Good afternoon and welcome to the Life Enrichment Committee meeting for today, May twelfth.

The time is now four eleven p.m.

and this meeting has come to order.

If you are here within chambers and you would like to submit a speaker's card, please pull one out and turn it to a clerk representative of my left or right before the item is read into record.

This meeting came to order at four eleven p.m.

Speaker cards will no longer be accepted ten minutes after meeting has begun, making that time for twenty-one p.m.

With that, we would now proceed to take roll.

Thank you.

We have a motion made by Councilmember Guile, seconded by Councilmember Wong to accept the draft minutes of the committee meeting on March 3rd and April 21st, 2026 as is on roll.

Councilmember Guyo.

Aye.

Thank you, Councilmember Wong.

Aye.

Councilmember Houston is excused and chair five.

Aye.

We have three three ayes, one excuse Houston.

Moving to item two, determination of schedule outstanding committee items.

Noting Councilmember Houston present at 4:13 p.m.

And we do have one speaker for this item.

Okay, thank you, Madam City Clerk.

Before we take that public speaker, I would like to remove item three from the pending list no date specific.

It is the report on the city's official newspapers.

City's newspapers.

Councilmember Guile.

On the outstanding committees, Madam Chairperson, what I'd like to do, maybe, since it's not the committee, but be be able to bring a report on our cannabis operation here in the city of Oakland, considering it's a life enrichment issue, but at the same time, I want to know financially the millions of dollars that are being generated.

Where are they going and how are they being spent within the city of Oakland?

Um said when we establish the system, it was for life enrichment services.

Thank you.

Yeah.

Thank you, Councilmember Guy.

Are you working currently with anyone on that item yet?

No, not yet.

I mean, the some of the commissioners came to me can be concerned that they don't have a quorum to even meet, and yet some of the cannabis operations are doing other things besides cannabis, and we're not the permitting process that we used to have.

It's not in order.

And I was surprised to even hear from the the individual that does the sign-up that when it comes to the smoke um the smoke shops that we have, it's the state of California that approves those and not the city.

And so we need to put that in order and get it back so we can support these programs.

Thank you.

Thank you, Councilmember Guile.

Council Member Houston.

Yes, through the chair.

I want to support what no um supervisor not supervisor.

Councilmember Noel Gallo said a hundred percent.

Whatever I can do, supervise.

I mean, council member is is to help you support you on this.

I will do it.

Because in my district, they're supposed to have uh 50 foot beautification um process.

Not doing it.

Um it's not what Desley had started, you know.

She wanted that to be uh for the underprivileged and and us to get a piece of that.

It's not the same, right?

And this one in my district right now, breaking all the rules, didn't finish their permitting process, um, didn't get their building permit properly, but and they got a stop work notice and they continued.

So council, I want to call you council supervisor.

That's what you should be, supervisor.

So council member Guile, I will support you 100% on this.

So what if we need council member Houston?

If your policy staff could connect with councilmember guiles, I want to avoid a quorum of this body.

Uh, I think it's important to have that informational report come through.

So if your policy staff can work with council member guiles, we will you should bring that item um and schedule it at rules.

Thank you.

I'll entertain a motion.

I'll make a motion.

Call in our public speaker, Mr.

Sada.

There are communities in this city that I think deserve more attention.

Seniors in this city are a large part of the population.

We even have a commission who deals with issues around our seniors.

Well, but we don't bring it to this body.

What are we doing that accommodates the needs and concerns of seniors?

I'd like to see that addressed at some point.

The other group is our disability group.

We also have a committee that serves to address the needs, and I'm saying committee, it's a city commission of our disabled community.

And we don't have any feedback to address anything other than what they are dealing with, and other than the annual report.

We need more concentration on that.

Another group, I don't know, foster youth, dealing with OUSD, they have some tremendous challenges.

People who are victims, we can help have services for them.

I don't think that goes into public safety.

I think it goes here in life enrichment because dealing with trauma in any form, being a victim of a crime, domestic violence, uh abuse of any kind, how we service if we can.

We made a decision to let our director go after a short period of time, and we have not had consistent leadership in that department for quite some time, and I hope that we can produce evidence that the human services department is on task, particularly around areas of homelessness and head start.

Thank you.

That concludes your public speakers for item two.

We do have a motion made by Councilmember Houston, seconded by Councilmember Guyo to accept as amended the determination to schedule outstanding committee items with the amendments to withdrawing item three regarding the report on the city city's official newspaper under pending no date specific.

On roll, Councilmember Guyo.

Councilmember Houston.

Aye.

Thank you, Councilmember Wong.

I and Chair Fife.

Aye.

This motion does pass with four eyes to accept as amended determination to schedule outstanding committee items with the amendment stated on record.

Moving to item three.

Adopt a resolution authorizing a one-year memorandum of understanding to the receipt of any kind services with digital lift for the digital digital literacy training and related service at Oakland Senior Centers, value at a total amount not to exceed 67,500 and two authorizing the city administrator to accept additional services and extend their memorandum of understanding with four up to three additional years.

And you do have three speakers.

Thank you, Madam City Clerk.

If we could put three minutes on the clock, and I will ask if Jesse Carter is available to present.

Outstanding.

Good afternoon, Chair Fife and members of the Life Enrichment Committee.

My name is Jesse Cutter, and I'm the outreach developer for aging and adult services.

I am here because Human Services would like to sign an MOU with digital lift.

Digital Lift is a nonprofit organization formerly known as the Community Tech Network.

The senior centers have hosted digital literacy classes with them before, and they were all well received.

We've worked with ITD to ensure security procedures are in place.

Digital Lyft will provide basic digital training for four in-person cohorts.

There'll be two hours each for a total of um sorry for eight-hour course.

The classes will be in English and Mandarin.

We'll also provide beyond the basic digital literacy training, and these will be in person, no income restrictions.

Members bring their own devices, two hours for each training, and the classes will be in English and Mandarin.

Sample trainings that have been offered in the past are password management, scam clickbait, misinformation, connecting to Wi-Fi, internet searching.

Thank you.

Is that your full presentation?

That's my whole presentation.

Thank you.

And it's it's critical because our seniors do tend to be targets of of these internet scams.

I just I need these services too.

How old do you have to be to be considered a senior?

I need support.

Do I have comments from the body before we take our public speakers?

Councilmember Guyo.

What are the numbers of seniors uh in the city of Oakland?

