Good evening. Welcome to the March 10th 2025 meeting of the Sacramento Community Police

Review Commission. This meeting is now called to order. Will the clerk please call the roll to establish a quorum.

Thank you chair. Members please unmute. Commissioner Sample.

President. Commissioner John Johnson.

Commissioner Corbz.

Commissioner Carter Martinez.

Commissioner Griggs.

Commissioner Jeanine Lewis.

Currently absent. Commissioner Mervyn Brookens.

Commissioner Salazar.

Commissioner and Vice Chair Buenrostro.

Thank you. We have quorum.

Thank you. I would like to remind members of the public in the chambers that if you would like to speak on an agenda item, please turn in a speaker slip when the item begins.

To provide greater community participation in our commission's work, we will also allow more time for members of the public to give comments and

we'll ask the clerk to accept speaker slips until the final speaker has concluded their comments.

For matters not on the agenda, you will have five minutes to speak once you are called upon. For matters listed on the agenda, you will have three minutes to speak once you are called upon.

We will also be adjusting the order of our agenda to hear staff updates first, starting with a chair followed by the Office of Public Safety and Accountability, then the Sacramento Police Department.

Next, we will hear public comments matters not on the agenda followed by the consent calendar and then the discussion calendar.

We will now proceed with today's agenda.

And first, we will proceed with the land acknowledgement followed by the Pledge of Allegiance.

Let's all stand for the land acknowledgement.

We are rising for the opening acknowledgement in honor of Sacramento's Indigenous people in tribal lands to the original people of this land, the Nisessan people to the southern may my do.

Valley and Plains, me walk, Pat Wynn, Winton peoples and the people of the Wilton, Renteria, Sacramento's only federally recognized tribe.

May we acknowledge and honor the native people who came before us and still walk besides us today on these ancestral lands by choosing to gather together today in the active practice of acknowledgement and appreciation for Sacramento's Indigenous people's history contributions and lives.

Thank you.

Please remain standing for the Pledge of Allegiance.

I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands one nation under God, indivisible with liberty and justice for all.

I am now going to hand the mic over to Commissioner Carter Martinez, who is an Alita and a remembrance of Commissioner C. Wayne Johnson.

We've also told a couple of things in common. We talked about his love for his dog and I shared how we would like share pictures of our dogs and little funny stories.

We all talked about his love for fashion and people on the commission will probably remember he always had a great, you know, loud shirt on or some bracelets or accessories in his pocket and was just always wonderfully dressed and always really fair and kind.

When he was disagreeing or counseling somebody did it with the utmost kindness and respect and that was really beautiful.

I know we'll all miss him, we'll miss his work on this commission, we'll miss his life in our community and if you would indulge me, I'd like to take a moment of silence for him.

Zee may your memory be for a blessing, we will miss you. Thank you.

Thank you, Commissioner Carter Martinez and if I may, I just want to share my appreciation for the contributions that Commissioner C. Win Johnson made to this body and to the greater city of Sacramento.

He was always very clear in his comments and his spirit was always to move the work forward and that's appreciated.

One reflection that I just want to have is that our time is short and may we remember the contributions of Commissioner Johnson but also use that as a reminder that the work that we're doing here is to try to improve the lives of people in Sacramento to try to collaborate with the police department and with the city.

And to also better inform our citizens and our residents and our community members. So thank you, Commissioner.

Next and bear with me this is my first time chairing a meeting so.

Next we will move on to updates so the first will be the chairs update and I'll just be very short in that I just want to acknowledge I am not necessarily I think I'm acting chair in that.

I just want to acknowledge the fact that it has been a long two months since the year started for a lot of us.

But we are hurting a lot of community members that feel unsettled a lot of community members that need to be reminded that.

The city of Sacramento sir to serve them and one thing that I do want to appreciate is that as I have looked through comments supporting our undocumented city or undocumented community members that are living in the city of Sacramento.

And I think that the comments that the police department has made just reassuring them that the police department is here to serve them and to protect them.

And one item that I would like to request for a future meeting is just an update from the police department on the messages that we can share.

And also what they have been doing in order to reassure or community members.

There are some examples from the city of Sacramento that I think have been great.

There are examples from other cities that I will be sharing with the police department as well in an effort to just share knowledge and appreciation for some of these efforts.

But the work is not done when it comes to reassuring our community members.

There is still more to be done. There are still a lot of messages that might not be getting out to all community members.

So it is something for us to keep being mindful of and that some of us here live in privilege and that we don't have to be afraid of what happens due to our status.

And there are other community members that need to be more mindful of that.

And with that, I'm going to move on to.

Oh, yes, of course, to the welcome.

I want to welcome the new commissioners that are joining us here today.

