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Alright

Good evening, welcome to the

December 8th, 2025

meeting of the Sacramento

Community Police Review Commission

This meeting is now called to order

Will the clerk please call the roll to establish a quorum?

Thank you, Chair.

Member Sample?

Present.

Member Johnson?

Present.

Member Coleman?

Present.

Member Korbs?

Present.

Vice Chair Buenrostro is absent.

Member Griggs is absent.

Member Lewis?

Present.

Member Giannullius?

Present.

Member Brookins is absent.

Member Espinosa Salazar. Present. And Chair Carter-Martinez. Present. Thank you. We have quorum.

I would like to remind members of the public in chambers that if you would

like to speak on an agenda item please turn in a speaker slip when the item

begins. For matters not on the agenda you will have five minutes to speak once

you are called upon. For matters listed on the agenda you will as well. We will

now proceed with today's agenda. Please rise for the opening acknowledgements in

honor of Sacramento's indigenous people and tribal lands.

To the original people of this land, the Nisenan people, the Southern Maidu,

Valley and Plains Miwok, Patuan Wintu peoples, and the people of the Wilton

Rancheria, Sacramento's only federally recognized tribe, may we acknowledge and

honor the native people who came before us and still walk beside us on these ancestral lands by

choosing to gather together today in an active practice of acknowledgement and appreciation for

Sacramento's indigenous people's history contributions and lives. Thank you. Please

remain standing for the pledge of allegiance. I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States

of America.

And to the republic for which it stands,

one nation, under God, indivisible,

with liberty and justice for all.

All right.

Our first business today is public comments,

matters not on the agenda.

Clerk, are there any members of the public

who wish to speak on public comments,

matters not on the agenda?

Thank you, Chair.

I have no speaker slips for matters not on the agenda.

All right. Our next business today is approval of the consent calendar. As a reminder to the public, you will have five minutes to speak on these agenda items.

Clerk, are there any members of the public who wish to speak on the consent calendar?

Thank you, Chair. I have no speaker slips on the consent calendar.

All right. Thank you. Are there any commissioners who wish to speak on the consent calendar?

Is there a motion and a second for the consent calendar?

Motion.

I'll second.

Will the clerk please call the roll for the vote?

Thank you, Chair.

Member Sample?

Aye.

Member Johnson?

Aye.

Member Coleman?

Aye.

Member Korbs?

Aye.

Vice Chair Buenrostro is absent.

Member Griggs is absent.

Member Lewis.

Aye.

Member Giannullis.

Aye.

Member Brookins is absent.

Member Espinosa-Salazar.

Aye.

And Chair Carter-Martinez.

Aye.

Thank you.

The motion passes.

All right.

Thank you, commissioners and clerk.

We will now proceed to the discussion calendar.

Item number one, item, excuse me, number two is the Sacramento Community Police Review

Commission follow-up log.

The recommendation is to review, discuss,

and pass a motion approving the follow-up log.

I will now turn it over to public comment.

As a reminder for the public, you will have five minutes to speak on discussion calendar

items. Clerk, are there any members of the public who wish to speak on this item?

Thank you, Chair. I have no speaker slips.

All right. Thank you.

Are there any commissioners who wish to speak on this item?

I do, actually.

This item was brought up in our November meeting by Commissioner Buen Rostro.

He had wanted us to review the follow-up log and only take a few things forward but kind of start with a fresh, clean slate.

and since Commissioner Buenrostro is not here tonight,

I would like to ask that we table this item

so that he's able to speak on his desire

to move forward or not move forward

with the follow-up log.

So do I have to make a motion on that or?

Madam Chair, I move that we do hold it.

So next meeting.

Okay.

Can I get a second on tabling it

until the next meeting

when Commissioner Buenrostro is present?

Second.

Thanks.

All right.

Clerk, can you please take a roll call vote?

Thank you, Chair.

Member Sample?

Aye.

Member Johnson?

Aye.

Member Coleman?

Aye.

Member Korbs?

Aye.

Member Griggs?

Vice Chair Buen Rostro is absent.

Member Griggs is absent.

Member Lewis?

Aye.

Member Janoulias?

Aye.

Member Brookins is absent.

Member Espinosa-Salazar?

Aye.

And Chair Carter-Martinez?

Aye.

Thank you.

The motion passes to continue this item to a future meeting.

All right.

Thank you, commissioners and clerk.

The next item, number three, is discuss a proposed approach to adopting a 2026 work plan.

Clerk, are there any members of the public who wish to speak on this item?

Thank you, Chair. I have no speaker slips.

Thank you.

Commissioners, are there any commissioners who wish to speak on this item?

I would like to, so I'll start off.

I can't tell from the agenda that's on the website if the outline that I sent, did it make it to folks?

If it is, I can't tell.

So it's on the agenda, and I just, I'm trying to bring it up.

Unfortunately, I only have my phone.

It's not really like an outline.

I know.

Is it more like some bullet points?

Yeah.

Okay.

