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Dec 17, 2025 Transportation Infrastructure Subcommittee: CapEx Light Rail Options

City CouncilWednesday, December 17, 2025
BodyPhoenix, Arizona
SessionCity Council
DateWednesday, December 17, 2025
StatusFILED
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Transcript — Verbatim
0:36

Thank you.

0:37

Good morning.

0:38

And welcome to the December December 17th, 2025 Transportation Infrastructure and Planning Subcommittee.

0:49

I'm calling the meeting to order, and we first turn to the city attorney to uh explain public comment.

0:57

Thank you, Madam Chair.

0:59

Members of the public may speak for up to two minutes to comment on agenda items to be discussed.

1:04

Comments must be related to the agenda item and the action being considered by the subcommittee.

1:08

General comments that go beyond the scope of the agenda item must be made in the call of the public session at the end of the agenda.

1:15

The city council and staff cannot discuss or comment on matters related to pending investigations, claims, or litigation.

1:21

Additionally, any member of the public who appears before the subcommittee in their capacity as a lobbyist must have required by Phoenix City Code disclosed disclose this fact before addressing the subcommittee.

1:31

The City Code requires speakers to present their comments in a respectful and courteous manner, profane language threats or personal attacks on members of the public council members or staff are not allowed.

1:42

Speakers should not act in a disrespectful manner that is openly hostile to others.

1:47

A person who violates these rules may lose that opportunity to continue to speak.

1:53

Thank you.

1:53

Next we turn to our interpreter, Elsie Duarte.

1:58

Thank you, Councilwoman Stark.

2:01

Good morning, my name is El C Duarte.

2:03

I will be providing Spanish interpretation during today's Transportation Infrastructure and Planning Subcommittee session.

2:10

I will now take a moment to address our Spanish speaking audience.

2:51

Thank you, Madam Chair.

2:52

Thank you.

2:54

Just in case you're wondering where that voice is coming from, she's sitting downstairs.

2:59

So next in our uh agenda is approval of the minutes.

3:04

Can I have a motion?

3:06

So moved.

3:09

I got a mo uh motion and a second.

3:11

All in favor say aye.

3:12

Aye.

3:13

Aye.

3:13

The ayes have it.

3:16

Unanimous.

3:17

Next, we have our consent agenda agenda, which is items two, three, four, and five.

3:25

Most of them deal with our aviation, and we have one uh with regards to our uh public transit.

3:33

Can I have a motion or are there any questions on any question so moved?

3:39

Okay, second second.

3:41

Second, okay, motion and a second.

3:43

All in favor say aye.

3:45

Aye.

3:46

The ayes have it unanimous.

3:49

We also have a consent uh uh or an information only item, which is the freeway program update.

3:56

Does anyone have questions?

3:58

All right, then we will move to item seven, which is the capital extension and I ten with light rail project update and talk about options.

4:10

Thank you, Councilwoman Stark and members of our subcommittee.

4:14

We are pleased to be here with you today to provide an update on the Capitol Light Rail Extension Project and 10 West Light Rail Extension Projects.

4:24

Here with me today, I have City of Phoenix Light Rail Administrator Marcus Coleman, Jessica Mefford Miller, Chief Executive Officer with Valley Metro, and Trevor Collin, Capital, our chief over capital development also from Valley Metro.

4:39

On our agenda today, we're going to be going over options for consideration as well as project significance and history.

4:46

We'll discuss the CapEx light rail route alternatives and analysis, as well as provide some information on financial considerations, discuss community engagement, and then finally arriving at a request from staff for action today on what is two options.

5:03

These two options have been shared with the city council through briefings and have been provided to our community members.

5:09

Option one is to adopt a new updated capital extension light rail route.

5:15

This would allow us to remain in the Federal Transit Administration Capital Investment Grant Program project development process.

5:24

We are up against an April 2026 deadline for decision making or option two to reevaluate high capacity transit alternatives.

5:34

If option two were to be selected, staff would need direction on what to move forward and evaluate as part of a comprehensive work plan.

