All right.

Good morning and welcome back colleagues and staff in all. I call this meeting of the

Law and Legislation Committee to order. We'll quick please call the roll to establish a

meeting of the Law and Legislation Committee to order.

Thank you, Chair.

I'm here.

We have a call.

Please stand if you are able. Please rise for the opening

Thank you Councillor Consland.

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Just the work that I do today.

Thank you.

and appreciation for Sacramento's Indigenous Peoples' history,

contributions and lives.

Remain standing, salute and pledge.

I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America

and to the Republic for which it stands, one nation, under God,

indivisible, the liberty and justice for all of us.

Thank you, Vice Mayor, and thank you everybody who's come out to participate.

Friendly reminder, if you wish to make common on any item, please turn in this

lip here in the front before we begin public comment on that item so we can make sure to call on you.

And with that, we will start with our consent calendar.

We have three items on consent.

Do either of my colleagues have any questions or comments?

On the consent.

All right.

It is moved and seconded.

All in favor, please say aye.

Aye.

Opposed?

I abstain. That passes unanimously.

So moving right along to item four, Councilmember Proposal request for committee consideration

to make revisions to the shopping carts ordinance.

We will start, I think, today because I see a lot of folks in the audience for this item with maybe public comment to get us going.

So, now, click, please call the members of the public.

Thank you, Chair.

We have five speakers for this item.

First is Randy Smith, followed by Lisa Sanchez, then Roland Brady.

You can line up in the aisle.

My name is Randy Smith.

I'm just on the outside of the East End of Sacramento City limits.

I've been participating many years removing shopping carts from wide variety of places, including in our creeks and waterways.

Driving down the roads, I see them on, you know, obviously on the roadside that late at night, they're dangerous locations.

I would urge to go forward with the revisions of this, the ordinance.

Thank you.

Thank you for your comment.

Our next speaker is Lisa Sanchez, followed by Roland Brady, then Ed Brez.

Before I begin, I just want to make sure that you guys have the photographs that I was able to submit for part of this.

If you could, yeah, if you could take a look at them and distribute them amongst yourselves while I give them.

So, you kind of understand where I'm coming from on this.

Thank you.

Okay. Hi, my name is Lisa, and I volunteer with River City Waterway Alliance, a group dedicated to restoring and protecting our waterways in Sacramento.

I'm here to give my support to the updated shopping cart retention plan that is before you today.

Not only have we removed 832 shopping carts from our creeks and waterways in the last year and a half,

we have come to find out how detrimental they truly are to our waterways.

They help, they, sorry, they help move massive amounts of debris into our creeks, rivers, and parkway.

And once they are no longer needed, they are carelessly discarded and left there forever.

They snag and catch plastic bags, clothing, tarp, and sleeping bags, which then bankrupt excess sand and invasive weeds that reduce the full flow capacity of what our waterways are intended for as a flow channel and outlet.

The number of shopping carts found in our creeks and waterways is surprising even to us, and each one poses a massive hazard to the environment as well as for flood control, which is a paramount, which is paramount in a flood zone.

Requiring businesses to be more proactive and accountable with their shopping carts is a major step forward to preventing them from making our way into our creeks, creeks, rivers, and waterways.

Requiring businesses to have a retention plan that includes fines and penalties, along with anti-theft devices, are two major changes that close loop holes that we're missing before.

We need them to be required on opposite wheels on the shopping cart to even be effective.

We also need your help to restore what has been damaged and we need your help to prevent further damage.

Please approve the updated shopping cart retention plan.

Thank you so much.

Thank you for your comment.

Our next speaker is Roland Brady, followed by Ed Price, the Mayor Baker.

My name is Roland Brady and I'm here representing the Sacramento Area Creek's Council.

I'd like to thank you for your consideration of this ordinance.

I do have a couple of concerns.

One is that the responsibility is placed mainly on the businesses and not on the people that steal the carts.

The possession of a shopping cart off of the premises is possession of stolen property.

I think there should be some sort of language that the cart can be immediately removed from the possession of somebody other than the legal owner.

My second concern is in section 5.8206060, which says it is unlawful for any person either temporarily or permanently to remove a cart from the premises,

with the intent to temporarily or permanently deprive the owner of the possession.