So we are blessed that our commission is.

Membership has increased.

So I want to welcome commissioner.

I want to welcome the new commissioners.

We have two new commissioners that will be joining us.

So, Merbin Brookings has been appointed and so has Jeanine Lewis.

So we look forward to working with them and collaborating with them as new people come into this body.

Okay.

We are going to move on to update staff updates.

You are requesting staff updates from police department staff.

Yeah, there's any updates.

Clerk's office has no updates at this time.

Okay. Sorry.

Okay.

So I'm going to move on to the consent calendar items.

So we have two items on the consent calendar.

The first one is approval of the Sacramento Community Police Review Commission meeting minutes from.

The second is the Office of Public Safety and Accountability Quarterly Report.

All items listed under the consent calendar are considered and acted upon by one motion.

Anyone may request an item to be removed for separate consideration.

Do we have a motion?

I'm going to give us a verbal report today or.

I'll ask the judge.

I woke up from the little under the weather today.

So we can't understand me.

I apologize.

I'm Jody Johnson Adrian, assistant director for Opsa.

I'm here to answer any questions if you may have them.

The questions that are available at this time, we do have the court of the report that you guys have.

And we're working on our annual report as well.

So if you want to, I can answer any questions.

I am here.

But if you wanted a presentation, we can request that maybe at a later date.

Do we have any questions?

Oh, Commissioner Sample.

I'm just going to make a motion to approve the consent calendar.

I'll second.

Okay. The motion has been made by Commissioner Sample, seconded by Commissioner Carter Martinez.

Thank you, Chair.

So the commission may either do a voice vote so you may call it all in favor.

Or we can do a roll call vote in which I'll do.

Can't get the vote one by one.

However, you'd prefer.

Let's do a voice vote.

All in favor, please say aye.

Aye.

Any opposed?

Okay.

The eyes have it.

The consent calendar has been approved.

Thank you.

Thank you.

And as one thing that I will mention is I would appreciate, we would appreciate maybe a future presentation on the Opsa.

I know it's been approved, but it'd be great to have a presentation and put it on the agenda for a future meeting.

So thank you so much for being here and for being available to answer any questions.

Okay.

The next item on the agenda is.

So I'll request that we move the selection of Chair and Vice Chair up on the agenda.

So the next item will be the selection of Chair and Vice Chair.

Thank you, Vice Chair.

One moment.

Good evening.

My name is Jacob Redberg from the Office of the City Clerk.

There's no staff presentation on this item, but I will remind commissioners of a few things from your staff report.

Members may nominate another member or themselves for Chair or Vice Chair.

Typically nominations will be heard for the Chair position and followed by nominations for the Vice Chair position.

A member may serve as the Chairperson or Vice Chairperson for no more than two calendar years.

And the newly elected Chairperson and Vice Chairperson will start their terms at the next regular meeting.

So of the members on the dius today, everyone is available for, everyone on the dius today is eligible to serve as Chair or Vice Chair.

And I'm available for any questions.

Oh, and my apologies for the record. We have no public speaker slips on this item.

Thank you, Clerk.

So do we have any nominations for Chair and Vice Chair?

I would like to make a nomination, if I may.

I would like to nominate Commissioner Carter Martinez to serve as Chair.

Do I have to accept the nomination? Or do I have to say yes?

I accepted.

Okay.

Yes, you'll need to verbally accept this award. We're decline the nomination.

I accepted.

We'll now need someone to second that motion that you made.

Second.

Do we have any other nominations?

I would like to nominate Karen Corpse as Vice Chair.

Vice Chair, we can nominate.

Commissioner Corpse, do you accept the nomination?

I'm sorry.

I was just saying.

Are we doing Chair first and then we do a Vice Chair?

Yes, and.

Did I hear an alternate motion from Commissioner Griggs to nominate Commissioner Corpse as Chair?

Or was that a-

Did I say what? I thought it said Vice Chair.

You said Vice Chair.

I might know my apologies. I may have missed her.

So before we take a second, we do have the motion for the Chair on the table.

So let's take that motion first and then we can have discussion or people can make a second motion for the Vice Chair position.

Okay, so we have a motion on the table up to a point.

Commissioner Carter Martinez, that's Chair.

With a second by Commissioner Sample, would you like me to do a roll call vote or would you like to call the voice vote?

Let's do a roll call vote.

Thank you.

Commissioner, please unmute your microphones.

Commissioner Sample, aye.

Commissioner Johnson.

Aye.

Commissioner Corpse.

Aye.

Commissioner Carter Martinez.

Aye.

Commissioner Griggs.

Aye.

Commissioner Janine Lewis is absent.

Commissioner Brookens is absent.