Does anyone have that usually we would get that information yeah um around sixty eight thousand sixty eight thousand in the city of Oakland twenty five percent of the population okay and the fastest growing population and the fastest growing population that's the screw power to the seniors council member council member guy are you complete yes thank you council member heuston yes how's it working okay good through the chair um our mandarum in English what about my Spanish um speaking family at this time they don't have an instructor to do Spanish we've hosted Spanish in the past and we didn't have um many attendants that is something that we're working on growing to make sure that we have the audience for the classes okay um and how do we get like the results I know you guys they're doing a great job but I want to get some results even though I know us in kind we still want to find out the results and see how it's been helping our seniors because let me tell you I love my seniors at the East Oakland Sports Center.

Yes so yeah it's in the MOU that they will do an afterward evaluation and we'll get that data and that information to share with you.

Okay thank you council member wong thanks uh if this is being offered in mandored in Cantonese I hope there's we chat specific uh like scam avoidance um I'm actually curious if there is that um I do believe there is when they do they they'll do it in sections and like they'll have a specific topic well they have in the past they'll have a specific topic on how to use weChat so they'll do it on how to use YouTube so they'll do platform specific as well as general misinformation as well.

Okay great um and thanks also for um ensuring that this program is multilingual I appreciate that and with that I'll make a motion to uh adopt the staff recommendation thank you for that motion we will hear from our public speakers I believe we have three on this item and then we'll um I'll entertain a second when I call your name please approach the podium if you're participating via zoom please raise your hand so you're easily identified Blair Beekman with a and David Boltright David Boatwright I commend digital lift for offering uh the senior center services at no cost to the city hopefully they will be successful among other benefits at helping seniors avoid internet fraud I also hope that they will be able to improve their 28% participant completion rate for their prior such program so um I just want to throw in that word literacy when I first thought it saw it I said whoa god we don't realize how many people uh are not reading uh capable of reading Oakland OUSD 70% of the students are reading at below grade level and it's not just reading it's reading comprehension so you you might show a person how to read something on a on the internet with the comprehension capacity uh I can speak to my deficiency when I read something I have to read it several times and then it clicks uh after that but I would like to have the capacity the problem solve uh when I I'm on the uh internet because when something glitches, I don't know what to do.

So is that a part of the problem?

Process as it stands at this point.

Problem solving on the internet, or just when it's working perfectly, how to use it.

Nope.

Don't answer.

No, nope, you can't talk to me.

Don't answer.

Stop uh I do that sometimes to throw y'all off, but you can't you know you can't throw it.

And the last thing is uh the number of participants in the report.

I saw sixty and nine numbers.

What is the actual number that can be accommodated with this present uh opportunity for seniors?

Moving to our Zoom speaker, Blair, you may unmute yourself and begin your comment.

Uh thanks for this item.

It sounds like a good one.

Uh I'm always trying to figure out ways that uh internet uh use can be more accessible to people who don't understand it, like me.

Believe it or not, it's been quite a journey for me to better understand uh internet life broadband ideas and um the work I do with tech accountability.

I feel really helps that process.

I think teaching our young people and our elders the ideas of responsible practices and that they can have a voice in our technology in our community in our placement, and um it's just uh it that I think makes the whole process less intimidating, you know, and that's what we really need, and what we're really trying to go for, I think, is how can the technology process be less intimidating to everyone and not fearful?

So uh I like tech accountability, and I really like this item what you're working towards and uh what it's trying to address and good luck in how to consider uh tech accountability practices uh in in our teaching lessons that I think can be of help, and uh yeah, they provide provide hope and um this uh feels safer, basically.

So good luck um what you can do, and and thank you for this item.

That concludes your public speakers for item three.

Before I entertain a second on this item, um I do have another couple questions for Jesse just based on what we heard from the public speakers.

What is the total capacity for this program?

And does the literacy training include understanding what happens if things just glitch and like break down?

Great questions.

There'll be 40 for each type of training, so 40 for the basic digital literacy training and forty for the basic digital literacy.

Sorry, beyond the basics, 40 for each, and then um within each category there is problem solving.

So for the how to access the internet, there is problem solving built into that, and then when it's platform specific in the past, right?

We haven't set the topics for this yet, um, but in the past, when we've done like intro to YouTube, there was problem solving for that.

Thank you for that.

And I want to say to Mr.

Beekman, if you're still listening, we're having trouble with your connection.

So maybe on the next upcoming items you can do some digital literacy with your internet connection.

Um Mr.

Houston, Councilmember Houston, you have the floor.

Just real quick through the chair.

Um, their name was community tech um network prior.

Why did they change their name?

And do we have results from when they did it community tech work?

Because now it's digital lift, right?

Jesse, is that something you can answer?

I can't answer why they changed their name, but I can answer that in April of 2025.

We completed four series of four workshops.

They were held in English and Mandarin.

There is 98 unique learners, and 20 of seven of them completed the full series, and then I have series um topics.

I don't have any of the evaluation information though.

Okay.

Is that something that will be collected this time?

Yes, it's in the MOU for us to collect this time.

Councilmember Houston.

You're good.

I'll entertain a second.

Thank you.

We have a motion made by Councilmember Wong, seconded by Councilmember Houston to approve the recommendations of staff, and forward this item to the May 19th City Council agenda on role.

Councilmember Guyo.

I council member Houston.

I councilmember Wong.

Aye.

And Chair Five.

Aye.

This motion does pass with four eyes to approve the recommendations of staff and afford this item to the May 19th.

City Council agenda through the body.

Would that be consent?

Councilmember Wong, you made the motion.

Consent non-consent.

It's unanimous, so.

Thank you.

Moving to item four.

Adopt a resolution authorizing the city administrator to sign and execute an agreement with the California Department of Health Care Services and its third-party administrator related to the California providing access and transforming health capacity infrastructure transition expansion and development program intergovernmental governmental excuse me transfer award implement of Cal AIM Ready Oakland project and deliver enhanced care management and community supports high need Medi-Cal population in Oakland to accept and appropriating the past cited IGT award and amount not to exceed 1,351,113.75 cents, which requires non-federal local share equal to 50% of the award and three authorizing the city to commit the required non-federal local share equal to the 50% of total DHCS IGT awarded amount of $675,556.75 cents in order to draw down the corresponding federal match from DHCS, and you do have three speakers.

Thank you for that, madam clerk.

I will ask for five minutes on the clock.

And Anna, please step up.

You have the floor.

Good afternoon, Chair Fife and members of the Life Enrichment Committee.

