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everybody I'm just reading through sorry welcome to the January 30th 2025 planning and design

commission the meetings now called to order will the clerk please call the roll to establish

a quorn. Thank you chair. Commissioner Lee.

Here. Commissioner Lamas. Here. Commissioner Nibble.

Commissioner Kaden. Commissioner Hernandez.

It's absent. Commissioner Maseus Reed. It's absent. Commissioner Wallace.

Here. Commissioner Blanc. Here. Vice Chair Chase. Here. Commissioner Risky.

Commissioner Thompson. Here. And Chair Young. Here. Thank you. We have a quorn.

Thank you. I'd like to remind the members of the public and chambers that if you would like to

speak on an agenda item please turn in a speaker slip when the item begins.

You will have two minutes to speak once you are called on after the first speaker we will no

longer accept speaker slips. We will now proceed with today's agenda. Please rise for the opening

acknowledgments in honor of the Sacramento's Indigenous people and tribal lands.

To the original people of this land the Nisanan people the southern Maidu,

Valiant claims Miwak Patwin win two peoples and the people of the Wilton,

Rancheria. Sacramento's only federally recognized tribe may we acknowledge and honor the

native people who came before us and still walk beside us today on these ancestral lands by

choosing to gather together today in the active practice of acknowledgement and appreciation

for the Sacramento's Indigenous peoples history contributions and lives. Thank you.

Please rise for the pledge. Pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America

and to the Republic for which it stands one nation under God, indivisible liberty and justice.

All right before we go on to the consent calendar, can we go to the directors report?

Thank you chair. A couple of items for the directors report this evening. First this past

Tuesday, January 28th the City Council approved the planning divisions 2025 planning and zoning

work program. The work program will govern the activities of our long range and zoning staff

over the next year. So thank you very much to the commission for their input at the end of

last year on the work program and we'll look forward to seeing those activities here at the commission

coming up on coming up agendas. On January 21st council approved the corporate way self-storage

project for which the commission had recommended approval at its meeting on December 12th.

And the February 13th commission meeting, so this next one is going to be cancelled. We don't

have any hearing or discussion items for that agenda so we'll be canceling the meeting.

That means our next meeting will be on February 27th. That's all I have. Thank you chair.

Thank you. We'll move on to the approval of the consent calendar. Clarke, are there any members

of the public who wish to speak on the consent calendar? Thank you chair. I have no speakers

lips on this item. All right. Thank you. Are there any commissioners who wish to speak on this item?

Okay. Is there a motion and a second for the consent calendar?

Commissioner Blunt. Thank you. Commissioner Wallace. Second. Thank you.

All right.

Oh, can you call roll please.

Thanks. Thank you chair.

So giving it. Commissioner Lee.

Aye.

Commissioner Lamas. Aye.

Commissioner Nibbo. Aye.

Commissioner Kaden.

Aye.

Commissioner Hernandez. It's absent.

Commissioner Mussis. Read is absent. Commissioner Wallace.

Aye. Commissioner Blunt. Aye.

Vice chair Chase. Aye. Commissioner Rishki. Aye.

Commissioner Thompson. Aye.

And Chair Young. Aye. Thank you. The motion passes.

All right. We'll now proceed to the discussion calendar.

Item two is the day trip or bar. Is there a staff presentation?

Thank you.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Good evening to the chair.

Vice chair.

Hello.

I was out of all.

So see if I can speak to the development department.

The item before you is the day trip or bar project, also known by file number p24-016.

The applicant is requesting to establish a cocktail bar in a ground floor suite of a new

four-story residential mixed use building located southwest of the intersection of 17th street

and rice alley. Within the office business low-rise mixed use zone and the central city special

planning district, the business will feature an indoor bar and lounge area as well as an outdoor

patio along rice alley. The proposed hours of operation are 3 pm to 2 am seven days a week.

The bar will not include a kitchen and is intended to be styled as a high end sophisticated

neighborhood gathering place that complements the neighboring dining establishments in the area.

