Thank you.

Good evening.

Welcome to the June 12, 2025 Active Transportation Commission.

The meeting is now called to order.

Will the clerk please call the roll to establish a quorum?

Thank you, Chair.

Commissioners, please unmute.

Commissioner Harris?

Here.

Commissioner Gibson?

Present.

Commissioner Wadwani?

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Commissioner Littiger?

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Vice Chair Gonzalez?

Is absent.

Commissioner Hopps?

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Commissioner Tao?

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Commissioner Hyatt?

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Commissioner Moore?

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Commissioner Cruz?

Is absent.

Commissioner Banks?

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And Chair Hodel?

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Thank you.

We have a quorum.

I would like to remind members of the public and chambers that if you would like to speak

on an agenda item, please turn in a speaker slip when the item begins.

You will have two minutes to speak once you are called on.

After the first speaker, we will no longer accept speaker slips.

We will now proceed with today's agenda.

Please rise for the opening acknowledgments in honor of Sacramento's indigenous people and

tribal lands.

To the original people of this land, the Nisanan people, the Southern Maidu, Valley and Plains

Miwok, Patwin-Winton peoples, and the people of the Wilton Rancheria, Sacramento's only federally

recognized tribe, may we acknowledge and honor the native people who came before us and still walk beside us today on these

ancestral lands by choosing to gather together today in the active practice of

acknowledgement and appreciation for Sacramento's indigenous people's history, contributions,

and lives.

Thank you.

Please remain standing for the Pledge of Allegiance.

I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States.

I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands, one nation, one

nation, one another, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.

I would like to welcome Commissioner Tong Tao to the Active Transportation Commission from District 8.

Would you tell us a little bit about yourself and how you came to be here?

Sure.

Thank you so much, Chair O'Dell.

And hi, everyone.

Thank you all so much.

I'm very much looking forward to working with you all on this commission.

My name is Tong Tao.

I grew up in South Sacramento.

I grew up running around in the streets of 24th Street.

I graduated from Everett Kimball.

Funny enough, I was actually the first class to graduate from Cesar Chavez when it became its own school or its own part of the school.

So a lot of my background comes from running around Sacramento as a little kid.

But I'm happy to be here and happy to work with you.

I'm looking forward to working with you all on this commission.

Welcome.

We look forward to your input.

We'll now proceed with the commission staff report.

Staff, you may proceed.

Thank you, Chair.

Good evening, everybody.

Jennifer Donilon-Wyant, Division Manager, Mobility and Sustainability, with your staff report.

I have a number of items to cover this evening.

The first is just a friendly reminder.

We do not meet in July.

So our next meeting will be August 21st.

So don't show up in July because some of us will be taking vacations.

I also just wanted to extend a welcome to Commissioner Tao as part of staff's welcome to our commission.

For those of you who don't follow the city council closely in our city budget, I wanted to share the city budget was passed at city council on Tuesday evening.

So we'll look forward to a new adventure beginning our budgeting process next fall.

I wanted to give you a brief update on the streets for people schedule.

Because initially we had anticipated bringing it to you for approval in June.

We had a lot of comments on the draft plan that we published.

So we're taking the time to review all of the comments and address what we can and have appropriate responses.

Our goal is to bring it to you in August.

So look out for that.

I know all of you are signed up for our transportation planning newsletter.

And if you are, you would have gotten the information that we now have published a transportation projects map.

So if you're curious about what efforts we have in the city, that map is available both on the current transportation planning efforts website as well as our partners in engineering services website.

So please take a look at that.

It is a map with information about the project, the project type, and who the project manager is at the city.

I know you're all following our projects really closely.

The Norwood Mobility Project, which is up in District 2.

We are conducting community engagement on the alternatives now.

And we have a virtual meeting on Tuesday, June 17th.

So if you have an interest in that area and improving mobility and safety, please attend that meeting.

And then connecting Howe Avenue, which is in District 6.

That project is also bringing forward the alternatives to the public for their input.

And that meeting, the virtual meeting on June 23rd and an in-person meeting on June 26th.

Thank you very much.

With that, that is my staff update.

Thank you.

Next is the approval of the consent calendar.

Clerk, are there any members of the public who wish to speak on the consent calendar?

Thank you, Chair.

I have no speaker slips on this item.

I'm sorry.

Okay.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Thank you, Chair.

Yeah.

Thank you.

Appreciate it.

Only because I received this request today from a member of our community.

Is there any update to the Quick Build program?

Vice Chair Gonzalez.

I can provide you a high-level update to the Quick Build program.

For those of you who remember, there are two elements as part of the Quick Build program.

There is the Quick Build program of smaller interventions that are less expensive.

And then there's the bigger Quick Build program where we'll be implementing portions of our safety corridor efforts in advance of the $20 or $30 million efforts.

The bigger Quick Build program, we are working on advancing the Marysville Boulevard Vision Zero Corridor Project as a Quick Build.

And so we are in design for that.

And in fact, I believe we're scheduled to here on Marysville, this commission are tentatively scheduled for August.

So we're bringing that forward.

For the Quick Build project, with Council's approval of the budget, the funding becomes available July 1st.

And our city traffic engineer is working on recruiting for those positions.

Once those positions are filled, we'll start beginning that work.

So my rough estimate is probably fall or winter before we have staff on board.

Thank you.

So that was for the staff report, correct?

Okay.

So next is the approval of the consent calendar.

Chair, are there any members of the public who wish to speak on the consent calendar?

Thank you, Chair.

I have no speaker slips for this item.

Okay.

Are there any commissioners who wish to speak on this item?

If not, may I have a motion?

I will move to approve.

And a second.

Not everybody but once.

Yeah, come on.

I need a second.

I will second.

I second from Commissioner Banks.

We have a motion by Commissioner Hough and a second by Commissioner Banks.

Will you please call the roll?

Thank you, Chair.

Commissioners, please unmute.

Commissioner Harris.

Abstain.

Commissioner Gibson.

Aye.

Commissioner Wadwani.

Abstain.

Commissioner Littiger.

Abstain.

Aye.

Vice Chair Gonzalez.

Aye.

Commissioner Hopp.

Aye.

Commissioner Hyatt.

Aye.

Commissioner Tao.

Aye.

Commissioner Moore.

Aye.

Commissioner Cruz is absent.

Commissioner Banks.

Aye.

And Chair Hodel.

Aye.

Thank you.

The motion passes.

Thank you.

We'll now proceed to the discussion calendar.

Item number three is the bikeway separation treatments project.

Is there a staff presentation?

Hello, Commissioners.

My name is Jeff Gelsma.

I'm an associate planner with Department of Public Works, Mobility and Sustainability Division.

I am joined tonight with Andrew Kotalik.

I said that right?

Yeah, correct.

Cool.

From Tool Design, who is helping out on the project.

So, tonight we're going to give an overview of our proposed draft recommendations with the

intent for you all to review and give us some comment on those recommendations.

So, for tonight, we're going to go, there's two different sets of treatment or recommendations.

There's both the separation treatments for bikeways or class four bikeways and then the

shared use path entry treatments for how we install different treatments citywide for

those shared use paths.

So, for the bikeway separation treatments, there's a number of complete street policies that supporting

a variety of planning documents and policies supporting complete streets.

And the city is working to increase active transportation citywide to help meet their climate goals, their equity goals, and reducing those vehicle miles traveled.

So, some policies, high-level policies to keep in mind here are the Vision Zero Action Plan to continue building the enhanced bikeway network,

as well as the 2040 general plan, which is the goal of creating a more equitable, sustainable transportation system to provide a range of viable and healthy choices for users of all ages and backgrounds and abilities,

as well as the Climate Action Adaptation Plan to increase active transportation mode share in the city to 6% by 2030 and 12% by 2045.

Some high-level statistics about the city for active transportation.

A lot of the short trips in the city are under three miles, around 44%, according to the SACOG Regional Transportation Study, which was done in 2018.

But most of those trips are completed in a motor vehicle.

57% of the greenhouse gases in the city are from transportation.

The majority of those are single-occupancy vehicles.

And the mode split is very much geared towards driving, which a little bit of folks taking transit, and less than 2% either walking or biking.

And we have around 10.3 miles of separated bikeways in the city, with a number of crashes involving pedestrians and bicyclists.

And so why separated bikeways?

You all probably already know all this, but just separated bikeways effectively increase the comfort for people biking.

So a lot of folks, 6% to 10% of folks feel comfortable riding in mixed traffic or on painted bike lanes.

