Good evening. Welcome to the Monday, September 16, 2024, 5.30pm meeting of the Measure

U Community Advisory Committee. The meeting is now called to order. Will the clerk please call

the roll to establish a quorum? Thank you, Chair. Members, if you could please unmute your microphones.

Member McGee is currently absent. Member Sala? Here. Member Maseus? Here. Member Wolfe? Here.

Member Johnston? Here. Member Gores? Here. Member Rosales? Here. Member George Off? Here.

Member Hogege? Here. And Chair Dickinson? Here. Thank you, we have quorum. Thank you.

Oh, my apologies. I need to note that Member Paschal is absent.

Thank you. I would like to remind members of the public in chambers that if you would like to speak on

an agenda item, please turn in a speaker's slip when the item begins. I don't believe this applies

to our presenters, correct? No. Okay. So it does not apply to our presenters. Otherwise, for other

members of the public, if you would like to speak on an agenda item, please turn on a speaker's slip

when the item begins. You will have two minutes to speak. Once you are called on, after the first

speaker, we will no longer accept speaker's slips. We will now proceed with today's agenda.

Like I just asked people to stand if they were able for the land acknowledgement and pledge of

allegiance. To the original peoples of this land, the Nisanan people, the southern Maidu valley,

and Plains Mewok, Pat Wintun peoples, and the people of the Wilton Rancheria, Sacramento's only

federally recognized tribe. May we acknowledge and honor the native people who came before us

and still walk before us today on these ancestral lands by choosing to gather together today in the

active practice of acknowledgement and appreciation for Sacramento's indigenous peoples' history,

contributions, and lives. Thank you. Please remain standing for the Pledge of Allegiance.

A Pledge of Allegiance will apply the United States of America and to the Republic for which it

stands one nation indivisible with liberty and justice for all.

Our first business today is item one approval of the consent calendar and approval of the committee

agenda log. Oh yes I have no speaker slips for the consent calendar. Thank you.

Are there any members or commissioners who wish to speak on this item? Seeing none is there a motion

and a second for the consent calendar. All motion? Member Hojige?

Aye, George. Oh, I remember George, I'm sorry. All second.

Member Hojige, thank you. I have a motion as second. Will the clerk please call the roll.

Thank you chair. Member McGee is absent. Member Salah?

Yes.

Member Maasius? Yes.

Member Wolfe? Yes.

Member Johnston? Yes.

Member Gores? Yes.

Member Rosales? Yes.

Member George Off? Yes.

Member Hojige? Yes.

Member Paschal is absent and Chair Dickinson?

Yes. Thank you.

Thank you.

Oh, can I, it was for the last meeting. I was in at the last meeting.

You can go abstain.

Thank you.

Thank you.

With that change, the motion still passes.

Thank you.

We will now proceed to the discussion calendar.

I'm really excited about this item three, which are results and lessons learned from select participatory budgeting pilot program project implementation grantees.

And I want to welcome and thank all of our grantees who are here tonight and we're looking really looking forward to hearing from you.

Staff, should we just jump in?

Okay.

Um,

we have a list.

Our first presenter would be Christopher Robinson from Blueprint.

Good evening all.

It's good to see you all.

I definitely was not trying to go first, but we're here.

Um, I have five minutes and it's starting now.

All right.

So my organization is called for your epiphany.

I'm the founder and CEO.

We were incorporated in 2012.

Um, as of 24, we've served as of 2024.

We've served over 10,000 educators, professionals, urban millennials, um, and staff educators.

Um, we've facilitated over 10,000 hours of service.

Um, and 700 hours in class in academic systems.

Now, I'll get to details on that in a second.

At four year epiphany, we use culturally relevant and innovative approaches,

connecting youth educators and professionals to a limitless future.

How do we do that?

Our core values.

21st century skills, so should we most learn it and grow mindset.

Right.

So through those core values, our vision is to implement strategy skills and tools

to make education and success equal for all.

Our philosophy, which is the most important thing that we do, is to help people

fall in love with themselves in their dreams.

100%.

Um, and as a result of our philosophy, confidence and behaviors improve,

dreams and strategies are created.

Hope is converted into faith and people want to help and join.

Um, I'm a Sacramento native.

Third generation.

My grandparents moved here via the military in 1964 and I love this place with all my heart.

I went to schools in the United States and graduated from Cordova,

Fulson Cordova Unified, attended Los Real Systems, I worked at the United States.

I raised my kids here.

I've been in District 2 for going on 12 years.

And I have a very, very loving kind place in my heart for

District 2 and Sacramento.

With all of that being said, I'm sharing the context of the organization because I'm from here.

And so the work that we've done is 100% in context connected to me.

The last grade I graduated on time was in third grade.

I had a terrible fourth grade teacher who was super rude to Black boys said that we can never be successful.

Never going to make it.

We're not capable or not worthy.

And that's where all of the context of our growth mindset and social remote and learning

works comes from, right?

I didn't realize I was capable of being successful until I was 25 years old.

So our job is to help young people navigate social experiences and be able to step into the best

versions of themselves.

So we created a program called Blueprint.

And I must say we had to pivot a little bit.

We were going to work at MLK, the principal left.

So we decided just to go out into the community, grab babies and bring them to a location.

And so Blueprint was twice a week, 12 workshops total, two cohorts, no more than 60 students with

the goal of transformation and empowerment.

Let's see.

You guys have specific questions.

What activities did we do?

So again, 12 workshops focused on self-actualization,

intrinsic motivation and self-care.

With the hopes of improving students' communication skills and encouraging them to be

and encouraging them to be agents of change.

So here are some of the results.

Improved staff and culture campus, improved staff and student culture on campuses and classrooms,

improved communication skills, decreased behaviors, better attendance.

I think we had an 80% plus graduation rate for the kids actually exiting whatever grade they were in.

We worked with fifth grade to high school.

Increased soft skills, growth mindset and social and emotional learning.

The development of mentoring relationships and individual supports.

A safe and supported climate and culture on campus.

This is an email that I want to read from one of the teachers that had a majority of our students

in the 23-24 school year and I'll end with this piece.

I didn't get a chance to thank you, Mr. Chris, but thank you.

You have poured so much into these kids and whether it had not been vocalized or not,

they appreciated and got their wheels turned on.

I'm so grateful to have you to have been able to share and grow my space with you.

I truly believe you make a positive impact in everyone.

I truly believe you make a positive impact in everyone and every life you

encourage with the hope to be able to work together again in the near future.

So again, our goal was to help the babies right, the babies,

because take responsibility for them.

Just to develop their own sense of success and their own identity.

And we did that in the 2023 school year through growth mindset,

social and emotional learning and mindfulness practices.

And I got five seconds left.

Thank you guys.

Thank you.

Well, if you can stick around, we'll have questions at the end of everyone's presentations.

We'll do.

Thank you so much.

Next, we have Jordan Blair from the construction trades workforce development programs.

Welcome. Thank you.

Thank you.

My name is Jordan Blair and both a chief executive officer for the Sacramento Regional

Builders Exchange in the construction industry education foundation.

I think I have a couple of slides that are going up.

Perfect.

So CIF exists in power students to pursue careers in the built environment.

For context, SRBX was founded right here in Sacramento in the year 1901.

For familiar with the associated general contractors, the California Building Industry Association.

Those are all spin offs that started right here in the Midtown Downtown Core.

We used the funding this year for three different programs.

We looked specifically at what we call our trade state program.

You'll see photos on the screen.

We take over a Cal Expo in the middle and we do hands-on career exploration with students.

The reason why we do hands-on career explorations, we try to build confidence and show different pathways

to successful careers within the built environment.

We think it's just important for the student that's sitting in a classroom today in wood shop

that wants to build a hospital as the doctors and nurses that are going to work in that hospital.

We think it's just important for a student that wants to grow up and become an engineer and build a

courthouse so we can talk about social justice as those judges that are sitting in that courthouse.

And we think it's really important that students feel rewarding and successful in building houses

that are going to become the homes that we all hope to go home to every night and build memories

with our families. So that's really where we are, this pendulum swing about empowering the next

generation to take pride in what they're able to accomplish using their hands.

So pretty much everything that we do is hands-on learning.

We particularly focus on high school youth on the CIS side, but we've found there's a lot

about recruit and retain. It's important not just to introduce students to these opportunities,

but also work with those that are currently in the construction industry in the built environment

to make sure that they're prepared for the next generation. And we think back what did our

grandparents and great grandparents say about those that went to woodstock, right? Every generation

is different and it's important that we prepare the current generation decision-making positions

for that next generation that's coming in. Through our trade stay, we served 300 middle school

students and 1,204 high school students this year. 218 were from the target area of Northeast

Sacramento. We did find a couple challenges while there's no cost to any student, no cost to any

school that participates in our programs. Some of those did have some more challenging opportunities

with transportation. We weren't able to get transportation grants out to them in time. So we

actually created the middle school trade stay at the Capital College and Career Academy off Del Paso.

And brought it closer together as opposed to trying to get everyone across the freeway to

CalExpo. A couple of the outcomes, 98% of the students rated the experience as highly positive.

96% of them said that it allowed them an opportunity to take a closer look at construction

skilled trades. 93% of teachers showed support for trade stay and said that they would anticipate

telling others about the opportunity. That's kind of our first hands-on if you will

introduce into it. It's kind of a low barrier. We will be returning to CalExpo next month. We have

I think 6,800 or 68 companies. We have over 1900 students that are registered. So from 1200 to

1901 year, the programs are growing pretty substantially. And the industry is seeing it as well.

They're wanting to invest and they're wanting to engage with the next generation. Next up on your

screen is our design build competition. If you read the Sacramento Bee, you may have seen the

first-pronter Jennifer Newsom up on the left building there. That was actually built by a school

just across the river in West Sacramento. But through the design build competition, we challenged

high schools to build a structure over two days. They do four months of planning to come together

and build a continuous river college. We also challenged them to build with purpose. So some of the

schools built tiny homes, Chico High School built a tiny home for a woman that lost her house

and the paradise fire. We have schools that are doing micro homes for homeless veterans. We have

schools that have built for the Sacramento Zoo storage facility. So we always try and encourage them.

Again, there's no cost industry and thanks to measure use supporting all of the costs that go into

this. You also see States Superintendent Tony Thurmond up there at the top that made a visit.

So we're really, since we added this build with purpose, find out who your end user is, the quality

has gone up a lot. And again, it gives them a sense of pride and joy that they're building something

that's going to be in our community ongoing. Through this, 93% of the students rated their

experience with the design build is highly positive. 86% had notable impact. Their instructors said

that they saw a notable impact from the competition on their students. And 81% of the students

said that they found valuable connections with industry, gaining information on jobs, apprenticeships,

internships, and inner opportunity, mentor opportunities. Our last one is the create competition.

This one presented a few more challenges for us because each high school acts as their

general contractor. We put industry in the classroom. We coach. We mentor them.

And this one was just a little bit tougher as far as the start up in year one with some of the

schools that were outside of traditional schools that we would have been working with. And so we pivoted

and that's what we came up with middle school tradesday. But through those that went through the

program, 86% said that they gained leadership skills and experience. So with that, thank you

to measure you. I thank you to the City of Sacramento for providing these opportunities to the youth

and for us to work with them. Thank you.

I'm going to defer to Vice Chair Sala.

Hi, good evening and thank you all for being here. So I'm going to introduce the

Garland Northgate neighborhood association. They received a grant for cleaning and greening.

And the presenters Roberto Ramirez, who's the vice president of Garland,

Northgate neighborhood association. He also was one of the lead persons responsible for

the execution of the grant as well as the implementation.

Great. Thank you all. Happy to be here. My name is Roberto Romero.

Unfortunately, my co-partner or project manager could not be here because she's going through

a master's program. So let's get started.

Sorry, I pushed that forward or back. Oh.

Staff, if you could please pull up the PowerPoint slides for 3D.

Garland Northgate neighborhood association. Thanks to be here.

So the Garland Northgate neighborhood association was established in 1996 by my parents.

It's a vibrant organization that we take pride in, great pride in our neighborhood.

We have a vision to enhance our neighborhood through collaborative efforts,

economic development through the Northgate mobility plan,

beautification of projects, communications, through trying to get community involvement.

And I'm very happy to have worked with you all to get to solve on board and started.

Garland is a welcoming and inclusive place for everyone.

Initially, the project got jump started. We took advantage of the Amazon Black Friday

sale, saved the city a bunch of money and bought it and purchased it in our supplies.

Adrian and I worked diligently and getting it all off on board and getting it started.

While managing the C&G grant, yeah, we did save them a community money.

And we're just happy to try to get everybody on board to be as energetic to getting our streets

clean within a Northgate Garland community. Engagement was done through social media,

fires, soccer games, coffee, bulletin shops, and through word amount of the G&E and A meetings.

