Are we ready?

Ira.

Good evening and welcome to the November 6th, 2025 City of Napa regular meeting for the Planning Commission.

Roll call, please.

Commissioner Ebach.

Present.

Commissioner Masaro.

Present.

Commissioner Myers.

Present.

Vice Chair Owen.

Present.

And Chair Shotwell.

Present.

Please rise for the Pledge of Allegiance.

I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America.

And to the Republic for which it stands one nation under the individual with liberty and justice for all.

The Planning Commission conducts all meetings in accordance with the Ralph Milton Brown Act, California Government Code Sections 54950 et sec and pursuant to the city's rules of order for planning commission meetings, policy resolution 10.

Staff, are there any changes to this evening's agenda or supplemental reports?

Chair Shotwell, there is a memo was provided to the commission about uh moving item 6A Colby Academy expansion, uh moving it from the consent hearing to off calendar to a date uncertain.

So when the commission goes through their motions with uh the the consent calendar, we would see look to look to you to motion to remove that to the date and cert at that time.

Okay, thank you.

Public comment.

Public comment provides an opportunity for members of the public to directly address the planning commission on items of interest not otherwise noted on the agenda.

Each speaker's comments will be limited to three minutes and will comply with the rules of order for planning commission meeting.

Do we have any members of the public who wish to provide public comments on non-agenda items?

Come on up.

Okay, would you like to introduce your name?

Is your microphone?

Is your is the microphone on?

If you don't mind repeating your name, please.

Hi, I'm Helena Falk, and I'm a junior at Napa High.

Um I'm just gonna read it off my phone.

Sorry.

Good afternoon, Planning Commissioners.

Um, repeat this again, sorry.

My name is Helena Falk, and um I'm speaking today on behalf of Napa Schools for Climate Action.

Our motto is that no school should be a silent witness to climate injustice.

And has members from all in VOC high schools and just in Siena.

We advocated for the climate emergency resolutions and all Napa County jurisdictions adopted, each with the goal of achieving net zero climate pollution by 2030.

Napa's general plan also specifies the 2030 net zero goal, which we advocated for in 2022.

We have a fossil free future project where we all where we are advocating for a ban on new and expanded fossil fuel stations in Napa County.

We are also working with Congressman Mike Thompson in the climate restoration resolution that he reintroduced into Congress this past July.

Our group was named his climate crisis champions in 2024.

This year we received um 350 Bears Climate Justice Award.

In your planning commission meeting in May, we submitted a written comment asking what the updated zoning code prohibit new and expanded gas stations.

Um we are grateful that Calistoga, St.

Helena, Yauntville, and American Canyon have done this already.

Until recently, NAPA had a moratorium that prohibited new gas stations.

We provided you with the list of links to each city's ordinance and the new articles that were published as those bans went into effect.

The world um meteorological organization has officially confirmed 2024 to be the warmest year on record, with it being 1.5 degrees Celsius above pre-industrial levels.

We know that climate is on track to get hotter.

It is now critical more than ever before that we as a community take um drastic action to reduce our dependence on fossil fuels.

Putting a stop to further build out to of fossil fuels infrastructure is an important step this in this reduction process, and would greatly encourage young people as we fight for our future.

Thank you for taking our message seriously.

Please let me know if we could help.

Thank you.

Yeah, great job.

Welcome.

Thank you, Chair, Commissioners.

I'm Jim Wilson, retired quality manager and uh climate educator in the schools and grandfather.

I just wanted to read a couple of random things to you that uh that are good things and uh make me very happy.

So I I save hard copies of them and I highlight them and I show my friends.

This is a letter that was written uh by our mayor, Scott uh Sedgley, protect our local watershed, and it was submitted as a letter to the editor in uh February 2022.

Climate change has brought us many uncertainties and will require monumental change to the way we conduct business.

He goes on, but this is about monumental change.

We hear about uh by some estimates that we're already lost our 1.5 degree C anomaly target.

That was the Paris aspirational goal ten years ago.

So here we are, 10 years later, saying, What are we doing with additional heating already in the pipeline?

We know what to do, but can we say it and then do it?

When I talked to Scott and a number of you, thankfully, uh, we can talk about your climate emergency resolution.

It's a declaration of the emergency and it's acknowledgement of the of the crisis we're in that Helena just talked about.

We live in a city, and as gatekeepers, you folks have your various areas of expertise, and you can think in the private and public sectors here within our city boundaries, we are we know a net uh climate pollutant emitter.

We're net emitters, and so that's why we take these inventories and we look at ways to stop the increase and then to drastically reduce them so that ultimately we are net sinks, and so we want to be a net carbon sink.

When we look at projects like we do today, we have to ask ourselves what does that do to our goal of achieving net zero climate pollutants by before 2030?

And does this project that we're about to evaluate today and every day that we meet here?

Does that increase emissions?

In other words, does it take this small area on our planet and increase them such that we have an increase of pollutant flux or do we have say a negative flux?

In other words, do we actually draw down and make ourselves a near-term net carbon sink?

I think we know the answers, and we know what to do, but will we do it?

Uh fortunately, we have good leadership here.

I love Paul O'Neill's letter to a gas station applicant in May of 2022.

He on page 10 says, you know, we don't have a moratorium yet, but I'm sure we will have a moratorium on gas stations one day soon.

And then here we are faced with the opportunity to go to our zoning codes and update them for for a proper prohibition against new and expanded gas stations.

This is the kind of leadership we love seeing in our community, and we're here to help you.

You have we have your backs on this.

Thank you.

Thank you, Jim.

Are there any other members of the public who wish to speak on non-agenda items?

Do I have a motion to close?

I'll make a motion to close it.

All in favor?

Second.

Aye.

I aye.

Consent calendar.

These routine items may be approved by a single vote.

However, any member of the public or commissioner may remove an item for consideration during the public hearing portion of the agenda.

This evening we are reviewing the planning commission regular meeting minutes for October 16th, 2025.

Do I have a motion to approve?

I'll make that motion.

All second.

All in favor?

Aye.

Aye.

Consent hearings.

These are items that are required to be noticed as a public hearing, but the city is not aware of any interest from members of the public to comment on the item.

However, any members of the public or a commissioner may remove an item from the consent hearing calendar, and the item will be considered during the public hearing portion of the agenda.

Tonight we have we no longer have item 6A.

We have item 6B, the Linda Vista Parcel Map at 3710 Linda Vista Avenue, item 6C, Saint Apollinaris Portables Use Permit at 3700 Lassen Street, and item 6D, Napa Yard Extension 2, use permit at 585 and 601 First Street.

Is there a request from a commissioner or member of the public to pull this item item from the any of these items?

Yes.

Yes, I have a request to pull 6C, St.

Apollinaris portables use permit.

Okay, so we'll move that to the public hearings.

