And if we do a roll call.

Yes.

I will do the roll call.

Are we online yet?

Okay, great.

Um so uh chair who's mouth.

Vice Chair Bonte.

Okay, member of Lang present.

Member Barton, absent, member Stone, absolutely.

We have a forum.

With that, we will move on to find out the oral communication.

Public this portion be reserved for personal switching to address the committee on any matter not on the agenda.

Speakers will be limited to three minutes.

State law prohibits the committee from acting on non-agenda items.

Do we have any members of the public in the room?

Please come to the lecture.

But I need to, we need to have figure out how to unshare this property.

Well, she need to see it.

Yeah.

I'm a secondary room.

Okay.

I may not share.

I think we're talking.

Sorry about this.

I think you're taking it for three minutes.

No, no, we're not, we haven't started timing you yet.

I do have to see it too.

So I want to make sure that everything's set up promptly anyways.

There it is.

Awesome.

Okay.

So I think we just do it that way, right?

Go ahead.

Hi, I'm Becky Wright, a 30 plus year mountain view, and I love riding my bike and I'm very happy that you all are serving on this committee.

But tonight what I really wanted to say was thank you for whatever input you had on the shoreline bicycle head for past instructions.

Now that since I live over in Rex Manor, I take those paths and they have been bumpy forever and ever and horrible and I'm just so thrilled that that work actually taking place.

And so what for whatever part you all had in it to advocate for bicycles and pedestrians, I thank you very much.

Thank you.

Do we have any members of the public online?

You can raise your hand or press star nine on the phone if you want to speak.

No with that we'll move to item four of the consent calendar questions.

Otherwise it's just the meeting minutes.

Does anyone want to pull anything from the consent calendar?

No.

Okay.

Do we have any public comment on the sent calendar?

I assume no one in the room.

Do we have anyone online?

Comment all right.

A motion to approve the consent calendar would be in order.

I move that to approve the console cat on there.

Did click on it?

Yeah, I think I'm sorry.

So it and member one seconded.

Uh all in favor, aye.

That passes unanimous unanimously with the three present here.

So I'm not sure.

Okay.

That moves us to item.

There's no one finished minutes since there's just item 6.1 active transportation collision reports and I believe we have a presenter from.

This is Lieutenant Goff from the department, and you have a presentation use, right?

Oh, you have it up, thank you.

As in the past, we've compiled the questions and used the prime analyst.

So the first one was part of the problem with our uh dashboard.

So one of the questions was about it was there was an answer for null.

It was our RIMS database.

Our current report writing system is uh RIMS and the data that transfers over is not uh working well, so that's been fixed on the dashboard.

Did you um say what the acronym is PCF for members of the public?

Sorry.

Uh PCF is primary collision factor, which is what is the cause of the accident.

So what we attribute the primary cause of the the collision.

Sorry, and go to the next one.

Uh, using the dashboard as an example.

Could MVPD provide PCF by type of vehicle, primary collision factor by type of vehicle?

Since wrong way is only shown for vehicles versus bicycles, and based on observations, I would assume the bikes were the wrong way, but it'd be good to have the actual data.

And uh the analyst said that we can add that as recommendation for future iterations of the dashboard, and I think I'm probably repeating myself from the last time I was here, but our crossroads report writing software.

We're still working out the kinks.

We're hoping to have that all turned on on July 1st.

So there has been a lot of I'm not checked savvy, so there's a lot of coding and language that needs to talk to each other.

Our RMS system, the record maintenance system is how we keep track of all of our contacts, and cross roads is having language, digital language issues with the providing that information.

So we're hoping that turns on on July 1st, and then a lot more of our analytics will be available and it'll be a lot better information.

So uh we go to the next one.

The dashboard related to bikes does MVPD have a breakdown on the type of bikes, regular class one to three electric and motos, and we don't, and that's mainly due to the fact that the CHP collision form does not, it up until recently it did not have a category for those different vehicle types.

So the crossroads software is gonna include this, and CHP has their iterations of the format change every year, and they've added uh GoPeds like electric go pin.

They've added a category for uh one-wheel motorized boards, so we're able we're gonna be able to better analyze all that data going forward, but we're continuously getting new forms from CHP, including uh self-driving, which is categories now for self-driving, so all that data will going forward be available for us to pull from.

Part of it too is the education for our officers on the class one to three.

That's not an easy thing to comprehend.

And we have we're sending an officer, so officer Hammond who's been here before I presented is going to a 40-hour e-device class to become an instructor.

We're gonna stand up a pretty significant uh e-device class that we're gonna do town halls, we're gonna do schools.

Uh, we're really starting to push forward on the schools.

We're trying to get permits for the kids to be able to bring their bikes or e-bikes to school, and at the same time prohibit e motorcycles from coming to school.

So, that's all going forward.

That's the stuff that we're in, it's working the process.

So next question.

Uh, what is MVPD doing to educate or enforced not writing it wrong way?

So, this mainly stems or starts with our schools, so our school resource officers and our motor officers conduct uh bicycle education bike rodeos with safe routes.

We're working on that, we're trying to coordinate with them.

It's a partnership with them where we participate in their program.

Uh that along with heavy enforcement the first week of school at the intersections.

Majority of the kids are riding through.

Uh, other than that, adults, honestly, we don't really usually it's more of like a motor officer with a PA getting on their PA speaker and telling them you're on the wrong side of the road.

Uh I can't think of any times where we've been writing citations for that, but it's usually verbal point.

Uh how many traffic tickets have been issued to bikes, scooters, hoverboards for running red lights, etc.

stats for the last six months.

Again, this is not, we don't have a method for dividing the driver type on a citation.

It's handwritten in that it's a bicycle instead of a car, so that box is not populated into our data tracking system.

The new crossroads e-tickets that we're going to be getting, we're gonna go away from paper tickets, e-tickets, and that has a category for bicyclists or every every different kind of category pedestrian driver, bicyclist.

So that will allow us to track that data better for that.

I know that we have written, I've personally written red light tickets uh to bicyclist on uh our targeted bicycle enforcement days.

We're working for her, and usually that's usually the kids at the schools, but that was an adult though, so I can't give an exact number of how many.

And do we have statistics on the overall number of traffic collisions for minor major injuries and deaths with the past several years?

Uh, this is what we're able to pull from our OTS office of traffic safety data that we've reported for the last three years.

Uh there is some.

If you look at the dashboard, there's probably some conflict in the fatals.

We don't report fatal accidents that happen on private property, and we've had a couple of those.

One in particular was in the Walmart parking lot on foggy day.

Somebody was covered in a black blanket and was hit in the parking lot.

So the RMS, uh the record maintenance system data may show a fatal, but it's a fatal for vehicle collision, but it's not on a roadway, and so we don't report that on a CHP form.

So you may see a number that says three for uh 2023.

I think the data said three, but it was really two that occurred on the roadway.

And then just an update on our e-bike safety.

Like I was saying, uh, they've recently developed a class for police officers.

It's a 40 hour class.

They just basically inundated everything that's e-device related.

And it teaches the uh student how to put together their own program for the police department.

Huntington Beach is kind of spearheaded this, they developed the program.

So Officer Hammond will be going to that.

He'll be coming back and partnering school resource officers to put together a fairly significant class.

It'll probably be it'll coincide with uh the juvenile diversion.

So we'll issue juvenile division diversion tickets to the juveniles who are riding without helmets right in the wrong way.

Then they'll be required to come to a class with their parents.

Same thing with the E the E-devices, and the plan is to have uh town halls and required training, a couple of questions that come up with.

Do you have other questions?

Some of them were kind of together, kind of long, longer question.

You know, these implementations of these uh tickets, you know, for teachings only to children.

I mean, have you considered it for seniors also?

We senior citizens, I see uh, especially a lot of them from different countries.

We can speak English, you know, they just go the other way, and then you know, and then I'll add that how you guys can really, you know, teach them.

So that I mean they're seniors too.

They're gonna, you know, if I get into an accident, I don't know where we go.

So on the adult, so the category for that type of stuff.

There's a we have a program called Live 25.

So that's one avenue where anybody who's on the roadway and commits a violation if they're under 25, we can send them to the lab 20 program, live 25 program.

That's an online class requirement where if they complete that, then this the citation doesn't get submitted to the court.

But that's within the constraints of the age, and we don't we don't have anything for uh senior citizens for that.

That would probably be more of a warning, and so the new the new e IC e-citations will have a warning option also.

So we don't we have written warning tickets, but I don't think anybody uses them.

So it's usually they get a ticket or they just get a verbal warning.

With the new system, we'll be able to enter it as a warning in the system.

It will track that that person's been given a warning and it'll go into our record maintenance system so that if we check them, we'll find out that they've already got a warrant for that.

But as far as an education, there's not something that would we can offer our bandit for that.

That's fine.

Any other questions?

All right.

I had a couple, I just realized at least one of ten that I asked in this didn's since you get made it through.

So um, but actually, first related to what you're just mentioning, will the, will Officer Hammond's uh e-device instruction coordinate with our safe routes at school or any other things involved interacting with the students at our school with regards to active transportation.

So as if those classes are held that the micro radios are held prior to September, we the first as soon as we can get them into the class in September.

He's already kind of spearheading all of the so all the brochures that we put out recently, the social media push that we've been doing, he created those and he's been running that program.

So he will be having additional training to do that.

If the safe routes, bike rodeos are occur before that, it'll be him that's participating.

He just won't have that class on response where he's created the whole program yet.

That's good.

I think the thing I'm more asking about just in general, like I don't want, for instance, to in depth with brochures going out if you say one thing from the MVPD and then our safe route to school program putting out a brochure that says a slightly different thing that might confuse people or about problems.

Is there coordination going on?

We have a meeting with them.

Okay.

So we shouldn't show that.

But we do have a meeting with them on July.

Okay.

That's to kick off our new contract.

Oh, with the state process school.

Oops.

Okay.

Or the consultants, yeah.

Um, I think I had a couple questions in mind about tracking uh stolen bikes.

I saw on the transparency dashboard that it looked like some had there's maybe a reduction this year, and I had trouble telling if that was a real reduction or just it varies a lot, and so maybe I should be maybe into it.

Do you have any I looked at the dashboard?

It did look it started out high, yeah, and then it looked like it trended a lot lower.

Yeah.

Um I don't have the data from that.