I would suggest that you strike with the intent because I doubt that anybody who rips off a shopping cart does so with the intent of depriving the owner of the use of that shopping cart.

In fact, I looked at state law.

I know you're interested in bringing this ordinance parallel to state law.

I've looked at some state law cases and it says it for this ordinance to be enforced.

You have to prove two things.

That the cart was removed from the premises and the remover had the intent to deprive the rightful owner of the use of that cart.

So if you strike that verbage right there, then it will bring it in line and it will eliminate this loophole, I think.

Thank you.

Could you provide that to the clerk so she could pass it off to our city attorney, please?

Oh.

The handout that you were for the state law.

Sorry, that might not be what you were meant to do, but just so he hasn't.

Yes.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Our next speaker is Ed Press, followed by Mark Baker.

You want to council members? My name is Ed Perez.

I'm president of the Ampton Sowner Association.

Our association represents nearly 1,300 households in North Determis in District 1.

I also trust the on recommendation district 1,000.

It's the Nettomas Basin flood control district.

I'm here in my personal capacity, but I wanted to mention my titles for context.

I'm here to urge your support to move item number four, preferably recommended action number two, to get this item to staff and get it to the council as soon as possible.

From experience having dealt with city staff on a number of community issues, I find it very important to give our staff and the city all the tools they need.

And this I believe is one of them.

We need to update the policy and ordinance to make sure that our staff have everything they need to enforce this issue with abandoned shopping carts.

We need to make sure that our community alone were in proximity to three grocery stores and a strip mall.

So this issue about abandoned carts is a very real issue for us.

In fact, on my way to work today, I saw a gentleman carrying five of them from different stores.

But again, there's another issue. But again, this is a very real issue.

So again, I urge your support in moving the proposed amendments to the ordinance.

Thank you for your comment. Our last speaker on the item is Mark Baker.

Hi, thank you for letting me speak.

I brought in a movie that I was going to show on my iPad, but the camera's not working.

So I'm going to try to make this relevant.

I'm Mark Baker with River City Waterway Alliance and the Sacramento Creek's Council.

I am showing a movie from Arcade Creek at Mary'sville Boulevard in the underserved Hagenwood neighborhood.

This parkway should be a playground for the neighborhood and instead it is a toxic waste dump with a creek running through it.

I have been cleaning the American River Parkway since 2017 and I started full time in 2020.

While planning one of my cleanup events, I approached the American River flood control district for cleaning up under 160 on the south side of the river.

They couldn't help, but instead they asked our volunteers if they could help an Arcade Creek at Mary'sville Boulevard.

They were doing remodel work in the area and they're not allowed to go actually into the channel and they had no idea who was responsible for going into the channel to clean it up.

There were over 63 shopping carts and 50 something tires in that 3-4 mile of the creek.

Our volunteers removed 135,000 pounds of trash from that creek in six different clean-ups.

Most of those shopping carts were buried many times. The wheels are just sticking out and it would take volunteers hours to dig those shopping carts out of the creek.

No one is responsible. We ask city utilities and everybody else to help. Nobody was responsible for that section of the creek.

I just shopping carts are a huge problem in our waterways and I'm hoping you will support this bill.

No more comments?

Great. Thank you everybody who came to speak and also for providing the powerful visual aids. I'll hold one up since I know we don't have the screen projector.

There's a lot of shopping carts and one big cleanup event.

Thank you for all the work you've all been doing as volunteers without funding or support to make sure that we're cleaning these up.

We'll now move to committee. This is a council member proposal by a council member Kaplan and Mayor Pro Temt-Talimantas.

Unfortunately, our rules mean that they don't get to come speak to us about their own ordinance.

We'll have our discussion and pick one of the five options to move forward.

Go ahead and buy some air.

Thank you chair.

I just really wanted to thank everyone who showed up today. This is an important issue.

I follow the University Waterway Alliance on social media and see all the wonderful work that you do and want to come out and volunteer too.

So hold me to that.

But I think it's a huge problem.

And I've seen it in just our everyday lives, not just in the waterways but also in other places in the city.

