Good morning everyone. I would like to call the PMP meeting to order. Will the clerk please call the roll call to establish a court?

Thank you chair. Remember Telen Montes is absence. Remember Valenzuela here vice chair Maples here and chair Kaplan here we have a quorum and

Mayor Pro Tem Telen Montes sends her apologies with a conflict, but I'd now like to have our vice mayor do the pledge and

Land acknowledgment certainly please stand if you're able

Please rise for the opening knowledgements in honor of Sacramento's indigenous people and tribal lands to the original people of this land the Nisanan people the southern my do

Valle and planes me walk put to win two peoples and the people of the Wilton Ranch area Sacramento's only federally recognized tribe

May we acknowledge and honor the native people who came before us and still walk beside us today on these ancestral lands

by choosing to gather today in the active practice of acknowledgement and appreciation for Sacramento's indigenous people's history

contributions and lives never-maint standing

Soley and pledge I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands one nation under God

Indivisible with liberty and justice for all

As always if you wish to speak on an item please fill out the speaker form and

Hand it up front we are now moving on to our business of the day

First item is consent calendar do you have any members of the public who wish to speak on consent?

Thank you chair. I have no speaker slips for the consent calendar. Hey questions motion

Move by vice chair second by councilmember valance whale all in favor. I

Am I

Motion passes we will now move on to item two which is review of the applicants for the capital area development authority

Governing board and I know Jacob. We have one applicant for one seat

Yes, thank you chair the seat needing recommendation today is seat a the requirements for seat a are as follows a member appointed in the manner

Provided by the charter of the city of Sacramento for appointment of members of city boards commissions and agencies

We have one applicant for review today

Emily by May

They notified our office prior to this meeting that they would be absence as they had a previously scheduled conference that they were speaking at

So members I

Am really being michael's as we all know midtown association that sends her regards for absence of she is in Seattle's at a speaking engagement

Right now, but had expressed that she wished to continue in serving in this so I am happily to move so that she continues

her service and then

Councilmember valance wheyla. Yeah, really please with the work that it does in my district and Emily

Specifically so happy to second that motion awesome. Thank you so much vice-chair maple

Just want to make a quick comment. I know Emily's not here

But just really want to thank her for her service so far on on the cater board. It does really important work in district four councilmember valance wheyla and

Just really want to appreciate that we have longevity and people who want to continue on and serve so thank you

Awesome, there is a motion and a second all in favor

Hi, hi

Emily is back on board and so now we're moving to item three

Which is review the applicants for the housing code advisory and appeals board

Thank you chair the seat needing recommendation for today is seat E

The requirements for seat E are as follows member who's not an employee of the city of Sacramento

We have one applicant for review today

Mr. Mion Ali Ahmad Zia

I'm sorry Jacob in mine. I have two names

Removed okay, yes, there was a supplemental they the other applicants

Notified our office that they wish to withdraw their application from consideration on a supplemental was posted yesterday morning

I missed it. Thank you

So yes, our applicants is Mion

Ali Ahmad Zia who I do not see in the audience today

Well, you know housing code and read advisory and appeals board. I did read

The applications from both of them and you know, I might be biased as he's a D1

Resident but also being a civil engineer and working in this area as somebody who is

Qualified it and I do have to say I don't know what's going on in the California Department of Transportation

But they are urging a lot of their employees to submit applications and join our boards

So thank you to Department of Transportation for whatever's in charge of that

I am just noticing that a lot of technical expertise is coming from them so

With the

Members concurrence I will move that Mion Ali Ahmad

Zia is appointed to what is that seat E

I'll second that

All right first and second all in favor. Hi. Hi

Welcome. Thank you for those who are submitting their applications to serve our committee or community

Item four review of applicants for the Sacramento Housing and Redevelopment Commission

Thank you chair. The seat needing recommendation today is seat E

The requirements for CE are as follows a member who is from the resident population of the housing authority

Of the city is over 62 years of age if the authority has tenants of such age and who is not an elective officer or an employee of the city or county

We have one applicants for review today

Darleen Nordstrom

Welcome Darleen

Good morning everyone

Not sure about the procedure. Do I state my name and address or just your name and you have two minutes and tell us why you would like this upon

Okay, my name is Darleen Nordstrom. I live in district two and

I'm here

Because why I would like to serve on the board is actually I think it's time for me to step up and become

informed and

Involved as a

SHRA resident

I've had experience. I'm retired now. I've had over 30 years experience and administration

But I backed off and have not been involved in any

Activism in any way so I

Kind of got the bug and I would like to become an advocate for residents and really learn

What the process is and how these decisions are made and how the policy workers

policy makers

Work and and and so I think I'm really not informed and I'd like to be educated and informed and an advocate

To help people to better understand because I don't understand and I'd like to be able to be educated and help them understand

The qualifications that I bring to it is I've worked over 30 years of administrative assistance

