Good afternoon.

Welcome to the August 22nd, 2025 City of Napa regular meeting for the First Street Napa Phase 2 Design Review Committee.

I would like to call this meeting to order and ask staff to conduct the roll call.

Commissioner Myers.

And Vice Chair Owen here.

The First Street Napa Phase 2 Design Review Committee conducts all meetings in accordance with the Ralph M.

Brown Act, California Government Code Sections 54950 at SEC, and pursuant to the city's rules of order for committee meetings, policy resolution 10.

The purpose of this committee is limited to providing input to the city manager on the implementation of the design guidelines of First Street Napa Phase 2.

Therefore, public comment is limited to this subject.

Therefore, we will defer public comment to after the staff and developer presentations in the item on the agenda.

Administrative report items include reports and recommendations from city staff that do not require a public hearing prior to action by the committee.

Only the committee may authorize public input for these items.

It is within the discretion of the vice chair and committee to allow public testimony.

Today we have item 3A First Street Napa Phase 2 Design Review Committee.

See Agenda.

We will now hear a report from the staff.

So I will go next, and I'm gonna say as city manager, I'd like to begin by formally acknowledging that this advisory committee has been convened in accordance with the City Council's resolution and in full compliance with the Ralph M.

Brown Act.

This committee is comprised of less than a quorum of the planning commission and includes other designees as authorized.

The purpose of today's meeting is to receive your input and assistance during the design review process.

Specifically, we are seeking your feedback and design related guidance to help evaluate the project's conformance with the approved design guidelines and planned development standards.

Your contributions today are advisory in nature and will help staff review and recommend recommendations moving forward.

We appreciate your time and expertise.

With that, I will now turn it over to Ryder Dilly, acting senior planner, who will walk us through the project details.

Thank you, Steve.

So, what we'll try to do is go through this presentation rather quickly.

Most of the slides are for reference, so we can go back to the slides should you have be interested in discussing them.

I won't be spending a lot of time going through each slide, but I'll just mention the slides that we do have, the plans that we have the ability to reference.

If we need to get more granular, we can refer to the actual attachments.

But I did want to mention that you know on Wednesday we did convey a memorandum, just as showing attachment five, which has the public art for the valet booth.

Project site is holistically located at 1116 First Street.

The purpose of this committee was established by City Council through ordinance 2025-009.

As Steve mentioned, that the purpose of this is to contribute any professional insights, community perspectives in evaluating the design review permit.

The design review permit application was submitted on August 8th.

The slide here shows the overall site plan of the site, including the public improvements, shows both the hotel building and the residential building at a higher scale.

Brown Street facing south along the Brown Street corridor, the pedestrian paseo that runs between the residential building and the hotel building, the conservatory on the interior of the building.

Here's a rendering of Main Street facing southwest towards the buildings.

You'll see the 9-11 memorial public art that exists there today and a revised entrance to the project site and parking lot.

Some overall elevations of the north side of the building and the south side of the buildings showing the existing Gordon building for reference.

We do have some hotel elevations for each side.

Residential elevations for each side.

And should we need to go back to it?

We have a material legend for the elevation shown here.

And I believe the architect has submitted and provided actual physical materials.

Should you want to look at those.

Um shows both the Brown Street corridor improvements and the parking lot.

I have provided some materials based off of the manufacturers that were listed.

Keep in mind that's subject to change depending on supply and availability, but the materials can meet the intent of what they're trying to convey.

So just be advised that this could change based on supply issues, but it would be pretty consistent with what they're showing here.

So that is some pavers, some additional pavers closer to the restaurant space, some permeable pavers between the valet area, so wood decking with a stage, bicycle racks that are next to the valet booth.

This hardscape plan shows the hardscaping along both First Street and Coombe Street.

And this one shows the pedestrian paseo.

These material examples show cobblestone and the pavers that are proposed along the paseo.

There are two different paver types between the cobblestone for variation in color.

Hotel level two and seven.

Tree plans, and if we need to get more granular on that, I'd recommend we refer to the actual attachments if it any comments specific to the species of trees listed here.

What I would say is so there's a red note on the landscape plans, it's not really an item that's being addressed with the applicant here today.

It's more of a concern with Napa County landmarks and potential impacts to that building with the existing Magnolia tree.

Further north along Brown Street Corridor.

And then again, the various levels of both the residential and hotel building.

Same thing with the planting plans.

The purpose of this is to kind of show where there's going to be planting, more or less, but if we need to get granular about the selection, we can dive into the attachments, and then to kind of wrap it up, this is the public art that is being proposed.

Here's a rendering of the public art for the valet booth and a schematic that shows the public art.

So again, just to kind of direct your attention.

The purpose of this is to kind of determine consistency and focus on the aesthetics and design as it pertains to this project and consistency with the design guidelines that were adopted by council.

We're not going to get into the technical discussions of traffic, off site improvements, ref user operation.

The use itself has already been approved.

