Okay, we'll call this meeting to order the Sacramento City Council 5 p.m. meeting.

Please call the roll. Thank you. Council Member Kaplan. Here. Council Member Dickinson. Here. Vice

Mayor Talamantes. Here. Council Member Plekibom. Here. Council Member Maple. Here. Mayor Potem

Getta. Here. Council Member Jennings. Here. Council Member Vang. Here. And Mayor McCarty. Here. You have a quorum. Thank you. Council Member Kaplan. Can you

listen to the pledge and land acknowledgement? Absolutely. If you're able, please stand.

As we honor Sacramento's indigenous people and tribal lands, to the original people of this land, the Nisenan people,

the Southern Maidu, the Valley and Plains Miwok, the Putwin-Wintu peoples, and the people of Wilton Rancheria,

Sacramento's only federally recognized tribe. May we acknowledge and honor the native people who came before us and still walk beside us today on these ancestral lands by choosing to gather today in the act of practice of acknowledgement and appreciation for Sacramento's indigenous people's histories, contributions, and

lives. Please remain standing for the pledge. Pledge.

Council Member Vang. I pledge.

Council Member Vang. I pledge to the flag of the United States of America and to bring a public where which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, liberty, and justice for all.

Council Member Vang. So Mayor, you have two special presentations. The first one is Bike Month, presented by Mayor Pro Tem. Guetta.

Thank you. Council Member Vang. Thank you, Mayor. It's exciting today to start our meeting by recognizing May is Bike Month. And yes, a big round of applause for May is Bike Month, everybody.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Let's turn to the podium here real quick. Our amazing city staff from Public Works. Matt Ironman, Lucinda Wilcox, Megan Carter, Ophelia Avalos, JD Double, Jennifer Dolan Wyatt, for those who know.

Jeff, Jeff Gelsma, Jess Gothen, and Graham DeLeon. And they will combine those two. And then our amazing team at Saba. So let's bring in Saba as well. I want to bring up our executive director, Deb Banks, and then Jeremy Roar, Rob, Rob, Michael, Jim, and also Jibe. Let's bring up Jibe also from the North of the Tomas area.

Michelle is out here today as well. And then the Sacramento TMA, Dalia Ramirez-Robles, who also an alumni of District 6 as well here, the District 6 team as well, here celebrating May is Bike Month.

And we do this every day and every month should be a Bike Month. But May particularly, we do a time where our Public Works teams, our city teams, our safety people, our community advocates all come together to talk about not only the health benefits of biking, the improvements, the need for our air quality,

and also the important safety measures that we're asking everyone, not only pedestrians, not only drivers, including cyclists, all to be cautious about cyclists on the roadway.

Now, just this month, they've logged over 2,824 riders from the region here for the May's Bike Month effort. And this is a six-county region as well that gets involved with it. Our neighboring counties partner with this.

Just in here, in our county here in our region, 297,000 miles, offsetting 360,000 pounds of carbon. Those are 23,000 trips. And we welcome new riders, 338 new riders.

And I'm not, I wouldn't say, yes, let's get a big round of applause for 338 new riders.

You know, at least my waistline doesn't say that. But I would say, but I'm a bike rider. And a lot of us enjoyed riding our bikes. And sometimes, you know, we complain about, remember the day when our kids used to ride our bikes to school and everybody rode their bikes to school?

Well, we can't do that anymore if not everybody takes the conscious effort to think about cyclists on the road.

Okay. We need to all work together to improve that. And the people that are doing that are Saba, Jive, the Sacramento, the Highway 50 Transportation Management Associations here, and our amazing public work staff.

So to talk about May is Bike Month, let's bring up, and to receive the resolution of May is Bike Month, Executive Director from Saba, Deb Banks, everybody.

Big round of applause.

Hey. Thanks.

Eric, you told everything I was going to say.

So we'll keep it short because we know you guys have had a really long day.

It looks like you're going to have a long evening as well.

I just want to talk about May is Bike Month for just a little bit.

But it's been going on for over 20 years, and it's been a campaign to encourage more people to ride their bike.

SACOG used to manage May is Bike Month, and back in the day, it was a contest to see how many miles participants could ride during May.

We had people that would get up at midnight, get out their door, and ride a century on May 1st.

Now, I know Lainey does those kinds of things still, but I have hung up that get up at the middle of the night and ride my bike all night long kind of days.

That's an amazing thing.

But when Saba took over May is Bike Month from SACOG, what we really wanted to do was focus on new riders.

We want more people to choose their bike.

We want that behavior change.

So we made the shift to go from as many miles as you could ride to how many people could we get to take a short trip around town.

As we all know and we all parrot, bicycle rides, our daily car trips can be up to five miles in length, something that's easily done by bicycle.

And we think that if we can get that behavior change, then we're going to do great things for the environment, great things for congestion, great things for reducing greenhouse gas emissions, and, of course, good things for wellness, both physical and mental health.

So that's the whole purpose of this.

We put on events in all six counties.

The majority of them are here in Sacramento.

Saba alone has over 70 events happening during the course of the May.

And then add on 50-quarter TMA and SAC TMA that put on a ton of events.

Jai puts on a ton of events.

The city puts on events.

I mean, there are options on our calendar every single day in May to get out and ride your bike.

And that's the whole idea.

Just trying to do a little behavior change, but it takes a whole village and city to kind of make it happen.

And that's what we're all about.

You've talked about the stats, Eric, and that's fantastic.

We have over 600 workplaces engaged.

We have 12,000 people riding their bikes.

We've got tons of new riders.

And we have, since we started this campaign four years ago, clocked over 9 million miles.

And at the beginning of May, we did a thing, and I was like, 10 million miles.

We want a million miles in May.

That would get us over that threshold.

I'm not sure we're going to make it, but we're going to keep trying, and we're going to have a great time while we're doing it anyway.

That is a lot of people riding their bikes.

And what that means is that we're going to help meet our climate goals, and we're going to help push you guys for better infrastructure.

Because the more people that are riding their bikes, the better our streets are going to be, and we're going to help make them safer.

May is 31 days of bike love.

Happy May is bike month.

Thanks.

Do you have other speakers?

With that, I am going to go at the speed of light, because we have a very long meeting ahead of us.

But I just couldn't miss the opportunity to also say, one, May is bike month.

But two, thank you so much for your advocacy, and thank you to our incredible public works team, because it should go in tandem.

That if we want more people to ride their bikes, we have to make Sacramento safer for people to ride their bikes.

And you all have been a part of that and continue to be.

So thank you.

Thank you.

So you can participate on May is bike month and register where, Deb?

At the mayorsbikemonth.com website.

We have, I was going to say, at the QR code.

Help anybody.

The mayorsbikemonth.com website will take you to Love to Ride, Sac Region, and easy to sign up from there.

And look for Saba, because you can get the annual free socks of May is bike.

And I spend January and February fundraising for all the swag.

So wear it in good health, as my father would say.

Well, join us all for a quick photo here for May's bike month, and then we encourage everyone to ride.

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Thank you.

I hope I'm not stealing this from you, Mr. Ironman, but that Sacramento's 3,100 street lane

miles that Public Works maintains cover a distance roughly equivalent of traveling

from Sacramento to New York City.

For our Transportation and Engineering Division, they have truly moved the city forward through

implementation of Vision Zero Traffic Safety Plan, the Downtown Mobility Project, and the

Envision Broadway Project.

Our parking and engineering services have kept businesses up and running during the

pandemic through our fresco dining program, which has turned into a hugely popular post-pandemic

amenity, which I hope everybody enjoys, because I do.

Our Facilities Division keeps our critical infrastructure safe through maintaining over 400 buildings

and real estate holdings.

Our Fleets Division are working daily to find innovative ways to meet Council's directive

of creating low-carbon fleet, including the introduction of the first all-electric pickup

trucks and the city's first full-sized all-electric garbage truck.

Our Street Maintenance Division are responsible for keeping our roads, sidewalks, bridges,

and canopy of over 100,000 public trees safe and functioning properly.

And our Recycling and Solid Waste Division manages approximately 250,000 tons of waste,

including garbage, recycled material, green waste, and organic food waste.

We all know how much Public Works has stepped it up.

And I know what I experienced in District 1 when we had a couple fatalities in a small

amount of time, how much you guys stepped up to try and find solutions in the community,

and you have done that everywhere in our city, which makes you guys special because you work

day in and day out to keep our citizens safe, our roads working, and everything else that

we take for granted that just keeps working.

You guys make it happen.

So as we recognize Public Works Week, I want to call out and recognize a couple special

individuals who have much deserved recognition.

Congratulations to Lucinda Wilcox, our Assistant Director.

Thank you.

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Support Services Manager.

Also named American Public Works Association Manager of the Year.

Congratulations.

And Allison Kerstetter, who was named a finalist for the 2025 Public Sector Fleet Manager of the Year.

You guys truly go above and beyond each one of you.

Congratulations.

Thank you.

I sent it over to their director.

It wouldn't be me if I didn't call out.

We need to do more.

There's over $1.5 billion in deferred maintenance to make sure that our roads are safe for not only us, but our bikes and everywhere else that I hope we can find a solution to.

So, Mr. Ironman?

Well, thank you for that.

And thank you all for your ongoing support of Public Works.

I am actually the luckiest employee with the City of Sacramento.

As you can see by my presence of my coworkers here that do the work day in and day out.

And I try to keep it all together and orchestrate it.

Thank you.

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public works professionals across eight critical divisions.

To each and every one of them, thank you.

Your dedication day in and day out

reflects the very best of public service.

You make Sacramento cleaner, safer, more connected,

and more equitable for everyone who lives,

works, and travels here.