Is do we have a motion uh to approve the consent hearings items 6b and 6D?

Since we've moved to item 6a.

So moved.

Second.

All in favor, aye.

I think we have to vote on 68.

And uh move to remove 6a to a date uncertain.

Exactly.

Thank you.

Second.

And all in favor, aye.

Okay.

Public hearings or appeals.

These are items that are formally presented to the planning commission and provide an opportunity opportunity for members of the public to comment.

Applicants or appellants are allowed ten minutes to present testimony at the beginning of the public hearing, and if needed, five minutes to present rebuttal at the end of the public hearing.

All other speakers will be limited to three minutes.

Tonight we'll start with item 6A.

60.

Oh, 6C.

Sorry, we moved to item 6A.

Saint Apollinaris portables use permit at 3700 lessons.

Okay, we'll start with commissioner disclosures.

Who would like to start?

I spoke with staff.

I drove by the site.

No disclosures.

No disclosures.

I met with staff and I also um read the communications.

Okay.

So we'll now hear a report from staff.

Sounds great.

Well, good evening, planning commission and those in attendance.

Tonight I'll be giving a brief presentation on the St.

Apollinaris portables use permit application.

So just as an overview, the applicant is requesting a use permit and design review permit to authorize the addition of two portable classroom structures, also uh named as modulars throughout the report.

Um each of these classrooms would contain two rooms, so that would be a total of four classrooms.

Um the applicant uh they're at the they're at the back.

So uh Olivia Brazil, the school principal, as well as Joe Madigan, uh, who manages the facilities are here to answer questions.

Just as an overview of the site, it's a site uh along Lassen Street, it's a pretty large site, and um the addition of the classrooms would be towards the rear of the property.

So the use permit uh the purpose of the use permit would be to allow the physical expansion of the school.

Um the design review permit would actually be to authorize the design of the modular classroom structures.

And planning commission would have the authority over both of these permits.

Just some more context of the site.

It's nearly 10 acres.

There are existing buildings at the site, and there are about 267 parking spaces.

It's in the vintage high neighborhood, and the school and the church have existed at the site since approximately 1957.

So it's a long-standing use in this neighborhood.

The existing buildings at the site include the church and fellowship hall, existing classrooms and offices.

This is a photo of the existing driveway facing north.

This is the entrance driveway.

And then this is the exit only driveway and south facing view.

This is the area of the site where the portable classrooms would be added.

What you can see in the right hand side is the existing modular classroom.

Some more photos of the existing modular classroom at different angles.

And some more photos.

So as for the project, the specifics to the project, as I mentioned, there would only be two of these modulars proposed.

They would each be around 1400 square feet, each with two classrooms.

There would be no change in the student enrollment.

The purpose of these modulars would be to serve the existing student population.

So that would result in smaller class sizes and also classrooms that are used for academic support for all students.

There would be minor site improvements.

The applicant did state in a correspondence which is attached to the staff report that they do continual maintenance at the property, including refreshing the landscaping.

They recently did restriping to the parking lot, and they're also planning on installing some lighting.

This is a floor plan of the modular classroom.

There are no restrooms inside.

And these are the elevations overall.

It's very simple, very similar to what's currently there.

And if you can read that note at the bottom, it's just noting that the portable, the modular classrooms which would be installed at the property would be painted to match the color scheme of the existing classrooms, which matches the color scheme of the campus overall.

And getting into the analysis portion of my presentation.

As for the general plan and zoning, the project would be consistent.

The site is an existing private school, and overall this would be a minor addition, which is consistent with both the general plan and zoning.

As I went over earlier, there would be no increase in student enrollment.

The school operations wouldn't change from how it currently operates, and these classrooms would be used to support the existing student body.

Furthermore, the classrooms are located in an area where there are already buildings on campus, they're not really expanding further into the field, and the classrooms would operate at similar times.

Furthermore, there does not seem to be large impacts that would occur in the neighborhood, particularly because of the location of the proposed modular structures, and also the fact that these teaching activities would be indoors.

As for the design review, overall, as I mentioned, it's a pretty simple design, a flat roof, you know, a vertical siding, and those classrooms would be painted to match the existing structures.

Furthermore, the HVAC that is mounted on the wall would be screened from adjacent properties, it would be a condition of approval.

The entry doors would face away from adjacent properties, and the proposed structures would meet and exceed the development standards for the zone.

This is just a table illustrating how the proposed modular structures would exceed those standards.

Overall, staff believes that the categorical exemption 15314, which applies to expansions of existing campuses where the it does not increase student capacity by more than 25% or more than 10 classrooms would apply to this project, and no exceptions to the exemption were applicable.

Therefore, staff recommends that the Planning commission adopt a use, adopt a resolution approving a use permit for a physical expansion of the St.

Apollinaire School Campus, and a design review permit for the design of two modular classroom buildings consisting of four classrooms at 3700 Lassen Street and determining that the actions are authorized by CEQA.

Please let me know if you have any questions.

And as a reminder, the applicant's representatives are here for questions as well.

Great.

And would would the applicant like to speak and present before we ask questions?

It seems like they would like to.

Okay, she's working.

Good evening, I'm Olivia Brazil, the school principal, and I just wanted to note that you mentioned the parish was established in 1957.

Our school was established in 1959 by the Mercy Sisters of Ireland.

We've long served the community here in Napa, providing Catholic education for many generations of families.

Our mission is driven by forming our students who are spiritual scholarly and committed to service.

In the community of Napa and beyond, we participate on many levels of outreach, including raising funds for Greater Bay Area Make a Wish, feeding families in need here in community, adopting families here in the Napa community during the holiday season.

During the fires of 2017, we proved we provided food and shelter and toiletries and housed many people who were displaced during that time, serving the community in a broader way.

I'm proud of our school and the parish community, and we feel that we benefit the NAPA community greatly.

I'm asking for a positive result in requesting this expansion of the two portable classrooms that will give us four additional spaces.

As noted, our numbers are not expanding.

We've actually declined since last school year.

What we're trying to accomplish is a more diversified education and individual instruction of splitting up our middle school classes and making them smaller as we have larger numbers in our middle school.

Out of our surrounding area, we did have one neighbor complaint in regards to traffic.

I'd have to say I'm pretty proud of the fact that we have a morning and afternoon drop-off that's completed within 15 minutes.

We continually put recommendations in our newsletters for families to carpool, but most of our families have multiple children and carpool with neighbors and existing families in the school, making it more efficient.

And we try, you know, to ask them not to block driveways, be courteous, and do all of those things.

We have a very large staff of 45.

We have the majority of them outside in the morning and in the evening or afternoon pickup to help facilitate this.

And again, it's our hope to move forward with this project in a positive manner, and we would ask that you would approve it.

Thank you.

Do I have any questions of the applicant?

Is anyone okay?

Thank you.

Thank you.

