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Good evening. Welcome to the November 18th, 2024, 530 PM meeting of the Measureview Community

Advisory Committee. The meeting is now called to order. Will the clerk please call the

roll to establish a quorum? Thank you, Chair. Commissioners, if you

could please unmute your microphones. Commissioner McGee?

Here. Commissioner, Vice Chair Sala is absent. Commissioner Maasius?

Here. Commissioner Wolfe?

Here. Commissioner Johnston? Here. Commissioner Gores?

Here. Commissioner Rosales? Is absent. Commissioner Hogeyge?

Here. Commissioner George Off?

Here. Commissioner Paskel?

Here. And Chair Dickinson?

Here. Thank you. We have quorum.

Before we start the meeting, I would like to remind members and public and chambers that if you

would like to speak on an agenda item, please turn in a speaker slip when the item begins.

You will have two minutes to speak. Once you are called on, after the first speaker,

we will no longer accept speaker slips. We will now proceed to today's agenda.

Please note that does not apply to those of you who are part of one of the presentations scheduled

for tonight. I ask you to please rise if you are able to, for the opening acknowledgments in

honor of Sacramento's Indigenous Peoples and tribal lands. To the original people of this land,

the Nassonan people, the southern Maidu valley, plains me walk, Patwyn, Winton peoples,

and the people of the Wilton Rancheria Sacramento's only federally recognized tribe.

May we acknowledge and honor the native people who came before us and still walk the

sidest today on these ancestral lands by choosing to gather today in the act of practice of

acknowledgement and appreciation for Sacramento's Indigenous Peoples' history, contributions, and lives.

Thank you. And now, if you can please remain standing for the Pledge of Allegiance.

I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands,

one nation, indivisible, and for the team just as for all.

Is this you?

Yes, Chair.

So the next item of business is the recognition of dedication and service to the

Measure You Community Advisory Commission. As this is the last regular scheduled meeting before

some of your current terms expire, the office of the city clerk would like to extend our

sincerest gratitude for your service on the Measure You Community Advisory Commission.

Some of you have been on this commission for some time, others were appointed to serve a

short partial term. Either way, service has been invaluable to this commission as well as the

city of Sacramento. I'll now be handing out some certificates. If anyone would like to say a few

words regarding their time on the commission, please feel free to do so.

Commissioner Wolff.

Yes, so I just want to say thank you to all you guys who have signed up for this largely at times

thankless work. I know there's a lot of tedious moments where you have to review a lot of documents

that is otherwise on a volunteer basis. So yeah, thank you for stepping up and acting as a

public servant in this capacity. We appreciate all of your guys' times here. You know, whether you're

back here again or serve on a different commission or whatever I know we'll probably all see each

other shortly in the near future. So just one of the say thank you from my own perspective.

Thank you, Commissioner Wolff. Commissioner Hojeg.

Yes, thank you. I just want to thank you all so much for an incredible year. I know I've only

been here a short time but I feel like I've learned so much and with city staff guidance and

fellow commissioner guidance. This has been just an incredible learning experience. I can't believe

it's already done and I look forward to working with you all more in the future hopefully

working on the annual report and the 2025 work plan has been a real treat and working with Ash

has been such a pleasure. So thank you all for this opportunity. Thank you for the opportunity

to serve and I wish this committee more luck if in the future if I do not continue to serve on it.

Thank you. Commissioner LaCias. Yeah, I guess I'll just echo it's been said just great working

with everyone. I appreciate everyone's dedication to the city and given their many hours to this

project it's it's been inspiring and I really appreciate also Ash, Jacob, Angel, thank you all.

I mean endorse the city staff for the support of making these meetings run so rent so well and

anyway just been really appreciative of the experience. Thank you.

As the longest serving member of this commission I appreciate the recognition by the clerk's office.

I've really been amazed and gratified by the commitment and talent and passion of everyone I've

served with. This group is awesome. The original group of appointees were amazing and I've got

I have every confidence that as as the commission moves forward the good work and the values that

we've developed over the course of the whatever the six years six and a half years will continue

and that and that this this group and hopefully many of you will get reappointed will continue to

carry on as the conscience for measure you for the community as a whole and a voice of those

that conscience to the council and and I joined Ash, Jacob, Angel, the rest of the city staff who's

been here for us and with us. Thank you appreciate your your service as public servants.

Commissioner Sala.

Okay. I just want to say I in the little time that I've worked with you all and I think you've

been a little bit longer but the the rest of you it's been you just jumped in right away and you

just engaged and contributed to our work and it was very meaningful. I loved your input your insight

and I truly hope that if you get reappointed for another two years because from my perspective

this this commission because we've we it took a little bit of time to kind of figure things out

but not much because you all of you just jumped in right away that we can continue in the work ahead

of us and and we have a lot of work to do and the city's in very challenging times right now and

I think our work is of critical importance to our if we're going to make an impact in our underserved

community so I really hope you get reappointed it it would be a sad moment for us if you're not.

So thank you and I know you're going to be back in January you're all going to be sitting here so

thank you all.

Um, member Goris.

Thank you chair um yeah I want to echo the fellow comments from my fellow commissioners but

in particular to you, Madam Chair, you've led this commission with grace. You really energize me as

far as to you know get involved and we can try to take on some extra tasks even though there were a lot

other commission that did better like commissioner George or commissioner Hogeyge in drafting some

some letters to the to our city council so I just want to say thank you for your leadership and

I hope we get to work again in the future soon.

Keeping my fingers crossed for all of us thank you.

With that I will move to the consent calendar and ask if there are any speaker slips on this item.

Thank you chair I have no speaker slips for the consent calendar.

Thank you.

Are there any members commissioners who want to speak on the consent calendar?

Those are items are the minutes and the agenda log.

If not do I hear a motion to pass the consent calendar?

I'm motion to pass the consent calendar.

Chair.

Goris moves do I have a second?

I'll second.

Member Hogeyge seconds will the clerk call the roll.

Thank you chair.

Commissioners please unmute your microphones.

Commissioner McGee yes vice chair Sala yes commissioner Mossius yes

commissioner Wolf yes commissioner Johnston staying

Commissioner Goris yes commissioner Rosales is absent commissioner Hogeyge yes commissioner

George off yes commissioner Pascal yes and chair Dickinson yes thank you the motion passes

thank you we will now proceed to the discussion calendar and item three is results and lessons

learned from select participatory budgeting pilot program project implementation grantees and

um

we are ready to have our we have only one presentation tonight notwithstanding the agenda and I'm excited

to say that it's the North Sacramento Urban Agriculture program Del Paso Heights Brothers Alliance

which aimed to educate residents on urban agriculture and increased local food production

and who is

good to lead thank you welcome.

Good evening.

Hi thank you for having us we have a few speakers tonight I want to start off by

let's see here we go okay um so tonight we're really thankful for this opportunity

to just share some of the work we've been doing there has just been an enormous amount

of need in our community and this is just one part of that fabric of helping to address those

unmet needs um so tonight there will be a couple things that we want to share with you the first

is who is the growers alliance um what are some of the activities we performed and what were the

results of this funding which we were very grateful for and we could not have done this work

without your support um and I want to start off by saying that tonight I present to you as a

community member in my role as a volunteer I am really here to share the message from the

community and so I want to acknowledge that first before I get started so my name is Fatima Malik

but tonight I'm here as a volunteer community member speaking on behalf of the team that helped

to put this together um the first person that I'd like to acknowledge who could not be here tonight

Miss Anita Lopez um she has really been an enormous technical advisor and evaluator to our

programs um over the past few years and really helped support not only the project launch for this

but now as we kind of get ready to to close up shop and to share all the great stories with you

and then we also are very grateful for um Mr. Johnson another technical director and board

secretary who really helped provide a lot of the back office support um online and just uh

just taking care of a lot of the digital media support um with that I want to start off by

sharing a little bit about um the Del Paso Heights Growers Alliance um we envision a world with

climate resilient families healthy communities and thriving ecosystems our mission is to build

sustainable neighborhoods and circular economies through policy advocacy and experiential education

some of the core values that we have are really rooted in a well-being economy and that means

preserving black indigenous and people of color cultural practices traditions really rooted in

trauma informed care and healing from poverty and other economic challenges and we believe that

this model of the program that we were able to pilot as a result of this participatory budgeting

funding for measure U is really um you know it emulates this regenerative economies that we

believe are possible in our communities that are lacking in so many aspects but when we really

focus on an asset-based community development model we really are able to tap into some of the

most amazing skills and talent that we were able to find in our community um and then lastly

there's a couple of the things but um I'll just kind of skip through them and that is that uh we

really focus on addressing some of those challenges and um implementing some science and technology

in the work we do um our theory of change uh I don't want to say it's the boring stuff but I did

want to just kind of highlight that we do have one uh I'm just going to skip right through it because

you can look at it later um and then uh the other piece that I wanted to emphasize is that the work we do

is advancing a racially just food system and the reason is because um not only in this land but

for all the people who now call Sacramento home like myself um an immigrant um you know we we have

cultures and traditions and homelands where farming really was an important aspect of our lives

from the Hmong community members when they moved here from Laos and Thailand you know there

there was a model that if you don't grow food you don't eat right and so um even in our community we

we have a lot of culturally and linguistically appropriate foods that you just can't find in the

store and so this becomes really important to be able to grow our own food um and to have that

place to build that community that connection and those memories um and then now I'm going to pass

it to Julia who's going to talk to you a little bit about how all of this came together

thank you um so this is a list of our partnerships and so just I'm not going to read through all of them

but just to show that this funding allows us to collaborate with a lot of different partners whether

it be public private community based or academic um to uh kind of improve health outcomes in