There's not a I couldn't get into that data.

Okay.

So but the numbers, the total numbers I can access.

Uh if the question was which bikes are being stalled more often, it's in my just in my experience as I'm seeing stuff come out, it's more almost 100% E the e-bikes.

The context of that, right?

Is the rate of bike death trending up, trending down?

Is it something that we should be worried about?

Should we be should we be paying more attention to providing secure bike parking or is it that things are actually working fine for most people and that there is albeit with some always persistently um uh that and so it's that's something where I I don't know if I should be reading too much into the statistics, so that that's where I'm coming at.

The statistics I believe are accurate, and it showed to me it was a significant reduction across the last four four or five months.

The beginning of the year was it was higher.

January was higher.

But you do think it's it's focused more on the bikes in the last couple years.

Yes, okay.

And we had I think we had a fairly significant arrest recently for somebody who was going into garages.

I don't know if I could push to it yet, but I know our detective's reporting.

Do we have any other so I I have one talking about the code operation, making sure that's uh, you know, say brought to school and MPKD has the same message.

Is there coordination?

No seconds, uh, because there are thousands of kids on month and you go to school in Los Angeles, stuck outside, uh multi-view kids have students.

Okay, you know, that could be confusing for um to your defense stories.

I'd be you know, guys don't uh just in charge, so I'm not sure if Los Altos has safe routes program.

They have one, I'm not sure if it says, and we've been in talks with them to make sure that our safe routes programs are coordinated.

Um, but for I don't know if the PD is talking to PD.

So I know they don't have school resource officers.

I know our school resource officers help the city with uh the school.

I'm not sure if they're in coordination with safe routes for Los Alpes.

Right, between developments, I mean like you know, like sharing results is all threatening.

I couldn't speak to, I don't know.

That would probably be the school resource sergeant, would be able to answer that what their participation is at Los Altos.

We can follow up.

Yeah.

Just uh, you know, I know jaywalking's permissible.

It's J5ing permissible, I think.

Uh so the way that reads is if there is a collision caused by J blocking, if the primary collision factor is jet blocking, then we can attribute it to that violation, but peace officers are not able to stop people who are jaywalking.

We're prohibited from doing that out.

Right.

So any of it, if you're in the street, it's it's it's an unclear section.

It's got to be the way it's defined is the if the person in the roadway is a hazard to passing traffic, then it's it's a violation.

But if they're crossing it and they're not causing the car to slow down or swerve or anything like that, then it's not a violation.

We're not able to stop.

Yeah, I mean these bikers sometimes they just think that they're you know they're all that, and so then they could just pass so fast and but not as careful as some.

So if a bicyclist is operating the bike in an unsafe way, the vehicle code does allow for them to be stopped for a violation.

If they're making an unsafe lane change, just like a car would, then it would apply.

Then we can't stop them, but they could be a presentation.

Moving to public comment on the active transportation collision report.

Do we have any members of the public in the room wishing to comment on this?

Do we have any members of public online?

Alright, do we have any comments from the committee to uh or I guess if there are many questions to uh Lieutenant Gall.

Thanks for all, you know.

Starting our questions.

Hopefully, we don't break the less up too much.

But if I want to have so thank you for the responses.

Uh, I think it is it is helpful.

I want to make sure we're maintaining our relationships.

Um, I would if once that data becomes available from uh crossroads, I wouldn't be surprised if DPAC and other members of the public are interested in going to look at that.

So if that gets forwarded or noted somewhere that they grave on the one that we can do or Lauren, um it will probably make its way out of the dashboard in a more uh tangible way of understanding the information.

So yeah, there are some people in this community who love to get at the raw time, so it's it's gonna be much better.

And yeah, I and I appreciate the attitude towards uh e-devices of making sure that we try to make it so that kids and adults can use e-bicycles that they're allowed to use to not have to drive as much, but getting people who are riding motorcycles around the employee.

There's gonna be there's gonna be a very clear enforcement effort.

I encourage the continued collaboration with our transportation on all that.

Um with that, I think we're good on this sign up.

And we'll move to item six.

The OBAG for complete streets check quests.

And we have our presentation from me, yeah, but we also have Robert Gonzalez here who can speak to the actual projects if you have questions about the sessions.

So this is not an action item, it is a discussion.

And um, yeah, that's not a photo, right?

Um so we're asking the BPAC to review and provide comments on the Metropolitan Transportation Commission complete streets checklist for the one Bay Area Grant applications to be submitted by the city.

You know, so um one Bay Area grant is a transportation funding source that's administered through BTA.

It is administered or it opens up uh in this county, it's administered by VTA.

It opens up about every four years, and um the city of Mountain View took a look at projects that were in a pipeline, the scoring criteria for the OVEC grant and where the projects were in their in their phasing and their ability to get completed within the timelines required by the grant, and we selected two projects.

Um everything is in your packet.

There are two intersection projects on El Camino.

One is the El Camino Real, Calderon Avenue, Phyllis Avenue intersection improvements.

We will be asking for funding for design and construction for that one, and the second one is El Camino Real Castro intersection, Castro Bikeway improvements, and we will be asking for construction funding for that because we already have funded design.

Um rather than go through the projects, I'm just gonna point out that we have in the packet um checklists for each of the projects.

So the MTC, which is the ultimate uh entity that has the funding source, requires that part of the grant application we fill out a complete streets checklist for each project, and bring that checklist to the VPAT for review of the checklist.

And the primary goal of the DPAC review is to look at the project itself, look at the checklist, and make uh see if there's anything we are missing in terms of um different plans and and efforts that the city has that relate to the project, and also are there any components in the project that um don't meet the the goals of students, so it's really to provide feedback on the checklist and make sure what we've developed is is reasonable, make sure it's something that the lay person can understand, and comments on the checklist.

If you want to also provide comments on the scope of work or have questions about the scope of work, Robert's here to provide uh responses to that.

And um, with that, I will open up for conversation.

And if you want, I have the checklists uh on my computer and I can share them if you want to point out a certain area in each checklist.

Questions on each other's next car if you have any questions.

Well, I actually um have a few about the you know, because uh another, you know, I'm on about bike and it's uh safety thing for me about the seeing other, you know, bikers, you know, running the red and um and also uh I mean part of the plan is about age and disability kind of a plan that should be incorporated to the complex, but not writing, but uh so I mean that the new the two the two the two projects that's going to go in how how is it uh it's gonna have some sort of like a signal to the to the passage to the driver no to the bikers, and also it'll help the drivers too.

There's a signal about that this is actually a one-lane pathway like that, you know.

Rather than rather than just you know, this doesn't have a green lane, and then a lot of the bikers don't know that it's just uh, you know, one way and they think that they can go for the other way.

Um is there any coming to some of the sign or some sort of a notice to them?

Uh, trying to share this.

Yeah, thanks for the question.

Robert's awesome, civil engineer at the civil infrastructure for um at this point in the project, we are really starting up the design process.

So um Laura Ludbetter mentioned kind of the competitive competitiveness and selecting projects that were uh could be delivered in that one to four year time frame.

So the El Camino Real um project is just starting out on the design, and the Calderon Al Camino Real project has not begun yet on the design.

So I think that's actually a really good design detail that we can go into with the design process and evaluate that.

You know, a class two bike lane is a class two bike lane, so it's going to be striped as a class two bike plane, but there may be options to look at signage that in addition to that show, you know, wrong way.

I know on California, if you're recycling the wrong way, um, if you if you're if you're opposite traffic, you could you'll see a sign that says you know, bikes wrong way.

So we can look at um adding that type of signage into the lane is so small and then you know it's so easy for one yeah then the yeah the other thing is that besides this just that okay and also you know no for the bikers drivers I think that there should be some sort of a fairness two part of drivers so that they don't feel like you know I talked to a lot of drivers they hate it when the the bikers they just run the red where we run the stuff you know and so then maybe there's some sort of some sort of like a uh sign for the bikers to also let them know that they should follow the rules to it not just be you know arrogant driving thinking that they're you know being good for the society and for the air.

So and we can take this as a general comment as well because these are two intersection improvements there's only so much you can do at one intersection to to manage this sort of behavior but this is this is something that we can take in as a general comment and look for ways to explore that through our educational projects and through our corridor projects when we're delivering cycle bike infrastructure.

I want to note that I was able to finally screen share so this is one of the projects this is the Castro Street project and so these are in your packets the other one this is the um Calderon Phyllis Avenue one so this red is the extent the the limits of the project itself and then this is a concept that was developed through the um real streetscape plan.

I'll try to zoom in a little bit so you can just see these are very conceptual and we're putting these in the grant application and then you know if we receive the funding we'll do the design work to validate that that what's proposed here is something that's feasible.

See if we have questions yeah so I mean thanks for answering on questions.

I had one of uh you know who owns what and who's in charge of what on the community so you know they very start about changing some signal signs you know lights and and things like this.

So you know and and for my experience when whenever I see a broken lights I mean I've tried to reach sometimes Los Altos sometimes Mountain View.

And every time I'm I'm sent back to Caltrans.

So um I'm wondering if for for all this money that we're gonna put here to put new signals or things like this if we're gonna still be dependent on on Caltrans to kind of manage it or fix it or so this project won't change the fact that it is in a Caltrans ride of way we don't want that to change the fact we want them to take responsibility for the right of way that they own and operate.

We're investing in their so for example when um Caltrans did the pavement maintenance a few years ago last a couple years ago um we approached the the Caltrans and volunteer to contribute to put in the bike infrastructure uh they will maintain the bike infrastructure if it is to their design standards um same thing with the signal infrastructure we would voluntarily improve that uh bring in grant funding or city funding to upgrade those the that signal infrastructure but we would still be reliant on Caltrans um they would be responsible for the maintenance and operations of the signals.

Yeah because I mean for the public it's a bit challenging to know when to contact there are very once you contact cat transits there are very few local jurisdictions that have voluntarily take on um trans ride away um I can do there's just a handful and many of them just see that as an additional budgetary burden that we're already struggling to to find um uh the budgets, the operating budgets that we need to maintain the infrastructure that we have and taking it on uh whether it's county infrastructure or Caltrans infrastructure.

We need them their their help and their funding to make the structure that they have.

That would be several signal that we have to take them.

Okay.

Right.

Um, could you since it got mentioned briefly the verifying questions?

