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Chair.

Members, if you could please turn on your microphones.

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Members, the menu, then, is currently absent.

Member Yinosa.

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Vice President Ellis.

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And President Smith.

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Please rise for the opening acknowledgments in honor of Sacramento's Indigenous people

in trifles and the Pledge of Legends.

Local people of this land, the Nussanan people, the South Maidu Valley and Plains Miwok,

Catwin, Windton peoples, and the peoples of the Olden Rancheria.

Sacramento is only federal.

Right.

May we acknowledge and honor the native people who came before us and still walk beside

us today on these ancestral lands by choosing to gather today in active practice of acknowledgement

and appreciation of Sacramento's Indigenous peoples.

Are there any members of the public who wish to speak on the consent calendar?

Thank you, President Smith.

I have no public speakers on the consent calendar.

Okay, the first item on the consent calendar is the approval of the online and birth

of the National Memorial Fund Commission.

For a distributed electronic.

Are there any staff report?

Are there any commissioners who wish to speak on the consent calendar?

Are there a motion and a second to approve?

Should we do both at once?

Oh, okay.

All right.

Typically we do the full consent calendar in one, but you may pull anyone for a separate vote.

If you have any one item on the consent calendar, the second item that was listed is a raise.

Thank you, Mr. Chair.

For the consent.

Member Yonez is absent.

Vice President Ellis is absent and President Smith.

Yes.

Thank you.

The motion passes.

Now proceed to the discussion calendar.

Item two, which was inaccurately listed under the consent calendar, is a raise.

Member Yonez, please.

I just wanted to mention this is an updated version.

The actual reports in the summary were distributed electronically.

I received a report afterwards.

Those are noted on here.

Just a few outstanding.

I still have some outstanding.

These ones have not been turned in yet.

The three highlighted without a date have not yet been turned in.

I will be back.

For the record, member Zamanidin, a riot has arrived at the meeting at 5.44 p.m.

It was mentioned here that we did not get to report for the meals on wheels.

The national youth you happen to have that with you.

Yeah, I had some schedule conflicts that kept pushing the meetings back, but I have a schedule for the second week of next month.

Thank you, President Smith. I have no speaker slips on this item.

I also know vote is required.

Move on to the third item.

I have a staff report for 2024.

As with the site visits, I did distribute electronically.

I did distribute this summary.

I have a report that I have not yet submitted.

I would add that every year we send out a reminder approximately two weeks before it's due.

We follow up on the report.

We have not turned it in by the due date with a second email.

We will even call if we haven't received it.

We do make quite a few tips to get through.

I don't know what's up with travelers.

You can see in the date received column at the far right.

You can see most of them are getting in on or before the date.

We did include the grant guidelines and funding agreement in your packet only because if you opt to have repercussions late reports then there are probably some changes that need to be made.

I think that's a good question.

Those attempts saw are we to assume that there was no contact.

No one was spoken to saying sorry this is late.

We're in the process of getting it to you.

I can probably reach out again and see what they have.

Change is a personnel.

They didn't mention anything about the report to her what she did her visit.

If there's a change of personnel I receive an out of office message from back and letting me know the new.

Not sure what's going on I will try to call.

Same person.

My attitude is cut him off.

We don't have anything.

That's the discussion we had to push because it wasn't on the agenda last time.

There will be a deadline after which we cut them off.

Should there be a repercussion for being late?

This is unusual.

So are we supposed to be having a discussion on what we're going to do with that?

Is that the goal of right now?

We want to proceed.

If we want to do anything about what they get the grant because they get sent out a package of stuff about.

We want to change anything in there that says people who do not submit.

They report by X number of days following.

I will not receive the second.

Out of money and maybe disqualified.

All things we could consider doing.

And would that money then go back into the pot for the following years that how that works.

So whatever the amount is they would just add that back to it.

When we have funds.

Actually the funds will just stay.

We re issued the checks from.

