I'd like to call to order this meeting of the Sacramento County Board of Supervisors

for Tuesday, January 13, 2026.

Mr. Clerk, will you please call the roll and establish a quorum?

Certainly.

Supervisor Kennedy.

Here.

Supervisor Desmond.

Here.

Vice Chair Rodriguez.

Here.

Supervisor Hume, absent at the moment, and Chair Serna.

Here.

We have a quorum.

Very good.

Can we please read our statement?

This meeting of the Sacramento County Board of Supervisors is live and recorded with closed captioning.

It is cablecast on Metro Cable Channel 14, the local government affairs channel,

on the Comcast and DirecTV U-verse cable systems.

It is also live streamed at metro14lime.saccounty.gov.

Today's meeting replays Friday, January 16th at 6 p.m. on Metro Cable Channel 14.

Once posted, the recording of this meeting can be viewed on demand at youtube.com forward slash metro cable 14.

The Board of Supervisors fosters public engagement during the meeting and encourages public participation, civility, and use of courteous language.

The Board does not condone the use of profanity, vulgar language, gestures, or other inappropriate behavior, including personal attacks or threats directed towards any meeting participant.

Seating is limited and available on a first-come, first-served basis.

Each speaker will be given two minutes to make a public comment and are limited to making one comment per agenda off-agenda item.

Please be mindful of the public comment procedures to avoid being interrupted while making your comment.

Comments made by the public during Board of Supervisors meetings may include information that could be inaccurate or misleading,

particularly concerning topics related to public health, voter registrations, and elections.

The County of Sacramento does not endorse or validate the accuracy of public statements made during these open public forums.

The recordings are shared to provide transparency and access to the proceedings of public meetings.

To make a comment in person, please fill out a speaker request form and hand it to clerk staff.

The chairperson will open public comments for each agenda off-agenda item and direct the clerk to call the name of each speaker.

When the clerk calls your name, please come to the podium and make your comment.

If a speaker is unavailable to make a comment prior to closing of public comments,

the speaker waives their request to speak and the clerk will file the speaker request form in the record.

The clerk will manage the timer and allow each speaker two minutes to make a comment.

Off-agenda public comments will take place for a maximum of 30 minutes.

The remainder of the agenda comments will take place at the conclusion of the time matters in the afternoon.

As a reminder, Rule of Procedure 10B allows the chair to establish uniform time limits for people addressing the board in relation to a particular matter.

Such limits may be announced at the beginning of each matter posted on the agenda and can include

setting a specific amount of time devoted to public comment for a particular item,

announcing cutoff times for receipt of request-to-speak forms,

reducing the amount of time per speaker,

or other reasonable and content-neutral measures.

You may send written comments by email to board clerk at saccounty.gov.

Your comment will be routed to the board and filed in the record.

If you need an accommodation pursuant to the Americans with Disability Act

or for medical or other reasons,

please seek clerk staff for assistance

or contact the clerk's office at 916-874-5451

or by email at boardclerk at saccounty.gov.

Thank you in advance for your courtesy

and understanding of the meeting procedures.

Very good. Thank you.

And let the record show that Supervisor Hume has joined us.

Will do.

If you'd please rise and join me in the pledge.

We pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America

and to the Republic for which it stands,

my nation under God, indivisible,

with liberty and justice for all.

All right, again, I'd like to welcome everyone

to the first Board of Supervisors meeting for 2026.

I want to wish everyone a Happy New Year,

a little belated, but it's good to see people here in chambers.

This will be my final time chairing.

FOR THE 2025 YEAR AND FOR MY STINT HERE SERVING ON THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS.

AND IT'S BEEN A GREAT YEAR.

WE'VE GOT A LOT DONE IN 2025.

WE HAVE A LOT MORE TO DO IN 2026.

I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO THE LEADERSHIP OF OUR INCOMING CHAIR.

BUT AGAIN, I JUST WANTED TO OFFER A NEW YEAR'S WELCOME TO EVERYONE THAT IS HERE

AND TO EVERYONE THAT MAY BE WATCHING ON METRO CABLE 14.

With that, Mr. Clerk, what's our first item?

Our first item will be agenda item number two, election of the board of supervisors, chairperson and vice chairperson.

Okay. I would like to nominate vice chair supervisor Rodriguez to serve as chairwoman for the 2026 year.

We have a motion and second, Mr. Clerk. Do we have anyone sign up to speak on this matter?

We have no, no item, no people signed up to speak on this item.

All right, very good.

Then please vote.

All right, that item passes unanimously.

All right, very good.

Congratulations.

Thank you.

And with that, we are going to recess for 15 minutes.

Chair?

Or vice chair.

I'm sorry?

Vice chair.

Oh, sorry, correct.

I entertain nominations.

I will go ahead and make a motion for Supervisor Hume to be a vice chair.

All right, very good.

I'll second that.

Anyone signed up to speak on this matter?

No one signed up to speak on this matter.

Super controversial, I don't know.

All right.

Please vote.

This item passes unanimously.

All right, very good.

Thank you, colleagues, for that reminder.

All right.

With that, we will now take a 15-minute break.

Actually, could we say a few words?

Oh, sure.

First, Supervisor Serna, I just want to thank you for your year of leadership as chair.

I've had the privilege of being vice chair and really learning a lot from you,

and I hope to be as efficient and effective in this new role as I have seen you this past year.

