Do a row call.

Liz.

Marks.

Tom.

Deborah Stevens.

Katie Holman.

Present.

Julie Seeger.

Present.

I'm here.

And Tom.

Do we have any review of the agenda?

I don't think so.

Do we have approval of the minutes?

I need a.

I'd make a motion to approve the minutes.

And second.

Second.

Okay.

Thank you.

Okay, we have a presentation by Tom real quick.

Or sorry, Jim.

I apologize.

We do need after the first and second, then we take a vote.

Just for the record.

That would be great.

Yep.

All in favor.

Aye.

Thank you.

Yes.

We have a presentation by Lisa Rose Hernandez from the program director of community action Napa Valley.

Welcome.

Hi.

Thank you for having me here today.

I um I'm happy to come in and do a program presentation for our Meals on Wills programming and for our food bank program since they both tie in together.

If you guys don't know, Meals on Wheels is two-pronged programming.

We have our home delivered meals program where we deliver meals to their home.

We do a wellness check.

We serve all of the county, and right now we are serving over 400 individuals on Monday, Wednesday, and Friday.

So we make sure that our clients have food at home and a wellness check.

The second prong of our program is the congregate dining.

We serve hot meals at the Napa Senior Center Monday through Friday.

We serve promptly at 11 30.

All is welcome.

We also do nutrition education throughout four times throughout the year.

We have a dietitian come out and talk about education and see how our food is.

We have over eight pantries in Napa County.

We have nine free markets and six USDA sites.

We also have the Silver Fox program where we serve to our seniors two boxes throughout the month.

We put fresh meat, dairy, staple items, and we throw in some nutrition education, and we just started putting together recipes for the food that we're sending out in the boxes, so it's kind of fun.

We're okay, they'll be at home and they can try different things.

We serve over 12,000 meals per month.

So yeah, does anyone have any questions about any of our any of my programming that I'm here to report on?

You're um you say you do lunches five days a week.

Yeah, yes, at the Napa Senior Center, hot those are hot meals.

Yeah.

And um we also do the American Canyon site, but that's just one day.

And do people have to sign up for that?

Um we we always have we will always serve somebody, but we do recommend that you give us a call or you put get a reservation, but we most definitely always have enough food on hand.

Um come check us out, or you can always look us up on um on our website, it's Camby.org, or you can just give us a call.

Um I'd be happy to send the information to Linda so she can uh disseminate to all you wonderful individuals.

One other one, the wellness checks is yes, is that something you guys generate or can people request?

Yes, if you if you think somebody can be able to.

If you feel that somebody's in need, absolutely just shoot me an email or give us a call and we'd be happy to put them on our roster.

Um I just brought on some um additional nurses that are in need of doing their community hours to get their bachelor's, so I'm always eager to put them on a route and get them going on clients and get wellness done.

So yes, thank you.

Yeah, I have a follow-on question on the wellness.

Sorry.

Sure.

Sorry, Tom.

Do you do that at the senior center?

We we do, it's not every um day.

We do provide blood pressure checks at the senior center once a month.

Um it is I believe on the third Thursday of the month.

Um, but most of our uh wellness is going to their homes and doing the wellness checks in their in their home.

Have you ever thought about doing like a at the senior center, like setting up a little um you know, curtained off area where you could do little wellness checks there once a month?

Just just asking.

Um can I interject?

Sorry, sure.

Linda, uh we have Napa County HHSA just started the mobile health ban.

Oh great.

And uh they've yesterday yesterday was their second visit, so they're gonna be there the first Tuesday of the month.

So they're there to help with wellness checks, but also to get people coordinated with services, and it's just you just stop in and you really can't miss it.

It's a gigantic RV in our parking lot.

So great.

Uh they're there nine to noon on the second or I'm sorry, the first Tuesday of the month.

That's great.

So they can refer people um based on you know, indications.

Mm-hmm.

And they I believe they have three to four counselors there.

There are three to four people that are come with the van.

It's awesome.

And we always work together at multiple agencies, Jennifer.

We with the mobile van, their uh HHS mobile unit.

We we all meet and talk with um each other, and if there is a need, then we'll go and do a home visit so that we all take the big truck, their van there.

So that makes sense.

That makes sense.

Thank you.

Okay.

Question, what's the um what's the sign-up protocol?

I mean, how do you actually track uh uh patients?

