And appeals board will now come to order.

The board consists of five members who are not employees of the city.

The board is an impartial decision maker.

The board is appointed by the mayor with approval of the city council.

I'm Brandon Fisher, the chair.

We also have board members Mr.

Boyd, Mr.

Antablyon, Mr.

Amad, and Miss Taylor.

We'd also have Francis Alvarez, Secretary to the Board, Peter Limos, Cold and Housing Enforcement Chief, Bo Cosley, Principal Building Inspector, and Arvinda Carr, Council to the Board.

I'm going to ask the secretary to now call the roll.

Fisher.

Present.

Boyd.

Here.

Entably in.

Ahmad.

Taylor.

Here.

Let us now stand for the land acknowledgement and pledge of allegiance.

To the original people of this land, the Nissanon people, the Southern Maydu Valley, and Plains My Walk, Patwin Winton peoples, and the people of the Wilton Rancheria, Sacramento's only federally recognized tribe.

May we acknowledge and honor the native people who came before us and still walk beside us today on these ancestral lands by choosing to gather together today in the act of practice of acknowledgement and appreciation for Sacramento's indigenous people's history contribution and lives.

Thank you.

Let's now turn our attention to the flag for the Pledge of Allegiance.

Pledge allegiance.

Thank you, maybe seated.

I would like to explain the reason for this hearing this evening.

For item two and five, we are here to consider the expenses incurred by the city in the notice in order and the repair, demolition, or securing of any building or structure done in the housing and dangerous buildings cases before us, together with any protests or objections.

The question here is: are the fees cost or other amounts claimed by the city reasonable and justified?

This board may revise, correct, or modify the proposed charges as we deem just.

Once this board is satisfied with the correctness of the charges, we shall then make a decision confirming or rejecting the charges.

Any written protest and related information received have been forwarded to us for consideration in our decision.

You will hear our decision today and receive formal notification of our decision in the mail.

Our decision may will be forwarded to the city council for determination whether this hearing was conducted in accordance with the city code.

All right, we'll now have the approval of the minutes for September the 10th, 2025.

There's there a motion.

So moved.

I second.

Fisher?

Yes.

Boyd.

Aye.

Entabling our moderate absent Taylor.

Aye.

Oh, just item two.

Yeah.

Item number, we'll now call our first case.

Item number two, uh one seven three one frienza avenue.

I'm going to ask Amad Shams or Ahmad Shemp.

Please come forward.

The secretary will swear in the appellants and the city staff.

And then we will begin with the city staff.

Able to stand or sit, whatever you prefer.

Okay.

Is the green light on your uh okay?

Okay.

All parties to please raise your right hands.

Do you solemnly swear under penalty of perjury that the testimony and evidence you give at this hearing shall be the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth?

Yes.

Thank you.

Thank you, Mrs.

Artane.

Please begin.

Agenda item two, case number 23-016-904.

Property owner humanity center.

Property address 1731 Fienza Avenue.

Parcel number 266032 100 400 000 hearing date is today, 10 8 2025.

City staff is me, Matthew Sartane.

Uh this case opened on 5-11 of 2023.

The current case status is open.

On 5-9, 2023, Building Inspector Boland arrived at the property and found evidence of vandalism, precious metal scavenging, and general lack of maintenance of the property grounds.

The property was secured by a fence, and each building was boarded and or locked.

On 5 11, 2023, Building Inspector Bolin requested a preliminary letter.

Between 7-25, 2023 and 12.2 2024, Building Inspector Bolin had done 12 more inspections requesting vacant building monitoring fees for each.

On 12.4, 2024, Building Inspector Bowland sent an email to the director of the humanity center informing of the intent to move to notice and order at the next reinspection on 1 13, 2025.

The case was reassigned 4-7, 2025.

The case was reassigned to me, building inspector Sartane.

I arrived at the property which appeared secured.

The vegetation around the property was overgrown.

As of 10 1, 2025, the property is in worse condition as there was a fire on the property, severely damaging one of the buildings.

8 26, 2025 was the last attempt at obtaining a permit.

APN 266 032 100 40 000.

Thank you.

Thank you, Mr.

Shams.

Please begin.

Yes, thank you for everybody.

Your time.

If you see my file, it has been open from 2023.

Which I first met Mr.

Blonde on the site, and I bring my electrical contractor.

He said we need to connect a temporary power in order the facility to get for you so we can connect the permanent power.

Keeping going back and forward, I start submitting permit to that design for temporary power.

Everything I was about to get the power, and this planning department tell me, sorry, you cannot have a temporary power.

You need to apply for permanent power.

Everything has been stopped.