My name is Anna Bagtus, Human Services Manager overseeing the Aging and Adult Services Division in the Human Services Department.

I'm here today to present the resolution authorizing Oakland to accept an appropriate approximately 1.35 million dollars from California Department of Health Care Services for this Path cited funding to implement the Cal AIM Ready Oakland project.

The PAP cited funding will allow the city to establish Cal AIM, enhance case care management, and community support services for Medi-Cal residents in Oakland, including seniors at risk of institutionalization, adults 25 years and older who are currently unhoused or at risk of becoming unhoused due to high utilization of health and mental health services and other residents with complex medical medical and social needs to frequently utilize hospitals and emergency departments.

Importantly, this initiative is intended to position Oakland for long-term sustainability beyond the PAPS cited funding period.

The goal is for the city to establish the infrastructure care coordination systems and operational capacity necessary to eventually contract directly with managed care plans such as Kaiser and Alameda Alliance for ongoing reimbursement and sustainable funding for these services and for the clients that we generate from this program.

Accepting this funding will allow Oakland to take a more active and visible role in the Cal AIM and managed care space while strengthening the city's ability to coordinate services for its most vulnerable residents.

The funding will also allow the city to open enrollment to additional eligible clients that the city currently does not have the capacity to serve due to existing funding limitations by expanding care coordination capacity and establishing reimbursable Cal AIM services.

I also want to emphasize that the required city match is already substantially met through existing human services department staffing funded through current city allocations, including general fund dollars.

These are care managers that are already serving residents that may qualify for Cal AIM services that I described.

Rather than creating a new workforce or new service structure.

The city is strategically deploying existing care managers and care coordination staff to formalize and expand work that is already occurring with eligible Medi-Cal clients in alignment with the Cal AIM enhanced Care Management and community supports model.

The Path cited funding will also allow the city to further develop a community health worker workforce.

These are individuals with lived experience and are connected deeply to the communities and clients where it's trying to serve through these programs.

Community health workers will support outreach, enrollment, engagement, and follow-up activities, helping clients remain connected to services while also supporting lead care managers and freeing up their time to focus on implementation and fulfillment of individualized care plans.

These are care managers who are already working directly with vulnerable Oaklanders that may be eligible for CalAIM services.

Because these are Medicaid eligible populations, the city is also able to draw down and claim medical administrative activities funding associated with care coordination and related services.

This allows Oakland to maximize outside reimbursement opportunities while strengthening services we are already providing.

So this resolution is really about leveraging existing city capacity to bring sustainability more uh sustainably more uh state and federal resources into Oakland's care delivery systems.

The resolution does three things.

First, it authorizes the city administrator to execute the agreement with the Department of Healthcare Services and its third party administrator.

Second, it accepts and appropriates a total project amount of approximately 1.35 million dollars, which reflects a 50-50 funding partnership between the state for the federal matching funds and the city's required local share contribution.

And third, it authorizes the required local match of approximately $675,000 in order to draw down the full federal participation available through the program.

I also want to clarify the composition of the local match because it is important to note that these are not all general fund dollars.

And even the general fund component is not entirely new money.

Much of the value is tied to existing staff salaries and ongoing work already being performed by city employees serving these populations.

In other words, this resolution allows the city to strategically use existing investments to unlock additional state and federal funding, improve coordination of care, expand access to eligible residents, and strengthen Oakland's Oakland's uh health and social service uh supports for the highest needy population.

Staff respectfully recommends adoption of the resolution by moving it to the city council for approval and consent at a future meeting.

Thank you for your support, and I'm happy to answer questions.

Thank you.

We'll go ahead and take public speakers if there are not any initial up.

Councilman.

Public speakers, please.

Thank you.

Blair.

Blair Beekman, Ms.

Sada, and David Buttright.

David Biltwright.

This appears to be the fourth and final segment of this program with funding ending at the end of 2026.

And uh as a result of that, the question arises uh are these funds already in the budget for the year ending in the end of June and next fall, because there won't be any funds after that.

And another thing is uh there's a statement on the top of page five that's not very favorable, but it's recommended that performance evaluation be performed on this funding once it's completed.

And that in the report is it wasn't required, and it won't be done.

Uh and the last thing is uh I hope this is not an example of what happened after uh COVID and all these funds from outside the city were were flooding in and helping us out, and people become used to getting these funds, and if the funding from outside stops, we won't be able to do something like this.

Thank you.

Here again is where your sanctuary city status can be considered a problem.

There's no way that the amount of money that's being allocated right now can cover everybody.

You have to have a method of deciding who is going to be able to be access have access to these funds and this capacity to get health needs addressed, but you don't address it based on you are a citizen of this country.

People that come here and don't have legal status to be here can get in front of you to deal with the needs that you as citizens should have first priority, but that's not the way you do it.

And I don't know if anybody thinks that's okay, but it's not okay.

People who are citizens of this country deserve to be in line first, and anybody else who you identify that needs help, they can get behind us, but you don't do that.

So legitimate citizens of this country are being denied the opportunity to have health care issues addressed because you are giving that opportunity to people in this country illegally, and you're not going to address it.

Thank God I'm not in that position because I would be raising mohell.

But you at some point have to stop this initiative of replacing citizenship with community because it doesn't work all the time.

Replacing residency with citizenship.

I'm sorry, my time's up.

Okay, I got so.

When are we gonna address Sanctuary Cities disproportionately impact on citizens of Oakland?

Blair Beekman, please unmute yourself and begin your comment.

Hi, Blair Beekman.

Uh, thank you very much for the words of Council Person Fife uh previously.

Uh I was sitting in a nice, you know, building in a lobby.

You know, I thought my reception would be really good.

I'm sorry it wasn't.

Um I'm sitting outside now, hopefully it will be okay.

Um I uh I thought this item was gonna be about issues around uh the path agency that finds housing for people and it was somehow related, but I I'm getting the sense it's not.

But um, nice public comment uh from David Boatwright.

Um I'm I'm concerned about uh you know uh our era of COVID funding and how we transition from that era into regular funding again.

And it takes a lot to do that to figure that out, and I wish we had more sense to do that.

I thank you immensely in Oakland that with the massive deficits that you have, uh you're still trying to promote and still trying to offer social services.

You're working really well that people can be taken care of, and even in in tough budget times that we're in.

Uh, like I keep saying, I'm in San Diego, um, we're going for austerity is how to answer our budget questions, and it's it hurts.

And uh, you guys you do a great job that even with deficit issues, you're still trying to work on um social services.

