Good evening. Welcome to the June 9th, 2025 meeting of the Sacramento Community

Police Review Commission. This meeting is now called to order. Will the clerk

please call the roll to establish a quorum. Thank you chair. Members please unmute

your microphones. Commissioner Sample. Present. Commissioner Johnson. Present.

Commissioner Korbs. Present. Commissioner Griggs. Present. Commissioner Lewis. Present.

Commissioner Brookins. Present. Commissioner Espinosa Salazar. Present. Chair

Carter Martinez is absent and Vice-Chair Buenrostro. Present. Thank you. We have quorum.

Thank you. I would like to remind members of the public in the chambers that if you would

like to speak on an agenda item please turn in a speaker slip when the item begins. And

to provide greater community participation in our commission's work we will also allow

more time for members of the public to give comments and we will ask the clerk to accept

speaker slips until the final speaker has concluded their comments.

We will now proceed. We will first start with the land acknowledgement and pledge of allegiance.

please rise for the opening acknowledgement and honor of Sacramento's indigenous people and tribal lands to the original people of this land. The Nisenan people, the southern Maydu, valley and plains Miwok,

Pat Wintun peoples and the people of the Wilton Rancheria, Sacramento's only federal

people of the Wilton Rancheria, Sacramento's only federal people of the

people of the Wilton Rancheria, Sacramento's only

Wilton Rancheria, Sacramento's only federal, federally recognized tribe. May we acknowledge and honor the native people who came before us and still walk beside us today on these ancestral lands by choosing to gather together today in the active practice of acknowledging the people of the

Fujiwok.

appreciation for Sacramento's indigenous peoples history contributions and lives.

Thank you. Now please remain standing for the Pledge of Allegiance.

I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the

Republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.

We will now move on to the recognition of dedication and service to the City of Sacramento Community Police Review Commission, Commissioner Xochimil Espinosa Salazar.

Thank you, Chair. As this is the last regularly scheduled meeting before your current term expires,

the City Clerk's Office would like to extend our sincerest gratitude for your service to the City of Sacramento Community Police Review Commission.

Your service has been invaluable to this commission as well as the City of Sacramento.

So I'm going to give you this certificate here and if you'd like to say in a few words regarding your time on the commission,

please feel free to do so as well as your colleagues may make comments as well.

I just wanted to say that I'm incredibly grateful for the opportunity to serve as the youth commissioner.

It was a brand new role for me. It was something that I've never done before.

I started when I was 17 in high school and I think that it brought invaluable experience.

It's a great opportunity and a learning position for me as well as I further my career.

And I'm very, very happy to have met all of you. And I can't wait to see if I can work with you guys again.

Thank you.

So I just briefly want to thank you Commissioner Salazar for your contributions.

I had no idea that this was your last meeting of your term.

And I guess my question is, is somebody else going to be appointed or what, or are you going to like what?

Is this actually your last meeting or what does it look like for your seat?

If you know any of that information?

Well, I think Jacob has a better answer, but I am reapplying for the position. So we'll see.

Okay.

There's a personnel and public employees committee meeting on June 17th in which the youth staff,

the youth seat in which Commissioner Espinosa Salazar sits.

We'll be hearing interviews for applicants at that meeting.

Thank you.

That'll be published in the coming days.

Thank you.

Well, thank you for your contributions.

I hope that you can continue if that works out.

But regardless, thank you for the conclusion of a great term with your input throughout your last term.

Thank you.

Next business of the day.

So something that we do have been doing at these meetings is meeting, is moving public comments

matters not on the agenda at the beginning of the meeting.

So we will continue that today.

So as a reminder, so we're moving on to public comments matters not on the agenda.

As a reminder for the public, you will have five minutes to speak on this item.

And I'll ask the clerk, are there any members of the public who wish to speak on public comments

matters not on the agenda?

Thank you, Chair.

I do have two speaker slips for matters not on the agenda.

Our first speaker is Keon Bliss, followed by Henry Harry.

There we go.

I am here to speak today about two recent public incidences involving the Sacramento Police Department.

One recent shooting that occurred over in the downtown corridor at 16th and B involving a

gentleman who was clearly in mental health crisis.

In fact, it was documented on public video.

And at least four Sacramento police officers that were responding not only failed to deescalate

the situation or implement deescalation policies as observed by the videos, but ended up shooting

this gentleman, even as he was begging and pleading with people, like pleading with the department

to shoot him.

He was not armed.

He had an imitation weapon and there were multiple people that were watching the incident.

And I have to really, I want to bring that to our attention because I want to know if

these were first year, like first year police officers or what the actual deescalation policies

for the department actually are and whether and how often they are actually being trained

in using deescalation tactics.

Where was the county's, where is the police department's cooperation with the county, which

has a mental health crisis response service called the community wellness response teams,

which can actually help with these sort of crisis calls.

I myself have been involved in numerous incidents with people with mental illness and have successfully

been able to deescalate a lot of these situations and a lot of times they can be resolved by simply

talking with the gentleman or talking with the individual.

But I didn't actually see that here.

I saw fear dominating, like overtaking what should be routine police training in how to reduce

and ultimately respect the, like reduce the use of force and ultimately just respect the person's quality of life,

like an individual's right to life and resolve situations with the utmost respect for the preservation of life

and put that gentleman at risk.

When all they could have, like all they had to do when somebody is clearly in a position where they want to die

or exhibiting suicidal tendencies can just be talked down.

Why didn't that happen here?

I think that's something that we really need to be looking at and examining how this incident really complied with

general order 582.01 because, and state law as well, AB 392, which stipulates that, at least here in Sacramento City,

we are to exhaust deescalation tactics before using force, which in this instance I did not see that based on the bystander video

as well as the body-worn camera footage that was released after the fact.

Four police officers are more than enough to handle one disturbed individual,

and the level of fear that was exhibited was especially problematic for a department that prides itself on protecting life and property.

That said, too, another recent incident that occurred just last week on Friday was a vehicle pursuit,

which ended with an innocent bystander losing their life because the Sacramento Police Department initiated a pursuit related to a domestic violence case.

And this is something that this commission has sought to discuss, and we didn't have the capacity or time with our previous duties to really look into.

And I think this is something that really brings it back to, like, brings the importance of really discussing

and reviewing the Sacramento Police Department's vehicle pursuit policy.

Based on my review, the current pursuit of vehicles policy was updated, last updated in 2018,

and gives a significantly wide latitude for the department to, for individual officers to initiate vehicle pursuits

without much consideration for the vehicles in which they're surrounding and as well as the current environments.

I know at least one street in Sacramento City, in Oak Park, that has seen not one, not two, but three vehicle chases and with crashes into people's homes,

which I think, which I have not even seen reported in the media, but you can go down this neighborhood and actually see it for yourself.

I think this takes a significant priority, and I really hope that we're actively looking into this, because as it was reported to,

Thank you for your comments, your time is complete.

Thank you for your comments, sir. Your time is complete. Our next speaker is Henry Harry.

I need to apologize now. My printer went down, so I had to make some rough notes here based on what I was working on earlier.

So again, I apologize early. But a long time ago, I wanted to see this commission come into existence, and I pushed the city council to do that.

So I'm pleased to stand here today before you. I believed at that time that if you asked the right questions of the police department in a public meeting on video,

that that would bring about some positive change for everybody, the police officers, the citizens.

And so I continue to work on that because I love the profession of law enforcement, and I've dedicated a lot of my life to it.

So this commission, although I believe that you guys may be handicapped by your charge and your duties, I still believe that you guys are the best hope for true accountability and justice.

So I have been working on something I shouldn't say working with, but I've been pushing the Sacramento Police Department and the city council to improve the way they put out stats for the city.

I think there's a fundamental flaw with what they're doing, and it doesn't really allow people to quickly understand and see crime patterns, which directly affects their public safety.

And so I'll ask you a question. How many stolen cars were there last month?

There should be a document that tells you that right off the bat. How many rapes were there last month?

What were the location of those rapes? What were the descriptions of the suspects?

I've asked the department and the city council that if we were to put out, let's say, for example, the last 10 rapes with descriptions of the people,

and we constantly put that information out. Store clerks could see it. Apartment managers could see it. Even our jail intake officers who deal with a lot of people coming through the system might recognize a suspect.

And so I, I, I, we really need to make sure that that's happening. And the video that I put out on that issue can be seen at a site called go hairy dot biz.

The next thing that I have been working on, I've asked the council for this before. I'll ask you guys to weigh in on this. I believe this is in your venue to deal with.