It's like 30 pages.

Yeah, it was a lot of pages.

Is that what you were?

It should not have been a lot of pages.

It looks like Commissioner Lewis, doesn't it look like it's duplicate, duplicative?

Yeah, it's like the analysis but not the actual.

Oh, okay.

But it just keeps saying page one of two, page one of two.

So I think it's just.

Yeah.

I think it's missing.

Because I did look through this earlier and it did look duplicative of city count of like

clerk analysis and departmental analysis but I did not see the actual notes that I had

sent along.

Okay.

creates a conundrum because I wanted us to tonight review kind of my like overall picture

thinking of how we're going to proceed with our work next year and then spend the next month

during the winter break filling in kind of the meat of it with the volunteers from the commission.

I had outlined things such as training, listening sessions with the community,

the need to elect a new chair next month, things like that.

So this was in that document, which I guess didn't make it here.

So do we have to table it, Audreyelle?

Yeah, so it does appear that the staff report kind of just repeats a few times and that whatever note attachments that you sent don't seem to be included.

It's like a whole long document.

However, you may still discuss the matter.

It is agendized to discuss the 2026 work plan.

So although there's no bullet point of document that you described,

you can still discuss based off of that document, you know, the ideas that you had.

All right.

So I'm just going to...

Bear with me one second.

Thank you.

Chair, would you like to take a brief break?

Chair, yes.

While we're getting this ready, would you like to take a five minute reset?

Yes.

Thank you.

We'll be back live in five minutes.

Okay.

Thanks.

do you have to make a apology i cannot find the document i'm looking for on my computer

and i am praying to god i did not erase it but it may may have happened that doesn't preclude us

from talking about putting together a work plan for 2026 um and it's going to take a committee

of folks to put it together and I do have some ideas for what I think we

should be including in it and the direction that the Commission should go

I think one of our goals for this year was really trying to figure out or it's

it's become emerging like how do we do better outreach and get more folks in

the community connected to the Commission so the idea I had had for

that was that in addition to the MEU forums that we do that we have some

like neighborhood or area listening sessions

where we're able to not bring the issue to the neighborhood

but have the neighborhood bring the issues to us

and talk to us about their relationship with the SPD

and how they'd like to see that improve

or stay the same if folks are happy with it.

So that was one of my main ideas for 2026

was to incorporate over the summer

when we have a break from commission

to incorporate some listening sessions

In addition, we want to kind of kick off

a training plan for commissioners

and we have a separate agenda item

that we'll talk about that in.

So we'll get to that later.

But I would love to hear from folks

kind of what work going forward in 2026

you hope to accomplish either in some type of continuation

of the ad hoc or informing other ad hocs

because I think we do have to restart them

at the beginning of the year.

So the dais is open to ideas that folks have for 2026.

I'll take note and then at the end of the discussion,

we'll get some volunteers together to work on this.

And we would have to have it to the clerk's office

by probably a week out from our next meeting.

So we'll have to do some work over the December holidays

if that's okay.

All right, Commissioner Korbs.

Thank you.

I have a question for you in regards to the listening sessions.

I love that idea, number one, because I think it's very important.

I see that we have members in our audience today.

I don't know if they're planning on speaking or not.

I hope that they are.

I would love to know what's better ways to get people to be involved.

And I've only been to one of the MEU meetings.

I went in 2024 and I was not able to go into, well, I think there was quorum issues for

2025.

But I will be honest, I think they're very poorly attended.

Very poorly attended.

And I advertised, I sent it to my city council representative.

I sent it to people I know.

I don't know if anybody else on the commission did.

I'm not saying that people should or should not.

But when you get an opportunity like that,

especially on something that is a very hot topic,

and you get nine or ten people, it's disappointing.

So I love the idea.

I know we spoke with Commissioner Zocci

about potentially doing something at Sac State.

That, of course, would be going to them.

Since then, I know our ad hoc committee had talked about,

well, hmm, that is, Sac State has their own PD.

And I don't know if Captain Buchanan can discuss that or not, but, like, they have their own police, so I'm not sure if that would be stepping on toes or not.

But I just wanted to bring that up.

I love the idea.

I think it's important, but I just struggle with what would be the best way to get community involvement.

Can I respond?

Yes.

I'm all frazzled now.

Sorry.

So this is my third year on the commission and my third year participating in the MEU forums, the military equipment usage forums.

And the first year we did, the first year I was involved, we did like two or three forums and those were the best attended forums.

That year was the best attended.

We did a push with the media to get the word out, a big push with the media.

We had a lot of media coverage.

We did have like full rooms of people.

So that year was the best.

And I think the difference was that we did do like a full tilt, like get it out in community papers and media and stuff like that.

I know for the one in Oak Park, like I put stuff in the local barber shops and things like that.

But I think if we're able to attract like neighborhood newsletters and the written media and social media and these different things,

I think that's one way we can increase our attendance.