So it's more so how it's being designed aesthetically, what comments can be provided to Steve, uh, city manager who ultimately holds that discretion for the design review permit.

And that concludes my presentation.

So if you have any questions, feel free.

Right, or do we want to introduce city staff in the audience just uh because I don't think they're always here at planning commission meetings, so they're here as referen as um experts too.

Of course.

So we have Tim Wood, who's a regular attendee at Planning Commission of Public Works Department, Jeff Kiddings with our parks and recreation.

He's gonna have more comments related to obviously the public improvements, but maintenance of a lot of the trees and um landscaping that goes into it, and then Julie was our public works director.

And then with the applicants team, we have their architect and Cam who represents the applicant.

Does the developer have any in any introductory comments or items to share at this time?

No.

It's just on my list to ask you.

Okay, now we're good.

Is there any member of the public that would like to make comment on the design review?

Comments are limited to three minutes.

There are no members of the public here.

I don't have a lot another line other than adjournment.

No.

So if.

So yeah, open to you all for your questions.

Uh for either staff or for the uh the applicant or the architect.

Anything you'd like to look at furthermore, uh what you've seen and what your thoughts are.

Um, would you like to start, Commissioner Myers?

Sure, have some notes.

Um, I can go back to the site plan to start.

Sure, that would be great.

Thanks.

Um, so m some areas that I want to look at primarily are obviously in the you know, public use areas, right?

Um, maybe starting on the north uh east corner up by where the bridge crosses over from existing park and kind of where the Brown Street corridor starts, they're on the left, right?

Left, right?

Um how narrow does the actual walkway get, you know, in when you're going around the stage and then proceeding toward um the 9-11 memorial.

It looks like it really gets pretty thin right at the corner of the condo building.

I'm just wondering how skinny is it?

Are you talking about um right next to the stage or over towards the right there?

Yeah, right kind of right next to the stage.

Yeah.

Uh, it does shrink down, although I think it's a bit deceiving.

I would have to take an actual measurement from the plans, but I want to say it's somewhere between eight and twelve feet.

Okay.

Uh, in terms of width in between there.

Um, is the overall width of that corridor?

It's like 40 or 50 feet, somewhere in that range generally.

So to give you a frame of reference, if you were to look at the hotel lobby across to the Nash or the first national bank building, that's about 66 feet in terms of overall width.

So if you project that down across, I would say the average width of access throughout you get past that stage is approximately 15, 15 to 20 as you widen out towards the bridge.

And then um just due to some of the site constraints, it narrows down as you come down into the building and start to go through the colonnade, um, to get connect over to Pearl Street.

How what's the diameter of the stage?

I would have to pull a specific measurement.

If I were to look just kind of proportionally on that, I would say it's somewhere between 35 and 40 feet.

Okay.

What's to the left of the stage?

That gray sort of we are required to um hold a fair bit of bioretention for uh stormwater treatment.

And one of the intents with the landscape architect is to really make that more ornamental so that while it's native plants that can really be um utilized in that, it's not something that you're looking at just a kind of open pit.

It is gonna be um filled with natural grasses of differing kinds to create more interest.

Okay.

And then to the area uh on the hotel building that is sort of circular there right below Ryder's cursor, what is that part of the building, or is that part of the paving?

I'm sorry that I don't know.

Yeah, no, that that is hardscape paving.

Um, and it acts as a terrace um for that tenant restaurant.

Oh, that is still to be defined.

I would say 85% of it sits within the property line.

There is a continuation of that arc that extends beyond the property line just from a formal gesture.

Um and if you if you were to go into a zoomed-in one, if you look at those last two kind of movable planters and they kind of create that arc um at the top, that's approximately where the property line comes in.

I don't know if you can move your cursor to.

Yeah, so just to the left, like that right there is a is a planter.

The the property line kind of cuts right through that.

Oh, I see.

Okay.

And so that'll be sort of fenced, like within it's not not fenced.

Um the those planters are meant to help define the space.

Um, but it isn't meant to be a hard um gate or or fence between them.

We we want permeability.

We want people from Brown Street to be able to come in and either enter the restaurant through there, I mean, ideally through the front door, but you could get access through that.

So it's meant to be permeable.

Okay, so it's but it's restaurant like seating area, not walking area.

Okay.

Yeah, and right now that the the plans show the custom planters or like fiberglass planters.

We don't have the specs because they are custom, but I think that the rendering probably shows a good idea of the space, maybe not the planner type as a result, but kind of that it's a break of space, but not like firm footing.

Okay.

Hey, Ryder, could we go to maybe like um something that focuses more on the stage?

Yeah.

I think might want to might want to go to a rendering.

Do you or you want to look at it from like a bird's eye view?

Yeah, sorry.

I'm on the second sheet of landscape.

That's great.

So part of what I'm wondering about the orientation of these elements is if the walkway is so narrow there, and the stage is so wide, is what is the stage playing to?

You know what I mean?