Dupasal Heights and some of the projects to date uh there is the Shogakain community hub where

greenhouse has been built and that is providing some environmental education as well as workforce

development learning how to work with tools and build and then the root seller garden community

composting hub is a community effort to create some compost for better soil and be able to grow

food in the garden and then the fresh out of DPH food education and resources uh you'll hear a lot

about that tonight um but that's increasing food sovereignty in Dupasal Heights and then also

there was a nature RX program taking community members to Yosemite National Park which is

a beautiful park we have that's relatively in our backyard people visit from all over the world um

and so just providing an opportunity for um people from Sacramento to get a chance to uh go there and

learn more about the environment so for the free farm stand program it began in 2020

2003 and during that program cycle there was over two thousand pounds of fresh produce um distributed

that was grown by immigrant and refugee farmers and in the eight weeks there were 85 households

that came to the program and not only did they receive produce there's also uh nutrition education

and uh a chef there teaching them how to cook the food that they're getting um and

not only are people getting produce and uh some learning opportunities about the food

but it's also an economic benefit back into the community with six thousand dollars going to

support biopalk farmers in the area and in that program cycle 33 community baseline surveys

were completed and then in 2024 the program expanded and the amount of produce distributed was

tripled and over yeah tripled and the program was almost twice as long it went 15 weeks and went

from reaching 85 households to 118 households and that provided an economic benefit of 18,000

back to supporting biopalk immigrant and refugee farmers and the program evaluation for the 2024

cycle is is ongoing right now and so this was uh these two years were really a pilot of the program and

getting community collaboration and participation from a number of different partners and community

based organizations as well as seeing what the community wants out of the programs and so one of the

ways that that is uh collected is through like kind of surveying the community and just talking with

them as uh they're at the program and so these are some examples of some questions that uh we ask

community members to ensure that they are having to say and designing a program that meets their needs

so back to the 2023 free farm stand the community survey showed that about half of the households that

came had children under 18 and half did not have children um and you can see the age breakdown

about 50% were from 30 to 54 years old and then the next highest age range was 55 to 75

year olds and that was 35% of participants and about 75% of the participants reside in the 95838

zip code in district two and have lived there for more than two years and nearly half of the

respondents earn less than 40,000 annually and then uh about food access you can see from the survey

question uh lack of money to afford fresh food is a barrier to accessing them and there's also a

high interest in gardening but lack of space and maybe lack of opportunities to share knowledge about

gardening um have been barriers for community members and so here's a little bit more about the

community composting hub which is a part that i've been able to be a part of so far and so we worked

with resoil sacrameno who goes around to the restaurants downtown that serve organic and local

produce and collects their food scraps and then we mix it with um like uh wood chips in order to

create compost and really nutrient dense compost i've been learning that there's different types of

compost not it's not all the same um so this is is really good local compost and that is a pile that

we created a week ago today and then you can see in the back of the picture there's a second pile

that was created about a month ago um and so it's much denser and has is moved farther along in the

process but the the first one that was created last week was a lot more colorful and then i'm going to

have miss Renee come up to share a little bit about her experience.

Big men y'all so i got involved with the program by accident right i volunteered for farm to fork

and here i am today right so this program has really opened up for me um how important it is to be

involved in community right to know what's going on to see the need that there is um this program has

shown me that uh it's important to deal with farmers to get that food to get it to the people

so that they can have access to it and be able to have a healthier better way of life right

the other thing that was really important that kind of blew my mind was that there was a chef there

showing them how to cook the food right so there was one recipe i'm very very excited about

purple potatoes and eggplant the chef said to boil the purple potatoes and then you saute the

eggplant and she always talked about not wasting anything so i used the purple water for my rice

how about that i've we've done it twice my granddaughter and i we've done that twice and she just

gets excited when she sees purple rice so it's just amazing how a little thing like a purple potato

can have that big of an impact so if it did that for me can you imagine folks who have had no

experienced all what a purple potato or eggplant right so i really believe that uh this program

is um a necessity for the community to be able to give us a way of expanding our food

and to get some experience and some understanding just about food in general a lot of us don't even

know that the food come from the ground put it in it put a seed in the dirt there's food but a lot of

us are not aware of that and this program is really important we get to go to the farm get the food

bring it to the program bag it up give it to the people so if you all can uh see your way this would

be a very very good thing to have a new community and with that being said i'm going to pass it over to

in-chant

you

good evening everyone okay

my name is in jossier scott and

just like miss rene i actually found um kind of by a chance like a while ago i saw my neighbor

outside tending to her land and i just was like hey what you doing and it was patina

and she told me about the del Paso Heights Grover's alliance it took some time for me to come out and

get connected and i'm up here to tell you more about what brought me to the program but also what

kept me coming back each week for one again my name is in chasier scott i am born and raised here in

sacramino i grew up here in sacramino i graduated from grant high school pace of her life

i received my bachelors from sac state i it wasn't until i wanted to pursue my masters that i

actually wanted to leave home i moved to new york i was in crown heights and i was like oh i'm

close to del Paso Heights crown heights and i felt like it was divinely orchestrated to be in the

concrete jungle i was at columbia university getting my masters in social work and there

i was learning about trauma in form care but also how to create healing centered events healing

centered engagements focusing on total wellness and i saw much of myself in my work so personally

but also professionally i'm connected with this work but like i said i'm also here to talk about

what kept me coming back each week so i mentioned i'm a social worker so i have to have my own

self care but i'm also the founder of trap tranquility which is a sound healing and wellness service

that i made sure was going to be based out of sacramino because just as i grew up here my rooting in my

foundation is from here i'm third generation resident of district two my grandparents Henry and

Betty newborn raised sugar cane off of mori avenue they sold and grew peas and okra off of morison

avenue people came up from the bay area to come and get their peas and okra so i came from people

with green thumbs that tended to the land of district two that fed people in district two sacramino

nor cow and so coming back home to sacramino was very important to me i'm a pandemic grad

so shout out to columbia they did what they needed to do i did too um but it felt good being back

home and being in the soil i spent a lot of time in my grandma's backyard right off of grand

avenue and having lemonade from her lemon tree having rose marion lavender getting back to the okra

it was all great things but i wanted more community so again my mind went back to hey neighbor

and so knowing that there was the program happening at the robberson center a place that i grew up

going to youth programs i'm now an adult it's now part of my self care routine like my loved ones

no two days i'm going to my cooking class and it was always fun coming together and talking about

not just the food that was in our bags or the food that the chef was cooking but talking about

the seeds talking about how we can continue to stay involved it ended on the 29th

um i'm a part of that 6.5 percent but i hope that we can continue this program because what i

found in that space was intergenerational conversations intergenerational healing and it was a good time

and so i think my neighbor for telling me one about this work that's continued because again

i'm third generation tending to the land and a fun fact that i learned in that space that i just

want to share here was district two is the only district that does not have a city funded garden

so like i said my grandparents tended to that land my mother if y'all know about denials

people sell their fruits that they tend from their lands and they sell it their livestock things

of that nature but for team of told me i had two minutes and i know i'm at like five so i'm

going to just wrap this up so in social work we say enclosing thank you all for this opportunity

to come together in community to break bread um and to just be well so enclosing with gratitude

thank you all thank thank you to the land and may we share space again

all right we wanted you to hear from the people who participated directly because

we believe that that's really important um if i may i just have a few additional

people who were not able to make it tonight miss Sheila unfortunately um was not able to come

in person um as she's having some health issues and so she did want me to express this to you all

which is that

okay i guess it's a really long message sorry okay on behalf of the delpas ice growers alliance

and our dedicated team i'm writing to share the resulting success of the farm fresh vegetables

stand program and its profound impact on the community this initiative has not only

nourished families with healthy locally grown food but also has fostered a spirit of connection

learning and transformation across delpas alheights and sacrameno the program bridges the gap

between local farmers and families in need by delivering fresh nutrient rich rich vegetables

to our diverse community with your support we have seen first hand the smiles of children excited

to explore their vegetable bags the gratitude of parents relief to provide healthy meals for

their families and the enthusiasm of individual discovering how fresh produce can be a cornerstone

of their health through this program participants experience transformative moments

accessibility to fresh food many families tasted vegetables at their peak of freshness for the

first time enriching their understanding of the farm to fork food systems as well as strengthening

their connection to local agriculture community empowerment beyond access to produce professional

chefs hosted engaging demonstrations on preparing the food in innovative ways empowering families to

adopt healthier cooking habits these workshops instilled confidence and creativity in the kitchen

while fostering a deeper appreciation for local farming economic support for farmers i think

you heard about that cultural and economic unity our community diverse and culture and economics

found a shared value in the program it united individuals through the universal goal of health

and well-being cultivating a sense of belonging and mutual respect the smiles of children's faces

and the heartfelt gratitude from parents were testaments to the program success stories of

families experiencing fresh vegetables for the first time and learning to create healthy meals

were truly inspiring participants express overwhelming appreciation for the opportunity to

access affordable high quality produce while learning lifelong skills to enhance their well-being

it goes on i may just have to email it to you because i want to respect your time as well

but i did want to just kind of share a few other things um this is an example of the signs that we

would make of what's in their bag and so the okra comes up a lot so let me tell you okra is so

important to so many cultures and last year when we did the program the feedback was this is not

enough okra for my family or to prepare a meal so we worked really closely with the farmers in

october and november to say hey can you actually grow more of this and so this year

they were so happy with the amount of okra they got and so when we work with our farmers

and ask them to grow something for us they're actually able to meet the demand side by increasing

