Good evening and welcome to the public safety committee meeting of Tuesday, July 14, 2026.

The time is now six.

Oh, two PM, and this meeting may come to order.

Before taking roll, I will provide instructions on how to submit speaker cards for items on this agenda.

If you're here with us in chamber and would like to submit a speaker card, please fill one out and turn one into myself or a clerk representative, no later than ten minutes after the start of this meeting or before the item is read into record, whichever occurs first.

Online speaker requests were due twenty-four hours prior to the start of this meeting.

We'll now proceed with taking roll.

Council members Brown.

Chair, at this time, do you have any announcements?

Yes, I do.

Um first of all, uh we are going since we have a packed agenda today committee.

And then I'm also going to uh limit public comment to one minute.

Uh, we do have a packed agenda, and I want to make sure we get through all the items.

Um, the other thing I just wanted to uh mention is announcement is we do have a new police chief, of course, a permanent police chief, so congratulations to Chief Beer.

Um, and I also want to acknowledge that there was an officer involved shooting yesterday on International Boulevard in the afternoon.

And so uh there's an ongoing investigation.

And so um, I'm not able to provide additional comment, but that is uh an incredibly important thing to acknowledge.

And then yes, final piece is we will also be moving the uh item eight.

This is the OPD surveillance technology 2024 annual report um to item three.

Uh since I know that many of the public commenters have come here for that item.

Great.

Okay, noting the change of uh sorry, noting the change to the order of the agenda to hear item number eight after taking items one and two.

Moving on to item one, approval of the draft minutes from the committee meeting of June 23rd, 2026.

There are no speakers on this item, so we just need a motion.

Um I'll move the meeting minutes.

Thank you.

That's a motion made by council member brown, second by council member Houston to accept the committee meeting minutes of June 23rd, 2026.

On roll council members brown, aye.

Five excused Houston, aye and chair Wong.

Aye.

Thank you.

Item one passes with three eyes, one excused five to accept the minutes, the draft minutes from June 23rd, 2026.

Uh reading in item two, determination of schedule by standing committee items, and we do have two speakers for this item.

Okay, we'll go to public comment.

Calling in the names that signed up to speak on item two, Jesse Rosemore and Blair Beekman.

Hi, how are you, Jesse Rosemore?

Uh the first item on this uh pending no dates specific list is to adopt a resolution directing the city administrator to implement approved processes for civilianizing certain sworn positions from the OPD to improve public safety services to our communities and create millions in cost savings by reducing overtime hours.

This has been the longest one on this uh pending no date specific list.

It's been there on over it's been there for over a year.

Uh we demand that you schedule this now.

Um having this be the longest item on the to yet to be scheduled shows that Oakland doesn't have a budget problem, it has a leadership problem.

This goes beyond mouth easens.

Um we need to save money.

Uh we have a city council that is defunding Oak Dot, defunding the CPRA, and uh, you know, just doing abjectly corrupt things as pointed out by several city employees, 555 according to city of the thank you for your comments.

Switching to Zoom user Blair, you can unmute yourself and begin your comments.

Hi, Blair Big Ben.

Um important uh public safety meeting tonight.

Uh thank you.

Um I guess uh with upcoming agendas.

I hope um uh agenda item.

Um we're gonna be wanting to address um surveillance technology, technology.

What are our choices besides Spark?

How can those conversations start to become a little bit more public and regular?

Um it's important what we're doing with the subject.

We really have a chance to address the future of uh warlike practices of corporations and ask for practices uh that work more towards peace, basically, open democracy, uh clear accountability.

Um good luck how we do that.

We have to start making those asks a bit more public and regular at this point, I think.

Uh what we start now by uh this time next year.

Um January uh we're supposed to have a new uh ALPR vendor by next fall.

Uh thank you for your comments, Chair.

That concludes all speakers on this item.

Great.

Any anything for my colleagues?

No.

Um administration.

Great.

I'll take a motion.

Perfect.

Um I'll motion to move the the pending list.

Second it.

Thank you.

We have a motion made by Councilmember Brown, seconded by Councilmember Houston to accept the determination of scheduled outstanding committee items as is.

Aye.

And Chair Wong.

Aye.

Thank you.

Item two passes with three eyes and one excused five to accept the determination of scheduled outstanding committee items as is.

Reading in item eight, noting that there wasn't change to the order of the agenda.

Adopt a resolution accepting the 2025 annual reports for the following City of Oakland Police Department surveillance technologies.

A automated license plate readers, B, Crime Lab Biometrics DNA analysis technology, C, forward looking infrared.

Um F L I R.

D, uh Live Stream Transmitter E, Unmanned Aerial Systems F, forensic logic coupling crime tracer systems, G, Penn Register, and H celebrate and two making a determination regarding whether the city should continue to continue to use each of these technologies.

And there are 16 speakers that signed up to speak on this item.

Okay, great.

I will turn it over to you, uh DC Dazakriaz.

Um, if I pronounce that correctly.

Absolutely.

Okay, all right.

Um, and then uh if I know that you are requesting a modification to uh this item if you want to state that up front.

Absolutely.

So again, acting uh deputy chief Dazikiros uh from the Oakland Police Department.

Uh so OPD is requesting that the uh ALPR Automated License Plate Reader for 2025 annual report be removed from the agenda as the policy changes recommended in the report and accompanying revised Department Agenda Order I 12 ALPR policy are not contained within the resolution related to this item.

The concern around the resolution was identified by OPD and then brought to the attention of the city attorney's office for clarification.

OPD is requesting to reschedule this specific item uh after the legislative recess to allow for the presentation of the annual report in conjunction with the amended policy.

This will allow for a more comprehensive discussion around potential policy changes that reflect the ongoing analysis of the ALPR program.

The movement of this item will not impact the presentation of the annual report within the designated period.

It will also not impact the department operationally.

Thank you.

And um, since I had some back and forth discussions with OPD colleagues, does that make sense to the ALPR uh section is being withdrawn?

Uh this is item listed eight in the agenda sub item A.

Okay.

Please go ahead.

Uh as everyone knows, the Oakland Police Department uh is short staffed, uh, but we do, we are actively recruiting for additional resources, uh, but we rely heavily on technology, and this technology has assisted us greatly uh in uh solving crimes, uh identifying potential people of interest, and also assisting our community and the victims of crime.

Uh we have utilized our unmanned aerial system, which are our drones, uh, forensic logic, cop link, crime tracer, uh pen registers, cell bright, um, to assist us greatly in our investigations.

Um I know everybody has had a chance to review uh these annual reports, and we can go in depth in each one.

Um if you would like, we can go through each one, and if there's specific questions, I can answer them to make it easier because I don't want to answer questions that you might already have or I think uh DC Dazakiros, there we go.

That's a better pronunciation.

Um I think it would be good if you could provide just a quick overview of each of the technologies for uh everybody in this committee.

Absolutely, we'll make that easier.

So uh again, we have uh instrument amount of technology in our department.

Uh one of the things we have is our unmanned aerial system, better known as drones, uh, that have assisted us greatly in our department.

Uh these drones, uh our program began in 202, um, and we have deployed in 2025 131 incidents.

Uh this uh we present I'm sorry, uh it says 130 times, but it's actually 131, and I clarified that with the prize the privacy advisory commission already.

Uh but the drones have assisted us greatly in being able to provide real-time intelligence, uh give us unknown, unknown uh information where we can't see, and also be deployed and be able to give us uh a better response time.

So if there is an incidence where a suspect flees from us and goes into a yard, uh we can deploy the the drone, give us some real-time intelligence just so we don't send officers in there.

So it mitigates uses of force, gives us real-time intelligence, and also assists us in being able to get that person safely out and for officers to safely take that person into custody.

Thank you.

Um I provided several incidents in here where they have assisted us.

Um I can go through those um 10 different types of incidents that we've had, but as you can see on pages eight, nine, and ten, uh, these were some uh incidents that were uh very dangerous.

There are barricaded suspects, uh, there are uh specific incidents where people are armed with firearms, and all of these incidents resulted in the safe apprehension uh of armed suspects, and also the mitigation of uses of force.

Uh we do have our flare, which is our forward-looking infrared.

Um we do have somebody here from Argus, which is our air support unit.

Um this technology was not used in the past year, and I believe it's also uh outdated, uh so there's not much to report on that, unfortunately.

Uh the next one is our live stream transmitter uh feed where we utilize that for uh active uh protests.

Uh we did not deploy that again in 2025, as you can see in the annual report.

The next thing is our mobile forensic extraction device.

Uh basically this is uh OPD's uh mobile forensic extraction device.

It's basically a tool used to extract data from seized mobile phones and tablets.

So it performs a one-time data extraction and doesn't conduct live surveillance.

Uh you could see that we uh extracted 738 devices, and um five were related to uh internal administrative uh OPD searches, and 733 were related to criminal investigations.

I know one of the things that has been brought to our attention is making sure that we look at outside uh potential different vendors.

Uh I can tell you that we have been testing two different vendor vendors.

I'm not gonna specifically mention those names of those vendors.

Uh but one of the vendors has had a 3% success rate.

The other one has had a 62% success rate, while our current Subright has had a 95% success rate.

And again, these are uh a device that we utilize in assisting us in uh violent crimes.

So if there is a homicide, a robbery, a home invasion robbery, a sexual assault, uh somebody who is being uh placed and victimized on our streets uh for prostitution activity and we're looking for pimps.

Uh these are uh a device that we utilize to assist in our investigations, and they've been extremely helpful.

Uh the other system we have is a pen register system.

Uh that's basically a real-time surveillance tool that records uh meta information about ongoing and incoming phone communications, such as dialed numbers, timestamps, and call frequency.

It doesn't capture the content of communication, which is really important for everybody to understand.

Uh, we currently utilize a gladiator pen register system uh to receive and analyze this data.

Uh we utilized that data 86 times uh last year for 47 separate investigations, and we obtained search warrants for all for 80 of the 86 installations, and six of those installations were conducted under exigent circumstances.

Uh the majority of them are uh were violent crime.

Uh six of the exigent uses occurred in two incidents.

Uh one was where a suspect ambushed and sought and shot at uniform officers, and the other one was a threat of a potential school shooting.

And then lastly is uh crime tracer, uh formerly known as COP Logic.

Uh basically just to make it easier, it's a kind of like a Google platform database system where it assists us as somewhat of a one-stop shop that assists us in uh being able to research and look for uh across law enforcement records for calls for service, field interviews, arrests and booking records and citations and uh police reports.

It does not contain any automated license plate reader system.

Um and as discussed and was discussed at the privacy privacy advisory commission, and I believe also passed at public safety and city council is we are moving forward uh towards peregrine, uh, a different database system, which is similar, still similar to a Google platform, but basically it is uh cities across the Bay Area have now moved away from crime tracer and have gone to Peregrine.

Additionally, there is a better auditing system on Peregrine, and we can also uh limit access and we can limit who sees this information and who it's shared with, whereas Crime Tracer was kind of a free-for-all.

Anybody could have access to it.

Uh basically those are the um our surveillance annual reports.

Um again, uh, whether we should continue the use of such technology.

Uh Oakland Police Department strongly uh urges you to obviously vote yes, and I agree that this technology does assist us in assisting the victims of violent crimes, but also helping to identify uh pretend uh suspects who have committed these crimes.

Thank you so much.

Colleagues, and then I do want to turn it over to public comments since we have many uh folks here.

Uh councilmember Houston.

Through the chair, how are you, sir?

Um, that's amazing when you talk you spoke on the pen register.

You said help stop a school shooting and uh shooting of a at an officer.

Yes, let me get back to that report.

Yeah, take your time.

Take your time because I got a couple of just couple of cards.

That's amazing.

School shooting.

Wow.

Yeah, so for the school shooting, uh, we actually have a listed incident here uh where the where we used it to facilitate identify the location of the individual making the threat uh for a school shooting.

So you can obviously just considering the fact of how dangerous and just nationwide trying to prevent such incidents from occurring, how this can assist us greatly.

Yeah, threats become real.

And what about the shooting of the at the officer?

Uh this one we very we had some limited information and it's still open, so we're not talking too much about it.

Right.

But we did apply and it did assist us in the investigation.

Okay.

Last thing about that um cellbrite, you had two vendors.

I know you said you couldn't mention their names, but what was the percentage, the two percentages, and then what was the cellbrite percentage?

Absolutely.

Umbrite has shown us to have a 95% success rate in downloading uh information from cell phones, while the other two vendors, one has three percent, and one has had 62% success rate.

Uh we're not stopping there, we're still looking at other vendors.

Uh understand.

Last question through the chair.

And you said the um the drones, you said 131 times it was used in 2025.

Uh yes, uh, Councilmember Houston.