Then I move with SMAT design everything.

Can you guys hear me?

Design everything for the permanent power.

It was end of 2024.

We submit everything.

We submit an application for the permit to do from end of 2024 till May of this year.

I was sending several emails to Mr.

Travis Blunt with several phone calls with no response.

I do have copy of all the emails I send.

I do have mentioned several emails I do send emails, phone calls, no response.

Around end of August, Mr.

Setting was giving that getting that uh case transferred to him.

Our associate meet with Mr.

Satin at the location and ask what we need to do in order to get that property done and get the power connect.

We are following up with them and then suddenly on July of this year, the property was on fire, which delayed again our process.

Right now we are following up with Mr.

Satin and everybody else.

Right now we need to get an ad space report in order to demolish that building and do our like moving forward process with connecting of the power to the building so we can use it for the community use.

If you see from last year till almost June of this year, we don't had any single response from City of Sacramento.

And all I want is from City to please process my paperwork as soon as you can do.

Everything was held from end of last year till now for the case of housing building to be exit in order to approve our permit.

And I keep sending an email saying hey, what we can do to fix this is have the case of housing can drop so we can move with our permit and connect the power and would be able to use the facility for the community.

Unfortunately, there was zero response from city until the building get in fire, and right now it delay again our process.

We need to submit another plan to demolish the building, everything has changed.

Pretty much everything we work for, eight to ten months after that new things coming up, everything is wiped off, and I have to start it back again.

And after that, I started with smart, they did the design, everything.

We submitted on the city portal, and from end of till last year till now, we are waiting for the housing case to drop in order so they can approve our permit, we can move forward with the process.

So when I'm asking the city, what I need to do in order to keep the building secure, I don't get a response.

Thank you, Mr.

Sam.

All right.

Any questions or comments from the board?

Yes, good evening.

Good evening, sir.

The um I believe your mic went off because it it was popping and you're hitting the desk, so they were getting fee.

Oh, I'm sorry, it's the first time I'm hearing a on the Earring stand.

No problem, no problem.

Uh several questions in regards to your reasoning for not applying for a permit to start the.

I did apply for a permit, sir.

I did apply before the end of last year, and if you see on the city portal, it shows hey, your case you have our building has a case of housing.

They need to exit that case in order to get permit approval.

And I keep contacting Mr.

Travis Blunt, several emails, several phone calls, zero response from him.

Can I finish asking my question?

You ready for me to ask my question?

Sure, sure, sir.

Well, let me pause you for a second.

Let me come over here.

So the is the property or was the property ever listed as housing, or has it always been commercial?

Um what it means.

Is this working?

Okay, what he means is when we flag a property as housing dangerous buildings department, um, when you go to submit for a permit, it basically tells them there's a housing case on the property and you need to get something figured out with your case manager before applying.

So I think that's what he's referring to.

That's what I thought.

I just wanted to make sure.

Okay, did you understand the explanation that was just given?

That there isn't your property isn't listed as a house, it's just housing and dangerous buildings.

It's a combination of two different things.

It's a dangerous building, but it falls under the category is housing and dangerous building.

So that's why I'm a little lost with your explanation of you were trying to get the moniker of housing dropped.

And you said you I mean the housing and dangerous building case, that's what delaying the permit process.

Okay, so with that, just my mic is going out to the um so with that is either paying the associated with the dangerous housing and uh building and/or coming before us from the first step.

So that's why I'm a little lost here when you said you've waited a year or ten months from your first contact with the city, trying to get that taken care of, and in the interim, multiple things have happened.

There's absolutely no upkeep.

There was there's nothing that has been done uh via the pictures that were taken.

Yes, they changed officers or um from the original, but that has nothing to do with the property owner keeping the building up to code.

Yes, your honor, but if a property doesn't have power, so we can have it in use as uh the housing can see every time people was breaking there, and we go there next day, board it up, fix it, and next day again it happening.

And as you can check with them, always if anything happened next day, our team is there to board up and secure the property.

Right.

And when you applied for a construction permit, the result was what?

The result was showing incomplete when I contacted the permit department, they told me you need to get hold of housing and dangerous building, they need to drop their case in order to approve your permit.

And since that time I was trying to get hold of, I'm just gonna walk you through it.

Okay, hold hold that part right there.

So let me come back over here.

Would you pick up from he was told to call dangerous housing?

So his next step would have been to call.

Correct.

Uh the case manager, which at that at a certain point in time it was me.

Um, I did I was in contact with a mod from ownership as of 424 this year, um sending emails back and forth and and walking through the process.