This year, our department was honored as partner of the year

by Midtown Association.

And really what that says to me is that we are connecting

with our communities and we are making sure that we're here

to help them and support them and not regulate them.

And so I appreciate them recognizing that and taking the time

to let all of our employees know that.

I too would like to celebrate our employees

Cicely, Lucinda, and Allison for the hard work that they do.

And, you know, make sure people understand

that they are working behind the scenes,

making sure that each and every day,

our roads and our infrastructure is there for their using.

So I appreciate you sponsoring this, Councilmember Kaplan.

Thank you very much, all of you, for your support.

I'd love to call you up, Mayor.

Would you mind joining me down here?

And we can take one big group picture.

Yay.

Okay.

While they're going down, Mayor, I just, you know,

as a former engineer here, recovering engineer,

it truly, I'm glad to see all of our great public works folks here,

because they truly work for the public.

And while some are in the trees,

they know where the rubber meets the road.

And they don't talk trash,

but they do know trash talk.

And then one right here.

Sorry, everyone.

And then one right here.

Sorry, everyone.

Ready?

One, two, three.

One, two, three.

Awesome.

Thank you, everyone.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Thank you.

So, Mayor, staff has asked that we reorder the agenda

and take item 20 from the discussion calendar,

which is city manager executive recruitment process

and development of a facilitated goals-based review process

for appointed officers that directly report to this council.

So, with your approval, may we take that one next?

Yes, correct.

Thank you.

And I have no public comment on this item.

Okay.

I'll take that item.

Mm-hmm.

Thank you for being here today.

We are here today to approve the marketing materials

and hear about the recruitment process

for the next city manager for the city of Sacramento.

I am thankful to my colleagues and their work on this issue,

as well as their commitment to providing our staff

and our consultant, Pam Derby, from CPSHR,

with the needed input to arrive at this point within the process.

I want to express to Pam, Shelly, Ebony, Jennifer, Mindy, Brett,

and Lynette our sincere appreciation for your hard work

and flexibility in this process.

I know it has not been easy trying to figure out the logistics

for the many community meetings, the surveys,

and the outreach efforts that were made,

but you made it all possible in every single avenue of our work.

Today, we will hear from Pam Derby,

the findings of the community outreach to date,

how that has folded into the recruitment materials,

along with the input from the mayor and the council.

This will include a discussion on total compensation.

Pam will lead us through the development of the marketing materials

and what the next steps are in the process.

Then Jennifer Wilkerson will briefly discuss the requested information

related to the salary ranges within the city manager

and the assistant city managers.

Finally, after both Pam and Jennifer,

Shelly Banks-Robinson will discuss the request for the direction from the council

for the P and PE committee to develop a facilitated goals-based review process

for those six positions that report directly to the mayor

and the city council as a body.

Traditionally, the mayor and council have not had a clearly defined review process

for our direct reports.

While progress has been made in the last year under Councilwoman Kaplan's leadership,

it is clear that we, as an employer,

need to clearly define our collective review process.

We need to agree on what to expect from our six direct reports

to achieve each year and what will be evaluated on

and how the process will be undertaken.

This is a fairly significant undertaking,

and the proposal is to hire an HR firm to help facilitate these goals

based on review process.

This process will align with our goal-setting workshop scheduled for this fall

and focus on how we set goals and review our direct reports.

The proposed review process enables the council to clearly articulate

what we want in our direct reports to accomplish on behalf of our constituents.

I am requesting that my colleagues, direct staff,

to work with the P&PE committee and involve our direct reports

to come back to the mayor and city council with a proposed process

with the goal to have this in place before the hiring of the next city manager.

I am pleased at this time to bring up Pam Derby to start this discussion.

Following Pam will be Jennifer Wilkinson for a very brief discussion

on the salary ranges for the city manager and the assistant city managers.

After the council is done discussing the city manager recruitment

and giving direction to begin the formal recruitment,

Shelley Banks-Robinson will come up to give an overview

of the facilitated goals-based review process.

I introduce to you Pam Derby.

Good evening, Mayor, Council Members.

Nice to see you all again.

As Council Member Jennings mentioned,

tonight I want to give you a wrap-up of where we are to this point

in the city manager recruitment process.

So the things we're going to be talking about

are what we've done regarding stakeholder engagement.

As you know that we did extend the timeline a bit

so that we could do more stakeholder engagement.

We have provided you with a draft recruitment brochure.

We have provided you with an updated recruitment timeline.

And we've also provided you with what are the terms

that candidates may be looking for in a total compensation package.

So the community and stakeholder engagement happened over about 12 days

from the 19th of April to the 29th of April, 10 days.

We did teleconferences with several organizations, CBOs, NGOs, et cetera,

that had been across a diverse section of the community

that had been recommended by Council Members.

Those were Zoom meetings with all of those organizations.

There was 12 to 13, as I mentioned.

We did in-person community engagement meetings, four in total,

one in Oak Park, one in Meadowview, one in North and Tomas,

and one in North Sacramento.

We also did two virtual meetings that were advertised

for people to participate in.

In addition to that, we deployed an online survey.

That survey was in English, Vietnamese, Cantonese, and Spanish.

It was during the P and PE meeting.

It was expressed that some people may not have had the opportunity

to participate in the online survey.

So we did leave that open until the end of the day last Friday.

Because of that, we have only had the opportunity

to do some high-level analysis.

However, I would say that what we have seen,

we had over 400 responses.

And what we've seen is that most of the feedback

mirrors what we had already heard in the engagement meetings.

The recruitment brochure that we created is the ideal candidate profile

that you see was created specifically from those conversations

with the council, with the community engagement activities,

with those organizations we spoke with.

And it identified several high-level areas,

a bold, unifying leader, a strategic thinker,

and operational expert, authentic, accessible,

and community-centered, politically astute,

but fiercely independent,

and also equity-focused and culturally competent.

So those are the high-level things,

and there is a description of all of those things

to let prospective candidates know

what you're truly looking for in the next city manager.

We have updated the original timeline, again,

because we did so much stakeholder engagement.

And so our anticipation is that after we present today

that we will be able to launch this recruitment next week,

and then it would close on June 30th at the end of the month.

Then for the next month in July,

you would be doing selection activities involving the council,

interviewing candidates,

and then we anticipate from early to mid-August,

we would be doing final steps,

which is negotiation of the contract, background, reference checks, etc.

We were asked about total compensation package and negotiation terms.

We don't have this broken down in what the numbers may be for some of these items.

It's going to depend on the candidate, where they come from,

what their current employment agreement may look like, etc.

You have approved a salary range of $273,311 to $420,684.

All charter officers, I believe department heads as well,

receive a car allowance of $500 per month.

But things that the candidate would be looking for would be term of the employment agreement,

or would this just be a no-term employment agreement,

which with city managers, they are at will,

and so oftentimes that's what's decided.

Oftentimes they ask for extra deferred compensation.

Leave allowances, oftentimes they're looking to bring to accrue either at the top

or what their current years of service have been.

So that's a very typical ask.

Some have an executive health and wellness portion,

which means that they have to have, and usually this is decided by the city,

that you want them to have a complete physical every year.

They'll also be looking for a severance clause for no-cause separation.

Other things that they'll talk about, performance evaluations,

and that's something you're going to be talking about with Shelly later on this evening.

We believe they're very important,

and that should be tied to any raises, salary increases that they receive.

Relocation expenses, health coverages, life, AD&D insurance, technology stipends,

annual subscriptions and memberships, and conference attendance.

Those are usually all the things that you're looking for in a total compensation package

and things that I would anticipate.

We have already listed what is standard in the city right now,

but candidates can always, this is a negotiable situation.

And with that, I would ask for questions, comments.

Okay.

I think none?

Public comment?

I have no speakers for public comment on this item.

Councilor Dickinson?

Hi, Pam.

I'm just looking at the recruitment brochure,

and I think it captures what we're looking for quite well generally.

The one thing that caught my eye with a little hesitation was the paragraph,

politically astute but fiercely independent, strong-willed.

You know, above that, you talk about building relationships,

and essentially, you don't, I don't, I didn't notice you used the word collaborative,

but you described that.

But obviously, or maybe it's not obvious to everybody,

we do want someone, I believe, who's independent and has a strong sense of purpose.

But the way this is phrased made me think, gee whiz, you know,

we're looking for someone who says, I don't really care what you think.

I know what I want and what I'm going to do, no matter what else.

But it also struck me as being arguably internally inconsistent.

So I don't have a suggestion for you, just other than maybe you want to.

People wordsmith.

And I'm not going to wordsmith.

I'm just going to suggest you might want to wordsmith.

I would.

Yeah.

Thanks, Mayor.

Thank you.

We have two comment individuals.

Thank you.

Dao Vang and Kao Yi Tao.

Good evening, Mayor and City Council members.

On behalf of the Sacramento Racial Equity Alliance and Council,

we are ready to express our deep commitment to ensuring that the racial equity is centered

in the hiring of the Sacramento's next city manager.

The city manager plays a critical role in shaping Sacramento's future.

It is essential that the person selected for this role brings not only a strong understanding

of racial equity and theory, but a proven track record.

Putting it into practice, this is key in continuing to work with the REAC,

through the score process and fulfilling the commitments made in the racial equity resolution.

Racial equity must be a non-negotiable qualification.

Every policy initiative and budget decision made by this person will impact our communities,

and we need a city manager who will lead with a racial equity framework that results in real,

measurable outcomes.

We are also concerned about the hiring process.

True collaboration means engaging the community, not just seeking input, but sharing power.