Commissioner Espinoza Salazar is absent.

And Vice Chair Buenroestro.

Aye.

Thank you. The motion passes.

Congratulations. Commissioner Carter Martinez.

Thank you.

The Chair for the motion.

So I get the gavel.

Next meeting.

Next meeting.

Okay.

And then we have, there's a motion on the table for the Vice Chair position by Commissioner Griggs nominating Commissioner Corpse as the Vice Chair.

And we do not yet have a second.

Excellent.

So I now have a second by Commissioner Sample.

And I will do the roll call vote.

Oh, can I make a nomination also?

Oh, absolutely.

I'd like to nominate Commissioner Buenroestro to be Vice Chair.

And I accept the nomination.

Is there a second on that motion?

Second.

All right.

So now, and City Attorney correct me if I'm wrong, but I will now do the roll call vote for the alternate motion.

Commissioner, please unmute.

Commissioner Sample.

Any partner for the committee?

Can you clarify the motion?

Sorry.

Sorry.

So we had a, we had a main motion made by Commissioner Griggs nominating Commissioner Corpse to the Vice Chair position.

And I was seconded by Commissioner Sample.

There was an alternate motion by Commissioner Carter Martinez nominating Commissioner Buenroestro for the Vice Chair position.

And that was seconded by Commissioner John Johnson.

Parliamentary procedure dictates that we take the vote for the alternate motion first.

And then if that does not pass, we'll do the motion.

We'll do the, the main motion.

So right now we're voting on the alternate motion, which is for Vice Chair Buenroestro for Vice Chair for 2025.

Commissioner Corpse, did you accept?

No, no, I didn't.

Oh.

I apologize.

I thought we had accepted that position.

So I'm not sure if I'm allowed to say anything right now.

City Attorney's Office, I will defer to you.

You can accept or not accept.

And that's it?

Yeah.

Okay.

Well, I will choose to thank you, Mr. Griggs, for nominating me, but I am going to decline.

And we can move forward with Mr. Buenroestro's nomination.

Thank you.

Thank you for helping us clear that up here.

So with that motion, absolutely off the table, we'll now do the roll call vote for the only motion on the table, which was made by Commissioner Carter Martinez nominating Commissioner Buenroestro to be the Vice Chair for 2025, which was seconded by Commissioner John Johnson.

Now do the roll call vote.

Commissioner Sample.

Aye.

Commissioner John Johnson.

Aye.

Commissioner Corpse.

Aye.

Commissioner Carter Martinez.

Aye.

Commissioner Griggs.

Aye.

Commissioner Jeanine Lewis's absence, Commissioner Mervyn Brookens' absence, Commissioner Espinoza Salazar is absence and Vice Chair Buenroestro.

Aye.

Thank you.

The motion passes.

Thank you.

Well, we have a chair and vice chair for 2025.

And something that I'll just want to emphasize is for the new and returning commissioners, as we think about the work that we need to do in 2025, I encourage us to consider which of the working plans or which of the working groups we might want to be a part of as we continue this this work because there's a lot to be done this year.

Okay. Let's move on to the next agenda item.

Discussion of options and ideas for onboarding new commissioners.

So are there any members of the public that wish to speak on this item?

Our first first there's some background right before we do that.

Yes, you may do the background first.

And we can go to public comment.

So one of the goals that we have in 2025, if you look at the work plan that we adopted last year, is to work with the city council.

If you look at goal number one, D, on the first page, we have a goal to part of that goal is to establish suggested onboarding and professional and a professional learning plan for commissioners.

To better understand the Sacramento police department, relevant city of Sacramento departments and processes, which include a series of things.

It could include citizens, police academy, a right along conferences on relevant topics and other opportunities.

So one of the reasons that we wanted to make sure that we brought this up to the commission was to start getting feedback on what we would like to put together as a potential onboarding plan for returning a new plan.

What are some opportunities that we want to explore and what are some opportunities that we want to suggest to both the city council and to the police department.

I think one of the things that has been great about the last couple months is that as we have these discussions.

We have a lot of opportunities to collaborate with SPD with the city of Sacramento, but also other community organizations to better understand how we can better expand the work of the commission and get it out to more community members.

So with that, do we have any comments from members of the public?

Thank you, Chair. I have no speakers, slips from members of the public.

Do we have any comments from commissioners?

Commissioner Johnson.

I just want to just reiterate that my suggestion is that we definitely would consider a conversation with our local council of people.

The office visit found out during the course of time is very important that we keep them informed.

It makes it easier when they are on the dius and council meetings to discuss our items of concern when they know about what we are doing and what is going on.

It makes our path a little bit easier if we do that.

That's why I suggest that we definitely make sure that we keep that relationship with our local council.