I also want to say that for many people who may know Supervisor Serna, he is a supervisor that leads with heart.

He has definitely has his priorities set very well.

I've learned from him a lot of things.

Sometimes I sometimes think I lack empathy, but really having sitting down with these individuals, especially with Chair Serna,

It has given me a much more different outlook to those who are underrepresented and underserved in our communities.

And so I am thankful for all that you've done.

I, you know, I'm glad that I get to serve this last year with you.

And there is a token of appreciation for the work that you have done.

A check to the Viewpoint Photographic Arts Center in your honor.

And, again, I just want to thank you for everything.

And I also want to just say that I am really appreciative to be chairing this next year.

I have the privilege of serving with four individuals who are highly effective supervisors.

These are four individuals that have been native Sacramentans.

They have a long history.

Their families have been here a long time.

And it is really, truly a privilege to serve with them.

I've only been in the Sacramento area for 20 years, 20 years in 2026.

but the experience and what they have in living here

and wanting to make Sacramento the region

a better place is really awesome to see.

And then for many people who don't know,

oftentimes here on the dais,

we can have contentious moments,

but behind the scenes,

it is a very respectful relationship with all of us.

It is very kind and gracious.

And so again, I am just looking forward to this next year

and thank you for, again, everything, Serna.

But I do want to do two things.

I would like a picture with you.

Okay.

What do you call that?

Gabble?

The Gabble, yes.

Sure, all right, very good.

And my friend Adrian is going to take it.

All right, and just for the record,

I do not own the Viewpoint Photographic Art Center.

It is a local nonprofit.

So here is a check for that, and then I...

There you go.

I'm handing it over.

All right.

All right.

Here we go.

Hold on.

All right.

Okay.

Good.

Thank you.

All right.

Thank you.

Well, thank you.

Thank you to my colleagues for, and especially Vice Chair Rodriguez, now Chair Rodriguez, for

those gracious words.

and again it's been a tremendous honor serving as chair for the third time in my career here and

again look forward to her very capable leadership she's no newcomer to uh sitting center at the

dais she obviously served as mayor for a number of years in in Folsom so i think she's going to be

a great chair in 2026 bringing that experience and spirit and energy to the

center of this dais and we have some challenges in front of us in 2026 like

most other local governments but I'm very confident that she's gonna help us

and shepherd us through what we need to do in terms of community ourselves to

the public's business in Sacramento County.

So with that, we will take a 15-minute recess.

We will now resume the Sacramento County Board of Supervisors meeting.

Would the clerk please call roll to reestablish a quorum?

Certainly.

Supervisor Kennedy.

Here.

Supervisor Desmond.

Here.

Supervisor Serna.

Here.

Vice Chair Heune.

Here.

And Chair Rodriguez.

Here.

We have a quorum.

Okay.

Would the clerk please call the next item?

The next item on our agenda is number one, public comments relating to matters not on the posted agenda.

And we do have one person signed up.

Our first speaker will be Desiree Fox.

Good morning, Desiree.

Let me know when I can begin?

Yes.

Go ahead.

Dear God, I pray you give me discernment right now

to use my voice in advocacy with diligence and respect.

Hello, Board of Supervisors. I come to Desiree Fox as a county employee of 10 years.

I come to you also frustrated but very much liberated.

Frustrated because, as I mentioned in the email I sent to you all on January 5, 2026,

there are some concerns I have as an employee of Sacramento County that have yet to be addressed.

Some of those concerns have come after I returned from protected leave after giving birth to my fourth child.

and I have had a lot of run around from a system that was supposed to give me time, respect, duty,

and some humanity as I navigated my process in returning to work. So here I stand in a public

forum because I have not been offered the opportunity to have a meeting with a member

of my commission, my supervisor, and myself to privately address some concerns that are very

valid, time consuming, and relate to how I can perform my job duties.

So now you find me liberated, cuz I get to teach my children in real time.

How to advocate for themselves when people are not validating your concerns and

are not treating you with the humanity you respect.

I formally request a meeting with a member of my commission,

my supervisor and myself to help resolve these issues.

And let the record show, I've used every internal system provided to me.

Human resources, I have showed up at buildings,

I have documented everything to the best of my ability,

I have used my voice, and now you find me here.

And I want it to be known that I understand

that this system has brought my people here enslaved,

and it's assumed that I don't have American citizen rights,

but I know that to not be true and it never was.

And I will use my voice to advocate for myself

to the best of my abilities,

to allow my children to see they deserve respect,

and for me to be allowed respect

as I come here as a county employee

to perform the duties of my job.

Thank you and have a beautiful day.

Thank you, Desiree.

And we have no other speakers signed up for off agenda.

Okay.

Will the clerk please call the next item?

All right.

The next item on our agenda is the consent calendar.

Items 4 through 45, and I do have some clerk notes.

First, item number 4.

we will be adopting an ordinance,

adopt an ordinance of the Sacramento County Code

amending sections 2.145.082 and 2.145.085

relating to Sacramento County Employees' Campaign,

waived full reading and continued from December 16, 2025,

item number two.