Is there anything to elaborate on the RDMP um green infrastructure elements that can be considered for these at all?

That was in terms of short monitor retention for at least the Phyllis one, but I wasn't sure if there's any more detail to call out there.

Yeah, I I mean I'll start in Robert if you want to jump in.

I for the Phyllis and El Camino, Phil's call for an El Camino one, there may be some space or opportunities to be able to provide green infrastructure.

We'll have to get into that with the design.

I do believe that with the Castro one, there's less space.

Uh we want to confirm.

Yeah, that's correct.

So, like I said before, we're early in the design, so we don't have details.

I will mention that um going back to the Caltrans element here, one of the more important things is to understand um who wouldn't who would maintain the infrastructure and whose property would that infrastructure ultimately be on.

So it's some intersections.

I'm thinking about the El Monte Escuela intersection.

The um the Caltrans right-of-way is much is very expansive.

So much of that intersection we're we're considering putting in green infrastructure, and we're we're actively talking to Caltrans about taking credit for the investment that we're putting in there.

This one is a little a little bit simpler.

I think the um the right-of-way is very close to the crosswalk on both sides on the north side and the the Calderon side and the filler side.

So I think it's it's pretty clear that the infrastructure, the green infrastructure will be on city property, but that is something that we want to confirm as we go through the design process.

Um, don't know who is this question, but uh pulling on the thread of the uh I'd asked a clarifying question about the Castro Commons project.

I wanted to understand my impression.

Well, when this project originally, so just to make sure that we all understand what the current this diagram is showing.

That is showing a maintenance or parallel parking along the northbound side of Caster Street for that entire block.

And once Castro Commons implemented, there will no longer be that road that's in the middle in the satellite imagery anymore, and instead that'll just be a Paseo.

And so that's why the the parking is all the way along there.

Is that all a correct description of the what this diagram is showing?

I'm gonna ask.

So this concept um that you're looking at here is I want to say it's four or five years old.

Can I get um better to help me?

Is it 2021, 2022?

That sounds about right.

I think that's what it started, but I think it was I think it lasts had some public meetings in 23, but I think got started before that.

I think that that states this um basically well before the Castro Commons project.

So when the Castro Commons project came in, um, we were looking at this front edge and we were trying to align what we want to do here with what they want to do along the front edge.

So this isn't exactly how it's gonna um the number of parking spaces that are parallel.

They're they're needing some parking spaces taken away so they can provide um a trash loading and unloading from their facility.

Um so it's kind of closer to Yosemite, those spaces were looking at removing and making that trash pickup drop-off area, um, and so and other revisions along it.

Generally, it's close to it, but it's not this exactly.

So I just want to kind of provide that context that do during the Catholic view of the development entitlements.

We did some uh working with the developer manipulators, just a little bit.

It's still the intent, uh, but it's not exactly like this.

Number of spaces may change.

Okay, and does the does the city have any commitments to the developer regarding the number of street parking spaces that are along this frontage, or is that just regarding the the cities making sure to provide the access for trash pickup and as such?

Yeah, no number of spaces are there's a commitment to that.

So we have possibility.

We we try to avoid taking away parking spaces because we know there's a large demand in downtown.

Um so we limit that.

So we were very um prudent about confirming how many spaces we were moving, can we limit that for what they need?

And but the expectation is the expectation that the the spaces here would predominantly be used by tenants, whether commercial retailer customers of that cash show commons project, which will cover the whole that whole block, right?

Yeah, we really envision that the um the use of the parking spaces would be by customers, you know, because it's gonna be mixed use, um, as well as just those who just want to visit further down and they can't find parking in front of um other blocks, uh the retailers they might park here as well.

Okay, I might have things to comment on in that regard, but I'll say that for a comment section.

Can I file on the ground sitting?

Is the parking bar or is it angular?

It's angle today.

And if I'm not mistaken, it's a little bit off street rights in a way, so so it I mean it's not flush with you know, right now that it's angular, but it goes inside the the sidewalk kind of.

Yeah, the parking stalls and the sidewalk are separated by um stairs, yeah.

Um and so it's separate, but it's it's an area of um off street, yeah, sorry, outside the vehicle lane.

Yeah, parking.

So that's kind of off street walking.

Yeah, yeah.

And then um then the sidewalk.

So would it be the same setup here or else would it be?

It would be parallel parking instead of angled.

So you can see here all the scenes.

So it would be uh kind of encroaching on the sidewalk kind of.

Oh, um I I think what we for the Castro Common, we reclaimed the sidewalk and then it's gonna be it's straight.

We reclaimed um so we were reallocating space, recognizing that we wanted to provide a bike lane on Castro.

And so we had to reallocate the space.

So um the sidewalk I think generally is gonna stay about the same.

Um, but now we're we get a uh bike lane on both sides of the street out of it, and then we can only fit parallel parking there instead of the angle parking.

I think that's all I had on that.

If I had one more question, um, uh the nature of those city-owned lots uh weird uh both sort of fillless and that small side streets whose name I've blanked not, and at the corner of the balcony now.

Is the plan basically just for those do those have any special reservation for things in city's plans or are they basically just we may use them for green elements or store model retention or whatever?

Yeah, I do not know the answer to that question.

I just had no idea those were even sitting on property, so that's surprised me.

Okay, all right.

In that case, I will do uh we have another kind of question.

Yeah, you know, those uh corner is corner islands that people put all, right?

So I mean, have they been shown to be effective?

Do you guys know anything about that?

I don't I don't know.

So I don't know why um, you know, these corn islands would it be safe for the pedestrians?

I know they would probably just want to jump onto it, you know, it in terms of the street lights or anything.

Uh if it's uh go ahead.

I can start, but I'm gonna defer to my transportation um managers expertise here.

My understanding is that these are very protective elements there.

They they did they um they're they're places for refuge in the same way that you would have a refugee island, whether it used to be just in the media, um, or we're crossing the street, but these are places where particularly if you have a raised curl at one point to the Charleston um shoreline boulevard intersection.

Uh that was improved uh eight years ago.

Um, but that has raised media, that has raised protective islands and it provides uh both bikes and pads a place to kind of uh stage themselves as they're waiting for a for a light.

So yeah, it would take it would take uh a much higher design speed for a vehicle to actually mount that and get get through it.

So uh it's very protective compared to somebody who may not really have a space in a conventional corner.

They might be sharing space between the bikes and the pads, they might be running out of space, or a bicyclist who is in a class, a class two um bike lane, waiting for a waiting for a light.

I would I would just say yeah, they they definitely provide a lot of protection.

So there's a ramp too going up.

There should be like they will be a bicycle ramp there's different there's different ways to to design them.

Some of them I've seen that I've seen them with and within and without rams.

Yeah, I mean you can you can see they're just between these two, they're slightly different.

This this one here is very, very conceptual, right?

Just um this is approximately what it could look like.

In terms of how the pedestrian would use it, if I zoom in a little bit, the pedestrian will be waiting on the sidewalk, and then when they get the green, they can cross here, right?

So this is not really a this is not big enough really for pedestrian to wait out here.

They may, but um, this type of design, the intention is the pedestrian would still be waiting at the corner, but this this area is a little bit less of a conflict between the butt wrists, and then you can see this is slightly similar but slightly different geometry.

It's really you really need to customize the design and the and everything based on every individual corner.

So this is fairly similar where the pedestrian would cross the bike lane here.

Um they could potentially wait here and then cross.

So this would be the most lightly raised area.

So for the motorists this would this would read at the edge of the the edge of the corner right here, but the push button would be on the sidewalk, right?

Oh, it would be on the sidewalk, yeah.

That's typically how it's done.

Other ones might feel clear.

This one that yeah, probably design.

I'm not too sure.

Okay, yeah.

I could add uh two more benefits.

Um so um protected intersections as we're learning more about them and implementing them.

Um, so one of the major focuses of safety is speed, and the other one is visibility.

Um, and so when you as a vehicle you're trying to turn the corner, um your ability to navigate that corner um changes with the reduced amount of space you have to navigate.

So thus reducing your speed.

You can't navigate it as quickly, so you you will slow down to take so that helps.

Um also um safety, corresponds to speed, but as well as um where uh bicycles place themselves as they're waiting for the light.

So there's a red light, the cars are stopped, the bicycles are stopped.

But the bicyclists can put themselves ahead of the vehicle.

So you can see it if you're left-right is El Camino.

And if I was traveling from left to right and and there was a red light, everybody stops, but then the bicycle can go all the way up to that point right there.

And they can wait there for the green light, giving them a head start.

If the vehicle wants to turn right, it really provides that visibility.

And even when it's green, that vehicle needs to turn at a slower speed and face that um uh bike lane at a more perspective at a um straight perspective.

So it's kind of at an angle.

So uh again, speed and safety is you know is the the premise behind this, and those um uh elements help provide reduce speed and proceed.

Yeah, yeah, definitely clear about that.

You know, so now you wouldn't be like, wouldn't the bike be crossing red?

Um so in this scenario, and prosecuting pedestrians, they're not crossing the red unless um until they get the green.

So uh there's no intersection that they're crossing.

There may be a bicyclist coming from the top to bottom.

There's a grin signal for pedestrians there, right?

So, they have to yield it after yield, right?

So I mean it's you know, and they have to have a production of road, they have yield to pedestrians.

Yeah, but it's a red light, so it's really stops.

Stop bars sort of this could have conflict with the history, so I mean a lot of the five rooms.

I'm just thinking, you know, a lot of times I maybe sometimes really need to tell drivers on you know how to change the because they have the implementing rules on the DMV.

I mean it's not the California's job.

So maybe the drivers really also need to know to tell these drivers to stop down, stop a little bit when they see the junction.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Let's move on to a public comment on the bag or the streets checklist.

Do you have any numbers of public in the river?

This is kind of a sideline, but his comment just brought out I rode my bike over here to the gate today.

And when I got to the El Camino Castro intersection, and I'm waiting for the light to turn so I can cross El Camino.

There were pedestrians there as well.

Very crowded, actually.

The pedestrians started out as soon as the green light was there, but the car that was also waiting to turn right, which we get much more now, can't cross, hardly saw that pedestrian.

And actually the pedestrian got across, but then the car went, and then the rest.

And so your comment about visibility and having islands and things that help the drivers remember to slow down, I think are a very vital part of kind of planet because it's that visibility, and we all as drivers have to remember.