What patients, but I mean people who need services and and you know, add them to the roster, take them off the roster.

How does that process kind of work?

Sure.

So we have an on uh we have an online application that we do.

It's um pretty intensive.

It it's about eight pages, and we um gather all the demographics, all your information, and we upload it into a secure portal, it's called get care and it's um linked directly to California Department on Aging.

And um we are able to onboard, we're able to um do assessments, we are able to track the meals served each day um through the online portal.

It's all cloud-based, so it makes it simple.

Um we're able to put people on hold, we're able to do referrals to other um agencies, um, so it's uh um so it's good program, it's good online software.

Can family members like uh if they've got an elderly parent who's who's having trouble or something, I mean, can uh family members sign up for their uh absolutely.

Absolutely.

Um we a lot of the time we have family members that are out of state even, and they will reach out to us and we'll do the onboarding and help them ensure that they are processed and they um we get services um ASAP.

We the good thing is I would like to say we have no way uh waiting lists.

We on board as soon as we get an application, we try to get them going within 24 hours of the next delivery day, which is um uh remarkable um given you know some of the other counties there's long wait waiting list.

Yes, so um, really proud of that.

Yes, and they contact you via the um the parks and record.

Yeah, we you could go to our website, you can hit us on social media, you could call us, you could email us, we can do it over the phone, whatever you'd like to do.

Everything is available.

Which website would that be?

Camv.org.org.

C-A-N-V is in Victor.org.

Are there eligibility criteria for wellness checks?

Um for wellness checks, so all of our programming for mills on wills is the eligibility is to be at least 60 years old.

Okay.

And um once um we have you on the program, your if you would like our services for additional wellness, we're happy to put them on the program.

Yeah, we're definitely expanding wellness.

That's awesome.

And is there um I'm interested in the frequency of those visits as well as you mentioned that there are referrals that can come out of that.

Can you speak a little bit more about what that network looks like?

So um home visits are one to three visits a month, and everything's tracked.

That's great.

Yeah, no, I know.

It's great, yes.

Um, and it's just a matter of um getting, and then we were able to extract all that data and put it onto um our cloud, and that way we have other resources where we can send out referrals, um follow-up.

Um, yeah, I'd be happy to onboard any um individual if someone has any um referrals to please send them our way.

Thank you.

Yes, we have a wonderful nurse, her name is Cynthia.

Cynthia Kaufman.

So um she's doing really good stuff.

Yes.

Any other questions?

Well, thank you so much for having me here today, and I wish everybody happy holidays.

Oh, okay, thank you.

Thank you very much.

Thank you.

Now we have a report from the senior center in recreation.

Yes, this is the annual seniors senior service providers report.

Um the senior service providers, if you are not aware, are groups that have uh been approved through senior advisory commission to meet at a subsidized rate um at the senior center.

And previously, probably when I took over many years ago, it was about 40.

We call them SSP, so we don't have to say senior service provider every time, but um there were about 40 SSPs or maybe even a few more than that when I started, and after COVID, we had a huge drop off unfortunately of people using the building, um, and people just I think diminishing um attendance, a lot of people aged out and just could not, you know, uh maintain um their membership.

Um, and this year, but we do have people who come in, you know, groups that come and go, so it is a little bit in flux um throughout the year.

And currently we have sixteen senior service providers.

Uh five groups this past 18 months stopped meeting at the senior center.

Um, one was their acronym as CAME, it's California Association of Machine Embroider, so people who do like big quilting projects.

Um they are unfortunately one of those groups where the membership was in decline and just the lady that was running the program was in her 90s, and it's just too much to keep on.

Um Boots and Bell Square Dancers, which had met at the Senior Center for many years, uh just also very few people were attending their dances, so they decided to disband.

Um unfortunately, Mentis had lost their funding for mental health services, so their programs that they were running in English and Spanish at the senior center had to be stopped earlier this year.

Um I just recently reached out to them to say, you know, does the future look any brighter uh moving forward?

Because we're about to go um go through the next rental period.

So they unfortunately said that no, they have not, they do not have funding.

So but they know that they have an open door whenever they can come back.

And then the AARP driver safety courses have stopped meeting at the senior center here in Napa County.

They still meet in Solano County, and I believe there is one place in Sonoma County that they're meeting, but there is no volunteer coordinator for Napa County.

