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Providence Finance Committee Elects Chair and Approves Waste and Water Budgets on Sept 9, 2025

City CouncilTuesday, September 9, 2025
BodyProvidence, Rhode Island
SessionCity Council
DateTuesday, September 9, 2025
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20:52

Welcome to the committee on finance.

21:00

Um before we start, I'd like to just say thank you to uh councilwoman proposed, maybe not councilwoman, council chairperson's role she did as working with her as uh chairperson.

21:17

Um very nice work with her.

21:20

She's always putting everything transitional at the two meetings this year, the last few years, those two hearing meetings.

21:28

And it was a pleasure working with her because she always listened to everybody in the council would actually agree to disagreed and she let me uh say workings.

21:37

So I just want to say if you're watching, um hope you enjoy your requirement and you wouldn't miss.

21:46

Um Ryan present, counselor Angela, present, councilman Grace, present, counselor Sanchez.

21:59

Present.

21:59

Yeah, five seasons, yeah.

22:02

Okay, if we'd like to read number one for innovation on meeting, I'll actually know Chair President.

22:09

I'll entertain a motion to elect the chairperson of the finance committee.

22:14

Uh nominee household uh board chair for the second time.

22:27

Typically you don't need a second for a nomination.

22:30

So if the if I mean uh if the clerk, I mean Robert School doesn't require a second for nominations.

22:41

Okay, are there any other any further nomination?

22:45

No.

22:57

Are there any further nominations?

22:59

Are there any further nominees?

23:02

Are there any further nominations?

23:05

There'd be no further nominations.

23:07

The city clerk is here by a director to a roll call vote.

23:11

Yeah.

23:13

Councilwoman Ryan and Councilwoman Graves, and also before that, is there any discussion.

23:21

Yes.

23:29

That I think there's just too much to anything and stuff going on in the background for everything.

23:38

Um I put my name in the hat because we all know who really should be up the chair, and that's who and that's who Helen had it to follow her for that.

23:52

That's who I want to follow.

23:55

And I think that we have to we have to hold on to our integrity.

24:03

We have to realize that sometimes you're better.

24:11

We need to stop that.

24:13

We either we're gonna do what is really truly on our heart and what is truly right for the community and this committee, then we have to stop all the playing around and all this this backstabbing and all this other stuff.

24:27

It's not right.

24:29

I don't think it's I I really don't think we should be doing it.

24:34

Well, we for a start start coming here to talk about transparency.

24:39

If I had this is not transparent.

24:42

This is this is um, let's let's talk in the in the back room and come back and say whatever.

24:48

I went out this weekend to several places, and everybody told me that had nothing to do with this.

25:02

Oh, you guys voted in Joey and Ryan.

25:06

You hadn't voted in that in nobody.

25:08

That's what's working, and that's why I'm putting my name in the hat.

25:12

I am qualified to be doing it.

25:14

I have served as a numerous boards, committees.

25:18

Um, I've been um in charge of organizations where I did picking all of such things, so I know how to do this, but not only that, we are all veterans now because we have been doing it for over two and a half years.

25:35

So some of the budgets that I had may not have came up to the note that is going through the city, but I have the knowledge, I have the integrity, and I have the strength to do this, and I am speaking for myself, but like I said, I really and truly vote people are not traded in their integrity or a title, they're not trained in their integrity for something that's being whispered in their room in the back in their ears in the background.

26:13

We said we were not going to do this.

26:15

The whole reason that most of us came on supposedly that's new ones was we can stop this, we can stop all this madness.

26:25

There should be there should be no reason for me to be hearing something from other people before we it even comes to this room and to this book.

26:36

So I hope that you spoke to me, and I hope that you follow your heart.

26:43

But if it if you don't, that's fine.

26:45

I've spoken, and I do not want anybody coming to me later saying, Oh, I wish I because then I'm gonna tell you about yourself.

26:54

So that's that's all I have to say, and maybe the best from the morning.

27:00

Any other discussion?

27:02

I I would defer to you know well, I want to just uh appreciate it if you have something right to said and also say the birth to these chairs.

27:11

I want to make sure that this committee has moved to surviving this year.

27:14

So I share uh transparency and open that everybody has an opportunity to speak, and we listen to the comments that come to us from the public, and that we continue to operate in transparent, thorough, and just like a manner that we can feel good about or uh that taking respect for service regarding it unless you continue to operate the way we've been out so just quickly I would prefer when my consent to it if you don't mind.

27:44

Um I've been on the committee for seven years, and I uh mean that what I said about uh councilman Anthony because she uh did things differently.

27:56

Uh which in the beginning I didn't think was going to be working out like the listening, but it did it actually worked out, and um I think when we come to vote for a chairperson, we have to look at um both candidates, obviously, but we have to look who's been here every single day who's been part of the committee been here and look and what are they saying or hinges?

28:20

They were here for budget hearings, they were here for meetings.

28:24

Um if this wasn't like like a baseball game, hey, come on in off the bench because they're gonna be first battle.

28:29

So I think we really need to look at that, and we have to look what said vote with your heart.

28:34

Um, don't let someone tell you who you should vote for because you're here for that reason.

28:39

Um that's a big picture.

28:41

We don't need that.

28:42

I think we should be able to vote who we want to vote for well being told or gonna lose this or that or whatever.

28:50

Um but that's all and I guess all that's it.

28:59

Let's go over the role.

29:02

So we've got councilwoman Ryan, and we got a councilwoman grace.

29:06

So we're gonna do one roll for yeah, each member will say who the voted with chairman taylor, councilwoman grace, councilwoman Ryan Joanne, Councillor Angla, Councilman Ryan, Councilwoman Grace, my son Council Sanchez, uh Councilwoman Ryan.

29:37

Three votes per councilman Ryan and two votes for council for man grace.