Because if I'm thinking about the Paseo and the stage and the 9-11 memorial as sort of being the um public's alternative to to the public space they used to have.

Not that it's gonna function in the same way, but the way it is gonna function, it seems like the stage's presence and really ability of people to enjoy whatever is on the stage is kind of restricted because the walkway gets really narrow right there, and then the restaurant patio, it comes in.

I guess the stage is not really functional for observing a musical performance.

It's really more just for like an ambiance type.

I I would I would say as uh stage is a kind of one way that we've been describing.

It's really more of a flexible elevated public seating area.

I think predominantly during the day, um, it is intended to be inhabited by the public, and whether you're grabbing a snack or something sitting under the existing tree.

Because there's that existing oak tree there, we wanted to emphasize that the stage is some way that we could kind of build around it and kind of celebrate being under that canopy.

So, yes, you could set up a temporary uh performance there on like an as needed basis.

But I think the day to day use of it is really intended to be used by the public.

Like a seating area and just sort of a chill spot, not not really a performance spot.

Hundred percent, okay.

Commissioner Myers, just if I can add to that, I think part of the um reasoning for the elevation of it uh is that Dwight Marie Plaza has an elevated platform now uh that serves as a busking spot, um pretty popular busking spot in downtown.

And so I think it was a little bit to still maintain that opportunity to have musicians who as you're walking through or by, maybe not gathering to watch but in the immediate area, but as the architect said, it also has a dual purpose as as a seating area.

So it's more just an ambiance thing and not so much like you wouldn't have a band for blues, brews, correct.

Okay.

Yeah, it's not uh you know, yeah, it's not a performing art stage, it's not equipped to be any of those things.

It's more the elevated area for if you wanted to have live music or something tree lighting, you know, whatever y you end up doing, but that it it it functions as a day to day basis as a as a public gathering space as well.

Got it.

Okay.

That makes more sense than than you know, my brain was cloud classifying it as like a performing stage and that didn't make a lot of sense.

Okay.

So then um what what is the white area now below that?

Below the the walkway, kind of in between right below right across the walkway, below rider's cursor, that that pod that.

So that that's more bioretention.

Okay.

Yeah.

Okay, they just look different on the Yeah, two two different plans with this.

Uh the overall site plan had more of that the texture in it, this zoomed in and this is more just the graphics for what you get at a CAD.

Okay.

Um, so you know, if I had my druthers, I would love to see if if I'm looking at the design of the walkway, if it w weren't quite so narrow there just because it might kind of bottleneck people from walking through.

But then again it's hard to it's hard to judge.

Um what do you think, Lindsay?

It's it's hard because the scale is so much larger that I think the human scale when you're in it will feel good.

And there's still I I want to say I read there's a minimum of five feet of clearance on the Browns Street in the design guidelines of like no impediment of stuff.

Oh yeah.

So I mean you guys are beyond that, but um because it's not a performance stage, if it was that wouldn't make sense.

But in the way it you know, that white blob you're seeing, that will actually be like s look like softened landscape.

So I don't feel I don't think you'll feel as bottlenecked as the image looks to you.

Is it sunken the bio?

It it is.

Okay.

It is so there's enough to just capture the water when when it needs to kind of filter down.

Do you have some growies in there that live in the Yeah, so it's all planted.

It's all planted.

I know um in the design guidelines there are examples of more ornamental bioretention.

Um it won't be a building facade that's squishing you, which it looks like.

That's kind of what I was wondering.

If you want, I can pull up the planting plan too, and it kind of shows that there are plantings.

That's where those are okay.

What's the um stage material?

A wood deck.

Wood is it like what ePay wood or something hard or uh we we often use thermary just for um which is a a kind of fire treated wood.

It has a little bit more durability to it and and weathers nicely.

Um I know that's a collaboration with the landscape architect that we need to go look at the specific spec of that.

There is maintenance with wood.

Yeah.

But as long as our maintenance team will be taking care of that wood.

Actually that just to answer that question, uh the the developer has maintenance responsibility through a maintenance agreement of of the public spaces.

I mean, I love the warmth of wood and having a different material out there.

It's a softer, more like inviting come sit on me material or hang with me material.

Um so great, you guys will take care of it.

Can um can you show me the tree planting area in the Brown Street corridor that is next to the um bank building.

Yeah.

Okay can can could you tell us more about that.

Is it uh just uh and what's in the middle there.

So the the kind of the arrival experience is that sits directly opposite the hotel lobby entrance.

Center to that is a water feature that's really intended to be almost like a water table that could be used um for specific events and you can actually sit at it.

You can put wine bottles within the water feature do like a midnight dinner type scenario flanking that water feature are ancient olive trees so very similar to say like Yauntville restoration hardware um that type of intent for those trees can I tag on to that um in the landscape plans just north of the olive trees it says outdoor dining I'm assuming for allegria but nothing is really defined on how that ties in with that feature.

I don't know if you have a resolution yet on that.

On the second page of the landscape plans it says outdoor dining just south of Allegria.