That could increase with increased separation with a vertical element between to separate folks who are bicycling or scooting from motor vehicles in a way to really increase active transportation in the city, as I mentioned earlier, with the Climate Action Adaptation Plan.

As well as separated bikeways result in increased safety for all street users, not just folks walking and biking.

That's including people driving.

And a study that analyzed crash data over the last 13-year period found that areas with separated

bike lanes on city streets resulted in 44% fewer deaths and 50% fewer serious injuries.

So in 2018, the Sacramento had its first separated bikeway along J Street between 19th and 28th.

Those, oops, sorry.

Those bollards or flex posts that you saw there were installed with an adhesive that could not withstand the Sacramento heat in the summer.

So a lot of them failed.

So we piloted a number of different flex posts with the Battle of the bollards in 2022.

As you can see here, we had three different choices.

They're still along J Street if you want to go check them out.

But we did a survey citywide.

We had a number of respondents say that they preferred the K71, which is the one in the middle, the more kind of fat, robust-looking flex post.

And they also mentioned that they would like it a different color because the white kind of blends in with the striping.

So that's how we came to choose the green K71 that you probably have seen in the central city with the central city mobility plan.

And so now we are here.

We are looking to task with identifying more durable treatments in the cities.

So beyond the K71 post, thinking about curbs and other separation treatments that we can have for those separated bikeways.

So some project objectives to explore those separation treatments using best practices from other cities as well as the technical guidance and standards for these different bikeways, including a lot of different standards from CalTrans as well as national guidance.

So we are looking to do that and collaborate with our internal partners, both with transportation planning and transportation engineers, but also with our other divisions and departments in the city to make sure that we have treatments that will be feasible so that they don't impede on, say, our department utilities or our police and fire.

So now I will hand it over to Andrew to go over the recommendations.

Thanks.

Thanks, Jeff.

So with all that said, we came up with a project deliverable of a flow chart to take into account all the project context.

It took into account the city's safety initiatives.

We wanted to create a clear and consistent user experience with the separated bikeway treatments while maximizing the durability of the treatments but minimizing the cost.

So this resulted, like I said, is in a flow chart and we support this flow chart with some separated bikeway details which are included in the packet and alongside those separated bikeway details, so there's different types of vertical elements, we also included details that show how to use those treatments and where to use those treatments.

That's also included specific locations.

So the default treatment that is recommended is the extruded curb due to its lowest low installation costs and provides a high level of separation and comfort for the user alongside minimal maintenance after install.

So, for projects without, for roadways that are not being resurfaced, we recommend the precast curb.

This also, like the extruded curb, provides a high level of comfort and safety and comfort and separation for the user with minimal maintenance but with the added bonus that you can move these around after the fact.

They're modular if you need to use them for, be repurposed for other future projects.

And the city is also familiar with this treatment.

It's been used previously on other projects.

For high speed roads and streets with no parking, so this would be a street 35 mile an hour posted speed limit up, we are recommending precast concrete barriers.

These are 18 to 27 inches in height.

They're currently used in other cities like in this photo in Boulder, Colorado.

Similar to the precast curb, these can be modular and moved around as well.

But they're more robust, so that's why they're used where there's no parking in higher speed locations.

Another benefit is that you can make these canvas, you can put beautiful art on there and that's what Boulder is showing here.

And then we have another recommendation for when there are full reconstruction projects.

Typically these are for new developments that are occurring in the city.

The recommendation is for an intermediate level bikeway with a cast in place curb.

This is a more robust treatment and the intermediate bikeway will sit between the sidewalk and the roadway level, so it's intermediate.

Which is around 2 to 4 inches below the sidewalk level.

This is a good design and it simplifies accessibility issues that come into play with when you have bikeways at a sidewalk level.

So when you have a bikeway at a sidewalk level, there are some issues with detecting where the space is for pedestrians versus non-pedestrians, so for anyone wheeling around.

So this intermediate design alleviates a lot of those issues by creating a detectable edge that is cane detectable along that bikeway and between the peds and the bikes.

So that's the more robust recommendation.

Alongside these details, the separated bikeway details, we're also including supporting details of where to use them.

And we want to highlight how to use them at, we've included accessible parking space detail, at driveways and at signalized intersections.

So that's also included in this packet that you've received.

So moving on to the shared use, I'll back it up, okay.

Moving on to the shared use path entry treatment project.

We, the goal of this, as Jeff had mentioned, is to standardize the design approach for shared use path entry within the city.

There have been a few issues that have been brought up regarding unauthorized vehicle access, camping and waste dumping, illegal waste dumping.

So the design goals here for this project was to deter the unauthorized vehicle entry while also allowing for emergency maintenance vehicles to access the shared use path when needed.

And we always think about safety and comfort of the shared use path user.

So that's where we come to the recommendations now.

So this is a big wordy slide.

But essentially this is going through, in order of preference, how a shared use path entry treatment should be designed.

And ideally a shared use path won't be encroached by vehicles normally.

So a sign should be the first thing you try.

You just put a sign up.

The second, so if there are still vehicles accidentally entering the shared use path at the entry, you can then paint a median island within the entryway to visually narrow the trail so it doesn't look like a driveway or another roadway where a vehicle would be turning onto.

The most robust treatment would then, if there are still unauthorized vehicles accessing, and they shouldn't be, they're intentionally accessing the path, we can design the entry so it's physically impossible for vehicles to access the shared use path.

And the first, and within that category, we break it down into a few different, again, in order of preference, different design treatments.

So the first one would be to create a raised concrete island in the center of the shared use path entry with an optional bollard on top.

If you do that, though, you have to create another access point for emergency and maintenance vehicles.

So that would be the most ideal situation.

If you can't get an alternate access point for emergency vehicles, we recommend putting a mountable island in the middle of the entry with either a flexible post or a movable post on top or no post at all.

And that way you don't need a separate entry.

And then for the most constrained points, so if you have a more constrained entry for a shared use path, we recommend just a bollard.

But high vis treatment of paint, so as to not create a hazard for the users using the shared use path.

Because there has been quite a few issues when it comes to that.

Yeah, so with that, that is our recommendations.

And I want to thank you for your time.

I want to open up to questions.

Thank you very much.

Are there any members of the public who wish to speak on this item?

Thank you, Chair.

I have one speaker for this item.

Our speaker is Dan Allison.

Dan Allison.

Good evening, Commissioners.

Dan Allison speaking for myself this evening.

I have some comments.

The precast curbs are a good idea as long as they are permeable.

I have been in a number of cities that are doing them for an entire block solid curb.

You can't enter or exit the bikeway.

Bad news for bicyclists.

It doesn't allow them to do what they need to do.

Of course, bicyclists can ride in the main traffic lane.

But you have to know where you are going a full block ahead of time to make that workable.

So, I just caution.

No complete blocks that are not permeable.

High speed precast concrete barriers.

They are ugly.

I have seen them decorated in the Bayview in San Francisco.

They are still ugly.

I don't know how to correct that problem.

I don't know what to do about it.

I am not suggesting that high speed streets don't need higher level protection, but they

are ugly.

Intermediate level bikeways.

I think they are a great idea, but probably the city is not going to have enough money to

do reconstructions very often or in very many places.

Great.

A caution on the separated separated paths.

I have seen a number of bollards in the middle of the path not maintained.

The reflective tape peels off them, never gets replaced.

Somebody riding a bike at night can't see that bollard.

bollard it would be better to have a flexible post and something the

bicyclists could run into without serious injury if that means there's

some vehicle intrusion so be it or the city can actually maintain all of its

bollards with reflective tape replaced frequently that's all thank you

thank you for your comment chair I have no more speakers thank you are there any

commissioners who wish to speak on this item

vice chair Gonzales thank you chair and thank you for the presentation it's nice

to see that we're considering some uniform practices across the city I want

to echo the statement that Michelle Allison made about the non-permanable bike

pathways to I also don't think they're they're a little bit prohibitive to how

people would naturally use bike lanes you get to where you want to stop you want

to enter and exit the lane I think we should have that option and then I also

while I appreciate the permanence of concrete materials I want to think

about our climate action goals and the amount of carbon is that is released into

the air and the creation of concrete materials so you know I think while

we're trying to encourage people to get out of internal combustion engine cars and

use their bicycles if we're also burning a lot of carbon at the same time it might

be antithetical to our goals and I would ask if it was considered as an

alternative to use some of the 100% recycled materials they're putting up what

are called armadillos the rubberized you know kind of croissant shaped easy to

install they allow for the permantability as Michelle Allison requested where you

can offset them they're mountable by emergency vehicles a little softer to

you like you hit one a little more forgiving if you're on a bicycle on a

concrete curb and from what I understand very quick to install my group of three

people can install hundred of them in a day you know we put just a little grease and a

