0:02Good evening, Rockville.
0:04Today is Wednesday, May 27th, 2026.
0:08This is meeting number 8-26 of the City of Rockville Planning Commission.
0:13I am Monsan, Chair of the Planning Commission.
0:16I am joined in chambers by Commissioners Eric Futen, Susan Pittman, and Commissioner Jamie Espanosa.
0:24Commissioner Zains and the Zayan Sahadin cannot join us tonight.
0:29Tonight's meeting is being conducted in person and virtually by WebEx.
0:34Tonight's agenda includes one review and action item, and then it will be followed by our regular scheduled commission items.
0:42Does any commissioner have any thoughts before we proceed?
0:47Hearing none, let's proceed with our first agenda.
0:51First agenda is mandatory referral application 2026-305 MRI MRF to construct a new site entrance from West Good Drive to the Rockville Senior Center, located at 1150 Carnation Drive in the park zone.
1:10City of Rockville Department of Public Works is the applicant.
1:15Watsleck, is there a staff presentation?
1:24Ortiz is going to present the planning recommendation, and then Mr.
1:30Simoneau from Public Works and perhaps others will discuss the operational aspects of this application, kind of as a combined staff presentation.
1:43Good afternoon, Madam Chair, members of the commission.
1:45Nelson Ortiz with Community Planning and Development Services Department.
1:50This first item is the Senior Center Entrance Mandator Referral.
1:56Application 2026 305 MRF.
2:08This application is for the property located at 1150 Car Nation Drive.
2:13This is the site of the Rockville Senior Center and Park.
2:18The property's land use designation is civic and public institutional.
2:33To the north of the subject property is office as well as to the west.
2:40And to the east and south of the property is residential.
2:45Access to the property is currently from Car Nation Drive.
2:50Of course, this project proposes a new entrance from West Goody Drive.
3:10So this is the proposal.
3:12Again, this is a new entrance from West Goody Drive.
3:18The proposed entrance will align with the West Goody and Picard Drive intersection.
3:24And it'll connect to the corner of the north parking lot.
3:43Sidewalk on the west side of the driveway is proposed, as well as landscaping on both sides of the driveway.
3:52As part of the project, the applicant also proposes certain intersection improvements, starting with a dedicated left turn lane on West Goody Drive to the senior center.
4:41And they will also be installing two access gates here and here between the north parking lot and the circular driveway in front of the senior center building.
5:00The intent of the access gates, of course, is to control cut through traffic.
5:05And in terms of who will have access control, the applicant does or the city does intend to provide members of the senior center access to the gates while the senior center is operating.
5:27So during the hours of operation of the senior center.
5:39In terms of next steps, the applicant will complete their 100 design drawings of following the decision by the planning commission.
5:50The applicant intends for the construction to begin late this year.
6:04This is a mandatory referral application.
6:08The application is being processed as a mandatory referral in accordance with applicable state law governing the construction of public projects.
6:20The planning commission's review was to determine consistency with the plan, specifically as it relates to the location, character, and extent of the proposed site development.
6:32The planning commission has 60 days from the date of submittal of the application to render its decision on the project, or it is deemed to be approved.
6:42The applicant may appeal a decision of denial by the planning commission to the mayor and council, which can vote to overturn the ruling by a two-thirds vote and proceed with the project.
6:59As for the findings, staff does find the project to be consistent with the plan in terms of its location, character, and extent.
7:21They proposed a new entrance is recommended in the comprehensive plan as a city project for planning area five.
7:30Of course, this project will be implementing that recommendation.
7:46And with the two gates, of course, the applicant intends to control the cut-through traffic through the site.
8:03And we also find that the project is compliant with the forest and tree preservation ordinance as well as store water management requirements.
8:16And so with that, staff does recommend approval with conditions of mandatory referral 2026 305 MRF.
8:25And I've provided a recommended motion should the Planning Commission want a recommendation there.
8:33And that does conclude my presentation.
8:42Also has a presentation, which I will attempt to uh bring up.
8:48Thank you, Madam Chair.
8:51Commissioners, I'm Craig Simon, I'm the director of public works.
8:54Uh, back in my role as director of public works.
8:57Um this project uh is almost a classic example of government doing its work.
9:04It's actually implementing something that's called out very specifically in the comprehensive plan.