29:43

So there being no further nominations.

29:46

The city clerk is here by director to pass one ballot for councilwoman Ryan as terrifying.

29:56

I would pass the gap all.

30:00

raised my sense council sanchez uh councilman roy we have three votes per councilman ryan and two votes for council for man race so there being no further nominations the city clerk is here by directively cast one ballot for councilwoman right as clarifying it i would pass the gamble along yeah it's great thank you for that 15 minutes of pain has the guy said milk it for long there no one that's a hot for you might have another plan but you have um thank you very much um finance committee members i appreciate uh the trust we placed to make i uh assure you i will do the best job at that represent this finance committee the city of the city council and the city of province that being said now third we should plan and read it too in terms of the an ordinance of the city of province of the main the finance they have to have a purchase assembly and distribution of or reimbursement for the purchase of municipal solid base and recycling parts with a city's residential part side solid waste and cycling programs but an issuance of appropriations obligating is therefore in and out to these five million five hundred thousand dollars okay who do we have um is this exhibit may i uh ask that you folks be sworn in the regular you say on the half of the preview the testimony you're about to give is the truth of truth and residents thinking needs for the record and the deputy director of sustainable law space financial city of what's never finance directory about the city by sorry for it and Neil can be those in the problem on council city um ma'am i don't have the exhibits for the substitution path for the meeting if you could be fine with having a season because yeah we'll see and then we use it so wonderful uh first order business does the uh committee ask the uh exhibits that's what we can see that okay uh we have um there's no yeah so we're on item two it's the solid waste recycling i think um i have the list within uh see if this it's an exhibit to item two madam the court please tribute to the team here may i have a motion to enter the exhibit before you as exhibit a two a i have that motion so we're second motion made by council sanchez second that by the council on okay um just please think two then excuse uh i would finally make the presentation on the topic is greatly appreciated good evening madam chair and rain time chairman again so madam chairman uh little backdrop to this evening presentation uh prior to the council going for explorers recess would you speak about that sure you see is found out that the first prior to the council taking its office recess the finance department along the sustainability pm films community discuss an award to re rate which contracted by the manufacturing the city to be solved and waste and while that award was up before the board of contact supply it was voted on a committee but it was held for further information that we're gonna see to determine the financing and the funding associated federal course this is truly a continuation of that process we had one week that evening that we would be back before this committee we had also have them trying to notice recess but with timing and the schedule about council members uh that was not possible this evening we're here to explain that um the uh the problem sustainability has worked uh significantly in a receiving a two million dollar grant award to be used for the purchase of recycling parts it will be purchasing purchasing 125 thousand 62500 that'll be for municipal waste 62500 for recycled these other large uh containers 95 gallon containers and um that reward was as I said has already been done properly vented and it is now pending the finance we are doing business with a social environmental technological uh nonprofit entity known as closed boot bonds closed boot is an entity that extends financing in many cases with low interest or in some cases low interest in order to uh see the municipalities can make a difference with the recycling race if we will

35:00

And um, that award was as I said has already been done properly vetted and it is now pending the finance.

35:06

We are doing business with a social environmental technological uh nonprofit entity known as closed boot bonds.

35:15

Closed boot partners is an entity that extends financing in many cases of low interest, or in some cases low interest in order to uh see the municipalities can make a difference with the recycling rates, if you will, environmental uh group.

35:32

In the immediate case before you we will be borrowing five million one hundred and sixty-eight thousand dollars.

35:39

And the first three million, we just kept my own three million one hundred and seventy seven thousand six ninety-two thirty-one to be borrowed of zero interest for your 60 monthly as a companion loan attackable title, an additional one million nine hundred and eighty-six thousand and fifty-seven dollars or 69 cents will be borrowed at three percent in over 81 payments.

36:06

Taken together, those those two items keep will be 5,163.

36:13

Those bonds will be repaid with a schedule that has been prepared in the packet this evening, and it shows the repayment of those um two loans.

36:23

And just bring my schedule about getting this current fiscal year by the end of the year of June 302, we will be paying 1,750,000 year 271,135,149 cents.

36:46

Similarly, in June 30, 2020, we paid 1,135, 1419, and then the schedule follows for June 30, 2029, and then we payment is 600,000 June 30, 2030, we gainers 379, 32078 cents.

37:04

Following that is June 3031, 178,6508.

37:09

Finally, June 3032, we came at 111,766.

37:16

The total repayments for the entire period is 5,290,000 22.74 cents, thereby resulting at a total interest charge 126,27274 cents, which has the effective interest rate at bottom of one percent one percent, 1.15% of truly a uh significant savings for the city, and the city budget does include the provisions in its debt service line to cover the payment and the F Type funds budget, and we structured so that we can put more debt service repayment from this year, saving us a debt service impact in the total years.

37:57

And you can see that schedule was re approval by those partners to take a higher repayment of the first while we had a lesser minute.

38:06

So there was a schedule attached for the term sheet.

38:09

The term sheet was worked on by our outside council grant from the dozen.

38:13

Um they have reviewed the term sheet.

38:16

Uh, should this committee do conservation this evening and voted on a committee and an ultimate approval by the full council?

38:21

Uh, that will lead to the natural contract.

38:23

I think we have some giving people farmers to say departments and the provisional partners while we expect the focal factor commensurate than the first of November and with the receiving uh this limb attest of the budget location and prof on uh the office of sustainability that can explain the uh process of the reward for the cash cards and also negotiation for the department.

38:49

Thank you very much.

38:51

Mr.

38:52

Brock.

38:53

Uh do you want me to give you an explanation of uh why we are looking to replace the parts for yes, please?

39:02

I understand we are managing the uh the carts distribution and yeah, so uh I was um the person that uh the sustainability partner was the department that um issued the RFP for the cart replacements, um, which again uh went through the normal course of an RFP.