Commissioner Sample?

Yes. I gave some thought to this item.

I myself can't remember when I came on the commission if we had like, I don't want to say a mayor or a binder or some type of document or set of documents that said, here is the job in a box.

I would think that the work plan, not only the current but maybe a few of the previous work plans for historical context.

I think that was something that was important for me that I honestly gleaned from the other commissioners, not from any formal way of just kind of knowing what has been the historical context of the commission and what we worked on.

The other thing would be, and I sought this out myself, but having a conversation with SPD and maybe having a meeting with the chief or designee just to better understand some of their policies and procedures as a person coming on to this commission.

I would recommend the right along as part of this onboarding package.

I think we're going to talk about ad hoc committees and if we get to that space later on down the road, I definitely would not mind being a part of the ad hoc to look at what onboarding looks like for new commissioners.

Those are just a few top thoughts.

I would like to thank the commissioner, Cops, for spelling, Cores.

Thank you. I appreciate you allowing me to even say a few words since this is technically my first meeting, so thank you.

I was able to attend a community event last summer where Mr. Johnson was there.

Just talking about being able to provide, as what our mission statement is, recommendations to council and to the police department and never having the opportunity to do what they do.

I do think it is very, very important for us to be able to, whether it's a right along, whether we go to the academy and do some virtual training there.

They have all kinds of scenarios that they can provide for us. The citizens academy or what have you, I do think it's important for us to get an understanding of what they have to go through every single day.

I would like to thank the commissioners for being able to do that first and foremost.

I also agree if we have a meeting with members of the police department, we have a couple here as well that can probably provide input for us.

I definitely would like to see something like that. I know that the police department is understaffed, so trying to figure out if they would be able to do that, accommodate us, and do that as well as having a quorum, not having a quorum.

I think that we can actually do together. So, but I agree that we should put ourselves in the positions of the police department and see what they do every day so we can better understand what the needs are.

Thank you, and I just want to offer a few reactions to what has been said and really appreciate the comments and commissioner corpse.

I think it might be your first commission meeting, but I think it's more important that US and new commissioner speaks out even more because you are the person that has been the most recently unborted or maybe not unborted as well as we could unbord you.

So, this is where your feedback is critical.

I do want to, we do have two members of the second police department here, and I think it will be worthwhile if they introduce themselves to the commissioners as well.

I mean, we introduce themselves to the returning commissioners, but to the new commissioners as well, just so that we know who else is here.

Clayton Buchanan, I'm a captain over our admin services division. So, I have policy, force investigations, transparency, government affairs, IT, and work with the commission also and with the Office of Public Safety and Accountability.

I'm always glad to be here and always willing to answer questions. I know we have been working with you, Vice Chair, on maybe an onboarding internally for us that we could provide.

We haven't codified that totally yet, but I know that something we're working towards to figure out how logistically we get that done to provide resources for you guys to learn about what our officers are taught and what they go through.

Thank you.

Good evening. I'm Blake Norton. I'm the Chief Strategy Officer at the Sacramento Police Department, and I work with Captain Buchanan over strategy and compliance.

And I just want to say that Commissioner Corbes, I appreciate you recognizing some of our staffing constraints, but the Chief has identified onboarding and orienting new and existing commissioners as a priority for us.

So, we have put together an outline that we're working through in terms of resources that we can provide and be flexible with knowing that this is not everyone has full-time jobs.

And making sure that we can provide you with as much access and learning about the Sacramento Police Department as possible. So we hope to be able to provide that in another form for you all.

But I just want to say thank you and congratulations to the new Chair and Vice Chair, and we really look forward to working with you.

Thank you.

I'm sorry.

You're good.

She's my boss. I'll go over to the other side.

I'm Sergeant Jacob Kasella. I'm a professional standard sergeant. I'm in inspections and standards.

My primary function is our military equipment use ordinance. And so I shepherd that project, which was focused very much by the committee prior.

Thank you.

And thank you for reintroducing yourselves to the, I don't want to say to the returning commissioners and also to our new commissioner.

One thing that I'll add to this item is that over the last month I had shared just a short document with, with, with Ms. Norden that she provided some feedback on.

Just to give you a little bit of insight of what, what, what I was thinking about with this document.

So I think, I think a few things that we're thinking about is what are, what are the, the main documents that commissioners should be provided with to review and read in order to better understand the commission.

Within that list, we have this commission's 2025 recommendations, the work plan that you all have in front of you, the 2024 annual report.

The City of Sacramento Board Commission and committee handbook, which I believe all of you have received by email.

The City of Sacramento Council rules a procedure. There might be additional readings that we want to add to that list, but that's just a start.