the supply side so it really helped to do that pilot the first year and then to kind of fine-tune

the quantity and the types of varieties of foods that our communities are looking for and then they

were really curious about all the things that they've never seen before and we were just all

learning together like taro and lufa and so many other things like jujubez um and at the end of the

day i want to share a couple other things about the other folks who this program really supported

we had people who lived outside you know they would come to our program and ask well i don't have

an address and we said just use the robbers and centers address right they they they live there

ok we had people who were pregnant and oftentimes if they were ill and could not come we would

deliver the bags to them so really it was rooted in community and then the other piece that i

want to talk about is this gentleman Derek who primarily his occupation is working at the golden

one center however when he was looking for more work he found us and so he's actually been helping

build the greenhouse earlier this year in the summer he signed up to be the driver to help pick up

the produce and then to bring it to the robberson center to get a setup and even did a delivery

route um for some of the weeks after talking to Derek we learned that he actually was a professional

chef from the south and he used to cook for celebrities and so two months into the program

he's now cooking meals in the program and that to us is about how we tap into the participatory

aspect of this program where everyone gets to participate the community really gets a tap into

their skills um and then the evaluation portion is just one other thing that um i wanted to let you

all know that it was not funded by measure you but we were fortunate enough to be able to leverage

other funding sources and partnerships with our institutional partners to really make that an

important aspect of this program and so if you all would be so kind to fund this program again

we just ask that that is included and considered the evaluation aspect of the program thank you very

much thank you so much before um we we will have some questions and comments for you all but before

we do that we need to ask if there are any members of the public who wish to speak on this item thank

you chair i do have one speaker slip on this item mr. Lambert davis

now this isn't this is a great example uh the del Paso Heights uh growers alliance but before I

get there i did want to which is it measure you i wanted to thank i saw they gave an honor to

chair dickerson i wanted to co-sign that because that was a great thing you did back in January

my family we were here for city council and you spoke up on my uh experience and i thought

that was very courageous of you so i wanted to acknowledge you there and at the same time you

uh del Paso Heights growers alliance i'm a native my parents moved here in 1946 you go back that far

and come this way everything they just said touched me because they were growers too i knew a lot of

my friends parents they were from the south they moved from the south so they knew how to farm land

they used to they were amazing and what i just heard brought back memories of that uh it's my

understanding and i know i went to a lot of meetings i lobbied for this group because they they're

just inspirational to the neighborhood and i believe it was 150k and i said in front of the city

council that if you don't give people a raise working at city hall who work remotely if you don't

give them a raise you're not demoting them you're just not giving them a raise they're not they don't

have to come down here only minty cup he comes down here that would save enough money to fund that

a hundred and fifty thousand dollars and i think as regani she go out of his way to accommodate

this group this is a wonderful program and i came out of my way today to come convey that to you

thank you for your comments chair i have no other speaker slips on this item great thank you um

well i want to thank the group for being here tonight and really more importantly i want to thank

you all for what you're doing um both as the chair of this commission but also as the d2

representative um on the measure you commission i'm so inspired and grateful for the creativity the

energy the passion you have for raising up our our shared community and um you know this is a great

example of the kind of things that that need to need to be done need to be continued need to be

expanded um and you know fingers crossed that that things will improve in d2 with programs like this

and i see that i have some other commenters so i'm going to go ahead but really from bottom

eye heart thank you for what you're doing and how you've you've taken this this opportunity and

really run with it um vice chair salah well welcome congratulations on a successful program and

thank you for being here i i just want to say that when i read the proposal i was so excited

and i thought oh could we have this in garland north kane and um because it's exactly we we do i'm

very surprised to hear that um district two you have no city funded community gardens

but you now have a new city council member and hopefully that city council member is listening

and we'll find money to to get a community garden we have a community garden um

in in garland north kane but um it's not utilized the way it needs to i think the vision the

way the vision was it's not being utilized because we don't have a program like yours that brings

a community that helps them helps the community understand how to grow and all of the aspects that

you just described in your community in your program we don't have it and that was something that

i think is very needed and i really love two things about that that caught my attention is teaching

we often think that um everyone knows how to cook with fresh vegetables and cook ethnic food

in a healthy way and that's not that's not the case so having a chef to show how you can you can cook

culturally um traditional food in a very healthy way using fresh vegetables is amazing

it's a it's a game changer i think and then also that that we the other thing that i was attracted

to your program was the fact that you would have you used bi pop farmers to and and supplemented

what they're doing so that they could grow and come back into the community and sell because

we tried a farmers market and um in our area going on northgate and it didn't take off because we

couldn't the farmers it wasn't at the beginning wasn't sustainable enough for them to continue going

because they were being charged the services for the table blah blah blah and um and then the community

was like i can go to um food co and get it cheaper and that's not what we wanted so

you having that component in your program is of critical importance it makes a difference

so i unfortunately this was a pilot program and the city the city council decided not to fund

and um um participatory budgeting again for this coming year because we could have taken your

program as a model and and and and and a new program in a different district but the same model

could have been implemented there however i'm hoping that you you are thought about applying to

measure health funding because youth prevention mental health all of those things you talked about

trauma all of that is is so critical to your program and it and it it could be um if you haven't

thought about it you should think about it in times running out but you still have time

to really consider applying for that money for your program um to continue and support it and

and that as as i know that the city is is in a difficult situation but you have the data now

that you can show that it's effective and it's making a difference in who you're serving

and and it should be a way to advocate and i know we will do our best to advocate for all of these

amazing programs that the on participatory budgeting funded that we can we can push and promote

these because they're so important and um and other communities need to benefit for programs

so thank you very much and i look forward to um seeing you again and more thank you

you um commissioner wolf yeah i just wanted to say thank you to all you guys for this really

important work um you know as modern society goes on we keep getting more focused on screens and

having nice cell phones in our pockets right it's it's these kind of acts that are like

fundamentally connect you to what it meant to be human you know like these these kinds of things

really are essential to that like well-being experience of what millions of human beings experience

before you know we arrived here in these seats today so um i just want to say thank you to all

you guys for what you're doing and hopefully the city can find ways to continue to support you

and help expand the program so um yeah thanks for everything all of you did thank you um commissioner

hojage i want to go ahead and echo and expand on all my fellow commissioners comments uh thank you so

much for this wonderful presentation um i have i guess some interesting uh not me but my wife is a

dietician and her focus during her dietic internship was uh food insecurity in lower

income communities and the correlation between access to healthy fresh foods and uh quality of life

and so through my wife i know a little bit about food and quality of life and that was all like

kept thinking about during your presentation was the work you are doing is so important in

improving the lives of the people in district two which many people within del Paso Heights

are lower income and so having a program like yours is so important and i love seeing

um the success from your from your program i also loved the um nature rx

aspect um as one of you mentioned the osemites basically in our backyard the osemite is

my favorite place on earth i go there a couple times a year and that is such a privilege and i think

it is so unfortunate that some people who live only three hours away never get an opportunity to go

and so for you to give people an opportunity to experience your samadhi and experience

nature like that because it is such an incredible valley um i love to see so thank you so much i

i know we mentioned that from measure you there may not be an opportunity for funding but if

there is an opportunity with measure l and just in the future just to keep fighting i know

you have advocates here that will push for you but keep up the great fight and thank you so much

for being here you know commissioner gaurus thank you madam chair um no surprise for tima you're

involved in this so i know for tima we serve on the first five advisor committee um she's a

fighter there she's a fighter here um she inspires me and uh i i want to echo my fellow commissioners

thank you for what you do um whether it's food nutrition or educating someone in a

community about equity which i i've experienced um it's just amazing to see and just uh also piggybacking

off um commissioner holdjudge you have advocates here that will definitely make sure that we we

push for you and because it's really important so please apply for um the grants with with uh

thank you uh commissioner magee echoing all the other sentiments but i just wanted to highlight um for

me it was the composting because um i want to say i'm a composter i don't know if i can claim that

title but i certainly do put all my scraps into my green bin but you know it stops there but i

think the educational aspect of the actual composting and the turning over of the soil and

watching the soil break through down and go through that process like that is so fascinating to me

and i might have missed it but then is the community coming back and using the compost like how

are you utilizing the compost when it goes through the process if you could kind of speak to the

the scientific nerd in me um and then also again to say like job well done and i i love that you

elevated the aspect of evaluation because you know data tells a story and informs and that's where

you begin to get traction when you can tell longitudinally through time right the impact so that is

something that i think that a lot of entities don't look at long term it's the continuous evaluation

that's going to continue to drive forward um you know the implementation and the success of the

program so i'm wishing you all the best and um you might see me out there real soon yeah no thank you um

i i almost brought this big old uh temperature probe with me but i thought that might be a little too

cheesy so i just brought a little jar of honey to show some of the other things that we've

handed out like local honey and things but to answer your question yes um i i i will say i was out

there yesterday getting a really good exercise in turning the compost pile um and checking the

temperature because you want it make sure it's not too cold not too hot and i will tell you

that pile that julie was talking about yesterday the the meter read 140 degrees okay so it's