To achieve the intended ambiance, the bar provides seated table service like a restaurant with

drink orders placed with cocktail servers. While no exterior building modifications are proposed,

the outdoor patio is proposed to be improved with the new six-foot tall CMU fencing with architectural

breeze blocks and landscaping within steel planters along 17th street and rice alley.

To establish the bar, the project requires planning and design commission review of a

conditional use permit to authorize the bar use and site plan and design review for the exterior

patio improvements. Staff meals have public hearing notices to all property owners, residents,

and neighborhood associations within 500 feet of the project site as well as posted a hearing

notice at the site. Two dates staff has received one comment that's not applicable to the proposed

project and there is no known opposition. Staff recommends the planning and design commission

approve the requested entitlements. With that, that concludes my presentation. I'm available for

any questions and the applicant, Henry DeVierre White, is here to do a brief introduction. Thank you.

Good evening, everybody. I'm Henry DeVierre White. It's my brother Simon DeVierre White.

We appreciate you taking time to consider this. We're really excited about this project.

We've been working on it for two years. We opened DeVierre's Irish pub here in Sacramento a

long time ago now and we also operate the snug on our street. We have Rochambo on J Street.

We're partners in public house downtown and we own and operate the butterscotch den in Oak Park.

If you haven't gone, it's amazing. We're looking to build community. We're looking to be responsive

and fill in need. We're looking to help grow Sacramento. We're really excited about this project.

It's going to be beautiful. We hope you all will come down and enjoy it and we're here just to

answer any questions if you have them. But we've worked really closely with city and planning

and with the landlords there and we've worked with the architect there and we hope we're going

to provide something that's a real wild factor for Sacramento and really helps to continue to

contribute to that area and its growth and development. Thank you. Before we move on to

any members who wish to speak on the item or any discussion, I just wanted to ask the commission.

Are there any disclosures and recusals? Okay, Commissioner Wallace.

I exchanged text and email with the applicant consistent with this staff report.

Thank you. Commissioner Nibba. I received an email.

Thank you. Okay.

All right. Clerk, are there any members of the public who wish to speak on this item?

Thank you, Chair. I have no speakers lips on this item. Okay.

Are there any commissioners who wish to speak on this item? Questions?

Commissioner Vice Chair Chase.

Okay. From this project for a number of years, it's nice to see the development that's occurring

along S Street at this point in time. Fortunately, I had moved in time to miss the construction,

but we still do go back there and it's nice to see this happening. With that, I would move

approval of the project. Thank you. Commissioner Wallace.

I will second. All right. Any other comments or items from the commissioner?

Okay. Will the clerk please call the roll for the vote?

Thank you, Chair. Commissioner Lee.

Aye. Commissioner Lamas. Aye. Commissioner Nibba.

Aye. Commissioner Caden.

Aye. Commissioner Hernandez. It's absent. Commissioner Moss has read.

It's absent. Commissioner Wallace. Aye. Commissioner Blan.

Aye. Vice Chair Chase. Aye.

Aye. Commissioner Risky. Aye. Commissioner Thompson.

Aye. And Chair Young. Aye. Thank you. The motion passes.

Thank you. We'll now move on to item three. Are there any disclosures or recusals from the commission?

Before we begin the presentation. Okay. I did speak to the applicant

earlier this afternoon, consistent with the staff report. All right. We'll move on to the staff

presentation. Good evening, Chair and members of the Planning Design Commission. I'm Danny Abbas with

the Planning Division. This item is a request to construct 125 unit apartment complex on a vacant

4.1 acre site located at 8740 Bruceville Road, immediately north of the Laguna Village Shopping

Center within the office business zone and the Laguna Meadows Plant Unit Development.

The request requires that the commission adopt the resolution to amend the

Plant Unit Development Guidelines to re-designate the site from office to residential use

and approve a site plan and designer view entitlements with the deviation to rear yard setback

development standards. Staff believes that dense residential development is the best to use

for the site. We'll complement the adjacent shopping, dining service and entertainment center

and we'll take advantage of future light rail proximity. A thoughtfully designed site plan provides

good pedestrian circulation and connections, natural creek views, water management and well-located

amenities including a pool, kids play area and community rooms. Staff supports the deviation to

the building rear yard setback development standard, believing it meets the intent of privacy

considerations since no balconies face the existing lower density residential development to the

west and since there are no active uses within 25 feet of the property line. Staff recommends that

the commission adopt the resolution allowing for residential development at the site and approve

the site plan and designer view entitlement based on the findings and subject of the conditions

listed in report attachments three and six. That concludes the presentation. The applicant

Dave would like to briefly introduce himself after that. Both the applicant and staff would be

available to answer any questions. Thank you. Thank you.