Yeah, we had 131 times.

I had listed 130.

That's my mistake on there.

Uh prior to that in 2024, we had 126, and prior to that, we had 220.

And I like to bring that to attention because one of the things we discovered obviously was 2023 was our first full usage of utilizing drones, but you can see that it's gone down.

So it has to be approved by a commander on scene.

So just because uh an incident may warrant a drone, each commander will identify the incident and determine whether or not a drone is still needed.

So just because we have this technology doesn't mean that we deploy it every single time.

We look at it case by case.

Good, and thank you.

Because I talked to the county and they're telling me this working perfectly with the sheriff department.

So thank you.

Councilmember Brown.

Excellent.

Um, thank you so much for the report and the update.

Um, I had a couple questions about the drone usage.

Um are you able to share what progress the department is making on like the training of um like the drone teams?

Because I guess I'm curious if that actually is contributing to like the the lack of usage.

Um so currently, right now, I believe off the top of my head, we have 20 FAA 107 certified pilots.

Okay.

Um we also have them, so every these are ancillary positions, so it's not full-time positions.

So a lot of these officers are working different assignments, whether you're in patrol, uh investigations, uh working in ceasefire, working in our uh uh special resources section or uh different uh obviously assignments.

So whenever they're hearing for a call for service if someone is not there, uh they're trying to respond to that location.

The other thing we have is that our drones are depleting in a sense.

These are the same drones that we've had since 2022.

Uh these drones were donated to us uh by the lovely community of Oakland.

Uh so we had two separate donations totaling 100,000, and these are the same drones we've had since 2022.

So we're also being cautious too on when we deploy them and how many times we use it.

Just like uh anything else, uh it is a car and they break.

So fortunately for my for uh for me, uh I have uh some intelligent people on our team that are able to uh also become mechanics and try to fix the drones themselves as little parts break.

Um so it is a depleting resource as far as uh mechanical and also uh financial.

So we are looking at other ways to purchase new drones which are working on right now.

Um, but that's mainly the biggest issue right now.

Thank you so much for that.

And do you what is the current life of a drone?

Uh you know, it depends on the battery life.

So we've had to purchase additional batteries, and the drones we have are from 2022.

So the but the problem we're seeing right now is those purchasing those batteries are extremely outdated and they're not lasting as long as they normally do.

So the charges aren't holding as long as they are.

So they're constantly having to purchase new new and new batteries, if that makes sense.

Yeah, absolutely.

Um and then my next question um had a little bit to do with the data around like the celebrate usage.

And I just wanted to confirm that in order to use the celebrate technology, it actually requires a a warrant.

Is that correct?

That's correct.

It does require a search warrant.

Yep.

Okay, thank you.

Thank you, Councilmember Brown.

Uh before we turn it over to public comment, just to confirm, is this a comprehensive list of all the surveillance technology?

Like I noticed that ShotSpotter is not included in this set of reports.

Why why is that?

I believe that goes at a different time.

We didn't we haven't presented ShotSpotter.

Okay, so we'll get it at a next set of reports.

Okay, great.

Okay, let's uh turn it over to public comment.

Calling in the names that signed up to speak on item number eight in no particular order, you can come up to the podium.

State your name before making your comment, or if you're on Zoom, please raise your hand to be easily identified.

Eris D.

Don.

Jesse Rosemore, Daniel Hoffman, Kendra Ferguson, Cherry Bow, Asada Olabala, Aaron Fenius, Adam Wolfe, Zarina Diaz, Madeline Stacey, Elizabeth Cochran, uh Noel Forrest, Blair Beekman, Owen Haupt, Angela Maddox, and I have one filled out under Tech Workers Coalition.

And if you are if you are seeding time or have someone seeding time to you, they must be present or on Zoom to acknowledge that they are ceding their time for um to you.

You go ahead.

Eris D.

Don, thank you very much.

Uh all of these proposals and all of the research done on these uh surveillance systems is a gross uh misuse of funds for the people of Oakland.

Uh it's a dangerous excellent escalation of surveillance on the people of Oakland.

We do not need to encourage a surveillance state.

These drones and cameras only act as a band-aid solution to sources of crime.

By Flock's own research and by your admission, the so-called benefit is between 10 and 20% for usage in completed cases.

The statistic does not indicate that these cases would have gone unsolved without Flock intervention.

For such a widespread implementation, the residents deserve more than a one in five involvement of these devices in resolved crime cases.

Mind you, that's not crime prevention.

You did mention crime prevention, but only for specific instances.

Uh merely crime resolution for most cases.

Flock falls short at every metric by their own numbers.

For comparison, oh I'm out of time.

Uh the we know what works.

It is giving money to healthcare and housing for the citizens of Oakland.

Next speakers, you guys can come up to the podium.

I'm sorry, I accidentally signed up for number three instead of number eight because it got moved around.

What's your name?

Riley.

I'm gonna cede my time to Danny.

To Daniel?

Okay, just noting that you will no longer be able to speak on item three.

And Daniel, give me one moment to adjust your time.

Yeah, go for it.

You can begin.

All right.

Uh my name is Daniel Hoffman.

I'm a district one uh resident, and I work over at Livermore with the Q clearance for uh working on nuclear weapons.

Um I first and foremost think that this item uh should be on a ballot.

Um if you look at the recent ballot with measure D and measure E.

Uh both of those combined are not as heavily weighted as what we're talking about now.

Uh but to talk about uh starting off as drones, uh the UAS system.

I acknowledge that it has its indoor use for barricaded and hostage situations.

I acknowledge that it um Ms.

Asada.

I need you to pause the clock.

I asked.

Ms.

Sada, this is your first warning.

You will be issued three warnings, or you will be removed.

We need to respect the speaker.

First warning.

Do it.

Uh Councilmember Wang, um, you know, that is your second warning, Ms.ada.

I think it's important to note that you know we want to make sure that we give um everyone's voices heard, and so everyone will get the opportunity to speak at the mic.

And so you don't get something.

I mean, we listen to you 24-7.

Oh, thank you.

Yeah.

Okay.

Okay, Ms.

Security.

Can you please speak with the Sada?

Thank you.

I appreciate you.

I was literally just trying to hear him speak.

Well, don't shush me.

Daniel, you can continue with your comments.

Your time will continue.

Alrighty.

Uh so acknowledging the barricaded and hostage situations, the overwatch for active scenes and fires that makes sense.

That is a tactical advantage, but I believe that uh we should establish some kind of a limiting operating radius of maybe like a quarter mile.

It gives you enough situation to uh uh go around a block without it being this uh scary step towards surveillance state infrastructure.

Uh one thing I do want to applaud is the crime lab biometric security.

Uh storing all the data on the internet and encrypting uh information end-to-end should be the standard for all of this uh information storage and transfer.

Uh, not so much an SD card on a drone or say manually inputting uh the drone log on a what is it, the Microsoft Teams Excel sheet, I believe.

Um can we pause again?

Security, can you escort Mrsada out, please?

Okay.

Would you want to use a card?

We should just let her speak first.

Okay.

Okay, so excuse me.

Do you feel ready?

Okay.

Let's do it.

Uh all right.

So lastly, I was complimenting the biometric security.

Uh ALPRs, I know it got moved, but let's talk about some statistics.

Uh in their report, it had 638 million scans, but only 1.1 million uh hot list alerts, which is if you divide the 1.1 by 6 uh 138 million, that is a 0.17% utilization rate.

Uh so let's say that's one scan per hot list alert.

If we multiply that by 20, that's still only a 30% utilization or a 97% waste.

Uh 1.2 million dollars, we're not getting 97% uh refund on.

Uh and we're building essentially a panopticon that only works 0.1% of the time.

Uh this is uh unfortunately not even a figure.

Thank you for your comments.

Your time is up.

Next speaker, you guys can come up to the podium.

Please state your name before beginning.

Cherry.

Uh I think the fact that you chose to remove ALPRs at the last minute from this agenda shows exactly why we cannot trust these kinds of technologies and why there's a lack of transparency when you brought all these people here, and most of them are there, are here to talk about the surveillance state and flock cameras on their corners.

Uh let's see.

Oakland already budgeted 2.25 million to flock back in December.

Um imagine all the social services that could have been funded if those funds went to somewhere else rather than the surveillance state.

Policing at this level of everyday life goes beyond the Panopticon and transforms lived actions into data by which people are watched, their behaviors are predicted, and then demonized based on their skin, location, and socioeconomic status, making every corner the wrong place to be at the perpetual 24-7 wrong time.

Oakland already has a habit of violating SB34 and unlawfully sharing surveillance data.

May every flock camera.

May every flock camera.001%.

The 99.977% is all just non-constitutional obstruction to civil liberties in Oakland.

And also approving this report, Oakland PD is not following the rules.

There are six currently approved usages for Flock.

But apparently the 33 usages have been in their system able to be selected for the last year.

I would really love to have you ask about that and see are they using these usages already?

Because you have not voted on this yet.

And that measure was taken then for safety and was a safety measure, and they incarcerated 120,000 people for the basis of being Japanese Americans.

And yeah, in reality, all safety measures sometimes do not do what they're meant to do, right?

They're actually meant to just harm humanity.

And so I would hope that we are choosing not harm, but choosing humanity.

Thank you.

The optics is corruption and collusion with OPD.

Hi, Aaron Fenias, District 5 resident.

Flock indiscriminately collects enormous volumes of video footage.

In Illinois, Flock has been caught breaking state privacy law by sharing that footage with out-of-state law enforcement officers, including customs and border protection agents, and a Texas sheriff tracking a woman who had an abortion.

Flock's sloppy license plate readings have led to false accusations.

And Flock's careless security practices increase the risk of hackers stealing footage.

When it comes to public safety in Oakland, I trust local violence prevention programs, not unaccountable tech companies or increasingly brutal and lawless federal agencies.

And so I would really urge that, especially if this is the way that they're going to like handle their own data that we really treat we treat them with a little bit of skepticism when they say that they are going to be good stewards for hours.

And uh I also think that fundamentally, you know, it is not surveillance or nothing.

You know, obviously when you you know when you compare lawlessness to surveillance, surveillance wins, but I think the ultimately there is another option, which is actually um taking that.

Hi, Jesse Rosemore.

Um, of the absurd things that I've heard the pro-flock hawks on the city council say from uh council member Wong.

I have heard you say that if ICE deploys here, we will just turn the cameras off.

So, you know, these cameras collect commute pattern data, so if you just turn them off, it will be too late.

ICE will have that data.

They will use it to do targeted objections of our neighbors when they go to Dublin when they open Dublin and when they per when they pursue that to fill up that facility.

So what I would like to know from you is what is the plan when ICE does he what they did in Minneapolis to warn every person that could be targeted by ICE in the Trump administration that they need to immediately change their commute pattern data or have targeted abductions at them.

That is a big task.

Who is gonna do it?

Are you gonna do it?

Which department is gonna do it?

What is the plan?

When are you releasing the plan?

Because this leaves us in danger.

My name is Anaya, and I accidentally sound up for three instead of eight.

Thank you.

I am not gonna repeat the statistics or the information that it's all really good that um my companions or they're not my companions, but the people who feel the same way as me, which is that I strongly oppose Flock, I oppose celebrate, I oppose surveillance.

I am shocked that what this is like probably the fourth time I've been in front of either this committee or the full city council talking about this.

And what you listen to us, you listen to the lies of OPD, and you just go right ahead.

So I I just don't know what to say about it.

I do want to say that we are supposedly a sanctuary city, and it should be very clear to each one of you at this point that ice can get into all of these certainly they can get into flock.

So I it just seems like corruption to me.

Madeline Stacy.

ALPRs provide indiscriminate retrospective location data of any person, no intermediary, on demand.

That is a search without a warrant, with capability to track and follow someone to sensitive locations, such as the hospital, immigration lawyer, hospice, churches, their home, their doctor, planned parenthood, their therapist, their lover's home.

And it can be used against lawful protesters.

Celebrate will be used extra judicially judiciously.

In the report attached to the agenda when the original contract was discussed by the city council, it states in addition to warrants, it will be used with documented consent to search the mobile device by the authorized possessor of the device.

And we know how consent is obtained.

All this data is sensitive and does not prevent crime.

Stop the surveillance date, cancel the contracts down.

Um, my name is Angela Maddox, and I'm against us having any contract with FLAC.

Um, I've discovered a lot of really scary things about this company.

Um they claim that they don't know where their data is being processed in the AI centers.

Um it's an Amazon AI center, Amazon says they do it globally, depending on whatever the local laws are.

So if it's legal here, they can do it in a different country or China, and we don't have any control of who's looking at the data on that end.

They don't claim any liability for the abuses in the system or try to build any way to stop the abuses.

