Good morning, everyone.

The second to see Council's budget and audit committee will come to order with the clerk

please call the roll. Mayor Pro Tem Telemontes, Council member

Gara will be absent. Council member Vang and Mayor Steinberg.

I am here. Very good morning to everyone. Why don't we get right into the business if

that's okay? We will do the pledge of allegiance of course in the landing

knowledge minute, both our two o'clock and five o'clock meeting. Let's begin with the consent

calendar. Are there any questions, comments, public testimony on the consent

calendar? If not, I'd happily accept a motion. Very good, all in favor please say aye.

Aye. That passes by unanimous vote of three to nothing. All right, we have one

discussion item. It's very important one on the measure you community advisory

committee's recommendations. Always an important discussion. Chair Dickinson, are you

here to present for the commission? I am here to present and where one of our

members will be here momentarily but I can I can begin our presentation.

In Toxelo. That's a real test for me.

We'll try it here. Thank you Mayor and Council members. I am Marge Dickinson. I'm

Chair of the Measure You Community Advisory Committee and I will be joined here by

committee member Teddy George Off who has provided expertise and leadership on the

important issues around performance measures and metrics for our committee. We

are pleased to be here to discuss our recommendations submitted on September 16th. As you know, one

of the duties established for the measure you community advisory committee in 2018 and

reaffirmed last night by this council in the updated boards and commissions ordinance is

the review of performance measures and evaluation of city expenditures. Consistent with that

mandate we provide these recommendations with the goal of establishing a meaningful partnership

with the council and staff to establish performance measures and metrics that meet the needs of

each party specifically for us that mandate you gave us. We urge you to move these recommendations

forward to the council and to include direction to engage in an ongoing dialogue with committee

representatives throughout the development process. Make no mind we are quite aware that staff

has initiated efforts to define performance measures and we are pleased that that effort

is underway and also we recognize that it is a complex, difficult undertaking. That said,

we do feel that it is critically important that the measure you perspective be part of

the ongoing dialogue and the development of these metrics because frankly we don't want

to be, you know, have them developed done and then I say but you missed this or you missed

that. We really want to be hand in hand walking into the metrics sunset with the staff effort.

Can I ask a question on that please because I know in reading the staff report that the

staff says reluctantly that they cannot accept or agree with the recommendation and I'm just

wondering maybe just to join the conversation why is it either or here. In other words,

yet the staff is working on performance based outcomes. You have some thoughtful recommendations

here about how to do this. Why isn't this a collaborative effort for the city to then

continue to improve and enhance its performance outcome? That's exactly what we would ask for and

I think we think I think that the best way for us to do that is to be part of the conversation,

the dialogue, the development effort in a, I'm going to say words that will probably drive

people nuts on a day-to-day basis. Part of the team so that it isn't a matter of being presented

with a done deal that it's a matter of, you know, jointly agreeing on a done deal that works

or disagreeing in the end if you can't agree. But you're talking about the, and even if it's not

day-to-day or hour-to-hour, but what is the process by which the measure you advisory committee and

the city staff work together to try, to endeavor to try to get at a set of staff and community-driven

recommendations that everyone can support? That's the question before us, right? The either or

thing does, you know, my first instinct is it was either or we're sitting in camps here. Well,

and if we were perceived as being our way or the highway, that is not, that is absolutely not,

the impression we wanted to give. We developed recommendations that we've made recommendations

last two or three budget cycles for performance measures that better measure impact as opposed to

activity. We were really excited to hear Budget Director Coletto came to our September meeting,

I guess, and told us that there was an effort underway. We have deep expertise with

Member George, I was here now, on this topic. And your question is, I think a question for all

of us, which is how do we integrate our interests and expertise, our interests, which is mandated by

you and our expertise, which is great good fortune with the efforts initiative and expertise of

the staff who's working on this. Okay, maybe we should hear from the staff and what would

you like to hear from? Would you like to hear from Member George Off?

Yeah, please make a presentation and then we can talk about how we all work, how we all maximize