Just north of those olive trees that you have circled there.

Yeah I I do think we're at least assuming they're going to continue some form of their outdoor dining along that so in terms of being able to utilize that plaza and kind of benefit from the improvements of it but we would assume that they're still gonna have some tables on the lookout into those olive trees.

That'll be pretty for them.

So that just uh to jump in there and then actually I do want to bring attention to the red circle since we're now on the um olive grove and see if Jeff has anything he wants to add to it.

The the licensing agreement for outdoor dining with Allegria is through the city not through the developer and what's currently there in our current license agreement is is removed through this part and then we go through a process with them which will be a separate application for what they want their outdoor dining to look like and we've already been talking with the building owner the bank building owner which is the landmarks group of you know what they want that to look like too and try to disrupt their uh outdoor dining as little as possible during construction so that will actually be a separate complete separate um agreement with the city of Napa.

I did want to just since we're here um the red circle this there's two red that red circle the two red circles are at the same place now is a magnolia tree that has been there for quite some time.

Just wanted to highlight for this committee that uh not a developer request but the landmarks the building owner of of Allegria's building uh has asked us to take a look at it and potentially remove the Magnolia tree because they are afraid it is going to impact uh their building and the historic integrity of their building uh as it continues to grow um developer has and has said we're willing to add it to the plans but also made it clear in the note that you see there that it was an ask of the building owner um Jeff I don't know just we'll make Jeff talk just because he he's here on a Friday afternoon I don't know if you have any thoughts on that um and we'll be working with the building owner on that too but just wanted to give you the opportunity to talk about that.

Good afternoon nice to meet you too again Jeff Kiddings I'm the Parks and Urban Forestry manager.

So it's very common that I look at um the landscape features for these development projects.

But in regards to that tree um this project's obviously moving quickly information is coming out quickly and and things kind of come to the top as they do with this tree.

And so really it was it was pretty new to me the other day we took some initial looks at the tree um again not part of the developers asked it is a nice tree but I think some of our concerns are how it's going to work with the new space and how it could survive the construction of that new space so we're gonna continue to kind of work with um with the owner of that property and and see um you know obviously they've made their ass but we're gonna continue to work with them and see kind of what what they may hope for that space.

I mean based on what I'm seeing here it's it's it's definitely a squeeze space with a pretty large tree so there's going to be some inherent challenges with that.

But again it's you know doing our due diligence um to make sure that there's you know good sound reason behind you know approving a removal if that's the if that's the way we go so and then with that happy to answer any other questions in regards to that tree or the others as well.

So since we're on that piece just wanted to throw that out there that that was an ask see if there's any strong feelings from this committee on it as Jeff continues his work in our talk with the property owner um adjacent property owner on that tree and thoughts on whether it stays or cuts.

And just just for your consideration it's it's although this is a development it's very common for us to do work in and around trees in in hardscape and it's it can be stressful and it can be difficult on that tree when there's that much work performed in and around it.

So just something to consider whether you know feelings are either way on the tree there is just some determining factors that make it make it challenging um to do especially if we're talking elevations and those are some things I think that are coming out but as we talk elevations if we start to to build up or worse start to dig down for Rscape that's where we can run into a significant issue where where we have to go with maybe the removal.

I don't have any feelings that that tree needs to stay I appreciate you keeping the oak tree that one I would have feelings for um magnolias drop a lot and so there's that addition to for this being a major pedestrian area now I'm fine with it being removed and adding the six olives.

Yeah it seems a little inconsistent with the overall theme of the improvements and um so if it has to go I it's not a personal concern.

Okay.

Did you have any other notes Mr Myers I have a couple more um what is the height of the sky bridge from on the underside on the underside from the floor to the you know when you're walking under it how how is it like so um kind of working backwards here from our assemblies.

I believe we're approximately 15 feet clear um underneath from the Paseo side we are making up some slight elevation differences between the two buildings which is why it's kind of built up along with some other structure and servicing.

But yeah.

Okay.

Part of the the overarching theme of my questions for your understanding of why I'm asking these questions is my my concern and something I talked to a couple of people about that showed this concern is that the public areas should feel like public areas and should not feel like extensions of hotel areas, right?

And so to the extent that there are psychological barriers or physical changes that might give an impression that you're going into a private area it could impede the public's use of those areas.

So you know an analogy I used was sort of if you go to like a beach resort and they go onto the beach and they put all the chairs and the umbrellas in the sand and then people don't feel like they can use that part of the beach I would really hate to see that happen with the Brown Street corridor um with the Paseo which really is a public area um and isn't part of the hotel and with um you know parts of like the parking drop off area stuff like that to to where any sort of imposition that changes the tone of use I don't want to have a quieting effect on non-hotel guests utilization of it.

That's the whole concept of why I was asking about the height, it does seem pretty I mean it's not it's not like it's a gate, um and similarly with the bottlenecking and the questions about things that were in the middle of the walkway, the the the um olive trees and stuff like that.