39:22

We selected uh re-rated Pacific, which was which is our current vendor, uh, and uh had a low bid and kind of following bid uh that went to box and was referred to the finance committee, it was approved by the finance committee and approved by the city council at this point.

39:39

So we have an award to re-rank Pacific for the carts.

39:42

Um, but at this point have not entered into a formal formal agreement with them pending the outcome of really this hearing, and the city council is approved for their funds.

39:53

So that's for that stands uh at this point.

40:04

Um have around the you know, details of uh delivery and assembly.

40:10

Uh and I would expect that in winter 26, I guess, or early spring, we will be involved in that price to this.

40:20

So you're responsible for the distribution.

40:23

Re-regulate the contractor is the the manufacturer of the cards also does assembly and distribution, and they take back the old cards and recycle them and provide us a credit for that person.

40:38

Committee members, do you have any questions?

40:41

Question right ahead, that's the heads up.

40:45

Kevin did present on that fill distribution process to his committee previously.

40:49

So that'd be uh resisting.

40:52

No, no, no, have to reset it.

40:54

Yeah, it wouldn't hold.

40:55

Yeah, yeah.

40:57

Uh talk to me about the distribution.

41:00

Oh, I wasn't trying to make him set up for that.

41:02

I was just giving you a heads up if that exists along June, that's what I launched.

41:05

I like to hear it here again.

41:07

Yeah, the distribution is uh managed by the manufacturer.

41:12

Uh the manufacturer can uh turn the carts around fairly quickly.

41:17

Uh they have a lineup distribution teams, which they have um a few that travel kind of nationally to do this, and they hire also uh kind of local contractors to do that.

41:29

So they'll uh distribute the cards on the same day as trash collection.

41:35

So the idea would be that you know the Monday uh group people will put their cards out on Monday.

41:40

Uh the trucks would come by and empty them, and then those empty cards would be, you know, the distribution truck follows the empty parts would be uh disassembled and taken away, and the uh new carts would be assembled and left there for the residence.

41:56

Um each household gets one trash among the cycling uh part.

42:02

Uh so if you are in a single family home, you get one of each.

42:05

If you're in a three-family home, along with the six cards, three of each.

42:08

Um the carts that we are uh going to be ordering are uh 95 gallons, like uh Chief Mancini said.

42:19

Um currently we have a 65 gallon gray trash park, and we have a 95 gallons lean and blue recycling bin.

42:30

Um will be going to a 95 gallon of each, and the reason for that is is that our DPW and waste management have really found that one of the main reasons that we have highly contaminated recycling is because uh uh we're seeing people run out of a room in their smaller trash can, and then when they have an extra trash bag, they kind of throw it the only place that uh is available, uh, which is a recycling.

42:58

And if you get three people doing that on the same route, it contaminates that whole truck and it doesn't go to the uh recycling center, goes to the landfill, and we pay uh to dispose of that wherever it goes to the recycling center is for so in addition to it being uh kind of a loss for sustainability and recycling is also a loss this week budget.

43:16

We pay about two million dollars a year of additional um costs and fees uh because of our for recycling.

43:25

So the real goal here is to uh give people new bins that are not at the end of their life.

43:31

The bins break down pretty frequently right now.

43:33

Um they're all over 10 or 12 years old at least.

43:37

Um we have DPW workers that go around all day every day just kind of repairing and replacing bins.

43:43

So to give people high quality bids again, but also get that site and rate up to uh do a better job of sustainability and does everyone get in the bin regardless of the condition.

43:52

Yes.

43:53

And was any thought given to making the recycle bin smaller?

43:59

The uh recycle bins, the the recycling bins fill up.

44:04

There's there's typically more recycling than there is uh trash.

44:09

Um so I don't think that the issue is that we don't have enough room for our cycling technique.

44:14

That it's just that there's not enough room in the traction.

44:17

Okay.

44:18

Madam committee managed questions possible.

44:22

Yeah, and well, thank you.

44:23

Uh two more questions.

44:24

Um, I think you've had an free as always.

44:27

Um I guess I have two quick questions.

44:30

One is what is the difference between what was in our packets and it was just handed out to us, like what has changed in this.

44:36

So uh by May Manager, yes, please.

44:39

Uh this afternoon of thinking that the submission that was done back in July did not include our executive copy of the search sheet.

44:48

Um I had thought that we had submitted fully with city subject because uh default is still there.

45:00

Then I realized that they had fully got situated with out of polls with Congress, so I want to be sure that that executive property was in your hands as but we might be just even submitted, so that is not a substitution.

45:06

Oh what is added this evening is a summary of the expense of the talks and the summary of the you payment of those are added, uh they are not that they uh they are they're not amended, they are faculty filed soon.

45:20

Chief one other question for the contract.

45:22

Um if we haven't approved this yet, how is it countersigned by both parties?

45:27

So it's we're that's the termship.

45:29

So the terms was vetted by the legal counseling, also listening to different than a bondage or the last four weeks.

45:36

We use the same technique and the same the same practices that are provided by the legal council.

45:40

That is a termship.

45:41

The term sheet states all the conditions that both parties agree to, and based on those terms, they'll make their way for a formal contract that's ruled with the L City.

45:59

What you have before you this evening is what you're voting on and what will be approved.

46:06

Councilman Sanchez.

46:08

Uh thanks, Roman.

46:09

Um, can you just remind us um what is the estimated timeline on the distribution?

46:16

Yeah, uh, so with the uh uh manufacturer says the distribution, it depends on the number of delivery crews that are helpful to them, but they said six to ten weeks.

46:27

Okay.

46:29

It sounds like uh, you know, I'm just sure I'm talking about this internally that uh we're looking, like I said, at more of a late winter, early spring uh rollout, which I think will give the manufacturer more time to make sure that they're equal debt um delivery crews available if we said we want these out by December 1st.