And so I think it's really important that we have this conversation here and now so as a council.

So I also want to appreciate the two council members that brought this forward as well.

The question I have which I don't know if it can be answered or not is just a process one about whether or not.

Because obviously the businesses are the ones that this is mostly going to be impacting and whether or not they've been contacted and had any discussions about some of these changes.

So I don't know if there's anyone who can actually answer that.

No, because the office is sponsoring offices.

Don't get to participate.

So one of the things we could do is part of direction to staff to draft something to bring back reconsideration would be to ask them to reach out to the different business groups that are impacted for feedback.

I think so. I think that would be a great suggestion to at least have the conversation with them because I would imagine I don't own a grocery store or another place that might have used shopping carts but imagine it's probably a big cost for them to have to replace those constantly if they're being taken and used in other ways.

It seems like it's something that would be in everyone's benefit both theirs and the communities to do something like this and to put to implement these changes.

But I do want to make sure that we are at least doing some outreach to them in advance so that they're not caught off guard and maybe they might have some suggestions that we don't even haven't even thought of.

And so I'll just leave my comments there and look forward to hearing from my other colleagues.

All right, Mr. Vice Chair.

I'm so much and I totally support getting more information from the grocers so we can actually see what their voice is on this whole matter.

And I'm looking at the options and one option just kind of jumps at me and it says pass a motion sending the matter back to the sponsoring council member for additional information.

I'm trying to understand is that the extent of that motion is there more to it after you send it back to them for additional information.

Would it then come back here for additional conversation or would it go then to the council for us to be able to have a collective conversation?

That's a great question. I don't know if I've ever seen a vote on that option and this is a new process as you know.

You know, my inclination was to look at my inclination is always to look at option one as much as possible because then we get staff input as well.

So like I'm really interested to hear what code thinks about this right because a lot of this is putting responsibility on code to enforce this in addition to the stakeholder feedback.

So we've done tweener motions here before and where we're like hey sponsoring council we could say hey sponsoring council.

Remember we want more information on this and hey staff we'd like you to bring back some analysis on what this could look like.

So if I hear you correctly you're saying we could take two of these motions and combine them into our motion or for direction to move forward and it could be two or more for that matter.

I'm going to say yes until Steve tells me now.

Honestly.

Thank you.

He's not in. We're good.

And I appreciate those who came forth with information today for us and let us know you know their involvement in this matter and the impact that it's had.

I took pictures of the pictures that were sent here because I had never seen that type of impact especially on our waterways.

I'm very interested in knowing more about the problem of this and so for me bringing anyone to the table who has additional information and has an idea or thought or input to it.

I'm very interested in having that conversation so we can then collectively make a decision how to move forward.

So what I'm hearing you say vice chair is maybe like option one option three combo like a councilmember sponsoring let's get some more information on who you've been talking to.

What the scale is of the problem that we know of because obviously something like this is hard to quantify these are volunteers who are going out in the riverway and by the way if you haven't done the cleanup highly recommend it's definitely I opening for the participating like so a lot of stuff down there.

But we could also say I'm inclined to include option one as well because I would like to get staff to work a little bit on this and to get their thoughts on maybe some ways that they would do this and what the impacts for them might be in consideration so maybe that's our motion is an option one three combo.

I totally agree and you know I'm a team player and we all understand the concept of team is together everyone achieves more so when we bring everyone to the table in order to be able to have their input and feedback into this matter we now know how to move forward as a collective.

So we are making a motion for option one and three I'm looking for more information from the sponsoring offices for the committee to consider as well as staff to work on this and bring it back to the committee so we can keep discussing and hopefully moving something forward.

So the only amendment I would make sure that motion is in a timely manner so I would like to put a time frame on it so that it's not one that ends up going into 2025.

So we say maybe one of our September long I have a sense of urgency and I see some applause out there in the audience.

So I think that's exactly I think we just need to put a timeline on it so that we all feel comfortable with.

How do you feel about the like by September at least an update item.

I love it.

Okay.

Update by September okay I'm just taking my own notes here okay cool so that is the my motion I guess is my motion with a second from the vice mayor.