And any questions of staff before we open up public?

Nope.

Okay.

So do I have a motion to or I guess I'll just open up public comment.

All right.

Would anyone from the public like to come up and speak?

Chris Benz, 315 Greenback Street, Napa, California.

Greetings, Commissioners and Chair.

I'd like to thank the commissioners who went met with myself and Jim Wilson in October to talk about our concerns as members of Napa Climate now.

We felt it was important to make sure that commission members realize that climate action is one of the six focus areas for 2025 to 2027 established by the city council.

Climate goals and policies are described in the climate change and sustainability element of the 2040 general plan.

And next year the city will be adopting a regional climate action and adaptation plan.

You are the gatekeepers and need to ensure that new projects align with our vision as outlined in the general plan.

We greatly appreciate the expertise and care you bring to examining projects in depth and asking how they can be made even better, how they can improve the quality of life for residents and the quality of the visitor experience.

For the portables at St.

Apollinaires, the staff report analyzes how the project is consistent with land use and with the community services, parts, and recreation elements, but it does not provide information to determine if the portables are consistent with the climate change and sustainability element.

Do these classrooms conform with policy CCS 1-1, which is implement immediate and sustained actions in support of achieving net zero climate pollutants from public and private operations within the city by 2030?

Will the modular classrooms include energy efficient systems integrated during fabrication, including high performance HVAC, LED lighting, and advanced installation insulation?

Will they have solar ready rooftops and designs that accommodate renewable energy integration?

The planning commission should also have this information before you decide to approve the project.

Thank you.

Thank you, Chris.

Are there any other members of the public who would like to comment on this item?

Okay, do I have a motion to close?

So move it.

All in favor.

I who would like to start?

I have a list.

I thought perhaps since you pulled it.

Sorry, I'm the one who pulled it.

So I do have some questions.

I um what would help me actually I think is if the applicant came up to the podium and both of you can come, it's fine.

The um documents that were given to us in our staff packet um included the site plan and then uh plans of the modular unit that you were intending to put in.

However, the modular unit plans are dated from uh 2000, that's you know, 2000, 25 years ago.

So, what is the unit that we're actually going to get at in your school?

So, so structurally, the unit is the exact same unit.

So uh with most of these modular buildings, they're acquired.

Uh Will Scott acquired this particular unit, and there's two of them.

Um, what Will Scott provides us, and what we're excited about is the fact that they're completely overhauled inside and out.

So the building itself structurally looks identical to what we currently have, but physically it's inside and out is completely renovated.

So it has a brand new roof, uh, brand new flooring throughout.

Um the uh HVAC system is also brand new on, so it is a high efficient.

Um, and when we will continue our process, and I know the individual before us was talking about energy efficient.

The school just did a very large scope project to bring in energy efficient lighting throughout every single one of our classrooms.

We will continue that as years go on through our portables as well.

Um, so again, structurally for most of these units, when people acquire them, they're the same.

They're they're a box unit.

Um, but what we wanted to do with Will Scott because of their recommendations and their branding is to really have them go through the whole entire unit and bring it up to code and really up to spec.

So is it up to our 2022 code where insulation has been replaced?

Insulation's been replaced, it has new T bar ceiling and drop-down ceiling as well, new HVAC system, uh painting throughout, as well as new roof.

And new windows?

Um, I believe new windows as well, but I'd have to check with it.

Okay.

Do you know what your your building is?

I would have I'd have to go back and look at that, yeah.

Okay.

Is it gonna have carpets on the inside?

No, it'll have uh LB flooring.

Okay, great.

Okay, so the reason I ask all of these questions is um I couldn't sit in this chair and not honor my husband who um has worked a lot with schools in the past, and certainly um the educational health of our children is just as important as the design of a building.

Right.

And so I ask all those questions because children have to be in a healthy environment in order to learn learn well.

Um, I'm not a huge fan of portables.

Um I I and I'm like, I would like to see you guys do better in choosing your portable.

Um there are other companies out there that and I realize you have this relationship with with Will Scott, which is which is fine.

But um the way the way that the it alarmed me because the way that the plans were presented in the packet made it look like we were putting in a substandard uh building um in your school, and that is something that I didn't want to uh vote on to do.

Sounds like you're bringing in a modular that is up to code and up to standard.

It's gonna have good insulation, it's has a new um electrical heating system.

You're gonna be adding fire sprinklers to the classroom, you're gonna be putting in some exterior lighting, you're gonna screen you know, off some certain sections, and I would hope that you would also screen off the other one too if it needs to be.

Um but those are those are the things that I wanted to just bring up.

There's another mental health component about sending your child off and putting them into a modular building.

Sometimes it doesn't feel as good when you leave the structure, the built structure, and then you go out and you have to go into a modular building.

I've certainly experienced that in my youth when I went when I went to school here in Napa.

Um, so I I guess what I would have rather have seen you come and said, hey, we're gonna build some um stick built structures and put them put them on our site instead of taking, and I, and I understand budget is a huge factor.

I understand, but I would have it it would be nice to say, hey, this is good for now.

You added a modular building in 2019, you're adding two more potentially this this year.

The buildings aren't built aren't meant to be there forever.

So thinking about and planning for something else in the future would be great if you could put that on your.

I know that's not part of our purview, but it was certainly if you could put that into your schedules, that would be great.

It's definitely the direction that I had planned on going in five years ago when COVID began and we ended up with the portable because we were the only school here in Napa that I wrote the first plan that was approved by the county and the state to keep my school open.

And so during that time, my students only went the first few months of COVID in that spring of March of 2020 without being on campus.

I fully opened my school four-year-olds through eighth grade in that fall of August, and so that gave us another place to do social distancing, and we used every single room on that property, the school gym, this the parish hall, all of those things.

We were given that portable through the district and through the program that they have.

We were offered additional portables the last few years in which um Joe and I and other um people on our site went out and viewed them in the district and found portables with mold and other things.

So I understand your concern there, and we do have high standards in regards to the safety of our students and our expectations at our school site, but because we are not a district-run school and we're not funded by government, we are solely funded on our tuition, our budget is much different at our site because I have done proposals over the last seven years that I've been there to build permanent structures.

That's definitely a goal of mine.

We still have um other things and plans for the future, but we do everything that we can to promote that um that positive culture and the health and safety of our students and our faculty and staff.

And I have to say that the fifth graders that are in the current portable, it was completely renovated, repainted, flooring redone, windows redone on the one that is on our property currently, and this is the first year that this fifth grade class has it used to be a math room, moved to that because it's a larger facility than the current fifth grade class was, and it was a larger class size, and they absolutely love it because it was redone for them, and there's a lot of different things that they like being out there.

The other rooms are going to be rotated use for small groups and different pull out sessions, and so students won't be in those rooms permanently the entire day.

There's a lot of rotations that go on in our in our school.