Good evening. My name is Dave Jacobson. I'm the project management consultant on this project.

I just wanted to say thanks for considering our project. I think it's a really special one. I

hope you agree. I just wanted to send out some appreciation to city staff. Daniel has been

terrific. He's been very timely and getting responses back to us and he had to hustle to get the

staff report ready for tonight's hearing. That was very much appreciated. Ron Vess has been

terrific working on sequestries. He's been great at turning things around. He's been very concise.

Colleen was a little tough on us when it comes to urban forestry but that's okay. She had

some great comments and I think as a result of RIMPWIT we have a much better landscape concept.

And then Marcus has been terrific too and helping us really fine tune our pedestrian connections

to the commercial center and just a terrific project makes sense at this location. So I'm here

to answer any questions and again appreciate your time. Thank you.

Clerk are there any members of the public who wish to speak on this item?

Thank you chair. I have no speaker slips on this item.

All right. Thank you. Are there any commissioners who wish to speak on this item?

Vice Chair Chase. Thank you chair. I had a question for Danny.

Regarding pedestrian connection. I think on site pedestrian circulation seems to work

fairly well. I know there's an IOD for future light rail ride along Bruceville there. I'm

wondering why the connections to the sidewalk to the public way seem to be kind of pushed off

off to the corner. I'm wondering why that is that configuration.

Sure. So the thought there was having the most direct path to the sidewalk and so it's just

yeah I think that that's basically it is it's just direct and the path that most people would

like to use rather than having a connection that is sort of straight across or farther away. So

that was the thought there and then there's also a condition of approval as part of this project

that once the light rail is developed there that there would be another pedestrian gate and

connection along the side of that building on the east so that the residents can have a

most direct and convenient connection to the shopping center and south. Thank you.

Thank you. Thank you. Commissioner Katie. Did I miss commission Ralamas?

Okay you rescinded. Okay. Thank you chair. It's noting in the staff report that there was a 50-foot

rear yard setback which I guess you know it's it mentioned it was unique but it struck me as well

as a little bit overkill. I'm just curious how how those come to be is that a figment of just this

particular PUD and who who was asking for that? Yeah that was particular to this

planning development. The guidelines for this were developed in the 80s so I think you know people

were to be honest with you I don't know exactly what they were thinking.

So it's our job to interpret it and also to apply you know thoughtfulness to you know today's

environment. Thank you. Commissioner Blunt. I'm curious as to why or curious

if the applicant or city staff looked into using AB 2011 for this project.

It's a it's a bill state bill that allows for Sequa to be skipped over for essentially exactly

this sort of situation where you're looking at trying to change the zoning for a property from

office or commercial to residential. I'll take a side Dan. So I guess the first issue is

it's we're changing the schematic plan and not the zoning I think I'm not sure of 2011

would cover that so that would be my first response. That's all I was just curious as to why.

Commissioner Ryszki. Thank you. Yeah this looks like a really wonderful project. I'm really

happy to see this this going in here. I often think one of the ways to get more projects like

this is just to make sure that they're really well received and I I liked how this project you

know suggested that there was no active uses near near the backyards of the single family which is

great and I do notice there's like a car washing station right up against that fence as well as

a patio on that west side and I know these are early entitlement plans so things things can change

but just to make it as as you know really think about where those active spaces are so that you

know these projects get a lot of accolades from the neighbors which I think I think this one well

and yeah just limiting you know light trust pass if you know as you get close to the backyards

you can have lower ballered lights or things like that. Thank you. Any other additional comments?

Commissioner Gagan? I'll make a motion move the item. Thank you. Commissioner Thompson.

It's on quick question and then or actually maybe more of a comment and then I'll second.