Garland Northgate association was a little worth the grant. As I said, Adrian and I were the project

managers. We formed community cleanups within our assigned district along with the G&E and community

volunteers. We provided supplies, lunches to show our appreciation to all the volunteers.

Our goal is to create a cleaner connect community and we were grateful for everyone to do that.

As a personal person of the community, I always state that the district council people

are managing but as a community member, I believe it's up to the community in a whole

to get us and to get it all ready and do it all together. So I take great pride in trying to

gather my other community members to try to make our neighborhoods a good community to support

the district three members. Strategize originally we strategized and that took

planning of the set of location. We set a date and created a flyer. We spread the word through

collaborative local groups meetings, flyers, engagement through partners and local groups.

We provided basic supplies and safety gear for everyone that was participating. We delegated

tasks, celebrated and thanked all the volunteers. In end, we discussed ways to improve and reflect

on past cleanups, discussed new strategies for volunteer participation, identify tools, plans for

sustainable practices and long-term impact moving forward even after the grant was completed.

Some of the pros we faced are ahead, we're tangible and targeted cleanups. We had nine cleanups

throughout the district that we were allowed in and we saw significant changes in those cleanups

and impacts that were greatly appreciated by the stores and the neighborhoods. We had youth

engagement where we reached out to the youth, provided stipends for them to help to build on

helping out. Volunteer appreciation was crucial without the volunteers and the other members of

the G&A. We couldn't do it. There was times when it was just really rough weather and whatnot.

Community building, the community served as a platform for us residents to connect work

together and build stronger community ties. Some of the challenges we faced were a limited

volunteer help. Some people would come. Of course, we had a lot of challenges with having just

people come out at times. It was a little tough. I'm welcoming Unhoused residents. There was an

incident where a Unhoused residents dog attacked a volunteer and we just had to be cognizant of

being respectful, treat our Unhoused residents as we would want to be treated.

Weather challenges. I'm telling you every day from January and through May, it's stormed like

you wouldn't believe. That didn't stop us from going out there. I didn't want to make that

be an issue. So we were out there rain or shine and then that latter set summer months it was hotter

than all hot. So yeah, serving demographics, we took the list of people's ages, language,

race, and the city gender identity. We maintained surveys for that. We also asked questions

moving forward. How we can stay connected. What the volunteers wanted to see and how could

further help them build them forward. Moving forward, G&A completed all nine clean-ups with a lot

of time frame. G&A is working to adopt a street. We are working with the Sacramento Area Council

of Readability and Canary Reform and Efforts just to get things continuously going. And finally,

that's just a great big thank you to all. I appreciate the time you've had.

As soon as the questions are won already, thank you.

Thanks so much. Appreciate that.

Next presentation is from Heather Hate, mentoring and recreation leadership internship

for high school youth. Thanks for being here. Thank you for having me.

We can get the presentation for three E.

Okay. Thank you for having me. My name is Heather Hate and I would like to share briefly

the ways that measure you impacted the greenhouse community center through teen internships this

past year. But first let me start by telling you a little bit about the greenhouse.

The greenhouse started in 2002 to bring support and resources alongside of community members

on the bustling city block in Gardenland, Northgate, by Northgate Boulevard, El Camino in between

El Camino and Garden Highway, which at the time was home to 567 youth living in high density,

affordable housing units, rich in ethnic and cultural diversity, including many immigrant

communities, all on one city block. So the greenhouse community center opened in response to parents,

grandparents, families and youth who all said they would love a place dedicated to providing homework,

help and mentoring relationships for young people. Over the past 22 years the greenhouse community

center has built robust programs to do just that. But we identified over time that a gap began to

exist essentially having a difficulty keeping our oldest youth engaged or 10 through 12th grade

teens. So we had a retention issue. After a listing campaign hearing from parents and youth

in the community we did learn that providing teens with skills that would help them prepare for

college and careers while earning money and receiving mentorship would interest them in staying

around. And prior to measure you we had established summer internships but we're only getting started

in retention of 10 through 12th graders. And thanks to measure you we were able to extend those

summer internships into year round internships that started last fall offering 14 youth 45 hour

recreational leadership internships during two sessions in the school year September 2023 to January

2024 and February 2024 through May 2024. Our interns receive training and mentorship, hands-on

volunteer experiences in which teens served as mentors to elementary or middle school aged youth

with greenhouse after school programs. These components also provided teens with a strong base

of personal mentoring a chance to develop skills and build their resumes and have a meaningful

opportunity investing in younger youth in the community. They also were very eager to receive their

$400 stipend at the conclusion of each internship session asking me days in advance and knocking on my

door ready for those checks. In this image you will see teens from the neighborhood who are

recreation leadership interns investing in younger kids who they once were years prior. They

provided opportunities to learn and grow through workshops such as painting and art, physical

development like boxing and sports and engaging with them intellectually through homework help and

time reading together. Some observations we had from this last year is that internships are very

meaningful ways for 10th-ere-tealth grade students to come and stick around. Teen start asking

before the next internship starts when is it coming? When can I sign up? When can I get involved?

They develop workshops that they are so proud of including some that you see here because they

remember themselves being in the positions of the youth that they are investing in and they

remember somebody who mentored them and invested in them. Artines deeply appreciate mentorship.

They love having consistent people in their lives who are there for them who will help them prepare

for a workshop or help them fill out a college application or scholarship or join them on a college

tour or to join them on a tour of a local business that has future employment possibilities.

They appreciate new networks that have opened up to them, expanded resumes and some who even have

been hired through their internship. We had 17s in our greenhouse graduation event of those six had

been interns and all had invested their time in giving back to the community. Of the graduating

seniors pictured all that one has started at a local college or trade school and are better prepared

due to the internship program and mentoring relationships. So thank you, Mejore, you, for your

investment in our teens in our community this last year.

Next we have Dujie Chang, Narelto neighborhood cleanup and mentorship program.

Welcome. Good evening. Before I start I would love to ask for an extension of the five minute

because I've allowed some of my youth to speak tonight and I'm just afraid we might go over the

five minutes with your permission and if not it's okay. Yeah, we have a big awesome. Thank you so

much. I truly appreciate it. I don't want them to come down for without a chance to say something.

Okay, awesome because it's for them. A lot of them. It's on their first time here and I really

appreciate that. So good evening. Mejore, you advisory committee, city staff, CBOs and community

members. I'm Dujie Chang, director of programs at High Poo. Thank you for the opportunity to be a

part of this pilot project which has allowed us to expand our work, create impactful experiences

for youth and families and unite communities to clean up our district like never before. This

funding reflects what Sacramento residents voted for and as a D2 resident I am proud to witness it.

Our project YMC neighborhood improvement is a prime example of city community collaboration.

To start, High Poo is a grassroots organization revived by North Sacramento parents in 2012

to preserve moon culture and language. After opening our first community center in 2019,

we expanded to support under-resource and marginalize communities in the greater Sacramento.

Our YMC neighborhood improvement project is a five month program where students received a

stipend to lead monthly cleanups, report Blight via the city's 311 app and educate residents

about city resources. Our goals were to combat Blight, introduce youth to local government and

instill pride in improving our community. Here, our youth met with city staff to gain deeper

insights into the reasoning behind certain codes and strategies to address illegal dumping. A special

thanks to all the city staff who took their time to educate our youth and provide compulsions.

Each youth completed at least 40 hours of programming along with by monthly 20 minute mentorship

session resulting in a combined total of 948 hours across all participants. Rain or shine,

we held monthly cleanups in the Norato area. By the second cleanup, our youth were trained

to canvas the neighborhood sharing educational city resources. Our efforts caught the attention

of Governor Newsom's Clean California initiative with CalTrans leading to a community cleanup day

where additional community members helped clean Johnson Park. From this event, 59.2% of participants

vote residents were unaware of city services. But 62.2% saw the strong collaboration between the

city and the community. The YMC neighborhood improvement program collected 798.02 pounds of

litter distributed 1384 code enforcement and solid waste brochures and made 139 reports to 311.

We'd have 66 youth, which where 74.2% of these are mong descendants express interest in the program,

but we could only accommodate 20. Hypo is now one of the 20 clean California communities

committed to keeping our area clean. Now I like to introduce our youth who are seniors or

Grant Union High School to share their experiences. Good evening. My name is Molly Lour and in UMC

neighborhood improvement. I learned about existing resources from the city like through a one.

Through a one is an app where you can report litter and more. Some of my fondness memory were

hanging out with my friends while cleaning the neighborhood, especially when one of my

our mentors brought us ice cream while resting at the park after a cleanup. This street made me

happy because it was our last cleanup. Reflecting on our progress, my peers and I were amazed at how

the neighborhood looks after each cleanup. I would recommend this program to a friend. I think

this experience are unforgettable and they will learn new things that the city offered while

having fun doing it. I can see the difference in the work we did during the program and afterwards.

When we were in neighborhood improvement, the neighborhood was clean. After the youth circle

ended, there was once again a little dumping and all the places we cleaned.

Hello, Measure You Advisory Committee. I'm Jose Morales and Hi-Poo through the

city of Sacramento offered a program in which I and other interns were able to learn the

importance of community service. We learned about the value of using Sacramento resources like

311 in order to invoke a direct, positive change for a community that not only lacks resources,

but with the resignation of our city councilman months ago and then shantel being the intermediary

representation as well. My favorite part of this program was to set it a cleanup in which we took

an active part in reshaping our community. This often offered us the ability to see how clean

our community is over time with our efforts, but also how the city responds to our 311 claims.

Another aspect of the program that enriches over time was the career exploration. More specifically,

I remember talking and listening with So-Veng and a city code enforcer. He told us not only what he

does, but also how he actively creates the change through the enforcement of city code.

We also learned important workforce development skills such as public speaking, communication, and

teamwork. Good evening, ladies and gentlemen. My name is Derence Laleado and I'm a senior from

Grand Union High School. Before joining the mentorship, I feel extremely nervous with no prior

knowledge of how to even begin or making my neighborhood a better place and being surrounded by

people different backgrounds, cultures, and stages of their lives. This made me feel like as if

the mentorship was going to be challenging. Over times, spending days after school learning about

civil code and law, weekends participating in local cleanups, and even spring break volunteering

out of spring camp. I learned that in reality, the people I spent five months with were not too

different from me. My overall experience with the mentorship was a good one. I enjoyed being

surrounded by like-minded individuals whose goals were to support me and build our community.

I enjoyed discussing what we can do to make a difference even in small ways like reporting in

canvassing. Not only that, but taking the time to clean up trash in our streets and go in

door to door, offering community services to residents. Thanks to the mentorship, my peers,

as a collective group, were able to visualize and take action in improving our community and

creating the change we needed to make our neighborhoods a better place. Thank you.

Hello. My name is Janice Hu. I'm currently a senior over at MP3 High School. I'd like to thank

you guys first and foremost for providing us with the opportunity to be here. Neighborhood

improvement genuinely was such an invaluable and irreplaceable experience for me. Not only was I

able to interact with so many other individuals that are really like-minded to me, I was able to see

the physical impact that I made. I think that that is so absolutely incredible.

So throughout the duration of neighborhood improvement, we had the privilege to listen and

interact with a multitude of incredibly influential and truly amazing guests. We learned how to

utilize local existing reporting channels to combat blight and illegal dumping. We were able to

understand the roles and responsibilities of active code enforcement, law enforcement, as well

as sanitation officers, you know, just to name a few. Opportunities like this are truly so invaluable

to me and all of my peers truly. And I'd just like to thank you guys all for allowing us and

providing us as use with the facilities and autonomy to be able to pursue these type of endeavors. Thank you.

With that, it concludes our presentation. Thank you so much to the MeasureU community. And thank you.

Thank you so much. Our next presenter is Don Naha's Sacramento Area Homeless Services Event 2023.

Welcome.

Well, as we wait for a slight good afternoon or evening, I'm Don and this is Don as well.

And we are Josh's heart and we started Josh's heart in 2016 in memory of our son who we

lost due to alcoholism. During his alcoholism, he had suffered homelessness in and out of that time.

And because of that, when he passed away, we wanted to honor his name by bringing a message of hope

to the homeless and addicted in the Sacramento community. One thing's a deal was,

when I was on the streets, he took care of his family, any food, money, or whatever items he would

receive, he would share with this family. And so that's where Josh's heart came about.

So we have a twofold mission and the first one is to let those on the streets know that they matter,

that they're seeing, that they're heard. The second is to bring a message to the community,

that those on the street matter and that homelessness and addiction can really happen to anyone at any time.

And so we provide ways to help the community, by helping us go out and serve the homeless.

And then we provide help to the homeless in lots of ways during the year.

And moving forward on August 12, 2023, thanks to the generosity of Measurer You.