drill so this question there yeah they would do we consider armadillos or any

rubberized materials and alternatives to concrete I don't recall armadillos coming

out did we did we look at those I don't believe we did but we have had

experience with them and this this projects is really we're I would classify the

armadillos maybe as more of a quick build solution and the project that we're

looking at is kind of a little more of a medium term after you do the quick build

but it is that I would definitely recommend it as to look at because we've

had other clients and cities around the country that we were worked with that do

use those armadillos to great effect and yeah it's yeah that's something we can look at

they also kind of cute I like to see a city full of armadillos nothing too it just

came to my mind is um Sacramento I've looked at my whole life and I've seen

through many years great projects go in and then you know either lack of

coordination or emergency utilities repair you know at great detriment to the

installation that was just put in where the armadillos would be able to be

unbolted move if you had to take off a couple of them you wouldn't have to you

know break up a whole line or again the non-permitable concrete pavers could have

so much damage you have to replace the whole whole street if you had to do

significant PG&E utility line work so another thing you know in our city where

we have an aging city it's over 150 years old our utilities are all well

beyond their useful life and they're failing kind of unpredictably you know so

with our best intentions we do this really great work and then shortly

thereafter rip it out thank you

Vice Chair Gonzales if I may just make comments on that last point and the city

has a number of new policies to help avoid that very issue so we we have a

paving moratorium policy so that if we've repaved these streets there are

Adam three to five years right five years five years five years before that

street can then be opened up again and so part of our team's effort is

coordinating with the utility companies our partner agencies that are digging up

the streets to get to the infrastructure under the ground so that they know what

we're doing in advance so that they don't tear up the great work that we just put in

and then if work is going on our streets we have a new requirement of lane lane

stripe to lane stripe so you're not tearing up part of the bikeway and then

have a lovely seam up the middle exactly where you'd like to bike and it making it

a little bit uncomfortable so that policy is now in effect and then of course our

new works on detour policy is in effect so that when they are doing

construction in the right-of-way that better accommodations for people walking and

biking are implemented well thank you very much that's wonderful to hear again as a

lifelong resident I can't tell you how many times over the years it's my great

chagrin I saw really good work it ripped up very shortly thereafter again and you

know I'm glad we have the coordination of planning but we do have a lot of

emergency work also that that you know failures of pipes and whatnot underground

that probably negates the policy but awesome that we have it that sounds really

great thank you Commissioner Harris yeah thanks for the great presentation it's

really exciting and I know there's a strong preference for these separated

bikeways and I know also that a lot of these studies that we did locally and

pilots were in the central grid so can you talk a little bit about how you

adapted your policies or what you look at outside of the the grid how would these

policies be put into you know different sorts of neighborhoods that aren't you know

the standard rectangles might be narrower may not have the availability are these

just gonna be passed by I'm just a little concerned about potentially investing

even more money in places that already have bike lanes when we know that there's

plenty of places in the city that don't and I'm sure you guys have thought about it

but I'd like to hear a little bit more about that thank you oh yeah absolutely I

appreciate the question so these would just be other options for the city in terms of

like standardizing the next step from like the case of new one posts for example of

a separated bikeway the the bikeways or the roadways that would be chosen for

separated by way be dictated by the bicycle master plan which is will be soon be

updated with the streets of people plan which will then go through the

transportation priorities plan which will then give us those high low medium

priority projects which will then be funded through that priority

prioritization process so I imagine there will be a number of class four

separated bikeways outside of the central city that will be considered for

separation treatments like this yeah

Commissioner Watwani

thanks for a great presentation the intermediate I think that you were

talking about where it's three levels out of curiosity so I've always thought of that

as a fairly elegant but perhaps more expensive solution do you have

statistics on in terms of safety how it works compared to separated bikeways where

there is a barrier I don't have statistics for the difference between a

separated bikeway like with K71s as opposed to intermediate I don't know if you have

that top of my but I I know there is data okay we could probably yeah it's fine

that's a great question yeah yeah but yeah just overall the separation does

increase comfort as well as safety for users so overall it's more safe thanks

Commissioner Moore I'm sorry Commissioner Gibson

it's okay so first of all thank you very much for the presentation Andrew appreciate the work you and your firm do I really wish this was already here because we see a lot of designs come through that a lot of us as commissioners want to go further I know you weren't here last month but Commissioner Hyatt wanted to really change the roadway design proposed next to the high school in my district for my community and the inter-

intermediate level separate bike lanes could have easily probably met the concern from another commissioner and I thought would have been better design so I wish we had these already available as kind of standard practice

so just first of all thank you for bringing this when it comes to these different interventions I assume there might be a ballpark cost for each of these I've obviously you can't give any specific numbers but I just can be curious if you can let us know about any

rough cost from comparable cities about the different interventions here either just materials obviously labor changes a lot but like materials like are we looking at a dollar a foot ten dollars a foot a hundred dollars a foot transportation is very expensive wouldn't be surprised if that's the answer

I'll take this and I'll kick it over to you

it's a I think it's a balancing act right also the K71 post which currently have right now does have maintenance involved costs they get knocked down we have to replace them so there's costs already involved with the separation treatments and I think if you look over a lifespan of say a K71 it might actually in the long run might be cheaper if you have a concrete barrier because they're a little more durable you wouldn't have to replace them with as much frequency as you do

with maybe a K71 so I don't have those numbers per se but that is something that we looked at with this project was like what's the longevity and the overall lifespan of one of these different treatments and is it actually in the long run maybe even cheaper than a K71 for example

yeah I would love to see the city of Sacramento buy that curb installer that I know the city of Santa Monica has I will I'll be happy to vote to raise my taxes to build one of those

the extruder yeah yeah if you had any rough cost estimates rough cost estimates the extruder since well if there is that initial capital cost of the extruder itself but after the fact the extruder would be potentially the same around the same cost as the precast curb which are those modular curbs

I can't really give it does vary from region to region about the costs

but it is and it is more on the high like it is concrete is more labor intensive install

so it say being the higher of your estimate but I can't give you

yeah yeah no worries about that I know that's not the purpose of this I just want to ask

and just want as we as commissioners and community members care about transportation

our cars cause so much wear and tear on the roads getting that mode shift towards more walking and biking and motility devices could actually save a lot more in the long run if this slightly additional I won't say slightly additional capital costs into more roadways so again thank you and I love to see a lot of these thank you

commissioner moore

commissioner moore

want to say thanks both to the city and all the tool staff that worked on this it is really exciting to see the city take the initiative on this

couple of comments and we're going to get into the weeds at an engineering colleague that also looked at some of these who was really excited about it but

I didn't see it required but reflectors on the precast or extruder curves would be nice to see maybe not required just to not add

mandatory complexity or cost but

where you do have these really long sections I think downtown it's a little easier to see the distinction but as you get out and there's just more gray in the landscape I think it

would be helpful to have reflectors both for drivers and cyclists to see

nitty-gritty of that a colleague of mine just recently had to retrofit a class four

facility that used the K1

markers and then they upgraded them to the queue the issue being that the K1s

were slightly shorter so that vehicles exiting driveways their sight line over the hood they could not see those and ended up crashing into them a lot so they use slightly higher ones

for whatever that's worth

there was an example of it and see this in any official city plans but of the mixing zone where you still had retained physical protection but

the driver or vehicle would then enter a shared use space that is now physically constrained both on the curb and the class four I think it would

just feel more comfortable and I don't know the statistics but maybe be safer to just allow that to be open rather than having that physical constraint there

next day lighting so some of the the gaps in parking and spacing and I know this is going to be contentious with those people who don't get it or think they do

but two considerations one when you have the bike lane on the right side we have parking ADA and then a gap if both the traditional parking space and the ADA are filled you're only getting about 20 feet of actual visual

indication between the cyclist and the driver if we could lose that traditional parking space that would give another 20 feet and then if somebody's using the ADA space it's not as big of a deal but if you have both of those occupied you'd be really limited in what drivers and cyclists can see for each other and

as they approach the intersection if you have the bike lane on the left on the one way like we do for P and Q and I don't know if there are plans elsewhere in the city but one way roads with class fours on the left that is where I almost get hit the most I think drivers are just not expecting cyclists to be coming on the left so again if we can extend some of the day lighting or remove a parking space on whenever those instances occur I think that would be really helpful as well.