Option one with combo option three with a hopefully report back to this committee by September even if it's an in progress report at least keep the ball moving.

Yeah it's okay to have a councilmember Jennings second since I thought it was his motion so I want to make it we can make him the main motion or two.

Okay.

All right so I have the motion and the vice chair is the second all in favor please.

All right I oppose abstention that is unanimous thank you all for coming.

We will see you back in just a couple weeks because September is going to be here before we know it because it's already almost August and I can't believe it.

All right moving right along to our final discussion item item five regarding repealing and adopting our military equipment use policy.

I see PD coming forward here I will tell colleagues just because I know emails were sent pretty late that there is a request from the commission for you to remit it on while we hear from PD to delay action until our next meeting since they just did their community meeting last night and haven't had a chance to review or provide us any recommendations.

I talked to PD I think we're good as long as we get this adopted by September 5th they're good so September we might be considering a motion to continue this to August 20 to give the police commission time to submit their request.

So I just want to put that on the table now for consideration and let PD just to speak on that.

I'm just concerned of the timeline is there if there are some gaps in there I know last year or something feedback from this committee was that we came to the committee too late and that was August 15th.

So I think moving this forward in the process as soon as we can is great I don't think that negates the working relationship we have with the commission and the input we take an

opportunity to improve the report this year from their last year's input so I don't think that will negate any of that if we do move forward today.

Okay well you go right ahead with the presentation thank you.

Good morning council members I'm Clay Buchanan I'm the captain over the police department's administrative division.

I'm here today to give an overview of the second our police department's military equipment use policy and annual report.

Before I begin I'd like to thank the Sacramento Community Police Review Commission providing recommendations to help us improve this year's military equipment policy and annual report.

I believe that working together that has improved our report and will continue to do so in the upcoming years.

We are asking to move forward the Sacramento Police Department's military equipment use policy in general order for 1006 and recent Sacramento City ordinance number.

This report is required by law but it was also part of our department's ongoing efforts to safeguard the people of Sacramento in a way that is professional accountable and open to the public view.

We have dedicated countless hours of staff time and creating this year's report to be fully transparent and we have made several changes to the report based off recommendations from council the community the Sacramento Community Police Review Commission.

ACLU and Missed International and the League of Women Vultures.

Since 2022 we received a total of 50 recommendations regarding our military equipment from various entities that I just mentioned.

Out of the 50 recommendations we fully apartually implemented 39 or 78% of those recommendations into this year's annual report.

Two of them or 4% of the recommendations are still under review and research and 9 or 18% of the recommendations we were unable to implement.

We cannot implement 5 of the recommendations due to legislative mandates, city codes, government codes or legal opinions.

For the recommendations we are directed to Mayor and council and we are not in a purview of the police department.

A few highlights of implemented recommendations include demographic reporting.

We added that this year based on feedback we got from the community and the commission.

Detailed usage reporting.

More defined authorization for each type of military equipment and detailed annual cost by military equipment type.

In collaboration with the Sacramento Community Police Review Commission a community meeting on military equipment use was held on July 22nd.

The city and the police department's public information officer advertised the meeting on all their social media platforms as well as a city and PD web pages.

The military equipment use policy and annual report along with the community survey were posted to the sec PD's transparency page late June and early July.

The survey will remain open for approximately two more weeks.

Several community members of the intensive supported this year's military equipment use report policy.

We also received feedback from community members that the appreciative update report format and details but we would like to see some additions in the next year's report.

Audits and findings. Since the inception of baby 41 in 2021 we have strived to provide the most accurate report.

As an agency with more than 160 years in the business of acquiring equipment this is a huge task to undertake and we pride ourselves in doing the most accurate job as possible.

It would be naive of me to say that we continually that we won't continually define corrections as we move forward every year.

But it is our commitment to the continue to provide accurate and transparent audits and inspections.

This year we asked the city's auditors auditors office to come in and examine our processes from top to bottom.

This allowed for independent auditing experts to examine our process and help us identify areas where we could improve.

The city audit report has not been finalized but it has already assisted us in improving our processes.

This year we conducted 12 internal audits and inspections. Out of the 12 four audits identified actual items for us to take.