60 degrees outside but inside that pile it is steaming hot and um so the microorganisms are doing

the work right um but to answer your question of what do we do with the compost so um we will use it

in our gardens we have 12 plots at the root seller community garden we welcome you to come be a

community composer with us we're hoping that one day that all the leaf season that the city and

all the leafs that they pick up maybe they could drop it off at these community composting hubs

like ours there's actually 12 community compost hubs in sacrament of that are being funded by calry

cycle we're one of the sites in partnership with the california lines for community composting where

we're learning and getting training and the idea would be that how do we get more people um in

rolled or or participating and hey bring your food scraps here watch it break down and then

ultimately one day um the the farmers that we talked about so it's new roots farm in west sacrament

or that you all can go shopping at they actually have a free compost pile and a free mulch pile

and um they're starting a big old compost they're they got the big composter I mean we built like

the major one there so you can just bring shovels and buckets and bags and go get free compost so

ultimately that would be the idea if we go the economic route maybe one day we could also

package it and you know sustain the garden through some micro enterprises but right now it really

is no cost to the community thank you thank you thank you thank you any other questions or comments

again thank you so so much and um you know I don't want to um commit but I I suspect we have been a

really really strong we initiated participatory budgeting as a pilot project we have one of the

pilot programs um but I think there has been consistent support for continuing it um it as as more

than a pilot and and building on the work that the initial grantees like you received and one of

the things I'm so I'm so pleased to see your comments about evaluation because that was one of the

things that we built into that for all of the pilot programs because we felt it was really really

important to have some objective analysis of the impact to to um undergird the the inspiration

that the actual stories because the stories are critically important and incredibly meaningful

and impactful and so um yeah it is it's going to be a really really really challenging budget season

but I think you will hear this um commission continue to advocate for participatory budgeting as

as a as a commitment for um for the city in the future and we'll we'll keep our fingers crossed

and we will be calling on you to make these kinds of presentations to council members because they

need to you know hear the sort stories see the impacts see the people who are participating so

thanks thank you for being here any discussion okay then I'm going to move us to item four which

is overview of the city's ongoing performance measures update process and we have um Amy Williams

chief of staff here uh thank you for being here we look forward to the conversation thank you for

having me this is going to populate ash thank you uh good evening measure you community advisory

commissioner Dickinson good evening and good evening um measure you commissioners my name is Amy

Williams and I am Howard Chan's chief of staff and I'm really pleased to be here today to go over

this overview but really it's actually a kickoff um of a pretty big project and um it's exciting

to be here tonight to discuss this with you but before I do I wanted to explain a little bit about

part of my job and why it is I'm speaking to you tonight because as Howard's chief of staff I get

the privilege of working with the department directors directly a lot on different projects and so

for this particular project is very important um having that continuity of contact with them will

be really helpful in addition to that as part of my job um I get the pleasure of working with ash

in the city manager's office he works for me under a lot of doing a lot of different special projects

one of them is performance measures so um there's that continuity so ash and I are going to tag team

with a group of other folks um and so that is what I am here tonight I would like to take you

through just a few slides um let's start with just the history um our approach to tracking

performance measures has really evolved throughout the years um back in 2017 we had blossomed to

tracking well over a thousand um data points and at that point we realized hey maybe this is

maybe we should focus in and get a little bit more um leadership around why are we tracking things

and um what are they connected to what strategies what goals um and you know also spend time with

the departments because each department so very different in the city and what they're trying to

accomplish and what services they're providing so we we took part in refining these measures and

to date we are at approximately 500 city wide measures we also have an additional 90

performance measures that come with the budget every year um those somewhat overlap but

generally they're kind of a standalone their own budget um document performance measures so we

have around 600 performance measures to date so as you can see capacity has always been an issue

here we could track a whole lot but what we want to do is track the valuable metrics that really

provide the data that we're looking for to help drive better management decisions um and also

so that we're as efficient as we possibly can be um so we're again we're making sure that the

measures that we have um are driving the value are driving um a value and um helping our managers

make better decisions um and being as efficient as we can be so um moving along you know that's

the history part of it but the most recent developments include back in the fall of 2023 the

city manager organized an offsite priority setting with council and this was just to discuss

priority setting and then do a priority setting um dot voting exercise um and the nine as you see

on the on the slide there was nine categories those all came from discussions with the council

and um at the end of the day they had their dots and they voted on what were their priorities

and of the nine four of them homeless public safety housing deferred maintenance and infrastructure

became kind of a kind of key priorities because the idea is that you know once you have your

council priorities then we can set goals that align with those priorities and then those goals

have metrics um and measurements so that we can measure our success um so and that was what

the city manager then put forth two department directors um so during that exercise

uh the city manager said let's start aligning our goals to these council priorities and let's

update our measures as needed um in addition so that was in the fall in addition to that

the measure you committee you presented to budget and audit and at that budget and audit committee

staff heard back um you know staff go back to measure you with a plan for updating performance

measures and self ta ta here i am today so we we know what we're trying to do we're trying to align

our performance measures to council priorities and department goals we understand that this is

going to be iterative it's going to take some time we do have some capacity issues but there is

a commitment in this organization historically we've we've we've tracked performance measures this

isn't new to us this is something that um it's culturally part of what we do um something just

to add that's you know a very um city hall thing every once in a while we get new council members

and new electeds and so just in a few weeks we are expecting uh to welcome a new mayor

and to new council persons and so with that they could decide to do an offsite or even just do a

workshop to kind of reevaluate um and have an opportunity to participate in what are these

priorities and and if those priorities change that may impact a little bit of what what we do

and where we focus to um if we're going to align our goals with priorities and if they modify so

but that's just kind of um how it how it works and i was just going to point that out to you but

what i do know for sure um and i didn't flip that sorry so what i do know for sure this slide is

what i want to share with you um we're coming back and ash and i have already started working with

department directors and um discussing with them what materials what kind of presentation to bring

forward to the measure you committee starting in January with yipsy and i understand that you all

chose um these to come forward based on your interest um as a group and so as you can see there's

the the date of each um presentation where our departments will come come forward and share with

you their operational programs and their services that they provide and you will have an opportunity

to learn ask questions and then provide feedback um so that is all being scheduled we're already

working on it to make sure that runs smoothly um and so our timeline right now we're in the

preparation phase this is a preparation phase this is just our kickoff um this is where we're going to

set forth in motion these opportunity for feedback in all of 2025 and then we'll start refining

and i will tell you that you know we believe that healthy performance management

is always an iterative it isn't something that concludes it's something that evolves it's

something that we learn from it's flexible and and the team is really committed uh to continuous

improvement and we're ready for your feedback along the way and with that that's my brief presentation

and i'm um looking forward to your questions thank you so much before we get to questions i need to

ask if we have any um request to speak from the public thank you chair i do have one speaker

slip on this item mr. Lambert Davis

um i'm a person that uh is a big fan of uh data that's how you can uh tell i was so proud of

del Paso Heights alliance because they have everything you've been asking for

including evaluating how they spent the money where it went but i noticed when this

presentation was made maybe we can see it again but it i have a good memory though

but it started with homeless and it went down and it was zero for the youth i mean

it should be the other way around the youth should be focused on and then i i noticed dEI which

i'm a stickler i'm a big stickler on how that's being used that was also very low on that

presentation and uh i i'm on record is saying in front of city hall that i think there's a

resistance to dIE and it just showed me on that graph it was very low and it is a low priority for

the uh city managers office i'm i'm considered very controversial when it comes to dealing with

the city managers office and i'm going to continue to be that way because i've said many times when

i come to city hall i'm studying city hall like i'm trying to get a degree you do not get a degree

study in too long i was taught long time ago you if you study too long you're studying wrong

so that graph confirmed that to me it should not be hard to find money for the youth just don't

give people a raise who are working remotely i mean what is the raise for they don't even have to

leave home thank you for your comments chair i have no additional speaker slips great thank you

um and i know this is a subject near and dear to the committee's heart so uh so i'm sure

we're looking forward to having a really good dialogue with you tonight thanks for being here

this is long been well it's been a responsibility of ours to look at performance measures

uh since the committee now commission was established and and so we we have made some um i think

strong comments and are pleased to see that there's that there's some activity on this front

and really excited that ash is part of that because i think that'll really help keep the um the

communication links open um i see i already have one commissioner ready to ask a question so um

commissioner maceus hi good evening thanks for the presentation in the overview

i was wondering about as the agencies or departments are coming up with their their performance

measures what they do to seek um you know community or public input on on what their their

keeper formats measures or indicators might be i think um well that's a good question for when

the departments come forward um next year when they do their presentation but it's been my experience

that it's depending on the department um they they probably i've not known one to go out and actually

seek specifically what do you want us to track um it's more of an operational decision department

directors make what am i tracking why am i tracking it and also you know what's most important to

council the city manager and they do have a lens of um the public the audience that that's i

community bet um generally these are operational performance measures but they're they're not given

advice or expectations to to seek out public input so if i can chime in uh you know it's a lot of

times two it'll depend on the um kind of subject matter right so you know one of my performance

indicators for finance i don't want any audit findings right but i'm not i'm not going to go out to

the public and kind of get that feedback from them that's just um what what we want to see in

finance whereas um you know the police department has really active engagement with the public and

so when they're looking at um how some of their services are going on the same thing with fire

same thing with parks um they're getting that feedback from the public as part of that process

but like what Amy said um you know on the department level a lot of times what we're trying to do

is make sure our operations are running efficiently and that's kind of how we ballooned to

producing a thousand performance measures for everyone to see and then everyone saying i don't

know how to interpret a thousand performance measures are we making progress and so part of

this goal is to engage with council get feedback from the measure you commissioned as well uh you

know work with the city manager and try to say what are the what do we want to report out on that's

going to show whether or not um one we're running our programs well but we're achieving our results

we could be running the wrong programs and running them really well but we want to see that

impact in the community so we want to try to get both of those sorts of things and so it's

going to depend on the measure it's going to depend on the service but we do want to be responsive

and hear from the public thank you any anything else um then commissioner George off

thanks for presentation Amy so I guess I have some questions you know you kind of mentioned like