The most of it in Arizona where I worked for the school district in a crisis response

safety

Safety and security area which involved

Really crisis response we were almost like a 911 for the entire district one of Tucson Arizona

But I've also had experiences a life skills trainer for alter regional so I've worked with populations who are disabled

in a variety of ways very diverse from

Very high functioning to people who maybe need more assistance and finding resources and and help

I've also been an IHS S caregiver for over six years working

Before I was a low-income resident housing resident

I worked with that population a lot to help them. I also a personal level. I have a son who has mental health

challenges and so I have navigated that system which housing is a high priority for that population. Thank you

Miss Norse. Yeah, so okay

Absolutely

Now I want to turn it over to vice-chair maple. Thank you so much chair

I just really want to say I was very impressed with your experience

And I love that your your obviously living in a S a jury property

I especially appreciate your experience with grant writing. I think that's an incredible skill and your

Inquisitive nature and I think that you're going to do an excellent job

So I'd be happy to make a motion to a point miss darling Nordstrom to seat

Let me try to get the right see you on the commission. All right councilmember valence wala

I just want to echo that you are the picture of exactly who we want on this commission from your experience and also your life as a resident

That's just so critical so happy to second the motion and I just want to say ditto

I think you're going to be a great representative. So thank you for

Catching the bug to get involved. We we appreciate your service. All in favor. Hi. Hi

Welcome to the commission. Yeah, thank you so much. You're welcome

Now moving on to item five is ordinances amending deleting and adding various chapters of the Sacramento City Code

relating to the city of Sacramento boards commissions and committees

Turning it over to our clerk mendy copy

Good morning committee members

I'm mendy cuppy or city clerk and the item before you today is ordinances amending deleting and adding various chapters of the Sacramento City Code

relating to the city of Sacramento boards commissions and committees

I'd first like to thank my partners on this journey. We've been working on this update for about two years

Yes two years

So Matt Riyak are amazing assistant city attorney

Katie Graschem and also windy clock johnson from my office. So thank you

I presented on this topic quite a few times to you. So it's nothing new

There won't be any surprises last month you moved forward updates on the act of transportation commission

The ethics commission and the Sacramento youth commission which counsel subsequently adopted

As you know, I'm really excited to be bringing this item forward

The first city manager I used to work for used to say so who's looking at our ordinance to see what we can take off the books

What can we clean up? What should we change to make sure that things are clear and relevant?

So I think he'd be proud of this

The were recommended updates aim to establish a uniform administrative framework for all city boards commissions and committees

By consolidating and clarifying the administrative provisions these upstate effectively eliminate

Redundancies and conflicts found in other sections of the code

So this cleanup effort addresses inconsistencies and reduces duplication across various code chapters ensuring a more streamlined and efficient administrative process

So initiating this comprehensive review an update not only enhances clarity and coherence with the code

But also underscores our commitment to improving organizational effectiveness and transparency

So chapter 2.4 of the Sacramento city code which relates to boards and commissions generally was last updated in

August of 2022

So this update results resolves conflicts with chapter 2.4.0

And eliminates duplication across other code sections and it's necessary to revise individual enacting codes

governing city boards commissions and coindies

Additionally clarifying various chapters of title two is essential to enhancing the organizational efficiency of these commissions

So bear with me. This is a comprehensive report. There's a lot of in it, but most of it is pretty

pretty generic

So some things we did we added city of Sacramento to to a title of a commission if it was not already in the title. So for instance

Let's see what

Planning and design commission. So we're now calling the city of Sacramento planning and design commission. So just being consistent

So if a board of a committee was called a committee, we've changed it to commission because essentially they're the same

There are legislative body. There's a couple boards that state a board, but most of most everything we've tried to move to commission just for consistency

We incorporated the measure you

Committee into the city of Sacramento municipal code. It was formally established by resolution

It's also being called a committee now or it's no longer a committee. It's a commission

So and I think that's a little bit self-serving every time I present to you. I have to say board commission and committee

And so I get a little tongue tied

We've added a youth seat

So as someone

16 to 22 years at the time of appointment to all appropriate commissions

There's a couple on quasi judicial boards that did not get a youth seat

But for all appropriate boards a youth was added

We've renamed the animal care services citizens advisory committee to the city of Sacramento animal well-being commission

And we updated their powers and duties

And their purpose we worked with a chair and vice chair of that committee or the committee

To draft the recommended updates, which they then took to the full committee

They who made a few tweaks, but then wholeheartedly supported the revisions

So all other purposes powers and duties of city commissions remain unchanged

So member appointments have been adjusted for aniland birth, a henchal memorial funds disability advisory commission

utility rates advisory commission from being

solely P and P e committee recommendations for appointment to councilman recommendations for appointments

And these changes are intended to enhance district representation

It'll also expedite the appointment process and hopefully reduce incidents for lack of attendance and our quorum