And so this is the sort of item that can be of a lot of help that David Boat Wright said what happens then when the funding goes away, that's the sadness.

And uh, man, good luck how we really build sustainability.

It's really the time to start developing sustainability uh out of the era of of COVID that we were all talking about before COVID.

We were really talking about, you know, really important practices of of maintaining social services.

Uh it's now the time to really start working towards it.

So thank you for this item.

Good luck in your efforts.

Thank you, Mr.

Beekman, for those comments.

Your connection is much better now.

I will um give the floor to Councilmember Wong, but um Ms.

Bactus, I would appreciate if you could speak to uh what happens when these funds run out and what is the plan for that.

Uh, before you answer that, you could um Councilmember Wong, you have the floor.

Oh, sure.

Thanks, Councilmember Fife, or Chair Fife.

So I find this proposal to be really interesting, actually, and I just want to make sure I understand what is really before us.

So this will allow us to build up our systems to actually, if I'm understanding this correctly, we're not only getting this federal grant that is worth $675,000 or state federal grant, but it will also allow us to bring in even more funding for homelessness and all these things because we will be building out our billing infrastructure to bill Medicaid, Medicail essentially.

Okay.

Do you have a sense of how much more this stands to reimburse based off of our the variety of services that we have?

Sure, sure.

Let me address your question and then I'm gonna go back to the sustainability because that's a very important question.

Um so this program, when the structure of it when we got funded, uh, first last year we got funded by the Department of Healthcare Services for technical assistance to actually understand our current state of services for case management because Cal AIM under this program is very prescriptive because it's under the managed care plan.

So we have no idea whether or not Oakland will be able to meet these requirements under Cal AIM.

So the initial funding support that we receive from the state is for technical assistance so that we can bring in a consultant to help us see where we are and then get us to the point where we are poised to be able to contract with managed care plans.

So we've been working with the consulting uh company through the senior services coalition for the last year, and we are very close.

We're actually at the point now where we are putting together our application to be a certified Medi-Cal provider for uh Cal AIM.

So part of that is putting policies and procedures together in alignment with Cal AIM, looking at our workflow to make sure that it is in line with how the Cal AIM program model uh is expecting us to do.

There's also a very strict evaluation component because Cal AIM really stands for advancing and improving or innovating Medical by incorporating social service uh uh needs and supporting the social service needs that as you all know Medical used to be historically looking at the medical needs of individuals, but they realize that folks fall through the crack when they leave the hospital because people need transportation, access to food, socialization, all of those, those are all called social determinants of health.

And Cal AIM is putting social determinants and health care together, and that's what we are providing.

That's why I think Oakland through the human services department is really the um the appropriate agency that can bring that service and then bring in the health component to it because we're already doing that.

So I think we're very ready to to really get on Cal AIM.

Now, this is gonna go into bleeding to the other question about sustainability.

Once we are certified as a provider through Cal AIM for enhanced case care management and community supports, then it becomes a sustainable per member per month reimbursement from the health plan, like Kaiser or Alameda Alliance.

And while this funding is only available until the end of the calendar year 2025, I think by then we would have experience already in the you know by probably in the next four months, five months, once we um once we start actually seeing clients, to be ready to shift over to the funding under Medi-Cal.

So this funding through the Department of Healthcare Services for the Cal uh for the Path cited is sort of like an infrastructure funding to help us get to a point where we can then be released and then move the same clients that we're serving, move them into reimbursement rate through the Medical program from either Kaiser or Alameda Alliance.

And that's what's gonna be be sustainability, that's where it's gonna bring sustainability to the program.

And through um depends on how we negotiate the contract, but it's in the neighborhood of you know, somewhere like 400 or more per member per month.

So, you know, and it's a lot of the services we're already providing.

So this is an opportunity again for Oakland to be reimbursed for these services that we're already providing.

I hope that answers the question about this.

No, it does, which is why I think this is a really smart proposal.

Um, and then the other question I have is uh just have you had conversations with the county like since they are the primary you know healthcare system, how is this going to interact with that?

Good question.

Part of this um care management under enhanced care case management care management through Cal AIM is the coordination of services, and that means that we have to be able to put to put together a system that's called close loop, meaning like a client enters any one of our agencies, and then if we decide that we all want to work together to provide services and wrap around this particular high need, high utilizing client, then by working together, we need to make sure that somewhere in that system they don't fall, and with that you need a really advanced way of coordinating.

So we are working actually with Alameda Alliance and the county through their um uh um uh public health department on how we can coordinate services for a client together.

And that system, and this is why I I think it's exciting to be a part of this, um, we are really looking at different models from other communities where they're already doing this, and uh a uh key component of that system is the electronic record sharing.

So we're gonna be working with, of course, the city attorney's office and every ITD on what kind of infrastructure again.

That that that's work that's been happening with the county through their social health information exchange for some time now, and so being integrated into that will be important because we do serve the same clients.

That makes sense, and I would also urge.

So I think uh if this can go beyond just the human services department, like macro is a program that I think uh has opportunities for reimbursement and cost recovery if uh is part of this planning, those can that they can be considered as part of this.

Um, and then also my understanding is Cal AIM could actually fund, because I I do think we need to find more ways to fund homelessness services, is gonna be able to fund is it housing, addiction treatment, what's kind of the variety of services that they can fund.

Under Cal AIM, there are many, this it's sort of it's almost like a menu of services.

We decided to start with two that are very familiar and comfortable for us because this is new to us.

We've been doing case management for a long time uh in human services, so we know that enhanced care management will be um shoe win for us.

The other piece is the community supports.

We have senior centers and um a place for folks to come to for education, for nutrition, all of those under community supports.

We have the infrastructure and the well, the we have the the building available that we can also utilize to bring those services in and bring revenues to the senior centers as well to be able to support uh the operations.

So this are all part of kind of really looking at how we can leverage what we have and also kind of braiding and blending some of these different funding sources to to uh maximize the the return.

Okay, makes sense.

We'll make a motion to adopt staff recommendation.

Councilmember guy mason can you uh share the uh who's eligible for the program?

Yes.

What age group and do I have to live in Oakland or in the Alameda County?