I love the profession of law enforcement, but even I have questions about what we do and some of the things that I see creates a, an amount of distrust.

And so I believe for me that distrust would be lowered. If the police chief was directed by the council to come to this meeting quarterly and do an in person report and answer any questions that you guys put to them, that would make me feel better.

And I got to believe that the police are the good guys. I believe that. So there is no reason why a chief should back away from the scrutiny and the public participation and answering those questions.

So, um, I can say my notes are a little scrambled here, but I don't know how to go about putting a question to one of you members. I don't know if it's to put it to the, um, uh, main commissioner or write a letter to everyone, but I'm trying to find out if you guys get to see or interact with all of the complaints.

Coming through the department. As I look now at a glance, it seems to me that you guys get to have some statistical information on citizens complaints.

But what about a complaint where it's not generated by a citizen where one officer claims another officer made racial derogatory remarks to them and it was handled internally.

Do you guys get to understand the disposition of that? Is it, does it even cross your plate? And the reason why that is important is if you're only looking at citizens complaints and not the things that are generated inside, you could have situations of fundamental unfairness where a low level officer gets punished and a higher level officer gets it swept away.

So I guess my question is, do you guys get to see all the complaints that come through the department? And if you don't, I think you should. Thank you.

Thank you for your comments, chair. I have no more speaker slips for matters not on the agenda.

Thank you. I know this is not on the agenda, but I'll move on to just acknowledge the staff that we have with us today and open up time in case they have any updates for us.

So we have staff from the office of public safety and accountability.

I just want to acknowledge the staff member that is here that you want to, if you want to introduce yourself and you're welcome to provide any,

any quick updates that you have for the commission.

good evening everyone. Um, Jody Johnson with OPSA. Um, everybody should have received a document with the definitions of the, um, allegations that we are working within, um, for the, um, misconduct for police interactions with the community.

Um, the dispositions stay the same. There are only four. Um,

I know that everybody should have had the opportunity to review the quarter one reports. I am here to answer any questions. If you have, um,

questions about that Q one report. Um, I do have a directive that if we aren't all prepared to have a conversation about it,

that we should probably shelf it to have a conversation with everybody has opportunity to read through it and understand the materials. Um,

I know we met with the chair and vice chair on the 28th of May. Um,

and that was the understanding from that meeting. So I am here to answer any questions that you guys might have. Um,

so feel free to call me back up if you need.

Thank you. And, um,

I think if, if folks have questions, it's on the consent calendar.

So if folks want to pull it out of consent and ask questions, I think we can do that then. But, but thank you for,

for, uh, for the definitions, something that we asked for last week and really appreciate the

responsibility of your office. Thank you. Thank you.

Uh, next, uh,

just want to acknowledge the staff that we have from the Sacramento police department.

Um, if you want to again, say hi and, uh, and I open up,

I'll give you the floor in case there's any updates from the department.

Thank you.

Clayton Buchanan captain with the administrative services division for the police department.

Um, I don't have any updates this afternoon.

Hi, I'm Blake Norton at the Sacramento police department.

I'm the chief strategy officer and I oversee the office of strategy and compliance,

and I don't have any updates at this moment. Thank you though.

Thank you. And again, lastly,

I want to acknowledge the staff from the clerk's office and from,

uh, the general counsel's office.

Thank you for your continued support of the commission.

All right.

We're going to move on to the items from the consent calendar.

Uh, we have two items today on consent.

Uh, the first one is approval of the Sacramento community police revision.

Yeah.

Approval of the Sacramento community police review commission minutes.

Uh,

and the second item is office of public safety and accountability quarterly report for

quarter one.

Um,

and something that was clarified to me from the discussions from our conversations

with the office of public safety and accountability is that the quarter one

reports,

all of the quarterly reports get put on the consent calendar.

Um,

the final report,

uh,

is what typically gets on the discussion calendar.

But,

um,

my understanding is folks have any questions that they want to ask.

Uh,

we can either approve it if there's no questions,

but if a commissioner has questions,

we can pull it from consent and then address it then.

Oh,

I forgot to go to this.

Are there any speakers on the items in the consent calendar?

Thank you,

chair.

I do have one speaker slip,

um,

on consent item number one.

Uh,

uh,

Shelby.

Uh,

Shelby.

Uh,

Shelby.

Uh,

Shelby.

Uh,

Shelby.

Uh,

Shelby.

Uh,

Shelby.

Uh,

Shelby.

Uh,

Shelby.

Uh,

Shelby.

Uh,

Shelby.

Uh,

hi.

Nice to see you all again.

It's been a while.

All right.

My time started.

So,

um,

you know,

lately I've been involved a lot with the community and I know I've been,

you know,

following the news and I seen recently that we only have,

600,

barely 700 officers in the community.

And the things that I'm hearing is like high severity.

And,

um,

you know,

we have so many resources available and so many,

um,

people in the community that aren't just homeless,

but ex drug addicts and ex state employees that would willing to help.

But,

you know,

like some of us say,

there's not enough outreach,

you know?

And so,

um,

I feel like the police community should engage more with options.

Um,

um,

you know,

um,

that are for officers in the police community or creating more police

communities.

Cause there are here,

but they're not as safe as they used to be.

And so with that,

I feel like there should be,

um,

if a police family feels unsafe and with the resources that SAC County just

recently got awarded $9 billion,

you know,

a hundred million of that $9 billion can go a long way for the police

community and create types of police,

um,

safe districts,

housing.

If it includes SAC County diversions to other projects for employment

community,

um,

and another thing would be like,

um,

more safe houses for police,

um,

families who are even veterans.

Um,

community police should use SAC County resources like volunteers from

shelters,

hire street team from shelters,

um,

that work with,

um,

different agencies like the city of Sacramento and,

um,

parks and rec and other nonprofits that also work with the city council.

And,

you know,

like I said,

city of Sacramento departments and even stop the stigma for the County of

Sacramento,

um,

may have resources.

And a lot of people use art as a way to deescalate.

So maybe putting them in type of,

um,

program with the police,

you know,

having them do that and,

you know,

some housing agencies for them,

you know,

um,

it's pretty sad.

There's not a lot of resources for the police or even when they,

um,

go through a hardship,

you know,

and it's even being a hard police woman,

you know,

from a diverse background or even someone that's came to this country and

need a job and said,

well,

I didn't want it before,

you know,

and here I am.

I'm serving my community.

I'm serving my country.

And,

um,

just working on stuff like that,

more diversions and more,

um,

maybe adding even robots in the car,

you know,

or safer cars so that they don't crash into houses,

you know,

and kill people.

So,

um,

with COVID and all the things going on,

you know,

I just heard recently,

you know,

we're losing soldiers in Hungary because of the politics here.

And sometimes that does involve the police to be harder on yourself,

like a drill sergeant.

Like,

let me wake up.

Let me train them better.

Let me involve myself better.

Even if it has to be hard or more working,

you know,

working out like a type system like that.

Um,

makes them successful.

Um,

but giving them also some more money that helps,

you know,

for all of us.

And it helps with population control,

you know,

and it helps with jobs and creating new projects and new programs.

Thank you guys for listening so much to me.

I yield my time.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Thank you for your comments,

chair.

I have no more speaker slips on the consent calendar.

Thank you.

That there's two.

So commissioner corpse.

Thank you.

And thank you to the speakers that showed up today.

I do have questions about the quarterly report.

So come on up.

Uh,

so the,

the piece of paper that you gave us,

are these,

um,

examples of the allegations towards the police department,

or are these just examples?

No,

ma'am.

Those are the actual allegations that can be,

uh,

complained against.

Just wanted to make sure about that.

Yes,

ma'am.

Um,

so I'm still new to the commission.

Um,

so I'm still new to the commission.

So bear with me.

I'm just trying to figure things out.

Uh,

so besides OPSA,

Sacramento police department has,

you have your own accountability department.

Is that internal affairs or is that a separate,

do you have two departments?

Regarding complaints,

it's internal affairs.

It's internal.

It's all internal affairs.

Okay.

Just trying to know that.

And then OPSA is a separate entity that looks at accountability as well,

but not only for police,

but for fire.

Yes,

ma'am.

Okay.

And,

and just to speak on that part,

um,

I think our office is working with the city attorney's office to kind of pull

together a,

a direct train that we can kind of allow everybody to get a real sense of,

of what our offices do,

um,

and the roles of each individual office.

So I think that'd clarify a lot of the,

um,

maybe information that's being shared that is,

is new.