They retroactively endate stuff and say there was no data breach because basically several months ago there weren't even passwords on these cameras.

Um and the partnership that they have that give the data to ICE, they claim that they don't keep the data, but then they claim that they have royalties to the data indefinitely, meaning they are keeping it.

They might not be doing it now, but they might sell it in the future.

They might be bought by a different company in the future.

It would explain why they're not scared of liability because they plan on selling or just selling our data.

Welcome back, everyone.

I am pleased to see that after a hundred pledges.

Can you state your name for the record?

I'll say it in a second, yes.

Um hi, my name is Bria Woodland.

I usually hear her pronouns.

I'm a constituent for district three, and I am very pleased to see.

One moment you're the chair to the member of the public.

I'm pausing your time.

Ms.

Sada, do you give her your time?

Okay.

Ma'am, you can proceed.

Can you start me over then?

You can proceed.

Ms.

Sada's giving you her time.

All right.

I'm gonna scratch off that first part then because if you can't tell, I'm very ecstatic to be here today because not to not only repeat myself, but to also hear my peers repeat themselves as well.

I please I hope that you don't take my sarcasm as disrespect to try to put yourself in my shoes, right?

That as a young black woman, a fourth generation Oakland native, that you, as my representatives, have decided to continue the flock expansion and explicitly express the complete disregard for my privacy.

That despite our budget deficit, unutilized resources, habitual and historical lack of police accountability, you still like to dump money into the system of enslavement and policing that was created to and effectively harms me every single day.

The privacy lawsuit against Flock should have been enough.

The Oakland budget deficit should have been enough.

And simply the outrage of your constituents should have been enough for you to say no in November and should be enough for you to say no now.

I don't appreciate the interruption, and I don't appreciate you guys cut.

Thank you for your comments.

Switching to Zoom user Blair, please unmute yourself and begin your comment.

Okay.

We need to move to the next speaker.

Thank you so much.

No, hello.

Hello, am I here?

I'm here.

Blair Beekman.

Hi, Blair.

You can continue.

Thank you.

Boy, thank you.

Uh hi.

I had to uh kind of be moving and to get into a good position to speak.

Um I'm outside in public.

Um thank you for this item.

Um I'm trusting your choice of police chief.

Um, I'm not trusting how you're talking about Flock.

When you voted for Flock in uh December of last year, was it the intention?

The police said they had to get the contract signed immediately.

Where is the contract signing process right now?

Is it actually been signed?

It was at least till May it was not signed.

That's part of why you're not talking to us right now, and I feel you owe that conversation of if it's signed or not.

Um we could have been working, uh you have a very good plan to leave the future of PLOC in two years' time.

We could have been working on a one-year time frame, but you guys are putting things off, and you are being incredibly unaccountable with some really basic good ideas.

Can we bring together good ideas and you guys be more accountable to the process?

I think waiting till September, October is kind of uh thank you for your comments.

Your time is up.

Simone, please unmute yourself.

Did you sign up to speak on item number eight?

And if so, what name did you sign up under?

Uh it should be Simone Renee.

I'm sorry, I do not have a speaker card filled out for you.

Um, calling in the names that signed up, the remaining names, Elizabeth Cochran, Noel Forrest, and Owen Haupt.

Okay, okay.

At this time, all names have been called Councilmember Brown.

Excellent.

Thank you so much.

Um, I just wanted to ask a clarifying question.

Um because I know that when we were discussing, I think all of these items, you know, one of the things that we requested was like an annual report back.

And I know that these reports customarily go through the privacy commission, right?

And so can I just get some clarity as far as why we have this item before us today?

And I feel like the title is um in a way misleading because it says to um under it number two, making a determination determination whether um the city should continue its use.

Um, what was the report back from the privacy commission around the annual reports?

Um, as far as all the annual reports when we presented to the privacy advisory commission.

I know all were approved and passed forward.

Um, as far as the delay in time, I'm not too sure why.

I know there was some scheduling issues, but as far as um any more specifics, I'm not sure.

Go ahead, Councilmember Brown.

Okay, and then my next question since we pulled item uh since a portion of the uh the item was pulled, item A, and this was supposed to be an update for the 2025 reports, and we're gonna get this now even later, where we've already well into the fall.

What's what's the status of the reports for I guess like six months into 2026, or when will we get a report on this year?

I think normally, and I could be wrong, we normally present to the privacy advisory commission.

I've lost my voice.

Usually in April.

Um that's if that's something we need to re-evaluate, we can, but usually we prevent we present in April.

So this 2025 um report was presented to the privacy commission in April of this year.

I have to double check that.

Thank you.

Do you have another question or do you want to sorry about that?

Okay, yep.

I know I authored this report, it says May 7, 2026.

Okay.

I have to double check to see exactly when it was scheduled and presented.

Yeah, I'm I'm just bringing I'm just I'm just raising that because you know, by the time we get this information and data, you know, we'll be on standby, really interested in what the data is for the for the current year.

So that's just my feedback.

Okay, thank you, Councilmember Brown.

Councilmember Houston.

Through the chair.

How are you doing, sir?

We'll see if I can still talk, but yeah.

Um as a representative of District 7, I get emails, calls that support this flock.

I mean, I don't get that many that do not, right?

So what if through the chair, Councilmember Brown?

Have you got you know emails about it from my district?

I'm not saying I'm talking about my district from the hills to the Sheffield Village to below the second railroad tracks.

They saying um they want it, they want the protection.

Um so I'm hearing totally different, and so I wanted to know who who's out in the audiences from district seven.

It's not protected, it's not payment.

District seven district so you're from district seven.

So, Ms.

Sada, you you how you feel about the flock?

Okay.

So I'm saying this that um my district wants flock, right?

So I want to move this.

Um, I want to move this.

Okay, and and to be clear, we're gonna be um council member Houston.

If you could move the item without exhibit A, actually, or exhibit subsection A exhibit E, which is the ALPR item because the request from OPDs to actually um present this in the fall time or later this year.

That's correct.

Uh it's so it's exhibit E, it's the attachment exhibit E, but it is item like sub-item A.

That will I like to move it like that because I'm telling my people want it.

Um so I'm gonna move it.

Okay, and just so the public is clear, this vote actually removes the ALPR item from this from today's vote.

We will return to this uh in the fall time.

And I will uh to be determined, I will second that.

Thank you.

We have a motion made by council member Houston, second by Chair Wong to approve as amended the recommendations of staff and support this item to the July 21st City Council agenda with the amendment to the legislation removing section A regarding the automated license plate readers and exhibit E labeled as attachment E.

On roll on roll, Council Members Brown.

Aye by excuse Houston, aye and chair one chairwong.

Aye.

Thank you.

And to the makers of the motion, is this on consent or not non-consent?

Consent.

Thank you.

Um my mic doesn't seem to be working.

Oh, there we go.

Uh through the chair.

I just wanted to clarify that the title also changed to remove the ALPR information.

Thanks.

So noted.

Now going back to the original order of the agenda, reading in item number three.

Adopt a resolution authorizing the city administrator or designee to enter into an operational area agreement with Alameda County to participate in an intermediate level of the state of emergency services organization that will comply with the state of California standardized emergency management systems for the period of the period from ratification through December 31st, 2035, and we have three speakers on this item.

Okay, do we have a representative from OFD here?

Hello.

Good afternoon.

Oh, good evening.

Okay, fantastic.

Please please go ahead.

The floor is yours.

So the Oakland City Council has adopted this original 10-year-old uh operational area agreement in 1995.

And then subsequently on January 11, 2006, and that one has expired on December 2025.

Alameda County has just approved their agreement with Alameda County agencies, both government, non-government, nonprofit, to participate in this organization.

There is no cost to the city of Oakland.

It is really for coordination of the resources, information, and mutual aid during disasters and emergencies.

Great.

I'm not seeing any comments or questions from my colleagues, so let's first go to public comment.

Calling in the names that signed up to speak on item number three, Jesse Rosemore, Asado Olabala, and Blair Beekman.

Hi, sorry, on that uh last item in that deliberation just now.

I'm Jesse Rosemore.

Um seems like you guys couldn't even get straight what you snuck into the agenda in such a long, lengthy packet.

I don't know, one of our public speakers had it printed out.

Could see how thick it was, and you gave one minute per person for all of that.

Okay, so for this item here.

Uh page two says the Alameda County Sheriff will be the operational area coordinator, um, and that we will have to count on them in the case of a disaster.

Um, since we care about Flock, we care about what's happening with Flock in Alameda County, and we have seen the Alameda County Sheriff lie point blank to the public about what is happening with Flock and what they've done around their public outreach on the item.

It is in page two, I know you're looking, it's in page two.

It says that that's gonna that's who we're gonna be counting on for these emergency services.

They in public outreach said that nobody had any concerns about flock when they ran this through the Alameda County Board of Supervisors, and several public commenters called them out for lying.

So one of the one of a big that is a big challenge is when we have evacuation procedures and it involves our students.

OUSD is not a neighborhood school district, it is a choice district.

We have children scattered throughout the city, and that's gonna be more challenging than neighborhoods.

When I lived in New Orleans and we had an emergency, parents were called and they would run to come pick up their kids.

Can't do that here, except in the larger percentage of our children are spread throughout the city.

What happens to those children when they separated from their parents, and we have to do something to protect them, house them, get them back home.

That's challenging.

Skyline 1400 students, no evacuation process in place, except to shelter in place on the football field in the case of a channel.

Thank you for your comments, Ms.

Olavala.

Yep.

I'm a man.

Thank you.

Switching to Zoom user Blair.

You can unmute yourself and begin your comments.

Hi, Flair Beekman.

I'm in agreement with the first public comment.

Um a lot of important items on the previous agenda item.

Um it really needs like a minute 30.

That additional 30 seconds could be a lot of help.

I hope you can learn that sort of uh flexibility in future public meetings, and a minute 30 is definitely needed when the item is brought to council.

Good luck in that effort to consider that concept.

Uh we have to use 130 a bit more, I think.

Not all the time, just a bit more.

Uh, I wanted to comment for this item that um yeah, uh, you know, the work that uh council person uh Wang is doing on um the international boulevard issues around 12th Street, and and so um can Office of Emergency Services at the California state level be of help?

Um and I suppose this sort of item can be helpful in in working with Alameda County and such, if it's towards you know, not law enforcement, and um that's why I thought of the Office of Emergency Services to address the California Office of Emergency Services.

Good luck in such concept.

Thank you.

Thank you for your comments.

Chair that concludes all speakers on item three.

Thank you, clerk.

Um, yes, so thank you for bringing this item before us.

Um I do have just a question around how often the mutual aid comes to Oakland versus when uh the city of Oakland is supporting our our neighboring jurisdictions.

So there's mutual aid agreement for like fire and police, and this is not part of that.

This is for emergency services for planning, response and recovery purposes only.

And this board, the Alameda County entity was created after the 1991 Oakland fires.

And this is in the California code to ensure that we, as all agencies in Alameda County, both government, non-government, and nonprofit and special districts, that we all have a way to coordinate with each other to create uh mutual trainings and exercises which enhance our capacity to respond.

And according to SEMS, the standardized emergency management system and national incident command system, the way it will work, the disaster is always local.

It starts in in the jurisdiction, so in this case, say Oakland.

Then once we exhaust our resources in Oakland in all or some capacity, then it goes to the operational area, which for us is the county, and that is what is that is established by the California Code following the 91 Oakland fire.

And then if the county is out of resources or can no longer support us, then it goes to the region and then the state and then federal.

So that's the progression of response.

Us being closely connected to the Alameda County ensures that we as all cities can support one another.

If we are affected and others are not, then the resources can come from them through the Alameda County coordination.

So that's an important part of this partnership.

Plus training and plus exercise, because no one jurisdiction has the capacity or the finances to create enough trainings and exercises to train city staff to train our partners and to train our community.

Okay, great.

So that's a helpful clarification.

So this is really pertaining to natural disaster planning, it sounds like not so much mutual aid as it pertains to either law enforcement.

Okay.

That's that's a separate issue altogether, different different code.

Okay.

So now this pertains to preparedness, readiness, response, recovery, and mitigation.

So we all work together to ensure our collective readiness, not just for natural disasters, man-made as well.

Um cyber attack that we experienced a couple of few years ago.

Um we were we have we're heavily relying on the county and also other jurisdictional experience with similar attacks to ensure that we take the right steps and employ right partnerships.

Okay, great.

Um, one final question, then I'll turn it over to Council Member Brown is just have you all been looking into just the use um or coordinating of like the text alerts and just notifications to residents in the case of a serious incident.

Absolutely.

In fact, we're getting ready to deploy a campaign for AC Alert, which stands for Alameda County Alerting System, and uh many of such tools are available through the county because again, the municipalities don't have the resources to buy platforms and so forth and coordinate them.

