I call this meeting of the City of Mountain Views Performing Arts Committee of Wednesday, May 20th, 2026, to order at 6.19 pm.

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Item number two is roll call.

Chair Donahue here.

Vice Chair Fenwick here.

Committee member Budwa here.

Committee member Chrome.

And committee member David is absence.

Is it approved absence?

Yes.

Okay, agenda item three, minutes approval.

3.1 minute approval.

Recommendation approved.

It's our attached.

Are there any comments or changes on the minutes?

They look fine to me.

Does anybody have any corrections or comments?

They'll find you.

Okay, prior meetings.

Do we have a second?

Um I just have one note in the my notes from last time.

That's slightly different in 7.1 and maybe.

Well, and we brought the work ban to this meeting, so I'll add that to the motion, uh correction.

I have a motion to approve the minutes with the amendment of noting adding make uh music day to next year's work plan.

I second that motion, yeah.

Okay, all in favor, aye.

Okay, the minutes are approved with the amendment using the lastly.

Okay, item number four, oral communications from the public.

This portion of the meeting is reserved for persons wishing to address the committee on any matter not on the agenda.

Speakers are limited to three minutes.

State law prohibits the committee from acting on non-agenda items.

Are there any comments from the any online?

One person in my phone, but no comment.

But no comment.

Okay, there being no comments from the public.

We will move on to the next item.

Five.

Unfinished business.

5.1, second stage vitality program.

Recommendation review the revisions from the last meeting to ensure they were captured correctly in the second stage vitality program information package.

And number two, review and approve or recommend revisions to the second stage program for a chart to be used by the pack for the application applicants for the program.

And we have attachments of the memo and information packet and the scoring page.

Would staff like to talk about the memo?

Sure.

Um it's kind of in the agenda, but briefly the recommendation.

Obviously, we made some revisions to it at the last meeting.

Um so I wanted to bring it back in front of you guys to make sure that we captured those correctly.

And then also this time we have the promised at the last meeting, the application scoring chart.

So we'll go through that in some detail and make any changes or revisions that you guys recommend.

And then the fiscal impact is kind of a repeat of what was at the last meeting that were intentionally to have a fee waiver program, resulting in an additional six weeks of second stage usage and only and these additional bookings are likely to or hope to attract new patrons thereby expanding the customer base and increasing visibility for other ticketed for time and six months, and then following this meeting.

Um we make these revisions and then with the application scoring chart, and then it will go to legal and then we go on the program.

Well, I'm happy to see it at this stage.

I've had at least version 17 in my yes.

That I to meet I hope is understandable.

I agree, but the ad hoc committee works very hard on this.

But Antara, you had um several comments last time, so I this isn't fifth marked, is it like uh um I didn't do that, and I apologize if you guys want me to do that in the future.

I can um the changes that I had were um on the fact sheet was um we needed to make it clear.

So I'm gonna say, maybe that would be a perfect question.

Could you walk us through the changes you did make?

Uh sure.

Because I was on the phone on a yeah, screen last time.

So fact sheet on page one, the um recommendation was um third paragraph that we weren't really clear clear um previously that they needed to pay for the labor and that there was a minimum labor, so um you'll see I added in all use of the second stage requires a minimum two stage hands on site at all times and one house manager present for all performances, um, and then above, you know, program support applies to venue rental only and does not include the labor or equipment expenses.

So is that on page one from the fact sheet third paragraph?

Oh okay, third paragraph.

So let me know if I captured that correctly.

I think the intention was that it wasn't clear in the last time that you were gonna have you were going to have to pay for something, you were gonna have to pay for labor.

And then that information is just available on the website formally, so you don't have to put it here, right?

The cost of the whatever the second stage, yes.

Okay.

Stage maps and house manager, that's all available.

Yeah, publicly already, yeah.

Yeah, okay.

The second change was under eligible, a little further down.

Uh we got rid of the um hyphen on the nonprofit, and then we pretty I don't know how it got in there, but we had one-time events and ongoing programs are ineligible, and that was struck completely because I don't know.

It was left over from something, um, and then ineligible, we changed the third sentence, fundraisers or projects offering direct support to individuals, families, or organizations.

It was just um the way that it was worded was kind of a and then the next one.

Is page six?

Uh under proof of insurance, second paragraph, uh, not required at time of application, and then we said see the insurance requirements on page 11 12, so that they and we added that in there so that they have a they know what the requirements are, so they know what to expect, and then on page seven, um, application was just application.

We added cover sheet, so it's um application cover sheet, and that was it.

Very good.

So we're passing a motion to approve it or.

We can or we can go to um we can approve this first.

Uh-huh.

You don't want to rush anybody?

Because I know Valerie was yeah, um, and then we can move to the application scoring chart, which one is true.

Do you have uh somewhere you need to go?

I don't know.

I just wasn't here last time, so I think if I had questions that I couldn't ask, I was here, but I couldn't ask.

It's accessing approval.

Maybe it makes more sense to go through the whole thing instead of being in sections.

That's fine.

I don't have any further questions on this part.

And the other thing is about this too is that first time applicants, which is everyone is going to be the first child, has to go to an orientation session to have things explained to them.

So this is our best shot at explaining everything.

At the time, it's well, there will be a session.

Could be could be tweaked in the future.

Well, and I think um, I know from staff's perspective, my intention is obviously we'll we'll launch this, and then once we go through one session, it'll be okay.

You know, this we had a sticking point here.

This wasn't clear, you know.

People have questions about this.

Okay, it'll come back to the from the workshop.

Yeah, like I got this question five times, so it must not be clear, yeah.

Maybe yeah, and then I guess for that workshop, just some member of whoever is applying.

It doesn't have to be um, it's not a resident company, so let's say pocket opera is not a resident company.

They could just send a representative to the workshop, they don't have to send like the list doesn't have to just it could be a person, yeah.

Because generally speaking, when it comes to this kind of stuff, that would not necessarily be artists, it would be the right choice.

We want someone probably run the budget, or you might want your development person to come or somebody else, so yeah, no problem there.

That's open.

Okay, that's great.

I think that's very that seems very clear to me.

Same thing, so then we can move on to the second stage vitality program application scoring chart.

Um, and it's basically follows you know what we have.

Um ask them to provide so organization background is worth 20 points, and we have mission, past experience, and project leadership, and then um I've described, so we have a across the top.

Excellent is six to seven points.

Satisfactory, three to five points, needs improvement points.

And so then I tried to differentiate for each one of these.

The mission statement, you know, excellent is the mission is clear, concise, and strongly aligned with the project requests, core values and goals are well articulated.