While we understand that this process may be too far along to fully correct,

we urge you to embed racial equity and a willingness to co-govern with the community

into the final job description.

The evaluation criteria and how you promote this position will also attract equity-focused leaders.

Racial equity isn't only about addressing past harm.

It's also about creating a sacrament where everyone thrives,

especially those historically excluded from opportunity.

Where we invest in equity, we build a stronger city for all.

We believe you share this vision, and we offer our support and development

and interview questions or shipping criteria that will ensure racial equity remains

at the center of this process.

Thank you.

Aoyi Tao.

Aoyi Tao.

Good long evening, city council and mayor.

My name is Kao Yi Tao, director of policy and partnerships with Long Innovating Politics,

and I just want to plus one everything that Dow just shared.

Dow was just reading a letter that the Racial Equity Alliance,

a body of social justice and racial equity leaders in Sacramento,

have put together and have sent over to our entire city council and mayor

really to affirm how important it is to consider candidates

that really have a demonstrated commitment to improving outcomes

for all of our community members.

And so this quality is so important,

and I just want to make sure and put it on record today

that we really prioritize that in our selection process.

I want to uplift the leadership in the PNP committee.

Thank you so much, Councilmember Jennings.

The Racial Equity Alliance, we had flagged the deadline of the survey

that we needed to extend the deadline to include more voices,

and the PNP committee heard that, listened to it, and took action.

And so we appreciate that the city is listening on such an important process

as hiring the city manager.

So we thank you all for your efforts, and thank you,

and we look forward to our continued collaboration together.

Thank you.

Back to you, Councilmember Jennings.

Thank you.

Thank you very much, Mayor.

Did you want to – I'm sorry.

Councilmember Vang wanted to speak first.

Thank you, Mayor.

I just – first, sorry, I should have queued up quicker,

so I appreciate you recognizing that.

Just really first wanted to take this moment to thank Councilmember Jennings

for his leadership on the PNP committee, working with city staff.

And, Pam, thank you so much for all of your work, being out in the community.

I just want to give a shout-out to Lynette in particular for all the outreach that they've done.

I also want to acknowledge that city staff and the chair of PNP and Pam also, you know,

what they also did was extended the survey as well so that if community members didn't get to comment on the survey,

there was an opportunity to do that.

And I do just want to name that in the outreach material,

I see that there's actually a section that calls out a city manager that is equity-focused and culturally competent.

And I want to say thank you for that because, as I've shared, mayor and council comes and go.

And I often think, you know, if a city manager, I know their job is to report to the mayor and council,

to do the will of five council members if the majority says do something.

But I also want the city manager to have the independence of that if we pass a policy or a budget or a policy or initiative

that actually harms communities of color, that they are able to implement the policy in a way that mitigates that harm.

And so that's really important for me and that's central in terms of the hiring.

And so just really wanted to thank you for putting that in the outreach material.

And if you are a candidate wanting to work for the city of Sacramento,

I'm sure you're probably watching this council meeting, figuring out if you want to join.

And so I'm just putting out there that I care about a candidate who will center racial equity and economic justice.

And so I really just want to say thank you for the materials and look forward to moving this timeline along.

Thank you so much.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Okay.

So at this point, I'd like to continue with Jennifer Wilkerson, who will come up and briefly discuss the salary ranges.

And then she'll be followed by Shelly Banks-Robinson, come up and speak as well.

Thanks, Jennifer.

Good evening.

Thank you.

I'll see you.

As part of the recruitment process, CPS HR completed a compensation study for the city manager.

And they presented the study results and recommended adjusting the city manager's salary range to $273,211 to $420,684 annually.

The salary was recommended for approval to the council at the April 1st personnel and public employee meeting, and it was approved at the April 22nd city council meeting.

City council requested the additional information regarding salary for the city manager in comparison with the assistant city manager.

As presented in this report, there is a 23.4% spread between the classification's maximum salary range and a 26% spread between the maximum total compensation.

Do you have any questions for me?

Good.

Good.

Thank you so much, Jennifer.

All right.

Shelly Banks-Robinson.

Good evening.

I just want to briefly talk about the proposed review process.

As part of Sacramento's ongoing commitment to transparency, accountability, and performance excellence, we are proposing a formal, facilitated goal-setting review process for our charter officers, which include the city manager, city attorney, city auditor, city clerk, city treasurer, as well as other council-appointed officers, the director of public safety and accountability.

This process would be guided by a third-party HR consultant, similar to the facilitation used during the city manager recruitment.

The facilitator would work with mayor and each council member to develop a set of clear strategic goals for each appointed officer.

These goals would then be reviewed and adopted by the full council.

Serving as the foundation for future performance evaluations.

The goal of this initiative is to give both the council and the public a shared, transparent understanding of the priorities and performance expectations for these leadership roles.

Starting each evaluation cycle with collaboratively defined objectives strengthens alignment between council direction and departmental operations, ultimately improving governance and service delivery.

Importantly, this process also helps ensure compliance with the Brown Act, which requires open and transparent decision-making.

Without a neutral facilitator, there is a higher risk of unintentional serial meetings or indirect consensus building that could violate the Act.

A facilitator lawfully gathers individual input and presents it in a way that respects both the letter and the spirit of the law and preserves transparency.

Beyond legal compliance, using a facilitator brings significant operational benefits.

It creates a neutral professional space for honest, forward-looking discussions.

It removes interpersonal dynamics from the process and ensures that goals are measurable, realistic, and clearly tied to council priorities.

It also promotes consistency, clarity, and accountability in leadership evaluations.

Bringing in an external facilitator isn't just about HR logistics.

It's a safeguard that protects the integrity of our governance, supports our transparency obligations under the Brown Act, and helps deliver the kind of accountable leadership Sacramento residents expect and deserve.

And that is the end of the review.

There is, on the last three pages of your packet, there is a brief outline of what a potential review process looks like that we would use to get started with the process when we hire the facilitator.

Does anyone have any questions or comments for me?

Seeing none.

Council Member Kaplan.

Thank you, Mayor.

Thank you.

Council Member.

Thank you.

Council Member.

I think we're good.

I think we're good.

Just have an incredible team, and they are working hard with each and every one of you, and I just want to make sure everybody does feel like this process is transparent, and it's one that they have total access to, and all the knowledge as far as being able to understand what's going on within the process.

We will work hard to get back on the timeline and to continue to work with the timeline and to continue to work with the timeline that's out now.

But we are working hard, and I just want to thank them for their work on this matter.

Thank you, Council Member.

I would like to make a motion that we direct CPS to proceed with the executive recruitment process and direct staff to proceed with developing a formal facilitated goal-based performance review process for all appointed officers to the City Council.

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Council Member Guerra would like to continue item 14.

Is that correct?

That's correct, Madam Clerk.

Continue item 14.

And Mr. Mayor, I'll move the balance of the consent calendar.

I'll second.

And Council Member Dickinson, you had comments?

Oh, thanks.

So we're going to take 14 separately?

We're continuing item 14.

Oh, okay.

All right.

Moving on 1 to 13.

I just wanted to make a quick comment on item 9.

Okay, please proceed.

You're ready?

We're ready.

Yes.

I just, I very much wanted to thank the staff for this application for and agreement on getting some additional stip funding,

particularly for working on Marysville Boulevard from Arcade Boulevard up to North Avenue.

And so it's William Schunk and Ophelia Avalos and Lucinda, who we heard about.

Lucinda must still be here somewhere.

Maybe she got away.

Oh, okay.

We fed it earlier.

I want to thank all three of them and other staff for working on this.

I can't tell you how many times over how many years that I've driven up Marysville Boulevard

and thought we really need to fix this street.

And so to see this project moving forward and to have a real chance of putting together the funding

to do something very meaningful is worth noting.

So, again, I want to thank you and thank the council for approving this.

So, Mayor, you have a motion by Council Member DeGetta and a second by Kaplan.

On the consent calendar, items 1 through 12.

Okay.

All those in favor, please say aye.

Aye.

Aye.

No's or abstentions?

Hearing none, I was waiting for you to say 14.

Passes.

Yeah, passes unanimously.

Yes.

Except for item 14.

Continue.

Item 13 and 14 are both continued.

So, it's items 1 through 12.

So, we now move to item 15, a public hearing.

That item is an ordinance listing San Francisco Boulevard as a landmark on the Sacramento Register

of Historic and Cultural Resources.

Good evening, Mayor and Council.

My name is Henry Fuse, preservation planner with the City of Sacramento.

And I'll be presenting the landmark nomination for San Francisco Boulevard,

located in District 6, under file M24006.

In 2013, when a disease began to cause a decline in the palm trees on San Francisco Boulevard,

which is a public roadway segment between Stockton Boulevard and 55th Street, preservation staff

were consulted to assist with selecting an alternative compatible species.

This prompted the creation of a historic evaluation that found the nominated resource eligible

for the Sacramento Register of Historic and Cultural Resources and the California Register

of Historical Resources.

Due to staff shortages at the time, landmark proceedings for the nominated resource were not brought forward.

In early 2024, work being undertaken by the Sacramento Municipal Utility District included

the removal or significant trimming of palm trees located along the nominated resource.

City staff were contacted by concerned citizens and advocacy groups.

In response, staff brought the historic resources evaluation before the Preservation Commission

for a review and comment on September 17, 2024.

At the time, the Preservation Commission recommended staff proceed with initiating a nomination

to the Sacramento Register.

The historic evaluation attached to your staff report concludes the San Francisco Boulevard

appears eligible for listing on the Sacramento Register of Historic and Cultural Resources

under Criterion 3, pursuant to Sacramento City Code 7, Section 17604-210,

as a unique example of City Beautiful Movement infrastructure from the early 20th century.