We would have that much more money.

Actually have a pretty good amount this year.

I think it's 180,000.

Went up a little bit.

I don't think it could impact this year.

It says we're discussing it now so that the 2025 recipients would have it in their grant agreement.

This is a repeated, not this particular organization, but there are others that have previously done the same thing.

I know Barbara has her team has constantly requesting the reports and they don't respond.

And I think we need to react to it and say, okay, we're not responding.

We just want to get the money.

We need to stop.

I feel we need to be a little bit more strict with the money because those that can use it can benefit the intent target.

We're not helping the community right now just because they're not want to report.

It's a simple document.

It's not a SAT essay.

The current policy is that the report is required for the payout.

Yes, they know that.

So it's just a matter of whether is there a deadline in the July or August or something that you would want to put in place.

So Mr. Sherman, I propose that we move to remove this particular organization, Traverse 8 Emergency.

And this qualified them.

They're already not going to get their second check.

Right.

So I think we have to consider two things.

One is that we want to have a date certain that if today is January or excuse me July 15th.

That on August 15th.

Automatically become ineligible for the rest of their.

Again.

That's correct.

Yes, sir.

I think for how long they can't read one year.

I think we're one year.

Yeah.

It's it's happened before you're experiencing one right now.

I have experienced many before.

And it's just habitual.

That's what I'm finding there's no consequence for not turning in.

We need to provide a consequence.

Your kid turns into this is a SAT exam at a certain time.

I think he loses it right.

That's that's learn behavior.

We have to teach.

The thing that concerns me.

Our incident instance is that we don't know for sure if anybody reached out.

No, they followed up by email.

They usually call them.

But because.

Nobody ever called them.

There.

I don't want to penalize him for.

We don't know.

We don't know.

We do have a commissioner.

We present.

And communicated with them.

And nobody offered.

We don't in our site visits.

We don't.

We don't ask about their report.

As our like our site visits are.

Are usually June.

I and these are the.

The due date is in July.

So.

We're going to be able to.

I'm going to be able to.

And then.

If we don't have it.

And.

Second half this year.

I'm.

I'm bivling a little bit about.

I'd like to hear from others.

I'm going to be able to.

Is.

A section that addresses this which is to be.

On the.

This is what we need to function.

Now and.

But it does say that it's the city manager or the city manager's

manager's.

That could suspend the payment.

Who would qualify.

Good evening.

I'll have to get back to you on that to determine how the city

manager determines who's design.

I'll get back to all of you.

Thank you.

Thank you.

The payment suspended effectively.

I don't turn it.

How they receive it.

It is but it.

If the only one that can decide that we're not going to pay it

out at all because it's gone on too long would be the city manager

or the.

Is there a date.

Like a cut off by November.

Not right now.

Turn it in in 2025.

We're not going to back pay for 2024 right.

We're not going to back pay for the year.

We're not going to back pay for the year.

The cut off is probably effectively at the end of the year.

Right.

Because all the all the money has to be expended within the within

that grant here.

Okay.

So in reading this there is no date in here.

This requires hearing.

The suspended period.

Is that already speaking to us.

Okay.

It's automatic.

Don't request a hearing.

See that before we say you can't.

Apply again next year.

As you didn't submit.

It's timely.

I'm not going to.

Whether or not they would.

Automatically be suspended.

I was trying to replay that back.

So the way that we read this.

Or this section is that if they are suspended, then they do get a hearing to almost like appeal that suspension.

And then if they are.

Decide not to come or not to appeal, then it would become automatic.

And is that forever or is this suspension for.

And that's what it doesn't say in here.

Right.

Unfortunately I don't see a time period in the current guidelines.

So it would just be your suspended forever.

The agency will be barred from applying to receive funding from the commission.

Okay.

So it's only for a year then.

Okay.

I mean that sounds reasonable then.

Right.

So I would be opposed to them not being able to apply for funds ever again.