we're going from a thousand to five hundred and now there's like 90 I assume those 90 were the ones

in like SB one that were published we have 500 plus than 90 okay 100 plus than 90 and those are

going to be fairly high level measures right like these are department level metrics that you

would look at if you were say a department head I assume um it depends some of them are pretty

granular some of them would be almost more like division managers are also looking at those so they

it yeah it varies gotcha so yeah when I when I hear like we have a thousand data points obviously

if they're useless then that would be you know something to ask of course because it costs money

to basically track these right and effort and staff but what I also am curious of I guess to hear

more of this sort of P you you mentioned like you know I have metrics internally to my department

that are specific to me that you know public necessarily wouldn't care about but like to evaluate

my program it's important right when we're looking at you know the 92 programs that measure you

funds for example we have to go on over all of them from a program level right not necessarily

from a department level right so when I when we are given metrics say that the 90 or the ones

away I see an SB one those aren't granular enough for example to evaluate a program's individual

impact on the higher up level metric that you would see in those sort of department level metric

category if I'm saying that right so I'm curious as to you know I it like concerns me a little

bit to hear that like the metrics are like decreasing um because we I would be advocating actually

for maybe not an increase for no reason but like an increase for purpose right like um if I go

over the 92 things that we fund for example many of those don't report back something objective

right it's sort of like you know we have a pro we have progress in this um in this program and it's

been going well and you know we expect to spend the money by the end of the year or something like

that it's like okay well what sort of impact that you have on our community right and sort of like

tying those together which sounds like it's super important to you guys like how do you see those

metrics um how do you see like that sort of laddering up uh happening with the metrics that you

are creating internally with this new program do that make sense it does yeah so I think um

there are kind of a bunch there are a lot of different things there um and there are a lot of

nuances and I think that's going to be one of the really positive things when we engage with

measure you in the departments kind of talk about these um there's some so for example there are

some programs where you know you might get mixed funding and the example you know Amy and I were

talking about is you know support for the arts right so you know measure you might provide some

support for a specific program to the crocker uh the city's providing some other general fun

support to the crocker um I think what we want to think about is well you know what is our

overall goal in supporting some of these artistic institutions right and so maybe that's

driving youth or community engagement or things like that and so we wouldn't necessarily want

a separate set of measure you metrics which are supporting you know buying tickets for kids

and another one for the JECC City General Fund which is you know supporting general operations

so I think we'd want to kind of see what are the goals of these programs and what are measurements

that are going to show if we're making progress on them um you know I think when we when we talk

about a lot of the things where you know we have a lot of these measurements we're not we're not

measuring things um just to measure them for the most part but when we're talking about performance

measurement um you know more generally and what we would report out and what do we want to give to

kind of you know advisory bodies and governing bodies and the public to show whether we're

doing well or not we can't give 50,000 metrics we we need to kind of focus on what are our priorities

what are our goals and really what's going to measure kind of what are we doing are we doing it well

and is the whole program if we're doing it well making it better so that's kind of the ethos

behind it and I think there's just a lot of nuance um there was a lot of nuance in what

what you said and kind of how we build that up and um I think that's going to be part of that

ongoing conversation um and when you get want to get to that more granular level really when the

departments come they're going to be able to to talk about that um much more intelligently than I

can for like police and parks and fire sure that makes sense so I guess just to clear semantics when

I mentioned program I'm saying like the line item so it would be like you know five million dollars

for like a police hiring pipeline or like one million for whatever right um and so you know a

program uh level metric is going to be very different than like a department right like as you

mentioned like measure you metrics or something like that I don't think measures you would really

have necessarily metrics it would be sort of very similar like you said like the city goals and so

like when we see when we go to public and we're publishing sort of like you know what's our progress

on homelessness right because as we saw that was one of the number one things um that our city council

members care about that's going to have a us you know a few metrics or slew metrics that you

know reflect that but when I go to a program it might be cross-departmental right um so that's

the other thing to kind of yeah think about so I wouldn't think of it as like the finance

department's going to pick three different measures and that's all we're going to produce the

way that I would think about it is we have those priorities and we're going to have measures that

see if we're making sense uh making progress on those priorities and those will cut across departments

yeah totally I think that's a great way of doing it because like I said I don't think measure you

should have specific metrics to it right like it's sort of like the city is a whole how are we

progressing right that makes a lot of sense I guess what I'm trying to get at is when I have when I'm

trying to evaluate the program like because when we make decisions for the budget right because

ultimately it's like where do we put money right that's the that's why we're doing metric

collection is because we need to determine you know are we doing something efficiently here not

efficiently there and like how do we adjust right um and so when I'm making those decisions if I

was in that spot um I would want to look at it from a program line item level right not from a

to top down level because that's very high level and I can't when we're funding programs individually

it's like well do I fund this one or this one like I have no idea how that has had an impact on those

really top level homeless metrics that the city's capturing right and so yeah there will be data

uh like lower than just number more granular than just are we making progress on the point in

top account yeah there's going to be those things at the program level and those are really going

to be the good discussions and the robust discussions to have with the departments yeah okay sounds good

um yeah I guess on on that then you know um you know a great that we're like consolidating metrics

that are top level it just seems to me like I would be concerned about reducing metrics or

capturing metrics from from the lower level that make decision possible and it's it's also making

taking another look at those lower level metrics and saying hey does is this really the are we

really measuring what is going to make progress on our goal or not um and you know are we still and

like Amy said it's just an iterative process and as we learn whether or not something makes sense or

as priorities change we're going to have to shift and that's what we're trying to do now and I

I know I've talked to some of you offline um I've gone through this exercise and another jurisdiction

I was compared to like turning a ship um it's something that uh takes a lot of effort and it

takes a lot of time it's such a big organization um you know cities do so many different things

that it's it it's a lot of pushing for a lot of time and then you kind of turn the corner and make

progress. Makes sense I guess lastly I just want to sort of hint on to something what we talked

about when we were talking about budget audit um and that seemed like you know the at least the

members of that committee were in favor of which like the collaboration aspect right um so obviously

we have people coming to present to us that's fantastic I think we're sort of planning on doing that

regardless of metrics just for like other reasons but metrics of course can tag along which is great um

I guess I'm curious to hear what do you think would be best in terms of like a collaboration

effort outside of just like sort of this dialogue um which is very restrained I suppose in terms of

you know getting things uh on paper you know we were what we were thinking because we were kind

of thinking like what's the as far as a first step what's the best way for us to get uh kind of

feedback from the committee and that's why we were thinking the right first venue would be for

the departmental presentations because you're going to have um you know the subject matter expert

there you're kind of going to be talking through a lot of the things that they're doing um especially

with respect to measure you and they're going to have some ideas of what you know they think are

kind of good measurements um and you're going to have good ideas about that and we we thought okay

well that's the first step of the kind of engagement for us to get your feedback um then take it back

and then kind of think about how do we you know incorporate that and then you know we'll probably at

you know at some point come back with measures and you're going to have um feedback on those and so

that's kind of that iterative process but we think the first the best first step is to get the

people who kind of know the detail a lot more than well Amy knows more detail than me but a lot more

than than us and uh start the conversation that way and then we can have that kind of iterative

process yeah that sounds good uh I guess when I was looking at that schedule it looked like some of

those meetings were happening almost closer to like November right it was like of next year right

so I'm curious is that correct for the department yeah they do trickle um they start January 13th the

last one is DCR in November of next year because you just saw DCR um I did have a conversation with

Ash earlier today about possibly thinking about um rearranging or more making them more efficient

where they come in their groups perhaps um like the like we do when you do the budget uh if

if the commission would be open to that just um but we could dive into that so that we're just a

little bit more tighter on the schedule but more efficient but we can we can talk about that offline

yeah so the initial order of departments in your work plan was based on the priority

or I don't know there was some sort of ranking survey we sent out to see where you all had the

most interest um but yeah we're thinking it might make more sense to just group the departments by

their um sort of uh group that they work within within the city as they kind of each assistance

city manager has a portfolio of departments that report to them so there's like a municipal services

public safety etc so we might tinker with that a little bit but rest assured you'll get all of

the presentations over the course of the year and that's really argo yes uh follow up then uh

what do you guys expect for like the first draft of all the metrics that um we would be able to

give feedback on when or what when yeah um I'm not sure yet so yeah I'm not sure uh you know we

I have been telling people we we've already done our budget kickoff so as part of you know the

the fiscal year 26th budget book uh we're not going to have this incorporated um you know

ideally we would be able to use this kind of new performance measurement system for the following

years budget but you know we shouldn't wait until the budget to to produce it so I think it's

going to see it's going to kind of depend on um you know potentially direction from the new council

if they want to radically change direction that might change things around um but yeah so it'll

it's kind of TBD but you know we'll be having these regular touch points as the departments

present and then we'll be able to give up things great thanks appreciate it thank you um commissioner

Pascal uh thanks for the presentation that's a couple of questions to add on to what my uh

colleagues had um mentioned one um we had a presentation back in august from the on the seed

tool and the equity equity and not remembering acronym but I'm curious to know how these um

performance measures will overlay with that sort of view of the city in terms of investments and

and struggling communities and um you know how or if you know what if anything is the vision for

looking at the performance measures as they relate to goals around um you know uplifting

under-advested in communities and so forth yeah I mean I think that's going to be kind of part of

the conversation that we have um I think as all you know the council has been advancing an equity

analysis as part of the budget process and so we piloted uh three departments last year we'll

probably have more a few more departments this year and so a lot of those kind of questions around

impact on various communities are being incorporated and so um you know I can see that potentially

being incorporated into the the performance measures as well but those are kind of questions that

would be uh good to ask the department heads when they come because they'll be able to speak about

that in their specific uh program areas. Is our measure sort of of um equity and equitable

investment in various communities broadly part of this part of the project you're doing I mean

is that is that a lens that's going to be applied to every department? Well you know the city

hasn't adopted you know the council hasn't adopted an equity lens so I think one of the kind of

one of the things to think about um is equity can mean different things to different people right

who say that so I think that's just something that as far as you know specific equity concerns it's

it's a good idea to bring that up to the department heads and then they can see how that would

fit into their performance management but without a citywide lens you know adopted by council

it's difficult to say okay well here's the one approach we're going to take because council

hasn't adopted an approach but the individual department heads can certainly you know speak to

how they see that in their programs. And just one last question you know we are tasked as a committee

each year with developing a public report that among other things includes a review of performance

measures and an evaluation of city expenditures and I think we've been I don't want to speak for the

group but it seems like this is kind of a struggling or a conversation we have every year around how

do we get our arms around performance measures what is the data that's available to us? Do you think

you know at the end of this project will we as a committee be able to you know go somewhere just

I'm of course sort of dashboard and pull down data that we would be able to say

you know this is what the performance of measure you dollars is this is the impact the measure

you's been having in various areas or is that too ambitious of a vision for us?