Great.

Thank you so much.

Thank you.

Uh does anyone else have any questions for the applicant before they sit down?

Commissioner Ebach, do you have any questions for the applicant or comments?

I understand that you mentioned that the um the plans that we received um do not reflect the renovated portables.

Um something that I didn't hear mentioned was skirting.

I I'm assuming that either the city code um requires skirting or that you plan to provide it anyways because it's on the other portable.

Correct.

It's it's a brand new vinyl skirting comes how they come to the site is in pieces, right?

So it's four units, four pieces, they bolt them together.

The the skirting is not on there, so it's always put on brand new.

That's the one thing that on the exterior usually comes brand new.

Okay, great.

Um I I very much understand the concern about portables, they're not my uh favorite um building solution by any means, but I cannot stress the importance um of having a neighborhood school, um, the location there is essential.

I think the staff report does a fantastic job of pointing to both um the land use goals that support complete neighborhoods as well as the parks and reclan goals that um address having a you know access walkability bike ability to school.

Uh I grew up in a going to a neighborhood school and like the impact on me was uh very profound.

So I well while it's not my favorite building style, I think that it's something that we can live with if it allows you to continue to offer you know modern and appropriate um education services in this neighborhood area.

Thank you.

I don't have any questions for the applicant, but I do have a comment.

Okay, no questions for the applicant.

Okay, thank you so much.

Okay, so Commissioner Myers, would you like to if I could much clarify?

If we're done with the public comment, I suggest we close that before the commission because deliberation.

Do I have a motion?

Make a motion to close the public comment.

Uh second.

Second.

All in favor?

Aye.

Thank you.

Okay, so Commissioner Meyer.

Um this is a surprisingly surprisingly active agenda item, but um presents a good opportunity for a productive discussion.

Um, I would like to thank the members of the public who spoke and the applicant.

Um I think that it's important to keep climate considerations in mind in all applications.

Uh I do think that this is great that they're recycling and reusing an existing building.

Uh I don't know the you know, line graph that would show net emissions between the new building, new construction or the repurposing of an existing building, but I bet this is uh uh a very efficient carbon uh footprint in that sense.

I do want to address the consideration that we should be um enforcing green systems in buildings at this level, um that's probably true, but although I have some green training, I have a lead green associate credential, and and that's probably outdated by now.

But um, you know, I don't think any of us, well, with one particular exception, are pr are really experts in that field, and it would be arbitrary and subjective for us to start interjecting those conditions on applications in the current set of uh governing documents that we're operating under because we aren't trained in that.

And so if if the council does want the Planning commission to begin holding a standard of reviewing the net emissions and efficiencies of HVAC systems and you know the VOC offputs of the carpets and things like that, I think that's a noble goal, but I think that we would need a clearer set of direction to fairly and appropriately implement those things.

So, you know, good motion uh in terms of progress, but it would be improper for us to begin to impart that on our own here now, in my opinion.

So, with that said, I think it's great that uh the school is offering expanded services in their learning environments, and I have uh full faith in in their uh ability to do so and uh would support the project.

Thank you.

Vice chair.

Yeah, I just have a few comments to um commend the school for increasing their footprint, not for student body, but for diversified education opportunities, especially for the middle school age students, which the data shows is our most critical age here in Napa County.

Um so I just want to thank you for that.

Great.

I have I have nothing to add.

Everyone has covered everything, and I agree with um Commissioner Myers that we're not in a position to uh do much more than trust that our we're living up to the general plan in the current zoning ordinance, and that we've trusted staff that and CEQA, the EIR, and everything else that has come before the project before it gets to us.

Um, but yeah, I'm in complete agreement that part of the general plan is to um get to net zero with you know our greenhouse gas emissions and to achieve greatness with the climate issue, but ultimately um and we I believe that you know I know for myself I do look at not only how these projects, if every single agenda item impacts not only climate but transportation and uh noise and and everything, so without we have to look at everything and climate is one of those things, all part of the general plan.

Um, all right, so do I have um anything else before we make a motion?

I think um you know, uh having the climate action now folks get up and talk about what is important to them, which is great.

Um, also talking about what's important in this project that is in front of us right now is very good.

It's good to remind us to think about those things.

But what we rely on when we get a project in is what the code allows, right?

What the building code allows.

Um, and that's where a lot of energy, I think, should also be spent from NAPA Climate Now, which I think is what they're doing, but making sure that they're enforcing or changing building codes, and we're coming up in this next year, January um 2026, we'll be getting a new set of building codes.

So as the state um propels us forward to uh 2030, we're gonna be following along with it.

So I think it's gonna become more and more a part of our project.

So learning more about it I think is imperative.

Well, I think training is where this ends up being like workshops and training for the plan commission webinars and training that is presented to us and provided to us by the city of Napa so that we can be better educated.

I'll make the motion.

Oh, okay, sorry.

Go ahead.

Yeah.

I I wanted to put a reminder out there that when we're having these discussions about the intersection between climate action and um design and use decisions, that materials are one component and um the actual um how things are installed and the the building code, this one whole piece, and then over here we have good land use.

And making good land use decisions, like I feel I feel like this application, um I'm going to make with this application, uh, has profound climate impacts.

If you think about just this site, if they are unable to continue to operate on the school site, they may need to relocate, and where is there going to be another 10 acres where they can rebuild a school?

It's probably not going to be in another neighborhood where folks can carpool and walk to school.

It's probably gonna be somewhere on the periphery of the city.

The climate impacts there are going to be immense.

And so I'm not an expert when it comes to lead certification and you know the materials piece, but I can tell you that this is a good decision in terms of good land use and the climate benefits that will come from that, and I want to make sure that we're remembering that as well when we have these discussions.

Thank you.

Anything else before we get a motion?

The only thing I'd like to add is it I hope that at some point these types of portables can be clad in something other than metal.

Something more earth-friendly and environmental, you know, it's good in environmentally aesthetically pleasing, yet, you know, an environmentally sound.

Um, so I think we've done it.

I think I'm ready for someone to make a motion.

How about Commissioner Masaro?

Okay.

I'll make a motion that the planning commission adopts a resolution approving a use permit for the physical expansion of the St.

Apollonaris campus and approving a design review permit for the design of two modular classroom buildings consisting of four classrooms at 3700 Lassen Street, and determine that the actions authorized by the resolution are exempt from the California Environmental Quality Act.

Second.

All in favor.

Aye.

Wonderful.

Motion passes.

Thank you.

Okay, so now we have item 7A, the Oxpo Hotel modification.

And we'll start with commissioner disclosures.

Um, Commissioner Myers.

I met with the applicant about a month ago.

I met with the applicant about a month ago.

Commissioner Ebach.

I also met with the applicant on the site.

And I met with the applicant about a month ago as well.