And then opportunities that have been identified that have been shared with us by the police department. This includes scheduling and attending a right along.

Attending a city since police academy, which I'm reiterating things that were already mentioned by commissioners.

And then we also want to explore what City of Sacramento opportunities there might be. We want to explore what community opportunities there might be for us to engage community members and also listen to community members.

And then lastly, one thing that that was discussed last year was what are, what are some external conferences or opportunities for us to continue to learn.

So as we think about this, I think it's great to get feedback, to continue the conversations and think about what we want to produce and put into one document so that we all have everything in one place in terms of what we might be able to do to better be unborted and be a more effective commission.

So we have a date, oh sorry, thank you for doing that. Is there a date for the next citizens academy? Do we know?

Let me look it up. There is one, I don't know it up top my head, but I know I have an email.

There is one scheduled. I believe so. So give me one second, I'll take a look.

Thank you. And then is there, and I don't even know if this would be an opportunity to do this. If we have our monthly meetings here, could we take one of those meetings and go off site and do something at either the police department or the academy or something like that.

Then we don't have to take time out of our schedules. It would be part of our commission meeting.

That is a great chair chair.

Right next meeting, I was joking.

So you're asking if you guys could meet with PD as a formal meeting.

Instead of meeting here, we would be able to do that off site so we can kind of kill two birds with one stone.

It has to be publicly accessible and a lot of the logistics would have to be worked out.

I mean, you guys have done workshops and meetings off site.

That's in addition to these meetings. They're not in lieu of.

You can do a special meeting. So you could you could do a regular meeting too. It would just need all the logistical steps.

But it would have to be publicly accessible as well.

Thank you.

I'm going to go back to the meeting and make sure that it's a place that can be accessible.

Any other feedback on this item?

Comments feedback?

I think we can move on to the next item. I appreciate some thinking time for folks.

I said some folks that might have been thinking, but we're going to be able to discuss this

a little bit more in the next item, which is our 2025 work plan and a discussion on the

potential ad hoc committees in order to accomplish a 2025 work plan.

So as we discuss item four, I appreciate us having the printed copy of the 2025 work

plan. This is still going through the process and

that it was approved by the City of Sacramento Policy Committee last week.

And now it's going to the Sacramento City Council in a future meeting before it's final

approval.

So it's still going through the process. But one thing that I wanted to make sure that

we discuss is how we might be able to create ad hoc committees in order to continue to

advance the work of this commission and the work plan that we have in front of us.

So with that, I would just want to highlight the goals that we have in 2025 just to go over

them briefly. The first goal is to strengthen this commission and it's working relationship

with the Sacramento Police Department and the City Council. There are many aspects of

this goal associated with it. One of them is clarifying the purpose, powers and duties

of this commission, improving the inner workings of the Sacramento Community Police Review

Commission by identifying any staffing needs and resources. And obviously that would be

a discussion with the City Council and that we, you know, it's an ongoing conversation.

Improving the relationship and cooperation between this commission and other departments

in the City and as we just discussed to establishing suggested onboarding and professional learning

plan for this commission. The second goal is focused on making sure that we continue to

ensure timely responses to the recommendations. We have our 2024 recommendations that

this commission approved last calendar year. So we want to make sure that we focus on that.

This goal has two components to it. The first one is focusing on making sure that our

2024 recommendations move forward in a timely process. And then for commissioners that

are returning, you know really well that we had outstanding previous recommendations from

2021, 2021, 23. I would imagine that a large piece of the work of this, for folks that

want to work on this goal, would be to review those previous year recommendations and determine

each of them. If any, we want to move forward and put them forward as new 2025 recommendations

for the commission. Go number three is around engaging the community by organizing up to

three community engagement forums and stakeholder meetings. So this is really about making sure

that we go out that we inform the community members. There is one community engagement

conversation that we need to have as a commission. And that is the military equipment use policy.

Workshop that we have stakeholder meeting that we have every year that is mandated by assembly

bill 481. And then we have two other ideas for community engagement meetings. One of them

focused on Sacramento Police Department's traffic safety enforcement. And then the second

one would be focused on community engagement programs and initiatives. And in that goal

you have, we have listed a few of those community engagement programs and initiatives that

we might want to explore. And then the fourth goal is around evaluating the Sacramento Police

Department resource allocation and efficiency at impacting public safety. So that will be

a broader conversation for folks that want to evaluate and review the goals of the police

department, keep performance metrics and review previous recommendations associated with

that topic. So those are the goals that we have. You'll notice that in the work plan we also

have policy focus areas that are tied to those goals. So I would imagine that one way that

we can think about reorganizing ourselves would be that there would be an ad hoc committee

focused on each of the policy focus areas. So for example, there might be one focused

on the engagement function of the commission, which is around clarifying the purpose of

the commission, but also organizing the external community meetings. The third focus, so that's

the first focus area. Sorry, that's focus area A. Focus area B is around community policing

and response efficiency. And then focus area C is around resource allocation and efficiency.

