Do you have a copy of it?

Chairs, staff is ready when you are.

Thank you.

Good evening.

Welcome to the City of Sacramento Disability Advisory Commission meeting on Wednesday, November

6, 2024.

I now call this meeting to order.

My name is Moe Sumi-Crowley.

I am your chair.

At this time, I am deferring to our Vice Chair, Commissioner Sylvia Kramer, to begin our meeting.

Thank you, Chair Crowley.

Will the clerk be able to call a roll call?

Thank you, Vice Chair.

Commissioners, please unmute for roll call.

Commissioner Ellis.

Commissioner Greenbaum.

Commissioner Carr.

Absent.

Commissioner Kramer.

Present.

Commissioner Mercer.

Here.

Commissioner Smith.

Absent.

Commissioner Tucson-Boyne.

Here.

And Chair Crowley.

Present.

Thank you. We have quorum.

Thank you.

We would like to begin our next part by doing the land acknowledgement.

If you could please rise.

For the original people of this land, the Nissan people, the southern Maidu Valley, and

Plain Reewalk, Patwin, Winton people, and the people of the Wilton, Ranchería, Sacramento's

only federal relief recognized tribe.

May we acknowledge and honor the native people who came before us and still walk beside

us today on these ancestral lands by choosing to gather together today in the active practice

of acknowledgement and appreciation for Sacramento's indigenous people's history, contributions,

and lives.

Thank you.

And now will you join me in the Pledge of Allegiance?

I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for

which it stands when nation unhaggi, indivisible with liberty and justice for all.

Thank you.

Okay.

Thank you.

And now we will move on to the consent calendar.

We will need approval for the items.

First up is the approval for the commission meeting minutes.

Commissioner Chizamboy and I move to approve the minutes from our last meeting.

Thank you.

And now we have approval for the follow-up blog and we have two.

We have a.

Just to clarify that the follow-up blog has been moved to the consent calendar.

consent calendar.

Okay.

Okay.

When did that happen?

Prior to the meeting.

I printed off the agenda online and it was still under.

Can everyone hear me?

Sorry.

So at the request of city staff we are moving the follow-up blog to the consent calendar to

give more time for our agenda items.

I would respectfully request the commissioners be alerted of changes to the agenda prior

to being on the dius if that is possible.

Like even when we arrive.

That would be helpful.

Thank you.

I would ask for, we will now take a vote for approval for both items on the consent calendar.

Did we have a motion and a second for the follow-up blog?

Did we need one?

How does?

Yes.

We need one.

For the consent calendar if you are taking them both together as typically you would have

a motion and a second for the consent calendar.

I withdraw my motion to approve the consent calendar.

We will take a motion for both items.

Motion to approve the consent calendar.

Second.

That motion.

Both motions have been approved.

Just to clarify is that a motion to move the consent calendar with the follow-up blog

attached?

Yes.

That is my motion.

Both items.

Yes.

That is what I am seconding.

Okay.

This concludes the consent calendar.

Action.

I will now hand it back to Chair Crowley.

Was there a vote?

I believe we need a vote.

I believe we need a vote.

Okay.

May I give a vote?

Thank you, Vice Chair.

Yes, commissioners, please unmute for the vote on the consent calendar with the follow-up

blog added.

Commissioner Ellis?

Aye.

Commissioner Greenbaum?

Aye.

Commissioner Carr?

Absent?

Commissioner Kramer?

Aye.

Commissioner Mercer?

Aye.

Commissioner Smith?

Absent?

Commissioner Chuson-Boyd?

Abstain?

And Chair Crowley?

Aye.

Thank you, motion passes.

Okay.

So this concludes our consent calendar action.

And I will now hand it back to Chair Crowley.

And also for the record, there was no public speaker for the consent calendar or the follow-up

blog.

Thank you, everyone.

And thank you for that exercise, especially for everyone in the audience, as we start

to think about our succession plan here at the Disability Advisory Commission.

As Vice Chair Commissioner Kramer, you did an outstanding job of the first time just being

thrown in to how to get organized and move the agenda.

So thank you for doing that on short notice.

And equally to Commissioner Chuson-Boyd's point, it was important to acknowledge her view

that with that change in the way that we're presenting the agenda today, it did put the

commissioners at a disadvantage.

And so I encourage public speakers and commissioners that had things that needed to be addressed

to be part of at the end of the meeting to provide those comments so that they could

be on record.

So as we move on to the discussion calendar, I'm also changing the outline where first we'd

like to, instead of item number five, for those of you who are following along, number

five is the public review draft parking strategy and we're going to discuss that first.

Is Mr. Dodge present?

Thank you.

So while they're getting up to the podium, Mr. Ryan Dodge is the associate planner

in contact for this item.

And the recommendation is for the discussion calendar to receive a project status update

and review and comment on the public review draft parking strategy.

Mr. Dodge, when you're ready.

Yes, good evening.

Thank you, Chair Crowley.

And I just want to correct my name is Vic Randall.

So I'm here.

I'm a senior planner on the long range planning team.

I am joined by Ryan Dodge also on our long range planning team.

So Ryan has been managing the project through the most, most of the duration of the project.

He has been partially reassigned to support our public works transportation planning team.

So I'm stepping in to take the project management role through completion of this project.

Thank you, Mr. Mayor.

I'll go ahead and present tonight.

I do want to note that we're also joined tonight by Stacy Hovermail and Greg Lim from the

parking services division.

Okay, so I just wanted to start with giving a brief overview and background on the project.

So the city kicked the project off in 2023, initiating coordination across departments

and with our consultant team that's supporting the project.

Early in the project, we were able to form two working groups consisting of 12 individuals,

each, drawing on representatives from a range of organizations, commissions, neighborhoods

and interests.

One of these working groups was focused on parking policy related to residential development,

and the other was focused on non-residential development.

Now, I would very much like to thank the working group members for their time and input,

which has been invaluable as the project team has formulated the draft parking strategy

that we're discussing with you tonight.

I'd also like to thank Commissioner Crowley for representing the Disabilities Advisory

Commission on both working groups.

And I also want to note that the city hosted the first of a set, first set of community

conversations this past January, together input on preliminary recommendations.

I will be hosting a second round of parallel community conversations next week to present

and receive public comment on the draft parking strategy.

So the parking strategy is rooted in policy direction, some of which has been very recently

adopted, that's included in the city's housing element, the 2040 general plan and the

climate action and adaptation plan.

And some of the key policy goals for this work include reducing development costs to support

the provision of more housing, better managing and utilizing on-street and off-street parking

supply, supporting the development of an urban form that enables more sacraments to choose

transit and active transportation for more of their daily trips, supporting the broader

suite of policies and goals included in those key plan documents.

I want to give you a little bit of background on the project.

So this project is intended to rethink our vehicle on bicycle parking requirements in

sacraments.

Focus points of the strategy include expanding the application of parking maximums throughout

the central city and along transit corridors, continuing to improve the parking service

divisions exceptional management of parking in the city through the development of a parking

management toolkit, and increasing bike parking requirements in new developments to support

the projected increase in the number of trips made by bicycle and sacramental.

So the parking strategy includes five key approaches to better manage the vehicle parking.

These include establishing new maximums and two zones, which are the central city and

areas within one half mile of high frequency transit stop.

These two districts are shown in the map that's included in this slide.

Also includes establishing criteria that would allow projects to exceed maximums where

deemed necessary.

Typically this would require including that additional parking above the allowed maximum

be publicly accessible spaces.

Strategies also include mandating that parking spaces beyond bundled and sold separately from

rental or purchase of residential units.

This can reduce the cost of housing for residents that choose not to on a car with lower

lease and sales costs expected to encourage households with fewer vehicles to locate

these units because of their increased affordability.

Enabling the city to require shared parking outside of transit corridors will give the

parking services division added flexibility to manage parking supply in certain limited

cases where there's a demonstrated need for shared parking.

And the fifth recommendation is to update EV and disabled parking requirements.

And the key goal will be to reflect updated public right away accessibility guidelines to

ensure that adequate disabled spaces are provided.

So current bike parking requirements and sacramento are low compared to other cities and

only consider conventional bicycles.

The parking strategy includes a recommendation to increase requirements for bike parking

in new development.

And these requirements will include adaptive bicycles, cargo bikes and other new bicycle

types and also support improved comfort and maneuvering areas within new bicycle parking.

And the third key piece is the parking management toolkit.

And the parking management toolkit includes seven key recommendations, including updating

the residential parking permit program, evaluating and expanding the supplemental permit permit

program, expanding and evolving the SAP park meter program, expanding permit offerings

and programs broadly, re-investing in parking enforcement services, expanding on street

car share parking and advancing the implementation of context sensitive mobility hubs.

And so the next steps for the project include the community conversations that will host next

week.

So Wednesday morning on November 13th and then Thursday November 14th at 5.30 in the evening

we'll have community conversations.

There'll be parallel conversations with community but one hold those at different times of

day to enable folks coming from different perspectives.

Those coming from a work perspective can come during the day for folks who are coming

from a personal perspective can attend the evening session.

And we'll cover the same material, walk folks through the public review draft parking strategy

ensure folks are aware of how they can comment on the strategy and ensure that we collect

their interest and concerns as we formulate our final draft.

And we'll be accepting comments on the public review draft through December 2nd.

At that time we'll take the input received from commissions and the public to guide revisions

as we prepare the final draft parking strategy.

We'll then take the final draft parking strategy to the Active Transportation Commission planning

and design commission and city council for review in early 2025.

And then we would prepare implementing revisions to the Sacramento City Code later in 2025 following

strategy approval.

And just want to note that the city has made the draft parking strategy available for public

comment directly in the document via the online community workshop.

And this can be accessed through the project website which is listed here that cityofsacrimeno.org

backslash parking dash revisions.

So again the city will close our public review public comment period on December 2nd.

The public can still submit comments but at that point we will, the staff team will review

all the comments received at that point and start to formulate our final draft strategy.

And with that I would like to invite commissioners and interested members of the public to

reach us by mail or email at the address is listed here.

And to note that the public reviewed draft strategy and other project background and documents

are available on the project website.

And I would like to thank the commission for your time and attention.

The staff team are available to answer any questions you might have and we would welcome

having any, hearing any recommendations or concerns that the commission would like

the city to consider as we finalize the parking strategy.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Thank you chair.

Yes we have one speaker for the side of Alan.

Good evening and thanks for the presentation and hello to all of you.

Thank you for all you do each and every day and the city staff is supporting you.

This commission has in the past not been able to read e-comments here and sometimes they

have so I don't know what the current rule is.

And I'm not going to read e-comments today.

I'm pretty confident that the commissioners are aware of e-comments made on this.

I would like to suggest to the presenters that in case the public comments don't include

the current e-comments out there.

Please go read those.

There's some relevance there and it could help with speed this process along for your future

presentations.

If you already addressed them.

Again thanks and it's good to see you all.

Thank you.

Are there any commissioners who?

Sorry I was muted thank you again.

Any commissioners who would like to speak on this item?

Yes.

Commissioner Mercer.

Okay.

Thank you.

So I see consideration over on bicycle parking.

One of the issues that comes up and going over and trying to use the side entry handicap fan

over in the city is the placement of bicycle parking and one thing that's not even mentioned

in here is scooter parking over in front of the Sawyer in particular.

That is a particularly bad placement of scooter parking that prevents that being used as a drop

off spot.

I think that this need needs to be going over and looking at because that's a serious issue.

Thank you.

Commissioner Tucson-Boyd.

I'm wondering if you could explain to us how you actually look at this document.

I could go to the website and it took me to what looks like a platform but I can't figure

out how to read the draft document on here.

This is a guided tour and full document and there's a bunch of little icons.

Can you give me a little bit of information on how to actually read it?

Yeah.

So yeah.

I think I'll need to let me pull it up and just take a look myself.

And then my second question is my concern is that this is an interactive platform and

I'm not sure if it's accessible.

I see it does have a high contrast option but our people with screen readers able to make

notations is that translatable?

I'd like a little bit more information about that as well.

Thank you.

Yeah.

So just within the online community workshop there is a full screen arrow that enables you

to expand the document to a full screen and then you're able to scroll through the document

and as you review you're able to leave comments directly in the document.

And I apologize.

I probably could have taken another step to bake in a demonstration into my presentation.

As far as the accessibility of the reader itself that is a question I don't have the answer

tough of mind.

And so that's something I would have to look into and report back to the commission.

So I apologize that I don't have that information in hand.

Okay.

Now I would just say that it took me a few minutes to figure out where to expand the screen.

So this platform is not intuitive for your non-probably developer user.

So I think how to some information on how to would be useful for all members of the public

and in order to access and give you guys some feedback.

Thank you.

Any other commissioners wish to comment on this item?

This is a receive and file.

So I just wanted to add to the comments and questions that were posed.

It was a very detailed and elaborate working group.

So that model really engaged different community members.

I think on average the working group on anything that I attended had at least 15 people

that attended if not more and would fade off.

So there was a lot of stakeholder engagement.

And so I just wanted to give that positive feedback as well.

Thank you.

With nothing further we're going to move on to the next item which is listed on the agenda

for the public who's following item three.

Review of draft city of Sacramento Disability Advisory Commission 2024 annual report and

2025 work plan.

Mr. Jesse Gotham is going to be presenting.