I just want to make sure that we're keeping an eye on things as public space.

Right.

So um I guess let's see, oh so along the same line, is there a change in material and color when you're on the Brown Street corridor and then transitioning into the Paseo for the for the paving, or is it the same?

The paving pattern is largely the same.

It's a continuation of what you get on Brown Street kind of all the way through.

Okay.

Um there are some accent pieces just to help celebrate central nodes within the paseo, for instance, adjacent to the water feature.

Um there's kind of a circular node that's then implied um with that.

But it is intended to be consistent with the the Brown Street.

So as you walk from the first street mall through that up to Brown Street, as far as a paving is concerned, you're really not seeing anything different.

Okay, cool.

Yeah.

Um Commissioner Meyer, can I just ask a clarifying question um so that our notes are um good?

Um think about First Street MAPA, the that Paseo for lack of a better word that you know runs between the businesses.

They do have a lot of like exactly what you said umbrellas, tables, chairs, that at least to me seem publicly inviting.

Can you just comment on how you see is that a is that a good thing?

I'm just trying to get some context on something that we have an example of currently.

Since you mentioned the beach umbrella scenario, which makes a makes a lot of sense.

You know, that's uh, but thinking of that there are tables and things in the middle that could look like they're part of a restaurant.

I don't think it's uh uh necessarily inherently an encumbrance, and and I, you know, you think about um places you go that do well, for example, Brown Street adjacent between the parking lot and um what the the Mexican restaurant, Don Perico, it had planners and art installations and it didn't interfere.

So I don't think it necessarily impedes.

Um I just want to be sure that it's it's looked at that it's not giving the impression of private hotel space.

That's all.

Yeah, to tag on if it's a business that's uh using one of those bottom floors that has an extension of their name, it's different than having hotel branding in the public space.

Um I think one more thing I'd like to look at.

Um Ryder, if you could pull up the art that was a part of the um supplement.

Supplemental memo.

So I think this is a really cool um just atmosphere that will will really improve the backside of that building.

I like I like it a lot.

My question though is the well, two questions.

Is it a real live wall or is it artificial plantings?

I think uh that is yet to be determined with an artist.

However, we did, or in the discussions we've had, it could be a mix of both, so that when it's closer to ground where you're gonna experience it, could be live, and then from a maintenance standpoint, yeah, you go with an artificial one up above.

It kind of feels like any time you see a live wall that's over five years old, it's half live.

That's a lot that's a lot of maintenance.

Yeah.

Um I also I just one thing.

I asked the similar question when we received it as well as what's the intent.

Uh and the other point that was noted to me is you know, during seasonal opportunities to to weave in or build in seasonal um fake artificial plants and things that that add to whatever the feel of the season is too.

Okay, and then the other thing is something that um I raised uh with with uh a colleague, which is the the signage down below on the lower portion of the live wall where it says hotel.

Again, that goes to my concern that if that is a a hotel branded sign, my understanding is that this area is a pickup and drop off and ballet stand ostensibly for whomever.

If if if it's branded as hotel area with a hotel sign on it, I perceive that as giving the impression of exclusive hotel use.

And so that's a concern to me.

Um, because that's in the public area, it's part of the the landmarks back house.

Um I would really like to see that not branded as hotel.

Especially because the intent is for anybody to use this right to access downtown.

You wait for your Uber there, right?

Isn't that the idea?

Or valet and then go somewhere downtown if you're not staying at the hotel.

Yeah, I think for this image it's more of an indicative placeholder, but noted in terms of the whether it's specific for that or if it wants its own identity.

Okay.

Yeah.

'Cause in the rendering, if you zoom in it says hotel, which I understand is an artistic placeholder, but what I would say is typically from a staff level we do try to differentiate what is signage and public art.

Typically there's there's can it it gets a little confusing sometimes with um retail businesses that want to paint signage along their walls and their limitations to that based on code.

Um but if I guess if the proposal was to convey that this is utilized primarily for valet.

So there's a component of it that is operational.

Um but then there's a component that is public art, and would you I guess the question for Cam is would you separate the bottom from the top of public art versus?

I think this is an illustration of what's happening to the public art and the public art is not the entire ballet system.

You know, this is something that Gordon came up with.

This isn't necessarily proposal.

So that it's the top half is the art portion.

Cool.

Um and then I think the only other note I have is in still in this area uh in in the front part of the the loop, there are some planting spots, um next to main street.

Yeah, so is part of this is is it all um planted?

Is some of it seating area or or like do people are people intended to be in there in the middle of the white swath?

So there there are aspects of that that are taking up that that's specific area zone stormwater treatment.

The white space in the center is intended to be reinforced, although it is uh more of a permeable grassed over, so that you could do pop-up either events or um there's been discussion of maybe bringing in a vintage fire truck that relates to the 9-11 memorial just as like a centerpiece.

Um so it's more of a flexible uh area.

Oh, is that where the permeable pavers are or is that yeah, it is a permeable paver, it's more of a reinforced uh paver.