We also have item number five, which is...

is approve a tax revenue exchange agreement with the city of sacramento for the annexation of the

airport south industrial project and authorize the first amendment with the city of sacramento

for water services i'm noting that we are making the following deletions first from the recommended

action 1b on the board letter and also from paragraph b on the resolution we are deleting

the text contingent upon LAFCO's approval of the application for annexation. So that language is

deleted from both the resolution and the board letter. We have item number six. We are going to

drop. That is adoption of the 2025 Sacramento County Extreme Heat Hazard Annex and Extreme Cold

and Freeze Hazard Annex as emergency plans. We will need a separate vote to drop that item.

we have item 12 on the agenda adopting a board of supervisor ordinance adopt an ordinance amending

ordinance number 1598 relating to the compensation for members of the sacramento county board of

supervisors waived full reading and continued from december 16th 2025 item number 11 and also

item number 15 is being continued to january 27th we'll need a separate vote to move that

and that item is authorizing the director of airports or designee to execute the second

amendment to the agreement with las parking california llc for parking lot and shuttle bus

management services at sacramento international airport to extend the term for a period of 15

months to June 30, 2027 and increase management fees by $227,819 for a total contract amount of

$1,011,561. And then also item 41, that is adopt an ordinance amending chapter 9.120 to title 9 of

the Sacramento County Code relating to campaigning. This item, we are waiving the full reading and it

is continued from the December 16, 2025, item number 37.

Those are all the notes.

Okay, thank you.

I have two supervisors in the queue.

Supervisor Hume.

Thank you, Chair.

First of all, I would make the motion to drop item 6

and continue item 15 to the January 27th meeting,

but I would like to request a meeting

with the Director of Airports on item 15

between now and then.

Second.

And that motion passes 5 to 0.

And then I would request that the clerk record me as an abstention on item number 10.

I do not have a direct conflict of interest, but I have a good relationship with the Wilton Rancheria tribe,

and I would like to remove any appearance of impropriety.

We will record you as an abstention for item number 10.

Thank you.

I will read the titles of those items real quick.

Item number 10, the Hume abstention that is

adopt a resolution declaring county owned real property

located on Jackson road as exempt surplus land and

authorizing the execution of a sales and purchase

agreement and a quick claim deed for the sale of real

property to Wilton Rancheria, California.

A.P.

California.

APN 126-0100-023.

Environmental document exemption.

And then also for CERN number 47,

abstention.

That item is county service area number one,

zone number one, public hearing on the benefit

category, change in levy of increased service,

change for the Cordova Hills town center subdivision,

APN 073-0040-048-049-051. We will record your abstention.

I'm a little confused. 47 is a timed matter, not a part of the consent calendar?

It is.

Okay.

Yeah.

Never mind. I'll register my abstention at that point.

Thank you.

Okay.

I'll move the remainder of consent.

Second.

Okay, please vote.

And consent calendar passes by that motion, 5-0.

Will the clerk please call the next item.

Our next item,

we have, we can move to our,

we can move to our 10 o'clock

or separate matters own rakes appointment.

Do you want us to move into own rakes?

All right. So item number 56, own ranks appointment for 2026.

Getting to the right page here.

All right. Board of Supervisors, 2026 appointments from own ranks to regional boards and commissions.

First up, we have the Adult and Aging Commission.

This is a one-year term and currently appointed by the chair or chair-designee.

We have Erin Chong.

So, Chair Rodriguez.

Mr. Chong, hold on a second.

So, excuse me, but I don't have notes on that.

Certainly.

Yeah, this, I can make a copy of this or put it up.

Well, I have notes all over mine.

So these are the 2026 appointments,

and we can also continue this.

This particular item,

if you don't have a person you would like to appoint,

the current is Erin Chong,

and that was appointed by the previous chair, Chair Serna,

last year.

So continue to the next meeting.

Is Mr. Chong interested in continuing?

I am not. Mr. Clerk, through the chair, is this an appointment that traditionally runs with the chairmanship? Yes. Okay, then I would suggest that Supervisor Rodriguez consider maybe looking to appointing someone from your own staff. Okay, we could do that and then so let's move it to the next meeting. Next meeting, thank you.

And next we have the criminal justice cabinet.

This is also a one-year term

and the appointment does rest with the chair

and you can appoint a chair or chair designee.

Currently appointed is Rodriguez.

Oh, yes, I will remain on that.

Remain, thank you.

Next up we have the health

and human services coordinating council.

this is an indefinite term board of supervisor chair is the appointer and

Erin Chong is currently in the position okay I will appoint someone at the next

meeting okay thank you next we have the law library board of trustees the chair

appoints this person it's a one-year term currently we have Lisa Travis in

that position. Okay let's continue to appoint Lisa Travis to the position. Thank you.

Next we have the Northern California World Trade Center Board. It is a one-year term.

Currently serving is CERNA with the alternate Rodriguez and this position is filled by the

chair as the member and the vice chair as the alternate so we would appoint Rodriguez as the

member and the alternate as Hume for for this item. Sounds good. Then we have the regional

human rights fair housing commission. This is a one-year term. Alternates must be elected officials.

currently serving members are Kennedy and Rodriguez,

and the alternate is Hume,

and this is an open discussion for appointment.

Supervisor Kennedy, are you still interested in serving?

So we'll keep it as is.

Sounds good to me.

Then we have the Sacramento County California Capital Airshow

board of directors. This is a two-year term. The chair does appoint the designee. The previous

designee by Chair Serna was Felipe Fuentes. Okay, I will appoint someone at our next meeting. Okay,

thank you. And then finally, we are discussing the Sacramento County Public Facilities Financing

corporation. The chair is the president and the vice chair is the vice president. So in this

case we would appoint Rodriguez as the member as the president and the vice president would be Hume.