Um satisfactory mission is stated, but somewhat general connection to the project request is present, but not strongly articulated.

Needs improvement mission is unclear, missing or shows weak, no alignment with the project requests.

Do we want me to read these out loud or we don't just read through these?

I can ask questions as we go.

Either nothing's changed from last time, right?

You didn't see these.

Oh we just saw the breakdown of the points.

You saw that you so basically you saw the breakdown of you know what we're requiring of them.

Right.

But I didn't have the scoring.

I was trying to give you guys a break.

Okay, okay.

Let's let's do some minor changes on this, and then we can go through this in earnest.

Yeah, loud for online.

Okay, so past experience is number two, it's worth six points.

Um excellent is provide strong specific examples of relevant experience that clearly demonstrates the capacity to manage the proposed project.

This may include past projects, performances, programs, partnerships, etc.

And are clearly articulated.

Um transferable skills, leadership experience, or staff board expertise, newer organizations effectively show how the experience of key people, partners, or pilots, prototypes, prepares them to deliver the proposed work.

The intention there obviously is like this is a new program, and we're trying to get new folks to come in.

So they, you know, trend that's why the transferable skills, they may not have the exact skills, but they're telling in the what they're describing, how their current skills are going to be able to transfer to what they're trying to do.

Satisfactory is describes some relevant experience with basic details.

This may include limited past projects or emerging activities, as well as some transferable skills or partner capacity, overall capacity is suggested, but not fully demonstrated, or the connection between prior experience and the proposed project is somewhat general.

Needs improvement, provides limited or no relevant experience, examples, if any, are vague, not clearly connected to the proposed project, or do not demonstrate how the organization's or team skills and resources are sufficient to carry out the work.

Newer organizations do not clearly explain how they will draw in personnel, partners, or prior efforts to manage the project.

Project leadership with seven points.

Leadership structure is clearly defined, roles are well described and directly tied to the project needs.

Leaders qualifications show strong preparation to deliver the project.

Satisfactory leadership structure is defined but with limited detail, roles and qualifications are somewhat aligned with project needs, needs improvement, leadership structure is unclear or incomplete, roles and qualifications are poorly described or misaligned with project needs.

So we have five categories.

Excellent clearly describes event type, format, length, number of performances, and collaborators, uses relevant data to show why Mountain View needs this project and how it addresses identified gaps.

Satisfactory provides a basic project description with some reference to community need, limited or general data, connection to local needs is present, but not fully developed, needs improvement.

Project description is incomplete or vague, little to no data used, weak or unclear rationale for why Mountain View needs this project.

Number two, community awareness and benefits, worth five points.

Presents a thoughtful, feasible awareness strategy, marketing partnerships, events, etc.

Clearly articulates concrete benefits to residents, cultural education, and community cohesion.

Outlines general awareness method, satisfactory outlines general awareness methods and some community benefits.

Specifics and depth are limited.

Needs improvement, awareness strategies are minimal or unrealistic, community benefits or unclear, generic or not meaningfully addressed.

Okay, excuse me.

Can we take a breath here?

I mean, are there any comments in any of this so far i have a lot of information i have some but i wasn't sure if we want to go through this and then go to questions what we finish the section and then we can do these two sections how's that sounds good okay just want to make sure everybody has to get my pen quite all right um where was it number three or yes number three target demographic five points clearly identify uh identify specific audiences age cultural communities interest groups etc and shows understanding of their needs or interests satisfactory identifies a general audience with some specificity limited detail on needs or interests needs improvement little or no explanation of service to the community or broader region number five measuring success provides specific realistic indicators of success and clearly explains how their project will contribute to the broader silicone valley arts scene i e an each underserved audiences local artists partnerships in future work satisfactory mentions some success indicators and general contributions to the arts scene limited clarity on measurement and needs improvement lacks clear success measures contribute con contribution to the broader arts scene is not addressed or is very vague so we shall pause there and then if we have any comments or or revisions I have some clarifying questions yes um will these scoring chart be included with this packet so people know the importance fantastic my next question is in section a total 20 points so I know seven plus seven plus six is 14 is 20 14 plus six is 20 but the column pattern that says excellent is six to seven points can't apply to past experience correct so that might need a maybe shift the order so you can give a different point value I assume it would be five to six would be excellent it did that on three actually um on page three um no it's on the last one on D I actually did an X because I had a different number but just I can just add a different scoring yeah different up above it yes I think that's just that and like you may want to reorder however you want to format yeah but yes because one and three have the same score value.

If someone completely leaves this section out is zero points an option if they don't for example provide if they say we don't have a mission statement would that just be the lowest score you could get would be one point.

So to you guys I mean I've kind of left zero out of it just because I don't think that maybe I'm sorry I just felt like how do I say like zero is kind of almost like it's not really a score okay um I in my head I would think like if someone just completely doesn't do a section it's a zero it's a zero that's really up to the group but shouldn't it be one of those asterisk sections like mandatory I think they're not leave it empty they're all mandatory but yeah people could put an A.

You can you know you can have a website it says you to put something in you could put I don't have an answer for this and the website doesn't know better.

Okay.

I guess that would be up to committee if we want to say they didn't even try through points.

Okay.

Those are all my questions.

I hadn't thought about this Uh option.

It feels like to me, it feels harsh, like it would be just incomplete.

I think I might get something.

I guess I was coming from the perspective like if somebody just really didn't answer something, then your application's not going to move forward.

Because it's an incomplete application.

That makes a lot of sense.

So if they left fields blank, it would not come this, it probably wouldn't come this committee.

You'd say this this I mean I hope in the first iteration of this, you know, I would be calling on the phone going, did you forget box whatever?

You know, because it's incomplete.

That makes a lot of sense.

But if somebody's just like, I don't, I don't have any.

It's not gonna move forward.

Come back when you have it.

Yeah, exactly.

Okay, that makes a lot of sense that um especially maybe it especially makes sense that there'll be some opportunities for some training along the way.

That's all my questions.

No, I'm dead.

Okay.

I'm already at C.

Two.

Okay.

Now you know why I didn't do this all together.

I was afraid you guys would make too many changes to this, and then I would like back this up too.

So it's like, let's do it separate.

So C proposed project timeline and innovation worth 30 points in total.

Production event timeline is worth 10 points.

Excellent.

The timeline is complete, realistic, and includes rehearsals, technical rehearsals, performances, and post-show activities, if any satisfactory is the timeline is generally clear, but may um omit some stages or lack of detail.

Needs improvement.

The timeline is incomplete, unrealistic, or not provided.

Number two, goals, objectives, and benchmarks worth 10 points.