Staff presented a statement of nomination to the Preservation Director who concluded at a public

hearing on January 23, 2005 that the property appears eligible under Criterion 3.

The nomination was then considered by the Preservation Commission on February 19, 2025,

with all members of the Commission voting in favor of making a recommendation to City Council

to list the nominated resource on the Sacramento Register.

Distinctive characteristics of the nominated resource include the wide boulevard made up of four lanes

of travel divided by two parallel seven-foot-wide median strips prominently featuring California

palm trees, side park strips that feature deciduous shade trees and sidewalks.

The palm tree allays in the middle and the medians of the boulevard have undergone minor changes

due to age and disease-related loss of specimen.

However, the landscape continues to retain a high degree of historic integrity,

and new trees have been of a compatible species.

Staff recommends the City Council pass a motion determining the listing of the site on the Sacramento Register

is exempt from the review under the California Environmental Quality Act,

and adopt an ordinance listing the nominated resource as a landmark on the Sacramento Register

of Historic and Cultural Resources.

A notice of the public hearing describing the proposed landmark listing was sent to the City of Sacramento

as the property owner of San Francisco Boulevard.

Preservation Sacramento, the Colonial Heights Neighborhood Association, Oak Park Little League Baseball and Softball,

and the South Oak Park Community Association have been notified of the landmark proceedings.

Letters of support have been received from several residents and property owners adjacent to the proposed historic landmark.

No objections to listing have been received by staff.

This concludes my presentation.

Thank you.

Thank you, Council Member Guerra.

Mayor, if there's no comments, I'll open and close the public hearing.

Okay.

Madam Clerk?

I do have three public speakers on this item.

And we will not close the public hearing.

I'll just open the public hearing.

Thank you, sir.

William Berg, Shirley Daffin, and Ian Thompson.

Good evening, Mayor McCarty, members of the Council.

My name is William Berg.

I'm President of the Board of Directors of Preservation Sacramento.

Eleven months ago, we were contacted by Casey Shuffton, some residents of Colonial Heights, about this issue.

And as it turns out, the evaluation was done of this property ten years ago by Melissa Morkas, former city staff, who's now on our Board of Directors.

And so we were able to facilitate some meetings, sat down with some coffee and bagels and some neighbors.

And before you know it, it's a preservation director and then preservation commission.

We did a walk of the boulevard.

And now here we are.

And I would like to say thank you to Councilman Brigada for moving this forward.

And this and the next item are proof that Sacramento's historic places are all throughout the city.

And many of them haven't been identified yet.

But because of the wisdom of our residents and the skill of our city government and the guidance of our council and mayor, we'll hopefully be listing more of them.

And to this end, this Sunday, the 25th, we're going to have a bike ride because it's May is preservation month and bike month.

So at 10.30 a.m., we're going to meet at Colonial Park.

We're going to ride the boulevard.

We're going to ride 21st Avenue.

We're going to ride up to Tahoe Park where Isaac Gonzalez has promised us donuts.

And then we're going to ride back so we can burn off the extra calories.

Thank you.

I hope you will unanimously support this item.

Have a great evening.

And a great bike ride.

Thank you for your comments.

Shirley Daffin.

Good evening.

And I'm very nervous but very happy to be here.

I'm a resident on the nominated resource, as you guys are calling it.

I'm a resident on San Francisco Boulevard for the last 20 years.

And I am, I and many of my neighbors are excited about this nomination.

And we hope that you will unanimously pass it.

You know, it's been a long night.

So I'll conclude right there.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Ian Thompson is our final speaker on this item.

Hello, everybody.

Thank you for hearing us.

I'm a homeowner and landscape architect and I live on San Francisco Boulevard.

The sort of arched palm fronds of the palms there at San Francisco Boulevard are the gateway

that sort of led me to find out about our neighborhood to begin with, Colonial Heights.

And it's what led us to buy our house there.

But it's more than just the gateway to the neighborhood.

It's also where the neighbors gather.

It's a safe shared walkway, that sort of slow single lane each direction for joggers, cyclists, strollers,

dogs, dogs and strollers.

And it's also where our neighbors, also where your neighbors from your districts come to take pictures of their cars to shoot music videos.

Why is it so special?

Because it's been preserved up until this point.

The character of the street where it's got the palm trees in the center of those two, in those two medians creating that archway.

And then the deciduous trees on the outside create this just perfect shaded walkway for us to gather and walk down as neighbors to meet each other, to connect.

It's sort of a secondary park right within our neighborhood.

And it's really important to us all, I think.

I haven't heard one negative voice about it.

So I hope that you will join the previous commissioners in unanimously approving this landmark status to San Francisco Boulevard.

Thank you all.

Thank you.

No more speakers?

No more speakers.

Yeah, I just want to thank the council member for working on this.

This is an iconic street in Sacramento with those palm trees.

And I remember, council member, probably 15 or so years ago, I asked the city archives and the folks,

hey, would you do all these books on historic Land Park and Oak Park and East Sac?

Why don't you do one about the Tahoe Park, Elmhurst Colonial Neighborhoods?

And they're like, we don't have a lot of pictures and materials.

And so we put out a call to the community.

And people brought all these great relics.

The picture on the book of those kids on the bikes coming back from the Little League game is the picture you see the most.

And that picture came out of the call for images from families that we found one afternoon in Tahoe Park when everybody came to the concert in the park at Tahoe Park 15, 20 years ago.

So, you know, full circle here, but I'm excited that we can further celebrate this important neighborhood, this beautiful street with those amazing palm trees.

Not much shade with those palm trees, as you know, but they are still pretty good.

But anyway, full support of this.

Thank you so much.

Council Member.

Council Member Dickinson.

I just wanted to just tack on and say, I think there are three of us here sitting here who've had the pleasure of representing this neighborhood over the years.

And it's always been such a great neighborhood, such a great street.

It's just terrific to recognize its historic significance.

So I'm happy to second the motion when it's made.

There you go.

Council Member.

Yeah, thank you, Mayor.

Yeah, no, you brought back a lot of memories because we were trying to, like, revive, like, what, you know, the history and the Colonial Theater and other places that came up.

And we have today also with us Elgin Bradley, who has been on the boulevard for 45 years as well.

Here in the audience as well.

But I just, I'm excited to not only move this item, but first I'll close the public hearing and move the item, Mr. Mayor.

But first off to thank Shirley Daffin for being the organizer, getting people to the commission, bringing the awareness back up.

When there were concerns about, you know, even SMUD addressing some of the challenges with the palm trees.

There was a lot of care taken into recognizing this location.

And for those of you and my colleagues that have not had a chance to go to San Francisco Boulevard, it boasts two parallel eight-foot-wide median planter strips with trees and shrubs and walkability.

And as Ian brought up, you know, thank you, Ian, for describing it vividly.

I mean, if that concept that went into the, quote-unquote, first suburb with a streetcar, by the way, that went down the center.

And my neighbors across the street, Carol, remembers taking the streetcar, not only there on San Francisco Boulevard, but on 21st Avenue.

And if we would have only continued that positive thinking back then, you know, of a good planning design that lowered the speed of vehicles, that allowed for, like, the bicyclists in the photo of kids coming back from the Little League game and the streetcar, I think our city would be in a much different place today.

We wouldn't have the fatalities and deaths on that.

And so I think not only is it important that we're celebrating and recognizing San Francisco Boulevard, but we should look back and think about some of the positive thinkings on how to design neighborhoods that brought back community.

And that's one thing about Colonial Heights.

Colonial Heights neighborhood is a rich, connected neighborhood because it's designed in a way that allows people to engage and get to know their neighbors and make a strong community.

So with that, Mr. Mayor, again, I appreciate the opportunity to hear this.

It wouldn't have happened without the great work of the staff.

I only have one recommendation and suggestion and direction with the city manager in this is that if Public Works has, today's been a big day for Public Works, but if they have a little time to go take care of the palm fronds, you know, the palm trees have been getting a little shaggy lately.

So we would, in the neighborhood, would greatly welcome Little Karen TLC to San Francisco Boulevard.

With that, I ask everyone for their aye vote and support.

I have a motion and a second.

All those in favor, please say aye.

Aye.

Any no's or abstentions?

Hearing none, item passes.

Passes unanimously.

We move on to item 16, which is an...

Item 16 is an ordinance listing 1112.

40th Street is a landmark in the Sacramento Register of Historic and Cultural Resources.

Good evening, Mayor and Council.

Again, my name is Henry Fuse, preservation planner for the city of Sacramento, and I'll be presenting the landmark nomination for 1112 40th Street, located in District 4, under file M24-013.

There we go.

Sorry, technical difficulties.

There we go.

The property owner of 1112 40th Street retained the services of historic environment consultants who prepared the historic evaluation for this property.

The historic evaluation attached to your staff report concludes that the property at 1112 40th Street appears eligible for listing on the Sacramento Register of Historic and Cultural Resources under Sacramento City Code section 17604-210 as an exemplary example of American craftsman style architecture.

Staff presented a statement of nomination to the preservation director who concluded at a public hearing on January 23rd, 2025 that the property appears eligible under criterion three.

The nomination was then considered by the preservation commission on February 19th, 2025, with all members of the commission voting in favor of making a recommendation to the city council to list the building on the Sacramento Register.

The building retains a high degree of historic integrity in all six aspects.

The neighborhood and building remain mostly unchanged.

The building has had little to no alterations since initial construction outside of a small addition on the side in 1917 and a later compatible addition on the rear.

All elements on the facade appear in near original condition.