And then lastly there was an example of the truck apron there's only one on the corner extension it looked like the radius of that and the stop line for the cyclist suggested also it goes directly into the corner of the curb and so I imagine if a truck is utilizing that a large truck is utilizing that truck apron it's just going to keep smashing into the corner of that curve and then that's going to crumble pretty quick so I'm not sure if the distance between those two is enough that the tire will miss it or if we can move the curb back or the apron to have a slightly

larger radius that would be I think helpful long term overall loved it thank you appreciate it let's go team.

Thanks David you're hired.

Commissioner Banks.

Thank you thanks also for the presentation I think it's great I echo a lot of what everybody said here I want to just double down on the permeable and the size of those things I'm less in favor of armadillos because in low light conditions it's not a lot of the size of those things.

I'm less in favor of armadillos because in low light conditions they're really hard to see both for cyclists and for vehicles and I do know that West Sacramento use them at least temporarily on some of their work and people went down and I heard about it.

We got calls at Saba for to get those out of there as soon as possible so I like the larger ones that were in your presentation and I really want to double down on making sure that there is reflectivity on those things because again in low light conditions and in the city where we have a lot of tree foliage and it's hard it's very dark riding down our protected bike lanes in the city especially in the winter.

It's hard to see and we have to manage over leaves and all sorts of other debris that's often in our bike lanes so anything that we can do to make sure that we can see those things is really key. Thanks.

Thank you.

My concern is you've talked about how to stop sort of barriers for accessing trails but there are barriers that exist that should be looked at and redone.

I'll give you three examples.

One is a bike trail side streets and there are access points that require three or more 90 degree turns in order to get from the trail to the street followed by a six inch curb on a sidewalk.

That is not good for it's maybe good for pedestrians and it certainly would keep cars out but it is very dangerous for bicyclists.

Another one would be access to a trail at a four way intersection where the only safe access point is from one of those three directions of traffic.

I can give you later the exact locations of these things.

A bike trail that ends at a street and there's no access point there's a curb.

And so I know you're looking at adding things but I think there needs to be some address the topic of barriers that already exist that should be redesigned.

Thank you.

If I may take that Jeff.

Chair Hodel some of our shared use paths are on levees or waterways and we do not have jurisdiction about what type of barrier is allowed.

And most water agencies require those types of gates at the entrances when we put a shared use path on top of a levee type of thing.

Or a top of a levee it's not a levee thing it's a levee.

And so we hear you.

However it's generally out of control of what the city can install or manage.

But we absolutely hear you about maybe some of the shared use paths not having ramps to get on or off.

And if you have specific locations of issues where the shared use path is difficult to access also please let us know.

Okay none of my examples had to do with a levee.

Okay.

So yeah.

Interesting.

Okay.

Also I want to add on to that we are this does look at existing ballers that shared use paths because they are inconsistent in terms of how they've been implemented not to mention the ballers themselves.

Some of them are foldable some of them are not etc.

So trying to just standardize that across the board so that it's easier for us as the city to install and maintain but also as users to navigate and be more safe.

So.

Thank you.

Okay.

This item I believe is.

Oh I'm sorry.

Commissioner Hyatt.

Thank you Chair Hodel.

And thanks Jeff and team.

I love this.

I also really appreciate the comments.

of my fellow commissioners particularly highlighting the reflectivity.

I like the idea of the concrete ones because they might be more permanent.

But I also sympathize with the idea that they're going to be more expensive and absolutely as far as the overall carbon emissions and the production of them.

But certainly the visibility and as a member of the public spoke about the permeability and other commissioners.

So those are those are just I guess the highlights of potential improvements.

But otherwise this is the stuff I love.

Oh one question I had was the intermediate level bikeways.

This those would be awesome.

Of course very expensive.

And also whereabouts would what kinds of developments would we have those because I would love to see something like that in downtown.

However because of this structure of our city.

It's a grid structure.

Many European cities have these similar types of bikeways.

Some of them are not separated which that's I think an improvement that you guys have here as far as levels between pedestrians and cyclists.

But they also have these grand boulevards.

So you're on this route for quite some time whereas you know if we were to do something like that.

I just kind of wonder where we could have those because otherwise you'd constantly going you know up and then down into a gutter and then back up over a street and then back up onto your spot.

So I could visualize something like that like 65th Parkway and like long long routes.

What was that?

Capital.

Capital like Capital Mall.

Certainly.

Yeah.

Although there's you know we still because we're on the grid you know it's there's going to be lots of cross streets.

But otherwise I'm just kind of wondering where you could would visualize those.

Yeah.

I think 65th Street's a possibility given it was identified as a possible road diet in the general plan.

So there's the right of way there for you to do it.

It would just have to be when if and when we ever had the funds to do a full reconstruction of it.

Who knows when that will happen.

But it's a good candidate for that to possibly happen there.

We reduce the number of lanes and then you have that right of way space that you could possibly extend that.

Intermediate bikeway onto that space.

Well thanks a lot for your work on this and I can't wait to see this stuff get built in our city.

Yeah.

Commissioner Harris.

I mean I'm just going to put it out there.

160.

If we actually get it pulled out it would be a great spot for that.

I'm just get all the way out to Arden Mall it would be fantastic.

Thank you.

This item is review and comments so no vote is required.

We're going to move on to the next item.

Thank you very much.

Thank you.

The next item is number four.

The Two Rivers Trail Phase 3.

Is there a staff presentation?

Yes there is.

There is.

Good evening commission.

Thank you for having me.

My name is Adam Randolph.

I'm a senior engineer with our engineering services division in public works.

I have actually presented on this project one time before while we were in our feasibility phase.

And we are rolling into right of way phase or right of way phase.

Sorry I've had right of way conversations too many times on this project already.

Environmental phase very quickly.

So we wanted to give you an update as we're getting ready for that process.

As I said I presented to the commission before but I think we have some new commissioners since then.

So I'm going to go into the background on the overall trail network here.

Then dig into the specifics on different segments along this trail.

Overall Two Rivers Trail is part of the city's vision of having a continuous river trail network along both Sacramento and the American rivers.

We have already completed multiple portions of the American riverside of that.

Starting back in 2006 we completed our phase one construction which is a levee top trail going from to Scornia Park at the confluence of the American and Sacramento.

Sacramento River up to state route 160.

We're not going to talk about that project.

After that there was a fair amount of idle time.

I think there was also a recession which didn't help.

And since then we have been bit and piecing additional work.

Sutter's Landing Park actually has a fairly large amount of the trail segments that they completed themselves or that the parks department completed in 2016.

And I have been fighting for years now to complete what we're referring to as our phase two project.

Although I'll say to be project.

From H Street Bridge to Union Pacific Railroad at Sutter's Landing Park.

I will also point out that this map is city completed projects.

There's actually an existing trail segment as I'm sure everybody here already knows.

From H Street Bridge to Watt Avenue that is technically in the city.

It is a riverfront trail.

However, it is also considered all of this is considered part of the American River Parkway.

That segment Sac State to the city limits is maintained by county parks.

So it is absolutely part of this trail network.

It's just not something that we really touch on too much since we don't maintain it.

Going into the individual segments.

We talked about phase one, the levee top trail.

Phase two, believe it or not, is still in construction.

You can't really, well, you can tell that something's in construction out there.

Although you don't see a whole lot of trail being built.

We completed the segment from H Street Bridge up to what is affectionately referred to as the washout area in the levee and river park.

About a quarter mile short of business 80.

We completed that segment of trail last year.

There are actually a couple of maintenance issues that have popped up on there since we've completed construction.

We'll be touching on that when we finish the remainder of the trail, which is that segment of the trail.

Which is that segment you see in the dashed line there.

That work is on hold at the moment because we are waiting for the Army Corps to finish their construction through this area.

They have a bank protection project that is exactly overlapping that dashed line.

They promised to me that they will be done this year.

Which, if they hit their schedule, I will also be done this year.

And we will have our trail open for business.

Our phase three project is what we're really here talking about today.

This is a project where we are completing our last little bit of phase two, which is crossing underneath the Union Pacific Railroad tracks.

I will say that segment was removed from phase two and punted to phase three, specifically because of Union Pacific.

If anybody can visualize this area, this is one of those nice historic steel bridges that Union Pacific has.

Leading up to that steel bridge is an old wooden trestle.

If anybody remembers the trestle fire that happened, what, 15 years ago now-ish on the other side of the river, it's the same construction on the south side of the river as well.

Union Pacific is very aware of the danger of that and, therefore, is planning on replacing that trestle bridge with something that matches what they rebuilt on the other side of the river, concrete and steel trestle.

ц.

On this side of the car is planning to keep the monstalle too iaq in a similarrendale.

if not on the tail end of next year,

to complete that last little trail segment in there.