Goals and objectives are clear, realistic, and aligned with the project narrative, measurable benchmarks, performance, audience size, outreach, etc.

Are well defined and included clear plan for tracking.

Satisfactory goals and objectives are stated but somewhat broad.

Some benchmarks and tracking methods are mentioned but not fully developed.

Needs improvement.

Goals, goals and objectives are vague or not aligned.

Benchmarks are missing or not measurable, no clear tracking plan.

Number three, innovation in distinctiveness, worth 10 points.

Excellent.

Strongly articulates articulates what makes the project unique or new, creative approach, interdisciplinary work, new formats or engagement methods.

Clearly distinguishes it from existing offerings.

Satisfactory identifies some innovative or distinctive elements, but they are not fully explained or maybe similar to existing offerings.

So on uh excellent and number three, you've got creative approach and other things in parentheses.

Should you have IE or EG or something in there?

Because it looks like this is a complete list.

When it doesn't allow for their creativity in this response, I like that.

I have a question about um number three.

When it um when you say uh clearly distinguishes it from existing offerings, do you mean existing offerings in the world at large or at NVCPA?

The world at large, I would say strongly architecture what makes the project unique or new.

Clearly distinguishes it from existing offerings.

I did it as here.

I read it as here as well, as opposed to the world.

No, clarifying, I mean, the sting offerings, yeah, maybe on our second stage or specifically problem.

Well, at the center.

Yeah.

Yeah.

The center problem from existing offerings that puts the burden on them to do the scan of what's going on.

A small note that's most notably notable on this slide on this on C and others, although the problem is still there.

Um visual, like on C one, uh excellent.

The if starts to blend into the yes, so like, I noticed that.

It is on the other pages, that's just one where it almost makes sense, but may if we miss some stages, or it almost makes a sentence, so maybe across the board like a little big cell or something that's we need to put a little buffer between that, or yeah, oh that's a good suggestion.

You can just have a little very narrow cell.

Yeah, yeah, I drew a line because I almost read it.

I started I wanted to just keep yeah, it just keeps going to implement some like it just you want to keep going.

And I think most people will get it, it's just we'll not have a second.

Yeah, I'm not trying to make it hard.

Any other suggestions?

Yeah, okay.

Okay, D budget narrative.

So it total of 25 points.

Clarity of budget narrative is worth 15 points.

I'm missing HD.

We don't have two.

I have two.

That's why.

Oops.

Um, so clarity, but number one, clarity of budget narrative worth 15 points.

The budget narrative is clear, concise, and easy to understand.

It convincingly convincing convincingly explains how funds and resources will be used to achieve project goals, satisfactory.

The budget narrative is general, generally understandable, but lacks clarity or rationale for some expenses.

Needs improvement.

The budget narrative is confusing, incomplete, or does not explain how funds will be used.

Um number two, alignment that is worth 10 points.

Alignment with project budget form.

Excellent.

Narrative aligns fully with the numerical project budget form, categories and amounts match, and justifications are consistent.

Satisfactory minor discrepancies or unclear connections between narrative and budget form, and needs improvements, significant inconsistencies or mismatches between narrative and budget form difficult to reconcile.

I didn't want to say it doesn't exist.

Well, you know, it seems almost silly, but I mean it's just basically can you fill out this form?

You know, but it's kind of important to get the budget right.

Yeah, but it's and make it readable for you.

I guess that's it.

My question was because there's the numerical project budget form, but then there's also a narrative, which is fill out, but just describing how the money is used.

Um are there any points here for like they have budget for musicians or like it feels like uh I guess when I'm reading this, it's not clear.

Maybe we don't judge on this that if we give someone access to this program, or it's not if I go look at the topic of approaching at the same time, it would be more form, and Teresa is very um strong that this should be the poem.

So I think I think Valerie, if I hear you correctly, what I'm getting is what I think what I might have missed here is I don't have a ranking on the actual project budget.

We have a budget narrative because you're supposed to write a narrative that goes with this, right?

But I don't have a scoring of the actual budget template.

Like did you fill this out correctly?

And I'm kind of assuming I think we're and is that what you maybe you're looking for is like yes, and are is there anything where somebody's like, we think we can put this on if you let us use second stage for 200 um for us.

I guess maybe that goes into the needs improvement.

Okay.

If you think the budget's not realistic or that they can't identify a legitimate funding source or they have not previously fundraised, okay.

So way to clarify this alignment with project budget is to say on page 10.

To tie it into that, because they were like, Well, what I mean people forget, but they do a lot of things and they'll have a lot of forms.

And I think what you were saying earlier too, Theresa, that they should in this budget, we would expect to see the labor that they have to get from the facility as well.

But maybe worthwhile.

Just to recall out on the project budget on the template, essay, please include the house manager.

But we can put them as a um, we could add it in as a line item.

Is that what you're suggesting?

Yes.

And this is a non-negotiable.

Correct.

Correct.

That if they haven't filled that in, you'll have that would be a great time for you to call them and be like, hey, I hope you saw you have to pay for these people.

Yeah.

They aren't free.

Um, and this is how much they cost right now.

I think that's an excellent point because we're not going to remember the problem that they put down here.

Right, but if they don't include what we're also asking them to pay as mandatory, they might be like, what do you mean we need to give you $800?

Not in our budget.

Says it on page two of the form.

That way they know they have to at least have that much.

So we have to have at least that much.

Yeah.

So I assume that after this gets approved by PAC, you said it will go directly to council.

No, it'll go legal first.

Okay, so then we behave yourself.

I don't think there'll be too much here, but you know, you know, you know, there might be some you know verbiage that might get you.

I don't proceed to my last thing I sent to the G.

It's my legal stuff.

Trust me, that's a first for me.

I'll be public on.

Oh yeah, are there any public uh comments from the public?

Yeah, that's the I I did notice I noticed the uh the zero points, and I noticed the six versus seven thing, but there's one other thing that I noticed on page four.

Uh B1.

Um five points and ten points both fall into two of the category.

I mean it should be one to five, six to ten and eleven and fifteen.

That's the first one.

Oh, five and ten will be here is in some places.

Yeah.

Right, one one to five, but one to five, six to ten.

What do you probably think?

There we go.

That's that.

Okay.

Well, we're still online, but no, no, no, no, no, public.

Okay.

So any more discussion.

My only comments are is with those very small little tiny, it's been fixes.

I think it's very clear.

I hope, and I'm happy that like she'll find out what's not clear from the workshops.

And um then, but I think it's a great start.

It's much more clear than our old secret program.

So thank you, subcommittee and staff for doing.

Okay, so do we have a motion to group this tweaks?