So seat adjustments to arts culture and creative economy commission community police review commission and the parks and community enrichment commission

We're made to account for the previously added youth seat

So we moved the term of office section. It's covered in 2.4 oh

We removed that members must live in the city and not be a current employee of the city as it covered in chapter 2.4 oh

0.1 oh

We removed the provision for chair vice chair rotation as that's also covered in chapter 2.4 oh 1.7 oh

removed commission time and place as that is covered in the regularly adopted commission

calendars consistent with the city council rules of procedure

removed conflict of interest code section as it covered in the city's conflict of interest code

removed compensation is that that's set by the compensation commission

Okay, we're almost done

deleted chapters of the city of Sacramento coded related to legislative bodies that have been inactive for quite some time

Readerates that if a successor is not appointed at the end of a commissioners term the recommended authority may ask the member to

continue to serve until the successor is appointed

clarified attendance requirements in city code chapter

2.4 oh

080

per direction from PNP

Defined the length of term is two years for youth seat on all commissions in chapter 2.4 oh

0.09 oh

non-youth designated seats remain at four years

We clarified limitation of number of consecutive terms as it's covered in 2.4 oh

clarified eligibility requirements again 2.4 oh

defines quorum as a majority of the number of seats established for a board or commission

states that commissions may establish ad hoc committees in city code

There is this there was a change

There was a supplemental published so the disability advisory commission. I had an error in my staff report

It will only be one youth seat not two that will be recommended by PNP E committee

And then there isn't update to the preservation

Commission code that you haven't received a supplement on so in

2.58 point 040 B3 you should have a hand out of the dius

But we'd like to change that to not notwithstanding sections 2.40 point

110b members of the commission need not be city residents

However, there's a preference for persons who are city residents or who own a business located in the city

And that's basically because preservation commission has some really

defined seat requirements and so sometimes we need somebody who has a business in the city but may not live in the city

But of course, that's a preference

So that concludes my presentation and I am available for any questions

If possible would like to allow public speakers and then members to ask questions afterwards

Thank you chair

Our I have three speakers signed up to speak on this item our first speaker is Keon Bliss

followed by marjorie Dickinson

Greetings personal public employees committee council

I am calling with or I'm not speaking in concern with some of the ordinance language changes

There's a little lace to the Sacramento community. Please review commission

Particularly the changes to city code 2.110 establishing the scprc appears to fundamentally change the purpose of our commission from one

For responsible for monitoring the implementation evaluation and sustainability of city policing initiatives and programs to one that is merely

Providing advice and strategies really in relation to the implementation evaluation and sustainability of city policing initiatives

Those notably not programs

Considering the council requested a joint session with the scprc almost a year ago and we are still waiting

For council staff to determine a date for this meeting. I'm requesting that any changes to the

The police review commissions purpose powers or duties be tabled until after this meeting occurs

Also wanting to note

Around some of the

Other changes to certain boards

Mass-producing changes in relation to different like the various bodies and commissions

um is not just an efficient but also

Very opaque given the select changes to certain commissions that fundamentally change the legal relationship between city staff and council appointed advisory bodies

If these changes are approved. I'm curious to know the question is what remains that would legally buy in certain city departments from

Considering staffing or even attending

Our commission meetings going forward for example the parks and community enrichment commission

no longer

Has the youth parks and community enrichment

Department as one of the intended recipients of its recommendations or advice meaning the recommendations and advice are now

Exclusive for city council but optional considerations for the ibsi director same thing too with arts culture and creative economy commission that removes city manager and

Convention and cultural services

Additionally the removal of key definitions from ordinance language pertaining to particular commissions doesn't really help to enhance transparency

But actually worsens it

And same areas and like arts and culture and creative economy commission and the time to show services citizens advisory committee

Our next speaker is marjorie Dickinson followed by brandy twos on void

Good morning chair and members. I'm marjorie Dickinson

I'm chair of the measure you community advisory committee

I want to thank your staff especially for their comprehensiveness and thoughtfulness

In their efforts to refine boards and commissions policies and for your committees leadership and moving forward with many important changes

Most notably from our point of view to allow ad hoc committees and to clarify policies and practices

With respect to commissioner vacancies and term extensions. We really appreciate that. I do have one

observation and one alternative

Suggestion the observation is in in codifying the measure you community advisory committee

Two of full commission and having it codified the of which I'm very excited about the name of the commission has changed

The simply the measure you commission seems from public transparency and clarity both the community and advisory aspects of the commission are important

And should be retained in the title of the measure you commission

Um second on alternative suggestion on a topic I've talked to you with in the past with respect to quarums

The stated concern that having a quorum be less than a simple majority could cause confusion and is not in keeping with the city's transparency

Mission could be handled differently than simply requiring as currently proposed that a quorum be a majority of the seats

seats establish for the border commission

Instead a stout blushing a quorum as a majority of the filled seats would allow commissions such the measure you community advisory committee