Staff recommends the city council pass a motion determining the listing of the property on the Sacramento Register is a good example of the property.

The property is exempt from the California Environmental Quality Act and adopt an ordinance listing the nominated resource as a landmark in the Sacramento Register of Historic and Cultural Resources.

A notice of the property, a notice of the public hearing describing the proposed landmark listing was sent to the property owner of 1112 40th Street.

Additionally, Preservation Sacramento, East Sacramento Improvement Association, East Sac Give Back, East Sac Chamber of Commerce, and East Sacramento Preservation have been notified of the landmark proceeding and no objections have been received by staff.

This concludes my presentation.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Thank you.

We have public comment on this?

I have no speakers on this item.

Okay.

Thank you.

Council Member Pluckibom.

Is that my recommendation?

Second.

Do you have to open and close the public hearing on this?

Correct.

Council Member Pluckibom, did your motion include opening and closing the public hearing?

Thank you.

And do we have a second?

Second.

Thank you.

So a motion is second.

No comments from Council Members.

All in favor please say aye.

Aye.

Any nose or abstentions?

Hearing none.

Item passes unanimously.

Next item.

The next item 17 is fiscal year 2025-26 citywide fees and charges.

Right.

Good evening Mayor, Council Members and members of the public.

The next three items you're going to have are public hearings on fees which are required

as part of the budget process.

I know that there are some concerns that have been that were voiced during budget hearings

last week around fees but you can always adjust them as part of budget adoption.

So as you have your discussions tonight and then June 10th, I will be able to adjust

the fees.

And I want to introduce Brian Martin who is going to go over the citywide fees and charges.

Good evening Mayor and Council Members.

My name is Brian Martin, Senior Budget Analyst with the Citywide.

Senior Budget Analyst with the Finance Department.

The item before you is the public hearing for the FY25-26 citywide fees and charges schedule.

Staff is recommending adding 33 new fees, modifying 251 fees and deleting 50 fees for a total of

334 changes affecting seven departments.

This will generate approximately $5.6 million in revenue for the general fund and $1.3 million

for other funds.

This figure has been updated from the table in the original report where a committee

mentioned in cultural service fee changes were miscategorized as general funds rather than

community service fund.

The associated revenue adjustments are necessary to provide appropriate cost recovery related

to city programs and services.

These increases are part of the proposed budget balancing strategies that were presented

at the last council meeting on May 13th.

Any changes to items presented would affect the proposed budget and require additional action

to balance the budget.

If council chooses to provide direction to amend the fee schedule, we would then fold those

changes in any additional balancing options into the June 10th budget for approval.

If you have any specific questions about items included in this report, department representatives

are here and available to answer.

And finally, on one final note, staff would like to inform council of the citywide fee study

process that kicked off this April this year.

The city's contract with a third party consultant to conduct a comprehensive review over a two year

period, examining current city fees and comparing them against jurisdictions of similar sizes and

service models.

The culmination of this study will result in departments correctly charging for services and cost recovery.

Thank you.

That concludes the report.

My understanding is one at a time.

I'm happy to introduce the next.

Okay.

So, public comment on this item?

Yes, Mayor, I have three speakers on this agenda item.

Matt McDonald, Kaylee Olgerson, and Chris Valencia.

Good evening.

I'm Matt McDonald with the other members.

Good evening.

I'm Matt McDonald with the California Apartment Association, representing over 3,000 rental property owners in Sacramento,

the vast majority of whom are mom-and-pop owners who operate on very thin margins.

It is because of those mom-and-pops that CAA stands against this proposed fee increase.

One thing that we want to press upon you is that rental housing is price-controlled.

So when government decides to hike its fees, it is very likely that those costs cannot ever be recovered by a housing provider.

Rental inspection fees, building permit fees, plan check fees, not to mention property tax and operational cost increases

that businesses have to withstand just like the city does, these will add up to driving some providers out of the market.

At some date off into the future, when housing inventory drops and you wonder why,

you can look at this proposal and know at least part of the answer if it has passed.

Further in the past month, I've heard the word structural deficit about 1,000 times.

So here is my question.

When do we get to the structural part?

The 300-plus fee increases the council is considering right now aren't structural,

nor are the 101 increases to the fire fees later tonight.

In addition to the $62 million deficit this year, you've got another $30 million in deficit coming next year.

When will we start hearing about structural solutions like possibly a two-year budget cycle?

The city needs to start thinking differently about how it will approach this problem so that we are not back here next year

having the same exact conversation about businesses carrying the burden for others' runaway costs.

Thank you.

Thank you for your comments.

Kaylee Olgerson.

Good evening, Mayor McCarty and Council members.

My name is Kaylee Olgerson, and I'm here on behalf of the Sacramento Metropolitan Chamber of Commerce

and our member businesses that are citywide.

We urge the council to take a thoughtful and inclusive approach when considering the fiscal year 2025-2026 citywide fees

that are proposed tonight.

Many of the fee adjustments proposed collectively represent a substantial financial burden for local businesses.

These changes are occurring in the context of broader set cost increases and economic uncertainty,

including inflation, staffing shortages, and an involving regulatory environment.

For small and mid-sized employers in particular, this cumulative impact is significant.

We appreciate that some fee structures must be modernized to reflect current service levels and costs.

However, modernization should not come at the expense of predictability or viability

for the very businesses that drive Sacramento's economic recovery.

Thank you for your time and consideration tonight.

Thank you for your comments.

Chris Valencia is our final speaker on this item.

Good evening, Mr. Mayor and members of the City Council.

My name is Chris Valencia, and I'm here on behalf of the North State Building Industry Association.

I urge this council to take a cautious and thoughtful approach in considering all the numerous measures intended to raise funds.

It is not just a single fee that is of concern, but numerous increased costs when added together.

Overly burdensome tax liability will drive away entrepreneurs looking to invest in our city,

leaving areas that should be thriving in continued blight.

When operating a business in the city is not sustainable, there will be less overall revenue to rely upon.

In the midst of a housing crisis, increased costs will slow development,

and even more costs increase could bring development to a complete halt as we face an economically uncertain future.

Developers plan for projects based on established fees,

and these types of unexpected jumps can put projects in jeopardy.

For the economic health of the city, increases should be halted,

and a holistic conversation about costs should be held with stakeholders

so that we can reach a fair middle ground to ensure the viability of our city and business community.

Simply reaching further into the pockets of already struggling entrepreneurs

will not bring about the economic revitalization that so many of us envision for our great city.

I urge this council to proceed with caution in enacting further fees.

Thank you.

Thank you for your comments.

Mayor, I have no more speakers.

Okay.

Thank you.

Council Member Dickinson.

Thanks, Mayor.

I have a procedural question.

I want to make sure I, if I heard correctly,

you said notwithstanding approving this, it's all subject to approval in the budget.

That is correct.

Okay.

So.

Two votes.

So I'm still trying to then parse if there's a particular fee that we're not enthused about,

or any of us are not enthused about.

How do we vote no on this and then yes on the budget,

or try to separate it out in the budget discussion?

So what I would recommend is, you know, moving this public hearing forward,

or closing the public hearing and approving this report, which is more informational,

doesn't impact your ability during deliberations tonight or adoption on June 10th to say,

hey, I don't like this fee increase.

You know, you're going to be talking about that tonight.

I don't like this fee increase, so I don't want to do it.

You would give us that direction and we would incorporate that in the final budget.

Okay.

I appreciate that.

I mean, because what the staff report says is approve the resolution,

adopt the resolution approving the citywide fee schedule update.

So that's why I was just trying to figure out this.

And then you can adjust that.

Procedural component to it.

Okay.

I'd just like to add, though, tonight if we,

if there is a fee that we, there is particular consternation with,

much like any other restoration,

we would appreciate the identification of a corresponding reduction in order to pay for that

because any fee that we don't approve will result in less revenue

and a little bit of more of a hole in the budget.

Yes.

Understood.

Okay.

Thank you, Pete.

Thank you.

Mayor Pro Temp-Gara.

Thank you, Mayor.

A question here just procedurally,

because if, if there, if we were to change a fee,

a couple of, one, these have to be done in a public hearing,

but is there some actions by statute require us to have a 10-day notice?

Is, is, are any of those, and they don't have, you don't have to answer that now.

I just, I want to make sure that if,

if the council is going to do that on, on June 10th,

that we're not getting into any, any procedural statutory noticing deadlines.

So what I'd recommend is that we can clarify deadlines.

We can take any of the actions we want in the adopted budget and come and do cleanup

with the necessary resolutions and noticing after the fact.

Okay.

Thank you, Assistant City Manager.

Okay.

Do we already have a motion to second this?

We don't.

Okay.

No more comments or council members or questions.

We have a motion on this item.

Moved by.

So moved.

Council Member Kaplan.

Second by.

Here.

Public hearing.

Open and close the public hearing and a motion on the item.

I'll second it.

Second by Council Member Kaplan.

Second by Council Member Guerra.

All those in favor, please say aye.

Aye.

Any no's or abstentions?

None.

Item passes.

Mayor, that passes unanimously.

We move to item 18, which is entertainment fees amendment.

Good evening, Mayor and members of council.

I'm Dustin Hollingsworth,

the assistant director of the Department of Convention and Cultural Services.

On April 1st, 2025,

the City Council approved an amendment to City Code Title 5, Chapter 108,

relating to permitting entertainment venues.

The amendment, amongst other things,

allowed for the creation of the limited entertainment permit

and renamed some existing entertainment permits

to provide greater clarity

and to reduce confusion with other existing permit types.

For example, the special entertainment permit

was often confused with special entertainment permit

was renamed to the temporary entertainment permit.