Well it's hard I mean because there is an existing measure you dashboard right and so you know

there will be a performance dashboard and it will help to say here are some of the measure you

things or measure you you know programs and performance but you're going to have an you're going

to have say an input to talk to the department heads on kind of what your opinions are as a commission

that that should look like but I mean you will have measures it's just like as an individual committee

member are you going to feel like oh this is exactly what I want I don't I can't speak to that

right but you know you'll have measures like you do now we're just hoping they're going to be

more impactful measures that align with council priorities that'd be great step I think thank you

thank you um commissioner Johnston thank you so much for the presentations very helpful especially

as a relatively new commissioner just kind of getting a more context on how the city thinks through

these budgetary decisions I just wanted to clarify some of the things that my colleagues have said

that I think are underlying assumptions that you've articulated and I want to make sure that I

understand them that there is no mindset within the city that is separating metrics between general

fund city met city budget and measure you funds because you know there's these 500 metrics or

measures no measures were created because of measure you um no separate decision process like the

city council's priorities they didn't set aside this is our measure you priority this is our city

I'm not saying there should be I just want to make sure that I understand because our purview is

measure you funds but we all start very well where they're going into the general fund as well

so I just want to make sure that I'm understanding how the city is approaching this when the

department heads come to us they're thinking through general fund and measure you fund performance

metrics the same because to them it's the same funding is that is that kind of the understanding

well council when uh when council did their priorities they did not say you know hear my priorities

for general fund and hear my priorities for measure you they they said here are our priorities

for the city yeah right for all the funds in the city um I think what you're hearing from us is

we can't run a bunch of separate performance management systems um with you know here's metrics

that are going to be specific to various measure you things and here are metrics that are going to be

specific to general fund I mean obviously in practice there will be that because there are programs

that are fully funded by measure you and there are programs fully funded by the general fund if that

makes sense yeah it does you know I'm not saying me and I I don't want to speak for the other

commissioners are advocating that you duplicate staff work I don't think that's anybody's desire

ambition why I think we want to make sure it's as efficient as possible I just uh it's uh for me

relatively and you can just try to understand the line between you know our responsibilities make

sure measure you funds are overseen and following the mandate within the within the legal requirements

and making sure that when we're doing that we're also being completely honest and recognizing the

fact that this is kind of in the in the general fund as well so the cities overarching concerns kind

of get over obviously enveloped are the measure you uh responsibilities get obviously enveloped

within the city so when we're looking at it we're assessing the same values and assessments

that the city council is doing generally throughout the city as well and not that they're setting aside

because it's this fine line right that we're walking of recognizing the measure you has this

certain mandate but it's also within the general fund so I just want to make sure that I'm

understanding the city isn't approaching it differently they're not looking at others and again

I'm not saying that they should I just want to make sure I understand when I'm assessing the

measures that this is kind of the global city priorities that are in place are the cities approaching

it the same way for general fund yeah I think what I would say is we want to you we want to bring

kind of a standard approach to you know the city has 300 plus funds right general fund is one

measure you fund is another and we want to have you know a set of performance metrics that makes

sense for the city but that you can also see how the measure you dollars are performing because

because you know what programs are funding so that's kind of what we're looking at or what we're

thinking thinking about oh you know it's a challenge and we talked to any about it to like the

nuance there so you hit it on the noses there's like this nuance is dance so we'll have to do yeah great

thank you thank you commissioner maceous I just wanted to follow up on something that

committee member pescom said about the you know a dashboard or I mean right now that I mean I

think the dashboard we get ash sends do I so I don't think it's live online somewhere there was it

I bet that it is online to anybody who has the link we just haven't post we haven't posted that

link on the measure you page mainly because it was still kind of a draft and there's a weird lag that

happens where it's based on the quarterly financial reports that you receive and there is no

fourth quarter financial report and so actually the next update will take place in the next month or

so so you you'll get the first quarter hopefully in December and then we can explore potentially adding

that link to the to the webpage that's it I mean this is my last meeting I just wanted to raise

something we've so I've been on for two years and something we've raised and I've seen in letters

dating back to 2018 just about making this information as public as possible you know the dashboard

there is a link but there's no way for the public to find that there's nowhere and just the

transparency of what measure you is doing and the performance would be great if people could

intuitively think if I went to the measure you webpage I could find where the money goes some

detail about what it's being spent on what are the measures that they're how they're measuring

performance how they're doing against those measures but your intuition would be wrong you can't

find that information and I'm not blaming either of you and I appreciate the work you're

doing to come up with that and I just wanted to raise my final meeting and since I have you here

that I just encourage you to for the sake of the transparency that the public was was promised for

this and what I think where you sense frustration sometimes from from folks here it just feels like

you know just information we've all wanted to work with it feels like oh we were pointing to this

was the role we were given to try to to assess the you know assess the performance and give our

recommendations and it's just always felt kind of hard to do that that that information isn't there

and then we've wanted as much as possible to make this available to the public and until anyway

I just hope you can keep that in mind and as this sometimes even where we've heard well the

public could find it if they went to the you know 529 page budget or something they might be

able to find it if with a word search or if they took time to read it but you know just be great

that we could figure out ways to put this on the measure you website where people might think they

would find it and anyway so thank you for your presentations and your time and and it's I think

I look forward to seeing what happens as a just a regular citizen thank you member George off

yeah I'm just going to triple down on the dashboard thing just because I also created a request

for documents because I figured that was like the only way to get the measurements like actual

measurements for like SB1 metrics for example or alternative department metrics and it took

quite a while to get it so I feel honestly bad for you guys internally because I imagine it's

equally complex to like make an analysis of various metrics that you would think would be relevant

to your day-to-day operations for example if you need to like cross departments like how do you

see that it seems probably pretty complex if like it took me this this public request has gone on

for like six months and it was like still quite a quite a long time before those things happen so

surely for the efficiency of you guys as well as us yeah some sort of public dashboard or like

some way to get those metrics pulled quickly would be that's the goal I mean we you know I don't

know if you've all been able to see what the IMT has done as far as the homelessness services dashboard

which I think is really great I think that's a great public facing you know report and yeah I

mean I think once when we can kind of get the metric get get ourselves in a better space with

the metrics and what we want to measure coming up with good ways to show it publicly is really

important and I take your point as well as making sure the information's accessible easily on the

website so we'll we'll take a look at that too.

Lister Sala.

Yes thank you this is to really great that this is happening now because we've been asking for

this kind of dialogue for several years at least since I've been part of the commission so I'm

really happy that we're we're having this dialogue and we're going to have this dialogue with

the departments because the for since I've been on the commission I get the community constantly saying

are we having an impact where's our money going to measure you money that's supposed to go into

under-resourced communities and how is it how is it benefiting these communities and you know give

I give the general brushstroke and and and kind of the mayor says it as well since you know

2017 with the measure you money goes into general fund we've been able to do xy and z but that's

the broad brushstroke and I think and I don't think he's he's not inaccurate about that but

the communities want to know really specifically if so much money went into the police department

for outreach and for increasing the diversity of the police and doing outreach and

working along those lines because that's where the for now most of the money goes in the police

department they want to know okay where's the impact on that and we we get the general report yes

we we we so many young ladies young girls went into you know participated in our program and

Deborah but then we where is it you know the outcome and that's just one example so I'm glad that

we're having this discussion and we're getting there we're not it's not going to be enough for us

when we have to make the decision what what frustrates me is that we get the budget cutout comes out

from from the manager's office and then we basically are either saying yes we agree with it

or no we don't agree with it and we would like to put a priority in this area but but it's it's

almost for me it feels like I'm doing this in the dark and so the fact that we will be having

very specific discussions with the department and say last year you got we gave it says here

you got so much money to do this so tell us how you know that made a difference

will be great and I know it won't be good for this budget cycle but hopefully we'll have

something that will be more beneficial for us in the next budget cycle so I'm glad that this

is happening it is way overdue thank you thank you I have a couple of observations and questions

and I really appreciate you being here I appreciate that this this initiative is moving forward

