Oakland City Council Meeting - June 16, 2026: Charter Reform, Violence Prevention, and Parking
Good afternoon and welcome to the council meeting of Tuesday, June 16th.
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On roll, Council Member Gaio.
Council Member Five.
Council Member Houston.
Here.
Council Member Ramachandran.
Present.
Council Member Unger.
Here.
Council Member Wong present.
And Chair Jenkins.
Present.
Showing eight members present.
Do you have any announcements?
Yes, Councilmember Raman Chandran, how are you participating today?
And is your camera on?
And do you have anyone in the room over the age of 18?
Uh nope, no one in the room at all.
Participating under AB 2449.
Thank you so much.
Also, because of potential quorum issues, speaker time will be cut to one minute.
Thank you.
Thank you.
Going to item three, modifications to the agenda and procedural items.
Are there any modifications to this agenda?
Yes.
And 5.2 will go before 5.1.
Strong mayor item 5.2 will go before 5.1.
So I'll entertain a motion to continue 6.1 and 6.2, the GAD items.
Second.
And the public still will have an opportunity to speak on those items if you did sign up for speaker card on the GAD items.
On the motion to continue item 6.1 and 6.2 to your next meeting, which I believe is July 7th.
And I believe that was a motion by Councilmember Brown and Councilmember Gayo.
Councilmember Brown.
Aye.
Councilmember Fife.
Aye.
Councilmember Gayo.
Aye.
Council Member Houston.
Aye.
Councilmember Ramachandran.
Aye.
Councilmember Unger.
Aye.
Councilmember Wong.
Aye.
And Chair Jenkins.
Aye.
Motion passes with a vote of eight ay.
So noting items 6.1 and 6.2, the GAD items are continued to July 7th, and noting that item 5.1 will be taken before item 5.2.
No other way around.
5.2 will be taken before 5.2.
Yes, I'm sorry.
We'll be taken before 5.1.
Moving on to item 4.1.
Conduct a public hearing and upon conclusion.
I'm sorry, we need a motion to open the public hearing.
Actually, can we take 5.2 before 4.1?
So starting the agenda with item 5.1.
5.2.
5.2.
Then 4.1.
Then the 5.1.
Yep.
Okay.
Is the mayor here?
Taking item 5.2.
Adopt a resolution submitting to the voters at the November 3rd, 2026.
General municipal election, a measure that would amend the Oakland City Charter to among other things make the mayor the city's chief executive officer responsible for managing city affairs.
Empower the council to confirm the appointments of the directors of finance, who and resources, public works, and transportation.
Empower the council to create an independent budget and legislative analyst office to provide the council fiscal and policy analysis that is subjective and nonpartisan.
Affirm council members' right to request information and relay constituent concerns and city officials' duty to respond promptly.
Empower the council to hold legislative hearings and issue subpoenas.
Create a mayoral veto with a line item budget veto and a council power to override any veto.
Require council members to work full-time and not engage in outside employment.
Empower the public ethics commission to align the mayor and council member salaries with those comparable full-time city officials.
Require the publication of ordinances within 15 days of passage, and direct the city clerk to take actions necessary under law to submit this measure to the voters at the election and making the appropriate CEQA findings.
Thank you very much.
First of all, council um president Jenkins, members of the uh Oakland City Council, also to the working group, uh Spur, the League of Women Voters, of course, my staff, uh Preston, Mia, and my entire team.
Thank you all, especially our residents who have been with us every step of this process.
Let me thank everyone, and I mean everyone that has put in hundreds of hours to develop this comprehensive report, especially again the League of Women Voters Spur and our working group.
I want to thank them for this measure.
To the council members that have been partners in this work, and many of you have been.
I just want to thank you all for working on some amendments with my office, and quite frankly, about 90% of them have been incorporated into this reform.
Now, let me just be clear with you, council members in the public.
This measure is not about me, and it's not about any of us in this chamber.
It's about whether the people of Oakland get to decide the future of their own government.
That's all we're being asked to do to trust our residents with that choice.
More than 750 Oaklanders participated through 14 community sessions in every single council district.
There were surveys, workshops, and interviews.
The League of Women Voters and Spur co-facilitated more than 60 conversations with current and former city leaders, governance experts, and officials from peer cities.
Every step was documented, it was public, it was transparent.
All of the research, the comparative analysis, and community input were published and remain available for anyone to review.
And so for those who have spent years in community engagement in Oakland, this was by far and by any fair standard the most comprehensive charter reform process in our city's history.
The working group's conclusion was clear, and we narrowed this very narrowly because it's not a full charter reform effort.
This was very narrowly directed and framework was put within the context of governance, transparency, accountability, and our financial systems.
And so the working group's conclusion was very clear.
Oakland's current system too often makes it impossible for residents to know who is responsible when things go wrong.
Authority is divided across the mayor, the council, and city administrator in ways that diffuse accountability without securing the benefits of either governance model.
When services fall short, residents tell me time and time again, they don't know who to hold accountable.
Is it the mayor?
Is it the council?
Is it the city administrator?
When legislation comes before you, many residents ask me who drafted the legislation?
Is it the mayor?
Is it the council members?
Is it the city administration?
Who drafted the legislation?
Too often there's just no clear answer.
And that's a structural problem.
It's a structural problem that requires structural solutions.
So this reform creates clear lines of responsibility so residents know exactly who to call, who to hold accountable, and who can do what to help them make their lives better in our city.
We see the consequences of unclear accountability every day.
Just yesterday, the Alameda County civil grand jury examined Oakland's response to illegal dumping.
One of the issues that residents raised to me most often and to our council members.
The grand jury recognized that the city's effort to address the problem was a priority, of course, while noting that Oakland's current weak mayor system limits the mayor's authority over city departments and day-to-day operations.
Even as Oakland spends millions of dollars each year responding to illegal dumping, residents still want to know who is responsible for solving the problem.
Clear lines of authority make clear lines of accountability possible.
Let me be equally clear about what it does not do.
It does not eliminate checks and balances.
It does not weaken oversight, and it does not take a single power away from this council.
You retain full authority to pass laws, set policies, serve constituents, amend and approve the budget, new powers to confirm appointments, and to represent your districts.
Some have raised questions about the role of executive authority given to Oakland's recent history.
Now, let me just be direct.
What happened under the prior administration occurred under our current hybrid system.
One where lines of authority were already blurred.
The accountability that ultimately materialized came from our democratic institutions, the voters, the city auditor, the public ethics commission, and existing ethics and transparency laws.
Those systems worked because responsibility was identified.
It could be held to account.
This new system makes it clear who has responsibility, and those lines are not blurred.
This reform does not remove those safeguards.
It adds clarity, clarity so that when problems arise, it's easier, not harder, to know where responsibility lies.
And again, those oversight tools are only strengthened, but we also are adding new powers as well.
I also want to speak very plainly to a distinction that matters for good governance.
The difference between oversight and pre-approval.
When we require legislative confirmation before the executive branch can act on a personnel matter, especially in involving personnel matters involving misconduct, fraud, or a situation requiring immediate attention, we are not strengthening accountability.
We're creating delay at precisely the moment when decisiveness is most critical.
A process requiring public deliberation, agenda notice, and multiple votes before the mayor can act just does not slow things down, it can compromise active investigations, open the city to lawsuits, and expose victims and witnesses to risks.
The reform provides the council with robust tools such as subpoena authority, formal oversight hearings, budget powers, and resolutions of no confidence.
Those tools are real and meaningful.
They allow this council to investigate, question, push back, and put its position formally on the record without tying the executive hands in a crisis.
That's the right balance.
Similarly, when we add procedural conditions on executive powers that are already addressed elsewhere in the charter, we risk creating not stronger governance but more confusing government.
That's not accountability.
It reintroduces exactly the kind of ambiguity that this reform was designed to solve.
What we have now.
We don't want another hybrid form of government.
The residents don't want that.
And that's what we have right now.
On council compensation, it's been reported that the council will receive a hundred and twenty-five percent salary increase.
And let me just tell you, that is not accurate.
This measure does not give the mayor control over salaries.
It does not allow the city council to set its own pay.
Instead, it creates an independent, transparent process through the Public Ethics Commission to review compensation for all city elected officials based on peer crisis and objective criteria and makes it consistent with what the ethics commission already engages in.
The attempt is also about equity.
We are working class city.
We want working class Oaklanders, people like some of you, who can't subsidize public service with outside income or through their pensions or retirement to be able to just serve on our council.
So equity is a big issue here in Oakland.
And also there's been some misinformation about the veto.
As I've mentioned previously, I also want to be clear that this proposal does not simply concentrate power without checks.
It preserves a strong check on the mayor through a six-vote override of any veto.
The working group spent months studying these trade-offs.
They examined Oakland's own history, our governance model across California and cities nationwide.
They look closely at both strong mayor cities and council manager cities.
While they acknowledge the council manager systems have strengths and work well in some places, they ultimately concluded that Oakland's current challenges and Oakland's residents' expectations that someone be accountable for results are best addressed by these reforms.
It was for a system where executive authority is clear, legislative authority is protected and clear, and also the delivery of core constituent services would be better delivered much better than now.
Uh, would be delivered in efficient and effective ways.
And the section 218, I've received many suggestions from council members, which again have been included in this reform, including the repeal of the majority of Section 218, and also making sure that the misdemeanor provision is taken out.
That's that's a huge step in making sure that the council can better deliver the services to their constituents.
The working groups meant months doing research because of how important this work is.
The charter is the governance document of our city, and the last thing we want is a charter measure that includes amendments that will blur the lines of authority.
Reasonable people can disagree about specific provisions.
What should unite us, though, is that Oakland residents deserve the opportunity to weigh in on the charter reform working groups legislation?
The question before you is not whether every member of the council agrees with every line, it's whether the people of Oakland should have the chance to evaluate this proposal and make their own decisions at the ballot box.
And I want to be candid about about what this vote represents, and I'm respectfully asking the council to not preserve the status quo at its core.
This is about whether Oakland residents should have the opportunity to decide if they want a system with clearer lines of responsibility and greater accountability.
Quite frankly, I trust the voters of Oakland to weigh the facts, to consider the arguments, and make the decision for themselves, allowing voters to make their choice.
That's how democracy is supposed to work.
So let's at least let the voters make an informed decision, let's trust them with that responsibility.
Again, that's what democracy asks of us today.
And so thank you again for giving me a chance to be with you.
Thank you, Mayor.
Do any of the council members who have amendments want to introduce your amendments before we go to the public speakers?
Uh yeah, uh, included within this uh resolution, I'm um, or excuse me, this charter um amendment is uh just the amendments that I had discussed uh last time we discussed this item, which is in a in essence that uh in order to increase more transparency, that we actually add a council public vetting process for for a number of department heads that are included uh in your packet.
So uh that is the the extent of this provision.
Um, I'll talk more about it after the public comment.
Thank you, council member.
Councilmember Houston.
Yes, and um, thank you through the chair, and I had a couple of amendments that I sent to the city attorney, amendment one under article to the council section 207.
The city council shall confirm the mayor's appointments of the role of the city administrator by a minimum of five votes.
Um, mayor's action to remove or reprimand the city administrators subject to confirmation by the city council of a minimum of five votes.
And the reason why I put that in there, President, is because the mayor actually sends a recommendation for the city administrator, and we approve it.
Um, so I think that we should do the same thing.
We should be able to disapprove it or reprimand the city administrator, not just um approve the city administrator, that's number one, and I know my um my city attorney is gonna have something to say about that one.
Um, amendment two, article to the mayor, section 305, except the order to veto any item.
Um I feel that is um unfair.
It's just my opinion, my reality, that if this council right here makes a decision to give Oakland or you some money or you know, just we make a decision.
If you voted down, I'm good with it.
I'm good.
If you voted up, I don't think anyone should veto anything we put on the table.
That's our that's our duty.
I remember when I first ran for council, it says city council's duties.
I see uh five bullet points here.
And the one that really caught my attention was um number one says we vote on ordinances and resolutions.
So if I put something on the floor and you guys approve it, I expect it to stay that way.
Not somebody to not, I'm not talking about this mayor, I'm talking about any mayor to veto something that we put on the ground or on here.
So let me finish this one up.
Except that in order to veto any item, the mayor must personally, and I made adjustments on this, personally attend all of the discussion of said item in the meeting, where the council votes to adopt an item, including both first and second reading of the ordinance.
Uh, for purposes of this section, the mayor attend may be remote, so long as the mayor's remote attendance meets the same Brown Act requirements that apply to the council members.
So I'm making a I don't want the veto, but this is what I would accept for my amendments, but my real one is that city administrator.
We should be able to, and you want to come up, um, counsel.
I mean, my city attorney and ask me why I can't do that, because in it says among other things, and I believe that falls amongst other things.
Thank you.
Uh Ryan Richardson, city attorney through the chair.
So uh, to council member Houston.
Uh Councilmember Houston introduced three amendments, one of which our office was able to sign off on, the other two of which we're unable to sign off on.
The amendment that we're able to sign off on has to do with requiring the mayor to attend meetings or to attend items that that he or she may veto.
So the idea is as a prerequisite to vetoing any resolution or ordinance, the mayor would have to have been in attendance at the meeting or meetings where that resolution ordinance was adopted.
Um that is a change that we're able to sign off on.
It is within the scope of the title of what we notice the public uh is on the table.
The other amendments having to do with um requiring the mayor to get approval from the city council before removing or reprimanding the city administrator, unfortunately are outside of the scope of what the public has been noticed in the title.
We to council member Susan's point, the title doesn't list every single change that's in the in the proposed resolution, but it does list every single major change that's in the resolution.
That's why that title is so long.
Um the title does not put the public on notice that one of the things that could be on the table in this resolution is would be to require the mayor to get council approval for removing the city administrator.
That's what's on the table is essentially a strong mayor proposal, and that is a hallmark of a council manager form of government.
So through the chair, when I hear when I read among other things, I feel that that could fall in there.
Um here's one other thing I like to share.
Is that you know I didn't want to break the Brown Act, so I just heard rumor that um Unger, Councilmember Ugger, and Council Member Ramachan Chandra, um Johnny was bringing something forward to bring the those both to the to the public to vote on, which was strong mayor, and the other one was what strong counsel, strong manager.
And I heard it was coming, but now heard it's not there.
I think that is the democratic way to allow the public.
The public's not stupid.
They're watching this very closely.
Not just one that's put on the ballot.
So where is that at?
And if can we bring that forward?
And is there enough time to bring both for the public to choose, right?
Because I feel that the public should be able to choose and they understand the difference.
Because we know why we're in this.
What did she what do we call it?
A hybrid mayor.
Why?
Because Jerry Brown didn't want to sit on a council.
We know that.
We know this.
Come on.
So I talked the truth.
So here's what I like to know.
Since I didn't want to break the brown act, I'm always getting into something.
So I wanted to find out can council member Unger's what he was putting together with Gennati.
Is there enough time to put both of those on the ballot so the people can make a choice?
Through the chair.
So there are a number of requirements that the council has to go through in order to put any measure any measure on the ballot.
When it comes to a charter amendment specifically, it has to be heard at two council meetings, and those council meetings have to be at least 10 days apart.
That's in the charter.
After that, once a resolution, once the council passes a resolution to say we want to put this charter amendment on the ballot, the council has to adopt an ordinance that lists all of the offices and all of the ballot measure that the city wants the county to put on the ballot.
It's basically the city's instructions to the county of what we want our section of the ballot to look like.
That has to be done by ordinance, and that takes two readings.
Those readings have to be at least five days apart.
As of today, the council has two regular meetings left before the deadline for our office and the clerk's office to transmit all those materials to the county.
So to answer your question, Councilmember Houston, yes, there is enough time technically, but in order for the council to introduce a new charter amendment, have two readings of that amendment and then pass the ordinance and two readings, the council would have to add several special meetings to its its agenda before the end of July.
So through the chair, a special meeting that the president can make, and I think it was already vetted through the city attorney's office.
Is that right, Councilmember Ugger?
So I did uh work on a strong council manager uh measure with the city attorney's office.
Um we did not finish that work because it became clear to me that we had reached a point where there was not enough support on the council to get there, so that measure is incomplete.
I do favor a strong council manager system.
I also don't believe that it's a good idea to have two competing ballot measures on the ballot at the same time.
I think the uh the math of that just doesn't work.
If you have a a hundred people in the electorate and 49 vote for one system and 49 vote for the other system, and two don't vote or vote no on both, you end up with nothing.
I think that uh if we are if this council decides to put strong mayor forward, the public should have the opportunity to do a clear up or down vote on strong mayor on one system alone.
I I don't I don't favor putting two competing ballot measures on the same ballot.
Councilmember Houston, may I respond very quickly?
All right, let me just clarify something.
Uh the League of Women Voters and Spur conducted a very thorough democratic process.
There was no predetermined conclusion.
They engaged with over uh 750 people.
This was one of the largest community engagement ever, efforts ever as it relates to charter, and this was the recommendation out of this democratic process.
Had it been another recommendation, that would be the recommendation that the Spur and the working group and the engagement process would have brought forward.
But that this is the one that was brought forward, and so this is the one that uh we're asking for the vote so that the residents and the voters can vote this up or down because the process was very it was transparent.
Uh it was engaging, people had many many questions about both and other forms of governance, and this was the uh conclusion, and so uh I would encourage you to look at this very carefully because the status quo is just untenable.
Thank you again.
Thank you to the chair.
Um I want to make sure that the city attorney addressed what I was saying.
So you're saying that my amendment number one, among other things, it doesn't fall in there, among other things, when uh for the city administrator being able to hire and fire the city administrator because that's huge.
That's huge for us to be able to do that as a body, and I don't want no veto through the chair.
I agree that it is huge, and that is precisely why the public would have been put on notice that that type of proposal would be on the table this evening, and it's not in the title, so among other things is for more technical edits that are not as as big.
I want to hear the audience, thanks.
Thank you.
Councilmember Fife.
I wanted to know if Councilmember Houston would require a second uh for the veto amendment that was approved by the city attorney's office.
Um when this body is ready to make a motion, it can um debate the amendments that are in the packet or other amendments that are on the floor.
Um, and yes, any uh motion would require a second and then a full vote.
And I also wanted to get clarity on how there would be uh through the chair to council member Unger, how would you come to a conclusion about the votes being necessary for a strong council city manager form of government?
How would you come to that conclusion?
I just think if we have two competing ballot measures on there, the odds of both of them losing are much higher than I understand.
But you said you came to the conclusion that the there was not a desire for this body to pass or to put something forward for strong city council.
The folks that had within my Brown Act bubble who I thought were with me were no longer with me.
Okay, change their minds.
Understood.
Um, I and I just wanted to say before we go to the public speakers.
I, as I stated in our previous um council meeting, order in the chambers.
As I stated in our previous council meeting on this topic, I support the voters of Oakland being able to determine what if they want to vote up or down a strong mayor model.
I'm not going to stand in the way of that democratic process.
I believe there are some weaknesses here that are based on uh misinformation and the very real reality that voters in Oakland feel um let down by city government by by their local government.
Some of those reasons are valid and some of them are not, but the reality is what's working, the status quo.
I mean, the status quo is not working, period.
We know that.
Um, and I believe that this particular measure, as it's drafted, will be weaponized against the mayor as she's running for her re-election.
I just have to say that publicly because I don't think it's valid, but I believe that it will happen.
And it has to be uh uh made very clear what this measure does and does not do what it will and will not do to say that it will not impact the the ways that this council engages when it comes to our powers, is largely true, but by have by allowing a mayor to veto a budget or other legislation and requiring a supermajority to override that is a bit of a usurpation of this this body's powers.
That's the reality.
But I will not again stand in the way of allowing the voters to choose, and based on that vote in November, I think this body needs to be prepared.
If it doesn't go the way that my base, my base literally has asked me not to support this, and I have to go against the people who put me in office to move this forward.
And I've made that commitment to do that, because I believe that the voters have a right to decide whether they want a strong mayor or not.
And it stands to reason that with the other uh jurisdictions surrounding Oakland that a straw strong mayor model may be what we need in this particular era.
I don't know.
The voters will choose if they choose no, then this body needs to be prepared to come with the legislation that you say your your allies or your brown acted group um stepped away from to put to put another model on in front of the voters, because again, what we have does not work, and we need a better system.
And I just wanted to say that, but in respect for the mayor and all of the work of Spur and the League of Women Voters and everyone who and myself, I wonderful presentations in District Three about this particular ballot measure.
Um I'm just concerned about who comes after Barbara Lee, who comes after Barbara Lee.
We're seeing massive changes to billionaires being able to buy elections and to put people in office that they want to run.
I had a uh um a tech billionaire who put a bunch of money against me in my race, say I'm going to continue to do this in perpetuity because I believe I deserve to set the table, not to have a seat at the table, but to create it.
So let's be clear about what's happening in Oakland.
And this is not about our current mayor, because I have so much respect for you, and I appreciate everything that you've done in terms of the changes that you've brought to the city of Oakland.
I'm concerned about what comes next.
Thank you.
And through the chair, before Councilmember Houston begins, if I could.
You cannot find a seat, you can go down to the first floor.
You will have plenty of opportunity to come back to speak if you are speaking to the council.
Although I do see some empty seats in here, because you are not supposed to stand on the back wall.
That is as it is a fire hazard, and there are still seats in the chamber.
So please find a seat.
Council member Houston, the mayor, and then we're gonna go to public comment.
Yeah, we will.
So, and through the chair, I'm gonna echo my council member uh Fife.
This has nothing to do with my mayor, and I'm gonna say my mayor, Barbara Lee, up ten toes down, I'm worried about after, after my mayor, right?
And who's gonna come after me, after you five council member five, after you, Councilmember Brown, after you, President Jenkins, Wayne, and Uger.
So I'll yield the floor.
Thank you very much, and thank you very much, uh Councilmember Fife and Councilmember Houston.
But let me clarify just a couple points.
One is with regard to the veto, it's only a line item veto for the budget.
So if the fiscal condition of the city says that we can't afford $10 for X, Y, and Z, because I have responsibility for the budget as with you all, then I would say and make a an argument that this line item that $10 uh should be placed elsewhere, given the budget kind of scenarios and the comprehensive view of the budget.
So it's not vetoing the entire budget, it's a line item.
And with regard to uh the structural change, this is a structural change that, regardless of who is mayor, the accountability systems, and I hope you read this really carefully, because the accountability systems of checks and balances are much much stronger than what they are now, regardless of who comes after myself.
And it's so it's not uh based on anybody, it's not based on any council member, but it's based on on uh the foundation of the city to make sure that the chaos and the confusion is uh is is minimized in terms of good governance in terms of accountability and delivering of course services.
So thank thank you again.
Yeah, yeah, of course.
I I appreciate that um that response, uh madam mayor, and that's exactly what I was thinking about in terms of a line item budget because if tech interests and business interests and chambers of commerce come together to say they want to veto what the council says about, say the police budget, uh, with the police already being the highest expenditure that we have in our general purpose fund.
If there's a line item veto where the council says, Well, we want to move some of these funds into community or um services, and it the a mayor after you was like, Well, no, I think we need to do this.
I think that could have a massive impact.
And if I'm members of the council, uh council member, if they bought the mayor, they're gonna buy the council.
I hear you, I hear you.
Again, I'm not I as you stated in your earlier comments.
Reasonable people can disagree.
I I see the trajectory of the city, I've seen its impact on my district.
I've been organizing in the streets of Oakland.
I see a lot of folks I've been organizing with for the last three decades, and I've seen the changes for the good and the bad.
Um, and again, I'm not gonna hold up this legislation.
I'm going to vote to support it, moving in front of the voters, and again, we will have to regroup or may or may not based on the outcomes in November.
That's all I have to say.
Thank you very much.
Thank you.
Let's go to public commenters.
As a car, please approach the podium.
And if in any order, if you are participating via Zoom, please raise your hand so I can easily identify you.
Ryan Mizick.
Karan Talak, Corey Cook, Helen Hutchinson, Blair Beekman, Kevin Daly, Mr.
Hazard, Gail Wallace, Miss Asada Olabala, Steven Falk, Mindy Bachunik, Gerald Pachunik, Nancy Falk, James Murphy, Steve and David, I'm sorry, Stephen, David Khan, Nicole Nedich, Ayende, Mark Sawicki, Daniel Motley, Keith Brown, Isaiah Tony, Angerius Culver, Cluver, sorry, Raymond Lankford, Sean Ella Byrne, sorry if I said the incorrectly, Ben Gould, Deborah Scheffler, Cynthia O'Malley, Sujata, Sarafstava, Simeo Remsey, Buffalo Sojourn, Meg McAdam, Lynette Diaz, Barbara Lafite Alahule, Richard Fuentes, and again, please let me know if you have time seated to you so we can give you the appropriate amount of time before you speak, and if you do have seated time, the person must be present in chambers or on Zoom.
And again, this is for item 5.2.
Good afternoon, council members.
I'm Keith Brown, resident of District 5, and here um today representing the voices of over 45,000 union households in Oakland under the Alameda Labor Council who keep this city running every day.
And when our services are inconsistent, it's the working people, our teachers, our grocery workers, our transit operators who pay the price.
This charter reform proposal isn't about politics, it's about establishing clear executive leadership so that the person we elect has the authority to deliver results and the accountability if they do not workers and residents alike benefit from a governance structure that establishes clear executive leadership.
Um working families should not have to navigate through a maze of the Sorry, Mr.
Brown, your time is up unless you have time ceded to you.
Good afternoon, Council President and Council members.
My name is Danielle Motley Lewis and the president of the Oakland Berkeley chapter.
BOWAPA has already submitted our formal letter of support on behalf of this measure.
So I will keep my comments brief.
Too often, when something goes wrong, as already stated, we never know who is in charge.
This proposal provides an opportunity to create clear governance structure and allows Oakland voters to decide whether this is the direction they want to travel.
Tonight, I'm simply asking that you trust in the community engagement process that's been put before us, and allow Oakland voters to place to vote when you place this measure on the ballot.
Let them decide.
Thank you.
Hello, my name is Cynthia O'Malley from the League of Women Voters, and I cede my minutes to Gail Wallace.
Thank you.
Hello, I'm Deborah Scheffler.
I'm also from the League of Women Voters, and I cede my time to Gail Wallace.
Thank you.
Good afternoon.
Gail Wallace, on behalf of the League of Women Voters of Oakland.
This is the moment when we tend to lose the forest for the trees.
I want to remind us that there have been distinct and independent phases to this process, and the tasks and the players have differed at each stage.
Throughout the league has adhered to its position on governance that emphasizes the goals of a responsive, effective, and transparent government.
We have worked to facilitate the bringing of one or more choices for Oakland.
We want those choices to be complete and internally coherent.
In the first phase, the working group deliberated efficiently to analyze why the charter contributed to Oakland's dysfunction.
We all know their conclusion based on extensive input was that the lines of authority and accountability have been blurred.
They, for the first time, gave Oakland a coherent public report about our history and when and how the charter authorities were muddied.
They explained two prevailing models of municipal governance, and they daylighted experiences in different cities as well as the consensus of experts that either model could work if well executed.
I want to underscore their advice, which was to do something, because the worst outcome of this process would be to do nothing.
Since the working group's report in January, Mayor Lee and Council President Jenkins have led a second phase.
They have produced legislation that clearly articulates one model.
It happens to be the model that research suggests is the one likely to function well in cities like Oakland, where there are grave disparities, where there's a highly engaged civic culture, where there are complex intergovernmental relationships to manage, and where a city confronts significant fiscal challenges.
As we've heard, it would have been possible for others of you to also present legislation for the alternative model.
That didn't happen, happily it's not necessary because one clear ballot measure will clarify which model of governance Oaklanders prefer.
We are at the final phase where the process is in your hands.
Sometimes I liken this process to passing the baton in a relay race.
The working group members collectively were the lead runner.
The mayor and council president Jenkins took the baton and have produced solid legislation.
Now, this is in your hands to confirm that this legislation clearly articulates a choice for the voters, not necessarily that it's the model you personally might have preferred.
I would argue that your role is to safeguard the integrity of the legislation and present that choice to the voters.
The voters should run the last lap here.
Please refer this measure to the ballot.
Good afternoon.
My name is James Murphy, and I'm an Oakland resident for over 30 years, and I support this measure in this ballot, and I make uh please the recommendation to move this forward.
Um I did have a little bit of a prepared speech here, but having listened to the mayor, and um one thing I wanted to bring up is I trust this mayor.
I earnestly trust her professionalism and their experience.
And we should vote to move this forward, one, because it trusts her that structural change needs to happen.
If you don't move this forward, as I will continue to live here probably for the next 30 years, we're gonna say, what happened?
City council voted for the status quo, put it to the voters.
I think a lot of people here have talked about um how well thought out this was, how the community was brought into the process, and uh it's not about the current mayor, it's about structural change that's needed.
Thank you.
Uh good afternoon, President Jenkins, City Council members and staff.
My name's Andreas Kluver, and I'm here not only as head of the Alameda County Building Trades Council and second vice president of the Central Labor Council, but also as a long-term resident of Oakland.
One thing we can all agree on is the way we're structured now is not working.
So we need the change.
So you need to be bold here and make a movement.
The other thing, too, is that this charter is the people's charter, the residents of Oakland.
It's not the mayor's charter, it's not the council's charter, it's not the C administrators' charter.
It is the people's charter.
And the working group process has been an extensive, comprehensive, inclusive, and participatory process of which labor was a big part to come up with the recommendations.
And we strongly urge you to support those recommendations.
There may be some changes that you may need to make, but you need to follow the spirit of a document that was crafted with full participation.
So with that, take action, be bold, and we'd like you to support the recommendations of the working group.
Thank you.
I'm Sujata Shrivastava from Spur.
I'm gonna cede my time to my colleague Nicole Nedic.
Good afternoon.
My name is Nicole Nedich, and I'm here today representing Spur.
We've had the great honor of helping co-facilitate the mayor's working group over the last year, and we urge you today to move this measure to the ballot and let voters decide.
As you've heard, so many Oaklanders took part in this process because they love this city, they want better for the city, and they want a city that is designed to work.
Everyone that we talked to agreed that Oakland's current charter is not working.
It blends a council manager form with a strong mayor form of government without securing the benefits of either of them.
We have a mayor that the people vote for to lead our city, but that doesn't have a vote on council and lacks veto power that they would have in a strong mayor city, a power that ensures that the CEO of a city can weigh in on important policy decisions that impact the operations of the city.
We have a council who takes the majority of constituent complaints, but that doesn't have a way to hold the administration accountable.
And we have an unelected city administrator who holds all of the responsibility currently for executing laws and policies, but who's unaccountable to the people of Oakland and who takes conflicting directions from the mayor and the council.
The result, a system where everyone is pointing fingers at one another, and we need a change.
This was the first recommendation of the working group.
Do something.
The working group ultimately recommended the strong mayor structure because it's most aligned with Oakland specific needs.
It's highly engaged residents, its need for strong citywide perspective, and its need for visible accountable leadership.
The mayor's office did the hard work of picking these recommendations up, working with you all on reasonable amendments that preserve the integrity of the recommendations and moving this process forward.
Well, you could have brought other legislation forward, you didn't, and so we please ask you right now to support the incredible momentum and work that went into this, um, and move this to the ballot for voters to decide the next step.
Thank you.
Thank you.
And to the security guards, one in, one out.
There has to be a seat for some.
If we're if more people are coming in, please make sure there's a seat for them.
If not, please direct them to the overflow room.
One in, one out.
My name is Corey Cook.
There's no perfect form of government.
Every institutional design involves trade-offs.
The working group understood this.
We began the process with different views, different perspectives, and different preferences, and yet we ended it with their unanimous series of recommendations.
Our recommendations were unanimous because we concluded that Oakland's greatest challenge is a system that fragments authority, blurs responsibility, and weakens accountability.
If we had concluded that a city manager council system would be better, we would have adopted that.
And I would be here today recommending that.
Instead, we concluded that Oakland will be best served by a balanced system, and with the chief executive is elected by and directly accountable to the voters, and whether the council is strengthened as a co-equal legislative branch with robust oversight responsibilities.
I recognize this may not be everyone's first choice, but I hope that you'll ask that yourselves the same question that we asked ourselves on the commission, which is not whether this proposal is perfect, but whether or not it is substantially better than where we are today.
We unanimously concluded that it is, and we ask that you please allow the voters to make their determination.
Mindy Pechnook, candidate for Oakland mayor, and the buck has to stop here.
The rhetoric about just throwing it out to the voters is not going to work.
You have to own up.
The system today doesn't work, but putting through a strong mayor is putting through another system that does not work, and that's not a solution.
And Ken Houston, to you, council member Houston, you know.
I think that you all have an ability now to actually go and get your mayor on the city council.
That's your solution.
You need to have your mayor functioning with you on a daily basis when you're meeting, in dialogue, in discussion.
And if you don't have that, Oakland will go down the hill.
So right now I am calling God before you do not pass this strong mayor.
This cannot go on the ballot, and let's fight for what will work and have a city that's actually going to be a beautiful great Oakland.
That's why.
My name is Meg McAdam.
I'm an Oakland resident, small business owner, and the founder of Human and Pet Initiative and Oakland-based nonprofit.
I support charter reform.
I believe strongly in civic engagement, which is why I attended the community meeting.
I assumed that I would support the strong mayor system, but I came away believing a council manager system would be better for Oakland.
Others may reasonably disagree, but that's the point.
Mary Lee, I hear you saying that this measure should go to the ballot so that Oakland residents can be heard.
But there's a difference between public engagement and public selection.
If Oakland residents are capable of deciding who should be mayored, then why are we not capable of deciding which form of government we want?
We lived with the current structure for 22 years.
Most of us agree it doesn't work.
I applaud the mayor for starting this initiative, but because we've also waited 22 years to have this conversation, we need to adopt the structure that will shape the city of Oakland for the next 20 years or more.
Why aren't voters being given the opportunity to make that choice?
I don't want to.
Thank you, ma'am.
Your time is up.
Good afternoon.
Lynette Diaz.
I'm an Oakland.
I've been a Oakland resident for 25 plus years.
I'm also a downtown business center for over 20 years.
The recommendations before the council are the result of a thorough, objective, community-driven process.
They reflect extensive community engagement, not a top-down agenda by the mayor.
The working group's charge was to simply assess and make recommendations about how Oakland's government structure could better serve its residents all, all and that is what they did.
And those recommendations, as modified by the mayor in consultation with many of the council members, are what are before you tonight and or this afternoon, and they will provide the the citizens of Oakland a balanced separation of powers, clear executive authority that increases accountability, making misconduct more visible and attributable.
A council that maintains full legislative and budgetary powers and gains power to override any veto with a supermajority.
Thank you, ma'am.
Your time is up.
Good afternoon, Councilmembers.
My name is Ben Gould, and I'm speaking as an individual.
I encourage you to vote no on both this ballot measure and on the amendments.
A strong mayor system only works if the mayor is given a dangerous level of power to implement their agenda.
They must stand or fall on their own.
These amendments would risk yet another dysfunctional government.
I am sympathetic to the concerns that these amendments are trying to address, which is why I recommend you work towards a council manager form of government.
You had no say in who was appointed to the working group, and you are not required to put forward just any ballot measure that comes across your desk.
That's what the signature initiative process is for.
Our democratic process, your voters, require you to use your judgment and expertise to represent and advocate for the best interest of your community.
In November, the voters will not see your concerns or hesitations here on the dais.
They will see the council voted in support and they will trust their elected officials.
If you do not think this proposal is in the best interest of your community, you should vote no.
Thank you.
Good afternoon, Council members.
Mark Sowicky, resident of district one.
Um, thank you to the three council members who voted no on this at the last meeting, and especially for council member Unger for trying to bring forward the council manager form.
Um I'd be very interested in hearing from the four council members who expressed reservations but still voted no.
What do you have against the council manager form of government?
Why not put a competing measure on the ballot?
Um, if if you have two measures on the ballot, which everyone gets the most votes, as long as they're both a majority, is the one that you move forward with.
It's very simple.
Let the voters decide.
Thank you.
Hi, council member um Jenkins and to the rest of the council members.
I'm Pastor Lankford.
I'm a 64-year resident of Oakland, and I want to concede my time to Mr.
Fred Blackwell.
Hi, Fred Blackwell.
Um, proud member of the workforce and really happy to be here before you and that this is really being talked about right now.
Just wanted to say a couple of things.
One is that uh we did not start this process with a predetermined outcome.
Uh, the mayor did not put her uh you know finger on the scale.
This wasn't something that was uh pre-baked, it was something that started with the question how can we deliver uh for the residents of Oakland the kinds of results that they deserve.
Uh, folks before me who mentioned the fact that we have uh worked with a Frankenstein version uh of city government for a while now that has not delivered results, and I think that while the charter uh work and reform work is not a panacea or silver bullet.
Uh it represents progress, and I think the most of all, I think the voters deserve the opportunity to weigh in on this.
So I'm respectfully urge your support.
Thank you.
This thing about seating time.
Do you seed all your time?
Can you see half your time?
How does that go?
You have a new operating system, the Brown Act.
How does that go?
We'll answer after you're done.
We'll answer after you're done.
Go ahead and get all your time, and then I'll have the parliamentarian answer.
Oh, in other words, I can't see my order in the chambers.
Through the chair, I have on your card written, Mr.
Soldier, that you're ceding to Mr.
Hazard.
Is that correct?
Yeah, you see the start.
Uh, see my time.
I saw he was trying to.
I thought I was trying to add.
Kevin Daly.
If the council does put this initiative on the ballot, I'd like to give one last look at override a veto, especially the budget veto.
For a non-budgetary veto, the city clerk is ordered to put the override of the veto at the next council meeting, no matter what.
For a budgetary override, there is no such uh order, and there's only seven days to override whether or not there is a council meeting on the agenda.
I think there should be a similar rule for budgetary override to have an automatic veto.
Sorry, automatic override going on the next council meeting.
I still prefer a council manager, but I reluctantly think strong mayor is better than the current system, which is a strong administrator.
Item 5.1 parking reorg on the agenda soon is an example, hello, council members.
My name is Steve Cohn.
I'm a long-term resident of Oakland and homeowner in District 1.
And you are our voice in government, and you are we are your constituents, so uh I had received a letter from the working group uh saying there was a QA at the end of the uh message, and it said, question, does the council lose any of its current powers?
And the answer was no.
The proposal does not reduce any of the council's existing formal powers and instead expands their powers.
So with a two-thirds majority, you can override a mayoral veto.
But right now there is no mayoral veto.
So my concern is will we lose our influence if this measure passes, and I ask you to vote against it.
Thank you.
Hello, my name is Nancy Falk, and I'm a proud Oaklander.
Um I just need to reiterate that I'm deeply disappointed that Oaklanders will not have the opportunity to consider the proven best practice in municipal management for high performing cities should this event should this move forward.
Uh we missed the opportunity to bring the highest performing option, which is the council manager form, based on a number of external studies, um, when leaders opted not to consider and bring forward the council manager system, which I strongly prefer.
Um so I wish you well.
I'm gonna continue to be a proud Oaklander, um, and um I'm hoping we can improve the governance system and bring the highest performing best practice to Oaklanders.
Uh members of the city council, greetings.
My name is Stephen Falk.
I'm the co-founder of the Oakland Charter Reform Project.
In California, there are 483 cities, and five of them use the strong mayor system, every other one uses a council manager system.
And that is for a reason.
Over the last 20 years, not a single city has successfully changed from a council manager form to a strong mayor, and that's for a reason.
Two have tried.
San Jose tried in 2014 and at 2020, and were uh Sacramento tried in 2014 and 2020 and were unsuccessful, and those votes were 56 to 45, which is the same uh vote that Measure E just got recently.
San Jose tried in 2020, uh, on a proposal from Mayor Sam LaCardio, but there was so much pushback from the public about concern of concentration of power that the council and the mayor decided.
Good evening, Council President Jenkins, members of the Oakland City Council.
My name is Isaiah Tony.
I'm an organizer with Faith in Action East Bay and speaking in support of the uh current proposal before you and bringing it to the voters in November with whatever amendments you see fit to approve uh this evening.
Um just wanted to ask folks to keep in mind that while the council manager system uh certainly has merits, and it there are uh shortcomings as well.
I think we all remember a number of uh scandals that happened in Oakland under the council manager system, and especially this year, we're eager to make sure that we don't have any new dissent uh consent decrees coming up.
Um the other thing I wanted to mention is that uh if you want to have a process for the public to give more input on a council manager system, uh we will have to have a community engagement process for that system.
Who's gonna do that?
Are you gonna ask the task force to repeat their work, create a new commission?
Is there staff for that?
Is there a budget for that?
Good evening, council members.
I am Barbara Lafitte Oluole and representing hundreds of leaders from Faith in Action East Bay, and I'm here because I love Oakland and want a city government that works for its residents.
Today, when something goes wrong, it's often unclear who is responsible or who has authority to fix it.
That lack of clarity frustrates residents and makes it harder to hold leaders accountable.
This charter reform proposal addresses that problem by creating clearer lines of responsibility so Oaklanders know who is accountable for delivering results.
It's important to be clear.
This proposal does not weaken the council or take away its legislative authority, it strengthens the power of the council.
The council would still pass laws, approve the budget, provide oversight, and represent residents.
However, they will have stronger tools to now do that.
This measure simply clarifies executive responsibility and strengthens accountability.
I urge you to honor the spirit of the working group's recommendations by placing this measure on the ballot and allowing Oakland voters to decide what time.
Uh yes, my name is Gerald Petchenuk, the other Petchenuk.
And I would like to give you what I got in my left hand and give you what I got in my right hand.
So you can get two barrels.
First one, everyone who came up here and said, I'm in the working group and I've been working hard on this, and we had transparency and blah blah blah blah blah.
Forgot to mention who appointed them to the working group.
Barbara Lee.
That's who appointed them.
Decision to appoint a working group instead of an official city advisory body.
That means they didn't have to have open meeting.
The Brown Act, the City Council, the committee, and the advisory bodies must post agendas up front.
That didn't happen.
Okay.
So that's all bald rash.
Second, there's a pot at the end of the rainbow.
The charter could be changed.
Everyone sitting up here and get an extra.
Thank you, Mr.
Pachunik.
Your time is up.
By pushing this proposal forward, my name is Ayende from an island.
By pushing this proposal forward, you further the distrust that is already present because I personally don't trust any of y'all.
But the bottom line is if you create further distrust, all the people who came up here have undermined the president system for the last 30 to 40 years.
They're now at the point where they seize an opportunity or see an opportunity where they could jump in and do something different because they've managed to undermine and cause Oakland to be where it is now.
So now there's a need for a change, so they want the opportunity to have this so-called strong mayor who will further the distrust in Oakland.
I support a Fife Houston proposal for the ballot on November 2nd.
I didn't know this until I read the Oakland report.
But the problem is the process.
So the process calls for you don't have to be in compliance with the Brown Act.
So there was no public agenda with this working group.
There was no public deliberation, no minutes, no video.
The mayor picked the working group.
She picked the questions.
Members were mostly her supporters.
We had listening sessions, but listening sessions are not the same as deliberation opportunity to participate in the deliberation, which the public didn't have.
Where is the fiscal impact study that has to be done around that?
You can't put anything on the ballot without a fiscal impact study or report.
Thank you, Ms.
Orlamala, Mr.
Hazard.
I have you with time seated by Mr.
Sojourn and Mr.
Raimi, and I know they're both here, so you have three minutes.
How many five minutes?
This is a joke.
The League of Women Voters and the other folks, in 1998, they clamored because we had a reincarnation of Christ, Jerry Brown.
That's why they voted for the strong mayor form of government.
Now they come up here and want to switch to the game.
Councilmember Houston was correct.
Put two measures on the ballot.
Wait till the spring of next year.
That's real simple.
Let the voters, if you're concerned about the voters, we want the voters to sign.
With all due respect to the mayor, because she said this is not about personality.
This is about a structure.
So, and the city attorney, we know the city attorney misleads you, because we'll be in court on June 25 on the ballot measure last year, where he altered the text of the Measure A, which is the transaction and use tax.
For 366 days, I've been fighting them.
Okay.
I put this document together after they did it on June 1.
On June 12th, I had this finished.
Got it to the paralegal, and we found it Friday.
Do not vote for this.
And you could come up here with all these glorious deliveries, but you're being misled.
And this is one of them.
If you're concerned about all due respect, Councilmember Fife or the voters voting for it, then let's have like council member Houston said, put two things on the ballot.
It's no right.
And we're talking about the negligence of this council.
The charter right now is clear.
But you don't follow through with what's in the charter.
And right now, if you look at what's proposed here, you become caretakers.
That's all you are.
Caretakers.
Your power has been stripped.
Read it.
Don't go for the Oakie Doke.
Do not vote for this.
And all of you who do, and you're up for re-election, you're gonna be called on the carpet, Jenkins.
Just like you did on uh uh uh rule 29 when you and Ramachandra, after the mayor, didn't vote for the tie.
That was legal.
I got that all written up, but I had to deal with this one first, okay?
Because that's coming back door, the writ, because what you did was suspending the rules last November 4th and December 16th.
That was all illegal, and the city attorney and the parliamentarian should have told you that.
You ignore, and guy, you always turn around and say, Well, the city attorney tells me the city attorney be lying to you.
Okay, I give you the law, and you don't want to look at it.
The charter is clear with regards to your responsibility.
You're not adhering to your responsibility.
You're negligent.
Because it's easier to take under.
Thank you, Mr.
Hazard.
Your time is up, thank you, Mr.
Hazard.
Honorable council members, good afternoon.
My name is Sean Illsburn.
I have the privilege of serving as the president and CEO of the San Francisco Planning and Urban Research Center Spur.
Uh, it has been our true honor to work with so many people to get this proposal in front of you today.
Uh, I just want to uplift a couple of points.
What's been said has already been said.
I don't need to restate too much.
Um, let's give the voters a chance.
Let's give the voters an opportunity to weigh in.
And I want to uplift Gail's comments earlier.
I love the analogy of passing the baton and running the relay race.
We're now at that stage where we get to continue the element of civic education.
Continue the element of talking about the city of Oakland's charter, how we should be governed as a city.
That's what happens between now and November.
That has been the biggest benefit of the outreach we have done so far.
The huge number of members of the public that have learned how their government has operated and how it could operate.
Let that process continue.
Bring this to the voters, and let's let the voters weigh in at the end.
Thank you very much.
When I start this, my name is Richard Fuentes.
I'm an executive board member with ASME Council 57.
I have members that work throughout the City of Oakland, East Bay Regional Parks, the Oakland Museum or USD, AC Transit, BART.
Just to name a few.
But I'm here today to really urge you, as a member of the working group, to please allow the voters, the public, to vote on this proposal.
As a former City of Oakland employee, I saw how difficult it was to provide resources to answer constituency calls because we can't deliver, because we don't know who's in charge.
We don't know who's in charge of filling the pothole.
We don't know who's in charge of trimming our trees.
The public is looking to hold somebody accountable, and I think this allows an opportunity for the public to make a decision.
I urge you to please put this on the ballot.
As a small business owner, I urge you to allow the voters to vote and happy pride.
Thank you.
Thank you, Mr.
Fuentes.
Moving to the Zoom speakers, starting with again, I will be calling the names only of those who submitted a card for item 5.2, starting with Helen Hutchinson.
Please unmute yourself and begin your comments.
Good afternoon.
My name is Helen Hutchison.
I'm a resident of District 3.
Um, Oakland's current governance system is dysfunctional.
The proposal before you today is to adopt a standard strong mayor model of government.
Some people, including some council members, prefer the other model, the council manager form of government.
However, despite a lot of talk, no one has produced the language to make that a viable option for Oakland voters in November.
There are also calls for a new process, one they would call more public than what has happened.
I'll point out that this kind of process, a formal charter review commission, is what brought us the current state of dysfunction.
The time now is to decide do we do something or do we do nothing and continue in this current dysfunctional state of affairs?
Thank you.
Moving to the next speaker, Karan Salak.
Sorry if I said that incorrectly.
Please unmute yourself and begin begin your comments.
Good afternoon.
My name is Karun Saluk.
I'm the vice chair of the public ethics commission.
I'll focus my remarks on two aspects that are fairly small in the grant scheme but very important to the commission's work.
First, we welcome the opportunity through this proposal to set the mayor and city council salaries in the same manner as other elected officials.
However, that process and those factors take considerable commission resources.
At a minimum, we would request that the proposal start the setting of those salaries in 2028 to align with the city attorney and city auditor so that it would efficiently use the commission's resources.
Second, the changes to Section 218 stray far from the Commission's mandate of ethics and transparency and don't really belong in the commission's enforcement jurisdiction.
If they are to remain in the enforcement jurisdiction of the commission, and this proposal were to pass, the commission would need additional resources to set standards to meaningfully enforce those provisions.
Thank you very much for the opportunity to comment.
Blair Beekman, you are next.
Please unmute yourself and begin your comment.
Hi, Blair Beekman.
Good luck with this item.
I've spoken um often.
You know, I I'm hoping that we really want to work for a good organization and uh good governance together, that that can be a guiding light in however we're going to talk about this issue in the next few months.
I heard some few ideas about uh from the strong mayor position how this wants to be on the ballot that uh is interesting.
But I've just described before, being from San Diego, you know, we have an IBA system already, and it isn't working.
We need to move, we're trying to find ways to move past that because it isn't working.
And I would hate to think you guys are gonna do this system and it doesn't work or it won't be sustainable.
I think it may work at first, but over time, is it going to be sustainable?
I think we need to trust what uh the council manager hybrid system can offer, and that we can still practice the strong mayor system within that, and that shouldn't be feared.
Uh I don't know what else to say.
Um, good luck that we work on this together for organization.
That's that's thank you, Mr.
Beekman.
Is Brian Missick in the chamber or on Zoom?
If you're on Zoom, please raise your hand.
Otherwise, at this time, all names who have submitted a card for this item have been called.
Thank you to everybody that came out to speak on this item.
We're gonna open up to council members.
Council member.
Yep.
Um, yeah, still so grateful for all the community feedback.
I know that at least for myself, um, I've I've uh I guess set through the presentation of these amendments maybe three or four times times so far.
Um, and um I know that from the start, uh I had a lot of apprehensions.
And um, kind of following that first discussion, I had the opportunity to work um closely with the Office of the Mayor and and their team to try to um include some amendments to section 2218 and various other sections, and so um as was stated by uh my other council council member Unger, um, I do not um I'm I'm not interested in having both of these items appear on the ballot, and I think that in this moment we should move forward with what was proposed.
Um, and and then also there's gonna be a true test of when we say that there has been community engagement on this item.
Um, we're gonna be able to see that, right?
Um, and so um, you know, I'll make the motion to go ahead and move uh the mayor's proposal as is um at this time.
Thank you.
Second, Councilmember Wall.
Um, so well, we there's a motion on the floor, but I do want to explain the amendments and the authority that it gives this council body and why I do think that we should adopt uh the amendments that I've uh put forth.
So just in general, I've established already that um sorry, excuse me.
One sec.
Uh I've already uh discussed the last time we discussed this item.
Why I do think that we need elected executive authority, because so many of the dysfunctions we experience in the city are related to the implementation and execution of our policies, uh, not the legislative issues that we have.
Um, however, um, one thing that's really important to me is to actually increase the transparency in our current processes, department heads actually don't get any vetting before this legislative body.
The amendments that I've added change that.
Uh, and and to be clear, I want to thank the mayor uh and her team because they had already uh incorporated a subset of the department heads to uh formal council confirmation hearing.
So this was the head of finance, the head of HR as well as the departments charged with public works infrastructure streets, so that would in the current day would be Department of Transportation as well as the Department of Public Works.
However, I don't think it goes far enough, and and to be clear, this does not conflict with a strong mayor proposal.
I did a peer review of around 25 cities.
It is commonplace to have uh essentially council vetting process.
Uh, when I reviewed about 25 cities, so part of what I've added is an amendment to this gives us the option, it is not a mandate, it gives us the option to bring forward any newly appointed heads to come before this body in an informational session.
I think one danger of the strong mayor system is that I a mayor could put in place an unqualified friend of theirs who has no business being you know the head of, you know, whatever department.
I I'm not gonna name a specific department, but the key thing is that I think one of our duties is the city council is to actually surface questions, um, force transparency uh into the public sphere in terms of what are the qualifications, what is the background around a department head that a mayor is appointing.
And so I have added um a number of I haven't put in the departments by name because it'll leave um it it just leaves more flexibility in case departments merge and there's changes over the course of you know the next decades of uh the city government, but and as in essence it includes the department heads of housing production, fire, uh protection and response, uh parks, uh included in that.
Um yeah, anyways, a number of those departments included as part again.
It is our it is open to us whether we want to vet these department heads or not, and we would define the exact procedure through an ordinance that way we don't need to go through the ballot measure again to define what exactly that informational vetting would look like.
And I'll just say this that I think that adopting this without that extra layer of transparency would be problematic.
We we should do that.
I've talked to the mayor's team, they're they're good with this amendment.
Uh if anyone wants to speak to that, but I think it is important that we actually show to the voters that this is a movement to additional transparency compared to what we have right now.
Thank you.
Uh council member, who's next?
Oh, Kyle.
Thank you.
Thank you, and thank you for all of you that uh joined joined us this afternoon for the presentation.
Uh I certainly, I mean, I support uh a strong city council, city manager form of government.
Uh was witnessed when Jerry Brown was mayor, because I worked under Jerry Brown when he went to the voter to become stronger and run the city and become the mayor form of government, and it had a great impact in terms of what happens in the neighborhood.
It had a great impact in terms of how the council functions, because at one time the mayor was present at all the city council meetings.
He was present, she was present, and they were actually able to discuss, debate, and work together with the council as one.
And um, and so when you take a look at the majority of cities in California, they're a city council, city manager form of government.
The only one in the Bay Area is Oakland and San Francisco because they're a county city form of government.
And but you don't see any other city here in the Bay Area that has a mayor form of government.
So certainly, you know, I will continue to support the city council, city manager form of government, and um, because I think we have a greater responsibility to get things done and not hold more press conferences every day to how great a job we're doing when we're living if you live in the hood.
Well, hell, you're going through a different experience and not having press conference.
Oh, we're doing such a great job here, we're doing this, we're doing that.
But my children are afraid to walk to school and because they may not return back from school, home, and therefore we'd have a different attitude today in Oakland and and for those of us that grew up here in Oakland and East Oakland, we haven't seen Oakland the way it is today.
So we need to get back and uh reestablish a city council, city manager form of government, because at one time all the city administrators would meet with each council member once a month, because you would give them direction what needs to happen in your district, and they would have to report back in terms of what they did or didn't do, and uh, and I didn't have to face the grand jury because I'm micromanagement the city system here as it is today.
So anyway, so my vote today will be no on this matter, and we need to re-establish the city council city management.
Thank you, Councilmember Guyo, Councilmember Unger.
Uh question to the city attorney.
The mayor's office submitted a bunch of amendments between the first reading and the second reading.
Are those all automatically included and would be passed if this measure passed?
Um yeah, so through the chair to Councilmember Unger and to the maker and the seconder of the motion, um, you need to clarify whether you're adopting uh the legislation as indicated um in the supplemental legislation um dated 612 2026.
And I believe the mayor's office is here to speak to the amendments that were included in that legislation.
I'd like to hear that.
Thanks.
Thanks, Councilmember Unger.
You beat me to it.
Um President Kilgar, Deputy Chief Staff to Mayor Barbara Lee.
So, yes, to read these some of the amendments that were uh mentioned last week or two weeks ago on the record.
Um, I'll go through those very briefly.
They are on legislatar for your all public your public viewing.
Um, but if you go to section two sixteen, effective data resolutions and ordinances subdivision D, um we are amending uh section two sixteen D, specifically adding or is otherwise required by law.
Um, amendment two is uh section two eighteen, non-interference, right of inquiry and access for constituent services.
Um for this one, we are removing section two eighteen a um both specific languages, each department under the mayor's or city administrator's jurisdiction shall maintain at least one designated council, is on for for council inquiries, and the mayor or city administrators shall ensure coordination.
Um amendment three, um, under section two eighteen, non-interference, right of inquiry and access for constituent services.
Um for this one, we're specifically adding um per the recognition from council is um under 218C, shall have the power to.
The full sentence is council members and their staff shall not have the power to um direct, give orders to or attempt to coerce any department head or any other subordinate of the city under the jurisdiction of the mayor, city administrator, or other appointed or elected officers in respect to administrative action.
Um, the next amendment we have is amendment four, section three oh five R functions, powers, and duties of the mayor.
Um the civic language under for this one is under 305R to perform such we're adding to perform such other duties as may be prescribed by this charter or by ordinance or resolution.
The last two amendment five section 502 um this was one requested by city attorney at section 502 acting city administrator um section 502 acting so we are specifically adding acting city administrator the city administrator shall designate two or more of the city administrators' assistants or department heads in the sequence in which they are to serve as acting city administrator to serve as city administrator in the temporary absence or disability of the city administrator in the event of the removal resignation of the city administrator the mayor may designate one of the city ministers' assistants or department head to temporarily serve as acting city administrator an acting city administrator shall have all the powers and duties of the city administrator the last one and thank you for bearing with me is amendment six section 603 Celected official salary increases.
So this one um there's one small line that came from the public ethics commission that we are happy to accommodate is the full set or the language we're adding is at the discretion of the executive director um and so the full sentence is elected official salary increases the public ethics commission with the assistance of the city administrator andor outside consultants at the discretion of the executive director shall set the salary for the for all elected offices um as provided for in charter sections 2020 401 and 4031 thank you for bearing with me appreciate you uh thank you for that um so process question so the amendments from council members wong and Houston would we have to vote on all of these amendments together or is there a way to separate them out there can be an alternative motion but if there are individual if there are individual if you want to vote on them we I guess we can do a straw poll.
Is that that that's up to you I mean my my where I'm coming from is I believe that the mayor's office should have the opportunity to write the ballot measure that they want I'm not in support of it but I believe that this is their measure so I would support their their ballot measures or their amendments rather um what I don't want to do is sort of try to graft a partial strong council system onto a strong mayor system.
I believe that at that point then we wouldn't know what the voters were telling us if they voted it up and down in November so I would uh not like to add partial strong council provisions to the strong mayor provision so I am in support of the mayor's amendments um and not in support of the other amendments thank you for uh council member heuston so it's easy for other council members to say this I represent I'm the public servant and I'm gonna say this clear I'm the public servant of the most underserved community in Oakland is district seven and I want to be able to move to the highest level for my people that's been under served for years and decades right and this is not going to allow me to do what I have to do I'm already breaking the charter when I do things like move things that I should move direct people I do it I do and I'll call it out that way they can do whatever they want to do to me let me say this because I'm gonna represent my people to the highest level I'm built from a different cloth.
So if I can't represent my people as being underserved for so many years I'm gonna say and if my amendments don't go on this I'm gonna say no.
So what did you say council member president that my amendments aren't in this you said if your amendments aren't in there you're not gonna say I'm gonna say no yeah yeah my amendments aren't in there my my vote is no okay thank you.
Councilmember Wong.
Yeah.
I also want to make myself myself clear here that I think look, we the consolidation of power and of executive authority is both something that we need, but without the added layers of transparency, I cannot be on board.