46:49

Uh there may be a limited number of crews available.

46:52

So I'm hopeful that if we're we're moving it out a little bit on the calendar that uh more delivery available, they keep it to that um lower number of fees.

47:03

And I think I did just want to mention something important uh an update since the last time I was here.

47:08

We were kind of going back and forth about should we um select 12 inch wheels and 10 inch wheels with the 12 inch wheels being we can't recall, but I think about 300,000 more expensive.

47:20

Um and we were uh we wanted to um vet uh the the tenant wheels.

47:28

We have tech 12 inch wheels currently wanted to kind of vet the tenants wheels to make sure they're gonna be able to get before we committed to them.

47:34

And VPW has uh received um tenant wheels, they are actually using them in a couple uh small um uh they're using them in the pilot uh recycling program up on Macwalls Avenue.

47:48

Uh so they have some experience with them now, and they said they haven't had any issues with them.

47:51

So we're gonna go through those finances which are uh the cheaper um of the two.

47:56

So sorry, uh the grant funds come from the grant funds are from uh uh EPA's program grant that we got, I believe, in 2022.

48:06

Uh it's 1.85 million from that grant, and then we got the second grant from an uh organization called recycling partnership, and that is a I think it's around $600,000 grant for the split between education and parts.

48:22

The card portion is 375%.

48:26

Um the 10-inch wheels that you do in the uh pilot was that moving the 90 uh 95 gallon or small.

48:36

Yeah, it is with the 95 gallon.

48:38

And I think that really all of the manufacturers are on the 10-inch wheels.

48:41

Um, I think if you did this again in 15 years, there wouldn't be a 12-inch wheel option.

48:45

We're kind of in a transition face up right now.

48:47

Because some manufacturers were not able to even able to on the 12th-inch option.

48:53

Yes, please.

48:54

Uh, just my last question is and I might have missed it.

48:56

You might have said it.

48:57

Did you um are we getting any money back for the cards we have?

49:01

Yeah, so we uh the manufacturer does take back the carts and they bring them to a recycler, and they'll grind that uh plastic resin down into something reusable uh and sell it, and then we get a credit for that, and that is included in that um their gate press that we know monthly what that would be.

49:21

I can I can look it up for you in the proposal, yeah.

49:24

I can see if I can buy that probably can ask questions about this call no longer.

49:29

Madam Oregon, do you have a question?

49:31

So we resume this.

49:32

Yes, um, it's probably for Larry.

49:35

Are there any um attorney fees associated?

49:37

We you said you went to bond council.

49:39

We did that's called side council fees because we'll have to fet it uh no different than what we were doing mass that we saw bonds.

49:46

Is that going to be disclosed?

49:47

Uh yes.

49:49

We have already uh believe we've already paid for those fees that are currently prior to June 5th.

49:54

How did we pay for them?

49:57

General fund can here.

49:59

It includes gender fund.

50:00

Okay, so just so this committee is aware.

50:03

Um bond council is the only council that we do not know what we pay hourly weight on.

50:08

Um the law department discloses every other hourly rate except bond council.

50:13

So just so you we could pay a thousand dollars an hour, we could pay 200 an hour.

50:18

We just never know.

50:19

And I have tried to pin that down for years and they refuse to pin it down.

50:23

So do you know what we paid hourly for the record?

50:26

Uh I don't have the uh invoice with me, but I believe that we have the voice for support there.

50:33

Can you make that amount or those uh payments uh available to the court for distributions that maybe such and please?

50:42

Did we have any fiscal advisor fees as well?

50:45

Any fiscal advisor fees?

50:47

Usually that goes on the bank council.

50:49

Okay, okay, that's us.

50:50

So there's no other fees associated with this okay.

50:55

Um else committee members.

50:59

Oh, council member uh chairman's yes, thank you very much.

51:04

Um fast they can lose 125,000, right?

51:14

So they produce them in kind of a ongoing fashion.

51:18

It's not like they produce 125,000 off of them and then ship them to DPW and we store them again and out.

51:23

So it is a rolling fashion.

51:25

I think that they said that they needed six to eight weeks to meet time to start manufacturing, and then they would be able to continue that through that kind of six-bit, 10-week uh delivery process and manufacturer.

51:37

And they're very um they are like a leading company in this uh field, I guess, or in this uh uh area, and they have um done similarly size funds.

51:50

They did our last contract, uh and they've done similarly size similarly size again, much much larger contracts for other meetings.

51:57

They are um experienced at uh manufacturing and delivering on larger.

52:05

Can I yes, please?

52:07

Thank you.

52:08

Are these are how they pulled these overall against the rats that we have in the city against the the lots the rolling following that we have?

52:19

They'd be approved, they'd be approved.

52:21

Like oh, are they are they rack proof?

52:23

They're roughly because in this shoe they're splashing with something that the rounds like or the water and the English bottom, I think the more they shoot the more they like it, so they wouldn't eat the whole thing.

52:39

Yeah, then those how you how how they tested this.

52:42

The the the bid is specifically for you know, a specification in the bid is that the um parts are uh I don't remember exactly what the phrase was what we'll say rack or rodent proof as proof.

52:56

Um I think that it's a known issue in the industry, and I imagine they want to pay a product that's gonna go out and be successful.

53:07

Uh, but I can certainly um zero in on this with them in a conversation and see if there's any additional um like you're saying uh additive or something.

53:18

Is that what you're suggesting is like an additive that makes it unattractive to rats or this they're using a product that to build a car will not sure if they like it and they keep controlling to late, they can break that.

53:32

Oh, you're saying the opposite, I think of what I was saying.

53:34

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

53:34

The flavor actually attracts that that's something that we need to work on and like to use a different chemical to produce this plastic against that, yeah.