So we do have AC Alert in the City of Oakland.

We have two levels.

Uh, it's an opt-in system, so people have to sign up.

We have one that is specific to the city of Oakland staff for when we have something that is important to staff based on location or an incident, and then we also have a resident alert.

And in fact, those who were signed up for AC Alert on July or prior to July 4th, prior to July 3rd, would have received two alerts indicating the street closures for July 4th celebrations, uh, and any other important information that needed to be distributed.

So our residents and our visitors knew where where and how to get around the city.

Uh so we do deploy AC alert regularly, both for internal staff for things that matter to particular department or entity and to our residents when it doesn't have to be disaster.

July 4th was a celebration.

So that's good to know.

Thank you.

Councilmember Brown.

Um excellent.

Thank you so much for the report.

Um, I'm very familiar with the emergency management kind of protocol and system.

I got to take a handful of courses on emergency management.

Um, and so I know that is very complex, but it also requires, as you mentioned, um, we're uh you know, working across all of our governmental systems, right?

Um, to ensure its success.

Um, so my question is one of can you just at a high level maybe share with me, given that we're gonna enter into a contract that that is um about you know eight years long, pretty lengthy.

Can you walk me through like what are some of the coordination efforts that will that will kind of take place to ensure um you know just continued coordination?

Like are there you know, six-month check-ins, or like what what is the how how is the relationship like genuinely maintained?

Absolutely.

Easy question, thank you.

So this this agreement is between us, the city of Oakland and Alameda County, and every other jurisdiction, government, non-government, nonprofit, special districts are also entering into this agreement on their behalf.

So what or yeah, on their own behalf.

So what happens is we meet quarterly, and by we I don't mean necessarily I go, but somebody from my team will go to the quarterly meetings.

Uh we also have monthly check-ins just with the government entities, so that's specialized for government.

We have joint training opportunities several times a year.

A little bit hard to quantify, sometimes it's two a month, and then sometimes it's every other month, you know, that sort of thing.

But we'll probably have about a dozen training opportunities a year just through our county.

So Alameda County is who takes it on, who bruns the the expense of it, the organization of it, and all of it for for us to take advantage of it.

Uh we also have um multiple exercises a year.

So some are big, some are small.

What also the county does for all of our jurisdictions, they organize planning.

Uh one of the plannings that we've had so far this year was for tsunami response.

And before anybody says, we we are at risk for tsunami, maybe not a huge risk, but at risk.

So we, City of Oakland, participated with the city of County and the contractor that they hired to create Oakland Alameda specific tsunami plan.

If it happens, what do we do?

And the county, other county agencies were involved, Berkeley and so forth.

Then additionally, we just completed uh planning how to train elected officials on emergency response.

We haven't rolled it out, the work has just been completed, but at some point you will um all of our elected res um elected officials will get a very nice booklet that spells out if this happens, this is what is needed.

If that happens, this is what is needed, and we'll conduct the training for just the city of Oakland elected officials.

Those are just a few examples of how county supports the city of Oakland and other jurisdictions.

Excellent, thank you so much.

And I know last year some of us, myself and some of the other offices attended a training at the EOC around you know, um there was a handful of things that we that we got the opportunity to learn.

So if my colleagues haven't had the opportunity to do it, it was very insightful.

And the team that we have working at the EOC, they are phenomenal.

Excellent.

So thank you so much for the report.

Um, I'm happy to move the item.

Okay, great.

I will second that, but I just have one more comment to make.

Um I I was making the connection to what actually my questions before around the alert systems.

I remember reading about Maui and when there was that wildfire and the fact that the sirens did not deploy, and I think um it looks like in San Francisco, because there has not been the funding, the siren system is currently offline.

I don't know the status here in Alameda County, but I do think that is something for us to ensure that we have that um up and running, and um, since we know with climate change a natural disaster is inevitable, as you have all as you yourself have stated with the tsunami risk, wildfire is everything, and so uh I want to make sure that um we have that in place and that we are we are ready as a county and as a city.

Did you need me to answer that?

Sure, yeah, absolutely.

So in the the county in this particular case wouldn't have anything to do with this.

The city of Oakland maintains its own siren system.

We test sirens every month on the first Wednesday at noon.

Um we test one sound for a minute or so.

If you hear the siren on any other day of the week, any other time, there are three types of tones, but we don't expect everyone to remember them.

If you hear something, then go to the official news resource.

We most of our sirens are fully functional and operational.

We have a couple that are currently in maintenance status, but the SIREN schema around the city is such that even if one is out, there are others around the area that would um that would sound so nobody is without any sound, and we do test them regularly, and we have three agencies, so to speak, that are responsible for activation in case needed, and that would be through the fire dispatch, police dispatch, or emergency management, or the radio group at public works.

Great.

So it sounds like unlike San Francisco, our siren system is in fact working.

Correct, and we do work with our radio shop from public works and with our um public works um electricians and PGE and so forth to ensure that all of our sirens are in operational condition.

But yes, it is an aging infrastructure.

So every now and then, for one reason or another, one or two sirens will go offline, but we are maintaining them.

We are upgrading them by we, I mean the city.

And majority, as I said, there's only two of them that are currently in maintenance.

Great.

Thank you.

Let's uh move to the vote.

Thank you.

We have a motion made by Councilmember Brown, seconded by Chair Wong to approve the recommendations of staff and support this item to the July 21st City Council agenda on consent, honorable council members Brown.

Aye.

Houston.

Aye.

And Chair Wong.

Aye.

Thank you.

Item passes with three ayes when excused by to forward this item to the July 21st City Council Agenda on Consent.

Reading in item four, adopt a resolution accepting the Department of Violence Prevention's 2026 APROT annual report and approving the amended apricot use policy as approved by the Privacy Advisory Commission on June 4th, 2026.

And there are four speakers that signed up to speak on this item.

All right.

Go ahead and take it away.

The floor is yours.

Thank you.

Good evening, Council Members.

Jenny Lynche, Deputy Chief of Grants, Programs and Evaluation for the Department of Violence Prevention.

I will wait for my slides.

Great.

So I'm presenting on our APRCOT 360 annual report and updated use policy.

High level overview.

ApriCOT 360 is a cloud-based system developed by Bon Terra for use by social service providers to track service delivery and grant management tasks.

This is the system that the Department of Violence Prevention uses for our own internal direct service staff and also for the agencies that we fund to enter information about service delivery.

The system was first approved by the Privacy Advisory Commission and City Council in July of 2022.

It was then customized and implemented by the DVP in January of 2023, replacing our old system City span.

And since then we've had annual reports and use policies approved by the Privacy Advisory Commission every June.

So June 2024, 2025, and most recently 2026.

The system has multiple uses for direct service staff, both employed by the DVP and by the agencies that we fund.

The system can be used to track enrollment, service engagement milestones, and outcomes for individuals who are engaged in services, and then additionally for agencies that deliver group level services.

It tracks information such as attendance, duration, and content of group services.

For supervisory staff, again within the DVP and our funded agencies, they can use the system to review the services that are being delivered by the individuals they supervise to monitor service delivery and track performance metrics.

Grant management staff, both within the DVP and our funded agencies use the system to track budget spend down.

So we have reports that are automatically generated every quarter to show how expenses are being spent down in various categories.

It's how we track progress on contract deliverables.

So we also have a standard report for every contract that's based on the service deliverables in scopes of work, and it shows exactly where agencies are supposed to be every quarter and then where they actually are.

And then we use it to receive and process quarterly invoices.

So every quarter agencies input information about what they did that quarter, about their expenses, we review all of the information, that's how we process invoices.

A few select program staff within the DVP use the system to coordinate services between agencies and support effective implementation.

So a good example of this is the violence interruption services.

We fund for community-based organizations to deliver violence interruption services in Oakland, but the DBP also has internal VIs who kind of quarterback that work.

And so the ability for them to see updates that are being entered by the various agencies is very helpful in coordinating the response.

And then lastly, data and evaluation staff use the system to summarize service delivery information for reports to council, to commissions, to funders to monitor consent form completion and eligibility criteria.

So we have standard eligibility criteria for our gun violence services, for instance, and so our one data specialist makes sure that those criteria are being met.

And then if there are data entry errors, there's regular checks on that.

For the annual year of 2025, the system was used by approximately 36 staff from the DBP and 170 staff from community-based organizations.

There were also individual records entered for about 2400 individuals participants in services.

In terms of data sharing, de-identified data for all participants, and then personally identifiable information, which means name and date of birth for individuals who provided their affirmative consent was shared with the same party in two different occasions.

One was Urban Institute for their evaluation of Measure Z funded services, and one was Urban Institute for their evaluation of a state grant that we have.

We have had no complaints or concerns raised about the system regarding its protection of civil rights or civil liberties.

And our data analyst is in frequent communication with grantees about a number of things, and when he receives feedback on hot ways to improve the system or additional things that they want collected, we're happy to make those changes or develop reports that would be helpful for them to monitor service delivery.

Service delivery information in APICut is limited to high level information, so it's number and duration of contacts and service outcomes.

Personally identifiable information is only required for adults who are receiving services related to gun violence.

It is not required for youth at all, or for individuals who are receiving services related to gender-based violence.

This is a high-level overview of the race ethnicity breakdown of individuals who are entered in Aborcott being served by DVP or DVP funded organization services.

If you take away the missing, these percentages are actually slightly higher.

So the majority of individuals being served are African American or Latino.

That closely mirrors the breakdown of race ethnicity for individuals impacted by gun violence and domestic violence and commercial sexual exploitation in Oakland, which is what we're charged to reduce.

And we have had no public records requests pertaining to the system.

The annual cost of the system in this upcoming fiscal year is 125,000.

Approximately half of that will come from our general purpose fund, and then we try to write in a portion of that into every external grant that we get.

So about half of that is funded by external grants.

So our chief Holly Joshi, our deputy chief Daniela Medina, who oversee all of that work, they receive weekly performance reports where they are able to see exactly what all of the life coaches and violence interrupters are doing to implement the model and ensure that they're having the high touch points that are required to achieve impact.

It's also how we, as we've discussed in prior meetings, how we hold CBOs accountable, it's how we track their performance metrics to make sure that they're meeting what we said that they were going to do in their scopes of work.

It's how we coordinate service or it supports rather coordinating service delivery within the group strategy, as I mentioned, specifically around violence interruption.

It allows us to easily summarize share data with groups like city council, oversight bodies, public funders, and then of course it is the source of data that we use for impact evaluations.

So for the Measure Z funded evaluation from Urban Institute, this is the source of the data for any future evaluations that are funded by Measure NN, this is where the data will come from.

And then lastly, we're proposing one amendment to the use policy this year.

The current use policy states that personally identifiable information again, name and date of birth is not entered for individuals receiving services related to gender-based violence.

We would like to just change that language to say is not required.

We would like to, just as we do for youth, give them the opportunity to opt in to sharing data because it's so powerful and helpful for evaluation purposes.

That was one of the findings from Measure Z evaluators was that they simply didn't have enough, they didn't have data at the individual level to be able to do impact evaluation for gender-based violence services.

So with this change, we would simply be giving people the opportunity to say yes or no.

Of course, they could always say no and still access services.

There would be no bearing on that.

And that concludes the presentation.

Councilmember Brown.

Not necessarily a question, but more of a comment.

It seems very clear that this the program and like the system is working very well.

And it also has a clear nexus to when you all come back and share hey, how are these community-based organizations doing with the program services?

And it also sounds like maybe we should duplicate it and other departments could use it utilize it as well.

Because it just really seems like the it allows it's a great tool to really collect the data and get the clear feedback.

But thank you so much for the report.

Really appreciate it.

Yeah, through the chair to Councilmember Ron, just to add, um, it is a great tool.

It's far superior to the former tool that we were using, and it allows us to again not only track the data but create all kinds of customizable reports that are really helpful for implementation.

One thing that's very exciting is that we were able to about a year and a half ago poach our former technical assistance provider from Bonterra, and he's now an employee of the Department of Violence Prevention.

So we have uh lots of capacity to do really cool things.

If for some reason another department uh adopts the technology, we would be happy to lend his expertise.

Wow, that's phenomenal.

Thank you.

Um, I'll make a motion to move the item too.

Sounds good.

Well done.

What a way to fill our vacancies.

Um, Councilmember Houston.

Through the chair, um, what tool were you using prior to this?

And the one that you were using prior, how is it being done before?

Through the chair to council member Houston, we were using City Span.

It is still being used, I believe, by uh the Department of Human Services.

It was not, we were not able to enter personally identify or like individual level data from the community-based organizations that we fund, and then uh us be able to summarize that into deliverables and to reports that we're able to easily see.