Okay. Thank you. And that concludes item 56 board of supervisors 2026 appointments. Okay.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Will the clerk please call the next item.

And that brings us to our

1015 timed item of presentation,

which is

presentation of resolution accepting

donations up to $40,000 from

Friends of Sailor Bar in support of the

Gibson Ranch Pathway to

Play Playground

Project in all supervisor districts.

I WANT TO BE ABLE TO GET A

PART OF THE BOARD.

GOOD MORNING CHAIR

RODRIGUEZ, MEMBERS OF THE BOARD.

LIZ BELLES, DIRECTOR OF REGIONAL

PARKS.

WE DO HAVE A POWERPOINT

PRESENTATION IF THAT COULD BE

PULLED UP, PLEASE.

IF NOT, I'VE GOT THERE WE GO.

AWESOME.

SO I AM HERE BEFORE YOU THIS

MORNING WITH SOME GREAT NEWS.

had stated up to, but it is actually going to be $40,000 in support of the Gibson Ranch

Pathway to Play, which for the record is within Supervisor Rodriguez's District 4.

So I'd like to give you a quick overview of the project.

The goal of our Gibson Ranch Pathway to Play is to create a play area that is specifically

designed to be accessible and for children that are on, that have been diagnosed with

autism spectrum disorder. It includes a variety of play equipment. It's specifically designed

for inclusive play, providing access to a range of sensory experiences. And the difference

of this playground, it's not your typical playground where everything is grouped together.

Everything is spread out so that we can limit sensory overload.

Sensory plays everything that involves all of your senses.

So touch, smell, taste, movement, balance, sight, and hearing.

Obviously, we know that this is beneficial for all children,

but it is especially helpful for kids with autism.

It does a lot of things, including supporting language development,

cognitive growth, your fine growth motor skills,

It aids in developing your brain, and it's a very important part of early childhood development.

Sensory play, as you may know, is very important for calming anxious or frustrated children.

If you've ever babysat a child and you know the smooth rocking motion is what calms them down,

that's exactly what we're talking about here.

So what are some target recommendations for a play area for children with autism?

It's an outdoor play area that has a fully enclosed fence built with a wide path around

the playground to help inform the children what's going on so they can establish what

they're seeing, where they are, and have a sense of security.

It should offer sand play, water play, musical play with instruments and imaginative play.

It should have some cozy areas where you can kind of escape and get away from everything that's going around you and reset if you need to.

It should incorporate a lot of movement, anything that spins, sways, rocks, or jumps.

This is just a brief overview of the plan.

It's actually going to be elevated so it goes up on a slope so that you have the ability,

one of the slides with some special equipment included, you actually get to roll down the

hill with the slide.

It's very exciting.

This is where it's going to be located.

It's going to be located at Gibson Ranch in the area that, for those of you who are native

Sacramentans, the old swim pole.

And this is just a few of the pieces of equipment that we're planning to incorporate, just so

you can see.

The one on the left is a We Go Round.

You can get inside that if you are in a wheelchair as well.

And it's a nice spinning movement.

It's not the merry-go-rounds of our past

that were death traps.

Survivor, 1974.

Some musical instrument play.

This is your teeter-totter reimagined.

Again, you're not going to launch your best friend

or sister off the side there.

This is our cozy area for quiet time.

This is a communication board for those who are nonverbal

but still would like to communicate with others

on things that they're interested in pursuing

in the playground, how they're feeling, that type of thing.

So project involvement.

Some of you might be asking, how did Friends of Sailor Bar

become aware of this project and become involved.

They were brought into this project because we made a

presentation to the American River Parkway Coalition

meeting.

And shortly after that presentation,

they said, we would really like to support this project

and help you raise money.

So they did that.

They did a special fundraising dinner,

which resulted in this donation of $40,000.

I'd like to give some special thanks to the Friends of Sailor

Bar Steering Committee, as well as Ringo Rhodes,

I THINK THEY ARE ALL RIGHT HERE IN THE AUDIENCE.

BUT THIS IS A VERY, VERY IMPORTANT PROJECT FOR THE

SACRAMENTO COMMUNITY AS A WHOLE.

AND SO I THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME TO BE ABLE TO MAKE THIS

PRESENTATION AND ACCEPT THIS DONATION.

AND WHY DON'T YOU GUYS ALL COME UP AND SAY HI REAL FAST.

MAYBE NOT SAY HI, BUT COME ON UP.

GET RECOGNIZED.

SO WHILE THEY ARE COMING UP, I DO HAVE A SUPERVISOR

I'm going to ask you to ask

you to ask your question.

I'm going to ask you to ask

Jasmine in the queue to speak.

Thank you, Madam Chair.

While you're making your way up to

the podium, I just want to thank

you, Liz.

I want to thank the friends of

Sailor Barr.

I'm very supportive of this

project.

Talk about turning lemons into

lemonade, right?

is, as you know, was, as you know, in response to a plan by the county to reopen some roadways

at Sailor Bar. And I just so appreciate your generosity and your graciousness for saying,

hey, let's not let the money go to waste and use it for a positive project, which is just

wonderful. I know Mark Laver, who's affiliated with UCP, is here as well in support of this

project. Now, I have to admit, I have a little trepidation about supporting something that's

outside my district where the money really originated.