Continuing, oddly enough, east to west in this case,

we see the segment of our phase three project

that is in the middle of Sutter's Landing Park.

What this is is tying into the trail network inside the park,

picking it up at the dog park in Sutter's Landing,

if anybody can visualize there.

You know, I think I can actually, no, I can't zoom in more.

I'm sorry.

And I can't go backwards either.

There we go.

Picking up the trail at the dog park,

running down what is actually technically A Street through there.

Currently, it's a large, heavy rock road

that sees a lot of truck traffic.

We are actually looking at separating that off,

building a class one trail on the south side of that right-of-way,

and then rebuilding the gravel road for heavy trucks

and maintenance vehicles on the north side of that right-of-way.

It will run down to the Smud substation,

hang a heavy right at the substation.

The reason we're doing that,

the reason it's such a sharp angle there,

is just that there are a lot of right-of-way constraints out there.

We'll be following along the property line up to the levee

and effectively ending the trail at Union Pacific Railroad once again.

For sake of this project,

we are going to be tying into an existing maintenance road

that will allow for a loop through the park.

So it still provides an effective use for the trail, a nice ride.

It just does not provide the ultimate connectivity

that we're looking for to get across the railroad tracks,

tie into the SAC Northern Trail,

and tie into the Phase 1 Trail on the other side of State Route 160.

On the opposite side of the tracks,

we are looking at one other,

I'll say it's kind of an interim project,

connecting the SAC Northern Trail to Basler Street

is where we're looking there.

Basler Street follows down,

it's a very low-traffic roadway.

We're looking at a Class 3 bike path on Basler.

There's also going to be continuous sidewalk

that would go up to 16th Street.

There's a signal at that intersection,

so we would improve that signalized crossing

to allow for better crossings for cyclists.

That then continues to,

or up to 12th Street,

and will tie into the Dos Rios light rail station

that is under construction right now.

And we'll also make use of all of the improvements

going in with the Dos Rios station

to be able to cross trail users and pedestrians

to the 12th Street Class 4

that was built a few years ago.

That is our Phase 3 project.

That is what we intend to seek construction funding for

in the near future.

But there is also what we've identified

as a Phase 4 project.

And the Phase 4 project

is what would really close all of the gaps.

It's what we want to do,

and we need to find the money for.

We also need to prioritize it

to be able to find the money for it.

This section is looking at

a crossing of Union Pacific Railroad tracks,

as well as a crossing under State Route 160.

Crossing of the railroad tracks

would be required to be an overcrossing.

I hate to say that because I know nobody likes them,

but Union Pacific is Union Pacific,

and they will not let us do anything else.

We've been trying since 2012 to do something else,

and this is the most give they've given us.

Overcrossing over the tracks,

and then we would follow the levee down to 160.

We would cross under 160.

Crossing under 160 is not an easy effort either.

Not only are they old bridges,

there's also just not a lot of space under there.

It would require building some type of flood wall up

into the water slightly

to provide enough width

to get the trail underneath there,

and to both descend the levee

and climb back up the other side

to be able to tie into the trail.

So obviously neither of those

are inexpensive projects, I will say.

Both of those are going to take a lot of effort.

I think just engineering review

from Union Pacific is going to cost north of $300,000.

So we are trying to figure out how to do it.

The important part for this project right now

is we are including it

in our environmental impact report

in all of our assessments

so that we have cleared the way for it to,

or facilitated an easier effort in the future

when we can identify those funds.

Looking at the intersection upgrades along here,

I just thought I'd throw these in.

I mentioned going through Sutter's Landing Park.

This is the intersection

of McKinley Village Way and 28th Street.

We'll basically be building this out

as a full intersection.

You see the driveway into that gravel road right now.

I wish I had a laser pointer on a computer

because pointing at the screen

doesn't do that much good.

But our trail would be the other side

of that gravel road.

So we would actually,

whereas right now there's just a five-foot sidewalk,

we would actually have a class one trail

crossing the backside of that driveway.

And then we would have a crosswalk

on the far side of this intersection as well

that would tie into that ultimate trail alignment

following the other edge of that gravel road.

16th Street and Sparrow Avenue.

Sparrow Avenue.

That should be 16th Street and Basler, I believe.

Oh, it's Sparrow on one side, Basler on the other.

Sorry.

We are, again, this is where we would be looking

to improve the signal crossing.

We would have video detection in there

that could pick up bikes in the roadway.

We would have improved crosswalks.

We would look at what's necessary

to ensure safe crossings at this location.

And then 12th Street and Sparrow,

again, we're, I wish I could, or had a rendering.

I asked RT for a rendering

of what the station was gonna look like

and they didn't have one for me.

But we'll really be tying into the station improvements

and utilizing those for our crossings on here.

So current focus for the project.

I mentioned last time I was here

it was for the feasibility study.

This time it is for,

or we are getting ready to kick off

our environmental review.

I believe I, if I don't have a review copy

in my inbox right now,

I will very, or very soon I'll be reviewing

the draft EIR and our intention is to publish it

in the end of July for public review.

So comments will be open hopefully sometime in July,

if not then early August

and through the entire month of August.

We are also looking at identifying construction funding

right now for those phase three improvements

that I mentioned,

which basically means we're looking

at what grants are available

and what we can apply for.

We're fine tuning our,

at least planning level costs

to ensure that we're asking for enough

because even though we're not doing

the big expensive crossings yet,

we're still building on top of a landfill.

So unfortunately this is still a challenging project.

For this environmental document,

we are looking at a subsequent EIR.

What that means is when we did our phase two project,

we actually did an EIR for it,

looking at the vast majority of this work.

What we didn't analyze with that document

is the overcrossing with Union Pacific.

We were still banking on being able

to go under the tracks at that point.

Since we have gained some clarity

on that issue at least,

we understand what's going to be needed now.

We're doing the subsequent EIR

specifically to look at the visual impacts

of that crossing.

We've also confirmed that the impacts analyzed

in the original EIR are still adequate,

which they are.

So that's really the main purpose

of that subsequent is to look

at those visual impacts.

But we are still open to all comments

on the document.

Looking at the overall schedule

for our current effort on phase three,

again, right now we're preparing the draft EIR.

It'll be open for comments very soon.

If you're signed up for the Two Rivers mailing list,

it'll go out to the entire mailing list

when that comes available.

We are looking to receive comments

by basically the end of August,

although those exact dates will be published

with the EIR.

And then we're looking to finalize it

by the end of the year.

I included these just to have them.

There's a link to our EIR page

where the document will be available.

More importantly, there's a link

to my project webpage,

which will have easier links

to follow to that document anyway.

And then we are working

with our planning department

in community development,

and Ron Bess, our associate planner,

will be collecting all of the comments

for this document.

The project as a whole,

once we get through environmental clearance,

hopefully by the end of this year,

it'll most likely extend slightly

into next year to get it to council

for approval.

We'll then be entering

into our final design effort.

Assuming that we can secure that funding,

then we should be ready to build

in the summer of 27 construction season.

With that, I'm happy to answer any questions.

Thank you very much.

Clerk, are there any members of the public

who wish to speak on this item?

Thank you, Chair.

I do not have any speaker selects on this item.

Okay.

Are there any commissioners

who wish to speak on this item?

Commissioner Moore.

Can you, thank you for the presentation

and just probably the years of dedicated work.

Can you elaborate on the enhancements

that are going to be taking place

at Sproul and 16th?

I think that was,

or Sproul and 12th,

to connect to that.

I can't elaborate that much

because I don't have that much

of RT's plan work.

What I can say,

one thing that we looked at on here,

and I will say we looked at,

from a feasibility standpoint,

we looked at Class 3's on these roads,

we looked at Class 4's on these roads as well.

There were two big factors for this.

One was,

there's just extremely low traffic volumes

on these roads.

The other is that

the Class 4

from 12th Street

to Sproul that exists right now

is,

it's a very convenient spot

for when it was built.

It's very difficult to enter into

from this side.

That's,

I think,

more of my concern,

less on the roadway,

but to actually cross over

to the 12th Street facility,

that Class 4 there.

Yeah,

I think without any kind of,

like,

dedicated bike signal

or anything,

especially traveling west

from this perspective,

a cyclist going,

either has to kind of

follow traffic,

curve around,

and then kind of bend back out

to the right

to get into the facility

or if they try to go straight across,

they're kind of going

into some of the oncoming lanes

a little bit.

So just curious if we can either,

yeah,

isolate from a signal perspective

or provide more dedicated

crossing enhancements

at this point

to get them across safely.

And I will say

we're looking at that in design.