I met with the applicant at the site um previously, and I've also I recently met with the applicant as well as staff, and uh I read through the communications.

All right, so we'll now hear a report from staff writer Dilly.

Thank you, Chair Shotwell.

And members of the commission.

This is for the Hotel Oxpo modification.

I do want to remind you that there was a supplemental memo that was sent out this morning conveying um an email that was received last night.

And this is for the hotel auxpo modification, which is a request for design review permit to authorize modifications to the approved exterior facade and a two-year extension to the use permit.

The applicant is Pacific Hotel Group OLC.

Both Andrew and David Wood are here tonight, should you have any questions for the applicants as well as their representatives, both Scott and Jerry.

The project is located on the southeast corner of First Street and Sasco Avenue on multiple parcels, generally divided by the Napa Valley wine train railroad tracks.

It's approximately 0.71 acres.

The western side is vacant, containing vegetation and trees.

Eastern side is currently developed with three single story single family residences, a single-story commercial structure, and two small accessory structures.

Some of the adjacent uses include retail and office space to the north, single family residential retail, and a restaurant to the east, Napa River and existing warehouse buildings to the south, and then Saskill Avenue, Oxville Commons, and Napa River to the west.

In 2024, both February in front of Planning Commission and April in front of the city council considered a resolution for design review permit and use permit.

Considering 123 room hotel between two four story buildings, ancillary hotel guest public serving uses and below grade parking.

That project was subsequently approved, and the applicant since has been working both with the hotel brand with the architect with a civil engineer to prepare plans.

As of right now, they're in their second plan submittal in building, and they've worked through their first plan review improvement plan review with our public works department.

But this request is a design review permit and use permit to seek to modify the exterior facades, and we'll get into what changes there are.

And then a two-year extension of the existing use permit.

Really, the extension gives them the kind of financial comfort from that side, but it's not as a means of necessity.

They're tracking to be able to get a permit issued.

It's just a um kind of that confident side of should anything happen, that entitlement remains valid.

Things you're considering are those modifications, um, what we'll get into, and should you have any granular uh detailed questions?

The architect is here.

But to do a structural feasibility as they got into it, how do you actually build a structure?

Operational considerations, um, you know, primarily from the hotel brand requirements, but also just functionally, and then compliance with energy efficiency requirements.

Um, already kind of talked about the two-year extension and the applications that are currently under review as far as the plan submittal.

Um, as you're probably aware that the applicant is contracted with IHG Kempton brand to make this hotel a reality.

This rendering shows both buildings from the north elevation and what was approved by city council in April.

And the project rendering here show what is being proposed by the applicant.

There were some modifications just to the kind of the functional space and both and structural to the balcony spaces on the corners.

Um the windows up front are non-operable to meet energy efficiency requirements, but that still has that Juliet balcony that is wrought iron.

It's project rendering for the west of what was approved.

You'll see here what is proposed.

Um, do want to note the rooftop configuration of the West Building has been revised primarily to meet operational requirements.

So, what was approved through council, there was always considered to be a rooftop patio bar kitchen.

It's actually just a realization of those efforts to meet brand requirements.

So they needed the additional space from both operational side to have a larger kitchen, and there was a little bit of shifting that had to do with the cantilevered rooms being removed to the south elevation, but as well as actually covering the bar space on top.

So that the what the applicant refers to as the dog houses were extended out a little bit.

It was from roughly 15 feet to about eight and a half feet.

So there's still a portion of a step back, but very much the intention of that step back is still realized by functional space.

So members of the public hotel guests get to still enjoy the rooftop space up above.

It's just from an operational stance that that bar needs to be covered.

Um you will see a reduction in just window space overall.

Part of that was to do with ingress egress requirements, where they can locate doors, as well as just structurally to build it.

Sometimes there are implications to placement of windows that just make it rather difficult.

And you'll actually see that in all sides of the elevation, just slight reduction in the window glazing.

The project renderings to the south of what was approved by council and what is proposed here.

You'll see that the three cantilevered rooms that were removed on the west building south elevation.

Um the number of rooms overall still remains the same.

It's just there was a little bit of shifting in the floor plan.

But one big thing to note is that the covered pool at the rear of the west building has been replaced with an open air spa, partially to do with structural requirements in actually building the building, but also reflects operational feedback from the hotel's management company, and they can get into those details should you have any questions.

Project renderings to the east, and what is proposed here.

So what you'll still see, you'll still see a lot of the the trellises that existed before.

The windows are in the same locations, they still have Juliet balconies to some of the windows.

Um the big thing to do, as I mentioned, the corner balconies become more functional, allow for some of the live plantings, and actually maintenance of those live plantings as well on the corners to try to break up the facade.

Here are the west building elevations on the north side, west, south, and east.

One thing to note due to just the shifting of the floor plan a little bit, and to actually screen and mask any mechanical equipment that's on the roof, that roof line has changed subtly.

You'll see that on all sides of the elevation.

So the east building elevations on the north side, west, south, and east.

Do you want to note what was approved at that level, council in April, the pool area below, and just how it is changing to the spa, and um the applicant can get in more to the programming side of it.

But the reason why it's in front of you tonight is because you see it from the south side elevation there, as well as the west building fourth floor, which includes the balcony space of what's seen before, including the step back and the patio, and what is currently under review here tonight shows the roof line coming out a little bit, still open space, some private area open space up above along the balconies, and then where the bar is covered, as well as where the cantilevered rooms were removed along the south side.

But understand that this the under sequa um initially the project tiered from the EIR, the downtown specific specific plan in the initial concept approved by council in 20 well as of 2020 and then um 2024.

Upon receipt of the application, city staff reviewed the project and determined that the changes to the building were negligible and did not consist of any expansions to the use as approved by the city.

So our recommendation is for the planning commission to recommend to city council to determine that the approvals of this subsequent design review permit and the extension fall within the scope of the downtown specific plan EIR as documented in the 2024 addendum prepared for the approved project and on file with the city clerk.

In consideration of the design review permit, I do want to clarify that the reason why this is coming in front of you tonight is because there's condition for as part of resolution 2024 029 that required any changes to the elevations to go back to council.

Typically council the resolutions are approved in such a way that give authorization to either the planning manager or community development director to make substantial conformance determinations, as well as the possibility to process a minor amendment for minor changes to the facade, but because the council approved it in such a way that explicitly explicitly required their approval, that's the reason why you're considering it in that recommendation tonight.

Additional use permit findings and approving the extension.

With that, staff recommends the planning commission forward a recommendation to city council to adopt a resolution, approving a design review permit to modify exterior facades of a previously approved hotel project at 730 Water Street, and approving a two-year extension to the existing use permit for the project and determining that the actions authorized by the resolution were adequately analyzed by a previous CEQA action.

I do want to remind you that the applicants are here tonight, both Andrew and David Wood, as well as the architect from Air Studio Architects Jerry and Representative Scott Hunter.