9:10Uh and if this was an undeveloped site, uh you would see a building being developed at the same time, but as we know it's not an undeveloped site.
9:19If it was an undeveloped site, the primary entrance would not be off Carnation Drive.
9:24It would be off GUTI.
9:25That is the way we build uh facilities for the public these days, schools, community centers, et cetera.
9:32Uh example is the Falls Grove Community Center.
9:35It's off a major street, it's not tucked into the neighborhood where people who are expecting to use it from outside the neighborhood has to wind their way through.
9:42But unfortunately, this building was built in the early 60s with the neighborhood.
9:46It served as a school initially, and it closed in 1979 and reopened in 1982 as a senior center.
9:53So we have an entrance that goes through the neighborhood.
9:57Uh two streets in particular bear the brunt of that traffic.
10:01It's Crocus and Azalea.
10:03And both of those streets are secondary residential streets.
10:07If there are cars parked on both sides of the street, only one car can make it through at one time.
10:13That's the way our old design was for secondary residential streets.
10:17But buses used to go there, ride on buses still occasionally go here.
10:22And that's the way the traffic gets here.
10:25That's not the way we build public facilities today.
10:28So this building, this facility wants to have its entrance on GUTI Drive, but it's not.
10:35And now the problem is when we're putting it there, we have a problem.
10:39We already have an entrance off of Carnation.
10:41And if we build one off of GUIDY and one at Carnation, and the parking lot connects them, there is concern that people will use that entrance to go through the neighborhood and as cut through traffic as it's commonly called.
10:55And one of the difficulties here is you may ask, well, why would somebody use this as cut through traffic?
11:00Well, frankly, it's the residents who live there are probably most motivated to use it instead of going all the way around to their house.
11:06But the intersection of 355 and GUTI often backs up.
11:12And during rush hours, especially the evening rush hour, uh, there would probably be, if people knew of this entrance, and if it was unguarded, there would probably be uh attempts to have cut through traffic going through here when those instances happened.
11:27So our our charge here, and we led the uh team effort from Public Works, but it's a joint effort with recreation parks.
11:35They run the recreation center.
11:36We have the roadway, we have to fix the intersection, and so this is a team effort with us uh taking the project lead.
11:43And so our challenge is how to put the new entrance there, but to mitigate the attempt to cut through.
11:49And so the the portion I want to focus here on is the gate system, which is weak what we came up with to mitigate the entrance.
11:57You can see here in this aerial view, the uh the the if you can go back to the last slide that you can see the this is the site uh aerial view today.
12:07Only access is through Carnation on the bottom of the picture.
12:10The next slide uh shows uh the aerial view with the new entrance shown there.
12:17And you can see the two yellow locations are where we proposed to uh locate the gate arms.
12:25Uh we chose two gate arms because we did not want traffic to get all the way up that road to a gate arm and decide they couldn't make it through, and they would have to back down that access road uh from both directions.
12:37So two gates were chosen.
12:38We're also going to be putting some bullards around the gate to make sure people can't drive off into the grass to make their way around it.
12:46And um, so the the one of the biggest decisions we had to make in this project, besides what to use to deter that was to where where to place it.
12:56Initially, we were considering dividing the parking lot and having part of that big parking lot serve one side and part of it serve the other side.
13:06And we were trying to get some traffic um details as to where users of the senior center lived and how many might use each section of it.
13:16And we were criticized.
13:18We were criticized because it wasn't scientific data, and it wasn't.
13:22Okay, there's no one has any scientific data that's gonna show this.
13:27So uh in the end, the this the option we came up with, and we studied many of them.
13:32We studied putting a jersey barrier type of device there permanently, just blocking it off.
13:37The problem is when one side fills up, there's no option to go and park on the other side.
13:45And uh and it's fixed.
13:47Um, secondly, there was an option to say close the entrance off of Carnation Drive.
13:53Why would we need it?
13:54Let everybody come in from GUI.
13:56Well, the people in the neighborhood who are used to driving there and using that field for recreation on weekends and going to the center, didn't like that option.
14:04So we were kind of stuck between uh two opposing forces here where we couldn't close either of them.
14:10We wanted to put both of them, and so this is the solution uh that we came up with after having six advisory group meetings.
14:18We the mayor and council directed that we form a neighborhood advisory group.