Who who's so eligible so the eligibility is actually determined by the health plan so people can come to us two ways one the health plan because they see they have records of how many people are coming in and out cycling in and out of the emergency department for instance or they always review utilization that's a big thing for hospitals and health plans and when they when they look at these patients and they determine I think this patient can use an enhanced uh enhanced care management they will funnel so they will funnel the the clients uh to us then we will accept then we start working with the client and we start reimbursement or we go out there and do outreach and because we have a eligibility requirement very strict again that dictated by the health plans anybody from any walks of life if they they're eligible based on the criteria then we will go to the health plan and say we would like to work with these folks they will approve them and then we start working with them okay thank you.

Sure.

Councilmember guy was that a second did you offer a second to Sherlock Councilmember Houston.

Yeah just one question or two they don't have to be from Oakland they don't have to be from Oakland but our um our focus is Oakland Oakland residents who are eligible for the for the medical program.

So the third party what it says 30 party administrator relation to the California what's the third party mean yeah so the department of health care circ health care services works with uh an entity there we don't work with them directly but we work with a with a third party entity that um does all of these contracting for medical um cali okay thank you we have a motion made by council member wong seconded by council member guy to approve the recommendations of staff and the fourth decided until may 19th city council agenda on role council member guy aye councilmember heuston aye councilmember wong aye and chair five aye this motion does pass with four ayes to approve the recommendations of staff and to forward this item to the May 19th 2026 city council agenda and through the body that will be on consent thank you moving to item five adopt a resolution accepting the Oakland fund for children and youth final year and independent annual evaluation report for fiscal year 24 through 25 and you do have one speaker.

Good afternoon LEC Chair Fife and fellow council members my name is Robin Love and I'm the children and youth services manager within the human services department and I'm pleased to be here before you today to present our Oakland Fund for Children and Youth fiscal year 2425 evaluation report as you know Oakland City Council ordinance 13588 CMS requires us to present an independent and annual evaluation to you for uh review and acceptance I'd like to introduce CEO and co-founder Katie Kramer from the bridging group who will uh execute the presentation today for you and then we are happy to answer any questions upon completion of that presentation.

Thank you Miss Love is is Robin Levinson here today right there.

Oh there you are thank you.

The two Robins.

Robin Squared good afternoon everyone I do have slides if you want to bring it up and I am this is the full presentation uh the full evaluation.

So it is, and this is single space, double-sided.

So it uh it's a a pretty comprehensive uh project for an extremely valuable and comprehensive programs and block of services as you well know.

Um in your package, you have the the main report um and so I'll be giving highlights there, and I'm going to very quickly give you highlights because otherwise we'd be here all night um but through the chair do want to add that this is as large as it is because it contains individual agency and program profiles.

This will be on our website for you to access digitally.

Thank you.

What is that website?

OFCY.org.

Thank you.

And then Dis, we'll talk about because there are 145 programs that were funded under OFCY during this fiscal year, and each one of those programs have their own summary, about two to three to six-page summary report.

So that's what a lot of this is.

And there's real value there because uh as we'll talk about in the slides, this this fund is incredibly important in the services it provides because it's not it's a universal fund across all of Oakland, but it also provides kind of that flexibility for all of the unique programs that each of the agencies stand up.

Um with that in mind, I'll go ahead and go through the slides with Ma Clicker.

So obviously, this was not me, most of this were the folks here on the screen.

We had an incredible team that were involved in the evaluation of OSUY.

Um, I do want to point out that this is for fiscal 2425.

So this was for the services that went July 1, 2024 through June 2025.

And I know you've had other stuff coming up here in terms of the new funding, all that, but I just want to make sure you all are aware that this is for uh FY2425.

And the other thing I'll share as we get into it, this is very exciting as we came on about a year and a half, two years ago, to really catch up.

So we within the last two years produced for you uh fiscal an evaluation for fiscal year 2223, fiscal year 2324, and now fiscal year 2425.

So that catches us up, which is very exciting.

And at the same time, we're actively involved in fiscal year 2526 and doing some uh innovative planning for the future, which we'll touch on briefly today.

So uh to remind you that the fund for 2425 was 18.8 million uh across 11 different strategies and four different funding areas, and this gives you an overview of the breakdown of the investment per strategy.

And I'm just gonna quickly there's way too much on here.

But as I briefly mentioned, we really have been going through this evolution of evaluation uh planning and documentation, and really to look at strengthening the collective narrative, the collective outcomes that we can measure across all of the funds while continuing to maintain each of those unique individual programs and what they do.

So we have been involved in many different parts of this OFCY evaluation evolution, and currently we are really doing these last three things.

We are beta testing right now, some new outcome measures that we'll be excited to bring to you forthcoming to continue to strengthen our narrative.

Uh we worked very closely with the OSCY team as they were rolling out the new RFP to make sure the work we're doing now is sustained for the future as they move forward with the next round of grantees.

And again, ultimately to be able to tell this collective story of all the amazing work and all the the young people and their families are that are being supported by OCY.

This is our North Star.

We are really guided by the City of Oaklands in embracing of the results-based accountability framework.

We have been working, you'll see some of this across uh City of Oakland departments and OUSD, which you'll see in this evaluation, working to elevate participant voice, improve the again the overall narrative and just to define these clear and consistent outcome measures.

This is how we've applied the results-based accountability framework to OFCY evaluation.

I'll be going through highlights in each of these, but we really looked at how much did we do as a fund, how well did we do it, and ultimately is anyone better off?

And again, I'll provide highlights in each of these areas.

Here are our data sources.

So we work very closely, again, with the city and with city span, and so we have uh we're given uh data through the city and city span on quantitative records related to how many people were served, who were they, the hours of services types of programs.

We also have access to the outcomes that the sites were reporting, and again, without getting to a lot of detail.

Previously, the the outcomes were more descriptive and very open-ended that each site could define their own outcomes and describe how they were meeting those outcomes.

So we're doing again a lot of work to make space for that descriptive story while also making more unified outcome measurements.

But we spent a lot of time, the staff going through these more narrative reports to look at that is anyone better off data points, and then finally we do uh distribute and collect a lot of surveys, and you'll hear a bit more about that in a minute.

So we have an OSCY participant survey, and uh FY2425, we collected with the hard work of many of the sites over 6,000 surveys from OSCY participants, that's both youth and parents, and then new in 2425, we work closely with OUSD, who also funds many of these sites, especially the after school programs.

So we did two things.

One, we looked at their survey and our survey, and in an effort to reduce burden on the participants, we removed any question on our survey that was already being asked on the OUSD survey, and likewise we made sure our questions were parallel to those, and then through a data sharing agreement, they shared over 3,000 of their surveys.

So we were ultimately able to leverage over 9,400 surveys, again, all representing participant uh voice and input on the programs and how they think they've impacted their lives.