Yes, I put forward a motion to approve with the little changes that were addressed five to ten to whatever.

What was the other one?

Oh, saying on page C, there was one about uh distinguishes it from existing often at MBCPA.

That's what I'm saying.

Mm-hmm.

Adding um separating my columns a little, yes.

And scoring on um page one under A.

The battery pot, and we had IE on C.

And then lastly putting in the budget of the in-house staff or whatever on the budget.

But the last one, the last one would be on the page check.

I'd like to second it since I worked on it.

That's allowed.

Okay.

Um all in favor.

Yes, it's unanimously.

Yay!

So now it goes to legal, finally.

Yay!

Big win.

Congratulations, everyone who works on this.

Not me, but great job.

Okay, oh.

Shuffling papers too much.

All righty.

Um moving on to 5.2 National Arts and Humanities Month Proclamation recommendation performing arts manager Theresa Ivan will provide an update on the National Arts and Humanities Month proclamation.

So I just wanted to let the group know because I know we have some new folks here.

Um typically every October, I well, back up.

October is national arts and Humanities Month.

And so we do a proclamation with the city council on an annual basis.

Um really what I'm um requesting from the group is um that I'm just gonna move forward and do that.

It doesn't the proclamation doesn't need to come before this body before it goes to the group, but um we did do uh video last time and then um I think Carol you came to one of the meetings when we when the proclamation happens so of course I will let you know when it is on the council agenda so that someone can be in attendance and be supported of council only read the proclamation yeah they usually do it the it passed all the first meeting and it's it's the National Arts and Humanities Council right well it's um it's through Americans for the arts and then it's national arts and humanities month but okay.

Americans for the arts is those lovely people that figure out our ancillary spending for our county so we like them a lot.

They actually have periodic uh webinars and things like that that can be interesting glad to check out their website they're a wealth of knowledge for the arts.

So I guess we need a motion to uh empower to move forward oh you don't oh you don't okay it's just been done before I know we've done it before but because it's it it's a proclamation with council it really isn't this part of reason um but I want to keep you informed so okay that was kind of I wouldn't I don't want to just like oh we're doing it again informational item informational okay okay moving along to thank you moving along to new business uh 6.1 fiscal year 26 2026 27 performing arts committee work plan right to get typo yeah right it's only one committee seven we're gonna three work on this we called it 2627 and then in the recommendation we called it 2526 oh I didn't read that I didn't are it's also we're only a singular committee oh boy that's what I was like we just fell off the map on that one we know what's meant we know what we're a recommendation review and approve the fiscal year 26 27 uh performing arts committee work plan to be forwarded to the city council for approval and the work plans attached and uh so and I left some of the things on here from last year um to be revised or or taken off I just wanted to make sure that everybody kind of had a chance to see what we had done.

Um I think it's also good to like go look at everything that we did.

So ongoing work items um in support of council priorities of livability and quality of life and economic vitality discuss options to diversify increase use of the Mountain View Center for the performing arts um continue collaborating with other city committees commissions and civic organizations started March 2025 to july 26 the visual arts downtown and performing arts committees respectively formed an ad hoc committees in our um and we go down we scheduled ad hoc meetings we had our first ad hoc committee um in July of 2025 and then we agreed that we wanted to host seasonal gallery recessions with artists on display in the MBCA lobby gallery.

And we successfully had our first gallery talk.

I think most of you were there with Don Hirschman on February 17th of 2026.

So for next year, we've actually already secured dates November 4th of 26 and January 27th of 27 for gallery talks.

November 26th and what no November 4th of 2026.

I made sure that.

So I guess for the group, what I would say is I'm not sure we need to keep all this other stuff that we did last year, but I wanted to leave it there so we can see what we did, and then we were successful.

That was my question.

No, we do not.

But yeah, it was nice to say we were successful.

I just didn't want to rip it all off of there before.

It took us a while to get this done.

And an ad hoc committee with three committees is its own.

Yes, we chose the members at the last meeting.

That's right.

And then I just have to get with the visual arts committee and the um downtown committee to determine who their new members are.

And then maybe they won't rotate, but I thought it would be good to work.

Yeah.

So it would be good to um for the ad hoc committee to figure out what was successful last year and come up with some talking points to possibly go out and get funding for refreshments or other things related with you know, to do with the gallery opening.

Last time somebody from the visual arts committee contacted several wineries and got donated for the evening.

So that was a lot fun.

Yeah, we didn't run out.

Yeah, so I mean, then there's food.

I mean, but um now that there's a history, there's something to talk about.

Like you know, we've successfully done this, and this is why you should donate stuff.

So is that like an agenda item for the ad hoc meeting?

It's I'm just just a suggestion.

I'm just talking from past experience.

I'm not gonna be involved in the next one.

Got it.

So I'm I'm encouraging them to ask for more than one.

Okay.

And you're down to the restaurant.

So my suggestion is um the first six boxes from 2526 can come off, and then um I would keep host seasonal gallery receptions with artists on display in the MBCPA pre-lobby.

And recycling it to gallery lobby, um, or lobby gallery.

What did I should call it?

Gallery talk.

No, in the I've I've we have a new name.

I've been I'm trying to be very consistent with how we refer to it, um lobby gallery, because it's a lobby first, and then it's a gallery, and then keep the 2627, keep the host seasonal receptions and then keep 26-27, and then we've already chosen.

If we are continuing our ad hoc committees with visual arts and downtown committees, I would leave that post the top.

I would leave those top three on and just change the different miles last own date.

Yeah, for 26 27.

There we go.

Sounds like yes, we are on the last being able to do vote.

I like that.

And then B is our annual resident company presentations um typically we um bring questions to the group that they want to ask the um resident companies so we send those out in advance so when they give their presentation to us here at our meeting um they have those questions and then they're pretty much required to answer the the questions that we ask um and then sometimes the order changes but it's upstage theater works we usually do one at each meeting so it's September October November and then we don't meet in December so that one doesn't really change other than the order and that and it only changes because maybe one of them's not available and and I just work with them to make sure that what month's gonna work for you and so that'll be later this year.

So is it really a presentation or a review?

Well it's their presentation to you guys you guys are reviewing them we want to reword it I well what do other people think with presentation a review sounds a little more formal and serious and also how it's worded in here so there's no proper presentation and answers questions from that so it just you know questions presented from Pope or presentation and questions presented from PAC on answers.

So resident companies present in answer questions right yeah you get all three things they create presentation they have to also submit and then report and then they also have to answer questions.