So that concludes my presentation, available for any questions you have.

Thank you, Ryder.

Would do you know whether the applicant will be presenting?

The applicant available if you have any questions.

Okay.

Yeah.

Thank you.

Alright.

Um.

Do we have any questions of staff before we open up public comment?

Rider, could you show us your first set of before and after slides again, please, from I don't know, slides six and seven, something like that.

Is it the first one you've showed when it first popped up?

I can't remember.

Okay, so this is what Yeah, this will be the first one.

So this is approved and then proposed.

Yeah.

Yeah, it's it's like it's like a highlights magazine where you have to spot the differences.

Okay.

That's why when I went through it tried to call out specific, but yes, um definitely so.

So I understand that the the first floor has structural requirements that required some changes.

What's going on?

Can you point out that some some notable differences?

Okay, I'll go back.

Yeah.

If I can, I can actually go to the floor plan on the fourth floor.

Thanks.

It's just so hard to like see exactly what the changes are.

I mean you see that it looks different, but I can't point it out.

One to note on the corner balconies.

What you'll see is kind of that cantilevered balcony on the corner that makes it structurally just difficult to do.

It also makes the the space functionally weird.

Um what you'll find is you'll see how that that balcony space was brought in a little bit in the corners.

So if you look to the top left corner and top right corner, you'll see that those balconies were slightly reduced in size.

Okay.

Um if you also look on this top patio, you won't see a roof line.

And I know understand it's still hard to see on this.

That's why that the attachment was available for the floor plan.

But you'll see where the actual roof line was projected out, how it's used, both kitchen and dining space, and then you'll see a slight dotted line that runs across just on the top of the outdoor bar dining where there's gonna be a covered roof line.

Um, as far as let's see.

Okay.

So if you look at the approved on the west building to the left, you'll see the the three rooms, the Juliet balcony, the three windows that run in the middle on the top, removed.

There's still a walkway, is there's an open courtyard.

There's actually open courtyard on both buildings, but you can see it from the west building out in the public facing in.

So you'll see the cantilevered rooms that existed above it that were removed.

Right, or could I suggest that maybe you could use your cursor to really show exactly what you're explaining?

Because I'm listening to you and I'm kind of what you don't have.

Cantilevered rooms here.

So, I think I see what's what's like sticking in my mind, which is the size of the windows and then the treatments on the windows across the middle of the building.

Is that a structural change or is that a preference change?

It's both structural and for energy efficiency.

Okay.

Oh, right.

Yeah.

Uh I mean, most hotels that you do stay in, you'll notice that you can open the windows slightly.

You can't open them fully unless they're dedicated about the space.

Yeah.

But I'll let the the hotel experts maybe get into the nuances of that.

And yeah, the architect, definitely.

Okay.

Would you like for the architect to come?

Yeah.

Could we call the architect up, please?

Thank you.

Thank you for being here.

Hi.

I'm uh quite a bit shorter than most people.

Um hi, nice to meet you.

My name is Jerry Wee Thannel.

I work for Air Studio Architects.

I'm Air 3 architects is the architect of record, and we have had the um opportunity and privilege and joy of bringing this thoughtfully crafted design from Howard Backen and making it constructible.

Like Ryder said, we are deep into the permit uh processing um phase of this project.

And um one big element that we had to consider with the windows was specifically how we were going to meet Title 24 glazing um requirements and how we're gonna meet those requirements, were to either um drastically remove a lot of windows, which we absolutely did not want to do, or reduce all across, or sorry, uh reduce a lot on the west side, but what could you speak a little closer to the that's okay?

It's hard to tell.

Um generally speaking, when it comes to windows, it's very hot on the west side, so just really uh layman terms, it's very difficult to make large portions of windows comply for um all the calculations that come in with either prescriptive or performance-wise, they're very difficult.

And so in we realized this is a 360 degree viewable building.

We have designed it to look great on all four sides, and so proportionately we had to reduce the windows to be able to meet the Title 24 calculations, the um to meet those standards, um, but also to uh keep the building um consistent with the general design.

So that's what you're seeing.

That's exactly what you're noticing, the slightly smaller windows.

Do I have any other questions of the applicant while she's up here or the architect?

Well, why while we're on the subject of windows?

Yeah.

So I do understand that you reduce the size of the windows just to stop that heat gain from coming in, right?

So the only issue I for me is that when I look at when I can um I look at the new design compared to the old design, or even compared to the what it looks like now.

So this is the new design.

The um I really appreciate the whole design aesthetic of the vertical.

And I just think that putting in the more square window horizontal window detracts from the rest of the vertical.

So I don't know.

For me, it seems like I would rather have a longer window there, maybe a slightly less wide window, but a longer window to give it to still give it that stretched feeling that the other vertical windows give.

So, I think in this rendering, um, maybe it's just the rendering that is causing the problem because in the elevations I can see it a little bit better, but but that's one of the issues, one of the issues that I have.

So I just think it it just gives such an odd feeling.

Um can you talk while we're on the subject of your building?

Um, can we talk a little bit about the change in the roof um pitch and the roof design?

The original proposal from Backen was gave us a roof design that looked a little um interesting, much more interesting than what we see on the renderings here, because we saw some negative space up there, and I know that it had to be switched around to to meet the um the Kemptum standard to be able to use that space up there for people, but it we just we've lost some of the interest of this building in that respect, especially when you think about driving down um Sawskill Avenue towards downtown towards this hotel, you're driving down, and that's really when you see that roof line of the building, not so much when you're walking around, but when you see that roof line in so that to me is a loss.

Um and I'm wondering what we're gonna gain, you know, what where's the gain in the um in the design for that in the visual aspect of it?

Where are we gonna say aha?

Um the other item that I'll point out.

I'm not sure that it was talked about on your on the first round of approvals, and I know you weren't part of that.

Um but the Nietzsche siding that you spec'd out on the plans, it's a really great siding, and there's a lot of different variations you can do.

You do it horizontal, you can do it vertical, and in this case you're doing it vertical.

The renderings give the exterior of the building in both renderings, kind of a haphazardly sort of stacked look of that vertical, vertical look and kind of a weathered kind of situation.

The Nietzsche ha really isn't that and it's typically when it when it um is on the side of the building, it stacks on top of itself, right?

And then you have control joints around it, which I see on the elevations and not so much on the renderings, but it does change kind of the look of um what when we see this building build, it's gonna be like, oh, I didn't think it was gonna be like that, you know, um from a layman's standpoint.

So those are those are just some of the questions, issues, I don't, you know, changes that I see kind of happening with this with this building, and it feels like we're just gonna get something a little bit less special.

I mean, it's on the other hand, I'm happy that you're investing in the community and and all of that, but I just I just want to know where where is special gonna be in the building when we look at it.