Which has had persistent vacancies of over 25% of our established seats to continue to provide service and support to the council and community

In order to solve the potential confusion and transparency issues the agenda for each meeting could include language

That states this commission has x number of established seats of which why are currently filled therefore the quorum for this meeting is a majority of why and at the beginning of the meeting the clerk could announce that

Thank you for your time is complete. Thank you. Our next speaker is our final speaker is Brandy Tucson boy

Good afternoon

I'm a member of the disabilities advisory commission

Previously my comments have focused on ad hoc committees quorum attendance and vacancies which impacts all of your volunteer commissions

My fault for not realizing changes to language specific to the DAC

Would not be vetted with its members as was the case for other commissions

Currently the proposal recommends changing the commissioner qualifications from quote the commission's membership shall be representative of different disability groups including but not limited to physical

sensory developmental and mental disabilities appointees shall have experience with disability issues knowledge or experience with disability laws such as ADA or title 24 and the California code of regulations

To quote members must have an expressed interest

Our demonstrated history and disability issues or knowledge or experience with disability laws such as the ADA the California fair employment and housing act

And title 24 the California code of regulations

Please know that not including those who identify as having disabilities is counter to the city's efforts for inclusion

And should be reconsidered

Please let our brothers and sisters with visible invisible disabilities know that they are actually encouraged to involve volunteer for the city

The way the language is written now it excludes those individuals

I mean you could be an individual with disabilities and not have a quote expressed interest or demonstrated history with disability issues or knowledge of the

laws that we're expected to bring to the commission. Thank you

Thank you Brandy and now turning it over to committee questions councilmember valence whale

Thank you

And thank you to those of you who come to give comments on these because you continue to catch things that I missed

So I appreciate you

First I do want to thank the city clerk and the city attorney's office for reflecting all the changes we discussed at our last meeting

It was went through this with a pretty I thought a good degree detail. I know I realized I miss some things to see that those those were all there exactly

We discussed them and I really appreciate that

I'm hoping that you could clarify excited to get a question about like which seats don't have you see or which commissions don't have you seats now

And so I'm wondering if you could talk about like as you mentioned the quasi-judicial boards didn't get seats

And so if you could just name the ones that might not have you seats

Yes, so those those commissions are preservation

Planning a design commission you rack or utility rate advisory commission our ethics commission

Then also our fund commission so the Ethel Mclood heart trust fund advisory committee the annal and a birth a henchman memorial funds commission

Okay, and that was because they have sort of like quasi-judicial

fiduciary response to the jury stuff they do okay, but every other commission that the city has now now will have a easy

Okay

That is helpful um and yeah, I know that was a council member request from last year to to add those seats

So thank you for clarifying that I do want to ask about some of the questions that got brought up in public comment because

On second review I was scrolling through some of these powers and duties and purpose sections for commissions

And it does look like we made a couple of changes that might be considered more than just clean up

Our actual policy changes like I'm looking at the parks commission and you know the commenters right

We struck out. Yep. See as the one of the groups that is to advise and I know at the last meeting

I had talked about wanting to clarify the role of commissions and we were like oh it's already in the code

And I looked at the code and was like you're right

That's good

But it does seem like we're stepping back a little bit from the relationship with staff that we're hoping these commissions have

So I'm curious if you have any comments on why those changes were were made absolutely that's a great question

So and the main purpose of removing that is these commissions are advisory to the city council

So city council members can't even advise staff

So to have a advisory commission that advises staff

When the city council can't even advise staff so you couldn't ask

Misgrashum to do something for you so for a committee to for you to delegate that responsibility to a commission

Is a little counterproductive so this is a policy decision if you want to get grant that authority to a commission

But right now the city council can direct

Charter officers or the director of the office of public safety accountability

And then those people direct staff

I know every single commission we work really collaboratively with our commissioners

And we do take things before them to ask for feedback and input

But those commissioners really can't direct staff work

I think that makes sense

I think the way this is written. I'll just stay on the parks commission example is

The way this sentence was written was to provide recommendations and advice to the council and you see

And so I don't really see that as providing direction and part of what I hope the goal of commissions is to

Do some of this pre-work before it gets to council right like none of us want to get to council and have the messy like the commission things

This the staff things this now we're like arbitrating when there could have been a discussion at the commission level that they say

Hey, I think you should change that parks plan because it's missing xyz and staff goes hey, that's a good point

We're going to make that change before it gets to council right so I feel like for me personally

And I'd be curious how the my colleagues

Feel and when it comes to some of this like purpose scope of commissions

I kind of want to revisit some of these changes. It's hard to do it in the moment because there's so many and this is a

150 page document and I don't really want to go line by line because I know we don't like to eat lunch at some point