I'm not sure how to phrase that so it's all kind of there yeah just not in like one place has it been change annual resident company should it just be that yes and then resident company presents and answers questions from back that could be re related to their annual report something and we didn't have any problems last year everybody came with their information but just make sure it's all there resident company presents an annual review and answers questions from back.

Manual review and answers questions from very nice do we want to on the last one resident companies annual presentation to the pack do we want to make sure that we even need that to be honest.

Yeah right annual it's kind of repetitive to it is um we can say schedule yeah to be scheduled maybe it should say to be scheduled by end of year we have it down below but that's the general goal so we want all that by the end of it well this is a definite improvement because I think in the past there was no real structure or uh requirement.

Putting it in writing.

We started the questions.

Show up and see what they wanted.

Yes.

Well, maybe it's slides, but um in having um a list of questions that everybody has to answer season one.

Well, and it provided the committee an opportunity to get the answers to questions that they have had, and then the groups are prepared when they come to the meeting and so they're just answering asking the questions at the meeting, and they're like right there.

So page two quarterly impact report uh review, and that's what I provide you guys every quarter.

The review, the MBCPA client usage, patron attendance, and resulting ancillary spending in month.

That's my favorite part.

We do all right, so then this would be 26, 27 work items, review of the second stage reduced fee program.

So we're kind of we're kind of at the end of this one.

I mean, it can stay on there until it goes to council, but like that committee draft is the drop is completed.

See, I want to leave this on here because Paul's work with the we did present it to PAC and receive feedback.

We did that.

So we'll keep the present the final draft to the city council and conduct a public roundtable discussion to introduce the revised second stage program.

And since we talk in the bottom, we've got so the the first bullet point.

That actually will come off because we're past that.

It's already at the point where um uh you guys have approved it.

It's now this was last year's okay, so it's approved.

So it's the ad hoc committee.

We're done.

It's um, so we're really right here at ad hoc recommendations are presented to the back and receive feedback.

So that's done now, and then the other two will remain so until this is complete.

Okay.

Wait till September.

Well, they don't meet you don't meet in Ly and August.

Yeah, so we have to wait.

That's unfortunately.

We have any game for this.

And then uh number two, increase community connections, host round table discussions with the community ongoing.

This kind of came up last year, and just we didn't we didn't really ever, I think it's a it's a nice goal, but it's a lofty goal.

I think it would need I feel any either a specific like agenda where we would call the public in to say like a workshop almost.

Um for a special meeting or on a different date.

Um we do have done those four by B path to the specific project.

You can this a little bit different.

I think we as a committee want this input, but it's unclear how we get community here or somewhere else.

Like I saw some future ones on here, but maybe this year some of us go make some observations and figure out how to best in the art, but since we're seven, and then maybe that is a place to get some particular community, or farmers market, but we want input, but we're not sure how to get it, yeah.

It's very broad, yeah.

It's it kind of I wonder if more what we might even be well, the surveys are super useful, but like to figure out when we had like some folks of members of the public come here that were like wanting to like bring new types of program here.

Maybe that's second stage of the filization program.

For me, it feels like I'd like to know what we're missing, what community members were not hearing from, but I I it's a little vague how we put it on lucky.

Well, I met with David recently, and he was kind of thinking along the same lines.

Um I speak too much for him, but uh he thought that he thought of these round tables more as focus groups, but I don't know if we want to call them focus groups.

Um it's a recruitment tool and also to get a committee in various topics.

In my head, it's been a while since I've been to one.

They used to do these CNCs, council neighborhood committees, and pre-pandemic, um I haven't been like I don't think the count, I don't know, I've either missed them or they haven't come to my neighborhood recently, but they would have uh I know like when I was on bike B pack, they would say we get a member of B PAC to come and sit at a little table where we have like a little sign in a room where everybody already is to answer questions about the committee and let us know about it.

Um maybe this is more of a question that maybe Teresa, you could find out if those CNC discussions are still happening, if there's still options for tables, because that would be a way to go to different neighborhoods.

Like if we could get like I go to one, girl goes to one, but we you know, we spread it around, and you get to hear because they're the community, it's a usually an open, but nobody's ever been to one.

If the city council comes, not the whole council, it's usually two members, so they don't have a quorum or anything.

And maybe the city will talk about like here's how we're changing we're adding compost into your neighborhood.

Like they'll have a couple of presentations, and then you get to kind of just basically talk to city staff about questions and concerns about your neighborhood, your neighborhood schools, your community.

And I haven't, I'm not saying there has not been one, but I haven't been to one since before the pandemic, so I don't know if they're I did hear somebody mention on council that they were part of the council neighborhood committee.

Um so that there hadn't, but are they going to the neighborhoods?

Maybe that would be a more actionable way to see if we could have a little sit at a table with like these little things, like found view center and forming arts, and then just talk to people about our committee, maybe a little just something who goes in a box or something.

Keep it simple and start, and then you could hear from the communities because they're in the neighborhoods, yeah.

That would seem maybe actionable, then still be able to hear some people.

Yeah, I don't think that the council committee goes to every neighborhood every year.

They just pick a few.

Yes, I think you're right, but I haven't seen them since before the pandemic.

Does not mean they haven't come.

I haven't seen that my neighborhood's what's your neighborhood.

Rex Manor.

They call it Barley slash Rock Street or something.

They have a different name.

Um, we're Rex Manor and our city park on our street is called the Rex Manor top lot, so the city calls us something different.

So I asked them to call us what we call ourselves.

Rex manor slash mountain shadows.

Um they have had I went they had one after the pandemic in the Monoloma neighborhood, and I met for a while just to see what they do, and so I know they're still doing them.

I may have missed it.

Well, not your neighborhood, it wasn't mine either.

They may have done my name.

I don't want to accuse them of skipping my name.

We've done it, just maybe I was out of their plans.

Maybe I was out of town.

But that maybe we could insert ourselves as committee to some of those and get some.

I think that's on legislative legister who's on the um neighborhood committee and all that stuff.

And I think that they should have agenda items posted there where they're going.

I think you're probably right, but I think we would probably need assistance from Teresa to like, hey, can I have these committee members that are the table so that whoever's running it would be like by the way, we have some people from our forming art center committee here or because they usually have a couple in the past a couple tables of like here's somebody from the recenter or here's I've participated with them as a B pack number in the past.

Okay.

Do we want to leave this on here?

Um and let me find out about what's going on with community committees, and then we can change it.

Yeah.

I mean, this will come back to you guys, so yeah.

I think that would be that might be a way instead of us standing up our whole own thing.

At least as we dip our toes in just to back off.

As opposed to art and wine.

Oh no, art and wine is drinking wine is still that's another thing.

So it's like while we're working at team hall, yeah.