So the agencies were instead some entering um already summarized data, so there would be boxes that say how many individuals did you serve rather than entries of individuals served being summarized in reports that we can see.

It gives us a little bit more accountability, and also support with service coordination.

Puka, all right, okay.

Okay.

Um, and then before I second the item, I just have uh well, one comment, which is I do agree with my colleague.

It sounds like this system has some use, say, for example, human services that we know has some challenges around reimbursements.

Does this system actually support the reimbursements of the providers, or this is simply uh sort of tracking performance metrics?

We use it to prepare the invoice that is then submitted into the AP portal.

So the AP portal is still the system that is used to actually process the invoice and issue payment, but we use this to prepare all of the documentation that goes into the AP portal, including the itemized spend on of expenditures and the summary of um deliverables achieved.

Okay, interesting.

And then uh just with regards to the amendment, I'm sure that you've thought of this, but I just uh would like to to vet this is given, of course, the data, the special data privacy needs for like a domestic violence victim or a trafficking victim, what privacy controls are um or privacy protections are included in the system to ensure that that the data couldn't be misused.

So the data are only accessed, every user of the system has very specialized permissions.

Um so any um staff member to community-based organization, for instance, can only access data that they enter, not that anyone else enters.

Um, and that's the case for everyone.

The exception to that is the data specialist who works for the DVP and myself who have slightly broader credentials.

Um, but for the most part, individuals who access the system only have access to the data that they enter.

Somewhat related is in terms of providing consent for their personally identifiable information to be entered.

Um, they they provide that consent.

It is not by any means required as part of service delivery, and that complies with the VAWA expectations, which is that you give individuals the ability to consent or not, and don't make services contingent on that.

Um so those are protections are in place.

Okay, great.

Thank you.

Second public speakers.

Calling in the names that signed up to speak on item number four, in no particular order, you can come up to the podium, state your name for the record.

Almazi indigo, Jesse Rosemore, Asada Olabala, and Blair Beekman.

Hi, Jesse Rosemore.

Um, DVP provided a well-written report compared to OPD, who did not provide a well-written report.

Uh, we get one minute to speak on this item, where for item eight, we also got one minute to speak on this garbage, as uh Rowena Brown mentioned, just uh nonsense that we had, only one minute to speak on.

Um this city council, three of the members of this body, seven members of the city council itself will give OPD anything it wants and its austerity and means testing for everything else.

Um Wong, Councilmember Wang, you're pretending to care about data privacy when it comes to DVP.

Why don't you issue that same care about privacy to flock, which so many people came to speak on, which is very clearly not popular with your constituents and with everybody in Oakland.

Um we have a city council that serves Piedmont landlords and the OPOA.

Um we should be funding uh violence prevention and safety, and uh, you know, we need a city council that doesn't do austerity.

So there's some clarity that needs to be explained.

The report says that you have participant records, 2300 program enrollment 2500.

What's the difference between the two?

When you look thank you for the numbers of what you provide as services, employment 37, family and victim support 17, and I'm not gonna be able to go through all the numbers, but what I didn't see in the report, and you gotta distinguish between services and referral.

Referral means you identified a source.

Service means you actually got something in terms of a need, but you didn't identify anything that accommodates trauma recovery, mental health care, anger management, drug treatment, and those are areas that need to be addressed when you're talking about some of the issues that you want to thank you for your comments.

Switching to Zoom user Blair, you can unmute yourself and begin your comment.

Hi, thank you, Blair Beekman.

Um, this is another item that can serve uh councilperson Zwang, Councilperson Wang's work in um on the International Avenue or Boulevard, uh really well.

Um it was nice to hear.

It was nice to hear that this is really based on GVP social services, and not so much uh law enforcement wasn't too much mentioned, and that was really helpful.

Uh it's a place, it's a resource place.

You know, the meetings we had on on um the international boulevard issues a few weeks ago.

They uh the people there, the the women there, they need resources.

That's what was being said by the public.

Um, and this seems an item that helps provide those concepts, which is just um it's just a way to work our system, how we're gonna understand this best.

So uh thank you.

Um it was nice to hear this item and what its intentions can be.

Good luck, we can live up to its potential.

Thank you.

Thank you for your comments.

If your name was called, please come up to the podium.

At chair, at this time, all names have been called.

We can move to the vote.

Yes.

Yes, we have a motion made by Councilmember Brown, seconded by Chair Wong, to approve the recommendations of staff and support this item to the July 21st City Council agenda on consent on roll, Council members Brown.

Aye.

Bye.

Aye, Houston, and Chair Wong.

Aye.

Thank you.

Item four passes with four I support this item to the July 21st City Council agenda on consent.

Reading in item five, adopt a resolution authorizing the city administrator to enter into a professional services agreement with the Bright Research Group, Inc.

for the training and capacity building services for the Department of Violence Prevention from September 1st, 2026 through December 31st, 2028, for total contract amount not to exceed 513,000.

And there are three speakers that signed up to speak.

Okay, great.

And um, I'll turn the floor over to you.

I um know that we are we have about half an hour left till we get to 8 p.m.

So I would love to uh if you could make it succinct.

Thank you.

No problem.

Good evening.

My name is Vanetta Thomas.

I'm the manager of the training group bureau within the Department of Violence Prevention.

So I'm here today to talk about adopting a resolution to award a contract of 513,000 dollars to Bright Research Groups for training and capacity building services from September 1st to December 31st, 2028.

Um Service C VP's mandate, as you all know, our mandate is to reduce gun violence, domestic violence, and commercial sexual exploitation.

And we do that through supervising and deploying direct service staff within our community, funding and coordinating community services to deliver violence interruption services, and building the capacity of the ecosystem of community violence interventionists.

In 2024, the DVP received $3.5 million from Kaiser.

Part of this funding included hiring a training manager, myself, to build and maintain an infrastructure for training CVI workers.

In addition to that, last year, DVP received investment from the Green Light Fund to develop and launch Oakland Peace Academy.

This will be a fellowship for community violence interruption workers through a partnership with Urban Peace Institute.

The purpose of the training bureau is essentially to be a hub for aim to strengthen professionalize and sustain Oakland's violence interrupters, life coaches, gender-based specialists, etc.

And our vision is to do this through leadership development, the Oakland Peace Academy, and through capacity building.

And that can be a variety of things: trainings on harm reduction, self-care, dealing with compassion fatigue, supervision, managing a budget for organizations, just capacity building for both leaders within organizations and within the DVP as well as for the direct service staff.

In February, a request for qualifications went out for a contractor to provide services to support the training and capacity building efforts of the training bureau.

There were five submissions.

Of them, two were passed through the city's procurement process.

And of the two that passed, only one vendor, Bright Research Group, met all of the minimum qualifications that were listed in the RFQ.

Bright Research Group has over a decade of experience providing services to various departments within the city.

They are a research capacity building and design firm that's owned by women of color and based right here in Oakland.

And some examples of work they've done with DVP, formerly Oakland Unite in the past, is they actually were the organization that recommended and helped curate the Healing Centered Life Coaching Fellowship, which is an internationally recognized recognized certification.

They've helped support DVP network convenings, which brings together the grantees.

It's a time for networking and collaborative learning.

They've developed train the trainers models where CVI professionals are learned to be peer facilitators.

And they have also they also just have a lot of familiarity with Oakland's CVI ecosystem and is trusted by has a lot of trust of the organizations that we partner with.

Thank you.

Do you have any questions?

I'll start off with a comment.

I just want to commend you for your work on this.

I think this is exactly the work that ensures that Oakland continues to be on the front line of uh community violence approaches or interruption approaches.

So thank you.

Councilmember Brown.

Excellent.

Thank you so much for the report.

Um I only have one question.

I'm looking at the funding table, and I'm noticing that the item, the half a million is coming from the general fund, and then it said project reimagining public safety.

Um so my question is was this uh something that was budgeted in the um in the budget, or is this an additional allocation?

This is in the budget.

We tried to get the RFQ out before the current fiscal year started.

Unfortunately, unfortunately, there were a lot of there were holdups, and so um we were able to carry forward that money, and so it is within our budget.

Okay, perfect.

Thank you for the um clarity.

Um I'm not sure if there's a motion on the floor, but I'll second it if the chair, Councilmember Brown, you asked my question.

So good job, young lady.

Thank you.

Sure, I made a motion, and Councilmember Brown made a second.

Let's proceed.

Calling in the names that sign up to speak on item five, Jesse Rosemore, Asada Olabala, and Blair Beekman.

Hi, Jesse Rosemar.

I just like to point out that uh, unlike the OPD, uh, the Department of Violence Prevention in this case actually did an RFP and an RFQ and didn't ask you all to skip all of it so that they could have their preferred vendor for uh for this thing.

And we know that in the future they're gonna uh write an RFQ that's geared specifically so that only Flock could get it.

Um we had a nice presentation from someone who did a great job.

Whereas uh with the flock item, if I'm not mistaken, that was done by Omar Daza Kiros, who uh was involved in an officer involved shooting against uh someone who was then killed, and uh he wanted to get lethal, and that cost the city uh tens of millions of 10 million dollars, I believe, in a lawsuit.

Um so it's interesting that you're having that person uh speak on flock.

I'm glad to see Department of Violence Prevention doing a great thing.

We should have less officer involved shootings, we should have less flock and more violence prevention.

How about that from uh a city council with uh you know?

So you say these are women of color.

Everybody got color.

Some have more melanin than others, but this this ability to separate us so white people feel like they are Pacific group.

They in the group with the melanin group, they just have less melanin than everybody else.

So stop with that uh people, women of color, whatever color, and just say women.

And I got a problem with this issue with women here with this department of violence prevention.

I don't see no men.

And how this group that's women and most of the people you gotta deal with African American men, and so these women gonna deal with them, but or they say in their report when you look at them online that they hire men.

Okay, but we got a lot going on with this department with women being in most of the roles of leadership.

Thank you for your comments.

Switching to Zoom user Blair, you can unmute yourself.

Hi, uh, Blair Beekman.

Uh, hopefully, women in leadership isn't so much of a problem.

Um I'm hoping with this item that because um, you know, um ICE is really stepping up their rage process again, and guess what?

People are dying from it again.

So there's a lot of outrage.

I think we can be prepared in Oakland.

And uh I'm hopeful in what council person Brown and um Wang have been studying in and data collection rights that uh we can um be ready.

I think we can be ready with with this sort of work and effort of this item.

We have a bunch of programs like this that are simply I think um create something pretty important that uh is respected at the federal level.

And we have to continue to share what we know and what we want to practice is how to address our issues uh as a community.

This can keep ice away, so keep up the good efforts of this type of item.

Uh it really accomplishes a lot of things on a lot of levels.

Uh thanks for this.

Thank you for your comments.

Chair that concludes all speakers, and we do have a motion made by Chair Wong, seconded by Councilmember Brown to approve the recommendations of staff and to forward this item to the July 21st City Council agenda on consent on roll council members brown.

Aye.

Bye.

Aye Houston, and Chair Wong.

I think you motion passes report I support this item to the July 21st, City Council agenda on consent.

Reading in item number six.

Adopt sorry, adopt a resolution authorizing the city administrator to apply for, accept inappropriate Edward Byrne Memorial Justice Assist Assistance Grant funds uh sorry, up to 324,324 dollars for the fiscal year 2025 grant award period of October 1st, 2025 through September 30th, 2028, to support the department-wide training equipment technology and operational enhancements, and we have four speakers on this item.

Okay, great.

Um please take it away.

Yes.

Good evening, Chair and members of the committee.

Laraja Marshall, the Fiscal Service Division Manager for the Oakland Police Department.

Before you it's a Justice Assistant Grant, JAV funded for 2025 with a total allocation of 324,324.

The JAG grant is a federally funded program administered with partnership with Alameda County, which applies for the grant on behalf of the department.

And the funding allocations are based on the population.

OPD has been the recipient of this award approved by council since 2005.

Given the department's 7.8 million decrease in operation and maintenance, as outlined in the report, the department proposed the following 25,000 for training and professional development, which would um promote ongoing training that's not related to um posts, which would support training such as women's leaders in law enforcement, National Asian peace officers.

Secondly, there is $66,891.56 cents that's allocated to technology upgrades supporting replacements of aging computers that cannot support Windows 11, along with updated software, IT hardware, and other technology.

Lastly, there's $2,000, I mean $200,000 allocated for the helicopter and marine maintenance, which helps support the contracts.

One of the contracts is actually being reported on tonight.

And so this helps with vital services for the department.

These funds allow OPD to support operations without impacting the city's general fund.

This concludes my presentation.

All right, thank you.