So I think once we get that onboarding training together,

we'll be able to kind of answer a lot of those questions for you.

And that would be great for our,

um,

onboarding subcommittee,

right?

Commissioner sample.

So,

um,

okay.

So I was looking over again,

the report and the number of complaints and allegations.

And then I wanted to look to see how many calls for service.

When I was here last month,

I asked that about how many calls for service there were.

And so I found out that there were in quarter one of 2025,

there were 79,977 calls for service.

Okay.

So again,

uh,

calls for service are separate than the complaints that are filed with our

office and with internal affairs.

Um,

I hate to do it,

captain,

but can I default to you about the calls of service?

Cause I don't know all the ins and outs of calls of service,

but I know they are separate.

I think you're just trying to clarify that the Sacramento police department

received over 79,000 calls in the first quarter.

79,000 calls.

I'm just trying to get a sense of 67 complaints out of 79,977 calls for

service.

Yes,

ma'am.

So those are separate things.

Um,

our office doesn't do calls for service.

Cause I don't have any information about,

I know that your office doesn't,

but I'm just trying to get a grasp of these allegations and the complaints

that in the first quarter,

there were 79,977 calls for service from the police department or by the

police department.

And if we look at the number of complaints,

which was 67 complaints.

And if you do that percentage,

it's less than one third of 1% of calls garnered.

I apologize.

Yeah.

So,

so again,

the calls of service are different.

Um,

so a call for service can be any way from my cat is missing or my spouse is

missing.

They're,

they're,

they're two separate things.

Um,

so the complaints actually come from police interaction.

So that might be an interaction from a call of service.

If somebody,

if a community member thought like,

Hey,

the officer should have did these particular things and it wasn't up to the

standard that they were expecting,

then maybe that's a complaint,

but the complaints are separate.

So you'll have X amount of number of complaints,

but they,

they're not related to the calls of service.

No,

I,

I completely understand what you're saying.

And I apologize for just,

I'm just trying to make a blanket statement about the number of calls for

service that the police department does.

And maybe it is someone calling to say that they need their cat out of a tree

and whatever that might be,

but that gets inputted into the computers and it's considered a call for

service.

It might not be a direct interaction with someone,

because that might just go to somebody else.

And they don't ever need to have somebody go out to that.

I get that.

I'm just saying that on average in the quarter,

there was 79,000 calls,

almost 80,000,

which represents less than one third of 1% for complaints.

So my next question is,

if that's the case,

can you share with me because SAC PD is doing their own accountability,

you're doing accountability.

Um,

how many times have you OPSA disagreed with the report or with the findings of

SAC PD's reports?

Do you know that?

Through the complaint process or,

so again,

we don't have,

we don't,

we're not privy to the calls of service.

So we wouldn't even know,

like the number you just gave right now.

I didn't know.

No,

no,

I'm not asking about the calls.

I'm saying how many times has OPSA disagreed with the findings of these

complaints?

Or do you,

most of the time,

do you find that the police department,

what they found out based on the complaints,

whether it was dismissed or,

and so forth,

have you found that you guys are,

um,

in agreement most of the time?

Um,

that varies.

It varies.

And,

and I,

I apologize,

but I'm put you on the hot seat just for two seconds.

There's a gentleman in the room that,

um,

our office works with,

um,

directly around the complaints.

Um,

and I can say in all honesty,

there are situations where we don't agree.

We have a discussion,

discussion with captains and we come to some consensus.

And if something needs to be changed,

our offices work together to kind of get to a resolution,

um,

that both sides can kind of be comfortable with.

Um,

but captain Kenny is,

it's there.

I'm just wondering,

I mean,

to your knowledge,

has there ever been,

I feel like I'm an attorney to your knowledge.

Has there ever been a time where like ops says,

no,

I,

we don't agree with what the police department's decision is,

but then you talk and then you do come to an agreement.

Has there ever been a time where it's like,

we just started.

Yes,

ma'am.

That just happened last week.

Okay.

So again,

that's why I said it's kind of case by case.

I don't have the actual numbers in front of me,

but yet,

um,

sometimes there's an agreement initially.

Sometimes it takes work to get to an agreement down the road,

uh,

and sometimes we,

uh,

have to escalate it.

Uh,

within the quarterly report,

there's a,

um,

a graph there that shows you what happens at each stage.

So if we agree,

then it kind of,

it closes.

Right.

No,

I see that goes to the next level.

So there's,

there's a,

uh,

a staging there that's available,

um,

for each intersection for it.

So,

um,

I don't have the direct numbers out of,

um,

the quarterly report of how many times we disagreed.

Um,

if you guys want that information,

I can go back and look.

Would you say that the majority of time you do agree?

Um,

I wouldn't be able to tell you that without looking at the data.

I can look because I don't want to tell you yes.

And then I go back and like,

Oh,

actually it's 51% that we didn't.

So it wouldn't be general.

So maybe when,

maybe when you do the annual report,

it would be nice to know,

like how many times did you,

did the police department and officer agree on the findings of the complaints?

I'm just trying to get a better sense of that.

And I can,

I can go back and look for that information.

Um,

again,

it's,

it's case by case.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

But I mean,

just maybe when you don't have to do it this time,

but when you do your annual report,

cause that's when it's actually on the discussion calendar.

Is that correct?

And I can bring that back to the office to see if that's,

I know we track a lot of data.

So if that's something that you are interested in,

it just be as simple as looking at the data.

So,

yeah,

no,

I appreciate it.

I'm just,

again,

I'm learning.

I just,

that was my biggest question from last time,

like almost 80,000 calls,

67 complaints.

I mean,

that's a,

I think that's a pretty low number.

80,000 calls.

Yeah.

And again,

I just want to make sure I'm clear.

No,

I know.

I got it.

The calls for the calls for service have no bearing on the complaints.

Complaints are made individually by individual community members.

So we can have two complaints for the whole gear and 150,000 calls of service.

They will never correlate.

So that,

I think that's the part I want to make sure it's clear.

And again,

we're going to do training to make sure everybody's on the same page.

Cause I know 79,000 versus 60 complaints just means that complaints aren't being made,

but we can't control that part.

Again,

we don't track calls for service.

Cause calls for service,

pretty sure since we've been sitting in here,

they might've got another 200 calls for service just right now.

So that's nothing.

That's not anything that OPS attracts.

We deal directly with complaints that are made against individual offices.

And that's when our office gets involved.

Right.

I was just trying to get a sense of how many calls total and what the percentage is.

So thank you for answering that.

I appreciate it.

Not a problem.

I don't know if the police department has anything to add.

The only thing I would add is that we differentiate calls for service from like different than how many calls come into our comm center.

I believe the number you're using is calls that come into the comm center.

Cause there are calls for service number might be a little bit lower than that.

So I just want to make sure we're talking apples to apples here.

That's the only comment I have.

Thank you.

Next commissioner sample.

Yes.

Thank you.

Very good comprehensive report.

One of the questions I had about it,

and I feel like I've asked this before,

but I can't remember is on the graph about complaints by council district.

Is that data disaggregated?

In other words,

are you able to,

you know,

go in and say,

you know,

council district to had this many of this complaint,

this many of this complaint,

this many of this complaint.

In other words,

do you look for the,

the,

the gaps?

Um,

I can circle back with you on that one.

It,

it would be simple cause we do track the allegations,

um,

per complaint.

Um,

so I'd be simply just getting you the data,

but each,

each district is broken out like that on the report,

just to show how many complaints came from that particular area.

Um,

so we track it by zip codes.

And if it's within that particular district,

that's what we're reporting.

Um,

but it'd be simple cause if there's 11 complaints from your district,

we should be able to go back and say,

okay,

these 11 happened in this quarter.

This is what the allegations were.

And then you can give it disposition that way as well.

So we can just circle back.

And if you want that information,

I can definitely see if we can get that provided to you.

Yes.

I would love that information just to,

cause again,

I've noticed multiple years of looking at the report.

You,

you kind of see that and I'm just curious,

um,

what that looks like across.

So thank you for that.

Not a problem.

Commissioner Griggs.

Oh,

one second,

please.

It's notes.

I don't forget.

Yeah.

Important request.

All right.

I bow to you.

Yes,

sir.

Uh,

just a couple of quick questions.

Um,

does OPSA,

uh,

gather information from the public about accolades from officers and how they

treat the public or is it strictly complaints?

Um,

our office deals with the complaint process.

Um,

I think PD has her own,

um,

mechanism of highlighting their interactions,

positive or negative with community.