When Tina Lee Vogt from the Office of Nighttime Economy

and I presented on the amendment

to the entertainment establishment ordinance,

we indicated that we were still assessing the proposed fees

associated with the limited entertainment permit

and that we would return to council

in the coming weeks with a resolution

to amend the citywide fee schedule

to incorporate the new fees

and to adjust the names of other fees

to align with the amendment.

Staff is requesting council pass a motion,

waiving Chapter 15B3 of the City of Sacramento Council Rules of Procedures,

requiring that proposed budget issues,

such as fee increases,

to be reviewed by the Budget and Audit Committee

prior to being brought before council

as needed for these fees

had been discussed as part of the council discussion

on April 1st

and are critical for the implementation

of the limited entertainment permit.

Staff is proposing a $750 fee

for the limited entertainment

and a renewal fee of $650.

Each limited entertainment permit

is good for two years

and has the potential for an extension

of up to an additional two years.

In effect, that would mean

a cost of approximately $200 per year

if they were able to get that.

That incentivizes compliance

and good behavior from the permit holders.

No other fees are being changed at this time

in the resolution, however,

fee names are being updated

to align with the amendment

as was approved by city council

on April 1st, 2025

and went into effect on May 2nd of 2025.

These fees are not a tax

under Proposition 26

as they fall under Exception 3A,

a charge being imposed

by a reasonable regulatory cost

by a local government

issuing licenses or permits,

performing investigations,

inspections and audits,

enforcing agricultural marketing orders

and administrative enforcement

or adjudication thereof.

And I'm available for questions.

Okay.

I have two speakers on the item.

Shall we take those now?

Okay.

Yes, please.

Thank you.

Madeline Noel and Dion Dwyer.

Good evening, Mayor and Council.

I'm Madeline Noel

with the Downtown Sacramento Partnership.

I just wanted to say we're very enthusiastically

in support of the adoption

of the new entertainment permitting program,

specifically including

the limited entertainment permits.

This tailored framework

will significantly ease burdens

on our smaller businesses,

unlocking new opportunities

and enhancing the unique diversity

of downtown's entertainment offerings.

Thank you for championing

our local economy.

Thank you for your comments.

Deion Dwyer.

Good evening, Mayor and Council.

Deion Dwyer representing

the R Street Partnership.

I want to thank staff and council

for their work on this item.

It's been a long time in the works.

It's the right thing to do.

This will help to activate sidewalk cafes

and restaurants without creating

a financial burden for that activation.

We support the fabrication of this permit

and urge approval of this new item.

Thank you.

Thank you for your comments.

Mayor, I have no more speakers

on this item.

Looks like Council Member Maple.

All right.

Thank you, Madam City Clerk.

I would like to open and close

the public hearing

and just really appreciate staff so much.

Thank you, Tina,

and to your team for this.

I know it's been a long time coming

and I know it's a priority

for many of our small businesses

in the city

and I especially think along

in my district in Oak Park,

along Stockton Boulevard.

There's so many places

where I think these businesses

have been looking for an opportunity

to do something

and I think we've been

really forward thinking in that way

and I just really appreciate

all the work that's gone into this.

Thank you.

Council Member Dickinson.

Thanks.

Again, well,

both the procedural

and substantive question.

I'm just,

is it because of timing

that these didn't go through the committee?

Not just this one,

but all three of these,

well, the next one did,

but the last two.

Yeah.

Is that fundamentally?

This was as a matter of timing,

trying to get

the limited entertainment permit

as identified staff

or the ordinance update

went into effect on May 2nd.

So without having the fee,

we are unable to start

issuing limited entertainment permits.

Okay.

But we approved moving ahead

with this on April 1st.

Correct.

The 30-day for the ordinance to pass.

You're just getting to establishing

the fees though now.

That's correct.

This was continued from April 29th.

Okay.

And as to the fees,

they have to reflect,

you say they reflect cost recovery.

You've done an analysis that shows that?

That's correct.

Okay.

I would appreciate it in the future

for these kinds of things

if you show your work,

show what you've done

to justify the fee

that you're charging

because there's no way

we know it otherwise.

Absolutely.

Thanks.

I'll second if nobody close.

I closed and you seconded.

Yes.

Okay.

There we go.

We have a motion and a second

on this item.

All those in favor,

please say aye.

Aye.

Any nosed or abstentions?

Hearing none,

unanimous.

Thank you.

We are moving on to item 19,

which is proposed

fire prevention fee adjustments.

Good evening,

Mayor,

Council,

Interim Manager.

My name is Tilden Billader.

I'm a Deputy Chief

and I oversee

Community Services.

Tonight,

I have a short presentation

to discuss

the fire prevention fees

proposed.

Also,

I have Jason Lee,

our Fire Marshal,

as well as

Musume Razanami,

our Administrative Officer,

and Patrick Dyer

from our

fee studies company

that did our survey

if we have any questions

to address

after the presentation.

Okay,

so our

last fire prevention fee increase

was in July of 2018.

That's also the same time

that we increased

our EMS fees.

The time before that

was all the way back

in 2009.

Back in 2018,

Council approved

the same strategy

that we're proposing tonight,

which is 100% cost recovery

for all fees

except for the A2

and A3 occupancies.

The A2 and A3 occupancies

represent about 800 businesses

and include examples

like restaurants,

bars,

nightclubs,

bakeries,

cafes,

and churches.

In June of 2024,

we were given direction

to recover costs

related to providing

programs and services.

Since the last study

was completed,

fire prevention

has seen a 183%

increase in special events

and over a 40%

increase in new construction

and plan checks

as well as annual inspections.

In 2024,

Sacramento Fire Department

entered into a contract

with a third-party vendor

to conduct

a department-wide fee study.

It's probably important

to note that

that fee study

is still being conducted.

The only two

that we've completed

at this time

is the EMS fee study

as well as

the fire prevention fee study.

Fire prevention analysis

was completed

in March of 2025.

A piece of that analysis

was the fire department

is currently recovering

54% of our cost of services.

Our community outreach efforts

started in March of 2025

and have gone up

to about 30 minutes ago.

We've been meeting

with community partners

addressing questions

and concerns.

We started meeting

with the mayor

and council

as well as

a lot of the business partners

on that list

you see there.

A number...

Bless you.

A number of those

partners we've met with,

Jason or the fire chief

have met with

multiple times

in the last couple weeks.

We also presented

to budget audit committee

in last April.

At that time,

the proposal was

100% cost recovery.

Through some conversations

and some feedback

we've got,

we've modified that

to what is in front

of you tonight.

So the proposed fee

increase tonight,

we are using

the same strategic approach

that was used

back in 2018,

which is 100% cost recovery

on all fees

except for A2

and A3 occupancies

that I described

a little bit earlier.

Those will be set

at a 75% cost recovery.

Every July thereafter,

there will be

a CPI increase.

I don't think

I noted it earlier,

but back in 2018,

what was also voted on

was an annual CPI increase.

That's been effective

every July.

The average

of that CPI increase

up to date

has been about 3%.

And lastly,

moving forward,

we will move

to have

and conduct

a new fee study

every three years.

That is the conclusion

of the presentation.

Okay,

thank you so much

for your presentation.

We're going to take

public comment first

and then council comments.

Thank you,

Vice Mayor.

I have 11 speakers.

The first is

Elgin Bradley

and Frank Louie

and Tina Nguyen

and Juan Navallo.

Good evening,

Mayor and City Council.

The mayor is not here.

However,

hopefully,

he'll be aware

of what it is

that I have to say

this evening.

I've been operating

a business

on the boulevard

since 1979.

For 35 years,

I operated this business.

During that time,

I had many,

many conditions

that I had to adhere to,

including fire inspections,

insurance inspections,

conditions that I had to meet

in order to have insurance

on my place of business.

And over those period of time,

I noticed that there's redundancy

and that redundancy

has always been a cost to me

as a business operator.

Fire department inspections

are conducted

and insurance requirements

are required.

They require the exact same thing

for us to be able

to operate a safe business,

a business in which

they are willing

to cover insurance-wise

that the fire department

comes in

and conduct their inspections.

So as a result

of having to pay

increased insurance fees,

fire department fees,

increased fire inspection fees,

as well as all the other fees

that we have to adhere to

and pay as a business,

it's a real burden

on a small business

to try to operate

and be successful.

My concern is

these increased fees

could possibly

cause businesses

to have to shut down

or not even be able

to comply with the regulations

and the requirements

that is going to be necessary

in order for us

to open up

and provide a safe place

for people to be able

to gather

and provide a service to.

Self-certification,

self-inspections,

is what it is

that I believe

would be in the best interest

of a business owner,

a business operator,

and the city.

We know what it is

that we have to do

in order to keep

our people safe,

provide a safe environment,

have a safe operation

that will comply

with what it is

that the city requires,

the insurance requires,

and all the other

state inspectors

who visit our...

Thank you for your comments.

Your time is complete.

Frank Louie

is our next speaker,

then Tina Nguyen.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Good evening,

Mayor,

City Council Members.

My name is Frank Louie,

and I'm Executive Director

of the Stockton Boulevard Partnership.

We represent over 420

diverse small businesses

along the commercial corridor.

Many of your small

mom-and-pop businesses

still struggling

to survive post-COVID

and having to navigate

economic challenges

from the recent tariffs,

which contributes

to a higher cost

of doing business.

For these reasons,

the Stockton Boulevard Partnership

does not support

the proposed fee inspection

fee increases being presented

to Council tonight.

The proposed increase

scheduled to begin

in July of 2025

is the first

of what many become

a reoccurring fee escalation

every three years

with future increases

to be reassessed,

potentially approved

by Council.