I'm working right now on the what do they call it?

A Dutch door opening where you turn around, see if the bicycles coming before you open your door as your parallel parking.

So I really appreciate that you're looking at these kinds of issues to make sure that pedestrians and bicycles can be safe.

Thank you.

Do we have any members of the public on Zoom wishing to speak?

All right, then we'll move on to any comments if there's anything you would wish to comment on regarding.

Actually, could we put up that?

Do you have that like list of work budget and sort of bullets that you want us to be addressing?

Not that we can do some other things.

I don't think I have it here.

I can tell you what they are though.

Just to remind us about things to action.

Okay, are the answers to the checklist clear and understandable to a lay person?

Has the project sufficiently incorporated complete streets recommendations outlined in adopted plans?

Um is if an exception of the complete streets checklist is requested, is it reasonable?

But we are not asking for any exceptions, and then so there's really just three.

The third one is are there any additional comments related to the project and for those?

Okay, no additional.

So first on the checklist that I had asked some drive equation driving questions, you know, that pointed to some inconsistencies sometimes on the documents reference.

And maybe I didn't stop.

So there's we got that.

Yeah, I think no precise plan, things.

And and the building onto the alcamino precise plan is also the uh the growth that's projected for for the end of the so that's a you know, I think it's a plus for the application.

Um in fact, we can see the effect of the nonsification I could pass through uh at the castro and camino, because we currently have multi-story residential, multi-story business, and then wouldn't the other two corners will soon have multi-story.

So it's going to look more like a normal intersection, which is kind of where I'm not, even though it's a city.

And then I comments are more general about the intersections.

So and mostly from the pedestrian standpoint.

So if I look at the intersections across El Camino, there are some of the most challenging ones for pedestrians in the city.

What was done for pedestrians?

There were a few mid-block crossings, but nothing was done really for pedestrians on there.

I'm gonna go first to the issues with the intersections as a pedestrian side.

I work through these intersections at least once a week to go to do a shift at CSA, and then whenever I come here for the so today I work twice with this intersections.

But the first thing is that they are very long for for you know in distance for for pedestrians to do this.

So that's not an issue for me, but I've seen many times uh people kind of stuck in the middle because they couldn't make it through in the amount of time.

And if you look at most events, then that's a very scary thought because uh except for Castro, and they are not perfect, they are pretty much no safety islands there.

So when people get stuck in the middle, they kind of try to go as close as possible to the sign.

For some of them, there is still a push button to try to get back in the signal, of course.

You stop.

Um an aggravating things is that in the lot of intersection on the camino, people can do new turns, so you're pretty much stuck in the middle of the intersection, and with cars doing new turns there.

So that's that's a scary thing.

The other thing that that's not ideal with this intersection is that it takes a very long time to cross them, not by distance, just waiting for the thing.

So every time I work, if I'm lucky, you know, everything works fine, but if I'm not lucky, it's easily five minutes to to cross El Camino.

And crossing El Camino is often a two-step process because I when I come here and I kind of do a diagonal, if you will.

I typically cross by shoreline, but it means waiting for a phase for either crossing shoreline, and then waiting for another phase for football.

Usually I press both directions, you know, hoping that it works, but there is nothing synchronized.

So you press one button, it's not coordinated to the others, even though what you you want to do is that so uh and five minutes it's quite a long time, uh, especially if you consider that people you know need to cross El Camino to go catch a bus or something like this.

Five minute delay is uh it's a mid-bus.

Um the other thing that that's uh far from ideal is is the lightning, uh, but on the the um intersections on the crosswalk.

So um and it's kind of a typical design, I think, at least in California, where um you're gonna have one street light of uh typically a signal sign, uh, that's gonna be on one side.

Um and the street is not very wide, and that's sufficient to illuminate everything.

Uh, first of all, it's not always really lined up with the sidewalk, the with a crosswalk.

So sometimes it's a bit off, but with a street as El Camino with so many lines, what you wind up is to have good visibility on one side of a crosswalk and pretty much diminishing uh visibility as you you go to to the other side, and sometimes it's quite dark, which is not not a good thing.

The other thing that's missing on El Camino in general is also pedestrian level type of lighting.

And that's important as you approach the intersections because it's a way first of all not to trip yourself to feel safe.

I'm fine, but I you know I'm not really somebody who you would want necessarily uh attack, but I I can see that's a deterrent for people.

That's a question of safety there.

So there are a few places where you have uh pedestrian level I think, so that's on one side of the castro, on this side, I guess, of the castro intersections, there's nothing on the other side.

Uh there's nothing really on by shoreline or by ranks off, but that's uh pedestrian lighting.

Uh and then uh and the pedestrian level lighting is also important to have better visibility for for bikes uh on the bike lines because the same issue that I described where the light is on one side and fails to eliminate everything.

Uh it means that it's pretty dark on the bike line on the opposite side of the line.

Um the lights are also typically pretty high up, so they are above the trees, so you pretty much you eliminate whatever leaves in the trees, but it doesn't reach the pedestrians or the bikes, so pedestrian level type of lighting is is very important for both bikes and pedestrians on the approach to this intersection.

So um, and so when I look at the the projects, I I don't see much being done to address these issues, uh, and uh I don't want to really script what you should be doing, but I think there needs to be much more emphasis on on pedestrian for the uh that's being proposed.

Uh because I don't see much benefits from pedestrians in there.

Um they could be a little bit of protected things, you know, for the safety there.

Uh I think in one of the checklists inventions kind of reducing the length for crossing, but I think it's that's not accurate because uh as a pedestrian you'll still be waiting on the sidewalk, um, you know, and the distance will be the same, you'll just have to cross uh six or seven lines of traffic and two bike lanes, um, and then um one comment I wanted to provide about these treatments, where um you kind of have to also cross a bike line essentially.

Um I was in in France in May in Paris, and Paris has done great things for bikes and so on.

Um, but um and it's still wonderful to work things like this, except on crosswalks, uh, because now you have uh a similar type of treatments where um you can have a bike lane, little island, then crossing the traffic and things like this, and maybe it's specific to Parisians.

I'm not from Paris, so I can match them there, but they never never stop.

You can try eye contact, you can try our viewing, you know, and I've got plenty of friendship pardoned for that, but it's like they just don't stop, and and it's it's actually dangerous and and frightening and stressful, which walking shouldn't be.

So if we go for something like this, I would want very strict rules where you know red is red, uh very much uh you know the pedestrians have waited five minutes to get their their light to grow, it should be respected, uh no no exceptions and pretty much streaking full month on this and false month on this because it's it's crazy and and I'm hoping Montane du resonance are not Parisians, but some of them may be from the trust design is great, I agree with you can I ask two clarifying things about your confidence uh I just share first off, I was realizing this as you're mentioning some of the things I don't walk through these intersections all that frequently myself when it rains do we currently have problems with um ponding at the curve cuts.

I don't think I've got drop cuts.

Okay so people aren't having to step through water when it rains to that also this is Caliphonic.

Yeah um and I also don't look and I'm trying to make sure that I understand what your comments about um conflicts between cyclists and pedestrians in the crosswalks are related to is that the the only conflict I see which I'm not I'm not saying it's not a conflict but I the only conflict I see is that basically as cyclists are arriving at the intersection at a red light they will cross the crosswalk where there may be pedestrians or the pedestrians may have the right of way at that time to get up ahead of the drivers where there's where cycles are supposed to stop.

Is that the main spot where you're referring to yeah and and the spot is really that they should be stopping that industry on school.

That's you know that's the rule of the road I mean that's you know uh because from again from my experience in our seven you know cyclists would not stop or not here or the just grace or try it to you know we have them to do this I mean that's just you know it's it's putting from the back behavior off and you know okay I guess my comment on that it won't be at similar style intersections I've seen in downtown San Jose.

I don't get the impression I've seen too many issues in that regard but I'm also not there perhaps at the peak hours so maybe I I am missing something at home like it's really busy um but I yeah at existing protected intersections I have in some I guess I'd be curious if there's any issues people have had at that um amphitheater or whatever we some of the Google ones where there are extremely high volumes of cyclists and pedestrians.

I would be curious to know if we have any issues there or if it's just working fine.

If it's just working fine then I won't be distressed on these things.

I think it's a different setup than this.

It's more like the stage area for three months.

No that that one has it's it's it's slightly different but I think it's a very simple style.

So um just to respond I think this is really helpful input for us when we're starting to go into the design phase because I think believe that there can be treatments that we can put in that we can make it clear to bicyclists that they either have to stop or yield.

And I don't want to I mean I one option is you could actually have it set up so that the bicyclist had to ramp up and it was almost like this the frostwalk was at the that's one example but um you know I don't want to promise one designer another because we haven't gotten to into that but I think noting that we should look at designs that reduce conflicts between pedestrians and bicyclists is gonna be important to put to put in our notes when we're moving forward with the project.

Does that make sense?

I'm gonna run through a few of my comments and try to focus on yeah what what anything I want to mention on design for it's too far long but that's just what I think will be important for the applications themselves.

I do think these are both projects these intersections as the FP falls out are high priority ones for the city in terms of safety um and the protected elements like uh what assisted public architecture was calling out about reducing uh turning speeds improving the disability will help a lot for both protections and cyclists I I don't use these intersections every day I do use central and castro slash Moffitt every single day, basically.

And at least one of the right terms there is not great and would do a lot better if we had something that looked like this.

I believe at least the Phyllis Calderon one already has no right turn on red.

Um I don't know if that's I can't pull that's the case on half of now.

I think that goes well with protected intersections.

Um so I hope we do that.

I think in terms of the project applications, um I didn't have any layering things about the nature of the applications themselves.

Um I do I think mentioning the stormwater stuff.

I don't know if that actually matters for what the nominal stuff on the complete streets checklist.

If I can't remember if the complete streets criteria currently includes a do you have lots of letters from local organizations?

I know some of these grant applications do.

But if you're explicitly pulling out those sorts of stormwater treatment things that may and reach out to like the local uh green species group or the such, you might be able to get um additional support to help us find the project.

Um, it would presumably be good to do, but on its own names, um, but just for the uh uh brand side itself.

Um, regarding the protection intersection, so I might have found myself full for the past few years to a lot more two stage left turns, which wasn't mentioned, but is actually doesn't really lose you that much time and sometimes gains you time as a cyclist, just crossing in the bike lane, then turning and crossing in the other bike lane, and it's a lot safer, protect intersections make it a lot nicer.