53:44

Because if now we want to have the same flooring that we have now.

53:48

Every car in the city has a whole because of sure.

53:53

And and and it's something that we had to figure out how we can before the share personal pull these contract took to the manufacturers.

54:02

We need something to be at least 60 to 80 percent left food.

54:07

Oh, sorry.

54:09

Sure.

54:10

I agree.

54:10

Thank you.

54:11

But I asked how long these parts last, sir.

54:15

They have a 10-year warranty.

54:16

Our current parts are all.

54:20

I think they rolled out in 2008.

54:22

So going on 17 years for the green cans and maybe 2012 or 13 for the gray cans.

54:30

Okay, great.

54:31

Any other questions?

54:35

Okay, with that, do I have a motion?

54:39

Second motion to approve made by council from Taylor, secondly, councilwoman grave on favor.

54:47

Any phones, eyes have it, motions have and definitely Marcus and Taylor Platy with a status.

55:05

Thank you very much.

55:08

Okay, at this point, um, given the we have on our agenda for the water supply board.

55:16

I'd like to suggest to the committee that we take a matter on the order 19 on the board of licenses appointee.

55:26

Um may I have that motion to take by the 19 order.

55:31

So motion made by Councilman Gray, second by Councilman Sanchez, all in favor.

55:37

Any opposed, I have it.

55:39

May you please join us.

55:41

Tanya Fujale.

55:53

Tanya.

55:57

Wonderful, Tanya.

55:59

So I understand.

56:00

Um did we read that for the record?

56:03

I didn't please read the matter into the records.

56:06

Communication practice honor the mayor data August 29th, 2025, informing the honorable members of the city council that pursuant to section 302 feet and 112 of the province charter of 1980 as amended in public law, chapter 45 5 section to the very chat 1987.

56:28

He is this day appointed Tanya.

56:55

Well, thank you very much.

56:56

Um we understand that you have been um nominated for a very important position in the city of Province, and that's a board member uh for the board of licenses.

57:09

Um tell us about yourself with you here and uh why uh we feel that you would be a good person for that small.

57:18

Thank you very much.

57:20

If you have to speak up, please.

57:21

Thank you very much, Madam Chair.

57:23

My name is Tanya Casada.

57:25

I've been part of the community, especially the South Side community for over 30 years.

57:31

I've had the honor to work for a non-profit organization called Ready to Learn Province, where we've worked with small business holders, family child care providers that um were um licensed through DHS.

57:46

And through my experiences in terms of working with small businesses, I have the honor to understand that that there is due diligence to do in terms of ensuring that ensuring that small businesses stay in business um with the support resources necessary as they involved within their small business in terms of this particular role.

58:14

I understand that being part of the community and extremely being active with the notion that small businesses are integral in terms of our community as well as the residents that I am a good fit to be part of this board understanding that in a array of situations when I speak of due diligence, we need to ensure that both sides are heard in terms of residents and community members as well as business owners.

58:50

In terms of my um role as part of the community, um I am a graduate of Rhode Island College.

58:58

I have two daughters, a 30-year-old and a 25-year-old, which now are not living with me.

59:06

It's not that I'm happy, but there's this sense of independence that comes as your children transition on their own, and that has given me the time to really um reflect on other services that I can do within the city.

59:25

Okay, committee members, any questions.

59:31

Councilwoman and go, I think the chairman.

59:33

Thank you for your willingness to serve.

59:35

Um I have one question about your work with Skills Rhodes Future, because since the board of licenses will um cause you to interact with many small businesses, some of whom might need to be recommended or shut down.

59:47

Do you see any potential conflicts with some of the work you've done with some of these like businesses?

59:52

Like, would you see any how would you handle any conflicts that about your businesses to push under this?

1:00:00

So we have to be working with them personally, which I usually add a senior director in my role as the management business.

1:00:04

I don't talk directly with the with the small businesses, and but it's important to be introduced and um integral and ethical, and I would need to refuse myself and ensure that the board knows applying some.

1:00:20

I hope I can ask your question.

1:00:22

No, that's great.

1:00:24

And I don't mean any offense, I just put it so you can ask that.

1:00:28

Anything last change?

1:00:29

Councilman Sancho.

1:00:31

I don't have any questions.

1:00:32

I just uh want to share gratitude to Tonya for uh willing to serve this role.

1:00:39

Um it's definitely not an easy one, but a very important one.

1:00:43

Um I know there's you know bigger things that sometimes tie the hands uh of the licensing board um that we've got to try to work in another channels.

1:00:53

Uh but I've known it for a couple of years and is an extent outstanding uh community member uh with a great uh history of law supporting uh the greater uh providence um and I think her experience um and just character uh will be uh a good fit for this uh board of this any other command members questions thoughts uh with that uh councilwoman I I read your resume and I think it's very expensive and I think it's really nice resume.

1:01:31

I think it'll be uh good fit in the uh licensing board and we sometimes be a voices from other avenues, and I think that that's very good.

1:01:45

Thank you.

1:01:46

Do you have any questions about the moment um wonderful?

1:01:51

I'd like to also say thank you for your welcome to serve um with that.

1:01:56

Um I have a motion, motion made to approve by the councilman Taylor, so second by councilman santas, uh all in favor.

1:02:07

Aye, any opposed, ayes have it.

1:02:09

Motion practiced congratulations, thank you.

1:02:13

This matter will go before the council uh at the next council meeting.

1:02:18

Um so please reach out to uh council members and introduce yourself to them and um share all your talents.

1:02:26

Um and uh I wish you could motion the thank you.

1:02:35

All righty.

1:02:36

So that's so we have items um all the water board items, right?

1:02:54

And then you have six things.

1:02:55

Then you have two matters which I think uh we can dispense with rather quickly.

1:03:01

Okay, we'd like to take those matters.