While we fully support

fire safety

and understand the need

for sufficient staffing

within the fire department,

this fee proposal

disproportionately impacts

small businesses

already operating

on thin margins.

The fact that

the increased revenue

directly contributes

to balancing

the city's 2025-2026 budget

reveals that this is not

simply about public safety,

but it's also about

structural budget fix

being placed on the backs

of small businesses.

To address the staffing needs

without unjustly burdening

small businesses,

we urge the city council

to explore self-certification

programs for low-risk

occupancies.

These programs

already are used

in other municipalities

but allow eligible businesses

to complete

a basic fire compliance

checklist annually,

reserving the fire department's

inspection for higher-risk

operation.

This would reduce

the inspection volume,

save city resources,

and lower the cost

of compliance

for small businesses.

We ask the city

work with the businesses

on the Stockton Boulevard

to develop more

equitable,

innovative solutions.

Thank you for your comments.

Your time is complete.

Thank you for your comment.

Your time is complete.

Tina Nguyen,

then Juan Novello,

then Matt McDonald.

Hello, Mayor,

City Council Members

and fellow citizens.

My name is Tina Nguyen,

and I'm one of the many

business owners

on the Stockton Boulevard corridor.

First, I would like to say

I fully support

the fire department.

Jason Lee has been great

in helping me in other things.

So this is not an opposition

to the fire department,

but I would like to offer

a solution to maximize

those resources

and find a creative solution,

and that would be

self-certification.

I already have to pay

a fire protection company

to come out

and tag my fire extinguisher.

I think having them,

and it's redundant,

and when we're talking

about redundancy

and inefficiency,

that's one of them.

Secondly,

my insurance carrier

also sends someone out,

a third party,

to do the inspection.

So if we could form

a self-certification portal

where these items

can be uploaded

and that would be sufficient

for the fire department,

we can then shift

those resources

to something more important

where they can be

on the front lines

and where they're

necessary

and not at my restaurant

trying to figure out

if I have the preventative

measures to stop a fire,

which I already have

to do anyway.

So that would be the first.

The second,

I saw on the list of fees

that apartment units

between 3 and 15

already self-certify.

I'm curious to see

what that method is

and if we can apply it

to the rest of the other

retail industries

or industries

and retail businesses.

I don't know

if you saw on the list

as well,

the Golden 1 Center

currently pays $654

per business

in the Golden 1 Center.

That hike

is over 1,000%.

It's going to be $7,045

for each business

to get certified

by the fire department.

If you are a King's fan,

you will know

that those prices

are already high

and if a small business

like that

has to incur

this kind of cost annually,

I don't know

what that would do

to those businesses

but I can only speak

for myself.

It may seem incremental

to you,

you know,

$450 to $739

but we spend

so much money

on other permits,

sales, licenses,

alarm permits,

storm drains.

Thank you for your comments.

Your time is complete.

Juan Novello

and Matt McDonald.

Good evening, Mayor,

Council members,

staff,

and members of the public.

My name is Juan Novello,

Vice President

for the Sacramento

Hispanic Chamber of Commerce.

I want to begin

by recognizing

the critical role

that fire prevention

plays in the safety

and sustainability

of our city

and our small businesses too.

We appreciate

the work of the fire department

and the city staff

in conducting

a comprehensive study

and recognizing

the unique impact

fee adjustments

may happen

for small businesses.

We also acknowledge

and thank the department

for responding

to stakeholder feedback

by reducing proposed fees

for small businesses

under A2

and A3

assembly categories.

However,

many of our members,

especially our restaurants,

daycares,

and culturally-based

event centers,

the doubling

of this cost

on top of everything else

that they have to manage

at this particular point

and for what is to come

both from the state

and federal administration.

This creates a shock

that they're not poised

to absorb

in a single year.

Therefore,

we respectfully ask

that the city council

consider phasing

in this proposed fees

increases

over a four-year period,

applying 25% increases annually.

This phased approach

has precedent

here in the city.

It has been used effectively

with specific plans,

park impact fees,

department of utilities,

and it allows

for business owners

to plan

for cost adjustments

while staying compliant

and managing

their operations.

Small businesses

are key partners

in Sacramento's

economic resilience.

Let's ensure

that these fee policies

support their sustainability

and their growth,

especially as we work together

towards long-term

budget sustainability.

Thank you.

Thank you for your comments.

Matt McDonald,

then Kaylee Olgerson.

Good evening again.

Matt McDonald with CAA.

You should have all seen

two letters from us.

One, a coalition letter

joined by 12 other

local organizations

with concerns

about the fire fee increase.

The other just from CAA

that outlines

our specific concerns

with how the fire fee increase

will impact rental housing.

Tonight,

we don't want to minimize

the value of the work

of the fire department

that they do for the community.

We do appreciate

the fire department

taking the time

to brief many of us

on the business community

on their arguments

in favor of the fee changes.

In particular,

Jason Lee,

his position was not envious.

But we do want it

to be understood

that we feel

doubling fire inspection fees

is an overreach.

regardless of the reasons,

no private business

would be able to explain

to its customers

why it should suddenly

pay double

for any good or service.

In particular,

we object to the 118% increase

that will be borne

by small mom-and-pop

rental apartment operators

of 3 to 15 units

doing,

already doing,

a self-certification

inspection process.

Now, imagine you're an owner.

You're doing the inspection

work yourself,

and suddenly the city

is telling you

that you need to pay

the fire department

more than double

to do the work yourself.

Budget deficit

or no budget deficit,

there needs to be

a reasonable relationship

between the service provided

and the money paid.

We ask the council

to consider removing

the fee increase

for 3 to 15 unit

self-certification providers.

Doing so would signal

some level of relief

to our thinnest margin

housing providers

from this council.

Thank you.

Thank you for your comments.

Kaylee Olgerson,

then James Allison,

then James Parker.

Hello again,

Mayor McCarty

and council members.

I'm here on behalf

of the Sacramento

Metropolitan Chamber

of Commerce

and our member businesses

across the city

of Sacramento.

We recognize

the city's responsibility

to ensure public safety

and address fiscal challenges.

However,

the proposed fire

prevention fee increases,

which in many cases

will double

and take effect

in just over a month

if approved tonight,

pose a significant

financial burden

on local businesses.

We urge the council

to adopt a phased

implementation,

allowing businesses

time to plan

and adjust.

Finally,

we ask the council

to consider

the broader context.

A $62 million budget deficit

and additional fee

increases citywide.

The cumulative impact

on Sacramento's

business community

is substantial

and must be thoughtfully

weighed together.

Thank you for your time.

James Allison.

Good evening, Mayor,

council members and staff.

My name is James Allison

with the Power and Alliance,

a property business

improvement district

representing over

1,100 properties,

businesses,

and over 30,000 jobs

in Sacramento's

manufacturing

and industrial core.

You know,

when I first brought

this item

to our stakeholders,

the immediate response

was,

oh,

the firefighters

need something?

What do they need?

Name it.

We're going to help.

Followed very quickly

by how much?

And that really

kind of summarizes

the general setting

that we're talking

about right now.

A lot of times

you're going to hear

potentially tonight

or as the next couple

of weeks move forward

that, you know,

increasing fees

and not being helpful

to our business community

is going to drive

businesses out of Sacramento.

I don't necessarily

prescribe to that notion

because I think

that it implies

that that's not

already happening.

I power in both

some of the lowest

vacancy rates

that we have here

in the city of Sacramento

and we're already

seeing long-time

high-value clients

and tenants

leaving our district

to go either

across the river

or further down

Highway 50.

We need to be very careful

with the conversations

that were happening

because just as the city

itself has to deal

with setting a budget

every year

and analyzing its own costs,

so must every single

business in Sacramento.

What we need to look at

is not simply this issue

as a silo,

but understanding

that the previous

conversation that we've had

followed by the subsequent

conversations we've had

are all happening

within the same ecosystem

and every single fee

that you look at

that sees a business

cost increasing

is weighing into the calculus

of how long I can continue

to do business

here in the city

of Sacramento.

So at the very least,

please,

we're offering a solution

to please just bring forward

a phased approach

if we must,

something that can be

absorbed over time

and really felt

over an extended period

because simply put,

100% increase overnight

isn't feasible

for any business.

Thank you.

Thank you for your comments.

Jameson Parker,

then Dion Dwyer,

then Madeline Noel.

Good evening,

Mayor and Council members.

Jameson Parker

on behalf of the

Midtown Association

representing over 1,300 properties

with the mission

of making Midtown

the center of cultural

creativity and vibrancy.

I want to start by,

like many others,

expressing our appreciation

for the fire department

and the essential work

that they provide

to keep our community safe.

I want to also acknowledge

the leadership

of the fire department

as they've continued

to be an excellent partner

of Midtown.

However,

we do have concerns

with the proposed

fire prevention fee adjustments

as they're presenting

here this evening.

Our concern is not just

with the fee adjustment

in isolation,

but really with the city's

ongoing pattern

of implementing new fees

department by department

without evaluating

the overall burden on them.

While some larger ownerships

will be able to absorb

the cost of those fees,

it's the small businesses,

including our restaurants,

venues,

our event organizers

that will really be hurt

by these fees the most.

In Midtown alone,

over 55% of our sales tax revenue

comes from these small businesses,

many of which are already operating

on a very thin margin

with a very challenging

public space conditions.

Businesses do not have the option

of increasing prices

or reducing costs

to account for these increases.

If the city does move forward

with the increased fees,

we ask that it be phased in

using a multi-year approach

that small businesses

and events can receive

specific considerations.