And the other thing I will say is this is that this is not some sort of freaky hybrid scenario.
The amendments that I proposed, New Orleans did a charter amendment and they did a study where they actually gave council members confirmation authority.
Out of 25 cities that have a strong mayor system, they have this council confirmation system.
I think that's it's an important that we as a body stand for transparency, that we show that we're willing to do our jobs to vet uh any department head, and that we ensure that we don't have unqualified people heading up multi-million dollar departments.
I and again, this leaves the option for us to pursue this.
This is not mandating it, it simply gives us the option to do this, and I think that is a type of authority that I don't think that we should strip away from ourselves.
Thank you, Councilmember.
Council Member Houston's out of our seat, out of the city.
Yeah, sorry, uh no, yeah, sorry.
Councilmember Brown.
Excellent.
Um I just wanted to just say publicly, um, similarly, um, I'm not supportive of the additional amendments for a very clear reason that there has been much months of community engagement around the specif around the specific around the specific um items that are before us, and from the very first time the working group in the office of the mayor presented to us months ago.
Um, following that discussion, I had the opportunity to weigh in, make my recommendations.
So I think in this moment, which I would say the 12th hour to have an item that hasn't gone through the same level of scrutiny around um these proposed changes.
Like I I just I can't get on board.
So let's go back a little bit.
So are you is your recommendation as amended?
So as amended by the mayor's office, okay as amended.
On the motion, so just through the chair for clarity, the the motion and the second is to adopt the recommendation.
Um the supplemental legislation submitted by the mayor, data at 612 that's in your packet.
Okay.
Now I'd just like to weigh in very quickly with regard to an amendment that we had had uh to clarify we had accepted council member wong's amendment uh in terms of the vetting issue that she just laid out at the at the just now at the council meeting.
We had discussed this prior to today and have accepted that for the record.
Councilmember Brown.
Uh, quick question um through the chair to the mayor.
Um I know that there were some substitute some significant changes that were added around the department heads prior to this, and so I'm just looking at the item that I'm seeing in front of me now.
The department heads uh initially uh prior to today, we had discussed the council approving certain department heads, finance, public works, uh transportation, and I believe it was one more.
Those would be subject to council approval.
The ones we're talking about today that council member wong has suggested would go through a vetting process where the those individual department heads would come to the council per the council's request to question them to ask questions about their background or to make some recommendations to the mayor, not approving necessarily, but making sure that their background and experience and credentials were uh presented.
Okay, thank you.
Thank you.
Are you going to amend your motion to add council member wong's?
Are you gonna amend your motion to allow for council member wong?
Oh, council member Pfeiffers.
I just want to I want to get clarity, and I I appreciate the mayor speaking to this, but I want to understand how transparency about someone's resume, because that's how I'm reading this amendment is allowing the city council to vet these other department heads.
How does that play out in the functionality of having stronger department?
I don't understand I don't understand this amendment.
So through the chair, um to council member Wong, how does this strengthen the council's powers?
And how does it determine that we'll get better department heads?
And then will we have to go start a whole new recruitment process if the council votes it down?
I don't understand how this strengthens the outcomes of what my constituents want to see, which is better delivery of services, because what it comes down to me is enforcement.
I've been told by one department head in particular, we're going to do five different things around the legal dumping.
And when I asked four months later, where are those, where are the outcomes, where the enforcement to these things that you said you were going to do, and I was then accused of directing staff by asking what happened four months ago.
A complaint was filed against me, if you all didn't know, for asking what was going on with illegal dumping in my district, and I don't see how vetting their resume could have impacted that situation.
So help me understand how this strengthens our powers and getting.
For example, um, I think it was the police commission appointments, right?
I think that was something that was a vigorous discussion in rules committee.
It allows at least some the surfacing of whether this person is qualified or not.
And while this does not give us formal appointment powers for this subset of department heads, it can create the political pressure to uh for this particular mayor not to hire a department head if it's made clear that someone is being appointed who is not qualified to take on that role.
I hear you, I hear you.
I don't see I don't see how this does that.
People come with their best foot forward in presentations and interviews.
I've seen it a million times for commissions, and we don't know until they actually get in the role and start engaging in that role.
I feel like this increases the administrative burden on the council, where I don't want to micromanage um the the mayor or the city administrator and who they hire.
I want to determine by what they do when they get in the job that they are qualified by what they are actually doing, not what they're saying.
So I don't I personally understand um what you're trying to get at.
I just don't think that this is the amendment that gets us there.
Again, I want to see results, and we're not gonna get that by what people say in front of us at a microphone.
Councilmember, may I through the chair?
Uh councilmember Frank, the reason that uh I thought this made sense was that any mayor would see this as a red flag, uh, the vetting process, and if that red flag, I mean, that would be uh something that would add a layer of scrutiny for any appointment.
So let's go to go.
And the intent is not for again this is a pre-appointment vetting process.
So it's not the intent is not to micromanage anyone, it's really to say, you know, if there's some doubts by this body and we would like to vet someone before they get into the role, we're actually preventing the micromanagement later down the line.
It just allows us again the option to vet an individual.
That's it.
It's not mandatory.
Thank you, Councilmember.
I'm gonna go to Houston.
Unger Brown, and then we'll call a question.
Through the chair, I just want to say I agree with you, Councilmember Way.
Um Council Member Wong, I'm concerned that a lot of times people apply for jobs without telling their current um employers that they're applying for jobs, and so if everyone has to come to us before they've gotten the job, uh that's gonna have a chilling effect on who's gonna come want to apply for those jobs.
Yes, I mean we just okay, let's go to council member wong and then we'll go to Brown.
So we discussed that scenario, Councilmember Unger.
That is again why the language is deliberately left flexible so that we have the option of bringing someone before us.
Uh it is not it is not mandatory, and so we're were it to undercut the uh our ability to hire someone on a competitive nature, the language has been deliberately designed to uh for us to uh formulate an ordinance that would address that.
Thank you, and then let's go to Brown.
Yeah, I think my question or the red flag that I'm seeing in this is the issue around there being an option, because wouldn't you want to ensure that there is actually like an analogous process, like a process that is the same and not driven by one to two uh maybe council members that feel that you know X, Y, and Z, what you're trying to articulate, and so for a department head A, we you know, two uh a couple council members feel that there's a red flag about their um you know um them being qualified, whereas maybe you know, weeks later there's another department head or something that's hired and they don't go to that through that same scrutiny, and so I guess maybe I'm asking more of like a legal question in on this item.
Like, is this actually legal?
Well, it was vetted by the city attorney, so it's definitely legal through the through the chair to the office of the city attorney.
Sure.
Through the through the chair Ryan Richardson, city attorney.
So uh Councilmember Wong's amendment or proposed amendment would be to allow the city council at a later date to pass an ordinance, and that ordinance would set out the process for for vetting or not vetting certain department heads.
That ordinance would also list which department heads would be subject to the vetting.
It would specify whether that vetting takes place pre-appointment or post-apointment.
But to answer your question, Councilmember Brown, it's that ordinance is what would provide the certainty as to which department heads are or are not subject to vetting.
I don't the idea is not that for each appointment, the council would just decide on a case by case basis whether that individual is subject to vetting.
The council would have to make a decision about what their process was going to be and then apply that process consistently going forward.
And then um so after passing that ordinance and we make a determination of you know the said department heads, um, what what is the outcome through through this open session?
Like, are we voting on this as a body?
Like, okay, well, five of us think that you know, you know, this vetting is you know, we we approve, or like what what is our outcome and like what it what is the yeah, what is the outcome?
So the the it would differ, it would not be a confirmation process.
So it would not be the case that the appointment would be subject to council approval.
It would be much more like an informational report where the count the council might provide feedback on an individual basis, but they would really just receive the information.
Got you, and is this taking place after like the person is still in the hiring process?
Is that what it is?
It could take place pre-appointment or post appointment.
That is a decision the council would have to make in the ordinance of whether it wanted to do that process pre-appointment or post, but so the council could decide um that it's better to do this process to have this informational session after the person is appointed.
I see, and then with the ordinance also be doing the same thing if there's multiple candidates, the mayor would submit their one their when a their prospective appointee.
It's not a it's not a interview process or a vetting process for multiple candidates.
It would be that the person the mayor intends to appoint or has appointed would come before council.
I see.
All right, thank you.
Council Member Ramachandran, you have your hand raised.
Yes, thank you.
Um I don't support this amendment either because even though it might be legal on paper, it if we're gonna go with the strong mayor system, then it should be neatly that.
This leads to the idea that council can discriminate against certain types of department heads, certain people, certain backgrounds, certain identities that that individual holds, and in a not uniform fashion.
I think that it is dangerous to give council some power to have this discretion, and then and what happens after this process is still unclear, but not give that same level of scrutiny to everything across the board.
You know, if it was neatly a council manager system, you would have that you'd have much more discretion across the board, but if it's a strong mayor system, I don't think it's right for council to get to pick and choose which type of people who get selected for certain departments, and again, we don't know who's gonna sit in these chairs in you know a decade from now who might choose to discriminate against certain characteristics, and I think that sets a dangerous precedent.
So that's just a statement, not a question.
Thank you.
Thank you, council member.
Um so I'm gonna ask for the end of debate and council member brown.
Are you gonna accept the amendment from council member wong?
Okay, madam clerk call the role and what we're calling the role on, is uh mayor's strong mayor as amended in the supplemental, calling the vote on item 5.2 as amended, including amendments in the supplemental, council member brown, aye council member five, aye, council member guy no council member Houston, no council member Ramachandran.
I couldn't hear you one more time, no council member wong why my I'm sorry, Councilmember Unger.
No, council member Wong uh yes council member Jenkins aye.
Motion fails with a vote of one, two, three eyes, one, two, three, four.
I'm sorry, it's a tie four and four, is the mayor available to break a tie?
Yes, Mr.
President.
President Jenkins, I'd like to break the tie on this.
How do you vote?
I vote yes.
Thank you.
Motion passes with a tie-breaking vote by Mayor Lee.
Moving on to item 4.1.
Going back to the regular order of the agenda.
Starting with item 4.1, I do need a motion to open the public hearing.
So moved.
Second.
I can't hear.
Was that Unger and Brown?
Thank you.
On the motion to open the public hearing, council member, move by council member unger, second by council member Brown.
Councilmember Brown.
Aye.
Council Member Fife?
Aye.
Councilmember Gaio.
We're on item 4.1 motion to open the public hearing.
Open the public hearing, yeah.
Yes.
Councilmember Houston.
On the motion to open the public hearing, are you aye or no?
Something is still going on.
So while something is still going on.
So why are we going to open form?
We're going to open public when we have something still happening right over here.
Your previous item is complete.
So are you on item 4.1?
Are you voting yes to open the public hearing or no?
No.
Councilmember Ramachandran.
Councilmember Unger.
Aye.
Council Member Wong.
Aye.
Chair Jenkins.
Aye.
Motion passes with a vote of seven ayes, one no.
Houston reading the item into public.
I'm sorry, reading the item into record.
Conduct a public hearing and upon conclusion adopt an ordinance as recommended by the planning commission amending title 17 of the Oakland Municipal Code.
Updating the accessory dwelling unit regulations for consistency with state law providing written findings pursuant to government code 66326 part B, revising discontinuance standards for non-conforming activities.
Removing applicability of S10 Cynic route, combining zone zone discretionary standards to ministerial design review, permitting recreational setback in D-Co-2 zone, removing a review deadline from development agreement procedure in section 17.138.030.
Revising utility screening standards in appropriate.
I'm sorry, revising utility screening standards in section 17.124.045 incorporating conforming and clerical revisions and making appropriate SQL findings.
You have three speakers.
So here are the just the uh three categories of amendments that the planning is proposing.
The first uh is ATU related amendments.
Um the city's ADU ordinance has evolved over time to remain consistent with state law.
Most recently, the city received a findings letter from state HCD evaluating the city's ADU regulations for consistency with the state law and to remain consistent with the state law planning stop proposes the following three minor changes, mainly to remove subjective terms such as visible, predominant, or visually similar, because um only objective design standards may be applied to ATUs.
Um findings that were addressed by the planning staff with state HCD during a meeting uh on April 20th, and these uh do not require code amendments.
Um and the city is fully complied with the state law.
Um so here's the summary of the proposed other uh related to ADU code changes.
Um these amendments were discussed and addressed at the city council.
Um at the CD, I'm sorry.
Um and finally um here's just a summary of um uh some examples of of uh um uh uh clerical uh revisions to correct errors and inconsistencies um in the code.
Um and these did not raise any uh questions at CED.
Um so this concludes the summary of the proposed changes, and I will leave the uh staff and planning commission recommendation up on the screen.
Um and playing stuff is here.
Happy to answer any questions.
Thank you.
Thank you so much.
Let's go to the public speakers.
Thank you.
And as I call your name, please approach the podium.
As usual.
We'll take those who are in person first.
As you um come to the podium again.
Please state your name for the record.
And um for those who are participating online, please raise your hand so we can easily identify you.
I have Kevin Daly, Mrs.
Sala Olabala, and Maven Griffin.
In any order, if you're a participant in the chambers, we'll take you first.
And then following that, we will take those who are participating online.
Again, I have Maven Griffin, Kevin Daly, and Miss Olabala.
All right.
I don't see anyone appropriate.
Oh, I do see Miss Griffin.
Good afternoon.
Maven Carter Griffin, Wood Street People's Collective, and also a steering member of the homeless advocates working group.
I am a longtime resident of Wood Street.
And I'm looking at this briefly to see what's going on.
But here's the thing is that you guys are running the unhoused out of the neighborhood that was specifically localized, and the unhoused from the area had moved into the zone.
And we had a plan for a campus.
Our campus was supposed to be a business campus that included live work, teach, learn, and that was initiated in 2019 with Joe DeVries, which gave us rights to use the land that was predominantly right behind us at Wood Street.
That would be the Caltrans land.
During that period of time, there was uh COVID and we were put on hold.
And many people were looking forward to be working at this location and living at this location and bringing themselves by their bootstraps up out of homelessness.
We were crushed.
We were totally.
So uh the planning department submitted to the California Department of Housing and Community Development.
Certain code changes or what they wanted to do with certain codes, many several of them were found to be uh inconsistent or out of compliance, whatever.
So you had to go back and make corrections.
That's what's happening now.
You made the corrections.
What I'm concerned about, there was a statement in the document that says fire safety.
South Pete Mont is served well with bus stops related to evacuations.
They name the buses 646, 652, and 682.
Those buses are school supplemental buses, they're not the regular routes.
They only come in the morning to pick up the students, and they come in the evening to take them back home.
It's misleading to say that these buses will be available for events.
Thank you for your time, Miss Asada.
Our next or last speaker that signed up for this item, Kevin Daly.
Are you participating here in person?
Or are you on?
Kevin Daly is passing.
That completes your speakers for this item.
I'll entertain a motion.
So moved.
Second.
And that's to staff recommendations and to close the public hearing.
Yes.
Thank you for that.
And that again was I apologize.
A motion by Councilmember Unger, seconded by Councilmember Brown to close the public hearing and approve staff recommendations.
Um on item 4.1 on roll for this council member Brown.
Aye.
Fife.
Is out of her seat.
Guile?
Aye.
Councilmember Houston.
Aye.
Ramachandran.
Councilmember Ramachandran.
Aye.
Thank you.
I call your vote.
Councilmember Ungar?
Aye.
Council Member Wong.
Aye.
And we will go back to Councilmember.
Councilmember Fife, how do you vote?
And Council President Jenkins.
Aye.
Item number 4.1 was approved with eight eyes.
Or yes, eight eyes.
That concludes that.
That concludes your public hearings.
Moving to item 5.1.
Receive an informational report from the city administrator on the proposed reorganization of the Department of Transportation's parking division, including the rationale for the proposal, a fiscal impact statement, including any new or unfrozen staff costs, and an analysis of operational costs, a summary of fiscal impact statement, including any new or unfrozen staff costs, and an analysis of operational cost savings, a summary of outreach that occurred to Department of Transportation staff, the public and the business community, and information on how the change would impact the divisions collaboration with other departments.
Sorry, six speakers on this item.
Hey Brad, how much time do you need?
Two minutes.
Thank you, Council President, members of the council, Brad Johnson, Director of Finance.
Before use informational report regarding the reorganization of parking functions within the city that was approved in your recently adopted budget to really at a high level summarize per this reorganization, the Department of Finance, my department will take on board responsibility for the parking mobility assistance center, including its administration of uh parking citation and back office affairs, uh, things related to the collection and again back office management staff, uh, operations of the meter coin collection process, issuance of residential parking permits again based on the established zones, management of the garages, off-street lots, and management of technology required for collections.
The Department of Transportation will retain written for responsibility for parking enforcement and management of all associated staff on-street parking infrastructure installation like meters or multi-both multi-space and single space, all matters pertaining to traffic zones, right-of-way management, traffic policy, including on and off-street policy in accordance with your parking principles, including center and meter rates, garage rates, modifying zones, and we'll retain key staff members related to those ongoing activities, and they will also retain uh enforcement of abandoned auto assignments.
There's more information in your report regarding the positions that are funded in order to facilitate this.
Um they are noted in table one, and again, these were all collectively approved in your budget.
Uh this report was prepared by the Department of Finance, but in conjunction with the Department of Transportation, who is on board with this reorganization, and we hope to move forward in partnership in a way that will maximize our ability to collect revenue and deliver efficient responsive customer service.
Thank you.
Thank you, Brad.
Let's go to the public speakers.
As a carry name, please approach the podium in any order.
Please state your name for the record.
If you are on Zoom, please raise your hand so I can easily identify you if you wish to speak.
Blair Beekman, Kevin Daly, Mr.
Hazard, Miss Asada Olabala, Michael P.
Ford, Aleya, Anna Sarina Ford, Yasamin Bridget Ford, Shahala Azimi.
I do appreciate the way that this proposal has finally reached the city council.
However, I have extreme disappointment with the way it was handled since October, where staff were getting regular announcements that their job is moving to finance, or maybe it isn't, or maybe the deadlines passed.
This city council years ago decided to separate parking, sorry, transportation from finance, and city administrators shouldn't be ripping it apart unless they come back to council for permission.
I'd like to know what the current city administrator and any future city administrators are planning to do to make sure this type of destructive actions does not happen again.
Thank you.
I don't think you have ever had all of the public awareness of parking revenues and what those revenues are.
When y'all were having discussion last week on the Oakland Ice Center, I brought up that they get people get free parking over there.
I was told by a representative of the administration that the Sparks Management Group pays for the parking.
I have never seen a document that totals up or gives a summation of how much money we've collected from the parking in the garage where there's free validated parking for those who use that ice center.
Haven't seen it.
I don't know how you came to the conclusion that the two garages in Montclair can be managed by the Montclair Business District, and why you are not managing it, and why you don't have oversight of it, as well as the revenues that are brought in in that garage.
So y'all need to do.
Thank you, Ms.
Olabala.
City Clerk, my name is Michael Ford, and I have two people seating uh time to me.
Alele Ansarinho Ford and Yasimon Ford.
Thank you.
Thank you.
Yeah, again, Michael Ford, I'm an Oakland resident and a city employee represented by local 21.
Speaking for myself, the decisions on this reorganization have already been made.
In February, I was removed from managing the parking and mobility division.
And last Thursday, I was removed from managing the abandoned auto unit.
On Friday, council approved four new permanent positions for parking management costing 1.2 million in general purpose fund dollars.
Three of those positions have already been filled with interim appointments.
Those recurring expenses and the breakup of the parking and mobility division is the administration's solution.
But what exactly is the problem?
According to the report, customer service center is experiencing backlogs, delays, and gaps.
But these are symptoms of the problem, of the real problem.
What is the real problem?
The real problem is that citation issuance has doubled over the last three years while our customer service staffing levels are at historic lows.
That's a math problem, not a management problem.
More citations means more revenue, but also exponentially more work, payment transactions, disputes, refunds, phone calls, emails.
My team was asked repeatedly to do more with less.
December 2024, restore parking enforcement for revenue, we delivered.
Spring 2025, enhance parking enforcement for revenue and services.
We delivered.
When staffing dropped to only two public service representatives, we were told carry the load for 11 months and we delivered.
Extend customer lobby hours without additional staff, we delivered.
Implement the speed safety camera program without additional staff.
We delivered.
And the administration's response: invest one point two million in middle management rather than frontline capacity.
I'm speaking today to create a record.
My team did extraordinary work under extraordinary pressure, and the administration's response was to organize to reorganize instead of investing in the people who are doing the work.
That's what I wanted you to know.
Thank you.
Good afternoon, Shalazini within parking mobility management.
I would like to take a moment to highlight some of the accomplishments, and that parking division has achieved given the past few years when parking mobility division took over the division from finance.
Our division's achievement is in recent years shown the dedication, professionalism, and hard work and tireless work by the front light staff.
With limited resources, even with limited resources and small team, the division continued to provide critical services to the community and carried a large workload and took the extra responsibilities.
Thank you, ma'am.
Your time is up.
Mr.
Hazard, are you wishing to speak on this item?
Gene has it.
Go to CleanOakland.com.
You know, the parking division is one department that generates dollars.
When are you going to do an audit?
You know, parking fees go up, and the public only finds out after they go to the meter and it's expires.
And now you see you got $38 versus 24 before.
So when are you going to request an audit from the auditor's office?
It requires that.
So we can see how much is coming through parking fees, whether it's from the meters or from the parking lots.
So stop being negligent.
We know the city's in fiscal crisis and ask for an audit so we'll know how much is being taken in.
Thank you, Mr.
Hazard.
Your time is uh moving to the Zoom speaker, Blair Beekman.
Please unmute yourself and begin your comments.
Mr.
Beekman.
Yes, hi, Blair Beekman.
Thank you for this item.
I wish I understood it better.
I have not.
And um that is my fault.
That's my problem.
Um I can I can explain where this item was at months and months ago, and I hope uh we progressed to move forward, and that the item can be stained uh within transportation, and um good luck in such a process.
Uh, I've been around Oakland enough to know that uh as you've been trying to move the the parking issues to finance, that's kind of a regular practice in Oakland to make those kind of moves and ships uh of departments into uh strange other departments.
But um, I mean I uh there's a certain logic there, and I just hope that the Department of Transportation can still be uh we can still be a respected source, and um it's with that said, uh good luck on on.
Thank you, Mr.
Beekman.
All names were called.
That was the last speaker.
Thank you for that.
There's no comments from the council members, held an attendance motion.
So moved.
Second.
On the motion by Councilmember Brown, second by Councilmember Unger to receive and file this report.
Councilmember Brown.
Aye.
Councilmember five.
All right.
Councilmember Gayo.
Councilmember Houston.
This is Council Member Houston in the back.
Is excuse Councilmember Ramachandran.
Councilmember Unger.
Aye.
Councilmember Wong.
Aye.
Chair Jenkins.
Aye.
Motion passes with a vote of seven ayes, one excuse Houston.
We've already dismissed with item five point two.
Going to item 5.3.
Adopt a resolution awarding grants to 21 community-based organizations for community violence intervention services set forth in tables one and two for the period of October 1, 2026 to September 30th, 2029, in a total amount not to exceed 38 million, 100,000 and authorizing the city administrators to negotiate and enter into grant agreements with the name grantees with authority to extend the terms of the grant and modify the grant amounts as set forth.
You have 58 speakers on this item.
Okay, mercy.
How much time do you need?
Okay.
Director, how much time do you need?
About 15 minutes, please.
Okay.
Thank you.
I'm ready for the slides.
Good evening.
The Department of Violence Prevention is here this evening to present our recommendations for community grants for 26-29.
As I stated at the beginning of the public safety committee meeting last night, I understand the advocacy in the building this evening.
I've been in the agency director's shoes working to keep the doors open and services flowing in an Oakland-based nonprofit.
It is not an easy job.
It is important to put tonight's presentation and our conversation within the context of the funding landscape that we are all facing as community violence intervention practitioners.
The field of community violence intervention work, despite a growing body of research that speaks to the efficacy of our work, is underfunded.
We know what is happening at the federal level with the closure of the White House Office of Gun Violence Prevention and large cuts to CBI grants across the country that have impacted us here in Oakland.
CBI is underfunded by the state, and in Oakland, our total investment in CBI is approximately 22 million dollars to include five million dollars from the general purpose fund and the measure NN dollars that we are here to discuss this evening.
Considering these realities, the resources we have available to us to allocate to the CBOs through this process clearly do not adequately address all needs, and yet we are tasked with the challenge of running a competitive bidding process and reviewing rating and selecting the agencies most aligned with the city's current approach to community violence.
Questions have been raised about the RFP process, and our presentation this evening will answer some of those, and of course, we're prepared to engage with council's questions as we move through this evening.
The grant period that we are recommending is October 1st, 2026 to September 30th, 2029, in an annual amount of 12.7 million and a total amount of 38.1 million dollars.
Just a bit about measure N, it passed in November 2024, and of course was a replacement for Measure Z.
And just as a reminder for the council, although the voters did agree to a tax increase for measure N, that tax increase did not translate into additional funds being being delivered out the door to community-based organizations.
Because in past years, the city of Oakland had additional funding coming from the general purpose fund.
We were in a different financial situation during those years, and so there was actually more money allocated out the door to community-based organizations than we have in this current uh measure NN allocation.
Measure N is a continuation of a public safety investment that the residents have been making in the city for 20 years.
It is not new dollars per se.
And of course, with this current iteration of the public safety legislation, it allocates approximately 40% of the annual revenue to violence prevention services, and 75% of that funding must be allocated to the community-based organizations.
So for this upcoming fiscal year that begins July 1, Bradley Johnson has estimated that about 16.9 million dollars have come in, and 12.7 million of that, which represents the 75%, should be allocated to community-based organizations, 4.2 to be kept by the DVP to administrator the grants and to fund lifeline services.
So just a bit about the spending plan that informed the RFP process.
Measure NN legislation requires each department covered by the legislation to develop three-year spending plans.
The questions that have been raised about the N Oversight Commission's legislative duties to oversee and direct the DVP have been answered.
We have discussed at length with the city attorney and addressed with the Oversight Commission.
They are clear about their responsibilities and the boundaries of their authority, and we are as well.
We have built a good working relationship with that body, and we were here supporting their presentation of the four-year public safety strategy along with police and fire a few weeks ago.
To be clear, the NN legislation gives that commission the responsibility of ensuring that the DVP, FIRE, and OPD are spending NN dollars according to the activities listed in the measure, but does not give the commission the authority to create our spending plan or make contract decisions about which agencies receive awards.
Per the NN legislation, the DVP was required to present that spending plan to the NN Commission within four months of them being seated.
We did just that.
In fact, we developed the spending plan and presented it to both the SSOC, which was the previous body, and the current commission.
It was well received by both bodies and, in turn, informed both the NN Commission's four-year strategic plan and the RFP that we are here to discuss today.
In addition to the civilian oversight duties that do belong to the NN Commission, all DVP planning strategies and implementation activities are aligned with the mayor's public safety strategies and created with the oversight of the city administrator's office.
For our spending plan, it focuses services on individuals who are at the highest risk of gun violence or gender-based violence in Oakland.
You can see some of the eligibility criteria here for gun violence.
This addresses some council members' questions about us making sure that we are able to serve tier one highest-risk individuals in this city.
And so the eligibility criteria asks these important questions, which is connected to the individuals' connection to street cruiser groups, whether or not they themselves have been intentionally shot, stabbed or shot at, their connection to the criminal justice system, and then whether or not they've had a close friend or family member shot or arrested for a shooting in the past six months.
And this eligibility criteria was created in collaboration with our consultants at the California Partnership for Safe Communities to be in alignment with our ability to serve those at the highest risk.
With that explanation of NN and the spending plan process, I'm gonna turn it over to Jenny Lynchie, the deputy chief of the department to discuss the request for proposal process.
Thank you.
Good evening, Council members.
Jenny Lynchy, Deputy Chief of the Department of Violence Prevention.
To award Measure NN funding to community-based organizations as required by the legislation, we conducted a competitive request for proposals or RFP process following the city's standard RFP process developed by the citywide contracts team, which is applicable to all city departments.
It's important to note that there are two parts to any RFP process.
The first part is a technical review of application elements by the citywide contracts team.
After applications pass that initial screening process, they are forwarded to departments for a thorough review of the grant content and scoring.
So with that framing in mind, the DVP released an RFP for community violence intervention services funded by Measure NN in December of 2025 with a closing date in February of 2026.
When the citywide contracts team completed their initial review of the applications that were submitted to that RFP, only 27 of the 41 agencies that attempted to submit applications would have been forwarded to the DVP for further review because they met the initial technical requirements.
That is a 34% failure rate.
The Department of Violence Prevention felt that that failure rate was unacceptable.
It was clear that the instructions regarding submission, the technical submission steps, were not clear enough.
So we convened with the citywide contracts team and the city administrators' office.
We were told that our only options were to accept the 34% failure rate or to cancel the RFP entirely and issue a new one, which, although it is rare that an RFP is canceled, it is fully within the discretion of the city to cancel an RFP at any time for any reason.
We elected to issue a new RFP, which was released on March 13th and closed on April 1st.
This was a three-week period because the sole intention of the second RFP was to allow the agencies that prepared applications to the first RFP to correctly submit them.
There were absolutely no changes to the services being requested or to the required application components.
There were simply more instructions about how to submit properly in iSupplier.
The DVP received from the citywide contracts team following their initial review of the application elements 40 responsive applications.
That was a 9% failure rate.
So there were 44 agencies that attempted to submit applications and 40 passed the initial screening and were forwarded to the DVP for review.
It's worth noting that all of the agencies that passed the initial screening the first time and would have been forwarded to the DVP for review did so the second time as well, and their applications were read and scored with the exception of one agency, and that is the LGBTQ center.
Once the DVP received those 40 applications, we conducted a review using three reviewers for every application, two internal reviewers, the DVP, one direct service staff member, one grants or program staff member, and then one external staff member.
It's also worth noting that the city does not require departments to use any external scorers, but the DVP elected to do so out of one of the reviewers.
All applications were reviewed and scored out of a maximum of 205 points.
And another thing worth noting is that the all reviewers were required to sign a conflict of interest form, attesting that they have not received income or gifts from any of the agencies that they were reading and scoring applications for within the past year, that they do not have ownership interests or direct investments with those agencies, and that they are not currently an employee or a board member.
And all of those things apply not to just to them but to their immediate family members as well.
As Chief Joshi mentioned, we are advocating for funding for a three-year period, October 1st, 2026 to September 30th, 2029.
At the public safety committee, last week, the recommendation was made to shorten that length to two years.
We are still advocating for a three-year period for a few reasons.
The first is service stability for participants.
It can be very disruptive to be changing the agencies that are delivering services every two years, especially since some of the services themselves last at least a year.
Having consistent funding over three years can be very impactful.
From evaluation purposes, it's much easier to evaluate services that are rendered by the same agencies over a longer period of time.
The three-year funding period also aligns with the three-year spending plan that we were required to complete as part of Measure NN legislation.
The total funding over a three-year time period would be $3.1 million, $12.7 million per year, with $22,875,000 going to gun violence services, $15,225,000 going to gender-based violence services, and we are awarding funding to the same number of agencies that we currently fund, which is 21, which it also should be noted that our prior city administrator was strongly advocating for us to reduce that number, but we are keeping it consistent at 21.
We are keeping funding for gun violence services relatively consistent.
We currently fund those services at 7.5 million dollars per year.
We're looking at a slight increase to $7,625,000 per year.
We conceptualize our gun violence services into core services, which result in the identification and initial engagement with individuals who are at highest risk for gun violence.
Those services are violence interruption, hospital-based intervention, life coaching, and youth diversion.
And then we have our support services, which are primarily available to individuals who are engaged through the core services based on their unique needs.
So we have emergency housing relocation, we have housing, we have employment, we have healing services, and we have family and victim services.
But it is critical that the Department of Violence Prevention fund specific versions of these services that are tailored to the unique needs and constraints of individuals who are at highest risk for gun violence.
So individuals at highest risk for gun violence face unique circumstances that make them not able to access traditional services.
For instance, they cannot move freely throughout the city and access offices and service locations wherever they are, so services need to be mobile and move to them.
Another example is that they cannot be in group services with other individuals who they may be in conflict with.
So any group level services have to go through a deconfliction process to make sure that people in conflict with them are not together.
A final example is for both housing and employment.
Oftentimes it makes the most sense for those services to be accessed outside of Oakland because of the unique safety concerns facing this population.
For our core services, we're looking at investing $4,550,000 annually, which would fund 24 direct service staff, full-time direct service staff, and 288 individuals.
This is actually probably closer to 200 unique individuals because we anticipate that many of the individuals served by hospital-based intervention will then be referred into life coaching.
Apologies, don't want to interrupt, just let you know you have one minute left.
Thank you.
Is there any way I can get any?
No.
Okay.
Um, okay.
Maybe I'll just skip very quickly then to our performance management work.
So based on concerns raised by members of this body, we are strongly emphasizing performance management as part of this process.
We will have service deliverables articulated in scopes of work in contracts.
Um agencies are held to those deliverables.
If they are falling short, we respond with coaching and technical support.
But if they continue to fall short, we do have the ability to withhold funding based on that, and ultimately, if necessary, we have the ability to end contracts early and reallocate money.
We are also administering now participant surveys, which are new to come to receive feedback from individuals who are receiving the services on the quality of the services and the impact of the services rendered.
We will be performing annual program site visits and fiscal audits to ensure that we are being good stewards of public funds, and that is unfortunately in response to prior experiences where funds were not used appropriately.
And then lastly, we will participate and support any impact evaluations that are commissioned by the Measure N commission, which um is required by the legislation.
Thank you, and we're happy to entertain questions.
Thank you.
We're gonna go straight to public comments.
Thank you.
As I call your name, please approach the podium in any order.
Um state your name for the record.
If you have time seated, please state that as well ahead of you speaking.
Um I will call those who are um here in chambers first, followed by those who are participating online.
If you're participating online, we ask that you raise your hand so we can identify easily identify you.
And if you are participating in a group, make sure the entire group is um with you as you approach the podium again.
Please state your name for the record.
I have quite a few speakers, so bear with me as I read these names and apologies in advance if I mispronounce.
Um McNeil, Richard, Raymond Earl Langford, and Leah Village, Jean Hazard, Miss Isada Olabala, uh Kelsa Sneed, Nicole, Pettiway, Feeney Johnson, Denise Itwa, uhende, Jonathan Jones, uh Kay Shabaz, Jennifer Lake Letty, James Delgado, Jonathan Broomfield, Kevin Phillip Phillips, Neiman Kane, uh, Lizer uh Cavara, Martin Hortado, Harris Kane, Millie Cleveland, uh Lee Jones Loggins, Brenda Inshama, Gabriel Garcia, Cindy Rejos, Sarah Kane, Nufina, Yasmin Hassim, Kay Tom, Kalia Thomas, Annx, Christino Lamas, Kelly Dillon, Jante Gambo, Killens Martin, Terrence Washington, DeLeo Neal, Daryl Alums, Caesar Johnson, Desmond uh Desmia Evans, Dwight Hasklin, excuse me, Carlton Crossley, Sarah Nazel, Rick Forteberry, Lynette Higara, Andrew Dayus, Tanya, Carvelda, John Jones the Third, Figny Johnson, Tim Davis, Sierra Sai, Bex, Baleba, and then there is a group of eight.
Uh Dr.
V, Uchi, Louie, Almez, Yogo, Desmond Terra T me, Desmond Iman, Foto Nezim, Jennifer Anyeta, Tanya Givens in that group of eight.
When you guys do approach the podium, we ask that you will get a total of eight minutes at once.
So make sure you guys are all together.
So if I called your name in any order, please approach the podium.
Again, please state your name for the record.
And if you have time seated, please state that at the beginning.
In any order, please.
We approach the podium again.
I have time seated by Lee John Loggins.
Okay.
Good afternoon, each and every one of you.
I am here, Brenda Grisham.
And first of all, I want to thank the Department of Violence Prevention because I found out recently that I was in your book and you guys thanked me for my input as the chair of the VPC.
My daughter is from here.
My daughter left her school where she was going to get a degree to be a doctor to come and work in violence prevention here in the city of Oakland.
So violence prevention is very important to me.
Violence prevention is the basis for why I do the work that I do to make sure that other families don't go through the same thing that I went through with the loss of my son.
The holistic change that we're trying to make is not a balance.
We have to do both.
So where is the balance?
The balance is in the CBOs that actually have boots on the ground.
And I say this each and every time because I don't get funded by none of y'all.
And I don't want to because I'm going to be able to move how I want to move.
But if I need to call somebody, I could call Daryl Allams.
I could call Andrew Park.
I could call Youth Alive because my daughter works for Youth Alive.
And these are the people that are not getting funded.
I could get calls at three o'clock in the morning and I could call somebody and say, I got a girl right here that wants to go home and I could call my friends and we put money together and put them on planes.
We put them on trains.
Is that a part of what they're talking about in the spending plan?
Because I have never ever been able to call DVP and get help for anybody.
So if we're gonna help people, we got to help everybody because this city, we've had murders, what, almost every day?
Almost every day.
Who's on first with those killers?
Who's on first with them?
Because if somebody's losing their, it's a summer, everybody knows in the summer, crimes go up.
Fund these people.
Thank you for your comments.
Brenda, next speaker.
My name is Gerald Allen.
Um Caesar Johnson is Caesar's size to me.
He's right here.
Um I've lost family members, I've lost cousins, uncles, and I have lost a son.
And I'm standing here today on speaking because I'm from a foreign country called Deep East Oakland.
And in those recommendations, there are no East Oakland organizations being funded.
In the recommendations, they're cutting this the CBRs from almost 28 to 6 to 8 CVIs in the streets.
If you take 20 officers from the police department, if you take 20 firemen from the police from the fire department, then you're gonna have some trouble.
That's the same thing with the CVRs.
Now I don't know if you guys are parents.
I don't know if you guys have lost loved ones in these streets, but it's it's not a it's it's not a good feeling, right?
And then this ecosystem that we have helped build for the last five, six years.
So I'm a founder of the Department of Arms Prevention.
I sit here many nights to fight for that to pass through for two years.
I was in this building, right?
And I'm standing here today to say that I already know that y'all probably gonna pass this, but what I'm asking the city council members to do is to find additional fundings for these other CBOs.
And so these CVIs will not be cut on September the 30th.
I'm asking you to find the money.
Now, if it was nine million dollars, just donated to the city of Oakland for trash, don't tell me my people ain't better than trash.
Don't tell me East Oakland ain't better than travel.
Just like Ken Houston just said, I'm from this club, and I'm real about this.
I'm not getting funded from DVP, Barbara Gatina, do this work out here in these streets.
A license to operate in my neighborhood because the community has said so.
The community has vote you into these seats.
It's your responsibility, not relationships on who your partner is, who your friend is, but who does this work in the community?
So I'm just like, I'm not sure.
Thank you so much.
Your time is up.
Next speaker, please.
My name is Cesar Johnson.
I was just seated uh time for Mama Sada.
Uh I just got a couple questions.
I'm sorry, who who said from Mama Sada?
I just got seated a minute.
Yes, I'm a side.
Um I got a couple questions for uh the people over at the DVP.
Uh y'all, we going from 20 life coaches, violence interrupters, right, down to six.
But usually the teams is ran by like six people in an organization's high work.
What you gonna do with with that many interruptors with a city with 400,000 people, it's just like when Libby Shaft cut the shots butter off for them two weeks back in the day.
The city went crazy, cut it back on.
She said crime was down, and it was more bullshit.
Like, this summer, how many lives are we gonna have to lose?
Like, I'm not saying you gotta give up the money, but the money gotta come from somewhere.
You know, we've been here, we've been there, we've been there.
We like this shit gotta stop.
It gotta stop, and and it's really not about how you feel because people's lives, these kids are losing lives.
The feelings is out the way.
It's like we gotta put preventive measures in place and policies and funding in ways to be effective.
This is not being effective.
Nobody cares about how you feel.
I've heard these mothers cry and how they holler when they lose their kids.
It's not okay.
I lost three generations out of my house.
It's gonna be worse than this if you don't put the money out so they can fund and wrap around these.
I apologize.
People don't have cultural competency.
I mean, we can go over in minutes.
I know I'm just saying you sees her.
Yes, I seated um your time.
She just seated me a minute.
Okay, okay.
Okay, you can't see it.
Okay, thank you so much.
Your time.
We can still hear it say all day.
We can keep talking.
I could just keep talking, and y'all can pull me out of here, but it's serious though.
Thank you.
Because these kids is dying, though.
We have to take the next speaker.
Thank you so much for your time.
I mean, Bobby said, motherfuckers, right?
You know what I'm saying?
How these people that's not on the brain, I never seen many people in the hook.
They might be here when we outside.
Right up, straight up.
I took 13 bullets behind this shit from all the police officers.
You can't tell me nothing about the back of the order in the chamber.
Order in the church.
Yeah, I don't want to hear what you're talking about order in the chamber.
That's your that's your that's your second warning.
Come on, wait a minute, I'm not telling you.
So, please proceed.
Please proceed.
Fiani Johnson, founder of the RMNA Ross Foundation.
I'm here today because I believe any conversation about measure in violence prevention, public safety must include the people who built this work.
East Oakland's violence prevention movement was not created in a boardroom.
It was built by violence interrupters, credible messengers, community healers, survivors, grieving parents, and community organizations that showed up long before this work was popular long before funding existed.
Many of these individuals put their lives on the line to help make East Oakland safer.
They walked into conflicts when others walked away.
They answer calls in the middle of the night, they build trust where trust did not exist.
So if we're having a conversation about the future of violence prevention, those individuals should be an after, shouldn't be an afterthought.
They should be at the table.
Nothing about violence prevention should be decided without the people who have spent years doing the prevention.
As someone who works with people returning home from incarceration, I know many of these preventionists personally.
They are people who transform their own lives to choose and dedicate themselves to help.
I apologize, Fanny.
Your time is up.
Thank you so much.
Your time has ended.
We need to go to the next speaker to allow everybody their time to speak.
Thank you so much.
Next speaker, please.
Hey, my name is John T.
Gamble.
I'm representing boss.
Um I'm a violent interrupter.
Um before I was a violent interruptor, I was in the streets.
So I did a lot of things I wasn't supposed to do, but I'm reformed now.
So I got shot, right?
Not only did I get shot, I lost a child to uh gun violence.
So who better to do this work besides people that actually come from the trenches?
You know what I mean?
It's a lot of other organizations that wasn't counted in here that should be here because we are actually in the field late night, daytime.
We do this work, and I mean we do funerals when the y'all got to understand when they're picking up their bodies.
We there with the family.
You know what I mean?
In the time of crisis, you know what I mean?
When ain't nobody else there.
You don't understand how giving somebody a bottle of water when their child just passed is will help.
You know what I mean?
So I ain't here to beg, I ain't here to borrow.
But if you cut off an octopus, there's arms, you just left with some puss.
That's my thing.
I like y'all.
Thank you for your comments.
Next speaker, please.
How y'all doing?
Um, I'm Dwight Haskling.
Um, I'm a VI for boss.
Um, I'm also born and raised in East Oakland.
Um, I just became a VI uh last year in October, but before that, I was actually a peer of my community.
Um, and I just love doing what I do.
Um, not disrespecting our our our, I'm not even finna talk about the other organizations, but I feel like boss is very important in this field um in this community of uh East Oakland because uh we we really in the streets.
You know, we're not just at work on the computers like we're really in the streets.
We're talking to these youths, we talking to young young killers out here, you know what I'm saying, to make them know that it's a better way.
Uh well, like my man just said, we we out here like we see the funerals, we go to the funerals, we go to the wakes, we doing all this.
Not saying the DVP don't, but it's other organizations that actually care about this city as well.
And I'm a part of boss.
Thank you so much for your comments.
Next speaker.
My name is Jon DeBronfield, uh safe passengers.
Um, from Deep East Oakland to West Oakland.
Uh, we've been able to use DVP to actually serve our youth night, day, weekends, all year round.
Um, we just ask that one, we honor the RP process for sure, but we just ask that no interruption or uh decrease of services happen because we actually decrease violence in the town through this initiative.
We've been doing it for years.
Um, just being somebody who's grown up in the town from East Oakland, um, we've done this countless years in a row.
So we're not begging for money, we're just trying to make sure it doesn't get disrupted.
Thank you.
Thank you for your comments.
Hello, good afternoon, Council members.
My name is Kyria Shabazz.
I'm with Roots Community Health.
The data is clear in Alameda County.
Gun violence has killed an average of three people and injured 12 every week with East Oakland neighborhoods bearing the highest burden.
We've also seen that community-based interventions work.
Oakland has reduced shootings and homicides by over 30% in recent years through these investments.
But right now, no East Oakland CVI organization has its contract renewed, putting one of the highest need areas at risk and losing critical violence prevention capacity.
If we disrupt what's working, we risk reversing progress.
We urge you to align funding with the data and invest where the need is greatest.
We also respectfully urge you to pause and condition these contract decisions that require greater transparency and equity, specifically a clear funding map, full RFP scoring and audit details in a geographic equity service gap analysis.
Thank you.
Thank you for your comments.
Next speaker.
Good evening.
My name is James Delgado with Safe Passages.
Um, we honor the RFP process.
Um any disruptions within the process could increase violence in Oakland.
Um DVP has been uh very detrimental to us and the youth that we serve throughout the Beast Oakland, East Oakland, and West Oakland.
Thank you.
Thank you for your comments.
Hey, how are you guys doing?
My name is Nimrod Kahn.
Life Coach with Safe Passages from East Oakland, born and raised fifth generation, 1997.
I was a victim of violent crime.
I lost my kidney in the neighborhood that I'm from.
So I grew up going to a lot of programs, and I just want to say we honor the process.
I know uh culturally relevant programs, some of them who uh you know work with with um BVP, you know, those kind of things save people.
I went to all types of programs, got a with safe passages as a kid, and I came up through the pipeline, they helped me get through college.
They got me a salary, uh, you know, they got my mind right because you know I could have did A, B, and C, but instead I'm not, so thank y'all.
Thank you for your comments.
Next speaker, please.
My name is Hadis Kahn from Safe Passages.
I just want to say that we want to honor the RFP process because any disruption to the process will increase violence, and I want to emphasize the impact that we've had in reducing violence through DVP.
Thank you for allowing us to serve our community.
Thank you for your comments.
Next speaker.
My name is Millie Cleveland and with Coalition for Police Accountability.
I want to raise that I think the council is being fiscally irresponsible.
People are searching for money when you know OPD's overtime is the main contributor towards the budget.
I gave the example last time of Tim Nolan making 490,000 in overtime that would have paid for three violence interrupters to this day.
OPD overtime has not been agendized on anybody's counsel or anybody's committee.
Thank you for your comments.
Sierra Nazel ceding my time to Andrea Diaz.
Andrea Diaz, I am here with Missy.
We are one of the organizations that is being funded.
Um and we would like y'all to consider moving forward.
We are excited to be back in community with the city of Oakland.
We have been doing this work for over 20 years.
Um, and over the past few years, it has not been putting through the city yet.
We have continued to serve the city as well as the rest of Alameda County.
Our work includes housing, um, providing basic needs such as service such as food, um, respite, um, hygiene kits, as well as coaching and case management for young people in Oakland and throughout Alameda County.
We primarily focus on youth impacted by commercial sexual exploitation, those that are at risk currently being exploited, as well as those that have left and need ongoing support.
Our work has also expanded working with Oakland Unified School District for prevention services, including leading 13 cohorts of prevention workshops across Oakland Unified School District.
Um, our work, I think is important as we know that exploitation and trafficking spans across all of Oakland, and youth deserve to have services that center them that really are culturally responsive and are not just broader parts of gender-based violence and gun violence because the youth we serve are impacted by all these things, yet they are not often served throughout all these services and are often excluded from these services and not seen as victims, but rather blamed and seen as responsible for what is happening to them.
Um, so we can appreciate and really I would like for y'all to consider moving this forward.
We think our work is important, and it hasn't been highlighted and present in Oakland's budget thus far.
Thank you for your comments.
Next speaker.
Hi, good afternoon or good evening.
My name is Lynette.
I'm a youth engagement specialist at Missy.
We serve girls, gender, and expansive youth ages 12 to 24 who are impacted or at risk of sexual exploitation as well as violence.
Right now, I am working with a young person who survived being shot multiple times by her exploiter.
She's currently in a safe place.
However, the trauma did not end when the shooting stopped.
She lives with physical and emotional impact of that violence, which affects her safety, trust, and ability to move forward.
She's constantly living in fear.
This is just one of the countless stories from the people that I work with.
Funding makes it possible to provide housing and housing assistance, transformation coaching, and long-term stability stabilization stabilization services for the vulnerable youth.
Community-based organizations like Missy are addressing violence before it happens and helping young people build stable futures.
In my experience, I have seen them move from crisis to stability.
I apologize, Lynette.
Your time is up.
Thank you.
Hello, my name is Analia Velagra, and I am with Bay Area Legal Aid.
We are grateful to the DVP for supporting legal services for low-income survivors.
We are proud to be a part of the Oakland community and to have been providing these services in Oakland for decades.
Bay Legal works with DV survivors who need help with restraining orders and child custody to escape abuse.
And through our uniquely holistic legal services, we also work with clients to address legal issues, including housing, public benefits, immigration relief, and re-entry services, such as getting arrests sealed and convictions expunged when survivors are wrongly arrested for defending themselves.
Access to civil legal aid significantly reduces incidents of domestic violence and homelessness.
This work saves lives.
Our thanks to the city and the DVP for recognizing the importance of legal services for survivors.
The need is much greater than the funds available can support, and it is our hope that the city council can identify additional funding to expand the available availability of these critical legal services.
Thank you so much for your comments.
Next speaker.
Hi, my name is Cindy Rios.
I'm the director of programs at the Dream Youth Clinic.
I am born and raised in Oakland, just a few blocks away from commercial sexual exploitation that occurs on international and where Dream Now holds its mobile clinic.
First, I want to thank the council for investing in community-based solutions to address the violence impacting our neighborhoods.
We recognize and honor the competitive process that was established to allocate these funds.
Many organizations like ours dedicated significant time and effort developing comprehensive proposals to address critical community needs.
We also acknowledge the frontline evaluators, uh review committees, and city staff who work diligently to ensure thoughtful selection process.
The funding awarded through this process will allow us to expand healing-centered intervention services for youth experiencing gender-based violence, sexual trafficking, and exploitation.
We respect the work being done by all organizations committed to violence intervention intervention across the city, and we believe it's important to uphold the integrity of the process that was established and carried out for these awards.
We look forward to partnering with fellow community organizations.
Thank you so much for your comments.
Hello, my name is Nafea Hassan, and I am the reproductive justice programs coordinator at Dream Youth Clinic.
I was raised by a single mother throughout Oakland, and today I have the privilege of supporting and advocating for young people across our community.
At Dream Youth Clinic, I lead programs focused on preventing and intervening in gender-based violence, including human trafficking, where we serve unhoused youth, foster youth, LGBTQ plus youth, and young people who are experiencing some of the most significant barriers to safety and stability.
Last year, our youth led a survey collected responses from over 230 young people in Oakland.
What we heard was clear.
Young people are experiencing violence, exploitation, housing instability, mental health challenges, and a lack of access to trusted adult and supportive spaces.
Many reported witnessing and experiencing unhealthy relationships, community violence, and situations that put them at risk for trafficking and exploitation.
These aren't just statistics.
These are realities of our young people that they are navigating every day.
Through our mobile clinic, we provide direct services to youth in areas where exploitation is prevalent.
We bring health care.
I apologize enough.
Okay.
Uh Sarah Kane is still in the Sarah Kane.
Okay.
One more minute.
Thank you.
Thank you.
Many reported witnessing and experiencing unhealthy relationships.
Or, well, here we go.
Through our mobile clinic, we provide direct services to youth in areas where exploitation and trafficking is prevalent.
We bring health care, STI testing, harm reduction supplies, referrals, and support directly to young people who might never walk into a traditional clinic.
At Dream, we have created a safe haven where youth can access free medical care, therapy, showers, laundry facilities, mills, and caring adults who are committed to their success.
Our health advocates help youth access housing, education, employment opportunities, and other critical resources.
We also invest in youth leadership.
The young people in our programs are learning how to advocate for themselves and engage in policy work and speak in civil spaces like this one today.
They are becoming leaders, organizers, and change makers in Oakland.
When you invest in Dream Youth Clinic, you are investing in prevention.
You are investing in intervention, you are investing in healing, and most importantly, you are investing in the young people before they become another statistic.
I urge you to continue funding organizations like Dream Youth Clinic that are doing the work.
Thank you for your comments.
Next speaker.
Anne Jenks.
So police overtime.
That's one aspect.
But the greater aspect is the absolute lack in curiosity and unwillingness to do any oversight on your largest budget items, like the OPD budget.
You won't look at civilianization of staff, although you will take a staff person from oversight and give it to OPD and call that civilianization.
There's 50 positions you could civilianize tomorrow.
Put more officers on the street and save money.
There's overtime, but generally you're just incurious and uninterested in doing oversight on your big issues while you leave folks scrambling over the scraps and the pennies.
You know, OPD uh stated what how they were going to use the NN money.
It's supposed to be 50% for sworn officers and 10% for non-sworn.
It's very clear that the majority of the money is for sworn officers and just well under 10% for unsworn.
And you thank you for your comments.
Good evening, Kelsey Sneed from the mentoring center.
Mentoring center has served youth and young adults for 35 years and specifically have been has been doing intense violence prevention work with the city of Oakland for over two decades.
The public procurement process in which the Department of Violence Prevention engaged remains opaque and fraught with inconsistencies, unclear procedures, unprecedented recall of the first RFP, no clear appeals process, among many other problems.
Therefore, I'm asking the city council not to adopt the recommendations as put forward and to find the additional funding to support the organizations that continue to do the work.
Oaklanders, including Oakland voters who are supporting a $30 million investment, deserve a process that is transparent, fair, equitable at every stage, and that has been effective and reflective of the organizations that have been doing the work for years.
The council's justified concerns about disruption and critical services can be addressed by extending the current contracts with organizations who have been.
I apologize, Miss Sneed.
Your time is ended.
Thank you so much.
Next speaker, please.
Hi, my name is Sierra C and I see my time to Jennifer.
Hi, my name is Bex Beloba.
I work for Missy, and I also cede our time to our ED Jennifer.
And I'm sorry, your name was what?
My name is Bex Beloba.
I work for Missy.
Hello, my name is Jennifer Lyle, and I'm the executive director of Missy.
And for nearly 20 years, we have served Oakland youth impacted by violence, exploitation, and trafficking.
We are survivor experiencer organization, meaning we are representative of the people that we serve.
We are based in East Oakland and we serve the entire Oakland community.
Last year alone, we served more than 730 young people through housing and housing assistance, emergency support, food, school-based support, transformation coaching, and our drop-in center.
I want to thank the Department of Violence Prevention and acknowledge the many community organizations doing this critical work.
I also want to address a concern raised earlier regarding three-year grants.
Multi-year grants are not unusual.
The federal government funds organizations, three, four, and even five-year grant cycles.
The state of California does the same.
Multi-year funding is a best practice because it allows organizations to retain staff, plan services, build partnerships, and focus on outcomes rather than constantly reapplying for funding.
Not every organization received funding, and difficult decisions had to be made.
The larger issue is not the process, it is that the need in Oakland exceeds the resources available.
I urge you to continue strengthening the Department of Violence Prevention and investing in the community-based solutions that are creating safety, stability, and opportunity for Oakland's young people and families.
I also encourage the council to trust the leadership and expertise of the Department of Violence Prevention.
Chief Joshi has is a respected leader in the field, not only in Oakland but nationally.
The DVP team brings deep experience, data, community relationships, and a firsthand understanding of what it takes to reduce violence.
None of us will agree with every funding decision.
That's the nature of a competitive process.
But if we are going to ask experts to conduct the thorough review, engage the community, evaluate proposals, and make difficult recommendations, then we should also trust their professional judgment.
Oakland has invested years in building the Department of Violence Prevention into a nationally recognized model.
We should continue to support that work, strengthen it, and give it the resources necessary to succeed.
The organizations here today are part of a larger ecosystem, working every day to make Oakland safer.
The question before us is not whether the need exists, we know it does.
The question is whether we are willing to invest at the level necessary to meet it.
Thank you for your comments.
Next speaker.
And if I may, is this um Desmond?
Is this the group of eight?
Yes.
Yes, so you will get a total of eight minutes on the clock.
So you guys need to share that time evenly.
So one your minute is up, please go to the next person.
So we have eight cards here, and if they can state their name.
Thank you so much.
Thank you.
So my name is Kiwi.
I am from District One.
Good afternoon to all.
Displacement, family separation, violence, and migrant yet, culturally representative mental health services remain difficult to access.
Too often families struggle in silence because of culture language barrier, stigma, and a lack of providing who understand their culture, their culture and experiences.
That's why is why are requesting funding for African immigrants, mental health, mental health, and community healing.
Three years African immigrant community stabilizing initiative funding four thousand four hundred and fifty thousand.
Again, four hundred and fifty thousand annually.
Should not depend on whether a community can afford mental health.
Thank you so much.
Good afternoon, good evening, Council.
My name is Desmond Jeffries.
I live in District 6.
The council budget team has identified public safety violence prevention, but public safety violence prevention, reducing homelessness, and core city services as a top priorities for the city of Oakland.
Those are our priorities too.
African immigrant families experience housing instability, violence, trauma, language barriers, and barriers accessing services.
As I even go to your city website on immigration, these are the languages I see: Arabic, Armenian, Chinese, English, Hindi, Japanese, Korean, Persian, Pujambi, Russian, Spanish, Tagalog, Vietnamese.
We don't see one African language listed.
Not Tegrina, not Maharich, not uh Swahili.
So as I move on.
When we are not yet, when we are looking for looking at the funding recommendations, we do not see a dedicated investment in the African immigrant community.
We are not asking the city to create a new priority.
We are asking the city to include our community within the priorities it has already established.
That is why we respectfully request 450,000 annually for three years to support housing stabilization, mental health services, and case management for the African immigrant immigrant families.
For years, GCA has been part of Oakland's violence prevention journey.
We supported early advocacy, community research, evaluation conversations with urban strategies and public testimony before city commissions and council.
We helped elevate the need for a stronger violence prevention system, including a dedicated department and leadership connected directly to the mayor.
We believe this work will lead to a more equitable strategy.
That is why it is deeply heartening to see 3.81.1 million in measure and violence prevention funding move forward while African immigrant communities remain largely invisible and invisible to the process.
Good evening, House.
My name is Dr.
Jeffrey Anyene.
I run a church in Oakland for the past 11 years.
Your budget includes funding for public safety, homelessness, service, temporary shelter beds, hotel vouchers, community safety programs, and violence prevention.
Those investments matter, yeah.
But there is a difference between funding a program and ensuring everyone can access it.
African immigrant families face unique barriers, including language access, immigration-related stress, cultural isolation, and challenges navigating public systems.
Without culturally responsive support, many families remain disconnected from the very services intended to help them.