You guys have paid a lot of attention to internal pedestrian flow especially with the safety and

the raised and visually separated walkways which I think is awesome especially in such a

denser area. I'm the one area that does seem a little bit at risk is that very initial turn in

where you've got a nice little parking space with not necessarily a protected piece and just as a

consideration I know you might lose this spot but that might be an additional because that's

where a lot of people are coming in and where you'll see heavier visitor parking but with that I

will second the motion. Thank you. Thank you. Any other comments? Well I'm excited that there's

repurposing of this site for multi-family housing I think that the South area is just a primary

area for continuous growth and so we're creating more housing choices in that area. So with that I'm

supportive of this project as well so Clark is there a just making sure Clark can you do the roll call

for the vote. Thank you chair. Commissioner Lee? Aye. Commissioner Lamas? Aye. Commissioner Nibbo?

Aye. Commissioner Caden? Aye. Commissioner Hernandez is absent. Commissioner Mus is Reed is absent.

Commissioner Wallace? Aye. Commissioner Blant? Aye. Vice Chair Chase? Aye. Commissioner Rishki? Aye. Commissioner Thompson? Aye.

And Chair Young? Aye. Thank you the motion passes. Thank you.

I think we've done with the public hearing items so when we moving on to items

members comments ideas questions and meeting conference report. Let me just make sure.

Are there any I yeah any members anything not on the agenda that commissioners wish to speak on?

Oh Commissioner Caden sorry. Oh no worries yeah thank you chair and this is sort of related I guess

to the last item but didn't totally fit so I just figured I'd say it here I think you know we have

a lot of language I've been noticing in in PUDs I recognize PUDs are like outside of Title 17 but

also just in Title 17 that kind of require these setbacks or institute these you know more

restrictive height limits if you're within a certain distance of a single family neighborhood or

like an R1 neighborhood and I think you know that look at a Meadows PUD requirement that you can have

a multi-family housing project within 50 feet of an adjacent low-density residential neighborhood

that's that's one example but I do think it's it's laced throughout Title 17 and you know I was

looking through some of our like special use districts for example and for example the Al

Hambro one has quote development located within 300 feet of a residential zone shall not exceed 35

feet in height this restriction restriction is intended to establish a buffer zone to protect

residential neighborhoods from visual intrusion by new development that's out of scale with the

adjacent residential neighborhood and then even like our most like permissive zones like C2 for

example they have this kind of transition height requirement that that neck you down from 65 feet

down to 45 feet if you're within I think 40 feet of an R1 zone and I guess I just I bring these up

because I was thinking about it a little bit just from tonight's item and to me they don't the

those types of things don't seem to really I guess implement what we're what we're trying to do

on housing in this city and and what we kind of tried to make a commitment to do as part of the

general plan and to me it's because those are what that's effectively doing is you're requiring

deviations you're requiring you know an expensive discretionary process which costs money right it

dissuades people from coming out it's a scary process you have to come before a commission right a

lot of smaller developers are probably not going to want to do that maybe they don't want to take

on the the I.R. risk of going through some sort of secret document in a discretionary process so

to me it kind of hamstrings I think our ability to kind of deliver on on these more affordable

housing types so and I you know I think there's a little bit of this like implication in there

to me that you know folks who can afford a single family house need to be sort of like protected

from like buildings and apartments where people who can afford a single family house have to live

right and that to me just feels like a little bit off so I think you know I know we're we're going

to be you know doing a full zoning code overhaul here to kind of implement and be consistent with

the general plan and so I'm wondering if as as a part of that and I guess I'm looking at staff in

the audience if we can kind of take a look systematically at some of those requirements that are

you know specifically related to distance from single family homes and just kind of take a

closer look at that and see if that still makes sense you know who are we protecting who is that

coming at the expense of right that kind of question so thank you thank you

any other commissioner comments ideas

okay last item is public comments and matters not on the agenda

clerk are there any members of the public who wish to speak on the public comments

thank you chair I have no speaker slips on this item great thank you

I think with that that concludes today's agenda thank you for walking through this with me

for my first time so thank you for your participation and support with that the meeting is adjourned

and now I got it