And I do appreciate since one of my questions to um OPD in advance was this was providing more specificity on those categories of funding.

Um any questions for my colleagues.

Let's go to the public comment.

Calling in the names that sign up to speak on this item, Ares D.

Don, Jesse Rosemore, Asada Olabala, and Blair Beakman.

Hi, Jesse Rosemore.

Um, you know, you can see OPD's disdain for the public in uh the first paragraph of page five of this report.

Um it's pretty sloppy.

There's even a grammatical error on the last sentence.

This is of course the race and equity part of the report, and uh helicopters have a history of being uh used and giving putting noise pollution in uh predominantly uh black neighborhood, low income in black neighborhoods.

Um this is completely not looked at by the OPD, um, whereas you know, Department of Violet uh of violence prevention actually filled out the uh race and equity portion of this and actually cared to uh you know care about that part uh and also care about our privacy, which OPD obviously does not.

Um, you know, it's I I'd be interested in what approvals there are for helicopters, uh, because you just tried to uh match OPD's use of Flock, match OPD's the use policy of Flock to OPD's use rather than the other way around.

So what's happening here before I begin, I have a point of inquiry if that's okay.

Uh there is mentioned in this report the uh uh use for the the maintenance of the helicopter, but that is also another agenda item, agenda item number seven.

Uh so I do believe there there might be some overlap with that.

Uh and also uh we don't need to provide more funding uh for equipment for the Oakland Police Department.

Uh they are vastly overfunded because right now, by the Open Police Department's admission, they are understaffed.

We do not need to be given them more money for equipment that they do not need and will not use.

And uh in addition, uh these resources are actually not something that will actually help prevent crime.

Uh the Nevada Sentencing Commission released an eight-page document in 2022 that outlines three methods of increasing public safety and crime prevention rates of up to 51% in multiple different categories.

Uh, and none of them have to do with increasing uh equipment budget.

Uh I continue to ask you when any grant comes before you look at the other ways that grant can be used.

So this particular grant can be used for crime prevention and education, drug treatment, crime victims assistance, witness assistance, mental health programs, behavior programs, veterans court, and risk protection order programs.

That money can be used for all of that.

So we we are going to be using it for training in police equipment technology, but is that the higher priority?

So you have a responsibility anytime you see anything on the agenda, if there's options to look at the options and ask, why didn't you consider this?

Ruck crime victims or whatever, drug treatment, mental health.

Switching to Zoom user Blair, you can unmute yourself and begin your comments.

All right, thank you.

Um I think traditionally JAG funding has been used for more uh severe um law enforcement techniques, um, helicopters and things like that.

Nice to hear uh the items that uh uh Ms.

Obala offered uh really good thinking uh how JAG can be considered uh uh in in more better terms, and um the ideas of it being used for office equipment uh and not uh dipping into the general fund.

It's really nice to hear things like that.

So thank you, uh at least in those terms.

Um the work on this item.

Thank you.

Thank thank you for your comments, Chair.

That concludes all speakers on this item.

Thank you.

Councilmember Brown.

All right, well, thank you so much for the report.

Um I know that the application was a joint application with Alameda County.

It is interesting to note that Oakland received the second largest amount, right?

Of that allocation.

Um I do think that the comment from the public speaker around other eligible uses would be something that maybe we could consider.

Um, and when we get to the helicopter item, I know we're not there yet, um, but I do recall in recent conversations that that has been an ongoing expense, and maybe we need to invest in um I I think I've heard just issues with the helicopter.

Um we can talk more about it.

Um, but I would be interested in some of the other eligible uses for these funds, uh, because that list that the public speaker uh kind of named out was very intriguing, and we know that um though all of those things are services that our community could be could be in need of.

Um, but um, all in all, thank you for bringing the item and we accept them, we accept free money, right?

We accept the money.

So um happy to move the the item along.

Councilmember Fife.

Yes, thank you through the chair.

I I'm also interested in how we're determining the breakdown between um marine and aviation equipment.

And the reason I'm asking is because it feels like I don't know, the House of Dragons came through and burnt up all the ships in the estuary, and there's all these abandoned boats, and I they are there for a very, very long time.

And I'm not sure if it's staffing that's the issue or why can't these um boats be cleared out because it then it leads to environmental pollution in the water, and so I'd like to understand how um those funds are being um I guess divvied up between those two those two areas.

And I I would agree I brought an item three years ago around a fixed wing aircraft that is better in well, it's debate debated the environmental impacts, but definitely the sound, because ghetto birds are loud in the hood, and we gotta do better, but and we're spending like so much money on maintaining equipment that is just past its useful life.

I would I would like to see funds going to support clearing our waterways and you know, using, but anyway, what the point is how are you divvying diving up those grant funds?

So through the chair, um actually there was just a contract just landed with Lamb Marine for 1.4 million dollars that would do the vessel removals for the marine.

This is actually to just work on the boat, and so there's a hundred thousand dollars allocated for that for maintenance for that, and then the other hundred thousand is for the helicopter.

For what though, a hundred thousand dollars for a helicopter, that's a drop in the bucket.

Why so the total contract is eight hundred and fifty thousand dollars?

So we're gonna use some general purpose funds, and then we are gonna use some JAG funds as well, or grant funds to for the helicopter.

And what we'll we'll get to the helicopter questions on the next item.

Okay, thank you.

You're welcome.

I'll add to the helicopter question.

So I think in the reimagining public safety effort, it was established that uh a helicopter in terms of um regular operational costs is about four times the amount of the fixed wing aircraft.

Is the department starting to explore how to move towards the fixed-wing aircraft model?

Uh good evening, council member uh Captain William Fellow Complex Department.

Uh indeed we are.

We've actually proposed to the city council on uh several occasions a very uh detailed and robust document of the fixed-wing aircraft, uh it's expected life expectancy as well as maintenance costs, and uh council member uh five is correct, it is a significant reduction in operating costs over the long term for that aircraft.

It would result in substantial savings long term versus a rotary aircraft.

And so what is the the hold up at the time uh the discussion was we got to the portion of financing uh the aircraft aside from that the proposal was complete.

Okay, let's talk about this more in the the next item.

Do I have a second or otherwise I'll second that?

I I want to also explore, as I've said now for six years, alternative uses, particularly if if there's any way that we can investigate rape kits or any way we can um look into supporting more investigations.

I'm not sure if that's possible with these funds, and perhaps you can answer that before I offer a second to start clearing some of these coal cases, particularly around um DV and um you know some of the rape kits that have not been processed with OPD.

I would like to see that if possible for additional uses.

We could use the funds for those.

Um we did in the last grant that we that was awarded in December, we allocated funds for that.

So we covered that in the last grant.

Covered it like we allocated.

I want to say um the crime lab was awarded 200K for funds for just different things in the crime lab.

Yeah, I would like to continuation of that type of uh processing of grant funds, and I'll offer a second.

Thank you.

We have a motion made by council member brown, seconded by council member five to approve the recommendations of stop and support this item to the July 21st City Council agenda.

Honorable council members Brown.

Aye.

Five.

Aye.

Houston and Chair Wong.

I thank you.

Motion passes with four eyes to forward this item to the July 21st City Council agenda on consent.

Reading in item number seven.

Adopt a resolution authorizing the city administrator to enter into professional services agreement with Roto Craps Roto Crab Support Inc.

to provide helicopter maintenance services to the Oakland Police Department for the period of July 1st, 2026 to June 30th, 2028, and an amount not to exceed 1,700,000 with an option to extend the agreement for two additional years to June 30th, 2030 for a total contract not to exceed 3,400,000, and waiving the local and small local business enterprise uh program requirements, and there are four speakers on this item.

Okay, great.

You have um a few minutes.

I know we are close to 8 p.m., so it would be great to keep it succinct.

Thank you.

Uh John Van Regan, Oakland Force Department Helicopter Unit Supervisor.

Uh been the supervisor for 17 years, been flying helicopters for 17 years.

Uh here today for the maintenance contract for the helicopters.

Helicopters are uh maintenance intensive and specialized maintenance.

Uh we put out an RFQ.

Uh we're asking for the same $850,000, the same budget that we've had for the last six years with no increase, although um labor costs and park costs have increased.

We have not increased our budget.

Uh it's just meant reduced flight time.

Uh the two-year extension is not automatic.

We'll have to come back before you to ask to do the two-year extension.

It took city staff uh eight months to get this to you, so having that extension in place will eliminate that.

So that's very uh helpful.

Also, it does lock in the manufacturer to that labor rate for four years.

So uh can save us money.

Um that's it, that's what we're here for.

It's the contract.

I'm not seeing any uh council member five.

Go ahead.

I I just wanted to state um because I've heard now this presentation a few times since I've been on council.

I think it's imperative that this body prioritized a fixed-wing aircraft for um fiscal purposes, um, but as well as the environmental impact that it has on communities that frequently have um high speed chases, which I are extremely dangerous and highly restricted throughout the state of California as being potentially deadly and how uh a fixed wing aircraft could serve uh those uses that would take patrol cars out of um out of use when needing to engage uh in a suspect versus you know potentially causing harm that comes from high speed chases.

And since we're on the topic of high speed chases, I want to say that the Chase policy was not a city council policy.

Um that was something that was stated repeatedly um over and over again.

out of use when needing to engage uh in a suspect um versus you know potentially causing harm that comes from high speed chases and since we're on the topic of high speed chases I want to say that the chase policy was not a city council policy um that was something that was stated repeatedly um over and over again it is uh a policy that is a police uh department policy but that said I think it's it's important that we um prioritize in the next biennial budget a fixed wing aircraft to save money to save lives and to um address this outpouring of funds that are consistently occurring from trying to maintain uh a piece of equipment that is clearly outdated uh until we figure out um what to do about incidents that do require pursuit um to eliminate all needs of pursuit we're going to have some type of need for equipment and I think it we we've been presented with the information um time and time and again and just the fiscal savings alone I think are are important for us to consider um with our fiduciary responsibility to this body um and to the city uh that said um I will move this item forward but I just want to again just point out that we are hemorrhaging money from trying to maintain uh an old um piece of equipment that we still have use for and it was you know council member heuston and I were talking about it and he was like you know that's what drones are for I do want to point out that in inclement weather conditions drones are not useful uh we also have the issue of privacy when it comes to drones I know it would go through the privacy commission or what have you but um I I just we've been presented enough times that this is uh a fixed wing aircraft would be uh a better use of resources for the city and I just wanted to state that for the record and the information is all there you can go to previous council meetings previous info reports um Joe DeVries and I worked on it a couple uh three years ago and so the information is all there we just need to make it happen and we need to prioritize it council member Houston how you doing through the chair how you doing good good so so I'm just going so the public could hear this what's the hollow what's the helicopters for what are they for what are we using them for there's many things we use them for uh primarily we see them as a patrol car in the sky uh whatever dispatch sends us to we'll go to and cover um so you pick the call we can assist on it so so if we have drones that they say were outdated we can use that money for the drones I mean they should be able to have drones that can fly in bad weather technology we can go to the moon come back you know do all this right uh along with the flock cameras can't they I mean if we got flock and it's following what's through the city what do we need the helicopters for if our technology is is being upgraded so covering a bunch of things there uh and I'm happy to talk about airplanes too um drones and helicopters are two items in your toolbox um drones can't do what helicopters can do helicopters can't do what drones can do so for instance drones are limited on uh the distance they can travel the length they can stay in the air a helicopter can stay up for an extended period of time and go a farther distance um so drones can also get you right close right they can come you know the altitude right down by the house or the yard or or wherever the call is and obviously a helicopter can't it's gonna stay farther up so they both have their own unique distinct uses and and what they can be used for and what they can't but they're not interchangeable.

So have we can't use drones for go ahead sorry council member um I think one of the other important mitigating factors is that uh the drone technology as good as it is today sir it simply cannot maintain um any type of vehicle pursuits at you know speeds over 25 miles an hour it has council member five had had mentioned this too they are succinctly susceptible to inclement weather and those limitations uh the helicopter or a fixed wing aircraft would not be limited by those so at this point in time technology wise drones are certainly they're up and coming very quickly in terms of their technology and increases of usage and speed and things of that nature but they're not there yet and they won't be there for the foreseeable future with a need for a an aircraft uh would be uh optional for replacement so last question through the chair have we ever used the helicopters for like emergency saving someone's life you know how you see it on TV and they save people off the mountain that's a great question uh the helicopter is not a simple usage item for local police department it's a city tool and a great example was just recently um Sergeant Bannerwegan was flying we had a young lady uh she fell she was on a hike up in the hills she had fell in a ditch she requested uh assistance and thanks to his uh expertise as well as coordination with the patrol division that the air unit actually found her in the in the ditch who had fallen directed units in and actually uh assisted her back to safety.