We are asking, therefore, the city to recognize African immigrants as a community that deserves visibility, partnership, and investment through a three-year African immigrant community stabilization stabilization initiative funded at 450,000 annually, because equity is not just about what gets funded, it is also about who gets included.
We support case management, housing stabilization, family conflict, gender-based violence, concerns, community healing and crisis responses.
We currently manage three housing sites through master leases because public system have not met the need.
Much of this work has been subsidized by the continuity itself.
Alameda County First Five has become an important partner in supporting our families, emergency and transitional housing programs, and we are grateful, but GCEA receives no dedicated city or state funding.
We respectfully request a three-year African immigrant community stabilization initiative funded at 450,000 annually to support two case managers, an African immigrant mental health clinician, house stabilization property management called NETO, and culturally responsive healing services.
If Oakland is serious about violence prevention, African immigrants cannot remain invisible.
Thank you.
My name is Alma Zitego.
I'm also from the African Resource Center.
During the uh during the campaign, many of Oakland elected leaders committed to support the African immigrant community through housing, um, through housing, language access, public safety, mental health services, and culture responsive programs.
We appreciate that commitment.
Today we are asking for action, for action.
GCA current service no dedicated city or state funding, despite providing housing support, family stabilization, community healing, system navigation, crisis response, much more services for the at the African Resource Center and then in the African community.
No time.
We are not meaningfully invited into the community conversation, and we do not see African immigrant communities reflected in our outreach language access or funding outcomes.
We ask for your help and making sure that the African community is able to thrive, get the support they need.
They are in your district.
They are in your grocery stores.
They are in your restaurants that you go to.
They have their own businesses.
So if this is going to continue, we're gonna explore this.
Thank you.
Thank you so much.
Thank you so much, you guys, for your comments.
On to the next speakers.
I don't see 200,000 dollars.
So you may begin.
Hi, my name is Ayende.
I'm sorry, Miss Joshi and your group over here.
I heard your guys' whole program.
None of that is prevention.
That's a bunch of reactionary bullshit.
The bottom line is where are after school programs?
Why in Oakland our kids don't have anywhere to go?
There's no summer youth employment program, there's no trio programs.
That's how you prevent violence.
Is earlier you do prevention.
You don't wait till somebody becomes at risk.
You do it early.
And none of that is happening through what I just heard.
And I'm going with what I just saw.
Their department put up there.
None of that is prevention.
You have to do things for these young people.
Go into the schools.
Where is their program going into the schools?
Where is their program where they're going to families?
Like Boss does.
You don't do any of that.
What you guys do is wait and be reactionary until after the horses get out the barn.
We need a true prevention program, and Boss is the only one who's answered that call.
Thank you for your comments.
Next speaker.
Good evening, members of the council.
I'm Richard Day Howard again.
I'm from the Oakland Private Industry Council.
We just want to appear here today to thank you, and we are honored to have been a recipient for one of your awards for our employment training and workforce development program.
We're one of the few that got awarded in that regard.
And so it's an important area of intervention and prevention to have jobs for young people.
And we're excited to be able to work together with Chief Joshi and her staff to continue our cohort training, a 16-week training that has been going on under a pilot program, and we graduated 88% of the people that are in it, a 16-week program.
It's remarkably successful.
Thank you very much.
Thank you so much for your comments.
Next speaker.
Is that helping my?
Yeah, my name is uh Rick Ford and Berry.
I'm with Oakland Pig.
Um I'd like to say hello to you, to you guys.
Uh we work with uh some of the strongest worst youth that comes through Oakland and we do what we call a 16-week curriculum for Chief Josh.
We did it for the first time, and it went really well.
And we what's important is that in these cohorts, we sit around with with these young guys, and they get hope.
Most of the time we lose our hope as a man to do things in this world to make a change for our family and our community.
What these young men are here is learning not just job skills, but how to be a man, how to shake a man's hand, how to stand up and look a man in the eye, how to dress for an interview.
Those kind of things mean a lot to these young men.
And I'm just grateful for the life coaches that Chief Josh has her team.
Thank you so much for your comments.
Next speaker.
Hi, I'm Pastor Lankford, and I also want to, I have the time of Jonathan Jones.
Um, I want to start with Jonathan.
I'm sorry, is Jonathan Jones here?
Okay, thank you so much, Mr.
Lankford.
Um, I want to start by I have been a part of the violence prevention program since day one.
Um, and I say this, but I don't think a lot of people hear me.
I have buried 100 people in Oakland who have been murdered.
Pastor Lankford has, and I have helped to raise most of the money to bury them.
I have buried 19 of my own family members who have been murdered in Oakland.
I am so thankful to have met Sarah Bedford, and I'm so elated that this council has hired Chief Josie because the violence prevention work and many of the staff I have employed formerly through Healthy Oakland, but it gives me something to do.
I walk the streets of Oakland, I drive the streets of Oakland more than anybody in this chamber, and no one at the end of the end of the day wants to get the word that you've lost your mother, your father, your sister, your brother.
That is something that Oakland has been dealing with, and we're getting better at it.
And the answer is into the structure, the organization that has come forth, especially with Chief Josie, her leadership.
She's from Oakland, she's from East Oakland.
She was a former police officer.
The sister gets it, she understands.
She has hired some incredible men and women that are from Oakland who have been formally incarcerated, who live the life, who's doing what's right.
Um, the challenge is we don't have enough money, and I want to say that the Oakland Private Industry Council, yeah, we get funded, but I fund a lot of things out of my pocket and will continue to do so.
But this is a time for us not to point the fingers, but this is time for us to continue to reach out to corporations, to athletes, entertainers, and others to invest in Oakland so that we can save lives, and so that the great work of Oakland will continue to be done.
I want to thank the council for your thank you so much for your comments, Mr.
Lankford.
Your time is ended.
Next speaker.
Yes, good evening, council members.
My name is Gabriel Garcia.
I'm the policy and advocacy director for Youth Alive.
First, I want to express my gratitude and appreciation for the funding being proposed for Youth Alive so we can continue our services for victims, survivors, and interrupt cycles of violence in East West and Central Oakland.
At the same time, we recognize that there are many great organizations, programs, services that are not being included in this round of funding.
And as somebody that helps write and pass Measure N, I would again reiterate to this council that Measure N is the floor, not the ceiling on the city's ability to invest in violence prevention, intervention, and healing services throughout Oakland.
As somebody that's helps bring millions of dollars of investment from the state of California from the federal government to community-based violence and reventure programs here.
I fully support the council working with us, working with the community to do that, bring in additional investment so that the great work that's happening through many services programs in Oakland can continue.
Thank you.
Thank you so much for your comments, Mr.
Hazard.
This discussion is very interesting.
There'sue is equitable distribution of the resources.
We could give money to other cultures to come in the black community.
Some of them may hire some black folks, but they don't have uh oversight of the dollars and cents.
You give money to the law family.
They hire some black folks, but they oversee the distribution of the money.
You could give money to the Asian uh local development corporation.
They have some black folks.
You could give money to the Spanish speaking council.
But when they're gonna give equitable money to black folks who are hurting and dying, we represent 70% of the unshelter, but we only 21% in this town.
Thank you, Mr.
Hazard.
Your time is up, excuse me, Mr.
Hazard.
No, no, no, we don't need it.
If your name was called, please approach the podium.
At this time, all names have been called, and we do not have any Zoom speakers, or if you are on Zoom and your name was called, and you wish to speak, please raise your hand.
Thank you.
Thank you for everybody who came out to comment on this.
Thank you for everybody who's doing work, the city of Oakland to reduce violence.
With that, we're going to pass it to Councilmember Wall.
Thank you.
Through the chair, um, since I chaired the committee that saw this item, I just wanted to provide some uh context to the rest of the body about uh why we actually proceeded with this with an amendment uh for this to be um advanced to this full body as a two-year contract rather than uh three-year contract.
Um, and but but before I get that, I do want to thank uh DVP Dr.
Joshi for her just um amazing um work that is always on the forefront of community violence uh prevention.
Um but there we had this lengthy discussion in the committee around how there was uh an aberration that was really more around the upfront procurement process that resulted in not one but two times that uh the RFP was conducted and there was some uh there was discussion about it, and so anyways, this is how we landed on advancing it to this committee uh with an amendment of two years instead of the three years that was originally proposed.
Uh and the other thing I just wanted to mention is that there were um included in this just uh more information on how people were evaluated and what were the criteria, and so I want to thank the team for just providing um some of this additional information that sheds more light and transparency into what happened with this procurement.
Uh that being said, I have just uh a couple of actually just one question to Dr.
Joshi.
Um, just looking at the this is supplemental attachment A.
This is on the healing on gun violence strategy.
I just noted that I think one of the recipients here was rated.
Um this is the SARE group, they were rated uh a little further below, but they got the funding.
Was there a reason?
And I have to be clear, the people who rate uh ranked above them.
I have no relationship with these groups, I'm just asking out of fairness for the process.
Sure.
Absolutely.
Thank you for the question to the chair.
We in that particular instance, we chose to recommend skipping down to that entity because they specifically represent immigrant rights and have significant language access for survivors.
Okay, great.
Yes, and I was actually very happy to see the consideration for those items in the valuation criteria.
I know there were some comments in public safety committee around our re being culturally responsive, and I saw that that was evaluated, so thank you.
That made sense.
I suspected that was the reason why, but I just wanted to clarify.
For gender-based violence specifically.
Yeah, yes, okay, great.
Um, and I will I'll actually make a motion to adopt the recommendation with the amendment.
Thank you.
Councilmember Houston, and then Brown.
Mr.
Ramsey, Ms.
Ramsey.
Okay, go ahead.
Through the chair.
Um these are my folks talking.
They're from that foreign country that Darrell said is East Oakland.
And I'm gonna look at each and one of my council members, and I'm gonna ask you, the crime that is happening is not happening in your district, like mine, your district, your district president.
It's not like my people.
I have friends and family that have been murdered and have murdered, right?
And it's what's economics, it's economics.
They don't want to commit, they don't want to be in the underground economy, right?
And my question is this: if we can find money for everything else, why can't we find money for my people?
And what I mean by that is find additional monies, you know, and Mr.
Hazard said equitable, truly equitable.
Let me share this with you.
The organization that did not qualify for the technical services, right?
Just because they didn't qualify for the technical services, the people that are doing that working for them will not be able to work.
It's not their fault that organization didn't make it through the technical service.
Um, and then then it went to the scoring and review.
So my thing is I want to ask, I want to talk to every council member on here.
How are you gonna help us find some money, some additional money for these young men and women that came up here to speak that's gonna be affected because that organization didn't qualify, how we gonna do this?
I mean, if we can find the money, you heard them speaking.
You can find the money for overtime for police, you can find money for illegal dumping, you know, and that's my thing.
We could find, but but I'm saying we gotta let's let's find some money for my folks.
This is my people.
I was elected to represent district seven, and I'm going to I'm gonna I'm gonna represent like they want me to.
And I'm I'm gonna say this.
I'm serious too.
I'm serious, just like they are.
And I tell people I just look like this, I'm from a different cloth, right?
So I'm saying how and I'm obeying you and I'm not I'm threatening, I'm not pushing, I ain't bullying.
I'm saying, can you help me?
Can you help me find some money that's gonna help the individuals that's gonna be affected because the organization didn't qualify?
You heard them speak, you know.
We all human, right?
It's like, let's help them.
You heard them shot.
They didn't say, young man that came up here said he just what was his name?
Country was his country that came here last time.
Was it country?
He said he's works for Boston, he's in school, he's about to get his his degree, and he wants to come and work for you.
Let's be humane.
Come on, you guys, you I know we could do something if we can find some money for overtime on police.
They're 20 million dollars.
So I'm just saying what I'm saying is this.
What I'm saying is this.
Let's find some additional funding.
That's all I'm saying.
Mr.
Mr.
Ramsey, they ain't called order in the chambers, order in the chamber.
Okay, council member brown then Kyle.
Right.
Um, well, as council member Wong stated, um, in public safety, we uh had a very robust conversation where we really dived into the details of just the the process.
Um and I think we we all were able to determine that there were definitely some areas of opportunity.
Um, but one of the one of the biggest takeaways, of course, including all of the public speakers that came and recognizing uh some of the gaps in services um that we will see as it relates to some of the East Oakland providers, also uh the lack of a service provider specifically focused in on the LGBTQ community.
We also heard from the African resource community as well.
And so we so we heard those comments, and then also at the same time, there was kind of this awareness that was made around how in the past uh the general fund used to supplement uh some of this violence prevention work.
And so I think that to answer your question, Councilmember Houston, I think as a body, we really need to, of course, we don't want any laps in services as it relates to the strategy that uh Dr.
Joshi and the team has laid out, um, and so we want to move these current contracts forward so that we can continue the work.
But I do think that as a body, we we need to um we need to really ensure that um there's no you know gaps in service as it relates to those who are providing services in East Oakland and some of our other vulnerable communities.
And so that's why in the amendment that we made, we're moving forward with a two-year contract um instead, and a request for I just want to make sure I say this on the record, in a request for a six-month report back from the DP DVP on the impacts of funds granted and the impacts of funds not awarded to the current grantees in our current cycle, while we as a body um work to try to identify additional funds that may actually be outside of the current scope that it that we're moving forward.
Thank you, Councilmember, and then uh we're gonna was it at a second?
Okay, there's a second, and then council member guy.
Yeah, thank you, and thank you for the opportunity.
And I want to first of all thank some of the speakers that were here this evening, Youth Alive, um, restorative justice, uh the pick uh representatives from the private industry council, and uh also Missy.
I haven't seen uh Missy was extremely helpful in my district for many many years, assisting the girls that are on the street, teenagers, you know, young people.
We do a lot of talking, but what happens in our neighborhoods in East Oakland throughout the city with our young people, and I think we need to create some leadership, some support, and I'm gonna ask you the well, for it's an example, the youth employment program on 23rd and international didn't get funded.
They've been around for many years, but they have youngsters not only providing the training, the job opportunities, but also their high school degrees, and these are kids from the neighborhood that if they weren't at YEP, well, they wouldn't be in our schools.
So I for me, it's you know, the what I guess my request is how did you know what do we need to do to include programs?
Because my my understanding, some of the evaluators have no understanding what Oakland is all about or have lived in Oakland.
That's right, and understand our behavior, right?
And that's what I see a lot of people that are working in Oakland.
Well, they're commuting to Oakland.
And so for me, it's it's really important to look at the organizations that have delivered delivered a service because YEP not only are there in school learning how to build, how to construct, but they're also on the neighborhood helping me clean the neighborhood.
And these are African American youngsters, all right?
They're not white people, then people from the neighborhood.
I don't want to hear no excuses, because we are fooled, all we do is make excuses.
So, anyways, YAP, I would love to, you know, us to reconsider and find a different way to support the young people that are there writing in East Oakland.
Thank you.
So through the chair, I think there are a few questions in there from Councilmember Gaio.
The first thing I'd like to address is the fact that the competitive bidding process is a competitive bidding process.
It does not ensure that the same agencies get money for decades.
Because on the flip side of the conversation, the critiques that we often hear from community-based organizations, and that we often hear from African American-led organizations and smaller organizations, is that the city's competitive bidding process consistently favors what is called legacy organizations that have been receiving money from the city for 20 to 30 years.
So what the DVP endeavored to do at the direction of the city administrators' office is to run a true competitive bidding process in which everyone had an equal chance to get money.
In that competitive bidding process, I want to be clear.
So the very large majority of the organizations that we are requesting to be funded are run by black and Latino people who we all know in this city are disparately impacted by violence.
Black folks are murdered in this city at a higher rate than anyone else, and unfortunately, Latinos are catching up to us.
And so the investment in the organizations that we are asking to fund considers that fact.
The other thing that I'd like to say specifically about YEP, Mr.
Guile, since you brought it up, is that we absolutely honor the work that they do with at-risk kids.
They are receiving funding from the workforce development in this city and from OFCY.
They did not score the highest in the DVP's RFP process, which was specifically focused on finding a partner that could serve ceasefire lifeline clients that are the highest risk for violence.
You heard OPIC discuss the 16-week fellowship that we've designed with them.
That is for ceasefire lifeline clients, and they ranked the highest in this competitive bidding process.
Thank you.
With that, we'll call the roll.
There was a motion by Councilmember Wong, second by Councilmember Brown to approve this item with the amendments made from the public safety committee.
Councilmember Brown.
Aye.
Council Member Fife.
Councilmember Guile.
Councilmember Houston.
Councilmember Houston.
Don't tell me to have come on.
Because it's principal two here.
Councilmember Unger.
Aye.
Councilmember Wong.
Aye.
And Chair Jenkins.
I motion passes with a vote of seven ayes, one no.
Houston.
That completes your non-consent portion of this agenda.
Moving to item six, which is the consent calendar, noting that items 6.1 and 6.2 have been removed from this agenda.
Oops.
If you signed up for these items, you still would be allowed to give public comment.
Are you taking that separate or with the consent calendar?
Okay.
So you can come up for the consent calendar.
So just noting that the GAD items, item 6.1 6.1, which is the Leona Quarry GAD annual budget for fiscal year 26 to 27.
And item 6.2, the Oakland Area GAD annual budget for fiscal year 26 and 27 have been removed from this agenda and are going to the next meeting.
Reading in item 6.3 approval of the draft minutes from the meeting of June 1st and June 2nd.
Item 6.4 resolution regarding the declaration of a local emergency due to the AIDS epidemic.
Adam 6.5, a declaration of a medical emergency due to due to cannabis.
Adam 6.46, a resolution for declaration of a local emergency on homelessness.
Item 6.7 is final passage for an ordinance amending the fiscal year 25 through 26.
Master fee schedule for fiscal year 26 through 27.
Item 6.8, final passage for ordinance for measures M and C and N D, QAA and Y, and M for fiscal year 26 through 27, cost of living tax adjustment.
Item 6.9, an ordinance amending and reenacting Oakland Municipal Code Chapter 3.08.
Item 6.10, a resolution for Becker Boards Agreement Adjustments.
Item 6.11, a resolution for retirement for Nicola Desburg.
Item 6.12, a resolution for National Caribbean Heritage Month.
Item 6.13, a resolution for national homeown homeownership month.
Item 6.14, a resolution condemning the war on Iran.
Item 6.15 includes multiple pieces of legislation for a settlement for a city of Oakland versus Stephen O.
Kerner.
Item 6.16, a resolution for settlement for Raven Loke versus the City of Oakland.
Item 6.17, a resolution for Oakland Connect Fiber Network Partnership Legislation.
Item 6.18, a resolution for summarily vacating public utility easement at 747 52nd Street.
Item 5, sorry, excuse me, 6.19, a resolution for Owen Equipment Sales Inc.
Purchase Contra.
Item 6.20, a resolution from MOK Junior Way Streetscape Improvements.
Item 6.21, an ordinance for Oakland Ice Center Lease and Capital Project.
Item 6.22, an information report for the General Plan and Housing Element Annual Progress Report for Year 2025.
Item 6.23, a resolution for camps and common rental agreement.
Item 6.24, a resolution for multi-purpose senior services program.
Item 6.25, an ordinance for bike share franchise amendment.
And that was your last consent item.
You have approximately 58 speakers on this item.
Let's go to public speakers first.
As I call your name, please approach the podium.
I saw a hand raised.
You said just because you have a relics.
Oh.
I just wanted to register a no vote on the billboard item just because I don't believe it should be on consent.
I think it's something that should have been discussed in the full council.
And I also want to just express again my support for the Oakland Ice Center and everything they do for Oakland.
Thank you.
Thank you.
And yes, on the rest of the consent count.
Yes, on the rest of the consent calendar.
Councilmember Wong.
I actually wanted to pull S 6.25 off consent.
We discussed this in public works and transportation.
And you know, I remember at the time feeling like when we were looking at that map of the bike share stations that it they weren't equitably distributed around the city.
It was notable how much those bike shares were really skewed towards uh north and west Oakland and how few stations were out in East Oakland and that was confirmed by a note that was then sent in by Tanya Love.
And I I think it's worth the worth at least a discussion with this wider body.
Council member the appropriate time is item number three modifications to the agenda to pull things off of consent.
Yeah.
So no vote for 6.25.
Um council member Ungar.
I'd like to register a no vote for item 6.10.
Thank you.
Thank you.
anybody else?
Councilmember Houston.
No vote on 6.25.
I registered no vote on 6.10.
I believe the city should get 100% of the money.
All right.
With that, let's go to the public speakers.
Moving to the public speakers, as I call your name, please approach the podium in any order.
Please state your name before beginning.
Please raise your hand on Zoom if you still wish to speak.
And as with the council rules of procedure, there is no seating time on the consent calendar or open forum.
Isaac Cos Reed, Blair Beekman, I have you with multiple items.
Derek Barnes, I have you with multiple items, Kevin Dally, Mrs.
Sada Olabala, have you with multiple items?
Ayers, Renee Lilly, Mr.
Hazard, I have you with all the items on consent.
Christopher Powell, Carla Guerrera, have you with two items?
Kathy Adams, I have you with two items, Kaheri Gutiérrez, Colin Hughes, Latashia Perry, Randy Munman, Samuel Ramsey, have you with two items?
Alex Isaran.
Sorry if I said the incorrectly.
Gary Zee.
Stephanie Tran, I have you with two items.
Kathy Adams, I think that was a duplicate.
Petra Brody.
Kaheri Gutierrez, two items, Alfred Lee, two items, Jennifer Trend, the duplicate.
Peter.
Gemis.
Preston Pinkley.
Two items.
Allie Obad.
Two items.
Len, is it Candy Martinez?
Two items.
Daniel Swafford, two items, Chadwick Spell.
Ryan Nolan, two items.
Ari Curry.
Ryan Austin.
Someone from Coco Breeze.
Joe Pertita.
Amber Childress.
Hey Amber.
Bridget Kane.
Rosemand Velasco.
Sorry if I said the incorrectly.
Amelia Wilson.
Sherry Vance.
Marisa Marissa Lyons.
Nema Link.
Vanessa McGeehee.
Petra Brady, Tiffany Jordan, Chris Hellyer, Heather Siglin, Angela Hackney, Kimberly Miller, Christine Tostado, Arthur Levisy, Juan Gong Lee.
Is it Renee Johnson?
Elizabeth Wynne.
Supreme Ayahi.
Charles Johnson.
David Walker.
Mr.
Hazard, have you multiple items?
You have three minutes.
Thank you.
I don't know why you keep carrying 6.5.
Adopt a resolution renewing the city council's declaration of a local public health emergency with respect to safe affordable access to medical cannabis in the city of Oakland.
Why do you keep having this?
And you don't put a medical public health safety around fit, no?
Cannabis, if you didn't know it that you approved, it's legal.
You approved a cafe.
It's legal.
So why are you carrying this?
That's the negligence on your part.
I gave you all what I filed on Friday.
In opposition to the city's demur, a demur for those who don't know, is trying to dismiss what I filed back on May 19th, 2025 on the special election regarding measure A.
The transaction use tax.
And the city attorney altered the text on the ballot measure.
And so 366 days.
I've been dealing with this procedural crap.
But they weaponized me by filing this demur on June 1.
I was waiting for that.
Now we'll be in court on June 25.
Let me read what's here.
And how hopefully it's going to, we shall prevail.
Responded Ryan Richardson's demur should be overruled in its entirety.
The demur ignores the unusual procedural posture of this case and attempts to capitalize upon the clerical error.
Well, let me tell you what happens with the clerical error.
The clerical misclassification, despite being a writ proceeding, the clerk of the court improperly classify the matter as a general civil action and assign it to Department 23.
Should have been Department 24, not 23.
They handle rents.
Thank you, Mr.
Hazard.
Your time is up.
Kathy Adams, President of the Oakland African-American Chamber of Commerce.
To uh President Jenkins, as my time started, and uh Oakland City Council, thank you for your service, and thank you for your commitment and your time.
Becker Boards has provided enormous opportunities for our members to advertise their businesses.
The Billboard programs have brought enormous exposure to the community.
The visibility is invaluable.
We need the billboard program.
We need something that's positive for our community and our businesses.
Businesses increase customers, they grow revenue, they create jobs with the billboard.
We urge you to vote yes and know that you're making an impact.
I want to say thank you to all of our members of all the multicultural chambers.
A lot of us arrived here by 3 30, and a lot of people had to leave because of other activities.
But we urge you to support it.
Thank you.
Good afternoon, or maybe even good evening.
My name is uh Peter Gamma's president and CEO for Visit Oakland.
At Visit Oakland, our job is to tell a story to visitors, meeting planners, sports fans, investors, and future residences.
We know that perception matters and visibility matters.
If people don't see Oakland, they don't think about Oakland.
If they don't think about Oakland, they don't visit Oakland.
Last year, Oakland welcomed approximately 3.4 million visitors who generated more than 583 million in visitor spending and nearly 779 million in total economic impact, supporting over 5,500 local jobs.
Tourism is one of Oakland's most important economic engine, and it relies effectively on ways to reach people where they are.
Becker Boards helps us do exactly that.
Billboards are often the first invitation someone receives to attend an event, visit a restaurant, stay in a hotel, or simply take another look at Oakland.
The help business grow.
They help organizations communicate and they help tell us the city's story.
As someone who spends every day competing for visitors and attention in a crowded marketplace, I can tell you that visibility is not a luxury, it's a necessity.
Becker has been a strong community partner, and Visit Oakland is proud of support their continued investment in the city.
Thank you.
Good evening, Council members.
My name is Carrie Gutierrez, a D6 resident, and I'm here on behalf of the Unity Council to express our support of the Becker Boards partnership.
I have a lot of uh wonderful examples to share with you all about the impact of Becker Board's partnership to the community.
The first one that I'd like to share with you is that we've used this platform to promote our annual Dia de los Muertos Festival, which brings over a hundred thousand people from all over the Bay Area to the Frueville in Oakland.
This boosts our local economy and it preserves culture.
During these especially challenging times, this billboard has also become a critical public messaging tool.
In collaboration with our resilient Fruville partners, we shared know your rights resources, legal support, and safety planning for immigrant families.
Most recently, we also partnered with El Team Pano to make sure that the messages that we shared were also in Spanish in the native language of a lot of our immigrant communities.
I'm proud to say that we also thank you.
Your time is up.
Hi, Eric Oliver, Becker Boards.
Thank you, Council President and Council members.
Uh, like I said, my name is Eric Oliver, Director of Community Engagement for Becker Boards.
It has been my pleasure to work closely with Oakland Small Business, Nonprofit and Business Improvement District Community.
I'll keep this brief.
Since November 2024, the Becker Boards Free Community Ad Program has provided nearly $3 million.
I'll say it again, $3 million in free advertising through 582 free ads to over a hundred local small businesses, nonprofit organizations, and business improvement districts in Oakland.
Over the last week, you have seen support pour into uh from every corner of the city from only a small fraction of the people who have directly benefited from this program.
We do good work in Oakland and we are proud of it.
The decision in front of you is clear.
A vote yes is a vote for the community.
Thank you for keeping your community support and all your hard work.
Thank you.
Good afternoon, council members.
My name is Lily Ayers, and I am a business owner in D3.
And for some reason, my council member won't face me.
Moving on.
Um, so here we go.
Um, I was born at Highland Hospital.
I went to Casamont, and yesterday a meteorite hit my shop.
The sky is falling.
The sky is falling.
The sky is falling.
What does this mean?
At least that's what the people are thinking these days, right?
With everything they see in the media, all on television, right?
So, what am I here for?
For nine years, I've been in downtown Oakland helping to heal people, and I would like to tell my story about the meteor in my store.
Crystals, pyrite crystals that are landed in in my store from uh uh what is it?
Mount Shasta.
Okay, I want to tell stories like Shakari Designs.
He's is a business owner that I lift up other business owners in our city.
And yeah, I have a lot of people who are visibility matters.
People can't attend an advantage that they never hear.
All right, good evening.
Uh council members.
My name is Stephanie Tran, president of the Oakland Chinatown Chamber of Commerce.
Um, I'm here today in support of the proposed amendments to uh Becker Boards Agreement.
The Oakland Chinatown Chamber is part of a coalition that supported the creation of the Billboard program because it represented an innovative partnership between public, private, and nonprofit sectors.
It's demonstrated that we can create solutions that benefit community organizations, small businesses, and the city of Oakland at the same time.
And over the years, Becker Boards has become more than just a billboard program, it has become a valuable asset and community resource that helps promote local businesses, public awareness campaigns, and neighborhood initiatives.
And for many organizations and small businesses, this type of visibility would otherwise be financially out of reach.
And as a chamber representing hundreds of small businesses, we know how important it is for small businesses.
Um, we know how important it is to help local entrepreneurs reach customers and compete in today's uh marketplace.
And Becker Board has helped us connect residents and visitors with businesses, events, and organizations that make our city unique.
And as Oakland and the city continues, and you all have to navigate this uh fiscal challenge, we should be looking towards really opportunities to support partnerships that promote economic activity, strengthen community engagement, and contribute to the long-term success of our city.
And so for these reasons, um, the Oakland, Chinatown Chamber of Commerce respectfully urges all of you to support um the Becker Boards Agreement.
Thank you.
Uh good afternoon, good evening, Council members.
My name is Alex Isveron, and I'm a co-owner of the Oakland Fortune, one of Oakland Chinatown's oldest and longest standing businesses.
Uh next year will be our 70th year.
And as a small business owner, I can tell you that Billboard Advertising traditionally has been not accessible to small businesses like ours.
Uh, we're not a big corporation, even though we've been around for a long time.
Um, and we don't have a marketing team, so having an opportunity to work with Becker Boards and have access to something that a lot of people get to see is uh is a great opportunity for us and my family.
So uh through Becker Boards, for the first time in 70 years, we were able to uh have our have an advertisement go up and have people along the 880 and 580 see it on their way to work, and I was lucky enough to see it maybe once or twice.
Uh so um just wanted to urge the council members to uh support this and um thank you very much for your time.
Do I start now?
Wang Gong from Hong Kong that went to elementary school here in Lincoln.
But I'm here as a member of the chamber and also a member of our Chinese school in down in Oakland that's been around for 70 years.
Pandemic really killed us.
Our enrollment from a thousand kids went down to 500.
With Becker Board, let us let us expose ourselves to the general public that come down the freeway that usually don't stop in Oakland anymore because there's ranch 99, the other large box store that sells Asian goods, and put us back on the map.
There's an Asian culture in Oakland, Chinatown that you could participate, send your kids to.
So I really thank Becker Board for letting us preach to the public that drives down 880.
We, as a nonprofit, we can't afford this type of advertising.
It's been very effective for us, and our enrollment right now is up to 600 kids a day.
So thank you, Becker Board.
Thank you for chamber for supporting all of us.
Good evening, council.
Thank you so much for hearing this item.
My name is Nima Link with Becker Boards.
Uh, unfortunately, a lot of our speakers had to go.
Most of them are small business owners.
And so they had to go.
And I think, in fairness to them, I'd like to read their names.
Twenty-two speaker cards here that filled out their cards and weren't able to speak.
And we understand the reasons.
There's pressing issues that the council had to discuss.
Heather Siglin, Chris Heller, Tiffany Jordan, Vanessa McGee, Petra Brady, Ryan Austin, Joe Partita, Bridget Kane, Amelia Wilson, Rosemary Velasco, Sherry Vance, Marissa Lyons, Ryan Nolan, Ari Curry, Chadwick Spell, Daniel Swafford, Candy Martinez, Ali Obad, Preston Pinkley, Jennifer Trenn, Gary Scheer, and Angela Hackney.
I want to thank them for not they're not here, but thank them.
Every health center that was affected by this, and we understand that they'll be affected in the next few years, has sent a letter of support stating their acknowledgement and acceptance of this change.
It's unequivocally better for the city, and the city will make more money.
Thank you for support.
I urge for your yes vote.
Thank you.
So let me clarify something.
68% of the victims of homicide and the suspects are African Americans.
I don't know what the rising Latino rate is, but presently that's the number.
Asians are not gonna let black people take care of their needs.
Latinos are not gonna let black people tell them what to do.
So why do you think it's appropriate that other people like the Lau family and all these other groups?
Your unity council can take care of anything having to do with African Americans.
Item 6.8, cost of living adjustment.
What that means is you're gonna increase the amount of money people pay on all of these measures on their property taxes, and you don't take under consideration some of the challenges people are going through with mortgages, with home insurance, with foreclosures, and so forth.
Every year you just you just increase it with no consideration of the challenges for homeowners.
Item 6.9.
You're deleting something related to the ballot measures having to do with the city manager and the I'm sorry, the city attorney and the city clerk.
No discussion, you're just changing it.
6.10.
Nonprofits that benefit all the time are Asian and Latinos, very few African American nonprofits get the same attention.
That was demonstrated with this violence prevention thing you just dealt with.
6.15.
If you own property, you have uh this is a lawsuit, but you're allowing property that you bought, you're allowing the person that you bought the property from to stay on the property for 12 months.
Now that's where you're supposed to be building the fire station, and you're also extending that you can do it six more months, that the owner of the previous owner of the property can stay on the property.
I don't know what that's about.
That's crazy.
6.21 Oakland Ice Center.
Now, y'all, this leasing, parking, validation of parking, who's paying for that?
Where's the money?
You also hired a refrigeration engineer to go work on the problem.
We're paying for that, to go work on the problem at the ice rink, River Camp, Feather River Can 6.23.
You got some inequities going on.
Who's going to those camps?
Mostly white people.
That's who's going to those camps.
Now going back to the I got time, yes.
Going back to these uh fees, your fees have to make sense.
When you buy a piece of property for a hundred and twenty-five thousand dollars, and then you have a fee for nine hundred thousand dollars, make that make sense.
When you have a vacancy tax and thank you, Ms.
Olabala.
Your time is up.
If your name is Connie Iron Chambers and you wish to speak, please approach the podium.
Otherwise, we will be moving to the Zoom speakers, starting with Christopher Powell.
I have you with one card for one minute.
Please unmute yourself and begin your comments.
Chris Powell.
Yes.
Good evening, President Jenkins and Council members.
My name is Chris Powell.
I'm an attorney of Nancy Bridget.
I'm speaking on behalf of Alfred Foster Interstate.
We ask you to pull item 6.10 from consent.
This is not a routine contract amendment.
It's a fundamental retrade of the 2023 Becker deal on terms far worse for the city.
It cuts Becker's guaranteed payment from $750,000 a year to $250,000 a year dependent on unaudited self-reporting.
It reuses takedown credits Becker already used once to add new billboards, a net increase that contradicts your own general plans billboard reduction policy.
It eliminates Becker's roughly $500,000 poll cover obligation and clause back payments already made to community health nonprofits.
It also cannot lawfully be approved as exempt from CEQA, raises equal protection concerns, and also risks and unlawful gift of public funds.
I submitted a letter yesterday by email that I asked to be included in the record.
Thank you.
Thank you, Mr.
Powell.
Moving to Isaac Haas Reid, I have you with one card.
You two have one minute.
Please unmute yourself and begin your comments.
Good evening.
Can you all hear me?
Yes.
Council President Jenkins and amazing council members.
First of all, thank you for your hard work listening in tonight, the whole meeting.
I appreciate more than ever your public service.
Thank you also for considering the Becker board revisions and for recognizing what Becker has done for Oakland.
$3 million in free ads for nonprofits and small businesses.
Anyone who works in communications or politics knows how huge that is.
Over 100 small businesses and community-based organizations served as well.
This is something that has never been done before by the big to corporate billboard monopoly here in Oakland.
These revisions will ensure that the free ads continue.
They will also preserve the city's money and most likely lead to greater funding for both the city and community over the life of the agreements.
That's why everyone of the nonprofit community health centers supported, and why you should too.
Thank you.
And hello for my wife's home country of Guatemala.
Thank you for your comments.
Moving to Mr.
Beekman, I have you with multiple cards.
You will have three minutes.
Please unmute yourself and begin your comments.
Hi, Blair Beekman.
I had uh comments for items 6.8, 6.9, and 6.14.
6.18 is first the um working on uh NN issues, uh, many of the measures.
Um I wanted to quickly comment that uh with Major N.
Thank you that in uh the month of June you're gonna be working on the financial matters of NN.
And I hope those can be important lessons of accountability.
We're truly trying to understand accountability.
Um I've learned a lot from your uh previous meetings on it, and I hope those conversations are more open and clear and good good work that you're doing it uh very openly overall.
Uh also uh for item 6.9, is items about um you're going to uh create a more efficient process for voting?
Uh, and the city clerk's job can be easier, but I don't think it's necessarily that much easier in what you're doing.
I think you're actually limiting uh the public process.
You have a few cute rules that that uh allow the city of Oakland to somehow have some sort of power over the public process of information, and that's somehow okay.
And I think that should be questioned.
You don't want to put information on voting ballots because it's the city of Oakland item.
I really seriously question that as being sound, efficient uh government, and and it should be questioned.
And finally, to conclude, uh thank you uh much to Councilperson Unger for his initiative and wanting to limit war and to follow the examples of our current U.S.
Congresspersons.
I feel Councilperson's Ungar's initiative along with uh many people in Oakland across the country are working much the beliefs of peace and dialogue are just as important as current U.S.
Israel and uh other Middle Eastern country beliefs in using continual war, terrorism, and violence is how to solve their differences.
With Council Person Unger's initiative, I hope Oakland uh in Oakland we can continue to more sensibly balance and address and share clearly Israel's existential worries, the future of Gaza within inclusive Muslim and C Mike terms, and to develop Oakland's own city government projects and policies more and more with the within the ideas of peace, open participatory democracy, and dialogue.
This is the depth of Oakland's love-like philosophy, and that can simply be good examples of best practices and sustainability for our California state and national level, and it's good help for Israel and then for the Mid East itself at this time.
Good luck, Anita, good effort to peace, not war.
Thank you.
Thank you everyone for your comments at this time.
All names have been called for the consent.
Thank you to everybody who's participated today.
Today has been quite a long meeting.
Uh, quite the meeting, but this is what uh democracy is about.
People being out being able to come and participate.
Uh Councilmember Guile or well, to approve the consent count.
Councilmember Brown.
Excellent.
Um, I'll also second that, but I also wanted to call attention to two items, um, six twelve and six thirteen, uh similar to what one of the public commenters mentioned.
Uh, there were um community members here to speak on 613 around uh the resolution that I brought around it being home ownership month and the declining home home ownership within the city of Oakland and just and and it and it being more of a call of call to action on our part and city departments to really try to um move this along in a more positive direction and so um working closely with the office of councilmember Unger as well as the Office of the Mayor around um what we can do around home ownership in our city um and the data shows that this is um these declining levels uh are mostly found in black and Latino um communities.
And then I also wanted to call attention to it being National Caribbean Heritage Month.
Um Chef Ann was here uh from Coco Breeze.
Um and I'm sure you all also know Nigel Jones of Calabash.
And so uh there is an event that will be taking place on June 28th in Brookdale Park.
Hopefully, all of you can join us as we celebrate um Caribbean Heritage Month.
Bradley.
Thank you, Council and President Brad Johnson Director of Finance.
Regarding item 6.7, we have a clarification item that the city attorney would like us to read into the record.
The supplemental materials related to item 6.7 in your agenda packet, which are supplemental attachments A and attachment B.
Reflect your four floor edits from your first council reading of this ordinance.
No further edits are being made to the materials today, and the council may vote to adopt the ordinance previously amended upon adoption.
The changes in the supplemental attachment B will be reflected in your final exhibit A.
And that's just a clarification for the record.
Okay, so do we need to do anything else?
Just clarification for the record.
Just want to highlight 614.
Thank you, Councilmember Unger, and I'll be uh hopefully going to see council member.
I mean, our representative in DC, uh, thanking her for her support.
And with that, let's go to the roll call.
Well, the consent calendar was a motion by Councilmember Guile, second by Councilmember Brown, noting no's on item six point ten by council members five unger and Jenkins, and on item 6.25 no's by council members Wong and Houston.
Councilmember Brown, aye.
Councilmember Five is excused, Councilmember Gaio.
Which one uh the consent, right?
Yeah, consent.
Yes.
Aye.
Councilmember Houston.
Aye.
Councilmember Ramachandran.
Aye.
Councilmember Unger.
Aye.
Councilmember Wong.
Aye.
And Chair Jenkins.
I know the consent calendar passes with a vote of seven eyes, one excuse, five.
We are now on council member announcements.
Let's go to open forum.
Open forum.
As I call your name.
Please approach the podium in any order.
Please raise your hand on Zoom if you still wish to speak.
Councilmember, I'm sorry.
Mr.
Hazard.
Council Member Miss Mrs.
Sada Olabala, Millie Cleveland, Simeon Remy, Jeffrey, Anneath.
I can't read the last name.
Alma Zadego, Foto Zim, Ushi Juliet Ely, Mavis, Maeve Griffin, Ann McLean, Blair Beekman, Robbie, excuse Robbie Ayala, Kevin Daly, Desmond Jeffries, and Joyce Clean.
In any order.
You're not going to out talk me on anything that's legal, because I'm gonna do my research.
Let me read the conclusion.
The 366 days delay resulting from the clerk's administrative misclassification of petitioner's ex parte rent proceeding cannot be permitted to extinguish substantive rights.
California law is equivocal that the law respects form less than substance.
Civil Code 3528, CCP 473D, and California long-standing Jewish prudence require the correction of clerical errors whenever necessary to ensure the court's record accurately reflect the reality and the litigants received due process.
Therefore, the court should order immediate correction of the record, recognize the matter according to its true substance, and grant all appropriate relief.
So the city has an illegal sales tax that was enacted on October.
Thank you, Mr.
Hazard.
Your time is up.
Thank you, Mr.
Hazard.
Good evening again.
So I just want to also, you know, address Ms.
Councilmember Guilla, Councilmember Houston, Councilmember Brown, all of you, actually, all of you, you already know that when we came here, we are African Americans, and that that the violence also affects all of us.
Also, our organization is not on the east or in the west.
We are serving the whole Oakland and Alamida County community.
So please, I I know you passed the bill.
I mean the grant for the Department of Violence Prevention.
However, as you promised, as you promised, you need to look for other funds to support the organization left out.
You know, all this, my friends that they've been advocating here from East Oakland to West Oakland, and then the African immigrant, and on Messi, all of us that we left out, need to be supported.
So you need to do.
Thank you, ma'am.
Your time is up.
I'm gonna address two matters.
One is with uh regarding GCA, the African Resource Center.
She's advocating for funding because one thing she is passionate about is there's been violence and death in the community.
There has been one individual that's been hung over in the diamond district, and they tried to rule it as suicide.
But we know that individual didn't commit suicide, but that's what the coroner and the police OPD ruled.
There's been multiple shootings, individuals that are shot, domestic violence.
So we are advocating for funding, some of the violence prevention funding.
Next, once you give up power, it's hard to give it, get it back.
If you look at the top cities, Beverly Hills, the city of Piedmont, even Lexington, the founding of the founding of the nation was, they have a council manager form of government.
You guys might want to give yourselves more power so you could be more effective and efficient, and you could guys could do away with the manager's offering.
Thank you.
Your time is up.
Hello.
I am one person resident of Oakland, but I know there are four African who are killed in East Oakland, East uh East Oakland.
Yeah.
And I know one person by name that I'm close to.
So yeah, let's not forget them.
So one thing that I always say, as African immigrant, we get by our melanin, we get black problem.
By being immigrant, we get immigrant problem.
So yeah.
So don't forget us.
We live in this great city from north, east, and west.
Thank you.
Thank you.
Ms.
Asada.
I might want to make an announcement for people to pick up a trash.
This illegal dumping going on in here.
Um South Africa is having a tremendous issue dealing with the uh protests that are going on related to the South African community believes that unemployment is high because of the number of uh illegal migrants who are taking their jobs.
So the South African president has intervened this week with some measures to deal with it.
They're going to crack down on immigrations who are not in their country legally, they're gonna strengthen the border security, they're gonna stamp out corruption within the immigration system that's allowing this to happen, and some other measures all over the world.
People are talking about this, particularly in Europe.
You're not talking about this.
You got illegal immigrants, a percentage of them all criminals that you are protecting from being held accountable by the legal system.
You have to deal with the first CD.
Thank you, Miss Olabala.
How do you have to America?
Education, after our new comments and we're glad to go to the phone with the speaker.
Thank you, Ms.
Olabala.
Moving to our Zoom speakers, starting with Mr.
Beekman, please unmute yourself and begin your comments.
Alright, we're beakman, thank you for the meeting today.
Important meeting today.
Um, yeah, I hope we can uh yeah, I'll save my comments for Thursday on today's meeting uh for the rules.
Uh for this uh I just wanted to quickly comment that uh good luck with NN things and that uh you really are can be working towards accountability, and that city council persons can have a part in that accountability process.
Uh the commission process is really important for NN things.
It'll be interesting to see how city council persons can add their two cents to it, and I think that may be uh helpful if uh it's positive and constructive.
Good luck how to uh define and consider those terms.
And uh I thought I've heard earlier, if not uh I think last week that uh by putting uh parking citations into the transportation department's job instead of the police department, it could save a lot with overtime issues.
Man, it was so nice to hear that.
I don't know how accurate that is.
It sounds like it could help a lot, and I just wanted to.
Ann McClane, you are next.
I have you under two people with Anne McLean.
I'm guessing one is Robbie, but please unmute yourself and begin your comments.
Am I on?
I'm Ann McLean, rental property owner on 35th Avenue, and one of 18 property owners newly added to the laurel bid last July 1st.
We comprise 61 rent control departments, seven condos, three single family dwellings, one property in transition to housing, and one Chevron gas station by Highway 580.
Last year, all 18 of us were forced into the Bad District, and we're built a new additional assessment.
We were never asked if we wanted to join.
The San Diego Company put us in the district.
We were added without so much as a hearing.
Of the eighteen of us, only one condo owner voted yes.
A few owners didn't vote.
The remaining ninety-five percent of us voted no.
We want out of the district now.
If you can't carve us out, then I am requesting a disestablishment of the entire district.
We on Thirty Fifth Avenue do not want, need, or derive benefits in any way commensurate with the duplicative duplicative assessments.
We are charged for belonging.
Thank you.
Robbie, please unmute yourself and begin your comments.
Hi, can you hear me?
Yes.
Okay, perfect.
I attended the city council on July first of last year.
And when is Daniel Swafford executive director of the Laurel Business Improvement District fly by mislabeling the thirty-fifth Avenue corridor as commercial?
Well, the board president also falsely accused a thirty fifth Avenue properties abandoned.
Both last year and this year, I compiled the photos included in the package provided to you.
The thirty fifth Avenue properties have consistently presented as a well-maintained residential neighborhood.
While the Laurel consistently presents as a slums.
We heard you Oakland, you want more connected neighborhoods and better access to housing jobs and everyday essentials.
The draft lands use framework for Oakland's general plan shows how we can make that vision real.
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Hello, Oakland.
I'm Mayor Barbara Lee, and today I want you to hear one clear message.
Immigrants help make this city strong, and your city is here for you.
Now I know Oaklanders are concerned about the safety of our immigrant communities as federal enforcement activity is escalating across the country.
We stand firmly with our immigrant communities.
Oakland is a sanctuary city, and we will not be intimidated by federal operations designed to create fear and division.
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We heard you, Oakland.
You want more connected neighborhoods and better access to housing jobs and everyday essentials.
The draft lands use framework for Oakland's general plan shows how we can make that vision real.
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Hello, Oakland.
I'm Mayor Barbara Lee, and today I want you to hear one clear message.
Immigrants help make this city strong, and your city is here for you.
Now I know Oaklanders are concerned about the safety of our immigrant communities as federal enforcement activity is escalating across the country.
We stand firmly with our immigrant communities.
Oakland is a sanctuary city, and we will not be intimidated by federal operations designed to create fear and division.
No city employee will ever ask for your immigration status.
So regardless of your status, you should always feel safe to ask a police officer for help.
If your family is impacted, you have rights and support is available.
Individuals, families, organizations, city workers, and even elected officials.
Oakland is una ciudad santuario y no vamos a permitir acciones que buscan causar miedo o dividir a nuestra community.
Ningún empleado de la ciudad de Oakland le va a preguntar sobre su status migratorio.
No importa su status.
Usted puede llamar al nuevo once in una emergencia.
Puede pedir ayuda a la policía oras oficinas de la ciudad para receber services con confianza.
La alcaldesa Barbara Lee has firmado una orden ejecutiva afirmando que propiedades de Open será usada solamente para usar la ciudad y no para operations de Ice.
We will protect the town.
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We heard you, Oakland.
You want more connected neighborhoods and better access to housing jobs and everyday essentials.
The draft lands use framework for Oakland's general plan shows how we can make that vision real.
The framework focuses on achieving key community priorities like housing and services near transit and jobs, well-maintained open spaces, and transportation that gets people where they need to go.
There are many different ways that language access services can be used throughout the city, from brochures and fact sheets that are in multiple languages to bilingual staff that can provide live translation services.
Here are some of the ways that the city of Oakland can help you get more out of your city government.
At all city departments, language access posters are available, allowing you to simply point to the language you speak.
And city staff can call an interpreter over the phone for the language assistance you need.
With our city website, information is available in multiple languages with the click of a button.
And like our bilingual service, over the phone interpreters, video interpreting, and in-person interpretations can be provided.
All you have to do is ask.
What if you're at a city facility with need language services?
The public can request translation or interpretation just by talking to city staff that come in contact with at the library or by reserving an OPRYD facility for a birthday party.
If you need assistance, just let a staff member know.
All you have to do is ask.
You can minimize wait times for interpreting by requesting language assistance in advance.
If you are planning on attending a public meeting, you may require the use of translation headsets.
City staff will need time to arrange for equipment to arrive at the meeting venue on time.
So requesting them in advance is advisable.
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From Belfast, Northern Ireland and Chicago, this is democracy now.
Without the United States there would be no Israel.
Without me, there would be no Israel.
Because no other president was willing to do what I did.
I've had a great relationship with BB, but now BB has to be more responsible with respect to Lebanon.
We'll speak with Trita Parcy of the Quincy Institute for Responsible State Craft.
Then his SpaceX founder, Elon Musk, becomes the world's first trillionaire.
We'll go to South Texas, where environmental and conservation groups have sued to block a land swap that would give SpaceX more than 700 acres of a national wildlife refuge.
The SpaceX at IPL means a bigger environmental disaster for the South Texas community.
Finally, President Trump's name has been removed from the exterior of the Kennedy Center for the Performing Arts following a judge's order.
But the battle over the arts institution goes on.
We'll speak to two former Kennedy Center programmers who were fired by the Trump administration, including the renowned artist and playwright Mark Bamuti Joseph.
All that and more coming up.
Welcome to Democracy Now, Democracy Now.org, the War and Peace Report.
I'm Amy Goodman.
We're broadcasting from Belfast, Northern Ireland.
Vice President JD Vance says the Trump administration plans to release the full text of its memorandum of understanding to end the war with Iran this week, as details of the agreement with Tehran remain a secret.
On Monday, Vance disputed a report by an Iranian state-run news agency that the Memo would see billions of dollars in Iranian assets unfrozen while mandating that the U.S.
pay around $300 billion for reconstruction costs.
That said the reparations would instead be paid by neighboring Gulf states.
This comes as the Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu's pledge not to abide by the latest ceasefire agreement between the U.S.
and Iran.
On Monday, Neftanyahu made his first public remark since Trump announced the deal over the weekend.
The Israeli leader said he had no intention of withdrawing his forces from southern Lebanon.
I need available.
For decades I've been fighting Iran's efforts to acquire nuclear weapons.
I can define this as my life's mission.
I have upheld it till now, and I will uphold it in the future as well.
Earlier today, Iranian Foreign Minister Abbas Arabchi warned Iran will consider it a direct violation of the interim agreement with the United States unless Israel halts all attacks and withdraws from occupied Lebanese territory.
We'll have more on Iran after headlines with Trita Parsi of the Quincy Institute for Responsible Statecraft in Gaza.
Palestinian health officials say Israeli strikes and gunfire killed at least four Palestinians Monday.
Among the dead, Palestinian paramedic Mohammed El Habiu.
He worked at Al-Shifa Hospital.
His father says Ahabia was filling water containers on a rooftop with his son Musa when the two were blown up in an Israeli airstrike.
Well, that's the turn on the rooftop with his son.
Why did they target him?
He hadn't done anything wrong.
They targeted him because he is a doctor who works at Al-Shifa hospital.
They knew he is a doctor, and they targeted him.
Palestinians in the village of Burqa say Israeli settlers tried to burn down a mosque with dozens of people inside during religious services Sunday evening.
That followed a separate arson attack in the nearby town of Dir Dibwan, where Israeli settlers reportedly set fire to two vehicles and damaged several others.
This is Yasir Rashid, a 92-year-old Palestinian American resident of Deer Dibouan who narrowly avoided being burned alive.
I looked out the window and leaned forward.
Suddenly, a person with a gasoline canister sprayed it in my eyes and on my clothes and lit the fire.
The window caught on fire.
But I stepped back and it did not get to me.
A Palestinian-American 20-year-old woman has been imprisoned by Israel for about two weeks.
On June 2nd, Israeli soldiers broke down the door of Samasafi's family home in the occupied West Bank and took her in the middle of the night.
Safi's a psychology student of Brazate University in the Occupied West Bank.
The Guardian reports, at least three other students at Brazate have also been detained, including a member of the Palestinian women's national soccer team.
Safi's families raised concerns saying she has a chronic medical condition that needs treatment.
Several U.S.
lawmakers, including Maryland Senator Chris Van Holland, have demanded Safi's release in Russia.
The Moscow oil refinery erupted in flames today following a long-range Ukrainian drone attack targeting energy infrastructure.
The refinery normally provides nearly half of fuel supply to Russia's capital city.
The attack followed deadly Russian strikes across Ukraine over the weekend and came one day after Ukraine officially began negotiations in Luxembourg to join the European Union, a years-long process that'll require Kyiv to commit to political reforms.
Ukrainian President Vladimir Zelensky's joined leaders of the U.S.
and its allies for closed door meetings on Russia's war in Ukraine as the G7 holds its annual summit in the French town of Vian LeBain.
President Trump arrived at the talks Monday, also on the agenda, trade tensions and the U.S.
and Israeli wars on Iran and Lebanon.
In Pennsylvania, the Allegheny County Medical Examiner's Office has ruled Haitian asylum seeker Daffy Michel's death a homicide after she was found lying cold and unresponsive at a Pittsburgh bus stop where ICE had left her days earlier.
A statement released by the Allegheny County Medical Examiner read, quote, the opinion of the forensic pathologist in this case is that Ms.
Michel was a vulnerable adult suffering from untreated severe mental health issues and a significant language barrier when she was released from federal custody February 27th, unquote.
Immigration attorney Joseph Patrick Murphy represents Michelle's family.
He spoke with CBS Pittsburgh.
She had mental challenges.
She was arrested for at one point screaming at imaginary people, and they knew this.
They just dumped her at a bus shelter, a language barrier, educational barrier, and psychiatric barrier, and left to defend for herself.
The bus shoulder she never figured out how to leave.
She sat there for days and ultimately froze to death.
The immigrant defenders law center says Kayan Shaquille Suazo was transferred to various detention facilities in Texas and Louisiana without notice before being deported in what advocates believe is retaliation for his organizing.
His deportation came just days after Suazo spoke out about inhumane conditions at Atalanto with members of Congress and his legal team.
The Atalanto Ice Jail is operated by the for-profit private prison company Geo Group, which also runs the Delaney Hall Ice Jail in Newark, New Jersey, where a labor and hunger strike led by detained immigrants, reportedly continues after nearly a month.
In Indiana, over 150 people gathered outside the Clay County Jail for an interfaith vigil demanding the release of Salah Sassur, the president of the Islamic Society of Milwaukee, a revered Palestinian community leader.
Sarsor has been held at the jail for over two months.
The vigil Sunday was attended by Jewish community members, Muslim leaders, and members of Sarsour's family, including his eldest son Karim.
This is Rachel Idabuff, writer, organizer, and historian at the University of Wisconsin, Milwaukee.
Since they kidnapped him on March 30th, Salah has been in that detention center in the Clay County jail.
He has been denied his medical and religious rights.
Salah is a type 2 diabetic.
He needs to test his blood every day.
They let him test monthly at best.
He has lost 30 pounds in detention.
He has asked for a prayer rug and had it taken away when he asked for a Quran.
He was offered a Bible when he's asked for healthy food.
They have offered him pork rhymes, which is just cruelty in action.
White House officials last year debated whether to suspend habeas corpus rights for immigrants and asylum seekers as President Trump looked for ways to bypass judges in deportation cases.
That's according to the New York Times, which reports White House Staff Secretary Will Scharf wrote a secret memo to Susie Wiles, Chief of Staff, outlining his opposition to a plan by senior Trump advisor Stephen Miller to suspend the rights of immigrants to challenge their deportations in court.
The New York Times also reported Vice President J.D.
Vance pushed to invoke the Insurrection Act in January, just days after Federal immigration agents in Minnesota shot and killed the intensive care nurse Alex Prefti.
The revelations draw from reporting by New York Times reporters Maggie Haberman and Jonathan Swan in their forthcoming book titled Regime Change Inside the Imperial Presidency of Donald Trump.
The United Kingdom will ban children under the age of 16 from accessing social media platforms, including Facebook, Instagram, TikTok X, and YouTube, to protect them from harmful content.
The restrictions were announced Monday by British Prime Minister Keir Starmer.
It will make a huge difference.
It will make our children safer.
It will make our children happier.
It will give them more time, more security, more freedom to grow up, more opportunity.
Britain joins Australia, which last year became the first country in the world to impose a ban on social media for children under 16.
Meanwhile, over a dozen other countries, including France and Denmark, are weighing legislation that would restrict children's access to social media websites and apps.
And more news from Britain, an appeals court has ruled the British government acted lawfully when it banned the group Palestine Action under its Terrorism Act.
More than 3,000 activists have been arrested since the ban was imposed in July of last year, according to Al Jazeera.
Amnesty International UK said on social media, quote, the banning of Palestine action as a terrorist organization is a grave misuse of counterterrorism powers with serious consequences for human rights, unquote.
To see our coverage of Palestine Action, go to Democracy Now.org.
And the South African jazz musician and pianist Abdullah Ibrahim has died at the age of 91.
Ibrahim was born to parents of mixed ethnic descent in the 30s Cape Town, South Africa, and made his professional debut as Dollar Brand at the age of 15.
Over the decades, he went on to produce more than 70 records.
Ibrahim's best known work is Manenberg, recorded in 1974, a major anti-apartheid anthem that reportedly inspired Nelson Mendela during his long imprisonment.
Ibrahim performed at Mandela's 1994 inauguration as South Africa's first black president.
Mandela reportedly referred to him as our Mozart.
And those are some of the headlines.
This is Democracy Now, Democracy Now.org, the War and Peace Report.
I'm Amy Goodman in Belfast, Northern Ireland, with Juan Gonzalez in Chicago.
Hi, Juan.
Hi, Amy, and welcome to all of our listeners and viewers across the country and around the world.
Donald Trump is meeting with world leaders at the G7 summit in France with much of the world's focus on Iran.