Additionally we had six equipment inventory corrections. The inventory corrections that we identified were items that we possessed but we did not account for in the previous annual report.

These items were a pepper ball launcher, pepper ball light projectiles, 40 millimeter launchers, Humvee, Rifle Aminition and some handheld OC systems.

Usage details. This came from another recommendation about a demographics council district zip codes to our report this year.

In the report you will see that there are several pages that detail the incidents when military equipment was used.

The usage table includes police and council districts zip code demographics equipment used reason for use and how the incident concluded.

We had 324 incidents that involve military equipment and force was only utilize 17 times which represents force being used less than 6% of the time when military equipment is used.

There were total 324 incidents. 20 of those incidents of military equipment was solely used for an object or to gather evidence.

There were 115 incidents where military equipment was used but we were unable to locate any persons.

The three most common types of equipment used were un-cruid aerial systems which were utilized at 320 incidents, armored vehicles which were utilized on 130 incidents and long-range acoustical device which were utilized on 122 incidents.

These three items are primarily used to safely search, provide protection and to attempt a DSGLA situation and they represent 77% of total military equipment usage.

There were approximately 212 people that were directly involved in an incident where military equipment was used.

As a reminder force was only used 70 times, 70 times during all these contexts which potentially armed and fire that subjects.

155 of the subjects were arrested, 136 of those were arrested for felony charges, with felony fire arm possession, robbery, assault with a firearm resisting arrest and assault the death of the weapon being in the top 10 list of charges.

In this year's policy and report we included a more atomized total annual cost for each type of military equipment.

The total annual cost includes staff hours, training and maintenance costs.

Training and maintenance staff hours are already part of an employee's annual workload or schedule and staff costs are recorded any time an employee is utilizing a piece of military equipment during an operation, training or conducting maintenance.

Training equals proficiency and we want to ensure that officers are properly trained to use the use of this equipment to provide the safest response for a community.

I would like to highlight that these are ongoing costs in already budgeted for. These are not costs that are going to increase our budget or cost to purchase new equipment.

Proposed acquisitions. When asking for authorization for equipment we are asking for council's authorization to replenish items or purchase new equipment in the reporting period if necessary.

If the authorized equipment is needed in the reporting period then a memorandum is sent to mayor and council to purchase.

This means that just because items are authorized does not mean that they will be purchased.

Last year we did not purchase several pieces of equipment that were authorized when city council adopted the military equipment use policy.

The items that we did not purchase were 50 ECS bathful again a canister grenades, 340 millimeter impact rounds and one UAS.

This year's proposed acquisition cost is approximately $95,000. This is over $140,000 less than what our proposed acquisitions were last year.

The only new item that we are asking for here is a new model of an uncrewed aerial system.

We are asking to replenish 12 types of items. The replenishment of our inventory is vital and we have the necessary equipment for training and operational use.

These items need to be replaced due to expiration or they are no longer functioning or it is a consumable which has been expended.

The majority of our replenishment costs is coming from purchase and additional uncrewed aerial systems.

In conclusion we are asking to move this item forward to mayor and council.

This year's report is better formatted, more detailed, more transparent and will leave much more informative to the community.

Since we changed the format and gathered additional usage details such as demographics, next year you can plan on adding comparative reporting which I know has been requested from the community and the council.

I want to thank my team, Lieutenant Jeff Sharachi, Sergeant Jacob Kasella, Administrative and L.S. Page Brano and Reserve Officer Bob Mueller for their countless hours of work on this year's annual policy report.

Thank you for your time and we are available to answer questions that you may have.

I don't know if folks have any quick questions while the captain is up here but I did want to ping before you walked away.

I would still like a list of the recommendations that have been adopted and haven't been adopted and we talked about that last week and I would love to see the breakdown of which ones were adopted.

And then you rattled some numbers about the total number of incidents per type of equipment. Is that available somewhere in the report?

Yes, we could break it down and I think the confusing part there is 324 incidents and one incident, multiple pieces of equipment could be used.

The total usage is different but the incidents we have, those numbers we could break them down specifically to each one. We actually have a table so we could send it to.

I saw that. I wonder if you had the aggregate though of how many times we use UIS versus armor vehicles.