Um,

that's not within our purview.

Uh,

if somebody does bring something forward,

uh,

we can definitely forward that to PD,

but we don't have,

I was just curious.

So you don't have the ability to compare and contrast the types of calls that there are complaints about as opposed to the types of calls where there may be accolades for the,

for those same officers.

Is that correct?

So again,

we only deal when our office only deals when there is a complaint.

Um,

so there's no way to kind of submit a complaint for a positive interaction.

Our office is chartered to deal with,

um,

negative complaints against officers.

Um,

again,

PD does have its own mechanism to kind of highlight their positive interactions with the community,

but that's not in our purview for,

for our office.

I understand.

I understand.

And then,

uh,

just to reiterate what you told us last month,

the complaints that you have,

those 67 complaints,

there may be multiple complaints from one person on one particular call.

Is that correct?

So there could be multiple allegations for a particular complaint against multiple officers.

Um,

so yes,

there is a,

a,

a prospect of it kind of culminating together.

Um,

I've seen a few of those where it's multiple things.

Hope not to have to see too many of those because the more allegations you have against a particular officer,

that's not a positive thing.

So it's not necessarily 67 different calls.

It could be a relatively fewer number of calls,

but just more individuals on that particular call that may have complained.

So again,

need to make sure we're clear on that.

We don't deal with calls.

So,

so say you made a call for service and they came out to your residence and you felt that if it was 12 officers that showed up at that particular moment and all of them,

all of their conduct weren't up to your particular standards,

you can make a complaint against all 12 officers for one allegations.

You have a list of the allegations on the paper.

So you can make as many allegations as you want on the complaint.

And then internal affairs will go back and do their due diligence to investigate,

um,

the validity of that complaint.

But again,

our office doesn't deal with calls.

So we wouldn't know versus calls.

All we do is we get the complaint and then we make sure that,

that the due diligence is made and it's efficient and fair and equitable.

Sure.

So your,

the complaints that you receive aren't tied to any specific call or run number.

So it's,

it's,

it's tied to a call only because with police interaction is usually not interaction with law enforcement unless somebody is called law enforcement to come out.

Um,

otherwise if somebody is walking down the street and have an interaction with law enforcement that's negative,

that can turn into a complaint as well.

Um,

so again,

there's,

I'm trying to make sure we all understand there's no correlation between calls and complaints that they're like,

Kevin,

you kind of said they're apples and oranges.

Like we don't deal with the calls,

just deal with the complaints.

So again,

if,

if he said something to you today right now and you didn't agree with it or like it,

you can make a complaint against him.

We would get the complaint,

but there's no call for service in this moment.

I understand.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Next we have commissioner Johnson.

Um,

thank you again for being here.

Um,

last month we discussed about the,

um,

areas where you had broken them down to where we had,

um,

depending on what type of age person or,

um,

nationality of maybe a person that,

um,

made the complaint.

And,

um,

according to,

uh,

I talked to you about even district two,

well,

ours was seen as long as like anybody else's district.

District two had a long list of complaints and then how to break that down,

which I'm sure eventually we'll get to that working on that.

But,

um,

I,

I,

I'm a little bit more clear now today.

We're seeing what,

um,

Captain McKinnon talked about what you talked about in regards to service versus,

versus,

uh,

complaint.

Um,

because I had an incident in my neighborhood where we had,

uh,

large,

um,

um,

call,

service call in to come out and they,

um,

and they took care of the business and dispersed and everything was okay.

Um,

um,

uh,

in the midst of that,

there was no complaints filed for that.

There was a service call.

It was big and it could have been complaints being made if the service call had got out of hand.

So I could see the difference in the correlation in that.

But now I'm looking at your,

the list you have here.

So in the list you have here,

does it mean that possibly even a service calls,

um,

subject you can,

and that you could possibly receive a service call on this.

And if it's not a complaint being made on any of these items,

then it would never do his office.

Is that correct?

Yeah,

that's correct.

Okay.

So I'm a little bit more clear on that aspect.

But when it comes down to,

um,

it looks like we probably need to make,

um,

uh,

in our community meeting eventually make it,

make it known that,

um,

if you make a service call,

um,

and you're not feeling not correctly about the service calls you made,

then it's good to kind of like follow up and let them know that,

um,

you know,

I'm not really making a complaint about it,

but just letting somebody know that it was done either this way positive or done this way negative.

So at least somebody gets a feel of,

because like she mentioned about,

um,

well,

we only have this disparity.

And disparity is like way out of whack.

But again,

it comes down to,

again,

you have citizens that call in,

make a service request,

and they don't maybe follow up and says,

you know,

Hey,

this would happen.

You know,

like for instance,

my neighborhood,

sometimes they have street shows and stuff like that.

Well,

I get,

you know,

those things where,

um,

they send it with the police department,

Sacramento police departments,

the sheriff's department,

or the county,

depending on what area it is.

But if I call back and I said,

well,

they never showed up and somebody need to follow that up.

And possibly that goes to maybe a department that handles that.

Yes,

sir.

That,

that,

that,

that actually is a terrific example.

Um,

and we have an amazing community outreach,

a coordinator within OPSA who is doing all the footwork to make sure people know about OPSA,

um,

our role in the community and the,

um,

availability.

If you are,

or if you feel that something unjust has happened or below the standards that you feel,

uh,

conduct wise,

you can make the,

the,

the complaint.

Um,

so he's doing a really good job.

He's,

uh,

and it's highlighted,

I believe on the page 15 and 16,

um,

speaks to the,

the efforts he's been making just within the quarter.

Um,

and he's every day hitting the ground running and making sure people understand,

um,

what's available for him as a resource through OPSA.

Um,

I think because we were so small and understaffed,

there was no community outreach.

So people didn't know what OPSA did even existed.

So I think now that we do have this,

um,

community outreach coordinator,

he's making sure that,

uh,

our presence is becoming more well known and,

uh,

process of being able to file a complaint.

If you feel the service call was not up to par,

up to standards or any engagement with,

um,

law enforcement was up to standard.

Now,

you know that there's a resource available for you to pursue that beyond just

the call.

Thank you.

Thank you.

And I,

I have a,

uh,

more of a comment and suggestion.

Uh,

this is in line to commissioners,

commissioner Griggs comment,

uh,

that I think would be helpful.

Um,

if there's a way to get a breakdown of,

I don't know what we call them cases or individuals,

if I was a complaint,

um,

and how many complaints were within those.

So I'm just to give you an example,

right?

Like if there was like some double breakdown that said 40 cases had one

complained,

eight cases of two complaints,

five cases at three complaints,

that would help us understand what we're looking at a little bit better,

uh,

just for context.

Um,

um,

so just a suggestion and feedback for something that would help us understand this

a little bit more too.

Okay.

So I have to take that back to the office only because most of the

information that we are privy to most of that is confidential.

So I have to make sure that it's okay.

Embedded through not only our director,

but I'm pretty sure it's so called the city attorney to make sure that any

information that we share with you guys is up to par,

um,

and not violating any of the clets,

uh,

information.

So,

um,

I will get back to you on that.

Thank you.

And then,

um,

another question,

this is just about the,

the calls,

uh,

for service.

I'm assuming that not all the calls for service.

And with an interaction between a police officer,

is that correct?

Um,

so I'm,

I'm,

I'm guessing,

I don't know if we have a breakdown of that,

but I,

I just want to add more context to that piece of information as well.

Yeah.

So there's two,

two different numbers,

right?

So a call for service,

which would be where we actually dispatch officers.

And then we have calls that come into the comp center and maybe routed somewhere else,

but those are still interactions with police department employees.

So those numbers,

and even when you get dispatched to a call,

there's always a possibility that the person calls back in and cancels,

right?

So yes,

we're not always making contact with them,

but there is contact with the police in some,

some way or form because they have to call in and talk to an individual on the phone.

So that that's the total calls that come in the comp center versus the actual dispatch and arrival calls would be different.

And I don't have those numbers for you.

More context to add to the,

to the data that has been collected.

Thank you.

Commissioner corpse.

And the number that I gave is that.

That is the total calls that came in the comp center.

Total calls coming in.

Perfect.

Thank you.

Commissioner Johnson.

Captain Buchanan.

My question for you is now,

if a call for service count,

if a person calls in and,

um,

they're put on hold because maybe the,

the service calls busy right now,

the dispatch is busy right now.

And then they have,

they come back and may not call back later.

They may call back later.