And the recommendation for the DAC is to review and provide feedback on the attached draft

city of Sacramento Disability Advisory Commission 2024 annual report and the 2025 work plan.

Mr. Gotham when you're ready.

Yep and thank you and if Doug if you can share my screen.

Perfect.

So we had a robust discussion in September and I received quite a bit of feedback on the

draft annual report and the work plan items to focus on for 2025.

So I appreciate everyone's input.

I went through the meeting and worked on revisions to the document.

And actually at this time I'm going to invite Stephanie Sayez.

Stephanie would you come down and just join me at the desk here.

Stephanie while she's coming up Stephanie works on getting all of our reports for the commission.

Through the review process published on the agenda in coordination with the clerk's office.

So she has quite a bit of work behind the scenes for the commission and she has agreed to help me work on the annual report and

to document the changes and edits tonight and take some of the some of the pressure off me.

So I really appreciate Stephanie being here.

So that's her that's her role in supporting the commission.

So with that I would just like to go through the items in the report and to discuss a few.

We want to discuss the recommendations discuss the work plan items for for 2025.

So just and then my intent is that I can bring this back in December for approval.

And so I hope you were able to take a look at the report.

I did my best to send out a draft.

I know it was published as part of the posting.

And so we want to just kind of roll up our sleeves and do some of the do some of the edits tonight.

And then I can work with an assigned commissioner.

And I would say ad hoc's I'm not sure where we're at with ad hoc's.

I'll defer that to the city attorney in the clerk's office.

If that's the desire of the commission.

I know it worked really well last year.

I worked with commissioner to some boy done kind of revising it and really got it to a place that her and the chair and the commission got good support.

I can I can certainly work with chair Crowley.

As we've done we met and went over the message to the commission.

Also the recommendations for 20.5 had a very productive meeting.

So that's what's captured in this current draft.

And I will be joined by a certain staff that have the background and knowledge on some of the work plan items.

And I'll introduce them as as we get to that.

So just scrolling through I know the preamble talks about the establishment of the commissioners and the staff.

It could be some minor edits there.

I'll get it right for the December meeting.

If you've noticed anything, I think Brandy caught some some errors.

Be certainly flag and let me know.

I know I ran a foul the clerk's office with the listing of staff.

So I need to make some edits next time on that portion of it.

And purpose powers and duties those are all established in the city code.

And I think we had a great discussion in September regarding that.

And we also had a good discussion on the message from the DAC to the city council.

And so this was just a series of statements that I included after listing to the meeting in September.

And then Mo and I met.

Subscor after that meeting just to kind of go over there.

So maybe we'll pause here first and just go over the message from the DAC.

And see if there's any comments on that before moving on.

Well, I'll start just because it's some of the transcription.

And my personal view is that it's succinct and it brings the message that as the chair,

but as the transitional chair for making sure that we are one of the first to present our plan on time.

Having been a commission that was greatly affected by things not being timely.

That no one would no one would read this document and suggest that it's not a timely message.

And that there is the theme as I discussed last meeting is to have a document that shows items that are a concern to all commissions,

all areas of citizenship of the city and show how valuable it is to have financial presence in discussions.

That was discussed from my perspective.

And I thought that by the way that it has been singular statements,

there's room for us tonight to decide if this is the,

I would encourage us to keep the format as the singular statements so that when it's read,

if we have something that is not capturing the sentiments of the last meeting and the discussion thereof,

and need to be added, that we can, can's dense it into this message.

So it's the introduction of what we as an advisory body would have to say.

And then the rest of those details, I thought that the staff with Jessie's leadership did a good job of really capturing and summarizing so that the rudimentary nature of going into a link on the website to then listen to a meeting does not have to happen in order to have quality.

So that's my opinion of how this sets the tone for the rest of the document.

So with that, with that commissioner Tucson boy for discussion.

So I just have a question on the for lack of a better term bullet down where you say we appreciate city staff noting that all public works project meetings or hell them facilities.

Can that not be public works specific and just be public meetings because my hope is that all city sponsored meetings and meant to engage the public are accessible and highlighting that in the meeting notices would be useful across the board.

So that's really my only comment on this section is not not just putting public works in the spotlight, but any other public meeting.

Thank you other commissioners.

And this is a working discussion.

So what we had in September, it's not the formality of the clerk calling for a roll call.

We're just verbalizing for the record and with each other.

I have no problem with that.

I mean, it could just be you know, heavy on public works because the third bullet said public works.

I mean, you know, it's we're editing right now.

So commissioner Mercer.

We can we can we step through it.

Can we just step through the document page by page.

Okay, yeah.

Thank you.

Thanks commissioner.

Commissioner Ellis.

Yeah, I just wanted to echo commissioner to some way.

I think the way I looked at this initial messages being someone new on the commission is, you know, this is kind of the introductory to the commission in a way.

It's something that folks who are thinking about applying to the commission might look at and seeing what does this commission do.

And you know, kind of also then setting the other is to the larger public.

You know, what does this commission do?

And I think it kind of, you know, sends a positive message in certain ways, but also has that critique for the city that we need that we're here for.

And I would I didn't even think about the being just, I mean, the commission is public works focus, but I think to commissioner to some boy's point, I think being a little more.

Broad is is not about things.

So I agree.

So thank you.

Thank you commissioner Ellis.

And for the spirit of the nature of this part of our calendar discussion calendar, we can all unmute and just trust me to redirect it if we need to.

The other thought commissioner Ellis, if I can interject to is, you know, if the if the staff assigned to our commission is.

The arts, what's the staff parking, you know, I think the sentiment here is that the generality by being a disability advisory commission, we have a universal role.

And that's the theme of making sure that when it's not a specific item, as we'll read throughout the rest of the document, other than, you know,

we're inviting our universality of application of our recommendations when it comes to council or in public forums.

There's no other edits or like I said, if everyone wants to unmute while Mr. Goath and we'll go through this page by page, we can be efficient and do real live edits as was discussed at the last meeting.

Just to make sure that our newer commissioners are aware that this commission does review not just public works and that the ordinance says programs and projects and policies.

So spotlighting public works projects and that upper section is great because we do work hand in hand with them and a lot of those whether it's the perspective plan or actual improvements or but there are other areas that we should be engaging with city staff.

So I made it edit so not just public but the city is delivering. Yeah, it's actually just like the parking management. Yeah.

Any other discussion on page five of 19.

Any reorganizing of paragraphs or statements, any particular anyone have a strong opinion on the order of the sentences.

My only and thought only order was and I'm kind of now is I'm really doing it.

My initial thought was having the appreciate paragraphs towards at the end, but I now that I know that I actually look at it, I like that there's a kind of something at the end though that brings everything together as well.

I guess I'm just kind of now thinking out loud, but at first it it seemed a little abrupt I guess to me.

You know, I mean parking passes and yes, it's it's important and the city knowing that we appreciate their support.

I'm just wondering if maybe it can be concise and somewhere one pair. I don't know.

So what I hear commissioner Greenbaum saying is that is there an opinion for all the commissioners to change from sentence structure to paragraph and the second thing I heard you say is to have the sentences reordered.

You are considering that so that the initial impact of the first when presented to the counselor or somebody reading it that the sequence would be different and to that I do have an opinion now that we're discussing it.

So what I see is that you know from grade school, we say what we're going to say, we say it and then we're going to say it again.

And what I see is, you know, we start with an appreciation, we end with an appreciation. Those can be reordered.

And then just as a reminder on the point about the parking ticket and stipends and such, it's to gently in a creative way or an artistic way to say that there's money involved.

That needs to be allocated. So don't forget that there's we are volunteers, but then there needs to be some adjustments to parking fees or cost of goods or whatever was discussed.

And I thought the senses don't need to be rewritten, but I do agree that perhaps just we appreciate this city staff noting all public meetings as maybe the intro and it ends with some other change of word we continue to appreciate.

I mean those are just little things and if we could round out this page, this particular page for artistic reasons and a unified expression, any other comments for how we can no-tate staff to kind of help us.

I would say financial support of the Tim Haley Awards because we could, you know, in theory support them, but I know that some staff time and resources went into providing what we gave away. It gave out last this last time.

Anything else commissioners? Yeah. We appreciate the stay staff noting that all public meetings are held in facilities that meet accessibility requirements and are friendly and welcoming to those who may need assistance.

Considering that we're asking them to go over and fix that door situation, nothing personal just. I think that sort of sets the wrong tone.

So something I understand where you're coming from. So something to the effect of continuing to improve or continuing to modernize.

Some some version of that we appreciate city staff continuing to modernize all public meetings.

And making corrections.

Well, I mean, you know, one thing that has come up in our discussions too and I don't know if it's come up on the record, but while I appreciate that there's a sign that's posted that says if you need assistance with these doors.

I'm going to ask for security for help, but that's a very ableist method of conveying that message to the person coming to any public meeting here.

So assuming that somebody can read it, that they can see it.

And what Commissioner Boyd is is room for language that what the two commissioners just are noting is to expand the vocabulary for the same sentiment, but to include modernization as a continuing process.

And to allow the.

Yeah, accessibility is something that is.

I'm sorry, my brain.

That changes over time and I'm the words not coming to me that it's an evolving process.

Evolution.

Yeah, this is something that's evolved in fluid.

And fluid improvements of.

Because corrections becomes good, bad, right, wrong, and that's not appropriate.

And to Commissioner Tucson Boyd's point, we don't want.

What we do want from a positive message that says there's inclusivity, there's.

Support for independence and participation, something along those themes that keeps the sickness of.

What's being discussed there related to the Tim Haley words, but.

Well, there we are. It's already highlighted. Sorry about that everyone.

The public meetings and the facilities, maybe the word assistance isn't the right word, but to encourage independence and participation, maybe a better.

Reflection of what a stakeholder would want.

And so I encourage those who are here present to give comment at the end of the meeting for items not on the agenda.

Maybe the next one minute and then we'll close this out.

And so something I was going to mention in a different.

A different item and I'll say it again.

There is that accessibility is not just the physical plant.

And so I think those of us up here use accessibility and inclusion interchangeably.

And we mean inclusion when we say accessibility.

But there's a lot of emphasis in this report on accessibility being a door.

So it's a very hard cut, an audible signal and accessibility goes beyond that.

So I think that's probably what we're shooting for in that paragraph.

Oh, I see.

I may email you, but yeah.

And for purposes of why the details of this draft commissioners have any suggestions on what commission to son boy, that is discussing.

That the word accessibility might be presented for someone reading it not knowing the nuance of it.

So any word.

Any words to share.

Inclusivity.

The artist real come from the staff and we appreciate it greatly.

But this will we need some bullet points so that it can be edited.

And the intent now then as I close out this discussion of this page then Mr. Goathen is I think captured degree.

Sounds good.

So we'll move on to this was brought up as an idea for each of the commissioners to share our reasons why.

I got responses from vice chair Kramer commissioner Mercer and commissioner power she emailed me yesterday and then commissioner green bomb.

So I was able to get that in.

And so if the if everyone else can provide I think it is a nice personal touch.

The concern this is your message to the city council and if that's something everyone wants to do but this this is what I came up with in my.

And just as a reminder for those who are present today and will be listening to the recording this was also intended so that if the commissioners couldn't come as a full body to when it's being presented that they're represented in some format.

And the visual on that is exactly what.

What Mr. Goathen just said think.

So I guess maybe just is this something we want to include in the annual port and then if so please please follow up with.

Yeah maybe the people that suggested it should give you their their why guilty.

I think it's a great addition.

It's very impactful.

Yeah.

And also you know please hopefully everyone's getting my emails so I always you know we know how email things can get lost so please let me know if you're not getting my emails.

Is it customary to not include the staff or the clerk's office and Mr. Dale and all that.

Oh yeah.

If nothing else as a picture in a name or is it.

No I think yeah I think city staff will you know that's not only that's appropriate.

Okay I just thrown it out there because we're all here.

Is there any staff that really wants their picture in our report.

We're getting there.

I don't see anybody jumping up in there.

We're grateful for everyone's help for helping us get through these things yet.

Well with that let's so there's I think there's two two big two the next two big items are the recommendations to the city council.

And then the work plan for 2025 and it was also brought up a review of past recommendations and so those are captured so maybe what order.

What order do you want to take those in.

Open discussion.

There's three so there's there's the recommendations the the new recommendations were part of the 2024 report.

There was two key ones.

Then there was the review of past recommendations and then there's the work plan items and I think the work plan items.

There's a lot there.

The recommendations there's two there's some discussion there.

And then I think then there's just the status review of past recommendations.

So so maybe we can take them just in the order they are in the report or is there preference.

I may I suggest that we do review of past recommendations because in my view.

I think there should be more recommendations for this year and they are born out of what we recommended last year.

I would second that.

No vote needed.

I agree that after seeing our picture and our faces it personalizes what was done before so there's you know the first two three pages are all all the people involved.

And so to then say so here's where that was that was my tendency during our meeting also is to review the accomplished it'll be nice to see a review of the history that will ultimately lead to new.

So in my opinion I was suggesting we review the past do the work plan and then end with the new thing so that the last the last thing that someone who is droning some someone back here who's listening.

Saw what we had to say can relate to us personally heard some version what is it 80% is lost and everything is nonverbal communication and when they glance at the end of the report it's like oh.

That last pages what we need to focus on that's an idea I failed to mention the accomplishments right so we should review that but.