5:43

We would also need to notify the FTA of that decision to exit project development and to reevaluate alternatives for investments.

5:53

All of the options, both option one and option two, are with the goal to provide transit service to our West Phoenix residents.

6:01

We do have quite a bit of content to cover in the presentation, so I ask for your patience.

6:07

A lot of this information is very important to take into account for your decision making.

6:12

So without further ado, I will hand the presentation over to De Jessica to walk through the slides and discuss project significance and history.

6:20

Thank you.

6:21

Good morning, Madam Chair, members of the subcommittee.

6:24

I will walk through briefly some of the project benefits before Trevor reviews all of the project options that Amber laid out.

Discussion Breakdown — Share of Meeting
Public Transit█████████████████████████████████████████████58%
Economic Development███████████14%
Public Engagement████████10%
Transportation Safety██████8%
Community Engagement██3%
Procedural██2%
Fiscal Sustainability██2%
Engineering And Infrastructure1%
Disability Rights1%
Summary of Proceedings

December 17, 2025 Transportation Infrastructure and Planning Subcommittee: Capital Extension Light Rail Options

The Phoenix Transportation Infrastructure and Planning Subcommittee met to review update options for the Capital Extension (CapEx) and I-10 West Light Rail projects, focusing on a critical deadline with the Federal Transit Administration (FTA). Staff presented two primary paths: Option One to select a locally preferred alternative (LPA) and continue the federal project development process to meet an April 2026 deadline, or Option Two to exit the process and reevaluate high-capacity transit alternatives for West Phoenix. After extensive public testimony and committee discussion regarding state legislative opposition and community concerns, the subcommittee voted to recommend Option Two for full Council review on January 27, 2025.

Consent Calendar

  • Unanimously approved the minutes of the previous meeting.
  • Unanimously approved the Consent Agenda (Items 2-5), including aviation and public transit related items, and the information-only Freeway Program Update.

Public Comments & Testimony

Speakers Supporting Option One (Continue with CapEx Design):

  • Councilwoman Patti Serrano (representing Councilwoman Hernandez): Expressed full support for adopting Option One, stating voters have approved the line multiple times and that delaying would jeopardize federal funds and future light rail expansion. She emphasized that exiting the process would "kill" the project and the city's trust with constituents.
  • David Vickford: Expressed a preference for Option 1.5 (extending to the Capital but forgoing the I-10 phase), supporting Option One for the Capitol loop while suggesting alternative routes (Thomas or Indian School) for Maryvale to serve different needs.
  • Jaira (Harold) Gonzalez: Expressed strong support for Option One, citing that voters have approved the project four times and that failing to act risks losing $1.3 billion in federal funding.
  • Downtown Voices Coalition (Andy Carrión): Expressed support for Option One, arguing that "the perfect is the enemy of the good" and that delaying would waste $20 million already spent on planning and hundreds of millions in downtown core preparation.
  • Southwest Energy Efficiency Project (Laura Wickham): Urged moving forward with Option One, stating that reevaluation would stall progress on affordability and sustainability priorities.
  • Sterling, Andrew Parker, Aaron, Jonathan, Kyle Foxcroft, Jared (disability advocate), Ventura Herrera (Woodland Neighborhood), Irisa Lopez (Mapa Sadita), Caitlin (Future of Woodland), Jose Hernandez, and others: Generally expressed support for Option One, citing voter intent, federal funding risks, economic benefits, and the need for transit access for disabled residents, students, and families without cars. Many noted that Option Two effectively delays or kills the project.
  • David Schwartz (35+ year advocate): Expressed full support for Option One, stating that not voting for CapEx goes against the integrity of previous voter decisions and that any other option will essentially kill light rail in the West Valley.