Um design element I would like to see paid attention to is whether any of the protection corners end up in a way that is hazardous to cyclists riding through.

Um I I have heard, I guess, minor complaints about the some of the California street intersections, and I've sort of felt that when I've ridden through it a few times of that the um plastic ballards can feel a bit abrupt when you're riding through and sort of force people to veer in the bike lane more sharply than they're entirely comfortable with.

I don't think that's the biggest design.

I think that those are that's still a good project to have done.

I just want to pay attention to it as we go forward with this.

Um I think one thing that'll make the application stronger and make the projects better would be basically getting more of the bike lanes protected.

Um, and these spots where I see that are on northbound Castro.

My impression is that a lot of the reason for retaining that parking at in those original plans was because there were businesses there at the time who were expecting customers to be able to use that parking because it had been there for a while.

With the Castro Commons project, that is no longer the case.

There is not, there are actually businesses.

I believe there's at least one that's still there right at the moment, but once it's rebuilt, presumably that will correspond to a lot of change.

And that bike lane, I'm not I'm not convinced it.

I think it'll get a lot of double parking if we have it retaining its current form because that bike lane is basically wide enough to park another vehicle there, a delivery vehicle or a drop off.

Um it's we'll have people pulling in and out of the parking spaces, and I don't it's only like 10 to 15 spaces once you uh deal with whatever trash and recycling drop off and that sort of thing we need.

So getting someone to make that protected would be amazing.

Um, I think that would make up that a lot, a lot safer would be a lot safer and make the application stronger.

Um the other spots I noticed for additional protection were potentially along Phyllis on the approach to El Camino, um, where I think there might even be enough right of way to just make the northbound, I have no idea.

Southbound, it looks like we probably have the right of way to do some parking protected bike lanes.

I don't know if that parking's even used much right now.

Um, but that I think would make that project a bit stronger.

Um, and then I don't know what the right-of-way situation is for the bus stops that would might be affected by either project.

I think it's mostly the Phyllis one though.

But if we can make those be some form of island so that the buses that are going through are not pulling across the uh bike into the bike lane constantly, that would make things better.

I don't, I said I don't know what the right-of-way constraints are.

Yeah, um, I don't know if that's something where moving the bus stop 100 feet would make the right of way better, but yeah, the um there's a bus stop here.

Yeah, and I think I think the other business.

I think they're both on the uh Eastern side, yeah.

And then Castro, all right, getting oriented.

I'm sure it's by the it's on the upper side, oh yeah, but by the already designed on that top side, right side, yeah.

Yeah, and then there's on the reverse.

I don't know if either of those are covered by project boundaries.

Um I also don't know if the ones that are along Castro are covered.

I think there's only one on that's on southbound capture that might be covered by project boundaries, but so the the complete streets checklist also requires coordination with VTAs.

We submitted this exact package to VTA at the beginning of the month, and we'll be hearing back from them by the end of the month.

Um we talked about that exact question.

Should we consider this?

Um we generally felt that that would make it a much much bigger project, and it also would need a lot of approval from VTA if they weren't.

We don't even know if ETA is willing to move forward with that type of design.

You would most likely need to take right of way in order to provide the full transit boarding island width.

It just becomes a much bigger project.

So we're we're waiting to see what what EPA says, but at this point in time we were not intending on building transit boarding islands with these projects, even though there's there's transit right adjacent.

I don't know if you can flip back, but that's true.

Mm-hmm.

Uh so that would be pretty much on the left uh side for you know at the bottom left there on the things.

There's you know where we're better being.

Uh I think part of it is also part of it project.

We move the iconights kind of inside and separate it from the bus.

Yeah, there is a design.

There's a project.

So will this design will integrate into the development that's happening on that corner.

Yeah, and I don't know that the bus stops at cash drill are more important than the ones at uh Phyllis because they're also 522 stops.

Um they are so but anyways, that is it's good to that we said discussion is happening and it's happening.

Um, but yeah.

Um, other things I want to make sure to touch on.

Uh for the fill list five twenty.

I mean the uh along Phyllis itself, there's currently just some striping that sort of provides the lane width.

I'm not sure if it would make sense to uh sort of on southbound fills coming out of the interception, there's just striping to to define the width of the southbound lane.

I'm not sure if it makes sense to try to provide some to make sure that lane was narrow enough that people were less likely to speed down Phyllis to stop sign.

I don't I don't know how necessary that is.

I'll mention an SA thing to consider.

Um could you just repeat the sound?

Yeah, there's one lane of through traffic for vehicles.

Um the asphalt itself is quite wide.

Um and so there's just some diagonal striking to to define where cars are not supposed to go.

However, that means that there's physically sort of a car can still go pretty fast through there, even though the lane, I don't know how exactly there are the way it's gonna be.

So I don't I don't know about that.

I will point out this is a very conceptual sketch.

Yep, I know, and it it may not look exactly like this.

Yeah, so note it.

Understood.

Yeah.

Uh and then the items.

What I heard from that is you want to ensure that there's not excess pavement in this.

We've had a couple discussions at recent meetings about about lane narrowing, like making sure that we are we're doing what we can to reduce vehicle speeds.

Like we're checking all the boxes of the different tools we have to reduce vehicles being safety.

So your primary goal is to reduce vehicle speeds through geometric measures.

Easy main.

That is what I'm getting at.

Yes.

Okay.

And I'm calling out specific design elements that's that could could potentially do that.

Yep.

Um, thank you for that uh summation.

Um the last thing that was on my mind was that I don't know it for integrating with other plans, making sure that we have whatever good access is for that Paseo, the oral place um Fairmont, I believe, on the castro project.

Um I don't know if some curved cut it is in order to session by good access between the bike path and for sale, but having good access so that we have a good network will be desirable, I'm sure.

I suspect that will be part of the development project as opposed to this project, but noted it will anything addressing there, yeah.

But as as I said, good project to be doing, I I ride through the certain right through the castro and up and you know what regularly don't walk through these intersections quite as quickly myself, but we can talk to the fillest uh picking.

Yeah, you're um I'm wondering whether it's I mean part of the obligation to get this funding that you know, or even you know, with a mountain view or any other city has even thought about what these are all the green lights, green lines uh on the streets.

But for those and also these uh these laws also permit these uh bicyclists to make the left turns.

So once they get out of these green green pathways, and then for El Camino, such a busy path.

They want to go into the left classroom.

The cash room, that's sorry, sorry, Calderon.

Yeah, this is Calderon.

Yeah, they want to go into there, and then so they have to make a you know, they have to do their hand signals, yeah.

Maybe it's a blue hand signals and then pass all these cars in order to go into the left line, I mean left lane, and then and so is it part of an obligation for mountain view or or any kind of uh or even just uh rule, some kind of rule to say to make that facilitate that kind of a- Well, I would say a design like this with a protected intersection, it facilitates a different way of making that turn.

So it allows the bicyclist to come across the street and then wait, and actually there's a typically the way you design it is there's enough space for a bicyclist to wait out of the way of the through bicyclists and then set themselves up to go across the street when they get the green.

So it's a two-stage left turn, like James was mentioning.

Um, if you that doesn't preclude someone who is a very um avid adventurous, you know, vehicular cyclist from crossing the three lanes of traffic and and waiting at this at the at the left turn lane, and all of the left turn lanes should have uh detection that would detect bicyclists so they would trigger the left and they could go on the green.

Um I haven't biked enough on El Camino to see how many people do that in mountain view, but my experience is that very few people will actually do that because of the volumes because of the speeds and because of the number of lanes, and most people typically do that that that left the two stage.

When there's that many lanes, the the two two stage left turns of in.

If this was a one, one and one, yes, you'd see more people doing that.

But it uh something with this traffic volume and volume of number of lanes.

So exactly.

So to facilitate that for the bicyclists who feel comfortable doing that.

If you know you can see I I don't remember exactly what it looks like now with the at this particular location, but if there's a break in advance of, you know, of the intersection, they could then get out of the class four bike lane, safely move across, and then of course there's the you know, the the detection that allows them to turn, and that is the limit of the facilitation that typically provided on a road like this.

You know, with a long-term kind of a perspective uh with common street that they want to implement, and then you know, for more bikes, you know, more bikes on the street, uh all over the place, and then groups, a lot of uh kids, you know, who's in the bike and there's all squished there, and then they just want to make a left turn going through that way, you know.

This is a this is a student um, this is a school intersection.

There's a lot of students who use this.

And so we're gonna be looking even more closely at the how people are currently using this and what what types of behaviors we want to accommodate and facilitate when we're doing the design.

Yeah, I actually that's what I want to make sure that I mentioned that my collection, yeah.

And so this kit may come out of the sidewalk on their bike because they're coming straight out of a property complex or the such.

And so making sure that's safe is I think good.

But anyways, really fewer.

So I had one question on this diagram actually.

So you should look at the the kind of uh kind of black lane next to the crosswalk across and feminine.

Right.

Like the crosswalk.

These would be one way, yeah.

That's the intention.

Yes, I've seen some like this on by Ringsdorf that are used both ways, and I I don't blame them because there is no crosswalk on the other side.

Uh but you know, um that's not right.

No one rings revealing.

So it's in the time street.

Yeah, yeah.

Rangsdove has only one crosswalk, so I can see that, but they wind up on the banking on store.

It's certainly possible to do that given the the appropriate signalization and the appropriate infrastructure going in in either direction, but I don't think we had considered that for this or or Castro because they're streaming crossing.

Yeah, but I think it's a nice thing, yeah.

You wind up with you know, okay, thank you.

But what I'm hearing is possibility.

He likes having it on both legs, yes, okay, and you like one-way crossway.

Yeah, all right.

Um, then I had two two more comments.

Um, if I may.

So one is to um reiterate that whenever possible we should put no right on red.

Uh these are very easy intersections.

Both of them have school, you know, a part of robots score.

Um, I mean, if we have to put it anywhere, but it's there.

And um, I don't know, Caltron seems to be okay with putting some.

Um, you know, they let us put some there, and I think these are the right places to do this, and then the other thing too is it's pretty inconsistent across El Camino regarding terms.

Uh, they are like a chore line, you cannot do one, but you can do one at Castro, uh, which to me doesn't make any sense.