So yeah my my mistake is I guess there's four key items for key items yeah anyone else.

Order of order things we start before we have guess.

So under past recommendations something that I want to express about information's included in this draft report that is pretty consistent for the items that I consider for not met is new information to me as a

member that's never been presented to me before communicated to me before in this report so one being the ADA coordinator position there's a great explanation why nothing happened with that recommendation but I find it very concerning that I'm I'm getting that information in this draft report and I also don't find that explanation acceptable so I don't know like you know this goes to what I said in the

previous section accessibility is not just the physical plant and inviting other people in the city to bring their programs and projects to us sounds very Lucy goosey and I really thought that that the city's intent was to drive home the message that if the work of the deck is meaningful and taken seriously that the letter of the ordinance was being

followed across the board and I'm not saying we see every single thing but to me it just sounds like oh you know if you want to come you can come reach out to our staff and we'll do the presentation I also don't think it should be hold into our staff who's got a very focused area of expertise to be

like soliciting constantly from other areas like it should be part of the culture of the city if we truly believe that we're

diverse and embrace equity and inclusion accessibility is a big part of that and that is our role and that's where a lot of those recommendations last year were based so there's this one with ADA coordinator it's not just about projects we know our people we hear from you we get

we get your your presentations we give you our feedback I feel that you hear us and incorporate that in all areas of the projects of public works has a hand in I don't still get that sense from other areas of the city HR has come to us and that's great but that I would say that probably

want to accomplish in this last year where that that came I think it was a little bit more organically based on some of our some of this work the other recommendations around the training and I know getting down onto the next page and the race and gender equity plan the

PMP directed city staff to share those recommendations with the race and equity committee of the city council so that's one I don't believe that ever happened so that should be noted and two we're including plans for presentation in December and

obviously we will have time to maybe revise something in there after that but you know I don't know the staff have an idea or a sense what that interaction in December will be will that be like we shared your recommendations with the committee or I'm here to see how I can work with the deck because we've already had that person here before and we've

already talked to them and that's where it stopped that's why these other recommendations were in the report so can I go and chime in over on that ADA coordinated thing the commissioner sir can we pause for just a

minute so I can bullet points and items and then so what I heard commissioner Tucson boy say is that for reviewing past accomplishments recommendations not

sorry past thank you reviewing past recommendations to revisit and strengthen the recommendation of the ADA coordinator position as one the importance of following the ordinance as written

and the third being the role of the P and P in presenting were those the three head headings of this before commissioner mercer adds to what you were discussing I don't know if it's the role of the P and P but like we take this report to them and then they

are acted with us and give it some feedback and some you know pointed questions to city staff if we those were their recall right and some direction to staff that that wasn't our staff that was city staff you know

like they said this needs to go to the racial and equity committee and that is not the same thing as a staff member coming and talking to us in December so if that staff

is going to tell me that that did go the committee and the committee approved it now everybody on city councils had this training then then that not only is something a recommendation that's met but that's also an

accomplishment so but I'm assuming you have an idea whether or not that message that I had a meeting with the staff for the racial and equity committee after the annual

report was approved last year they wanted to present to you again and that's when we scheduled them to come this year unfortunately

IME was not IME was not available to come tonight so I've reached out and requested that she come to the December as to as you're having a sense and this sort of thing I

really just wanted to further her on that okay so the assumption is because I don't think it's ever been on the racial equity committee we haven't been invited there so none of those things actually happened I don't I don't think they've incorporated that training so again those from my perspective as a

member we continue to be recommendations that we might get a report and she might say something along those lines but as far as we know those things haven't happened and so the the status that we're getting

report is not an actual status in regards to the specific recommendations that I heard the PMP members say yes absolutely we should incorporate this training and our

I see I see and it needs to go to the committee that committee to that decide and they were developing their training plan like the next meeting and I'm going to assume that that didn't happen right because that would be part of the status

okay okay are all the commissioners who are new understanding what the discussion is right now that the recommendation from the previous letter that was submitted last year has some things that need to be restated as not completed and that it's the position that's being suggested that we express that it's not acceptable to pass the same recommendation with an action that was to be taken in 2024

this review portion is saying it action was not taken despite the recommendation that was already submitted nor is it acceptable to continue to move things through committees with no further follow-up and action in summary there's some details that the city staff are aware of but just to make sure that without having to recall all of that material

that's where commissioner mercer is going to pick up if if if commissioner to son void is satisfied with the summary okay so you're done with four and we're going back to one

88 coordinator status okay that's that sounds very weird that we're saying oh this is the reason why it didn't happen I know you as staff are explaining to us that's why I don't think that's appropriate for us to be going over and saying well this is the reason why it has to be

and why it hasn't happened I would take out it's the position of the city that items pertaining to accessibility are delivered by the public works and engineering division we could say something like it may be the position of the city that this should happen but we feel that this that are original proposal that was over in last year's plan needs to happen

so that would be moving that forward as a as a continued recommendation for members of the PMP also supported a citywide 88 coordinator position are made sounds like they did so when this says the position of the city is this like who is that I know it's not you so I think and I think this goes to something that the clerk's office in terms of procedure brought to me so when commissions make recommendations

there's a there's some steps that it goes through in terms of the city manager and the city council so maybe Mr. Gail if maybe are you up to are you

are you able to address that like just in general if I am not you're not okay that would be a question I don't know the clerk has an answer to that but yes the steps as as they've been explained to us is that we do an annual report

yes we make recommendations that goes to the PMP which is a subcommittee of the full council it's three or four city council members they have their say and they either accept it

and it just goes to the council on consent calendar which it did but they also gave direction which the PMP has the authority to do as a group of city council members so I believe we followed the procedure it just didn't I mean

and there may have been decisions made over in the budget making process that involve that but there's no sense in I'm not going to say I don't feel comfortable having that rationale there because that's not something that I believe is commissioner I don't know maybe there well I don't think the city council discuss this and say we're good with public work handling all this stuff I don't get that impression

well and to the point that the two commissioners are discussing right now what what's important for us to accomplish is that with that being recorded and said and context being summarized for the new commissioners and for the public that's present I want to go back to Commissioner Mercer's comment

can you for the clarity of people who are following along in the recording and here in person which one is the part that is not sitting well with you in terms of the engineering could you

it is second paragraph yeah it is this that second sentence it is the position of the city so what I hear commissioner Mercer saying is that for our presentation of this report not to include what our assumptions are rather to just stick with a recount of the past yeah and not make assumptions of what we interpret but to leave it so that we can if posed if this is what we can do is not

if posed if this document is held to us as a standard it's uncomfortable for commissioner Mercer I and I back this up that if we just deleted it doesn't change the impact of what that status update is and in fact would allow us to be more generic in our response so that when there's subtleties of things that we recommend that are being deviated for procedural reasons that are out of our commissioner control that we can look back and start to develop what we've never had as a commission a recount of what we've never had as a commission

a recount of report after report after report is saying this is not done I think that's a good way to approach the document well and I think it you know it's not part of the annual report to include a review of the past recommendations right so we've included it so maybe the status should actually belong in the staff report under the staff analysis that's way it's not part of the commission's report maybe there's maybe there's something there

but I have a comment on that because that's not your status our staff does not decide this this recommendation so how are you going to do a report because then that tells me that this answer is not from you it's from the clerk's office which is also not from the council so I mean and also to my recommendation would be even if we didn't have this as past recommendations would be it's a recommendation for this year because it wasn't that and didn't go further in discussion after the report

and discussion after the PMP and the point also that I think we want to zero in on is even if it hasn't been done in the past the tone the reason we spent so much time on page five was that the tone of this commission and this makeup is the first time that we are actually on time and we are following procedure there's no reason to defer to the clerk or the city attorney or anybody because this is where we are as a commission at this point in time so even if a new commissioner comes in it's not up to the city clerk

or the records online a person could take a seat read the report and realize and pick up what the good works are so to that extent it's not that I don't believe from last meeting till now people want to remove a review because it puts context into what's new so that there can be a commission based voice that's not encrypted in the procedural aspects of the city's procedure

procedures so yeah like you're saying more detail up there Jesse I don't think or Mr. Gothen sorry I don't think it needs more detail I think and that portion of it could be in the staffer but I think we need to say this has not been met and it is the will of the commission in some way that we need to convey it's a will of commission that that

has stated over in the prior years report that this happened in terms of him commissioner Colle you're saying as in terms of like responding to this as a new as a remeckermondation perhaps in taking perhaps what I mean again we don't want to read in or assume essentially what what this what you know the meaning behind it when I when I read the status I think well perhaps then our

response in terms of recommendation is using a word like lyus in rather that that that can work then with the engineering services division and and that's just me coming from a place of okay it well why hasn't it been

established well perhaps then this is our you know constructive feedback as to perhaps taking taking into account perhaps what what that means and

I have a feeling that it probably means that that person is in the engineering services but it still doesn't accomplish the the goal of providing a path which perhaps that can be more of a

person. So what I'm hearing is a theme from the beginning that the commissioners are summarizing that focusing in on the engineering public works is starting to

narrow the comment trying to be expressed in the report it could be true if so there there may be the staff report but it shouldn't be the

reflection of our words at the beginning of it so for example that same if you took that whole thing out it is the position of the city et

cetera et cetera and staffing and it ends with commission reviews those two sentences if those two sentences are the staff's

reflection of a summary in their section it's one thing but we but it's taking away from the the the Dex universal comments so

like hearing that right everyone yeah over that one well the city supports other departments to bring department

activities to the DAC as they arise we do not feel that this is sufficient who is that while the city who

is that yeah where did that come from well that's not something we've discussed yeah and maybe just can staff answer that where did

that verbiage come from well I can I want to be before the staff and let me take the heat off the staff it take the heat off the

staff so this is a draft no I know that but I don't know yes yes type type time out I want all mics open so that we can

be in the spirit of what we're saying but what we what I am saying is that the audience here and I'm not in English major so for all of the people that are

listening and we'll give comment e comments are welcome but it's intended the city we're intending for the audience who's reading it to

acknowledge that they're responsible so the entire theme of this is what's our voice who's involved with this voice what's our voice

where the current ones and for the the semantics of the status and whatnot what I'm hearing is not so much the minutia of that it's of of what was the track

edit is that it's removed it's the importance of staff to reflect on our behalf there's still no coordinator position and history of the people who know what's going on is it's been shuffled away into other sort of roles defined by city processes so the friction in the word city is not reflective of us

so what can us as commissioners give as some edits because that's the intention of this being on the agenda of rewording it so that it is our voice the city's the staff's got to write what they got to write anyway and follow procedure and thank goodness that's not our voluntary role but we want to what I'm seeing is that the discussion has led to finding the voice of the deck amidst what the staff has to include as part of their job in other areas

that's what I'm hearing so however we're here to discuss it so that the tone of these specific things that we're sharing staff can take away with and have that entire theme reflected of us so that when December comes the role that Sylvie and I want to ensure is that there's a document that we've discussed thoroughly enough in theme that if we have to take another hour and a half or two hours next meeting then that'll be prioritized so that we vote on it right

so what would be on this item which is important that everyone agrees that this didn't happen what would be another phrasing and if everyone could just give that phrasing I think we can yes ma'am no phrasing is necessary this is the DAX report yeah

to city council to the city council it's our report to the council so that's why I'm asking where this message comes from because

so a member of the DAX it hasn't happened nobody's explained explain to us here why it hasn't happened we have nothing to report other than it hasn't happened

per our last meeting so I think it hasn't one sentence is good enough because that's because it's our report and there's other things in this report that are interesting and great I would have liked to know about them before we came here but it's not part of our report

it's something else that we should know about but we didn't know about it so why are we reporting it out in our report when it was never presented to us so this is just an example of that yeah exactly we're using an example and for members of the public and others who are listening what happened at the last meeting is that we were clear that this was going to be a working meeting so that's that's the nature of the discussion that's happening right now so again I encourage those who are taking notes or want to give e comment and such they will be looked at

but for our purposes are there commissioners that agree with what the summary is that commissioner Tucson boy just mentioned because this is one example of what we're trying to edit tonight I think we do need to have a specific ask

saying we believe this should be a step it's going to be in our recommendations for 2024 okay right

we're just going to re-recommend it and that's kind of why I was going to be right like just cut out all the other stuff and just re-recommended didn't happen I always believe in it

okay so we're going to end that in the month sure thanks just like please no that was very effective like this is a good discussion yeah

this is civic duty at work everyone and a lot of this status was me listening to the September meeting and then may try to make sense of it all right

so anyway so now I I appreciate the discussion so other past recommendations we talked about some of these items I do I was going to include it in my staff or I'll report out but the improvements to council chambers are on schedule dates their

council chambers is blocked out for certain dates I think we'll even see some construction tape in our December meeting so with the goal of it being finished on the 14th can I comment on that yes I think the city has a project for automatic doors

estimated cut okay includes comprehensive assessment of remediation accessibility

okay I thought there was something missing but it says the automatic doors so I do have a comment on that this we've been kept up to date about the doors that's not a problem I know that it was brought to the

tension of members of the active transportation commission that the doors are not accessible for the public bathrooms here and so that I'm assuming didn't make

it's way into this project so for my fellow commissioners when we're talking about accessible meetings food for thought for recommendation for 2025 this item also is referring to discussion multiple