On Sunday, the U.S.
and Iran signed a framework agreement extending the ceasefire by 60 days.
Iran's agreed to reopen the Strait of Hormuz while the U.S.
will lift its naval blockade.
The text of the agreement, though, has not yet been released, according to Iran.
The deal calls for a permanent and immediate cessation of hostilities on all fronts, including in Lebanon.
But Israel, which is not a party to the agreement, says it plans to keep troops in parts of Southern Lebanon.
Earlier today, President Trump spoke about Israel at the G7.
We've got a very effective relationship.
Without us, without the United States, there would be no Israel.
Without me, there would be no Israel because no other president was willing to do what I did.
I've had a great relationship with BB, but now BB has to be more responsible with respect to Lebanon.
No, I'm not happy with the way Israel has handled themselves with Lebanon and with Hezbollah.
They should have been able to do the job faster.
It just goes on forever.
And when that happens, it throws a negative light on the big deal, and that's the deal with Iran.
We're joined now by Trita Parsi, Executive Vice President of the Quincy Institute for Responsible Statecraft.
He was in the news himself last week after the right wing online outlet, the free press published an article claiming the State Departments opened a probe and to try to Parsi that could lead to his deportation.
The free press was founded by Barry Weiss, who's now editor in chief of CBS News.
We'll talk more about that in a moment.
But let's begin with the U.S.
Iran Agreement treaty.
Your latest article is headlined the next 72 hours will tell us whether Israel plans to kill Trump's peace.
Explain.
As we have seen, the Israelis uh did everything they could last minute to make sure that the deal would collapse by escalating matters and going into Beirut itself.
There had been skirmishes between Hezbollah and Israel for the days prior to that.
At the end of the day, the Israelis are invading Lebanon, of course, so that's not necessarily surprising.
But both sides have managed to keep it at a level in which there wouldn't be any major escalation and no violation of the red line that both Iran and the United States had put forward, which was no more attacks on Beirut.
But just hours before there were supposed to be a signing or an electronic signing of this agreement, the Israelis struck at Beirut, which is part of the reason why Trump now for several days have been lashing out at the Israelis because it's very clear to him ultimately now that the Israelis are trying to destroy this deal, and they will continue to try.
They did so with the Obama deal, they will do so with this one as well, and it will require persistent, consistent pressure by Trump on the Israelis in order to hold them back.
Israel's war on Gaza, two million Italians went on a general strike in support in solidarity with Palestine last fall, a 24-hour general strike in Italy just uh less than a month ago on May 18th.
What do you sense is happening among the European governments?
Well, the European governments are under tremendous pressure from their own populations because they're pursuing foreign policies, at least when it comes to Gaza, but also to a certain extent other places that are just not in line with what the public stare want.
They're tired of these wars.
Uh, they don't want to see the support for a genocide, uh, even in countries such as Germany that has been so supportive of Israel beyond any other European state, the public is 60 65% plus in opposition to Israel's handling on all of this.
And at the same time, you have this tension with the United States that is going its own ways, and the Europeans finally realizing that they have to have far more strategic autonomy than they have uh had before.
They have put all of their eggs in the American security basket, made themselves so dependent on the United States, so dependent on NATO that they have lost the ability to uh uh pursue an independent path, an independent path that in many ways actually was good for the United States itself.
The Germany of 2003 that stood up against the Iraq war, that spoke out against it, led the opposition to that war, is a Europe that the United States needs.
Because we do tend to have bad ideas over here every once in a while, and we need a partner that can tell us that this is not a path we should take.
But Europe has lost that ability, it's made itself so dependent on the United States, uh, that he has no longer the maneuverability to push back.
And this is something that the European publics ultimately are not happy about because they're seeing the consequences of that vacillation of uh Europe as a continent.
And what do you make of the continuing disagreements voiced publicly between the Iranian government and the US government over what this deal entails?
And it's supposedly going to be about a two-page memorandum, which obviously can't deal with all the complexity of a deal of this type.
Look, both sides are going to try to frame this as a win.
Uh, and I think both sides also have media apparatuses in their countries that have put forward versions of this deal that may not be actually accurate.
I do suspect that some of the hardline uh media in Iran has actually put forward ideas or versions of this deal that are not the uh accurate ones in order to make sure that the expectations are exaggerated so that the final meet never meets them.
But this is a way because of the effort from the hardliners in Iran to sabotage, and we have similar problems here on the United States as well.
But this is being compounded by the fact that the actual text is not released.
As long as you don't have an official text that is released, there is going to be step speculation that gives opportunities for those who want to sabotage it to do exactly that.
Trita, um, you wrote a book uh losing an enemy Obama run and the triumph of diplomacy about the Iran deal that Obama struck.
Um can you talk about whether there's any real difference between what is agreed about now and uh back then in 2015?
Again, we don't know the details yet to be able to make uh an accurate estimation of what the differences and similarities are.
I suspect that there will be plenty of similarities and some differences as well.
If, for instance, the deal does contain the same elements that was on the table back in February before the war, when the Omanis were mediating this issue, then there are going to be some elements that are frankly going to be stronger than the JCPOA.
For instance, that the Iranians would not be stockpiling any uh uh enriched uranium at all, and they would potentially even pause enrichment for several years.
The JCPO did not contain that.
On the other hand, the JCPA had remarkable inspections regimes.
We don't know what inspections regime this deal will have because the IEA has not been involved in these negotiations in the JCPOA, they were deeply deeply involved.
Another very interesting difference that I think we already now can see, at least rhetorically, is that the Obama administration was very careful only to sell that deal as a nuclear agreement.
They never try to uh uh point to a possibility of a better future between the US and Iran, a better relationship, a transformation of that relationship.
If it were to happen, it would be an added bonus, but not something that was at the center of the deal, or not even something that was designed to be the ambition of the deal.
The Trump administration has done this completely reversely.
They're going out there and very ferociously arguing that this can be a peace deal, that this can be a full transformation, not just of US Iran relations, but the entire regional context as well.
Now, whether they have the political power and capital and means to make real out of that promise remains to be seen.
But it is an ambition that the Obama administration did not even express and it never even called their deal a peace deal.
And in some ways, I think this is a positive development because we do need to finally get over this US Iran enmity.
Otherwise, if this continues but it just has a nuclear component to it, that enmity eventually is gonna lead to either the collapse of that nuclear deal or some other form of confrontation between the two countries.
And I think it would be better for both states if they actually could put that enmity behind them.
Trita, I also want to ask you about the recent free press article headlined, will the US deport Trita Parsi?
The outlet claim the Trump administration's weighing whether to revoke your green card.
You've described it as a hit piece designed to trigger your deportation.
Of course, free press founded by Barry Weiss, who's now the editor-in-chief of CBS News.
Yeah, thank you, Amy, for allowing me to uh correct the record on this one.
I wrote about it on my substack as well afterwards.
Uh only hours after this hit piece came out, the State Department itself took the unusual move of coming out and denying it and saying that they have no plans to uh deport me, at least not for now, they said so.
Uh there was a caveat there.
But nevertheless, this was a very unusual move because usually the State Department doesn't comment on these things at all.
But I think what happened, and this is my theory, I don't have uh smoking gun evidence for it, but I do believe that there were elements inside the State Department that wanted to move in this direction.
They had been pressured by people like Laura Loomer for months now, tweeting that they should be deporting me.
And they thought that this hits piece uh would help move things forward.
But I think frankly, it backfired because not only was there a major backlash publicly against this, there was also opposition within the Trump administration against this move, and it's part of the reason why the State Department came out so quickly and so unusually to deny this.
We'll link to your Substack article headlines so they tried to deport me.
Up next, as SpaceX founder Elon Musk becomes the world's first trillionaire, we'll go to South Texas, where environmental groups have sued to block a land swap that would give SpaceX more than 700 acres of national wildlife refuge.
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On Friday, Elon Musk became the world's first trillionaire as his space flight, internet, satellite, social media, and AI conglomerate SpaceX went public in the largest IPO in stock market history.
Musk formed SpaceX in 2002 with a goal of colonizing Mars.
The company's based in South Texas in a city controlled by Elon Musk, known as Starbase, which SpaceX has used for rocket launches since 2014.
Environmental and conservation groups recently filed a federal lawsuit seeking to block a land swap that would give SpaceX more than 700 acres of a national wildlife refuge in South Texas.
We go now to Becca Inojosa, co-founder of the South Texas Environmental Justice Network, part of a lawsuit against the US Fish and Wildlife Service, which approved the land swap.
Becca, thanks so much from joining us from South Texas.
Explain what this lawsuit is all about.
Good morning.
Thank you so much for having me on Democracy Now.
Last week we were a part of a coalition that filed a lawsuit to block the U.S.
Fish and Wildlife Service from giving SpaceX and Elon Musk more than 700 acres of public land to expand the dangerous rocket facility and to continue their unnecessary rocket launches.
The lawsuit was filed by Center for Biological Diversity.
And let me make it clear: SpaceX built its massive facility and company town called Starbase on top of wetlands and in the middle of a major wildlife corridor.
This was a pristine beach that's next to thousands of acres of protected wildlife habitat for threatened and endangered species like the Oscelot, the Oplomato Falcon, sea turtles, and migratory birds.
There should never be a SpaceX rocket facility or any kind of industrial facility in this area.
SpaceX has already burned down dozens of acres of wildlife habitat, is dumping polluted water on our beach, has sent rocket debris into our communities, into communities in Mexico, and these rocket launches have disrupted numerous uh airplane flights over the years.
Uh, we've been outspoken uh about the dangers and risks of SpaceX uh in our community for you know over 10 years now, and we will continue to do so.
Uh and Becca, if you could talk a little bit more about these uh, especially these rocket explosions.
We're talking about an area of the United States, Rio Grande Valley of Texas, that's overwhelmingly Latino and Mexican-American, includes some of the poorest counties uh in the country, and then you that yet they're being subjected to uh to these environmental impacts.
That's correct.
Um, my community is majority uh Latin, uh brown, indigenous, mostly an immigrant community.
Right now, uh Musk is testing his Starship Super Heavy Rocket, the largest rocket in human history in our community.
Elon Musk is using our impoverished uh community as his laboratory to blow up dangerous experimental SpaceX rockets.
Uh and truthfully, his rocket testing sounds like a bomb going off.
I can hear the sonic booms, I can feel the earthquakes in my apartment about 20 miles away from the launch pad.
Uh what it feels like is this SpaceX rocket testing is like Elon Musk bombing us.
And could you talk a little more about this city he's created, Starbase, uh basically for his employees?
Yes, so uh last year Elon Musk established his own company town on our beach uh called Starbase, where those in charge of Starbase have direct ties to SpaceX.
Um it's clear that Starbase is acting only in the interests of SpaceX.
For example, SpaceX will buy land and Starbase will annex it.
And Starbase, uh Elon Musk's company town, has essentially militarized our pristine beach.
Um they have a lot of surveillance, they have a lot of police activity, uh, they've made our beach feel very unwelcome.
They actively uh deter people away and they close the highway to the beach.
I want to go to Elon Musk speaking on Friday.
I gave I give SpaceX less than a 10% chance uh of succeeding at all, to be clear.
Um in fact, I told people this.
I said, look, we're probably gonna fail, but you know, we should give it a try because if we don't, uh, if there's not a new company that enters space, we will never be a truly space-bearing civilization.
And that's what SpaceX is all about.
Is to take the fiction out of science fiction and create an exciting, inspiring future for everyone.
So that's Elon Musk.
If you can respond to that, Becca Inajosa, and also simply to Elon Musk becoming the world's first trillionaire, making its debut on Wall Street, SpaceX, in the largest IPO in history from your vantage point there on the border in Texas.
Uh no one should invest in Musk's corporations because it wouldn't mean expanding his toxic data center, his SpaceX operations, thereby making Musk's sacrifice zone of black and brown communities even bigger.
We're urging everyone to stop Elon Musk's sacrifice zone and to defund Elon Musk.
And this uh idea of a one man uh having the net worth now as a first trillionaire of nearly half of the people on the planet, the 46% of the poorest uh inhabitants of planet Earth.
You know, it's absolutely disgusting.
Uh, and that's why our community has been protesting, resisting SpaceX's colonization of our community for for over 10 years now.
Um, but we can't be the only community speaking out.
Um, we're urging everyone to to take action and mobilize to stop um, you know, Elon Musk's obscene wealth.
Um, let's go through some of the proposals.
Last month, SpaceX filed a proposal seeking to build a six-mile-long 16-inch pipeline to bring in massive quantities of natural gas from the port of Brownsville to Starbase to fuel its massive new rocket starship.
Um, the underground pipeline would cross protected wet lines uh lands and wild refuge, and SpaceX is discussing the potential purchase of 136,000 acres of land owned by Exxon Mobil on an undeveloped stretch of Louisiana's Gulf Coast.
That project's environmental footprint would dwarf the already significant starbase operation.
Becca Inacosa, if you could comment.
Yes.
Uh communities uh all across the country are reaching out to us asking, you know, how do we resist uh Elon Musk's colonization?
Um that's what we need to do, is we need to work together, uh, all of these communities to resist.
Um Elon Musk is also pushing forth with a massive uh land grab in our region.
Uh right now they're trying to, you know, obtain the 700 acres of wildlife habitat, but they're also trying to take over another 7,000 acres uh of our Boca Chica Beach.
Um, you know, what we need to do is is work together to stop this.
And Becca, what's been the response of your elected officials, your local, especially your local elected officials that can understand while the Governor Abbott and the uh and the uh the the top uh state officials uh would be supportive of most, but what about the local officials?
Um all of our local officials are ignoring community concerns, they're ignoring community members speaking up about their homes shaking, about their windows cracking, their home foundations cracking because of SpaceX rocket launches.
Um we've seen elected officials uh take money from SpaceX here and lobby in favor of more bills that benefit SpaceX.
Um, you know, which is why we need to, you know, mobilize together because our elected officials are selling us out to Elon Musk.
Becky Nichosa co-founded the South Texas Environmental Justice Network, the group part of a coalition that just sued the U.S.
Fish and Wildlife Service for giving 700 acres of public land to SpaceX.
Becca's an environmental community advocate with the grassroots collaborative, another gulf is possible.
Coming up, President Trump's name has been removed from the exterior of the Kennedy Center for the Performing Arts following a judge's order.
But the battle over the Kennedy Center goes on.
We'll speak to two former Kennedy Center programmers who were fired by the Trump administration, including the renowned artist and playwright Mark Bamuti Joseph.
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President Trump's name has been removed letter by letter from the exterior of the Kennedy Center for the Performing Arts, following a judge's order.
But a massive tarp remains in place, covering up the center's name without Trump.
Workers remove Trump's name at around 3 a.m.
on Saturday.
The Kennedy Center's board, which was hand picked by Trump, voted to add Trump's name to the center late last year, but Congress never approved the name change.
U.S.
District Judge Christopher Cooper issued the order to remove Trump's name.
Cooper wrote, quote, the Kennedy Center's organic statute makes crystal clear that the center is to be named for President Kennedy, and it cannot bear any other formal name or public memorial based on the board's unilateral say so.
Congress gave the Kennedy Center its name, and only Congress can change it.
Unquote.
In February, Trump announced plans to entirely close the Kennedy Center for two years, beginning in July, supposedly for renovations, but a judge has blocked the center's closure.
Before Trump announced the renovations, dozens of artists and organizations, including the San Francisco Ballet and the Martha Graham Dance Company, pulled out of performances after Trump appointed himself chair of the center.
We're joined now by two former Kennedy Center programmers who were fired.
Mallory Miller is co-founded hands off the arts from her job as assistant manager of dance programming at the Kennedy Center.
And Mark Bamuti Joseph is a renowned artist and playwright who was fired from his role as vice president and artistic director of the Kennedy Center's Social Impact Initiative of March.
He was fired in March 2025.
Mark Bamuti Joseph, let's begin with you.
First of all, good morning and thanks for having me.
Thanks for having us.
I have lots of feelings.
I have um three primary responses.
Um the first is intimate and visceral.
The feeling of uh the reversal of a particular defilement of a national memorial, um, and the striking of a person's name who has contracted the American horizon.
Um, whether it's the defunding of cancer research or the national parks, or the Department of Education, having that particular person's name above a poet of a president like John F.
Kennedy was an affront to us all, and uh reversing that decision uh is somewhat emboldening.
Um I would say my second reaction is more parliamentary.
Um, we, the American people have rarely been afforded the decency of a public conversation or process.
You know, you wake up one morning and we've kidnapped a president in Venezuela.
You wake up one morning and we're at war with Iran.
Um there were no procedural protocols in the uh affixing of this person's name on a national memorial.
And so um, you know, led by Congresswoman Joyce Beatty, this does feel like uh a small victory for the rule of law.
And then I would say that my third response is more macroeconomic and conceptual.
Uh this is an institution that's uh this past fiscal year was afforded 260 million dollars uh by Congress.
It's uh 250 million dollar annual budget when functioning at uh at its highest level.
Um the retraction of that money from uh the national economy and from the cultural economy is uh is really striking in and of itself.
Um but there's something that vibrates a little bit higher than that, and that is the economy of joy, uh, the economy of inspiration, the the courage economy.
And artists are the primary architects of a post-fear economy.
Um, and so when you remove the Kennedy Center as a centerpiece from the creative ecosystem in terms of that kind of capital, um I I'd be remiss to not mention uh the victory of the New York Knicks and the joy emanating from that city.
Think about the economic fallout, or think about the economic repercussions of 10 million New Yorkers being happy at once.
Um now think about what it's like when you leave a show.
How many inspired people leave a performance of dance or a performance of theater?
What radiates, what emanates out of that space?
Um artists are the architects of a post-fear economy, and hopefully, this is part of the restoration of that jewel in the post-fear economy, uh being re-instituted for the American public.
And Mark, I wanted to ask you the the importance, if you can talk about the importance of the Kennedy Center to artists and performers around the country, and also what its its status is right now with Trump claiming he wants to close it for two years, yet a judge ordering it to be kept open.
What is actually happening uh in terms of the Kennedy Center?
Uh and uh especially how do you see it over the next year or two?
Um well, the Kennedy Center is an important is an important space as a living memorial to the nation's 35th um president.
It is um a memorial uh like the Washington Monument is a memorial like uh the like uh uh so many of these national treasures.
So it continues to endure, I think, in that space, although it has now been politicized in a way that um uh reverts it to a kind of marginal space, I think, in terms of um the public imagination.
Um in terms of um its space as a pillar for artists in the creative economy.
Um the Kennedy Center is a North Star.
The highest honor that we give in the United States for living performing artists are the Kennedy honors.
Um, so what is it that we aspire to?
Uh my belief is that um even with all its conflicts, the aspiration of America is equity.
And artists name that they color that for all of us.
Um so the the restoration of the space is extraordinarily um important, just as it's important to have um, you know, for a child to have maybe a grade to reach for, or an athlete to have a championship to reach for, um, a place at the Kennedy Center, uh a place on the Kennedy Center stages is one of those spaces, I think, in the American Imagination, and for an artist's career trajectory.
At this point, curators tend to program years in advance.
So it's very rare that you pick up the phone and say, Can you get on my stage on Friday?
You pick up the phone and say, Can you get on my stage in the year 2028?
All of that infrastructure has been severely compromised.
And I don't know who the curatorial staff is at this point.
And I'm not sure how we begin to restore the trust of the artist community to see the Kennedy Center as a place to come back to and inspire audiences locally, nationally, and globally.
I'd like to bring in Mallory Miller to the conversation, co-founder of Hands Off the Arts.
Uh, you were fired from your job as assistant manager of dance programming at the Kennedy Center in August of 2025.
Your group's been protesting uh weekly outside the Kennedy Center.
Your reaction to the latest developments, and if you could talk about this mass purging that has that has occurred of people at the Kennedy Center.
Yeah, and thank you again for having us.
Um, and thank you, Bamuti, for sharing those um thoughts.
I could not agree with you more.
Um, I you know, hands off the arts is out there on Friday.
We've been out there every Friday uh rallying and protesting the authoritarian overreach into arts and culture in our country at the Kennedy Center.
Um and we were there on Friday, uh, and it was uh it was a thing of joy.
Um we are so happy to see that name finally come down off the building.
It really does mean something.
We have been fighting for it since it went up in December.
Um, but I want to be very clear that this is just the first step in rebuilding the trust that has been lost.
Um the Kennedy Center has been impoverished by this administration and by the chairman um who is Donald Trump, and he is still the boss there.
Um, yes, I was fired um in August, and alongside of my dance programming colleagues, and many other people have been fired, but the firings are still happening.
Um they're still attacking the workers, recently firing the box office uh employees as in a violation of their union contract.
Um I just want to talk about some of the artists who have said no and ask you, Mallory Miller about hands off the arts and your protests there at the Kennedy Center.
Philip Glass, the Washington National Opera, uh Bella Fleck, Steven Schwartz, composer of Wicked, uh, the New York City Ballet, Renee Fleming, Martha Graham Dance Company, Hamilton, the hugely popular musical was set to be staged at the Kennedy Center to honor the 250th anniversary of the Declaration of Independence.
But after um Trump was appointed chair, Lynn Manuel Miranda, the show's creator said the show would not engage with the institution while it is the Trump Kennedy Center.
Interesting to see what will happen now.
Alvin Ailey, American Dance Theater, San Francisco Ballet, um, let freedom ring for the first time in 20 years.
Um, an annual concert celebrating Dr.
Martin Luther King, featuring artists like Aretha Franklin and Leslie Odom was held not at the Kennedy Center, but at the Howard Theater a few miles away, and the Brentano Quartet with Shenyun Huang.
Um, very interesting lists of artists.
Um, one do you think that Trump announced that they were going to be renovating the Kennedy Center, which is why they closed it, that it was really that so many artists had said no, there were not enough artists to um be at the Kennedy Center, and what hands off the arts is doing, Mallory.
I I I said impoverished before, and I think what I mean by that is both the financial side of things.
I don't know how the organization is still open right now, given everything that's happened, but also the impoverishment of the arts.
There are no arts um right now at the Kennedy Center or Scant Few.
Um Millennium Stage, which is a program that used to be a part of the social impact department, is still running and the National Symphony Orchestra is still playing, or they played their last concert last weekend.
Um but there are not shows, and and you are right to bring up all of those artists who have withdrawn their participation from the Kennedy Center as a result of this.
I have always believed that the community and the power of people here in Washington and across the country is a vital piece of the fight here for the Kennedy Center.
And so what Hands of the Arts has been doing has been gathering that community.
We have gathered hundreds of people for protests, including last week, including in December, and including the very day that Judge Cooper gave us his ruling.
Um it was meant to be a vigil for John F.
Kennedy's memorial on the occasion of his 109th birthday, but it quickly turned into a celebration because of the great news about the stop stoppage of the closure and um the idea that the name would finally come off the building.
Um, and we're still gathering that community.
We still have our Friday protests every single Friday at 6 30 p.m.
at the steps of the Kennedy Center, and our campaign is to stop the closure and to save the jobs.
Um, and we need our community to show up and be in that space with us to prove our power to the Board of Trustees, to the president, to continue to keep a spotlight on this issue.
And I I wanted to ask uh Mark Bamusi Joseph uh you were fired, uh, as well as from your role as vice president and artistic director of the Kennedy Center Social Impact Initiative.
Could you talk about the uh that firing and the work that you were doing that was so vital uh to the Kennedy Center?
Yeah.
Um we were um among the first let go, which I kind of hold is a badge of honor, um, if I'm being honest, um, our our threat to the incoming regime was that we were doing impact investment work um in uh the creative economy.
Um you see shows, you see output.
Um many of us are very familiar with something when it hits the stage, but um everyone needs a process.
Everyone needs research and development, time, resources, and infrastructure.
And um the social impact department, which was really centered uh around um the idea that the 14th amendment guarantees for all of us access to the impulse of creativity.
You cannot be enfranchised as an American if you do not have access to inspiration.
So, how do we invest in that um long term?
Um, my feeling um as the first vice president of social impact specifically, my feeling was that it was the Kennedy Center's responsibility to create protocols and vectors for investment in artists, not when they're on stages, but in the spaces beforehand, and to widen the cultural radius as expansively as possible, um, to not only invest in local um cultural organizations and cultural artists, um, but also to do work like the cartography project, which was um an initiative that invested in black composers all over the country who were given the mandate to create works of opera and symphony that were inspired by black dignity.
Um, the cartography project um was uh an initiative that literally mapped black dignity from Houston to Seattle uh from New Orleans to Ohio.
Um that was one of more than 20 different programs.
Um we uh had an annual budget um exceeding three million dollars that we invested um in the infrastructure in the constitutionally guaranteed infrastructure of creativity um and towards an equitable horizon across the country.
Um very quickly, Vamuti, I want to get your response to these remarks by President Trump last year about the Kennedy Center.
We don't need woke at the Kennedy Center.
We don't need some of the shows were terrible, they're a disgrace that they were even put on.
So I'll be there until such time as it gets to be running right.
And we don't need woke at the Kennedy Center.
A lot of jokes have been made showing pictures of President Trump falling asleep in all different places, including his cabinet meetings.
But Bamuti, your response in these last 30 seconds.
What we do need is a department of education.
Um, what we do need are funds for cancer research.
What we do need is our national parks open, and what we do need is a home for artists who authors the American imagination more than artists.
I would much rather be awake in an inspired America than asleep at the wheel, like this authoritarian president.
Mark Babuti Joseph, we want to thank you for being with us.
Uh renowned artist and playwright fired from his role as vice president artistic director of the Kennedy Center Social Impact Initiative last year.
And we want to thank Mallory Miller, also a programming officer at the Kennedy Center fired last year, co-founder of now, hands off the arts.
That does it for our show.
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Summer's finally here, which I felt like it took a little bit to get here, and uh happy about that.
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Uh, you know, as we get older, we get colder, it seems, and we we like to move to warm areas, it seems.
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Speaking of that, you know, I'm aging just like my clients, and one thing I notice uh, you know, we tend to notice trends here as we help people, and we try to make sure that we're staying on top of things.
And one thing I've noticed is that we've helped enough people uh along the way to get out of debt early.
When they get out of debt early, um, they have more money to save, and so they save better, right?
That sounds like a great thing, but it does pose new challenges.
And one of the challenges is once you start building up your nest egg and you amass a reasonable amount of money, you sort of pass this line between where you have uh little assets and little income, and you would qualify for um aid of some sort, Medicaid or some kind of uh situation like that, and where you have more money, not so much that you're so wealthy you don't care about those expenses, but you're at a level where you have to protect them.
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What if these things happen?
Now, the logical things that come to mind that people protect themselves from uh they do with things like life insurance or house insurance or some sort of conservative investment where they know, okay, I'm not gonna lose all my money in the market, something like that.
The thing that seems to go uh less talked about, I wouldn't say undiscussed, but less talked about, is long-term care risks.
Now, long-term care we're talking about, you know, cognitive impairment, incontinence, dressing, all kinds of things that are what we call the activities of daily living.
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It doesn't mean that you have to go into a nursing home necessarily, but you might need some sort of long-term, oh, I don't know, care, right?
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So it's this weird sort of rub Jess where you've done everything right, you've built a bunch of money, you want to be able to use it in retirement, and along comes this catastrophic uh expense, and it can wipe you out.
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Like even assisted living is a lot of money per month.
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There's a government website that's very uh simple, and what it does is it gives you you put in your zip code and it will tell you all the long term care costs in your area, according to government statistics.
Uh and in our area, it's around four thousand dollars a month, a little bit more than that, I think, for um nursing home care.
Assisted living was just under two grand a month.
You know, you can deplete your assets pretty quickly at that rate.
Um, and so we'll talk about there are different um options now than there used to be.
Now, you know, I started at John Hancock a bazillion years ago, and when I did long-term care was just coming on the market.
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You paid for that insurance like your homeowners, you don't get your money back, right?
If you don't have a claim, and because of the expense, um, and because of the emotional resistance, you know.
I even found myself saying, Look, no one in my family has ever needed to go into a facility.
As as far as I can see back on either side, what are the chances that I will go into a facility?
Well, you know what?
The same as everybody else.
Right.
Chances are high because we're living older, you know, we're living longer, and as we get older, our bodies break down.
And so I'm sure that you've had this conversation with people or or heard people have it.
Uh I'm never going into a place like that.
I will check out first.
Oh yeah.
Oh yeah, for sure.
And we all say that, and yet these places are full of people.
Not skirting around a legal issue, but you know I'm going to.
Um, do you get a lot of clients because I hear this all the time.
Like, I'm gonna make sure I have nothing in my name when I get to that age because you burn through it so quick and i is there strategies around that?
Is there a way to do that where you're not gonna get yourself in trouble?
Is that the smart thing to do?
Not have so much in your name.
That's a very good question.
Really good question.
Um, yes, most people try that first, I'd say, and some people successfully, right?
Okay, use a trust or or put things take things out of their name, but there are risks in doing this.
Okay.
Uh, and again, I'm not a lawyer or an accountant, so I'll just get that out there right now.
But let's say that you want to protect your assets by putting them in a trust.
Well, if you still have access to the trust, those assets are probably still available.
So the the solution there is you make it an irrevocable trust, and in order to do that, you better be sure you don't want to change your mind.
You don't need that money for anything.
Okay, and is it a smart thing to do?
Well, you know, a lot of times people say, Well, I'm just gonna put all my money in my kids' names.
Mm-hmm.
That's what I mean.
And I'll look poor.
And then what happens if your kids get sued, or your kid unfortunately becomes very ill and has the expenses there, that money is then theirs.
So I think there are smarter ways to do it.
Those things all have merit.
There are there are right ways to do to do all of those things to have trusts and to put people's names on things.
I highly recommend that you look at everything and you talk to an attorney or financial advisor, both preferably, uh, to get your ducks in a row for that.
But if what you're trying to do is minimize the assets you have so that if you have to go into a nursing home, you won't lose your money, then you're falling into exactly what I was just talking about.
The your only option is to go into a nursing home at that point.
Yeah.
And most of us, I think would prefer some sort of home health care as long as we can have it.
Yeah, people want to be in their own houses.
Yeah, yeah, and and most of the times you could need long-term care, but it's not awful.
Maybe you need help taking a shower, maybe you need help feeding uh yourself or making the meals.
Maybe you need help, you know, getting drinking.
Yeah.
I mean, or yeah, well, a lot of people can't even put their shoes on as they get older because they can't bend like that, and they need help.
That's an ADL, that's an activity of daily living, and all you need for most of the things we're gonna talk about uh to qualify are two of those.
And so they could be, for instance, this stuff's always yucky to talk about, nobody likes it, and that's why we don't do it.
Uh, for instance, incontinence and some cognitive impairment or incontinence and some help dressing in continental shower.
Well, a lot of times too, parents don't want their children.
They feel like they're burdening their children with that.
So if they have some that can come in and help with that, it's more comfortable for them.
Well, for sure.
So we're gonna talk about um in general terms, not product specific, the newer things that are out there and how great I think they are as solutions, not for everybody, but for the right people, and it's a a real sort of discovery uh to hear about these because nobody's been talking about it much in I mean, I'm sure there is somebody out there doing a lot of talking about this, but we aren't coming across it here very often.
It's always seems to be a surprise to the clients to hear about them.
But one of the things in general terms that I like about most of these kinds of solutions, uh, is that many of them have right built into their contract that you can pay a family member or a friend using this money to care for you.
That's really very nice for a lot of people who do feel like they're burdening their children and their children have jobs and lives and it's expensive, and if they have to leave and care for a parent, that's a financial burden.
And so if you are if you have a policy where you can pay them to do it, that helps check that box, right?
And then you don't have that weird money thing with your kids over, you know, mom or dad needed you to do this stuff, and and you know, you're just gonna have to suck it up, right?
Yeah, I'm sure there's enough other emotional stuff going on.
So if you can take the financial worry part out of the picture, that helps a lot, I can imagine.
Absolutely true.
Um, another thing is there are there are features in some of these contracts that allow you to um use the money in any way that you want, so for your own care.
So you don't necessarily, yes, you have to have two, need help with two ADLs to qualify, but you don't necessarily have to uh in all the contracts provide receipts and get reimbursement, although some of the contracts work that way.
A lot of them just are like this is what your benefit is monthly, and you're gonna get that.
So I will get into more detail because it will it will take us a little time to do it, but let me just tease this uh and give you some idea of what I'm talking about.
Um some of these contracts come in the form of a life insurance slash long-term care policy, some of them come in the form of an annuity slash long-term care policy.
I'm giving you very generic things here, but what I'm what I'm really telling you is nothing I'm talking about today is the the kind of long-term care, the traditional long-term care policy that people um would pay high premiums for and then lose the money if they didn't use it.
Is this something that your employer offers you, or you have to go out on your own to find somewhere that offers this?
That's interesting.
I would love it if employers would offer this, and there probably are a few employers that do this, but in general, it's not the kind of employer benefit that you typically see in your list of benefits.
So let me give you a very broad overview, and then the second part we'll talk about questions and how you know what types of things qualify you and all of that.
Okay.
So here's an example.
This is a real life example of some clients I just did this for, and there are many, but this particular one is fresh in my mind.
Um, what in this case what we did is we took some assets that so this is an asset driven kind of thing.
We took some assets that were very conservative, uh, earning conservatively.
They didn't want to risk them in the market, and they didn't really think they were going to need them for income.
So these people have built enough money that this money in this case was actually sitting in their 401k, uh, and they're not gonna use it.
They're just gonna leave it to their kids.
And so what I saw for their risk exposure was long-term care.
Everything else was covered, and long-term care costs could have wiped them out.
So they had about 400,000 in their uh 401k, uh, and all their other assets were more than adequate for their income in the future.
And so I said, let's think about taking that two of 200,000 of that half of it, and putting it in one of these contracts.
As soon as we did that, now the way that particular contract works and they're all different, that particular contract takes the two hundred thousand dollars, then behind the scenes puts it in another kind of contract that's guaranteed, and that in turn funds the premium for 10 years, which is a pace for the product.
And they do it that way because they can maximize the benefit for the client.
So the result for the client, without getting too technical, was we took two hundred thousand dollars, we put it in this contract, it became two hundred and fifty thousand dollars overnight because it got a bonus in that particular product, but that isn't cash money for them.
This I want to be very clear about that.
It became two hundred and fifty thousand dollars day one in the contract, but there are high surrender charges on these.
They want to make sure you're not gonna take that money.
So you do not want to do this with money you're gonna need, okay.
But what it did is it then gave them a long-term care benefit of more than double that amount.
More than five hundred thousand dollars.
Day one.
But if they don't use it for long-term care, do they just lose that money?
No, they do not.
I counted on you for asking the right questions.
No, that's what I love about this.
Okay.
You can gamble.
Hey, I'm gonna do this.
My big risk is I'm gonna tie this money up somewhere, probably.
Could you get it?
Yes, you could get it, but you would pay penalties, okay?
Right which do go away over time.
So the earlier you do this the better, right?
Okay.
But whatever you don't use goes to your beneficiaries.
Oh, perfect.
Yeah, and you aren't paying a premium every month for it, like uh like an insurance policy is so and it's still growing some money, it's not a growth product, right?
You're not gonna put it in here and get wealthy.
You're doing this to uh protect yourself from this kind of risk.
But the thing about it is day one, it turns into that benefit.
Now, in this couple's case, uh I was able to put a rider on it, two riders on it.
One is an inflation rider, so it goes up by in this case I used five percent, so it goes up by five percent every year.
So they don't buy something now that five years from now isn't worth anything to them, right?
It's not worth enough to pay the the premiums, I mean to pay the costs.
And the second rider was I could do it as a joint product.
So if one of them um needed care, it would pay.
But if both of them needed care, it would pay double, it would pay for each of them.
So, and there are lots.
I mean, you really have to read the fine print on these things, folks.
There are lots of little nuances and details.
But you can tailor the policies in those kinds of ways.
That's right.
That's right.
So for one of them, just to give you an idea, I think the benefit was about forty, six hundred dollars a month.
If both of them did it, it was almost double that, or it was double that.
Uh, and I think it was a total, don't quote me on this, but I think it was a total of about six years of payout.
Two years works one way, the other four years work another way.
These are the fine details you look at.
But to take two hundred thousand dollars and turn it into that kind of benefit right away, protected them from a catastrophic uh expense going forward.
Yeah, all right.
Well, this topic is definitely something people will have questions on, I'm sure.
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I'm Jess Teller, along with the money doctor, Dr.
Francis Ram.
Hi.
Hi, Jess.
We're talking about a topic today that not everybody wants to talk about, but it's coming really for all of us.
You know what, again, you make a great point.
Why don't we all have this kind of coverage, long-term care protection of some sort?
It's pretty easy.
Exactly what I said in the beginning of the show.
I'm not gonna need to go.
I'm gonna check out first.
I'm never gonna need to hunt long-term care.
Right.
Uh and so it's I think we resist it even.
Life insurance is easier to grasp than long-term care.
We all know we're gonna die.
We don't we might not accept it, we might deal with it differently, but nobody's questioning, like, hey, I'm not gonna need burial expenses because I'm not gonna die.
Yeah, but but we all say, I mean, it's really hard to face that stuff.
You know, I'm not gonna go into a place like that, or my kids are gonna take care of me, or I'm gonna, you know, whatever.
So there are lots of different kinds of contracts like this that are not traditional long-term care policies where you pay a premium every year, and if you don't use it, you lose it, which was a big barrier for people, I think.
So some of them are indemnity.
They just, you know, here's your coverage, this is what it pays.
Some of them are benefits, like I was talking about, you get this much per month for this period of time.
Um, there they're just there are enough good ones out there now that if you were to call your financial advisor or you were to call us and say, This is what I want to accomplish, or or weed through that together to figure out what you're trying to accomplish.
That a policy could be almost completely uh tailored to your specific needs.
Okay.
And even for people who who are listening who might say, Well, I'm too old to get that, or I'm not healthy enough to do that.
Yes, these policies are underwritten, but a little differently than a standard long-term care policy would be.
In fact, I have somebody right now who is 80 years old.
Now they won't turn 81 for a few months, and until they turn 81, they are still eligible for one of these products uh that we're talking about, and it in his case it virtually doubles.
I hate to say doubles his money because it's not doubling his money, but it basically leverages that money in his case a half a million dollars into a million dollars of coverage.
Well, you know, typically you need long-term care in the last two years of your life, that's statistically speaking.
So a million dollars of coverage goes a long way for this guy, right?
Yeah.
Yeah.
Does his work out that his that money goes to someplace else like the last it does?
Okay.
Yeah, anything he doesn't spend.
So let's say he puts 500,000 in and he spends 300,000 of it under his million dollar benefit.
The balance of that 200,000 is just gonna go to his beneficiary, just like it would if if it had been in any investment that he didn't uh use all the money of.
Which I love because long-term care insurance is we're talking about, and again, that long-term care insurance is right for some people.
It's just never one a warm spot in my heart because it's so expensive, and you're you're just saying I'm just gonna pay this money in case I need that long-term care, and if I don't, I'm okay with that.
It's like I hate to say it, it's like rent.
Like rent, you know, but in rent, at least you had a nice place to live, you've enjoyed that.
Long-term care contract, you don't get anything out of it unless you need the benefit.
Right, and then you won't see that money back.
There are some, I was just gonna say there are some policies with a return of premium uh feature on them, a benefit where they give you your money back if you don't use it, but the premiums go up substantially to get that thing.
So I just think it's been it's priced out of many people's ranges.
Um even for myself, when I'm, you know, looking at my own finances and I'm saying, How am I going to protect myself from long-term care?
The first thing I did was to look at traditional long-term care, followed by I don't want to pay fifteen thousand dollars a year for coverage for me with my family history and so it just it just is so pricey.
So this isn't for everybody, but it does work for a lot of people.
So here's here's what I wanted to go over briefly.
Um, there's always this mass confusion when we start to talking about long-term care.
And the first thing is well, doesn't Medicare cover that?
Right.
Everybody says, Doesn't Medicare cover that?
So here's the thing Medicare usually now, all of these plans, private plans and public plans vary.
Medicare usually will cover the first 90 days that you are in a facility, a long-term care facility.
Which isn't very long at all.
No, it's not very long.
Yeah, and it's also maybe not where you need to be, but you might be forced to do that in order to get this care covered for, right?
After that, Medicaid comes in.
Now, Medicaid is part of the welfare system.
So Medicaid looks at your assets and your income.
They do those two tests, and if your income is low enough and you don't have much for assets, you'll qualify and Medicaid will pick up the tab for you in the nursing home.
Where it gets sticky is where maybe your income is low, but you have some assets, or maybe you have high income and no assets.
You could fail one of those tests, and when you fail one of those tests, they don't pay.
Now, where are you?
Now you're in the nursing home.
They you can't pay the nursing home, but you need that level of care.
So one of the things that I love about these contracts is they almost all will pay for home health care.
Now I know home health care is part of the long-term care contract thing now, too, but we're back to the difference in paying premiums or just sidelining some of your investment dollars to do this.
And and that's where I like it.
You're not giving up very much, you're going to a conservative product.
You're accepting some high uh surrender charges should you need to take money out of them and even those go down and they can be adjusted too they're not completely scary you know but that's the trade-off.
You do that in order to get this coverage.
Oh I mean we've all heard horror stories.
Uh will they take my house?
Yeah.
Let's talk about that for a second.
If you're married and less of us are married these days even if you're partnered right but if you're legally married they'll split the money down the middle and they'll say one spouse can keep half the money and stay in the house as long as they're alive but the other half of the money has to be spent down to something very very low a few thousand dollars okay before Medicaid will pay.
And you can dance around it and say it can be for any kind of benefit uh for that spouse like they need a car you can buy a car.
Yes you can do that but you still have to spend that money.
You're not transferring it to your kids any longer.
When the second spouse dies then that's another story if there is you know only one person left.
Now they start putting liens on your house and taking your assets and doing they don't take your assets.
They make you spend your assets.
But people work so hard to build this stuff up almost always with the hope that they will either be able to use it in retirement or make the next generation's life easier.
And along comes a long term care expense uh and it unravels all the time just to put all of it really quickly.
So if you um like you mentioned your client took money out of his 401k and did like half of it in there do you get hit by all those big penalties you do if you take out your 401k early or does this bypass that?
Well he's over 59 and a half so he had an in-service transfer available to him and we were able to 1035 it directly over without a taxable consequence.
There are taxable consequences for some of the things for instance in his case that money went so he didn't have to pay tax on the lump sum but the premiums that are coming out of that second product every year are taxable right because he's taking the money out.
He's gonna have to pay tax on that money sooner or later.
But by taking it out over 10 years to do this it was a a lighter tax bite than he would have had uh if he took it in a lump sum in his case um you asked me another question about that was it uh was there penalty oh the penalty and the taxes right yeah I just know sometimes when you're looking at your 401k you don't want to move money out because unless you reinvested in another house or whatever it might be you get hit with those big big taxes.
Yes and that that's a whole different conversation but if you're over fifty nine and a half you can probably do this without taxable consequences initially at least um and even if you have to pay the tax on it you're gonna have to pay the tax on it sooner or later anyway just you know do some tax planning talk to your accountant make sure that it's working the way you want it to work um the there are some questions that I think we should get in um before we end the show at least just a few of the kinds of things you should ask if you're thinking about this you don't need to say I want this product you know you need to say this is what I'm trying to protect here are what I have for assets and these are my concerns what what's the best way to do this I heard about this on financial fitness right so one of the questions is how do I qualify?
What kind of underwriting is there?
Are they gonna do a phone interview?
Are they gonna draw blood?
What how do I qualify for this?
Am I gonna be okay if I smoke if I don't smoke well you know I have diabetes whatever you need to know that um and don't just assume that you won't qualify.
Definitely don't assume you won't qualify for these they are I wouldn't say liberal but they are quite reasonable.
They know what they're dealing with and they have these assets which make it a little easier than just okay you're gonna pay a premium and we're gonna cover this stuff.
Okay.
Another thing you should ask is what do I have to do to if I need the benefits.
How difficult is it for me to get these benefits?
Uh one of the companies that I work with has just one person assigned to your case, and you deal with that person the whole way through.
Oh, how great is that?
Yeah, it's really nice.
Yeah.
So you're not on the phone, you know, with the one of the worst times in your life trying to figure out what to do talking to an AI getting transferred and starting the whole conversation over again.
Or not getting a human, even, right?
I mean, you need a human.
Um, so that's a question, you know.
How do I get these benefits?
Is this reimbursement?
Or is it just gonna give me the money to spend however I need to on a monthly basis?
Some of the policies are reimbursement, that means you have to collect the receipts, put them in, sort of argue a little bit, maybe about whether those receipts are qualifying or not.
I like the policies, my favorites are the ones that just say here's your benefit.
You need care, spend it.
Spend it how you want to spend it.
Yeah.
And I would I would also want to know about the taxable consequences.
That would be a big question to ask.
How will this affect me tax-wise?
Um, what happens to the money if I die, or if I because they all have death benefits too, that whole amount if you didn't use it, goes like a death benefit, like a life insurance policy would.
So, you know, what happens to this money if I die?
Who who does it go to?
How do I set up my beneficiaries?
And those kinds of things.
I there are lots more questions, but those are the those are the big ones I think you want to know about going in.
Yep.
All right.
And always good to talk to somebody about this, and you just so happen to have a phone number.
I do.
It's 413 773 33 33.
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Thank you.
Thanks, Jess.
I had all these things organized, I didn't have any of them.
But it's okay.
This morning I played for the for for Nashville.
Now I played the birthday bed.
I'm like, I don't know what's going on.
It's not a Monday.
I don't know why I'm but I just, you know, I just said that on the air.
I'm like, if it's just a hot mess day today, so I got I mean, yeah, some of that stuff, like, how much longer do we have left?
I'll cut that, but the other stuff, like, oh yeah, you said those two things.
If I don't have to cut it, I'll leave it.
You know, I don't care.
Okay, thank you, Jess.
Okay, bye.
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Hi.
Hi, Jess.
How's it going?
It's going well, and we're talking well, what are we talking about this week?
Well, it's interesting.
You know, today's show is a little bit different.
I know you're always so skilled at like, here's what we're talking about.
But the show is a little bit different because, you know, over the years I've worked with thousands of people, and I keep seeing the same pattern, right?
I kept seeing the same pattern again and again.
And surprisingly, uh, it's not what people think, it's it's not about um it's not about income.
It's not even just about debt.
Okay, uh, it's not really about managing your money well directly.
It's something much quieter, and I'm teasing this because it's such a fun riddle, right?
What what are all these?
But it's quieter.
It's something much quieter, but more profound, more powerful.
And so I finally have given it a name.
I call it the quiet pressure.
Okay.
Okay.
So today I want to talk about what that actually means and why it matters more to most people, uh, than anyone seems to realize.
This is this matters to almost every household.
The quiet pressure internally, you mean with people?
Yes, internally.
But um produced by an external well, number of external forces.
Okay.
Okay.
So until I gave it a name, it was sort of in the background, kind of like our own finances are, right?
Until we name the problem, it's just hanging around there in the background.
But here's the thing.
S in most of the people I talk to, they say something seems off, even when they seem to be doing okay financially.
When they're paying their bills on time and and they're proud of that.
My credit score is good, I'm paying my bills on time, I'm contributing to my retirement, my kids are going to good schools.
They got the whole American dream going on.
And they will still tell me, where does the money go?
Why doesn't it feel like I'm getting anywhere?
I just have a sense that something is that not as good as it could be, that there's something better that I don't have access to in some way.
And most people I think don't actually sit down to analyze it.
And so what happens is it just keeps keeps on keeping on, and that's what I call the quiet pressure.
Okay.
Um it's a it's a uh elusive idea.
So we're gonna talk about it in little bits and pieces today, but at no point will I point my finger to one thing.
I just felt like at no point will my hands leave my wrists, right?
At no point will I point my finger to one thing and say that is the quiet pressure.
Okay.
But here's an example.
We are resigned as a society to expect our mortgage to take fifteen years, 30 years, whatever it is.
We we see our finances in very linear fashion.
Um isolated.
Okay, so we accept that a mortgage is whatever the term we got for it is.
It's five and a half percent for 15 years, that's our mortgage.
We accept that a car payment is, you know, four years, six years, whatever it is.
We see them in isolated chunks because that's how they're presented to us, right?
Right.
That's logical to be able to afford this payment every month and then you can have this thing.
Yeah, doesn't that seem right?
Yeah.
Yeah.
Okay.
None of that is coordinated in some way.
So I'm gonna use a few terms today that um that maybe I use differently.
I I've created them as a framework, a language to describe what this quiet pressure is so that we can do something about it.
So there are words you'll know like coordination, right?
Right, but I'm using them a little bit differently, so it's not coordinated, and uh in other words, Jess, when you go to get your mortgage, sure they pull your credit report and they see what your debt to income ratio is at that moment as a snapshot.
Right.
There's no future coordination.
They don't check in with you every year going, Hey Jess, how's the price of groceries?
Yeah, are you still making your mortgage payment okay?
They don't care.
If they get their payment, they're done, right?
Right.
There's nothing that is coordinated between let's say the debt and the retirement, so people decide uh I have to max out my 401k or I'm never gonna be able to retire.
So let me just put as much money as I can in my 401k.
Right.
Does anybody say how's your cash flow doing?
Can you actually afford that?
Are you racking up credit card debt because there's not enough money in your take home pay?
Mm-hmm.
Okay.
Then you add to that things like health care.
Who talks to you about affordability and health care?
This is what it costs, you have to have it.
Good luck.
Right, and that's another thing that's gone up so much this year that it's really hurting people.
Yeah, exactly.
So, the first layer of this quiet pressure that we're talking about today, is that lack of coordination, that lack of a wide lens that allows you to see your entire financial picture in any effective way.
Okay.
The closest we come to this, this was almost an epiphany to me, Jess.
I'll explain about the book in a minute, but obviously I've written a book about this called The Quiet Pressure.
Okay.
Another book, yes.
Yes, just released, actually.
But this show really isn't about the book.
It's about what inspired me to write this book.
Okay.
And what inspired me to write this book is the realization that all of the people I've been dealing with individually work for someone or work for themselves.
They are part of a collective workforce.
Right.
Okay.
And that workforce is what keeps America running.
Mm-hmm.
Not as we know from COVID.
Yeah.
That's right.
That's what keeps America running.
And we're not well financially.
I I could say it softer than that, but I think most people would agree that if you're in the workforce, you at some point are concerned about your finances.
Mm-hmm.
So what's fascinating about that to me, Jess, is this is not um it's kind of like cancer.
Doesn't care who it chooses, right?
Mm-hmm.
Financial stress, even though people without much money won't believe it of people with much money, uh doesn't care about industry.
It doesn't care about income.
It doesn't care about gender or race or anything else.
It affects people in the same way, that same internal pressure, regardless of what their set of challenges are.
For some people, that's food insecurity, right?
It's as basic as how am I going to feed my family?
Right.
And for others, it's uh I've saved half a million dollars, but I don't know if that's enough for me to retire, and I'm really worried I won't be able to retire.
Mm-hmm.
That seems absurd to people, you know, like how can that possibly be affecting people the same way?
If I had 500,000, my problems would be gone.
Right.
But the fact of the matter is people experience things differently, and everything is relative.
Yeah.
So my uh hypothesis, proven over many years, though I'll call it a hypothesis, is that um employees carry to the job, not just their skills, not just their experience, but the financial timeline with which they live, right?
Uh and we we call this distraction that employees often have at work, whether anybody is logging these numbers or not.
Uh, there's a term for it, and I didn't make it up.
It's called presenteism, presenteism.
Okay, okay.
Not absenteeism, which can of course happen from financial stress, mm-hmm.
It's presented.
It's being at work while your mind is not quite there, right?
Your mind is busy worrying about all those things we're talking about, okay.
I did actually end up writing a book about this, my new book, The Quiet Pressure.
How normalized financial stress is shaping today's workforce.
Yes.
Okay.
Because that's exactly the point, how normalized financial stress is shaping today's workforce.
Not how financial crisis is causing people to stay home.
Right.
This is affecting most people at some level.
And the problem is we have normalized it.
We have accepted that your mortgage might take 15 years, that you have to make extra payments to be able to get something to be paid off faster, that you will never be able to stick to a budget.
Um, that your company offers a retirement plan, but you just can't find the money to go into it because you're not like those other people who have extra money.
We we accept these things as a given.
But I think at its core, the the thing I've objected to so many times and continue to defend people about, is this inference that if you're having any kind of money stress, worries, challenge, it you are to blame for it.
Now, alone, okay.
Okay, now I'm not I'm not trying to say, look, it's nobody's fault, you know, you make all the world's worst decisions and you're you don't have any responsibility.
That's not what I'm saying.
What I am saying is that it is, it's not what people point the finger at, which is you know what, Jess?
If you just made better decisions, you wouldn't have these problems.
You should be able to do that.
Or you cut out this and this and this from your budget.
Yeah.
It so they think it's behavioral and static.
Like you said, cut this out and you'll be fine.
Jess.
Financial outcomes are rarely determined in a single decision.
They're the cumulative result of thousands of small choices, uh, made under varying levels of stress, um, with the limited information we get, I guess, uh, and constraint, right?
We're we're in this tight little box.
I my kids are aging, and I have to get them to Disney before they're too old to enjoy it.
Everything is is in this short timeline.
So if help is only offered at the company level, and it and many companies are doing this now, offering financial wellness benefits, mostly as an add-on.
Okay.
So if help is only offered at the company level at the point where breakdown happens, where crisis happens, um, then people have to get past the stigma of telling their employer they're in trouble.
That's hard, or they have to say, I will reach out to one of these resources and bear my soul to a stranger.
Uh, it's always hard.
And this is where I really feel empathetic and sympathetic with the workforce.
If that's what really happens, then becoming capable, the more capable a person is, that becomes a disqualifier.
The more capable you are, the longer you are expected to be able to carry that load.
And you are then disqualified from needing all those crisis benefits that are offered as financial wellness.
Well, and I think sometimes too, employees there might be a little trepidation about going to tell your employer you're in trouble because then you feel like it makes you vulnerable.
You can accept what they're whatever they're going to give to you because they know you need that job.
So I think there's a fear there.
You know, there was a gentleman who was kind enough to uh come into the studio and record his thoughts about this, and he was very brave and very honest.
Um, and he said it best, I think.
When I'm at work, and all I'm thinking about is how to make a car payment, how to pay my son's tuition or my daughter's future tuition.
It's incredibly distracting.
I can't really be fully present for my students.
And they see it.
I know they see it because they ask me.
These are teenagers asking me an adult if I'm okay.
And as much as I try to hide it, they know me well enough, and that also makes me feel bad because they shouldn't be taking care of me.
You know what I mean?
It's my job to take care of them.
I know it's really bad.
And I just how do you say this to your employer?
I'm sure my employers understand.
I'm sure they know that this is going on, but I know of people who have not come to work because financial stress has made them sick.
I know people who come to work with financial stress on their mind.
So, you know, I'm grateful to him for just teeing it up and saying what was really true about how do you say this to your employer?
So when we come back, let's talk more about this quiet pressure.
Okay, in the meantime, can we get your phone number?
Sure.
413 773 3333.
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Welcome back to Financial Fitness.
I'm Jess Tyler along with the money doctor, Dr.
Francis Ram.
Hi.
Hi, Jess.
I'm fired up.
Yeah.
Well, we're kind of talking about the inspiration behind your brand new book and about companies getting involved.
I do have a couple of questions, but first the name of the book.
The quiet pressure.
How normalized financial stress is shaping today's workforce.
All right.
Question for you from what we were talking about with employers offering financial services.
If I'm an employer listening, and I know you and I have talked about this before, so I know the answer.
But if I'm an employer listening to us right now, and I'm saying, I don't want to get involved in my employees' finances.
That's their business.
That's their problem.
Tell everyone why it benefits the employer as well.
Well, it certainly does benefit the employer, but first let me just say they don't need to be involved in your finances.
And in fact, uh keeping your privacy is not uh an option, it's paramount.
It should be structural.
And the structural is the reason that it matters to employers.
So I'll give you an example.
Uh we talked about presenteism.
Your people are coming to work, their mind is somewhere else, whatever.
In in severe cases it bothers their health, all of that.
But when I say it's structural, let me use this in as an example, and I do use this in the book.
If you're a company, you don't ask your employees if they'd like to opt into health care.
It's put in as infrastructure because it's too risky for you to have employees with catastrophic illnesses that aren't covered.
You won't have a workforce left.
People get sick, right?
Yeah.
You also integrate something for cyber security as infrastructure.
You don't pick up cybersecurity once you've been attacked.
You don't say, hey, we got a problem, let's call the cybersecurity people.
Right.
You put it in as infrastructure because it's too risky not to have it, even though you might not need it ever.
Right.
You might not need it for a year, what it's insurance, okay?
So in this case, if you know that your workforce has to deal with money, and pretty much every workforce has to deal with money, then you can pretty much assume that they are worried about it at some time at some level for almost everyone in your company.
Now, the question is, what is that costing you?
I can tell you that the data says between two to four hours per week per employee.
Wow.
Is lost on this stuff.
Yeah.
Wow.
No, not.
Yeah, nobody will believe that, but if you're the problem is it's so hard to see.
Mm-hmm.
You know, you can ask your employees, are they stressed out about money?
And what are they going to say?
They're not going to tell you if they're stressed out about money unless they're really at crisis, right?
Yeah.
So what happens is employers put these plans in place, these financial wellness add-ons.
You know, here's a bank of calculators, here's a referral to somebody, here's this a webinar.
But they are judged by things that companies can see.
They're judged by how many people enrolled, how many people showed up, how many people utilize this stuff.
And based on those things, that's how they judge whether it's effective or not.
I'm here to say that financial wellness at this level, when we're talking about coordination and sequencing, which we haven't even gotten into yet.
But when you when you apply what I'm talking about in the quiet pressure, as infrastructure, then your way of understanding whether it is working or not as an employer, isn't about how many people click the button, it's about what is changing.
Are people less distracted at work?
Are your are your timelines, you know, are they able to see out into the future more when really what they've been doing is asking a lot of questions about a short-term project.
Because they're thinking in those terms.
You know, people under financial stress don't think about the future in a rosy way.
They think about now.
Right.
And that translates, it all carries with these people into work, no matter how skillful somebody is, how committed, how loyal, uh, how capable.
They are carrying this quiet pressure, and it is affecting the workforce.
And it turns out that it's very affordable.
I mean, really inexpensive for companies to do this.
In fact, in some cases, companies don't pay for it.
They just offer it to their employees.
So it's free for a company to do it, right?
I I want to be very clear about this.
I'm not saying, look, throw out all those benefits you're paying for and and you know, get the hug plan.
That's not what I'm saying.
What I'm saying is the problem is in the uncoordination and the lack of sequencing.
Okay.
So if you can apply something like what we're talking about in the quiet pressure to coordinate the benefits you've already got and apply sequencing, which I'm just going to talk about now to apply sequencing in a way that is um scalable, then you then you really start to address something.
So let's talk about sequencing.
Sequencing is the order in which these decisions get made, right?
You could say, my financial wellness benefits are coordinated, I get them all through my EAP.
They're all, you know, they they coordinate that.
I don't care about that.