I mean it's a much easier and much more than things.

And honestly, I don't I can't think of a of another city where we would have like this type of UTOPs on such a on such a street.

So and I'm not sure what leadway you know, Mountain View has to do kind of anal because I think it would simplify pretty much the movements there.

Uh it wouldn't be as scary when people get stuck in the middle of the crosswalk, uh, you know, because people can do that type of thing.

And I think it may actually speed up traffic because when somebody does a U-turn, they kind of prevent people want to do a left turn because they have to do it very similarly.

So, right, I think it's and anything that that can reduce the type of movement is a good thing, I think, on the sections.

Right.

There's anything well, I want to move on to the next item.

All right, okay, great.

So, did you want to summarize any of those?

I will I have lots of notes.

I'm not gonna summarize all of them, but I will tell you the next steps.

I'm gonna take these notes, put them together, um, and attach those notes to the final checklist that we submit to MTC through their online portal.

Right.

So this information is gonna be packaged and sent with the grant application.

And then we find out if we did or did not receive this grant.

Probably in like the initial would be, so it's a little weird.

Initial would be probably September time frame, probably September time frame.

We get selected by VTA to go to MTA.

That's that's the first cut.

Yeah, yeah.

So VTA is nominating projects, they're nominating a hundred and twenty percent of the total amount of budget that is expected to be allocated to VTA.

And then that goes up to MTC and MTC makes the final decision.

So we'll know if we make it past round one.

Yeah, but then we'll go to round two.

Yeah.

So I would say final, I think it's probably gonna be January, February, so maybe December.

So in the winter.

Um, is it decided by the PC board?

No, it's decided by the MTC.

Yeah.

Well it's two steps.

The answer is yes.

The first step is it's it's it's basically like round one and round two.

So first we have to pass round one with BTA and if we do that VTA will move it up to MTC and then MTC will select from what what VTA provides.

I think these are very good projects but I think we are also competing against some other very strong candidates and I think there's probably going to be about 30 to 35 projects that are submitted to VTA.

And um it's very competitive very but I I think there's a lot going for these projects um well where they will be really compelling and we're going to do our best to write an exceptional grant application.

The applicator did you not technically yes well you can talk but some of the there's a provision specifically in BT's grant guidelines about how many applications they can nominate from San Jose itself.

Well I think it doesn't say from San Jose I think we they can't end up nominating more than half of their 120% from any one jurisdiction um and my understanding is that that exists because San Jose uh presented a lot of good projects one year and got a very large percentage of the projects who were nominated but there's no minimum requirements be able to get a project not as such.

However for the SB 63 did make that request that when VTA gets to distribute if that passes ballot then it that was one of the recommendations from Mount View was that it was allocated by in two jurisdictions that wasn't competitive more competitive is it is to get back.

Anyway anyways let us move on to item 6.3 the draft fiscal year 2026 to 27 tentative agenda lists.

Thank you.

Okay.

That's my item as well we do this every year this is the first time I've done it.

This is an action to accept the bicycle pedestrian advisory committee's draft fiscal year 2026 2027 work plan and then my understanding it then goes up to city council for the final approval for all of the committees.

So um as you know I did email thank you uh to the chair to suggest that I do this I emailed the committee asking if you would be want to submit one to potential request for the work plan um specifically looking at requests that are within the purview of the BPAC and um you know the BPAC bylaws as well as BPAC's advisory role to city council and we did get some requests and I'm going to walk through generally yeah that's pretty good.

So yeah I guess you can read that um so I just wanted to kind of uh share you how I addressed in the work plan because of the timing I didn't have a lot of time to circle back with individual staff to confirm can I put this specific item in the work plan so what you'll see is I have a general item but I don't have bullets underneath it saying we'll do this we'll look at this look at this and that's purely because I did not actually have the time to confirm and I didn't want to promise something uh right but um so we'll start just uh this is a no order the on the left is a summary of the request on the right is how uh we accommodated it in the work plan so uh establish a no right turn on red policy and start implementation so I added to the work plan item nine update BPEC on implementation of the active transportation plan policies and programs.

The no right turn on red.

That acronym is not the right credit.

Sorry keep on doing that no turn on red that's what that's what it is.

Yeah, that's what we have.

Turn on red.

Thank you.

Um, it is recommended by the the public review draft uh to to uh evaluate a policy for that.

So I thought that could fit under that, and that's true with many of these things as well.

Um so small-scale projects that can be implemented quickly without full roadway repaving.

We can we can look at um, I think we could potentially put something like that under the uh update VPAC on the implementation of the ATP.

We can potentially explore this would this would be in future CIPs uh is there a mechanism or an opportunity to have a funding source to do those types of projects.

Um there was a request on the project tracking dashboard status.

So I talked to Alison about that, and she indicated there is a larger citywide effort to have project dashboard.

So we would update on it under like a staff staff update when and if that I should say when that gets developed.

So we didn't add it to the work plan because it would just be a staff update.

Um we had some questions on bike parking, so converting some street parking into secure bicycle offers and then best practices for bicycle parking ordinances.

We do have under the um ATP policies and programs a recommendation to update the bike parking standards.

So I think these two fit really nicely under that.

Um a study session to compare student cycling education encouragement programs across local cities.

We are going to be developing a safer to school program for adoption in the upcoming year, and so I think we can we can wrap um how do I want to say this?

I don't think we're going to be doing a full-on study session to do this, but certainly there will be some looking at how different cities are implementing their education and their encouragement programs and how they're being or not being effective, and that can get wrapped into the development of the of the program.

I also want to mention that the Santa Clara County Public Health Department does convene in quarterly meetings with safe school providers, Mountain View participates, and this type of cross-agency evaluation is completely in their wheelhouse.

So we can reach out to the county public health department and see if they have something moving forward, some information, perhaps they would even have a webinar, something we could invite the VPAC to.

So I think there's opportunities to provide um uh to rely on other agency efforts to give the VPAC um some of this information that doesn't um fully burden you know staff because this would be a lot to put together a full comparison.

All right, the last two um, I think these two uh we were able to flip in specifically so coordinate with city departments and advisory bodies and other jurisdictions within the county on trans uh and other agencies on pedestrian and bicycling matters.

So um we already have item G in the work plan, and we added a bullet talking about better communication and coordination between commissions.

Um so if you are interested in having conversations with individual members of other other city committees, we can certainly make introductions and and start having you can have those those informal conversations, so um, and we can look into if there's an opportunity if there makes sense to have some sort of joint meeting.

I don't think in our recent past we are aware of a joint meeting that's happened, but um all right, and then last was a request to share more opportunities to volunteer at city-led education encouragement events and also include some more walking events.

So we did add to the list the walk to school day that we host, and so if we have other uh walking related opportunities, we'll certainly make those aware to this committee.

So that said, that summarizes what you see in the work plan.

Um this is the recommendation.

The work plan is in your packet, and I guess we can that's the end of my presentation.

Okay, is there just is there anything notable to share on the TAL?

I think one thing I'd like to point out on the TAL is that our next meeting would be on the 18th, which was is a little bit of a shift there, and we appreciate you guys working with us there.

Um there are some uh meetings that are lighter or don't have anything quite on the agenda yet, so we'll be to populate that um or cancel if not um is there anything else we can happen?

Oh, we did add a column for seat consent information and action to kind of give you guys an idea of what we're envisioning.

If um there's something you're thinking differently, we're open to that.

That's it.

Do we have any preferring questions on the draft work plan and work how?

Do you have any comments uh in-person comments from members of the public on the draft workplace or this physical physical recommendation?

Do we have any public comments online regarding the draft workplace?

No, no, okay, then I guess we'll move to any DPAC comments and a motion will be in order for um uh accepting or accepting the draft word point is it recommending it to council, whatever or accepting the staff recommendation or I'm sorry.

I just put that back up.

Actually, sorry, did I have different questions?

Will the the slides from both this and from the um PD presentation will any of those be shared or made available um after the meeting or just in the recording?

After the fact, let's go about the slides.

We're gonna bring them up as part of the attachment to the cake minutes when people like just started on legislate, yeah.

So that'll okay.

Thank you.

Um, okay.

You ask us some of a request.

Okay.

Yeah, I should say, I I appreciate the uh doing some of those like advanced to get some input.

I think that's made this more um more useful than some prior years when we've tried to have the discussion about this.

I obviously not everything got committed to, but I think that hopefully that represents some sense of what I think members are uh interested in hearing about that.

And I will say it's helpful too as we get into our CIP here, knowing where you'd like to see time and what comes back.

Yeah, and I'll note a couple of those are things I've heard the pack members of myself or others uh ask for multiple times over the years.

The uh the the having a consistent dashboard of ongoing projects has been a request for longer than I've been on VPAC.

Um, it's in the works.

We're working.

I I don't know exact timing on that, but we it's it's not as easy as we would like it to be, but we are working through it.

I I think we figured that out from how for people asking for it.

So I provide some context there.

I know I've heard in the past um requests for more discussions with with parks because so many of our trails and critical bike infrastructure on parts.

Um, yeah, but I was personally interested in the uh more, any more uh public projects built so that we can get more happy quickly.

Um, and that I don't know, that goes to the TDA three funding or other in sources, but I'm I'm happy to accept the uh uh staff recommendation if anyone wants to move that.

So we need a motion to the motion, a second, a vote.

So I'm I move that we approve both the drafts.

I can second that.

Okay, and all in favor of uh right, that says unanimously with the room.

Um, and I believe that moves us to item 7.1, staff comments.

Right.

So we do have a presentation.

Do we hopeful?

How later about it?

On the Route 237 Middlefield Road, interchange Improvement, and Robert, we've all hear two.

Do you want to do that?

I can I can just open it.

Yeah, since I'm already up.

And I guess as a number of time, I believe we're not expecting like in-depth discussion on this or the substitution, but that's an informational update.

It is and it's I will.

Thank you.

Good evening, Chair and Committee members.

My name is Joey Houghton, Senior Civil Engineer, joined tonight by Robert Gonzalez, Principal Civil Engineer in Public Works, and we're here to present updates on the state route 237 and Middlefield Road Interchange Improvement Project.

To start with a little bit of background, Middlefield Road shown vertically on this slide in the north-south direction between Logue Avenue and the eastbound 237 off ramp is very challenging due to the number and close proximity of signalized intersections in a relatively short stretch of roadway.