1:03:03

It's up to the committee to clean it off the record.

1:03:06

I would defer absolutely on the item 17 and 18.

1:03:13

So uh I spoke on item 17.

1:03:16

Hold on, we haven't called it ready.

1:03:18

So we're gonna take them on holding the I have a motion finally from um committee members to take items 17 and 18 out of order and next.

1:03:27

So we'll comment off it.

1:03:28

Motion made by council one, uh Councilman Gray, second by councilman Taylor, all in favor aye.

1:03:35

Any opposed size have it missing carries the matters on 17 and 18 R before.

1:03:40

I would I would say that uh both items can be continued.

1:03:44

I spoke to Mr.

1:03:45

Coya earlier today.

1:03:46

He uh preparing for tonight's hearing, he reached out to the item on number 17 and has learned that that individual has returned to work who's asking for continuance to confirm their medical condition and would withdraw the application after speaking with that individual.

1:04:06

Yes.

1:04:07

May I have a motion to continue?

1:04:09

Item 17 and 18.

1:04:10

Oh motion made by councilman to by councilman uh Sanchez.

1:04:16

All in favor, aye, any posed motion carries and matters.

1:04:20

Thank you, madam chair.

1:04:23

Which leaves us with the water board.

1:04:25

So please join us at the table.

1:04:28

Who do we have here with us this evening?

1:04:37

We say we're doing the testimony you're about to give us the truth, the whole truth.

1:04:43

That's a big idea.

1:04:50

Cheryl Craig, the director and finance staff you want to see manager.

1:05:00

with us this evening tools get the disponience right we say we're gonna get originally the testimony we're about to give us the truth the whole truth and I think that's a good statement using the tests for the record Cheryl Craig the director and science staff we want to see manager okay so I am um unless the court tells me otherwise or the order tells me otherwise I'm gonna take three through uh sixteen together wave the meetings wave the reading together through sixteen and I have that motion counselman or password and one that motion ready to try counsel and sanctions on so we now have this this morning we have representatives from the water board and we are here to talk about items three through sixty before we start are we have substitutes for it's kind of correct for items three and five may I have a motion to the document yes more than this seven of those yeah okay which numbers are substituted so we can three other time okay so we have a number of substitutes on we have um before us in fact if the committee members have every all the okay okay we have substitution number three five eight nine eleven twelve and fourteen members are committed for them and I have motion to accept these uh substitutions motion made by councilwoman three second and by councilman sanchez all in favor aye any opposed size the substitutions are included in our packets hello everybody the floor is yours um please uh I don't know if we want to use our docket as a um you know a kind of an agenda to to discuss these matters in order um if that's okay with you um so I could I give you the floor to make your presentation correct thank you um so thank you for the opportunity uh to present Providence Water's proposed uh MY26 budget for your approval uh again share the create director of finance and with me I have Peter McHate Director of engineering and Stephanie Martin who's senior manager um so as you know fontness water is a critical utility serving approximately 60% of the state we were being committed to delivering state reliable high quality drinking water while maintaining affordable rates for our customers we are presenting a balanced budget with no contact city of Bob Lance's general finances as we operate as an SI fund the budget is based on rates approved by the public utilities committee we received approval for new rates affected August 1st of 2025 so that is one reason that you are receiving multiple ordinance changes is because we received approval from our province water supply board in June to mean the June date of our ordinances we got approval from the PUC or rates in August so we've replaced those ordinances that had changes due to those new rates um our operating budget is built on projected revenues of 97.4 million our operation expenses are approximately 50 percent 55 percent of our total budget while our restricted funding which is all the other ordinances is about as approximately 45 percent or 43 providence water has 11 restricted funds in addition to the operating funds restricted funds have been established by the public utilities commission um tax agreement or legislature that are based on approved amounts for specific reasons so these would be insurance um infrastructure replacement meter replacement equipment replacement capital sledge things like that um of the operating expenses salaries account for 36 percent or 19 million we did include the 2.75 um full let increase that um was classy and agreement uh the retirement contribution is 9.6 of our operating expenses which reflect 100% of our annual required contribution which is 5.5 million uh services materials and small small equipment are about 13.8 million which is 25 percent operation expenses and property taxes account for 8.8 million or six to percent on operating expenses this is an estimated four percent overall of use houses for personnel we added um some positions they're not new positioning for this added classification as far as tax to the added police supervisors we might have them six to nine we added a utility laborer a manager of plant operations a scene of bar plant mechanic and then we need a

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This is an estimated four percent overall of properties houses for personnel.

1:10:12

We added um some positions, they're not new positioning, they're just added classification and fire tax.

1:10:18

So we added police supervisors.

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We want them six to nine.

1:10:22

We added a utility laborer, a manager of plant operations, a senior bar plant mechanic, and then we need a change in a title from a senior administrative assistant slash financial analyst to just financial analysis.

1:10:38

Um we still redeem one of the more affordable regulatory regulated utilities.

1:10:43

We're the second second lowest in the state.

1:10:47

Um, and our average consumption uh based on 74,000 gallons annually.

1:10:55

Um is about um five hundred and forty eight dollars.

1:11:03

So in conclusion, um the FIFA budget is asked.

1:11:08

Uh we respectfully express our approval ordinances and tell you our um support as you welcome questions uh anything committee members.

1:11:24

No, I would just for the committee might let them know Sheryl and I suppose we're gonna know there's some things.

1:11:28

Um I have no questions for her.

1:11:32

You reviewed it all.

1:11:33

I reviewed all for the audience actually.

1:11:34

David went with the finding and did the year over the year comparison, which was provided to you all so you could see if there were any significant changes.

1:11:42

Thank you.

1:11:42

So thank you for your time.

1:11:44

Anyone else?

1:11:45

Let's change it.

1:11:48

Thank you very much for your presentation.