14:22We had six meetings with them, and we did two public meetings, which were very well attended.
14:28One of them was in this room at 30% design.
14:31The room was probably packed.
14:33And then the second one was just two weeks ago, a virtual one online, where we covered the 90% drawings with the public.
14:41So we have fielded all of the concerns, we heard them all, and I will tell you we haven't satisfied everybody.
14:52I haven't seen a public project project that does that.
14:55There are still people concerned with who's going to be pushing the button on this gates and opening it, and how are we going to monitor it, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera.
15:01And how are we going to monitor it, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera.
15:04And there is concerns with lots of people on both sides of this, some who want it, some who don't want it.
15:11How who are we going to give access uh to the gates and how are we going to do that?
15:15Well, um, this system that we picked was extremely flexible.
15:20Um it's typical gates, but it's gonna be running installed by the company that installs the gate arms for the rest of the city, and we can we can close the gates off at certain hours.
15:31So, for example, initially, we're gonna leave the gate arms down and down position, and we're not gonna allow any access, even for people who are members of the club after closing hours.
15:40This prevents the people at 10 o'clock at night going through and cutting through and and doing things, et cetera.
15:46And then during operational hours, we're gonna come up with a system that allows members to go through and and do that.
15:53Also, there's options of a camera and possibly a call button, et cetera, in case people don't is also an option of when they know they're gonna have a lot of people, they can go open and just open the gate, staff can open the gate for an hour while there's a big event, close it afterwards to stabilize the traffic.
16:09So there's all sorts of flexibility built into the system we have here, and there's fears that people are gonna still use the system if they have a membership card to abuse it and everything.
16:20Well, we can count the cars that come through in an hour.
16:22If you have 45 cars that come through in an hour and there's only 15 cars parked in the parking lot, something's going on, okay.
16:29And uh frankly, we can we can uh change the system to modify it to what happens here.
16:35So, or we may find out no one's abusing this at all, and we can leave the gate arm open uh for extended periods of time.
16:42So it's very flexible to go either way, depending on what we find out, and that's why we came up with this solution, and that's why we're moving forward uh as such.
16:50Um, this project has lots of interest in the community, has lots of interest from King Farm and all the communities who have to drive around and go through the neighborhood.
17:01They don't want cutting to cut through Crocus and Azalea in those neighborhoods, they want a quicker way to get here.
17:07And so this is the solution we came up with.
17:09The project does have to go to the mayor and council for approval because the project uh will go out to bid, and we're suspecting that the uh price of the project will be well over the dollar threshold that will require Mayor and Council contract approval.
17:23So they will see it, they will have to approve it.
17:25And as you can see here today, uh the only reason this room is not packed is because we've done those outreach meetings.
17:32Believe you me, uh I personally attended most of those advisory group meetings.
17:37Uh, they weren't going well in the beginning.
17:39And so we have put a lot of effort between the two departments to manage all of the concerns, and I can tell you, I don't know of a better way to manage it than what we would have right here.
17:51Lots of people will say there's problems that might happen.
17:54No one has come up with a better solution.
17:56So I wanted to make sure you understood this because you've already received one email, and we responded to that email, but uh there are still concerns lingering out there, but in my professional opinion, this is the best solution uh that we have.
18:11With that, uh, we're here both from uh public works.
18:14We have staff here and recreation parks uh deputy uh directs here and and and Terry Hilton is on online, who's the uh director of the senior center.
18:23If you have any questions, we'll be glad to take them.
18:26Thank you so much for both presentation.
18:28That's open for some deep cut on questions.
18:37Here's an here's an easy one, Mr.
18:39Simon and to staff, just walk me through this.
18:42I understand how we monitor who's going in when the arms are going up and down, right?
18:47I'm assuming there's a system in place there.
18:49But once the arms go up, and we leave them up, right?
18:52Like at nights or weekends, if if we ever decide to do that, is there a way to monitor how much traffic is going through open arms?
19:01Does that make sense?
19:02Uh it it does make sense.
19:04Uh the idea is not to leave the gate arms open when the facility is not open.
19:09Uh it's to leave it closed.
19:11And so the monitoring occurs when the gate goes up and down because somebody is using a device uh to open it and close it, and there is a camera enabled there.
19:19So that's that's the monitoring that will take place.