I as you heard earlier as you know the last standing member from the original appointees

we literally on one of our budget letters asked what the city's priorities were because there was

no list of priorities in the budget so I feel like in some ways progress is it's the ship of state

progress is slow but now there are priorities sure they they may change and we need to honor what

what council members do but we actually have priorities which is really an essential first step

towards having performance measures because you really can't measure anything meaningful if you're

measuring if you're not measuring it against some priority so you know I I feel like we can check

that box as progress progress having been made and and appreciate that a lot and and I think that

what you said earlier about driving better management decisions and being efficient as possible

and contributing to continuous improvement is really important I think the one element that is

missing for me is impact as impact is really a critical element of performance measurement activity

and and those other things are are also critically important but but I think I mean what I'd like to see

is when when you give a heads up to the department heads when they come to make their presentations let

them know that one of our expectations is going to be that we want to see performance measures that

demonstrate impact of what they're doing activities important efficiencies important management

decisions are important but impact is also important and that's one of the things we're going to

I think continue to harp on and I and as I said when we presented to budget audit it's not our way

or the highway but it is is going to be just what we're looking for and I think what you're

looking for are the same things and we really need to figure out how to how to have the dialogue

in a way that that we hear you and you hear us and and and I just I think on the impact piece that

that's one of the things that we just have have really thought was important and is missing except

in random places and in some random places there's some really good impact stuff I mean the police

department had some amazing impact stuff but it was it was not part of the sort of overall performance

measure stuff that we got and then the other thing that I think is important will be important

for department heads to know is that at least historically we have put an equity lens on what

we think our priorities for measure you in that I think member Salah raised it is that that

investing in raising up communities that have suffered and over time and have been neglected

that that's something that's been important to this commission historically and I think at

least for the investment of measure you funds we would like that equity lens to be an

element that they take into account as they're putting together their their proposed performance

measures but I'm I'm actually excited that this is starting I'm excited we're starting the dialogue

and really please that you know Ash help help us continue the dialogue and you know if need be

where I'm sure we would be willing to establish an ad hoc committee of two or three people who

could you know work on a more daily basis rather than in this this sort of awkward way of having

having dialogue so thank again thank you and I see I have another commissioner who wants to comment

and I will ask commissioner just one addition to kind of what member Amacia is vice-sheer Salah and

her chair has said taking the the statement of verbalizing and showing impact a little bit further

yeah tell us the impact because that's important right but how each area department is going to

showcase that impact to the community because that's who we owe the answer to right when I'm in my

community district one you know everyone is familiar with measure you but they still don't really

get what measure you is and what measure you does like they see it and they hear it but they

can't translate what that tax equates to for them in their city in their community and their lives

so I think that that that's where the the the power of the impact comes in one arming us so we

can tell the story but really I'm owing it to the to the community and having each each entity

really look at that and platform it right whether we're putting it on the measure you website

but get the impact out there because the impact is what tells the story it's what resonates and it's

what makes people feel included in empowered because if I know that something is impacting my community

my city my street my HOA you know then I feel like I'm a part of that and that's the power of the

impact so you know you're doing the work but you have to translate it and make it digestible to

the people that needed the most which is the community so that's how I would look at really

on platforming and showcasing impact for our communities thank you any other comments for the good

of the order any closing comments from thank you thank you thank you for taking the time and

we look forward to continuing the dialogue appreciate it so our next and last discussion item is

an update on measure you focus groups implementation plan item discussion item five and vice chair

taking the lead yes so thank you Ash I for being able to move the contract as quickly and as

efficiently as you did because you now have a signed contract with Stanford settlement and I wasn't

sure how quickly it was going to happen but it happened relatively quickly and so thank you

I've been in conversations with Julie Rowan the director of Stanford settlement and she is we

were trying to see if we could get a quick little gathering of those that indicate you wanted to

meet and meet with her and just start on some of those items of location and you you saw what the

contract is the planning and coordination mainly the planning and coordination and being able to

come up with the type of questions that we want ask because to help inform us and so I'm still

going to work on that and I just want to verify I know that Commissioner McGee and Commissioner

Georgia if you didn't cage did you want to be part of that or do you still want to do that okay so

it'll probably for her because she's getting ready to do operation cratch it and that's they

they hand out right now for Thanksgiving is the food drive that they do around Thanksgiving and then

right after that it's the Christmas they hand out like 800 bags of food turkeys and toys for the

community 95 95838 and 95833 and 34 so but she can to resume have an initial couple initial

meetings and that will be the planning piece of it and then what we we thought that in

middle of January is try to hold the two relatively close to each other the two in person

focus groups that would be in North Sacramento and then soon after that do the virtual so in the

meantime we can be that we can meet with the smaller group and define the location for sure

which we already kind of had a discussion of where it would be in Haginwood and I'm not sure

in South Sacramento so I would rely on others to say what would be the best in person

and then figure out the outreach and the strategy to recruit those individuals because we want

to make sure that we have a cross section of perspectives because we're not having a lot there's

you know 10 to 12 in the focus groups and and then she the they will be providing all the

elements that's needed in the in person except for if we need interpreters I think there's still

some resources there's still a little bit of money that we might be able to use interpreters but

I also know that the ambassadors from community engagement the community ambassadors there are

flew in bilingual individuals that might be available to do interpreting so we don't have to

pay for that but they're not going to be in the contract won't be providing but everything else

the food the gift cards childcare because she has she has a program that provides childcare

services in within her program and so she has vetted individuals that would be able to do that

so I'm really hopeful and I think we're moving in that direction so I will try to send

an email and which includes Julie that we can coordinate an initial an initial zoom meeting

to talk about the beginning of this and get some of these details ironed out before we actually

start the focus groups in January take the opportunity in these two months and it's a very quick

timeline we want to be able to get done by February then she has to do the analysis get the

not the analysis and the final report to us in time to inform us before we are making recommendations

it's a very tight turnaround time make recommendations with when we're to the city council our budget

recommendations so that's you have any questions and is there anybody I think I was

anybody else that wanted to be part of this no okay thank you did you

you did I think you did I said I I would join you okay so I'll so there'll be the four of us

okay thank you I see the commissioner wolf has a comment question actually remuted myself there

um yeah thank you for for your efforts is pushing this forward I mean this something you've been

you know since I kind of I came onto the commission you've kind of always been behind this really

making sure these focus groups happen because they were like I guess one of the original promises

you guys had behind it so yeah thank you for that I think for anybody at home who might be

like listening might be worth speaking the deliverables into the record so it's focus group

planning documents including outreach strategy and session agendas participant recruitment

outreach materials facilitation of one virtual and two in-person focus groups background

background materials provided to all participants in a final report detailing the community input

key takeaways and a presentation of the commission and something that deadline will be around

February or March is well do you think we have them in here by then with all of this work completed

you would go go ahead I'm sorry I what the presentation to the commission

of the findings and recommendations of the from the focus groups yeah that's up to you all okay I

mean so yeah we can set the agenda for how quickly these oh yes um in terms of the agenda it does

get tricky there's no February meeting so yes we should just land reserve a spot on the march

meeting oh yeah good turn around time though I think yes yeah because we might need more time but

but we need to do start having our budget deliberations in April at the latest right is that

usually when we we do this year you started them in January what we try to do was

help facilitate the commission identifying some priorities before the budget was even proposed

and so you all were able to draft a letter get that to budget and audit saying hey this is these

are our priorities before the city manager even proposed the budget then once the city manager

proposed the budget you then drafted some follow up recommendations that were a little more specific

that built on your priorities from earlier in the year and so I think we'll try to replicate that

process this year so you will have some fairly packed agendas so in January we'll probably include

that well in January we're going to have the department right and then and then now with ad

hot committees maybe that helps distribute some of the workload but we you know almost like I mean

this item on update on focus groups has appeared on pretty much every agenda since June or something

so it we can leave it on the agenda and then really defer to the committee how in depth you all

want to get at that point in time during that specific meeting but give you that flexibility to

take actions and vote on things as you see fit I do have a question is so when we come up with

the questions to the focus groups do all of you we can develop it now but before it gets presented

and then in the focus group do all of you want to see it at the January meeting or no

no okay okay okay

ask a I jumped the queue that's okay no no well not specific to this I guess but

related to our schedule do we feel like we're going to have a full complement of

commissioners in January I know it yeah very good question I think unless the clerk has any

insights or information on the status of the open seats and the the long standing open seats

and on the expiring term seats I can share that we have provided council offices with the

applications that we've received I don't have any information on any recommendations those should

appear on a future confirmation report once we receive those recommendations for appointment

okay but the personal and public employees seats are actually holding interviews tomorrow so

that's you know half of the seats are appointed by the PNPE committee the other half are directly

appointed by individual council members so ideally those PNPE seats will at least move along

tomorrow contingent on the action of the PNPE committee thank you for that ash I don't know how

that slip my mind commissioner McGee thank you for that ash so it would be reasonable for us to

expect that they understand that the I guess the the expectation would be that those seats will be

filled because I know that some of them have remained unfilled but with their meeting we're hoping

that they would fill all those seats within this time frame well is that fair assessment

if I'm asking that it's quite I would as a member of city staff I would never publicly

state any expectations of the city council there the governing body of the city and they can do as

they wish within the legal constraints that exist with that said I kind of lost my train of thought