And the gentleman who was previously serving Napa County passed away, but he was driving from like somewhere in the East Bay.

I think he was coming for like Walnut Creek or something like that.

So for whatever reason, our little rural county um does not, you know, provide they they just choose to put their efforts between Solano and Sonoma.

So um, so regardless.

Anyhow, that those are the five that stopped to meeting this year at the senior center.

Um they the SSPs, Jim is uh the president of the Napabachi Association.

If you've been by the senior center uh in the evening or on Tuesday or Thursday morning, you see that there are lots and lots of people participating.

So there are even though the groups have declined, we still see robust attendance from the groups that are still meeting at the senior center.

So fortunately this year to maintain their SSP SSP status.

They can't have any violations.

Um most of the groups are very good about paying their fees and observing the rules at the senior center.

In the past, we have had some issues with parking, those have been rectified.

And so on the second page of the report, you will see all of the groups that are still meeting at the senior center, um, community action Napa Valley, Lisa and her group are there, and then all of the rest, and I'm happy to give you a brief uh explanation of what they do if you have any questions.

Um I would also just like to uh let you know that the downside is MENTIS is not meeting at the senior center right now, but Port des Abiertas was able to gain some funding, and they are gonna pick up some mental health services for Spanish speakers.

So they're gonna be using the building on an additional day.

They already were meeting on Wednesdays and now they've added Tuesdays, which is the time slot that Mentis was meeting.

So it's a little bit of a trade there.

But we are recommending a staff that because there are everybody is in compliance, there are no violations, we would like your blessing to continue uh renting to the people on this list.

And uh, like I said, I'm happy to answer any questions about any of the groups if you want any information before you make your vote.

You didn't get any complaints about bocce?

Um, no.

Oh, good complaints from bocce, but not about bocce.

Um, do you have anything to add?

I'll second that.

All approved.

Okay, thank you.

Um, so and then I believe I'm next as well.

Oh, okay.

Just keep talking.

Keep on going.

My mom would say that's no problem for Linda.

So uh we have been very, very busy um this fall with many, many special events and uh classes going on at the center.

We uh, if you are not familiar with the Dia de los Muertos event that does not happen at the senior center but does happen downtown, um the senior center staff traditionally have um created the community altar, and this year uh with Karen Karen Vega's leadership, she's our Lethana program manager.

She has two classes.

She had has Lotoría on Mondays, but then she also has Cafe y Plática, which loosely translates to like coffee and conversation.

And so this year they made a life size for me at least.

She's a five-foot tall Katrina.

And the Katrina is the skeleton with the fancy hat and the dress.

So that it's sort of small in this scheme of things, but made a huge impact to the group.

And they many of them came to Dia de los Muertos to see her in public.

And so every time somebody walked up to take a picture with her, they were all like holding their breath.

They're like, oh, you know, nervous that they she was gonna break, but nobody, you know, she held up, and she's right now displayed at the senior center.

So if you're there, you want to come by and see her, she's in the lobby for right or in our lounge area for right now because um because she is so big, we and she's pretty fragile, so we're not quite sure where we're gonna store her yet.

So she's there now, and we have a little uh a little descriptor of you know the importance of you know the significance of her.

Um we also uh just the staff love working and being a part of the community altar, and we have some really heart uh felt and touching moments, and I think I only cried once this year, but it's it's always like very uh to see the community come out and to hear some of the comments for people who feel underrepresented in our community and to feel their appreciation is uh incredible.

So um so uh Dia de los Muertos was on November 1st, that was the day that we celebrated.

We also had Halloween going on, so we had half the staff were busy with a very well attended.

I think there were about 65 people at that our Halloween luncheon.

Um we had Dia de los Muertos, and then we cleaned up from that, and we had Thanksgiving.

So and at the Thanksgiving um celebration, we had about a hundred and twenty seniors that were able to come for lunch.

Um it was we received a generous donation last year, you may recall.

If you were on the commission at that time, we received a $5,000 donation from the people who did the table who used to run the table program out of the Presbyterian church.

So those monies were able to go towards the Thanksgiving meal and the upcoming holiday meal, so we were offered able to offer those meals free of charge.

Um, I think Rihanna is still here.

Brianna was scraping dirty plates and serving meals, Katrina was directing traffic because it takes uh basically most of the recreation division to serve the 125 people and try and get it done, you know, in half an hour or less, you know.