Grant, we were able to provide a homeless connect, which was a one day event for a homeless guest

to gather and receive much needed services that were available in one place. We had held it

at Sacramento States Folsom Hall. We had a lot of city, county, and state agencies that helped us,

especially District 5 and District 6. And also County Supervisor Phil Serna was a good sponsor

of those as well. Sacramento Regional Transit provided QR codes for us to be able to bring our

guests to Folsom Hall. We have pair Transit shuttle who picked them up at both the light rail stations

and the front of the campus and brought them to their DMV provided ID cards. We had great clips

in Palm Mitchell school who provided the haircuts. We had portable showers, 14 stalls all in total.

Measurer You. Grant helped provide the clothes that we used that we were able to give out for

after the showers. Healing California came in from Pasadena, which they provided classes in an hour

and a half. And they also did two fillings and extractions. ELEKA Medical Services and Veterinarian

Services were there to help do checkups for both the dogs and the people. We had live

music including a band and a solo artist and Sac State's DJ services were there as well.

Game day grill and Yolanda's tacos that was our big expense and that was one of the things

that measure you helped with. We had these big burgers and that was our biggest thing everyone

loved there. Sac State Starbucks also had their truck there and provided food or drinks there.

And again as I mentioned various state and city and county services.

Which is where we go to what we used the grant for was Parrot Transit Shuttle. All the individual

body washes and shampoos for the showers that we provided. Close that they could change into on

that day. We had the food trucks and Starbucks. We had a big 40 by 80 tent that would cover for

because it was August was really hot. We had it went on signage and banners and snacks and items to

fill the blessing backpacks that we do and it's one of the things we do throughout the year has

hygiene and all the things they need. Printing, volunteer shirts, sound system,

fanmasters, all of those things and more. This is what we used the grant for which was just a

blessing. We would not have been able to do this day of meant without it. So one of the things that

we helped to measure our our success for that day is we as people came in we had a five question

error there and we had about 350 plus guests. 327 them checked in at the front and we saw a ton of

them just walking without it. As you see on the back the flyer gave you there's all of our data

for that you can see who attended the age group the ethnicity as well as how how long they've been

on the streets. We have a couple quotes who we wanted to share with you from our guests. One of

them said I was just really scared. I'm really glad not to be in the tent right now the city is

really scary place to be. The homeless connect is the best thing that could ever happen to a lot of

people. It's absolutely wonderful. So we had a great response on that. We had approximately 200

volunteers and you see 72 of them came from Sac State our church our community members our family

we had quotes from them saying I simply showed up it was a wonderful thing to help and it felt

great to help the needy. So we'll move on to pictures really quick because we're running out of

time but here's some of the pictures of the day. You'll see the food truck the showers the vet the

bike repair all of it just was so amazing and it made a day for people that could not get these

services in one place so we want to thank you so much. And then finally we had some great media

coverage and then last we're hope to do this again next year we've had a lot of people ask about

it even up to a couple weeks ago so thank you very much. Thank you. Thank you.

Thank you so much.

Okay I want to invite our last presenter Mr. O'Shea Johnson up and he is presenting on two

of our programs the district two youth clean up and beautification services and universal soul

cafe workforce development program welcome.

How are you doing?

Good how are you?

Excuse me I'm a little nervous but I like to thank the measure you advisory committee.

Good to see you guys. My name is Mr. O'Shea. I was a delegate in the measure you.

It was a long drawn out thing. I want to first thing I want to do is like say I'm very proud to see

this because I was at the beginning of that whole process as a delegate and going through all

those meetings and all that then a voting process. I was involved in every way all the way

steps so the cities these on people come especially from grant because I'm from grant

to come out and see that actually the measure you money actually went out there and put it in the

work you know so that's one of the things I like to say thank you.

So Sunshine Clean and Youth Workforce beautification program was I did a came into place

due to in district two we've seen a lot of like trash a lot of things in the community right.

My program I am a power academy is a youth in community development program and we deal

with athletes basically right that's our target so I had an idea basically bringing the

athletes into a workforce right you know so I collaborated with organizations like the Grand

Union Rams, Tanya Mac Universal Cafe and we all came together to put this forth. One of the

things we did was we basically taught the children. Cloud believing it's something that my grandfather

told me a long time ago was if you learn how to use your hands you'll never go without

having me to take care of yourself. So we thought okay what can we do to teach these children

something to use their hands and what I've seen was what's never going to go away is the earth.

Grass trees those things are never going to go away. So landscaping you know I don't think

is right now it's not going to get took over by AI right you know so we're not going to see AI

you know even though they got some self-driving lawnmowers right now but you know we still need

that so I said you know these are skills that we can utilize right now I mean a 14 year or 15 year

learns how to use a weed eater he learns how to take it apart he learns how to put it together

these things right here then from there you got still jobs you got city you got a couch and you

got private companies you got these jobs these skills I don't see going away in the next 20 years

right so with that we came with idea called the beautification program and I did two identification

so we you know we we begin to do it ourselves but the money was an issue and then when the

when the measure you came up and I was a delegate and we got to talking about things it was just a

perfect opportunity for us to do that some of the things that the children learned was specifically

was weed eater bush tremor lawnmowers you know California is going electric right so we get rid

of two cycle gas so we talked about all that kind of stuff the two cycle gas their environment the

climate and things like that as well and all this collaborated basically with universal cathedrals

which was a full rescue program right that program was dealing with not just full rescue but full

management from from the garden to the plate right and so the children basically with me was doing

the gardening program to clean up the community and then with time you're making universal cafe

they were doing the managing of the food distribution the food collection and the food we're

purchasing we also had projects strawberry amount of cleanup program which was really successful

had a lot of communities come out churches we cleaned up multiple elderly homes

we did international gardens we worked with the Delphus High School's Gordon Alliance program

so we did a whole bunch of programs like that and I'd like to say at the end basically

what what it came out of that was basically these same children that worked in work with me last year

in this program or not with me in another program and that program last year thanks to Mejury

was almost like a pilot program that I was able to use to come back to the city to get another

grant right which now facilitating with not eight children but now 25 and that was based off

the measure you saw like thank you for that thank you

well I want to thank all of you for powerful impactful moving presentations and demonstrating how

just a little investment in people can make just a huge huge difference to neighborhoods

in our community at large you're you're really great leaders questions comments from our committee

members I see member chorus well first of all thank you to other grantees great work I'm really

proud to be in a city that we invest in our communities and you know you guys are an example of that

so thank you I also want to thank you chair and vice chair when we were trying to get you know

the money from the city it was a fight and I think we were the only three now on the body that was

there at that time and we fought we fought and it was great to see the results of this so I want

to thank you both thank you I have a quick question or chair for and if it's okay if you would

allow me to bring all the grantees up for a second because I'm sure we're going to have questions

and so they're not running back so mr. Robinson could come up mr. Blair miss Hay

miss DuGi miss Dawn miss Dawn thank you so much sorry just got to ask a couple questions so for you

mr. Robinson real quick your blueprint program so I was the school site president at the time at

mok when that happened and I was really sad to see it go my question was so you didn't try to go

back to mok when when when when um when the new admin came in when mr. left we did you were on

campus so you know how chaotic it was the transition of new admin coming in old admin going out

just we couldn't get it together admin had a their own desires to run on campus um and I was afraid

of running out of time and disappointed mr. Assa up there so just decided to pivot and go back

out into the community and and gather multiple babies from different school sites in twin rivers

in D2 which worked out phenomenally we actually had a chance to do some work with some educators

at roberts family development center they were working with babies on those campus so we did some

professional development with them and then a lot of the kids that lived in merisaw village that

go to school in D2 we were able to do some work at merisaw village with those young people as well

great well thank you and um principal walker there at mok now I'm sure we'll we'll love to talk to

you and possibly see if that could be a connection and try to bring back out yeah thank you

my next question real quick if I can shift over to mr. Blair mr. Blair um so great program thank

you for the presentation um it's great that we built um little mini house for the person in

paradise but i'm sure the services that could be done here so i hope that we can have more

collaboration locally here um but great program thank you um and that's my questions right now

thank you um member georgioff

yeah of course i'm gonna echo thanks for the work you guys did very impressive especially in the

time of like when we're going through budget crunch the amount of impact that you guys can make

for the small dollars that we're able to give you is honestly shocking um and actually i'm gonna

you've already done great work by mass for more help um we have been advocating for participatory

budgeting to be continuing and we have seemingly failed at least this year to get it because of this

budget crunch um so i would ask that you know next time uh when budget comes up we can have you

again to sort of advocate on behalf of you know the great programs and efforts you guys have done

because i think it's one of the most impactful things that we can do here in Sacramento um i don't

have any questions for you i just want to echo you know again the great job you guys do and the

support i would see someone finish their presentation come back and they were getting thumbs up and high

fives and like that's awesome i mean you guys are really killing it you guys are like what make this

city great so thank you so much can i ask a question is there any way you could get us in front of

the city are the yes yes yes yes thank you i think they would love to hear what our city tax

funds are are doing this is this is step one okay we wanted to hear from you but that's just

step one step two is um working with the city and getting you in front of the council to hear

these stories because they are there's such powerful stories that tell that just a little bit of

investment just has a huge impact on neighborhoods and communities and and i think our

collective goal is to find a way to continue this program and one of the things

one of the things i'm going to do is um make sure my city council member um member tal knows that

these presentations were made tonight and that um they were great and to listen to them i would

recommend that each of you um just make a note to uh communicate with your council member are all

members of the council um and just say we that you were excited to make this presentation but you

really really hope that one the council um can hear from you directly and two that they will fund

participatory budgeting in the future um so we actually did have a group come out in

end of May um some of the teens and shared but i wonder if we could have a day where we all come

out or something so there's more impact i don't know because we are just one voice i felt

you know so i'm i don't know if that's possible to coordinate us coming together i guess um you're

next yeah okay so i'll just end quickly before you i think it is possible um because we've actually

talked about that even before you guys came and presented like again as chair said mentioned like

one of the goals of you guys coming out and presenting to us is so that we can take your recordings

because this is all recorded and like bring it to them and basically be like hey look this is good

um especially when you guys come back with figures that for like we serviced you know 700 pounds of

garbage and like how many uh kids were affected like or how many uh individuals we were able to give

showers to you like these are these are great statistics and numbers and we can just be like here's

the dollar cost here's the output there's no way you can beat that with some other service like

let's let's keep doing these so yeah and we have actually talked about having i think it was like

i don't remember the exact name it was like town hall or what something all this like workshop thank you

um but it is on the discretion of not just us right we have to get all the staffing approved and

then um schedule still lines so like that so it's something we'll definitely work on i think it's

great idea we want to do it um and if it happens we'll definitely be rigging your phones to try

to get you out again so yeah thanks um okay so it's my turn so it's i was one of the there's three

of us that started were part of this whole concept of participatory budgeting from the very

beginning and really pushed and there wasn't just me there was a whole whole commission that really

pushed to get the city to agree to we first started with them five million and then we got a

million but we were happy with that and and develop a whole process of really going out into the

community and getting because we told city councils we need to hear from the community as what would

they if you had money what would you do with that money and and to be honest with you some of

the responses were will we we kind of know what to guess why we were elected so we know what the

community wants and we said but but have you really heard from them and um there was some hesitation

because they thought the community would come up with some ridiculous unfundable ideas um and

actually what what we discovered and I know I'm so glad to meet one of the delegates and I know

they put hours and hours and hours and hours of work in in in this whole process it took almost

it took over almost a year um and meeting and designing a program that could really solicit

information from the community and then they got ideas I think there was like I don't know 200