discussions about closed captioning on meetings the promise by the city clerk's office that meetings would continue to be provided on

zoom because I had closed captioning and that was changed shortly after this was presented to the PMP and this new information this is another example it's talking about Google there's a way to do it on Google

okay that's great why is this the first time I'm hearing it reading it and with this information is there a plan to post this somewhere on the meeting website include this information in the

agenda because this item came to us from somebody from the deaf and hard of hearing committee it wasn't like it wasn't like a you know I just walked out of

street and I think you know it would be really great is that we have closed captioning no it was somebody who contacted the state council for

development disabilities who reached out to me because I sat on one of their committees at the time and said there's an icon that says there's closed captioning when they click on it

doesn't work so it's broken oh turns out it's not just that doesn't work it's not available it's only available for the city council meetings and through this commission work they removed the

closed captioning so that's a that's a status that you know the illusion that there is closed captioning was removed and that was the work of this commission and here's an

option since we're not offering closed captioning for any meetings outside of city council but that should also been then somehow be incorporated in meeting notices on the meeting website because it came from the

public and you telling me in this report until we said a council oh well you can do it on Google if you know how to do it I had to Google how to do it on Google

and then I tested it and sure yeah it works but this is the first time hearing about it after all the times we've discussed this so this is another example when I'm hearing

commissioners on boy identify is that the status descriptions and this is what Mr. Gothin was saying is that perhaps that is mirrored in his report but to have a more less words and more things that are just the status of the item instead of the

description I feel like it's a report to us that's not a report to the council telling me that I telling us that it's possible on Google's report to the commission that we're receiving as part of this

yeah noted so that if just like we did with the other item were the status that we are our voice is saying the automatic doors update so for purposes of

discussion here whether needs to say status or update or what or review history we're saying is the edits that have followed the last two discussions the current and the previous the extra words are summaries from what has not been

discussed or notified and we don't want to go into a report that says we're signing office commissioners or that Sylvia and I are signing office chairs or whatever the status will be to sign off on this and present to suggest that we all are in agreement that that's an accurate view rather that maybe knowledge that's shared within the staff in the city in general but from our point of view the two or three items related to tech have have or have not been

completed so the that gives the theme for the past twenty twenty three recommendations reference to the letter reference to acknowledging what that status is without giving further explanation that's the

maybe like as a best practice moving forward that could be like a standing item in my staff oral report out is the status of the recommendations from the past report you know when they when they occur

report same like with the doors it's me reaching out to facilities and asking what's the status are they going in and I think we originally they were

going to go in July that's one we're paying attention to a little more closely we knew about that one but we knew about the website too we've we've given

reports about the doors we've gotten reports about the website we've never gotten a report about the close

captions so that would be a recommendation for twenty twenty five is that somehow that that information is provided to the public to improve

accessibility to public meetings just as a piggyback I mean it's great information but now what do we do with it you know that it doesn't

sitting with us doesn't empower our community to stay engaged and interact with the process of democracy right which everybody's

really hot on right now so and during yeah and to that point during the since I participated with staff during the draft

during this mock-up is very little I want to acknowledge against Sylvia Stephanie I'm sorry you're Sylvia sorry

Stephanie was present and it is a great amount of effort so not to take away from that the word transparency

came up and so in the if we don't accomplish anything else for some of these items that having it on the staff

report moving forward for example is a a way to be accountable and transparent so maybe that's a theme that hasn't been

discussed not not that we need to but that's something that it's a word choice that might help to direct our actions as a

DAC as we move forward so that the follow-up report I mean to be fair again I want to emphasize this is the first time

that we're having this in this much involvement so that someone listening to this report on time then can actually take action on it

and I wanted to put that in context the previous council even if they heard it in commissioner McMillan

did an excellent job when he was chair to express that exact sentiment that there's we're talking about

something that already happened and so this is not the case this time around so if that helps to if that helps staff to

edit the content it's easier to cut things out than it is to put things there so I don't want things to get lost

but I do think they can be repositioned in a staff like you were suggesting without taking away from that

accountability and transparency that the 2023 recommendations was intended to provide okay moving on

I think that all of the items around the that were punted to racial equity committee

stay as they are until we have that presentation and then give staff an opportunity the only

questions I would appreciate being answered is which I think I would answer to is did any of these things actually go

to the subcommittee of the council as directed by the PMPE yes or no and then we'll hear the report from

this the staff either she can answer it or you can say make sure you know the answer to this yeah

like we told you before when you come yeah and as a past chair commissioner Tucson Boyd's point is valid

that we're saying the status update of this follow-up step that we were told back when she was chair

great any other comments moving on okay

I do want to highlight yes the completed one I think that's great that we have the recommendation

that was completed and and it going to the PMPE and pressure from the council's result of that

presentation is part of the success of getting those changes made yeah and then it's noted in the

accomplishments yeah but that's where you can actually see where the recommendation went to the

PMPE and then I think even while we were still presenting maybe some text messages were flying out

to people saying why is it still a thing so it was good yeah so and then kind of this one

number seven on past recommendation kind of falls in line with what you're saying commissioner

Tucson Boyd of this is the first time hearing about this you know and you know that this is just a

result of me meeting with the clerk's office and so this is this is this will be the the city's

answer on this one about moving about our meeting so yeah I know yeah you need to do this to be

inclusive for everybody we know we do that all the time whoever's sitting at at the chair seat

open up public comment items on the agenda at the beginning if they know that somebody

has like a pair of transit issue or whatever right like we know all this stuff we're trying to

empower the city to be more inclusive so thank you but you know I spent years going to school

board meetings at Sacramento City Unified School District it was not friendly that was not a

friendly audience that I was speaking in front of their general comments is at the front end of

the meetings and and and I would not say that that was like a real public at the years I was going

there it was not very public friendly it's it's changed but all right so that's a review of the

past recommendations and I think we'll step in and I will go over the discussion and make some edits

and I'll meet with you Mo so we go through you want to move on to key accomplishments or

recommendations for 24 just really quick so we're going to change that status and take out

some of that it's not a mandatory requirement although it's not a mandatory requirement we feel

it should be something along those lines would be good that last sentence

I

don't know I mean I think we need to say it again that's the that's the response that

commissioner to son boy just yeah I'm sure it's there so the I mean to from my perspective

recommendation seven is not in theme it could end with that could be put somewhere else where it's

part of the staff summary but it's not the voice of what we're saying I mean the status is from

my point of view the status is it that's some information but it hasn't changed so it's up to

individual right it's it's the DACs voice or is it the staff giving the status yeah right so

and we're saying make all meetings accessible which includes city council I don't know

clerk the city council ever move public comment to the beginning that you're aware of not to put

you on the spot but just anecdotal is you recall a time when public comment was taken at the beginning of

a session off the top of my head I'm not aware I do know that they do adjust the order from time

to time but I cannot think of any instance for an example but I knew that no it does get adjusted

from time to time and I think you know there's a time there's a time limit on public comment items

on it well in general and then items on agenda and I do know that the chair or the mayor whoever

has the option of limiting the number of comments or like the amount of time like hey we're

going to have public comment for an hour yeah for many people we get in we get in right so like

with all those things in mind there's there's I think to the clerk's example there's flexibility

but we're saying use that flexibility and that was mentioned to commissioners point is we said early

on within the first eight pages after listing all the nuances to the ordinance needs to be acknowledged

and practice and ordinances what we're outlining the general the way this will read once edited

and what we've discussed today is the ordinance to be followed needs to be universal and those edits

that are superfluous and not the point of view is the point of view of the DAC these are the draft

notes of information received so now staff's going to go back and based on how we've given our feedback

so good job on everyone giving feedback so that it seems redundant but it's not such a it's such

interesting place to be able to have a strong position statement at a timely in a timely manner

so therefore I'm adding to the commenting the number seven recommendation becomes irrelevant

based on the discussion today as part of the report in that section and if it's appropriate in other

places I give liberty to the staff to retain the essence of what was intended but not needed

there and it goes right back to the accomplishment it ends with golden one in the past recommendation

and it gives the DACA when it shows when I say when I'm saying in the read you're saying look how

impressive the community engagement and the role of the DAC is to be able to tackle on a project

and have it on the agenda for later today it's the last item actually of our discussion calendar so

that's impactful and that even whether you're new or have been around for a while or in the audience

and watching online and reviewing recordings things are being done it's just at a government pace and

so everyone hang on with that being said clerk I'm going to take a pause before giving a mic

back to mr. Gothen we need to vote on time correct to extend time yes we have until 735

will be the two-hour mark at which point we will need a vote before then would you like to do now

I would like to do it now yes motioned is it another 30 minutes or an hour but we can go

no for total of three hours i believe motion to extend the meeting by another hour

five second

oh

mercer vice chair

vice-recreement thank you okay mr. Gothen we have to go

sorry i jumped ahead i saw everyone nodding and okay i apologize so we will be taking a vote to

extend the meeting one additional hour from the two-hour mark of 735 so we will the

the meeting will end at 835 at the latest commissioners please unmute for the vote commissioner

Ellis i commissioner grain bomb i commissioner car absent commissioner cramer i

commissioner mercer i commissioner smith

s upset commissioner Tucson void i and chair crolee i thank you motion passes to extend

thank you mr. Gothen all right so that was our review of the past recommendations

and i guess i called it the status but we'll look we'll look more on that and how you know how to

capture the commissions commissions voice on on that we can move on either to key accomplishments

or recommendations for 2024 i i maybe it's a good time to go into the recommendations before 2024

and then we can end with the key accomplished okay so let's see everyone's nodding

so we have past recommendations and perhaps that's what we're saying that in the conversation of

it all it's the past recommendations the current recommendations well then we got to get to the

work plan and the work plan so in terms of order as you ask so so for for the recommendations for 2024

the first one was there was a lot of discussion in september about more engagement with the

department of human resources so i'm really happy to introduce catherine bandy is here this evening

to join us with this part of the discussion so i can invite you up and i don't think you need to

stand at the podium but but just be available to to respond to questions because you know the

first one was very much about our coordination with department human resources so and then the

second one was about public information office and so is someone here from the pio okay it doesn't

look like anyone's here from the pio but so anyway with that i will hand it back to you chair prolly

okay with with what's up there assuming not to assume but everyone on the commission got

access to this is there any discussion on this or we'll move on what do you mean discussion

at it at it the discussion of editing it the purpose of the draft is for us to discuss more

recommendations i mean for what's on the screen i mean i think just this first one so me the

department if the hr stuff is probably more of a work plan thing it's not really a recommendation

i mean like the ordinance says that we're supposed to be revealing all that stuff so

is our recommendation that we follow the ordinance i think that's a work plan thing trying to work it in

the public information office that would be probably a recommendation i wouldn't say it's that

important because we've tried in the past and it's just not gone anywhere so i don't i don't know

i think that's a maybe great to get more exposure but um in terms of priorities and only

personally i think that's a big one i think i think that you know the accessible meetings

the inclusive training personally did you repeat the last two things the personal

sitting personally the accessible meetings and the trainings that around and etiquette around

inclusion etc i mean i just even in meeting oh referring back to the first thing that you were

mentioning earlier about the training right that those are those are better i mean like i know

it's on the work plan and a a counting of the pedestrian audible pedestrian signals but that to me

that was a recommendation that it needs to be done i could do a public records act request it'd be

very expensive and time consuming to find out where they all are what i'm suggesting instead of

doing that i mean i could do that as a citizen is that as a city that we purposefully identify

where those are because maintaining lights what i've heard from staff is not the same thing is

maintaining the audible signals and with them going online with all being required there should

be a plan but how do you have a plan if you don't know what you have so personally again as a as a

member of the commission on the work plan that would have obviously come to us but to me that's

the reordering of kind of the items in the work plan maybe bringing some of those forward into the

recommendations advice versa that's what i heard is what i heard is what i heard you this to me HR is

important but that's that's a more you know how the deck is utilized and that HR specifically spelled

out in the ordinance has its online item and everything with policy and i know that commissioner

Ellis had some questions about it so and also in these meetings with the commissioners that are here

today it matches the tone of the last several meetings to take things out of the work plan to make

recommendations and i'm also of the opinion and i shared this during the development of the draft

that having it placed in multiple headings is not a bad thing so if anything if it's in the work plan

not to remove it from there but to expand this list so that there's a parallel that's another

recommendation that i would recommend i would suggest so maybe with that we could move on to the

work plan because that's where a lot of the items are and um and i noticed there was as that's being

pulled up i noticed that there were public slips so just thank you to the public for being patient

as we'll get to those in together thank you

being on there

going to pay 18 i think

yeah so going to pay 18 and um

so there are some key staff here that's nice so yeah if um miss bandy did you want to address the

commission at all about that recommendation just about our coordination with human resources and

maybe it's just some comments that you've heard from the maybe some of the things we talked about

in the September meeting and maybe just some of the comments you heard tonight yeah totally um

uh thank you jesse for inviting me up and a good evening commissioners i um i joined the city

in march of this year so i'm still um and i'm you know relatively doing my role is the