So it's a and we're not most of us are not professional weight staff, so um it takes a team definitely, and uh we it was a great turnout, and we are expecting just as many people to come on the 16th for the holiday luncheon, and the um downtown Joe's did does a great Thanksgiving meal if you're ever in need, um, and Chef Ernesto Martinez from I believe he's at Napa Valley Bistro and Market San Alina, he's the chef there, and uh he has catered for us.

This will be his third year.

His parents also attend programs at the senior center, so he um he's happy to to help us out there.

Uh we are currently entering our senior service provider rental requests.

I think I just got the last one that I needed this afternoon, and we um have we're able to schedule everybody with their first choice, and we have also at the same time we are also entering the winter and spring classes, so we've been pretty busy um scheduling the building and and getting all of our instructors um ready to go for winter spring.

Um we do have uh about six different guest speakers that are gonna be coming throughout the spring.

I don't believe we have anybody in January, but that's sort of intentional because people are still coming back.

Um so we have uh fraud prevention that will be um with the Napa police department, hands-on ACPR will be uh taught by the fire department.

We have a state planning with it, which is with a legal service North North Bay legal services.

Is that it, Mark?

Is it do you remember?

The it's North Bay Legal.

I can't remember that in the program, yeah.

They're coming to do estate planning.

So that's the name of their group.

Um they're mainly based in Solano County, but they also serve Napa County.

Uh victim services, we're gonna have somebody from victim services come and talk about what's provided here in Napa County if you happen to be a victim of a crime, whether it's elder abuse or some other kind of crime, how you can get support.

Uh stop falls, share the care will be there to present on stop falls, and then um my friend Mark over at CHP is gonna come in and do a safe driving course.

So because we don't have the AARP driving course, we try and partner with either Napa PD or CHP to come in and do the um some kind of driving course.

So he usually presents out or Napa PD.

I think they've been able to both come out at least twice this past year.

So do you have any questions for me about anything coming up?

Are we looking for more tenants?

We are always looking for people, yes.

They have to be flexible with what uh space we have available, but yeah, we're always happy to um look I'm always looking for contract instructors, always looking for senior service providers, so uh you also as part of your packet have the senior survivor survivor, the senior provider uh packet so you can see what the criteria is.

They do have to be a Napa resident, the person who's renting the building, and then they have to meet um the age requirements as well.

So um, you know, if you were to go out, I'm just using botchy because Jim is here, um it you may see, you know, a team of 30 or 40 year olds playing, but the vast majority of the people that are there are seniors, so um, you know, it's fine if some of the culture group or whoever want to come and be um, you know, be there as long as the majority are are seniors, so any other questions.

Thank you very much.

I have a question.

Yes.

Have you thought about offering an additional mahjong time slot?

Yeah.

Well, we can we can talk about it.

Because I know.

Yeah, the Friday afternoon.

Um there's a very there's it's a rough crowd.

Oh, yeah, okay.

There's like four or four or so very mean ladies.

Okay.

I mean, we're talking.

Sorry to hear that.

Huh?

I'm sorry to hear that.

Yeah, well, we always like this one.

Oh okay, yeah.

No, that's not good.

Um I was thinking, we can talk, but it would be nice to have like an intermediate and an advanced, yeah.

So like a middle uh advanced beginner or whatever.

Yeah, like intermediate, but the ladies that I'm talking about, they've been playing for 30 years and they play like five to seven times a week.

Yeah.

So and then.

Yeah.

Exactly.

I understood.

Yeah, yeah.

If you um let's talk after the meeting, but yeah, if you have some I ideas of times that might work, um, we can maple is usually available.

Um that's the smaller room.

That's site seat 16.

That'd be nice.

So we can talk.

We can talk.

Look at your schedules and then you can propose to me sometimes, and we can take a look.

Yeah.

I suspect that there may be other people who would feel the same way.

We know there are.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Okay.

Thank you.

Appreciate that.

Very brief question.

Um, are you looking for volunteers for the December 16th uh luncheon?

Always.

Maybe I could should I just send you an email?

Yeah.

Yeah.

There's um we do a little team huddle at 11.

Um, but we are always looking for people and and just always I should have extended the offer to all of you.

If you just want to come and show up, we um I don't have any more places for you to sit or food to feed you, but if you want to just be there to greet people, uh, you know, pour coffee, uh, hand out cheesecake.