I don't believe that counts because it does only counts when we enter it into the computer,

when the dispatchers do,

but I'll follow up and that give you a positive answer.

Cause I'm not a hundred percent sure.

Thank you,

sir.

Thank you,

sir.

Thank you,

sir.

Thank you,

sir.

Thank you,

sir.

Thank you,

sir.

Thank you,

sir.

Thank you,

sir.

Thank you.

In the queue.

Um,

we are still on the consent calendar.

Is there a motion and a second for the consent calendar?

I'll make a motion to approve the consent calendar.

Second.

All right.

Commissioner Sample made the motion.

Commissioner Johnson made the second.

Will the clerk please call the roll for the vote?

Thank you,

chair members,

please unmute your microphones.

Commissioner Sample.

Aye.

Commissioner Johnson.

Aye.

Commissioner Korbs.

Aye.

Commissioner Griggs.

Aye.

Commissioner Lewis.

Aye.

Commissioner Brookins.

Aye.

Commissioner Espinosa Salazar.

Chair Carter Martinez is absence and vice chair.

Buen Rostro.

Aye.

Thank you.

The motion passes.

Thank you.

We will now proceed to the discussion calendar.

Uh,

and I forget,

I forgot to make,

um,

this clarifying comment.

So for items,

none of the agenda,

uh,

the speak,

uh,

for public comment,

it's five minutes for items in the discussion calendar.

It's,

it's three minutes.

Um,

is that correct?

This is your call.

Okay.

So I have three minutes on here,

so let's just stick to,

to that.

Understood.

Thank you.

I'm following.

Okay,

great.

Um,

so we're moving to the discussion calendar.

We're going to move on to item three,

military equipment,

use policy,

community forum planning.

Um,

so the purpose of this item is to discuss,

uh,

the Sacramento community police review commissions outreach and community

engagement,

uh,

and collect ideas from the commission,

uh,

around or annual military equipment use policy community forum.

Uh,

this is a requirement,

uh,

and an agreement that we have with the police department.

Um,

I know that there's requirements and guidelines that we have to follow in

terms of when this community outreach needs to happen.

Um,

so,

um,

as we open this comment,

first,

I'll ask if there are any,

uh,

speaker slips on this item.

Thank you,

chair.

I do have one speaker slip on item number three,

Mr.

Kian Bliss.

Let me guess.

We're talking about,

uh,

speaker time limits.

Because,

uh,

apparently in city council,

we only get eight minutes total time to speak on any given agenda.

Appreciate you though.

Um,

yeah,

this,

I wanted to actually address some of the comments that were made,

uh,

earlier,

uh,

or at the previous meeting around military equipment use that I think is,

uh,

pertinent to this conversation.

Uh,

uh,

uh,

it's important to note that even if there are commercially available,

uh,

uh,

uh,

uncrewed aerial,

uh,

systems or drones that are available,

uh,

in commercial stores,

that does not make them designed of,

by,

and for the military.

In fact,

that's exactly where it was derived from as far back as,

uh,

the,

uh,

uh,

the mid century,

uh,

mid 20th century during world war two and,

uh,

further,

uh,

further advanced,

uh,

during the Yom Kippur war,

uh,

uh,

out in the middle East and Israel by Israel.

Um,

and it's important to note that within the military equipment inventory,

if you go to the specific pieces of equipment and try to actually access those,

those pieces of equipment,

from the manufacturer's website,

you'll notice that you actually can't access those commercially.

Individuals cannot do that.

Civil,

ordinary civilians.

You have to act.

These are actually specialized,

uh,

systems that are designed specifically for law enforcement.

And believe me,

I've tried.

I just recently tried,

but the sheriff's departments,

uh,

requested military equipment,

which was discussed last week.

So I think it's important,

like important not to fall into this pit that oftentimes is put out by,

uh,

law enforcement community that this is not military equipment.

It absolutely is.

And any military service service member that's seen this equipment in action in war zones can,

will tell you the same.

Okay.

But just to also note too,

it's important that you're,

that we're looking at these previous reports and stats.

I mean,

we've acknowledged this as well within,

uh,

our own recommendations,

uh,

which to the date we've only put out there.

We've put out 30 recommendations on this.

And it's,

uh,

one of those,

I believe,

uh,

one of the rationales actually included,

uh,

this mentioning.

So would encourage,

uh,

some of you that are new on this commission to take a look through those,

um,

as well as the data,

uh,

and look at the annual report yourselves before,

uh,

the community engagement meeting.

And,

uh,

yeah,

that's all I have.

Thank you for your comments,

chair.

I have no more speakers on this item.

Thank you.

Um,

I'm going to ask if,

uh,

somebody from,

from the police department can,

uh,

give us some guidelines in terms of when,

um,

the community engagement forum needs to happen and,

and the,

the technical requirements around the report that the commission should consider as

we're thinking about,

uh,

community engagement and,

and doing a joint forum.

And,

uh,

the,

the,

the,

the,

the,

the,

the,

the,

the,

the,

the,

the annual report and policy,

um,

uh,

Monday,

June 16th.

So past practice has been,

we've left it on the transparency page for people to view and digest for 30 days.

Then we have the community forum after that.

We have to go to council prior to August 27th,

because that's when it was passed last year.

So the closest date to July 16th,

without being before prior to that would still put us in the same guidelines that we were practicing in the previous years.

Um,

so that would be my request.

I know we have,

we could allocate staffing from the city to facilitate once you guys pick a location and a date on when you want to conduct that community forum.

Thank you.

And these are based on the requirements that we have in,

in,

uh,

the legislation that,

that specify that,

that the next report needs to be approved within.

Correct.

Then a year or a year.

Yes.

So can,

can council potentially push to,

uh,

extend it?

I don't know the answer to that.

That'd be a city attorney question to ask,

but I don't know if that's where we're at right now.

So,

um,

I don't know the answer to that,

but yes,

it has to be within a year to get it through.

I know one of the recommendations from the auditor's office,

um,

from the auditor's report was to come up with a new timeline and that will be something that we're working on,

uh,

presenting or replying back to council and the city manager on,

but that's unfortunately with the amount of work and the time strength we're on right now,

it's not going to be possible to get in this year's report.

So those,

all those recommendations will be for next year's annual report.

Great.

So just to,

uh,

summarize.

So it looks like any engagement that we do needs to happen between July 16th and August.

27th.

27th.

But,

but that's when it needs to go to the city.

Well,

yeah,

because I think last year we ran into the question of,

okay,

you had the community report and now we're going to go to council in two weeks.

Right.

So we didn't give them time.

So closer we are to July 16th.

The better off.

We have more time to process the feedback from the community meeting.

Absolutely.

Because one of,

one of the goals that we have is that the police department can take the feedback,

incorporate it within the report and use it to inform it.

If we do it right before the council is supposed to approve it,

that doesn't give much time.

Yeah.

And remember,

we have to go to law and ledge before,

before going to council with it also.

So,

so,

um,

I'll open it up for commissioner comments,

feedback.

Uh,

again,

we want to get comments and feedback on,

uh,

potential locations,

timeline for,

for when we want to,

when,

when we want to do this forum,

um,

and also top focus areas,

um,

or any other issues to think about,

um,

around it.

Um,

and again,

this is something that I'm assuming,

uh,

one of the working groups is going to be focused on.

Uh,

if I'm not mistaken,

I think this would be the,

one of the projects that would be fall under the,

uh,

working group.

Um,

trying to figure out,

I think it's working group,

the working group focused on community engagement.

So.

Vice chair,

may I add one more thing?

It's,

it'd be really,

really helpful and imperative to get a date settled today.

So we could start a date and a location.

So we could start getting that out there in the media.

Once we,

once we post on Monday,

right?

Like you have this and this is going to be our community day.

So the more prepared we could be and not put this off until next meeting,

because then we'll only have two weeks to get that messaging out.

Right.

So I think if you guys could come up with that today,

that'd be fantastic.

Okay.

Commissioner Lewis.

So question.

Cause I wasn't on the commission last year.

Is this something that is only done on a weekend or it is a weekday,

middle of the day,

I'm just trying to see what our options are for.

It's really your guys's decision,

right?

Last year,

I believe it was the middle,

it was a weekday,

but it was like,

it's just around six o'clock.

Don't quote me on the exact time.

But it was six o'clock.

It was at Oak Park community center.

We provided,

we set it up.

It's really your guys's meeting and we're there to facilitate a

presentation for you.

Okay.

And yet your guys interaction with the community,

because it's your time to get feedback from them.