ADA and leaves administration manager in the human resources department um since coming on board

one of my major projects i'm working on right now is getting software available that will help

with tracking ADA accommodations that are happening for employees citywide because i would very

much like to be able to present that data to you um so that you guys have a better sense of what

my office has been working on and i also need to have that data as well just to um you know help me

in um making sure that i'm doing what i'm supposed to be doing for the city so um that is something

that we're working on right now um we're getting close you know um i know earlier someone mentioned

it's a government pace right but we are getting close to having that software on boarded um very

close to that so i'm excited to have that um have that available we've also started tracking um

other types of accommodations that um and you know they're related to ADA not always um kind of

under that umbrella we weren't previously tracking lactation accommodations for example for

um uh new parents returning from pregnancy disability leave so we're starting to do that as well

and i'm hoping that sometime in the spring i will be able to come to you guys and present data on

on that so yeah that's what i wanted to share any questions or i say something

so i think one of the things maybe that we've talked about here um is

i guess long uh one the lines of our messaging that being inclusive and like a welcoming employer

so having those interactions and information i think would be great for us because we can say hey

yeah we know for example you know um the city of Sacramento is doing this for this many employees um

what i think would be great is working together on some sort of initiatives or efforts to do outreach

um indicating that the city as a place that individuals with seen and unseen disabilities

are welcome to apply for positions because i mean and everybody knows you have to you know

under ADA provide accommodations but that that that that inclusion goes to hiring practices as well

and i do know in the past um council members have uh initiated uh you know like resolutions that say

we encourage you know individuals of color and women and you know etc etc to apply for positions

within the city because we're an inclusive employer um i would very much like to see

something along the lines of individual disabilities and and perhaps HR could be a partner

and she told us that obviously you're new but maybe you could find out from from people with more

historical knowledge how some of those initiatives came about and how we can put that out into the

community because i think commissionalist mentioned that at a recent meeting yeah definitely um if i

can jump in yeah it's worth this is part of the discussion for the draft please do yeah i

definitely as you as commissioners use some way to saying i like the idea that you're tracking this

as its data it's you know it's important for us you know for the city to be making you know data

driven decisions i think that's important but you know i don't know i it's a double-edged sort

because on one hand we can say look how accommodating the city is that you know we do these things

we're providing all these supports to employees who need them but then the flip of that is

they had to go through the requests to get the accommodation and all of that so that kind of

goes both ways where it can be viewed you know as a positive and a negative you know as somebody who

does have to ask for reasonable accommodations in the workplace and then you know in some accommodate

i like the idea that you're tracking it though because you know some accommodations are kind of a

one and done we had to buy something and there it is it's done you know maybe we were at a

replacement five years down the road you know because things were out but there are some accommodations

where there could be a more ongoing expense or need so being able to kind of track that and then

the person being a little more proactive in that the person doesn't necessarily have to ask you know

i don't know i've been buying a lot of them but they are purifiers you know you buy it but then

they require new filters over time so then that's you know be nice that that person doesn't have to

ask to i need you know new filters for my air purifier in my office you know kind of a thing

there's those kinds of things come to mind so it's like being more proactive and more as we're

saying we're inclusive you know for people you know ideally it's like you shouldn't have to ask as

we've been saying about other things but sometimes that's just the nature of is we're not there yet

in terms of our our accessibility so yeah that's just kind of my comment there but I like the fact

that we can interact more and iterate and you know evolve and share our practices from our own

lived and work experiences and things like that so yeah well I think you know anyone else

pardon me for just a minute could you introduce one by?

I'm yes I think it's great that you're tracking them also I'm coming from I'm an employment attorney

are you tracking them with regards I mean some can be very specialized specific you know with

regards to needing I'm time off so I'm I'm wondering if if that's how specifically you

for C to be tracking or if you know I think Commissioner Ellis is talking about accommodations

that we shouldn't have to ask about like the doors or the bathroom or whatnot which are I mean great

to know that we're putting for those you know in being proactive so I'm just curious I guess about

the specific specificity of certain requests and yeah so the software that we're looking at will be

able to get like the data kind of down to the types of accommodations being granted and those

types of things so I think that'll be really helpful data for the city to have moving forward and

one thing is with our policy right now the way that the reasonable accommodation policy is written

it does have an allowance for departments to make informal accommodations and informal is what

that is how it is phrased in the policy and so a lot of those informal accommodations have not

been coming through my office or we're not being made aware of those accommodations so that's kind

of what I'm trying to start gathering data on because I think there's I think only a very small

amount of the accommodations that are actually being granted are coming through my office and my

office does have quite a big volume of that so I'm hoping that once we have that software available

will be able to have a mechanism in place to track those informal accommodations that are happening

citywide. Anyone who hasn't spoken before I handed over to Commissioner Tucson boy, Commissioner

Cramer anybody? Okay well and I think that data will be very helpful too because if they're

informal accommodations and leadership changes and then all of a sudden you have an employee that's

not allowed or has a challenge because of you know the informality of it right so if it goes

through your office and I think to Commissioner Ellis's point perhaps in backing up what I said

perhaps starting from the hiring practices if the if the recruitment so of your participating

and job fairs that are specifically geared towards people with different abilities partnering with

you know alter regional center and the Department of Rehabilitation that have funding and employment

programs for individuals who are capable and willing and want to work you know inviting them to

apply when as part of that process you're identifying some of the accommodations that they may or

may not need right at the beginning as opposed to them having to ask for it later so yeah thank you

just go ahead I didn't know about the informal accommodation in the policy so I just want to uplift

that I get where Commissioner Tucson boy it's coming from in that you know leadership changes and

then that informality can change right but I think empowering supervisors and managers to feel like

they can give the employees what they need and they don't need this special permission always you know

that I think is a that makes us it would make the city a destination employer for people with

disabilities and knowing you can you know make a simple ask of I just need this thing to do my job

and it doesn't have to be this rigmarole of documentation the interactive process and all these

things and if it is seemingly on the more you know I don't want to be in consequential but more

simplistically on the reason you know because reasonable is a judgment call but if a yeah okay

again no I mean if you know I don't know like for example remote work I mean I know that's big and

there's a lot of more return to office going on in the world but like someone's like you know I'm

just not feeling 100% today can I just work from home given whatever the nature of their work is because

it could vary you know there are positions within the city where remote work is just not possible and

we rely on on those folks but you know if it is then it's like okay even though your normal remote

work day is you know Friday let's move it so it's today because you're not 100% and we you know you

still feel like you can work you know that kind that's those are the kinds of situations that I

think that informality can be beneficial but yeah again kind of cut both ways but I'm glad it's

in the policy I would I would just uplift and keeping it so that way it's not reasonable

accommodations shouldn't feel or look like a barrier at any point and I know in some places it can

feel rather arduous on the employee side so thank you for that thank you I wanted to thank you

for being here to help us with this draft process so I kind of had two things to use your expertise

on something that was brought up in previous discussions and last year's report that was supported by

various council members is there is training there are ADA coordinators that are formally trained

that are not specific to HR how would you suggest coming from your background that we would

describe that recommendation in our report so that to say that there's an ADA specialist

within the city for employee reasons meets the role of us as a DAC to advise the council

with your department and with your leadership that's written so to the commissioners that have

already spoken that interaction to be continued and be put on the agenda and all those things

but specific to what we're trying to edit as a final edit so that staff can work and we can

vote on it next month at the meeting what would you recommend to highlight what would be the

terminology that would highlight the consultant role or the ADA coordinator role that is a

specialised role that the council could read this report and zero in on the fact that they had

talked about it before maybe there's new leadership or new structures in place but with you in your

position as staff have have the support of the DAC and also you're supporting us as a DAC to not

only support the employees but to identify that there are times where the stakeholders of the city

want employers and employee relations employer employee relations for the reasons that you've

been hired but as a DAC the recommendation wording from an expert like you what would be your

suggestion so that we can all kind of discuss the viewpoint that we share that we may not have

the words for but your presence here is making it an exceptional opportunity to really lean into

the fact that there's specialties that a council advice a staff member who is specialised in it

or that anyone on staff who's helping our commission there are times where a recommendation can be

not bureaucratically managed but rather acted upon because it was worded in 2024 as a perspective

way that future DAC recommendations would fall in line and it's supported in the history and

context of what we're saying but no one like you has ever been hired to our knowledge has always been

somebody overlapping a role in generality and the individual we've talked in different meetings

this year that there is an individual nature a privacy and reduction of barriers that come

when someone is specialised in accommodations and reasonable requests of people who

have self identified and we don't have that language in anything in the past and I would like to

hear how you might suggest some sort of phrasing or wording that from an advisory commission we may

not have the expertise but we know that there's an expert needed and it's not necessarily you as staff

yeah so what I'm hearing is kind of the the difference between like my role in the human resources

department versus like the citywide ADA coordinator is that okay so I think one thing that I would just

maybe consider is that the ADA has different titles to it so there's different sections of the

ADA that apply to different things in the human resources department really what my role is and what

my office is focused on is just employment related accommodations that's what my background is in

that's you know that's the role that I was hired to do there's other aspects of the ADA though where

for example like we have an ADA general like inbox it's ADA at cityacadermino.org we will

get emails there sometimes where people are you know wanting some support they might live in the

city and they might live in an apartment building that is an ADA compliant and they don't really

know where to go you know to make sure that their housing is compliant with the ADA well that's not

something you know that's not within the the ADA that I'm specifically focused on in my role

because my role is just employment related for ADA but also for leaves administration I'm kind of

you know I have those two hats on they're very intertwined with each other but there's also you

know FMLA and CFRA and and those all those leaves that you know we also administer so my role isn't

necessarily just all of the ADA it's this aspect of the ADA plus all of the leaves stuff so I think

you know it would probably be you know something to consider maybe highlighting that there isn't

a specific the ADA coordinator would be the person who would focus on all of the different

aspects of the ADA does that sufficiently answer your question you for because we're not as knowledgeable

and maybe Mr. Dale you may be what would be the category besides because the ordinance says

we advise on ADA employment needs so there's a there is already something written that we're

going to interact with you in your staff position but and this is again open discussion this is not

some agenda is item so I appreciate the support that you're providing already just by helping

us get this accomplished so what would be the words that we're suggesting at at the level of

ADA coordinator recommendations that would reflect all the discussion that I've heard so far

in these specialized areas so as accounts as I'll start so when it comes to language when it comes to

forms when it comes to mobility those are certain things that we've discussed and there's different

topics so any one of us can do a Google search and send it to Mr. Gothen and but is there anything

for today's meeting that can specifically highlight our purpose of discussing and for

the ADA staff member to be here that we can gain to finalize this this discussion

because this is our opportunity before we approve or disprove the rough draft in December.

I found what she just said very helpful I mean that's and I

see her spotting her head you know um just checking so a generic statement and I can I can

whisper Ms. Bandy on on that language thanks. I was over talking about the ADA

coordinating of positions and all aspects of the ADA and working with those who

do are responsible but others right like you know community development that you know they're the

idea people so they're like hey we have this idea let's do this project I mean you know

you know we ever get a major league soccer stadium which came to the DAC way back when when

it was more more of a thing than it than it is now but you know from the from up here seeing

these are the people you're going to want to connect with not just.

Thanks and I do have from the time that I've been a commissioner to when um to just the national

movement post-COVID there is an organization that trains city ADA coordinators it's a actual

organization and they have some standards so I'll make sure that I forward that to Mr. Goathen as

well. Okay moving on. So with that why don't we dive into the work plan and I know we talked about

audible pedestrian signals commissioner Tucson boy talked about moving that to a recommendation

for 2024. I did work with the city traffic engineer on asking that question he informed me that

all the signals are inspected on an annual basis and that maintenance requests are received through

311 referrals so. So question about that the audible ones are inspected? All of the signals. Yeah.

But for audible I mean because the audible ones on my street haven't worked for at least a decade so

they're inspected and I mean is there a record that they were even audible at one point because

they've never been fixed so. Okay or is it purely citizen driven which isn't then the problem that if

you know Mr. Ellis moves to my neighbor and he didn't know that those were audible signals he

doesn't know to file a 311 request. Right. He might file a citizen request saying I travel this area

and I need audible signals and then lo and behold you find out oh yeah this was audible at one point

but I'm thinking chicken a kind of thing like if we have a if there is if they're inspected

ever and there should be a list which I have been told that there is and so if there is a list then

maybe that should be some more publicly available so citizens know that if it's not working or

is that supposed to be audible it is oh it's not working I've filed a 311. And the way I view

this recommendation is like and maybe the wording needs a little more specificity but it's like I

feel like we should get like you're saying some sort of report that this has happened I mean

because I know I report them through 311 every so often and it could be years before they're fixed.

And that's the ones you know of right. And those are the ones I know of and that I'm sitting here

you know so obviously I do use 311 to report stuff. I believe with that staff when they presented

on roadway projects about maintenance plans and they've said that there isn't one so you're

telling us that somebody else on city stomach says there is a plan so maybe there is and the people

that do projects don't know that but it's so I think what we're talking about right now.

I was not aware that I've done projects for many years because I was not aware that they were

all inspected annually so you know as to you know was the was everything fixed or what what you know

what was you know I think is what you're asking about because you're aware of some situations where

there's some APS is a asthma fix. Well the ones that I know of but how to transfer example they

they install one they have they have a maintenance part of it is a maintenance plan and a

replacement plan and I know that I've asked that on a couple of the more recent presentations.

