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Payson Town Council Regular Meeting - February 12, 2025

Town Council & Planning and ZoningWednesday, February 12, 2025
BodyPayson, Arizona
SessionTown Council & Planning and Zoning
DateWednesday, February 12, 2025
StatusFILED
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Transcript — Verbatim
5:00

I call this meeting of the common council for the town of Payson for order.

5:06

February 12th, 2025.

5:10

We'll call for the invocation.

5:12

Pastor Carl Saratsky.

5:15

Yep.

5:15

Okay.

5:16

Please.

5:17

Thank you for this opportunity.

5:21

Almighty and loving God.

5:24

We lift before you all who govern this town of Payson.

5:28

Bless these officials of our community who are not only leaders but also servants as they faithfully attend to all of the residents of Payson.

5:37

Bless them as they work in a spirit of wisdom, fairness, charity, and justice.

5:43

Grant in your mercy a just and honest government, and give us the grace to live together in unity and peace.

5:50

Through Jesus Christ our Lord.

5:53

Amen.

5:57

And the pledge.

7:02

Oh we have two representatives here.

7:05

Well, we need them.

7:07

They're very Macy and Carol, we need you.

7:10

So all right.

7:12

Do you want to come forward?

7:13

You want to wait till you're going to be able to do while we wait.

7:16

Should we all right?

7:18

Uh should we do an open something?

7:24

Miss Mr.

7:25

Mayor, if I might.

7:26

The other item is the consent agenda.

7:28

There may be folks that are here for that.

7:30

Um, if the goal is just to clear up some seats so everybody can get a seat in the chambers.

7:34

Um, there may be some freed up after that item.

7:37

So as an alternative.

7:42

Well you turn up the cloud.

7:45

You can't hear that.

7:49

Oh, maybe move your.

7:51

I do that all the time.

7:52

We're we can't we have to be sideways.

7:55

We have to be okay.

7:57

Okay, let's let's move to the consent agenda and let the rest of your team get here from five guys, and uh I'd like everybody to be present for the for the proclamation reading.

8:12

The consent agenda includes items that are routine, procedural, informational, self-explanatory, and non-controversial.

8:23

Tonight there's four items listed on the consent agenda.

8:27

And that's for a motion to approve a motion and a second for the consent agenda.

8:35

I'll do a motion.

8:55

He's on Zoom.

8:56

Oh, Jim, are you on Zoom?

8:58

Could you give us your vote, please?

9:07

Councilman Ferris, you there?

9:09

Oh, okay.

9:10

Yeah.

9:13

Yeah.

9:14

I I pushed yes.

9:17

Okay.

9:18

All right.

9:19

Thank you.

9:29

Where would you like to go while we wait?

9:31

Back to roll call.

9:32

Oh, roll call would be good.

9:34

I'm sorry.

9:34

Oh, that's okay.

9:35

I'll let the record show that all council members are present.

9:38

Council member Ferris is on Zoom.

Discussion Breakdown — Share of Meeting
Government Efficiency███████████11%
Public Engagement██████████10%
Personnel Matters██████████10%
Investment Strategy██████████10%
Homelessness██████████10%
Capital Improvement████████8%
Public Safety████████8%
Procurement██████6%
Wildfire Prevention█████5%
Summary of Proceedings

Payson Town Council Regular Meeting - February 12, 2025

The Payson Town Council held its regular meeting on February 12, 2025, at 4:05 p.m. in the Town Hall Council Chambers. The meeting lasted until approximately 8:30 p.m. and covered a wide range of topics including consent agenda approvals, a proclamation for Teen Dating Violence Awareness Month, a presentation on the Local Government Investment Pool (LGIP), discussions on a process improvement committee, adoption of 2025 legislative priorities, a public hearing on urban camping ordinance, and updates on the town manager recruitment process. The council also heard extensive public comment on various issues.

Consent Calendar

  • Approved the minutes of the January 8, 2025 regular meeting unanimously (7-0).
  • Approved Resolution No. 3432 for the annexation of 702 E. Bobb Street into the Green Valley Water service area.
  • Approved awarding the Project Management and Construction Management contract for Hillcrest Tank #2 to GHD, Inc. for a not-to-exceed price of $314,975.00.
  • Approved the Final Plat and Agreement to Construct Subdivision Improvements for Timber Ridge Phase 1 subdivision.

Public Comments & Testimony

  • Charlie Seraphin urged the council to change how Payson is run, citing lack of council authority, high legal costs, and questioned the use of emergency clauses.
  • Michael Heather presented a PowerPoint update on Taylor Pool, alleging staff lied about its condition and urging the council to take back power.
  • Brook Myers criticized the town's use of consultants, lack of competitive bids, and compared the situation to federal waste; called for a "Department of Payson Efficiency."
  • Shirley Dye provided a history of the Firewise Committee and expressed concerns about the wildfire protection plan.
  • Robert Decker expressed concerns about wildfire risk and home insurance, requesting a publicly accessible evacuation plan.
  • Tom Thompson urged renewal of the contract with Payson Hangar One LLC and requested that current lessees be honored.
  • Janice Chesser invited the council and community to the Senior Center's 40th anniversary events.
  • Timothy Coyne asked about testing water supply for firefighting and noted an interaction with the fire chief.
  • Barbara Buntin called for greater transparency and access to documents.
  • Guy Pfister stressed that citizens come first and expressed concerns that the council lacks power; stated roads are in disrepair.
  • Thomas Michael Dugan complained about relocation of neighborhood mailboxes to a distant cluster without notice, citing ADA compliance as a pretext.
  • Nina Grabiel questioned transparency and urged the council to work for the people, not in closed meetings.
  • Tom Dunning supported town staff and defended the council and staff against criticism.
  • Michael Hill reported a speeding truck that crashed into a home on East Bonita Street and requested traffic calming measures.
  • Thomas West opposed new lease stipulations for airport hangars, asking for multiple names on leases and allowance for LLCs.
  • Mike White echoed concerns about hangar lease policies and requested the council set policy for shared hangars and LLC leases.
  • Mike Quinn commended town staff for excellent service.
  • Frank Reagan cautioned against using the past against the current council, urged listening to citizens, and recommended appointing Sheila DeSchaaf as town manager.
  • Judy Hansen did not trust what is being told to the council; criticized the vetting of former Town Manager Troy Smith and called for Sheila DeSchaaf to be fired.
  • Skylar Bryce warmed center director, described services and urged collaboration rather than punishment.
  • Emily Bryce shared personal experiences with homelessness and trauma, urged community collaboration to help the homeless.
  • Edward Padilla discussed a bill (HB2393) to fund a new homeless center with temporary, transitional, and permanent housing.
  • Paul Edwards suggested postponing the urban camping ordinance until a plan for safe sleeping locations is developed.