But Jody and others, I would really still like to see,

and I know Diana Pageto's out there too,

I would love to see more outdoor nature education programming

at Sailor Bar.

I think that would be wonderful.

It is a unique gem in the crown

that is our American River Parkway in Sacramento County.

More to come on that.

We're going to have some great things for Sailor Bar

involving this very group.

So more to come. Thank you, Liz.

More to come. Thank all of you for your advocacy

for the parkway and for your support for this project.

And at the appropriate time, Madam Chair, I would move approval of the item.

I'll second. I have some comments, sir.

Okay. Yeah. Supervisor Serla.

Thank you. Yeah, I just wanted to certainly extend my

concurrent comments with my colleague in terms of

expressing gratitude to the Sailor Bar community

and everyone that's joined lives at the podium here.

But the modest guy behind you, Mark Laver,

who's already been identified by Supervisor Desmond

is someone I have a tremendous respect for

and been very fortunate to work with Mark in the past.

He's a past recipient of the annual CERN Prize

for his commitment and dedication

to really leading multiple efforts in our communities

when it comes to accessible playgrounds.

And he's got a very powerful story

that I certainly am not equipped to share with you.

That's his prerogative.

But he has shared it with me multiple times.

It's very touching.

It's the impetus for his activism

and his involvement trying to expand the network of these types of playgrounds across Sacramento County.

And if you've ever been to Southside Park, you know what I mean.

Southside Park has, I think, one of the best, if not the best playground anywhere in the region

when it comes to its inviting nature, the fact that it's so thoughtfully planned

when it comes to young people that have special needs.

So I just want to publicly thank Mark,

the humble guy sitting up in the cheap seats there,

for everything you do.

Thank you.

So Liz, I just want to say thank you to the friends

of Sailor Bar for your support.

I first learned of this when I met with Liz

about, oh gosh, a year and a half ago maybe.

And I was very excited for this project

because I have a nonverbal autistic grandson

who, for many of you know, when you take them places,

they don't have the ability, I mean,

they're super smart kids, but they don't have the ability

to say, excuse me, and they get excited and they run.

And so at playgrounds, oftentimes people interpret them

as being rude, but they're not.

It's just their, it's the world that they live in.

And so when you have places like this where families can go,

they are free to explore and learn and be who they are.

So thank you for supporting the project,

and I'm really glad that this project is now up and going

for these families with special needs kids.

We are planning construction this current year.

Very excited about that.

Thank you.

And, Clark, so this is a presentation.

Is there a motion tied to it?

There is?

Looks like

presentation presenters.

I don't have

it down as an item

for action.

Presentation, but it's a resolution

accepting donations.

Okay, all right, very good.

All right.

Thank you, everyone,

and thank you especially to everyone here.

We love this.

Thank you.

Resolution House is 5-0.

All right, would the clerk please call the next item?

Certainly.

And actually, Chair Rodriguez, we did have somebody...

Oh, that wanted to request to speak?

That had requested...

My apologies.

So if it's okay with you, we'd like to call up the speaker for a consent calendar item.

First, it is Christopher Lodgson.

My apologies, Christopher.

Should I just get each item up?

Yes.

All right, thank you.

So first, good morning, Chair and Supervisor.

My name is Chris Larson, Policy Manager at the Anti-Recidivism Coalition here in the Sacramento

Office, that is.

I'm here to talk about item 40, item 35, and item 34.

I'll quickly go through these.

So first, we appreciate the county's investment, as it concerns item 40, we appreciate the

county's investment in treating mental illness inside custody.

treatment as we believe reduces unnecessary incarceration and improves

public safety and as this program moves forward the program in question moves

forward we urge the county to prioritize continuity of care. Too often treatment

ends at release so for the folks who are currently incarcerated or those who are

released too often treatment ends at release leading to crisis instability

and re-incarceration. Connecting individuals to Medi-Cal community-based

providers and discharge planning is essential to reducing repeat

incarceration and I'd like to thank you for considering the reentry impact of

the investment in question. As it concerns item 34 staffing matters

programs only work if there are enough trained professionals to serve

transitioning people out of custody especially during the first and critical

weeks after release so we encourage the county to be clear about how these

positions the positions in question as it relates to the item how these

positions will support justice-involved individuals and to ensure that staffing

leads to faster access to care, better coordination, and fewer people cycling

back into custody. Thank you, of course, for prioritizing behavioral health

capacity. And finally, item 35, health conditions inside jail directly affect

community health after release. I mean, this is clear. Strong oversight improves

compliance, accountability, and reentry outcomes. We urge the county to ensure

that medical planning includes continuity of care after release and coordination with the community

providers. Supporting health at reentry reduces crisis-driven at reincarceration. And again,

we thank you for recognizing correctional health as a public health issue. And with that,

I will end my comments. Thank you. Thank you very much, Christopher.

And we also have signed up to speak Holly Tolbert.

Good morning, Holly. Good morning.

My name is Holly and I'm a member of advocates for Arden Arcade.

In addition to that, I run an Arden Arcade and Carmichael watch social media page, crime

social media page.

I am here today to support the extension of the local no camping ordinance to include

the word private property.

For the last year and a half, I have video documented the homeless problem in my area.