But it's really unlikely that sequencing at all is involved.
In other words, think of it like levers, okay.
If I pull this lever to my budget, this lever over here changes, right?
Right.
Sequencing cares about that, typical benefits don't.
So if you pull the budget lever, your retirement account doesn't care.
You know, suddenly gas prices have gone up.
Do you change your retirement contributions?
Not likely.
Not until it becomes a crisis.
So what I'm talking about is something that you put in place, um, like healthcare, like uh cyber security, as infrastructure, because it is so important to your workforce, but it requires this is tough because it requires an employer, a CEO, uh an HR team, somebody in the C-suite level with some vision and some empathy.
I don't want to say those who don't do it don't care about their people, but you have to care about your workforce.
Right.
At least at the level of, hey, if my fork workforce was better, felt better, felt happier, you know, they'd come to work and my I would my bottom line would be increased.
It's not a morale initiative, it's not a pep talk.
We're talking about giving people that for 18 or 19 years, I've been hearing in almost every appointment.
Why didn't I know about this?
How come nobody teaches about this?
I've got some stuff through work, I go to a webinar, but I can't apply it.
Right.
So that's an important point.
Financial wellness benefits that are out there are great.
I'm glad that they're there.
What I'm talking about is the missing piece.
Okay.
So let me let me um say this because we're talking about levers.
You can go to a financial wellness webinar that teaches you about compound interest rates at work.
That doesn't change the fact that you your debt is still taking you forever to pay.
Right.
You understand compound interest rates, but nothing changed on your side.
That kind of thing adds to the pressure.
Because now you feel like, geez, I not only was doing everything right in the beginning, I'm gathering as much knowledge as I can, I'm trying to apply this stuff, and I still can't do it.
Hmm.
Or I'm still failing at it.
Yeah, yeah.
Oh, I hate that word failing, yeah.
So, I just think that you know, people really do need to understand.
If you're feeling like you're doing everything right and you're still not getting ahead, mm-hmm.
If there's one takeaway from this, you are not broken.
All right, you may be operating inside a system that isn't coordinated yet.
Okay.
And once you see that, everything begins to change.
Mm-hmm.
And, you know, I could go into a lot of history and we don't have time to do it, but I will just say that there has been a major shift in the responsibility individuals have about their money from a time in the mid-century where companies had pensions and people worked for one company for a long time.
They got their pension, that was it.
They cared about, you know, raising their kids and doing their their ledger sheet was a lot simpler.
Household budget was simpler, way simpler.
We used to get a little book and write down what you're you know, your 10 things you had to pay that month, okay.
But once we started to get rid of pensions and shift into 401ks and 403Bs and 457 plans, and put the burden of health insurance and disability and other things, dental insurance, everything on the employee.
We didn't give people any education about this, Jess.
We just said, hey, we're not doing this anymore, it's up to you.
Right.
And so we've we've done this in a way that the system has become very fragmented.
And we expect of people that they now have to do their own sequencing, which is the order which decisions are made.
Now they have to do their own sequencing, their own coordination, and their own uh implementing of these plans, with very little uh experience or resources.
And all I'm saying is it doesn't have to be that way.
There's a there is a way to do it.
I've written 300 pages about it, right?
Right.
I mean, if you're an employer and you're listening to this, you know, download the Kindle version if you don't want to buy the hardcover.
That's fine, but but take a look at this because it could really, it might be the highest ROI benefit you add this year.
Okay.
Yeah.
Uh in the world.
But when you're talking two to four hours per person per week, you know, even if you have ten employees, there's a whole 40 hour week gone.
Yes.
I I mean we could talk about this forever, but when you said even if you have ten employees, it comes to mind that uh I was recently talking to a small veterinarian clinic, and she said to me, Oh, I would give this to my employees because you know what?
Most of the time they have to go to Tufts or they want to go to Tufts or someplace because of the pay, and I can't compete.
But our average person just applying this coordination and sequencing, the average person saves a couple hundred thousand dollars.
Wow.
It's a benefit, it's a real benefit.
So yeah, it you know, it's really uh I would encourage anybody who who has an interest if this resonates with anybody.
Um of course I go much deeper in the book.
And I I just hope that that a great employer hears it, uh says, you know what?
I've been seeing that at my own Yeah, I've been seeing it at my own company.
Uh I feel like I'm doing everything right, and yet, you know, my bottom line isn't c increasing.
My company isn't growing at the rate I expected it to.
I can't see it on the page.
What is going on?
You know what?
It's structural.
Look at your workforce.
Well, on a side note, congratulations on book two is no easy feat writing a book, and how are you feeling after after getting it done?
I know that that's a lot of uh it's a lot of hard work.
Thank you.
Actually, it's book three.
Oh, book three, okay.
Book three.
Well, debt are alive and then you revised that.
I did.
So it's really two and a half, I would say.
Okay.
Yes.
Uh thank you.
It's it's feels good to have it done.
Um I made jokes about it as I was doing it, uh, because it was uh an intense book to write, and I wanted it to be a light enough read for people, but still make a point.
So I was referring it to a my own quiet pressure.
It was my own quiet pressure.
So yeah, it feels great to have it out and available, um, and people can get it on Amazon.com uh or they can call us and we'll get them a copy.
Yeah.
Alright.
And what is the phone number to call you?
Sure, 413 773 333.
And you gotta hug your money dot com.
All right, thank you so much.
Thank you.
I just want to add for employers when you go to Hug Your Money.com slash groups.
Perfect.
Easy.
Thank you.
We'll have more financial fitness next week on Franklin County Now.com.
Have you ever seen the show Severance?
No.
Okay, so the sh the show severance on Apple, um, with Adam Scott is in it.
But basically it's and I can't remember the details of what exactly they do, but they put it some kind of chip or something in people so that when you get to work, you have no memories of your outside life.
So you just focus on work.
And then when you leave work, it switches you back to so you have no memory of work.
And it's employers are the employers in this sci-fi show are doing this because of what you're talking about, where people are so distracted at work by relationships and money and all these other things, they want them just focused on their work like bots almost.
And so it's this it's a really good show.
Wow, that's great.
Yeah, it's really right up the alley of what you're talking about, but employ like employers don't get any ideas, all right.
Um that's really really kind of scary when you think about it because every employer would love to do that.
Yeah.
You know?
Well, could be easier than that but yeah yeah yeah exactly thank you just so interesting of course well it's good to see your face thanks you too financial fitness with the money doctor is underwritten by help your money permission grand is your dream will you help us spread the word about financial fitness please like subscribe and choose all thank you um so I would love to introduce our wonderful panelists who we're so happy to have today first we're gonna start with Colin Santuli he is currently the senior director of programs at San Diego Community Power um and he got his master's here of international affairs um next is Rebecca Apel who is the program manager at the County of San Diego and she got her master's year of public policy next is Tyler Valdez he is the interim energy justice director at the California environmental justice alliance and he got his master's here in the climate science and policy program next is Sean Kinghorn who is a director of climate planning at what at the Walt Disney Company and he got his bachelor's here in political science and then we have Robin Wong who is a senior planner currently at Raimi and associates and she got her bachelor's here in the urban studies and planning department and then lastly but definitely not least McKinley Lowe who is the founder of the founder of the Good Loop and she got her bachelor's here in international studies.
So the first question we have for you and you can also you know expand on your role um is how your training at UCSD in social sciences help shape your career track trajectory because we know and I've spoken to all of you that it could be a little bit windy um even from undergrad to graduate and then from graduate or undergrad to jobs and especially in things related to social sciences and climate action it's not always such a straightforward path so um we're wondering if you know in just a few minutes for each of you you could tell us a little bit about how that training has impacted your um career trajectory.
Let's see should we start with McKenzie?
Sure.
Can you all hear me okay?
Okay awesome you have to forgive me I have notes on my phone uh because I can get carried away and I'm really excited about the project I'm working on so this is to keep me on track.
Uh but um okay so when I'm thinking about how UCSD shaped my career I think there are two main lenses for this one is the way that a social science degree makes you think can maybe some of you can relate to this but our curriculum is really free flowing right we're constantly asked what are you interested in you can pick from any of these classes right you're in a class does this make sense for me does this lead me towards any certain direction that's really interesting so I had this training from UCSD that was asking me to look inward constantly having a pulse check on does this make sense and it was also encouraging me to do my own research and my own digging and I think some of the most important things I actually learned outside the classroom but in symposiums or panels like this from learning a term in a classroom like the triple bottom line or what a B Corp was and finding that so interesting so interesting and needing to learn more and I would always find something at UCSD where there was a speaker talking on this subject, um, and then the next thing that was really I think really clicked for me, and it was at UCSD was the interconnectedness of what I was most passionate about, passionate about, which was human rights, activism, environmental justice, and uh global systems.
And to me, those all felt like separate things going into university, and I was like, how do I how do I do all the things that all matter to me?
How do I pick just one?
And through my education, I learned that these are all super connected.
You can't defend human rights without also defending um environmental rights and vice versa.
Uh and I can tell a little bit more about the good loop story, which is a company I founded based on circularity and accessibility.
Um, but essentially that's sort of the lens that I developed here was that things are connected, and that I constantly need to be asking, does this align with me?
And if so, how can I find more information on this?
Thanks so much.
Um Robin, do you want to continue?
Sure.
Um, I'll start by introducing what I do because Ramian Associates is like, what is that?
Is that a law firm?
So uh we're an urban planning and design consulting firm.
Um, and I've been there since June of 2021.
Um, but from ECSD, I got my bachelor's in urban studies and planning.
Um, but actually my trajectory to planning and also climate was kind of it just happenstance.
Um I came in undecided, saw urban planning on the list of courses, and was like, oh, that's kind of cool, maybe I'll take that.
Um, and so I've been doing that uh for like 15 years now.
So um in our curriculum at uh UCSD, I think we learned how to think critically about how things are interconnected in environmental planning.
Um I my job at Ramian Associates is to write climate action and adaptation plans along with other um GHG related um projects that intersect with transportation, affordable housing, um, equity, and usually all three of those at the same time.
So knowing about a lot of different topics and how they um relate to each other, and um yeah, and like being able to take a lot of different courses that weren't only about environmental, um, environmental science or environmental planning was something that really sort of let me be a robust planner.
Um there's a lot to understand about how cities work when you're making plans and working with city staff or county staff or any other sort of planning uh body that um you need to know the full breadth of the things that a city is dealing with to be able to slot climate in in a way that makes sense for them.
Um so yeah, understanding all those different um interconnected pieces has really been helpful.
Thank you, Sean.
Yeah, I it's interesting to get to see you and hopefully get to meet you later.
And I you know, going back in time, I'm pretty certain I'm probably one of the oldest people in the room.
So when I entered UCSD, I was uh a course undeclared, um, and I actually took an environmental studies course my freshman year.
It was like that spirit of the chest.
I'm like, oh my gosh, this is what I want to do the rest of my life.
Um, and then I you know declared political science.
I had some minors, um, and I just thrived in the social sciences, like it just it just you just have that connection, but I couldn't see, like I just could not see a path with the social sciences to want to make an impact in the environment.
So it's I'm gonna take I'm gonna be a biology major that did not work well, was not good at those like core bioclasses.
Maybe I'll be an engineer.
My brother and my dad were an engineer.
I lasted one class.
Like, oh wow, I'm not good at that.
So I just early on, although I thrived in the social sciences, I just couldn't make that connection.
Again, this is like the early 90s, so um, but I just loved it and again it's feels like we're we had a cheat sheet, right?
It's that interconnectivity.
And so after I graduated, I did some um I had done a study abroad, and then I actually worked internationally.
There was no jobs connecting social sciences with environmental work in the US.
And so I worked internationally for a while, and I tried this and I tried that, and then I finally had that aha moment of, you know, you can have a national park over here, you can have a reserve over here because I was doing like hardcore research, field research, but if you don't figure out the human element, it's none of that's gonna matter.
And so I'm sitting literally in the rainforest in Costa Rica.
How did I navigate that connection sooner?
And so that's when I kind of shifted to my career to say using kind of the superpower of so the social sciences to focus on the human aspects of how are we causing harm, and it all ties back to like you know, so social science to politics to economics, right?
Because to do this work, you have to be an ambassador, and almost all the solutions exist today, right, to take climate action.
It's a people, it's a people problem, right?
You have to find those interconnections, and so you talked about like a scenic path.
I'm not gonna bore everyone in this room.
My path they got at like the outdoors, it was the most scenic path to figure it out, and so I mean that's why it's so cool for me to be here today to get to be in front of these students because this didn't exist when I was here.
So yeah.
Thank you so much.
Um, Tyler, we have another Tyler.
Yeah, second Tyler in the room.
Um, I'm sure there's more in the crowd too.
But yeah, I was my degree is unique because I was uh my program was housed in scripts or SIO, and so I did the master's of advanced studies in climate science and policy.
I think there's a couple in the room, yeah.
All right.
Um it's like it was a one-year accelerated program.
So I was probably on campus for the shortest amount of time out of everyone on the panel.
Um, and then COVID happened, so I was even here for less than a year.
But I would say, like the theme that I'm hearing that resonated with me for the other panelists around interconnectivity, because my program, you know, we learned so much about climate science and how interconnected the climate system is and how something, you know, going on, a storm in Australia might actually lead to like a drought in California or something, it was really fascinating.
And echoing what Shauna just shared, I think seeing that mirror over to the work I do now, which is like how interconnected our social, political, and economic systems are, and the work I do at Sehau or the California Environmental Justice Alliance in the nutshell is um empowering the most polluted communities in California, community members to advocate for themselves to create systemic change on a state policy level.
Um so I feel like a lot of those, yeah, lessons around interconnectivity influenced um my trajectory, but also um my program in the summer, we had a lot of guest speakers and field trips, so I I hope they continued that.
But I think getting that exposure to so many different sectors, um, different types of professions, and I think yeah, that just being able to explore the options that were available to me was um something I yeah, I'm really grateful for for my experience here.
So yeah.
Thanks, Tyler.
Rebecca.
Um, my path with uh UCSD and how that's brought me to where my career is now, um, I was also on campus for only a short amount of time for two years for a master's here, and I actually started at the county as a student worker and I've been there for about six years, just kind of growing into different positions, and I think a big piece of that is I was in infectory courses for public policy, um, learning about program design, effectiveness.
I was doing a lot of econometrics, and I was trying to think how do I apply this to government.
I always knew I wanted to work in government.
I worked in government before doing my masters, and so what my classes at UCSD kind of showed was to think of the whole picture, so very similar kind of trend of kind of looking at the system level.
Uh, there's a lot of interconnectedness, and then when you think about the human element of it, at the heart of so much of solutions and actions and program design is the people behind it and the people that it's impacting and the people that it's for.
Uh, so being able to kind of think of all angles when you're creating different policy, different programs.
Um, I took a lot of that into my work that I do now, which is primarily um really looking at different ways that county departments across the whole county of organ uh county organization infuses sustainability and environmental justice and all the work that we do, whether it be the two billion dollars that we spend on procurement and purchasing of goods and services to the different programs that we do for communities, um, so just really thinking about all the different angles that you could look at a problem and try not to just do a problem solution, problem solution, but think of how can there be a solution for various different problems, and so being able to kind of I guess think critically about a problem and being able to take the time to think about the outcomes that you're hoping to achieve and working your way backwards from the beginning to make sure that it's thoughtfully designed all the way through.
Yeah, yeah.
Thank you, Rebecca.
Last but not least, Colin, tell us a bit about your trajectory.
Yeah, sure.
And we went to the same grad school, uh, Rebecca and I, which is the school global policy and strategy.
Uh so there's a lot of probably similar themes uh across the different undergrad and graduate programs that were mentioned here.
And at GPS, the it's very much a multidisciplinary degree, interconnected, multidisciplinary, we're kind of saying the same things, right?
And so the coursework there was very similarly public policy, econometrics, um, economic theory and language, and uh with a whole bunch of other things mixed in there.
And so I would we did group projects, we had to write essays, um, we I spent a lot of time in Stata, like really doing kind of number crunching, staring at a screen, and those are my days at um on campus.
I I really had to go from one class to another, like really pivoting.
Uh the dean, I think she may have left, but uh coming from a linguistics background, like going from a Spanish class where you're fully immersion in Spanish to an econometrics class, but it it takes a lot to pivot.
And in the in the moment, I was just thinking I'm just trying to crank through my classes, but it really did kind of get it into my head on being able to operate on a bunch of different planes and at one time.
And since I graduated, that more or less has been my career.
I'm like a serial generalist.
Um I'm a I'm a manager, and I've I'm um I mostly get um paid to think critically and to help people make decisions and um and a lot across a bunch of different um uh areas, they all happen to relate to to climate because that's what I'm interested in, but these are budget decisions and personnel decisions and and and all that.
I think it really helped me coming from an interdisciplinary background and through the school I went to because that I was basically what I was being trained to do is to think critically no matter what was thrown my way, whether it was a Spanish class or or working through um an econometrics paper.
And I think that was really beneficial for me and my time here.
So, yeah, I think that's great.
Um, I definitely resonate with all the interdisciplinary environmental like studies that you guys said that you found your niche, and I'm glad everyone was able to find that as an independent studies major with that focus of interdisciplinary environmental studies.
That's really cool hearing all of your stories about that.
Um, and also on Robin's answer, I would also say that the USP department does have some very cool interdisciplinary environmental um courses that have helped guide my trajectory as well.
Um, for our next question, um I'm sure there are a lot of times this has happened.
But could each of you tell me about um one challenge you face in your career and how you've overcome it, and I think we can start in the same order.
Okay, sounds good.
Um, I guess before I talk about a challenge, I should explain a little bit about what I do.
In addition to working at a nonprofit as a marketing and project manager, that nonprofit's called population connection.
They work on the intersection of women's reproductive rights and environmental justice.
Um, I also founded a community organization called the Good Loop, and the good loop is a community clothing swap rooted in accessibility, circularity, and community.
And this idea was born from I guess a lot of things, a life experience of being a child that economically could only afford to share clothes with family and thrift, um, but also a student uh that's learning about the corpse and that when something is made ethically and responsibly, the price drives up, which ultimately we want, right?
Because that means there are fair labor laws maybe that are happening, renewable resources are potentially being used, um, but that creates a barrier for a lot of people to participate in sustainable consumption, right?
This price point might just not be accessible to many people.
Um, and with what I knew, I knew it was possible that if community just got together, we oftentimes have more than enough to share with one another.
There just needs to be a space.
So uh in 2019, I started with two clothing racks and a parking lot of a local business, and 20 people showed up to swap clothing, and none of them knew each other, and I was blown away that 20 people were there.
Um, this gained traction really quickly.
We started having a hundred, two hundred, five hundred, eight hundred thousand people coming to these events, and I was one person.
I was buying racks on my own.
I was buying, you know, hangers and all these things, and I was really rooted in this idea of like this is going to be a space that exists where people have another stop that they can shop.
Also, my event is free to everyone, so there's yeah, there's no barrier to entry, but before they make that decision to buy something from fast fashion, maybe they can come here first and see what they can find.
Um, that was my goal, just trying to introduce or if not introduce, encourage a more circular economy.
But I soon realized people come for many reasons, right?
They come because they just want clothing, they come because they're by themselves and they don't know people in the community, which is beautiful to have a space where they feel safe and they can belong.
Um people kind of come for whatever personal reason they want, and uh anywho, I quickly learned that I needed support, and that there was no roadmap for this, right?
This was like a small idea that I had that felt very simple and natural for me, um, and I had no like structure for how to move this forward and what sort of to call in for support.
So I guess a challenge for me was I'm constantly learning.
I've done this for five years now.
I'm constantly learning what needs to be tweaked and changed and who I need to bring on to help support me and how to trust them, right?
So as traction gained, I also gained a really big interest from people wanting to be involved, and our organization is really run on whoever I can hire and also volunteers.
Um, we have so many people uh asking to be a part of this, which is so beautiful, and it means to me that there's a real desire for people to be involved in this in some shape way or form.
And um, we also have businesses now that hire us to come into their space and hold this for their community.
It shows brand affinity, it shows this connection to their community that they care about the environment, that they're trying to do something that's local and and drive some change.
Um, but yeah, the challenge there's been many challenges along the way, just that I'm figuring it all out, and uh I think that I will continue to do so.
So it's just really interesting to have quick growth and try to pivot and think on your feet and trust people, but again, these are all skills I also learned at UCSD.
This is like a natural transition of everything's connected, you're moving fast, you're giving yourself a pulse check.
Does this make sense?
Does it still feel good?
How can this grow?
So long-winded answer, but those are some of the challenges and a little background on what the good loop is.
Yeah, it's great hearing about how your company has grown, and I remembered the big event that you had at UTC a couple years ago.
So yeah, that was great.
UTC hired us for the past two years for their inaugural um Earth Month, which when you think of a mall having a clothing swap, it seems like it does not make sense.
And when they first reached out, I thought it was a prank and I did not answer the email.
Um but I think that it was a beautiful opportunity to introduce to people that may be used to just only buying new, like, hey, you can also pop over here before you go and buy this and see what you can get for free.
And also everything at the end of our events is donated to a local shelter.
So even if you don't find anything, you know that your item is going to someone in need.
Um, but yeah, that was a that's one of our I think if I'm thinking of success in numbers of people we've impacted or clothing we've diverted, I'd say that was like one of our biggest moments.
So thanks for mentioning that.
Yeah, of course, that's amazing.
Um, Robin.
Yeah, um, well, I actually live in Pasadena.
So, so you know, we're coming up on one year of the wildfires, the Eden Fire.
Obviously, it was closer to me.
And one of the challenges that I faced this past year, and I would not say it's something I'm like fully over, is sort of this like emotional burnout of thinking like, oh my god, every day I have to work on things related to climate change, like climate mitigation meditation, and you know, I just had to leave my house in the middle of the night and crash in my friend's place for a week while, you know, my it was on fire.
So there's definitely it hits hard when things happen that relate to your work and your life, and you can't really um separate yourself from that.
But I think the way that consulting works is that I work on a lot of different projects at one time.
So being able to not always only think about climate adaptation and resilience, but you know, sometimes work a little bit here and there on like greenhouse gas quantification grant projects, like it's you know, you can kind of separate yourself a little bit from um what's happening um to preserve yourself and like prevent prevent burnout.
Um, but you know, coming out of that process, um, you know, I've been reflecting on that it's really important to remember that planning and everything else related to social science is not like an academic exercise.
Um this stuff is happening in real life and happening to people.
Um, so what we do is important, and yeah, I don't think that's something that I'll forget, but I'm and don't know that I've overcome that.
But yeah, climate change is definitely a very personal problem, something that affects us all.
Um, and finding community in that is really important.
So, um, we could hear Sean next.
Sure.
Um, and I think you s you called yourself a serial generalist.
Generalist.
Okay, I so I say I call myself an expert generalist, right?
Social sciences.
So, um, which means you're just always dabbling in different things all the time.
And right, but you get you have that ability to see that big picture, right?
And then nobody in this room wants to be an engineer, right?
Nobody wouldn't want to be in a building that I engineered, right?
'Cause I'm not an engineer or something else, but you kind of have that big picture, but a big uh I've had many failures.
I think failure's great if you actually learn from it.
But an example, uh when I worked at a former company at a tech company, um we had planned this our very first, we had these like really ambitious goals that I somehow pulled off convincing the leadership to sign off on, and we were gonna do our very first like off-site renewable project because we had a hundred percent renewable electricity goal and it's so exciting and made the mistake of you have all these different players, right?
You could like legal and accounting and tax and just the craziest amount of people to get something signed off because this the company had never done this structure and it's a big deal.
It's like millions of dollars of stake, and you have to do all this modeling.
And so we had gone to I had worked with all these different departments and I led the effort to go to like a you know, an EVP, right?
One of the top people in the company, and and pitched this.
Um I was super proud, I was excited and it completely bombed, right?
It was just there's no way we're doing this, this doesn't make sense, and so I kind of brushed myself off, wow, that was that was a huge failure.
Um and then you kind of, you know, you reflect and when I talk about like my like my career is I'm an ambassador, right?
So I'm always building bridges to different organizations, different people to figure out how can I solve for them, but then indirectly I'm solving for what I'm trying to do.
And that instance I didn't do that.
I I came as the sustainability expert pitching to this person was like again one of the top people, but they were in charge of like accounting and these kinds and these kinds of things, and I didn't speak his language, right?
I was speaking sustainability, and he's like, I don't even know what you're you're talking about, but this seems super risky from like a legal financial.
And so I asked, I said, Can I come back in two weeks and present again?
And he said, Yes, hesitating to to have me do it again.
So I went back to those departments and I said, Let's reach out to peer companies that we have relationships with, and I'm gonna have our accounting team talk to this accounting team and this legal team talked to this.
So I had all these same departments talk to their peers, and once they talked to their peers, they could actually speak the language.
Because I don't speak accounting or legal.
And so when we came back in two weeks, I didn't say a word.
I just introduced everyone and all of our different departments talked about what they learned from these other peer companies departments, and I just sat in the background and he signed off on it.
It was the biggest deal, and then he reached out to me a couple months later, said, This is so exciting.
Are we gonna do another one?
And it went from me getting kicked out of a room to because I had that reflection of through a failure of I wasn't speaking his language.
So that's a it's a reflection, but also like learning that in the especially in the social sciences in sustainability or climate action.
Um a lot of this is just like communication of people skills.
Um and that's it.
Yeah, you gotta kinda learn how to be like a chameleon, and how to yeah, speak people's languages, like you were saying.
Um that's great.
I was able to go through though, and they were happy about it.
Um for your Tyler next.
Yeah, I think for myself, um, I resonate a lot with what Robin was sharing.
Like doing any kind of social or environmental justice work or advocacy, it's hard, y'all.
It's like it's draining, especially in today's political climate, and it could be really taxing, I think emotionally and on our members that and our organizers, our staff, and myself too.
And I think if this if that's like a direction you want to go into, I mean, actually for any career, I think having a really this is like a little more meta, but it's like having a good care practice or practice around care, like how do you take care of yourself and how do you take care of your community?
Um, and how will you sustain yourself in your career?
Because burnout is so common, at least in my work and in our alliance.
Um, and if you do like something that's like passionate and mission driven and it's not over a nonprofit, it's I think it's typical for folks to like give so much of themselves into the work because it's more than to them a job, it's like sometimes it's like who you identify as.
Um, so yeah, I think having a practice of care has helped me a lot.
Um, and then that's like part of the challenge, but also I think another challenge that's come up in my career is like knowing when to pivot, stay at a job or like leave a job.
Um, and I'm sure maybe others have had that, like, you know, what how do you approach that?
Like, how do you make that decision?
Or yeah, when to accept like a new job offer.
And I think for myself, um, my advice to students now is to name like your top three to five priorities, like what's most important for you in a career in a job in a company, um, and let that be your guiding light, because at least for myself, like I haven't been in any place where it checks every single box, whether that's like flexibility or being mission-driven or the culture or the compensation or the benefits or the whatever it is, all the things and aspects of a job or career.
It's gonna be probably rare that you can be satisfy all 100% of them, but like what are your three to five things that matter the most to you?
Um, and let that guide you.
Like for me, it was work-life balance.
We have a four-day work week, a 32-hour four-day work week at Sehan, and that's like huge for me.
Um, mission-driven, a values-aligned organization.
I I feel very aligned with the work I do now, and then having uh a culture, a team culture of diversity of experiences and perspectives, and you know, just it's more casual than maybe like more corporate settings are.
Um, and yeah, I let those three things kind of like help me decide whether or not I was gonna leave a job or stay somewhere or accept a position, and I'm really happy where I'm at now.
So yeah, those are just some advice I'd like to share with you all.
Yeah, I think that's great advice, and I think they definitely go together, and I think that knowing when to say no and knowing what you want is very helpful for um helping with burnout as well.
So thank you.
Um, Rebecca.
Yeah, when I heard this question about a challenge, uh, I had two different ones come to mind.
Um, the first one is uh just public speaking for myself.
I am a natural introvert.
I love to just sit and do the work.
Um, but in my role now, I'm a manager, I supervise a team of four, I have to delegate.
I'm not the doer anymore, but I have to really learn like how to delegate work.
Um, but also I've had to present in front of elected officials, uh, the staff of elected officials, different executives.
So um I resonated with what other folks had shared about just the different communication styles and being able to speak other people's languages, and I think the the primary thing that I thought of for public speaking is just remembering um what does the person care about that I'm speaking to?
What is their primary goal?
What are they looking for?
Because ultimately I could share everything that I want to share about the program that I'm working on, but that's not going to resonate with them.
What are they really looking for?
And then I could give the rest of it.
We use a phrase at the county is the bluff, the bottom line up front.
What's the one sentence you could give, and then you could dive into more details to just really get your point across.
Um, but I guess for like another challenge that I'd really share too is um for the county.
We have done a lot.
We're large organization.
We're 20,000 employees, there's 40 plus departments.
Uh we now have a full board, uh, after a couple of different special elections.
Um, and a lot of what I'd share from the team that I work on, I'm in a fairly new office.
Uh we've been around for only about three years, uh, and we focus on sustainability and environmental justice.
A lot of the work that the county does touches a lot of that, but it isn't the primary, the primary kind of like outcome that people are working towards.
So a lot of the work that I have to do is trust building, it's just building relationships, it's talking to different departments and showing that what we're asking them to consider in how they're doing procurements, so like contracting services or buying products, or the way that they're doing community engagement or working with community or designing programs, it can include sustainability considerations within that, and it's not an added thing that we're asking.
Um then sometimes it can be seen that we are, you know, uh kind of coming in and telling them what to do, but it's really about how do we help kind of work in partnership with different departments and share um from kind of just a different way of thinking about the way that we deliver programs to the community or to internal county departments.
So we do a lot of internal facing work, but also as well as uh across the whole region.
Um, there.
Yeah.
Great answer.
Lots of interdisciplinary bridge builders on our panel today.
Um, and finishing up with Colin for this question.
Yeah, uh, Tyler and I were on the same, this Tyler, not the other Tyler's who are in the room.
We're on the same wavelength for this question for sure, and that is um thinking about challenges.
I I have I've been in this position for four years.
I've had a couple other roles that were for several years, but I I went through a stretch there where I I moved through jobs, and the so I think the challenge that I had was I I would get into a position and I would find out that I I really wasn't aligned with management or I wasn't aligned with the direction they were going, and um it took a while for me to get the confidence to say, well, I'm not not gonna be part of this organization if I don't feel like it I can be proud of it or stand behind it, and so um it took me a while, and it was a big challenge to kind of find that authenticity.
And so I think being authentic and to pull some of Tyler's answer, like really I finding what is important to you and being honest about that, um, and then standing behind that.
And I think that getting kind of being grounded in that authenticity really uh is attractive in any employee and any person.
So when you're when you're sitting down and talking to folks, that's gonna resonate with folks and um in the professional world and not being afraid to walk away from an organization even if uh you don't know what is next.
And I I I'm sitting here and understand I'm in a um coming from uh uh a position, I'm coming from a fortunate position, and so but I do think this this like kind of applies to everyone that authenticity and understanding who you are and being comfortable kind of standing behind that.
Yeah, I think that's great.
As a student, I feel like there's a lot of pressure to like once you graduate, you gotta find the job and you're gonna stick with it for the rest of your time in the workforce.
So I think it's really comforting hearing you guys mean like you can switch around, like you can find what you want to do.
So that's great.
Thank you.
Well, you've already started touching on this.
Um, so we don't, I mean, you don't have to if you've already been talking about these or you can think of other things, but we were just also thinking about tips for finding jobs and climate action and sustainability, um, beyond what you're talking about overcoming challenges, you know.
Um it's sometimes so overwhelming when you're looking for a job, you're graduating, you're trying to figure out what you're gonna do in the world.
So if you have any additional tips for students, um looking to go into especially social science oriented career and climate action um I don't know if we want to just keep going down the line or we can is there anybody that wants to start if anyone wants to start feel like especially excited.
Sean?
Sure.
Oh god I knew it was the middle scene you're making eye contact.
Um it's it's gonna be scenic.
Like so we've got um undergrads and grad students the the job you have what you're doing at 22 is not gonna be what you're doing at 32 or 42.
You just want to be on a path like you've got that North Star and again it's like if it's circularity or it's climate action or whatever that is you just need to stay within that those boundaries like what again like talking about authenticity.
Like I am so ridiculously passionate about what I do but I've worked in all these different industries but I get up every day and I go to bed every night thinking about I'm gonna make try to make a difference to the world and to the point earlier with kind of like burnout or or that is I've also had to reflect back on my life is I have the best job security because I've spent my whole life committed to this and the world's in worse shape.
So I have to motivate myself to get up and then say well what if we weren't doing this right and things can change in the future.
But to the point so the the tips is you don't have to find the perfect job right at school.
You just gotta get moving and also I mean again going back in time there was no jobs.
Like the word sustainability didn't exist when I started.
Now there's so much opportunity in so many different industries and none of those titles have sustainability or climate in it could be a startup or a nonprofit or something else.
So I just think inertia getting moving and I know the job market's tough right now even if you know you want to be an entrepreneur, right?
Maybe out of college you can't find the position that you love but you go and work for I don't know a hotel or retail or whatever you can make your mark in that role.
You can say oh I noticed that we're super inefficient in the kitchen.
There's a lot of food waste you you can build a job internally like that.
So I'm just I I'm I know that you know when you graduate there's pressure to get a job you can find your place but um be patient but just start moving.
And again things are gonna change but if you if you're on FitTick and you know you're super smart and you're passionate you're you'll you're gonna find your way.
I would not sweat it.
I mean the world needs every single person in this room to focus on it.
So there's always a pathway.
Thank you.
Yeah I I try to tell my students that all the time as well like sustainability and climate action is everything everywhere right it doesn't have to be the job title.
It's actually just every job's a climate job.
Every job is a climate job yeah exactly who else yeah I can give a uh a tip or advice and it's kind of cliche but there's probably a reason why you hear it on every panel like this and that is uh getting out and meeting people early in your career could not be more important.
I give a shout out to Mike Ferry who's in the audience here.
Mike gave my first job uh his ECSD staff member he gave me my first job at a local nonprofit called the Center for Sustainable Energy.
And that that came from an internship I got but I think that internship maybe been the the this was in 2010 that I applied for that internship.
That's the last job I kind of applied to cold without knowing anything about um and then Mike probably hired me because I was an intern at that company and then when I left that company the people who I well that nonprofit the people I'd work with including Mike helped me get my next job and then relating back to what I said before when I was in a position where I knew I was not aligned with my my management I felt comfortable leaving because I knew that there were people in the community and especially in San Diego San Diego is so small and I knew that um I that I was wanted to stay in San Diego.
So if you know you want to stay in San Diego and not the case for everyone but if you know your state of San Diego and you know you want to work in climate, it is small.
There's you're gonna know the the people who are working in the space um before too long.
So I I think you mentioned earlier, like there's a lot of panels as a student here, you have so much opportunity to get out and meet different folks, and you never know where people are going to end up.
And so I really do think there's a lot of value in just uh getting out meeting folks and um and building that network, it sounds like kind of cliched and cheesy and corporate, but um, but it's true.
It's it's really valuable to to get out and and have a a group of folks who know you and and know what you're interested in, what you're passionate about, and um, and who are interested in you, yeah.
Thank you.
Okay, I say um really impressed Colin described all that without saying networking, which is like the trigger word, it's like networking, oh, but it's yeah, that's so important.
So true.
Um, yeah, I'll just like plus the that, like network, network, network, and it could look different in many ways.
It's like going to different events, you know, it could be LinkedIn, messaging someone to have a virtual call or virtual coffee.
Um yeah, the community in San Diego is so small.
I remember in grad school, I was like, I was on the streets, like I was out there like at every event, trying to like bump shoulders with people and get a business card.
So yeah, definitely encourage that.
I think a couple other things I wanted to touch upon was around um inertia.
I think like there's for me, I'm like such a like analytical right brain person or and it I can get into analysis paralysis and you know, have to like map out my entire career before I even take the first step.
And my advice has always been to like start somewhere, even if you don't know where to start, just start something somewhere.
I mean it's like reaching out to someone, going to that networking event, applying for the job, reading a book on the career you want to get into, like just start something, anything is better than the like sitting around, you know, being in uh paralysis.
Um and you're already doing it, you're you're here, and you're in this room and you're in your programs, so kudos to you.
And a couple other advice that I want to give is um around the plans.
Like we talked about the like twists and turns and like it's just I have it's been a bumpy road, y'all, for me to get here, like it was not linear at all.
Um, and I've yeah, I've uh you know a networking piece came in handy where you know I applied to certain jobs, and at some point people are just reaching out to you about a new opportunity.
But um, my little like phrase is have a plan, but be ready to change that plan at any moment, like at least have an idea of where you want to go in the next three years or you know, whatever time span you want to be, have a one-year plan, a three-year plan, a five-year plan, but like know that things are gonna change along the way constantly, um, and just be open to that and embrace it.
And then the last thing I would say is, you know, the plan can change, but keep your goal the same.
Like whatever your personal mission is or what you want to achieve in your life, what legacy you want to leave, what and how whether that's through your career or that's things outside of the formal job, um, yeah, it's like plans will change, but if you have a North Star, you at least will find your way again.
And I yeah, I think that was shared earlier.
It's like keep to the North Star.
Beautiful.
Can I just add one thing?
Yeah, based on what he said, um that I forgot to say.
Um, life never gets less complicated over time.
So at this age, like there was no work for me.
This is again a hundred years ago.
So I just went and worked internationally.
I just went and worked for like room and board, right?
And so as life gets more complicated over time, right?
You're making a life choices, you make married or not, or you have kids or whatever.
Um, so in those early years of after graduation, go and see the world.
Like the reason I'm sitting here is because I actually went and traveled and worked for basically nothing.
But it gave me that social science background of like seeing new cultures and communities and how different people live, and that's that that kind of throughput of why I'm so passionate about it.
So if there's no jobs here or someone else, just go out into the world.
That's great advice.
Sorry, took them more time.
Yeah, so we're gonna throw that in.
No, because I think it's really relevant also to like that flexibility is part of it, like the flexibility in your path and also the flexibility of where you are and how you're engaging with your North Star.
You know, I mean, that's part of us being resilient.
Yeah.
Can I can I say one thing?
Yeah.
Um, you touched on Amy that climate work is everywhere, and Sean, you're also talking about, you know, take take this first initial job, though it may not, you know, align with everything that you want to align with.
There may be food scraps in the kitchen, and you can create a solution there.
Like you can find solutions for what you're interested in anywhere.
And I think on that note, and it also probably sounds cliche, but there's never a right time where you're gonna know everything and you're gonna be ready to dive in and have all the answers.
A lot of it is taking baby steps, especially if you're gonna start something on your own or on the side, and just just start.
Just start, get that inertia, get that momentum moving, and you're gonna learn along the way.
Um, and and that's how I don't know, things can evolve.
But I guess yeah, my my advice is just start somewhere, and if you're passionate about something, keep that in the back of your mind.
Look for solutions and don't be afraid to start small.
Awesome.
Robin, Rebecca.
Yeah, um, it's actually good that I'm going after you because I can kind of give some examples.
Um, after I graduated from UCSD, I worked at the county of San Diego at the zoning counter.
Um, which is like, you know, you get yelled at when people want a fence or you know, they want to do something crazy with their house.
Um, so I did that for a year, and you know, to be honest, I never intended to do anything with environment.
I kind of thought I would do stuff about housing.
So zoning made sense.
It was also the only job I could get.
Um, so um, you know, the way that I got into environmental stuff was just because it was time to get promoted, and then our supervisor was like, Well, there's two jobs available.
One is in code enforcement and one is on the climate adaptation or the climate action plan.
Which one do you want?
And I was like, I guess the climate action plan.
So that's like kind of how I am where I am today.
Um, I just happened, you know, that happened to be the opportunity, and I didn't actually know anything about it before.
Um, and I just learned everything at that time, and I still don't feel like I knew anything about my current job before I started.
So to McKenzie's point, you know, a lot of technical stuff you learn at the time when you're in a job.
Um like on the job because every place has like specific ways of doing things.
There's like protocols and things you need to do related to greenhouse gases and methods that the state tells you to do for climate adaptation related things.
So you never have to like know those things yourself.
You can just like if people can tell that you're able to learn, and you know, you do learn those things quickly, you know, you'll do great.
Um, so that's kind of how I ended up where I am and um I will say that for students when I was in grad school at UCLA, I would really encourage you all to take every opportunity that you can to do something that's like kind of fun and interesting, slightly related to your work.
Like at one point I had three different jobs where I was writing a report for OPR, which is now called LCI.
Um, I was working with a Japanese architect, and then I was also working at a climate nonprofit, and all those things just kind of added up to me being an interesting person and knowing some stuff about climate, knowing how to work with interesting and sometimes difficult people and clients.
Um, so you know, all those things kind of ended up pushing me into where I am today, um, without me ever really intending to.
So the windy path seems to be um a theme here.
Yeah, and I really appreciate the advice that you don't have to know everything about the job when you get into it.
Oftentimes we don't, we learn it once we're there.
Um, Rebecca that was actually exactly what I was going to say is that um uh I have found myself in different roles at the county.
Um and I've had to kind of build my own job description.
So I kind of have to decide, okay, what am I passionate about?
And you kept mentioning your North Star, and I think I'm still trying to find mine.
I think I'm still figuring that out.
I've kind of I started at the county as a graduate student worker while I was doing my master's.
It was great, it was tied to what I was currently doing around food systems, and I just kind of kept f let it pandemic hit, and I just kept kind of finding different opportunities across the county.
Um, and they were kind of offered to be in a way, so I think that was my other piece of advice too, in terms of the networking with different folks, but also networking internally.
There's a lot of different roles in a lot of different organizations that don't really understand until you get to know what that person is working on.
Um, and similarly, I will just say this across the board for kind of government jobs.
The title is not descriptive at all.
So read the job description, especially for the county.
I think over the last few years there's been a lot of work done on our recruitments about being really clear about what the job entails.
But I think it ties back to what you were saying too about being aligned with the agency or the mission is if the organization itself is has values and that mission that is aligned where with where you would like to work, even if the job isn't the dream job, it's still one step in your path.
And I think that's a key thing that if you're able to align with what the mission is or what the organization is working towards, that's a really key thing for you to feel part of the larger team, um, as well as your day-to-day work.
Um, and I think that's something big that like I have found a lot of value in.
Um the county has gone through again a lot of twisted turns, but um overall, as as like a large organization, um, with them having uh like we have sustainability at the core of our mission and values, as well as equity and community.
Those are huge pieces that has to drive all of our uh programs and operations.
So if that wasn't there, there could be a different misalignment of what I was looking for.
Um so I guess at the end of it, I always tell people this about government jobs, just really read the job description.
Um don't don't get discouraged by the way that it's titled.
It's just how it is, um, unfortunately, but there is a lot between the lines, and I'm more than happy to help with anybody if you're interested in um county jobs in that sense because I feel like it is it's it's just an odd way to read a job description.
Thank you so much.
Um we have some time for questions.
If anyone here would like to ask questions to our panelists.
Yeah, go ahead.
Um, how do you deal with the unpredictability of the federal administration and their impact?
Um, how do you how do you reconcile with uh administration that is kind of anti-everything to stand for?
I can speak just very little bit that I I grew up outside of DC and my uh most of my family aunts, uncles and grandparents.
They worked for the federal government, and they so like think about 30 years from like the 60s, 70s on, and they kind of always just had in their head that you know the administrations are gonna come and go, this is obviously different, clearly this is different.
Um, but I try to keep that in the back of my head that like if you zoom out big picture, this is um hopefully we will look back in six years and be like, man, that was that was crazy.
Um, but we're back in on the right path.
And if you like zoom way out, there have been some some kind of pretty serious 90 degree turns at the federal level, and we've all kind of ended up back towards like democracy.
So that that helps a little bit.
Uh my personal role, uh, community power is not directly impacted.
There's other people at my agency who we were impacted by tax credits going away, and that impacts how we buy power and it impacts how we can um offer lower rates to our customers and keep prices down, like all the things, the reasons we're there.
So I'm uh a little shielded from that, and so I recognize other people probably have different answers.
But I have that perspective, I think is at least it keeps me saying on a day-to-day basis.
Mackenzie, I think you also had a comment.
Yes, trying to think how to position this.
So, um outside of the good loop, I mentioned I work for a nonprofit that works on the they work on essentially um international access to reproductive health care.
And so we're directly tied to what the federal government decides to do with their international funding.
Um, and I know this is a very specific answer, but it's just the one that I can offer our organization when the when the federal government changes position, um, like the one they're in now in federal uh aid is stripped away, our organization shifts towards directly donating to global partners so that we can help keep clinics open um and remain offering services that are crucial for life.
Um, but that's not something we've always done and has been something we've shifted towards because of the federal government.
Um, and I think often look if you are looking for jobs, looking for jobs um in the private sector, right?
So like Airbnb has an impact department, right?
So it's a social impact department.
When national disasters happen, like the wildfires, they pivot and they have um opportunities to give housing to those who are in need, or if something happens with the federal government that puts our community in danger, like that's a whole department within Airbnb.
So looking in the private sector or looking at nonprofits who have the ability to sort of shift and change shape when disaster strikes.
I don't know.
Yeah, you're not here too.
Um similarly, um, the office that I work in is not federally funded, so we aren't directly impacted in the work that we're doing.
Um, it does kind of bring a different lens for what we have to be aware of.
Um, but I think it also just further reinforces the work that we're doing and the importantness that we have to keep doing it.
Um I think it also goes back to some of the conversations we were having about just the different audiences, and it's just a different way of talking about the work that we're doing.
So um resiliency, for example, um that's oh and like adapting to the way that extreme storms keep coming through, that's still gonna be uh community safety resiliency.
It's just a different way of talking about it.
So um something that we kind of tell ourselves is trying not to get wrapped up in it too much, but just reminding ourselves that this is why it's so important, and just understanding who we're speaking to and making sure that we can um kind of adapt our terminology so that it does resonate.
Yeah, again, it's like climate kind of being a part of everything, being able to change how you talk about it.
Yeah.
Did anyone else want to respond, Robin?
Yeah, I can jump in.
Um for our climate plans and actually all of our plans that our firm, um, our firm is what we we call ourselves mission driven, so like sustainability and equity are part of our mission, and so we're not compromising on that.
Like if someone wants to say you can't say equity, then okay, we'll call it priority communities, whatever.
Um, like it doesn't matter what it's called if you know we intend for it to mean something and we build into the plan that way.
Um a lot of what I build in for climate plans is from the state.
So the state laws are still in place, whether or not we're gonna meet our goals with changes at federal policy is a question, but you know, when we're doing caps, we still have to point to the fact that there's, you know, we have to reduce 40% emissions by 2030 from 1990 levels and carbon neutral aim for carbon neutral in 2045.
So we still if people are like questioning what's happening because of the federal government, it's like, well, the state is still on the hook to do this, and um, if you want to do a cap, you have to kind of align with what the state needs to do.
So we have this state laws sort of protecting the climate planning that I'm working on.
Um, and there's still a lot of things in like general plans and other things related to climate and general plans are for like 20 years, right?
At least some are longer when they don't update them on time.
So, you know, there's no need to like freak out and like change the way everything is in our plans because they're gonna be really long anyway.
So that's like kind of been our position.
Like we'll change the way things are called if you need to, we'll disguise them a little bit, we can cut back to the bare minimum that's required by state law, but like it's still there for now.
Yeah, I think if we were at the University of Mississippi it'd be a very different conversation, but in California, we have like we're very, very fortunate um to be somewhat protected um because we have a strong uh state government and funding from the state government.
Nothing against Mississippi, but where any other state.
Yeah, no, just the ad maybe more texture to that, like, because we do a lot of work at the legislature, the state legislature and regulatory agencies.
Um, I think there is a ripple effect uh where what's happening at the federal administration influences of course the state governments and there are themes of like deregulation um and like neoliberal type of policies um and perspectives like influencing what's happening at the the state right now.
Um and of course everyone, you know, it's probably everyone has a different perspective, but from our stance, it's like it we see this influence, and so um we're still thankfully, you know, California's way ahead in many ways and protected and but also there's always a risk of us also mirroring and going backwards.
Um, and so uh one of the like frameworks that we apply in our work is the just transition framework.
I don't know if if anyone's heard of that before or it's from the Climate Justice Alliance and movement generation, um, but it's this really complex framework and a beautiful graphic online, you can look at it.
But like there's these two kind of like components that I'd like to emphasize.
It's like in order to go from where we are now with this like extractive economy and militarism and like authoritarianism taking over to like this regenerative economy and deep democracy, like there's this what has to happen is a transition and it has to be based in justice, hence the name just transition.
And there's like these two key like pillars, which is like we need to fight the bad.
There's all these bad things we're fighting, and then we have to build the new.
We have to like move towards this actively build towards this new vision.
And I think during times like now, um with our current federal administration, it's like we want to continue to build the new, but a lot of our focus is like going in back towards like defending what we've already won, um, defend like keeping our protections for our communities, whatever that looks like, and actually like yeah, fighting the bad becomes more the focus again, um, which is unfortunate because it's like it's so rare when we get to like dream and vision and picture what solutions work for our communities and aren't just coming from top down or super technocratic.
It's like yeah, what it uh we have less I feel like um space for that.
Um when yeah, so just to kind of add maybe some more nuance, but overall, I guess California's um better off than many other states.
Good day.
Do you want to move to another question?
Does anyone have another?
Yeah, we have more time, yeah.
Yeah.
Good afternoon, everyone.
Thanks for so much for your time, all the great information.
Uh my name's Zayn, I'm part of the climate science policy program, so those rifts over the Dow.
Um, as a as we try to think through what a career in the climate action or climate space looks like.
What are things that surprise you in your career in your career path for the good or the bad um in this field?
Do you repeat the question for audio?
Surprises along the way.
A good or bad surprise.
I uh yeah, I can um maybe take a stab at a uh like I think something like a surprise that came to me in different roles I've been at different places.
It's like yeah, people don't know what like community engagement means.
Um and I mean SECP's pretty good at it, I would say, and you know, maybe there's a lot of opinions out there, but like, I yeah, I don't know.
I've just been in places where it's like people are surprised, like when you propose like we should talk to people that live near this proposed project and see how they feel about and they're like, oh, that's such an interesting idea.
Like, you yeah, you can like yeah, just people's understanding of democracy or or environmental justice even and like what that means in terms of like distribution distributive just justice, procedural justice, all this and uh yeah, I think that's just something that's surprised me when it comes to like climate action work.
I've been in places where it's like, oh wow, okay, like do we even have a shared understanding of what like community engagement can and should look like.
Um and now you have like the boom of AI and what yeah, what that means for like how people are engaging even with each other and and like how maybe companies may try to like yeah, like I don't know, it's like am I gonna be really talking to a pr human that's um in on this project or is it gonna be like you know, virtual system, whatever, things like that, but I think there's yeah, I think that's just something that's surprised me is like wow, people.
And there's a lot of education that can be done around um justice, yeah.
Um I would Zane.
Sorry.
Um I would say probably the biggest surprise and kind of aha moment is um the power of storytelling.
So again, I've just been in this space for so long.
I'm sure everyone here has been to so many conferences over the years, and I just kind of stopped going to most.
Um because the communication was just so poor, because you you get excited a new job and you go and it's like I'm gonna go to this conference, and whoever's the lead sponsors on the stage and they talk about how everything's going so great, right?
And then the next goal sponsor stands up, and then I'm thinking, well then why are we in such bad shape?
Like there wasn't honesty about someone standing on state saying we're doing really good over here, but we're really struggling, and then can anybody in this room help me?
Maybe we could collaborate, right?
And even more so what would happen in those kind of conferences, but this is this resonates across all of climate and sustainability, is it doesn't resonate outside that room, right?
You're not talking a common language, and I think you spoke earlier about meeting people kind of where they're at.
Um and so I'm gonna give a plug for the cameras to Project Drawdown, which is like my favorite climate nonprofit.
So John I'll send this to John Foley, who's the executive director.
Um he lives in rural Minnesota, he'd moved from the Bay Area, and he's just this amazing climate communicator.
And so I um when I get a chance to talk with him, you know, he lives in a Red County in Minnesota and he talks about like just meeting people where they're at, right?
Um the cost of groceries, like your energy bill, um, supporting community, healthy food, like kind of again, always talking about building those bridges.
Um I think I mean it it's sadly it's a big surprise, but I mean I feel like that ability to storytell, that's literally um number one reason I joined Disney.
Because the thought, even though so I don't know my job description, the thought of Disney leaning into storytelling about you know, I have a dream, right?
And what what could that dream be about a better future?
Disney's pretty good at storytelling, and so my hope over time is that we can kind of lean into that, right?
Creating a handprint um about doing that, but that's probably my my biggest surprise if we don't generally historically we haven't done a good job of communicating that's gonna engage the common person.
I have one too is um how both slow and fast government can be.
Um and the reason I say that is because um it we all know it like government red tape that just there's always gonna be a lot of hoops to go through, but um I'm really fortunate in the office that I work is that it's a really new dynamic kind of office that we are able to work through a lot of new programs and projects really quickly.
Um and you actually said something that related to what I wanted to say too about community engagement is um a challenge that we've faced is meeting expectations that our elected officials or executives are looking for that really is needs to be rooted in community engagement, community priorities, but also has a timeline that is sometimes doesn't align with thoughtful community engagement.
So it's just the balance of the two.
Um I would say is probably like the biggest thing that we're still just in general grappling with because there are at the end of the day actions or um policy or direction that needs to be moved forward, but that all is rooted in what community really wants or individuals or different populations.
Um so I'd say that in that sense, both from a community engagement perspective, like how quickly we could put something together, but also how slow it could take of just getting food at an event can take.
So just those things are uh continual things that we're we're working on, but are um both surprises to be still six years into working in government.
Yeah, we have time for about one more question.
If anybody would like to ask any more.
I have a question that is inspired by what uh Sean does, but uh you know, it's it's what everyone.
No, we have a changing regulatory environment.
Um and um so my question is for a private company like like East C.
What are the incentives to care about sustainability?
And I'm asking these because you know, the students here might end up working for for a private company.
And uh we've seen that some companies seem to care as a go, then they've changed uh direction.
So what is it in your opinion that drives the interest of a company to care about issues that relate to climate and sustainability, is the founders, is the pressure from shareholders, is the customers.
What is it?
So did you call my name, I'll I guess answer for so it depends on the company, right?
I've worked with some companies that lean in more or lean out, right?
Um my current company, it's written in the values from the founder of the company.
Um, so again, the power of storytelling, but also um actually knowing the values of the company and the founder of and why it was founded.
Um, and so again, we the conversation about the current administration, um, and so people like like myself have those conversations all the time, whether it's personal or professional, but the values of a company don't change every four years, right?
That's like the foundation of why you why you exist in the world, whether personally or or professionally, and so I think again working for a company that has that that's a it's like as your career goes along, that's um I'm just a crazy idealist.
Like I just need to be aligned with what the company's beliefs are.
And then when you get those rocky, stressful times, you know that you know that the company's gonna try to steer the right direction.
The company makes a mistake all the time, right?
That those core values stick.
Um and again, I think the other interesting thing, probably most people don't know, I didn't actually know at the time was, you know, when while Disney is a founder, right, who's famous for a lot of other stuff, that his first like awards in film were actually doing uh wilderness conservation documentaries.
Right?
That's in his founding.
So there's quotes all over the company, and I created a whole list of why he did that and the and the importance of biodiversity.
He didn't use biodiversity at the time, but conservation protecting the planet.
Um that goes back to the founder.
So when you're in a tight conversation or a certain environment, you kind of like that's why we're here.
So at least for depending on the company you work for, having that just rock solid values and the morals is is helpful.
I think I can add something to it also, um, at least from a standpoint of working with brands that are deeply rooted in sustainability like Rivian, having a well, if we think about all of us in this room, right?
We're fortunate to grow up in a space where we have access to information.
We understand that the climate crisis is something that everyone interacts with at all points in their life or at some point in their life.
Um and companies are aware of this too, right?
And they're also aware that our power of choice is everything.
We're going to choose to buy from, support, learn from organizations that uphold our values.
And so when a company like Rivian, or maybe it's a company that just has a sector about sustainability.
Um they want to, well, at least in my experience, they might want to partner with the good loop because I'm going to create a space where their community can interact directly with this part of their business and feel this sense of like, I see me in you.
I care about this, and so do you, and therefore my choice is going to be to choose to buy a car from you, or to read in your library because you carry books that are about the topics that I care about, or um support Disney because you know you care about this and so do I.
So I think maybe that's more from a businessy standpoint, but I think the incentive for companies to care about climate, um, are because they recognize that all consumers are not all consumers.
I'm I'm being hopeful, right?
That that consumers care about this as well and will have have the power of choice and will choose to align themselves with companies that also believe in what they believe in.
We really want to thank you for being here.
It's so special to have such incredible panelists.
And it'll be my tenth lecture.
I would have thought you'd had enough of me by now, but this is a special topic that I don't usually talk about.
And today I'm going to do something different.
I'm going to refute my former self.
In my own view, that's quite hard to do, but.
So 20 years ago, I argued that the Kantian hope for another life, a life after this, in which happiness was somehow made commensurate with displayed virtue, was a decent and comprehensible hope.
However, I concluded that this hope is dashed by ontological considerations deriving from the nature of our continued existence over time.
I then offered a surrogate, a way of living on in the onward rush of mankind.
Today I want to show why I was wrong.
That decent and comprehensible hope is not dashed by such ontological considerations.
Even if we are essentially body embodied somehow or other, our present embodiments may not be our only embodiments.
This will be philosophy, so in addressing the question of the afterlife, I'll be working with both hands behind my back.
There'll be no appeal to theological considerations, and no reliance on religious experience.
Even so, I believe that philosophy can teach us something.
Okay.
So here's something that modernity mostly lost.
Fear of the afterlife.
For who would bear the whips and scorns of time, the oppressor's wrong, a proud man's contumely, the pangs of despised love, laws delay, the insolence of office when he himself might his quietness make with a bare bodkin.
To grunt and sweat under a weary life, but that the dread of something after death, that undiscovered country from whose born no traveler returns, puzzles the will and makes us rather bear those ills we have than fly to others that we know not of.
A patient seems to be traveling upwards from his body through a tunnel into a bliss-inducing white light.
As he moves in the light, dead relatives, perhaps even old pets, are encountered.
Some are presented with a detailed review of one's life.
You don't have to be a conventionally religious person to have a near-death experience.
The famous atheist A.J.
Eyre had a near-death experience, and his then wife remarked, Freddie was much nicer after he came back from the dead, which is saying something.
If you know him, knew him.
So they're reported by their survivors these experiences as lucid disclosures of reality.
Unlike many drug or apoxia-introduced hallucinations, apoxia low oxygen state hallucinations, the experiences are not fragmented and they are vividly remembered.
They have what William James called a noetic quality.
They feel more real than ordinary perceptions.
Significantly, many patients who report such experiences no longer fear death.
Many make changes in the direction of being more helpful to others.
Indeed, some who undergo near-death experiences report a sense that this life is a distracting precursor to the real life that was revealed to them after they died.