200 ideas that the community came forward and they weren't ridiculous ideas they were a creative

ideas and then it went out to a vote and the community voted on what they wanted um and it was

exciting and then there was a proposal and we and I was part of reviewing the proposals that were

submitted and I have to tell you I was so impressed with what was being proposed and the amount of

money that people were asking to do um a project for a really vulnerable individual vulnerable youth

homeless um cleaning that was a a thing that um uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh

a lot of community members said is they wanted gardening they wanted um fresh food and they wanted

um clean up they wanted to improve the blight of their neighborhoods and then of course youth

intervention programs. So I was in awe of the proposals but we were limited

because we only could spend 500,000 in North SAC and 500,000 in South SAC. So we

had to make some tough choices but there was an amazing proposals and then I

just kept watching and hearing little bits and pieces about the successes of

what all of you were doing with the limited resources that were provided and

we would discuss it like we really need to have them come back and we need to

present because and we need to hear and the City Council needs to hear your

projects because oftentimes the City Council feel that in order for a

program to be successful you got to put a lot of money in it and we we see

that you know we see it the issue with the homeless I mean we spent over a hundred

million dollars last year and I bet you could could do it very successful for a

lot less so that has been our feeling is that you all have accomplished quite a

bit and really focused on individuals that are so vulnerable in our community and

it doesn't take a lot to make a difference and that's what I heard from from all

of you here is this little investment that that you were given resources you were

able to do something meaningful to make a difference for your community for the

youth and for the homeless and I think my my my worry is we did try to get

another million dollars I mean actually we asked for more we asked for five

million oh we didn't even get the million because of budget but that's not an

excuse and I'm hoping that I I think your suggestion of sending this

encouraging our City Council to go back and listen to this and hear it is an

important one and we are going to advocate and I will do what I can to push for

a workshop for the City Council for all of the participants to come and report

and hear and the amazing work all you have done with not a lot of investment

really truly it's not a lot and when they hear next time somewhere we were

awarded this amount and this is what we were able to accomplish with it because I

think that's an important piece so my concern now is it was a pilot program you

shown that it was an effective program so so what is all the programs were

you able to get other funding from different avenues for it to continue or the

programs just sorry it's over and it was a great success but we don't have

funding for it so I want to hear that because I I would like to see if it's

possible and I know for this budget it's not but in some way that we can

support these programs it's a shame to be given something and then have it go

away because there you gave them hope all of you and inspiration and all of the

programs and then say well it was great it was successful but but we don't have

funding so sorry and I think that that's not right so I want to see what we

can do and then I want to hear is you know how many of you are able to get

ongoing supports or your programs continue because you've obviously proved

that it's successful your idea your intervention programs and

collaborative programs prove that they're successful in and again we'm part

of the the when we selected North SAC and certain communities in South

SAC is because they were vulnerable at risk communities that we were really

wanting to target so I'm gonna let you answer I mean I would speak for myself

and everybody that even though we provided the funding a lot of us are just

passionate right about what we do I've been doing community cleanup since

2020 and it's just because I have a mild case of OCD and I want to keep the

community clean I have always wanted to do where I walk by something and I

teach my kids if it's not wet just pick it up go it on the garbage you know I

work with you know the community and moving forward yeah we just working with

the community we had people from the community come inquire about GNA and

became members so with that membership we are now currently working to adopt

the street a one-mile radius to maintain that street we just haven't decided

where but it's gonna be still in the district three Northgate Garland area we are

moving forward to work with the American River Parkway to get that parkway

cleaned I don't know if you guys are familiar with them but they cleaned the

parkway right behind I don't know still creek yeah and they pulled out

thousands of tons of trash from tires to shopping carts and try to maintain

that so working with them and then still I'll have my every other weekends of

working with the GNA of getting our community clean with which is what we have

we started a little fire and we hope we continue to get that burning but

will still continue to keep moving forward so I would I would just say if

anybody here would like help I mean I'm always willing to help and volunteer

because that's just my passion and also if ever you guys don't want to reach out to me

let me know and I'll do my best to help out each of you so I'm a grand

place for two 1991 right on thank you so I just wanted to say that we were unable to

do the event this summer because we didn't have the funds and we are really

small it's just Don and I we were able to do a scaled-down event and we were

able to cook and provide backpacks and community and place for them to sit and

rest and talk but we were not able and people have asked oh are you doing it

again when we run into people on the street because when we go out we actually

sit with them and talk to them so we weren't able to do it and getting grants

you know when you're working a full-time job already is is kind of hard we

have an intern right now that's kind of looking into different grants for us

but yeah we weren't unable to do it which was really a bummer because it

was so impactful for so many people and we did have like I said we had other

people are people on the streets that went to a in last year and asked when it

was going to be again we had another person that came up to me a couple

weeks ago and said I was looking for the the connect and so it is something

that we felt God put on our hearts to do this and we want to continue to do

this as long as possible so funding is the biggest thing and it's running

about the 50,000 helped quite a bit but we did get donations from several

different people and it's running about 70,000 dollars for us to successfully do

that with all the food trucks and and just making a little bit bigger to to

increase the size because I think once we do it we're gonna have more than 350

we're gonna probably have close to four or 150 is I think it's just gonna get

bigger the more we do it so thank you so much for your support I too was on the

board the participatory board and it was it was exhausting but it was well worth

it and we really could not have done it without the measure you grant and

everyone from DHS that is a DHS or D.C. who helped us with the DCR? DCR.

Permanence and people response yeah they were incredible helping us through

the process so thank you for setting us up with them as well

Do you hear from Hypoot so I think when it comes to longevity of our program and

the sustainability of from it it really for our team it comes from just you

know making our five ten-year plan and looking outside of this small small

grant that was given to us all of my staff that worked on this they they do not

get paid through this small grant it was it went all to the youth it went to the

food that they ate it went to the equipment staff they used and yeah so I

guess for us you know we will strategize we will make this work within our

current programming our youth mentorship circle is designed along these

type of internships because we know that this is the kind of grants that comes

in it comes out it goes in and out and it's just about you know for our team

strategizing on how to make it work with our youth

For us it introduced us to a little bit of a different geographic region than

we had traditionally served in but what we've found long-term is grants help us

reach new communities during the time it takes us fine sustainability so we

won't be saying no to any of the new students or any of the new schools that

we worked with this last year and back to the point you know we do have

different regions we have different states that we operate in you know the

funding from this was specifically stayed with 218 students within the target

area we found that it often takes the schools a couple years to kind of

acclimate to the programming that we offer if you will you know I don't think

football became popular overnight it took a couple years but if we

celebrate people pummeling you know each other on a Friday night why don't we

celebrate the kids that are you know competing to build the next hospitals next

courthouses and ex-homes etc so for us the creativity the ingenuity seen the

excitement and the youth takes a couple years to build and this grant allowed us

the foothold to reach those new communities that now we're able to go in with

industry funding and support yeah as long as I've been here we've never said

no to school never said no to a student and I don't anticipate any of these

students will be the first yes so for us the grant actually it actually

propelled so we was able after after the measures you completion I was able to

use that as an example to pursue another grant right but what I like to say

about to measure you as a delicate the number one objective was the Lord

a standard so I can understand like after you go through the measure you if you

don't know how to write a grant you don't have a grant writer that might be it

for you so a lot of us when we was in as delegates in that room we was looking

at this is going to be something next year because the whole objective was really

to allow individuals who don't know how to write grants right people normal

people in the community that do the work that need not the 500,000 but maybe

just 20,000 to 500,000 work to get the grant right and we was you know building

it and everybody was the whole thing was like make this beautiful make it work

make it good so the city won't say make no next year but they said no anyway

right but yeah so for me it did it did trigger where I started off with eight now

I'm at 25 and I was able actually to use that concept that same concept to show

the city that it does work I only needed a little bit of money to do all this work

right and now I'm asking for more money but I know the grants according to the

mayor you the standard when writing a real grant was different but I was

able to use that I was able to use to show the budget I was able to use to show

the work I was able to use to show the numbers I was able to use it completely

all the way through and it was successful in that so it does it I would like to

say for me you know we want the city to know that it does work it really does

and it is in you know to have young people 13 14 15 16 years old not in the

streets but working right and then learning how to go to the bank learning how to

manage the money learning how to do these things and then it's just the comfort

of that right I think that that right there it shows that we need we need this

we need to measure you and anything I can do down the line you know I when we go

back to the city or whatever right to talk to them about that program because I

think it's not over we didn't accomplish what we really wanted to accomplish

as far as like another round right because when we was in that when we was

delicate it was a lot of ideas came in there so we had to take our ideas ask

and testify we was back and forth we had to take other people ideas cut them

in half but we don't want to make you mad we don't want to leave this out because

this is good so you got to take this program this program this program and

put them together right and we have people complaining about what you're

forgetting this you forget that so we had to go back to the drawing board and

all the whole objective to all the delegates was make this work because this is

only one round this is not enough this is not enough so that's the message I

wanted to put out there that it it was it worked it was not enough it worked but

it was not enough thank you thank you guys so much member oh miss I was going to say something

real quick okay oh and then say to your point about just a generalized question if

it was worth it for us working at MLK tech we got introduced to some of the

directors at Twin Rivers unified and so the conversation that we just had last

Friday was in expansion of that now we're looking at 12 schools 69 programs

serving over a thousand babies this school year just based off of you all

saying yes to us so to the delegates thank you because it's open up a

opportunity for us to go serve more kids in the classroom and not have to go

outside and go find them right we want to go directly to where they are and

then what that turns into is a group of the young men that we were serving our

interested in being educators now so now they're in a mentorship pilot program

where they're gonna come to those campuses and work with babies as well so it's

just it's the when you all say yes other people say yes right so it allows us to

see to show our worth in that and that our work is valuable and that we actually

have the capacity to do things so whatever we can do to support continue to

help I think getting gathering everybody in I can't remember what Mr. Teddy

said the the name of the meeting was called but whatever yeah we can come to

the workshop and we can all present at the workshop and show our findings and

and actually do examples of direct calls versus what the grant was because I

was one of the folks that my budget got snipped in half but we still said we

were gonna do it anyway and and still showed up and did the exact same work

that we signed up for and again it just slings slings out of us to a different

dimension and so we're super grateful for anything else I'll just share that we are

so incredibly grateful for the backing of measure you and I as some of

other delegates said the ways that this got us uniquely out into the community

and gave us more platform form at the same time I do now I am trying to figure

out how can I expand this program and so that's partially why we brought the

youth out to a city council to ask for measure you participatory to continue

so I would I would come to workshop or do whatever it's a knowing that

that's not going to happen for 20 this next year but in the future I would do

anything that I can with our organization and youth to promote that thank you

thank you member Macias well I guess I'll reiterate what others have said just

thank you all for your your service and commitment to your communities it's

really maybe a couple years into this and this one I mean my favorite meeting

just hearing from you all and the wonderful work and just people who are just

doing so much for their communities it's just it's really it's really inspiring

and I thank you all I think a lot of my questions got answered I mean one thing

I just that comes to mind hearing about this project you know even if we had if

the city council had funded another round of participatory budgeting it

wouldn't have meant you know that every project that got a grant last time was

going to get another grant but hearing from you all it also makes me think that

maybe a way we could all benefit from participatory budgeting is it like

seating these innovations and experiments and like proof of concept and these

ideas of like let's try these new things see what we can learn from them and

then if there was a way to bring that back to you know showing the city council

or others that these are projects we should fund fund on a permanent basis it

doesn't seem like participatory participatory budgeting itself would be the

way that you know that this could be funded on an ongoing basis but it really

seems like that you all learned a lot from these experiments and that and

hopefully in a guide here at least in some cases that maybe it brought brought

other funding I guess just one question if anyone's answer I know beyond the

experience of being a delegate which sounds like thank you also for your

contributions to that which sounds like a ton of work for grants of

relatively like modest size I'm curious like how onerous was the

application and reporting because just thinking about if we do do this again

that would be an area ideally we should streamline or at least try to write

size the how you know burdensome the application and reporting is compared to

the size of the grants I'm curious if anyone has thoughts on just how how

much trouble that part was

ashes probably going to hate me in the moment actually ours went fairly simple we had

originally worked with ash about getting our funding up front and then during

the workshop the original workshop it looked as if that was going to happen

then when we met with DCR unfortunately they said that the attorney wasn't going

to allow that but what they did was they gave us our grant was for 50,000 so they

gave us 25,000 to start with and as soon as we spent that submitted our receipts

then we could submit the invoices for the rest of the funds and so that went

fairly quickly once we started the process but we did find out there were

certain things that we could not use the funds for we had we were trying to

use part of it for the hotel for our the healing California so we they

they were staying they came in two days ahead of time to set up everything and

so there's three nights of a hotel found out we couldn't use that we also had

it videoed which if you guys get chance go to homeless dash connect.com we have a

beautiful video that will show you a lot about the program but we couldn't use

it for that and so then there's a couple other things so we kept having to go

back and forth kind of a ping pong with our budget to get our budget to where it

was accepted by everyone once that happened then it was smooth selling but that

part going to it the application part was perfect it was easy to work with

getting everything ahead of time we knew exactly ash made sure that we had

everything in our ducks in a row before we went to DC DCR but it was that

budget part that that kind of gave us the stumbling block so knowing what we

could it could not do ahead of time probably what it helped when we're starting to

put together our budget and submit it details no that's how well did everyone

did others have the experience where you had to you didn't get the fun soul until

afterwards well for us it wasn't the funds we didn't need the advance funds

however we didn't get the contract until mid-year so our program supposed to be

a ninth month program that got shortened to five months so we did the same amount

of work in a short time and the other thing is that I actually took it on

halfway through our we had to turn over always happens though so then the I

think the catch up for me it wasn't that hard so I think goodness it was simple enough

and the grant was fairly small we received 24k and I would have to say that

the reporting for 24k is doable you know if we had received like 300k or so

then that would have been too simple so for a 24k amount of grant going

towards all the use you know it was fairly simple and I really like what you

said about using measure you participatory as a pilot program for a lot of

long-term grant funding because something that is being talked about right now is

measure L and today we're all here with youth programming so if we know that

this youth program through measure you where we receive so little money and

we're able to make it happen that we perhaps are the one that gets grandfather

into measure L and I was just here at the last Tuesday meeting and it got

heated it got so heated and you know some of the things they talk about is 50

50 were use it to our city parks and you know that's something that we can't

we hear who has done the work with the city not saying that those other

CBOs who came out don't deserve it as well but we here at least have the

experience with you and we have the relationship

Member Johnston yeah I don't want to take any more guys as valuable time just

thank you so much for coming here and telling us about your organizations this

just pinged something in my mind of another hat that I wear in case you haven't

heard I know we're I'm relatively new to this committee and I sadly hadn't

really heard about participatory budgeting before and I like the things that

are relatively involved so it seems like we're all trying to do our best and

work towards that but I want to make a quick pitch for another organization

called Sacramento Social Venture Partners if you haven't heard of it they do

the fast pitch and you guys this fast pitch here tonight was like a home run

it would seem like there so what they do is they used to do at going one before

the pandemic but now they do at B Street Theater where 10 and 15 nonprofits I

think give a fast pitch to a room of 100 200 donors and they raise a lot of

money and I think what you guys are doing here would be very strong so

object for that so I just want to pitch obviously the city is a great

avenue for that grants are a little different than this kind of just donations

but I think it's a great program and I think you all would do really well with

it some of the stories you have the students all that would be a fantastic

opportunity so Sacramento Social Venture Partners check it out social

social venture partners SACS SVP yeah and you can just Google fast pitch is

their main program but yeah they do other programs as well but the fast

pitch is the most important or the biggest one the the applications for this

year already were selected but I think it happens towards the beginning of

every year they they accept applications and select nonprofits to that but

this is the exact type of work that they try to do in the community.