This results in a high collision rate and a challenging environment for pedestrians and bicyclists.

The intent of the project is to reduce collision conflicts and improve pedestrian and bicycle mobility and connectivity.

This project started two decades ago, starting in 2005.

Whoopsie, sorry.

Where am I going?

In 2005, when Santa Clara Valley Transportation Authority or BTA solicited city support regarding highway projects in their valley transportation or VTP.

Caltrans approved the project study report that included the same interchange in 2013, and up to this date, the project was theoretical with no funding available for the subsequent phases.

Until 2019, when city council approved the Capital Project, the State Route 237 and Middlefield Road Interchange Improvements Project, an appropriated 5.5 million from the community benefit funds received from the first phase of a development project in the area and authorized execution of a funding agreement with VTA for project management services for the project approval and environmental document and final design phases of the project.

In 2020, VTA initiated the project and developed preliminary alternatives.

And since then the project initiation, since project initiation, the project team has been in coordination with Caltrans since the project impact there by the way and operation to gain approval prior to starting the final design phase.

And to set the stage, Middlefield Road is a four-lane roadway with four signalized intersection space approximately 300 feet apart in the project area between Logue Avenue and the eastbound 237 off-ramp, which contributes to a high rate of broadside collisions.

In particular, the collision rate at the westbound 237 middle field and frontage road intersection exceeds the statewide average for an intersection of this type.

The 237 intersection operates as a partial interchange, only having an eastbound off-ramp and a westbound on ramp, compared to a full interchange with on and off ramps in both directions, with the other interchange movement happening at the partial interchange at MOD Avenue.

There are continuous bike two class two bike lanes and four to six foot wide sidewalks on both sides of Middlefield Road within the project limits.

And then east of middle field road sidewalks, the class two bike lanes do exist along the north and south side of the westbound and eastbound frontage roads, respectively.

And the project area is located near the WISM Light Rail Station, shown at the top of the top of the page, and is significantly constrained for bikes and PEDs, with the Caltrain Corridor acting as a north-south barrier while the 237 access and east-west barrier.

The project objectives and goals include reducing the frequency and severity of collisions along Middlefield Road between Logue and the Eastbound 237 off-ramp intersections, improving pedestrian and bicycle accommodations and access, enhancing accessibility and connectivity to transit, strengthening connections to local roadways and plan developments in the area, and optimizing the use of the existing right-of-way.

In 2020, the project team completed the preliminary investigative phase of the project to support the development of the analysis and analysis of six alternatives.

The alternatives were reviewed and scored by the project team and VTA and Caltrans by PED subject matter experts based on categories including pedestrian and bicycle improvements, safety, environmental traffic operations, right-of-way and geometrics.

The criteria categories were weighed based on their alignment with the goals and objectives of the project and based on various reasons, such as Caltrans did approval of a new connection to their main line.

Some of those alternatives were eliminated, and staff is recommending alternative three.

The conceptual design for the staff recommended alternative, alternative three shown on the screen here, includes the following improvements: installation of traffic plumbing features along the westbound frontage road, including raised mediums, pavement markings, radar feedback signs, landscaping in narrow travel lanes.

Construction of class four bikeways and widened sidewalks along the westbound frontage road between Middlefield Road and Maud Avenue.

Installation of Class 4 bikeways and six-foot wide sidewalks on Middlefield Road.

And protected intersection improvements at the intersection of Ferguson, westbound 237 on ramp, and the eastbound 237 off-ramp.

In addition, this alternative includes what we refer to as technology improvements at the intersection, and they include signal interconnect, signal timing optimization, and modified traffic signal operations with separate phases for bikes and PEDs.

With the completion of the biodiversity and urban forest plan, the project team will look for opportunities for inclusion of landscaping and great stormwater in the project and continue in the final design.

This phase will be followed by the final design phase, expected to begin next year and conclude in summer of 2028, which will be followed by a two-year construction period.

The project cost for the staff recommended alternative is 24.8 million as summarized on the screen.

The project is fully funded through final design utilizing Measure B, VTA measure B funds, and city community benefit funds.

The project budget includes a total of 22.5 million in VTA measure B highway program funds.

This combined with the city funds is sufficient to support the construction of the project.

Staff did present the project update and the staff recommended alternative to the CTC just last week on June 16, 2026.

And the CTC recommended that the city council approve the staff recommended design concept for the project.

As our next step, staff will forward a recommendation to city council for approval of the recommended alternative in fall of 2026.

And once approved by city council, staff will proceed into final design upon completion of the PAED fee.

And that concludes my presentation.

And is this the extent of the sort of SAP presentation section?

I will have two understock two very quick things.

So you can have the conversation about this item and then at the end.

If we have any brief questions, since this is not sort of a normally schedule items, it's just an update, right?

We can make some good questions.

Yeah, this diagram here.

So I have one question.

I I see that there is kind of a safety item that would crosswalk at the button, but not that you want on the top.

Um wondering what it's um is missing.

What I'm noticing is that there are left turn movements at the top and the middle islands versus the bottom one doesn't have the left turn movements uh going northbound.

So it may be to accommodate those turns.

Yeah, that's uh from from Ferguson to north or not north, but onto middle field.

Off middle field.

Off middle field.

Yeah.

Because what's on the bottom left here is an eastbound off rent.

So it's only going in one direction, no left turns into that uh roadway from middle field road.

So you know what's having a safety item that you don't do.

It may be hard to accommodate those turning movements if there were refuge islands, but that's something we can take a look at.

I mean, I just it just got my eye.

Uh and then the the other thing too is that you you mentioned that's uh one of the reasons for this project is that we wear a lot of broadside type of crashes.

So I have to assume that some of them are because people are right on red.

Uh you know, and and I'm wondering if that would be a good opportunity to kind of ban those and because they are that's a dangerous maneuver when you have that many lines and speed.

It's a very cost-centric stretch of roads.

A lot of the vehicular conflicts were that were identified, are just a combination of vehicular speeds and I think driver behavior with the closely spaced signalized intersections.

Um the improvements are meant to address um lowering vehicle speeds at the is at the intersection and also shortening those crossing distances for for bikes and pets.

But if there are desires for no turn on right, that's something we can bring up.

These intersections are owned and operated by Caltrans.

Um so they would be subject to Caltrans approval.

Anyway, my funds would be to have no rent on red anywhere because it's that's a way to work.

That's much safer.

The funding is coming from the 2016 measure B highway.

Highway.

This is an inner change.

Yeah, just you said I wanted to make sure I did that correctly, and I yeah, I think he didn't quote out here, but I believe this is the literally the intersection that has the highest number of like vehicle mentalities in the city or something like that in division zero or the road safety plan.

It is quite high, or I don't know if it was the highest, but it was yes, it was substantial.

Yeah, so it's it's yeah, I think it's actually a I think these will reduce vehicles.

I think it's significant.

Did I interpret the staff report to C to C correctly that a significant number of questions for people running red lights just straight through the intersection?

Yeah, and not like turning, right?

It's just people just driving straight through correctly.

You're trying to make the light.

Yeah.

Um, I would going back to the median comment, I would just add that along with looking at incorporating a median island or refuge island.

Um the other kind of other design alternative that is also also looked at is simply giving pedestrians a long green light to cross the intersection so they're not stuck in the books.

We don't get pedestrians having to wait through an entire second.

So that's another design accommodation.

It's a little bit different than El Camino because El Camino is so preferential to volume going up and down El Camino, those crossings can be uh very long.

This one here, we have a little bit more latitude to complete what the sort of something, but who do you care about it as I found on it?

You know, is that sometimes the nights go on the fridge?

And that's pretty much you pretty much have to do with two step crossing.

If it's if you're crazy enough to to have to do this, but it's uh there's no way to cross in one sitting because uh when when the lights don't work, it's pretty much a forward stop.

Yes, just yes, you know, yeah.

So this project does include updating as as Joy mentioned, the uh technology.

So hopefully we won't have those same same considerations.

Yeah, yeah.

We will make sure that the pedestrian phase um is accommodated with the appropriate amount of time.

Definitely long time, you know, that uh twice in a row, I mean, yeah, I don't and I don't know what the was not fun at all.

So that is that's an electrical or what or what happened there, but um upgrading the signals will help make sure that we've got the right technology there.

And one other clarifying question was just on the cost.

I know in the CTC, but I think I may email you about there was some numbers that maybe I just they mapped different things than I expected.

I saw some spots for return to three said construction cost of 2.4 million.

And then the table you showed had like construction cost was 11 point something and the total was 24.

Was I I I that confused me.

Um is the I don't recall if it was two or three million, um, but that was the original, that was the cost for the original alternative three, which only considered the cost of technology only improvements.

When the other alternatives were eliminated, we refined alternative three and included um improvements, bike pit improvements along Middlefield Road, as well as the westbound frontage road, because that was part of um the can one of the conflicting movements that was creating the higher than statewide average um conflicts that the intersection.

Okay, that helps.

So that's where we have the 11 point something million construction cost and the 24.8 includes design costs and right-of-way and other things.

Okay, thank you.

Um, anything else version of this?

I'm just uh curious here.

Is it no term no right to an alpha?

Is that just um it's just only existent or we based on you guys' uh uh likeness that uh only because it should be the only because bicycles are uh riding, or is it just is it common to gonna be for the future?

So, we're gonna try and interpret uh so I think uh the question is when do we apply right no right on red?

Yeah, what would it apply?

And um, so what that is one of the policies that we have put forth in the package transportation plan, and we will further evaluate a more a metric for what how what we look at as we um add signage and enforcement for no right on red.

No write on red is can be safer for pedestrians, bicycles, and vehicles.

So it will we'll have to look at all that.

It's based on speed, but it also can change traffic patterns, so all of that will have to be evaluated at location.

So it's not a blanket.

We can put it everywhere, we will have to evaluate on a case by case basis, and as part of the ETP, we're gonna come up with some sort of more um scientific method of how we uh apply those that signage from something.

So the study's gonna be done on you.

Should we move to the remainder of our presentation?

Yeah, thank you.

I should get myself once up with the I think that is the work plan.

Yeah.

Parts of the parks and buildings the IP, yeah.

It's probably a basically.

Okay.

So two updates.

First one, I wanted to provide an update on the community shuttle service.

Okay.

And I'm gonna read.