But I think we have to strategize other ways as well

because my idea with the listening sessions

is that maybe military equipment is not the,

even though it's required by law

and we will continue to do that,

it's not maybe the issue that people want to talk about

and maybe there's something else.

So that was my thinking around that.

Commissioner Lewis.

Thank you. I agree with Commissioner Korbs.

And I think the disconnect that we had this year because we put on the MEU is there has to be some sort of connection,

which I don't know what the mechanisms are as far as marketing with the city.

Captain Buchanan and I were talking and we worked together.

But whatever the processes are for marketing with the city, that needs to be established.

because I don't know how else we're going to get out the word of word.

We don't have the vehicles.

I mean, marketing is what I do in my business.

We don't have the vehicles to reach people, and we're just doing it like I did, just word of mouth.

There has to be some sort of understanding of, okay, if we want to put out a flyer,

we want to put out a notification, then we contact XYZ, or we do this.

So then it happens.

Then it goes out to the channels that the city has access to.

And so then when we're working together, it's not just Captain Buchanan and the committee trying to manually force knowledge of it to the communities.

And I agree, it should be for the MEU and the listening sessions.

I agree with you when you're saying that.

MEU, yes, is a big thing.

We have to do that.

But listening sessions should be just that, listening sessions.

So if we could figure out what's the process, not just we're in a committee and we say, okay, we want to get out this event.

Now what?

Who do we talk to?

Thank you, Commissioner Lewis.

Commissioner Sample.

Thank you.

I completely agree with everything that everyone said.

I'd like to add one piece to it, and that is it would be nice in this next work plan to have something around youth engagement.

Sorry.

Youth engagement and how we can build bridges with our young people.

And I know our ad hoc has talked about that.

Commissioner Brookings is very actively involved in that kind of work.

So I would like to see something as part of this next work plan.

Either it's one of these listening sessions that's really geared towards young people,

or we find some way to do something meaningful to bring them, because they're part of our community.

But everything else, I really like this thought of having more listening sessions.

I, very much like yourself, I was there for the first kind of round of military use kind of community meetings at the Hagenwood Community Center.

It was way more than just the one issue.

It's well attended, and so I think it would be good to have that opportunity.

Great.

Ah, Commissioner Johnson.

Sorry.

Commissioner Johnson.

I truly agree with what I've heard thus far.

What I really believe is that we do have to kind of like,

what I've been doing has been really trying to get involved with our District 2 council office

and to engage them into what we're doing, bringing them up to speed what we're doing.

then also trying to take that into the community and kind of draw the community in to let them know what we're doing.

Because a lot of them don't know, have not really taken it upon themselves.

There's some kind of things where sometimes they don't know that they're able to access the city's agenda,

the city's council, how to go about getting into city meetings.

So a lot of them need to be educated in that standpoint.

And now finding out that there are a lot of our community places that are open to the public.

And the public just probably needs to have some idea of exactly what we're doing here, what's going on.

And just not like a hot topic item like military equipment.

But now what feeds them, which is their neighborhood, their community.

I've sat in the city council's meetings and different things,

and there are different type of hot items that the community is really involved in and touching base in.

A lot of them does have a lot to do with what we're doing,

trying to work with the police department to make sure that we all have an idea of how to work together

in order to get the city council's agendas done.

but we have to do our best to kind of start feeding into those mechanisms so I

really kind of suggest that we do take out time for our districts to go into

where our community centers are at and kind of check on the bulletin board

kind of check on seeing and being kind of aware maybe stop in every once in a

while we got a whole month before we meet again all the time but stop me

stop in a couple of times a month in there, pass out, maybe a flyer or something to let

them know that here's a city council, there's a police commissioner council's meeting that

the commission meeting meets and that sure would like to have your take, what is your

take possibly on this and that.

And then we kind of get them kind of rolling because like they said, they don't know that

they're at home.

And definitely an excuse like it's too cold to go out or sometimes in summer it's too

hot to go out but if it's something that's really sticking with them they

will come out it's not really too good when we every once in a while we get

maybe somebody that wanders in and says well this item happened between me and

the police department that happened the police department I want you guys to

hear about it well I think we shall kind of hear about it way before then they

get here so that kind of really helps a lot that's my take on it absolutely

thank you Commissioner Johnson Commissioner Espinosa Salazar

So I did look into hosting something at Sac State, and it looks like we would be able

to do it, but I have booked a room at the University Union before, and it's something

that you need to do well in advance, just because it's very competitive to book a room.

So that would be something.

And then another thing to consider is like it would mainly be to bring youth in just because it's a college campus.

And so you would mainly be pushing that towards people in the dorms because I could definitely see like a lot of people not showing up just based on the fact that you have to pay for parking.

So that might be something that makes people not want to come.

So I don't know if you guys still want to consider that as a space.

And then as for engagement with the youth, I think making a flyer and then sending it

out to different professors that are in criminal justice or in politics or something, they'll

be pretty likely to show that in their class and say, hey, there's this event going on,

or different social justice groups.

I think they would be likely to promote it as well.