Yes, we do. We do have that.

Thank you.

I would love that.

Thank you.

Does anybody have any quick questions for the captain?

I just really want to say I appreciate I actually have the opportunity to go to the community meeting last night and listen in.

I want to appreciate the public for participating, the police review commission and the MPD for working together to do that.

I did receive the email just 20 minutes ago from the police review commission members about the desire to have their report come out.

And as for that before we move this forward, I'm inclined to lean that direction just because I really want to hear and see.

I left a little bit early so I want to make sure that I know what all came from the public and then we can take a look at all of those things including some of the things that chair balance was just brought up.

I'm just grateful for the work and I know that you also did a lot of work to make sure the report was a little bit more easy to read and capture some of the information I know that can be quite dense.

I appreciate that and it's a work in progress so I think we'll keep it'll be an iteration every year.

Thank you, Rice Mayor.

I'm quick. We have public comment on this item.

Thank you, Chair. We have two speakers.

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Ah, okay, I'll try to modify so I can include that.

Hi, my name is Diane.

I represent Amnesty International and also myself.

I live in Rick Jennings district.

Human rights are very important to our community and each weapon should be evaluated for both its utility

and its potential to harm community members or traumatized neighborhoods.

I really appreciate the efforts that the police department has made to fix the report this year

and add a lot of things that's beautifully expanded with demographics.

But the SAC PD simplified the use policy, GO 410.06, a little bit too much.

They removed the list of authorized uses and prohibited uses.

And instead referenced only the names of related city general orders and reference manuals.

And this is the opposite of transparency.

If a person in the public or a city government official or even a police officer wants to see the rules for this potentially dangerous equipment,

they now have to look up each general order or reference manual and sometimes even locate state or federal policies.

Then the inquire will need to comb through these policies to find the sections that relate to the use of that particular equipment.

Some of the policies are heavily redacted.

Approved uses and excluded uses must be restored to the military equipment use policy before it goes to city council.

Not next year, it must be done this year.

It just to give you a quick example.

Last year the the lead filled supersonic bean bags.

They had purpose uses of self-destructive and dangerous combative individuals.

Civil unrest and I'm sorry incidents potentially vicious animals, etc.

This year we have the uses listed as use of this equipment.

Thank you for your comment. Your time is now complete.

Thank you. Our next speaker is Keon Bliss.

I'm here as chair of the Sacramento Police Review Commission.

I would like to thank council member Maple for attending and listening to the community's concerns during the community engagement meeting last night as well as Lieutenant Shireashi and Captain Buchanan,

who gave an informative presentation and were very thoughtful and considerate in their responses.

I appreciate the chair's action in moving to delay and offering to delay the consideration until we complete our report.

I'm really here to urge this committee and council as a whole to prioritize community voices in considering updates and adopting this policy based on this report.

I think it's crucial to understand and understand to understand the community's concerns and ensuring that all voices are heard, especially those that are impacted and traumatized by this military equipment, which the report actually shows more than 50% of the usage in 2023's reporting period was against black and African American residents in the city.

And that's why I find it kind of a bit concerning that we're bringing it up less than 24 hours after the community engagement meeting.

I don't think this is just in particular individuals, but I think it's more of the culture of Sacramento Police Department's leadership that sees to rush this, even as we were trying to move this meeting and really expand the time that we had to engage community members much earlier as early as March as when we began having these conversations.

We still have 22 recommendations that are outstanding, some of which the department has met in the area of demographic reporting and listing out the usage incidents, but stakes to step back as the previous speaker had just highlighted as well as with the visual data that can be added in.

I don't think there's anything that's preventing the department from doing this before the deadline to approve this policy. I think the council should.

Thank you for your comment your time is now complete.

Chair, we have no more speakers on the item.

All right, thank you. Thank you. Everybody who came especially two days in a row. Thank you for your last night. You came back this morning and I appreciate the engagement there.

And I do want to add my compliments to the department for the continued improvements to this process. Like I'm seeing the iteration every time we do it a little bit better.

Maybe next time like is the chair mentioned we start community engagement a little bit earlier so we enter into this hearing I appreciate you coming along ledge earlier so that it's not.