Um, sometimes I mentioned in the past, people would like to, you know, speak to the commissioners if they don't feel comfortable speaking to me or to Katrina.

Um, you know, they usually don't seem to have a problem.

But yeah, if you, you know, say I'm here from the senior advisory commission, you know, or and just like they would I'm sure like to know more about what the commission is about, and that goes for any of our any of our monthly luncheons.

Lisa and her staff do provide lunch um five days a week on the one day a month that we serve lunch, they do not serve lunch, but um those days are all uh already all scheduled for the spring, so I have a question on the food.

Um unfortunately I'm dairy and gluten-free, and more and more people I'm learning are have allergies.

And when I've seen the list of the luncheon, it's like I'm not coming.

I I can't eat here.

You do guys, I know it's a lot.

There's more people that aren't allergic to foods, but um, yeah, it it depends.

And I, you know, I have to profess ignorance when it comes to gluten-free.

I mean, dairy I'm pretty familiar with, but gluten I'm not sure.

Um, we can always talk, and you I can let you know what's coming up on the menu.

So, and then Lisa has her nutritionist for the can be meals, so that would be something you could talk with the canvas staff about.

Yeah, that sounds good.

Okay.

Any other questions?

Okay, all right.

Thank you for all for coming.

Our next meeting would be February the 4th.

Happy holidays to everyone.

Uh we have um oh we have more?

Did I comments by commissioners?

And then Jim, if you just want to spend a minute to allow maybe Julie to introduce herself to the committee as well.

I don't know if there's there might be public comment that we missed um now that we have a uh audience member as well.

So let's we can go back up to maybe public comment and then go to commissioner comments and then we can introduce Julie as well.

Any comments by the commissioners, I was just um my question was, and I see Brianna, um, how's the uh survey going?

I got that nice postcard in the mail and just wondering how the response has been.

Good afternoon, everyone.

Nice to see you all.

Uh we actually rolled out a brief presentation earlier today to our parks and recreation staff taking a look at the first portion of the survey, which was the controlled survey.

That was the 300 responses.

Um we kept the community-wide survey open all the way through the end of November.

Uh so we just closed that, and there have been over 1,500 responses.

So 1500 plus the original three were at 1800.

So very pleased with the community uh involvement.

Good.

Good.

In the new year, we'll be bringing it back to both of our commissions.

We're probably gonna wait for the summary of the community-wide survey.

We have the summary on the controlled one, but once we have both, we'll bring those back to you.

And they are compiling the results of your leadership alignment workshop.

You know, we're gonna have all those summarized and to a high-level overview and the park recreation and trees advisory commission as well.

So we'll see these um four different layers of data.

All um interesting how there are is a lot of parallel and alignment across them, but all you know different and important for for varying reasons.

I I also had a question.

Um I think you mentioned before that you guys were gonna do some um field trips to go out and see what other cities have done.

Um I just I recently spent a little bit of time in a very large, you know, I don't know how many acre park in Redwood City.

And I what I was really impressed with is that a lot of the areas were uh sponsored by corporations and individuals, and I was in I was impressed with that.

Yeah.

Also the facilities were amazing, but yeah.

We are planning uh a f likely do a field trip with council.

We'll have to look at if we can include um our commissions as well and try to make it a larger trip, but we haven't um exactly finalized where we're going to be road tripping to, mostly because there are so many fabulous examples out there.

We'd like to um have a roadmap so we can stop by at least two to three spots, hopefully heading in one direction, or we'd be gone for days.

Yeah, yeah, that would be fun.

All right, thank you.

Any other questions?

Uh Jim, do you want to just give a minute so we can introduce our new commissioner?

Yeah, I was just going to backtrack to the and then we'll do public comment then.

Yeah, and I totally apologize for that one.

But we're from Julie Seeger.

Good afternoon, everyone.

It's a pleasure and honor to serve on the commission with all of you.

Um I'm a little background.

Um I moved here to Napa in 1999 after four years living in the Philippines.

And I'm a San Francisco native, born and raised.

Um my mom lives in St.

Elena.

We I came here because uh my parents had a weekend home in St.

Alina and my grandparents, my grandpa's dream was to live on the water before he died.

Um he was born raised in Fairfield, so he bought in River Park.