We're seeing what we can do.

At a minimum,

and this is not a question

or an answer

this commission likes,

at a minimum,

there will be far better

pedestrian crossing options

out there,

which means there will be

crosswalks that cyclists

obviously would also utilize.

But that would create

essentially a two-part crossing,

and I know that's

never the desire.

Got it.

So we're looking at

what can be done.

I think most are aware

that this is a very

challenging corridor.

If the project

that will not be named happens,

then it would get less challenging.

But for now,

these signals

barely function as it is,

creating a dedicated

bike movement in there

would most likely

break every signal

on here,

or on this corridor.

And I don't say that

so much as

because cars don't work,

bikes can't have it.

I say it because

when this corridor breaks,

it backs up

onto State Route 160,

and then Caltrans intervenes,

and that's when

we can't have it.

Got it.

Okay.

Thank you for that.

I appreciate it.

And for what it's worth,

I'm okay

even erring on the side

of supporting

the at-grade crossing

at the tracks.

I think for the cost

to do any kind of,

I don't know

if this would be

in the long-term plans,

but overhead

or underpass

of those railroad tracks

I think is so significant,

and we could use

that funding

for a lot of

on-street improvements

in other neighborhoods

that really need it

personally.

So if it stays at-grade,

I'm...

Are you talking

about these tracks,

or are you talking about...

No, the ones,

yeah, the proposed,

I guess, right,

east of, yeah, the...

I'll clarify that.

Right now,

we don't have

a technical crossing

out there.

What you see out there

kind of in the map

is a maintenance crossing

that nobody other

than American River

Flood Control District

is allowed to use.

Could be...

Is that not to be

opened up with this plan,

or is this a whole separate...

Union Pacific

will not allow us

to have a formal crossing

at-grade.

So you have to go

either up or under?

You either have to go

up and under,

and they won't let us

have a formal crossing

under within the floodway

either,

which is really odd.

I've been fighting

with them,

and it just...

They're a brick wall.

I long for the day

when they make things

easy on anybody.

Thank you for the presentation.

I long for the action

of Congress.

Yeah, thank you.

Commissioner Wadwani.

Thanks so much.

Great presentation.

I just want to make sure

I was tracking the scope

of the environmental...

the subsequent EIR

that you talked about.

So is it that

for Phase 4 then,

and the review of Phase 3

has already proceeded,

or is it both?

So it is for both.

Phase 3 is looking

at a little bit

of additional scope

that wasn't included

in the Phase 2 document,

specifically this line

on Basler and Sproul right here.

Technically,

that would be considered

a minor revision

and could probably be covered

under the Phase 2 document

that we have.

But since we have

that additional impact

for the Union Pacific crossing

that we're looking at,

as well as the State Route 160

undercrossing

that we would be looking at,

it's just all folded

into one document

to clear it out.

Okay.

And so when environmental review

is concluded

and you talked about

construction proceeding

starting potentially

summer of 2027,

that's Phase 3?

That would only be Phase 3.

That's only Phase 3,

but the environmental review

is broader.

From a CEQA standpoint,

the environmental review

would be done

for the Phase 4 project

as well.

Okay.

Okay.

Thank you.

That's very helpful.

Very excited for this.

Commissioner Banks.

Hi, Adam.

Thanks so much for all of this.

You know I'm a huge fan

of this whole project

and been working on it

for a lot of years

in support.

I am curious,

and I think I know

what your answer is,

but the piece

that comes out

of Sutter's Landing

where you're going to

kind of come up

and around

and come back down,

any cyclist will want

the path of least resistance

and would want to

just go along the river

river.

Did I just hear you say

that that trail

and because there's a trail

and road there

that syncs up

to where it's green,

that is unpassable

because it's Army Corps

of Engineers?

So we're,

are you talking about

between the green

and the dashed black?

Yeah,

the dashed black,

if it continued

to curve around the river

and then meet up

to the green

that is adjacent

to the river,

that little space

is where any cyclist

would prefer to go.

They'll probably,

if they could,

make their way there.

So,

this is going

into the weeds slightly,

but there are

two issues there,

which would be

two different property owners.

So if you look

on the map there,

there is the city's

corp yard

that's out there.

That one's not

really an issue.

We're not,

we're not on the levee top.

We would not have

a problem with cyclists

or with a trail

being open behind there.

But directly adjacent

to that

is harbor sand

and gravel.

So that's an active

industrial complex

out there.

They are actually,

to my understanding,

on high ground.

They're not even technically

on a levee out there.

And all of their offices,

all of their buildings

are on that high ground area,

which is where

the theoretical levee

would be.

So,

to cross through that,

you would effectively

have to condemn

the property

because they wouldn't

ever be able

to rebuild those offices

off of the levee.

Adjacent to that

is the kind of

open space

that you see out there,

right where the phase

on the phase three

bubble is.

Yeah,

it's where I want

to pump track.

So that is,

or that is

a property owned

by,

I believe,

the Deller Family Trust.

All that has on there

is a large radio tower.

Fun trivia,

it's a radio tower,

not a cell tower.

I was corrected

on that at one point.

We,

or the city

actually tried

to purchase

that parcel

the same time

we purchased

the Blue Diamond

parcel adjacent

to the Smud

substation.

we just couldn't

arrive at a price

that was acceptable.

Oddly enough,

we,

we landed in the middle.

The Deller Family Trust

said they wanted

more money

and the state

said they wouldn't

give us that much money.

So,

eventually,

it,

I think,

if we look at,

like,

the Setter's,

the Setter's Landing Park

Master Plan,

the vision would be

for all of this

to,

as,

get incorporated

into the city park

and when,

when and if

that happens,

yes,

the obvious thing

is we all want

the riverfront trail,

but that's just

not in the cards

right now.

That's all

outside factors

beyond just

municipal,

or municipal

purchases

and identifying

funding.

There's so many

fights.

UP,

I get it.

UP is a big

enough fight.

Yeah,

I get it.

Okay,

I just thought

I'd ask.

Thanks.

Thank you

very much.

There are no

other speakers

in the queue,

so thank you

very much.

Thank you.

Oh,

this item

is review

and comment,

so no vote

is required.

The next item

is public

comments,

matters not

on the agenda.

Are there

any members

of the public

who wish

to speak

on public

comments,

matters not

on the agenda?

Thank you,

Chair.

I have

three speaker slips.

Our first speaker

is Stephanie Duncan.

Good evening,

Commissioners.

My name is

Stephanie Duncan

and I live in

District 7.

For six years,

I've documented

ADA and safety issues

caused by e-bikes

and e-scooters.

Started with jump bikes

and now it's

bird and line scooters.

And despite rules

prohibiting sidewalk

riding,

underage use,

tandem riding,

improper parking,

these violations

happen constantly

and enforcement

is rare.

For parking,

the city's agreement

with scooter companies

requires retrieval

of scooters

within two hours

of reporting,

but that never happens.

In fact,

I have to report

a scooter more than once

to the 311 app

for improper parking

to even get a response.

I submit my request,

it's instantly closed,

and then I look

hours later

or even the next day

and have to submit again.

In the meantime,

sidewalks are blocked,

ADA ramps are inaccessible,

scooters are falling

over everywhere,

even near bike racks

because no one

actually locks them

to the bike racks,

and these hazards

are especially impactful

for people with disabilities.

I've sent many emails

and photos over the years

to Jennifer.

Jennifer.

And the usual response

is, you know,

we're educating people,

putting better signage

on the scooters,

having limited enforcement

by police,

but after six years,

it's obvious

this is not working

and education

is not enough.

Most users ignore the rules

because they couldn't care less,

they have no meaningful consequences.

But the companies

that own the scooters

have technology

to track them.

All the scooters

have GPS in the app,

they show them

little letter P's

where they can park,

they have the ability

to know when scooters

are parked improperly.

It's a perfect opportunity

for the city

to require the companies

to issue automatic fines

for improper parking.

We shouldn't be relying

on 311 reports.

Other cities have suspended

or banned scooters

for failing to meet

safety and accessibility standards,

so I urge this commission

to prioritize residents

by recommending

that the city require

real enforcement

by the companies themselves,

audit company compliance

to ensure they are

passing on fines

to users

and revoke permits

of the scooter companies

to even operate

if the violations continue.

Thank you.

Thank you for your comment.

Our next speaker

is Karen Korb.

Good evening,

commissioners.

My comments echo

what Stephanie Duncan

has said.

I have also been documenting

serious ADA

and safety issues

caused by shared rideables

in the 311 app,

despite rules

against sidewalk riding

and improper parking,

violations are happening daily

and enforcement

is virtually non-existent.