And then also like maybe your council member,

if you send it to them, maybe they'll

want to promote it as well.

So those are just a couple ideas besides like general media.

Yeah.

Great.

Those are great ideas.

Thank you, Commissioner Espinosa Salazar.

I know for my actual job, I work for a labor union,

the union that represents professors at Sac State.

And we went on strike a few years ago.

And so I worked very closely with the department there to make sure that we had a safe day for everybody and that nobody got hurt.

All right.

Commissioner Korps.

Commissioner, I like to say Xochitl.

I hope that's okay.

Actually, Captain Buchanan.

can you tell us if the commission would like to do something at Sac State,

some type of listening session,

is that overstepping our boundaries because Sac State has their own police department

or would we still be able to do that?

I don't think you'd be overstepping.

I think a courtesy to Sac State police would be good.

Just let them know you're going to be on campus.

The question is going to be focused to policing in Sacramento,

not so much on the campus would be my thing.

And if that you guys got it towards that,

it'd keep it to what this commission's about.

There's oversight policing in the city.

So I,

my recommendation would be just to reach out to the Sac State police

department and I'd get you a point of contact.

Okay.

I just wanted to make sure that we weren't going to be stepping on toes or

anything.

I do have contact information there.

I worked with them on the strike so I can connect us and make sure that as a

courtesy,

we let them know.

And I think the goal would be to talk about kind of policing in general in

Sacramento and not necessarily the Sac State Police Department.

All right. Is that everyone in the queue?

Okay.

So I guess the second part of the conversation is,

and we did talk about this last time, I know Commissioner Coleman volunteered to help

work on the plan and we can connect when the meeting's over and put together

a time and a date and a place to work on that. Is there anybody else that would like

to work on a draft plan, we would again need to get it done in the next three weeks so

that we can discuss it and hopefully adopt it at the January meeting.

All right.

Great.

Commissioner Johnson, thank you.

All right.

If there's no other comments on this, this item is receive and file and no vote is required.

we will move on to the next item.

All right.

Item number four is ad hoc committee report back.

Clerk, are there any members of the public who wish to speak on this item?

Thank you, Chair.

I have no speaker slips.

All right.

Thank you.

Are there any commissioners who wish to speak on this item?

Ad hoc committees, if you can give a report on your progress or if you were on hiatus this last month, please let us know.

Commissioner Sample.

Yes, thank you.

So our ad hoc committee, we had our monthly meeting, which was, I think, very beneficial.

So definitely want to thank the team.

I'm going to pretty much save all of our comments for the next item

where we talk about the orientation and onboarding,

which was a large part of our discussion and conversation.

And Karen, did I catch everything?

I think it was really about the onboarding.

Yeah, so looking forward to that item next.

Awesome.

Thank you.

Commissioner Lewis.

No report from the community police efficiency ad hoc.

at this time. Okay. And Commissioner Buen Rostro is not here to report on his commission,

so we will hear from folks next month. All right. Moving on then to item number five,

discussing a draft orientation and ongoing training outline for the Sacramento Community

Police Review Commission. The recommendation is to discuss a draft outline of possible orientation

and ongoing training and if possible to pass a motion approving the orientation and training

outline and forwarding the outline as a recommendation to be added to the commission's annual report.

Clerk, are there any members of the public who wish to speak on this item?

Thank you, Chair.

I have no speaker slips.

Thank you.

Are there any commissioners who wish to speak on this item?

I know there are. Commissioner Sample.

I was going to wait for someone else to go ahead and chime up, but I'll jump in.

So I'll just kind of talk a little bit about our ad hoc group that really was tasked with looking at onboarding for commissioners.

And a little context, just thinking about how when many of us came to the commission, it was kind of, here's your seat.

Here is the system.

congratulations go for it and so we felt that it was very nice to have this

opportunity to have some type of training that would not only be good for

current commissioners but previous commissioners and could be something that

lives continual as the various modules so I will jump to one of my other

members here to maybe explain a little bit more about the modules so Karen you

want to talk about that all right so as part of the agenda today the training

outline was posted but I it's my understanding that many commissioners

have not had the opportunity to look at it so if you haven't that is okay you

You can look at it for next time.

But there's different modules talking about understanding the role of the Police Review

Commission, introduction to the Sacramento Police Department.

Under that, it's about organizational structure, budget, partnerships.

I think the one that probably will get a lot of interest is police practices and procedures,

which talks about use of force, community policing, internal affairs, compliance, which

is right up our alley as commissioners.

crime reduction strategies, crime prevention programs.

And so there's a bunch of different things.

Last time at our meeting, we talked in great detail about what does that look like?

Because we can't have a quorum when we do our training, so we would have to separate.

So it was about, we thought, possibly having half the commission come at 5 o'clock, spend

30 minutes on one agenda or one topic, and then the other half could stay after our meeting

for an additional 30 minutes for training.

So it looks like tonight we potentially get done quite early

so that extra 30 minutes isn't really that big of a deal, right?