As yet, I've found no robust evidence of distinctive knowledge of the external world that could only be gleaned from the ostensible vantage points of the disembodied or better reembodied subject undergoing an NDE.
If one's left one's body and is looking down upon it, then one could be expected to take in facts about the emergency room, facts that are not available to the normal viewers standing on the floor.
Experiments have been proposed and even partly performed, but what we do not have is a decisive case that clearly passes the obvious test.
And twenty years ago I commissioned a cartoon that effectively presents the obvious test.
We see an emergency room in which a cardiac arrest patient is being resuscitated by doctors.
Mounted high up on the back wall of the emergency room is a sign visible only from the ceiling of the room.
The messages on the sign change regularly, and they are hard to unsee once seeing.
Eater Joe's, Medicare won't be paying for this, or if you can read this, you're already dead.
Now I note that there's little scientific interest in this quite precise and possibly momentous empirical question.
Are there ever viewers looking down from the ceilings of emergency rooms?
It's a quite precise and possibly momentous question.
Is the lack of interest in the question due to fear of the very idea of the afterlife as a revival of quote-unquote unscientific nonsense?
Or is it because we already know the answer?
If we know the answer, how exactly did we come to know the answer?
Neuropsychology reveals correlations and patterns of dependence between mental states and brain states.
Does neuropsychology then settle the question?
This is your only life.
My claim is only if it supports a form of reductive materialism.
In particular, the thesis that we are identical to, or nothing over and above our familiar quotidian embodiments.
We shall see that's false.
So talking about travelers, here's some travel advice.
If you're ever in Toledo, Toledo, Toledo, Spain, do make your way to the church of Santa Tomay.
As you enter the vestibule of the church, turn to the right, and then you will see in an alcove, El Greco's great masterpiece, perhaps his greatest masterpiece, the burial of Gonzalo Ruiz, Count of Orgaz.
Here it is in full.
And Gonzalo was a very pious man.
As he was buried near the church of Santo Tomay, the mourners were astonished to see Saint Augustine and Saint Stephen having the good grace to come down from heaven to officiate and convey Gonzalo's earthly remains to his tomb, while an angel ushered his soul, depicted just above the middle of the painting as a nebulous infant, up through the birth canal of heaven, so to enter the next life is the relief, and I think I have a.
Yeah.
Here's the nebulous infant entering the birth canal of heaven.
And here are the remains of Gonzalo.
Okay.
So what's the point of that?
I'm just noting that in the near-death experience and in El Greco's burial, what has left the old body behind that death is represented as an occupant of space.
It has a location and a point of view, be it on the furious operations of the emergency room or on the emerging delights of heaven.
The point is, if what survives is called the soul, it's not clearly immaterial.
It may be no more than the original person, be it the dead patient or the pious Gonzalo, differently embodied.
This is not Cartesian dualism, which has it that the soul is an immaterial substance capable of separately existing from any material embodiment with which it happens to interact.
The alternative non-Cartesian thought is just that though we are essentially material beings, we nonetheless might come to have embodiments other than these familiar quotidian embodiments.
Recall John Locke obliquely disparaging Descartes' defense of the immateriality of the soul by highlighting a doctrine of superaddition.
A mind maker, who Locke thinks of as God, has made matter think and can do it again.
This is from the essay, all the great ends of morality and religion are well enough secured without the philosophical proofs of the soul's immateriality, since it's evident that he who at first made us to subsist here as sensible intelligent beings, can and will restore us to a like state of sensibility in another world and make us there capable to receive the retribution he has designed according to our doings in this life.
And therefore, it is not a mighty necessity to determine one way or t'other for or against the immateriality of the soul, as some over-zealous have come forward to make the world believe.
I think he has Descartes in mind.
So here's the thought.
Perhaps we're capable of surviving somatic death, the death of the rest of our body as still functioning brains.
Perhaps we could then undergo, that is, survive, slow replacement of our neurons by artificial chips which mimic their function, so that we are no longer organic beings.
Even so, I claim we need some material embodiment to implement our agency, to subserve our perceptual memory, and other experiences, to interdependently give embodied expression to our emotional life.
That is, we can't survive without some material embodiment or other.
That's the concession to materialism, but not to reductive materialism.
It raises the question what exactly is matter?
It's an empirical question.
And the most basic answer comes from quantum field theory.
What appears to us as matter is a highly complex process, namely successive distributed perturbations in interconnected quantum fields.
This is a summary of a long story.
We've discovered that the manner of being of matter is process-like.
Particle talk is a useful façon de parlais, but the swarming particles do not enter crucially into the calculations of how the quantum fields evolve.
About matter, Heraclitus was right.
The matter of the gold ring, the matter of the gold atom, that's always in flux.
So if we are material beings, our embodiments are process-like.
They are successions of complex distributed events that collectively appear stable at the miso and macro levels.
Even if we reject this deflation of particle talk, even if we think in the end the particles can't be made to go away, we will still be left with embodiments which are ever-changing swarms of particles.
These swarms are also processes spread out across time.
So what is embodiment?
There are certain maneuvers due to my former colleague David Lewis, which I want to set aside at this point.
They could come up in the discussion.
But Lewissian manoeuvres aside, the reductive materialist rejects the very idea of re-embodiment after death.
Our familiar quotidian embodiments are our only embodiments.
This is your only life.
Now, what is this relation of embodiment which holds between a conscious agent and that agent's material makeup?
The reductive materialist has two options.
The first one really isn't any good, but they like it.
The conscious agent is either numerically identical with one and the same as her total embodiment, her total multilayered process-like material embodiment, or she is nothing over and above that total embodiment.
Nothing over and above is an idiom crucially in need of explication.
But for now, think of this example.
Chemical events are nothing over and above complex events which are describable in the language of atomic physics.
As in the formation of a covalent bond, chemical event is nothing over and above the juxtaposition of pairs of mutually attractive valenced electrons in the outer electron shells of non-metallic atoms.
The coming into being of a covalent bond is nothing over and above the coming to be of this special kind of juxtaposition describable just in the language of atomic physics.
This notion will be central to this talk and our understanding of why reductive materialism fails.
Okay.
So here's a surprise.
I don't want to dwell on this too long because my philosophical colleagues know this argument all too well.
Here's a surprising fact, which I think points to the error that the reductive materialist has made.
Given the process like nature of matter, reductive materialism implies that ethical life is not workable.
Indeed, is simply otios.
Now a corollary of the argument that follows is that ontologically reductive Buddhist views to the effect that we are either identical with or nothing over and above total mental streams, lifelong streams of subjectless mental events, has the same implication.
Given such reductive Buddhist ontological views, and that doesn't exhaust the inventory of Buddhist ontological views.
But given such reductive ontological views, we'll see that Buddhist ethics is a contradiction in terms.
Now that may seem like a grand claim, but the surprising fact is a consequence of an argument which is not easy to follow, but is easy to follow once we understand the notion of moral worth and the similarity constraints on moral worth.
So this is where we're headed.
First, an argument for this thesis: any reductive processive account of the continued existence of human and humans and other animals, when combined with widely accepted claims about bearers of moral worth and so moral status, implies that ethical life is unworkable.
Then a clarification of what ontological reduction comes to, which allows us to see just why reductive materialism fails.
Finally, a non-reductive account of embodiment, which opens up the possibility of our having embodiments other than these familiar quotidian embodiments.
That's where we're going.
Okay, so what's moral worth?
Well, here's a way into it.
What?
Obviously, plants, the vegetative kingdom, the earth, the seas, these are all things that can be damaged, but they can't be wronged.
You can damage a plant, but you can't wrong it.
That's puzzling.
What kind of being can be wronged morally by actions and actors which threaten or undermine the securing of those goods required to live a life that's a good life for the kind of being in question.
Well, I'm just using beings with a moral status as an umbrella term for that.
Ethical life is in large part a response to the distinctive moral worth of beings with a moral status.
Their worth demands moral respect, including significant sacrifice on the part of reasoning agents when they recognize the prerogatives and protections due to beings with a moral status.
Non-conventional, that is real ethical life, is demanding.
There has to be something deeply impressively significant about moral worth if it's to rationally impose sacrifices on reasoning agents who encounter moral worth in themselves and others.
I say we adults have become inured to the impressive thing, which is embodied agency.
Contrast toddlers who are fascinated with animals as embodied agents.
So here's my own view about the ground of moral worth.
I say that the ground of moral worth is being a conscious will, a conscious value of value that can act to secure the values presented to it.
Once conscious values of value appear, things happen because of conscious valuing of value.
Those animals, which are conscious wills, have species relative values presented to them by evolved forms of affectivity, which they characteristically act to secure, they characteristically act to secure those species relative values disclosed in these ways.
Thus the species survives.
Things began to happen because of conscious affective appreciation of value.
Though the values appreciated were species relative, the higher order value of valuing those species relative values is not tethered, is not a species relative value.
It's the ground of moral worth.
For all the glory of the vegetative world, the higher order value of consciously valuing and consciously acting to secure what's presented as valuable was absent before the appearance of embodied wills.
Then the earth felt its worth.
Might remind you of the hymn.
So, that is as it might be, the argument that follows doesn't depend on my own view of moral worth and moral status.
It'll go through on any account of moral status which respects at least one of the following similarity constraints on moral status.
If X and Y are duplicates, just alike, abstracting away from their environment, then if X has a moral status, so does Y.
If the only difference between X and Y is in respect of what happens after they each cease to be, then if X has a moral status, so does Y.
If X and Y do not differ in morally significant respects, then if X has a moral status, so does Y.
Okay.
So reductive materialism, wedded to the best empirical account of what matter is, has it that we're either identical to or nothing over and above our total, that is lifelong processive material embodiments.
Now a subprocess of a process is a perfectly good process, no less real than the larger process which includes it.
Nor is a sub-process ontologically dependent on the larger process which includes it.
If anything, it's the other way around.
Many, many of the subprocesses of a lifelong person process are very person like, at least as the reductive materialist understands persons.
Those long enough lived subprocesses, let's call them personites, either duplicate possible lifelong person processes, or do not differ from them in morally significant respects, or differ only in what happens after the long enough sub-processes cease to exist.
Moral nihilism aside, the reductionist should hold that person processes have a moral status, so given reductionism, all of the long enough lived sub-processes of a given person process, that is all the person's personites, also have a moral status.
That's disastrous on any ordinary understanding of ethics because of the entailments of moral status.
But just to illustrate how this argument works, imagine the case of Dumb and D, two identical twins raised in symmetric environments where they're monitored, modified, and manicured regularly in order to keep their body and brain functions and hence their mental life as similar as possible.
Dumb dies before D.
Dumb dies at midnight on New Year's Day 2025, half an hour before D dies.
Could be a duplicate of the person dumb.
So since the person dumb has a moral status, so does D-Remember on the reductive materialist account, the person dumb and the personite D- are either identical with or nothing over and above long processes.
Here's the picture.
So we've got two persons, two person processes, dumb and d, with a long enough subprocess of D, namely the personite D minus, which duplicates dumb.
And this argument generalizes to all the long enough lived processes long enough in the sense that they could match a possible person.
Okay.
So why is that disastrous?
It's disastrous because this explosion of moral status makes ethical life unworkable because of the entailments of having a moral status.
And A and B capture these entailments, most of them.
The objective life enhancing interests of a being with a moral status counts morally.
And in any morally acceptable calculation as to what to do, that being's interests count equally with the same interests of any other being.
Secondly, a being with moral status generates moral claims, claims which give others certain non-negotiable ends, such as reasonable benevolence directed towards that being and its legitimate interest, along with certain inviolable side constraints on the pursuit of goods, constraints, which in the absence of very considerable counter-reasons rule out such things as causing the being to cease to exist and imposing significant harms on such a being, absent its being compensated or consenting.
So here's why ethical life is unworkable.
Part of the story.
For all forms of prudential self-sacrifice involve imposing costs on a vast multitude of personites who undergo the sacrifice but are no longer around when the possible benefits might accrue.
We're ethically required to be cold to the needs of others for all forms of self-sacrifice, period, involve imposing costs on a vast multitude of personites in the absence of their consent or compensation.
Moreover, we're ethically required to be rootless for all forms of making demanding commitments to others, most notably promising and keeping promises, impose costs on a vast multitude of latter-day personites who did not exist when the commitment was made, but who suffer the costs of keeping the commitment.
From the fully informed reductionist point of view, the intimacies of close friendship are now seen to involve sheer impertinence on a massive scale, for they're imposed on a vast multitude of recently arrived and morally considerable beings, latter-day personites again, who had nothing to do either with the forming and maintenance of the friendship or with the background of established consent, which makes those intimacies ethically acceptable.
From the fully informed reductionist point of view, our practices of reward and punishment are hopelessly scattershot, since they unwittingly target a vast multitude of latter-day personites who did not exist at the time that the meritorious or condemnable acts in question were performed, and so on and so forth.
Now you might think this is a straight-out reductio ad absurdum of the reductive materialist account of our embodiment, and more generally of any attempt to treat human beings and other animal wills as nothing over and above that classic phrase again.
They're complex lifelong processes.
But not quite.
A non-normative ontological claim, like our embodiments are processes, and we are nothing over and above them.
That's non-normative ontological claim.
There's no deductively valid argument of the form if P, then ethical life is unworkable or otios, so P is false.
That's not a valid argument.
I can present various counterexamples to it if you like.
Here's the way I think about it.
I think that the best explanation of these ethical absurdities is that the reductive materialist account of our embodiment is misguided, a fact which we shall independently establish.
Once you independently establish that, you can see these as symptoms of exactly the way in which the reductive materialist goes wrong.
So then, after showing that, I'll close by offering a non-reductive account of embodiment, one on which we need some embodiment or other to survive, implement, and to be interdependent with our mental life.
Necessarily some such embodiment, but not any particular one.
That's the view.
So what is ontological reduction?
That should be clearer than it is.
Part of the reason why it's not clear is that ontological reduction is often been confused with intertoretic reduction, which was an important relation for the old positivist ambition to demonstrate the unity of the sciences.
Demonstrating the unity of the sciences is showing us that physics, chemistry, biology are all talking about the same thing in different ways.
But we're interested in a relation which, as I would put it, holds in rerum natura, that is, it holds independently of our patterns of theorizing and the relations among them.
And in particular, though identity was an important condition for intertoretic reduction, when it comes to ontological reduction, identity is not only not required, it drives ontological reduction out.
So here are some marks of ontological reduction.
Reduction is a preservative relation.
The reduced is not eliminated.
So here's a nothing but claim where what's described is really eliminated.
Unicorn horns are nothing but narwhal tusks, or on some views, demonic possession is nothing but religiously elaborated psychosis.
These nothing but views really deny the existence of the thing described, and say what is left over.
And of course, that's what the Australian materialists, including Lewis, did.
They eliminated the mental by ignoring its internal intrinsic character, and then concentrate on the functional role of the mental, and then delivered the result that that functional role was played by a brain state.
But this combination of elimination and identification of what's left was not an ontological reduction.
It was more like unicorn horns, the mental, are nothing but novel tusks.
So here are the three marks.
Reduction is a preservative relation, it's not elimination.
The reduced is nothing over and above the reducing.
The reduced owes its existence and initial nature wholly to the reducing, and not vice versa.
It's an asymmetric relation.
So that the reducing is ontologically more fundamental than the reduced.
So atomic physical events are more fundamental than chemical events.
This has a consequence, namely that the reduced, the thing that's reduced, that is nothing over and above the reducing, plays no basic explanatory role in accounting either for its own existence or for the fact that its existence is wholly due to the reducing.
To include the reduced in the explanatory ground of that fact is redundant, because the reduced is nothing over and above the reducing.
That's very important.
That is a crucial step.
And I kind of owe this idea to Karen Bennett, philosopher at Rutgers.
So here are some examples of what I've got in mind.
So here's something that uh you might think is true.
Axe.
It lies just in the nature of the particular event, of affixing a particular axe head to a particular axe handle, that a particular axe comes into being wholly in virtue of the affixing.
So there are two things going on here.
One is an embedded grounding claim, that is a particular axe comes into being wholly in virtue of the affixing.
But what's important is that that grounding claim derives from just the nature of the particular event of affixing a particular axe head to a particular axe handle.
So axe is kind of longhand for the coming into being of the axe is nothing over and above.
The affixing of the axe head to the axe handle.
And that's ontological reduction.
The reducing event, the affixing, itself accounts for both the reduced, the coming into being of the axe, and the fact that the axis coming into being is wholly grounded in the affixing.
Here's another example salmon.
Here's how to make a pathetically minimal tomato sandwich.
It lies just in the nature of the particular event of placing a slice of tomato between two comparably sliced pieces of bread, but a pathetically minimal tomato sandwich comes into being wholly in virtue of the placement event.
That's long hand for, but coming into being of the sandwich is nothing over and above the event of placing a slice of tomato between two comparably sliced pieces of bread.
And again, that's on to logical reduction.
The reducing event, the placement, itself accounts for both the reduced, the coming into being of the sandwich, and the fact that the sandwiches coming into being is wholly grounded in the event of placing a slice of tomato between two comparably sliced pieces of bread.
Now here's the sign of a successful reduction.
You get something from those silly examples.
As exemplified in axe and sandage, the sign of a successful reduction is that the structure of the reducing event explains the structure of the entity that figures in the reduced event.
Why?
Because the structure of the entity that figures in the reduced event is what it is wholly in virtue of the structure of the reducing event, the affixing or the placement.
Accordingly, there's no puzzle as to why the axe that comes into being originally consists of that axe head affixed to that axe handle.
Likewise, there's no puzzle as to why the sandwich which comes into being originally consists of that slice of tomato and those pieces of bread.
Generalizing successful reductions are scrutable in this no puzzle sense.
They show us why the structure of the reduced is what it is given the structure of the reducing.
So now I note that materialist reductions mental events aren't scrutable.
This is really an argument to the following effect.
The mind body relation is not scrutable.
Once you get very clear about what reduction is, that in itself is an objection to reductive materialism.
That's the sort of argument that I'm now about to deliver.
So mental events, a particular mental event M, say my now seeing this audience before me, is reducible to a physical event P, say the underlying photoneural event of the light stream coming from you, stimulating my retina, producing a sequence of neural firings, continuing across the optic chiasm, and on through regions V1 through V4 in my occupital lobe.
That's all true if and only if it lies in the nature of P that M occurs wholly in virtue of P.
That's the form of a reduction of a mental event.
It just lies in the nature of the physical event, that electrochemical process, and maybe in the case of seeing the photonic electrochemical process, the long process coming from each person that I'm seeing, it just lies in the nature of that event, that my seeing you now occurs wholly in virtue of that event.
So the difficulty with that is the mental event of my now seeing this audience before me has a fourfold structure.
It's the presentation to me of a plurality of people under a visual mode of presentation, which involves a dynamic mosaic of gestalt grouped expanses of colour.
The long photoelectro, the long photo electrochemical event extending from the people I'm seeing to V4 in the back of my head, has the structure of matter energy propagation.
That's not presentation to a subject.
Moreover, the photonic and electrochemical events involved have nothing like the structure of a dynamic mosaic of gestalt group expanses of colour, the language of vision as we know it.
So, likewise, reductionist accounts of persisting persons are not scrutable.
Here's a reduction.
The continued existence of a person or animal is reducible to a complex lifelong stream of material processes, if and only if it just lies in the nature of the lifelong stream of material processes that a person continues to exist wholly in virtue of the occurrence of the complex lifelong stream of material processes.
But persisting persons and other animals have a moral worth because their wills, that is, agent causes, but can act in ways made intelligible either by reasons or by the evolved affective modes of presentation which make for harmony between the surviving animal and its habitat.
A lifelong stream of material processes exhibits only event causation mediated by matter energy propagation and exchange.
There's nothing in the structure that is anything like an agent acting intelligibly on a reason or acting intelligibly in the light of its being presented with affectively laden manners of presentation of significant features of its habitat.
Materialist reductions are not scrutable.
And the fact that they're not scrutable is a reason to doubt them given what ontological reduction is.
Think of it like this: just as the assertion of numerical identity does not make for a surprisingly different structure between the things identified, so being nothing over and above, which is very close to identity, does not make for a new structure in the reduced, that is surprising given the structure of the reducing.
Given that the reduced is nothing over and above the reducing, where did the extra surprising structure in the allegedly reduced come from, if not from the reducing events or processes themselves, the reductionist cannot account for the new structure, which should not be there given the nature of reduction as a super internal relation of the sort illustrated by Axe and Samage.
For the philosophers, once reduction is properly clarified, the so-called explanatory gap is itself an argument against reductionism.
I think we've just missed that because we weren't thinking clearly enough about what reductionism is.
So we need a non-reductive account of embodiment.
The reductive account fails, we're neither reducible to nor identical with our embodiment, and if we were, then ethical life would be unworkable, chaotic.
So our basic manner of being is to be embodied wills.
That is a characterization of what it takes for us to exist and continue to exist, not a listing of two essential parts.
Our embodiments and our wills become topics of thought and talk, they're brought before the mind by abstracting away from other particular features of our utterly particular natures, which are natures predicatively and essentially the natures of embodied wills.
Embodied wills and not their embodiments are the bearers of moral status.
A particular embodied wills embodiment is something we can attend to and thematize, but it's an abstraction from the full undivided particularity of the embodied will.
Given that a persisting embodied will is not reducible to its embodiment, what exactly is embodiment?
What makes it the case that a particular stream of organic processes, including mural processes, is my embodiment.
The key idea goes by way of three non-reductive notions of grounding.
They have the same structure of the natures of things, grounding, and other grounding claim.
Here they are, subserving.
A physical event subserves a mental event if it lies in the nature of the physical event and the mental event, so not reductive, that the mental event occurs in virtue of the physical event, that last M should be P.
So that's the example of my seeing the people in the room, and the underlying photoneural process.
It lies in the nature of both of those, that my seeing all of you in the room, is an event that takes place in virtue of this underlying photoneural process.
Then there's implementation.
A physical event P implements a mental event M.
If it lies in the nature of P and M, both of those events, that P occurs in virtue of M.
So if you believed in agent causation, you might think that what happens in the case of agent causation is take Li Bay's view.
I produce a mental veto, and that veto makes it the case that a particular physical event doesn't happen, and that would be implementing because it lies in the nature of that physical event that it implements a mental event, that is, it lies in the nature of that physical event and the mental event, that the physical event occurs in virtue of the veto.
There's also interdependence, a physical event and a mental event are interdependent.
It lies in the nature of both of those taken together, the physical event occurs if and only if the mental event occurs.
And now we can say what our embodiment consists in.
My embodiment consists of those physical events that subserve, implement, and are interdependent with the mental events of which I am the subject or agent.
Remember, we've argued against a reductive account of the persisting person.
And so we can help ourselves to facts about which mental events are have as their subject or agent, that persisting person.
My embodiment consists of those physical events that subserve, implement, or are interdependent with the mental events of which I'm the subject or agent, plus the animal body, which provides ongoing support for those physical events.
Kind of just what you would thought.
So what's the false premise in the explosion argument?
On the handout, that's the no difference argument.
We can say, reductionists cannot say, namely, none of the complex extended processes that are dumb, the person dumb, the person D, and the personite D- are persisting persons.
Dumb and D are no more than the total embodiments of two very similar persisting persons.
And D minus is a proper temporal segmentation of the embodiment that is D, a segmentation that happens to duplicate the embodiment that is dumb.
Embodiments are not bearers of moral status.
They are particular aspects, abstracted out from the full particularity of an embodied will, the real bearer of moral status, nor is a will considered as a particular capacity of an embodied will, a mental substance with a moral status.
The embodied will, the person in her full particularity, is the agent who wills and is the bearer of moral status.
Persons, as the reductive materialist understands them, that is, as identical with or nothing over and above their embodiments, are not bearers of moral status.
Premise 4 in the explosion argument, the no difference argument, fails.
So how does the non-reductive account of embodiment bear on the possibility of an afterlife?
The first thing to notice is that the non-reductive account of embodiment is entirely consonant with the discoveries of neuropsychology, in particular the evident dependence of mental events on brain processes.
That's all in place.
That's the subserving of mentality by neural processes.
Nor do I think there's a neuropsychological discovery which shows that implementation never occurs.
Remember, Li Bay did not claim that.
The second thing to notice is that our embodiments vary over time.
Although the basic manner of being of an embodied will is present at each moment of that embodied will's existence, its detailed embodiment necessarily changes over time.
The cross-time requirement is that each at each is that at each time one has some embodiment or other, not that our embodiment at one time is the same as later times.
So even if we are essentially embodied beings, that is a determinable essential aspect of our basic manner of being.
What's required for us to continue to exist is some determinate embodiment or other that will subserve implement and work interdependently with our mental events.
There's no way to deduce from the nature of embodiment and the basic manner of being of an embodied will, that an embodied will's determinate and variable embodiment in this life is essential to it.
That's where I went wrong 20 years ago.
The decent and comprehensible hope for another life in which one's happiness is somehow made commensurate with displayed virtue, is not dashed by ontological considerations deriving from the nature of our continued existence over time.
It's metaphysically possible, possible in the broadest sense, that is consistent with our basic manner of being, that there is another life.
It's not ruled out by our natures as essentially embodied wills.
But now some of you came here wanting to know more.
You wanted to know whether there will be another life.
All I can say is it's an empirical question.
One that admits of experiential verification in the life to come, if there is one.
Thank you very much for your.
Uh thank you, that was thrilling.
Um I haven't quite got my head r yet round the notion of embodiment that you're using, which is very interesting and intriguing, but uh I'm not sure if this is quite the right question to ask to help me get around it.
But you use the notion of the nature of a physical event.
Um suppose I'm a neuroscientist, and I'm also an eliminator an eliminative materialist.
So I I mean these characters are always saying what we really need is higher resolution imaging equipment.
Um so suppose I've got really great high resolution imaging equipment, and I look at the brain, I see all these brain events going on, I write catalogues of them, um, I keep cranking up the resolution.
Um, but I don't believe there's such a thing as the mind or the self.
Um so i am I right on your picture, I'm missing something that lies in the nature of those neurochemical events.
Um, I think every everyone should should uh agree with that.
So the reason everyone should agree with that is that if you think about what ontological reduction is, the thing that backs the idiom is nothing over and above, it's a transitive relation.
So I take it that the neurophysiologist thinks the real structure is found in particle theory or quantum field theory.
Sure.
I just keep up the resolution.
Let's let's uh as a good um reductionist about things where reductionism could turn out to be true.
And uh it's very clear that in particle theory and quantum field theory, there's nothing like the fourfold structure of a mental event.
Of course, I'm just echoing Brentano here.
The presentation to a subject of an object or a content under a manner of presentation.
So um the argument I gave didn't appeal to the transitivity of reduction, but once you get that in mind, everyone should admit that until you get to particle theory or quantum field theory, you're missing out on the real structure of physical events.
Okay, so uh this relationship of being capable of being um embodied by different substances, always has to be embodied by some substance, not always the same, seems to be very similar to the hardware-software relationship.
And there's also the fact that you have that kind of four level of presentation, I think, in that the software has to have a computer that can read the software, and it also has to have a person who's running the computer and all that.
Which is really this whole thing is that the mind is really, whether if it is software, it has this relationship of a brain-body world nexus has got to be seen as the embodiment of the soul, not just the brain.
And many of the mistakes that the reductives were making was assuming to be the d the brain.
Does that more or less on track with what you said?
Yeah, and uh I I like your last remark.
I think um.
So there was a famous philosopher uh in the Berkeley uh philosophy department for a long period of time, Donald Davidson.
Oh yes, right, yeah.
And uh Donald Davidson thought the proper form of a theory of meaning was a statement of truth conditions for the language in question in the style of Alfred Tarski.
So for Davidson, you had these things like snow is wide is true in English if and only if snow is wide, and reference to snow and uh cities and to people, all of that was supposed to drop out of the truth conditions of the language.
Um one of Davidson's students, Wallace, um, uh pointed out that you can permute the references and the extensions of predicates in ways that gave you really a totally different language.
So here's an example with a fragment of Australian.
Um in this little fragment, there are two names for cities, Sydney and Melbourne, and there's one relational predicate is to the north of.
Um Sydney is to the north of Melbourne.
But now we can permute uh the reference of Sydney and Melbourne and the extension of is to the north of, and save that truth by having the term Sydney denote Melbourne and the term Melbourne denotes Sydney, and the relation is to the north of has the same extension as we would intuitively say to the south of.
So to get back to your question, I was thinking the environment's very important, and your relationship to the environment is very important in securing basic referential connections.
That's why I was talking about the photoneural event, which subserves seeing.
So this idea of the our mental life is locked within our heads, is a useful model for certain purposes.
But if we wanted to give a basic account of original reference, you'd have to think about this really quite special relationship between the mind and its environment.
And there's no real way to tell good evolutionary stories about how animals adapted to their habitats that leaves out the fact that they had to be in touch with the structure of their habitats on the basis of perceptual experience and the affectively loaded presentations which give the animal default pathways in its habitat.
So I like this sometimes called the ecological picture of the mind.
Thank you.
There's a very interesting presentation, and uh I wish I could say I could wrap my head around the full argument, but I'm brought back to uh the example you brought up earlier of the ER, because I remember uh reading one of these early reports, and uh I'm sure there's been more work since then, but uh basically it was a zero for N.
That is that not a single person who uh uh described an out of body experience, uh Edith Joe's or anything like that.
Now, admittedly these things don't happen very often, so they were the data were sort of crawling in, but I'm wondering, uh doesn't that um give us a sense of the limits of those reports and does it change our understanding of uh of that there's another life uh or maybe it suggests that these people were just imagining them floating and they weren't really in the what seemed like a noetic experience was really something else uh does it does it uh uh draw a boundary about what we can think about such experiences.
I know the study um, and out of a hundred patients, only two reported uh near death experience, and um so there wasn't a great database.
On the other hand, I'm totally agnostic about what's going on in near-death experiences.
I would like to see them uh I mean, all you'd need is um like a few hundred um laptops.
They could be placed on high cabinets in emergency rooms, tilted in such a way that they were only viewable from the ceiling, um, and um if someone said um, or enough people said, and as I was going up towards the white light, I saw the most incredible thing, either Joe's, and the timing was right.
I but didn't just guess at this, that'd be enough for me.
It's an empirical question is all I'd say.
Hey Mark um I I guess I just want to hear a little bit more about the alternative embodiment possibility that you're that you're pointing toward at the end.
I know it it does look like it it's gonna require some animal body that will um give ongoing support to a side of physical events that's standing the stand on the right grounding relation to um uh to my mental events what one question I mean if we're if we're in the hospital room uh yeah you know it seems like we we don't need to do your thought experiments because there's there's no animal body that could be that that could be um subserving good uh this this alternative embodiment and so so there's that question and you know e even if we abstract from that possibility it seems like what's what's going on I mean are we what we would have to be taking over another biological okay existence in a way that seems at odds with your ecological conception of so what was going on uh on the first question uh I very quickly said in a line in the uh PowerPoint um uh perhaps we could survive somatic death as disembodied brains and perhaps as disembodied brains kept alive and functioning in certain way um we could uh undergo slow replacement of neurons by uh chips which played the same information role so biological embodiment is not required on the second question you're asking something quite important I said um we're essentially materially embodied so what is this uh diaphanous infant or uh if we believed in near death experiences is revelations of what awaits us what is this being that's up there on the ceiling they're not animal bodies now the way to think about this not I'm not endorsing this but a way to think about this is there's a kind of emergent matter that can uh be may maybe it's electromagnetic in form there's a kind of emergent matter anyway which can uh subserve and implement our um mental life perhaps for a short period of time before we're fully embodied so um you might be very skeptical about this kind of matter but if the deliverances from the ceiling turned out to be the surprising ones that would be the place to look all I was saying with John Locke was we don't need to postulate spiritual substances even if the news from the ceiling is incredibly surprising.
Hi thank you thank you very much.
One thing I noticed from the beginning of the talk to the to the end is it's determinedly individual.
You're talking about it it's all the perspectives you're describing or as far as I can understand it the perspectives of an individual's experience with with embodiment with c continuity.
The naive notion which I can represent beautifully because I'm naive is people are here uh if you you if you ask people um do we continue to exist pretty much the first response you're likely to get is we can this we continue to exist in the context of a community of people who support each other in some way.
There's some there's some matter there to use your term that is the description of a community that's also embodied, frankly, in quantum field mechanics, right?
So things don't exist in individually, they exist in relation.
So I wonder if you could talk about that kind of um tension.
See, this is very good.
It raises the question of whether the next life would be a life worth wanting, and you might think it's not a life worth wanting unless it's a life with others.
Um there is in the theology that I was taught as a boy, a distinction between the beatific vision, which sounds like you're entering into the joy of God's inner life individually, and what is called the kingdom, which is a um uh situation in which uh as Paul says we are changed, but we are together.
And I think that the only life to come that's uh of interest is a life with others, but of course, I I um made a vow not to go into theology or religious experience, but if you ask me, I'll say no, but if you keep asking me, I'll tell you what I think.
I won't do any more.
Okay, hi, thank you.
Um I'm just trying to understand um a little bit better, and I wonder if I'm on the right track when you talk about rejecting um reductive materialism.
What comes to my mind is like the whole is greater than the sum of its parts, or you talk about emergent just emergent qualities and I wonder if that's relevant to what you were talking about.
It's highly relevant.
Um, so philosophers make a distinction between weak emergence and strong emergence, really interesting terms, right?
Weak and strong.
Often the the weak isn't strong enough and the strong isn't weak enough.
But weak emergence is really a point about our limitations.
So um if when you're doing chemistry, it would be uh inept and sort of unworkable to use just the language of atomic physics.
That's the sense in which chemistry is weakly emerging.
Strong emergence is something um not reducible to the base, comes into being as a result of the base taking a certain form.
You might you might think the beginning of life is like that.
Tom Nagel, my friend and former colleague uh got booed for saying that life was like that, that um the the union card was taken away from him.
Um like some of these things which you hear physicists say, turn what they're required not to go to to continue to do physics, they turn that into this is the nature of reality.
So there's no downward causation is a famous example of that.
I myself think emergence is problem, strong emergence is problematic on philosophical grounds.
It's usually modeled by thinking that as well as the basic laws, say, of uh particle theory.
There are other laws.
So these laws are generalizations which have an antecedent and a consequence, something like, you know, whenever you uh throw a potassium uh piece of potassium into water, it explodes, something like that.
Antecedent, consequent.
Um that's not a basic law, that's derivable from fundamental laws in particle theory.
But the idea of emergence by law is the idea of fundamental non-derivable laws, whose antecedents glom on to some complex material or neural thing.
Most of these complex material or neural things are ontological trash, as I put it, that is in their nearest vicinity, there are a host of things just like them that differ from them in trivial ways, but have different conditions of persistence.
And one thing about fundamental laws of nature is they they have no truck with ontological trash.
That's one problem.
There's a fundamental law of nature that tells you once you've got extremely rarium, all sorts of things happen, all sorts of things happen that can't be explained by the atomic structure of that atom.
Also, there's a technical problem with these um uh uh emergentist proposals if they're popping individual embodied wills, these laws are not Markovian in the technical sense that the consequence is not like a Thursday spell made on Monday.
Thursday spell made on Mondays like this.
I cast a spell on somebody that'll operate on Thursday, but there's no intervening causal connection that makes it the case that it happens on Thursday.
It just happens on Thursday, because that's the way spells go.
There's a spell like character to emergentius laws, which pop a self, because the underlying neural condition in the law looks like a condition that you could get into once and then twice, and then you're stuck with thinking, well, either it pops another self, or once the self comes to have a body, it defends the body against another self popping.
These laws are very strange, right?
A better view is uh a view that doesn't have any of those problems, is a view like Locke.
There's a mind maker with the capacity to make matter think on individual occasions.
Thank you so much for your presentation.
Uh it's uh really an honor for me to hear such uh uh a lucid explanation of uh your your point of view about uh uh wonderful.
Uh and um my question is um it seems that uh the line of argument uh views ontological reduction as quite basic.
It is this true.
So my question is uh I feel your argument is uh like uh extremely interesting and uh probably decisive in some sense against a strong form of uh m materialism, uh, but um I'm wondering uh would a view of um uh taking phenomenology or the phenomenological reduction as primary uh I'm having trouble seeing would this translate into an argument for or against it or it's like off the chart, it's uh so you think any thoughts.
You think of husserals, yeah, of course.
Exactly, because uh embedded in the argument throughout is uh like subjects that have certain properties uh such as uh they have a moral status and things like this, however, if you take noesis and noema, uh it's not a subject, it's uh it's a process and the object of of it, so like you cited Brutano earlier, but uh more of uh naturalistic brittano where there is some kind of subject, whereas my understanding of phenomenology is there there isn't a subject per se.
Yeah.
So here's the way in which I think of the subject, it's the person, it's the embodied will, or it's the animal, it's the embodied will.
Uh nothing special about the self.
Um there's a lot of carry-on about the self and a lot of forms of denial of the self, but here's a little fact.
Uh it's like a um semantic triviality, that the function of I in English is to pick out the author of the utterance or thought in which that token of I occurred.
Now, here's a question.
For that to be a useful semantic rule in the language, how do say embody wills like us, have to be in order to use I in accordance with that rule, and the answer is well, at least we have to be aware of ourselves as the authors or agents of the thoughts or tokens, sorry, of all the thoughts or utterances in which token occurrences of I occur, but that awareness of yourself is just the awareness of the agency of a particular embodied will that is you, no superlative self.
Now I would ask about Husserl whether he really is at odds with the superlative self, or whether he wants to make the extraordinary claim on the basis of the phenomenological reduction, that there aren't all of these animal wills around us that are embodied, it just seems to me to be uh an empirical matter of fact, easily ascertained.
My personal question is I become extremely as I get old, very extremely curious about the answer to this question, and I wonder if you are, you will either get the answer when you die or you won't.
Um are you at all looking forward to dying and finding out after spending your life?
I am this way I am.
I am.
I'm quite interested.
Um more than that, um I know I uh have argued that you know a lot of extant religions are idolatrous and spiritually materialistic.
Um we need not name them, but I think we know what they're like, but um not all of religion is a croc.
They're a genuine uh religious communities where people show each other an extraordinary kind of love which shows that they've escaped to some extent from the centripetal force of selfishness.
One of the reasons I hope for another life is I've made a little movement in that direction, very small.
I'd like to have more chance to get better at that, overcoming um focusing on my own good and trying to ballarize what is simply good.
Thank you.
I invite you to have conversations after the lecture.
I'll share a little bit of uh the work that we do in the lab, uh basically sending uh brain tissues or brain organoids uh to space, um, and there is a reason for that.
Uh my lab focused on a neurological conditions, um, most of them neurogenetic conditions such as autism.
So you are not um uh you are born with autism, you don't get autism after you are born.
So everything happens in uterus inside the uterus.
And this inaccessibility of the brain tissue is one of the things that makes the science so hard.
It's different from cancer, from heart, from blood, where you can have biopsy, you can you can see what's happening.
So in the brain, it starts in uterus and uh keeps uh inside the oroscope to your life.
Um, so really hard to study.
Um, and despite the fact that we know that these conditions have a strong genetic factor, we don't know exactly how the genes plays into behavior and neuroscience.
So the interface between the genetics and neurobiology, that's exactly where my lab is.
Um, and uh so we start developing tools to actually create better models to understand the human brain.
Um, and as I mentioned, um, because these always starts in uterus, so I turn into stem cells, that's when um the brain tissue start to become uh what we have today in our heads.
Um so it's always start with stem cells.
And uh I was inspired by the first observation that stem cells, when growing suspension and neuralize, can form these clusters of cells that we now call brain organoids.
And um over the years, my lab have been improving these protocols to create something that is more robust, cheaper, uh, easy accessibility, and also a protocol that produces neurons that can fire and connect to each other, forming networks.
So this is an example of uh what we call a semi-guided brain organoid where we transiently expose progenitor cells um to specific factors that guide the cells towards the cortical tissue.
So it's a simple protocol where you neuralize the pluripotent stem cells, and again in suspension induce the proliferation of the precursor cells, and afterwards you just withdraw these factors and the cells will mature over time, forming these spheres that contains about five million cells, 2.5 million neurons in each one of them.
So if you've never seen one, uh this is how we grow them in these uh six well dishes.
Each one of these white dots is the beginning of a brain organoid that will grow up to 0.5 centimeters in diameter.
So the cool thing about these organoids is that you can measure the electrical activity, and we have been following uh how these networks uh rearrange and connect over a year, and this is more or less what we learned that it takes about two months for them to have like a robust uh electrical activity before that you can see neurons firing, but they are not uh connecting to each other.
So they're just firing uh in a random fashion.
So after two months, they start to get organized and start to form some circuitries that might generate um what we call a neurooscillation.
These neurooscillations will develop through the next uh month or two and will become quite um robust and stereotype.
And after that, these oscillations will become uh more complex over time, uh, and this is all due to the emergency of specific cell types in this population, such as astrocytes that helps with the synaptogenesis or inhibitory neurons that help to modulate this network.
So the cool part of this model is that it recapitulates the early stages of neurodevelopment quite well.
Um, even the timing is uh uh it's quite well um uh reproduced in our dishes.
So it takes about nine months uh for the human brain to uh start uh showing these uh complex neurooscillation.
So the model is perfect uh to study conditions such as autism.
The problem is that we don't want to just focus on the pre-embryonic stages, but we want to also understand what happens when uh our brains are one, two, ten, nine years old.
Uh so we start getting into the age factor of the model, which is not uh currently possible.
And I was looking to uh ways of doing that.
How can I speed up?
How can I accelerate uh neurodevelopment um in the lab?
And that's when I came across some of the NASA literature suggesting that cells from the astronauts returning uh uh from space actually show signs of accelerated senescence, something that might be seen as an accelerated aging, and even more importantly, uh signs of cognitive decline has also been reported.
And this cognitive decline cannot be fully restored even six months after the flights.
So this is also a concern for long flights into space.
But we can actually think about leveraging these phenomenon here to Earth to understand age-related conditions.
So starting in 2019, we actually have like several missions to the International Space Station by sending brain organoids in an autonomous platform together with Space Tango, our implementational partners.
So these organoids have specific uh payloads that changes the media, keep them alive in a similar way as we would do it here.
Because these platforms are quite autonomous, the astronaut doesn't need to do too much.
It basically plug these uh boxes inside the cabinets in there, and then we'll have immediately access to the experiments inside.
So, what did we learn with these experiments?
So most of the experiments are kept at the uh International Space Station for about 30 days.
And um upon the return, what we learned was that um some of the cells uh show signs of uh cellulated aging or extreme maturation, and this is seen uh in the transcriptomics, so this is just comparing space and ground controls.
Uh, several molecular pathways related to um uh senescence is also highlighted.
And uh on the proteomic side, uh, this was done by Aline and Paolo at the ISCOR, where they compare the overall proteomic uh changes that happens after this 30 days in space, uh reaching like a specific age of about uh 10 to 12 years on average.
So 30 days in space, when the cells return, uh they'll have a proteomic profiling of a neuron or a brain cell that is equivalent of a 10, 12-year-old uh person.
Um, moreover, on the proteomics, we can also take advantage of uh single-cell proteomics to understand different cell populations and what happens inside each one of these cells.
So complicated slides, and I believe Aline might uh detail this more.
But again, I mean, we see uh several molecular pathways that are related to uh age-related conditions, um, increasing some pathways that are uh quite interesting, for example, the derepression of retro elements, these are endogenous retroviruses inside the genome.
Um, but also mitochondria is affected, um, oncogenes, your telomeres are affected, so several of these uh molecular pathways that we see only in more adult, older um postmorton tissues.
Even more importantly, once these cells return or these brain organoids return to Earth, we can actually measure their electrical activity by placing them on top of multi-electrode array.
And what we are learning is that over time, uh different from the ground control, um, there is uh uh indications that the networks start to get fragmented.
So, in start of starting getting more connected, as you would expect, if uh if a linear um development here on Earth, we see fragmentation of this network, something that would be um related to a dementia or an Alzheimer's network.
All right, so is there any useful of all this information?
So, in one of those missions, we start sending patient derived brain organoids to space, and we start with Red Syndrome, is a neurological condition that I have been studying for a while.
Um, it's quite severe.
Uh, the kids develop quite normal for the first uh 18 months.
Um, you even didn't notice that there is a problem there, but after that, there is a decline, and uh the kids start losing their motor abilities, uh, their verbal capabilities, basically all their skills, and end up in a wheelchair for the rest of their life.
What happens in these 18 months that the system their brains crash?
We don't have good uh models for that.
Uh, I told you that the brain organoid model just recapitated the pre-embryonic phase, and the mouse models doesn't survive that long.
Um, so we really don't know what happens to the brain when it reaches that stage.
So by sending Red Syndrome brain organoids, we learned something new.
We learned that um uh brain cells, specifically glia cells or astrocytes from the organoids accumulate this endogenous retrovirus that I mentioned to you that has been related to aging.
And the accumulation of these retrovirus lead to an increase in inflammation.
So Rat syndrome was never proposed to be an inflammatory condition.
So it's only in this model that we can could actually see elevation of certain cytokines, such as IL-6.
So if the accumulation of endogenous retrovirus is related to aging, there's tons of evidence in the literature indicating that these specifically line elements could actually accumulate in the cytoplasm and trigger some of these pro-inflammatory pathways.
So if we were able to target that using reverse and skipase inhibitors, for example, anti-retroviral drugs, perhaps we could eliminate the inflammation and help with the brains with Rat syndrome.
Sounds weird.
Treating a neurological condition with an anti-retroviral, HIV drugs that are already FDA approved cheap drugs, right?
I mean, would that be possible?
So then we turn back into our preclinical models here in work on Earth, both mouse and human models.
And I'll show you just one example of the mouse models here, where we treat the animals just before they die with reverse and skipase inhibitors, and the animals increase the survival and start to reacquire their motor skills again.
So this was to the best of our knowledge, something that was never seen before for this specific model for Rat Syndrome.
And not only the behavior, but we actually see changes in the morphology of the neurons, they recapulate the spine density, even the size of the neurons could be uh restored.
So that was enough for the FGA to approve the clinical trial for Rat Syndrome, and we start um treating these uh patients.
So hopefully in six months from now we're gonna know if antiretrovirals are uh useful uh for the treatment of rat syndrome.
So, but what about age-related conditions uh more uh towards uh the end of your life, such as Alzheimer's and dementia?
This is a big market, and we also wanted to focus on that.
So we have uh uh a postdoc in the lab that is focusing on Alzheimer's, that's uh Natalia Sherman, and she's been sending brain organoids derived from Alzheimer's to the space station.
And again, I'll not give you uh too much details here, but just to say that there are specific pathways, especially related to the synapses that seems to be affected in Alzheimer's disease.
And we are still trying to understand how these networks are affected.
Um but nonetheless, having a model for Alzheimer's is really helpful because again, I mean, where would you get older neurons, human neurons, to test potential treatments?
There is no model for Alzheimer's.
So we think that this might be like a value opportunity for us to test potential therapeutics, and I decided to team up with uh the largest um pharmaceutical in the world, which is uh my friends in the Amazon.
So they uh in the Amazon, there's about uh 300,000 species in there, and certain plants uh do contain neuroactive that has never been studied by modern science.
So the idea was uh team up with uh the original tribes and and and and search for their ancestral knowledge to find what are the plants.
Um so I'll play a quick video that illustrates more or less how this is done.
Uh we start by the identification of these plants again in collaboration with these original tribes.
The pointers to the plants that uh might be neuroprotective, might be neuroprotective for the human brain.
Uh and they have been using this for um uh uh thousands of years actually.
Uh and some of these plants are not so easy to get, so they are embedded inside of the Amazon.
So to do that, we we create like a specific AI tool inside a little robot that contains the ancestral knowledge of the shamans, and it's a visual system.
So these little robots you're gonna see in a moment, can actually uh fly through the forest and identify the specific plants that we can send like someone to collect.
So someone from the tribes will go there, collect the plants, replant more, and bring it back to the lab.
Uh once in the lag we can isolate the extract and using a several AI type of pipeline, which would take thousands of years to do it uh uh five years ago, now we can do it in a week.
We can actually point to specific molecules that can bind to specific neuronal receptors.
So we are scoring these uh molecules.
Uh these would be like the first candidates uh to travel uh to space to actually be tested directly into uh brain organoids over there.
So once we bring the cells back, the ones that has been exposed to certain of these molecules, if they uh show reversal of the phenotypes, those gonna be uh strong candidates uh for potential therapeutics for Alzheimer's, dementia, and other uh neurodegenerative uh disorders.
We're also working in better ways to visualize the activity of those neurons, uh working with uh fluorescent markers as well as um uh electrophysiology that can be done actually in space.
Um so we have real-time capabilities uh through the ascending uh the time in space and also descending.
So that would be a game changer for us because right now we put the organoids in a box, goes to the space, comes back.
We don't know what happens in between, we just know before and after.
Uh but this time would allow us uh to actually follow the entire trajectory of these organoids.
All right, so um I'm finishing here.
So these are basically my take-home messages.
We think that um growing these uh brain organoids in space can teach us about um uh the impact of uh space into uh human cognition.
Um we can accelerate it aging and use this as a model for aging here on Earth, not only aging but rejuvenation in uh in treatments, and can be used to test novel uh neuroprotective uh molecules or compounds, either from pharma who may have them on their shelves, as well as neo drugs that has never been discovered before.
So I'll end here by thanking the uh members of Ice Core that participate on that, uh, several of the funding agencies.
Thank you.
Can you tell us a little bit more about your clinical trial that you're doing uh and where that's starting?
Yeah, so uh right now because it's uh FD approved drug, the clinical trial was uh uh immediately approved by uh the FDA.
We also approved that in Brazil.
So we are uh we are starting there in Brazil with a pilot experiment that is gonna be, I believe, uh 13 kids, uh different ages.
Uh and uh uh half of them would take placebo, half of them would trade the real drug.
And there is a doctor that is specialized in the milestones of these uh patients uh to see if we can have uh either um a slow progression through these milestones or any kind of a reversal.
We get to see each other all the time, and yet I have so many questions.
Uh it would it be possible to do some of the preliminary extraction and API active pharmaceutical ingredient development in Brazil closer to where the sources for these new compounds.
Oh, for the new compounds, yeah, absolutely.
Yeah, so these uh this is something that we're thinking about, yeah.
Yeah, and it will depend on the uh on the molecule.
As you know, some of the molecules might be hard to synthetize.
Truly inspiring.
Um I'm guessing a lot of those compound compounds that you are screening um can relate to a lot of uh neurodegeneration that is related or not, maybe to DNA damage and things like that.
Have you considered to also um in your screening an AI-based to kind of extend it not only to neural receptors, but maybe other things that we know that maybe we can screen and and you know there's so many people around us that can look, oh, that can be actually a super cool candidate.
Yeah, you you you are absolutely right, and that's the ultimate goal is to create like a catalog where this would be available.
People can mine that, can see if it works, you know, the cell types.
Um, absolutely.
And we are also working with extracts, not only isolated molecules, but extracts.
If we want to start with an extract, might be better chances to find something, and then you uh funneled out a specific uh molecule.
That's beautiful, thank you.
I think connected to that, not just other cell types or other diseases.
What about other plants, not just in Amazon, but other areas of the world?
Yeah, yeah.
So, once I start talking about that, other uh uh uh other groups start to reach out to reproduce similar things with different ecosystems.
Um for example, the Saudis have the um coral reefs uh that are bleaching, and before it bleaches, they start collecting bacteria from them and and create like a a Kenny Cow library from the coral reefs.
So that's another thing that is gonna get extinct.
People will not be able to reproduce that, but finally, I mean, they save at least a part of that and could be uh used with screen as well.
Also, I start working with Bill Fanico, who was uh he's a retired now, but he was from his creep of oceanography here, where he isolate bacteria from uh deep sea, uh also contains lots of uh molecules that has never been studied before.
I'm Michael Colbruno, and I'm standing here with Gia White.
We're here at Oakland's beautiful and historic Mountain View Cemetery, and one of the things we're doing is celebrating the people who have been forgotten to history.
We're standing here at the grave of Washington Oglesby, who was California's first licensed black attorney, and the mayor's office is remembering people who have been forgotten to history, who have unmarked graves, and we're gonna be marking these gravestones.
And Washington Oglesby is a fascinating story.
He was born in 1859 in Virginia, so he was likely born into slavery.
He traveled through Arkansas and ended up in California, where he became a school teacher and a real estate agent before he got his law license.
So the first person to get the California Bar Association uh license as a black man was Washington Oglesby.
And he did fantastic things.
He ran for judge as a candidate in the populist party, whose platform included getting rid of the gold standard, but more importantly, on the national level, they were talking about whites and blacks working together and living harmoniously together in the United States because this is not that long after slavery.
Um, when he became an attorney, he practiced on Broadway Street here in Oakland, and his first client was a woman named Elise Burkett, who not only was his first client that became his wife, she was a white woman who had been abandoned by her husband.
Um tragically, Washington Oglesby died of a heart condition at age 43, but we're not gonna forget him, we're gonna remember him forever thanks to the mayor's office of Oakland.
Thank you, Barbali.
We're here at Oakland's beautiful and historic Mountain View Cemetery, and one of the things we're doing is celebrating the people who have been forgotten to history.
So the Flood family were early pioneers in Oakland.
They were a prominent family that came here in the 1850s.
Isaac Flood purchased his freedom and came to California shortly after the gold rush.
He met Elizabeth Thorne Scott.
Elizabeth Thorn Scott opened the first public school for black children in the state.
When they came to Oakland, they opened a private school out of their home on East 15th for black children.
Also Native American and Asian American students that were excluded from the public school system.
By 1872, though, schools became integrated in California, and the Floods had two children of their own, George and Lydia.
George became a blacksmith, and Lydia Flood Jackson carried on the tradition of civil rights and social justice, and the women's suffrage movement.
Lydia Flood Jackson was honored by the city of Oakland on her 100th birthday.
She died at the age of 101, and her funeral was held at the AME church founded by her parents.
So what we're doing right today is making sure that their legacy is honored here with a marker.
It felt great to be honored up on stage today to see my large community and my friends come all together to celebrate us being scholars.
It just felt amazing.
And standing up there with the lights on us and just reflecting on how much work we did this year was incredible.
And if you are here today to celebrate our African American scholars, make some noise, Oakland!
Give it up, give it up, give it up!
Welcome to the Oscar Wright 25th Annual African American Academic Excellence Award.
I think it's important that their achievements be recognized so that they continue to achieve.
So yeah, it feels really good to keep it up and keep doing good at school.
This day today, it felt it felt great.
I feel honored.
It makes it good for our community so our kids can witness some good things that we do have going on.
I think that it makes them want to stay in school longer and get what they need done.
We are gathered here to recognize our African American students who've earned a place on the honor roll.
Tonight is a celebration of excellence, perseverance, and promise.
Oh, let's let's repeat together.
It's not about you.
It's not about me.
It's about our children.
I think it honors Oscar's legacy A because he did something, and because he did something, this has happened.
We had the benefit of being here when he was still alive, but having this maintain after he's gone showcases that education is primary, and he instilled the message that education for African American children of Oakland is number one goal.
This is beautiful to have, and um this will keep his memory living on.
He's gonna live on in all of these children.
This is keeping him alive.
Hello Oakland food vendors.
There's a new law in Oakland that's all about reducing plastic pollution and protecting human health.
It's called the reusable foodwear ordinance, and it applies to food vendors like restaurants, cafes, and food trucks in Oakland.
There are four main requirements.
Number one, for to-go orders, single-use food or accessories like straws, utensils, and common packets must be provided upon customer request for self-service stations only.
No bundling of utensils, napkins and/or condiments is allowed.
This way, customers can take only what they need.
Two, for to-go orders, if customers request that you fill their usable containers instead of a disposable one, then you must use them.
So long as the containers are clean and can safely hold food orders.
Three, use single-use foodware that is not made of polystyrene foam, also called styrofoam.
Not made of compulsable plastics.
Also called bioplastics.
This includes PLA lined cups and certified as free of harmful food packaging chemicals if there are at least three options by product type to choose from.
Check the city's website for specific guidance.
For dyne-in-service, all food must be served using reusable foodware, like lost cups, skill utensils, and ceramic plates.
You can learn more about the new law by checking out Oaklandrecycles.com/slash reusables.
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Email the City of Oakland Recycling Hotline at recycling at Oaklandca.gov.
And thanks for doing your part to keep our town clean, healthy, and resilient.
Hello everybody and welcome back from the break.
We are now going to switch gears a little bit and have a discussion about immunizations, vaccine skepticism, vaccine skepticism, and public policy.
Our speaker is Dr.
Dean Blumberg, who is professor and chief of pediatric infectious disease at UC Davis Children's Hospital in Sacramento.
Dr.
Blumberg is head of infection prevention at the Schreiner's Hospital for Children, Northern California.
He has provided expert testimony at various California legislative hearings and participated in several federal and international advocacy activities.
He has worked on clinical trials with the Ebola vaccine development in Liberia on behalf of NIAID.
He is co-creator, executive producer, and co-host of the Kids Considered Podcast.
Dr.
Blombard will talk about vaccine skepticism and public policy.
Dr.
Blumberg.
Yeah, thank you.
So I have nothing to disclose in terms of conflicts of interest.
I will talk about off-label use of FDA approved vaccines because the FDA approves vaccines, but then the recommendations often are off-label.
You know, one bias that I will disclose is that this will be based on science and evidence.
And so that's that's that's my bias towards science.
So, um, what we'll talk about is vaccine hesitancy, and there's some recent the recent history because it does go back hundreds of years, and the consequences of vaccine hesitancy, and then some strategies to improve vaccination rates for providers, for and anybody who wants to advocate related to vaccines, and then talk about some facts.
I think it's important to know the facts, but then also some strategies and opportunities related to um uh vaccination.
So some recent history with vaccines.
I think a lot of the the uh history with vaccine skepticism relates to vaccinations and autism.
And one of the um first um accusations was was against MMR vaccine, and then it was said that thymerosol caused autism.
Of course, thymerosol isn't in the MMR vaccine, so that was a little bit confusing.
And then it was the spacing of the vaccines that it was too much too soon.
Then it was aluminum in vaccines.
So you can see it's sort of a constantly moving goalpost with um the accusations against vaccines related to autism.
Um, and we'll talk about more about how the the vaccines do not cause autism.
And then also um uh in more recent years, it's the that health freedom has been politicized, and although people have had quote-unquote health freedom, um, people are being um told that they need to be more independent and not listen to routine recommendations, and that this makes them somehow more independent.
And so this has really increased the non-medical um immunization exemptions, and this has really been amplified during COVID.
So I'd like to start with sort of the recent history related to COVID.
That childhood vaccines have many known harmful side effects.
And you can see since the beginning of the pandemic, at the beginning, all the way to the left of the slide, this really increased from about 25% over to about 35%.
So a real real increase in that parents are feeling that the vaccines caused harm.
And then this question do parents agree with this that childhood vaccines may lead to illness or death, and even a more dramatic rise from less than 20% to uh over 30%.
And so the researchers concluded that um parent concern about safety of routine childhood vaccine has increased nationally since the start of um the pandemic.