Okay, so that's the bigger picture.

Here is indeed some of the key data points.

So, how much was done in FY2425?

Here you see that over 20,801 children and youth, and those are unduplicated, individual 20,801 children and youth were served by OFCY across the city.

You can see the race, ethnicity breakdown, gender, and age distribution of these children and youth.

And then similarly, 2,591 adults were served.

Those were predominantly parents who are served in the zero to five early childhood services through the family resource centers and the social emotional well-being for early childhood.

And again, you see the demographic breakdown of those 2500 adults.

How well did we do it?

So the actuals compared to projections.

So here we looked at each of the sites provided us with how many young people and adults do they project they'll serve, and then how many did they actually serve.

So this uh with those numbers, the in total they served 126% of the number of youth and adults served, and again, that represents that 26,800 eight people served.

And then they also similarly project how many hours of service do they project to provide through their programs, and across the entire fund, they provided 109% of the number of hours projected, and that represents over four million hours of service provided across all of the programs.

So we also look at how well do we do it by an equity lens and looking at uh OFCY is uh by statute intended to serve young people and their families and communities across Oakland that may not have resources that other communities and neighborhoods do.

So we look at that in two ways.

We look at it in terms of race and place.

So here you see the racial and ethnic breakdown of OFCY youth who are served, and we compare that to the overall Oakland population via the American Community Survey or the Census, and you can see that OFCY does meet its priority populations or exceeds them with African American black individuals, Latinx, and individuals who identify with two or more races.

And overall, 93% of the OSCY youth participants are from the priority populations it intends to serve and support.

Similarly, we look at place and we look at place through two equity tools that the city of Oakland uses for many of its programs.

One is the Oak Doc Geographic Equity Toolbox, the other is the 2024 Oakland Community Stressors map.

And the chart above youth are served over 18 different zip codes across Oakland.

That chart lists the top six zip codes.

So the top six of the 18 are listed in that top chart and shows the top neighborhoods served by OFCY.

And then by mapping out those zip the kids and those zip codes, the youth, you can see that OFCY parallels some of the equity tools that the city uses to map out where it looks aims to provide resources across the city to priority neighborhoods.

Dr.

Kramer, yes, please.

You have expended 12 minutes.

Okay.

I think I have like 10 more slides.

I am going to do it very quickly.

Thank you.

Yes.

Okay.

I'll go quick.

Thank you.

It's terrible.

I'm trying to get this 500 page.

Yeah, but but that said, I want to respect your time.

So how is anyone better off?

We do it in two ways.

One, we look at the practices that the programs are using.

We looked at it based on the evidence-based literature.

And are the programs integrating effective strategies to support positive youth development?

And I won't go through them there, but those are the five main strategies as lifted up in the literature.

And you can see overwhelmingly OSUY programs across the board provide these evidence-based strategies that are most likely produce positive youth development in all of the strategy areas, practice areas.

OSCY also, and we were more newly tracking this, is about leveraging not only what each of the sites are doing, but what they're doing to collaborate and partner with other organizations.

So you see here that of the OFCY sites, they partnered with over 300 other organizational partners across each of these five areas.

And then we also look at outcomes and outcome categories, and I'm presenting to you four different outcome category measurement categories here.

The first is academic preparation.

A lot of this data does come from the surveys.

This is the area that we're looking to strengthen with some of our reporting.

But here you can see some very strong results around academic preparation among the many, many different youth that were surveyed, and some of the questions related to academic preparation, all very positive.

Here you look you see economic employment and economic well-being.

In particular, you see both that youth are prepared for employment and economic well-being.

In addition, we had over 1400 youth placed into a paid internship or job at a $15 an hour average hourly stipend or wage.

We also look at parent engagement with their children.

Again, specifically for some of those strategies supporting parents and young children.

We saw very positive outcomes here related to these outcomes.

And then finally, we looked at belonging connections and safety.

And here are some of the measures and results as the young people express their impact on their sense of feeling like they belong, are connected to programs and community and a sense of safety.

And then again, as I mentioned, this goes through all the different parts of the program beyond the main report.

We have strategy level outcome summaries, we do list some strengths and challenges, all the collaborative partners in the program profiles.

And there you go.

I know, I'm telling you, I talk a lot, but when people put me on task, I respect it.

Thank you.

Are there any uh media questions from the committee?

We'll hear from our public speakers.

Did you have something to add, Ms.

Rum?

We'll take our public speaker.

Ms.

I love this lady.

I have a lot of respect for her work.

But I do have some concerns.

One of them is I'm very concerned with OUSD and the lack of background checks with people who work in the district, particularly volunteers.

So I hope the scope of work guarantees that everybody that was involved with these children had a real background check.

If you look at the main source of how you evaluate, it's a self-evaluation process for those who are in the work uh arena, and it's also a survey, uh, where there's self-reporting of what we do, maybe with the scope of level of people you're dealing with, this is the best you can do, and I respect that.

I do question uh when you're working with children zero to five and six to ten.

I don't think they're gonna be capable of doing survey.

So, with within that group, how do we determine uh what we want to have as a result of an effective evaluation?

I just recommend that in the future we find scope of work around life skills, social development.

Our young people are in dire need of learning things like teamwork, patience, uh, anger management, critical thinking, communication spit, respect for authority, and I know that's this is where the greatest need is in this district.

I just saw that fight out there.

Uh, and that's that shouldn't take away from First Friday, had nothing to do with First Friday, but we may pay a consequence for it.

But I continue to say we need to work whenever we have the capacity on helping our young people develop what we call life skills, and if that concludes your public speakers for item five.

Thank you.

Um Councilmember Wong.

Thank you.

Um, really excellent uh evaluation report.

Um I had uh a couple of questions about some subgroups of uh children and youth that I'm you know because they're the most vulnerable and concerned about their their well-being and also you know how our programs address these particular youth.

So there's a couple foster care youth, um, youth that are uh I've talked about this a lot about my priorities around human trafficking and uh commercially sexually exploited youth as well as homeless youth, and um, I'd I'd love to see more of a deep dive in terms of how these programs are serving the their needs and also whether there's room to grow of you know tailoring a subset of our programs to serve these young people in particular.

Through the chair.

Uh will we present to you uh demographics?

Will we come for our year-round award?

We'll have some information about those specific populations.

I understand the importance of serving them.

I did 24 years in child welfare as a manager, so these issues of homelessness with foster youth and with other youth, uh, the stressors and the risk factors that they have in terms of outcomes.