Great thank you we're we've got a really packed agenda tonight and I again I

just want to thank you all for being here tonight for those of you who are

delegates for stay in the course through what was a pretty gnarly process and

all of you who are running the programs on the ground and doing such an

amazing job for our communities and our youth and our homeless and just wow

this is really powerful and we're gonna work with you to do everything we can to

find ways to continue this program and hopefully with suggestions like

number Johnston's find other ways for you to keep doing the good work that

you're doing thank you so so much anything else on this from our members okay

just for the record we had no speaker slips turned in for public comment thank you

thank you okay I guess that means we can just thank you thank you

this means we can move to our next item which is update on the measure you

focus group implementation plan which I believe vice chair salad is taking the

yes so thank you and so I did I it interesting enough it was challenging for me

thanks to well first of all I want to thank ash for sending me a list of

possible organizations that that the city has worked for with before in doing

focus groups and then and then gave me suggestions of who to ask so I did

reach out to community engagement and to see if there was an opportunity if

there's someone within their staff or had the skill set and they indicated no

and they kind of they they did I think they gave the list to ash as to some of

the organizations or companies that I might pursue and then I asked on me if

if there was anyone that I that they have worked with before and then she

recommended that I I contact maybe some community-based organizations so I did

I did contact individuals the companies that were on the list that ash had

sent me and one of them was darling hackler and her company is hackler and

brownstone and then Atlas lab so and and I sent them what we had

indicated we wanted to see done and they so I I most brownstone never responded

as is lab did and darling hackler oh and I also contacted Stanford settlement as a

CBO and they they the amount of money was needed for facilitating the focus

group it isn't just facilitating it was kind of it's the prep time that's

needed to do to prepare for the focus groups and the questions they asked which I

said no that would they be required to do the analysis and I said no I think we

would be there helping working with doing summaries of the result because

the analysis is a whole nother requirement and takes expertise and time and

that was gonna there was no way they would be able to do that with them on a

money that we had allocated so and Atlas lab was they're very good and they

they but they were it was going to be somewhere around the range of $7 to

$8,000 and and darling said that it would be around five six thousand dollars

but just the very basic prep time and then facilitation of the focus groups so

then I in thinking about this and a community-based organization I contacted

Stanford settlement now they are they're in in my area but they were one of the

community-based organizations that were contracted during the participatory

budgeting to get the word out and engage with the communities part of

Garland Northgate but also will be beyond that and and some of it went into

District 2 to inform about participatory budgeting to get feedback all that

whole process but Stanford settlement has also done several focus groups in our

community one was when they were trying to get feedback on the Northgate

mobility plan what the community wanted to see happen with that plan and then

the key component was engaging with youth and seniors and they facilitated

that and they've done other other focus groups in the community for different

projects for the city so in speaking with her Julie Roten she's also has her

she's a social worker and she's for several years has facilitated focus

groups she was able to not only accommodate kind of the range that we would be

using for the facilitation of focus groups but the prep time work on with us on

the analysis of the focus groups and then also would be like one package

provide childcare if needed provide the food and and so after discussions with

her and discussions and mainly discussions with Darlene Hackler and I I'm

recommending that that we we contract with Stanford settlement their community

based organization they they know our community in Northsac and then in South

Sac the demographics are similar and they're not that much different than our

community in Northsac so that's that's my recommendation and they would be

able to probably do it less than $17,000 but that's the max and and we would

have one one one contract that would manage all those little components that

we said we would provide for this focus groups so that's what I'm

recommending and then also if you're still not clear and you would want she

would be willing to come or send to all of you as samples of all of the

different types of group facilitation that that she's been involved Stanford

settlement has been involved and any other information that you would need to

help make an informed decision. Great thank you remember Macias. Macias is

right. I thought last time we just approved you going ahead and and choosing or

did we say we wanted to come I thought you wanted I know but I thought you

wanted me to come back and tell you what I was recommending. No I didn't think

so but but but I approve I mean I have we need to vote I'm happy to vote about it

I thought we were put our trust in you. Okay I was going to say like oh my gosh

I'm excited thank you I do love Stanford settlement I am familiar with them

so I think that you did some good leg work you elevated some entity that is

well-known community based and people based and I think that that makes a

difference my only thing in reviewing you know what you presented or what you

brought forward is I know that we're gonna do the two in person the only thing I

would elevate or or suggest is if there is a possibility to do one that is a

virtual we are they're gonna yeah I'm sorry I forgot to mention that no no that

was my only comment just so we're gonna do the virtual one and I made an

assumption when in speaking with all of them with the virtual the city we would

be able to use the city's technology to do that because that was they asked me

well how's what technology and I said well the city's a partner on this and

so we'll be able to use their technology to do the virtual can you confirm

Ash is that something that can happen absolutely yeah I'll have to get back to

on the exact number like zoom has some cutoff it might be 500 I doubt you're

gonna get more than 500 but we can work with you on the details of that and then

also I imagine the format might be a little bit different and if you're doing

breakout rooms how do we coordinate that we can we can talk more about that

off that I would take a little more thoughtfulness in doing the virtual well

thank you Ash and to the city Sacramento for that support because I think that

will be the catch all in the event that even if someone you know

envisions coming in person in last minute they have a schedule issue that they

could pivot and still get in the room and lend their voice to to the

opportunity so thank you I am going to echo Commissioner Mase yes is saying I

think that this is exciting and I would be overjoyed to say yes yes on this

thank you thank you chair thank you vice chair for your hard work on this I

really appreciate it did you say the budget was 17,000 I thought it was 8,000

or 17 total yeah the actually the city council voted to give a 17,000 the

numbers actually 16,000 yeah okay I think that's more than we were expecting so I

just want to say again Ash please convey on behalf of myself and I would say

the commission like thank you it's amazing

so so I'll work with Ash to move just start moving forward and getting this

going no that's correct this item is in agendas for a vote and you did give

vice chair solid the authority it's always good to come back and you know

validate that you're on the right path so happy to work with you

thank you thanks for your leadership and I want to join in with saying I'm

to a very familiar with Stanford settlement and they are a really quality

organization and happy happy that they're engaged in this that's that's very

cool next item is approval of revised recommendations to city council regarding

city performance measures and we do have a member presentation but I

understand that we also have before that we have a staff update yes that's

correct I'm going to welcome up to the podium Pete direct Pete Colletto the

director of finance good evening committee members Pete Colletto finance

director I promise you it's not a long presentation and I'm very happy to

actually be here with some good news usually I'm you know Mr. Doom and Gloom but I

did want to I did see you know performance measures on the agenda and I did

want the committee just to be aware you know city staff are working on an

update of the performance measures and really this is in response to

council's priority setting exercise a kind of last fall and so what we're

trying to do is really look to align our measures with council's priorities and

so it's kind of you know these are the big priorities they're they're kind of

big big ticket items what are our goals and objectives and then how are we

going to what are kind of our key performance indicators to see if we're

making that progress I think a lot of the committee members who have been

through a couple of budget cycles know that we measure everything we have kind of

a shotgun approach to our performance measures but a lot of them are actually

really valuable for us when we're trying to run programs but we know when you

have kind of higher level decision makers or even members of the public it can

be better to focus maybe on a few key ones and still have all the other ones

available for people who really want to dig in but I just wanted to let the

committee know as you know you start discussing this item that this you know

city staff is working on this you know internally that's where a lot of

capacity will be focused you know I'd say it's kind of more on the beginning

stages so I know that the city manager and assistant city managers have been

meeting they're going to bring in the department heads hopefully soon so I don't

know the exact timeline but again just saw it on the agenda and thought that

would be helpful context to the committee thank you a question or two we did

make we're making revised recommend or considering revised recommendations

tonight but we did make recommendations in our our budget recommendations for

whatever 2425 related to performance measures and with an emphasis on impact

rather than activity and I'm hoping that that's a consideration as you develop

this one and two I'm hoping that since this is benefactor for us for several

years and since we're by by ordinance or will be ordinance but by resolution

we're we're supposed to be looking at performance measures so if there's a way to

engage this the committee soon to be commissioned but this committee in in the

conversations so that when as as you move forward we're sort of moving forward

hand in hand and and and that's you know at some point we can say hey

right measures right stuff rather than having us go on parallel but disconnected tracks

yeah I'll raise that with with the city manager as far as you know how are we

going to communicate what we're doing how you know what any sort of input process would look like

I'll let you know the city manager know that as far as the first point with you know impact

I think that's really the purpose of the measures so you know you want to look at how much

are you doing you know how how well are you doing it and then what's the impact on the community

and so you know the the councils these big priorities like addressing homelessness addressing

public safety you know deferred main and all these kind of big ticket items that council has chosen

ultimately we want our performance indicators to say are those things getting better right are we

addressing those things so I don't have all the details yet I'm you know I'm just a lowly

department head so I should be brought in hope you know pretty soon as I bring up in the

departments to kind of give their input totally appreciate you know the the heads up in this

context really really appreciate it that you took the time thanks great thank you

so I think this goes to member George off sure I guess I can go down there and present the

slides that I have and then on top of that I just to heads up like we have about 20 minutes left

we want to do the vote ahead of time for the hour yeah yeah rather than doing this in the middle

one moment yeah I can make a motion to extend the time yeah we need a motion to extend the

meeting to 830 yes so is well anyone make the motion per councilman's procedure chapter 8 section

D6 to extend the meeting in additional hour yeah I'll make that motion I'll second

move the second in will the clerk call the roll

I'm sorry and that was seconded by member Gores correct yes

uh members if you played please unmute your microphones member McGee

yes member Salah yes member Maseus yes member Wolfe yes member Johnston yes

member Gores yes member Rosales yes member George off yes member Hogege yes and Chair Dickinson

yes thank you the motion passes and the meeting will be extended an additional hour

so we will end on or before 831

thank you for the precision on that and we also have our annual report and work plan items so