1:11:50

I just have one question for you on the uh led program on that your um it's a great program to the passages of our neighborhood, the city of Providence was thrilled about that.

1:12:05

I just want to give you folks a reminder, make sure you're we're having a lot of streets paid.

1:12:13

Um I just want to make sure that you were coordinating services to the city city of province.

1:12:20

Um I had a street that uh had some uh necessary work uh and I basically said pulled off and faded until that work is done.

1:12:32

So I just want to make sure you know that that's a priority, it's been a priority of just every single house of those and it continues to be an on-building problem.

1:12:43

So whatever uh we can do to help us uh make sure that we're coordinating those uh activities.

1:12:50

I understand uh but if we could try to make development term controls and procedures and protocol so that we're as efficient as possible than working with our city.

1:13:02

We're willing to do that.

1:13:03

They just need a commitment on the thought that we will do the same as the meet with uh Wal's like releases and also um coordinate with uh the other uh national grid and all that.

1:13:18

So we have um monthly meetings, uh by weekly meetings sometimes uh with the PPW, all the work as well.

1:13:28

Wonderful.

1:13:28

Thank you.

1:13:30

Many members any other council brought that up the lead.

1:13:34

Um there's been a couple issues of the things that just been putting sinking um into the um they were up here now like this back in the side wall sinking here.

1:13:49

Who is supposed to be contacted about that and what can be yeah?

1:13:54

So they involve uh mean number uh or um seven one uh that's a whole nother program that will also uh trigger us uh to get out there um just to get that in and mention to us and it will go right out and investigated some DPW not DPW but um national grid will coordinate with them that would say where they are or we were there uh one of us get it.

1:14:33

Yeah, it was you guys sometimes yeah, we do get calls we definitely will address it.

1:14:43

Okay, thank you.

1:14:46

Anyone else with that?

1:14:48

Do I have a motion?

1:14:49

Motion approved.

1:14:50

So motion to approve made by um councilman tailor, seconded by council and centers all in favor.

1:14:57

If you oppose I have it, we'll show carries another passage.

1:15:01

Thank you very much.

1:15:04

Okay, is that all we have on that?

1:15:06

Yeah, no further.

1:15:09

No, no, no, no.

1:15:15

Yeah, extended immediately.

1:15:17

Yeah, motion to adjourn.

1:15:19

Second.

1:15:20

Motion adjourned made by after confirming there's nothing on the document.

1:15:26

Motion made by Councilman Taylor, second by Councilman Anthony.

1:15:31

Thank you all very much.

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Summary of Proceedings

Providence Finance Committee Meeting Summary – September 9, 2025

The Providence City Council Committee on Finance met on September 9, 2025, to elect a new chairperson, consider a major solid waste and recycling cart financing ordinance, appoint a Board of Licenses member, and approve Providence Water’s FY26 budget and related ordinances. The meeting included detailed testimony from finance and sustainability officials and public discussion of leadership and transparency.

Election of Committee Chair

  • Councilmember Ryan was nominated and elected as chairperson of the Finance Committee by a vote of 3–2 over Councilmember Grace.
  • Councilmembers Ryan, Sanchez, and Taylor voted for Councilmember Ryan. Councilmembers Grace and Angela voted for Councilmember Grace.
  • During discussion, Councilmember Grace expressed concern that the election process lacked transparency and integrity, stating that decisions were being made behind closed doors. She urged members to vote based on their hearts and not be influenced by others.
  • Councilmember Angela emphasized the importance of selecting a chair who has been consistently present and has seniority on the committee.
  • After the election, Chair Ryan thanked the committee, promising to represent the committee and city with integrity.

Solid Waste & Recycling Cart Financing (Item 2)

  • Presentation: Deputy Director of Sustainable Spaces (Chief Mancini) and a representative from the Office of Sustainability presented a proposal to borrow $5,163,000 from Closed Loop Partners (a nonprofit environmental lender) to purchase 125,000 new 95-gallon carts (62,500 for trash, 62,500 for recycling) for city residents.
  • Financing Structure: The borrowing includes a $3,177,692.31 loan at 0% interest over 60 months and a $1,986,057.69 loan at 3% interest over 81 months. Total repayment is $5,290,022.74, resulting in $126,272.74 in total interest – an effective rate of approximately 1.15%.
  • Funding Source: $1.85 million from an EPA grant (2022) and about $375,000 from a Recycling Partnership grant cover a portion. The city’s debt service line in the FY26 budget includes provisions for repayment.
  • Rationale for New Carts: Current carts are 10–17 years old; broken-down carts cause contamination as residents overfill trash and put excess bags into recycling, costing the city about $2 million annually in extra disposal fees. New larger bins (95 gallons) aim to reduce contamination and improve recycling rates.
  • Distribution Plan: Manufacturer Rehrig Pacific will assemble and deliver carts on collection days, taking back old carts for recycling credit. Distribution expected in late winter/early spring 2026 (six to ten weeks after contract).
  • Testing: The new carts will use 10-inch wheels (cheaper option, tested on MacWalls Avenue pilot program). Councilmember Sanchez asked about rodent resistance; staff noted the bid specification includes rodent-proof claims but will follow up with the manufacturer about chemical additives.
  • Warranty: 10-year warranty on new carts.
  • Questions: Councilmember Ryan asked why contract documents appeared altered; staff clarified that the term sheet was the same as previously submitted, with only an executive summary and repayment schedule added. Councilmember Angela inquired about attorney fees; bond counsel fees were paid from the general fund and not provided on an hourly basis – a transparency concern noted by the committee. Staff agreed to make payment amounts available.
  • Vote: Motion to approve the ordinance passed unanimously.