So uh, and we also look at uh CSEC as we call it, uh, young people and the experience with that.

So, we do have funded programs that serve these populations, and with the work we're doing now, as I mentioned to you before, we're really trying to take a look at agency reporting with a particular focus on having specific outcome measurement categories that have specific definitions.

I also have new staff coming on board, one is here today, so we'll be able to do more site visits and monitoring.

Um, we also have site visits uh working with TBG.

So we are happy to uh take a look at the deep dive, and some of that work is currently underway, and I'll bring it back for you, and any guidance you have or support that you want to share with us.

Uh, I'm happy to uh receive that as well.

Uh that sounds great.

And on the uh human trafficking in particular, I'd love to connect just where the where the task force I chair is at, and how we might be able to.

I real I'm realizing right now that OFCY is not part of that, and I I think we should remedy that and connect on that.

Through the chair, we do work with Lizzie and Dream Youth Clinic, and we fund them uh currently, and it is part of our recommendations to move forward.

So Dr.

Mays and team always help uh enlighten us.

Robin is assigned, Robin Levinson is assigned to do their work, and she's gone to site visits and checked in.

So we're aware of the committee, but happy to um step in and partner in a different way.

Okay, awesome.

Thanks.

And I just want to lift up as well as as Robin said, I mean, the balances with the scale of telling the large story and then those unique stories, and indeed we just started for this year, which you'll hear next year, evaluation site visits, and intentionally tried to look at a diverse group of sites in particular programs that maybe serve a unique group that isn't their story in particular, isn't being lifted up in the in the bigger um the bigger data with some sense of doing some kind of site spotlights um and and highlighting some of those very unique factors.

Okay, Councilmember Guile.

Thank you for the information.

You made references to Oakland Unified School District.

Are you also working with the charter schools?

We're working with some of the charters that are working with Oakland Unified.

Um I don't know if we're working with any of the independent charters, but we can look into that.

So it's pretty much Oakland Unified, not the other private schools in our neighborhood or charter schools.

That's correct, okay.

Then on uh your last page, 23, uh 86 percent when youth feel when youth feel unsafe, their program provides resources or someone to call for support.

Who do they who do we if I feel unsafe?

Who do you give me to call or report to?

Yeah, I mean we don't have that level of detail.

I will tell you a lot of this rigor that we're talking about, and actually, Miss Asada, like I feel like she read our our evaluation plan, because indeed we're trying to drill down a bit further, and indeed life skills is on the list, social emotional learning, really understanding safety uh a bit more, resource allocations, connections.

So the in the next year and the year after you'll see a bit more of a a drill down on that, uh, and we don't have that level of detail just yet.

As an example, you know, people make reference to Skyline High School.

You know, in case of an emergency or fire, where do children run off to?

Because a good number of children take the bus up to Skyline or get dropped off of Skyline.

But are you involved at all in terms of the safety within the schools that uh that we are having because growing up here in Oakland, East Oakland and through the school system, it used to be that our school campuses were open Friday nights, Saturdays and Sundays.

We couldn't get it at home, but we went to school, you know, it continued, but now they're all locked down.

The minute kids leave the school, well, they're locked down, and we don't have a music program like we used to, or at least a basketball gym that's open.

Are you involved with that at all in terms of providing that extra um support for the children that we don't get it at home, but the school used to be open for or the another the parks and recreation, right?

The recreation centers were open, but now they're shut down.

Yes.

Anyways, are you involved at all with that?

So through the chair, as you know, the Oakland Fund for Children and Youth is a grant maker.

So we do contract with community-based agencies that have referral networks.

They also have a compendium of resources that uh young people can access through uh referral and warm handoffs.

They also have supportive adult connections.

One of the things around building connections and who you feel safe with.

So we have adult supportive adult connections.

So we're involved on the periphery because we don't do direct service, but we certainly support collaboration as you will see in the new awards that'll present to you.

We've taken a deeper investment uh in employment, but also in youth safety.

We we can connect the dots and correlate the uh challenges that young people face with the need for having resources available.

So this year you'll see we make deeper investments in place-based innovations for safety and independent living and life skills and safety programming.

Uh, and we also share information with the Department of Violence Prevention as they transition to move uh to serve more acute need in the community.

We're also learning from them uh and sharing information about what we know makes the most sense from restorative justice to uh other supports.

Thank you.

You're welcome.

Councilmember Houston.

I was looking, I was reading.

Um, I see you've been to provide services to East Um Oakland Boxing Association at eight one six ninety-eighth Avenue.

Um, what other organizations are based in District 7?

Through the chair, I can provide that information to you.

Oh, I can't.

Oh, like it's a number of different organizations because we have uh 144 programs, but I can't share that with you.

And over there in my binder, so I would have to go look.

I'll see you in the hallway.

All right, yeah.

Sounds good.

Okay, and I can bring it back through the chair uh some additional demographics and data about our programming and all of the information through an information report or other means that you deem appropriate.

And I can add from evaluation.

I think it's a I don't know if you were suggesting it, but we can add as an appendix to the list of the organizations funded by district into the evaluation.

That's a great idea.

It says here in District 7, it was 7,486 youth from D7 in East Oakland.

Is that accurate?

Yes, so the report that through the chair, the report that you received does have uh data by zip code by program, so it is accurate for fiscal year 2425 because we have to close out the current year and then uh work on presenting and developing the data for the evaluation report, it's always in a year.

Uh always in a rear, excuse me, because I've just seen the number in 94621 and 94603 was 3,005 and 2,345.

And then that I just was trying to figure out add those numbers together.

I couldn't add those together.

Okay, we'll figure it out.

Okay.

So thank you to all my colleagues for your questions.

Uh I just have a couple with the new evaluation for 25-26.

The RFP goes out in July.

Is that accurate?

Is the the next evaluation RFP?

Yes, so uh we are in the process.

We just closed the uh request for qualifications for professional services agreement.

I believe we received 21 proposals.

We are working within the division to have readers for the professional services uh agreements, and so we should have uh a pool of vetted uh vendors uh from Oakland and other places that submitted uh proposals.

You have 21 respondents to an RFP?

13.

13.

13.

That's still significant compared to some of the other requests for proposals that come out from other spaces, but the the programming that will be evaluated, the programming is happening right now, the from the service providers, not that you will be collecting data from.

So uh the fiscal year 25 through the chair, fiscal year 2526 are currently funded grantees that we had the year extension.