And so I visit grandma and grandpa here, and and then um after I moved from Asia, I I bought uh near Fuller Park Abajo District.

And I was working in the wine industry for many years, was on the board of Howl Mountain Vittners and Growers Association for Bill Smith.

He founded Hell Mountain AVA.

He was one of the founding people there, and I got to work at that winery for five years in Angwin.

And um, and then I really had a vocation to work in the law.

And so I went ahead and uh worked for Murphy Logan and Rhodes Brown law firm here on First Street for seven years and attended law school at night.

Um so I'm a paralegal and I've graduated law school and I took the bar and um looks like I'm gonna be taking it again.

I didn't pass by one point, so that's what I'm gonna be doing in February.

And that's what I'm doing right now, actually, with all my time.

So anyway, nice to meet you all.

Thank you.

Welcome to the commission.

Any other comments or any intake from the commissioners?

No.

Okay.

We're gonna do public comment.

Oh, that we have a public comment.

We now do.

Good afternoon.

I apologize for being late.

I didn't hear my comments.

I don't need it.

I can talk loudly.

We can't hear you.

We can hear you.

Okay.

Sorry.

Good afternoon again.

I'm Mark Frankenstein.

I'm chair of the Napa County Commission on Aging.

I apologize for being a little bit late, but I I've been wanting to come to one of your meetings.

I tried a couple months ago, and I think the meeting was postponed.

So I'm here today just to introduce myself and to recognize that I think we work on and we consider some of the same issues.

This commission and the Napa County Commission on Aging.

And it baffled me when I realized we don't really have a relationship as commissions between the city and county.

And we cover a lot of the same issues and have a lot of the same concerns about our older adult residents here.

I know lately I've been touring around some of the senior centers in the various cities and towns in the county and including our senior center here and just kind of comparing and seeing what's there and seeing if there's any way that the Commission on Aging could add some insight and help with with helping seniors through the senior centers.

I think we do a great job here.

We generally meet at CSOA, which is on Imperial Way by the cent just across the street from Central Hardware, in their first floor, large conference room.

Occasionally we go on the road and go into some of the other cities and towns in the county.

We're going to be down in American Canyon.

Don't quote me on this.

I think in February.

So I invite you all to come to a commission on aging meeting, a county commission on aging meeting.

And I'd like to introduce, I'd like to meet all of you.

Julie, I want to congratulate you for getting through law school and taking the California bar.

It's one of the most difficult bars in the country.

I know that.

I'm a I'm a recovering lawyer.

I say that instead of retired because I'm always going to be recovering.

And I know how difficult it is to pass a bar.

I was admitted in three states, but one of them by reciprocity, thank goodness.

So anyhow, sorry for the the side note about the law.

You're all welcome to come to the commission on aging.

And some of you I think I send notices to regularly uh with the agenda.

And if you would like me to do that for you, um I'll be here a little bit afterwards so you can give me your email address and and we can all get looped in together and work uh collectively on our older adults.

Um as I tell the the Board of Supervisors, um, we always have to fill out a little conflict of interest for them, and one conflict they don't question us on is are we going to be older adults and concerned about those issues?

So we all have the same issues because someday we might all be fortunate enough to get old and need the services that we're trying to make sure that our older adult residents and citizens have.

So thank you and thank you for what you do.

I appreciate it.

Personally and on behalf of the Commission on Aging.

Thank you.

Thank you.

What time is that?

What time is the meeting on the fourth Monday?

They're at 2 o'clock.

And we have a supervisor on schedule for every meeting.

Um, our next meeting is January 26th at 2 o'clock.

Generally, they're run about two hours.

Um the format we we always have one of the supervisors there to tell us about what's going on in the county generally and for older adults.

Um, and they she is always available for questions and answers, and there's a wonderful dialogue that goes on.

Um we usually have a feature speaker like you had today from Can V and we've had Can V come and talk to us as well, and that's always helpful.

Um we get reports from all of the uh major senior service advisors uh uh providers, rather, throughout the county, including from the county, and that's always informative.

There's a lot of information that flows.

So you're all very welcome.

Um, and we can work together then a little bit better to help where we'll all be someday.

If we're fortunate.

Yes.

Thank you.

Any other questions?

Thank you.

Thank you.

Any other comments or questions from the commission?

And we'll adjourn this meeting.

Thank you very kindly.

Happy holidays.