And then I loved what Commissioner Sample said was like this could be ongoing.

And, of course, we would bring OPSA in too.

I see Jody over there because that's not on the training outline.

But we were talking before about like how would we incorporate this.

And then on our ad hoc meeting, it was like, well, what about instead of just

doing it for like every other month for six months what about if we just chose one meeting a quarter

and then we did that and then the next quarter we did a different topic and it was just ongoing

so if we get through six or eight topics and then we're ready to start over again from the beginning

there's going to be new people on the commission and there's going to be some established people

and the established people can say I'm opting out because I've already heard that or if they want to

attend they can because you never know people in the police department will

have changed and there will be new speakers so I I actually really

appreciate that one that it would just be ongoing and it's just once a quarter

because especially if we're going to continue on with our ad hoc committees

and I know my ad hoc committee meets every month so I that's another meeting

so you know it gets to be a lot if it's every month but once a quarter doesn't

seem so bad. And I would be happy to propose if we, you know, as we all know, it takes

quite some time to get things going, but maybe we have our first training in March. Like

it gives us a couple of meetings to figure out what we want our first training to be,

but I need to find out from the city clerk's office if we're going to be able to use this

room. So, Mr. City Clerk, when do you think you'd have an answer for us? Would you have

an answer for us by January if we'd be able to use this room for 30 minutes before and

30 minutes after?

I cannot.

I will bring that to my,

to the city clerk and the assistant city clerk.

I have brought it up after the last meeting.

I'm sure they've had discussions

and yeah, our office

can get back to you on that.

Okay. And it would be

great if for our January meeting

if everybody,

if you go to the agenda

and you can print it out

So the Sacramento Police Commission meeting agenda.

If you don't know how to find that online, I'd be happy to share because it took me forever to figure that out.

You can print it out.

And so for the next meeting, if everybody can come with their top three topics, that would interest them.

And then we can figure that out in January, and we could potentially have our first training in March.

did i miss anything commissioner sample no i think probably the only other uh little uh nuance that i

put in here was under module one understand the role of a police review commission i know it says

delivered by the commission chairs i would actually like for that to be delivered by the

city attorney's office so that they can kind of give that very clear overview of this is what

city council and everyone who brought this together

had in mind and envisioned and kind of really lay out

the legal authority, responsibilities, ethics, and professional standards.

So that would be my only kind of thing. Plus it takes it off the chairs

back to have to worry about that and puts it on the city attorneys.

Thank you.

this sounds wonderful I would like us to bring OPSA into the conversation about

training hi OPSA I would like to bring them into the conversation about

training because I think they have a different lens on some of the items that

we would be talking about and their lens is important as we're especially as

we're trying to figure out how to get the community more engaged and I feel

like I haven't reached out yet well number one I don't have your contact

information so I need that but number two is that we didn't have anything set

in stone yet and I didn't want to reach out until I knew that we had some dates

potentially set and then I can say okay is is OPSA ready to be our first speaker

or they want to wait or so forth so I think that one of the things that we do

have to be really cognizant of especially as you guys are body how are

you're developing the topics that you want training on you guys are a forward

facing Commission meaning you guys are not only representative of your elects

that you appointed you guys but the community as whole so I think some of the

topics that you want training on should come from a community lens as well so I

think you guys need to spend some time kind of developing what are the things

you guys need because I think we had started the conversation on training and

And part of it is structural.

The other part is what is the history behind the commission?

What are you guys actually tasked with?

I'm waiting to receive the outline you guys have developed,

but I am kind of curious of how those topics that you are receiving training on,

how you guys got to that space, and if that was a collective piece,

if it was like a survey that was sitting out to everybody,

or is the training more of what individuals wanted?

So just curious about that.

So the outline that we got was from Blake Norton, and she had adopted this outline in

a previous position with a previous department, and we just kind of took it, not that we have

to follow every single module on there.

Like I said, there are certain modules that would probably be way more important or more

interesting to those of us on the commission than others and I pointed

those out like use of force, community policing, crime prevention programs. But

that's why we need everybody to look at it and vote on it and when you get it

you can look too and if you haven't received it yet.

Yeah I'm gonna review it tonight. Again I think part of it is once you guys

understand what you guys are tasked with then you kind of develop the things you

need training on. I know most folks are newer on the board or the Commission and

I think the baseline pieces are necessary first so you need to understand

what are the things you are authorized to do what are your aspects of what you

should be looking at because I think a lot of time will be wasted if you're

getting training on stuff that you have no purview over. So I think the

foundational piece of okay what is it that you guys actually are supposed to

be doing I think that would um Miss Andreo from the city's attorney's office

might be able to and I think that's what Commissioner Sample was saying is that

he would like Audrey all to that could be our very first topic and it's right

here understanding the role of the police review Commission and I think

you start with the bare bones basics and then you develop the topics that you

guys should be voting on of what training should come next because if you

don't have a foundation of what you guys are actually have authority to do how do

do you have trainings on any of that stuff so I think you know it's an old

school saying put in the cart before the horse isn't what you guys want to do

because then you'll get training on stuff that you guys have no purview over

and now that'd be just kind of spinning your wheels so I think starting with

that basic nuts and bolts will allow you to kind of meet and then with the help

of PD OPSA then you can kind of structure your trainings on what you

should be trained on. So that's just our stance just because again you don't want

to spend time you guys have a lot of stuff to cover a lot of stuff recommendations

to do you don't want to spend time in trainings where that time could be

collaboratively used to address the issues that you guys actually have per you

over. So I think the nuts and bolts starts first and then you pick your

topics of what the training should be what they should look like and then you

can kind of set a timetable after that.