Okay.

So we're not just limited.

That's what I was looking at for dates.

If we're not just limited to a weekend,

we can do it.

Correct.

On a Wednesday.

Okay.

Correct.

That was my question.

Thank you.

And before I got stuck and confused about the working groups,

so this would fall under policy working group two or area B,

which is the working group focused on,

on organizing the community engagement forums.

So I just wanted to clarify that.

Commissioner Korps.

And so that is Commissioner Lewis.

I'm just making sure I have it here.

Commissioner Lewis,

Commissioner Johnson.

You?

Yes.

And then Commissioner Carter Martinez,

who's not here tonight.

So you are the four that are?

Yeah.

Okay.

But in terms of what we would like to get,

I think we want to,

as close as possible,

settle on a possible date.

Um,

and I would urge us to take a look at anything close to July 16th,

since we want to do this as close as,

as soon as possible.

Uh,

once the report is out for 30 days.

Um,

so I see folks looking at calendar.

Commissioner Lewis.

Where did we say it was held last time?

Like what are our,

what was our location?

Last year was Oak Park Community Center.

Oak Park Community Center.

Okay.

Okay.

It's up to the commission.

Um,

so what have to?

Yeah.

I mean,

I would say if,

if that's where we had it before,

and we have that relationship with them,

um,

and they are aware of whatever our.

We,

we take,

we work with,

uh,

YPSI and IT to,

to facilitate it.

So that is done through us.

So you don't have to worry about it.

You just have to say,

we have to make sure it's available.

So I maybe go with,

you know,

two dates.

So in case it's not available for those dates and then,

or we could talk offline with the chair and vice chair and say,

Hey,

here's some optional dates and they can possibly potentially reach out to you

guys to see if that works for everyone.

You know,

any date works for me.

And I got a question for the city attorney if,

if possible.

Cause I forget last year,

they all can go.

It's not a meeting or can they,

at least it's still the Brown act that they can't have more than quorum.

I mean,

Jacob,

I think last year we made it a official meeting,

right?

For everybody to attend.

No,

I don't believe we did.

It was volunteer.

Okay.

Did everybody go last year?

Okay.

Okay.

Are we planning to,

is that the goal for everybody to attend?

Last year they had,

um,

they had a few people that sat up that commissioner Johnson was there.

And there was,

there was like three or four of you of the commissioner.

So the commissioners that are listed here,

but then there was some other commissioners that actually attended it,

but they didn't,

they weren't on the panel speaking,

but they were there.

I don't know.

For support or.

It was probably about four or five of us there that day.

So it was the whole commission itself.

It was less than a quorum though.

So based on last year,

it was optional and it was less than a quorum.

Um,

if it looks like we're going to have a quorum,

is that something that we should be tracking?

Uh,

so that.

Yeah.

We don't.

It would have to be an official meeting if you're going to do,

uh,

more than a quorum or quorum or more.

So it would be something for us to track and just make sure that we,

you know,

if we're going to have it be optional and needs to be,

we need to make sure that we don't have a quorum,

but if we're going to have a quorum,

then we have to adjust a little bit.

Jacob Redberg,

city clerk's office.

It,

it,

the format of the meeting would be vastly different if there was a quorum and

it was an official meeting of the body.

If you were to request that this be a special meeting of the body,

uh,

it would have to comply with the Brown acts and it may be a vastly different

format than you had envisioned.

It would be more similar to this,

which may not be,

uh,

the way in which you want to,

um,

interact with the public for,

for the feedback you're looking for.

And my opinion would be that if,

if we do want it to be engaging for the community,

um,

I don't want to exclude commissioners,

but it might be,

uh,

better for public engagement if,

if it's not an official meeting and that,

that,

that assumes that there's more structure or structure like this,

uh,

less flexibility.

So it might just be something that we need to track and just make sure that,

um,

we are not above a quorum.

It hasn't been an issue last year,

but,

um,

if it is this year,

that's a good thing because it means we have a lot of folks that are interested

and that are making the time,

but we might have to just,

um,

make sure that we don't go above that if that's how we want to proceed.

But that's,

that's my opinion.

That's my feedback,

uh,

based on how I understand these meetings to me.

It was better because the commission was able to,

um,

the public was able to open up last year,

very much so and be engaged.

So it was really made an open,

um,

community meeting.

So I think we might want to go,

um,

without,

um,

an organized session.

Um,

so I would suggest,

so I,

it sounds like we're using community centers like Opark,

Pinnell,

Hagenwood.

Um,

so to,

to,

to what you were saying,

since we're trying to get to as close to July 16th as possible.

Um,

and that's,

that's my committee that,

that,

that,

um,

I'm chair of what I would like to do is to get with you.

And then of those potential community centers,

we just need to look at their calendar.

I think that's what it's going to come down to is who has the best date that

works for us.

And then go with that.

If the commission agrees,

please go with that,

whether it's the Pinnell or whatever center that has the best state that

works for us.

Cause you know,

who knows what their calendars look like.

And if we just stick with just one,

then we may be pushed into August or to what,

whatever,

wherever else.

Um,

if you guys,

I don't know how you guys feel about that,

but I think that would work better if we could get together and look at the

dates that are available to us in the spaces that are available to us.

Yeah.

I have no problem getting together and working on that.

I just,

uh,

as long as you have the authority to make the decision at the time,

because the sooner,

the better to get it out to the community would be great on both sides.

So,

and then vice chair,

how would,

how would that work?

So if he and I figure out what works,

can we lock it down or do I need to,

do I need to reach out to?

I,

I mean,

I,

I think that if,

if the working group can decide on a few dates and want to come and

communicate that with,

with the department,

uh,

hopefully within the next week or two,

that I think that works.

Um,

I think we,

if,

if commissioners have,

uh,

feedback for the working group,

this would be a time for them to provide that feedback.

And I see commissioner corpse.

You're still in the,

can I just clarify?

I'm so the four members of this working group would be on the panel.

And does that mean that then the other commissioners can go or can't go?

Can't have more than a quorum.

Even if we're not part of the panel,

we're just there in the room.

Yes.

Okay.

Sorry.

Thank you.

Here for like two seconds.

Um,

cause I know you guys are trying to figure out the community outreach piece.

Um,

I will say I showed up to that meeting last year and the turnout was poor for

community members.

Um,

I think as you guys are planning this,

make sure you're spending enough time on an outreach,

um,

proposal to make sure the information is shared.

Um,

I believe city staff outnumbered,

um,

community members,

and that's not the purpose of the community engagement piece.

So you might want to make sure you guys have a clear plan for if you are

going to have it at the Oak park community center as well.

Um,

whatever the outreach needs to look like,

you probably should be reaching out to those community,

um,

organizations to make sure people are there.

The turnout was not good last year.

So I just wanted to make sure as you guys are planning that,

just to make sure you guys spend time with that piece as well.

Thank you.

And that outreach,

I think it's on the commission.

It's also on our relationships with,

with city staff and our,

and our council members to make sure that we get the word out there.

Commissioner sample.

Yes.

Thank you.

I was going to say just for ease of keeping things moving,

I would be supportive of any of those community centers that was,

uh,

mentioned.

And I agree.

I think a little more work in terms of the outreach.

I don't know what that looks like in terms of,

uh,

once we,

you know,

get a location,

get the information to all of us so that we can push it out to our

various networks as well as to our council member.

But I would say to keep things moving and to meet this timeline that we

have here,

I would be supportive of any of those community centers and locations.

And I would trust the ad hoc committee to make that,

that call.

Commissioner Spinoza.

As far as like the,

the,

um,

event center,

I think that the Oak park one was a very good center.

Um,

it had a lot of seating.

The parking was really great.

Um,

but if you guys,

the sooner we decide on a venue,

the quicker we can start telling people to come.

Um,

and then I do have the social media handle for Instagram for this

commission.

So,

um,

at the quicker we pick a venue,

the quicker I can make a post about it.

And then you guys can share it to your social medias.

Um,

and then,

yeah,

like doing regular outreach,

like through emails or telling your,

um,

city council members,

stuff like that.

So just,

yeah.

Commissioner Lewis.

Um,

yes,

definitely.

My goal is to get with captain Buchanan and,

you know,

by the end of,

you know,

this week to pick a date so that we can get that out.

And then,

um,

I'm glad that you have the social media,

um,

handles and all that.

So that then,

um,

as commissioner sample said,

we can get back to our districts,

our community,

our council members and go forth and be great.