She requested uh assistance, and thanks to his uh expertise as well as coordination with the patrol division, the the air unit actually found her in the in the ditch who had fallen, directed units in and actually uh assisted her back to safety.

So through the chair, you have to share those stories.

Right.

Is ironic, council member, that the PIO is actually putting that story out, hopefully tomorrow.

Okay, okay.

So so those are things that people need to hear, those is real life stories that you go like, wow, if you just save somebody's life, generationally mom, they f they cut because you just those stories need to be heard.

So this is why we need a helicopter.

All right, okay.

Councilmember Brown.

All right.

Well, I don't I'm not gonna try to put a downer on this, but um I'm gonna um uplift some some some research that um that we were able to find on this item and kind of as it was already stated, sounds like we need to move towards this investment in the in an alternative.

Um, but I just wanted to flag for everyone's awareness that this particular uh group, um RSI, um, in 2000, maybe it's on your radar, um, they actually there was a 15 million dollar wrongful death lawsuit about from a fatal crash that happened in the um hills fire in Fresno, um, and it had to do with um like maintenance issues around like um like hydraulic issues before the crash, and so in investigating that they actually found that it was in fact like a wrongful death due to like some maintenance complications.

So just wanted to put that on the radar that um I know that we continue to invest time and time again and keeping this helicopter operational, but I do think that we may be at a point where we want to invest in something um that would be better long term and um uh yeah, I just sorry I just wanted to say that for the record.

Um I'm not sure if that case was on your radar, it happened in 2000.

The air unit has a very strict uh policy in terms of maintenance and operational um modality every day.

Sergeant Banner Weegan and his team, they go out and inspect the helicopter, do pre-inspections, post inspections, um, which again lends to the fact that the helicopter is not simply a maintenance cost uh situation, but it's also a labor uh intense situation.

But we do appreciate you bringing that.

They, through decades of experience, have actually learned and they have in fact caught uh maintenance challenges before they go up in the air, so we're very cognizant of that for public safety.

Okay, uh great, thank you, colleagues.

Councilmember Houston.

One more question through the chair.

What year is that um helicopter?

So two units, sir.

Uh the first one is 1990.

That was when I was in middle school, and the next one, sir, is 1993.

Okay, cool, cool, cool.

So I have a question.

Um, what is the cost of a uh a new helicopter?

Top of the line, top of the line?

Three million.

So the replacement cost of a brand new helicopter, sir, would be one million dollars more than a fixed swing aircraft.

One million dollars more.

Correct, six million dollars, sir.

Six million?

Correct.

Okay.

Um and how much does it cost to maintain that helicopter per year?

About those two, those two.

850,000, sir.

850, okay.

So we just and how long we've been doing this.

There over 37 years, sir.

Okay.

All right, so I got it.

Great.

I know what to do.

And uh for the fixed wing aircraft, what is the upfront cost versus the annual opex?

Uh five million for an airplane.

And we fully support we do we'd have to have an airplane also.

Okay.

And get out of the way, and what is the annual ongoing maintenance costs of the fixed wing aircraft?

It'll be a third.

One third, okay.

So 850,000 divided by three, correct?

Correct.

The preliminary calculation that we did is that the the fixed wing aircraft dependent upon financing options should actually pay for itself in in as little as 15 years.

Uh but if you paid for it, cash it would be significantly less.

The the maintenance savings are so significant that by the time the 37 years that we've been paying for for rotary aircraft, you could have two aircraft in service at uh at the city of Oakland with a life expectancy of over 40 years each as opposed to 10.

Hmm.

That's noteworthy.

Just to play a little bit of devil's advocate, I support the idea, but I I guess I it's hard for me to understand for a fixed wing aircraft.

Do we need an airplane?

Like how does or an airport?

Like, how does that work in terms of deployment?

Does it because I imagine a helicopter can you know lift off from a helipad, but an airplane requires more runway?

So how does that work?

Does it require more travel time then for OPD in the case of an emergency situation?

Our helicopters are currently based at the Oakland Airport.

Uh-huh.

And the airplane will also be based there.

Oh, okay, great.

And then in the scenario that you described, which is rescuing a the woman from the hills.

Can a fixed wing aircraft, because I again I'm imagining this is just a civilian, where a helicopter can stay um static above the person.

Can the fixed wing aircraft do something similar, or does it do we require still helicopter equipment to do some sort of rescue like that?

The airplane will fly in orbit, um, and they will be able to look and direct uh ground units to the victim.

Okay, but no, they will not be able to do the actual rescue.

The rescue, okay.

But it sounds like ground units could have the capacity to do that, correct?

Sure.

Okay.

Go ahead, Councilmember Houston.

And then let's wrap it up.

Last question.

Um, the mobility is different.

I mean, if you in a helicopter, you can just stop, you can back up mobile in the aircraft, you gotta go around and around and around.

Correct?

That's part of the noise aspect, also.

So that airplane is going to be significantly higher, fly significantly higher than what the helicopter does.

Um, so you're not going to hear it.

But the airplane is going to have a significant camera on board, and that's how the job will be performed, is that the camera will look down and make the radio calls.

Okay, last question.

So who's gonna operate this?

What you call it fixed wing?

Who's gonna operate that?

Our pilots.

Okay, how many pilots do you have?

Two.

Okay.

And would they rather the ones that's operating?

Would they rather have a fixed or a brand new helicopter?

Come on.

I would say the fixed wing, sir.

I've been working on this project with the council as well as uh Sergeant Venuigan.

Of course, the helicopter is one of those tools that is it's fun to drive.

Okay, it's it's unique, it takes a specific skill set.

So it's actually in terms of just job satisfaction, it is fun.

The aircraft is so advanced, it's a twin-engine aircraft with a very low profile that it it is so safe, it practically flies itself.

You want to second that, Councilmember Houston?

Moving to um speaking, sorry, moving to public speakers, calling in the names that signed up to speak on item number seven, Airis Dunn, Jesse Rosemore, Asara Olabala, and Blair Beakman.

Jesse Rosemar.

I'm sorry, the OPD just said they want these helicopters because they're fun to drive.

Uh 1.7 million for what?

Like, like I said at the beginning of the meeting, we could be civilianizing IFPTE.

I'm sorry, civilianizing uh desk jobs at OPD.

Uh we could be looking into their overtime fraud, and then we uh we could have the money that you're going back and forth about and debating about their staff report says on page three that these helicopters will be used to surveil and intimidate protesters.

It's right in there.

Uh so it's that they're gonna do that with these helicopters just like they're doing with Flock.

Um, Council Member Wong, you want this meeting to end early, but you snuck flock in onto the agenda.

And uh I think you were here when Ken Houston uh flipped us off and fell asleep on both of those two meetings when Flock was here before.

So here we are again.

How do you expect this meeting to end at eight o'clock when there's just such nonsense by the OPD on this agenda?

Who does this council serve?

Sam Singer or the people of Oakland?

That's what we want to know.

We're seeing what's happening here.

Hello, Council Ariston.

Uh we do uh I I do love that uh Council Member Brown and Council Member Fife, you want to lower the costs uh of what we are spending and make it so that we are actually helping the people of Oakland.

Uh there are ways to uh quote lower emergency room visits by 80%, reduce the number of jail days by 130%, reduce probability of committing crime by 80%, and increase the probability of employment by 24%.

None of them are funding helicopters, none of them are funding surveillance cameras.

What they are is public income programs, things that will actually provide income through employment or public benefits to the people of Oakland.

Access to care, whether it's health care, mental health services, and substance abuse use substance use treatment, all of these things have actual researched effect that are beneficial for the people of Oakland, and I think those should be prioritized over equipment that is fun to drive for the people of Oakland.

For the people of Oakland, this is what we need to do.

Thank you.

So thank you for your service.

I got a lot of issues with police, but I realize we need your service.

See some of these people out here, when certain things happen, you know who they don't call, they're gonna call you.

Right.

If they get robbed or there's something going on.

But anyway, I appreciate your conversation about the chase thing.

That's one of the most important aspects of having the availability of these cops because we can't do the chase.

Um they they can cover a broad spectrum of territory of somebody's kidnapped, or we got an amber alert, they can follow.

They all drawbacks with the expenses that is involved with it.

But we have cities like Los Angeles, San Diego, San Jose, Sacramento, Stockton, Pasadena, and other cities that have invested in this.

And it does have a service quality service that exists.

It's expensive though.

And from my perspective, if we can keep it, I would like to keep it.

Thank you for your comments, Ms.

Olabala.

Switching to Zoom user Blair, you can unmute yourself.

Hi, Blair Beacon.

We're talking about important policies with future helicopters uh for this item.

I really hope uh, you know, City of Oakland, City Council and OPD really take the time and care to want to better explain to the public what exactly is going on with the current contract process.

You guys are keeping that really really fuzzy.

Please try to practice how to be accessible with the public on the subject and accountable.

Um this item is um so so.

I I can it's my personal feeling that um helicopters can be a bit more flexible than fixed wing aircraft, but I don't know the full story.

It sounds like fixed wicking fixed wing has been slowly developing here in Oakland for a while where I haven't fully understood it yet.

And so I'm just starting to, but um, I hope we can uh respect the maneuverability and flexibility that helicopters can offer.

Um thank you for your comments, chair that concludes all speakers on this item.

Yeah, go ahead, Councilmember Houston.

I just want to thank the officers for coming in and sharing with them that is nothing wrong with enjoying your job.

Nothing wrong with that, sir.

And I do support the um the pursuit and the chase policy because it has been effective.

Thank you.

Okay, great.

Let's move to the vote.

Thank you.

We have a motion made by Councilmember Five, second by Council Member Houston to approve the recording before we move.

Councilmember Fife, do you have a comment or question on this item?

I just need to extend the meeting.

Ah, okay.

Make a motion to extend the meeting.

Don't we have to?

After nine.

What time?

Okay.

Sounds like we don't have to do it until 9 p.m.

Nine.

Okay.

I'll make it for nine because we're gonna be here till nine.

I'm kidding.

Let's take the vote.

Thank you.

We have a motion made by Council Member Five, second by Council Member Houston to approve the recommendations of staff and support this item to the July 21st City Council agenda on royal council members Brown.

Aye.

Five.

All right, Houston.

All right.

And Chair Wong.

Aye.

Thank you.

Motion passes before I support this item to the July 21st City Council agenda on consent.

Item eight was already dispensed with.

Now reading in item number nine.

Adopt a resolution authorizing the city administrator to enter into a memorandum of understanding with the California Highway Patrol to submit vehicle accident reports electronically pursuant to vehicle code section two zero zero zero eight.

And there are three speakers on this item.

Somebody much taller than me was up here.

Good evening, council members and members of the public.

My name's Lisa Osmus.

I'm the deputy chief for the Bureau of Risk Management.

And tonight I'm presenting to you and requesting counsel to enter into a memorandum of understanding with CHP regarding our collision data.

So I'm not sure how many of you are where everybody understands where we're at with our record management system.

We are doing an upgrade to our record management system, long overdue.

At least my career of 26 plus years, we've had the same system.

So now we're upgrading to Mark 43, which will be the overseer of our record management system.

And in doing that, we're gonna have crash data, which is a piece of their Mark 43's program.

What this is going to allow us to do with this memorandum of understanding is right now, currently, we literally have a person that makes photocopies of each and every one of our collision reports, puts it in an envelope, puts a stamp on it, and puts it in the mail.

Right.

This will now allow us to send this data electronically.

So as soon as the report is approved by the investigators and any uh sites, citations that are issued from the collision that all gets put in, it literally gets sent to the system and it's electronically sent to CHP.

This is important because this is where DOT gets all of their information through switters, which is the statewide integration traffic reporting system, right?

So this is where we get our high injury network data.

This is where we draw from what intersections are the most dangerous, what can we do to make them better?

How do we slow them down?

So this is just absolutely it's no cost, there's no cost involved of this.

It literally just takes our handwritten reports, makes them digital, and we get to send them to CHP.

So it'll save us a lot of labor hours so that they can do other things within traffic and catch up.

So I can try and answer I have a technical advisor that'll help me with any technical programming.

Officer Dave Poland, who's helping with that, but that's basically it.

I'm trying to make it fast, so I did it as quickly as I could.

Great.

And is this actually there was some reporting earlier this year on you know, an excessive amount of overtime.

Was it connected to actually the collision reports that were uh this is actually meant to solve for?

It will help.

It won't solve all of it, but it will help.

The actual investigation takes the man hours to actually go through and figure out what caused the collision, who cited, what was the problem, right?

So that part not gonna help as much, but it does help with then taking it and processing it and then getting it to the systems that will give all the information.

Sorry, to give all the information a little bit better.