And this was um seen um also uh worldwide, it's not just a US phenomenon.
This is from the World Health Organization, the WHO, that showed that there are worldwide that some children received no vaccinations, that there are millions of children were receiving no vaccination, up to 17 million children likely did not receive a single vaccine during the year um uh after the pandemic started, and we've really gone backwards with other vaccinations.
Now, some of this was disruptions due to immunization services because of the pandemic, um, and then even post-pandemic, there's been funding short falls, vaccine misinformation, a lot of instability and and other factors.
This graph shows declining pediatric vaccination coverage in the US, the routine seven vaccine series at 24 months of age, going from 70% to post-pandemic down to 67%, and even this 3% decrease can be significant, which we'll we'll talk about a little later.
This map shows the proportion of parents who claim exemptions from kindergarten from the required immunizations for school, the darker states, the blue states that have those have um a higher rate of uh parents opting out of immunizations, and you can see the difference between pre-pandemic on the left to post-pandemic.
There's a lot more states that are colored in that blue color, and even the dark green um uh also increases, and so what we're seeing is a lot of different in a lot of different states, depending on the state um laws that parents can opt out of the required immunizations for school, and that has increased since the pandemic.
Now the the way that parents are opting out are for non-medical exemptions, and so that's parental choice.
That's parents who are choosing not to vaccinate because of personal beliefs, because of religious beliefs.
You can see the medical exemptions are shown in the green line at the bottom, those are steady.
Children aren't getting like more allergic to vaccines or having conditions that are precluding them from being vaccinated, vaccinated.
It's just the parents are are opting out, and you can see that opt-out rate has increased by more than doubled over recent years.
Now, just focusing on California, because that's where I am, you can see that in California has a very low rate of um of children who miss out on their routine immunizations for school.
And part of that is the school requirements is they don't allow for parents to opt out of um routine recommended routine required immunizations for school unless there's a medical reason.
So there is no personal belief exemption in California, but you can see that some parents do continue to opt out for for those reasons and and remove their kids from school and homeschool their children, and this tends to cluster.
So although the the although statewide the immunization rate is high, you can see in several counties in California, Kern, Santa Cruz, Mariposa, Tuolumne, Calaveras, Nevada, El Dorado, Sutter, Glenn, Trinity, Humboldt, and Del Norte.
Many of these are rural counties, more conservative leaning counties, and those are the ones that are in red where there's a high rate of opting out.
And so you can get these clusters of areas where children are vulnerable to these vaccine preventable diseases.
Now, because of the nature of this conference, I did want to focus in on the specific populations.
And so I did look to see if there's any kind of information on specific populations and immunization rates.
And I did come across a couple good studies.
So this one looks at vaccination patterns in children after having the autism spectrum disorder diagnosis and looked at them in the patients as well as their younger siblings.
This was six integrated health care delivery systems across the US.
And this was between 1995 and 2010.
Children were born between 1995 and 2010, and then their younger siblings were born between 1997 and 2014.
And the main outcome was looking at the proportion of children who received all of their vaccines according to routine recommendations.
And you can see if you look at this in the red box, it just compares the children who have the diagnosis of ASD versus non-ASD.
And you can see that the for vaccines recommended between four to six years of age, children with autism spectral disorder were significantly less likely to be fully vaccinated compared to children without.
That's not surprising since we know that the you know that there's a lot of information misinformation out there saying that vaccines cause autism, so that would make parents more reluctant to vaccinate and complete follow-through with vaccinations for their kids.
Each age category, they're looking at vaccination rates among the younger siblings of children with autism spectrum disorder compared to younger siblings of children without ASD.
And again, what you can see is decreased rates.
So the parents were spooked and ended up not vaccinating not only the kids with ASD but also not vaccinating their younger siblings.
One other study I'll just call attention to is this one that looks at vaccination coverage by special health care needs, and again, looking at the status in young children.
This is a really broad definition, much broader than developmental delay, and this is from the National Survey of Children with Special Healthcare Needs, and it's a telephone survey.
And so in this study, there's a lot of data on here, and I didn't circle any in red because what happens is overall there's no significant difference between children's with and without special needs for any of the individual antigens or the combined immunization series.
Now they did find some significant differences by special needs status with certain demographic subgroups, and so those are shown by the plus where the children with special health care needs have higher vaccination rates, and the negatives, the minus signs, they have lower vaccination rates, and the zero means there's no difference, but there's no consistent pattern among vaccines, among ages, among demographics.
So for children with special health care needs, there don't appear to be any particular pattern related to vaccination rates.
Now the reason I show this data is because if children do opt out, if parents opt out of vaccinating their children, there's real consequences.
And so we could go through this with several studies, but I'll just show one that's kind of, I think, is really straightforward.
This is parents who refuse pertussis vaccination of their infants, and then it looked to see if there was an increased risk of pertussis of infection in children, if they had more whooping cough.
And this was primarily a Kaiser, Colorado study.
And what it showed is that parents who refuse pertussis vaccination of their infants had a more than 20 times increased risk of protussis.
So that's not too surprising.
We know that vaccines work, so if you don't give the vaccine, then there's going to be increased risk of infection.
And then this is really shown, I think, more recently with the measles cases that we've seen.
So this is US data showing the number of measles cases by year.
And you can see in 2025, there were more cases reported in the US of measles than the past 30 years.
So, and this is directly related to decreased vaccination rates.
This year there's almost more than a thousand cases reported so far.
And so this year will probably exceed last year.
Now last year's outbreak started in mostly in Texas and Western Texas, Eastern New Mexico.
And so each of these dots on this graph show the MMR, the measles, mumps rubella vaccination rates among kindergartners in each state in the US by year.
And you can see there's a 95% threshold in the dotted line.
You can see the U.S.
median rate has dipped, shown as part of the violet or purple line, and then Texas is highlighted since that's where this outbreak had started last year.
And you can see that that has dropped to below before the below this 95% threshold.
So measles is one of the most infectious vaccine preventable diseases known to humans.
And if we get below 95% population immunity, that's when localized transmission and out and outbreaks can occur.
So that's why that's so critical.
So for um health care providers, it's important to have clear messaging in terms of communication strategies related to vaccines.
There's multiple studies that show this.
So one is the presumption of vaccine acceptance.
This is the norm.
The norm is that kids who come in for their routine visits that they should expect parents should expect their kids to be immunized.
There's enough room for mild and moderate hesitancy.
Parents are encouraged to ask questions and concerns, and then the provider can respond to those.
And then also bundling of vaccines is important.
So not just nitpicking one or two vaccines out there, but saying here's the group of vaccines that your child should get today.
And then personal anecdotes if parents are reluctant, saying most of my patients are fully vaccinated, and then it's also useful to bring up current issues.
So for example, last year there were three deaths from measles in the US, so that these are serious diseases.
So an example of this is so some kid comes into the room, maybe they're a preteen, saying now that Sophia's 11, she's due for three vaccines.
These will help protect her from meningitis, HPV cancers, and pertussis.
We'll give her these shots today at the end of the visit.
And so there's this presumption, but leaving room for questions.
And then clear and consistent messaging, we've learned time and again is so important.
So it's not just talking with the health care provider, the doctor, the nurse practitioner, the physician assistant, but it's from the front office staff and all the way back, everybody needs to be on the same page.
The American Academy of Pediatrics has a lot of information out there, and I'm just put this out for people's reference.
They put together this publication strategies for improving vaccine communication and uptake.
They've got a flow chart, which I won't go through, talking about how providers can improve communication with parents, and then for parents who end up not after going through this flowchart, if they don't want to talk about it, there's additional strategies to talk about, and then talking about some other issues, including motivational interviewing.
So these are the kind of tools that I think providers need.
But I think in today's landscape, we do worry about the influence of the news and other issues related to vaccination, considering the current appointees federally that are in charge of our healthcare system in the US.
So because of this, there's been a lot of vaccines in the news, and here's a recent poll that asked parents what they think about the head of HHS, RFK Jr., talked about pediatricians and also talked about other people who might influence them.
And the good news is that although there's a lot of news and a lot of shouting and just a lot of static and chaos related to vaccines over the past year plus.
So although those people do have really loud voices, fortunately for parents, they trust their pediatricians the most.
And so I think that's that's important for people to know.
So when I talk with health care providers, including pediatricians, I tell them the first thing you got to know is the facts.
And that includes that for every single vaccine that you're recommending for a child, you have to understand like that disease and how it's transmitted, and does it cause kids to be sick?
Is it worth preventing?
Does it kill kids?
And then if there's any age specific limitations and how kids will respond to that and understand why it fits in the schedule where it does.
And then also to understand all the common concerns that parents might bring to a visit and be prepared to respond to those.
So I'll just give you one example.
Here's the vaccine schedule from the American Academy of Pediatrics.
It looks daunting, but all these vaccines are important for children to receive.
You can pick almost any one of these out and you can make a great case for why children should get them when they should get them, that they shouldn't delay them.
So I've just shown one here the HIB vaccine, the homophilus influenza type B vaccine, and then I'll show this graph and show it say in the pre-pandemic era.
This this is this is who got invasive hib disease.
Kids were getting blood poisoning or sepsis with hib, meningitis, cellulitis around their eyes and pneumonia and other very serious illnesses that would land them in the hospital in the ICU and sometimes resulting in death.
They were getting these invasive infections, almost all of them before two years of age.
So if you're a parent, you don't want to delay this vaccine until later.
You want your kid to get it ASAP after they're born as soon as they can get it and respond well to it, because you don't want to increase the risk of your child getting meningitis from this disease.
And then this vaccine has been extraordinarily successful, resulting in more than 99.9% reduction in invasive disease due to this one bacteria.
So you could do this with each one of those on this list, almost each one.
There are a couple exceptions on here that I think it would be reasonable for parents to delay.
But for the most part, almost all of these, kids should be receiving these on schedule and pediatricians should be able to talk about parents about that about why that is.
So I'm not going to go into great detail about some of the other misconceptions that are out there, except just to mention them.
One of the issues that we hear is, you know, why do children receive more vaccines these days?
Yeah, they do receive more vaccines, and that's because we're preventing more disease and cancers and other things, and that means they're they're they're healthier, and that's that's why.
And then one of the other issues you'll hear is that do kids really receive 72 doses of vaccine.
That one's out there.
That's really common.
And that's 72 doses, that would it, that would be kids who get every yearly flu vaccine, every yearly COVID shot from birth through 18.
And it's sometimes sometimes it counts combination vaccines, like measles, mumps rubella, which protects against three diseases.
They'll count that as three separate doses, and then some even include vaccines given to pregnant mothers who those are intended to prevent protect newborns in the first weeks of life.
So this is really misleading.
I mean, COVID hasn't been around for 18 years.
There's no way that kids could ever get so many two doses of vaccines.
So but you can you can count them with parents if they're interested.
And then the issue with vaccines and autism.
I'm not going to talk about this in great detail, but we know that the rise in autism is not linked to the vaccines in the US.
Vaccines do not cause autism, period.
That's where I start with vaccines and autism.
We know that we know certain factors that do cause autism.
We know that there are certain genetic factors, environmental factors that are associated with autism, and we know that vaccines are not associated with autism.
And we know that the rise in autism, much of that is related to the change in the diagnostic criteria.
So you can go through the different studies that have been done.
You can talk about the issues related that a lot of this is occurs in the prenatal period and that the change in diagnosis.
So there's there's a lot of lot of information out there on that.
In terms of interpersonal relationships between the health care provider and the parent, it's you know important for the doctor to be knowledgeable and be educated, but that's not enough to convince parents.
It's really important that they're able to communicate well, and that means listening, not just talking, but listening.
Every single parent that I've talked with who has concerns about autism, they all have different concerns about autism.
I have yet to find like an identical concern.
Yeah, everybody's everybody needs to be listened to and have individual responses to individual concerns.
And you know, one thing that I start with is I'm very empathic with parents who have concerns about vaccines and autism or side effects.
There is a lot of confusing information out there about vaccines, and I think we all appreciate that.
And so it's really easy to understand how parents might be confused about that and swayed by things.
So it's good to have these comp these um conversations.
One of the other things we've learned is it's not just about facts, a lot of this is about stories, and it's about being able to communicate well with stories as well as um facts.
So I'm gonna change attention now to vaccine advocacy, not just from individual providers and parents, but in terms of advocacy, we've talked about provider education.
I think it's also important to have public education regarding vaccine skepticism and then policy um advocacy also.
So by no design of my own, I ended up getting um involved with vaccine media advocacy, uh, not something I ever set out to do, but a lot of this is responding to media requests.
So media requests they contact you, they contact your organization, they want to do an interview.
So this could be print, radio, TV, internet, and so that could be relatively passive, just responding to that.
Um, but you can also be proactive if you feel strongly about something, you can write a letter to the editor.
You know, I know not everybody reads the newspaper as much these days, but getting an op-ed out there, it circulates on the internet, and that could be very useful if you have a strong point that you want to make.
And then just to look at the landscape that we're dealing with these days, you know, traditionally the advisory committee on immunization practices has been made up of experts in vaccines, immunology, public health.
These are people with advanced degrees, PhDs, they have MDs and others.
They're representatives from mainstream medical organizations, pediatricians, family practitioners, internists, obstetricians, infectious disease specialists, you know, etc.
They're all vetted for conflicts of interest.
They review scientific evidence, there's immunization guidelines that are recommended informed by rigorous research, modeling, um, and then there's transparency, total transparency with the agendas of these meetings.
Everything's publicly available ahead of the meetings.
You can look at the data.
I steal a lot of slides from ACIP meetings because they show the current data.
That's what historically has occurred.
However, under current leadership with HHS, you know, all these all this, these experts have been sidelined and replaced with anti-vaccines ideologs.
So the current recommendations that are coming out of ACIP and therefore coming out of CDC are no longer evidence-based.
They're political recommendations.
And so that's really unfortunate because somebody like myself, I've always referred to the CDC as my go-to organization, and I don't do that anymore, not under the current leadership.
So that's been very confusing for parents.
Now, fortunately, a lot of the other organizations like American Academy of Pediatrics have stepped up and come through with evidence-based organization, with evidence-based recommendations.
But I think it's important to realize that in the current environment, you know, there's government authority figures who are speaking general falsehoods.
And I would say that they are speaking power to truth.
They are having these falsehoods, they're using their positions of power to basically shout out and and cover up truth, cover up evidence and cover up science.
And so really science is under attack in general.
So we know we've heard in the news about research under attack, evidence-based medicine is under attack, the NIH, grants have been rescinded, universities are under attack.
And once trusted institutions like the CDC and the FDA, you know, we can't rely on them in the current environment.
Public health is chronically underfunded.
And so that's that's just an issue that we're dealing with.
But what I would say is that the good news is we are in the golden age of advocacy opportunities.
I think anybody who's interested in advocacy, you couldn't be living through a better time.
You know, here's what happens.
The media is going to report a government position or action, and we have the opportunity now to to find look at the facts.
The media is going to seek people like me out when the government says something ridiculous about rescinding some vaccines from childhood vaccines, and they're gonna the media is gonna say, Well, what's the other side?
And they're gonna call me or others and say, what are the facts?
What is the other side?
And that allows people like us who really want to speak to the evidence to the science, we can speak truth to that power right now, and it's not hard, it's actually much easier than it was before, because I would consider you know a lot of the people in power now as really having crude and unserious reform.
And what I mean when I say that is sometimes they do stuff just to just to be provocative, and so it's really easy to have simplified messaging to really, you know, counteract what their messaging is.
And there is widespread opposition and outrage to what's going on at the federal level, and that means that there's more opportunities for collaboration, and I think collaboration is key.
It's working in this area for a while.
This is something that really is a team sport.
It's it's hard to do alone, it's much easier to use, it's much easier to do as a team and and to share with others.
So, in terms of um policy advocacy, I think we do have sometimes we do have opportunities for legislative advocacy, we can meet with legislators or other policymakers.
You know, in California, we can go to the California legislature, we can go to school board meetings, we can do things related to what city and county regulations are, and then um we can offer um uh testimony too.
We can do um expert testimony or just supportive me too testimony when bills come up.
Um, and again, locally, that could be Board of Supervisors, City Council, or school boards, and then nationally, we can also advocate to our legislative leaders, those who are in government, and there are also opportunities for um international um uh international advocacy too, with WHO, with GAVI, some other organizations also.
Now, when talking about advocacy, I'm gonna give you all you need to know about advocacy in a couple slides.
Um, and so this was a study that came out a couple years ago looking at the benefits of routine child immunization in the US over a 20-year period.
These are the tables that were produced looking at number of illnesses, hospitalizations, and the cost of these and really the benefits of vaccination.
And I'll just distill this to you, which is that with vaccine messaging, you know, routine childhood vaccination in the US per year prevents 17 million illnesses, more than a million hospitalizations, more than 35,000 deaths, net savings of 18 billion dollars in direct costs and 90 billion dollars in societal costs.
So that's that's huge.
That being said, you know, if you're gonna talk with parents or patients, they only care about one person.
They don't care about 17 million illnesses being prevented, they care about their child.
So I just want to emphasize that saving millions of lives, that's an advocacy argument, but that's not a clinical argument.
So that's not something that I bring into the exam room.
The other thing to mention is that you know, vaccines do not cause autism.
So those are my main messages when I'm doing policy um work and talking about advocacy, but again, that's for advocacy work, and I never bring this up when I talk with parents.
So I don't think this is for clinical work.
You know, we're not we're not a communist country, we're not telling parents to like, you know, vaccinate their kid for the greater good kind of a thing.
So I I just don't think that were that works.
One other thing that you can do when talking about advocacy messaging is talk about measles, because that's just been in the news so much.
And so more cases have been reported in 2025 in the US than then all of 2024 and really over the past 30 years.
And we know in the US, measles vaccine prevents more than 3 million cases a year, more than 48,000 hospitalizations and more than 400 deaths, and the vaccine does not cause autism.
And contrary to what some federal leaders say, vitamin A does not prevent measles, and the costs to local public health, it's more than $30,000 a case.
This is really important because local public health is underfunded, and in a county, if you get a measles outbreak, all it takes is a few cases, and that can really blow up the budget, and and people care about that.
Um, political leaders care about that on both sides of the aisle.
One recent study that just came out last week showed that um public health um cost of measles case is 75,000 a case.
So I just put a minimum here.
So that can be very useful for advocacy purposes also.
And then finally, I just want to bring up one other issue related to um for facts related to advocacy.
This just came up last year.
The WHO looked at worldwide measles epidemiology and how the vaccine works, and came up with this graph.
Um, between 20 to 2000 and 2024, more than 58 million deaths globally were averted by measles vaccine.
So the top shows the estimated number of measles' deaths without vaccination, the bottom line shows the estimated numbers of measles' death with vaccination, and the difference between the two is more than 50 million deaths globally were prevented.
So that's how well vaccines work.
That's how important this is, and that's why I think it's worth advocating for.
There are plenty of opportunities for that.
Um, and I think again, this is a time where many people are going to have a lot of opportunities for advocating related to vaccines if you're interested in that.
So I'm gonna end here, and see if there's any questions or comments that people have.
So Dr.
Blomberg, thank you so much for all the information.
And so I'm gonna paraphrase some questions that are sort of similar.
One has to do with what what are the trustworthy organizations, either within the US or outside the US that we can rely on for evidence-based recommendations.
Yeah, so I uh these days I'm looking at the professional societies.
So for my organization, I'm a pediatrician, I look at the American Academy of Pediatrics, and they align really well, for example, with the American Academy of Family Practice, with American College of Physicians, with Infectious Disease Society of America, all those professional societies, those are all agreeing on together on the baseline recommendations that are evidence-based immunization recommendations.
And then internationally, the WHO continues to be very reliable, as well as GAVI, which advocates for vaccines, and GAVI is the global alliance for vaccine something.
Sorry, can't remember the name, but but they're they're a strong partner internationally and do a lot of education in in that area as well.
And another related question is at this point, I don't think you know there are any changes to the curriculum for healthcare professionals, but perhaps maybe some inclusion of what to do for vaccine hesitancy, but not the schedule itself.
Would that be accurate?
Yeah, I think that that there has been increased education in the medical area for trainees in terms of vaccine hesitancy.
So I've seen that myself at the medical school that I'm at, where the medical students do have some role playing, for example, that they do as part of their second and third year training, so that they do get experience in this area.
Okay.
So then a specific question for children with special needs and rare diseases, uh, parents will sometimes say, you know, but the vaccines were not tested on kids with my child's condition, uh, and then quote some sites uh that their child's brain is more susceptible to vaccine injury, and so if something like that happens, how do we respond?
Yeah, I think those are really interesting questions.
And so for every underlying condition, I think it's important to try to understand that.
So kids who have some of these rare diseases, it's important to think about what disease do they have?
What's their immune system like?
Is their immune system weakened?
So maybe they shouldn't be getting live vaccines that might multiply more than you'd want them to, but maybe they should be getting extra vaccines because they're more vulnerable to certain infections.
So I think each one of those cases needs to be evaluated individually and talk about any kind of real or theoretical concern that might occur.
You know, that being said, if you think about a kid, for example, who might have experienced, you know, hypoxic um brain injury um early in life or something like that.
If you think about what their overall condition is, um, what are their risk factors for infection?
What is their immune system like?
There's no theoretical reason to think that their immune system is, for example, weaker than others, but they may be more prone to things like pneumonia because they might be at increased risk of aspiration.
So they they they might need more vaccines rather than fewer.
Um so I think it just depends on the individual individual patient and the individual child and their individual conditions.
And uh and I think especially for children who are immunocompromised, the people who surround them, the caregivers, the uh care workers, they also need to be vaccinated.
If this is not just about children, so right.
Yeah, that's a good point.
So many parents do advocate for that.
Just like with newborns, for example, they'll they'll say, you know, anybody who comes in contact with my newborn needs to be fully vaccinated.
And so um, you know, many of these kids um may have compromised um lung function.
If they get influenza, that could push them over the edge, and so it is great to have um decrease their risk of influenza by decre decreasing their risk of contacting that by having a high vaccination um rate among their caregivers and family.
Dr.
Blomberg's thank you so much for all the information, the advocacy and the work that you do.
Uh and uh we we hope there'll be an end or a decrease in the hesitancy in the years to come.
But thank you again.
Thank you.
The fact that a machine can follow human instructions in doing something that hitherto only humans could do.
It's very difficult to tell the difference between a real Mozart composition and the composition that Emmy has produced based on Mozart style.
Basically, Emmy or experiments in musical intelligence began in 1981 in my garage.
It's kind of like David Cope invented the Frankenstein monster.
And it's become something entirely different from what he had in mind in the first place.
I don't know how many of you have uh followed David's uh adventures with his MA EMI.
ME is experiments in musical intelligence, and it's a computer program that composes music.
The main thing that's unusual about MA is that it works.
The compositions that come out of the computer sound like what Beethoven or Mozart or Bach or Scott Joplin would have written.
And the most uh memorable of all reactions was one uh one German musicologist or musician, um uh confronted him and haranged him for a half an hour with a with a big lecture about what was wrong with all of this business.
Uh as he as he came to the end of this Venus field, becoming very animated, and and and then I noticed Hostel.
He uh shook his fist and then pointed his finger at me uh and said the three words that I did know the meaning of, and that is music is taught, which uh I knew meant music is dead.
And I figured since he was pointing at me that I might be the culprit or the person he was accusing of having killed it.
Computers have been used in music in two or three different ways.
They have been used for analyzing music.
They have been used for instruments to actually produce sounds, and they have been used as composers or compositional aids.
And the Emmy system clearly fits into the compositional system and composers's aids, but it is also useful for analyzing music.
Just about every other composition program that I've ever heard has produced music that only the composer could love.
Some systems are written by computer scientists and some by musicians.
Generally, the ones written by computer scientists have uh fairly sophisticated structures in the program, but the music knowledge that they include is is rather limited.
They produce stuff that fits the rules in the books and is very, very boring.
Musicians who do write composition programs usually write very poor programs and often get more musically interesting results out of these programs because they reject anything that they don't like the sound of.
Cope's program is one of the few that I know that produces reasonably good sound and has at the same time a reasonably sophisticated structure.
The length of time it takes for Emmy to compose depends exclusively on on uh how long the works are that you put in.
First of all, it takes uh an awful lot of time just to sit at the keyboard and pack the works.
So you could find me, you know, two weeks doing nothing but coding works.
The actual compositional process itself is is the least cumbersome and the fastest.
Once everything's set up and ready to roll, that could take anywhere from eight hours to a weekend.
What is interesting I think about the uh the Emmy uh Bach chorale production or composition is the fact that when it was finished, I didn't have a choir handy.
So I so I tried the voices singing it out of the Emacs sampler, and it was the results were quite funny because I I did not like what I heard at all.
And there was a second there where I was gonna let it go and not let it go.
Because it sounded so awful, and I decided, well, what the heck, it can't take out that much memory, so I actually put it put it back.
So my first time in actually hearing the whole piece since I almost, you know, killed it, was uh in the church the night of the first uh concert.
Um, so the program that I've built is uh centered around a very large pattern matcher.
Um pattern matchers are um artificial intelligence tools which define not just when something is something.
That's fairly simple and routine.
Is this exactly the same as that?
What's really interesting in a pattern matcher is is this something almost like that?
And is that almost good enough?
Yeah, in Beethoven's fifth symphony, for example, a good way to look at the various patterns is is that uh the beginning of the piece, which is bum bum bum bum, later on in that piece, it becomes dum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum pe-dum bum.
Okay, bum bum bum bum is not the same as bum bum bum bum, okay.
Now our ears say, because the rhythm is the same and that the first three notes are the same, that in fact, you know, that's a variant of the other one.
And you you want to build a pattern matcher that has the flexibility to see that.
On some of its best pieces and Emmy's best uh successes, it's very difficult to tell the difference between a real Mozart composition and the composition that Emmy has produced based on Mozart's style.
It's as if Mozart composed it himself.
He spent a lot of hours, or I spent a lot of hours up here by myself coding in works and number crunching and writing, um, you know, writing programs, you get kind of uh strange, but when the Emacs poured out the first movement of this one, I uh jumped up and screamed and and stuck my head down into this CPU area and screamed, Woofy!
Are you in there?
I was convinced that Mozart had returned to life.
The second movement is a is a slow movement, as is the case in in uh Mozart's sonatas.
And uh it's very interesting because the theme resembles uh the theme of one of the real Mozart sonatas, but not one that had been coded into the machine.
I'll play a little bit of each one, and uh if you can see the music, then it's cheating because it's very obvious which is which from looking at the score.
But just listening, I d I'm not sure I could tell if I didn't know this particular Mozart sonata.
That's the theme of one, and the theme of another one is something like this.
Um, the first one I played was really Mozart.
I did not even know the Mozart sonata which it imitated.
So when I first heard it, I said that's a really nice, that's a really nice theme, and it really seems to make sense.
And then when Mary Jane, my wife heard it, she's a pianist who certainly played or at least sight read through all of the Mozart sonatas, and she said, Wow, that sounds uh very much like this other one.
And then I saw the other one for the first time, and was uh was really quite taken aback by by the resemblance.
I I thought it was a little scary.
I have played the beginnings of those two pieces, the the real Mozart and the Emmy Mozart, uh, for a student, and asked him to tell me which was which, and his reaction was, that's amazing.
And he picked the wrong one.
He picked the wrong one as being authentic.
If he put in one sonata by Mozart and asked this machine through its sampling and its study of the piece to create a Mozart sonata, that uh that would not be enough data for the machine to be able to to really come come back with a sense of Mozart's style.
But by putting in two sonatas, that he figured that the elements that were in common between the two would constitute Mozart's style.
Whereas the elements that were peculiar to one or the other would be just the peculiarity of that one sonata.
The essence of it is I apply the pattern matcher to, or Emmy applies the pattern matcher to a work, um, and and uh gets what I call an image, which is essentially lists and lists and lists of uh occurrences of various patterns.
So it ends up with uh this particular musical pattern happens uh 2,340 times.
This particular pattern happens four times.
And then it does the same thing to a second work.
So we have basically, you know, a minimum of two images.
And the key here is then it takes one of the images and superimposes it over the other image.
And when you do that, something extremely important happens.
You see immediately that some of the motives increase twofold, and that other of the motives don't increase at all or increase by very small amounts.
And what this shows you is is that the motives that don't increase very much are ones that are local to the given work, but the ones that increase measurably or by large amounts are ones that are common between the two pieces.
And these things are called stylistic signatures, things that help us recognize the style of the composer rather than just an individual work of that composer.
I mean it was uh was born out of a conflict uh between me and my own compositions, and or compositional ability to the extent that I had a commission in 1981, and I could come up with nothing.
I had complete composer's block.
And as a result of that, I I sought help and found it, I thought at least at the time, still think so, in the solace of a computer.
The emulations of Bach and Mozart and so forth are a byproduct.
I never intended those to happen.
And in fact, I kept people from hearing them for a long time, figuring that it was my first step to some kind of Disneyland sainthood.
I did those composers only to prove that it would be effective on my own style.
Being unable to describe my own style, it was easier to try and describe the style of Mozart.
When it's used as an aid to get over a composer's writing block, I think it's a fascinating tool.
Not so much for the fact that it can then produce music in the composer's own style and help them get around that block, but I think it's an incredible learning tool uh for the composer in what it shows that the composer won't do.
The fact that a machine can follow human instructions in doing something that hitherto only humans could do, that is, write fairly successful imitations of master western European composers, is uh I don't know.
It's almost uninteresting.
What I sensed was that it worked well in short circumscribed pieces that could be easily defined and worked well by rules.
At this stage, it doesn't really know uh the difference between a good melody and a bad melody.
And then when it got into more complex pieces, it had somewhat more difficulty.
You can get likenesses, but the originality is never going to be there.
Because it's based on copying the original work in the first place, isn't it?
I am first last and in and always basically a composer.
And and all the program that's gone by in the last eight years, all the uh the centering on musical style of mostly other composers has kept me from my work.
And I heard the concert uh rope music festival that uh several pieces that Emma wrote were played next to uh the original compositions and I found pieces that Emma played were quite interesting to listen to.
They did have recognizably similar styles, in some cases it wasn't easy for me to tell which pieces were original and which pieces were composed by Emmy.
Bach work side by side, you have this almost Mozart and this Mozart.
And even without knowing anything of the details of how Emmy works, even without knowing that it was done by a machine, just saying, okay, here's something that's almost like CP Bach, but it's not quite.
What's the difference?
And just thinking about that problem can shed considerable light on what's going on.
There's been a lot of questioning about sort of violating the the sacred trust that each composer has left us by adding to it.
Um but I think that that's something that the initial reaction might be to something like this one of shock and horror.
But when you step back and look at it objectively, it's really a study in style.
And and the amazing thing that we discovered with this was that there really hasn't been much study of style up to this point.
A full-blown definition of style in general and of particular style styles uh really hasn't been focused on very much by musicians or musicologists.
What constitutive style is not just something interesting or musical, it is the use of that thing that's interesting over and over and over again over a period of time.
Every musician, every music historian, every concert goer who's at all sensitive, can immediately or almost immediately identify the individual styles of a large, large number of composers.
And uh one could imagine the future in which people prefer to listen to fake Mozart over Mozart.
I would hate to think that would happen.
Um, and and uh misused uh very very badly.
From the totally pragmatic side, I think Emmy does have the potential to uh replace composers to some extent.
And I really imagine that in certain areas it'd be very successful at it.
Uh you know, motion pictures, commercial work in particular.
You know, we tend to think of her as as female somehow, because Emmy is sort of a a female sounding name.
Is she going to put flesh and blood composers out of business?
Or is she going to go down to LA and and uh uh start cranking out pop tunes and and racking up platinum albums?
Um, and is she going to uh further threaten the uh already precarious existence that uh serious composers, art music composers listen.
Well, well, I'm uh not losing any sleep over that at the moment.
I give assignments for the students to imitate Stravinsky and WC and other composers.
And uh, you know, uh a lot of times they come up with some some striking striking results.
And uh it is uh so far, you know, better than than any.
Uh so that uh there would be nothing to keep the uh let's say the studio or the company from hiring you know, legit composer to imitate the style of T U under uh in in uh without a computer or anything.
You know, it may make people upset, I guess, but it's a fact.
It happened.
The computer did it, and it pretty much sounds like Mozart or Scott Joplin, so I guess they're just gonna have to get used to it.
Would I buy an Emmy record?
Oh, yeah, I think I would, yeah.
I might out of curiosity.
No.
Why not?
It's not, um I don't find it to be as inspirational as the real music is.
It's extremely fascinating and extremely interesting, but doesn't inspire me.
I don't regard it as as very likely that computers uh will ever create great music.
It's true that I don't believe that any of the stuff that is produced is anywhere near as good as the real stuff.
I think it's quite possible that uh computers will produce large quantities of the low-quality music that uh is already produced in large quantity by human composers.
Part of the pleasure of of any art is in the doing, not just in the in the final product.
And I don't think that that the existence of programs that can compose is going to stop people from wanting to do their own compositions.
And I it basically invented it so that I could keep on composing.
The ultimate aim still is to create a workstation where I and other composers that they so desire can be inspired to continue on their own.
The ultimate aim would be that I would sit at the keyboard and never push the return button to have Emmy do anything.
Um, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, I'm not gonna be a company.
So I'm talking about um this term called ethical sourcing, and just so you have some background, it's it's coming from the NIH initiative called Bridge to AI, which began about four years ago, and you see San Diego as one of the partners.
One of the things that occurred early on when I first started working, and I'm part of the I'm a principal investigator for the ethics core.
The bridge to AI is 130 million dollars.
It could be more initiative to create four data sets that I'll talk about in just a second.
The idea behind Bridge to AI is that they wanted to generate new data and best practices to propel modern machine learning toward improved health care.
And so they funded and initiated the development of four data repositories, and each of these are very unique data repositories.
Part of the goal is to advance a culture of ethical reflection around the life cycle of a data repository creation and to create a trained workforce skilled in new and responsible methods of data creation management and use.
So the pillars for bridge to AI are data, ethics, and people.
And when we first started working together, it was really an interesting way of bringing people together.
It wasn't just a group of people who had proposed to do something.
They liked the NIH liked certain parts of what different groups proposed.
And so they mixed and matched them.
So from the very early beginning, we were partnering with people that we didn't really know with disciplines that we didn't really understand.
And it took some time to start learning about what it was we were trying to do, how we were going to create these repositories.
And these four grand challenges, what we call data generation projects also, one of them is a data repository that's based on detecting disease and health through voice recordings.
How many syllables would it take for me to identify that you are predisposed to Parkinson's?
So really sensitive data that needs to be stored in very secure ways.
Who can have access to those data?
How are those data collected so that they can be used in a way that can inform health?
Another one was called AI Ready, and these are still active, so I won't say was, it is, and its goal is to recruit 4,000 people to learn more about how AI can be used in clinical care focusing on type 2 diabetes.
So those are existing data sets, not prospective.
The first two that I mentioned are prospective recruitment of people to contribute data.
And then CEM for AI, which is led by Trey Eidecker here at UC San Diego, is looking to map cell structure function and disease context using cell lines, looking at 200 genes and proteins for coordinated experiments in these three modalities.
So very, very different kinds of data and across these four data generation programs.
So we're looking at electronic health records, digital and wearable data, waveform data, survey data, clinical data and imaging, as well as genomic data.
One of the consortium goals is how do we empower researchers, clinicians, and communities to collaborate collaboratively generate high-quality, ethically sourced data sets that reflect the diversity of human experience.
About a year to 15 months into the program, I was working with a tribe from South Dakota trying to help the National Institutes of Health understand what data they may be willing to share, where that data may be able to go, who might be able to touch it, and working with the program officers, it was just, I I there was a real disconnect about what was possible.
And I asked the question because of the branding of Bridge to AI focused on creating four flagship databases that were trustworthy, AI ready, and ethically sourced.
I asked the question, what does it mean to be ethically sourced?
And there was a pause.
And the response was we're hoping that you would define that.
And this is a year plus into the program where the data are already being generated, they're already being put into repository.
And the whole goal is to make this open access public data that can be used by all kinds of people who want to learn more about AI and machine learning.
So it's a training database.
And it really caused me pause.
Obviously, I'm part of the ethics core, and I thought, well, gosh, if we should we have known this before now, and I think we probably should have.
But it really kind of set me on a path of trying to figure out what does that mean?
So the reason it matters is because ethically sourced is kind of the foundation of what makes something trustworthy, AI ready, and a flagship data set.
It's foundational, it's not supposed to be, okay, let's get that ethics in here at the very end and make it look like we did something here, which oftentimes happens.
So I'm not being facetious, but bridged AI very intentionally put ethics at the forefront.
And so creating an ethically sourced database has implications of public trust about who wants to use these data and downstream performance.
So thinking about this, I ended up using my friend GPT to ask about the origin of ethically sourced.
What does it where did that come from?
And it turned out, and I'm not a business person, but it came from supply chain management.
How many of you remember back in back in the day when Nike did some bad things, polluted rivers, hired children, really poor labor practices.
So I was thinking, wow, this is super interesting.
And so I started reading the literature on supply chain management.
And the whole purpose of that was to get these companies to not just create a product, but to tell people that they were partnering with good partners, that they were committed to not polluting, that they were gonna have good labor practices.
And so when you bought the product, you know that it was created by a company that had committed to social values and norms.
And so then they started creating branding around these terms, and I just I learned a lot and I started thinking about how do we how do we map what we're doing with the data repository development and map that into the supply chain management framework.
And so what we did is we took what's called value-sensitive design, which helps us understand what the various stakeholder values are and where those ethical tensions lie, because there's always going to be, well, if we do this, then we're gonna give up that, and and having those reflections so that you could think about what those tensions are and making those visible so that decision making would be informed, knowing that these tensions exist, and then the supply chain management operationalizes the processes and accountability, and then by combining value-sensitive design with supply chain management features, we could start to define what ethically sourced looks like from the very initial stages of planning through implementation and management.
And it was so fascinating to me early on.
I'd ask in my various meetings, what does that mean to you?
And so many times I'd hear, hey, ours is exempt, IRB's not involved, we did our regulatory stuff, we're just we're good.
Oh, yeah, we got consent, we're good.
You know, and so everyone that I spoke to thought this is all we gotta do.
And I kept thinking to myself, no, and I think part of this is the term ethics.
I think it we have a gap or a barrier in how people interpret that word.
So maybe it's responsible, maybe it's accountable, maybe it's transparent, maybe it's a lot of these different kinds of values.
So, one of the things that I needed to set up is success and not penalization.
Because every single one of these data repository generation projects had already started.
They had already started collecting data.
They had begun their process of even releasing it.
So it wasn't that they wouldn't have been able to do it.
It's just that we're working in parallel.
Here comes the data repository, and now we're defining ethical sourcing.
So my goal was to say that it doesn't have to be all up front that you can actually strengthen what we think of as ethical sourcing retroactively.
And that when we identify the gaps, we can minimize those gaps through documentation, governance updates, community engagement, and transparency.
So the values, as I mentioned, transparency is talking about where did the data come from?
What was the origin of those data?
Were there permissions?
Were they even needed?
Were permissions even needed?
But knowing where these data originated, knowing and documenting the metadata that is needed to make sure we understand the source of data, accountability, who's involved in governance, where is it happening?
How is it audited?
And whose role?
Who's doing what?
And I think in any of these big data generation projects, and the reason we're doing this is because we really need to know what the data are, how they were collected, what even the vendor name, the model number, so we can make sense of what the data are.
And you think about using electronic health records as a source of training data, it's very, very, very messy.
You may correct me on that, Dr.
Singh, but I think it's pretty messy.
We have integrity issues.
We think about data quality and validity, thinking about sustainability, what is the long-term stewardship?
What happens when the NIH chooses not to continue to support these data repositories?
What happens at that point?
They're not there, there's a lot of questions there.
And then respect for human rights.
We have to think about consent, dignity, and community engagement is a very important part of this.
So with this supply chain management lifestyle lifecycle, we're thinking about these steps, like in supply chain management, the first thing you do is demand planning.
What does that translate to when you're thinking about building a biodata repository?
What is the demand?
How does that how do we move and define the scientific need and what the ethical risks are?
What is the design consideration, governance and architecture, sourcing, inclusive, representative data acquisition, processing, quality control, distribute distribution and control access.
When you build something that is going to be used for machine learning, AI, when you're building something like this, what do you need to think about?
And she said, Well, it's almost like you have to think about building a building, you have to think about HVAC, you have to think about soil density, you have to think about all of these things that are gonna hold up the structure, and when the NIH provides funding to say do this fast, a lot of that structure doesn't happen in ways that I think we would all want to see it happen.
So clearly we are kind of at a crossroads, but it's coming together, and so what I did here in this table in this paper, I'll I have it at the end of the slide.
Um, it's open access, any of you can download it, and what we did is we looked at this uh supply chain management step.
We talked about how it looks in supply chain management, like forecast demand, understanding the objectives, then we said what would it look like in a health data repository counterpart?
And then what are the ethical sourcing values?
Who are the actors?
And this is really important.
You think here we have clinicians, we have researchers, we have data scientists, we have sustainability experts, we have business analysts, we have the public, we have architects for data, IT experts, we have people that are sourcing managers, we have procurement, we have legal people that are looking at the agreements between the company that wants to do uh retinal imaging and getting that retinal image to the data repository, and do we trade the use of equipment in exchange for giving that company back free data?
So there's a lot of different places things can be a little questionable that we have to start unpacking and looking at.
I have no idea about technical privacy, how to create blockchain, but but together we can learn to talk to each other and start solving some of these really difficult, challenging parts of this infrastructure.
And so when I think about the actors and bridge to AI, and this is true for anybody that's building a health data repository.
This just happens to be a use case.
We need to know that the sponsors are aware of what risks that they're promoting when they say do this very, very fast in four years, and we can't be confident we can fund you after that.
Okay, and then the data contributors and the communities that they represent.
What time are we spending not only in thinking that we can do consent, but what's the implication for the communities that these people represent?
What forms of governance and stewardship are there?
We don't think about there's an I or B somewhere that somebody saw.
Governance has to happen, and stewardship has to happen at every single touch point across the life cycle.
We think about the clinical and research teams that are going to be involved, the data creators, the designers, the users, and then again regulatory and ethical perspectives happen throughout.
So this table talks about who the actors are, what the roles are, what the challenges are, how you would mitigate issues that are challenging, what those tensions are that we were talking about, what are the values that you rely on to draw or draw on when a conflict arises, and then what are the open questions that we still have?
Now, again, this is very conceptual.
It was something that it was a starting point to get us to what does ethically sourced mean?
But I didn't want to stop there.
I wanted to move from getting this paper out that starts conversations, but what would it look like if we could take this concept and get it into a tool that leaderships could use to start thinking about what do I need to think about?
How do I evaluate myself?
How do I identify can there be things that I can improve?
So using it as a tool to do better work.
So as I said, Bridge to AI set a very ambitious goal to have ethically sourced AI ready data, ethically sourced meant different things to different teams.
Our paper, you know, we proposed a framework, and the checklist that I'm working on now puts that into a very practical and useful tool.
So the checklist covers this entire life cycle, which is looks like I have 11 steps.
So, what's the purpose of doing this?
What's the provenance and traceability of the data?
Did consent happen or should it have happened?
What about community involvement, equity and bias mitigation, data quality and integrity, documentation, data sheets, health sheets, all of the pieces that go into that governance and accountability, access and use controls, privacy and security, stewardship, sustainability and documentation and public communication.
And I really think this part where you not only evaluate yourself but you make public where you stand.
And this is where I think we get closer to having a brand that can be meaningful to the public, and the public is who's paying for this.
So this is an again, I took my paper because it was published and I put it in one of our subscription uh large language models, and I said, What would a checklist look like?
And it came out with a really really bad Excel thing.
And I don't like I'm not an Excel user, so I thought, no, this is this makes me uncomfortable.
I said, Can you make it more aesthetically pleasing?
Without compromising the content that's in this paper?
And it gave me some pretty nice stuff, and I like it so far.
It's accurate, it hasn't done anything misleading, it hasn't added things that I didn't have.
So I'm checking it twice.
But now my next step is to start working with different groups like the standards working group, the groups that are creating the other parts of the infrastructure, the tools group, the data group, our ethics working group, to go through each one of these things to try to find out is how we're saying this meaningful to you, or does it not make sense, or would you say it differently?
And so we have columns where somebody can say, Yes, I did this, I kind of did this, nope, I didn't do it, or it wasn't act uh applicable, and then you document your evidence, and I'll show you what that might look like.
So these are just snapshots of what the checklist is looking like so far.
Um it has all of those little boxes that I showed you earlier, but this is what it would look like if it were to be filled out.
So on the left, you see consent language covers actual data uses, including the use of machine learning and and artificial intelligence.
So then under the documentation piece, you would say, well, consent forms currently explicitly reference data analysis and algorithmic development, but early versions did not explicitly name downstream AI ML model training or data reuse across institutions.
So what the action is is that we could revise consent language for future cohorts to explicitly reference the machine learning, secondary analysis, cross-site data sharing, and add transparency statements for legacy participants.
Um so this the idea is that you would have actionable items, you would know between your team, you could identify what should we prioritize and start start working on.
This one's about data sharing and stewardship practices.
So data use agreements reflect ethical constraints.
Does the data use agreement prohibit re-identification, redistribution, non-approved uses, reinforcement mechanisms?
What the action is is to periodically review DUAs as a new use case emerges.
So again, it it can be a lot, but it's a starting point.
Right now, not there's nothing.
So I think having a tool that people can actually use is going to be a good starting point.
Um, how they could use this is they could do this self-assessment, they can identify strengths and gaps, they can develop action plans, and they can publish transparent public public statements about their strengths, their gaps and improvements.
Umperational opportunities.
I'm clearly working on the checklist, but this could also be something that we would use for onboarding to start socializing people about what they need to think about.
Um, there are so many different actors that come from different disciplines that have been socialized to ethical and responsible practices in very different ways.
You have clinicians that are licensed, you have researchers that may have been exposed to scientific ethics.
You have sometimes business people that have not had anything to do with that and may not really understand what the culture and the norms are.
So bringing these people together during onboarding and learning what the expectations are and having a checklist.
I I and Karen Deep, I was in this uh Google Hastings Center bioethics AI thing about what five years ago, and I was in a breakout room with a Google engineer who said, I want to do things that are responsible and ethical.
I don't know what that means.
I just need a checklist, and engineers really like checklists.
So that's kind of where I'm seeing this going is that we give people what they may not know that they don't know, so that they can start getting familiar, and it may not be their responsibility in one section, but it could be in another.
So this is kind of a uh this is a fault of mine.
I like to get things into the workforce practical applied, get things out there, and so that's what we're doing now.
So again, this is a goal to kind of identify gaps, figure out what you would operationalize to do this in your work, and you know what supports would help you to get there.
This is the paper.
You can type the PMC number right into your uh search bar and it will come up.
Um, so thank you.
Um, welcome to Inside City Hall, the show where we take a closer look at your city government through the lens of its boards and commissions.
In this show, we'll meet the volunteer commissioners and board members who provide expertise and guidance in critical decision making that affects our community.
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Hi, I'm Autumn King.
And in this episode, we're joined by part members of the Parks and Recreation Advisory Commission.
Today we're joined by Commissioner Duane Aikins, Commissioner Corbin, and Director Nicholas Williams.
Welcome to you all.
Thank you.
Thanks for having us.
So first, let's get into what this department is.
Can you tell us a little bit about Parks Recreation and Youth Development as a department?
The Parks Recreation and Youth Development Department exists to create equitable access to parks and recreational programs and facilities throughout Oakland for all of Oaklanders.
And so we have after school programs, summer programs, we have uh aquatic programs, sports programs, cultural enrichment programs, programs for adults, seniors, and youth.
Um, our primary focus is youth development, and so our primary focus for programming is for youth, but we have programs for all of Oaklanders.
And what does that look like?
What does that look like as far as the actual programs that you have for youth versus the ones that you have for teens versus the ones that you have for adults?
We have a myriad of programs.
Um we include summer camp, after school programs, enrichment programs.
Again, you know, we have sports programs both for adults who like to get out and and compete.
Um we have intramural programs, less competition, but we have uh a variety of uh of sports programs for for youth as well.
Um, and then we have uh cultural artistic experiences, we have reintroduction to nature programs, and so everything that involves green space, outdoor space, reintroduction to nature.
Um, we have a robust swimming initiative, um, and then everything that happens in our summer programs and an after school.
Excellent.
So, how does that tie into the commission itself?
What are some of the work that you do on the commission, Commissioner Corbin?
So some of the work that we do is um policy related, and so we are a volunteer organization of representatives of our community, and so any sort of park issues usually come before the board anywhere from events, anywhere from um the re-establishment of like a recreation center, the new buildings, anything that has to do with green space, nature within um the city of Oakland, we have a say on it.
And what's really important about that is for the community to have a say on it.
So we're community representatives working alongside of the government, and what we also do is liaison work with the recreation center so we can have like on the grid on the ground knowledge of what our community members are dealing with and their needs and concerns and we bring that to parks and recreation and hopefully um work out a resolution so that's a lot of our work is so you're actually bringing the community's voice to director Williams and others within the department to help shape the department and how it moves forward that's correct um definitely that so listening to a lot of community members that are dealing with anything from for instance the homeless encampment issue to making sure that the parks are safe um providing accessible parks beyond proximity but where people can actually produce their culture whether that's barbecuing whether that's praying whether that is just enjoying a quiet time because it's such a shared space we have to think about everybody and we want to make sure that everybody has uh a space and a place to feel welcome at all of our parks in Oakland.
So then give me some specific issues or projects that you guys are working on right now Commissioner Aikens.
So when I when I got to the commission in 2017 it was really more so talking about re-engaging the RACs and that's the recreation advisory councils for the specific parks and so that looks totally different from the MPHCs that are sitting around the neighborhood associate association groups that normally meet and they pretty much most times meet at the recreation centers.
But they're interested in making sure that their neighborhood parks are strong and specifically the ones with recreation centers.
For example I'm a noun assigned to Rainbow, Brookdale, Arroyo and Golden Gate Park so part of my job is developing relationships with those parks the easiest relationship to develop was obviously with a Royal Park because that's where I started most of my work for in this space by being on a on the board of directors for Keep Oakland beautiful and uh that's how that's how I end up getting appointed to be on the commission based off of doing that work.
And so the goal there is to all the new faces that's moving into that community to get them more so engaged, have more so like secession planning meetings me and uh Commissioner Corbin actually have the cool opportunity to pretty much develop a RAC toolkit so that we can have uh widgets basically so our commissioners can go out there and say look this is what this is what this part looks like this is what this part looked like and just really being strong enough and uh passionate enough to connect people with the things that's going on in city in the city uh let them know the resources that they have the grant opportunities that some programs have to support so really being a voice in a in a connector and it sounds like what you're doing is also finding the thread and keeping the continuity between the the missions and the goals of the department and what the public is seeing.
Is that a fair statement?
Yes.
Director Williams can you tell us a little bit about how your role and and staff members interact with the board.
So as the director of the department is my role to direct the internal staff um and so I serve as the liaison between the department and the PRAC commissioners and so in those meetings we we um uh talk about um pre-planning um we uh talk about park rules and then I share the thoughts and the direction that comes from the commissioners with staff and then we direct the department to to act accordingly to the to the rules and and to the uh established protocols that we put together with the PRAC.
And how often do you all meet?
Once a month all right this is a probably a good time for our first break we'll have some more conversation with our commissioners as soon as we get back.
We're back.
Thanks for joining us once again we are joined by the Parks and Recreation advisory commission.
In that last segment, we were talking about uh a few, there were a few themes that came up about service and the roles that you all play.
And it really got me to thinking about your volunteering.
This is an unpaid position.
Why did you get involved with this commission?
I see you chuckling.
What is that are you questioning your involvement at this point?
What is it that actually drove you to be part of the Parks and Recreation advisory commission?
For me uh yeah, I was laughing because I do a lot of volunteer work.
I actually run a nonprofit organization, but I was on a board of directors for six years for Keep Oakland Beautiful.
So I did my full term in close, near halfway being done.
I just finished the fellowship with organizing for action, which is under Barack Obama regime.
So I was like, you gotta be something else that I can do civically to get more insight information.
And uh I use the green spaces.
So I was like, I love going to the parks, I'm always there.
Why not contribute to the parks?
And then seeing uh so many of the violent things and stuff that were going on in the park, especially a royal.
I talk about that park a lot because I grew up down the street from it, and I work in education, and every time you cut on the TV, uh in recent recent years, you hear about some young person getting killed, walking through the park, somebody being found in the creek.
So I really wanted to figure out ways to where I can engage the community on the next level instead of just going out there for Creek the Bay Day, Earth Day and doing cleanup projects, but how can I represent my community, show uh individuals that look like me definitely that there's some of us that are here sitting at the table, we're communicating for you, and we want to model this for you so you can have the courage to do it too.
And then lastly, uh Donald Trump actually got me fired up to get more engaged because I feel like in cities and in our national government that we have a lot of folks that sent with power and they're not utilizing their voice to directly affect my community.
So I want to be somebody that can definitely say, regardless to whatever happened at the end of the day, you'll know that Dwayne Aikins did something for you.
I was valued and uh I was working hard for you.
So that's that's why I joined the commission.
Commissioner Corbin, what drives you to volunteer your time serving the people of Oakland in this way?
Well, I grew up in the DMV, which is like DC Maryland, Virginia area, which a lot of our park spaces were free and accessible, um, the museums were free, and this idea of public space became so intimate in my growth.
I'm a student at UC Berkeley, I'm a PhD candidate.
I study race class and access to green space, and I've been an Oaklander since 2011 solidly, but since 2004, I've been between Oakland and and um Berkeley, and I just realized that I don't think I would be in the position I am getting a PhD if it wasn't for public spaces.
Um they're educational, it's it's fun spaces, it's spaces where you can meet your neighbors and build community.
It it has all these things to it that a lot of people don't actually realize.
It it can bridge a lot of barriers.
But programming is important and the funding is important, and so looking at looking at Oakland and realizing that you to go to the zoo, it costs money, to go to the museum, it costs money.
Um, I don't know where I would be being raised by a single mom in low-income community if I had if the economic barrier was there for me.
And for that, I feel giving back, being a latchkey kid in the 80s, growing up in the recreation center.
So, for instance, I'm swearing my defemory shirt.
So going there just reminds me of home.
You know, you can just talk, you can have conversations, you see kids playing, and it's not only healing for me, you know, but it's something that I can do for my community, and that's why it became really important for me to not only um volunteer but give back to Oakland, um, a city that has done so much for me.
And I kind of use this line that I was born and raised in the DMV, but I became an adult in Oakland, and that's pretty prideful for me.
So I heard you drop your shirt, and we talked about it earlier.
So you want to let everyone see at home what you're wearing and tell us a little bit about it.
So Defemory Park is a historical African American park that um the African-American community that came here during the South during the World War II.
Um, interesting enough, during all the World War II uh shipbuilding and everything that was going on in in Richmond, the USO soldiers couldn't be there because of segregation.
So the only places that they can actually cut a rug and enjoy themselves as officers serving our country was at Defemory Park.
And a lot of folks don't know that that those USO USO soldiers actually opened the space for the Black Panthers to come in and do their work at Defemory Park.
So there's this really interesting history of park space, culture creation, green space creation in Oakland that I don't think a lot of folks know, but all of that history like resides in the community.
So if you just go out there and talk, you get a whole history lesson.
And to support the park, we're actually selling T-shirts.
So it's two for 25, I believe one for 15.
Um it will go towards a lot of needs that need to be met for um our kids, kids like myself that are low income that could probably use help with scholarships, after school programs, and so this is part of the work is also understanding that our parks need support, and we can be park pride, prideful, and we can also fund it through these really interesting ways.
I love that.
I'm gonna have to get my shirt, please.
Director Williams, you are not volunteering.
This is not a committee that you sit on just for giggles.
Tell me a little bit about your work with the commission and and what you see as as your connection as the director of the department in working directly with the commission and getting work done.
Well, the commission is vital to the forward progress of parks, recreation youth development in Oakland.
When we think about um some of the ills that Oakland is facing as a community and as a society, and we think about what parks and recreation youth development becomes for so many of our kids, it becomes a safe place.
It becomes a place after school where I can get something to eat.
It becomes a place where I can get assistance with my homework that I may be struggling with.
It becomes a place where I can um talk to my friends, where I can get actually the time and space to be a kid.
Um and so the work that we do, the policies and the rules and the procedures that we put together to operate parks and recreation in Oakland is extremely important.
Um, you know, I uh my most memorable experiences growing up as a kid, um, were in a royal park.
My dad, uh I learned how to ride my bike in a royal, I learned how to hit a softball, I learned how to shoot a basket, I learned how to run from a dog, you know, everything at a royal park, and so I know how important it is, and that was like super special time.
And so when we go out to the recreation centers now and we see kids um and they're laughing and playing and smiling and learning and engaging, um, learning tools that there need to be that they will need to be uh productive citizens, then we know that we're doing the right work, and so it's it's my job to stay connected to the commission to have um to make sure that we have our ear to the community so that we can push forward programs that the community needs, and so that we're always an agency that is providing for the specific needs regionally and around our neighborhoods and then collectively for Oakland as a whole.
And so the commission is extremely important.
There's a lot of work um that goes along with this department, and we couldn't do it by ourselves, and so we're thankful to have the relationship with the commissioners.
Um thank you for your work.
Um and so um it's we love it.
It's very rewarding.
Um, and if you go out to the recreation centers and you see um the smiles uh on the kids' face, you'll we know that you know that our work is meaningful and needed.
Um, we also provide opportunities for adults and seniors.
Um this thing about nature and being in green space is so important.
Um there's actually scientific medical data now that says that there's healing that takes place in green space.
There's healing that takes place along the waterfront or in the woods, and so we want to make sure that these places are safe and accessible because if you need to um everybody should have the opportunity to have these this type of healing quality that happens in our natural spaces.
Oakland is so unique, you can go to the water, um, you know, if it's very unique in in inner city, um you've got the Joaquin Miller's um where you can oversee the skyline, so there's so much that it has to offer.
We want to make sure that our kids get to experience all of it.
Sounds like we need another t-shirt for every single park that we have.
I already hear two votes for Arroyo having their own t-shirt.
And so next, can we get one for Diamond?
That's my closest part.
Okay, okay.
And then we'll do Joaquin Miller.
That's another one I go to a lot.
Sign you up for the T-shirt.
Yes, sign me up for the t-shirts.
We're gonna take a quick break and then we'll come back and talk to you guys just a little bit more.
Thanks for watching.
We are inside City Hall, and we are talking to the Parks and Recreation Advisory Commission.
We'll be right back.
Hi, my name is Yvonne Cassidus, and I'm the director of community engagement with the mayor's office in the city of Oakland.
I'm here to invite you to apply for our boards and commissions.
We have about 35 of them, and we believe there's a board or commission for everyone, and we really want to make sure that our boards and commissions reflect the diversity of Oakland.
So how do you apply?
You head to our city's website, you'll see boards and commissions, click on that.
That page will have a listing of all of our boards and commissions, and you'll be able to see uh what the requirements are, what the meeting times are, if there are any vacancies.