It's a long day, but I do feel yeah

Just really want to be able to have a break at some point

But I think when it comes to those purpose scope like I see how you're trying to clean up by like instead of having it down here

We're going to move it over here so it's consistent

But I do think some of the wording changes change some considerations that are more policy than just grammatical or

Organizational so that's my thought is like if we leave those sort of I think it would be both scope and kind of those powers and duty

Like the purpose scope powers and duty sections and maybe we can revisit them in a later date

But no changes to the seats or the the leading of the code sections that are repetitive and all of that stuff

Just those kind of broad scope in

Yeah, and I think I'll ask our assistant city attorney mr. React to a pine on that tube

It really the purpose is powers and duties. We might have moved words around but all the words are still there

So for instance, we changed so some some commissions say the purpose is

We said we changed that to the commission is established for the purpose of

And so the words are all there, but they might have been moved around yeah

Now I appreciate I think I'm like I would disagree when it comes to the parks commission right because we did delete

Yep, see and some of those things and so I think that's a significant change

I also would agree when it comes to the police commission that you know

We did delete some words that were there in terms of monitoring and I think that's you know

Would be a pretty significant discussion then I'm sure folks would like to have so that's just sort of my my two cents

But yeah, I'm curious to hear what my colleagues feel or mr. React if you'd like to weigh in at all

No

Can you hear me? Yes, okay

Regarding the police commission the purpose I there was some edit to the purpose

But if you notice there's no change to scope or duties of the police review commission

I mean there was some small word editing, but their scope of their duties has not changed

um

As for your discussion as for the discussion just had about the communication between staff

That

We can go back and change that that's not a problem, but clearly the the clerks intent here was we tried to stay

Not change anything so no no no commissions

The reason for their existence and their scope and duties we tended to make this so that was not a change at all

Yeah, except for some wording stuff

So it should all the commissions should continue on in their work exactly as they were before

Okay, I appreciate that and I don't think this was necessarily intentional

I think it was just a part and parcel of rewriting something and having it moved

But like you know again, I'm looking at the arts commission

Similarly, we deleted city manager and department of convention and cultural services

I mean I so I think it's hard again

I don't want to go through the whole one and if you page and say strike this don't do this don't do this don't do that

But maybe if we just looking for my colleagues thoughts on that so quick question

At no point does do purpose correct me none of them say that the boards and commissions direct

They only say advise

Correct they're advising the city council though

So for instance you the city council is the only one that has the authority to really direct you know the their council reports

And so if you gave authority to a commission you would be delegating authority that you guys don't even have

And so in these examples we all work collaboratively with a commission

But a commission might make a recommendation to staff that staff doesn't agree with and so staff would move something forward

That's that and the staff report would say this was brought before a commission

However, we chose not to incorporate this comment

You know, so they are divided they're are giving advice and working with but they're not able to direct such that

They are basically saying this change must happen

So I agree with my colleague

You know, I appreciate all these changes. I think sometimes practicing a pause because I always say what's the rush

What's the hurry like because this may we may want to have a slightly bigger discussion

Which I'd also want to have council member telemontays, you know here as well

Because it could be we're all in alignment

But sometimes it's understanding the words and how we're using them and what is kind of the sole purpose because

You know some things and and I

Not a clerk. I totally get it. It could be we have a commission that advises something

But I'm also of mine where city staff says this is illegal or it can't happen

I also sometimes want that to be included in the report that comes to council

Because then it's also our job when it comes up to understand and then maybe then that goes oh

I need to go talk to my commissioner or

Where are we missing the boat or how are we not in alignment or it sees something where we as this council need to educate

And it gives us that opportunity and how

What the purpose is is written, you know, I think I'm okay pausing

On adopting any purpose changes. I look through scope and power and didn't see anything that wasn't

Really technical ask

Yeah

Sorry chair. That's where the deletion of the departments happen was in the powers and duties section

So that's I think for me it would be the purpose as well as the

So we get we can yeah

I'm okay two bites three bites at an apple so that we do something right

I'm you know, but I I do want to say thank you this has been a two year in the process that I have

Talk to our clerk about of like I am that how do we clean it up?

How do we streamline how do we get rid of things that don't make any sense?

How do we get rid of redundancies but also being mindful that sometimes we're making those changes

How we see them

Before I turn it over to the vice chair just one other thing madam clerk on where we've not added a you seat

Because of fiduciary

It may be you and I need to have a discussion because I get youth we're looking at 16 to 22

But you can't tell me 18 to 22 there are some youth out there. I was already

In law school, you know very young and could have served on some of these quasi judicious

So the youth voice is still important if this concern was

They're not 18 and in high school maybe looking at shifting, but I think

Just saying because it is fiduciary. I know a lot of

Of the younger generation who can is aware once trained, but I get the sensitivity of maybe the 16 to 18

So we can follow back up on that because I still want to have a a younger voice

Uh

Process on that. Thank you. I completely agree

And in our outreach and our recruitment. We're gonna have a few extra seats to recruit for this this fall