How does the hearing take place is that the next meeting or is it a special meeting.

There is some language in here that talks about certain calendar days.

So I would have to work with you in the clerk's office to kind of do the math backwards.

Because I believe they have to have certain days for notice and then certain days to do the hearing.

So it would likely be a special meeting unless we want to do the calendaring tour works with the November meeting.

As that we sent them a letter saying they're suspended.

And then they have 10 days to appeal it.

And at the next regular or special meeting.

The commission will conduct the public.

We wouldn't call a special meeting.

Our most circumstances.

The one year revocation is already implemented here.

Could we instead maybe just implement a date for instead of immediately have a date.

And then the document.

It currently do on July 15.

Or is that correct?

Barbara.

The reports are due July 15.

Those are the dates.

I don't.

I don't know who.

I have the dates that people we had a people submit them on the.

I have a question.

It seems like just one second.

It seems like as I read this that.

The first months will be.

It automatically.

The determines that an agency has failed to submit.

And we report.

So we're doing it.

We're doing it automatically.

But we're not providing him a notice.

And that notice is the.

Method by which they appeal and request a hearing of the.

Maybe there's a.

F missing here.

We are suspending it automatically.

But.

Aren't notifying them in writing that it has been.

Giving them the process for.

It seems to me like that's what's missing.

I think it's.

So I'd rather than.

Change the process which.

Is pretty clear to me.

I think.

Saying we've suspended.

The terms of defending an agreement.

The city manager shall notify the agency and writing.

And.

No I don't know.

Yeah.

I'll find that out.

I would almost imagine.

Sorry, Barbara, that it's going to be you.

Since you're the one that's been following up with them.

You would be the design.

I'll review back with our team and get back to you all by the end of the week.

And then how hard is it to update the.

The funding agreement.

I mean is that hard to do?

Can we just put in there.

715 if not received by one week.

It's suspended.

That's why we have it here because today if you all agree and you vote on it, then we can change it.

Okay. That's what I'm saying.

I think it's not by the week.

And then.

Whoever the design is, which will probably be bar where we'll send out the letter.

And then.

To appeal.

I think that's what we're going to do.

I think that's what we're going to do.

We're going to do that.

We're going to do that.

We're going to do that.

We're going to do that.

We're going to do that.

I guess my question is really quick.

Is it.

Does everybody think that one week is enough?

One week would be the 22nd.

I need to close out.

Oh, sorry.

He asked my motion on the floor.

There's a motion on the floor that we have to either.

Or die of lack of a second.

I haven't heard a second at this.

I have to deal with the most.

He had a motion.

I'm motion was to automatically this.

Suspend them for one year.

That's already in there.

Not hearing a second.

Jacob Redberg with the office of the city clerk.

I think that's what I'm going to do.

I think that's what I'm going to do.

The recommendation on the agenda does not speak of a motion.

So I need to turn it to our city attorney.

See if this is allowable under the Brown Act as it was not a

Gentize to have a motion the way I read it.

It seemed to be advice.

Advice staff.

I read the description accurately describes potential

repercussions.

So I read it to include the ability to do a motion by this

legislative body.

Thank you for clarifying.

I'd like to make a motion.

I'd like to motion that we that the January report or the

January report is due by July 31st.

And if received after August 15th.

There would be a suspension and the December report that is

due in with has been due January 15th is due January 31st.

And if not received by February 15th.

There is a suspension.

I would like to move forward.

More discussion.

More discussion.

Commissioner Corbis.

Are we letting that motion die for right now?

We're going to let you do that again here in a second.

There's no second right now.

Right.

Why did you want to move the date from July 15th to June?

I'm a finance person.

And I've not seen something that is the first half of the year

that's due within two weeks after the year.

Thank you for that.

So I feel that that's a short period of time to turn around a

report.

I have a question on how somebody can turn their report around

on July 1st.