I report and report

and report

and nothing changes.

Sidewalks remain blocked,

posing real risks,

especially for people

with disabilities.

I know that you've been

focusing on education,

but after years,

it's clear this isn't working.

It's time to start issuing fines.

These companies,

like Stephanie said,

have GPS and in-app maps.

They know exactly where

and when violations occur.

Start with small fines

for the first violation,

increase it for repeat offenses,

and after three,

the rider should lose access.

It's as simple as that.

Other cities have suspended

these programs

for failing to meet

safety standards.

I don't know why Sacramento

is not looking at that.

So I urge you

to hold these companies accountable.

Require enforcement

and revoke permits

if violations continue.

Public safety in Sacramento

must be a priority.

Thank you.

Thank you for your comment.

And our last speaker

is Dan Allison.

Dan Allison.

Good evening, commissioners.

Dan Allison again.

I just want to bring up

the topic of red light cameras again.

I've talked about it before.

We have an epidemic

of red light running

in Sacramento.

It's also a nationwide problem,

but my observation

is that it's worse here

than in other places.

And we need red light cameras

for automated enforcement

of red light running,

and we need them yesterday.

Thank you.

Thank you for your comment.

Chair, I have no more speakers.

Thank you.

The last item

is commissioner comments,

ideas, and questions.

Are there any commissioners

who wish to speak?

Yes, there are.

Commissioner Haupt.

Thank you, Chair.

Following up on the issue

of the scooters,

where are we in the process

of trying to get better compliance?

Commissioner Haupt,

I guess there are

a couple of different ways

to think about

the better compliance.

Enforcement of park scooters

falls under our parking division.

Enforcement of people

scooting on sidewalks

falls within our police department.

And then the regulatory framework

falls on my team.

I do not have staff at the moment

who are managing this program,

and I'm keeping it afloat

until I get some folks on board.

We do intend to update

our regulatory framework.

As soon as I have somebody

in that seat to manage that,

I have hired a consulting team

to look at best practices

to see what other cities are doing

so that we can get to better outcomes

for our cities.

My guess is that we will,

I think I'll have a new person

starting in late summer

and we'll onboard them.

And my hope is that

we start a process in the fall.

But the process to update

our regulatory framework

takes a minimum of 18 months,

and that's working at an expedited speed.

More realistic would be

a two-year program

because not only do we do

community engagement,

we need to work with our legal teams.

And then the process

to update city code is lengthy.

It includes review by our legal teams,

the DORC committee,

which I just happen to love the acronym.

I just had to say it,

Draft Ordinance Review Committee.

It needs review by

the Law and Legislation Committee,

and then finally City Council,

each of which is a process to get to.

But it's on our work plan.

Do we have any feeling

for how seriously

the police are taking this?

I get so frustrated

when I see people

riding scooters on the sidewalks.

I see adults carrying kids on scooters,

which they're not supposed to do.

These are the rental scooters,

not their own.

Is there some way

that we can get the police

to be more sensitive to this

and be more proactive

in stopping this practice?

I can't answer

for the police department,

Commissioner Hope.

That's outside of my purview.

But the police department

has been made aware

of these issues.

I think that's probably

the most I can answer now.

Thanks.

Commissioner Harris.

I was thinking

that we're halfway through the year.

And we talked

at the end of last year

about having a more robust process

and a new annual report,

not just having refining

our existing report.

I know I missed the last meeting,

and I don't know

if that had been discussed at all

and how we wanted to go about

having those conversations.

I know we can't meet outside,

and we have relied on people

working on their own

to draft some language

to share in this group

to include in the past.

And since we are not meeting

in July,

we all know we have

that extra couple of hours

where people could come up

with their own ideas

because you weren't going

to do anything else.

And so I didn't know

what people were thinking.

I don't know if we want

to have any discussions

about that.

Thank you.

Commissioner Banks.

Thanks.

A completely different topic.

I don't know if any of you

have been on the Del Rio Trail lately,

but there is new signage

on the Del Rio Trail

that basically is in alignment

with the American River Bike Trail

where cyclists go on the right

and walkers walk on the left,

which is similar to the ARBT.

I want to give a massive shout-out

to the American River Bike Patrol

who worked with the city's

parks department,

Jackie Beecham and Shannon Brown,

and they worked with public works

to get this done

because we've talked about it

for a lot of years

and haven't been able

to make much progress,

and I'm just really thrilled

that it has.

So we have another step

in consistency

in people using our trails,

which is great.

Thanks.

Commissioner Gibson.

Unfortunately,

since our last main,

there have been at least

two active transportation users

that were struck and killed.

a man on May 16th

who was 55 years old

was struck on Norwood Avenue,

and then at a late night

in a hit and run,

it was reported around 2.30

in the morning,

a 22-year-old man

was struck on near the corner

of J Street and 6th Street.

Thank you.

Commissioner Hyatt.

Thank you, Chair Hodel.

Just wanted to give a shout-out

to the city staff,

Jeff and Jennifer,

who ran that bike ride

that we did.

Bike with city staff.

And that was really well attended.

Several of us commissioners were there,

and it was fun to get out there

and ride together.

And in my first meeting,

I made a pledge

to get out to every one

of your districts,

so I hope that we can all

ride together in the coming,

well, sometime soon,

but not in the summertime

because it's just too hot

to get out there

for recreation for me, at least.

And then just lastly,

as the most,

previously the most junior commissioner,

just want to welcome

Commissioner Tao,

and I'm no longer

the most junior commissioner,

and it's wonderful

to have you here,

and I look forward

to getting to know you.

Vice Chair Gonzalez.

Thank you, Chair.

Two things to share

with the commission

and the public.

Tomorrow,

at 1 p.m.,

Mayor Pro Tem Eric Guerra

will be joined

by city staff

and committee members

to highlight

a new signal enhancements

and pedestrian-focused features

at 49th Street

and Broadway,

including protected

and permitted

left-turn signal phasing,

leading pedestrian intervals,

pedestrian exclusive signal phases,

and improved signage.

So if you want to check it out,

that's tomorrow,

1 o'clock,

49th Street and Broadway.

And I want to give kudos

to staff.

I want to give kudos

to Megan Carter,

Transportation Division Manager.

I've been working

with Megan

for quite some time

about some tactical urbanism,

quick-build projects

before it even came

to the city

as a potential policy,

and we have been talking

about some improvements

to 5th and 9th Street

and 2nd Avenue

for quite a while now.

All those corners,

thankfully,

were already daylit,

and now we're going

to be putting

in some vertical delineators

and crosswalks

to help persuade drivers

to drive slower

down that corridor

where they drive way too fast.

59th Street

between T Street

and Broadway

is on the High Injury

Collision Network,

and it is a complete

residential neighborhood

and people fly down it.

So I'm really heartened.

She's worked really,

really hard,

got all the designs

and approvals complete,

and the crews

are intended to be scheduled

to start the treatments

next week,

so I'm really looking forward

to that.

I hope it's kind of

like an example

of what we can be doing

in other areas.

We've been working

on this for a long time,

and now that we have

the quick build staff

coming online soon

and the money

to do these kind of projects,

I think this could kind of

be like an example

of what we can replicate

all over the city.

It's happening in Tahoe Park.

Thank you.

Commissioner Haupt.

Sorry to speak again,

but I wanted to follow up

on Commissioner Harris' comments

about the annual report.

I was at the Animal Wellbeing

Commission last night,

and they got a presentation

from the city attorney's office,

and they talked about

the city attorney,

the deputy city attorney,

talked about the appointment

of ad hoc committees

and did not mention

any limitation on them.

What is the status

of an ad hoc committee now?

Are we,

is the chair allowed

to appoint an ad hoc committee

that could work,

or start work early

on an annual report,

or is that no longer

our option to do that?

Commissioner,

my understanding is

that the rules

have not changed

and that it has to be

approved by city council.

City attorney Frye,

is that correct?

That's my understanding,

but we can look at it

in August and find out

if anything has to.

I'm not aware

of any changes.

Great.

I mean,

it certainly would be

very helpful

to have an ad hoc committee,

and I'm not volunteering for it,

to have an ad hoc committee

to begin working on that.

I think that would be

very valuable.

Commissioner Hoft,

we'll look into that

and report back

for the August meeting.

Commissioner Tell.

Thank you,

Chair O'Dell,

and thank you,

Commissioner Hyatt,

for the warm welcome,

and thank you,

all the commissioners.

I very much look forward

to working with you all,

and thank you so much

to the city staff.

I was just going to comment

on the comments

around the scooters.