So commissioner Lewis,

I think if you could just,

maybe we can meet after,

like before you leave and get a list of which ones you would want me to check.

And then I could check with city staff to see the availability for those couple of weeks in July.

And then I could be like,

Hey,

these ones are available.

And then we could have the meet,

we can meet up after this and,

or on the side and talk about it.

Commissioner corpse.

Can OPSA help with outreach on this as well?

Since you have staff.

Sorry.

Can you repeat that again?

Sorry.

Are you allowed is OPSA allowed to do outreach for this community event as well?

Since you're attending,

are you not allowed to do outreach?

I can check with Dr.

Watson on that one.

I know if you guys have the information to share,

we have no problem sharing it.

Um,

again,

uh,

our community engagement,

um,

coordinators in the community all the time.

I'm pretty sure you wouldn't have an issue sharing the information,

but I want to make sure that it is,

uh,

approved by Dr.

Watson before we commit to it.

Um,

but that is again,

something that I know needs to happen.

So I'm pretty sure that once you have the information,

we can kind of share it out.

Yes,

ma'am.

Seeing as there's no more commissioners on the queue to speak,

uh,

I want to thank you for your feedback.

Um,

and,

uh,

thank commissioner Lewis for your leadership.

Um,

and,

uh,

to the extent that we can do it as soon as possible.

Uh,

once July 16th hits,

that would be wonderful.

Uh,

it's in that it would give the police department enough time to consider the

feedback in the report as well.

Um,

so thank you again.

And this will,

uh,

be a conversation to continue,

um,

outside of the meeting for the working group.

So this is a discussion item.

Uh,

so with that,

there's no need to vote or take an action.

Uh,

we're going to move on to item number four,

Sacramento police department presentation on traffic initiatives.

Uh,

and with that,

I'll,

um,

give the floor to captain Buchanan,

um,

who's going to cover this.

Thank you,

vice chair.

Appreciate that.

I'd like to introduce a Lieutenant William Connor.

He's,

uh,

over our traffic unit in our Metro division and is fantastic.

So I'm sure you're going to enjoy his presentation.

Thank you very much,

captain.

Uh,

I am will Connor.

I'm a Lieutenant with our traffic air ops division.

I grew up in the city of Sacramento and I have to tell you that at 21st and G,

my grandparents,

uh,

lived right there.

21st and G,

uh,

G street used to be a one way street and there's a traffic light there and we'd had car

accidents there all the time.

I was fascinated by it and I grew up wanting to be a police officer,

be able to work on things like this and to help solve the problems.

And the big thing about traffic is that it affects all of us.

And by helping,

uh,

with traffic,

we're helping everybody.

And that is to say,

excuse me,

that it doesn't matter if you're driving a car or on foot or on a bicycle and you're

trying to get somewhere,

you want to do it safely and you want to do it in a way that is,

uh,

not encroaching on your time or,

uh,

something you have to,

to worry about.

And so I want to talk,

uh,

specifically about our traffic deployment plan that we are working on or utilizing

this year.

It's based on some really great things that we did last year.

I want to share that as well.

And I'd like to talk to you about what we have in terms of traffic and our,

um,

our staffing.

And so then answering questions that you might have.

Let me start with staffing.

We have a,

uh,

traffic motor team.

That is officers that are on motorcycles.

There are seven of them and one sergeant that work during the day.

Day shift hours are approximately 630 to 430.

And really they're set up so that they can deal with the,

um,

morning commute.

I do catch a little bit of the afternoon commute as well.

But the morning commute is where we have a lot of vehicles on the road.

Uh,

and we have a lot of car accidents.

So we're really trying to deploy in a way that it deals with our major thoroughfares in our areas where we have in times that we have our,

our collisions.

Excuse me.

We also have our major collision investigation unit.

That is six detectives and one sergeant.

And they are deployed on major collisions,

which are,

uh,

high injury collisions,

fatal collisions.

Uh,

ones where there's,

uh,

they're difficult to understand or take a lot of reconstruction.

A lot of math,

a lot of physics go into those things.

Um,

and more recently we have a nighttime traffic team.

I'm very excited about this because the nighttime traffic team is just deploying now.

Uh,

that is they just got out of motor school.

All four are on motorcycles as well,

but they also have the option to be in,

in police cars like you might normally see.

And I say that because they are working on many things.

They are also working on the commute.

Again,

we have the highest number of,

uh,

vehicles on the road and therefore the highest number of collisions.

Uh,

but they also are dealing with sideshows and with DUI enforcement.

Two major issues that we have in the city of Sacramento.

Now they also work,

uh,

a little offset from our day shift officers.

And so they are working the weekends as well.

When we see a lot of sideshow activity.

Uh,

if you're familiar with sideshows,

then you know that they can be very difficult to manage.

There's lots of people out there.

They also can be very dangerous.

Uh,

that is sideshows are generally large groups that are observing,

a few individuals in the middle of this group,

uh,

that are driving in reckless behaviors.

And,

and a lot of times doing what someone might call donuts or Brodies.

Uh,

things like that leaving tire friction marks on the roadway.

And,

um,

a lot of times causing damage.

Unfortunately,

there's other things that go along with this.

Uh,

they're especially dangerous.

Uh,

that is that,

uh,

this group is trying to out,

out do that group.

Uh,

there may be some competition that has to do with gang activity at times.

Um,

and what we end up seeing is violence that goes along with that.

Sometimes there's Molotov cocktails thrown.

Sometimes there's shootings.

Um,

oftentimes we have,

um,

guns that are recovered and things like that afterwards.

So I bring all that up because this is a team that would be able to spearhead our,

uh,

work toward those things.

Now I wanted to explain all those things about what our staffing was and,

uh,

really go into our deployment strategy.

That is how we decide where we're going to deploy and how.

Uh,

but I'd also like to talk to you about just traffic in general.

So when we talk about traffic and the,

uh,

police or government aspect of how we might deal with traffic,

we have the hundred year old idea of the three E's.

Maybe you've heard of them before.

That is engineering enforcement and education.

So it's not simply a bunch of cops running out and,

uh,

writing tickets.

Although that is a part of it.

Uh,

that is also,

uh,

only about a third of it.

And I say that because,

um,

while enforcement does prevent a lot of incidents,

you know that the CHP,

for example,

had a maximum enforcement this weekend.

Uh,

so everybody made sure that they drove safe.

And when you drove down highway 50 or 80,

you were able to count how many officers were out there.

Well,

that kept the collision numbers down,

of course,

uh,

as a part of those things.

Uh,

so the education piece is important.

Uh,

being out and aware and just your,

your presence in an area,

uh,

is very important.

So an officer that makes a traffic stop does influence traffic or driving

behaviors of the person that they talk to,

but they also influence influence the driving behaviors of everyone who drives by

and sees them making that stop or sees them issuing that citation.

And it really doesn't matter what that citation is for.

We try to focus on moving violations because those are the causes of collisions.

Uh,

but even if it was a registration citation,

uh,

people that walk by or drive by think that it is speeding that they were stopped for.

That's kind of the most common thing.

And so again,

that affects everyone's behaviors when they see that.

Now,

the education piece goes hand in hand with that.

So a lot of times officers make a traffic stop and they advise,

or they don't give a ticket.

They give a warning,

a verbal warning,

uh,

and they take the opportunity to educate people.

And that is that this is very unsafe.

And the reason I stopped you is for these reasons.

And,

uh,

I'd like to see you get to where you want to go today.

Um,

and so a citation is not issued.

So that's a piece of education.

Another one is getting to go to schools,

talking to children.

Uh,

we have a start smart program that,

uh,

we have about,

uh,

once a month where we talk to,

uh,

new drivers,

usually teen drivers and their parents.

Teen drivers have a tendency to tell their parents about all the rules,

but they leave out the ones that kind of affect them.

And they tell them they can,

um,

you know,

maybe take their friends out to,

um,

you know,

to ice cream,

but you can't take them over to a hamburger because that's against the rules.

And against that,

that sounds ridiculous when we talked about that,

but unless we have that conversation and really bridge that gap,

a lot of times there is an issue there and parents aren't aware of what their kids are doing,

or kids aren't aware that their parents want a phone call.

Even if they've made a mistake,

even if they've done something they shouldn't have done,

they want a phone call so that they get home safe that night.

And we really are able to bridge that gap with education piece.

Uh,

so it's really a nice thing because I have teenagers that drive and I,

I want to make sure that that sort of thing happens for,

for others.

The last thing is engineering.