I think that's been the money which they probably have

done because these are wonderful funds but they're small

compared in comparison to the total budget for the

recipients, the agencies.

But I think allowing them a little bit more time is

something that I felt from the beginning.

That's for clarifying that.

That's what I'm wondering.

And then right because as of right now we never had a

follow-up date.

It was always just like it was due this date.

So we're okay.

Motion now unless anybody else has a discussion.

One of the things about is that the city.

I law and so we can.

Okay.

Okay.

First by July 31st.

And we accepted after August 15th.

After you're funding.

After it's divided up.

And then righted up.

In January.

Another issue would be if we.

Rule up and have it also apply.

January report.

They may have already received funding for the next.

Pretty approved funding for them.

And so then if we approve funding and we.

Check goes out.

January 15th.

First check goes out.

Following years funds.

And then we're.

This first month we'd be moving everything a month.

Which passed the end of the month.

Parts to the date.

Filing it seems as if most of the other organizations are able to

file within the timeframe.

And then we're.

Not really sure what goes into making those sort of reports.

But it seems as if it's not as big of an issue.

I'm finishing my 12 13 years actually.

But here's my point.

They knew this before they got the funds.

They knew that July 15th cut off before they were granted the

funds.

And they know the dates.

Not like it's a surprise to them.

I don't.

I mean, I'm the recipient.

I would put that in my calendar.

First thing.

There hasn't been an issue.

Age or issue in the past.

I can't.

I'm going to do on the 15th.

And if haven't received it by the 31st.

They get the suspension letter.

That works.

That doesn't interfere with the.

The.

The challenge that we're trying to get over here.

How long.

Parts.

That is what.

For that next year.

So July 15th.

And the.

Letter.

Week after whatever the date is.

This question now how long should we wait before they go into

some sort of.

Right.

if we change it with automatic suspension

No, I think I'd like to with ride.

Okay.

I mean, based on the information, it's very clear to me why we have the dates that we do.

And I think that that's reasonable.

I think that I would like, as a comment, I would like to see that, as you were saying,

that we make it really clear if it's not clear in our information that we make it clear.

But as we can see, by and large, everybody apply, you know, they comply.

If we want a date that gives them a little leeway before they get the suspension letter,

then we do need to amend the funding agreement.

My recommendation would be 10 days.

We could do seven days.

But I think it would be good to have in there if they're due by the 15th and considered.

All right.

Considered suspension or considered for automatic suspension.

And that would, and the city would send out the letters on the 25th.

In language like.

After 10 days after it, the city shall move.

And to you that there are determined to be suspended failure to submit the semi annual.

That does that mean they have a timeframe to request a hearing.

And then, you know, that just is the timeframe for the city to send the letter.

The timeframe for the hearing and everything is in here already.

They have 10 days after the suspension notice is effective.

So this suspension notice would go out, say on the 25th saying you are here by immediately

suspended.

And then they would have 10 days after that date file an appeal.

They don't file an appeal.

Let's have a week.

They don't file an appeal by then.

They're automatically suspended for the next funding year.

Yes.

Technically we'll have 10 days, not a week after they've received their letter.

Right.

No, it's days after the letter is mailed to them.

But it's not technically mailed, right?

It's over email.

Do you do a hard, do you do a hard mail?

So I can't imagine that it's a hard, like, snail mail.

It's probably an email.

Does it notice like that have to go US mail or can it be emailed to an attachment to an

email?

Unless it's specifically called out in the code, I've seen it done both ways where someone

will send it out via email and send it out via US mail to.

But we could work with the clerk's office on how the standard procedure is for things

like that.

I think Jacob could probably answer that question better.

I can get back to you on that.

Unfortunately, I can't answer the question better.

So we'll be in contact.

Yeah, we'll work together.

So either by mail or email or both.

So the process doesn't have to be described in here.

We just have to describe the timeframe.

Correct.

So entertain a motion to add a statement that the city will notify the grantee of their

suspension on the 10th day following the due date.