19:22But the the gate arm will only be uh in the down position when the facility is closed.
19:32I don't have any questions.
19:34I just was going to say this sounds like a robust and thorough process, and thank you very much, Mr.
19:39Semino, for leaving that.
19:44Um second, Commissioner Pivan, but I have just some curiosity questions.
19:48Um in the sort of fail-safe where there's a call button, would that go to a person on city staff within the building, or would that go to like a central command that handles all the gates in the city?
20:00That's a good question.
20:02And you you notice we have not put the operational details of how we're going to do this in writing.
20:07There have been residents requesting that we do so.
20:12And we have not, one, because you notice that the drawings don't show the gates.
20:26And frankly, staff wants the flexibility that based upon what they see there.
20:31So we're not doing that.
20:32So to your question, uh the call box, uh call button option will go to the senior center.
20:40Um next isn't really a question.
20:43The only I could foresee several instances where people who have the code or the key or whatever it is to get to the gate, get to the gate and realize they don't have that code or that card or that key.
20:54That's where my concern would be what happens to those people.
20:56Do they have to turn around and go the long way?
20:57Is there someone there to call?
20:59I understand that's probably still being worked out.
21:01That's my only real concern with this, and it's not related to the design.
21:05And one important thing is you don't need to go through the gate.
21:08You only need to use the gate, is if the side you are coming in on the parking is at capacity already.
21:15So most people who will come in will not even have to use the gate.
21:19They just have to park on the side that they come in on.
21:22However, uh, you raise a good question.
21:24Uh, and that's why some operations flexibility is there.
21:27If it's on a peak time and they know the parking lot on one side is full, they could leave it open for a hour or so to let that we want the flexibility, but but the call button is it's meant to be a backup if if something happens.
21:42I have a follow-up question.
21:44So I understand based on the current gate location, the parking is open to public, even though they don't use the scenic center.
21:54See senior center, right?
21:56They can park there.
21:58And it's still the grounds will still be open to the public after it's closed.
22:03They will just not be able to transverse between the two sides of the parking lots.
22:08Okay, so that's the intention.
22:09It should be open to public.
22:12And it still will be open to the public.
22:13They just won't be able to go from one side to the other one after hours.
22:18And then you mentioned the a neighbor, uh, nearby neighbors, they can park there too to use a facility when the senior center is not open during the weekend.
22:28So they can use the as a park.
22:31Yes, there is some use after hours, and they still will be able to use it from both sides.
22:36And that was the one of the reasons why we wanted to keep access open to both sides.
22:41Again, if you're trying to go park on the Carnation side and you're trying to use a field up here, you'll have to park on this side and walk around the two gates to get to get there.
22:50So there is a uh few hundred feet there of walking, but it maintains the integrity of the uh preventing cut through traffic.
22:58Understanding this, I think this is the reasonable solution.
23:04And the the details we have to see, right?
23:07And based on our observation, it might change, but I appreciate that we have a flexible system that can adapt to the situation.
23:17I have no more questions.
23:19Sounds like um oh, yes.
23:25Wasback, is there anybody uh here like to testify?
23:29Madam Chair, it appears that there are potentially three persons online who would provide testimony.
23:35And I will just uh call them in the order that they appear on my screen.
23:40So before uh you're calling, uh I like to remind the rule of the testimony.
23:46So the EVO intend to testify for any of the agenda today, and um each individual will be allowed for three minutes to provide comments on the application.
23:59And however uh if you present an organization such as the HOA or community group, you are allowed to uh up to five minutes, and uh there is a clock in front of you.
24:10I think the online there will be also a clock.
24:14Okay, then the uh I think Mr.
24:16Domain will uh remind you to check the time and uh uh when the time ends.
24:23And uh at any time, uh commissioners can ask clarification questions and please adhere to these time limits.
24:31And uh so how how can we enforce the time?
24:38We'll just remind the uh individuals when they are speaking when they are at the end of the three moments.
24:47Uh the first speaker uh on my list uh is a phone number beginning 3014 and ending in two nine.
24:57You're unmuted if you'd like to speak.
25:00You're unmuted if you'd like to speak three zero one four hearing anything, I'm going to mute them and move on to the next person.
25:22Uh the next person shown is Anna Astrid.
25:26The next person shown is Anna Astrid.
25:28Uh, you're unmuted if you'd like to speak.