So it can take something that's a little bit heavier.

I gotcha.

Um for those permeable pavers uh how big is the space between?

Like can people walk on those, or is that intended for areas that you really wouldn't walk on?

Uh I I think that is just an indicative example that you've pulled from a a product manual, right?

Or did this come from the landscape specs?

Um both.

Okay.

There are there are differing ways of of doing this, and we're I know the landscape architect is using them in strategic areas both to mitigate stormwater and bioretention and still provide a pleasant area to walk on.

So yes, there are areas in which you are intended to walk on.

I would say that central main street is really more of a a flexible setup.

So if you wanted to put like a small market there, like a pop up tent, you could and it would still be comfortable.

I think you know, this is more seen as a display area for some sort of art installation or that.

There's not like crosswalks that are going across this driveway.

It's it's just to have a little bit of a base while maintaining green area.

Okay.

Um so yeah, whether it's the our installation cars, that's that's the intent.

Got it.

And I think to further clarify, so what why is it both is obviously this is from the manufacturer, the landscape or we don't have the sheet that shows the specific detail yet.

It I don't want this to convey that is grass that's going to be here because it doesn't show plantings right now.

We don't have the sheet that's typically a back end detail that we'll look at.

So I I don't want this to portray it as a grassy area, but that's the paver that's being utilized.

There's certain calculations that we make when we're doing when we're disturbing imperial space because we have bio treatment requirements now.

So having a permeable uh quantity with an impermeable gives you a calculation output and that's why there's a mix of biotreatment and permeable so that's that's what's happening there.

I think we're doing we've actually you know kudos to the team for doing so they made they put a lot of activation and program into an urban setting where biotreatment's needed so it's it's a very efficient design you're getting a lot out of I think to to add to that is there there is a section of the Hardscape plan that shows this particular type of paver um not specifically this kind of design format and orientation of it yet that there's sections that are permeable sections that are impermeable same paver installation varies.

Interesting.

Okay I don't have any more notes that's it from me.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Um first off I I dug through your design guidelines.

Um I love your materials.

I think these are great I love the color scheme.

It's timeless very durable your articulation your massing your stepping back I this project is fantastic.

All of the items um Commissioner Myers brought up I appreciate those and adding on the sensitivity when I looked at this as well as Myers is really the the community space because that was their hard hardship was giving up Dwight Murray Plaza.

I would love if you guys look into because it speaks to the public art that you're going to incorporate into this area if we could reuse some from the Dwight Murray Plaza that I know that the city has taken I think that would be a great nod to the community to kind of bring something familiar back into their space again.

I don't know if that's something possible.

Jeff I don't know if you have the answer to that I know they took the art I know that um not your division but another division of parks and rec took the um art it is in storage and I know that it'll go to the public art committee I believe to look at it.

Do you know anything more we might have to get you a front follow-up answer if we don't know more about that.

Specifically to Dwight Murray I'm just yeah some of the installations that were there it would be great to bring them back to the new public space.

Okay.

Rather than inventing new art in the Paseo or on Brown Street or wherever you guys you're gonna locate them per your design guidelines um it would be great to bring some of those back I think for the community.

Yeah I mean I I can give you kind of a tentative answer part of those because I know our team helped move it is recreation division runs our our art walk some of those were part of our art walk and we're pr and we're moved in preparation for the demo.

So I think we can take note of that and where possible and feasible we can look at bringing some of that that work back.

Great.

Yeah.

It is it's stored at the yard and Jeff I question for you is aren't some of those art pieces I mean the location was firm but they were rotated exactly so the art walk was always something that we rotated the bases were set and then could be moved again just to keep it kind of fresh and new.

So that theme could continue I think I think that there's a lot of options there for have you guys talked about specifically the lighted art festival because Dwight Murray Plaza was such a hub for that have you talked about how you'll integrate that with the new plan.

Um long term as far as with all the new improvements or just in the short term this year.

J long term long term if it's been a discussion you guys have had.

I mean it's it's always a discussion because as anyone that went to it you know we had the um many exhibits um kind of in the back of what was the Coles parking lot and the old bus depot.

We obviously used Dwight Murray.

Um, frankly, it was kind of a hard space to program because of the elevations.

Um, so that did make some of those things a challenge.

Uh, but it's always been kind of a central hub.

So I think the the hard part has been the the design coming at us kind of rather quickly.

Um, so really to put a program in that space, I think is is still a challenge to do that, but I think the intent is to reuse that space for maybe not just that event but others as well.

Great.

I think that suggestion of integrating some of the longstanding um sculptures is a really good idea.

Uh because some of those sculptures I even remember from, you know, like the late 80s as a kid walking by and like they've been around that specific zone for like 40 years or more.

That would be really nice thing to try and do.

We can pass that feedback on to um division and Jeff's department that works on that and and to the public art committee as well.

And I think just to add to that, one of the things that we've already talked with the developer about is you know, we have the lighted art festival and other things and how to incorporate that public space into some of the things we do art wise downtown.