I mean the good news is they're meeting so we'll take that that's a win yeah what we do it is our

understanding that the youth seat there were no eligible applications so that at least will be one

seat that likely won't be filled but the good news is the council member appointed seats can

happen very quickly it really just requires those individual council members to act on those

nominations and then there is the process for holdovers if those council members need additional time

and that is my question is that we have all these expiring terms is it would it be appropriate

for me as chair to send I don't even know to whom but urge that if to the extent that holdovers

are willing urge that those those those expiring seats the be that the people holding expiring seats

be able to continue to serve until they're replaced or reappointed so that we can continue the work of

the that is certainly within your purview I mean it yeah it wouldn't hurt we always encourage

members to maintain dialogue and communication with their council members who appointed them

but I wasn't sure are you talking about more of a coordinated effort well I do I would encourage

those of you who are in an expiring seat that you that you hope to be reappointed to I hope you're

working closely with your your appointing member and expressing your interest and and to the

extent that they're you're not reappointed before the end of the year that you would like to continue

to serve until the appointment comes in so that because seriously if we lose everybody on this list

um I'll help you do only one way we won't be able to have a quorum even with the new

if I can if I can do math on the fly um one two three four five six I think it's six people whose

terms expire that means we don't only have even if all of the and the youth seat isn't going to

be filled so that's seven so as of December 30th the best we can do is either have those of us

with the expiring seats reappointed or or held over I mean I'm not very eloquent but um can I ask

when is the my apologies uh jager bribburg office of the city clerk sorry to interrupt this uh

style log here but we do have to take the motion to extend the meeting um so is there a motion to

extend the meeting past two hours I'll make the motion next on the meeting I'll second motion and

second motion by george f second by goris can a clerk call the roll thank you chair uh commissioner

magee yes vice chair sola yes commissioner mossius yes

which are wolf yes mr. johnston yes commissioner goris yes commissioner rozole is absent

commissioner hojedge yes commissioner george off yes commissioner pascal yes and chair Dickinson

yes thank you the motion passes

so I see vice chair sola yes I support you

yeah was commissioner magee finished oh okay thank you um I I support you sending a letter

urgent letter stating that the situation and bring it to attention is if you're not if you're

not ready to reappoint someone you need time for that at the you need to extend those that are

currently in the seat so that we can do our work if if that doesn't happen we won't be able to

do our work so I I think it's just of critical importance that that just happened until and it

could be that they reappoint they're happy which I imagine they would be because all of you have

done an outstanding job they're happy with the work that you're doing and that would be the

ideal situation but if they're not prepared then they should do a hold-door so that we can have a

fully functioning commission so I think it's warranted to send a letter to so it would it would

go to the mayor and the city council members chair jikinson um I guess it would go to the members

of the council who have expiring appointees okay yeah I think that that need maybe the pp&e though

we would have have all about what they did of all of you communicated with your council person

yes and they were in agreement or they haven't made any comments um at least for me I've spoken with

the mayor about getting in contact early with you know the incoming mayor to figure out what our

next steps are so I'm still not sure what is going to happen but I need to do my part in reaching out to

incoming mayor to figure out if they want to reappoint me or if like you said maybe I sit

in temporarily while they fill the seat so I just think that whoever the mayor is going to be

they're going to they're going to have so much on their plate that they're not going to be ready

to reappoint anybody so I think for um the new incoming you have two council members that are new

and the mayor they should just be until such time that they're in the situation to identify who's

going to either you're going to stay or be replaced it should just be a continuation otherwise

can't do our work so I just think that should just be an automatic like that

so now we'd recommended that to ppne but that was not one of the things they adopted

so so tomorrow at pmp can that items not on the agenda can that be brought up

we're looking at tomorrow's pmp e meeting there's four seats and there's quite a bit of candidates

um so I imagine those will be Phil it's like almost all of them applied for seat n four of them

applied for seat o two of them for seat k i'm the only cj but that's four so given that and like

the people who are not leaving I feel like we'll have quorum um I'm not I don't think we'll you

I don't think it should be an issue for January I think we'll have enough

and I will speak for myself that I don't for seeing issue either I the person on my council member

staff may or may not have been on honeymoon and I wanted him to enjoy that time but that is

something that will be I think fine for my seat yeah I think the only issue is that

um those of us in expiring seats the seats we were Cinderella and we're done at midnight on

whatever the date is and if they haven't appointed somebody before the January meeting

or asked us to continue to serve then we can't so maybe it's a question of time that I need

clarify clarification on look I know the city I was against city council meetings they would have

to happen in the December meeting because again I'm relatively new to this process when when

when are the the opportunities to get this done before it's too late just so I'm on the same page

for timing could it looks like the meeting the third and the tenth of December

I'm already in the right and so Jacob Redberg office of the city clerk uh city clerk's office

staff is working closely with both returning returning council members and we'll be working closely

with new council member and new mayor to get the recommendations from them as soon as possible

as to not so try and not to create any any quorum issues so you know we're again we're in contact

with with currents and returning council members and we hope to have those any recommendations

confirmed as soon as possible on that I think your January meeting is the third Monday of the month

and if we have commissioners come confirmed at the January seventh meeting then you know they'd

be able to participate at that at that first January meeting again our office is working very closely

and we hope to to get recommendations from these the council members and the incoming mayor

thank you that's helpful information

anybody else oh uh commissioner wolf well I feel an adjurement coming close but I mean just

want to say things again for everybody and hope many of you come back if you want to be you know

and it all just works itself out thank you for that we do have a couple other items I'm not sure

there's much but yeah so we're still on number five correct yes we're still under five and I believe

you told me that we had a member of the public who wished to speak on that item so let's do that

sorry I have one speaker slip on this item uh mr. Lambert Davis

there's no vote on item number five I will now do public comment for item number five

okay measure you is dear to me because I I really did attend a lot of meetings I may have

attended more meetings than people up here and while I was there I learned from the mayor it was

from mayor steinberg who's a huge supporter with del pasal heights in his own way whatever he can do

and this focus group to me has been reduced to a great organization Stanford for

men this endorsement of Stanford settlement for me even as a youngster I remember my parents

in a lot of my elders they really for some reason love Stanford settlement and they were big fans

of Roger Dickerson at that time I wasn't living here then I was working but when I returned home I

saw this measure you and I said let me go to these meetings and when they combined measure you

and the general fund that that to me they lost all integrity because it was not promoted that way

not when I went there and it wasn't talking about homeless it did not have homeless in there

or the police I don't believe so they've co-opted it and it's not going to where it should be so

for the chair to say impact and Marseille is to say impact and

solid to say impact that's true because it's more important to find out the impact on someone

than anything else because you can't measure it without an impact thank you for your comments chair

I have no other speaker slips on the side okay thank you and we do have a couple of items we need

to run through is there a report on the investment committee

it didn't meet apparently city managers office report to the measure you community advisory committee

there is no report any commissioner comments ideas and suggestions not on the agenda

commissioner Salah yes and it just was on the agenda but when I I walked in late it didn't hit me

that you're not going to be here any longer unless you're extended unless I'm held over

unless I'm held over yes unless you're held over hopefully you are

and I just want to say when I first started on the commission I already knew

chair Dickinson prior to being on the commission because we both worked at UC Davis

and she was community in community relations right government

community and community and really for UC Davis and I was just to underline

but when when we connected she was so she helped me so much in trying to navigate and understand

a lot specifically about the budget because I it was overwhelming I came in right about the time

that we were having to decide about the budget and it was overwhelming trying to figure out

how city budget worked what it meant and then what was our role and you were just great in it

with within a year I caught on and but the other thing too is what I really appreciate about you

was your leadership always great leadership and articulating the issues that maybe I'm not

I'm not so politically correct at times and say things in the right way but you always were so

clear and so precise in in your points of view in your arguments in writing and in person

and the last since being chair you when you've come before the city council articulating what we

all have agreed upon and you do it in such a way that's so spot on and and I can see that it has

the impact and the subcommittees that the council has on the city council and I you just

been an amazing leader and chair and friend and mentor for me so thank you so much and I know

that you're you're you're gonna you're you're gonna be a held held over because we're not ready yet

for you to go away but thank you I appreciate you so very and I've learned so much from you

well thank you those are incredibly kind words I appreciate them a lot

commission from assist well I was gonna say thank you again to the other committee members and to

staff and to chair Dickinson thank you so much for all that you've done all that you did it's

been great working with you and same to you to the vice chair Salah really love sitting next to you

and working with you thank you to mr. Davis for joining us at so many meetings and for your comments

and science to have members of public paying attention and also Gianni I'll be home soon you better

be in bed good night I love you and thank you all thank you and and just as I said at the beginning

meeting thank you to all of you if I see you in January or or that would be great if not I know

the commission is in great hands and there you are all are all great community leaders and this

commission will move forward I think in really positive and great ways and I appreciate all of your

questions wisdom insights and and move just move in the ball forward it's slow it's a slow slow

progress but thank you for for keeping it moving and with that I believe we have do we have

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so I definitely will not be here more than two minutes I wanted to say that our company is called

to the bay and back cheesecakes you can find it on Instagram and our website is to the bay and

back cheesecake without an s dot com why do I bring that up obviously I'm the founder and CEO of

secondly the youth in my life whether it's my children or grandchildren my granddaughter did

something that I didn't understand in June but I understand now because I had to really hustle

this summer to plant seeds that are getting ready to grow December 2nd excuse me district 2 staff

asked us at last minute notice to do the it was called the North Sacramento Centennial Festival I

had never heard of that and I'm a native and they invited us there in our cheesecakes according to

them is the talk of the town I still don't understand that because we have a manufacturer in Southern

California I understand that and I understand purchase orders and things that pay bills things that

are popular that doesn't seem to transform to business paying bills but because the youth guided

me there I now understand it so their role now is to do what they do and me to stay out of their

lane and do what I do and it's really going to be something amazing that's going to happen

we're getting ready to carve a niche in Southern California we didn't hardly get any money from

the city and we're going all the way and we're going to bring that money back to Del Paso Heights

thank you for your comments chair I have no further speakers but that I will declare us adjourned

thank you