Hey, we got to prove this for council next week or we're done.

But we actually have the chance to be thoughtful and ask some questions but I would be helpful to give the commission a little time to provide their recommendations so that we can consider all of that at once.

I will reiterate what the chair just mentioned I was really appreciative of the demographic data and also incredibly struck by what that data told us you know over 52% of incidents of military equipment used work in

American residents of the city. I will also add that about one third of incidents were used against people who were 24 and under which does raise a lot of questions and concerns for me about policies.

How are we looking at you know search of a wanted suspect are we making this name determination across all incidents is that happening more frequently in certain zip codes versus others.

I think that's a good question.

I don't know the answers to those questions but I appreciate the department's willingness to be transparent about that because I'm sure you notice that too and probably put these charts out there saying this isn't going to look great but I think this is how we start an important conversation.

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And I would also like to say give a very nice turn over about.

If that's in the motion, if it's in the movement of a motion,

I would second that right now.

And so I don't know if you've made that.

Oh, yes, that is my motion to first one to the point.

Thank you.

I would second that right now so we can,

I think that works for everyone at this point in time.

So I think it would give us more time

to get the community input that we want to get as well.

And I just wanted to kind of say to the two speakers

who were up here, you had a lot of information

that you wanted to give.

And unfortunately, our two minute time frame

doesn't allow you to get all of that information out.

And yet we're looking for community input.

And so with that said, there's always the opportunity,

because I saw you had notes to be able to get your notes

to us so we can read them in their entirety

and or have a conversation with you

to better understand what it is that you didn't get

chance to say.

So I just want to make sure you know that that option

is available to you.

Thank you, Vice Chair.

That's a great reminder.

And I know all of our inboxes are open.

And we do our best to review all of the stuff as we walk in.

As I said, I got the email from the commission.

Was that 10th, 15 that you sent that can?

I was like, ah, hurry up and get everything done.

But OK, that's the motion that's

seconded on the table to postpone to August 20th

so that we can include on that agenda

the police commission's recommendations

for this policy not seeing any more comments.

I'll go ahead and call a question.

I'll in favor, please say aye.

Aye.

Opposed?

I'm standing that motion passes unanimously.

Hoo, back from recess.

I know how to do this, I promise.

All right, thank you all for your engagement.

Again, thank you, PD, for your continued improvements

to this process.

I'm seeing us moving in a good direction.

And I appreciate all of the participation around the room.

All right, that is it for our agenda.

Do we have any committee comments, ideas, questions,

off agenda?

Nope, it's not seeing any.

Madam Clerk, we have public comment off the agenda.

We have one speaker, Keon Bliss.

Hi there.

I'm here just speaking as an individual resident

and committee member.

This isn't just a matter of the talk about security

when it comes to these meetings.

I've been coming to city council and standing committee

and commission meetings for many years now.

And a lot of times I notice, and one of the things

that I've learned both living as a black man,

and like within the United States and in Sacramento city,

that oftentimes people who look like me

are especially targeted and versus vision oftentimes.

And that's usually by security at all levels.

Not just from the police department, but also from even private security.

And I was just noticing how a lot of these standing meetings

before don't usually require metal detectors

or security measures for members of the public to come in.

That's especially true for commission meetings.

I've been doing this for all going on for years

and never had any security.

And I appreciate the lack of metal detectors

because I don't think it's actually necessary

in order for us to be safe and keep each other safe.

That said, I just want to note that when those

like when those measures are put up,

that presence alone cannot enact as a deterrent

for members of the public to actually be interested

or want to participate within this.

Not that they don't want to, they're not interested

in participating, but it discourages participation.

Just by that very presence.

And like you all to consider that,

I know you have it at full city council meetings.

I'm curious to know whether that's required by law.

But I'm just noticing that especially for conversations like this

when we're talking about community and policing issues

and the relationship law enforcement has with community.

If you're wanting to bring more folks who don't often

time show up at community engagement meetings like last night,

think about how we're presenting that,

especially when it comes to.

All right, thank you for your comment.

Thank you for the comments

and everyone who participated with that, we are adjourned.

1141.

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