25:43And finally, um, we have Juliana.
25:50You're unmuted if you'd like to speak.
25:53I'm okay, I don't wish to testify.
25:58And Madam Chair, that concludes the individuals that are online at the moment.
26:05So hearing uh no testimony and so are there any uh other discussions commissioners like to make okay hearing none, is there a motion?
26:18Can we see the sample motion on the screen?
26:27I move that we approve mandatory referral application 2026-305-MRF based on the required findings and subject to the conditions outlined in the staff report.
26:40I second the motion.
26:41Oh, you in favor of say aye.
26:43Okay, so the motion approved.
26:58Okay, the next item um is our regular agenda items.
27:05Wazleck, so do we have uh staff liaison report?
27:09Uh yes, madam chair and members of the commission.
27:12Uh, just looking ahead to your next two meetings.
27:16We actually do not have any uh agenda items that are shown for those meetings at the moment.
27:21Um, but I would like to keep them open just in case there are some uh items that uh end up being eligible.
27:31I did want to give you an update on the mayor and council's review of the zoning ordinance and comprehensive map amendment.
27:38Uh believe since your last meeting, uh, there has been there has not been a work session.
27:47There was a meet there was a work session on May 11th, just prior to your last meeting.
27:51There was one schedule on May 18th.
27:53Uh, unfortunately, that got moved to uh June 1st, and so this coming Monday will be the final scheduled work session uh for the Zoor and CMA, and uh the mayor and council are reviewing uh articles nine through 13 at that work session.
28:11And uh adoption is still scheduled for June the 29th.
28:16So we're moving right along.
28:22And that concludes my report.
28:26And so I think um we have a new business to review is the our 2025 annual report draft that we all received.
28:35So commissioners, uh so Mr.
28:37West, you would like to give us a presentation or introduction.
28:41Yeah, just to um introduce the annual report.
28:45It consists of two components.
28:47Uh one is the essentially a cover letter uh with five questions that the Maryland Department of Planning uh asked every jurisdiction to respond to.
28:57And uh that is the two-page uh document that I sent you, and then there's the more uh robust annual report, which kind of has been our tradition to send uh a lot more, a lot wordier, um, but certainly is a good overview uh of the city itself and kind of what's happening, at least that's the intent.
29:20So uh during calendar year 2025, um total number of permits that were issued for residential units totaled 161, uh, and that included uh 47 multifamilies, and the rest were either two over twos or single family detached, which of which there I think there was one, and then the rest are townhomes.
29:45Uh as you know, there are a couple developments moving forward uh in construction uh at the moment, and so that accounts for the the new residential permits uh that it were issued during the calendar year, and that is the metric that uh the Department of Planning would like us to report to them primarily.
30:02Um but also they want to know what's kind of what's going on in terms of facilitating uh land use changes and residential use, etc.
30:14in accordance with uh our comprehensive plan and the state's goals.
30:19So I included um a little summary, primarily focusing on the ZOR and CMA and the intent of those uh processes to implement the comprehensive plan and also prov uh implement the recommendations of the FAST initiative uh in the zoning ordinance among other aspects.
30:42And of course, we are required to um report whether all of our commission members have completed the training course and happy to report that everyone has.
30:53So those are the uh the basic questions uh for the state.
30:59Then as I said, the rest is a little more detailed uh in terms of text and goes through each uh action that the planning commission took in terms of development applications and also summarizes uh any actions you took regarding the conference of plan.
31:20Although um in particular this year there was not any.
31:24Uh you had reviewed the town center master plan in the prior year.
31:31So I would note that uh in terms of your actions uh with regard to site plan, which I found to be interesting, uh there was just over 1,000 residential units that were approved uh by your action uh at a site plan level of approval and uh just under 800,000 square feet of potential new research and development and office space uh that was approved.
31:54Um and that was found in two two separate applications.
32:01One thing that uh I do note uh if you're familiar with past reports, you know that we have done a map in the past.
32:08I was seriously considering uh not including the map, and uh uh as I got more into the report, I think it probably does make sense to include it.
32:18So the map that you have in the draft is is last year's map, and um once the um we have the final map for this year that includes all the applications that is in the lit that are in the list, uh I will drop that into the document.
32:32Uh if you agree, um I think it makes more sense uh that way.