So it will definitely help with that because then that person can maybe start helping with some of the other parts in traffic with some of the grants and some of the other things that are going on.

So it'll save many, many hours per day.

Great.

Um, and then one other question I just have is as we look to civilianize certain positions.

Is it required by law?

It says that um OPD is required to submit collision data to the CHP by law, and then it references um California Vehicle Quote Code, excuse me, 2008A.

Does it require a law enforcement agency to do those submittals, or is it possible to have um the Department of Transportation at some future date um take on a portion of this work?

I'm not sure if the DOT could do it, but we have uh professional staff that does it right now.

So they're the ones that actually make physical copies and send it up.

So that part's already done.

Um but it does require a sworn officer to investigate it and issue the citation.

So that's where that part comes in.

Okay, that's helpful clarification.

Thank you.

Okay.

Let's go to public comment.

Calling in the names that signed up to speak on item number nine, Jesse Rosemore, Missisada Olabala, and Blair Beakman.

Hi, Jesse Rosemore.

Um, you brought up the overtime fraud issue.

Uh it's a good one.

Why don't they electron why don't they do an electronic thing for timesheets?

They totally could.

They don't want to.

Why don't you demand that they do it and make them come with a proposal to submit their timesheets electronic electronically, so we don't have massive overtime fraud by this department.

When is that gonna happen?

Um council member Wang he said as we look to civilianize certain positions, as I mentioned at the beginning of this meeting, the longest item that has been on the on the pending no date scheduled list is council member Fife's item to demand that we civilianize these positions.

Why don't you schedule it?

It'll save millions and millions of dollars, and we can see with this council refusing to do it that you guys are in the pockets of OPOA, Piedmont landlords, and all kinds of other right-wing actors.

We have one council member serving the city of Oakland and seven frauds.

Um the staff report lies about ALPR adherence to SB34 and admits that this data is going to so uh it mentions in the report once you submit the data related to the collisions, you have to strip the report of the name, address, social security number, driver's license number.

What are you submitting?

I mean, come on, y'all.

What are you submitting to CHP?

A picture of the car.

I I don't get this sanctuary city stuff, this privacy stuff.

You can't submit any information.

But you got these telephones and this uh this equipment that y'all use, and everybody knows your business.

So privacy.

Come on, y'all.

Uh what are you submitting?

Switching to Zoom user Blair, you can unmute yourself and begin your comment.

Hi, as this is an item with CHP.

Uh I feel it's important, uh, it can be an important time to simply remind that uh CHP has a large part in uh the current Flock situation with OPD and why that contract is or is not being signed at this time.

Really good luck on working on accountability and explaining that to the public uh before the upcoming uh OPD meeting now in September or October on these items.

Uh for this item, um yeah, hopefully it can help uh with efficiency, but what is that efficiency gonna help with overall?

Um good luck how we our our policies can be clear with each other and that we want to practice well.

Thanks.

Thank you for your comments, Chair.

That concludes all speakers on this item.

Do I have a motion from this body?

So moved.

Second.

Thank you.

We have a motion made by Councilmember Brown, seconded by Councilmember Fly to approve the recommendations of staff and support this item to the July 21st.

City Council agenda on role, Council Members Brown.

Aye.

Bye.

All right, Houston.

Aye and Chair Wong.

Aye.

Thank you.

Motion passes with for I support this item to the July 21st, City Council agenda on consent.

Moving on to open forum.

We have sorry, clerk.

Before we move on to open forum, um, I am making a request of the parliamentarian.

Um, can you recap what the amended title is for uh item eight?

This was at the city administration's request.

Absolutely, through the chair.

Just clarifying for item eight.

The motion title was to delete the ALPR reference from the original resolution.

So that was the subpart A being stricken, and to delete the reference to the attachment E, which was the ALPR report, which is contained in the uh resolution at the first resolved provision.

So those items would be stricken.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Moving, oh sorry.

Moving on to open forum, calling in the names that signed up to speak.

Madeline Stacy, Nita B, Jesse Rosemore, Joyus Morale, Aeris Don, Asada Olavala, Blair Beekman, and Selika Thomas.

Hi, Jesse Rosemore.

Um, you know, when we consider the corruption and feckless malfeasance of the city council, um, I wonder about uh some of the council members who didn't uh uh campaign on being in the pockets of Samsinger and uh the OPOA and Piedmont landlords and like a body of Chamber of Count of uh Commerces and uh I think specifically about you, Rowena Brown.

Um, you know, I've been gaslit by several people on the city council when it's when it comes to flock.

I've been gaslit by Charlene Wong's office, uh I've been gas-lit by Zach Unger.

Janani Ramachandran doesn't want to respond to anything.

Your office is completely unresponsive now.

You say that you serve everybody, you seem to serve nobody, and what I would like to know, when did when did you turn to become this kind of council member?

When did this happen?

Who said what to you to make you serve those interests instead of the people of the city?

I would like to know that.

Thank you.

You're not showing people.

My name is Nita B.

I've been a street vendor here in Oakland since I was 19 years old.

Um what we've seen over the past two and a half months.

Um, the city's treatment of unho of uh unhoused wrong meeting.

This means treatment of um street vendors has been unsafe.

Uh the city needs to stop all raise on street vendors and do a serious legal review of Oakland's enforcement pop practices, and the vendors and their advocates have collected enough factual support to let you know that investigation, whether Oakland exceeded its legal authority or deprived vendors of its property without adequate processes due.

Um both permitted and unpermitted vendors have been impacted.

Our legal representative requested documents, he was ignored, he requested them again, he was ignored, I requested them, my request was redirected, no documents were given.

And either way, either the documents don't exist, which is a problem and unsafe, or the documents are being withheld.

And then um, what's also unsafe is that my daughter got free.

Joyus Morale, I wanted to talk about a few things.

One, I don't support the flock cameras, and two, y'all are talking about public safety, but never have I ever heard y'all talk about a bunker that we can go to in case of any type of like people are saying the tsunami's gonna happen or something like that.

So I feel like that's something y'all should put of like where do we go if our city is destroyed?

Are we on our own?

Uh the rich and historic street vending culture and neighborhood-based economic system within the Oakland community should not be criminalized or erased.

It is part of the Oakland identity and should be protected and supported.

This is a quality of life for working class and black and brown folks now because all of us have multiple jobs and side hustles to be able to exist in the city we were born in and raised in.

Our culture and quality of life keeps getting negatively impacted by and for people who are not from here and can't figure out how to fit in.

There has been talk about the trash and loud noise at the lake.

We vendors all agree, and we have asked the city for cardboard trash can.

Hi, Air Storm.

Uh Councilmember Wong, Councilmember Brown, Councilmember Fife, and Councilmember Houston.

Uh I sincerely hope that you consider what it means for a community to be safe.

Does it make a community safe if we have cameras at every corner?

Does it make a community safe if we have multiple helicopters above our heads?

Does it feel safe to have men with arms and weapons on constantly patrolling every street corner, whether it is ice or Oakland PD.

I do not believe that it's safety.

Safety starts with community, safety starts with housing, safety starts with health care, and it starts here in this committee, but you consistently tonight have shown that you will neglect the safety of Oakland citizens, of the people of this town, because you do not care for the safety of the residents of Oakland.

And multiple of you have ignored multiple public comments tonight.

Madeline Stacy, I'm opposed to the recent direction the city has taken against our street vendors.

It is violent gatekeeping.

The courts have already decided over and over again across California, your approach is a violation of street vendors' constitutional rights.

The state government recently passed the Safe Sidewalk Vending Act, SB 946, which decriminalized street vending statewide, shifting enforcement away from criminal penalties.

What the town is doing is in direct violation of both the series of lawsuits decided with street vendor rights and SB 946.

Every dollar spent policing vendors should be redirected into small business grants, equipment subsidies, and technical assistant assistance programs.

Street vendors are entrepreneurs and masters of making something out of nothing.

Their skill shed should be recognized, respected, and honored, not criminalized.

Street vending is not just about food or commerce, it's about dignity, it's about who gets to exist in public spaces.

To criminalize or overregulate this ecosystem is not just bad policy, is betrayal of Oakland's identity.

Hello, City Council.

My name is Salika Thomas, and I would like to address the three murders by gun violence on January 3rd, 2026 on 85th Avenue, and another three murders plus five five victims injured on 85th Avenue by a hit and run on May 16, 2026.

I first say my condolences to the families and to the victims.

85th Avenue has always been known for its tragic traffic collisions and crime.

So can we please ask speed cameras, speak bumps, and a redesign to slow down traffic in that area to reduce crime.

And may we also please reinstate the Blitz program for automatic trash cleanup in that area and for all of Oakland hot spots so that we don't have to wait on anyone to report it.

Thank you.

And I just want to say that all of you are doing a very good job in Oakland has come so far, even with the murders.

We are down from about 130 murders per year, and we're down to 57.

And so this is one thing I know because I'm here all the time.

And makes contributions that are valid, and sometimes we go at it, sister, but you my sister.

So I'm staying in here wanting to talk about something else, but I have to defend you.

You are very efficient, just like Miss Fife, we fall out all the time.

But you my sister.

And anybody say you don't do work, you do.

Just like Ken Houston, you do the work.

Even Miss Wong, you do the work.

You know we fall out all the time.

But I respect that you do the work.

It might not be the work I want, but you working.

So don't nobody come in here and tell you who you what are you doing.

She's doing hard work, Miss Brown.

And thank you.

All of you.

Okay.

So we're gonna fight some more.

Y'all go call the police on.

Thank you for your comments, Ms.

Olabala, switching to Zoom speaker Blair.

You can unmute yourself and begin your comment.

All right.

Thanks for the meeting today.

Um I'm pretty disappointed, however.

I'm thankful.

Uh the new police chief sounds pretty interesting.

He's been around Oakland for a while.

He can uh he knows the importance of community and participation of community.

And um that's good for ourselves.

I'm I'm getting a sense that city administration is understanding that concept as well at this time, and for as much as they want to practice their their form of policy making, they're understanding the the community's role and what they've developed for police oversight and other things.

I think that's starting to happen more.

Good luck, we can talk more about walk accountability, and that we can talk about the concepts of um not just uh better accountability with flock, what what's exactly happened with their contract things, but we start to really address the concepts of of uh more strategic placement of our tech that can reduce tech each year small in small amounts, and that can uh thank you for your comments, Chair.

That concludes all speakers.

Great, Councilmember Fife.

I thank you, um uh Chair Wong for allowing me the privilege to just clarify for some of the public speakers about my contribution to community in Oakland, and I'll be brief, because I don't talk about what I do.

I am not a social media uh Maven where I am always in the public sharing what I do, and the part of the reasons why I don't talk about it is because the conditions that I want to see change in the community are not solved yet.

So I don't go out and celebrate the fact that I've been a part of a study groups, political study groups to provide political education to the community or safe houses when there are incidents with Nazis and um other issues in our community where my people have had to go into hiding because of being doxxed for the work we do in community or the birthing centers or the medical training or the um independent schools, or I I could talk about the things that I've done in this city that most of you all had haven't even thought of to support my communities.

So before the public gets up here and talks about what I'm not doing or what anybody's not doing, I suggest more research.

I don't disagree with the the public being able to state what they want to want to say or what they want to see, but I take it personally when somebody comes up here talking about what I'm not doing in the community, and that's how I heard you, my friend.

So everyone has the right to point out the criticisms or the critiques or the challenges, but what I'm saying when it comes to council member Fife is I was an organizer in the streets of West Oakland for almost 30 years before I got here, which is what put me here.

So check my record before you come up here talking about me, because I I got it from the mud and I will continue to do what I need to do.

And for my people, for black people in Oakland, we gotta do both and we can't talk about the utopia that we want to see if we haven't created the systems for that in the community today.

And I'm very well aware of what is needed, about what is is studied, what is researched, and what we need to keep people safe.

But the difference between me and most people, especially people who are just talking and meetings, is I put the work in.

And I never this is the first time I ever have talked at length about I, but sometimes y'all come up here and get it twisted.

I have like we have my collective, we're about that shit, and y'all should know that.

Thank you.

Of course, councilmember Houston.

Yeah, I just wanted to just say, I'm glad Councilmember Fife said what she said.

Um, because I like to say just a few things about just on the strength that um only people can tell me that I'm doing wrong is District 7.

If they ain't from District Seven, I don't give a rip what they say.

But the reason why I said I'm I'm saying this is because um council member Brown, that's my girl, right?

I mean, she guides me through, she's doing a lot, she's across the city, and I'll stand up for her any day of the week.

So Councilmember Brown, you're doing a good job, keep it up.

And if you ain't from District Seven, you know where you you know what I feel.

All right, thank you, colleagues.

I think with that this meeting is adjourned.