So uh the shuttle services for Mountain View Community Shuttle and MVGO have been suspended since June 18th due to the expiration of the shuttle operators California Public Utilities Commission license, CPUC.

The shuttle operator drive you is taking steps to restore their state certification.

The Mountain View Transportation Management Association who manages the shuttle operator does not have a firm date for when the shuttle services will be restored.

Per the Mount View Transportation Management Association, Uber vouchers are available to riders due to the service disruption.

The Uber vouchers for shuttle riders are only usable for trips within Mountain View and during the shuttle service operating hours.

And that is the completeness of the information I have for you.

Um I also wanted to mention that the council neighborhoods committee meeting is happening tomorrow night.

Uh serving the Ringstorff uh shoreline San Antonio San Antonio community.

It will be held at the Redwood Room Mountain View Community Center at 6 30 p.m.

This is an opportunity for community members to ask questions of staff and have staff answer those questions live and in person.

And those are my two staff and updates.

I'm wondering how I don't know if I write your license, but it's a question for you.

Yeah, there will be there will be a full postmortum once we are back up and running.

Yes.

You probably must be happy about this.

All right.

Um then do we have any public comments on any of the staff report?

Anything online.

Nope.

No.

All right.

Uh and there's no action required.

I guess any.

Um, and we'll move to item 7.2 committee uh comments.

So I will provide the back update.

I have your slides.

Let me open them up.

I thought I had your slide.

There were two meetings since our prior meetings since we did not, I believe, have a May Mount VAC meeting, with my memory is gone.

Um my gosh.

Okay.

I think it't want to hold on a one or something.

Oh, it did.

Okay, this is actually good because I'm I'm going into Teams to get the slides, and I just didn't want to.

There it is.

I downloaded this.

Oh.

Or you can just do this.

Oh, yeah.

Never mind.

Authenticator coming up.

It's just the same.

I'll do it.

I can do it.

I can just give this verbally.

Yeah.

We will figure out the technology for the next meeting.

We'll do a practice run through.

Figure out it for this.

Okay.

So I have it open.

Move it over.

Can I actually move it?

Oh.

All right.

So at the May BTA meeting, there were a variety of items.

I tried to call out the interesting ones here.

Um they included an update on the congestion management program reporting on SINT, which is interesting because there's some funding with VTAS to maintain level of service standards regarding congestion.

Um, even though other aspects of state law have made it so that uh there's less reliance on the whole service standards.

I'm not actually entirely clear myself on how much flexibility VTA has to define those standards itself.

Though there's also an update on some of the OBAC 3 funded projects, including um our I believe our Moffitt and Middlefield HDs projects, which are receiving OBAC 3.

Um there's another SB63 uh local funding plan update.

SBD63 is the refers to the uh transit sales tax ballot measure, which I'm not actually sure if it's officially qualified for the ballot in November yet, but it I believe it's expected to because they submitted a large number of signatures.

Um it is SB63 is not as immediately developed for um like active transportation infrastructure projects since it's mostly focused on transit itself.

Transit obviously tends to interact well with active transportation.

Um and most of the VPAC input on that was encouraging the focus on uh transit overall transit service levels like running lots of buses and trains and transit speed with things like transit signal priority.

Um, which is indeed most a lot of the focus of the draft.

Um there are some items in the local funding plan about uh innovation-based programs though that are not necessarily just focused on uh the service itself, more focused on exploring new technology.

Um there is then a update on a very preliminary or like not a yeah, not at all finalized thing related to the Sona corridor, which is a rail corridor that serves the permanente quarry or not shutting down, so the rail line is less need to exist, but it turns out that it'll actually still exist for a while because uh RSL from Galaxy's two extensions actually using the rail border for uh uh dumping dirt from the tunnels, as far as from what I understand.

Um but so they're gonna dump it in the right here.

I think so.

I'm not gonna I didn't ask, I I think it was mentioned at the meeting, but my memory is not serving me quite well enough right now.

I remember those products, but I should have I don't know.

Um, there's a line.

And there was some discussion at the VPAC meeting about whether it would make more sense, whether it's we should be preserving the rail port or for transit in spots that the right way is really narrow and not trying to actually decommission the rail line entirely, but that was not really the VTA VEX calls make.

So as I said, that project is very rose if you're interested in it, go look up the project.

Uh and the next slide.

The June meeting was a special meeting for reviewing OBAC for complete streets checklists like we did earlier in this meeting, but for any cities or projects that were not able to make it to their city specific VPAs.

So we had 13 total items, I believe.

And we just ran through them as quickly as we could.

Um it helped that there was a batch of five projects for each of the county expressways for doing feasibility studies on class one bike paths along those corridors.

Um, and then there were a variety of other objects that I listed there.

Um, some of all of which are at slightly different stages.

Or the checklist plus the attachments that were provided in the meeting.

And some of the projects also seemed like they were delayed or put in infrastructure that was less all ages and abilities due to community input.

There was a relatively interesting one in the case of Saratoga Santa Road where the staff specifically referenced not putting in vertical delineation due to some local local feedback they got from some cyclists, was that they actually prefer not to have multi-lineation.

That is a corridor that's currently primarily used by recreational site lists.

So you knew what was going to happen when the project happened, and which also clearly focused on safety improvements, rather than I don't know, being a bigger project that only had safety or improvements, such as a small piece of it.

Um I guess the ADA transition plan actually was a strong one that wasn't necessarily safety improvements per se, but actually I thought it was a very strong project because it had a lot of time scope.

Yeah.

And I think two, I think uh uh Lauren's assessment of our projects earlier is probably fair in terms of where we were standing relative to what at least I've seen that.

We have some good projects in our OPEC, uh, in our OBAC applications, but there's a lot of other projects out there, so well seen.

Um but also how you fill out the grant application clearly does matter.

To give grace to the applicants, the timeline.

Oh, yes, the timeline for filling out the C Street's checklist was kind of very short.

Yeah.

Um because I think the application it was it was just a few weeks, like three weeks or something.

Yes, we also heard concern mentions that apparently the MTC portal was actually very difficult to use.

Um, so there was it sounds like literally it was difficult to go in and reword things or revise things.

Oh, interesting.

Okay.

That may have varied by applicant.

I don't know.

I think it might have varied by applicant.

I haven't had those issues, but I it does take a look at that.

Thank you.

Yes, you're like plan for it.

And we will.

Um I I think MTC is understanding what it means to review and accommodate.

I don't know, what do you think?

200, 250 projects.

So is it because it's the whole nine counting Bay Area that's applying for the projects going through that portal?

Yeah, and to the speed, in a very short amount of time.

I mean, yeah, do you think it's it was self-inflicted?

Yeah, yeah.

Maybe on breakfast.

Yeah, with the thing, the the San Jose project that's listed there.

I think that was a situation where Santa Fe went through most of their VTF with their VPAC, but then this project.

So they realized last minute that they wanted to apply for funding because it was a good opportunity.

So they sent it to the VTA VPAC, and that would include very little detail in that in the checklist.

I suspect it, but I suspect that's SOA.

They may have decided the week or a few days before basically to do it.

Um anyways.

Well, they'll fill out.

They'll fill out by the time they're doing it.

Were there any questions on VTB performance?

I've been surprised about the expressways projects.

I mean, we're very like for.

It's for feasibility studies.

So it's a very early stage.

It was a explore class one bike pass along.

Oh, okay.

So so it should provide the display and improvements on X price web.

I think it's not a second long default U Express.

Yeah, sorry, I did not make that clear in my mind.

Yes, it was, it was for a bike and uh PED projects.

Um, so we extended that DT Inc.

and proposed projects, and they are the one deciding.

Do they get kind of a bag up?

Um so the way the way the I've I've participated in several of the scoring committees of ATA, and if your jurisdictions project comes up, you refuse yourself.

You don't even you don't even speak about the project and you often will leave the room or Zoom, and so you will not actually score or have the ability to defend your project.

And that's for they do that for any of the.

So that's at the MTC level.

Well, the that's at the first.

Yeah, VT does the first round of scoring, and so they'll convene a scoring uh group to do the work and they'll ask people to recuse themselves from their projects.

Remind me though, usually when BTA has it, they it's not made up of only VT staff.

Oh, yeah.

Sorry, I think so.

Yeah.

We have members from Mount View.

We've had staff from Mount who have participated at scoring members of grant applications.

So when our grants go in, they can't score ours just like VTA members can't score theirs.

But it is made up of all of the county represented bodies.

That makes sense.

Yeah, it's not just not out of the key.

Yeah, I should have clarified.

You were completely right.

They request volunteer staff to do.

So we tried as Mount View, we try and pull somebody on there.

Okay.

I can do it.

That had been pretty we we've had staff.

It's actually really excellent if you're ever getting into transportation as a career.

It's a really excellent way to sort of see how grant applications can be done really well and not so well.

Yeah.

And then it helps us as we move forward.

We know what our college.

That's true.

Okay.

So the majority Republican or Democrat.

Yeah.

All right.

Um, is there any are there any other committee updates regarding things in the community or deception?

Yeah, I I had one.

I think I heard that there was a big grant that the CT got for uh both housing and and transportation.

And I'm not sure if you have details on what the transportation costs are.

I do and I don't have them right in front of me, so I want to be careful.

Um I believe you're referring to the ASICs grant that we have.

Yeah, it was the whatever.

So I think it is a large, it is a large grant.

It is for a development on a city-owned property that will be primarily low um income.

I believe we are using some of that money for middle field, but I'm not I'm here.

I would have it.

We'd have to go back and look.

But basically, yeah, um the way it worked is it had to be a project within a half mile radius of the development, and we got additional points in the grant application for adding um bus stops.

So I think we added uh there's several bus stops being added.

There's uh a couple shuttle stops being added as well, and then it aligns with a bike project we already had as part of our CIP.

So that helps on some of our funding for other projects now that that freeze up.

So the housing is on everything, so it is, it is on Evelyn.

That is correct.

Yeah.

Um I guess procedurally, any members of public online to comment on this committee comments.

No.

Okay, but that we will move to item eight, the date and time the next meeting is uh is August 18th or Tuesday, which is at normal.

Um, so make sure that's on your calendars.

We then have additional meetings in September and future months as normal.

Um and with that, we are adjourned at 8 40 PM.

Great.

Thank you.

Very good job on the tanking to do.