Um I think what the problem is is when they were submitting they first of all, we we need to have a valuation in our citizen serve page, which tells the front counter that they've spoken with us and that we're on the same page.

Like we're we're gonna work on the same issue basically.

Um I think part of the other problem is that it it's a really big electrical system out there, and it was completely ripped out.

Like a truck had tied a chain around it and ripped it out.

So it was gonna take uh a bit of engineering for electrical, it's not just as simple as just getting an electrical permit.

So that would have, as you stated from the owner's end, calling an electrical engineer to re somewhat redesign.

Yeah, the design has been done by a smart and everything turned in by my electrical contractor to the city.

Okay, great.

And then from there, what has happened?

I'm asking you.

Yes.

Once you've you've turned in the uh I turned it in before end of last year, and they say incomplete, you need to contact the housing and dangerous building.

Okay, still may or hold on a second, you're going backwards a little bit.

Gotcha.

But you said you contacted housing and dangerous building, correct?

Yes, I was contacting Mr.

Travis Blunt.

Travis Blunt was never replied to my emails or phone calls until April of this year, Mr.

Setting sent an email and said, Hey, I want to meet you guys at the property.

There is a complaint from neighborhoods.

Okay, let me stop you.

So in that interim of the non-responsive officer, how many times did you go down to the city of um desk?

I sent him several emails.

Let me ask you the question again.

During that 10 months or so of no response, how many times did you go down to the city's desk and ask for assistance?

I came one time to the desk, they said you need to get hold of your case manager.

I said I'm sending email, they give me a phone number.

I contacted them, and the minute I meet with Mr.

Sateen, I forward all the emails I was forwarding to Mr.

Travis Blum.

Okay, so that's current, but in that 10 months, let me try it again.

So in that 10, you let 10 months go by before you reached you went to the counter and then got a phone number to which you were now in contact with this officer.

So 10 months you were waiting and not acting on your own behalf or the owner's behalf to go down to the desk to find out what's going on.

Let's say after two weeks of not hearing, or even after 30 days, I'm just trying to make sure I'm understanding that.

Yeah, no, I was sending emails on phone because one time I can't.

Let me stop you again.

So you did or you did not go down to the desk in that interim of only one time I go to the desk.

Just making sure.

So the same way if you were owed a dollar, a hundred dollars and you hadn't heard in two weeks, but you were told it was going to happen within two weeks, 30 days.

Would you go check to find out where your hundred bucks were?

Just using the analogy.

So just moving this along.

As a matter of fact, let me pause my question and and I'll ask the other board members if they have questions.

Go ahead, go ahead, go ahead.

The only question that we can consider tonight and I just want to read again.

Um the question here is are the fees cost or other amounts claimed by the city reasonable and justified.

This that's the purpose of our hearing this evening.

And so I'm looking at the the invoice that was sent for this, and this was dated 6 11, 2025.

This case was opened in 2023.

And they sent the notice of order two years later.

So is it is it your stance that the fees cost or other amounts that are claimed by the city, they are not reasonable and justified.

So the thing is, sir, if we have housing and dangerous case on a building, city want us to take care of the building to fix it and secure it to be able to not dangerous.

And as an owner, we are seeking the city, hey, what I can do in order to secure it and make sure it is the building is in good condition.

And as you see on that notes, they say first we apply for temporary permit, several years we will keep going back and forward, and then they say no, you cannot take temporary power.

Can I apply for a full uh regular power permanent, which I hired a smat, they did design everything and I submitted.

And the thing is, if city is charging me for something, if I have a question, hey, what's the problem?

What I can do to fix the property, I'm expecting City to somebody telling me, hey, you need to take a step A B C in order to get it done, and nobody did that to me.

Yeah, I understand, but I just want to also note Mrs.

Artinker, because we're not city employees.

The notice and order could have been from day one.

This could have been 6 20 2023, correct?

It could have been, yeah, the very first inspection could have been a notice and order, yes.

Right.

So they it's kind of been a two-year grace period.

What we're considering tonight could have been given to you two years ago.

Sir, in this two year, I take every step.

City, every associate tell me what I need to do in order to get this building connect to the power and make it for use.

I was doing everything.

You go for three, four, five months, end of the time they say, Oh, it's not right, you need to do this.

Whatever I do, it's wiped out, and I have to start it from beginning.

And if you see in June of this year, the building was in fire, and it changed everything.

Right now, I have to apply for the demolition permit.

I have to get the asbestos report, and I have to change my plan to what it is.

So in this two years, more than a thousand emails we send with different associate of the city and asking them.

I don't ask for money or anything.

All I ask is for that paperwork to be processed as soon as possible for us in order to connect this building.