And as you know, there's no minimum major requirement for any seats

So any one of you could put a 16 year old on any of the seats in a on a commission

So I'm hoping that we do

Cast a white net and so that some of those appointments do include some some younger voices

But we'll definitely look at that and I'll work with the attorneys on how we can incorporate and then I am not of mind

I appreciate our measure you chair trying to take another bite at the apple for quorum

But I like it how it stands and I'm not interested in changing, but by share

All right, thank you chair

And a really interesting point you just made

Madam city clerk about a 16 year old or 17 being able to serve

I think that's a good reminder for us too as we do our outreach and education in our districts and as we do it as a city to

Because I think if I was

16 or 17 I might look at some of these commissions and be like oh, I'm probably not allowed to do that

You know, you you probably think that you need to be older and so I think doing proactive outreach is probably important for that

Because what a great way to learn learn a skill learn how you know serving on a board of commission works all of that

So just a good point. I want to start out with the big thing which is thank you

I know many years of time effort and energy went into this between your office city attorneys office and and others in the city

So I know sometimes when we get down to the wire and people agree on 99.99% of the things in it

We tend to focus on the the small thing

That's just because we're getting the details right but just want to acknowledge the the big overarching

Comment that you've done an amazing job

And this is really important work because we we're we're city that's been around since 1849 and there's sometimes there's some things in there

That we need to clean up every once in a while so appreciate that

I want to agree with my colleagues. I think that it makes sense to maybe take a pause on some of the powers duties purpose

Changes just to make sure we're doing we're getting it right, you know

I don't think I don't think there's a rush

To do it right now if there's still some open questions. So I agree with that

And then I just had kind of a

This is one of the things that I push on a while even in my own office about communications

I don't know if the city clerk's office has like a list serve that's all the commissioners

But you know what we do in my office if we have any like policy thing coming up as we push it out to our

You know community cabinet which is all of our includes all of our commissioners all of our faith leaders network all people that engage

With the district and ask for their feedback. I think you know for something like this hearing some of the comments from

The Disability Advisory Commission and this boy that you know, even though it's not required or something

You have to do it might make sense if we're making some changes even if their minor changes to just push it out in advance and to say

FYI this is what we're planning on please let me know if you have any concerns that way we can kind of head off

Anything from the outset that would just be a suggestion on my end

But other than that just really really great work and looking forward to getting the little details right and so that we can we can move this forward and get it get it behind us

Thank you vice-chair for that comment actually

Last week once the agenda was posted and was available for the public

Katie did reach out to every single commissioner to make sure that they knew what the changes were and her emails were even

Focused on your commission and what changes really affect your commission

So she did highlight you know these are the things you should take a peek at yeah

That's great. I really appreciate that and I just want to say you know, I think

Obviously, we've had conversations about this of the last like even just like a little bit of an intense notice

Obviously it was public when the agenda was public

But we know that there might even be some folks on that commission who might eat a little bit more time to process things and so on

So but really good point to point out and appreciate the work on that

So let me take a stab at emotion

That

we will move

All of the changes except for items dealing with the purpose power and scope

Of any of the commissions to come back so we can have just a further clarifying discussion

on that

All right motion and a second is that clear

So that's clear to me so any chip the purpose section and then the powers and duties section

We're going to leave intact and then other changes we're going to move forward mr. React is that clear?

So you

There you go

So you do want to move this forward to council

But we're going to go back and wherever we made any substantive changes to the purpose or the scope will revert to the previous language

Is that we should just yeah, yeah, I'm sorry the purpose and duties purpose and the powers and duties

Revert those changes

Um, I will it was an oversight sorry

I will fix the title of the measure you commission to to to honor the request

Community advisory in measure you commission title and then also this is exempting animal care

Because we're going to change the name and we did work with that commission on their purpose their powers and duties

Yes, so then we're adding in the change on the preservation commission that was on

You're still clear. Thank you. There's none

Okay motion and a second all in favor

I

Thank you so much on that. Thank you for everyone who showed up and spoke on this so our next conversation is

policy direction on the 2018 Sacramento ethics commission recommendations which were put forward by

councilmember valance wala and

We've come back and we send a back out and now we're back for a conversation

Do we have any public speakers on this item?