It's just like we need to stay as a group.

Oh, and then we're not there yet.

Oh, it's on page two, right?

Yeah, we're all jumping against the line.

Okay.

So we're good with that one.

Um so here's uh I know we have the um 35th anniversary celebration planning on here.

We had an ad hoc committee.

I'm gonna tell you that we picked a date in August and like having community round table discussions, like I don't have time.

Okay, we gotta go.

You guys already have a we do, and and it's tomorrow as far as we're concerned, so I gotta rock and roll.

Right, right.

So I oh I see you're saying we not to the prior item where maybe we could get on the coattails of council neighborhood committee as a something that's already established that we can just water into, maybe, yeah, but you're saying hosting round table discussions is not gonna be able to be possible in August.

In January, anniversary, we're supposed to happen in January because the anniversary is in August.

Correct.

It won't happen and we it will not happen for August.

That makes a lot.

Didn't happen.

Not going to happen.

We're May now.

August is tomorrow.

Oh my gosh.

Yes.

It is, it really is.

Um, so then number three on page three is the review of Art and Wine Festival in September of 26.

Um, observations or for suggestions on how best to participate in upcoming years and schedule ad hoc committee meeting to discuss participation in the festival for future years.

Yeah, the date.

So I feel like we didn't really achieve much with the with this discussion last time.

All we found was like that the free speech area is like way out there, and we don't it doesn't make sense for us to be there because we're still open, and then you have said you didn't want to just the lobby open because it would just become one public bathroom.

And so I mean it's kind of one of those like how do I say this?

It's like if we could do something in the middle, so how do I say I went to Peter the chamber and was like, hey, well, you know, what if we did something, you know, can we do something?

Can we be part of this?

And he's like, you're right there.

But historically, what I've been told is every time we try and do something in the lobby or have tours or whatever, that doesn't really happen.

Right.

It just becomes a giant restroom because nobody wants to go to porn a potties.

Um, so I don't I don't know how to is there anything happening in like the quad in front of our like space during the festival like yes.

The plaza's full.

With what?

With like all the vendors?

That's where the band is.

The band is there.

Okay.

Yeah.

And then typically I'd have to look at our calendar.

Do we have Smeon this year on top of the art and wine festival?

I'd have to look at our calendar but we try to not put people on that weekend but I know that Smeon Ballet um is probably the is is our one organization that would be able to sit on yeah that weekend and personal anybody that's small I go I want it you don't want to compete with it.

Yeah yeah um but they have seasoned subscribers and them and theater works with yeah but I think what's all that's on here is or committee members which could be anybody make some observations Number 12th and 13th dates and then come to our October 2026 meeting and consider forming ad hoc committee what enter is trying to say is we kind of did this last year.

And like not that we can't do it again unless you know but there were no big light bulbs that went off and was like we should do I didn't I wasn't able to make last year's park wine festival so I'm gonna raise my hand to try to go this year.

So yeah.

I honestly it's almost in my opinion it's kind of one of those because everybody is out in the festival it would cost us but it seems to make more sense that we would be part of the booth and and and maybe far away from us to just tell people that's us right there.

Because I feel like with the plaza being completely engaged and the band there and there's a lot of dancing there's a lot going on on our front porch right then it makes it really hard to have something going on inside and I think this year we actually have client so we can't be inside we do.

We do yeah we we do what I'm trying to understand is like what are we trying to achieve with our presence at the art and wine festival are we like literally just like handing these out and saying hey look guys we exist.

This is kind of a holdover from previous committee members and I think the intention was that you know the art and wine festival gets 30 thousand people in downtown and hello over right here but like the hello I think is the hard part like exactly what you're saying like okay what do we have a booth and we can have flyers or you know what would that look like and if I recall last year too when we were talking about this it was like August and there was like no opportunity for us to get in with the community community services I think does a tabling area outside of the free speech area I I didn't make it last year but free speech area is really far no on the VPAC I did sit we could take turns as committee members too time no more than that so we didn't accidentally have a meeting where we sat at a booth and talked about bicycle and pad projects coming up about the committee in the community service area it wasn't I don't know what the free speech area is I didn't think community service area in the free speech area were right next to each other and it was it's very it was very like separate around the corner of the rest of so when I did it last time it was like right off of where the last it was like where the vendors are in the middle of the street when I had done it community service area was like right there right there it was like it's an area less traveled less traveled but it was like right on so when people would be like turning to go the other direction they're like oh what is this?

We had a lot of we had a lot of traffic, but if it's really far or awkward or if you have to go down an alley, that's the same.

Well, the only way to make it work, I think would be to have an activity or you know, and so I mean, what would that be?

Um, will there be?

I've had it fog in my throat all the way.

Will there be extra stuff, chatch keys left over from the 35th anniversary?

I mean, the thing we're promoting this year, it's 35th anniversary, and possibly some wonderful event in January, uh, and the gallery walk, two gallery walks coming up.

So those are things to talk about, but you still need stuff, I think.

Draw the eyes.

Would we want to like you said promote this is our 35th year and just hand out like a a full year season, one of these, like rather than just a September, October one.

But assuming like these 30,000 people aren't always coming to NBCPA, so it's like their one chance our one chance to show them like look how much cool programming we have all year round, you know, like at a glass.

I think a QR code.

I think people don't want to carry.

I think a QR code is then expecting them to go home and do it.

No, do it right now.

That could be a little bit of both, having some physical things, have color.

Like this one is very like eye drawing.

Right.

Um, the specific one draws the eyes, and then if they're like, well, I don't want to carry that around.

Oh, well, we have a QR code.

Um, I think maybe not this year, but um, but like what's on the work plan for 2026 is right now just to make some observations.

And I I feel that seems doable.

We have to make observations this year and not necessarily participate this year unless Teresa hears of some fantastic opportunity that have to be part of.

We have to be part of, or or perhaps like one of the city managers or assistant city manager will come and say, hey, we have this thing we're doing, and we're looking for committee members to come, but you could tie us into that, but otherwise this year the ask is to make additional observations and thoughts, which seems it's good.

I need to be introduced, so it's good to but I don't think the suggestion is this year for us to do anything on a table unless an opportunity presents itself.

Yeah, I agree.

With the 35th anniversary coming up in August, I don't think we're just looking to plan something immediately on the coattails.

Thank you.

We should make some observations, walk around, maybe maybe buttons.

I've seen some, but you know how about I've seen some people on some of the committee, they can make themselves little badges that'll say like their name and their committee.

Well, I just go to events or like your son has.

Well, I wore you guys badges.