I guess I know we're short on time but can we take like a three minute recess just like go

the bathroom or whatever are we allowed to take a biobake absolutely chair if you wish to call

a short recess we can do that yes yes I'd like to call a short recess how long would you like

the recess to be should we return at 7 20 pm five minutes like 7 22

I said we'll call us a minute recess then I just don't believe it

enough of where we're returning from recess can we start our live video stream

you

for Gores presenting from the podium yeah you're now no you're still one of us

I guess if we can get those slides up Jacob perfect like on cue yeah so this is really building off

of member mossiestes recommendation letter I wouldn't even say it's replacement it's like

everything was written in that is accurate and true this is like maybe just an addendum too

so my recommendations just to start right at the beginning I'm going to talk about the

recommendations then we're going to go into like some specifics about them but I want to sort of

see these in your guys's head ahead of time my first recommendation is that each program should

have trackable outcome goals which allowed at a top level objectives associated with measure you

those goals can then be added to the measure you budget program updates oops the second goal

our second remediation is include other like city comparisons for measure you programs in city

departments where possible in the quarterly program update and or yearly budget so these are

going to be the two recommendations I'm going to ask that we sort of like agree on of course

with deliberation and we can discuss them but these should help us do the analysis that we want to

do for all the programs that we're approving or at least giving recommendation on so why of

course as you guys know I'm speaking to the choir almost literally but the purpose of our committee

is to ensure that the expenditures of city resources reflect council and community priorities the

committee shall review report make non buying recommendations on revenue and expenditures of

certain funds I'm using the measure you tax one of those is to review performance measures and

evaluate in in the evaluation of city expenditures so of course we need performance measures the

performance measures we're getting though are not necessarily project level they're more department

level or in fact not even relevant to our program the programs we're trying to evaluate anyway

so like I just said the problem number one is that they are department and division level metrics

what we need to evaluate programs funded by measure you is program level metrics and on top of

that the importance of establishing goals when starting a program or even continuing a program

we can't evaluate if we're meeting expectations or exceeding expectations and we can't even champion

certain programs over others unless we have some sort of established goals on each one of those

programs so the problem number two that I see is that localized program outputs need to

the latter up to outcome goals and then those to stop top line city objectives were in our case

measured you objectives I think we kind of heard Pete mentioned that a little bit but basically

we have sort of the output metrics which are like tasks and activities so X tons of garbage removed

from streets would be example of an output then we sort of determine what is the outcome of that

output which is resident satisfaction surveys or some other method of determining whether or not

this program is having some success which gets us closer to the top level objectives which is

like a vibrant neighborhood or something more high level that you can't really measure exactly

what what is a vibrant neighborhood mean that's not like a you can't really place a number on it

but as we get lower on this pyramid we start to getting more concrete and more concrete and we

should be able to easily change the number of tons of garbage we removed from the street right

and that should have a somewhat of a causal impact on the resident satisfaction survey which then

of course ladders up to the vibrant neighborhoods so it's sort of this pyramid looking thing is

nice graphic but really it's just this this ladder up of metrics to create this causal effect of

impact so then the question becomes what are the top level objectives for measure you and I think

we all speak on these very frequently but just pulling straight from the resolution we have equity

vibrant and livable neighborhoods we have safe neighborhoods we have youth or future generations

as it's quoted in the resolution and greater economic opportunity so these are straight from

the resolution directly I think we would probably generally agree with them maybe we would want

more in here but surely all of these are our top of mind for us and then so it becomes okay we

have these top level goals now if we think about the pure mids like second level down you know

what are some of the metrics that we can ladder up to these I just threw some examples on here

obviously this is not exhaustive there could be many more but for equity we have like the

sack equity index we saw the GIS tool in our last meeting that was very impressive number of homes

with internet access would be something that we would we could use to explain equity and then

ideally the programs would ladder up to those right so we would have programs that would maybe

try to influence these higher level metrics similarly with vibrant and livable neighborhoods

we have property values reccender attendees park acres maintain like all these things can be

middle of the road metrics which our programs could evaluate up to so in the thing that we evaluate

the quarterly financial report we've we've seen this this is like really hard to see because it's

absolutely tiny but you guys are familiar with this because we look at it quite frequently we have

purposes of programs and statuses of programs but these statuses are very they're generally like

descriptive and not metric driven and so it's hard for us to sort of determine whether or not a

program is exceeding or not and that is as we saw earlier our our purpose so my recommendation is

essentially to include in here some columns which in which are goals and objectives which are

discrete meaning like they can be assigned a number so here we have citywide pool assessment and

repair instead of what it was which is repair or replace various various of pools I think there

was just type of there but various pools owned by the city we could have inspect and conduct all

required maintenance for cities of all 12 pools right so a specific number and then we can have

the current status being seven pools inspected 15 repairs made this is a discrete number that we

can then evaluate those of course ladder up to the number of homes within walking distance of

recreation which then ladders up to vibrant and level neighborhoods which is a top level goal

of measure you so something like this should make our job significantly easier to evaluate

the programs that measure your funds I actually the second one on here fleet acquisitions

it's interesting because a lot of programs will just support other programs right so if we acquire

35 new vehicles well those 35 vehicles on their own don't really do anything but what they do

is support other programs to provide logistics for the youth and programs and that's really fine

too I think that's a perfectly fine way to ladder up you can be a supporting member of other programs

that exist similar like IT would be something that would be a supporting role and not directly

impact but is still very important in fact the fleet acquisitions one was as they had I didn't

even change it I think that was a good one so as a total of 28 out of the 35 expected units have

been ordered great that's that's a measurable number we can work with that and I gave an example

for the fiscal and management services again but these just converting these sort of yeah verbose

descriptions of what happens and to a concrete number and metrics will give us you know an

objective way to look at these things and problem number three so comparisons are what make

performance metrics valuable controlled experiments such as a v test or sometimes difficult to carry out

of course in a public environment but we should try when we can one of these ways of doing this

is comparing with other cities for example but the efficiency that comes from competition in the

private sector doesn't necessarily happen in the public sector so you know we have we don't

generally have multiple programs trying to you know improve themselves to out-eat competition in

the public sector but that is a great facility that exists and so it is important for the city to

try to create something like this internally so that I can have a continuous improvement cycle

right we want to see our programs be better over time not stay stagnant for example and there's

really no way to do that except for to either comparing and trash with other collective metrics so

we actually have done this once this is the one example I can find in the 547 page budget where we

compared our city to something else and actually came from the police section of the budget it basically

gave comparison metrics to other like cities which include like total sworn officers the total

number of P1 crimes per residence like so per capita basically this is a fantastic graph because it

shows exactly where Sacramento sits among its other like cities and you know everyone was going to

say of course cities it's none of them are the same agreed but it still gives us a great

way to look at this in sort of a data driven perspective and I want to reiterate something that

you know member McGee said earlier in a previous meeting which is like metrics aren't there to

provide us the answer they're there they're informed right and so this is a way to inform us

about how we're doing and in fact if I take the calculation one step further we didn't do this

in our budget but I think it's a very important thing to do the cost each city per capita in combination

with results it basically calculate the return on investment of our police force essentially

so right now Sacramento is on a budget compared to Fresno and you know that shows so

I would say that my recommendation number two is to include other like city comparisons from

my sheet programs were possible in the quarterly program update so we could compare and contrast

our programs with other cities and improve so my desired outcomes for this as we've discussed

multiple times is to create a structure for how we approach problems and facilitate discussions

for improvement as a city it's a time of like we're in a structural deficit of course it's a

pairing that we need to become much more efficient with our funds and ensure higher return on

investment for all of our programs in the city gathering metrics can cost time and resources

but it is one way to get a and facilitate a discussion towards improvement and higher ROI

that being said they are expensive and when we I mean gathering metrics can be expensive and so

we need to be mindful of the work that we are creating on staff if we are trying to make them collect

maybe some difficult to collect metrics and so we need to be mindful of that because it could

basically hinder the amount of work to collect the metrics could hinder the actual benefit that

they could be doing out in the field if they didn't have to do that do that work but of course at

the end of the day this program will allow us to this sort of these recommendations will allow

measure you to conduct its analysis in a more effective way and to give the best advice possible

which is our job so that's that's all I have to present and I look forward to discussing this with

you guys and getting your opinions because I think it can be improved thanks thank you so much

comments questions from the committee before that chair I have no speaker slips for public comment

thank you for catching that member McGee oh my gosh commissioner friend you did fantastic

like I have to give you the data the representation as I always say data informs it tells a story

and you have told the story looking at your PowerPoint so just thank you like yeah thank you because

I couldn't have done it but in terms of just reviewing prior to this meeting I loved everything

that you proposed I just did have a comment on some wording and I'm speaking knowing my

council person and knowing that she will read into this is just really just in terms of

saying like directing the city manager just kind of nuanceing those words you know that we can

elevate it to city council to go forward or elevate or I kind of worked on this one we look at my notes

pass on you know to the city manager for further data compilation perhaps because of course you

know you know it has to go through city council and they have to comment on that knowing your

your city council member as well but I will say that our recommendations all go to the city council

that is that is what the steps are when we make our recommendations our budget recommendations

are our PB recommendations or our focus group recommendations they are by definition they go to

the city council so when we made the recommendation in the budget to direct the city manager to work

with the commission or whatever that was a recommendation from us to the council to do that direction

thank you for that clarification but we might we might be cut but but just

and all things we should probably be extremely clear on our language that we understand what our role is

and yes thank you for that yeah and then I love this I think if I could speak ahead to the next

item I would love to see this not only in our annual review of what we're presenting because this

is well done and this is hard work so I would love to see it in you know what we craft for this

year and including it so in the annual port as well as incorporated into our yearly plan in some way

like how can we try as a commission to kind of move this forward and continue to partner with the

city and council because this is good stuff so I applaud you I'm so proud thank you thank you

member Macias yeah I agree thanks so much for preparing this and and for presenting it gives us

a little gives us some things to think about but I don't feel like I'm know enough about

the best examples of other cities and how they do this and would love I mean so maybe I'll

pose that question to you about other cities that you think are doing a really good job I mean

you mentioned Fresno there I guess I would surprise me Fresno is like that I may be chosen because it

was a like-size city but I wonder if there are other cities point you say hey this is great data great

examples of useful presentation that maybe we could point to one thing I'm just thinking about like

looking at the materials and some of the the sea is so many departments and just

what like like what are we really after and I certainly think we can make recommendations and

encourage the city to oh I mean all departments we want them to think about getting the best data

available on and setting goals and achieving those but maybe just as like what we want to do

it might be useful for us to think about like the departments that we particularly might want to

dive into and really focus on thinking about their goals and what they're I mean I'm just

looking at this document in the materials and looking at like what do I find like what is this

city's goal for homelessness this year like how many homeless are we trying do we think is the

right number for the that we can achieve this year like why do I find that like is that is shouldn't

that be one of our goals that's easily findable I don't see it in the stock and maybe it's somewhere

I mean I don't like that seems to be an issue that the committee is focused like housing and

and unhoused people like I'm just thinking about where the committee goes in terms of how we

how we focus I mean setting giving these recommendations to city council I mean I like what you

wrote up I don't again just certainly know what what the other alternatives are or what cities

are doing good but I wonder just for us if we like if it's worth it for us to choose a couple

departments and really try to just you know dive deeper on those and understand their goals and

the ones that seem biggest and most important to all of us but I think but really great job I agree

and thank you for for bringing this to the attention and continuing the conversation.

Thank you vice chair Sala amazing amazing amazing and thank you I've been hearing this for

many years about we need to do performance measures we need to know how our is our money is

measure you money doing what the people of Sacramento voted for and wanting to see happen and

we haven't been able to articulate that because we haven't had very concrete data all we can say

generally going in this pocket and then in this pocket so I I think this is outstanding and it's

in the right direction and if if we can get the city council to to agree and maybe maybe not

doing all of them because I think you're right I think trying to to get all departments to do this

will be a heavily but maybe just see you as a pilot let's test this in a few departments that

has the most interest to us and see and see how how it works and from what I can tell

they don't I haven't seen the city set goals okay this year we want to reduce homeless by so

much percentage and we're going to increase beds by so many beds so that's why people get really

frustrated because they all we can say well we we have 1200 now we spent this much money but we

now have 1200 and we're moving towards getting another 300 I mean I'm not saying that that's

the number they they said but it's never like our goal for this year is to do this and and I think

I'm not I'm not saying that they'll do that for homeless but maybe we just pick a couple of

departments and see as a as a test to see how it works I would also say that when we want to

bring this and propose this to budget and audit this this first and get their support and then

and then and then if we get their support and they agree then it gets elevated but it would be

worthy of a discussion with them to take it to the next step that's my question I guess I

yet to be responded that I think budget audit is a good next step so hitting that subcommittee

seeing where their thoughts are and then you know after they sort of agree with it go to the

council at that point but it would have to be I guess from a process and procedures standpoint either

I don't I don't sure how you Ash would be able to get that on the schedule or how we

use a committee would bring that to them but yeah we may have to get back to you on that the next

budget and audit committee meeting is the 24th which is a week from tomorrow so obviously that's

way too quick of a turnaround I believe the meeting after that is October 22nd so we can check

that agenda and get back to you thank you vice chair so I and and Ash member Rosalas