And that's so much on the police side,

but we do collaborate with the city traffic engineers who are responsible for creating the roadways,

uh,

designing them,

looking at the way signage and striping and widths and,

uh,

all those things go together.

And when we have collisions,

especially with our major collision investigation unit,

we have a lot of communication.

As you might've guessed,

the police department has a lot of statistical data to share.

And we're able to share that with the engineers to help them understand where their quick build projects can,

uh,

end up being most effective.

And they in turn work with us,

uh,

in dealing with say speeds.

Um,

they are the ones that come up with the new speed limits for roadways.

So we can work together and understand where it makes most sense,

uh,

to make changes and things like that.

So that's the three E's of,

uh,

traffic.

traffic.

But most recently,

uh,

chief Lester started with a fourth E.

Now we told,

we've talked before about those other ones being about a hundred years old.

And this is brand new stuff here.

Very exciting because it is engagement,

as you might've guessed.

So here we are talking about all the things that we are doing within the government.

But now we are also engaging with the public because,

you know,

we can try to change behaviors.

We can try to influence through education,

but it really is something that we need to collaborate with others about.

And so we've worked with groups like slow down Sacramento,

uh,

mad,

um,

safety bill USA,

uh,

to come up with ways to articulate how we can all work together to make sure that

traffic safety is a priority.

Uh,

we can show what we're doing and then ask,

well,

what,

how can we work together?

How can we support you?

And then they also,

how can they support us?

So that's been a huge win for us being able to do this.

Now our deployment strategy,

I want to move over to that,

um,

is based on data.

So we took a look,

uh,

based last year on where the greatest number of collisions were happening.

So we have the city of Sacramento.

It's about a hundred square miles.

We split that up into seven districts,

uh,

for the police department.

Those seven districts each have areas where we have a lot of collisions.

So we took a look at all the data that went along with those.

We tried to understand when those collisions were happening,

where they were happening,

um,

and then deploying to those neighborhoods.

Now we do this,

uh,

on a regular basis that we try to understand the newest,

best information.

Last year,

we were doing it once a month.

This year,

we're doing it every three months.

That is every month we're looking at the last three months worth of data.

That larger swath is,

uh,

more effective just in that,

as you know,

if we had school out or school starting or some other special event,

that could skew data for just one month.

So looking at it a little bit longer,

we could also see what kind of effectiveness we've had,

uh,

in the deployment strategies.

uh,

I'm happy to say that,

uh,

well,

I'm unhappy to say that we had,

uh,

high numbers of fatal collisions,

uh,

from 22 through 20,

I'm sorry,

21,

22,

and 23.

And I,

but I am happy to say that we've utilized this new,

uh,

framework,

this new understanding of things,

and that data-driven,

uh,

understanding of where we should deploy.

And last year we actually dropped fatals by 30%.

Uh,

that was enormous.

Uh,

and I say all that,

and it wasn't just the police department that did it.

It was a collaboration of the police department and with the community.

Uh,

it is a matter of,

yes,

enforcement,

but also education and,

uh,

the engineering piece.

The education also being social media releases,

talking about it constantly.

We have things on the news.

We have,

uh,

something that we used to call traffic tip Tuesday,

uh,

where you might've seen one of our officers talking about traffic.

Uh,

we have several,

uh,

small videos where we've noticed that there is an issue,

say scooters,

uh,

riding through old Sacramento and downtown.

And so we created a scooter video that went out on social media to be able to

address that and to educate the public on that,

uh,

and the safety aspects that go along with that.

So that's also been very effective and I'm very happy to talk about that one.

That's been,

been very much of a win.

Um,

this year we,

um,

as we always keep our,

our data on fails,

uh,

we are right around the same numbers as we were last year.

Last year,

we saw a spike right after everybody got out of school.

So this year we've taken steps,

uh,

to do more education and,

uh,

more enforcement efforts during these times,

specifically here in June.

Um,

um,

I want to wrap it up with the fact that we are always looking for new and innovative technologies.

We're always looking to improve and,

and not only improve what we're doing,

but improve our relationship with the community,

uh,

and the interaction thereof.

So if there's any,

uh,

questions or comments or ideas that maybe you've heard about or read about,

we are definitely interested in,

in hearing about them and looking to see if there's a new technology we can,

uh,

work with.

So I want to thank you very much for your time and make sure that I answer questions for you,

um,

about what we're doing here in traffic.

Thank you.

Uh,

and before we open it up for commissioner questions and comments,

uh,

we're going to,

I'm going to ask if there's any speaker slips on this item.

Thank you,

chair.

I do have one speaker slip on this item.

Uh,

Mr.

Kian Bliss.

I appreciated,

uh,

what I saw to be the,

one of the first,

uh,

traffic enforcement presentations,

uh,

from the police department,

uh,

to this commission.

And,

uh,

I think it's informative.

Uh,

it leaves me with a lot of questions just to add a few,

uh,

important points of information.

Sacramento city has commissioned no less than a few.

than three separate studies,

uh,

in the last,

uh,

25 years that,

uh,

to like around,

uh,

Sacramento police departments,

traffic enforcement.

And since 2021,

um,

one of the things that I found most disturbing is how in every single study from 2021 to 2008,

to even,

uh,

uh,

2020,

uh,

uh,

to 2019 through 20 or 2014 to 2019,

um,

black and brown motorists on equivalent,

like overwhelmingly comprise the majority of,

uh,

disproportionate majority of Sacramento police stops.

Um,

and this was even corroborated in the office of safety accountabilities,

uh,

report into,

um,

uh,

improper search and seizures that was,

uh,

released in 2023,

uh,

noting how the,

uh,

much of the,

uh,

stops that are initiated,

uh,

particularly for black and brown drivers is as much as,

uh,

or,

uh,

is oftentimes for under pretextual stops,

uh,

which are done for things like tinted windows and other non-safety,

uh,

criteria.

And this is one of the biggest problems,

uh,

that I think faces,

uh,

faces our community right now that makes us,

uh,

that actually damages the trust,

uh,

and relationship between community members and the police department.

Um,

nothing has changed since 2001.

In fact,

uh,

it was shown as to be as,

uh,

as high as three times as more often,

uh,

for black motors to be pulled over oftentimes for,

uh,

with either a warning or a citation,

but also,

uh,

being searched.

Um,

it also involves being searched and pulled out of your vehicle,

um,

uh,

as many as six times,

uh,

as often if you're a black motorist compared to,

uh,

any other motorist,

uh,

on the road at the moment.

And that's the,

the most comprehensive look we've had at that has been,

uh,

from 20,

uh,

in 2020,

uh,

2019,

um,

the center for policing equity report,

which I really encourage,

uh,

everybody on this commission,

uh,

especially those of you who are new,

uh,

to look into.

It's available publicly,

um,

on the center for policing equities website,

uh,

if you look up Sacramento.

But I bring this up to note that we are in the middle of consistent budget,

uh,

crunches and,

um,

ongoing limited,

limited resources.

And we continue to prioritize enforcement on all,

violations,

even,

uh,

ones that have nothing to do with safety,

such as,

uh,

expired tags or,

um,

uh,

or,

uh,

not even like where,

or not even having like a,

one of your lights,

uh,

on or whatnot.

There's a lot of different policies and violations that could be changed and amended to not only save the department money,

but,

uh,

and,

and the city money,

but also to reduce the number of interactions between law enforcement and,

uh,

policing,

which,

um,

here in California,

uh,

traffic driving,

uh,

is,

uh,

oftentimes the number one,

uh,

source of police,

uh,

and civilian interactions,

uh,

across the state.

And the number of fines and,

uh,

like,

and fees that are issued from traffic stops oftentimes are born on,

uh,

the,

those of us that can afford at least.

And oftentimes in areas where traffic safety infrastructure is the least,

uh,

is the least developed based on,

uh,

historical redlining as well as,

uh,

just divestment and underinvestment in particular communities,

which here in Sacramento,

uh,

means,

uh,

is in South Sacramento and North Sacramento areas where there are no,

or places where there are limited sidewalks or limited,

uh,

crosswalks and even stop signs,

uh,

in a lot of areas and even speed signs.

Um,

I'm curious to know how often,

like the,

the engineering piece that,

uh,

I thought was particularly interested in this traffic,

uh,

deployment plan,

uh,

is how often,

uh,

has this engineering work with city engineers,

uh,

actually led to either this reduction in speeds or the changing of the road

infrastructure for,

um,

uh,

for the areas in which they are noticing the highest number of collisions.

Um,

and also to,