I wore uh my badge last night to the state of the city, which I got from the celebration of service that says my name and Firming Arts Committee, and it's got the city seal on it.

I never got one of those, and it got it all kinds of comments and people were asking me what's going on.

You know, it's like this walking advertisement.

So um from a little badge, and I ran into uh Amanda Rochella from Economic Development was with one of the booths, and she said, Where'd you get that badge?

I didn't get a badge, and I said, Well, I just keep it.

She said everybody should keep it.

How come our downtown committee doesn't have that?

And I said, Well, they did, but I mean the point is that the badges, whether you make them yourself or not, uh are a talking point.

And you know, I really firmly believe that we're all ambassadors for the center, and having some wearing a badge and having people ask me is much more likely to happen than me say, Oh, hey, let me tell you all about the performing arts center.

Does that mean when I come to watch a show here, I should wear a badge?

I'm just trying to understand the I think you're a staff and I'll get questions that I have like I don't know.

No, when you're but when you're not at the center, you and you're you know, out at some public event.

That's a whole side conversation.

I'm just you know, saying what happened to me support badges yay badges but then the other open thing is this make music day that we've been talking about so I did have a conversation with the San Jose uh staff person who wasn't are we getting to commit comments off the sport plan?

Well I mean does it fit in here anywhere?

Well that was the suggestion to add it to the work plan this year if if that's what the committee want yes I don't need to add it you would like to add it to the committee to the committee work plan.

Alrighty at least to talk about make music day before it's happening yeah well I mean it's not gonna happen till next year right yeah so having on the work plan we've been talking about the art and wine festival for two years we could talk about we don't need to get in a ration right put it on the work plan.

Now you know why I left some of that stuff on there look what we did do though we did these like really like I would be supportive of adding make music day to our work oh my gosh and when is make music day it's always on the summer songs June 21st this year it's on father's day.

So maybe we would want to start talking about it in the fall because June will be here June 20 2027 will be here before we know it.

Yeah.

Well it's a six twenty plan.

What was that?

And that's 26 27 work plan.

So yeah the city fiscal year runs to the end of June so there we go.

Yes I'm all said to let go of that idea.

I'm thrilled I'm thrilled oh I thought you were gonna give us a report like a committee report from something you learned about make music.

Well I could do that but I don't have to it can be on the agenda.

Before December I can tell you what I've learned.

Sorry just I think whatever agenda item seven is committee reports.

As opposed to what we're putting around well I think right.

We're probably not putting on the work plan so we maybe do something with it.

So did we make a motion to add that to the work plan?

So okay so the work are we gonna see this before you forward it to council of course that's why it's here in front of you now.

Exactly so it was a really good council where we will look at all this stuff that's been incorporated.

We so vote on that.

So I've got make music day do we have some key milestones that we want to like do we want to observe?

Do we want to plan do we you know so it sounds like 2026 observe some making music day somebody go to San Jose is there any other city like smaller city in the area that does there's a they're all over the place.

No no I mean like aside from San Jose like is all over and nearby how do we find out what we are oh I'm curious about the smaller cities because I think we've discussed this where like San Jose at the big city and following their model isn't even so like no I'd want to know like what did Lasc do to do make music day kind of thing this is theirs but if you go to the larger make me do you have one of these um if you go to the larger make music day you can put in other communities.

Yeah.

Okay.

And they and they'll have a map just like San I mean San Jose's is big but they'll have a they'll have a map.

Was it always it wasn't always that's true.

It wasn't it started out very small.

I would love to hear whatever information you do have about music day because that might help us set as Teresa has suggested timelines for it.

Is this the appropriate time to talk about that?

I don't have timelines because to tell you the truth, based on our previous discussions, I had little expectation that this would move forward.

So I didn't really overthink it.

Um but I mean I think that's great.

Um this is something I think that would be also good to collaborate with other committees if we think last I mean downtown committees seems the yeah the obvious one, yeah.

So uh and I think they'd be willing to do that.

So I would say that one of the milestones would be to form an ad hoc committee with the downtown committee.

Yeah, yeah.

So we want to instead of making make music day like a completely separate where did we wanna put that?

We know because the current ad hoc is three committees.

I don't know if we need visual arts, probably not, yeah.

I'm just trying to figure it's not an ongoing work item, it's a new work item, but it feels like it goes under in support of council priorities of those building quality of life, you know, that it belongs to them.

So okay, you know what I mean?

Okay, because initially last time we talked about including it in um increased community connections, but I think what you're saying makes more sense.

It does because that makes it a council.

Ah, okay, yes.

So right now what I've got is make music day under um uh ongoing work items in support of council priorities, observe 2027.

And 26, 2026.

Well, 2026, the event is gonna happen before this work plan goes to council.

Oh, okay.

So, and then I'm gonna say um ad hoc.

But downtown.

Do you have to put a date in when you say observe or just say observe other communities make music days?

Something like that.

Yeah, we could just say observe other communities, yeah.

Outside of the big cities in California, Auburn is having an Irish session, which will have to ask Burgery outside the patio, that would be joy's dance thing, and then Indio, California is having an instrument fitting booth, it's open money.

Oh, I used to do that with the stock.

I was gonna say, what the heck's a betting suit and the instrument patting zoo I should use the Stockton Symphony.

So we would have instruments there for kids to actually play, so that we'd have clarinet and flute, and you know, there'd be a person that would use the read for the kids, and the kids would get to touch and play with the instruments and then go in to the performance.

Oh, instrument pettings, instrument petting zoo.

Yes, I missed.

No, like they get to actually play with the oh, that makes more sense.

So members usually and usually with the symphony they they had a um like a high school group that would work with the symphony, and so it was the high schoolers that would do because it was for little words.

Okay, okay, so they would have to high school would come and have like five or six kids, and and you would get like bunches of kids that would be like oh for I don't know.

No, it's great fun.

We did it for Peter and the Wolf.

It's great fun.

We're Peter Chaffee.

Okay, so did we learn something?

I'm sorry, I was confused.

I thought we were moving on to the committee comments.

Sorry.

Should we learn something?

Interesting for us.

Well, as far as Make Music day goes, it was very small in San Jose to begin with.

It was on A Plaza downtown, and that was it, and it just expanded throughout the neighborhoods because it's just it's it's just kind of had a ripple effect.

It just kind of caught on.

People liked it and said, Yeah, I mean, I can play.

I mean, there are a lot of musicians in uh Mountain View.

Have you ever been to a Bub uh park concert?

No.

I'll have to send you the schedule.

It's um they do charge a cover, but there are different bands um throughout the summer.

On I think it's Saturday night comments from the public.

Yeah, I can do that with the public.