I just want to say just echo the other commissioners thank you so much for the presentation it

was good I think I guess as a newer commissioner this would be helpful in my you know commissioner

role to know all of this to have it from the I guess division level outcomes to actual program

level metrics that makes it more tangible for me to read and as I'm like looking to slide on

my computer yeah I don't yeah the divisional level stuff like I don't see any it's not useful for me

this seems like tangible for me but your suggestion in like tying it together with the goals and

all that stuff that makes it more tangible and concrete for me and I think I would strongly

recommend all of these recommendations in my opinion I guess a logistical question would the

department themselves outline these program outcomes or would we need to delve into the information

or is it more of a collaborative effort I just want to get I guess clarifying that yeah I think

from my perspective it would be collaborative my recommendation and this is not as a recommendation

but like my thoughts here are that we actually go through if we're going to do a pilot department

then we go through that and make recommendations like that we think would be appropriate but with

that caveat being like look at staff like you guys obviously have your heads in it full time like if

you think there's something better feel free to change it so like sort of like here's a recommendation

and that'll sort of alleviate some of the work that gets put on them if they we're going to adopt

this because then they'd have to think about what they even want or what we want and so giving that

to them ahead of time and then them but with the open mind that they can change it I think it's

probably the right course but I'm also open to any other commissioner's suggestions on how we

approach that but yeah that makes sense I guess a follow up would be I have my notes here as I was

typing do you have I recommended timeline on like like for this perhaps pilot department or would

this be ongoing it seems like it might be ongoing like conversations still you mean in terms of

pushing these recommendations to I guess like you know I think it makes sense to sort of as

commissioner McGee stated have this be part of the annual like sort of process right so like we do

a sort of a metric if we're like at the end of the day we use metrics to determine whether or not

the programs are successful or not so we should be making sure that those metrics are good for us

to do that evaluation right because we can't do our job unless we start at the base level and so

from a yearly perspective I would imagine that when we have ad hoc's very soon hopefully we will be

able to have sort of a metrics of 24 25 ad hoc and a metrics of 25 26 ad hoc and they would do a

quick review of like hey you do all the metrics that we're capturing make sense for us are there

any that we want to add anyone so we think weren't useful last year because if not then we can tell

staff hey you don't need to like do this anymore like that's not useful at least us maybe it is

some other you know need or whatever but yeah that's sort of how I see on the like an ongoing basis

uh thank you thank you um member johnston yeah I think my questions are kind of similar being a new

member first of all thank you obviously a lot of time was put into this and I know it seems like

it's been a process it's going for a while but if you can provide a little more context of like

what was the process in developing these like to re-talk to city staff have we talked about this

as a committee coming up with these specific metrics are there are there alternatives we consider

because I I think you know they seem reasonable to me right they seem great like the the ladder up

I've never heard that kind of phraseology but the I think the the graphics make complete sense but

kind of having a better understanding of all right what is best practices how to re-approach this

do we have background like expertise in this have we talked to staff I love that you brought up that

you know there might be costs as they will be cost associated with kind of collecting some of these

and it sounds like it's going to be a conversation with staff as we go through like all right

obviously we don't want to spend so much time and staff resources doing this how many even have

discrete metrics that this would be appropriate for that kind of process it seems a little give and take

but I just wanted some clarity around there and then one of the things too is just I liked I think

I remember McGee brought it up kind of the directive versus the suggestive I know everything we do here is

technically suggestive to a large degree but coming up as this is an example not this is kind of

an expectation or a mandate because I like recommendation number two right is worded as

or like other sit where possible right whereas recommendation one is more like should have

these trackable goals and it seems like maybe I'm reading a little bit too much into it but is it

being more directive than prescriptive kind of thing so if you can just kind of speak to them maybe

largely because I'm a new member just kind of give me some context so I can feel like I know when

I'm talking about if we go to vote on something like this yeah sure so first sort of like a

history I think there's probably some members here that would be able to give a longer history

but for the year and that I've been here it seems like metrics were always sort of like when we're

when we're doing our yearly report where we sort of review all the programs that are being funded

by measure you it's seemingly quite difficult to do that review in a objective way right we can

subjectively analyze all the programs do they align with like some of our high priority tickets

uh ticket items that like we all agree so for example we do surveys where it's like should we

elevate homelessness uh this year should we elevate youth this year and we we sort of stack rank them

and we say okay these programs are you know sort of under that umbrella they seem like good

programs but there's no way to actually say um you know program x has an outcome of y and when

we're talking about like dollars which is what I really I'm the tax seat right like the tax man seat

right so when we're talking about dollars or ROI um we saw we just heard today like oh I I got a

$20,000 grant and I serviced 750 individuals right when we say okay well this program got one

million dollars from you know city measure you funding how many people did it service and we can't

we don't even know um it makes our job extremely difficult to be like oh this is a good programmer this

is a great programmer this is a not so good program right and so that's where um you know us as an

advisory group that was created to do oversight of the measure you tax like in order for us to do our

job basically we need some sort of like tangible data that we can utilize and I mean that we get

obviously the city collects a lot of data and so when we've done this to more history I guess when

we've gone to the city council people and sort of uh pitched this uh generally we get a large

amount of agreeance however um the city because the city already collects a lot of data right and so

the question becomes more like well what why is the data that we are collecting currently not suited

for your purpose like what else do you need right and so I think getting it down to a point where

I'm recommending like in that quarterly budget report we have like a line item um for every project

that is like their ultimate goal it's really just like goal setting um I think that would be

extremely useful to us um I'm open I'm open other suggestions as well but uh it seems like

there's a pretty good consensus at least through our conversations that we've had over the past year

or two um of this and yeah and just one clarifying though just the specific terms of this kind of

I want to see the language the latter to top level objectives associated with measure U that's

kind of just seems like standard reporting processing for these kind of programming providing grants

and seeing how the the actual effect is measured or were there other processes and formulating how

that kind of upward reporting can be done do you understand what I'm asking? Yeah yeah totally I mean

uh data collection and data utilization and measurement and then like how you use that to

to sort of like a CI or continuous improvement cycle there are like a million different like

protocols that for this right yeah whether they've been done in like private industry public

industry whatever industries um this one I've I've taken from both like I'm I wouldn't I wouldn't

consider uh I just sort of picked one that I felt fit what would be suitable for us right I mean

this is this one's more um isn't like a there's strategies that go into extreme depth um

and I felt like this was one that could be actually be obtained like accomplished by the city itself

I have a background in data science I've been doing data science for about 10 years um in the private

industry so that's sort of a little bit of the influence on it but again if anyone else has other

suggestions of processes they want to do I'm more than open to hear it or what they think could be

better but yeah yeah and I think that's why maybe I would maybe suggest saying like this is the

one that we've come up with as a example not as you know kind of the expectation of the

recommendation and if you understand the kind of nuance yeah totally it makes complete sense and

your background experience I think is helpful context yeah I think on top of that um I didn't quite

get to do it in the slides but when you have a metric generally you have a top level goal that you

can like I kind of said it like but you can never measure right and you have to use proxy metrics

is what they're called to sort of determine whether or not you're improving or taining some sort of

strides toward that top level goal and usually even those proxy metrics are sometimes too

distance so what I mean by that is like if we're measuring say average house price in Sacramento

for a year it could be like global economy situation trade agreements with China that has

affected that you know housing price or whatever right and so to create a causal effect of like

some metric on to our top level goals like how do you identify that because it's almost impossible

to sort of isolate that cause unless you're doing like an AB test strict experiment right um so

in order to sort of get around that I suggested we do basically outcome metrics which are like

I can see the exact amount of work that was put into this and then that can subjectively truthfully

subjectively ladder up to the top level goals because that's the best we can do essentially um but yeah

thank you for that. Thank you and just to provide a bit more context to member Johnston's question

I think we have raised the um question of needing better metrics in at least the last three

budget letters and actually I'm sort of saying let's let's declare a victory we heard from

Mr. Coletto just minutes ago that that the city is starting to to work on this in a different way

than they have in the past and um I think you know we can take perhaps a little bit of credit for

just keeping keeping the topic alive um I you know I'm sure there are other good reasons but

but I you know like we have been fairly persistent on this and I think I've taken a little credit

for that however also giving a lot of credit to the city staff as they're moving forward on this

and talking about how sort of like my initial questions to Mr. Coletto how we can partner and

collaborate in their efforts so that we we come out with outcomes of this process that enable us

to do the job we want to do while still them measuring the things that they need to measure that

we don't care as much about but I really I mean I really think this is at least in my experience

it not only did we have a great early meeting that was perhaps one of the most

rewarding meetings I've had on my time on PV this I think is also a watershed moment and how we

how we work with it in trying to integrate our interests and the the staff interests is really

important to getting where we want to go and and and I think again member George you did a fantastic

job I mean I loved how you called out and summarized top objectives of measure you I mean that

was just so pithy and so authentic to what I think we are here for but I also think in in many

ways overlap with with the city's interests and I will say I mean I'm not sure Mr. Coletto knows

that but we did ask early early on in our existence what the city's priorities were

and literally literally they didn't exist so that they are they are starting to identify some is

we're we're taking baby baby steps as a collective and important maybe we're frustrated that

they're overdue but really I'd say declare a bit of victory because I think the staff is moving

and and we're gonna think we're gonna sync up at that some point and there were times there were

times when I didn't think that was ever gonna happen so I feel pretty optimistic and and I think

this is a really thoughtful set of approaches for getting some meaningful meaningful information

out of what is probably a lot of data already around and I see member Macias yeah I actually when

I was writing that letter was that earlier this year I think the committee had included this

recommendation back to I don't know five years ago like whenever the first letters are written it

so it's but those early letters may not are I think important point to that it's not I mean part of

this oversight they thought was getting that better data and then also that the city should be

presenting it in a more transparent way to the public and the public should have access to this

information and all about where is measure you fund where are they going and what's being produced

by it and I think that's a really important part of this too is of what that oversight could look

like is is helping to collect that information and present it to the public hopefully maybe on our

website or in other places so that people want to know where these millions of dollars being raised

what it's what it's going to and being able to tell that story and I guess part of what I would

just going back to what I was saying before about maybe why focusing on a few agencies is because

like realistically we're not going to do oversight of the I mean I'm like the office of

there's just a lot of offices here that we probably aren't going to meet with or really

you know the accounting division the finance administration division like maybe maybe I'm wrong but

but that's why I was thinking maybe if we pick the ones that we really think best speak to like

the point of measure you and like trying to collect that information really understand it figure

out if the metrics are making sense and about helping us understand how well the funds are being

used and what they're producing and then hopefully we can also beyond just these meetings that obviously

aren't super well attended like can we put at least an explanation of it somewhere or get it

to our website or somewhere where then it's at least there's that kind of oversight to the public

about how well some of the big ticket items are doing and anyway your your

proposed sort of way I like it and again I'm not sure what what member Johnson said about I don't

don't exactly know what the alternative is but I do like that kind of flattering up idea that

we're not just counting the items I mean those are important inputs here but ultimately we're

trying to see like is your neighborhood getting better like that like that's what we're getting at

so I really like how you presented that. Thank you chair just want to say thank you

member George for your hard work I'm the presentation was excellent and with that if there's no other

comments I would like to motion that we accept the recommendations and forward it over to the

city council's budget and all the committee for consideration.

Well can I so forward it and how in what format like yeah I just want to get the motion second

taking care so we can discuss. So but because I have the same question you have

go ahead I think I have the same question. Never see us. No I guess that was my question just for

just forwarding like the slides or like putting this in a letter form or where were we thinking?

Yeah I would my thought was we Senate either as a update to our 2425 budget letter or a preliminary

2526 budget letter I don't know which one but I think it should be to

to the councilor to budget and audit as a sort of a letter with recommendations that build off

of our 2425 recommendations and acknowledge the work the work that is beginning at the staff level.

But that would be what I would think. Member Vice Chair Sala.

I have a question so if we I'm confused we would your suggestion maybe attach it to a revised.

No just freestanding follow up to our 2425 budget letter it says among other things we

said in the 2425 budget letter is metrics blah blah blah we've done some more thinking consideration

and refinement and we understand there's been some move in this direction at the staff level

and here's the result of our more refined thinking for your consideration and we'd like to

continue to partner and collaborate with staff and something like that.

Member Macias. I wonder if we do when we put in the letter to them if we present it as like

here's an example of the kind of format or the kind of ways that you might consider doing it

instead of like as directive as like this is exactly what you know this is what we want to see is

like we had a great conversation about this and everyone thinks this is a good would be a great

start as a way to to look at this but I guess I don't feel all the way there that this is like the

only way to do it necessarily. Other comments questions?

Member George off. Members of the law do you want to go first before I?