May I ask for a point of clarification on the motion?

Is that the 10th calendar day or the 10th business day?

Probably should make it business days, right?

That potentially makes it 14 business days for 14 calendar days.

Alrighty.

Although we have actual dates in here July 31st to July 15th.

So we actually could just say if the report still has not been received on the 25th, then

the city shall issue a suspension effective with the date of the suspension notice.

So then if it's a weekend, they would mail the suspension notice Monday and then it

would be 10 days from then.

Would you like to make a motion like that?

Can I clarify?

Can we lock the wording?

That's what I was just going to ask if somebody would like to make a motion.

I'm fine.

I mean, so since this isn't a very common occurrence, is it worth the administrative hassle to even

add this into this agreement and add another sort of step for city staff?

The money is going back into the fund, into the pool, getting reinvested.

Well, technically because they have not been notified, they're being suspended under this

funding agreement, they could come back to us and say, I want my money.

That's what we're trying to do.

I didn't choose to send it to me.

And if we haven't sent a manotis of suspension, I believe we would probably have to give it

to them.

We're not going to provide this year.

We're not following our own grant guidelines for funding agreements.

So the only thing we need to add technically is the date of July 25th suspension letter

will be sent out.

Otherwise, everything else is the same in there.

The way it's worded right now gives us a leeway.

For instance, with with cabbler's aid, we could still.

Sorry, this whole suspension.

This year, this is, I mean, this isn't what we're doing right now is not for this year.

This is for future.

But I'm saying we put the 25th, it's going to draw a line in the sand.

I think as long as we tell them and we send this to them that we can draw whatever lines

we want as long as we notify people.

But somebody like to make a motion, I know this doesn't happen very often, but right now we're not really.

Let me try it.

Applying with what they've moved.

I moved to install and suspension.

That would be applied.

The suspension will apply on the 25th of July.

If not received by the 31st, they're suspended.

That isn't.

Is that the way you would?

That isn't right.

The court.

Somebody has a better way then.

I guess so to me, I mean, I guess there's two sort of competing issues that we're trying to grapple with.

One is, you know, we want people to submit their reports in a timely manner.

I mean, that's.

And in this particular, in this instance this year, we have an example of some.

A group hasn't submitted that report.

Although, you know, there have been other instances, although usually they get them turned in at some point.

It sounds like I'm relatively.

But then the flip side, and I think this is perhaps what you're getting at right now.

The way it's written, there is a lot of flexibility.

So, you know, there is a, you know, there's a, there's a, you know, how do you sort of negotiate the sort of the humanity of, you know, maybe there's some sort of, you know, emergency that's going on.

The situation or the people who are responsible for that particular grant management.

And they didn't deal with it.

And they didn't delegate it to somebody else who should have dealt with it.

And so the way it's written now, there is a lot of flexibility.

Whether or not we like that or not, you know, everyone.

We have the tools now.

We could say, you know, we should be submitting a letter right now because they we haven't received it.

And we could start this process today with travelers because it's already written out in our guidelines saying that we have the authority to issue a suspension notice.

Because they haven't met the objectives of the of the of the funding agreement.

And and and then they have 10 days to say, you know, wait, wait, I want to hearing and maybe they'll tell us that there were all these emergency or maybe this, yeah, I forgot.

I didn't put it on my calendar like I should have or maybe they're like, I was blown it off and, you know, I, you know, whatever, you know, I don't know what they're going to say.

But so I guess the question is, do we want to codify it so that we are extremely clear, which has its benefits for sure, right? It's very clear.

Then there's not there's no great area like should we or should we not be sending a letter saying that they.

Or do we leave ourselves some wiggle room to try and nudge some folks along to make it happen.

And again, there's pros and cons to both approaches, you know, don't.

But I feel a sense it's not a major issue.

I feel a little bit hesitant saying boom, you know, on the, the 25th of July, you know, we're not going to entertain anything else unless through the appeal process.