I think that is one.

Give me a moment.

I that is all I have as well for today.

May I ask Molly, um, what sort of meeting regularity is this it?

Are there more?

Uh, how does what's the plan for for this?

So I think that's a question for you too, and what your comfort level is with what you've seen.

Uh we have all of the aesthetic pieces in, which is why we scheduled the meeting this day.

Um some of the pieces we're waiting for are more of the things that city staff will be looking at, um, in terms of code, um, you know, vision triangles, setbacks from buildings, uh, w uh waste management plan, six thing things like that.

So from an aesthetic visual design guideline perspective, we have a complete that part is complete from the developer.

So you have everything we have.

And uh if you would like to have a follow-up meeting, we certainly can.

If you both feel like you've provided your feedback and and um won't have any more, we can do that.

We can schedule something and and make the call a little bit later.

But we're uh we're trying to, not a hard deadline, but uh there's some deadlines in early October the developer would like to reach.

So we're trying to get all of our documentation and and paperwork in from them in the time frame.

So we would look to you for guidance on if you'd like to talk more with community members and have another chance at this, or if you want to let us know and we'll call it if we find that there's more input to be given.

We do need to do it publicly, so we will need, you know, at least a seven-day lead time on that.

Um is there a f is there any sort of like phasing or or is is this whole plan that we're looking at all the stuff right now, is it being presented for final approval at the same time?

How does that work?

Sorry that I don't know.

I'm sorry, it's well for example.

This is the project in its entirety.

Yes.

Yes.

It is.

But in terms of like uh decision making and final approvals, is it all coming through in the same pipeline at once, or is it like okay, this part's coming in in October and this part's coming in in?

It's it's our intention is to have it all at at one time.

Okay.

It's hard to approve something and then hold a piece of it for future and and not have it impact the other side.

So again, don't have a hard and fast timeline, but uh I it we're we're working on getting a complete package.

Sure.

Um you mean the we talked a lot about the hotel and the Paseo space.

Do you have any questions maybe on the residential space or maybe just a highlight of the materials on the residential building and how it may differ from the hotels?

Is that how does it different from the hotel.

No.

Um largely similar, although you'll notice the different brick colors.

Um we are using and a different primary brick color on the hotel, just to give the two buildings a slightly different um kind of feel from one another, so you can begin to identify the residents from the hotel.

Otherwise, generally this materials.

Yeah.

Otherwise, they're very consistent.

Same metals, paints, glass, stone.

I don't think I've ever entering everything.

In the Paseo at the end there, you know, at the at the top it's um got a lot of design and swoopiness and at the end it's just sort of a yeah rectangle.

What what's happening there?

Um that is actually another bio retention area.

I mean it's it's incredible how much we've managed to incorporate in this.

We did also see that as a potential opportunity for signage and wayfinding as you begin to enter that.

So it could be an inviting way in as you're coming from the first street mall through the Paseo.

I have a question to tag on to that because when I looked at it I thought oh that's that's great.

It's going to alert a pedestrian that they're coming to Coomb Street because now you've activated the residences and the hotel from Combs.

And is there any concern with the increase of traffic down that one way of Coombs?

I don't know.

It was just something that caught my attention um it's very heavily pedestrian right now because it's really just a few loading trucks that use that street.

There is a traffic study being done right now although I would say that connection of Coombs shouldn't see a significant increase in traffic, particularly during the day.

And you don't really even get access into the garage until you're really off Pearl.

So it should be minimal impact to that.

It is like you said predominantly pedestrian.

And and those are also permeable pavers or uh it varies um in the plan depending on where we need it.

I'd have to go look at the specific hardscape plan and the landscape to determine specifically which are permeable and which are not.

Well I'm just wondering the reason I ask is um does it impede the walkability at all?

No.

Okay.

That's the big question right.

Okay.

Um I don't know if you'd like to hear uh the the architect did mention it and this is one of the things that city staff is working on and waiting for but Tim or Julie do you want to talk a little bit about the purpose of the traffic study and and what may come from it and what it'll be looking at.

And then maybe we can tell you a little bit the other piece that we are still waiting for uh and working on we can talk a little bit about the waste management plan if you'd like to hear about that.

I had a question on that too we can get to um sure good uh good afternoon Tim Wood with Public Works.