Discussion Items

F.1 Resolution No. 3430 - Process Improvement Recommendation Committee

  • The council discussed the need for a committee to review town processes and professional services contracting. Several council members felt the council itself should act as the "complaint committee." There was extensive discussion about council policy, especially Chapter 10 regarding staff contact. The council ultimately did not act on the resolution, effectively killing it. It was agreed to discuss council policy clarification at a future meeting.

F.2 Resolution No. 3433 - 2025 Legislative Priorities

  • Management Analyst Hannah Lusk presented the legislative priorities recommended by the League of Arizona Cities and Towns. Fire Chief Dave Staub highlighted HB2400, which would earmark $5 million for Payson fire mitigation. The council unanimously approved the resolution (7-0), authorizing staff to advocate on behalf of the town.

F.3 Ordinance No. 968 - Urban Camping Ordinance (Second Public Hearing)

  • Town Attorney Aaron Arnson explained that the ordinance updates urban camping prohibitions following the U.S. Supreme Court's Grants Pass decision, which overturned the Martin v. Boise precedent. The council heard from the public, including representatives of the Warming Center who advocated for a collaborative approach. After discussion, the council voted 7-0 to approve the ordinance, emphasizing that police would continue to lead with services first.

H.1 Procurement Policy Update

  • The council discussed a proposed amendment to require council approval for any procurement over $100,000, even if included in the budget. Some council members argued for oversight of capital improvement projects, while others felt recurring purchases should be handled via consent agenda. After lengthy debate, the item was tabled pending a review of the current Schedule B list. Direction was given for staff to provide the list to the council before the tentative budget.

H.2 Town Manager Vacancy Recruitment Process

  • HR Director Lynne ODonnell presented an updated recruitment brochure. The council provided direction on qualifications: a bachelor's degree should be required but with flexibility for equivalent experience; experience requirements should include language like "or an organization of comparable complexity" to allow corporate experience. On compensation, the council agreed to advertise a hiring range from the base ($158,000) to the midpoint ($197,000), rather than the full range. The recruitment is expected to open in mid-to-late February, with interviews in April/May and a target start date in June.

Key Outcomes

  • Consent agenda approved (7-0).
  • Resolution 3430 (Process Improvement Committee): No action taken; effectively defeated.
  • Resolution 3433 (Legislative Priorities) approved (7-0).
  • Ordinance 968 (Urban Camping) approved (7-0) following a second public hearing.
  • Procurement Policy update tabled; staff to provide Schedule B list before tentative budget.
  • Town Manager recruitment process refined: brochure to use a hiring range (base to midpoint), education requirement flexible, experience includes "comparable complexity." Recruitment to begin shortly.
  • Council policy discussion on Chapter 10 and staff contact to be agendized for a regular meeting or work session.
  • Airport hangar lease policies to be addressed in a March agenda item.

Meeting Transcript

I call this meeting of the common council for the town of Payson for order. February 12th, 2025. We'll call for the invocation. Pastor Carl Saratsky. Yep. Okay. Please. Thank you for this opportunity. Almighty and loving God. We lift before you all who govern this town of Payson. Bless these officials of our community who are not only leaders but also servants as they faithfully attend to all of the residents of Payson. Bless them as they work in a spirit of wisdom, fairness, charity, and justice. Grant in your mercy a just and honest government, and give us the grace to live together in unity and peace. Through Jesus Christ our Lord. Amen. And the pledge. Oh we have two representatives here. Well, we need them. They're very Macy and Carol, we need you. So all right. Do you want to come forward? You want to wait till you're going to be able to do while we wait. Should we all right? Uh should we do an open something? Miss Mr. Mayor, if I might. The other item is the consent agenda. There may be folks that are here for that. Um, if the goal is just to clear up some seats so everybody can get a seat in the chambers. Um, there may be some freed up after that item. So as an alternative. Well you turn up the cloud. You can't hear that. Oh, maybe move your. I do that all the time. We're we can't we have to be sideways. We have to be okay. Okay, let's let's move to the consent agenda and let the rest of your team get here from five guys, and uh I'd like everybody to be present for the for the proclamation reading. The consent agenda includes items that are routine, procedural, informational, self-explanatory, and non-controversial. Tonight there's four items listed on the consent agenda. And that's for a motion to approve a motion and a second for the consent agenda. I'll do a motion. He's on Zoom. Oh, Jim, are you on Zoom? Could you give us your vote, please? Councilman Ferris, you there? Oh, okay. Yeah. Yeah. I I pushed yes.

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