Thank you.

I I'll defer back to Mr.

Boyd.

We all hear it understand what you're saying.

I think the difficulty here is your understanding of the process of where it's just not clicking.

I'm not not downgrading you, it's just because you're repeating back after the answer was given to you.

I'm just trying to figure out a way to walk this out maybe a little simpler, um, so everybody's on the same page and understands.

And in fact, the officers here are discussing it into which uh I'll let them reword it.

So then you'll fully can understand what is being done.

But just note the only thing that we are here to uh pass judgment one way, agree with or not agree with the dollar amount that this uh staff has put forward and which is what you are you are appealing to one thousand four hundred seven seven dollars and fifty cents.

That is the only thing that for that right now that our um board can rule on.

But with that said, two things one, I think not to supersede the chair, but I think we're gonna call for a motion, and once we do, because it that's the only thing that we can rule on, once uh we rule, and then have a long conversation with the gentleman to your right to have him really do a dot to dot of what you need to have done, which will get you going.

So again, the only thing right now that we can rule on is the dollar amount for the dangerous uh housing and dangerous building, and to the chair's point at this sh could have, would have, should've maybe started from day one and then monitoring fees every month from the uh 30 days out, you know, whatever maybe a grace period, 60 days out, but each month another three hundred and fifty dollars, well, three hundred and eighty dollars per month each month, and then additional fees.

This is a lot of money.

It's nowhere near what it could have been.

So let us rule on why the appeal, what you've appealed, and then the officer will walk you through dot to dot to get you going on what you need going forward on your property.

And with that, unless there's anybody, uh I'll make a motion as soon as I can get my screen going here, uh making the motion and um affirming staff's recommendation that the board adopt a decision confirming the total charge of one thousand four hundred seven dollars and fifty cents for the notice and order on the property known as one seven three one frienza Avenue 266032 100 400.

You need a second, second.

Fisher, yes, boyd I.

So Mr.

Shams, the board did find in favor of the city that the fees are reasonable and justified.

Uh we uh we don't give advice, but we will just say the work with Mr.

Sartane uh to your right on how to bring about resolution to this.

Um, because again, that's what State of May of Mr.

Boyd.

There can be a monitoring fee assessed every 30 days.

Um so what Mr.

Sartin, I and he will know better than we do on how to bring resolution to this.

Yeah, I would love to meet with Mr.

Certine if he can tell me what I need to do is in order to secure the building and would be able to move forward with my permit.

And this is since last year I'm trying to get with Mr.

Travis Plan, he didn't answer and didn't case refer to him.

I would love to meet with him, he tell me, hey, what step I need to take in order to get done this process.

And my question is if this happens, same thing with Mr.

Travis Blonde.

If I didn't get any response or if I didn't get any clear pathway, what I need to do, what's my next move to do?

I see you guys mentioned, do I have to come to the front disk talk to somebody, or what I need to do?

Mr.

Sartane will know better and maybe Mr.

Limos can also give it uh some advice and and guidance, but Mr.

Sartane is your point person that you want to speak to, and I'm sure he's gonna help you with this process.

If I can just chime in as well, it it both verbally and the information will be in print that their office um will send to you.

Sorry, uh, along with the decision that was made this evening.

So everything again will be in writing, but right today, or when you guys uh decide when you can speak, it'll be walked out verbally and with on paper.

Okay, thank you very much.

Thank you.

Sure, sure.

Now call for item number six when I ask the secretary to read this one.

City staff recommends that the board adopt a decision confirming the total charge noted by each agenda line for the expenses occurred by the city and the enforcement of the provisions of the housing code and our dangerous buildings code with respect to the property known by the physical address and or parcel number as noted within each agenda line for item number six, lines one through ninety-nine.

So move.

Second, Fisher, yes, Boyd.

Tabling or motor absent, Taylor.

Aye.

All right, we are now at commission comments, ideas, and questions.

Any from the board?

Okay.

All right.

Any public comments?

What do I do?

What do we need to follow up?

This is the housing code and advisory appeals board.

So we hear appeals from the housing in dangerous buildings uh around the city.

If there's any fees or costs or uh fines assessed to properties, uh residents and owners can appeal to this board.

Um that's what we heard tonight, and there's also another subset.

Uh, but we didn't have any hearings on that tonight.

Yes, nothing to do with the project of the tone.

No, that's not here, no, sir.

All right, no problem.

City hall that you were looking for, the changes.

Okay, this is the old city hall, the old original, right?

If you look out the window, there you go.

All right.

No problem, thank you.

Right.

No public.

All right.

Adjourned.