Yeah. What is the maintenance plan and what is the replacement plan the city doesn't have a city

wide maintenance replacement plan. Okay. So and that was going to be my my same comment about

it says preventable but having something to parallel replacement. And they may very well like

it expects them but then it gets the rubber where the rubber meets the road is then does this

become actionable oh yeah we know it's broken but you know budget and all those things come into

play right. How do you budget if you don't know how many you have. Yeah. Can I just ask for clarification

weren't we talking earlier about moving this out of work plan. Well that's what we're clear. Okay good.

Thanks. Okay others. Okay moving on. I'd like to jump to the transition plan.

As Mr. Phil the way he's been here since the beginning of the mini and Phil had offered to give

an update on the transition plan but as part of the work plan just to when he's ready to come

back and present it. So maybe Phil you want to speak to this item it's currently number

letter E. I find the jumping to the transition plan actually rather timely with the conversations

about the audible pedestrian signal so I'll get into that in a moment. First I'd like to say hi

to the commissioners that I've worked with in the past serving in Jesse's world. Jesse's doing a

five far better job than I ever did and you guys are in great hands. So the commissioners I haven't

worked with before but it's a pleasure to meet you here today and I'm looking forward to be back

presenting on the projects I'm working on and probably most most soon in the future is going to be

a formal presentation on the self evaluation and transition plan regarding public right away.

I'm a bit overdue coming back to you guys with the transition plan. The document itself is largely

completed. It's actually in final review with the City Attorney's Office. But getting to your

statement about where the rubber meets the road when it comes to the transition plan is really an

asset management exercise. And just to give you an idea the three main barriers to accessibility

in the public right away that we're dealing with in the transition plan are clearly curb ramps.

We have a pretty good asset management and certification program with curb ramps.

Audible pedestrian signals and I'll come back to that and sidewalks. So those have all been

identified as key components of providing accessible travel within the public right away.

The real trick with finalizing this transition plan is coming up with a methodology for tracking

the status of them and as they get upgraded over time how do we track that they've been upgraded.

And that's what I've been working on and that's kind of why the presentation back to the DAC has

been delayed. I'm working with our city IT department to utilize GIS to track these assets

in their locations in the city. And we have a lot of that GIS backbone kind of already installed.

Our ramp database is probably the furthest along. It's probably already where it needs to be.

You can see we have maps where you can see colored dots throughout the city and each color kind of

designates a very stage of certifying that ramp as accessible slopes with lengths.

Their ability to track those assets for other such things like sidewalks.

Somewhat lacking. We have some of that GIS capability as a matter of fact our maintenance

service division is way out in front of us in terms of tracking their work orders.

But we're now working on putting in procedures where we can track every new sidewalk,

every length of sidewalk we replace with our CIP projects, every length of sidewalk we replace

with a development project. Because there's various divisions that work on sidewalks and we need to

build functionality into our GIS capability that allows us to say hey this sidewalk was built last

year from here to here we know it's accessible from there to there. And that's one of the main

factors of this transition plan is coming up with a methodology for tracking the improvements.

Now accessible signals you brought that up. We do have every traffic signal in the city of Sacramento

on a GIS layer. I can pull it up on my computer and I can click on the signal. What I'm working with

GIS now is adding data fields to each one of those traffic signals and essentially it'll be four

data fields assuming it's a four-way signal does the east crossing have audible pedestrian signals.

Does the north crossing have audible pedestrian signals. So that's the technological aspect that

we're working on right now. I've had a number of meetings with our GIS staff. They're working on

building a new application on which we can actually update. Hey I finished my CIP project. I'm

going to go update that I added audible pedestrian signals at all four crossings at this traffic

signal. Not only does that provide the benefit of us being able to report out the signals that we've

upgraded throughout the city when we have a new project that comes through we can look at that

signal and say oh this signal doesn't have audible pedestrian signals and we can budget for the

implementation of audible pedestrian signals and we can plan for that design effort. So that's really

what's been the holdup and coming back with a transition plan. I'm looking to have the document go

come to the DIC and then go on to city council for approval but I do not want to do so until I have

an adequate GIS program in place so we can track the remediation of these barriers in the public

right away. So that's the thousand foot overview on the transition plan update. I know you guys

got a lot to cover tonight so I don't want to get too much further but I'd happy to be happy to take

any questions on it. Again this is open discussion so I'm not calling on anyone unless you have

come in. So I'm just taking it as it's in progress. It's in progress and you're you've got a lot of

layers to it so okay. Yeah and I mean in the document itself is largely done but the G

it's I think the real important task of this is implementing the GIS tools that'll help us

really meet the goals of the transition plan. And that is a lot of data I mean that's a lot of

granular data that you're talking about but that's what's necessary that's what we're asking for

so I appreciate that so it's hopefully down the road you'll have a very positive report to

probably once once we get the GIS infrastructure in place then there probably going to be some

poor interns over the summer that have to go back through all the work orders and stuff over

the last like several years to try and populate some of that data because we do we have remediated

a lot of these barriers over the last 10 years it's having it represented in GIS is going to be

important to us. So one thing if I could add under this it's a different item but it was a note

that I made under the annual perspective plan it says that the city continues to exceed the

goals for accessibility investments in the public right away. What you're talking about Phil is

those numbers those numbers are important like we can say we're exceeding but I would love for

us to be able to point to I mean you guys all know the numbers but you know take that to council

when we do talk about working with social media putting that out there I mean that could be a great

infographic with how many you know signals you've remediated to make them accessible you know

it's not just the work it's how the work improves our city and it's a it's a you know something

that deserves to be one shared so everybody knows about it but also celebrated we can pat ourselves

on the back like we're not just working in our silos we are incorporating everybody's concerns and

you know also this it sounds like it would create a pathway if somebody called 311 that

you'd be able to figure out sooner whether or not that was an audible signal that just needs to be

repaired or needs to be put on the list for remediation in the future so. Exactly it'll be useful

to both for reporting and maintenance. Awesome. I was I was hoping I had a thought along those lines

and maybe merge in the APS item with the report out on the transition maybe those two items could

come at the same time or you know because they seem like there's a lot of overlap there.

And it's a powerful number. Yeah. The numbers large it's all encompassing and it goes back to

what we were discussing at the beginning of this item is that it's important to vet things with

this commission because it's universal and then there are numbers and dollar signs that the

the council and other committees can latch on to. Is this a good time unless you had to I wanted

to suggest that we did during the draft process discussed because it's something about CIP

and I was privileged to kind of put in context how there is money associated with things that come

out of disability projects in public works that help move all of these items forward when it comes

to project planning that our years take years to do and we get that here. I thought I would take

a moment since is there something to share that's in the document that is summarizing or capturing that

it's not specific to the project but it was specific to either in the work plan or as a

success or an exceptional action how the money I think you're referring to the prospective plan

and maybe the the prospective plan and the bar in reporting. Okay. So that's where we that's where we

list line item the accessibility improvements that have been included in all the projects.

Yes. Okay. Yeah. So that was part of B. And that might be something where there's two places where

the same information is being presented to reinforce the impact of it. Yeah.

Well, Meredith and also in a light item. And what Jesse was saying about putting them together like

one is the things that you're supposed to do because of the part and settlement and then one's

the other thing that we're doing as a matter of course of of doing business here in the city of

Sacramento. So I like being able to juxtapose those two things like yes we want to be accessible

and we're checking this box but we're also doing all these other things every opportunity that we have.

Yeah. And one's very much expenditure driven while one's counting the number of widgets,

the number of ramps. I know. Yeah. Oh, Mr. Bude, I will work with you on that language because I

think that'd be great. So be good. Thank you for helping us. Thank you for the update.

Happy to be here.

So that was the transition plan. You know, we talked about the I'll jump to F.

That's okay on the work plan. This was the letter to CalTrans. I think there was support for that.

So, you know, if you have any other further thoughts about that, I think you can email me those

unless someone wants to talk about it now. But I thought we the presentation from HR. I think you

heard from Miss Bandy tonight and you know, we're committed to having report outs. As as

she would like to come to the commission. And so I'll work with her on that and her involvement.

I mean, it was part of the recommendation to some boy members, part of the ordinance. So we have

to be doing this. So let's do this. I think we're all we're all on the same page there. So I'll keep

that in the recommendations. Maybe we could spend some time on H and I community events.

We have done some homework on this. I talked with staff about the community event permitting

process. And they've done some homework on this. And looking at the resources that are out there,

we have some ideas on some tools we could provide to different promoters as they're getting permits,

which was kind of the spirit and I think in intent of the comments I heard in September.

And so staff, we be available and willing to report out on that next year. I think it might be a good

topic. Sounds like there's interest. Tim Haley award, of course, we'll have. I spoke with PIO

about racing awareness about the commission's work. And so yeah, I just be curious. I know

there's been some postings in the past. I think there were some comments made today about it. I

don't know. I haven't really got a position from the city PIO office about it. But I think it

seems like a good thing, right? When the commission does some things to make some posts. Maybe,

you know, there's a schedule to it, like certain many times a year or something like that.

But ask the question. Yeah. Does public works have a PIO that's assigned to you guys?

We do. Yeah. So is that who would be working with? Are you talking to this the main?

Well, her name is Gabby Miller. She's my liaison to the PIO office office. So I pose the question.

And it was kind of, so, you know, kind of that. So I know there's some precedent, right? It sounds

like in 2022 or maybe there was some. There were, we did a couple of things, but that was directly

the city manager had a hand in it. Okay. So yeah. Okay. I mean, you know, we asked and said

that it was around the Tim Haley awards. It was a way to highlight the anniversary of the commission

and the awards. And then we also, when we had several seats open, we made another ask. Okay.

I highlighted us. But it, you know, takes takes a volunteer to make it to make the ask to make it happen.

So if there's a way that maybe this could jump to a recommendation. Yeah. Okay. I think you kind

of had it as a recommendation. Yeah. Did I have? Oh, I did. Didn't I? Yeah. You had it up there. Okay.

But it would be helpful to know whether it's

city hall PIO cycle or public work cycle. Just for clarity. What does PIO stand for? Public information

officer? And so when, when there is an answer or even if there's not in that gray area,

depending on the comfort level of the commission and the chair and vice chair, like depending on

who's sitting here, a lot of the things that happen between 2020 and 2022 were very much commission

driven. But there's been a restructuring of how information is shared. So I think the way that

it's already described satisfies what's being presented. And then our active work to commissioners

point, it takes a volunteer to be able to move something forward. It's still unclear sometimes.

But I think it's clearly presented here. And with the addition of, with the change of the

makeup of commissioners to include youth, that is something on this topic I wanted to add because

the youth commission, nurse, they have a very robust event, social media outreach, communication

strategy that's related to youth. And so in the word prior to that anticipated seat being filled,

I think it's important that we highlight the makeup has changed, which would impact

how the communication of our commission with the youth member, then we have this, we don't have

an integrated way. We're just as right now we're saying, well, if public works is the staff,

but we have a youth commissioner and they're on an app and now they're posting, the way that

the commission, nurse, have traditionally been trained is to limit it and defer to the city protocol

of what is public versus private. You're coming to the meeting as a public person and the media presence

of the youth commissioner by looking at anything that they're doing is much more robust, just like

the council members now are much more, they have some sort of public presence. So what we discussed

at the last meeting was we can only do what we can do as commissioners in connection with our

district, the seat that we're assigned to, but perhaps what's missing from the, when we did the

draft to this discussion is that we don't have anything stating that there is the council

including in their social, in their socials or commissioners like the youth commissioner that

has access to a page of some kind, to do to their unique nature. Dact does not have a page, nor has

anyone ever said on a commissioner's side that they might have said it, but no one has taken on

that leadership and hasn't gotten city support, but that has changed since 2021-2022.

There are active things where commissioners are live streaming and council members are live

streaming and commissioners through their pages like youth commission are different and we never

discussed this during the draft. So in the wake of between now and the next meeting, I would recommend

that we put something in there that there's in the spirit of modernization that we, whether it's a

I think it's part of the work plan actually that there's a regular presence outside of

outside of city protocol on how we're trained as speaking on behalf of the city as a commission

versus linking to the social media of the council. We don't really, it's a gray area. There is no

there is no comment on that, but and that hasn't been discussed yet. So like if a DAC, a DAC commissioner

wants to make kind of social media posts in their capacity as a commissioner, what's the policies

around that? Yeah, and what happens for example, a really good example because farmers markets have

just transitioned with the weather. You have council members having the city, the neighborhood

festivals and the neighborhood, they're doing a live stream and you have the mayor there and the

council member and all of these different entities. And if as a DAC, we individually went as public,

the precedent has been we are there as public because we don't have the authority from the city

to be there representing an official body. And yet all the official bodies are present and their

team is there. And so if we show up and we want to tag ourselves, we've taken an individual action

that's linked to a city activity as a individual, but the youth commission is there as a youth

commissioner with the council member and they have a way to display that. What we've been told

historically is somebody will put it into a newsletter. There's a there is a difference between how

we've been told we can interact with existing social media. Sounds like yeah, it sounds like maybe

there are some procedures that maybe that are are being practiced by other commissions.