Board of Licenses Appointment (Item 19)

  • Candidate: Tanya Fuqail (Community member, Ready to Learn Providence) was nominated by the Mayor for a seat on the Board of Licenses.
  • Testimony: Fuqail has 30+ years on the South Side, worked with small business licensees, and emphasized due diligence, fairness, and hearing both business owners and residents. She committed to recusing herself from conflicts of interest.
  • Discussion: Councilmember Angela asked about potential conflicts with her previous work; Fuqail stated she does not directly interact with businesses in her current role and would recuse if needed. Councilmember Sanchez praised her character and community service.
  • Vote: Motion to approve Fuqail’s appointment passed unanimously. Appointment will go to the full council.

Continuances (Items 17 & 18)

  • Two items on the agenda were continued without discussion after Councilmember Gray reported that the individual involved had returned to work and would withdraw the application after confirming medical condition.

Providence Water Supply Board – FY26 Budget and Ordinances (Items 3–16)

  • Presentation: Cheryl Craig (Director of Finance), Peter McHate (Director of Engineering), and Stephanie Martin (Senior Manager) presented a balanced $97.4 million operating budget for Providence Water, serving 60% of the state. The budget includes no transfer from the city’s general fund.
  • Revenue & Expenses: Operating expenses approximately 55% of total budget; restricted funds (11 funds) are 43%. Salaries: $19 million (36% of operating expenses) includes a 2.75% cost-of-living increase. Retirement contributions: $5.5 million (9.6% of operating expenses). Services, materials, and equipment: $13.8 million (25%). Property taxes: $8.8 million (16%).
  • Rate Increase: Rates approved by the Public Utilities Commission effective August 1, 2025. Providence Water remains one of the most affordable utilities in the state – second lowest – with average annual consumption (74,000 gallons) costing about $548.
  • Personnel Additions: Six new positions added (e.g., utility laborer, manager of plant operations, senior bar plant mechanic, police supervisors) – a 4% overall increase in personnel.
  • Lead Service Line Replacement: Councilmember Sanchez urged coordination with the city on street repairs after lead pipe replacement work; staff said they hold biweekly/monthly meetings with DPW to coordinate. Councilmember Taylor asked about sinkholes on sidewalks; staff directed residents to call 711 and said they will investigate and coordinate with DPW/National Grid.
  • Vote: Motion to approve the budget and all related ordinances (items 3–16) passed unanimously.

Adjournment

  • Meeting adjourned at approximately 9:20 PM following a motion by Councilmember Taylor, seconded by Councilmember Anthony.

Key Outcomes

  • Elected Chair: Councilmember Ryan elected Finance Committee Chair (3–2).
  • Approved Ordinance: Solid waste/recycling cart financing ordinance (unanimous).
  • Appointed Board Member: Tanya Fuqail approved for Board of Licenses (unanimous).
  • Approved Budget: Providence Water FY26 budget and related ordinances (unanimous).
  • Continued Items: Items 17 and 18 continued without objection.

Meeting Transcript

Welcome to the committee on finance. Um before we start, I'd like to just say thank you to uh councilwoman proposed, maybe not councilwoman, council chairperson's role she did as working with her as uh chairperson. Um very nice work with her. She's always putting everything transitional at the two meetings this year, the last few years, those two hearing meetings. And it was a pleasure working with her because she always listened to everybody in the council would actually agree to disagreed and she let me uh say workings. So I just want to say if you're watching, um hope you enjoy your requirement and you wouldn't miss. Um Ryan present, counselor Angela, present, councilman Grace, present, counselor Sanchez. Present. Yeah, five seasons, yeah. Okay, if we'd like to read number one for innovation on meeting, I'll actually know Chair President. I'll entertain a motion to elect the chairperson of the finance committee. Uh nominee household uh board chair for the second time. Typically you don't need a second for a nomination. So if the if I mean uh if the clerk, I mean Robert School doesn't require a second for nominations. Okay, are there any other any further nomination? No. Are there any further nominations? Are there any further nominees? Are there any further nominations? There'd be no further nominations. The city clerk is here by a director to a roll call vote. Yeah. Councilwoman Ryan and Councilwoman Graves, and also before that, is there any discussion. Yes. That I think there's just too much to anything and stuff going on in the background for everything. Um I put my name in the hat because we all know who really should be up the chair, and that's who and that's who Helen had it to follow her for that. That's who I want to follow. And I think that we have to we have to hold on to our integrity. We have to realize that sometimes you're better. We need to stop that. We either we're gonna do what is really truly on our heart and what is truly right for the community and this committee, then we have to stop all the playing around and all this this backstabbing and all this other stuff. It's not right. I don't think it's I I really don't think we should be doing it. Well, we for a start start coming here to talk about transparency. If I had this is not transparent. This is this is um, let's let's talk in the in the back room and come back and say whatever. I went out this weekend to several places, and everybody told me that had nothing to do with this. Oh, you guys voted in Joey and Ryan. You hadn't voted in that in nobody. That's what's working, and that's why I'm putting my name in the hat. I am qualified to be doing it. I have served as a numerous boards, committees. Um, I've been um in charge of organizations where I did picking all of such things, so I know how to do this, but not only that, we are all veterans now because we have been doing it for over two and a half years. So some of the budgets that I had may not have came up to the note that is going through the city, but I have the knowledge, I have the integrity, and I have the strength to do this, and I am speaking for myself, but like I said, I really and truly vote people are not traded in their integrity or a title, they're not trained in their integrity for something that's being whispered in their room in the back in their ears in the background. We said we were not going to do this. The whole reason that most of us came on supposedly that's new ones was we can stop this, we can stop all this madness. There should be there should be no reason for me to be hearing something from other people before we it even comes to this room and to this book. So I hope that you spoke to me, and I hope that you follow your heart. But if it if you don't, that's fine. I've spoken, and I do not want anybody coming to me later saying, Oh, I wish I because then I'm gonna tell you about yourself.

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