I have written about it and bear witness to the devastating effect that this has had on our local businesses in my community.

When I first started this, I helped several local businesses get letters of agency so my community can help them police their properties.

One of the problems we have had is shared spaced parking lots.

For instance, in the country club area, you have multiple property owners that share one parking lot.

If there's a problem, people just bounce to the next area and there is no letter on agency on that building.

We as a community then cannot call law enforcement if a problem exists.

If we do not know who the owner is or it's a vacant property, it can take weeks for these areas to clean up.

In particular, my area is District 3 Arden Arcade.

We have had serious issues with homeless encampments on private property.

A prime example is the one community center on Kingsway.

No one is currently in the building.

The building has had smashed windows, doors, graffiti everywhere, piles of trash and shopping

carts all over the street.

We have had people passed out from fentanyl on the front steps of our building, a block

from our local elementary school.

When we call the sheriff, they tell us that they do not have the authority to make the

report.

So this is now how we live with huge fenced areas around our buildings to keep the mischief

away.

I have done several encampment cleanups and found needles and paraphernalia all over my community.

Enough really is enough.

We need our community.

We need to give our community the power to govern our own areas and the authority of our law enforcement to get the job done.

Much is said about the rights of homeless.

Nothing is being said about the rights of our local businesses who are having to spend lots of money in fencing and security

just to assure that the customers and their employees have a safe space to shop and to work.

People that are simply trying to navigate getting into their place of employment are having to deal with this daily.

Our children are having to walk home from school having to experience this.

My community is fed up with the mountains of trash, piles of waste, bicycle parts, needles, and unvaccinated dogs running everywhere.

Our community deserves better.

We deserve safe parks, safe bike trails, and safe neighborhoods.

To wrap it up, Holly.

Yeah, sorry.

Oh, can I go?

Time, while your time has succeeded.

Okay, sorry.

Please vote yes on the extension bill of the no camping ordinance and please enforce it.

We need to stop enabling this behavior that has such a negative impact on our community.

Thank you, Holly.

And there are no other speakers on that item.

Okay.

And will the clerk please call the next item.

Certainly.

The next item on our agenda is 46.

That is authorized the county chief fiscal officer to enter into a master equipment lease purchase agreement

and a related equipment schedule number one.

with Bank of America, Public Capital Corp., or affiliate thereof,

for the purchase of approximately 2,150 APX N70 radio software and accessories

in the principal amount not to exceed $13,579,990

and authorizing the taking of all other actions necessary

to consummation of the transaction contemplated by the resolution.

Good morning, Chair Rodriguez and Board of Supervisors.

My name is Colin Bettis and I'm the County Debt Officer.

The item before you now is a request to approve the issuance of an equipment lease purchase agreement.

Per government code, any borrowing over $100,000 or more shall be discussed and deliberated as a separate item.

On December 16th, the Board of Supervisors approved a resolution of intent to purchase and finance Motorola equipment,

which will replace the current radios utilized by the Sheriff's Department as they are nearing the end of their useful life.

The method of financing of this equipment is consistent with how the prior radios were purchased and will minimize any budgetary impacts as the annual cost will increase by approximately $40,000 annually and will be included in the budget for next year.

The equipment lease is a 10-year lease, not to exceed approximately $13.6 million, and the term is consistent with the term of the prior lease.

The interest rate from Bank of America was the best of those proposed at 3.548%.

And this will be a fixed rate loan collateralized by the equipment and will be subject to annual appropriation.

The debt utilization committee met to review the issuance of the debt for this purchase

and recommended bringing it before the board for approval.

And that concludes my presentation.

All right. Any questions for Colin?

Supervisor Hume.

Thank you, Chair. Just a quick question. One, I think I understand that this lease is that basically $13.6 million would be prorated over the 10 years?

That's correct, yes.

Okay, and that matches or exceeds the life of the equipment?

Yes, that was reviewed thoroughly. The equipment typically ranges in life from about 10 to 20 years, or at least we stretch it to that useful life. But 10 years is consistent with the useful life of the products.

And then last question is will our rangers have the same radios and so that there will be seamless communication?

You know, I don't know if I have the answer to that question.

Supervisors, I know that the rangers are on the same system as them.

They might not be the specific radios that they're being purchased for the new ones,

but they are have interoperability with the sheriff's department.

Okay, so the technology of the devices isn't as important as the actual system for communication.

Okay, great. Thank you.

With that, I guess we can.

Are there any requests to speak?

We have no requests for this item.

I'd move the item.

All right.

Please vote.

This item passes unanimously 5-0.

All right.

Will the clerk please call the next item?

The next item on our agenda is time to item number 47,

county service area number one, zone one,

public hearing on the benefit category change and levy of increased service

charges for the Cordova Hills Town Center subdivision APN 073-0040-048-049

and-051.

Good morning.

Members of the board, Joe Grasik with County Engineering.

So the Cordova Hills Town Center project is located on the east side of

Grant Light Road, Grant Line Road, about 1,700 feet south of Douglas Road.

and consists of 463 single-family lots,

13 townhome lots, two multifamily lots,

six mixed-use commercial lots, a school lot, a park lot,

a detention base and miscellaneous open space

and landscape lots and associated site improvements.

And during the entitlement process,

the project was conditioned to provide full funding

for Street and Safety Light Maintenance,

which is provided by County Service Area Number One

for Unincorporated County.