That haven't made it to ours or is just okay. There we don't have direction on it, but also

yeah, go ahead. I mean, I think too that we are in a unique position is that because there are

many different disability organizations out there. I've won them and part of a little people of

America or LPA for short. So if I was to represent, I would do it's just like just letting them

letting that organization know that that we as a DAC exist. Like at least at least the chapter

for the Sacramento areas letting them like inviting them to come in and see what we do. And

hopefully that they'll get more involved or be able to feel that they can have more of a say in

how we handle things in our city. And to commissioner Kramer's point, commissioner Kauer,

she mentioned I think two or three meetings ago. There was a discussion of what can or what can't I say.

And so that that's the language that's missing on this item. And I don't know if it's part of

media or if it is wherever it needs to fit, we never did talk about it in the draft and it's not

reflected here. So this could be with that language, updating the language and the work plan to talk

about that. Okay. Anyone else? Okay. All right, anything else on work plan items? And I believe we

should then move on to the accomplishments. Agree. We didn't talk about the citizen request

program, but that's one that is managed by public works. And so we can bring back a report out

on the citizen request program. I think it be of interest. The workshop on reviewing plans,

you know, we bring projects before you. The idea was, you know, just best practices for reviewing

plans, you know, what sorts of things to look for. So anyway, I think we've covered the work plan.

We can, if you have further comments, you can email me directly. Let's see.

So moving on to accomplishments.

Thank you for attending to the city staff that need to leave. Thank you so much.

So the key accomplishments of we had a establishing the drop off and pick up zones, the golden one center,

and included some pictures.

Yeah, I think those were provided by Commissioner Tucson Boyd.

Yeah, photo credit.

I noted just some of the numbers from the projects that have come before the commission that

went to construction. Someone mentioned the pace of government. That is so true for our major capital

projects, you know, 17 year pipelines. But when they do go in, they bring a tremendous amount

of benefit. And it can go out, it can go overlooked if you don't actually count them, right? And do the numbers.

So, you know, I included Del Rio Trail, the Broadway Complete Streets project and the Downtown

Calmability project. And then I had a one of our engineers emailed me some comments she received

on her Bell Avenue. And this project was a repaving project that staff took the initiative to say,

well, if we're going to repay, we ought to do this. We have a complete street project. We ought to

be doing this. And it came back that, of course, there's a bridge built in the 40s that was really

there for motor vehicle traffic since then. Neighborhoods have built up around it. It's been a barrier

for many years. And so she emailed me and said, hey, there was these comments that I received. And I

said, you know, I think the DAC might really appreciate seeing this. And it just goes to, you know,

how meaningful these projects are once we once they are implemented in Bell Avenue. I believe it

did take 10 years for us to. But there was a decision made of, you know, should we include the

bridge or not? You know, it's it was a lot of extra cost to modify to put in these sidewalks. And

it's like, well, there's these neighborhoods on both sides or schools. Someone's going to be using

this, right? And so low and behold, we she received these these these really nice comments. So

I thought, well, that'd be great to include in the report. So that was one of the things I wanted

to comment on. I think that that text, I mean, that commentary was really good. But

looking over, and I believe it's on page 14 is 14 where she's talking 13 B project reviews that

went into construction. Over in that section, I know it's talking about different projects, Broadway and Delvrio trail.

Very acronym heavy. Okay. Super acronym heavy. And yes, it's getting late here. And I'm a bit punchy at

this point. I got it. But it needs it needs less acronyms and just are of these S's and I know that

your language, that's your level language and I get it. But POV. Yeah, just what that woman sent

you over about Bell Avenue is probably something along those lines would be a better way to put it.

And maybe you know what I can go over and volunteer because my husband was great at going over

and writing this and I'll try and kind of talk through with him that particular that particular

section because those are important things. Yeah. And I want to make you shine. We're talking about this.

But any to be in a language that other people. And he had a lot of experience doing walk to

school stuff where he would be translating between the engineers and the communities. That would be

amazing. So I'll see. But tonight is not the night that I can say. Right. A treat for your

reference. Oh, there we go. I just passed them on mid. I do like the quotes. I don't the only comments I

have on the complement, accomplishment section is what I've already mentioned about the perspective

plan, adding some hard numbers to that. Which you have a little bit of that under your projects that

were completed. The improving the city's website. While I know they've done a lot of great work,

there's still a lot of old website out there. And things go back and forth actually from new to

old to new. And yes, I do appreciate that they've changed and updated the city access citywide

accessibility page, probably based on some of the feedback we gave. But again, this is the first

time I'm seeing that that that page was updated based on our back here in this report. So thank you.

But would be nice to know sooner because we shared it. And then that was the last of it. So

it is an accomplishment. But it's, you know, we want to we'd like, I think that it's a workflow

thing. Like we'd like stuff to come back. You have your report and I can be just say, hey,

when you get a chance, they incorporated your suggestions, check it out. Yeah. Let me know if

you have anything else to add to it. And it doesn't have to be a, you know, knockdown, drag out

in front of everybody. But I appreciate that they did make those changes. It looks so much better.

And to maybe even be transparent about that and say, not to add anything to the structure. But

we've seen enough examples today of exactly that. So to highlight for the reader that

it's not a weakness, though, to take Brandy's words and make it more complicated. So I get some

mic time. No, that's not what I'm doing. I'm trying to say that whenever this has come up in

today's discussion, instead of saying that it needs to be put somewhere else because it's not the

point of view. Rather to say that improvements of the communication so that there's closed

loop communications, these are examples of accomplishments of how the DAC wasn't aware. Or

see, I don't like report saying negative. I don't like no and not in report. So that's the

hesitation. I don't think it has an import. I'm just saying like, well, and I'm suggesting that

instead of deleting things to actually have like an addendum to say, I'm just making a point of

saying, like, would be nice to know that they did that before the report. And yet so that and to

to staff. Yeah. And I'm saying, it doesn't since this is being presented publicly right now,

all of us are in a sense having this informal sort of update of things. But what's not presented

that I am suggesting might be is a line or something to say, just like there's line items of

some presentation that the things that weren't communicated according to the ordinance or as you

would expect. There was something that we discussed today that was this is what it says we should

do. So let's do it. And here we've come up with maybe four examples if we look back on the

recording of places where we're all finding out in this meeting that these have happened. So that

can be communicated in a way so that again, this template for the report sets a precedent for the

next for the next term of commissioners that they can say here's here's an example of we found out

when drafting the report that it was accomplished and the public didn't know because if we don't know

the public doesn't know is is the lens I'm bringing to the table as a new idea that wasn't discussed.

So not for editing line item editing things but as and not a section but as part of the tone of saying

not just accomplishments but these working this is a live working document and often what we've

experienced prior to 2023 is that it didn't matter that there was a voice that's that's the theme

of we've have a voice now it's important now the COVID happened this is the first positive

on time report from a very influential commission and we are finding out in the process of doing

reports that action has been taken. So there's some language there that in the presentation or maybe

that's something that Sylvia or I depending on if Sylvia is able to make it but that's something

to emphasize that came up as part of this discussion so that council's aware because although we're

talking about PMP committee earlier for extended time the council's now going to start the council

is the direct link to the commissioner being appointed at least on paper and so there's something

to capture there so that this report is now the template moving forward of the timeline how we

get it moved how we discuss it and as we learned from Mr. Dale last meeting that's why this meeting

has taken the liberty of having public comment that'll be available shortly to eight o'clock so I

just wanted a little past eight so I wanted to add that we never had a chance to discuss it in the

draft session when I was there. I think you've gotten a lot of feedback from us and that you can

share out any changes and your timeline or when you need us to get back to you. So I think

so I'll work with Chair Crowley on the next iteration of the draft. Steffi and I's goal is to

bring it back in December we'll call the final draft and we'll review this meeting and I'll meet

with Chair Crowley and make make the updates. And the final draft for our purposes if there's no

pictures and things that's just going to be determined as did not want to be included you know

there's this time between this meeting and next meeting so we've all had a chance to look at it

we've had this entire meeting this isn't over the public who has their comment to share but

at that meeting it's my intent to vote on it one way or the other so it's recorded

because there will be that change after the holiday to a new team. So we'll bring it back with

a recommendation to move forward to the PP&E. So hopefully we'll get right. Well I think we were

able to make some minor tweaks last time even after we approved. Yeah there'll be time for it.

And I guess while I'm meeting with Chair Crowley I will do a blind copy version of the

report so if you don't see an email from me give me a call but I will send it out I think I

got a response from everyone last time not that they made edits but that they acknowledged that

they received the report just because I think that'll be good if you can look at it and then

Commissioner Mercer was going to help me with some language help me translate it

for some of the accomplishments. Okay there's nothing further from you. Clerk are there

public comments on this item? Thank you Chair there are no speakers for this item.

Thank you. The last item in the discussion calendar to

it's listed in the print agenda as number four Golden One Center Transportation Management Plan

update. Yeah so City Traffic Engineer submitted to me the draft transportation management plan

and he requested that the the DAC consider appointing a commissioner to

partner with staff in the review of this draft so if you would like to appoint a commissioner

it's not a document that's going to be you know go to a lot of commissions or that

that sort of thing but given the involvement that the DAC has with respect to accessibility

to the Golden One Center he wanted to extend that opportunity so that's what's that's what's

being presented. Commissioner Mercer. So I noticed that there is not the plan that they've

submitted so we will be seeing that at some point. No no so this this part this if the

the commissioner that you appoint will work with staff on the review of the draft.

Okay so we'll see it after it's finalized. Yes and it says we need a commissioner. Do we need a

motion? We do yes thank you Commissioner Mercer that's what I was going to say I need to the

recommendation on this item is to pass a motion appointing a commissioner to participate with staff

on the review of the draft of the Golden One Center Transportation Management Plan. I just

wanted to follow up with Mr. Gothen that this would be the opportunity. So I have heard from different

commissioners in previous meetings that would be a good fit and I have a recommendation to make but

before I speak is anyone interested to self-nominate themselves or to identify themselves as wanting

to participate in this item before I I actually have a recommendation and a justification why yeah.

I'd like to have to recommend Commissioner Tucson Boyd. That was going to be my recommendation as well.

That's I mean motion from commission well I want to before we get into the motion I wanted to discuss

it and give context so from the time that Commissioner Tucson Boyd has been a commissioner and also to

her role in vice chair and chair this has been very much something that she's the most knowledgeable

about and so I feel that that's the best for the commission that was going to be my recommendation

and I don't typically like to do that but on this particular item considering the stuff we've

discussed in the report that would be my recommendation if she would like to participate. Any other

discussion or anyone else want to participate? I'm all for someone else wants to participate if this

is a great opportunity to work in tow with Commissioner Tucson Boyd and we have it on record. She's fully

capable of coming back to us and giving us updates and such. Okay with nothing further do you

before we vote on it Commissioner Tucson Boyd nodding your head so I have a motion from Commissioner

Mercer second from Commissioner Ellis. Clerk if you could vote. Thank you chair commissioners please

unmute for vote Commissioner Ellis. Aye. Commissioner Greenbaum. Aye. Commissioner Carr is absent

Commissioner Cramer. Aye. Commissioner Mercer. Aye. Commissioner Smith is absent. Commissioner Tucson Boyd. Aye.

And chair Crowley. Aye. Thank you motion passes. Clerk is there any members of the public who we

wish to speak on this item? Thank you chair there are no speakers for this item. Okay the next item

our agenda is staff report but we've spent the entire meeting doing that that's up to date

and moving on to Commissioner comments. Oh I'm sorry I'm sorry I got I got mixed up.

Oral Porto I did want to share one item and if Doug with IT can pull up there's a PDF regarding an

oral report out. There's a some new accessible parking that is going in at fifth and J and this

was a result of Phil Voulet who's managing the Fist Street two-way conversion project working with

City Traffic Engineering staff Joseph Garcia Long and the City Traffic Engineering identified this

as an opportunity because of the lane reallocation in the space it made room at fifth and J for an

for an ADA accessible an additional ADA accessible drop off and this will complement the existing one

that's part of the TMP that you'll see Commissioner Tucson Boyd. So so this striping just went in last week

Phil worked with the contractor along with Joseph and and then City Traffic Engineer David

Drausland brought it to my attention. So I think this is a result just of the awareness that you've

created around this issue and everything and it was it was like this is an easy win it's right off

of the freeway and so it'll be another another option and and then and then also the direction

was given to put in a an ADA compliant curb ramp so our staff is going to work on a curb ramp

that'll that'll serve that space. There is a there is a curb ramp at the corner but they're going

to they're we're going to put one in right adjacent to the to the space. So I I wanted to to share

that. Thank you. Next on the agenda Commissioner comments ideas and questions.

Commissioner Mercer. Thank you very much. I'm here tonight and it's a pretty good thing because

it looks like we might not have had a quorum if I hadn't been able to make it

which is not a good thing but I'm barely making it through this meeting and I did ask for

an accommodation from the City Clerk's office over on this and they reported that I would have

to be somewhere where I invited public to join me which is contraindicated for the type of isolation

that I was doing. I was very fortunate. I'm now at the end of that isolation period

but I wasn't supposed to have anybody within six feet of me during the highest point of that

isolation because it was not a danger to me but would have been a danger to them and so the idea

of going over and saying oh yeah I'm going to go to a public place and invite the public to join me

for my participation in this meeting so that I can meet brown act requirements

seems a little contraindicated by the decision that Commissioner T. Zamboy presented to us from

the state on what ADA accommodation should be for public meetings like this. I'm happy to get

out of the house. I'm happy to be here. I felt it was important because we didn't need to get

this work done. I'm grateful that I was here because we would not have had a quorum but this is

wrong and something's not adding up here because I know that there have been city council members

who have been remote for city council meetings who have had COVID and obviously they would not

want to be inviting the public to go and go over and join them. Maybe it's something

perform like I was supposed to just sit somewhere and pretend to invite the public to invite

to join me but I did not feel it would be responsible to do that and so my original plan before I

found out the scheduling of when I would be in isolation was not to attend this meeting and that

one to be a good thing. Commissioner T. Zamboy.