So with that, I'll open it up to see if we have any public comments.

Thank you, Chair. I have no speaker slips on this item. Commissioner commons feedback.

Mr. Sample. Yes, this is just kind of a wondering with so many new commissioners do we want

to revisit aspects of the 2025 plan just to ensure that they are themselves up to date with

that I know we talked about this in our December meeting. I just, and I hate to put poor

commissioner cobs as the only new person, but I don't know if it's helpful. I know when

I came on, it felt very like, okay, wait a minute, we got to do what? Wind by, huh? So I

don't know. I think that's just a wonder of minds. Is there any latitude to be able to maybe

give a month before we start moving too deep into the implementation while we look at,

you know, who should sit where on, on what ad hoc? Commissioner corpse.

Thank you. My only comment was, uh, Chair when rostra when you said, looking at previous

year recommendations from 2021, 22 and 23 and to add that to the 2025 work plan, or did

you mean that we would look at that and then add that to the 2026 work plan? Because if

it's to the 2025, then it goes to what commissioner sample said about, are we going to reopen

that and revisit it? Great. Uh, clarifying question. So, um, my assumption with that is that

in 2025, commissioners would review the previous year recommendations from the backlog. So,

so that those commissioners would be able to review those. And if they want to move

any of those forward, they would make them, they would move them forward as 2025 recommendations

that would go into the 2026 work plan. Okay. Hopefully that makes sense. Okay. Mm-hmm.

And I like what commissioner sample said about for, I know that I'm only speaking on behalf

of myself, but I haven't had an opportunity. I've looked at the work plan, but I haven't

looked at the in depth at the annual report to see, I mean, I briefly looked and there's

a lot of numbers and a lot of graphs and I don't know who, um, yeah, I haven't had a chance

to look at it. So. Commissioner Carter Martinez. Thank you, Chair. Excuse me. I just wanted

to say, um, I wanted to encourage commissioners to get involved in ad hoc committees. Um, I

still consider myself new to the commission, even though I've been here for two years, but

it still feels new. And, um, like commissioner sample, when I first started, I was like,

uh, I work plan in goals and I don't know what we're talking about. Um, and it felt like

a lot of the work fell onto the chair and the vice chair to move. And I think we can

more equitably distribute that as well as bringing voices of other people if people get

involved in the engaged in the committees to move the work forward. So that's all. Thank

you. Thank you. Commissioner Drake's. I would just like to, uh, say, as well, uh,

commissioner sample and corpse, I agree with them as well. I think it's a great idea if

we could kind of pump the brakes a little bit and wait till next month when we hopefully

have a full board here and we can go over these items one by one so that we don't scare

the people off, so to speak.

Noted. Um, I have a question for, uh, the city attorney. So I, just knowing where the

2025 work plan is in the process and, uh, my understanding is that it's heading to the city council

next. Um, what are the opportunities for commissioners or for the council to make changes to the

work plan? I said heads to their next to a future meeting.

Jacob Redberg office of the city clerk. So if council were to enter, were to recommend

changes to the, to the annual report and work plan that was approved by PNP, um, they would

likely send it back to the commission for further, um, for further work on it.

All of the questions. Is it possible for the council to approve aspects of the work plan

and send back other aspects of it so that we can move forward with part of it? So for example,

let's say they like go number one, but they want us and back go number two. I'm just saying that

as an example. Is that something that the council can do? Yeah, they've actually done that before.

So yes.

I see Commissioner Corp says next on my speaker list.

Okay. Commissioner Carter Martinez.

Um, yes. So I, I guess my question is how do we move forward in today's meeting to, um,

taken to account that there are folks that want to have more conversation on the work plan?

And I guess this is for Jacob. Maybe do we have to motion something or what do we have to do?

Well, as the document was approved by this body previously and has gone to the, uh,

the personal and public employees committee and, um, approved and forwarded there,

I, and I'll defer to the city attorney, but I, I, I don't believe there's a way for the commission to,

to stop it and jump in and edit that documents at this point.

Yeah. Um, in alternative, I don't know if you like this alternative, but it's out there.

Um, typically you're supposed to provide one annual report, but you can also go and provide side

projects that weren't included in the initial report, but it has to still go through the process of

going to P. P. N. E. and then to council. So if you did want to do something in addition to what's

already in the report, you could go that route. Um, I'd have to think about if you wanted to take

away something that's already in the report, that might be, that's, that's a completely different

thing. But if you wanted to do something in addition, it, you could just adopt a new, like an

addendum to the work plan and then it would go through the P. P. N. E. process to council.