Um so one of the things that um we require in the city for the general plan as far as traffic goes is uh a level of service analysis on intersections and there are going to be some change traffic patterns um primarily with the pickup and drop off areas um so there will be there was already a VMT analysis done and a traffic study done with the um the original uh approval that met the SQL requirements but it didn't meet the uh um the general plan requirements so we deferred that till this point um but those will be looking at the intersections that essentially surround the property main street and first street is the one that I'm most concerned about um but we're also looking at Pearl and Main Street um we're also looking at uh Coombe Street and Pearl Street um those are the three big ones that will have different turn moving turning movements um but uh the original traffic study on a gross level because of coals and the other commercial in there um had previously identified that it was pretty much um about the same overall daily traffic volumes but we want to make sure that like when people are coming into town um eastbound on First Street that it doesn't cue up because there's this big long line of cars trying to turn left so they can get into the pickup and drop off area so um that's part of the um completeness requirement for the design review, and if they need to, if there comes up with some recommendations for signal timing uh we do have a a site distance issue that we're that they're working on right now um those things may drive um a few conditions that um may be shown on this um or or maybe prevalent um but like signal timing, you won't notice that um if the traffic's running smooth, but um like I think we were talking about bulbing out one of the corners there at Coombs and Pearl Street to um to improve um the ability for pedestrians to cross there because there's a parking lot across the street and quite a bit of traffic, you know, or pedestrian traffic between the uh the parking garage and um all the other commercial downtown.

It's hard to visualize that corner with a big building on it.

It is, it really is because that's been a parking lot for a while.

So a lot of buildings will actually um modify that corner um so it's more of a diagonal there.

Um but there are some options to get the sidewalk wider and really you know get a get a vehicle out further so they can see both ways and whatnot.

So we're confident that the um that traffic studies gonna identify a few options there to um enhance that uh because that's really gonna be a pretty busy corner there.

Thank you.

Okay, for sure.

What do you think?

Oh, sure, for Brown Street.

Yeah, yeah.

We're um yeah, there's a couple of other um uh driving documents uh with the city uh bike and pedestrian plans.

So that's also gonna verify that it's compliant with those.

Um and I think one other thing that really hasn't been mentioned here because it is off the page, part of the development agreement is requiring a uh an enhanced mid-block crossing on Main Street.

So when you you can walk from First Street Napa all the way through the baseo, right by the um the 9-11 memorial, and then you can you'll be able to cross the street mid block between um First Street and Pearl Street, most likely south, just south of the uh the historic bridge that's there, and then that'll carry you all the way in over to the Oxbow uh Commons area.

So really that you looking at the guidelines that was really emphasized there to try to get that kind of grid pattern that was shut off when the mall was built on Clay Street, so that'll help with some continuity and whatnot.

And that's just to the right of the red dot.

It's yeah, approximately that red dot.

So I'm expecting um a rapid flashing beacon there, uh, maybe some curb extensions to you know get the pedestrians out there.

Um something really to keep things keep it visible there.

There's a lot of people that already jaywalk in that area anyway, so if we can focus them all in on one location at a safe spot, then uh I think that'll be better for everybody.

Great.

Thank you.

Talking about waste management, I did have one question.

When I was looking at um the valet, removing all of that refuse area.

Does Allegria not use any of that currently?

Like do they have a plan for where they're gonna make their waste?

Can you put the cursor where?

We've been talking all week about that and multiple site visits with various staff, but uh part of the development agreement is to remove that enclosure and relocate it within the new enclosure standards, and so it's going if you know where Vermil Wines is, the plan at this point is behind Vermil Wines and what is an alleyway now.

Uh, and they actually had the waste management company out today.

Uh I was told to test what the new pickup is gonna look like, and they're actually gonna start acting um like they're picking it up that way uh very soon so we we know what it looks like, right?

Do you have any other comments, Commissioner Myers?

No, thank you.

Would you like to put another meeting on the calendar in a couple of weeks in case there are updates or changes, and then we can make a staff level decision if if there are significant changes or more information to provide to you, or would you rather us just try to schedule it if any new information comes in?

We're not expecting anything different than what we've received other than getting the full waste management plan, but that's governed by our our enclosure standards, and then the traffic study, which is governed by city process as well, so it's not gonna change the aesthetics necessarily of what you saw today, other than maybe some of the street alignments.

We could always take it off if it were scheduled.

Yes, we can always cancel it if it were scheduled.

Why don't we block off the time and then you know decide a couple weeks ahead if it's necessary?

What do you think?

I'm sorry.

I mean that's a great idea.

I was gonna say if there are no significant changes, I'm fine leaving it today.

But maybe that's a great idea.

Block it off in case there are changes or something else comes up.

Then we have that as a backup, but otherwise it could be a straight runway.

What similar time on September 12th?

That gives us two weeks to and closer to when we'll have additional information on some of the other topics.

That works for one o'clock on Friday, September twelfth.

That's fine for me.

Okay.

So we'll go ahead and placehold that.

Um I'll put it on your calendars, and uh staff will communicate with you if there are is a need to or additional information and and we can go from there.

And I should say we will reserve if if changes do come in even after initial approval because of of significant changes as writer pointed out, we will convene you during the next two years.

Uh, if that if that becomes the case.

So you're on the hook for a while.

I appreciate that.

Any other comments from staff?

No.

Okay, this concludes the business of today's advisory committee meeting.

While no future meetings of this committee are currently scheduled, staff will notify members if additional input is needed during the design review process.

Thank you for your time and contributions.

This meeting is now adjourned.

Thank you