I'm going to cut out most of what I was going to talk about because we know we have

guests here that want to speak and I want to give them whatever time we can.

I don't know that all of the members of the Disability Advisory Commission are aware that the

PMP did approve changes in language that changed the structure of our commission to being from all

at large positions to being city council appointed positions. That's not going to affect any of the

people that are currently seated at the dius but going forward the seats will be occupied by

individuals appointed by city council members. That language also added two more seats appointed

by the mayor and added a seat appointed by the PMP to be a youth commissioner that raises our

number to 11 total. We currently have two well we have one known empty seat and commissioner

Smith has not come to the last three meetings has missed five meetings since being appointed in

January so I don't consider her an active commissioner it would be great if somebody from the

clerk's office could reach out and confirm whether or not she continues to she wants to continue

to serve but that being said commissioner Mercer is correct that if she was absent that ordinance

also changed and clarified what a quorum is a quorum is not filled seats it is existing seats

we've gone up to 11 seats three of which haven't been appointed mayor and youth we have a vacancy

that we know on a no show so if commissioner Mercer was absent we would not have been able to have

a meeting so for the purposes of this commission lack of quorum means we do not meet it doesn't just

mean that we don't vote we would have all shown up here and then not been able to meet so I want to

thank commissioner Mercer for being here. There is also a proposal before the PMP that's going to be

discussed at their meeting on 1119 at 11 a.m. if you cannot join I recommend that you

watch and or submit an e-commerce it is a proposal by council member valence wella that is

will be leaving office at the end of the year to clarify the process by which recommendations go

to the council so we've been talking about our report we've been talking about our recommendations

we've been talking about what happened in the past this is an effort by a council member that

does sit on the PMP to clarify and it would allow a commission to take up to two recommendations

to the full city council a year there seems to be some pushback by members of the PMP I heard one

city council member say I know that we have commissioners who have hurt feelings about their reports

I don't think it's hurt feelings I think you have committed dedicated educated knowledgeable

volunteers who are trying to make this city a better place and if you seat commissions then you

should empower them to be useful so I that's all I want to say because I do want to hear from

our friends from the Access Leisure Program thank you commissioner Ellis I just wanted to add my

thanks to commissioner mercer for attending tonight's meeting I was debating and I had to ask this

but I don't know if the clerk or anyone else can answer if there's like an attendance policy

because missing five meetings I knew of the three but that seems rather excessive I mean so and if

they're going to fill vacant seats it seems you know prudent to fill them all with active individuals

but that's all the question is attendance policy uh mr. Dale the last time that this was brought up

it was the attorney that responded do you have an update on that as you know it now

uh I don't know this there is there is in the code uh rules concerning uh attending meetings

I don't have it off the top of my head I can certainly uh let you know at the next meeting what

code says about attended meetings thank you thank you and the clerk does have the clerk's office or the

clerk do you have any comment yeah there is yeah I believe the attendance

requirements are in the council of rules and procedures which is provided um

I we can provide where that is to you from the clerk's office I can bring that information

back or we can get it to your staff um and then it also could be in the city code

where it talks about the individual commissions thank you I'm sorry yeah I don't have

any permission commissioner Tucson boy I just have one thing to add that was also updated during all

of those same PMP meetings that I attended so and while that was being discussed by the PMP they

weren't enforcing the three meeting rule now that they've adopted it but that was two or so

months ago so again just encouraging the clerk's office to you know follow up on on that we have

two known open seats those could go to council members that aren't being reelected they could start

appointing people now I could it's still a process um I can the the city code was recently updated um so

there is a section um that's been amended 2.408 I'm not sure if the updated ordinance is on

the online code yet it takes sometimes it takes a little while to get on there um but section A says

three absences from regular meetings in a calendar year is deemed good cause for removal

of a board or commission member from office under the provisions of section 232 of the Sacramento

City Charter and then it goes on to talk about the city clerk sending a written communication

after a third absences in a calendar year so um I don't know I don't know what it said before

so this is I think effective as a October so and I don't know what the the process is uh to to

follow up on that and if we can just make that an item for the short item to discuss so that there's

a closed communication as our last meeting for the year and um some of the existing commissioners

are aware but since the recent changes as uh we've been discussing right now I think that's a

priority and then the idea being shared is that in alignment with what we've discussed on the

report as that uh this meeting is then uh asking the city to the city clerk's office to take action

so that at the next meeting the commissioners who are holding seats can reach out to the council members

to identify uh action being taken to fill seats or whatever the new codes are to make it them

aware that's the point that we're advising that at this meeting we uh are aware of the changes we'll

discuss at the next meeting and that the commissioners um as a commissioner is uh at your discretion

of how much you want to participate at least just chair I'll reach out to all of the council members

to identify after meeting with staff um the appropriate way to relate to council the absences and what

we discussed as a uh commissioner comment um priority uh that's number one any other commissioners uh

commissioner uh Ellis you spoke already okay commissioner greenbomb uh and uh council rules

procedure chapter nine um section a uh absence as provided in the Sacramento city charter absence

from five consecutive regular meetings of the council unless excused by resolution of the council

operates to vacate the seat of um of the seat of council members so absent so effectively we've

we didn't have the nomenclature until it was discussed now in commissioner comments that we've

had three vacant seats i mean that's that's just a summary of you know impromptu it's not accurate

we'll discuss at the next meeting uh as i just uh the staff but but uh the idea being shared

and that called to action uh as a priority so that council is aware that they now need to take

an action with the publicly the public knowledge that there are council appointed seats that they

may not be aware of and we still have time we all have work to do before December comes

anyone else for commissioner comments so as a chair the idea and question i have because it is

alarming what the commissioner just shared commissioner merissa just shared so thank you for being

vulnerable and for making public the uh accommodation that was not reasonably met and there is a

burden to you so as your chair i'm very um it's unfortunate that i have to hear this and absolutely

without a quorum we would not have done the good work and this meeting would have been cancelled and

we still have plenty of things to talk about and the public will have uh their things to share

within the rules and so what happens in with people in the world of disability is that the rules

always bend to the general public for accommodations but when someone really needs it

this sort of comment is upsetting so what is something as chair that i'm able to do

since we don't have a staff 88 person and there is no 88 coordinator to lean on and it's

perhaps out of the scope because this is volunteer position what is a way for me as chair

to either work with staff or work with the city attorney or work with the clerk or all

to ensure that whatever this one example is and this is from my background in health care

and other disability agencies and nonprofits one complaint that i've never heard of on the council

is what commissioner merissa has shared so one complaint is one too many and as the current chair

i need to take action so i need support from the staff from the attorney and from the clerk of

my next step so that it's publicly known and then i can work with staff to bring it to the attention

of all leadership that that should have never been forcing the hand of a commission in the middle

of trying to get an annual report absolutely not so that is my number one we've covered what we

had to work with non thank you commissioner merissa again she did not have to disclose that

at all to anybody and it would have been business as usual so that's absolutely not acceptable

and it doesn't belong in a report so if there's something to share publicly that the staff the clerk

or the city attorney has for me then please make it known otherwise i'll just be following up

in the next several weeks before the next meeting and it will not be discussed at the next meeting

i'll reach out privately i'll send you the emails thank you anyone um staff and anyone else

okay so on behalf of everyone i apologize um because at the end of the day we are advisory to the

council and i i have no no qualms about saying the council is outraged and so i'll take that voice

that we have here and that's why it's important as commissioners that we all show up and be able to

support the agenda at hand that the council by ordinance and code expects us to serve with that

said thank you so much for everyone being patient in the public are there clerk are there

matters not on the agenda that have been submitted for public comment thank you chair yes we have

three speakers four matters not on the agenda our first speaker will be alan followed by jenny

and then peggy and if anyone would need a handheld mic please advise our clerk right here and we

can get a handheld mic for you thank you again for allowing me to speak in the report you

talked about um moving the agenda item of public comment to the start of the meeting

i i strongly encourage you to think about that this commission had done that in the past and

was doing that in the past it's awfully difficult for some folks with physical disabilities and

cognitive disabilities to sit here for two hours to wait to have to say something so i would

encourage you to consider moving that back up to the agenda and because transportation is a

barrier for people with disabilities publish it on the agenda just don't move it that day so they

know they're up first and can make the arrangements to be here so that's uh my ask of you to consider thank you

thank you for your comments jenny

hello good evening um i've talked in front of this commission before before i retired from the

city of sacramino i used to run the access leisure and adaptive sports programs for our yipsi

programs and after my retirement i was um kind of put into a situation where i'm finding out that

our programs will deprograms of access leisure and adaptive sports are in jeopardy and it's just

kind of we're getting a run around so we're coming here to you first because our next our next

step is to go to city council and try and get some answers because uh you know uh we have a

position that is our program coordinator position that runs all of our adult uh social programs and

that position is now empty the person resigned their position and we were told it was going to be

filled and it hasn't been filled because now it's a budget year and so it's it's they're kind of

moving things around and we're just not getting a straight answer and it's very important you know

that you guys know about the access leisure adaptive programs and the social programs because this

is the only opportunities that the city offers and we've been here for over 55 years running those

programs for people with developmental intellectual and cognitive along with you know physical disabilities

and now the uh veterans wounded injured in ill veterans and we're not providing quality programs for

the veterans and um most of our young adults and adults with physical disabilities those programs

are kind of in push aside and that program coordinator who used to run those adaptive programs

is now being forced to run the uh social programs and so it's kind of just this big cluster that we

want to just kind of put out there for you guys because you are our biggest advocates right now um for

our parents and our families and for those programs um so I have a few seconds left and this is uh

Peggy's shoes also one of the parents but um do you want to talk to you? I mean just

I'm going to um give my two minutes over back to Jenny

so um I doubt sure if you guys know about the access leisure programs

do you guys know a little bit about the social programs and the adaptive programs

we used to run um throughout the city as Sacramento uh wheelchair basketball quad-rug B uh

go-ball programs for visually impaired and legally blind um and also uh phishing programs and or

adaptive cycling programs and we included a lot of the wounded injured veterans and so now the new

policy that's been pushed onto that department um after my position was taken away when I

retired they actually took away that general rec general program supervisor position and move

access leader under a community center which has not been the best of positions for that program

because the person who is that person doesn't know much about specialized programs so that's why

I'm here talking on on their behalf but um they've put some pretty big requirements on the staff

where now their ratios are one and eight instead of one and four and they're told that they're um

they need to not do transfers and and I think some parents got a little concerned about transfers

it's not transfers from a bus or or whatever it's transfers from their their normal everyday

chair to an adaptive bike or an adaptive wheelchair or maybe the assistance in the restroom and we've

always done it you know two person uh transfers to be safe for both the staff and the participants that

we provided and now they're saying just one person can do it and I think that puts these programs in

great jeopardy of safety um and also they put a number of now with the adaptive programs there

has to be ten or more people you know at those programs in order for them to provide the program

well I don't know if you guys know this but it's really hard to get ten you know people that are

you know quadriplegics to play quad rugby it's hard to get ten people you know with paraplegia

to go play wheelchair basketball it's hard to get ten people to do adaptive cycling and on top of

that when you put those ratios in it just makes it really challenging for the staff and those programs

do exist thank you thank you for your comments chair there are no other speakers for this item

thank you clerk uh I wanted to before I adjourn make a general comment um we have done tremendous

work tonight everyone that's present and everyone who's listening and we'll be recording listening

to the recording later um long meetings uh are essential at time and long meetings like this are

essential to establishing the importance of why all of our voices need to be heard so I hope I did

everyone just as tonight to express yourselves in a way that can be reviewed and reflected upon

so that there can be institutional change I think the highlight of tonight is to know that there are

certain practices in the city that are moving in the direction that we all want to see them to go

and uh that was presented with um the working groups uh and that was something modern that hadn't

been done prior to 2021 effectively uh the other win is that there's been consistency in participation

of the commissioners that allow seasoned commissioners to help to transform the view and lens of an

work of a formal government advisory board advisory committee per se to reflect the stakeholders

that need us the most and when people are absent uh it's noticeable and when people are present it

is noticeable so I continue to insofar that I am your chair uh I'm very proud of everyone's

participation and patience and grace uh professionalism communication style and being willing to

explore what it's like to transform city government into a modern way through your role here

whatever that role is online in person e-comment it matters and there are people behind the scenes

that are working so hard to make sure that public comment and commissioner um commissioner advice

follows a path that it will be heard and there is time that it takes to do so so

in saying all that I'm saying thank you for indulging such an active public forum to get very

good work done so that the council can start to reflect this body and the people that we we are

representing in a more holistic way and to think outside of their own roles as council members

but to make sure that they keep the lens of the community at the heart of what they're doing

and uh we've accomplished that today so with that uh with all my um praise and congratulations

for participating in your civic duties and your role as um civil servants I call this meeting adjourned

I got so many just thank me for that