Consider these extraneous things that, you know, that I don't know what are happening.

Process look like.

But I think in at least in in the funding agreement, it's that.

Technically have till the 31st, so that's why they send the letter on the 25th.

That's why I was wondering if it was over email because if it's overstale mail, you know, even if you're mailing it to your neighbor, you take three, four days.

And instead of that letter saying you're suspended, it's like you have until July 31st to send us your money or by that date you are suspended.

I mean, I think it's a no.

I think first is not in here as.

I thought I thought someone said the 31st was in there.

The first.

That's the date the disbursement is made.

I'd like to clarify too is that once we receive the majority of the reports by the 15th, we do begin the disbursement there.

So it's not like everything waits to the 31st.

Just to see if there were.

Yes.

Two things with travelers aid this year.

Because we don't know that they got a phone call.

I would ask we make a phone call.

And if they don't immediately send it to us, then we send them a.

Future.

I think it.

I don't think it would hurt to say.

If by the 25th of the month.

Because your process is to send them an email and then to call them.

Then.

Don't think it hurts to put in here by the 25th of the month.

I think it's not like the city manager or does it need.

I.

I'll just submit the annual report and they have been.

Spend it.

Yeah, the current text is actually stricter.

It says on time.

The 15th.

We want to be stricter than we've been for.

Years.

Or I mean, I guess I mean, that's the whole thing.

I mean, we have the ability right now.

We could send to all of these folks that were late.

On the, you know, we.

First email.

We could be, you know, it's due on on the 15th.

If it's not received on the 15th, you'll be.

At which point then they have the opportunity to.

And so, and then we go into this whole process.

Of.

They've got a justifiable reason why they were late or not.

And you know, perhaps.

We always have a Q3 meeting.

Can we just direct staff to.

And that would essentially start the process.

On section eight and mentions.

Notices and cancellations.

Actually on section one a and then section eight.

I think it really is a matter of.

How we implement.

Or we could change it.

But it's actually stricter the way it's currently worded.

Because they're saying it's saying here that if it's not received on time.

They're going to get suspended essentially.

We've just been very lenient.

I mean, I would think that since this has been going on for 20 years and it doesn't happen too often.

That we have these one offs at this meeting.

Oh, they haven't received it yet.

I think it's made.

Phone call isn't returned.

They're suspended.

But since it doesn't really happen too often.

I don't know if we need to be.

There.

I move to change nothing.

Yeah, I was going to say I make a motion to leave it all.

You don't need a motion to not change.

So I know.

I was being facetious to be me too.

One does concerned.

I mean, you know, you've been here for a long time and you've seen people.

You know, I think that's something I could say.

I mean, it's not something that I could say.

I mean, it's something that I could say.

I mean, you know, the way they're doing it, and you sort of drag their feet and not submit their.

Their reports.

So I think.

Then the onus is back on us to say no, you guys need to take this seriously, but we already have the tools.

To make that happen.

And so we need to start using the tools that are already in our toolkit.

To say, wait a second, folks, you know, this is, you know,

And what's today, August 28th, I don't even know what the date is.

28th, I mean, it was due July 15th and I know that you've done your due diligence.

But maybe because this has happened this year, I don't know if I'd remember it next year, but next year we'll know Barbara.

Maybe you, that won't go on your calendar.

July 22nd and we haven't got it, you know, then seven days later.

I don't know if you noticed, but there is a new name on the contact for any questions on the 2025 application because I.

Our grants people because we finally are.

Okay, whoever the new person is in August, but yeah, I'll.

I'm saying that this just should be again, and since you haven't had to deal with this, you didn't know.

Okay, in seven days, I'm going to call seven days later, I'm going to send a letter or what have you.

Brian, you'll now can share with Brian that that's what needs to happen instead of changing any of this.

We have always eventually gotten.

All right.

Maybe we just ask the city to strictly follow to be by sending suspension letters if they're not received timely.