32:38And uh finally there was a um just a brief summary of what we expect you to work on uh during the current year 2026.
32:47Uh of course uh you've come through a lot with the zoning ordinance rewrite and map amendment work sessions that you held and the recommendations that you made.
32:55And um I'm not anticipating major efforts in the rest of this calendar year, although uh we know there are a couple of uh neighborhood plans that are coming.
33:05Uh, we'll probably see those um starting next year.
33:09So with that, um happy to answer any questions.
33:12Um I will note that the um kind of traditional report to the mayor and council is scheduled for June 8th, and so we'll be sending this out uh forthwith uh in the mayor and council brief book.
33:26So um if you have any uh input, be happy to hear it if you see anything that is not correct or uh or anything else, please let me know.
33:36I'm open to feedback.
33:39Um I'd like to start.
33:42I I think the map is very important.
33:45And I think just by looking at the 2024 map, and it looks like all the activities are kind of along the traffic corridors that kind of match our uh master plan.
33:56Yeah, I think that's a good thing.
33:58And I'm curious to see the the map for the 2025 uh activity.
34:05And also just in terms of the table of contents, and that I assume that will be finalized when the document is updated.
34:14So you right, it still shows the 2024 activities.
34:21So commissioners, any comments for this report.
34:31The one thing on that is at the end of my term now because I was reappointed expires in 2031.
34:38Which means you have to deal with me for a lot longer, but that's the only change I had.
34:51I only got to skim it before the meeting, so I'll take a deeper dive when I have a few more minutes, but I support the map certainly.
35:00Okay, then now I look at mine.
35:02So I was re-appointed two in 2025 or 2026, 2026.
35:12So that will expire in 2031.
35:20Right, I have that one, but not Commissioner Espinoza, so I'll make that fixed.
35:31So hearing uh no other comments.
35:34So is there a motion to approve the annual report?
35:41I move that we approve the report.
35:45Oh, in favor, say aye.
35:47I just said assuming that things will be updated and we'll have a moment if we catch anything before.
35:53If you do see anything, please just email me directly.
35:56And I'll do that within 24 hours if I say anything.
35:58I know you got a time crunch.
36:00I'll amend that motion that the um to approve the annual report uh including noted changes and updates.
36:16Do we have a second?
36:19Oh, I second the motion.
36:21Oh, in favor, say I.
36:23The report is approved.
36:26Thank you very much.
36:29West likes hard working on putting this report together.
36:32And it seems like we have done a lot of activities.
36:36And uh okay, so the next minutes to approve, and we received one minutes, right?
36:46Yeah, just the one said it was a work session, so I would understand if you didn't have an opportunity to review those.
36:53I did not have any changes.
36:56Uh same as Commissioner Espinosa.
36:58I reviewed them, no changes.
37:00I reviewed them and sorry on page 15, paragraph seven.
37:04The wrong um version of here is used.
37:08It's should be H E A R instead of H E R E.
37:15Which page was that?
37:16Uh page 15, paragraph seven.
37:24Let me see if I can find it again.
37:29It has something to do.
37:30Is that in the minutes or in the report?
37:35So the minutes have seven pages.
37:37Oh, so what am I looking at then?
37:41The the annual report, maybe that's 725.
37:46Hang on, let me see if I can find it again.
37:52Oh, you can uh let's see, it's right here.
37:54So that is page six of seven.
37:57Oh, you know what it is.
37:58Paragraph starts, Commissioner Fulton stated that, and uh I'm looking at Adobe page numbers, not uh not um agenda page numbers.
38:10No, where I see it, yeah.
38:17If you ever wondered if one of us really does read the minutes in full copy editing certif certificate comes in handy sometimes.
38:28Okay, so with that changes.
38:32Do we have a motion to approve the minutes?
38:35I move to approve the minutes uh with the noted correction.
38:40Oh, in favor say aye.
38:43I mean it's it's approved.
38:46And uh so do we have any uh correspondence?
38:51Anyone like to bring I think just the um correspondence that you received yesterday, and then there was a response from the staff on the application this evening.
39:04That's a very thorough response.
39:07Okay, so I think we finished all the agenda today.
39:10So do I have a um motion to adjourn?
39:16Oh, in favor say aye.
39:18The meeting is adjured.
39:19Good night, Rockville.