Oh yeah I was just gonna state that so if we were gonna vote on this

then I I think we just need to say that who was discussed and we voted on this and this is what

we're wanting to see as a revised amendment to our recommendation 2425 very specifically

so we want to see well because we've been talking about this and I think we have something very

concrete and we need if we suggest it to them we're not we're voting on it and we're we're

putting it forth for their discussion I think it just needs we need I don't I don't want to say oh

we're we're inviting you to consider this. It's all we are anytime we write to them that's all we do

yeah I mean that's that's we're advisory they were giving advice that I mean we can't we can't

compel we can't require but I mean but we can persist I think that there's a distinction

between compelling and requiring that we can't do but we can persist in in being strong that

this is an important topic that we've been thoughtful on it that we acknowledge that the cities

moving forward as well and and keeping it alive

um

and the person has been resisted was what the city's now looking at oh and maybe we should change

I don't know if that's the reason but let's see you know I think so I'm gonna declare victory yeah

I think so never a charge off yeah so I'm happy to sort of turn these slides into a letter form

I think maybe it's still okay to have the slides like appended but like the letters sort of

the front I don't know if everyone's cool with that um I just feel like slides for me at least

how I learn as like slides feel very organized and concise um if people are cool with that um do you

want me to bring it back then for approval or are we okay sort of letting Ash push that as an

agenda item for the uh budget audit in October um taking in the recommendations for example to

um well actually first we do we want to determine which departments

to pilot with this with and then if so should we create some recommended recommendation

metrics for that department just to sort of like with again the caveat of like hey here's some

thoughts that we have but feel free to modify them or change them um and then on top of that um

yeah sort of like the language being a bit more uh suggestive again when I wrote this I think

what I the way I see it is like here's the recommendation that I want city council to then take and say

not like me this is like me enforcing you know the city manager to like do anything because obviously

I can't so it's more like hey my recommendation is for you to say this phrase you know what I mean

this like as a recommendation um but yeah um I can also make sure that it's like lighter um and then

I guess that's yeah those are my questions like one do we want to choose a different or do we

want to choose a department for the pilot or do we want to just sort of want to do like those five

what are most aligned with those five top level goals of measure you that were in the slide and I

could just take anything that ladders up to that and sort of suggest some metrics in a you know sort

of a spreadsheet like format and then um attach that as well to the letter so we have a letter now

the slides and the recommendation metrics for at least a few of the programs that are under a measure

you also I think it is important to mention that like when we're talking about the metrics that

we're proposing it has probably has to be only for like measure you based programs it can't be for

like city wide programs um not to say that the city council would look at it and be like hey this

is actually probably good for the rest of them cool maybe but like that's not our purview so I'm not

like recommending that um so it would have to be some of the measure you program specifically not like

yeah but there is also like IT management stuff in measure you programs being funded so

this can also I guess be put to the side for now if we feel that's best

are we happy with that format any comments concerns or

uh member McGee I'd say just kind of knowing you know what you've already proposed

that I would be comfortable you've been pulling and elevating that which you could

most clearly articulate um with the data backing and the wording and the verbiage and the work you've

already done because I don't know like for me being new I can't necessarily inform one to the other

in terms of all the various things covered so I would say like where we have the abundance of data

and rhetoric to really kind of speak to a verbiage that that would be what we would elevate as a

pilot or as a showcase of a possibility um and let then let that be what we highlight because

you'd be able to more adequately tell the possibilities of the story

okay

any other thank you for that any other comments suggestions we have motion in a second chair

with those significant additions to the discussion of the formatting and authorizing

um commissioner or member George off um to complete the letter I don't know if the motion on the

table includes any of that information um so if the I was going there okay if the if the member

made the motion would like to amend it we can take that motion in second um yes I'll amend the

motion as discussed um but I I well I was motioning it was just the recommendations and the

slide presentation putting in the letter form and presenting it that's that's that's that was my

original motion so um if if we're amending it for it to be in a slide and letter yes then I

can I can amend

that's what I'm trying to get the clarification for here also I do that like the example metrics

so like the pilot program metrics that we that we would put together sort of like a sheet of like

here's what we think would be good to to display and I'll include that in the the trio now of things

okay so I can amend with the pilot metrics examples in the letter okay the acknowledgement of

city progress the announcement the city progress okay

and you know it's a follow-up to our 20 or 25 recommendations so should I scratch the motion

and then somebody somebody else uh I well if you're comfortable with the motion incorporating

the suggestions from the conversation yes I am comfortable with and if your seconder is

I am still I am still comfortable with that and I would once again it's getting late I am comfortable

with the recommendation to amend based on the discussion currently going on and I will again

second that motion we have a motion in a second are we ready to have the clerk call the roll

all right thank you members if you please unmute your microphones

member McGee yes members vice chair solo yes member masias yes member wolf yes

member Johnston yes member chorus yes and thank you member Rosales yes

member George off yes member Hogege yes member Pascal is absence and chair Dickinson yes

thank you the motion passes thank you everybody we'll say robust discussion

our next item and we remember we have 17 minutes and that our next item is development of the

measure you community advisory committee 2324 annual report and 25 work plan and I believe member

Hogege is taking the lead on this hello I am once again bringing this back to the committee

uh so that we can have a discussion on this so that I can finalize the work plan and uh in a

more report um I believe that this will likely be our final discussion on this uh so this is kind

of a speak now forever hold your piece type deal um the changes that we made just to be brief

since we last discussed this um if if you have the attachment from the agenda open um I have

included a message from the measure you community advisory committee so that is on page

uh three of eighteen um I have also included the 2023 accomplishments that is on page eight of eighteen

as well as the 2024 accomplishments that is on eight of eighteen as well as nine of eighteen and

those were based on the recommendations from the committee last meeting um the other edition was

the um 2025 goals um which is on page 16 of eighteen and those that is kind of a placeholder I

know the discussion on the 2025 goals last meeting was um we I think the committee wanted to maybe

we had discussed doing a survey or discussing 2025 um goals in more detail this meeting so I

placed a couple items that we talked about kind of as a placeholder if we wanted to edit these um if

you have any suggestions on how we can better improve the 2025 goals I know um commissioner

Mickey made the comment of including the performance measures that we have just discussed maybe

including something um about that in the 2025 goals so I'm happy to to include that as well

but those are the few changes that were made since we last met so if anyone has any comments or

questions about anything I wrote if we want to edit the language um because you know we

unfortunately can't talk about this outside of these meetings um this would be the time to do it so

I I know it won't have a lot of time but if there's anything from anyone um oh thank you great job on

this too um member mcis yeah thank you for taking this on one quick thing I know it's just on the

the letter where it says major highlights of 2023 included the initiation of participatory budgeting

I think in 2023 it was just the the grants went out right like the the participatory budgeting

was initiated in 2022 or 2021 so I think I think it just probably wants to just clarify

then 2023 is that one the actual grants were issued is that right can uh is that the case okay

maybe I misunderstood in the last meeting I I thought that um we threw a lot at you so no it's

okay yeah so so just to be clear for the participatory budgeting in 2023 that was the year that

the money actually went out awarded yeah thank you thank you for getting grants were awarded yeah

maybe that's how you're working okay anyone else I have a couple of comments

uh member Rosalus um I might be making this up but didn't we also change our name

meaning to commission or did I or do we need to uh the the ppne committee is recommending that

but it will need to go to council oh got it thank you yeah yeah um I'm minor mostly in the

category of editorials we've got page six of eighteen committee members who previously served

um we either need to get that late list complete or not bother with it I think clarify that list

and so I just couldn't think of the wording but um it's committee members who served

between January 1st 2023 and the present date but who are no longer serving so it's not an

exhaust it's not intended to be an exhaustive list of all members who previously served it's a

list of members who previously served beginning on January 1st 2023 but who are no longer on the

committee so we can I don't even yeah I don't even think that's accurate it is is it yep I mean I

can I don't know the best way to review review that but yeah no that's that's one of the impossible

I thought Dana Kivall was off before then no okay all right um yeah then I would just put in the

to serve between whatever your dates are okay that was January 1st 2023 yes okay yeah this is

a reminder this is a two year annual report since we've converted to a calendar year instead of

a fiscal year so it's January 1st 2023 through I think the end of this year depending on when

you approve it then when when last thing under accomplishments and I believe it's 24 accomplishments

um the the whole effort to get ad hoc committees and the other items restored

I mean ad hoc committees that there were three the three things that we recommended to council

restoration of ad hoc committees a more um yeah the quorum which we're still working on and

transition after expired terms that whole package of um organizational structure stuff

I think what I mean was an effort and an accomplishment

not in our I don't think was in our work for the year but we did it

and those were all things that had I been here last month I would have raised but I'm sorry I didn't

so just to be clear we want to include one more um accomplishment and that okay perfect

um member George off yeah just looking um since it hasn't raised like sort of bring the

metric stuff into it I did just actually found a on page 10 of 18 the very bottom it says like

measure you community advisory committee submitted budget recommendations and number one seems

to be like for measure you spending metrics and priorities I think is that fit in this

this list because it's metrics and priorities aren't something we're recommending

prioritizing spending on it's more like an objective of our our goals but not like does that make sense

yeah just take out for measure you spending just take out take out the phrase just

end that paragraph with following items colon and take out measure you spending

okay yeah okay

and I did see there was like a pretty significant portion on the metrics down below

which says like performance measures in the budget are presented at the department level which

basically is why I literally said today you're like a psychic for the future it's pretty cool

also performance measures in the budget are generally in the scope of inputs activities and outputs

none of which are measures of impact or results so I think it's still it it is in the work plan

I think yeah I was able to meet with council member Kaplan and of course me council member McGee has

also stated that it should be in the work plan and so I think given that council member and a

commission member also wanted to I think are we do we do feel that we're satisfying that with

those those paragraphs you know unlike paint on page for the clarify these are this this is

the same language that was in your last annual report so I think it's staff were assuming if

that whatever you you're working on for budget and audit would get replace would replace this

language entirely unless you want to somehow incorporate it into what you're working on

okay is that our intent to replace entirely like anything okay

yeah I view again I view it as sort of this from down there is like I view this as like a build on

not a replacement not like an not a it's like continuation yeah it's a continuation of like

because it's the fact that it's so relevant it's sort of like here's what we want high level and

here's like maybe how we achieve it as a recommendation to like action right that's sort of the way

I'm viewing the recommendations that I'm bringing forward whereas like this is still relevant and

but it's just like it doesn't quite say how we want the city to to dress those concerns I don't

know if everyone else here on the committee agrees but that's sort of the way I see it I can

suggest one approach might be if you took some of the language that's here and baked it into your

recommendations that you're that the committee tasked you with approving we could then

take that whole package and plop it back into the annual report if that makes sense okay when

is what do like what this is do I believe October is one we want to submit this if is that correct

we could push it to November but it would be great to have it approved yeah I mean even in

okay I suppose so that is a I hear your suggestion but I'm like thinking I'm looking at that

some thinking this is actually still a pretty good summary do we really want to include like 13 slides

worth of information of type things that are like included in this I don't know like it's already

quite long it feels like maybe that's not the also the now we're sort of conflating the two things so

like the what how you're completing something and I'm completing something it's like I don't

let's rather keep them separate that's okay cool yeah cool all right it's up to you all over

rule dash over rule office of the city clerk just given the five minute warning here

I lost track member of resilience or okay member George off member McGee I was just going to say

I think we just are filling out the story so not that we're going to take everything that you've

done and implementing and plop it in because I would make it like way big but just like a more

or some of a summative statement I'm thinking and we can always reference I would hope you know as an

addendum or as an addition to so that we're not bulking down the annual report but just maybe the

summative statement of some of our thoughts and ideologies as to how this could be has to be

implemented and make it easy right and not heavy you know a heavy read but still maybe insert it

because it is impactful I think it continues to tell the story and the page 14 of 18 doesn't do that

maybe if I can suggest it's like I agree that maybe we you just try to take what you saw today and

summarize that in a few sentences maybe a paragraph or less and then just sort of add that to this however

you see fit and that way it's sort of like yes we have discussed all these things but we also have

additional like as member McGee is trying to say like action plan or recommendations and sort of like

swoop that in am I freezing that right okay cool yeah something like that just like a quick

the small summary addition yeah I personally thought page 14 of 18 captured at all but

I can I can take from the presentation to add a sentence say commission committee will continue

to work on these issues in the coming year yeah yeah that yeah and I'll just clarify I'm trying

to think through the purpose of this section of the report is to give you all the opportunity to

review the performance measures of measure you funded programs because this committee is basically

stipulated that what the city's provided is inadequate this is sort of the the counter response to

say hey we would love to review those performance measures but we feel that they're inadequate and

so that's what this says and and actually I think if you even left it as is it would be fine

because I think what member George off is proposing is sort of a direction forward that doesn't

necessarily need to tie back to the reason why you have not included that review in the report.

And I hate to interrupt but we've got I think three minutes to act on this and conclude

if so if there's anything there's anything short of a fatal flaw I think we're there

yes and we need to vote on this

do we have a motion?

did we have a motion in a second on this? No we do not we need a motion in a second

can I make a motion? Okay a motion for me to take all the feedback that I've received and come

back with a more finalized version or actually no finalized just finalized yes second

moved by member Hojage seconded by member Goris I kind of could recall the role

thank you members if you could please unmute member McGee yes vice chair Sala yes member Maasius

yes member Wolfe yes member Johnston yes member Goris yes member Rosales yes

member George off yes member Hojage yes member Paschal is absence and chair Dickinson yes thank you

the motion passes thank you and I'm going to use one of the last two minutes to just thank everyone

who worked on with members of P P and E on the ad hoc committee the transition at terms and and

the quorum issues I think we got really really good reception especially on the ad hoc committee

member George off was brilliant in his testimony seriously and the quorum issues is yet to be

resolved but I believe the P P and E will be recommending what they're recommending to the council

and we will have a chance to make a pitch there I don't know when that is likely to be

but that means many of you weighed in behind the scenes or with testimony or presence at meetings

and I really appreciate and for the record I have no speaker slips for public comment matters not

on the agenda and I see member Hojage the time is now 831 and we will need to conclude the meeting

happy 916 day thank you