After follow ups, so you'll follow, send the email, make a phone call, and then send the suspension.

Four days before the deadline or something.

And we don't need a motion if we're just going to request that the city follow the procedures.

And there are anything we need to do about travelers aid this year, other than calling them and saying you're on the verge of being suspended and.

I'm a couple days and if they don't.

Get their report in, then we send them the suspension letter.

Are there any disagreement with doing.

Also remind them at the funding meeting.

Let them know the seriousness of this.

Probably just urge them to do better next time.

We're good.

Well, and not only them, right?

I mean, maybe our.

President can share that at the beginning, right?

This is what has happened this year.

This doesn't happen very often, but just let's make sure we want everybody.

Maybe get their funding.

Well, not just this.

There's a bunch of deadline.

There's a bunch of deadlines they have to meet.

So it's just a matter of saying, please review your funding agreement.

The lines in there if they're not met there.

Carefully read the funding agreement.

Hey, since there is no motion, there are no speakers for this item.

Next item on the agenda is member comments, ideas, questions.

I had a question.

I know.

I know.

Barbara and I were talking earlier before everybody else arrived about the meeting in November.

So future commission meetings.

Is it two hours or three hours?

It's two hours.

Jacob, Barbara with the City Clerk's Office.

It is two hours and then a two thirds vote of members presence.

We'll need to pass to extend it one additional hour.

So a total of three hours.

So we should try to work on our November meeting being two hours.

And so what we haven't talked about is are we going to do it the same as last year,

where we're not going to have representatives say anything unless we have questions.

Now, I know I'm just saying I'm just making sure, right?

Yes.

Okay.

That had to be decided before the application stuff went out.

And we made that decision last meeting.

Just be, we'll really have to manage time and be careful if we're not,

because we're rating them based on their application.

If we have a question based on something they are not clear about in their application,

we can ask them.

But if there's something that they've left off, so they got a zero word,

we shouldn't ask why they left it off.

We should, it's just like we evaluate their application based on the case.

Don't try and extract a lot more information because it's their job to get us that information.

Just rate based on what we have on their piece of paper.

And only ask questions if there's something that we're really confused.

Very careful because it's us that takes the time.

Not, not if we don't let them do presentations, it's not them that takes the time.

Very carefully.

And when can, I haven't looked at my calendar, so I don't know what the date of the November meeting is.

If somebody can rattle it off the top of their head.

I believe it's November 6th.

Okay.

I'm going to look this.

It's early this year.

And it's also at 10 o'clock, not 9 o'clock.

There it is.

Okay.

It is.

So.

Where when can we anticipate receiving.

Information so we can start working on that.

So the deadline is September 27th.

So that following week, we review as they come in, but we tend to get a glut right at the end.

So we'll be reviewing and then the goal will be to get them out by the following week into the following.

The first week of October.

Yeah.

Okay.

So it gives us a month.

Okay.

So that just, you know, I mean, it's like how many pages was it last year, 1500 or something.

I mean, it's like, holy cow.

A lot.

It's a lot to get.

It's going to be in the new hall.

And I have it here originally says there are 10 to 130, but it's actually going to be 10 to 12.

Four to one could be the one.

And on the time limits, does that include breaks?

Yes, it does include breaks.

So if the meeting started exactly on time at 10 a.m., then a maximum it can only go until 1 p.m.

Right on time.

Says the person who was 10 minutes.

Okay.

And we have to all remember that I street is a map.

Down I street is insanity.

And yeah, we're just going to have to really carefully manage.

I need to do.

I think you can do it.

Okay.

So the last item then on the agenda is public comments matters not on the agenda.

Are there any members of the public?

Thank you, President Smith.

I have no speaker slips.

Okay.

That concludes today's agenda.

Thank you, everyone, for your participation.

The meeting is adjourned.

Since the meeting is adjourned, I could never leave an August meeting.