I was wondering,

perhaps,

if we would be able

to consider asking

the companies

whether or not

they would be able

to assist us

in how that enforcement

can look like.

Perhaps we can invite them

to propose some ideas

or help us with enforcement.

So I just wanted to see

if that might be

an option as well.

Commissioner Tell,

I ask of them regularly.

I think that when we do

our community engagement

around developing

new regulations,

we will, one,

host what we call

a roundtable

with the business community,

the scooter companies,

and we can invite them

to the commission

when we are working

on that effort

to have a conversation

with them about enforcement

and what they can

and can't do.

Commissioner Moore.

Thank you.

A couple things.

I also wanted to comment

on Commissioner Harris's

maybe recommendation

to somehow work

on this in our off month.

I know we can't talk

to each other

outside of this setting.

Is there a way

to do that with city,

like if city staff

starts an email chain?

Is that an official,

just cannot,

okay, well,

I don't know how

to strategize around that,

but open to putting

some thought to that

in July

and maybe some pen to paper.

May's bike month

just wrapped up.

I'm not sure

how it's only the 12th,

but I just wanted

to give a huge shout out

to Deb,

the whole Saba team,

their staff,

all the volunteers they had,

everybody outside of Saba

that put on events

and just make that month

such a special month

for active transportation

and bikes in particular.

So thank you, Deb.

Thank you to your whole team

for that.

I recently became aware

of these kind of

commercial tow-behind

bike lane cleaners

that you can get

for like only five grand or so

and they have some

that push things to the side

for kind of more rural areas.

They have some

that pick things up

like a vacuum.

They have some that do both.

I think it'd be really cool

if the city explored

getting a small fleet of those

and just kind of allowing people

to rent one

or an organization

to rent one.

I know the city

probably can't start

having everybody

go out on their bikes

and towing those behind,

but I think that

there's enough people

that would,

or neighborhood associations

that could

and would be interested

in using that

in their communities.

I certainly would.

So if anybody's interested,

I'm happy to pass that along,

but I think that would be

a really interesting proposition

for the city to explore.

And then I'm blanking

on the last one,

and I don't have it,

so I'll pass along.

Thank you.

Commissioner Banks.

Thanks.

Thanks, David,

for the shout-out.

I appreciate it.

Quick thing on May of Spike Month.

We pedaled over 540,000 miles,

so half a million mile May,

and that's the equivalent

to saving 1,457 trees,

which is a really nice thing.

We put on over 78 events

during the course of the May,

which was a lot,

and we couldn't have done it

with all of our partners,

so there were a lot of people

that made it all happen.

And we're buying

one of those street sweepers,

so we can practice,

and maybe we can get

a little program going

so that people can borrow it

and rent it

and have a little,

adopt a bike lane,

because we only have

two street sweepers right now,

so we've got to do something

in the interim.

Thanks.

Commissioner Haupt.

I didn't.

Sorry.

Oh, okay.

Commissioner Hyatt.

Thank you, Chair.

Sorry to speak again.

Commissioner Moore spoke about,

you just want to follow up

on Commissioner Harris's comments,

and I wonder if the city attorney

can chime in here.

It's not my understanding

that we can't talk to each other

outside of these meetings.

We can't hold a meeting, correct?

We can't form a quorum.

Can you advise a little bit

on the Brown Act

and how the commission

might be able to work on

outside, you know,

not having to work

just individually

and preparing their report,

how the commission could work on it?

So could you comment

a little bit on that?

Yeah, I can comment on it.

Yes, you can.

So members can meet outside

of this meeting,

but they cannot discuss

commission business.

So if you're like that,

for instance,

if there's a dedication

or there's some type

of special event,

you can have a quorum

of members there,

but while you're there,

you cannot discuss

commission business

because it's not open

to the public.

You haven't posted it,

you haven't agendized it,

and the public wouldn't

have an opportunity

to have notice

and also be involved

and participate in it.

So if you're,

so for instance,

if you're circulating

an email

and then commenting

back and forth,

that will be a violation

of the Brown Act

because that will be

considered a meeting

outside of a noticed meeting.

That's assuming

that a quorum

is reached, right?

Or can a couple

of commissioners.

What if it's just two people?

Yeah, two or three people,

which is not a quorum

that are working

on something

that will eventually

be brought to the commission.

That's sort of

the definition

of an ad hoc.

So that's something

as I said before,

we used to be able

to have ad hocs

for commissions,

but then council,

under the council rules

procedure,

did away with that

without having

a board or commission

go through a process

of going to council

and getting permission

to have one authorized.

And it sounds like

that there might

have been a change

which we'll need

to look at,

whether that can be

something that can be

done by this commission

if that's what

they want to do.

Thank you so much.

Commissioner Harris.

Because I have good ideas

and I'm just going to,

you know,

I never try to share them.

We know that finances

are going to be

really difficult

and we spent

a lot of time

in our previous reports

for finding costs

that took a ton

of time and city staff.

So I would,

I'm going to make

the suggestion

for the sake

of expediency

that we be selective

and retain

the financial workups

that we have.

We can assign

a, you know,

escalation cost

if we decide

to keep them,

whatever makes sense.

but that the new ideas

we come forward,

we're not going to come up

with a magic pile of money.

We can ask again,

I'm always for that,

but I think we should

be thoughtful

about what sort of policy,

non-direct monetary asks

we can think of

and with some

of these challenges,

try to narrow

our list of wants.

Thank you.

Sorry,

I keep forgetting

to cancel,

cancel my request

to speak.

I remembered my

maybe 10th point.

It was around the,

it was around the scooters

and things.

I just want to be careful

that we're not entering

a maybe unintentional

double standard

of scooter riding

and people bicycling.

I fully acknowledge

that they are a hassle

the majority of the time.

I don't think

that they should be getting

in the way

of any ADA compliance.

That said,

they are riding

where they feel safe.

It is not because

there is a lovely path

or protected opportunity

for them to take

those scooters.

It is because

they are probably riding

on a busy street

or they don't feel safe

or they don't have

a safe way to ride them.

So I just want to be

cautious that we're not

isolating them

where we do allow

bicycles to ride

on the sidewalk legally

unless the sign is posted

otherwise in the city.

I know that that's not

the case for scooters,

but I just want

to be cautious

of that line

and I want to echo

I do not believe

in any kind

of police enforcement

for people bicycling

or riding on the sidewalk

or where they should not.

I would echo that

for people riding

scooters as well.

There are a lot

of people using a scooter

because they don't have

access to other means

of transportation.

I'm all for

programmatic reform

once the city

gets around to it

to have these companies

enforce them better

and to allow maybe

speed reductions,

other kind of interventions.

but I just wanted

to voice that.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Okay.

I see no more commissioners

in the speaker queue

so I'll be the last person

to speak.

I'm going to add,

well first of all,

Commissioner Tell,

thank you for your suggestion

regarding the rideables,

I mean the scooter issue

and the company involved.

I think that's a great idea.

Is this something

that Commissioner Tell

should perhaps put

on the commissioner's log

and if that's a yes,

could you work with him

to explain how that works?

Chair Hodel,

we will definitely work

with you on,

maybe we'll also do

a refresher on how things,

how a bill becomes a law,

how something gets

on the log.

Not in August

because we have seven items

currently planned

to be agendized for August

and we have our time limits

but maybe for September

or October.

It could be a request

for the log,

however,

we are already intending

to do that

as part of our work plan

to update our regulatory framework

because of course

we're going to come before you

and ask for your input.

And so I can commit

that we will do that

but I will also circle back

with you on the log item.

Thank you.

And my final item is

I'm going to put on the log,

I would like an update

from the city

about the daylighting law.

How are they educating

the public?

What are their plans

for implementing?

And what's their general plan

for making our streets safer

and making that law look like

it's happening and working?

Chair Hiddell,

we will follow up

as part of the process

for getting something on the log.

There are four questions

that have to be answered

including how does it,

just to summarize for everybody,

I don't have all the four questions

off the top of my head right now

but how does it fit

within your purview?

And the other big one is

how does it align

with the equity statements

that the commission adopted

a few years ago?

So we will follow up

to get that information

and then for those of you

who don't remember,

we will,

Jeff will draft something up

in collaboration

with Chair Hiddell.

It will be on

for consideration on the log

when you vote on it

in August

and then it officially

will be on the log

come September.

And so just a reminder

of how that process works.

Thank you.

This concludes today's agenda.

Thank you everyone

for your participation.

The meeting is adjourned.

the meeting is adjourned.

See you next year.

Have a good summer.

Have a good summer.

Yeah.

I don't know.