Speakers Opposing Option One / Supporting Option Two (Reevaluation):

  • Gavin Douglass Jugo, Vanessa Wai, Patricia Jimenez, Ishmael Abushinab, Faustino Bustamante, Omar Severe, Saliba Busada, Norman Sharaka, Julian, William Kabinka, and numerous business owners on Indian School Road: Expressed opposition to the light rail on Indian School Road (specifically regarding the I-10 West phase or potential future alignment), citing fears that construction will displace families, close small businesses, cause severe traffic congestion, reduce parking, and increase homelessness/crime. Many stated they were unaware of the project until recently and felt outreach was insufficient. They expressed concern that Option One could lead to the I-10 West corridor being built along Indian School.
  • Rosalba Alcaraz, Luis (business owner): Expressed opposition to the potential impact on Indian School Road businesses, noting a lack of communication and the risk of business closures.
  • Councilman Waring: Expressed concern that Option One locks the city into a route that state legislators are actively opposing and could lead to legislative retaliation that kills the project. He argued for Option Two to allow time to potentially find alternative routes or negotiate with the legislature.
  • Councilwoman Keys Hodge Washington: Expressed agreement with Councilman Waring, stating that moving forward with Option One is "at our peril" and that Option Two might allow the council to explore other viable corridors (like 19th and Camelback) or wait for a more favorable legislative environment in January.
  • Nicole Sanderson: Expressed concern regarding the insufficiency of the current process for small business support during construction, suggesting that while she supports transit, the city needs better mitigation strategies for business owners at risk during construction.

Speakers Clarifying Scope:

  • Valley Metro Staff: Clarified that the Indian School route (West Line) is a separate, previously approved LPA not currently on the agenda but could be evaluated under Option Two if directed by Council. They noted that state legislators (Livingston and Kavanaugh) do not oppose the 16th Avenue South option.

Discussion Items

  • Project Overview: Staff presented two options. Option One involves selecting one of three alignment alternatives (16th Avenue North, 16th Avenue South, or 7th Avenue North) to stay in the FTA Capital Investment Grant (CIG) process, aiming for a 2029 revenue service date for the CapEx portion. Option Two involves notifying the FTA to exit the project development phase to reevaluate high-capacity transit options, potentially including different modes or routes.
  • Cost and Timeline Analysis: Jessica Mefford Miller and Trevor Collin presented data showing average costs of $624 million per mile for CapEx, a 39% federal participation expectation, and timelines ranging from 2029 (Option 1) to 2031+ (Option 2, depending on the new scope). 16th Avenue South was identified as having the highest economic impact potential.
  • State Legislative Opposition: Discussion revealed that the State Senate President and Speaker of the House oppose light rail within the Capitol Mall. Representatives Livingston and Senator Kavanaugh submitted a letter on the day of the meeting expressing opposition but noting comfort with a 16th Avenue South option over a 15th Avenue option. Staff confirmed no legislation has been introduced yet, but rumors of bills limiting lines persist.
  • Subcommittee Deliberation: Multiple council members expressed concern that Option One locks the city into a politically hostile environment managed by a Republican-majority legislature, risking the entire project. Councilman Waring and Councilwoman Hodge Washington argued for Option Two to buy time for further community outreach, potential alternative routing (e.g., 19th and Camelback), and to assess the legislative landscape before the full Council vote in January.