Thank you, Commissioner Korbz.

Commissioner Sample.

Yes, thank you for that.

I definitely would say if you get a chance, look at the outline,

because that kind of was what was in mind,

is starting at a very high level and then funneled down,

being able to know what's our, the first one,

understanding the role of a police review commission, period.

And then the other part, some of this,

a good chunk of it came from our work plan that says we want to look at,

you know what is the role of this this body what should we be doing and so a

lot of what we have here is kind of driven through that that lens to say

what's our role what's our purpose what's the purpose of PD what's the purpose of

your office what's the purpose of our community and then how do we as that you

know representative group bring that and then there is some pieces in there about

practices and procedures, crime and reduction strategies, goes back to that

community engagement piece. So I think once you kind of get a chance to really

look at the full, it starts with, which is why I'm asking the City Attorney's

Office, we got to start with the basics to know why we were constituted and

created before we can even figure out the rest. So definitely hear what you're

saying. Understood. And again, I think once you have that training, I think you

even if you're working at ad hocs,

you kind of send out at least a survey tool

so you have an understanding of what everybody

kind of wants that training to look like

instead of it just being like,

hey, these are the training options.

We're going through, pick five from a set of 10,

because there might be things on there

that you might need more training on

or stuff that people don't want to sit through training on.

So again, just be cognizant of one,

the forward-facingness of the commission,

And then two, the term limits for each commissioner,

because I think that's the other part.

I was on the commission before,

and I know a lot of the stuff you guys are discussing,

the stuff that we're discussing then,

been a year and something removed.

So it's like you have a lot of things

to kind of get to and address,

and definitely happy to help,

but it's like don't want to overload you with training

that isn't relevant.

So it's like get a baseline and then kind of figure out,

because you guys are taking out time of your days.

It's easy for us.

We come to work and we can develop training,

but I think if it's more intentional,

it allows us to kind of help you and support you guys

from both sides of the aisle,

and then, again, help you guys get from A to Z,

and with all the things.

I think you guys' work plan is even adjusting and adapting now.

So it's like how do we make sure everything aligns

with that adaptation as well.

Anything else?

Stay. Please stay there, Jodi.

Stay like you're my...

Okay. I like this conversation, and I think that it might make sense to just start January off with a high-level overview training of what the commission does.

We have almost half of the folks are new, so what the commission does, how we came into existence,

what we're set out to do

and maybe how the department works.

I think it makes sense to just say we're going to do that in January.

So we're starting off the year and really focused on our tasks at hand.

I definitely agree because the time flies.

It really does.

Commissioner Corbs.

So my only question would be

would that fall under training and would we have to be broken up for half and half?

Or because of its roles and responsibilities and understanding the role of a police review commission,

could that be part of our meeting and we're all here?

Because if not, then we're back at where half have to come in early

and I just don't know if we we won't even know if we could use this room then.

That's what the commission did years ago.

That's something that Jody was referencing.

The city attorney herself showed up to do the training

and introduced the commissioners, the then sitting commissioners to the role.

And it was a request that the commission made.

And then the city attorney did it.

So we don't have to be broken up.

Yeah, no, you don't have to be broken up.

So then we can do that in January.

Perfect.

I'll have to make the request.

I don't know. We're in transition. Our city attorney's left, and so we're hiring a new city attorney, and I'm not sure how the office, because the city attorney previously did the presentation. I don't know if they would want somebody of upper management to come back and do it or myself to do it. So I can't confirm that January would be the time that we'd be able to do it, but I can definitely look into it.

Okay, that would be great, and that would be great, Jody. Thank you.

Not a problem.

I do have one more comment.

MS.

Oh, yeah.

Go ahead.

Commissioner Forbes.

MS.

And I appreciate what you talked about.

Thank you, Jodi.

A lot of it, when you say, like, it's not going to be in our purview and would we really

be able to, we're going to train on it, but could we do anything about it?

You're right.

A lot of this training is just to learn.

It's not that anything that we would act upon.

And I think that's really important as the Commission to hear from the police department.

How do they do community policing?

Because I know that's been on the topic of this Commission for many, many years.

How do they, how are they compliant?

What does the police commission do about use of force?

I mean, the MEU policy, right?

They talk about that and where are those resources being deployed.