Sure.

I appreciate all of those very thoughtful questions.

We actually thought of every part of um every point that you brought up were things that we had to consider as well.

Um so let me like start backwards a little bit to your point on the nichiha.

You're right.

They are all you typically uh stacked.

Um we worked directly with the product manufacturer to find out how could we exactly get this staggered plank look so it looks more like the original entitlements and the um the very specific planking orientation and we have to prepare a map um that the submittal will essentially be given to us to review and make sure every little plank is exactly where it has to be.

Um we know that the planks can be stacked, so it looks like one, two, three planks, and then we can stagger it.

One, two, three planks and stagger it.

So there is going to be a substantial amount of staggering.

Um is it a little bit more complicated to draw up and put together, sure, but it's worth it, and it's definitely something that um we have considered and that we've worked out as a detail um directly with the um the product web.

So um there are still vertical control rights that have to happen because um planks don't even just regular wood planks don't uh extend for forever.

And so there are limits to the height that need to occur, and we are intending on staggering them in three plank segments, and so that's that's still what you're intending um what you will see at the end.

Um then the roof portion.

Um I see where you're coming from at on a on an elevation without real depth and seeing in a 3D how these pitch roofs can look.

Um the mansard behind it is is a pitch roof.

We've got the gable roofs coming along um along each side, so you can see it pop out, pop out, pop out the means and the the the reason for the man third roof behind is yes one structurally to uh tie a diaphragm so it has more um lateral but also uh functionally it it serves as a great way to screen all of the mechanical equipment that's gonna be on the roof there's gonna be a substantial amount of mechanical equipment on the roof and we don't want anybody to be able to see it on whether you're um on the street or miles down the road like you're going to be able to see the profile of the building and not the actual mechanical screen and because it's tied behind I think it's uh in some places um it's up to five feet tall the mechanical roof and the deck it's a good amount of acoustical screening as well because sound has a hard time coming through where you have holes you would hear sound and then um back to the the window question um from a functionality point of view if you're if you're in a guest room and you have a really tall window versus a really wide window um it's hard to find privacy in that very very tall window and so we optimize having those taller windows not from dropping the still height which also would require um per code um extra tempered glazing and and those kinds of things um we actually made them taller and we tried to extend them to the to the bottom of the ceiling where it allowed and so we're playing with the visual articulation along the exterior um we think that makes the the variety of different sizes of windows we feel makes it more special and feels like there's a rhythm as opposed to everything being um very very tall and um homogenous essentially thank you right are there any other questions quite possibly uh does anyone else have any questions for the architect before she thank you all right thank you so much right so um any more questions of staff before we open public comment okay all right so I'd like to open up public comment welcome back yes good evening Gordon Heuther 1041 McKenzie Drive um I've been advocating for this project working on this project for about six seven years pretty much from the beginning and I have a special interest in it um because I don't live very far from there and I drive by it every day and obviously being up there for twenty years I have special interests in all things NAPA and the standards that we hold ourselves to in terms of design.

Um but I really feel like these are pretty minor overall and we're so around the corner from this one finally breaking loose.

Love to see that happen.

Also full disclosure I am the artist for the project and that question about where's my aha moment um we haven't really identified exactly where the art's going and we don't know exactly what it is but you know it could very well be on that saw school edge and that would really act um really reinforce this idea of hey writer um hey Michael.

Um I always want to call you Perry Mason you remote period of um it's a gateway project.

It's gateway architecture and um we want to reinforce that with um with the public art component and you know Kempton, they have they have a pretty nice one up in uh Salt Lake City where I have to go quite a bit, and it's definitely a boutique luxury brand, and I think we should be excited um to have them come to town.

I know they've been wanting to come here for a long time, and I think they finally um found some people in a project that um fit for them.

So I would just encourage you all to vote yes and kick it up to council.

It's good to see you.

Thank you.

Thank you, Gordon.

Are there any other members?

Yes, great.

Chris.

Welcome back, Chris.

Thank you, Chris Benz, Napa Climate.

Now, I wanted to let you all know that the project really does address its climate impacts.

Resolution 2429, approving the hotel construction project has these requirements.

Condition 19 requires that off-road equipment used on site to construct the project would achieve a fleet-wide average 84% reduction in diesel particulate matter, exhaust emissions, or greater, and this will reduce both air pollution and climate pollution.

Condition 25 of the resolution requires a greenhouse gas reduction plan that quote includes the proper elements to reduce emissions from the project below 660 metric tons of carbon dioxide equivalent annually.

The plan shall be reviewed and approved by the planning manager.

Elements of this plan may include but would not be limited to the following a installation of solar power systems or other renewable electric generating systems that provide electricity to power on-site equipment and possibly provide excess electric power.

B, install efficient space and water heating systems, and it goes on and on.

We hope the applicant will make the buildings all electric, and if not, explain why not and exactly how the required emissions reductions will be achieved.

Asking the projects that come before you to be as energy efficient as possible to improve the city's active transportation network and incorporate green infrastructure, makes the vision of our general plan a reality and makes Napa a healthier home for all of us.

Thank you for all the work you're doing and for this project.

Thank you, Chris.

Any other members of the public?

Nope.

Do I have a motion to close public comment?

So moved.

I'll second.

All in favor?

I okay.

So um who would like to begin with any additional comments or questions.

I will start.

Um thank you for all of your comments.

I am in support of this project.

My only hang up is the two-year extension.

Just because I d you know, we keep giving them all.

I have a feeling it'll be permitted before then, but that's my only question.

I don't know your guys' thoughts on that.

It's a great question.

I we I think we all want things to really now that we have momentum, there's such a movement happening right now with the first street or the NAPA, what is it, the first street phase two.

Uh I just feel like we just really are all excited about the the growth and development that's already happening right in front of us, and we we don't want to we we want to kind of keep that momentum going.

So we can discuss that.

Yeah, I mean, I I think that having recently gone through some permitting uh myself, um, you know, one one little section of your permits could go six months.

I'm and there's no real possibility that anyone could do it faster at this point in time.

So if they need two years, they need it.

That would be uh my take as well.

I mean, I just construction times right now are running long, and we actually everyone's been saying that for like 20 years, but um, but it is true, and I would hate for them to have to come back for another um extension uh just because there's some minor hiccup in supply chain or something unforeseen.

So um I would be in support of approving both the design changes and the two-year extension.

Okay.

Um I will just say a few things.

I um I too, you know, when Gordon came up, I was happy that he mentioned, you know, it is a gateway, it's the gateway to the Oxbow district.

It is such a primary location when you're coming, you know, into Napa into downtown Napa specifically.

So we want that building to really be something to be proud of.

Um I actually I really appreciate all of your comments because I always learned so much uh from you.

Um, but I really like the variations of the windows.

I love the fact that there are wider windows and longer windows.