And as a result, the project proponent

submitted an application to initiate the benefit category change process and in response to that

request a ballot and notice were mailed to the property owner on November 21st, 2025.

Currently the project consists of three existing parcels in the safety light only category and

each is assessed $2.56 annually. The proposed change is to the decorative street and safety

light residential and decorative street and safety light non-residential categories as applicable

AND IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE CSA1 ORDINANCE DEFINING THOSE TYPES OF

RESIDENTIAL DENSITIES THAT FALL INTO EACH CATEGORY.

THE FISCAL YEAR 25-26 RATE FOR THE DECORATIVE STREET AND SAFETY

LIGHT RESIDENTIAL CATEGORY IS $88.48 PER SINGLE FAMILY LOT.

AND THE NON-RESIDENTIAL RATE IS $1.76.01 PER FOOT OF PUBLIC

RIGHT-OFWAY FRONTAGE.

AND RATHER THAN GO THROUGH A DETAILED LIST OF EACH CALCULATION

for all of these properties.

That information is summarized in the board package

and was provided to the property owner

in the notice mailed with the ballot.

I'll state here that the proposed total assessment

for those properties in the decorative street

and safety light residential category

is approximately $4,866.40.

The proposed total assessment

for the non-residential category

is $88,847.80,

bringing the total proposed assessment

on all 552 mapped parcels

to $93,714.20.

So with that, if there are no questions from the board,

we recommend that the board open the public hearing

with the gavel,

consider any written and oral testimony objections

and protests,

close the public hearing with the gavel,

and then direct the clerk to tabulate

the return to protest ballot.

Very good.

I see no questions from my colleagues.

I will now open the public hearing.

I WANT TO REQUEST THE BALLOT.

I WANT TO REQUEST THE BALLOT.

I WANT TO REQUEST THE BALLOT.

I WANT TO REQUEST THE BALLOT.

ANYONE SIGNED UP REQUEST TO SPEAK?

WE HAVE NO ONE SIGNED UP TO SPEAK

ON THIS ITEM.

I WILL NOW CLOSE THE HEARING.

WILL THE CLERK PLEASE TAPULATE THE BALLOT?

THAT WAS TOO MUCH GALP.

THANK YOU.

WE HAVE RECEIVED ONE BALLOT.

Legal owner, Cordova Hills LLC, parcel number 073-0040-048-049-051,

site address Grant Line Road, Rancho Cordova, annual service charge 8848 per single family residential parcel or 1.7601 per foot frontage.

This ballot is signed and is marked as yes.

We have received no other ballots.

All right.

Will staff read their fill-ins, please?

Yes.

So since there is no majority protest,

I'll read the fill-ins for the resolution.

In section two, at the close of the hearing,

the board had received zero written protests.

Section three, at the close of the tabulation,

the board had received one protest ballot

totaling 100% of the total service charges to be levied,

of which 100% was in favor of the change of benefit category

and 0% was in opposition.

Okay.

Is there a motion?

I'll move to adopt the item.

Is there a second?

All right.

Please vote.

And this item passes 4-0 with one abstention by Supervisor Serna.

Thank you.

Okay, will the clerk please call the next item?

the next item on our agenda is timed item number 48 that is plnp 2024-00081 6702 filbert avenue

subdivision a community plan amendment and rezone tentative subdivision map special development

permit and design review for property located at 6702 Filbert Avenue, approximately 657 feet

north of intersection of Central Avenue and Filbert Avenue in the Orangevale community.

Applicant JTS Engineering Consultant, Inc. APN 213-0180-024. Environmental determination

notice of exemption. Good morning, Christian. Good morning. Good morning, Chair Rodriguez,

BOARD MEMBERS, MY NAME IS CHRISTIAN BALTHIZAR, ASSOCIATE PLANNER WITH PLANNING ENVIRONMENTAL

REVIEW AND THE PLANNER FOR 6702 FILBURT AVENUE SUBDIVISION.

THE SUBJECT SITE IS LOCATED AT 6702 FILBURT AVENUE IN THE ORANGEVILLE COMMUNITY.

THE SITE CONSISTS OF A 10-ACRE PARCEL THAT IS CURRENTLY VACANT.

HOWEVER, RECORDS DO INDICATE THAT THE SITE WAS PREVIOUSLY USED AS AN ORCHARD.

THE SITE IS CURRENTLY ACCESSED FROM THE WEST FROM FILBURT AVENUE AND SURROUNDING USES

IN ALL DIRECTIONS ARE SINGLE FAMILY DWELLINGS ZONED EITHER AR1, AR2, OR RD3.

THE SUBJECT SITE HAS A GENERAL PLAN LAND USE DESIGNATION OF AGRICULTURAL RESIDENTIAL

WHICH IS EXPECTED TO REMAIN AS WELL AS A COMMUNITY PLAN DESIGNATION AND ZONING OF AGRICULTURAL

RESIDENTIAL TWO ACRES OR AR2.

THE PROJECT SITE IS DIRECTLY ADJACENT TO AR2 ZONE PROPERTIES TO THE NORTH AND WEST,

RD3 zoned properties to the south,

and a mixture of RD3 and AR1 to the east.

However, as you can see by the zoning map

on the far right-hand side of the screen there,

the majority of the properties in the surrounding area

are either zoned AR1 or RD2.

The applicant is requesting a community plan amendment.