And just a question for clarification, when do we have a date at which this item is scheduled to

come before the city council? Not yet. Do you know the date? Yes. Uh, it's scheduled to go to

a city council on March 25th at the 5 p.m. meeting. That, uh, that agenda has obviously not been

published at this point. But that's, that's what's scheduled at this time. Commissioner Corpse.

So if the commit, if the city council says that they, I mean, I can't imagine that would happen,

but if they don't approve it and they want to send it back to us for review, could that happen?

Uh, yes. If the, if the, if the city council has, recommends any changes to the annual report or

work plan, they will likely send it back to you. But it doesn't have to be specific changes. They

can just say we'd like to send this back to the commission for further review, for them to review

further. That's a possibility. Yes. Okay. Thanks. I just want to, for our new commissioner,

just to let you know, so the commission cannot work on anything for 2025 until council has approved it.

You can work on the back stuff that's already been approved. You can still work on the

work plan from 2023 to 2024 technically. But as far as the new stuff, you need council approval.

Two questions in a comment. Well, one question in a comment. Um, can we, my understanding based on that

is, is can we assign ad hoc's based on the 2025 work plan? You can propose.

Propose that. But we can't actually form them yet. But it is on our 2024 work plan to create a 2025

work plan, which is so we can work on this item and that it's part of our 2024 work plan. So my

concern is that I think there's things in this work plan that we can all agree on that we should move

forward with. My sense is that there might be a few things that folks want to have additional

discussion on. Um, I don't know if this is a time to share the items that folks want to have

additional discussion on or maybe I guess one way to do it is maybe folks share that now or

maybe this a way to move forward. Uh, we have an ad hoc that works that meets to discuss the 2025

work plan. Um, and maybe that ad hoc figures out which of the items in this work plan we want to

move forward with, which items we might want to discuss more. Um, and through this ad hoc, maybe we

can provide a recommendation to some of the council members before that in comes. Can we do that?

I guess not officially. When does it go on Jacob? I'm sorry. The council.

That's currently scheduled for the March 25th 5 p.m. City Council meeting.

So you could form an ad hoc to discuss the proposed work plan. I, I'm not sure you're going to

any recommendations that the ad hoc comes up with has to come back to this commission

for approval before you can do anything with it. Otherwise, it's just recommendations of the ad

hoc, but it has to be recommendations of your commissions. Oh, I don't think you're going to have

enough time, right? Because your next meeting is in April. Um, sorry. I mean, but it doesn't mean

you can't form the ad hoc and review the proposed work plan and have recommendations ready to go.

Um, and you could always go back to council and change your work plan. So when council approves your

work plan, it's not necessarily direction for you to do these things, but saying yes, go ahead and

work on these things. So if you want to take away from those things and, and, and your annual report

in the end, you can, um, for 2026, you could also tell council that you decided not to go forth with

some of the 2025 plans, um, which that's fine too. But I don't think you're going to get all this

together before council reviews your 2025 work plan. If that makes sense.

Thank you. Uh, Commissioner Sample. Yes, I think, um, and thank you for kind of walking us through

that a little bit. My, my only true concern is I like all the areas. I just want to make sure that,

uh, to kind of echo future chair, uh, Carter Martinez that is not just those of us who've been on the

commission for a while doing all the ad hoc's, but there's ownership and engagement from the full group.

And I think if they hear, no, have the opportunity to kind of say, so previous guys, why did you do that?

Why was that a big item in my engender? Some, some ownership as we continue to see what we need to put

together? Um, but I think my question would be if this goes, so let's say on the 25th council,

um, approves it and they say, you know, we're approving this with the ability for the commission to

meet with their new commissioners and their April meeting and bring it back. Is that a

possibility of our council? Are as a too far? No, it's not. Um, you can talk to your council rep if

that's what you want to do and they could make, um, another motion because it's going to, you know,

your report is going to go with the motion to approve. And any council member could say, well, I

approve. Here's my motion and they'll vote on the substitute motion. And so you would just talk to

your council rep if that's something that you, you know, you think strongly about, you can talk to

your council rep about that and they can make that motion at the dius. Um, you would then come back,

it would then come back here. You guys will look at it and discuss it and I imagine it would go

through two meetings before it goes back to council. Um, because I would think it's coming back here for

first discussion for changes and then you'll bring it back after you've cleaned it up with all of the

changes and then it'll be approved. Maybe if you guys like it and then it'll go back to council. So

so thank you for that and I don't think it's so much the work plan that seems pretty straight

forward. It was it was the accompanying um, annual report that was tied to it that has just

again, that's the thing that I haven't had the opportunity to review and I don't know about the

the new commissioners and just like I said, there's a lot of numbers and a lot of graphs and

I don't know does the police department review this annual plan to approve it to or know.