Read through those, see which ones interest you, and you can apply for one of them by clicking on the green apply button, or you can apply for few all at once.
You'll be asked to submit your resume as well as a couple sentences of why you're interested, and then once you hit submit, we'll get uh the application and you'll get a confirmation that you've applied.
It takes about two to three months uh for us to review the application.
The review is handled by either the staff liaison to the board or the board chair or nominating committee, and they're just trying to see that uh your interests match up and also your qualifications match up with the requirements of the board.
That then gets sent to the mayor and I.
Uh we prepare a letter of appointment, she'll sign it, and then the ultimate approval and vote um is done by city council.
Then the city clerk's office helps you get sworn in and sign any necessary paperwork.
So we want to encourage you to apply.
There is a board and commission for everyone.
Uh, we definitely want people who uh want to help local government and believe in local government.
Um boards and commissions work on things that Oaklanders care about, whether it's libraries, um, parks.
Uh there are a number of boards that were created by voter mandates.
For example, Measure H uh created the Sugar Sweetened Beverage Tax Advisory Board, uh Measure L L created the police commission.
Uh but ultimately uh each board has its own unique set of requirements, and we're really seeking folks from all sorts of uh life experiences and backgrounds to be a part of each board.
So again, we encourage you to apply, and if you have any questions, you can always reach out to the mayor's office and myself.
So we hope to see you and your application uh coming in, and then you'll be able to join the 300 plus team of excellent volunteers for the city of Oakland.
Welcome back.
I'm Autumn King, and once again we are talking with the Parks and Recreation Advisory Commission.
So in the last segment, we were talking a great deal about your personal uh uh entrance into working with Parks and Rec.
Tell me a little bit about the work that you do that services the actual individual Oakland people.
How is your work servicing individual people in Oakland?
Well, I'll talk about um just Commissioner Corbin, for example.
Um, I host my own independent summer camp, but I hit Commissioner Corbin up and I was like, I really want my summer campers to learn more about the commission, learn a little bit about the work that we do.
Can you talk about this just environmental justice?
Because that's what she's getting their doctoral degree in, which is pretty pretty cool, and also for kids to see somebody that looked like them that's a woman getting that degree from UC Berkeley.
I thought that was pretty big, and at first I was like, these kids go be horrible, they're not gonna really like this, but I mean the pictures that they drew uh from her uh from her uh lesson was awesome, and they start looking at when we're walking through communities going to parks, they start looking at them differently, even with the homeless crisis that's going on, they was connecting things there.
And uh yesterday I was at Rainbow Park working with uh teen Oakland, and we also did an environmental justice urban planning lesson.
So we literally walked from seminary all the way up to 70 73rd to the uh and just had a conversation about the community.
What do you see?
What don't you see?
And they was like, We see a whole bunch of churches.
I said, Is there anything wrong with that?
One young lady said, The churches look beat up then uh I was like okay not not good to say that about the churches but it was a real thing to say and then I said what else you see we don't have enough garbage cans and I was like okay what else you see I see a lot of litter and then we got to Haven's court and I said look to the left because we're on the on the opposite side of the school and uh I said this looked very suburban and I was like why is that this and they one of the kids actually jumped and jumped into tax bracket and so we had like this really good conversation like it was like everything to the right is really dirty but everything to the left when you go up that block looks really good.
And um I think they left feeling empowered and understanding more so why it's important to do the work of Teen Oakland and not just consider themselves just walking around picking up trash and uh true story uh I graduated from Oakland technical high school and uh I remember some guys from UC Berkeley they came to our econ government class and so they would come once a week and we would walk to the MacArthur Bart station and we sketched out pictures and all that stuff that Corbin was doing this summer with the kids about what do a futuristic park look like and um we sketched those buildings that's coming up and I was like I wonder is any of those guys that was in there talking to us was they a part of that cohort of this whole big picture and so when you really get the impact youth on a bigger level and let them know that yes you hear all these stories about gentrification all these things but if you equip yourself with the tools and the resources that you can be here in Oakland if you want to stay and you can compete and you can be a part of the change that's happening and have a have your uh beat and be a member of the stake stakeholder group and uh when you hear when you see individuals especially the young people and they really can just hold on to that and remember what you say and then start you start seeing them practice and putting forth the effort and the energy you like okay this is why I do the work this is where I'm going to go to a commission meeting this is why I'm going to step up and help and do my part.
I like the fact that um you called on your fellow commissioner outside of commission hours for other work that you're doing to help with the community is there a point of pride that you have that you can share with us that about your work through the commission or that's maybe catapulted you into another area well I think one thing I could say is that being on the commission has given me some wiggle room to really think through ideas and I like to employ like science fiction and Afrofuturism and so the work that we that I did do with Commissioner Akin was I kind of fangirled it and brought all like everything that I owned that was Black Panther.
And um what a lot of folks don't realize it's like the first Afrocentric green city you know and it's it's very different from roots it's it's not looking backwards but it's looking forward and it really gets people thinking about what does a social a socially and environmentally just future look like for Oakland and so from all of this work it I I've again I've nerded out and I come up with this concept of Jedi so environmental Jedi is what I call myself and in our commissioners here which is environmental justice equity diversity and inclusion because you need them all right so justice is looking backwards of all the atrocities and uh a lot of the environmental harms that has happened in the flats of Oakland but it for that needs that definitely needs to be recognized so we need that we need equity we need to meet everybody where they are making sure they have the right resources we need to understand what diversity means in our park because everybody gets down in their green spaces differently and we need to make sure all of us are sharing this and then inclusion that means different mobilities different wants you know having a multi-generational park system is is very important.
So when you bring that all together for environmental Jedi's um it's the environmental Jedi way, you know, yeah, and it's kind of a mind trick.
Because people can start talking about parks in a very fun futuristic way, and we can actually like kind of break free from our past and look at what's possible in the future.
So how do we Jedi mind trick more folks into joining the commission?
What is the route that people would take in order to join the commission?
I got a I literally got a Facebook message like here's all the list of the commissions, and they went directly to the uh to the Oakland website and it listed all the commissions.
You fill out one application and you pick three commissions, and then based on what seat need filled, uh the mayor, I believe she looks at all the applications and she pick out the strong ones.
Uh that will be good for here, and then you get appointed, and then your application goes in front of the city council and they vote you in and prove you, and then uh you got to make sure that you pay attention to your email so you can uh know what's going on.
Do you guys have any openings coming up soon that folks should be on the lookout for on your commission?
I believe we have a couple of openings.
We did so folks can go to the website and look that up.
Definitely.
But there's also another layer which um Commissioner Inkins was talking about before, the recreation advisory councils.
So you can actually sign up and be a part of that.
They meet different times each month.
I would say check with the director at the park and see if one is not there, how you can get one started.
But these are multi-layers, and I think it's really important for people to get in where they can fit in.
So some of our community members can show up day of, and some of us can plan a whole year in advance, and we need to find all those spaces for for um connection and to like grow our racks and grow our our residents' connection to our parks.
It's a good place to actually learn like because I came in with a community with a community organizer lens, and I remember telling Corbin this, I was like, okay, wait, I'm learning how to connect policy with the community and put it together so you can learn how to treat each thing a little differently and be a little bit more open mind to how policy's supposed to be ran versus how you can just get up and say I want to plan the event.
That leads me, and I think it's a very good point.
And what it leads me to wonder, Director Nick Director Williams, is why should anyone care?
Who cares?
Why should our those watching our residents in Oakland, why should they care about this commission and how it functions with the department?
Well, the commission is very important, um, like we said earlier on how the department um uh thinks about the future and how we can serve um the equitably serve the the citizens of Oakland.
Parks and recreation is the heart and soul of the city.
It belongs to everybody.
It's the place where everybody can be and can be respected and can enjoy themselves, can can it can heal from the natural elements of being outside, um, can be physically fit and and be on a health plan uh with physical activities and programs that happen throughout the recreation center, but it's the place where everyone is welcome and everyone is should be included, and so we want to make sure as Commissioner Corbin said that the services that we provide um include everyone.
We we want to be fully inclusive.
We we never want anybody to leave the park not feeling like they're a part or not feeling like they're wanted.
This the parks and uh and rec in Oakland is uh again the the heart and soul of the city, and it's what brings the city together.
It's where we can come together and be whoever we are individually, but we can be that collectively.
I like that.
We can come together individually to form a collective, the heart and soul of Oakland.
Thank you all for being here.
You guys have been wonderful in sharing your time with the as as commissioners, and thank you for sharing your time with our audience today.
Thank you.
This has been another episode of Inside City Hall.
We thank you guys for watching and we look forward to you joining us for the next episode.
I'm Autumn King.
Thank you.
Paint me like I am.
Why don't you paint me like I am?
Laughing and dancing and smiling a lot, running with the children with the sun in my face.
Why don't you paint me like I am?
Paint me nappy headed and curly haired and walking with that amazing grace.
Paint me happy and shouting in the temple.
Paint me balancing dream baskets of passion fruit on my head.
Paint me with the elegance I had when I taught the chambermaid how to adorn herself and how to be a woman.
Paint me when I remember that I am the daughter of Limpopo legends of Brooks and Streams and growing green things.
Paint me without the tears and the bowed down expression.
Paint me without the ropes, for I am unchained.
Can't you hear it in my voice?
How some wish they could sing like me.
Paint me precious, paint me starbright, paint me free.
The nineteen fifty-four Brown versus the Board of Education School desegregation case was one of the most pivotal legal decisions in our nation's history.
We're here today to speak with Joyce Carroll Thomas, the editor of the new book, Linda Brown, You're Not Alone, a work that features the writings of prominent authors who live through the historic decision.
Joyce lives in the East Bay and is an internationally acclaimed playwright, author, editor, and poet.
She has received numerous awards and commendations that include the National Book Award, the American Book Award, three Corata Scott King honors, two governors awards, several American Library Association Awards, and an Oklahoma Lifetime Achievement Award.
And when you were when they when they asked you to do this, Joyce, then you selected the audience that you wanted to write this book for.
I already knew the collection to be familiar with the authors they were reading.
Pretty much.
It and so the authors were all uh people who had been writing for that particular grade, I mean, age level.
Exactly.
They they um well known, highly regarded uh children's book authors.
Okay.
Um, how did you choose to arrange the contributions in the order in which you arrange them?
Well, since it's a book um that uh gives the um memories of um black and white um children I wanted the um the collection to be spaced in that way too uh starts with a black author then a white author then a black then a white um and it's um they the w the white and the black authors were the ones who suffered through that period.
And they all lived at the particular period in which this decision was made.
So the young people reading the books now are reading about their favorite authors who were the age as they are at the present when they're reading the book.
And so and that's uh part of the reason that you had some are stories, some are memoirs and some are poems to give the students uh young people reading it a variety of uh genres.
Absolutely and also I didn't um uh I'm very careful when I ask uh other authors uh for work uh because I know how I work um the sense of autonomy that you what comes up for you is what works best.
So I asked them if they had any memories.
It could be as we say, a short story or a poem or an essay uh whatever came up for them when they thought about where they were in nineteen fifty four or around nineteen fifty four.
And so what did you tell them, Joyce it and t you told them just to go back in that time.
I I don't know, don't let me tell you what you told them.
What didn't you tell them?
Well actually it's it's interesting because the the uh there are five uh white authors and five black authors.
Uh the white authors said I don't remember anything about that time.
And so I c we've had lots of telephone conversations and emails and uh so I said, Well where were you when you heard about the decision?
And um one of them, I believe it was um Jean Craig had George, she was in a car writing with somebody and then she remembered that in that in the um she was writing with the I think the housekeeper.
And they had gone over to um see to take one of the the housekeeper's uh children or to go over to the school, black school for some reason and she was appalled at um the the um the walls falling down the state of of uh deterioration and she was she remembered that and I said, Why don't you write about that she did And that's a strong, strong contribution to this book and you could just see her writing and she was so glad to be writing with that teacher to that school and had to be picked to do something special.
And then when she gets to the school she just she can't believe the contrast to her old school.
Yeah it's it's really I think it was eye opening because the um the child the white children were separated from the black children.
So we don't have what we have to date what we uh in many senses enjoy today, which is the ability for um white and black uh young people to congregate to discuss.
And I I also wanted the students to be able to discuss uh some of the things that come up in the in the stories and the poems.
Because for me the most important um question an educator can get to come from young people is the question why.
And and the perspectives, Joyce of the different the black writers and the white writers, you wanted that to be just naturally their perspective of of that particular period in their lives.
And how did you deal with the different perspectives?
Well I accepted them.
I already knew um one thing which is very important that these authors um already practiced the multi level joy of writing for young people and so it wasn't a big push once they had decided what it was they were writing they knew their audience so well that the the student or the or the reader and by reader it was young people but it's also readers also of course the adults, the grandparents, the families, people reading together and talking about the book itself.
So that came out I saw after the book was completed.
Here's an opportunity to discuss this event that happened fifty years ago.
So what do you think Joyce is the then the value of this book for the young readers written like this as opposed to going to the uh documents of the trial itself.
I think it makes it very uh vivid for them.
Uhhuh.
It it makes history live if you will.
Um I mean just the just the cover alone.
Here's uh um Curtis James uh rendition of uh of Linda Brown.
Yes where she's now grandmother Linda Brown.
And um so to think of her as a young girl is I think very uh wonderful and she's still fighting as we all are for for the children.
And um to see her at this age uh just brings us right into the book.
I think that the um Curtis James um art, his art, he's a fine artist.
And this is his first um illustration book for children.
And he was so wonderful.
He asked me what I envisioned because he did a he did a painting for each contribution.
And so I gave him my what I thought and so he said okay.
And then uh he asked me how I wrote and I told him I get up early in the morning and write first thing while my mind is still clear and it's it's quiet.
And I asked him how you worked and he said the first thing he does when he gets up before he paints um be he uh prays.
Is that right?
He prays first.
Uhhuh and then he paints.
I I you know as a matter of fact you mentioned that he did the illustration for each contribution and I get to the point that I was looking to see what it was going to be like for each one.
And the faces as I said to you, you know, a a little while back or a little while back earlier today is the the face of the the student on the cover.
Yes are so familiar.
The faces are so familiar.
You look at the cover and you say, I've seen these kids.
Yes.
And that's his that's the the precious part of his art I do believe.
And of course his coming to the art was through the contributions.
The contributions were first.
Uhhuh and then he read them and and had his prayer and then painted them.
Well I know how careful you are about who does the illustrations for your books 'cause all of your books we've had discussions before in the past about, well Joyce who did this or you know, how did you decide on this illustrator?
So I know it you know, I looked at it I said, Yeah this is I know it's gonna be good illustrations if it's with Joyce's works because they always are, you know, and this was particularly uh beautiful, beautiful work.
The whole book the the contributions to the book, the typography of the book, the touch of the book, I think the children of it, yeah.
People like holding this book.
And that's so important, you know.
A book could have a lot to say, but if it's if it's not presented in a way that your eyes want to rest on and your hands caress it, then the kids aren't going to pick it up.
And and what is so marvelous about Linda Brown is she's five years old at this time.
She's very young.
She's very young.
We think of often the uh black students integrating the colleges, but we don't think of the five year old.
And she's five years old when this happens and she and so I think that part of the attraction will be to students today who think the older people do it all the time is this was a little girl who who was gonna have to go too far to school.
One of the reasons I'm a particularly excited about this is that when that decision was passed it was a nine to zero decision.
It was a unified decision um th of the court of the high court and it was unanimous and it makes me think about what the unified the United means in the United States is unit unified and the decision was unified.
We were united.
And I believe we can read that way again.
I think you talk about that in your introduction.
I do, yes.
About that you wanna what the students, young students w will be reading this will get a sense of what this united means.
Yeah.
And it's kind of united in dignity and united it in being concerned about each other.
And doing what's right.
Uh doing the thing that is um that gives us our humanity.
Uh-huh.
It's very painful to watch um people screaming at little children.
And even though these are some of the you know, the judge who stood in the courtroom and the court uh s stood in the doors of the courthouse and and uh said all those nasty things.
Um later on he changed his mind.
Um but yeah, that's it's important to know that that happened.
But there are joyous for example, um our friend um um Leonard Welch's right story about my dear colored people is just so funny.
Right.
There's this bishop, you know, proclaiming, you know, my dear colored people and and just like putting them down.
Yes.
As they say, you you're lucky to be sitting in here in these pews where the white people sit.
Right.
And she does something else with it in her head.
And it so the book ends on this very triumphant um triumphant uh in this very triumphant place.
And she knew she had the support of her parents.
And all of her parents were sitting there and so she took the title, My Dear Colored People, that was supposed to be a put down and reclaimed it.
To be dear was to be supported by your grandparents, your aunts, your uncles, your great grandma, your all these people, your neighbors that you're uh the people who went to church with you, uh, who said, uh, you know, act right, sit up, do this, do that.
The people who cared, how you carried yourself.
Yeah.
So the young people reading this book will see that we had heroes and heroes of all ages.
Exactly.
And it's not and like as you said, Quincy Troops uh piece makes it clear that this was painful.
Absolutely.
Getting getting jumped on by kids uh who when you w I think he said it was a handful of black kids in this school.
I think he was the only one for a while.
For a while.
Yeah, I think he was the only one.
And the other thing he said that I I found very amusing was that he was smarter than anybody in the school.
Oh yeah, that that's yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah, I like that.
And I also like where uh um I it was I think it was Ismail Reed mentioning that or maybe it was Quincy Troops still that um the benefit of going through all these struggles is you stop mystifying whites.
I mean, you looked over there, you saw what it they may know this, but I know this or they're no smarter than I am, you know.
Yeah, that was that so it is it is a mixed um a mixed bag that uh the suffering happened but also they he would not have known um where he stood in terms of his intellect and his genius.
And that's true I think of everybody in the book that the um even the white writers understand that um a lot of the things that had been told were not true.
Exactly.
And so a lot of the things that they drew up um believing were un unexamined, um uh what could you call them?
An unexamined um certainly unexamined troops, you know.
Uh and unexamined first hand.
Exactly.
So the why is a is an important question.
Why did this happen?
And why do you think it happened and I think that educators who use this book will really benefit from the teacher's guide.
They did this absolutely gorgeous elegant teacher's guide.
Um, which invites the the teacher and the student to discuss each of the each of the uh contributions.
Uhhuh.
And to come up with their own what do they think and maybe and also there's some also some the academic things like other books they can read and a timeline and and all of the things that surround this.
But this gets them into nineteen fifty four.
I wanted to to make sure to ask you after reading stormy weather, I was wondering why how how you came up with what you're going to contribute to the book.
Well, I was very busy talking with the contributors, um, because they'd never done anything like this before and all of the all the contributions are unique, they're original.
I don't like to do re-anthologizing things.
If you if you're going to do something wonderful, make it new.
Yeah.
And so uh so it it required talking my talking back and forth with them.
And um so I didn't I didn't do my stormy weather until everybody else's piece was in.
It's like the mother who takes care of all the kids and then she eats.
Uh huh.
Right.
Exactly, exactly.
Uh but yeah, that was it.
I I waited until everybody's was in, and then I thought, well, what shall I write?
I wondered if it would be an essay or a short story, but what came up for me was this poem, Stormy Weather, which was sparked by something that happened with Mama and me on our way from Tracy, California to Oklahoma.
Stormy weather.
We're traveling from Tracy, California back to 1950s Ponka City, a town etched in young memory, a segregated oasis, where black teachers lessen us in the freedom of piano music, mixing manners and reading and arithmetic and sacred sonnets.
Oh my Oklahoma.
In our studebaker, we sweat through the heat of the Mojave Desert and lurch on into Texas.
Mama is ill.
Her soft biscuit brown arms have turned bony and pale.
Dr.
Sonnenberg has told her she can make the journey as long as she takes her medication with water.
I am in charge of the doctor's instructions.
Sister, hand me my purse, my mother says, I am the older daughter and have the designated title of sister.
I watch to see that Mama takes her tablets on time.
She swallows the pill, rinses it down with water.
Hungry, we stop in Texas.
Y'all can't eat in here, gruff voice takes our money, turns us away from his restaurant.
Y'all go eat over yonder.
He points to an outdoor picnic table littered dirty with bird droppings, swarming with flies.
I cannot eat the sandwich or watermelon.
My stomach jumps rope.
On the Texas-Oklahoma border, we stop for gas and water from mama's medicine.
Sister, hand me my purse.
I pass the purse to Mama.
She opens the bag and takes out her pill.
She asks the attendant, may I have a cup of water?
No, the man says, still counting our money.
Mama's face turns ashen.
I look out the car window for a Sunday school Jesus driving the money chambers from the temple.
I pray for an ever-flowing stream or a cloud burst from a summer storm, flooding a cup's worth of water, enough for mama to swallow her pill.
I am sister, but I cannot help her.
My mind screams at the attendant's face clouded by ignorance, his mannerless, mean spirit of arrogance.
Pray, sister.
Mama can read my angriest thoughts.
A storm kicks up, lightning flashes, a torrent of holy water baptizes our dusty car.
Windshield wipers sing with laughter.
Sister, hand me my purse.
I leap from the car and collect healing water and the cup of watertight fingers.
Mama sips raindrops from my praying hands.
At the station, the attendant gazes in disbelief, struck dumber by this gift from God, as though he never knew the kindness of teachers and librarians, or hugs from a mama with fluffy biscuit brown arms.
I still pray for stormy weather.
Whenever I see you, I think about the long story short some of the things we saw at the art show inspired you to write the poem uh paint me like I am and I now call that you know the anthem.
I've been teaching many, many years, and all my students know that poem, Paint Me Like I Am.
And that's what you're doing with Linda Brown.
That's what you do with all your stories.
You're saying paint me like I am.
To write is to write from another p it's very deep.
It's a deep place.
And you hope that um that you get you're getting it right.
And I'm such a perfectionist.
I have at least ten to twenty drafts of every book I've written.
Uh poetry's another thing.
Sometimes it just comes out whole.
But the books are something else and the plays of course, there are as many drafts of those as there are of the the novels.
And actually what you just said, that's that's the beauty of this book is when teachers are teaching it or when you're coming to visit classes like I hope you will come to visit my class and read from the book, just what you mentioned that a poem comes out one way.
A short story comes out another way.
An essay comes out another way.
So in addition to the stories, the book is also good for uh young readers to see different genres.
I can see teachers using this book also to teach writing in a in a classroom and and the in the different or to teach different literary genres since you cover all of them, I mean many of them in the in the in this anthology.
I I think of you Joyce as bringing your spirit to your work and that almost has a echo.
It is is that spirit that makes people soften up.
Like I always say that when you open your home for many years and and the the when different writers would move to the Bay Area, they would meet other writers in your home and always said when everybody came to Joyce's home, if there were like literary quarrels they were left at the door.
It's always it used to be it was it was such a a a place to to go to your house.
It was um it was at your house that I met Alice Walker.
It was at your house that I met Chester Hines.
It was at your house that so many people came together and enjoyed it was i it's there's this what I'm trying to say is that same spirit that that pulls people together harmoniously with all the difficulties in this world is the same kind of talent that you have with these stories when you have these different perspectives, white and black.
That maybe people individually might be challenging different perspectives but somehow to come together as a unified whole in this book.
I think so.
I think that's great and it lets us know our possibilities.
Yes.
I mean there is no limit to what we can do once we put our hearts and minds into uh living.
And and Joyce, what do you so you is as this book is um um going into the schools this year I I would imagine that since two thousand and four it's gonna be the big celebration of the Brown versus the Board of Education that this book is going to be a hot book and it's already getting a lot of attention.
It is.
I'm just really thrilled at um some of the absolutely amazing reviews and the um and what what you want for a reviewer to do is to get it, you know, to understand what's happening.
And uh and they do.
It just I was just very, very uh gratified as are the publishers of course that um that they knew they talk about the nuances of the co of the pieces that are in there.
Yes.
Well I certainly have enjoyed reading this book and I'm so glad that I was able to um be involved with with talking to you about this particular book.
Um where do you where would you like to see um your next work coming after this?
My next work is uh I think the well I have I have a lot going on at my time.
That's how I should have thought it's usual.
Uh but the Gospel Cinderella um is a a children's book and um I've uh I've seen the galleys and they are really wonderful.
And of course that comes out of my gospel background, the sanctified church background.
And then an another thing about the sanctified church is Zora Neil Hurston's books for children that I'm adapting.
Well I mean talking to you is we could just go on forever as we've often done in your living room.
And um, but uh I wanna say that um we are delighted that you took the time to be here with us and thank you for lively and informative discussion.
We'll all look for Linda Brown, you are not alone, as well as other works you've shared with us.
Thanks again for being here with us.
Thank you.
It's just great.
So dear readers of Linda Brown, you're not alone.
We come to reflect, to rejoice, and to consider how much further we have to go.
Today, the Brown victory is still leading all of America's children, including all of you, listeners and readers, into the 21st century and beyond.
We thank Linda Brown, we thank the brave children of our past.
We are mindful that some of those brave children who are now adults still bear the scars of that battle.
Although you may not have a blue back webster's, your book can be just as exciting.
Your thirst is the same as that of a child who wanted her father to read to her under the mulberry bush.
Can you hear her singing syllables into words?
Because she wanted to read books for herself.
As we commemorate the 50-year milestone of the ground decision, we, your authors, illustrators, librarians, teachers, and parents, applaud your belief in education for all.
Let us continue to work together toward a truer democracy.
But for years I've been looking at the historic pictures on the second floor at the library, and with my skills as a photographer and as a publisher, I thought an ideal thing to do is to take the old photographs and reshoot new photographs that would correspond to the old images, and I figured nobody else would really do it, because it would be a big project to encounter.
And so I just pursued, and and the more I started doing it, the more I realized that you can take an old photograph and you look at that old photograph, if it's a corner uh from a hundred and twenty years ago, and that means something, and then if you would re-go back and shoot that same corner today, that might not mean too much.
It would just be a photograph of a corner.
But what really would mean something, and would give it a new image, would give it a new perspective is to take those two images and put them side by side by putting them side by side, what that ends up doing is um creating something brand new.
It's creating the imagination, it's bringing two images together, so one plus another one equals something totally different.
The process of the book was an extremely difficult challenge.
So the original draft was one photograph on each page.
I thought that's sufficient.
I'll be able to do this in a short period of time, get it print it inexpensively, and you know, have a have an okay book.
That was the the origin, the the original concept.
As I started to talk to people and I met people who were influential, it took on a new life.
Getting letters of introduction from Mayor Brown gave me the opportunity to have total access to the all the images at the the public library history room.
And that changed the whole way I did the book because at that point I was able to sit down and look at every photograph they had.
By looking at every photograph, I did look at thousands of photographs and I realized that this was not a book that I could take lightly.
As I start to flip through the first gachet of book and some of the early pictures that he showed me, I immediately began to realize how much that I didn't know about a place that I was raised in.
He'll have the O photograph.
Um we'll sit down and discuss the O photograph.
First he'll ask me a question like do you know what this is?
And I must say about seven out of ten times I've been wrong on everything.
He would look at the photograph we spend time examining to determine what time of day the photograph was taken.
Um based on that, then we would determine what time of day we have to take it now and based on Bill going out himself or me going out and determining the position of the sun in relationship to the architecture in the buildings today, um how the sun is shining are reflecting on certain buildings.
The photograph of or it's an illustration of downtown Oakland from sort of a bird's eye view looking up Broadway where that was the heart of Oakland at that time.
It was a very small town and today the image is it's an aerial image from to show that shows the freeway that shows the downtown from close to the same location.
But it's close to the same location.
The um the image of of twelfth and Broadway looking north on looking north up Broadway.
Uh again this was a a really incredible image and there were two images from this exactly same location.
So it must have been the same photographer in the eighteen sixties because there's an image that's not in the book from 1868 that showed Oakland um just a couple buildings on the right hand side of the street.
And the image I chose to use was 1873 and this was four years after the railroads came to Oakland.
The Transcontinental Railroad arrived in Oakland and so the image there we have more tall buildings.
They go further up the street and it's still a dirt street but the the you see the workers down in the um left hand corner.
They're digging pipelines for a gas pipeline to light the streets to have gas lighting in the buildings and then of course we have beside that we have um Oakland 2002 up Broadway.
The transportation in these photographs really shows you go from uh uh the 1873 photograph with horse and buggy bicycles people walking um then we have street cars in nineteen eleven we have automobiles in nineteen eleven people of course still walking and then today a lot of you know the shapes of the cars are different.
What that that always fascinates me when it when it comes to looking at something that we're familiar with.
They advertise that you can get from Berkeley from University Berkeley to embarcadero in San Francisco in thirty minutes.
And that's basically the time you can make it today if you're lucky.
And that's they were just uh they made things differently and then they still worked.
They had an electric train going almost to Yerba Buena Island.
Which today when when you see it nobody knows about it.
It's it's just the information that's lost.
We tend to think about the past uh as primitive.
You know, as these people didn't you know it probably took a whole day to get to San Francisco.
No it didn't.
It took one train and one transfer and you weren't there just like here today.
It it's not a not much different than it was.
This photograph was one of my favorites out of all of them and it was the only image I found that was a man on a horse.
And we're talking about eighteen sixty in California which is a main way of transportation besides a buggy um it was a horse or um a wagon train or a train, a local train.
But this was dirt streets in Oakland in 1860 at Sixth and Broadway, a man sitting in the middle of the road on a horse that that road brought a big smile on my face because I knew exactly when I saw that what I was going to do because I knew that today there was a freeway going overhead.
The modern day picture there's this uh rather garish in the way uh bridge it's it's uh is the uh the uh uh eight eighty bridge which crosses Broadway right about where that where that guy is sitting and so it really shows the change and I guess the c kind of changes we're f we were forced into if we want to have a transportation system and um horses on one side and then uh the freeway on the other is one way to look at this photo because there's two transportation systems but then in order to have the the quick and the ease of getting around we are forced into building these uh bridges.
For me that is a very dramatic um change in imagery when we're looking at the same location.
And this is what started to really spark my enthusiasm for the project.
Big surprise is the panoramic of downtown Oakland.
It it's a seven panel and it starts from Washington and thirteenth and just moves all the way up so that it it moves all the way around to um uh Grove Street at that time so it'd be Martin Luther King Jr.
way today and Oakland was an all wooden city and the buildings were two stories high and with that image in the book it's one of the first images in the book uh for me to shoot from the fourth floor what's called the flag landing of City Hall today and of course the landscape has changed dramatically with the structures of the buildings the height of the buildings and no there is not a structure left in downtown that's in that photograph there are no more those those buildings are not there anymore.
So that that was a document in two thous or in eighteen seventy nine that document of the wooden Oakland.
Um that's not the same anymore.
Brooklyn Presbyterian church one of the older churches in Oakland one of the older buildings and as as we can see again that the building is exactly the same.
We photographed that from exactly the same angle and it was some of the unchanging things of Oakland from a from a long time ago to today where a lot of it has changed dramatically some of Oakland has not changed at all over a hundred year period of time.
It stayed relatively the same and we can see the uh first Baptist church built in nineteen I think it was nineteen oh eight that it opened and this picture was probably from nineteen fifteen or nineteen twenty and it has a a neon sign on the side of the building, and today that neon sign isn't there, but the the image is the same.
The the building is the same.
So that the sometimes the more it changes the more it stays the same.
The Piedmont baths in the early nineteen hundreds at at that point, uh people would go out and take their bath.
They didn't have a shower.
So they would go once a week, twice a week, whatever, probably once a meet or once a week and take a bath.
The Piedmont Springs when I seen a picture of the building, I just I knew that that wasn't an open.
Um to get yourself clean.
Rados, uh, international grocery, which was on sixth in Washington uh in eighteen ninety-eight, I believe.
And uh we have G B and um I don't know who was next to him standing in front of their store.
And then today we have the fourth generation, great granddaughter, Elena.
Uh she's standing out in front in the in the uh middle, and she's standing away from the the her three of her workers, and again, she has carried on the tradition and keeps her international grocery, her great great grandfather's international groceries still in business, and that I found fascinating, and and uh for something that old to still be in business, that was a must to be in the book.
Um this other image of Jack London in a bar on uh twelfth east twelfth uh street at thirteenth Avenue.
Uh he frequented this bar, and the owner was behind the bar at that time, and that building is still there.
Um, yeah.
Two incredible images of Fairyland, which is the shoe, the old lady who lives in the shoe.
I have the original skeleton of uh the shoe before it was covered.
And then I reshot today of of course the the shoe uncovered.
And with my research with the person at Fairyland.
She said no one has ever seen this photograph.
So I sat down for fifteen minutes with her and went through photographs and chose that one and then chose another image of um a group of puppeteers, yeah, from thirty seven years ago, and the one of the puppeteers in that pictures thirty seven years ago is still doing it today.
So there of course we see him thirty seven years ago and then him today as uh uh you know, someone who loves what he's doing and still makes puppets and still um creates the show on a consistent basis, which I thought was was pretty amazing that he still would be doing this.
I have I have learned more about Oakland than I ever thought I wanted to know, and I think it will enrich people's lives, particularly children.
I th I think the the um the children that will have this book and have access to this book through the Oakland Unified School District uh will know about Oakland and it could inspire them to, you know, be a part of the city when they grow up, you know.
A a six-year-old who might read this book in two years might think, Well, I want to be the mayor of Oakland, and in thirty-five years that person may be the mayor of Oakland.
While we're in Oakland, Oakland is the same place um that it was in eighteen sixty.
Th the children will are able to look at um the modern day pictures and relate them to the to the old pictures and see and see the way things have changed and talk to the children and remind them of th there were times when um you had to get permission to turn the light on in the house because there was uh gas in the house and to tell the children there were so there are so many things that we take for granted that we just don't have.
How many times can you show the kids the pictures now, for example, and it's downtown Oakland and there's there are nothing on on the street but cars.
I do think there's something particularly for young people in this project, and that is the sense of immediate history that surrounds you on a daily basis.
That's how people get inspired.
They get inspired as uh when they're young to unconsciously make a decision on what they want to be when they grow up.
And it does inspire you to go out for yourself and to see what's actually around you and you know, the history that the place holds that you now live in, and um, there's so many things here in Oakland that you never would have thought existed and started here, buildings that were here and people and everything.
And when you go see the immediate changes that's taking place through earthquake or natural disasters or just a natural period of time and people rebuilding stuff is amazing.
I really think that not just the kids in school, but the the kids that are in the adults are all uh everyone will stop in the library and want to look and see what we're doing, and and there's not a kid in the room.
They're uh uh uh the the people in the room are all adults, but they're all very interested in stopping and seeing here's sixth and Broadway now and here's sixth and Broadway then.
And we have the book or the pictures on the table and everybody's gathering around to look.
You get a bit or two bit of information.
Uh you didn't feel like you were preached to or talked to or experienced uh learning history, but still, you walk away and you're a little bit smarter about the place you live than than you were before.
This is something that will give everybody a new perspective on Oakland.
Okay.
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Good evening and welcome to the Public Safety Committee meeting of Tuesday, June June 9th, 2026.
The time is now six oh two PM and this meeting may come to order.
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and speaker cards will no longer be accepted 10 minutes after, making that time six twelve p.m.
Uh sorry.
We'll now proceed with taking roll.
Council members brown.
Present.
Five.
Present.
Houston.
Present.
And Chair Wong.
Present.
Thank you.
We have four members present.
Chair, before we begin, do you have any announcements at this time?
Yeah.
Yeah, just one announcement.
Uh, due to the number of people that we have in the room, and we want to make sure that we can get through all of the public comment in a timely manner.
We are going to limit public comment to just one minute.
Okay.
Thanks everyone.
We are limiting the public comment to one minute.
Thank you.
Starting off with item number one, approval of the draft minutes from the committee meeting of May 26, 2026.
We have no speakers on this item, just need a motion.
Move approval of the meeting minutes.
Second.
Thank you.
We have a motion made by Councilmember Brown, seconded by Councilmember Five to accept the draft minutes from the committee meeting of May 26, 2026.
On roll council members Brown.
Aye.
Five.
Aye.
Houston?
Aye.
And Chair Wong.
Aye.
Thank you.
Item number one passes with four ayes to accept the draft minutes as is.
Reading in item two, determination of schedule about standing committee items, and we have one speaker that signed up to speak.
Okay.
Great.
Anything from the administration before we go to public comment.
I do thank you, Chair.
Through the chair, item number two on our pending list, no date specific.
We want to go ahead and remove that because it is a duplicate item.
Great.
Okay.
Calling in the name that signed up to speak on item number two, Blair Beekman.
Okay.
He is not on Zoom.
Chair that concludes all speakers for this item.
We just need a motion.
Councilmember Brown.
You want to move it?
Councilmember Five.
Second.
Thank you.
We have a motion made by Councilmember Houston.
Seconded by Councilmember Five to accept the determination of schedule outstanding committee items as amended, noting the withdrawal of item number two under the no date specific.
On roll council members Brown.
Aye.
Five.
Aye.
Houston.
Aye.
And Chair Wong.
Aye.
Thank you.
Item two passes with four ayes to accept the pending list as amended.
Now reading in item number three.
Adopt a resolution awarding grants to 21 community-based organizations for community violence intervention services set forth in tables one and two for the period of October 1st, 2026 to September 30, 2029, in a total amount not to exceed $38 million $38,100,000, and authorizing the city administrator to negotiate and enter into grant agreements with the named grantees with authority to extend the terms of the grant and modify the grant amounts as set forth herein.
And we do have over 60 speakers on this item, just noting that as this item has been read into record, it is now too late to sign up.
Okay, thank you so much, Madam Clerk.
Dr.
Joshi, this is the major item of the night.
Um the floor is yours.
Thank you.
And thank you for everyone who's come.
The Department of Arms Prevention is here to present our recommendations for community grants for the period of 26 through 2029.
I understand the advocacy in the building this evening.
I've been in the agency director's shoes.
Working to keep the doors open and services flowing in an Oakland-based nonprofit is not an easy job.
I've read each advocacy email in each letter sent.
My lack of response does not signal lack of awareness, understanding, or lack of compassion.
Instead, it represents my commitment to my duty to follow the city contracting process, which includes not interacting with CBO applicants about the RFP process during an active and open RFP process.
So before I get into the slides, I think it really is important for me to put tonight's presentation and associated conversation within the context of the funding landscape that we were all facing as community violence intervention practitioners.
The field of CBI, despite a growing body of research that speaks to the efficacy of this work, is underfunded.
We know what is happening at the federal level with the closure of the White House Office of Gun Violence Prevention and large cuts to CVI grants across the country that have impacted us here in Oakland.
CBI is underfunded by the state, and in Oakland, our total investment in CBI is approximately 22 million dollars to include 5 million from the general purpose fund and the measure NN dollars that we are here to discuss tonight.
So considering these realities, the resources we have available to us to allocate to CBOs through this process are clearly not enough and do not adequately address need, and very challenging decisions have to be made.
I'll take the slides, please.
So we are recommending awards to 21 community-based organizations for community violence intervention services from October 1, 2026 to September 30th, 2029.
The total annual amount is approximately 12.7 million, and the total amount for the three-year period is 38.1 million dollars.
And please keep in mind that we are updated by finance each year as to what the actual revenue amount will be.
And so we're usually being presented with estimations until the Measure N revenues are come into the city and are solidified by the finance department.
So just as a reminder for everyone in the room, Measure N passed in November 2024 and replaced Measure Z.
That is really an important point because some folks who weren't here during the Measure Z and Measure Yes believe that this is new money.
It really is replacement funding.
This is a sustainability fund for the city at this point.
It does not represent deeper investments in CBI or in our CBOs.
It allocates approximately 40% of the annual tax revenue to violence prevention services.
75% of that 40% that comes into the Department of Violence Prevention must be allocated to community-based organizations in the form of grants.
Just one additional note about the money flowing out of the city to community-based organizations.
Although we are grateful for the voters passing Measure NN, the CBOs did experience a reduction in overall funding because when the city was in a stronger financial position, we would supplement Measure Z funding with general purpose funds.
And of course, the city council also invested one time reimagining public safety dollars into CBOs in 2020.
So again, Measure NN is 16 million plus estimated for violence prevention services.
12.7 will be allocated to the CBOs, 4.2 million is kept internal by the DBP for our staff that administers the grants and for some of our direct service providers currently working on the lifeline, the ceasefire lifeline strategy.
The measure requires that the department that all departments receiving funds develop a three-year spending plan, and that is exactly what we did.
We presented that spending plan to the Measure NN Commission as required by the statute in June 2025.
That spending plan that informed the RFP process focuses on evidence-based community violence intervention services.
The spending plan built off the values and service priorities that we identified in the 2022 through 2024 spending plan, and that spending plan was based on an extensive community engagement process.
It involved town halls, focus groups, and interviews with a wide range of stakeholders.
We updated those findings based on surveys with staff at CBOs and the DVP, interviews with the leadership of those CBOs, surveys of participants, best practices in the growing fields of community violence intervention work, and of course, findings from the urban institute's evaluation of Measure Z services.
The final plan incorporates what we already knew to be true about CBI work and new insights and lessons learned, and it outlines the evidence supporting each service.
The plan focuses most specifically on individuals who are at the highest risk of gun violence or gender-based violence in Oakland.
The core tenet of community violence intervention work is focusing prevention and intervention work on individuals at the highest risk of violence.
It is not upstream services for individuals who may be at risk in the future within the city of Oakland.
Many upstream services are covered through funding sources, including OFCY, EWDD, employment development.
This is our gun violence criteria.
It must be documented in our system.
This is how we will ensure that our agencies are working with the highest risk.
I know that question has been asked of the Department of Alms Prevention by numerous council members who are concerned and committed to making sure that tier one or Oakland's highest risk individuals are served through these proposals.
With that being said, I'm going to turn it over to the deputy chief, Jenny Lynchie, who will go over this request for proposals process, which I know folks have questions about.
Thank you.
Thank you.
Good evening, Council.
Jenny Lynchy, Deputy Chief with the Department of Violence Prevention.
We undertook a structured competitive request for proposals or RFP process to award this funding to agencies.
One important thing to note is that the RFP process has two components to it.
The first component is that applications that are submitted go to our city's citywide contracts team.
They review the applications for all required application elements, and then agencies that meet those criteria, that's screening, are then forwarded to the department for reading and scoring.
And that's the case with all departments, as with the Department of Violence Prevention.
So we first undertook an RFP process that started in December of last year and closed in February.
Unfortunately, when the DVP received the applications that were approved by the citywide contracts team to do our review and scoring, we 14 of the 41 that were submitted were deemed ineligible based on technicalities with the application process.
So that's a 34% failure rate.
We felt that that was unacceptable.
We consulted with the citywide contracts team and the city administrators' office, and we're told that we only had two options.
One was to accept that failure rate and continue with the agencies that were deemed eligible, or to cancel the RFP entirely and to reissue it.
And so we elected to cancel the RFP and reissue a new RFP in order to establish a fairer process that allowed more agencies to pass that initial screening, which again was simply technicalities around submission.
So the second RFP, which is what these funding recommendations are based on, was released on March 13th.
It closed on April 1st.
In that process, we received 40 responsive applications from the citywide contracts team for review and scoring.
That was out of 44 entities that attempted to submit applications.
So that was a 9% failure rate.
So we reduced it from 34% to 9%.
We then undertook a very structured review and scoring process that involved three reviewers reading and scoring every application.
The citywide contracts team requires that three individuals review and score all applications, but they do not require that any external reviewers are included in that process.
They can all be citywide or city staff.
But we elected to have teams composed of two internal DVP staff members and one external reviewer with expertise in the service category.
As an overview of our funding recommendations, we're looking to award funding for a three-year period from October 1st, 2026 through September 30th, 2029.
The total funding awarded is 38.1 million, which is 12.7 million dollars per year.
We are looking to allocate 22,875,000 to gun violence services and then 15,225,000 to gender-based violence services.
And we are looking to fund a total of 28 or sorry, 21 total community-based organizations, and that is the same number that we currently fund.
So we're continuing the number of agencies.
Okay, so we are keeping our investment in gun violence services relatively constant.
We are increasing from 7.5 million to 7.625 million.
That's essentially cost of living increases for staff.
The way that we conceptualize our gun violence services is into core services, violence interruption, hospital-based intervention, life coaching, and youth diversion.
Those are the services by which we identify and engage individuals who are at highest risk of gun violence in Oakland.
Then we have support services, emergency relocation, housing, employment, healing, and family and victims services that are primarily available to individuals who are engaged through this core services based on need.
We have entire departments that are focused on employment and housing.
But it's really essential that the Department of Violence Prevention fund specific versions of these services that are tailored to the unique needs and safety concerns of individuals at highest risk of gun violence.
So some examples of the unique needs and considerations of this population are that individuals at highest risk of gun violence cannot travel freely throughout the city.
Even within specific regions of Oakland, it's not safe to travel several blocks from where one may stay.
And so services need to be mobile.
They have to be brought to individuals where they are.
Another example is that group services are very unique for our population.
Individuals cannot be in groups with other individuals who they are in conflict with.
So if an agency is delivering group services, we have there has to be a deconfliction process where you understand the allegiances of the individuals and take precautions to make sure that again individuals in conflict do not come into contact.
A third and last example is specifically related to employment.
It's often safer for individuals to seek employment opportunities outside of Oakland because again of the concerns moving safely throughout Oakland.
So across our core services, we are proposing to fund 24 full-time direct staff members who will serve at least 288 individuals, and the annual funding for that is 4.55 million.
We envision this to actually be closer to 200 unique individuals because we expect individuals who are served through the hospital-based intervention strategy to then be referred to life coaching or in some cases youth diversion.
So if we take that 200 number of unique individuals and we add that to the DVP's capacity to serve approximately 150 unique individuals through life coaching, we get 350 unique individuals served through these core gun violence services.
And you may remember that the California Partnerships for Safe Communities that conducted an audit of the ceasefire lifeline strategy back in 2023, found that at any given time in Oakland there are approximately 350 individuals who are at highest risk of drawing or driving gun violence.
For our support services, we are looking to fund 16 full-time staff who will serve approximately 400 people at a cost of 3,075,000 per year.
These 400 individuals are some of them will be duplicate individuals, but we should still have capacity to serve the 350 who are being identified and served through the core strategies, as well as some additional individuals who will be who can be referred through other pathways.
So what we're doing is we're trying to create an ecosystem of support services for a cohort, a small group of individuals, again, approximately 350 who are at highest risk for drawing or driving gun violence in Oakland.
I should also note that the emergency housing relocation services will be augmented by a $500,000 grant from a philanthropic partner that the mayor's office was able to secure through a partnership between the DVP and the city's Department of Housing and Community Development.
So that work will be enhanced by with the hiring of a full-time housing navigator and additional funds for relocation.
One thing to note here is that there was a typo in the resolution for this item, which says that $275,000 is being awarded for housing services to Bay Area Community Resources.
We the the overall funding amount in the resolution is correct, but it's just that one line item.
There's a typo, and the city attorney's office has confirmed that we can amend that and submit an updated resolution to full council.
Moving on to our gender-based violence services.
So similarly, we conceptualize these services as being divided into core services that result in the initial identification and engagement of individuals at high risk, highest risk of gender-based violence, and then support services that are available primarily to those individuals based on need.
We are very happy to be able to invest more in gender-based violence services during this upcoming grant cycle.
We're increasing the investment by 1.66 million, going from a current 3.4 million to 5.1 million overall.
So across our core services of crisis navigation hotlines and life coaching, we are looking to fund 15 full-time direct service staff members who will serve 371 individuals at $2,675,000 per year.
This we are thinking of as really being closer to 275 to 300 unique individuals because the hope is that crisis navigators refer to life coaching.
So again, the unique population is closer to 275 to 300.
We are significantly increasing our investment in crisis navigation services.
We're going from approximately 4.5 full-time crisis advocates to seven.
This is in response to a few things.
One feedback from community organizations that it's incredibly hard to staff full-time crisis response services and additional resources are needed in order to adequately do that.
We also have heard that OPD is looking to increase their human trafficking operations, and so we want to ensure that we have enough capacity to respond to that while also maintaining capacity for domestic violence response.
And then one last thing to note is that crisis navigation services will also include street outreach.
And then for life coaching, we are significantly increasing our investment in life coaching.
We currently fund two youth life coaches.
We're going to a total of eight youth life coaches or eight life coaches, four focused on youth and four focused on transitional aged youth.
And this is resulting from the fact that the two current life coaches are always at capacity.
There's there is just clear and abundant need for additional capacity in that service category, as well as findings from the Measure Z evaluation that was conducted by researchers from the Urban Institute.
This was one of the number one findings as it relates to gender-based violence services was that we need more capacity for life coaches and individuals who can serve as the quarterbacks, the individuals who are navigating people through services and who are holding them through the process to make sure that they don't slip through the cracks.
And that just one last point on the life coaching.
That makes sense to us from a gun violence standpoint because that's what we use as well for gun violence services.
Our life coaches serve that quarterback role and are very effective in helping people access different services and move through barriers and challenges they face.
For our support services, healing, housing, and legal services, we are looking to fund seven and a half full-time direct service staff members who will serve approximately 420 people annually at 2.4 million per year.
Again, if we're looking at serving 275 to 300 unique individuals through the core services, we should have capacity to serve those individuals through the support services plus additional individuals who are identified through other referral pathways.
We are increasing our investment in housing services by 275,000 here.
Housing is seems to just be the number one support service need for this population, no surprise given that in the Bay Area, but also again unique to this, the population of survivors of sex trafficking and domestic violence.
And so what we are looking to do is fund a variety of different housing options that can respond to the unique needs and preferences of any individual.
So we have emergency hotel stays, we have relocation assistance if individuals are looking to get out of Oakland, we have rental assistance if individuals are looking to stay in their homes but simply need support paying rent.
We have shelter for youth, for transitional-aged youth, and for adults, and we have transitional housing for youth and for adults.
And so we again we're really looking to meet people where they are in terms of what they need.
We are strongly prioritizing performance management in this in the upcoming grant cycle.
So we will be establishing service deliverables and service benchmarks in partnership with the community-based organizations that we get into contract with.
This has always happened since Oakland Unite, but what is newer is that we are aligning service deliverables and benchmarks with evidence-based models.
So things like number of contacts per week, number of in-person contacts.
Those expectations are being raised and are being aligned with evidence based models and with practices implemented by the DVP's own direct service team.
The service deliverables are reviewed by the planners and program officers within the DVP who manage the grant awards on a monthly basis so that they can see how agencies are progressing in terms of meeting their deliverables before a quarter ends and it's
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Oakland City Council Meeting - June 16, 2026
The Oakland City Council met on Tuesday, June 16, 2026, at 3:32 PM. The meeting included a public hearing and vote on a charter reform measure placing a strong mayor proposal on the November 2026 ballot, approval of violence prevention grants totaling $38.1 million, and an informational report on reorganizing parking functions. The council also handled modifications to the agenda, consent calendar items, and public comments.
Consent Calendar
- Approved the consent calendar with a vote of 7 ayes (Councilmember Fife excused).
- Items pulled for individual votes or discussion:
- 6.10 (Becker Boards Agreement): Councilmembers Fife, Unger, and Jenkins registered no votes; Councilmember Houston also registered a no vote.
- 6.25 (Bike Share Franchise Amendment): Councilmembers Wong and Houston registered no votes after Councilmember Wong pulled the item from consent citing inequitable station distribution.
- Other consent items included minute approvals, fee schedule updates, emergency declarations, settlement resolutions, and various routine authorizations.
Public Comments & Testimony
- Item 5.2 (Charter Reform): Approximately 20 speakers addressed the strong mayor measure. Supporters (including Keith Brown of Alameda Labor Council, Danielle Motley Lewis of BOWAPA, Gail Wallace of League of Women Voters, Corey Cook from the working group, and Sean Illsburn of Spur) argued the proposal creates clear lines of accountability, resulted from extensive community engagement, and should be placed on the ballot for voters to decide. Opponents (including Mindy Pechnook, Meg McAdam, Ben Gould, Steve Cohn, and Gerald Petchenuk) expressed concerns about concentrating power, lack of a competing measure, and the process being driven by the mayor rather than an independent commission. Several speakers (e.g., Karun Saluk, vice chair of the Public Ethics Commission) requested technical amendments regarding salary-setting timing and enforcement resources.
- Item 5.3 (Violence Prevention Grants): Over 50 speakers testified. Many current grantees and community members urged the council to approve the grants without disruption, emphasizing the effectiveness of ongoing services. Several speakers from East Oakland organizations (e.g., Caesar Johnson, John T. Gamble, Fiani Johnson) argued that the RFP process excluded proven CBOs and that funding cuts would harm violence prevention. Speakers like Brenda Grisham and Pastor Lankford highlighted the need to maintain boots-on-the-ground services. Supporters of the DVP’s recommendations (including Jennifer Lyle of Missy, Andrea Diaz of Missy, and Gabriel Garcia of Youth Alive) asked the council to trust the competitive process and fund the recommended organizations. The African immigrant community (represented by Kiwi, Desmond Jeffries, Dr. Jeffrey Anyene, and others) requested $450,000 annually for culturally responsive services, noting they were not included in the recommendations.
- Consent Calendar (Item 6.10 Becker Boards): Multiple small business owners, chamber representatives, and nonprofit leaders testified in support of the Becker Boards agreement, citing over $3 million in free advertising provided to local businesses and organizations. Attorney Chris Powell argued the amendment cuts guaranteed payments and violates CEQA, urging the item be pulled from consent.
- Open Forum: Two speakers addressed the African immigrant community’s exclusion from violence prevention funding and criticized the city’s parking fee increases.
Discussion Items
- Item 5.2: Charter Reform (Strong Mayor Measure)
- Mayor Barbara Lee presented the measure, emphasizing it would create clear executive accountability and allow voters to decide. She argued it does not eliminate checks and balances but adds new council powers (e.g., subpoena, budget amendment, confirmations for key directors).
- Councilmember Wong introduced an amendment to allow council to vet department heads via an informational process; this was accepted by the mayor.
- Councilmember Houston proposed amendments requiring council confirmation of city administrator removal and mandating mayoral attendance at meetings for vetoes. The city attorney ruled the removal amendment out of scope; the attendance requirement was within scope and supported.
- Councilmembers Unger and Gaio expressed support for a council-manager system, but noted no competing measure was ready. Councilmember Fife supported putting the measure on the ballot despite reservations about the veto. Councilmember Wong supported with her amendment. Councilmember Brown supported the mayor’s amendments. Councilmember Houston opposed unless his amendments were included.
- The initial vote was a 4-4 tie; Mayor Lee broke the tie in favor, and the motion passed. (Councilmembers Gaio, Houston, Unger, Ramachandran voted no; Brown, Fife, Wong, Jenkins voted yes; Mayor Lee voted yes.)
- Item 5.3: Violence Prevention Grants ($38.1 million)
- Dr. Holly Joshi (Director of Violence Prevention) and Deputy Chief Jenny Linchy presented the competitive RFP process and funding recommendations. They noted the failure rate improved from 34% to 9% after reissuing the RFP. The department recommended a three-year grant cycle.
- Councilmembers raised concerns about organizations left out, especially in East Oakland. Councilmember Wong moved to approve the resolution with an amendment from the Public Safety Committee to shorten grants to two years and include a six-month report back on impacts. Councilmember Brown seconded.
- Councilmember Houston opposed the motion, arguing additional funding should be found for organizations that did not make the cut. Councilmember Gaio questioned the evaluators’ understanding of Oakland.
- Dr. Joshi responded that the process was competitive and that funded organizations are run by Black and Latino leaders serving high-risk populations. She noted YEP and other organizations were not ranked highest in the scoring.
- The motion passed 7-1 (Houston no).
- Item 5.1: Parking Division Reorganization
- Informational report from Director of Finance Brad Johnson outlining transfer of parking administration (permits, garages, citations) from DOT to Finance. DOT will retain enforcement and infrastructure.
- Public speakers Michael Ford and others criticized the reorganization for lacking transparency and investing $1.2 million in middle management rather than frontline staff.
- Council received and filed the report on a motion by Councilmember Brown, seconded by Unger, passed 7-0 (Houston excused).
- Item 4.1: ADU Regulations Update
- Planning staff presented minor amendments to comply with state law. Public comment from Maven Griffin concerned fire safety bus route claims. The council approved the staff recommendation (8-0).
Key Outcomes
- Charter Reform (Item 5.2): Resolution placing a strong mayor charter amendment on the November 3, 2026 ballot passed on a 5-4 vote (Mayor Lee breaking a tie). The measure includes amendments from Councilmember Wong (informational vetting for department heads) and Mayor’s office amendments (Section 218 revisions, salary setting via Public Ethics Commission).
- Violence Prevention Grants (Item 5.3): Approved with a two-year contract term (instead of three) and a six-month report back, by a 7-1 vote. Total funding: $38.1 million over three years (12.7M per year) to 21 CBOs, with $22.875M for gun violence and $15.225M for gender-based violence services.
- ADU Ordinance (Item 4.1): Adopted 8-0.
- Parking Reorganization (Item 5.1): Received and filed.
- Consent Calendar: Approved with no votes recorded on items 6.10 and 6.25.
- Items 6.1 and 6.2 (GAD budgets): Continued to July 7, 2026 meeting.
Meeting Transcript
Good afternoon and welcome to the council meeting of Tuesday, June 16th. Before I call roll, I will have our interpreter give instructions in Spanish to participate in this meeting. So the translator giving instructions, please go ahead. Everyone needs to choose a channel if you're watching online, and it has to be either English or Spanish. If you could make me interpreter now, thank you. Thank you. I now go over speaker card instructions. If you'd like to speak on any agenda item, you must fill out a speaker's card. You must fill it out a speaker's card before the item is called, or two hours after the start of this meeting. This meeting was called to order at 342. Excuse me, 332. So your last opportunity to turn in a speaker's card will be at 5 32 p.m. If you're looking to turn in an online speaker, that time has, excuse me, online speaker card. That time has expired as they were due 24 hours before the start of that meeting. So again, if you're looking to speak on any item, please submit your speaker's card as soon as possible before the item is called, or two hours from the start of this meeting. As this meeting was called to order at 342 p.m. On roll, Council Member Gaio. Council Member Five. Council Member Houston. Here. Council Member Ramachandran. Present. Council Member Unger. Here. Council Member Wong present. And Chair Jenkins. Present. Showing eight members present. Do you have any announcements? Yes, Councilmember Raman Chandran, how are you participating today? And is your camera on? And do you have anyone in the room over the age of 18? Uh nope, no one in the room at all. Participating under AB 2449. Thank you so much. Also, because of potential quorum issues, speaker time will be cut to one minute. Thank you. Thank you. Going to item three, modifications to the agenda and procedural items. Are there any modifications to this agenda? Yes. And 5.2 will go before 5.1. Strong mayor item 5.2 will go before 5.1. So I'll entertain a motion to continue 6.1 and 6.2, the GAD items. Second. And the public still will have an opportunity to speak on those items if you did sign up for speaker card on the GAD items. On the motion to continue item 6.1 and 6.2 to your next meeting, which I believe is July 7th. And I believe that was a motion by Councilmember Brown and Councilmember Gayo. Councilmember Brown. Aye.