So it's not that we can really act on it, but I think people want to learn about it.

And I just wanted to clarify that.

I definitely understand that.

I just want to make sure we're all cognizant that you guys have 11 meetings, two hours each.

So if you take time out of those 11, then you're taking time out of the things that you guys have to do,

like your work plans and every part of that piece that you guys are actually tasked with.

So that was just my only caution.

It was like you have limited time, and then everything that you guys have to do off the commission, that adds to it.

So I know a lot of those reports take a long time to draft.

Usually it's two people drafting it.

So if there's additional stuff that they could be getting in these sessions, I think you use this collaborative space to the best of it.

Right, and that's why we would be doing it, you know, not every meeting, 30 minutes before, 30 minutes after,

breaking it up so we don't have quorum to make it so it's not such a heavy lift.

Well, it's just, again, just a little bit.

No, I know.

I know.

That's why we were originally talking about doing this, I think, monthly or something.

I was like, I just think that's too much.

I just want to make sure everybody's cognizant.

Like, you guys do have limited time.

Your terms are limited, so you don't want to use your time.

Just make sure you use it as efficiently as possible.

Right.

Because, again, some folks are about to phase out.

that means that whoever jumps in one is going to miss that piece of the training and then that

adoption of the work plan they're already behind the ball so it's like a just again my words are

just in caution of as we are moving forward just know every term has a time limit and then every

year you only have 11 meetings essentially to kind of work through what you need to work through

in your time as a commissioner.

No July and no December next year.

They took one away from you guys.

Faster.

We only had 10 this year as well.

We didn't have.

Don't you guys have a planning one?

We missed July and was it October or September?

Okay.

Yeah.

So it goes by fairly quickly and I think that the speed and rate of it makes it to where

the elects are heavily relying on you guys to make the recommendations and every year if we're not

following that timeline it means that the recommendation gets pushed back and then

somebody is new on the commission then they have to kind of so just want to make sure you guys are

supported in you know your tenure here so thank you um i commissioner sample has a question or

comment yeah it's a general question anybody can answer this i i guess i'm trying to and i'm going

back to my own school board hat for a minute. What keeps us from just

having this quarterly as part of just our meeting where we could have a module,

we call it in my world a study session where we're gonna have a 20-minute study

session on this item, the whole board is there, the whole Commission is there, we

hear it and then we visit it next quarter and it just you know in my world

again our ethics training we just do it every year and folks come on and off but eventually in

their term they're going to go through the module at some point in their quarter time there do we

have to do it on the bookends or could we just intentionally agendize and schedule for it to be

you know I call it our lighter months because you know we do have those heavy months but then

Honestly, folks, we also have those times where we're like,

we've got three items on the agenda,

and we're going to be out of here in an hour.

Could we be intentional about planning those times

and using that time also to do what I think is also very important work?

Yeah, Adrielle.

I was just going to add the benefit of doing it in an agendized meeting.

It's recorded, and if somebody new comes on,

you can send them the video and the recording,

and they can educate themselves.

like the city attorney's first training, it's recorded. It's somewhere in the archives.

So it wouldn't be any new additional information that would be given.

What was the reason we couldn't do that? We had to separate us. What was the reason?

I didn't make that. I was asking Commissioner Zapp. I think the question was asked.

I think there was a substitute city attorney who said something.

Yeah, and that's why this whole discussion has come up about splitting time.

Well, I think the question was asked if we had to be in a meeting.

I said, well, no, but this is how you'd have to do it.

If you didn't want to be inside of a meeting, but there's no reason you can't be in a meeting.

Oh, well, then this.

Jason, we're done.

Oh, my gosh.

Okay.

Thank you.

Okay.

Thank you, Jody.

All right.

Another call.

Appreciate you.

All right. So it looks like we don't have to pass a motion or anything on this item, which is good.

So thank you, commissioners and city clerk. We'll move on to the next.

If you did want to bring it back, I don't know, because that was part of what you mentioned,

Commissioner Korbs, bringing it back to discuss later on.

You would need to make a motion to bring it back.

Are you tabling this item?

I thought we were requesting the city attorney.

We requested the training in January.

And then in terms of how we schedule the other things out, I think we'll bring that back to another, probably to the January meeting.

So this document is coming back?

Yes.

Okay.

And do we need to request you or someone from the city attorney's office to come in January and give us a training on understanding the role of the police review commission?

Yeah, I think you guys already made that request.

I'm just saying for the actual document, if you want it to come back like we continued the follow-up log, we could do the same thing here.

Okay, so do we need a motion?

Yeah.

Okay.

Currently, this item is agendized to discuss this draft outline and to take a motion approving the orientation and training outline and forwarding the outline as a recommendation to be added to the commission's 2025 annual report.

Now, that doesn't require you to, for anyone to actually make a motion.

It's just what it was agendized to do as the recommendation from the chair.

So we need a motion to carry it over to the next meeting.

Okay, can I get a motion then?