So you don't. No, it's it's the commission's annual report. It's not for us to have input on.

And so all the numbers and graphs were provided by us and not by the police department.

Correct. So to my knowledge, they were never asked of my my division to provide any of that.

Okay. So that that's the only thing it was just a lot in there. It's not so much the work plan

itself. I think that's pretty straightforward. It was the accompanying annual plan.

Thank you. Commissioner Carter.

Thanks for that clarification. I was getting a little nervous that if we just in hearing kind of

Audrey all and Jacob's guidance that we would be um, unable to move work forward as a commission

for probably three months if we paused or tried to stop the work plan and process now. So

thank you for that clarification that you're just looking for more information about the annual report.

I feel more comfortable with that. Thank you.

I just want to add to just for your knowledge, every year the commission

is supposed to work on the military equipment, use policy, and that takes a very long time. And so

unfortunately you guys are under the gun and it tends to be like that every year and that's part of the work plan.

So that's something else to consider.

This is a discussion item so we're not necessarily here to take a vote but I think we're here to get your

feedback and hear what folks and I appreciate Commissioner Corp's clarifying the items that we

might want to discuss more with the new commissioners. So what I'm reading out in clear is that

it's an annual report that folks want to have more opportunity to review maybe throw out more

feedback to. Based on the conversation it seems like the work plan folks are mostly okay with

in moving that forward because that's what will ultimately allow us to move some of the work forward.

I do want to be transparent in that in the drafting of the work plan we did get feedback from

the police department on the drafting of this. Now as in the drafting of any documents that this

commission produces we're not required to have approval or review by any specific entity although

it is a good practice to get feedback from community members and the related agencies like the

Sacramento Police Department that might be able to provide feedback. So I do want to say I do

appreciate the feedback that we received. I think made it better. It doesn't mean that we take all

the feedback we consider it but that's a type of conversations that we want to have just making sure

that we consider all the different viewpoints that folks might have. So just based on the conversation

it does seem like there's a need for maybe the new chair Carter Martinez and myself to meet with

the new commissioners and just give some background talk a little bit through the report.

But am I reading the room wrong and assuming that the work plan we're okay with the language as it

is for the most part I'm not saying it's perfect no documents ever perfect but I'm not hearing a

lot of concerns on the actual work plan itself. Okay. All right I'm not seeing any additional

comments but appreciate the conversation I feel like this was very valuable for us to have and

for us to be able to see how you know how how folks are feeling about the the annual report the

work plan and the work that we still need to do to better communicate with commissioners that

are returning but also the new commissioners because I feel like that that work can still continue

to improve. So seeing as this item is a discussion item there is no vote needed for this one.

Okay. Okay. These are all the discussion items. The next item on the agenda is staff and

commission well I think we did staff comments any commissioner comments.

Vice Chair I just have a follow-up for you. May 17th is the next community academy day we have

openings I will send you an email and Commissioner Carter Martinez I'll get your email I'll

believe I have it and then I'll send it to both of you as to pass out to the commissioners to see

if they want to come. Thank you. Commissioner Carter Martinez. Yes I just want to once again welcome

Commissioner Corbs to the commission it's great to have you here and we're going to do some good

work together so thank you for joining us. And I'll be brief I just want to congratulate again

our new chair Carter Martinez I'm excited to be able to work with you as we continue this

important work and as we continue to improve the working of the commission and I want to thank

my fellow commissioners I know that I'm chairing this meeting I have insured this meeting before

I'm a little rusty when it comes to the workings of it it's actually a little nerve it's a

little nerve-wracking to like have this seat but I want to appreciate all of you for for hanging in

with me and for continuing to learn with me when it comes to this important work and I just want to

reiterate my commitment to collaborate and listen to your comments and feedback as we we try to

move this work forward and try to better communicate with the public and then something else that

I want to say is that our work is not just to improve the working of the commission and or

relationship with the police department but also to continue to figure out ways to foster a

better relationship with our various community members that have different perceptions of the

police department and different opinions and different ways that they have grown out interacting

with with police department but we're hoping that through that communication that we continue to

make for a better and stronger community and our city of Sacramento.

Okay the next item is public comments matters not on the agenda.

Thank you chair I have no speaker slips for public comments matters not on the agenda.

Okay that is the last item on our agenda seeing no other items I will entertain a motion to a

journey or how does that work? No need to do a motion to a journey to a journey to a journey in the

meeting. Alright well thank you this meeting is a journey.