I really do feel like it adds character and depth and um texture, you know, to just it's it's to me more appealing than having all, you know, all of the windows being long.

And especially like the architect had mentioned, when you're in those rooms, it's nice to be able to in you know enjoy more of a view, and I think that will that design will lend to that.

Um I wanted to say that I have believe I have stayed in at least eight or ten different Kimpton hotels throughout the nation.

It has always been the most wonderful experience, no matter where I am.

Kimpton hotels always tend to bring in the environment, the vibe of a town or city.

I've stayed in Kimptons in small towns and even in like Chicago.

I have um been blown away by how boutiquey they feel and they really get it right.

When the applicants first came to us on this project early on in my in my um first term on this commission, I had we were talking about like the ways of um, and this was before they partnered with Kempton, this was early on, and I was I had mentioned that it would be nice that this boot if it was a boutiquey type of of essence, you know, in terms of this what this is going to be.

Could we bring about something that was relevant to the Oxpo?

And I had mentioned why don't you have door handles that are the shape of the Oxpo river, you know, and they love the idea.

I would see that Kimpton could potentially even wrap their brains around that.

Um I'm sure I'm fairly sure that won't happen, but if anyone was going to do it, Kimpton would probably do it.

And they're also part of IHG, another great um organization and entity in the hotel world.

Um so that's all I really need to say at this point.

My turn?

Yeah, um, thanks for all your great comments back on the windows and things.

I think what would what'll probably create that wow moment I'm thinking is what ever what type of railing you're gonna put on the Juliet window, you know.

That I think that's gonna really make that window be a little bit different and uh better um compliance and you know, in with those other vertical windows.

So um just that and um thank you for answering on the questions.

Uh I think this is a very good project.

I'm happy to see it get built.

The use permit question, we're talking about the use permit for them having the property to be a hotel, correct?

And two years is pretty much the standard ask when somebody does a use permit extension.

Yeah, the probably the the most clear a good clarifying comment is that it's an extension of a use permit.

So it's not a new use permit.

They're requesting an extension of the existing use permit, which is required for the uh hotel as well as for the design of you permit.

Uh, but you could the commission could grant one, two, three, four, whatever years.

There's nothing.

There's no limitation on a development project.

It's only 10 of the maps that have limitations on not more than six years that a local municipality can forward it.

Uh as writer mentioned, they're already in their second round plan check.

So they're moving with their permits, but unfortunately, with a project like this, sometimes it can take a third and maybe a fourth.

Hopefully not, but it can't sometimes take time.

So that's where this applicant team, you know, with their financers, they need more assurance that the that it's not the entitlement's not going to expire while they're going through their permit process, and it can take a while.

But they are actively and diligently working on getting this built there.

Like you like we've heard, they have the Kimpton brand on board.

This is like the first street now, but now where they are moving to get this built.

Okay, great.

And they're in second round of plan check in your building.

You put both buildings in to plan check?

Okay.

Yeah, I would be in favor of extending it for the two years.

All right.

Do I have a motion or is it would would anyone else like to speak before a motion?

Okay.

We've uh forward a recommendation.

Make a motion to forward a recommendation to the city council to adopt a resolution approving a design review permit and use permit to authorize the modifications to the approved exterior facades and request and approve the two-year extension to the previously approved design review and use permit for the property located at 730 Water Street, and determine that the actions are authorized.

The actions authorized by the resolution are adequately analyzed by a previous CEQA action.

Second.

Great.

All in favor?

I agree.

Motion passes.

Thank you.

Godspeed.

All right, we do not have any administrative reports.

Any comments by commissioners or staff?

No comments from staff.

I I okay.

Do you have a com do you have a comment?

It's just a silly one.

It's nonsense.

Okay.

I just wanted to ask staff.

Do we have an update on the I wrote it down?

The project that came before us for the elite sports pavilion.

They needed to move the storage, um, those storage units or to well the storage units being relocated had nothing really related to the least store uh pavilion.

Okay.

We are the city of Napa is just continuing with code enforcement on that.

So it's separate from that project, which incidentally, if you might have read that project's not moving forward at this point.

I didn't pulled out.

Yeah, they're not delicious.

Whatever reason, they're not they're not moving forward.

So the use permit's been approved, so some maybe someone would pick it up and carry it forward, but right now that's not going to be the case.

But currently code enforcement is working on that.

I I don't have an exact update, but they're working on that uh the code enforcement of the storage for the well that's not good news.

Okay, thank you.

Well, all right.

Well, speaking of our youth, just a silly.

If you have children, re-watch this at minute 55.

Um Commissioner Myers says, look at slide six, seven.

And that's the hard.

And I thought, okay, I have to rewind this for my children tomorrow.

I wondered why you were laughing.

Anyway, people with children will get understanding.

I got the highlights reference.

I can't believe I thought that magazine 55.

Yeah, you need an eight.

Yes.

And you have to do this.

Oh, wow.

It really means nothing that they're all right.

I need to know this.

I my godchild just turned 12 today, so I'm sure I'll just ask him.

Show him tonight.

I will do that.

Yeah, right.

Okay.

Well, any comments by staff?

Only comment I might add is that the next uh uh planning commission hearing is likely to be uh canceled as we get closer to to uh Thanksgiving and uh our scheduling of items probably would not fall until December 4th.

Okay.

Well that gives us more time to shop and prepare.

I'm sorry, Ryder.

Right, do we have something?

Um there will be one item, the next PC, but I think the following no.

I think the second in December.

We have the fourth.

It'll be the second meeting of December.

We probably will cancel.

It would be probably one item the next planning commission.

You just tell us when to be here.

We'll be here.

Maybe six, seven.

We'll be here next year.

Yeah, maybe six.

Well, let's see what it says.

What item is that?

We've moved something, didn't we?

A variant.

Oh, that's right.

That's right.

Okay, yes.

I have a question.

So as we're coming up on the end of the year, which means um at some point, um planning commission application season will happen.

When is that going to happen?

When is it going to be open for applications?

You know, I have to go back and look at that.

I'm not sure whose whose term is up.

Somebody already submitted their application.

Ooh, yay.

We will report back to you at the next meeting.

Good.

Thank you.

Okay.

Well, we are so we believe that the next regularly regularly scheduled meeting for the planning commission of the city of Napa is not November twentieth.

No, it will be.

It will be.

We do have an item that was we we've moved something I forgot that was.

Oh, please, by all means.

Sorry.

Um I just wanted to say that I was really impressed with the staff report and the presentation with the elevations because I had such a difficult time when I was looking through the plan set myself, going through and identifying what had changed and having the comparable side by side and then the boxes call outs.

It was very, very helpful and great work to you all on that.

Thank you.

I agree with that fully and completely.

It's a great night.

We are now adjourned.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Alex, I'm so glad to know that I had to put something in your code.

Yes.