I'll make that motion that we carry this over to the next meeting with one little small nuance that I would like to have,

or would like to request, excuse me, OPSC to also just take a review of this and provide any feedback or comments they may have.

Perfect. Can I get a second?

Second that.

Thank you, Commissioner Coleman.

We had a motion from Commissioner Sample and a second Commissioner Coleman.

Clerk, can you please take the vote?

Yes, and to clarify, this is to continue this to the next meeting.

You're not approving this and adding it to the 2025 annual report yet.

Okay.

Thank you.

and I'll take the roll call vote.

Member Sample?

Aye.

Member Johnson?

Aye.

Member Coleman?

Aye.

Member Korbs?

Aye.

Member Griggs is absent.

Member, Vice Chair Buenrostro is absent.

Member Giannullis?

Aye.

Oh, Member Lewis?

Aye.

Member Brookins is absent.

Member Espinosa-Salazar?

Aye.

And Chair Carter-Martinez?

Aye.

Thank you.

The motion passes.

All right.

Thank you.

The next item is staff and commissioner comments.

Are there any commissioners who wish to speak?

I do.

Two things.

First, I would like to welcome our newest commissioner, Commissioner Jean-Louis.

I'm going to say your name in Spanish even though it's not Spanish.

Jean-Louis.

Jean-Louis.

Okay.

What I'd like to do is if we could introduce ourselves, maybe say what our day job is and what neighborhood we live in.

And I would love to get to know you.

And we'll start with Commissioner Espinosa-Salazar.

I'm a part of District 1.

I live in, like, the Norwood area.

And then I am a student full-time.

How about?

Yeah, absolutely.

Oh, I'm good. Can you hear me? So thank you for having me today. I'm really excited to

be part of this group. I just am intently just listening to you all and I can't wait

to learn more. And I think the idea is brought forward today about, you know, educating like

if onboarding, it'd be great to just know more coming in.

And I've heard a lot tonight.

I'm excited to learn more.

I'm excited to be part of an ad hoc committee.

And so thank you.

And I'm going to be asking a lot of questions,

so I hope that's okay.

I'm Commissioner Jeanine Lewis.

I'm District 8.

I live in Meadowview,

and I run a marketing and design business.

Commissioner Carter-Martinez,

And my day job, I'm the organizing director of a labor union, the California Faculty Association, and I live in Oak Park.

Commissioner Korbs.

Sorry.

My day job, I am an account manager for a biotech company.

And I represent District 4 with Phil Pluckebaum.

Larry Coleman.

I live in Atomas, and I'm a flight medic at Travis Air Force Base, and also on the civilian side, I work for New York Life.

I'm John Johnson, District 2, and just welcome.

Good to have you with us on today.

I'm a full-time pastor, so I'm just looking forward to working with you.

Welcome, Jason Sample, represent District 1.

Day job as superintendent of Gateway Community Charter Schools here in Sacramento.

Welcome, and we look forward to having your input and expertise as part of our commission.

Thank you so much.

Glad to have you here.

I believe it's next month, Jacob correct me if I'm wrong, where we have to vote on a new

chair and vice chair. Okay. So just putting it out there next month, we'll be voting on

a new chair and vice chair for the commission. I don't necessarily want to be the chair again.

If you force me to, I will.

So we can't vote for you.

I mean, I'm not setting out to have that position. But if no one else is wanting to

do it. I did it this year and can do it again. But I just wanted to put it out there that

we will have that vote next month for Chair and Vice Chair. So think about if that's something

that you might be interested in. Commissioner Korbz.

And so are we going to be doing our ad hoc, picking our ad hoc committees in January also?

Yes.

Okay. Perfect.

Absolutely. And yes, lastly we'll be picking our new ad hoc groups in January as well.

Cool. Yeah.

When you speak of the ad hoc committees, typically is the responsibility of an ad hoc committee not only meeting but also doing some sort of educational or community event?

So that's part of the role.

We do have a group, the group that Commissioner Lewis heads up which does some of the community

outreach and events. For instance, our military equipment forum that we have to do under the

law every year. So going forward next year, though, we can create all new groups. We can

continue these groups. We really have an opening to do what we want with the ad hoc groups.

So if we want to focus a little bit more on outreach and engagement, which I would like

too that's kind of my goal for the commission is to really get the community more engaged with us

i think we can go ahead and do that so it's more regional wide subject but you it's not um it's not

district-wide it's it's more regional wide city wide correct okay got it

all right are there any other commissioners who wish to speak on commissioner comments

Commissioner Sample.

Nothing too official other than just want to wish everyone a happy holidays as well

as to our audience and our friends at SPD and our community overall.

So everyone be well, be safe, and it's been fun.

So let's keep it going.

Yeah.

I do wish everyone a happy holidays as well.

Whatever you celebrate or don't celebrate, I hope it's joyful and restorative and generous

and all of those things. So if there's no other commissioners who wish to speak that

will conclude today's agenda. Thank you everyone for your participation. The meeting is adjourned.

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