Yeah.

I have all kinds of things about this whole conversation.

Yeah, so the yeah, there was it was on last Saturday night.

It uh it was six o'clock, and there's a band that plays in Bob Park, and it's an optional donation to the directly to the um the performers.

So like all the money goes to the performance.

Um yeah, it was there was a um uh like a jazz trio and the and then the focus that actually she did most of the songs that we only did for the sponsors.

Um that that's great, and the council neighborhoods committee does still exist.

It was meeting they had last Thursday night at the high school for the grant solarly and the names of the neighborhoods are from the Census Bureau.

The boundaries and the names come from the Census Bureau.

Oh, their census tracts, and um yeah, so John McAllister is the chair, Walter or other two people, and they are great because they answer all the questions you have about trash pickup and of course traffic is always a huge thing, and they're like, Well, what about the police thing here?

Can't you stop speeders on Grant Road?

And like because everybody from the city, not everybody, but um, you know, there's representatives from all the different departments and um the resources was there with the students there, and um yeah, those are great, and uh yeah, just I I've been accumulating all these comments all the time.

I'm a big process guy, and I know this seems kind of informal, but I I feel that I just it was supposed to inspect the process, so uh I I made my own my own name badge.

I'm David, I'm on the EBC, but I know spent a few dollars, I don't think so.

Anyway, send me a link.

I'm not gonna have to get the batch feed.

Okay.

Okay, we'll be bringing the work plan back.

Yes.

And that one's the party, right?

Yes.

Are we at presentations?

Trying to keep us on the track here, folks.

Okay, but don't we don't have any questions to uh bring it up to bring it back and uh okay to do we have a motion to um yes I accept this with the thing because that's I just had a clarifying question.

Well, this be going if uh wait, hold on.

Our next meeting after today is August 19th.

This will not have gone to city council before August.

Fantastic.

That answers that question.

This is early, it doesn't usually go in front of you guys, but because of what we're doing, thank you.

So we better do it now.

Thank you so much.

Yes, I I move to fix up this with the I second that motion.

It should be could be presented again.

Yes, to be seen.

Okay, we have a motion, we have a second.

All in favor say aye.

Aye.

Okay, passes unanimously.

Perfect.

Okay.

We have presentations.

Okay, item seven is a presentation.

There are nine.

Oh, no, there'd be something under this.

Oh, as an oh, yeah, okay, moving along to number eight.

Items.

There's nothing under there.

Okay, moving along.

Nine.

Committee, staff announcements, updates, requests, and committee reports.

No action will be taken on questions raised by the committee at this time.

I do have a question.

This is when I can ask my question.

Um, I noticed our Instagram is like kind of dead.

Yes.

Nobody's posted anything on it since 24.

So who does that?

And is there a way?

Our new marketing person that it's being big fingerprinted and background checked as we speak.

Okay, okay.

So it kind of like got okay.

So that's that nice.

We haven't forgotten it.

All right, thank you.

We just didn't have a human.

We were trying to like pass it around.

I think the ball family just got dropped.

It was pop the days.

Okay, cool.

We just didn't have enough humans.

So, um staff announcement.

So I did want to ask the body work.

Obviously, everybody's coming to the volunteer appreciation dinner.

Which is next month's meeting time, yes.

Yeah, yeah.

I am not sure.

That's also turns out the taste of mountain view day.

Yes, it is.

So I am not sure.

Okay, I won't get back to you.

Okay.

Um so then my question was um, do are we good with not having a meeting and all being at the dinner, or do we want to have special meetings?

The workers.

The only thing we have would be the work on the topics on there?

Yeah, I don't think so.

Are we doing anything for like the 35th, like us as a committee?

Because then the next time we meet, it's gonna end up being August, which is which is before the 35th.

Yeah, the day before.

Okay.

Um that's a good question.

Like what is happening that day?

Well, it's a little awkward because um I can't plan too much because the budget hasn't been approved.

Okay, and that doesn't get approved until June.

So I'm kind of we want to try to meet later in June.

I mean we'll night wood.

So maybe we might then have topics, and if you don't have topics, then we cancel.

We could do that.

Yeah.

So if we have a quorum at the dinner, does that constitute?

No, because you're at a dinner, you guys just can't all sit together.

Okay, just clarifying that we so you're sitting discuss business.

You know, we can sit together, we just can't talk.

No, you should you shouldn't have three of you sitting together just for appearance purposes.

It isn't like you can't sit together, but definitely no talking.

No talking about that.

It looks better if there isn't three.

Okay, and there's plenty of ushers and folks.

We'll have a badge.

We should bring the batch.

You'll have a badge.

I will introduce you.

Okay, so I mean we can add a junior.

So yeah, you're suggesting maybe the 24th of June.

That looks for me.

The following Wednesday.

Yeah, I don't think it conflicts, but VPAC also meets at that time, but I think they're upstairs.

I would maybe move our haircut, but that's well, that's it's really it is unfortunate.

I hate doing it.

So do we want to do June 24th at 6 15?

And then I'll see if this room's available.

And if we don't have topics, you can tell us we don't have topics.

Well, because it'll be a special meeting, we only need to um notice 24 hours so we can we can date and make sure that's for dinner.

We are having um Armadillo Willy's so there's a variety of and that's also at 6 15 um reception starts at 60% um do you know that the volunteers are older so they'll be there funny early okay um all right and then um so we do kind of a reception meet and greet in the lobby and then we go inside for presentations and we give awards that get okay most hours and all amazing many long hours and then yeah we have some people that are just really seriously that's education yeah you know we can alter this at 200 and some cost um and then we'll uh after the presentations are over with them we'll have the stage and have to stage oh that's cool that's funny it's a very nice who ushers the usher event we let them usher themselves and then um staff and our house manager so basically serve stuff so it is a lovely any other announcements I mean that was just ready to go already so we started talking earlier I also attended come for away um opening weekend the first Friday I think incredible but also packed um and uh just uh it was so good to see a packed theater I really enjoyed that and there was also a standing revolution that night so it was it felt really good I was very proud of theater works and everything they found and I saw their lead actress was not one of their equity performers and that was awesome.

One of the leaves I know kind of bounces around but um that was it was really impressive so good to see it and I missed the um upstage theater production of little women but I hear it was fantastic yeah um this is also my first theater works production can't believe I've lived here 10 years and watch a single one of their shows so I'm a huge fan I'm like wow this is really high quality stuff I felt really proud that I was center has a high quality stuff we're closing yeah the season closer right like there is their season done though there this season yes yeah yeah speaking of closing yes I close the May 20th uh preferring arts committee meeting at seven