This has been a standard

used for the city,

using it in a specific plan,

the adoption of park impact fees,

the department of utility fees

as well.

In particular,

we would ask that

it would be looked at

a multi-year approach,

four years and a 25%

tranche at a time.

Let's ensure that the path forward

balances public safety

with economic sustainability

of our businesses,

making sure that we make

Midtown and Sacramento

a vibrant and livable area.

Thank you.

Dionne Dwyer,

then Madeline Noel.

Good evening.

Dionne Dwyer

with the R Street Partnership.

We obviously support

our first responders

and we want to applaud

the leadership

of the fire department.

We understand the impacts

that we're all facing

this evening

with the city budget,

but we are also asking

for a phased approach.

This has been done in the past

with many other fees.

We're looking for transparency

and clarity

for small businesses

in our district.

We understand fees

are inevitable

as we move forward

with the large budget gap,

but we'd ask that it be done

so in a phased approach.

I'll leave it at that.

Thank you, sir.

Madeline Noel,

then Chris Valencia

will be our final speaker.

Hi, Council Members,

Mayor and Mr. Jason Lee.

I'm Madeline Noel

with the Downtown Sacramento Partnership,

a property-based

improvement district

responsible for fundamentally

serving our central neighborhood

in the heart of Sacramento.

First, thank you

to the fire department

for their work

preparing tonight's

comprehensive report.

We appreciate

the ongoing dialogue

with the fire marshal

and deputy chief

and look forward

to continuing

these conversations

to ensure a thoughtful,

sustainable approach

to fire prevention

fee adjustments.

We understand

the city's needs

to recover costs

for essential

fire prevention services.

However,

an increase of this magnitude

risks unintended consequences.

Job losses,

reduced sales tax revenues,

and long-term erosion

of the economic base

that funds

essential city services.

In short,

when businesses struggle,

our city struggles.

To reach 100% cost recovery,

we urge a phased approach,

perhaps a 25% annual increase

over the next four years.

This would give businesses

more time to adapt

while still meeting

the city's long-term fiscal goals.

But to truly confront

an ongoing structural deficit

effectively,

we must seek to grow

our economy

and generate revenue

through economic development.

Policies that will grow

our transient occupancy tax

and sales tax

before placing the full weight

on local businesses

and their customers.

Sacramento's momentum

depends on a balanced,

sustainable solutions.

Fire prevention is vital,

and so is business viability.

We're committed

to working together

toward a plan

that supports both.

Thank you.

Thank you for your comments.

Chris Valencia.

Hello, Mr. Mayor

and members of the City Council.

It's me again,

Chris Valencia,

on behalf of the

North State Building

Industry Association.

I want to first start off

by thanking Fire Marshal Lee

for all the work

that he's done

and all the engagement.

We really, truly do appreciate

you working with us on this.

As we've heard,

there is much concern

about all the fee increases

being considered by this Council

with more to come.

The staggering jump

of this proposed fee increase

is another example

of one that will hit

our business community hard.

While we understand

the fee adjustment

is necessary,

we request that this new schedule

be phased in over four years

at 25% a year,

at 25% a year

until fully realized.

Drastic increases

such as these

will have detrimental impact

on our business community,

slowing development,

the establishment

of new businesses,

and negatively affecting

the sustainability

of current businesses.

During a time

of increasing economic uncertainty,

it is important

that we do not

overburden our businesses

that are facing

the same fiscal challenges,

doing what they can

just to keep their doors open

and employees on payroll.

We ask that there be

a collaborative approach

with stakeholders

as we all seek solutions

to maintain

our vital city services

together.

Again,

I urge caution

and consideration

of new fees

and that the cumulative impact

of all these proposed

increases be considered.

Thank you.

Thank you for your comments.

May I have no more speakers

on this item?

Okay.

One more final one.

Thank you very much.

Mr. Smith?

You just call me Mr. Smith.

Okay, Mr. Smith.

Go ahead.

What I'm doing

is I'm going to be able

to allow Mr. Musk

to actually have a home

and have his children

because he hasn't been

in this country

as long as I have,

75 years.

Now,

I'm converting

your military disaster relief

and I've got the molecules

done with what I'm doing

and, for example,

the things I'm going

to be starting out,

they told me I'm going

to be doing 3 million units

and not 1 million units

with these companies

from China

and they also told me

I had a bug on my phone.

Now, I've been getting bugged

and really bugged

personally

because all these people

who are in all these

administrative positions,

not you guys,

and you're doing the best

you can with what you have

to work with,

have been really getting

adulterized ever since

they got into office

because they're taking

the money now

and they're running

and as the governor,

I mean,

the president has

brought in all his

CEOs from other countries

from all the effectively

dealing with all the countries

in the world,

companies,

right down to the molecules

and material solutions.

We have the physics

and we have the chemistry,

which Elon knows,

and then Elon gets stuck

doing assembly

and he has to sit

on the assembly line

and he's got five-minute meetings

and then all of a sudden

he gets to do his own thing

and he's got all these

perfect people

for the jobs

like Bill Gates had,

hired all the better people

and he had to go to Apple

to get Steve Jobs

to have the programming

for the Apple computers.

Now,

where I'm at

is to be in a position

like nobody else is

because I do this work

around the clock

and I've been up

like for the last eight days

and I only sleep

about two hours a day

and I have to eat my diet

and I'm going to have

all these people on my diet

because they look like ducks

and you understand

that I read somewhere

that the president

and Elon was doing

Pepsi,

10 Pepsis a day,

500 milligrams

diet Pepsis,

that's 5,000 milligrams

of caffeine a day.

Hello?

That's why the president's

face is red

and he's just being a puppet

trying to watch out

for his own money

and that's what it's showing

in every article

you see in the papers

practically

and so what we're dealing

with here

is a lot of publicity

and it's just what

they like to go by.

Thank you for your comments.

Your two minutes

is complete.

Mayor,

I have no more speakers.

Okay,

thank you.

No more public comment.

Council Member Maple,

you're up.

Thank you,

Mayor and thank you

to our public commenters

and speakers.

Some of you have been

with us since this morning.

I saw your shining faces

in law and legislation

committees so thank you

for sticking with us.

It was a very long,

long day

but obviously

very important topics

that not only impact

our residents,

our small businesses,

everyone in our community

so thank you for being

partners with us

in this really difficult time

as we discuss

our budget deficit.

I have a couple questions

related to the proposed

fire fees.

The first question

I have is actually

one that got brought up

by some of our commenters

from the Stockton Boulevard

Partnership

around the self-certification

and so that is a question

that I have.

You know,

if what I have heard

is that

if you are to have

an insurance certificate

from your insurance company

as one of these businesses

that they come out

and do an inspection

and that there's a possibility

that that could

that insurance certification

could be used

as a self-certification

instead of having

the fire department

come out

and do a separate inspection

and I'm wondering

if you can help me

understand that.

That's a great question.

Hi,

Mayor,

Council,

Chris Castamonio,

Fire Chief.

So,

the insurance inspection

is an inspection

of liability.

When the fire department

goes out

and certifies

whether it be a business

or an apartment complex

it's a health

and safety inspection.

We're inspecting

their occupancy load.

We're inspecting

their fire protection systems.

When we inspect

and we leave a permit

behind

for the annual inspection

that can be used

with the insurance company

unlike a liability inspection

that's done

by an insurance company

that does not cover

the fire inspection

side of the house.

Okay.

So,

essentially these are

different kinds

of inspections.

They're definitely

different types

of inspections

and it depends

on the insurance company

that you're working with

what they will accept

but we do have

a thorough inspection

that we can leave behind

for the,

with the permit

for them to submit

to their insurance company.

Okay.

So,

what I'm hearing

is it can go

one way

but not the other.

So,

for example,

if you come out

and do your inspection,

some insurance companies

will accept that

and say,

yes,

that will count

as an inspection

for us

and we'll insure

without doing

their own inspection

but we can't necessarily

do it the other way around

because what they're looking

for are different things

potentially.

Yes,

they're looking at

the liability

that they have insured.

We're looking at

the health and safety

of the occupants

of the building.

The fire protection systems

that are in place

whether it be

a sprinkler system

or a hood system

at a restaurant,

it's a different inspection.

Okay.

And just so I understand,

you know,

obviously if you have

a restaurant

or some other kind

of small businesses

typically there's more

than one type of thing

that you're going

to be inspecting,

right?

So,

you might inspect the hood

or you might inspect

something else.

Do you typically try

to do all of those

in one and kind of

knock them out

as much as you can

in one shot

or do you find yourself

going out often

and then folks

are having to pay fees

that maybe they're

not expecting?

Go ahead,

Jason.

Good evening,

Mayor and Council.

My name is Jason Lemon,

Fire Marshal

for the City of Sacramento.

To kind of explain

our inspection process,

yes,

when we do our annual inspections

or our fire inspection,

we will do

a comprehensive inspection

and it's based

upon state code.

So,

that's what is the driver

for our inspections.

It's based upon state code

which is out of Title 24

and also Title 19.

So,

that gives us

the legal authority

to do the inspections.

But,

yes,

we do do

a comprehensive inspection

of all fire protection systems

and of all

of the areas

and so forth

to make sure

that everyone's

safe.

Okay.

One of the other comments

that I heard

and thank you

was around apartment,

this is switching over

to housing now

for apartments

one through 13

that they

have previously

been able

to self-certify

and now we're moving

away from that.

Is that correct?

Yes,

that's correct

and that was,

that's an

older ordinance for us.

It was put on the books

back in the 80s

and in fact,

if we could take it off tonight,

I would take it off tonight.