They are currently submitting data in City Span, demographic data and other RBA data that we'll present to you.

December 2025, January.

January.

She needs an extra Katie needs an extra month.

Yeah, January.

Got it.

I I I do see that um the racial demographics that are served, do tend to be Latinx Hispanic.

Is that because the programs that's who's coming to the programs it's is it reflective of um yes so the the demographics in Oakland is changing.

One we know that Oakland's getting older we also know we have more young people than we do younger children zero to twelve and the Latinx population is it on the previous slide it was 19% that we showed are African American and I believe the other it was just on the slide was about 30%.

So it's reflective of the changing demographics in Oakland as you know through the chair a lot of African Americans have been displaced particularly in West Oakland.

I still live there and I remember when nine out of 10 homes were owned by African Americans.

So we see that across the city the the largest number of African Americans are still in D6 in D7 where we see some of the issues and so it is something that's happening that we are concerned about.

We also know that African Americans make up a larger percentage of the homeless population or unstably housed population.

And so you know we have families mixed in there too so it's just a reflection of Oakland as it evolves and changes.

I was just wondering about who is if you all could give me offline a list of the organizations that serve youth teenage youth because those are a lot of the kids that I end up seeing downtown on the videos that our public speaker was discussing and I'm just wondering who in this pipeline of funding is serving that age group because yeah we need we need a lot of help right now through the chair absolutely this is why the city span database is so important it is our repository of all our data and so I can generate reports and or have custom reports generated to cut the data in different ways and aggregate it up and de-aggregate it as need be so that would be something that we absolutely can do.

Outstanding I will be contacting you offline and I I do have to speak to I I appreciate this report on the binder of uh pages and pages and pages that you have done um to evaluate these programs I I would be interested in understanding what is a qualitative process for little people who can't yep yep so first of all the zero to five through the chair uh the chair you don't have to say that okay problems keeping me on my toes uh for zero to five year olds we're actually having the parents fill out the surveys predominantly um and so we don't have zero to five year olds uh fill out surveys um the older kids they we offer it from kindergarten up um we have not nearly as many kindergarten to second graders filling out I would say they fill it out from third grade on we do do training we offer up the parents can fill it out with the younger ones and or the staff can and or again this year new this year in our site visits yes and we are also looking at uh I should say we offer the the surveys in nine different languages um and uh we are also looking at ADA and neurodiversity and and looking at accessibility under those auspices thanks to some of our providers who have lifted that so we're really trying to look at accessibility uh across the board at the site visits we've now started um more interactive evaluation activities so we do with the younger ones where we're literally doing things like marble racing or coloring or like kind of more happy faces innovative ways to gather vote what we say voting with your feet if you agree with this run here a lot of running gotta get that running out if you agree over here so really looking at how do we do more innovative uh information collecting uh both with our young people and and and kids across the board because I do think there's a lot of survey fatigue um so we're really trying to look at alternative methods to gather information from all our folks I love that I it I love the new additions and I think there could be a like an age appropriate like type scale that could be done with little people so um that that is wonderful and I do have to commend uh Robin Love your acumen integrity and accountability have shifted the way that these processes have gone and I can I can't uplift you enough for carrying this department on your shoulders through all kinds of crises and I just wanted to highlight you publicly for that because you know I know what you you have to to deal with so on that um I will entertain a motion um on this oh council member he said oh we have a motion from council member he said and a second from councilmember guy thank you we have a motion made by councilmember Houston seconded by councilmember guy to approve the recommendations of staff and before this item to the May 19th 2026 city council agenda on role council member guy aye councilmember heuston aye councilmember wong aye and chair fife aye this motion passes with four eyes to approve the recommendations of staff for the forward this item to the May 19th City Council agenda through the body that would be on consent.

Thank you moving to our la open forum Blair Beekman and Mrs.

And before you leave I would be happy to support little people and if there's any programs that need phonics support I love teaching little people how to read this I got some books for you too okay um ready this is Barbara Jordan 1995 why she's against illegal immigration because it hurts black America let's see if I can get this right he should receive whatever benefits a lawful resident be immigration is not a right guaranteed by the US Constitution to everyone anywhere in the world who thinks they want to come to the United States immigration is a privilege.

Commission finds no national interest in continuing to import lesser skilled and unskilled workers to compete in the most vulnerable parts of our labor force.

The most urgent immigration problem we face today is the unauthorized entry of hundreds of thousands of illegals that undermines our commitment to legal immigration if an alien is in this country lawfully he should receive whatever benefits a lawful resident receives but if a person is here unlawfully he should be entitled to no benefits no benefits I agree with Barbara Jordan.

She said in 1995 that immigration is not a right the main thing was it was going to eventually impact employment of black African American males and that's just what has happened so I will continue to bring this to you we are paying a price for your commitment to illegal immigrants in the city of Oakland that price is employment or lack of it in the school district we got newcomer programs newcomer staff newcomers schools we have nothing for the African American we are to our Zoom speaker Blair Beekman please unmute yourself and begin your comment um thanks for the meeting today it was nice hopefully I can uh in a short amount of time uh reiterate a few of my words from the uh item on digital literacy that was uh meant to help both young people and elderly uh the work I do with tech accountability um really lends itself to that item and I think uh just a reminder that um tech accountability uh teaching, you know, skills of you know your civil rights and civil protections uh with technology can be a a great additional tool for digital literacy.

It gives people a sense of hope in what they're learning.

It gives a purpose, a sense of purpose.

They're not just learning things for the mass for the consumerism of things, they're learning for you know our better uh values as a country.

And when when they see that, like elderly people see that, they they get good reminders of things.

And young people, they learn important lessons how to build their future.

So um, and and I think you know, working with tech accountability is ideas of responsibility and safety.

Uh you just feel safe when you're practicing good practices.

And um, it's like the best of our lives, uh, and as and as a nation.

So um good luck in how you can how tech accountability can be a part of the digital literacy program.

That's what I tried to say previously.

And thank you for your work on self-right issues that I think I heard said, I'm relearning now and re-watching the videos, that it can come back in a year's time with different uh vendors in mind.

And thank you for working in thinking in those terms.

Now the key is can we work towards that promise and keep our promise?

You know, the same with ALPR stuff.

Are we really gonna work on it?

I mean, I'll be definitely trying to help you guys along, but I hope there's a real joyful effort to want to be working on it because you're up to a great start with.

I concludes our public speakers for open forum.

Thank you.

It is 5 35 and this meeting is adjourned.