Thank you chair. I have no speaker slips on item six. Okay, then I will turn it over to councilmember valance

Or is there anything new? Sorry

Madam clerk anything new you want to update us on that has not been presented before

No, I would be happy to make an introduction if you'd like, but there is no new information to share

Our chair of the Sacramento ethics commission Linda Eing is here in the audience if you have questions for her

Okay, so

Yeah, the feedback from last meeting. I think there was some obvious

Elements of these recommendations that we were not prepared to move forward with such as making the council independent a commission

Independence and that would cost several million dollars, which we do not have and some other changes

I think the point of this item was to go back to the commission and say okay

Given what we discussed like are there parts of this that you'd still like to pursue

This was originally submitted as part of last year's

Annual report as we still want these recommendations pursued

But it sounds like maybe that has changed given the information from the city attorney and from the clerk

But I'd love to ask missing

If you want to come up and

Comment on that. I mean that was

The point of bringing this back was that the ethics commission gives the chance to talk and come back

Absolutely

I

Linda

Linda hi

Good morning chair members of the committee. So I'm here to answer any questions that you may have and I'm sorry

I just my name is Linda Eing

I'm the current ethics commissioner. It's also one of the in auguro

Commissioner when the commission was established in 2017

So anyway, um, thank you for moving this

Our recommendation forward

um, I know

As is the long haul but rest assured the commission want to build a more robust and stronger commission to serve the city of

Sacramento

so um, yes, we want to bring this back, you know and

report it back

With our

Commissioner and also because

We have brand new commissioners. Okay, and we are all looking forward to working on this issues

Um, and we're going to report back

At the end of this

There's a 2020 for report

Wow

Was that the um request of the ethics commission because we had a pretty good discussion up here with the clerk and then

the point of

This pause was to sort of give the commission a chance to come back and say are there parts of this you still want the council to move forward

But it sounds like you're saying you'll include that in the next annual report because there's new commissioners

No, we're going to you know put this

Uh for this year's report as our annual report. Okay, okay

And you know, we we we hoping the

The committee would you know move this move our recommendations forward because it's very important and otherwise

There won't be you know discussing this and um, you know number one

So is it okay that if I go and tell you, you know, how we feel about this

Yeah, I mean you mean that once you go back to the commission or today today right now. That's what that's why you're here. Yes

Absolutely

You have to make it the way woman. Yeah, but anyway, um, thanks again, you know for doing that and uh, so just let me dissect

You know, there's four items into two section. Okay

Group number one, you know, we talk about the staffing and subpoena power

We understand is very important, but it's also we we talk about budget and we also talk about men power and also

You know these two items is going to require the council approval and put it on the ballot

So it's a long haul, but the reasons why we wanted to

Indicator be have an

Independence stop is simply because

You know, I'll give you a worst case scenario

So if that's a bad apples in the city council

right and um

We say you know, we want to you know take immediate action

So we can take immediate action if we have to spend a power

Whether having to come back to the city council and um

Have have you decide because then they can then they create some conflict of interest

So this is just one example as for the staff as we all know that

The

Eckhart committee is being demolished

There is a way we cannot have an Eckhart committee

But the past work the commission is really dependent on you know besides our help is also outside

You know forming an Eckhart committee to to work on issues. So

By having an independent staff we can just have the staff to do our work without having to and go to

um

Say city court soft as and request some help because

Because without a staff

You know we our

You know our abilities only very limited so

With the staff with by having a staff we can just ask the staff to do some work such as very important research

You know in in our future work

so um

Sure and you know for the a lg for the a lj now

a lj

a lj is not going to diminish our work

And I was also

Prepared to give us a give us a better better um. Thank you. We appreciate your time

Thank you Linda. Well, thank you for the time

So um, I guess for me this came down to a couple of key points for

Exploration because um definitely hear the call for staff

Also definitely know we don't have the money to do that right now

I know the unfortunately you have for better force

Been in front of that exclusion several times since I've been on the the ties and you know

There's independent investigators that are brought in to support you know in between meetings and to make sure there's reports to the

Commission and so I think the areas that I was most interested in at the end of last meeting was subpoena

Power and the education and training like are there things that we could do because those are things that we could look at

So when it came to subpoena power. I know for the city attorney

It was a really question of like what's possible without a charter amendment, right?

You know, I know currently there is a process by which the commission could ask the city attorney's office to ask the council for subpoena

But obviously Linda brings up an important question that we discussed briefly in our last meeting

Which was what happens if the council's involved somehow in that subpoena, you know

If it has to do with an allegation that maybe a bunch of us colluded and did something we weren't supposed to do like how would you get us a

Pina to kind of compel testimony or documents if that occurred granted

We hope that never occurs, but you know, it's sort of those one of those scenarios

So I don't know mr. Ruyaq if you're prepared to

opine on that at all today air

You mean on the practicality of coming in and having that

having a

Council that is potentially implicating an investigation being the

Body that needs to make a decision whether or not to give us a peanut to be

Obviously, there's a practical implication there

um, that's more practical than legal

There's also obviously the charter also provides that a committee of the council can also issue

Issue subpoenas

We have previously opined when the police commission

also made a similar request

Eight ten years ago for subpoena power that they would need to go and get a charter amendment to

To allow for that because currently the charter which is a limiting document on the exercise of powers by

City government provides that the subpoena authority lies within the council or a committee of the council

so that's our current

position on on granting the ethics commission's subpoena power

I'll note that

You know, just as a practical concern there are ways to conduct investigations without subpoenas