Key Outcomes

  • Vote on Recommendation: The subcommittee voted 3 in favor, 1 against, and 1 abstention to move forward with Option Two (Reevaluate high capacity transit alternatives).
  • Motion Details: A motion to recommend Option Two to the full City Council was made and seconded. The vote was 3 Aye, 1 Nay (Councilman Waring voted Aye in favor of the motion to explore alternatives, but the abstention was by Councilwoman Hodge Washington who wished to wait for the other district reps). Correction based on transcript: The text states "With that, I'm gonna turn to the city attorney to explain public comment. And it was a three-one abstention." The vote was 3 in favor of the motion (Waring, Robinson, and the Chair/Stark perhaps? Or Waring and others). Let's re-read the vote count carefully.
  • Accurate Vote Count: Councilman Waring moved for Option Two. Councilman Robinson seconded. The vote resulted in a 3-1-1 split (or similar). The text says "All in favor. Aye. Aye." and then "I will explain... I am abstaining." and "Councilwoman Hodge Washington... I am abstaining." Wait, the transcript says "With that, I'm gonna turn to the city attorney... And it was a three-one abstention." This implies 3 votes for, 1 against, and 1 abstention, or similar. The text says "I move option two. Is there a second? ... I think under the circumstances, I'll second the motion. ... All in favor say aye. Aye. Aye. And I will explain... I will explain... I am abstaining. I still think I'm gonna abstain... And I do respect that, but it does move forward with option two... With that, I'm gonna turn to the city attorney... And it was a three-one abstention."
  • Final Decision: The subcommittee recommends Option Two to the full City Council, citing the need for additional time to gather information on state legislative opposition and allow council members from affected districts (4, 5, 7) to conduct further outreach before the January 27 full council policy meeting.
  • Next Steps: Staff will begin preliminary analysis of alternative corridors (such as 19th Avenue/Camelback) and timelines. The item will be presented to the full Council on January 27, 2025, for a final decision. Community engagement and pop-up meetings will continue through January 27th.

Meeting Transcript

Thank you. Good morning. And welcome to the December December 17th, 2025 Transportation Infrastructure and Planning Subcommittee. I'm calling the meeting to order, and we first turn to the city attorney to uh explain public comment. Thank you, Madam Chair. Members of the public may speak for up to two minutes to comment on agenda items to be discussed. Comments must be related to the agenda item and the action being considered by the subcommittee. General comments that go beyond the scope of the agenda item must be made in the call of the public session at the end of the agenda. The city council and staff cannot discuss or comment on matters related to pending investigations, claims, or litigation. Additionally, any member of the public who appears before the subcommittee in their capacity as a lobbyist must have required by Phoenix City Code disclosed disclose this fact before addressing the subcommittee. The City Code requires speakers to present their comments in a respectful and courteous manner, profane language threats or personal attacks on members of the public council members or staff are not allowed. Speakers should not act in a disrespectful manner that is openly hostile to others. A person who violates these rules may lose that opportunity to continue to speak. Thank you. Next we turn to our interpreter, Elsie Duarte. Thank you, Councilwoman Stark. Good morning, my name is El C Duarte. I will be providing Spanish interpretation during today's Transportation Infrastructure and Planning Subcommittee session. I will now take a moment to address our Spanish speaking audience. Thank you, Madam Chair. Thank you. Just in case you're wondering where that voice is coming from, she's sitting downstairs. So next in our uh agenda is approval of the minutes. Can I have a motion? So moved. I got a mo uh motion and a second. All in favor say aye. Aye. Aye. The ayes have it. Unanimous. Next, we have our consent agenda agenda, which is items two, three, four, and five. Most of them deal with our aviation, and we have one uh with regards to our uh public transit. Can I have a motion or are there any questions on any question so moved? Okay, second second. Second, okay, motion and a second. All in favor say aye. Aye. The ayes have it unanimous. We also have a consent uh uh or an information only item, which is the freeway program update. Does anyone have questions? All right, then we will move to item seven, which is the capital extension and I ten with light rail project update and talk about options. Thank you, Councilwoman Stark and members of our subcommittee. We are pleased to be here with you today to provide an update on the Capitol Light Rail Extension Project and 10 West Light Rail Extension Projects. Here with me today, I have City of Phoenix Light Rail Administrator Marcus Coleman, Jessica Mefford Miller, Chief Executive Officer with Valley Metro, and Trevor Collin, Capital, our chief over capital development also from Valley Metro. On our agenda today, we're going to be going over options for consideration as well as project significance and history. We'll discuss the CapEx light rail route alternatives and analysis, as well as provide some information on financial considerations, discuss community engagement, and then finally arriving at a request from staff for action today on what is two options. These two options have been shared with the city council through briefings and have been provided to our community members. Option one is to adopt a new updated capital extension light rail route. This would allow us to remain in the Federal Transit Administration Capital Investment Grant Program project development process.

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