And so and and that is what has happened so far through various means when we've had the independent evaluator preparing

Investigations on behalf or option say on behalf for review by the commission that there are still means to achieve

factual investigation inquiry and conclusions without the necessity of a subpoena

So I I just I'll leave it there. Okay. No, that's helpful

I didn't know that a committee of us could make that decision as well

So that's a helpful clarification

So if for some reason five or six council members were implicated in some sort of scandal

You know the remaining council members could still convene and authorize a subpoena to be issued by requests of the commission through the city attorney

Okay, well, I guess then maybe for me this is back to the commission

Again, in terms of the education training and policy for your annual report like what are like looking at the changes the clerk has made on commission trainings and the requirements

We already have under the law to take certain ethics trainings like where are there gaps that you would like to see filled

I mean obviously you can make any recommendation you want and if independence remains one but

Recognizing the budgetary constraints that we exist in you know finding this are $1 million to do that

Just doesn't seem feasible. So I think for me this would be giving it back to the ethics commission for them given this information about the peanut power given what we're saying about our budget constraints

To maybe refine and consider revising these coming forward in their next annual report

Thank you councilmember

I'm pretty close to where you are you know, it's one of those things where

We have an ethics commission and then I understand the need for complete independence

Because then who are we to be deciding how we are

There is oversight, but I also look at

one, what is the problem and

two, what's working right now

three

Having some fingers crossed in faith that we also

elect good people

knowing that there is state level oversight that can come in

um and

Three realizing that this is probably

Gotta go to the voters

That we should not necessarily be involved of of how all of this works

um because subpoena power really is a charter amendment

um and it's you know when we look at the budget and the budget deficit

um, I don't see a huge problem need right now in this area where I do see a need in our parks and our police and our public works and street safety of

balancing where we spend all the funds

um, I am always supportive of education training and policy and I gotta tell you the FPPC Fair Political Practices Commission

Has a lot of videos and educational information on its website that maybe

It can be part of where I see where the ethics commission and that would be something I would be supportive of ethics commission looking at

What are trainings out there that would be good for all of our commissions

I am not supportive of hiring another consultant to develop a training program

um

That's where I can kind of say this should be where the ethics commission

spends their time and effort looking at what training what programs are already out there what videos are already on YouTube

You know state law requires us to do ethics and updated training

um

We don't I don't think we need to hire somebody to look at that. I think that's where the ethics commission wants to be involved

And I would be very supportive of them taking a holistic look and maybe part of their report recommendations as

Other training that not just themselves, but all the commissions could potentially have

Uh in mind so I would say my direction is back to the ethics commission to look at

What is already out there and what do we see is what would potentially be most useful

uh for our commissioners

But unfortunately recommendations made in 2018

um

I'm I'm not supportive ask right now because I really think it should be a decision of the voters

So I think I'll make a motion chair

Just in terms of technicalities for all those processes laid out for us here um in that motion for to

Decline the current recommendations

um with the requests to the ethics commission to

Review the information we've provided in these discussions and to come back with revised recommendations this year

I will second any

Questions comments so it doesn't continue to exist in the cether space. Yeah. Yes. I appreciate that very much

So there's a motion and a second all in favor. Hi. Hi

Thank you so much

We are at the end of the agenda is there anybody who has submitted a card for discussion on items not on the agenda public comment

Thank you chair. I do have one speaker slip for mr. Keyun bliss mr. Bliss

Two minutes sir

I was hoping to comment on the last item item six, but was told that the comic you got come up from that

Um, and I think the recommendations that the ethics commission puts forward being that they're also from 2018

I mean you've already made your decision, but I'm of the mind of that

They seem

Very clear sensed within that and I think given our cities one point

uh

One point four billion dollar budget

I think there are places in which could easily support early supplement staffing

I worry a lot of times uh from my

work

On a city commission that the rules are sometimes

not used as

necessarily support, but rather as barriers to prevent

Some of like some of our commissions particularly the ones that relate to

concerning topics or difficult conversations and um and discourse

uh from actually functioning the way that they were intended to do by council and uh to really

uh

bring to like bring community members together to really like work through and discuss um and

Find solutions together that like you know balance the need for both transparency as well as

civilian oversight and service which

Council is really elected by the people to do

um and city staffer or public servants to serve on to that and I think

You know there are examples of other city departments that allows a peanut power through that and I'm one of the questions that came to my mind was

What is preventing um

Council from imposing rules upon itself to recuse itself to require recusals of any implicated members and ethics investigations to

From any vote or motions to to issues to pin us on behalf of the ethics commission

Office public safety accountability has that power

Which means that you know it is uh there is standing for other plate other partners to have that in other bodies

But something to consider for your comments your time is complete uh chair. I have no other speaker slips

Well tomato

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