That's to change the AR2 land use designation to AR1.

A REZONE SIMILARLY TO GO FROM AR2 TO THE AR1 ZONING DISTRICT.

A TENTATIVE SUBDIVISION MAP TO SUBDIVIDE A 10 ACRE PARCEL INTO 10

RESIDENTIAL LOTS IN THE AR1 ZONING DISTRICT.

A SPECIAL DEVELOPMENT PERMIT TO ALLOW THE PROPOSED PROJECT TO

DEVIATE FROM PUBLIC STREET FRONT AGE STANDARDS AND AN EXCEPTION TO

TITLE SECTION 22.24.630 TO ALLOW THE PROPOSED LOTS TO BE SERVED BY

A MUTUAL WATER COMPANY.

And lastly, a design review to determine substantial compliance with countywide design guidelines.

On screen here, we have the community plan amendment and rezone exhibit.

As previously mentioned, the applicant is requesting a community plan amendment and rezone to change the entirety of the 10-acre lot from the AR2 designation to the AR1 land use designation and zoning.

The community plan amendment and rezone again would be for the entirety of the 10-acre site.

ON SCREEN NOW WE HAVE THE

PROPOSED TENTATIVE

SUBDIVISION MAP.

AGAIN, THE MAP WOULD BE

LOOKING TO DIVIDE THE 10

GROWTH ACRES INTO 10

RESIDENTIAL LOTS WHICH WOULD

RESULT IN 10 ONE-ACRE PARCELS.

ALL LOTS WITH THE EXCEPTION

OF LOT 6 ARE PROPOSED TO BE

ACCESSED BY A NEW PRIVATE ROAD

INDIANA COLDESAC SHOWN IN THE

CENTER OF THE SCREEN THERE.

THIS WOULD BE THE REQUEST FOR

THE SPECIAL DEVELOPMENT

PERMIT WHICH WOULD ALLOW THE

OH, I'M SORRY.

AND THE AR1 ZONING UP TO FOUR

LOTS ARE SERVED BY THE PRIVATE

DRIVE OR ARE ALLOWED TO BE SERVED BY A PRIVATE DRIVE.

THE PROJECT WOULD BE PROPOSING NINE TOTAL LOTS BE SERVED BY THE PRIVATE DRIVE.

LOT 6 WHICH IS SHOWN ON THE BOTTOM RIGHT HAND SIDE OF THE SCREEN THERE WOULD TAKE ACCESS

FROM THE NEW CUL-DE-SAC PROPOSED TO COMPLETE THE EXISTING PUBLIC ROAD WHICH IS CROWN STREET.

LET ME GO BACK ONE.

ALONG WITH THIS THERE IS AN EXEMPTION THAT'S BEEN REQUESTED TO DEVIATE FROM SECTION 22.24.630

OF THE SACRAMENTO COUNTY CODE

FOR PUBLIC WATER AND SEWER

REQUIREMENTS.

THIS SECTION STATES THAT THE

WATER PURVEYOR SHALL NOT BE A

HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION, A

MUTUAL WATER COMPANY OR

CORPORATION.

SACRAMENTO COUNTY RECORDS

INDICATE THAT THIS PARCEL WOULD

BE SERVED BY THE ORANGE VELL

WATER COMPANY WHICH IS

CONSIDERED TO BE A MUTUAL WATER

COMPANY OR CORPORATION.

PUBLIC WATER AND SEWER

REQUIREMENTS ARE PART OF COUNTY

CODE TO ENSURE THAT NEW

DEVELOMMENTS DO NOT HAVE

issues accessing water and sewer.

This project would be serviced by Sacramento Area Sewer District for sewer and the Orangeville

Water Company has provided the applicant a well-served letter indicating that they do

have the capacity to serve the new proposed slots.

This well-served letter is included in your hearing packets as attachment five.

Given we have received a large number of public comments on the drainage for the site, on

ON SCREEN NOW WE HAVE THE

PRELIMINARY GRADING AND

DRAINAGE PLAN THAT WAS

INCLUDED IN THE APPROVED LEVEL

TWO DRAINAGE STUDY THAT WAS

DATED JULY 1ST OF 2024.

THE PLAN HAS DRAINAGE

IMPROVEMENTS THAT INCLUDE THE

EXPANSION OF ROADSIDE DITCHES

ON FILBUR AVENUE, PROPOSED

ROADSIDE DITCHES ALONG THE

PRIVATE ROAD AS WELL AS

DETENTION PONDS ADJACENT TO

THE DITCHES ON FILBUR AVENUE

WHICH WOULD ALSO SERVE AS

BIORETENTION PLANTERS.

UPSTREME RUNOFF WILL BE

COLLECTED IN THE DITCHES THAT

THAT ROUTE EITHER DIRECTLY TO THE PROPOSED DETENTION PONDS OR DRAINS TO THE DRIVE OWL DITCHES,

WHICH WOULD SUBSEQUENTLY DRAIN TO THE DETENTION PONDS AND THEN DISCHARGE TO THE FILBERT AVENUE DRAINAGE DITCHES.

I DO ALSO WANT TO NOTE THAT A LEVEL 4 DRAINAGE STUDY IS CONDITIONED TO BE REQUIRED PRIOR TO THE IMPROVEMENT PLAN SUMMITMENTAL OR GRADING PLAN SUMMITMENTAL.

THESE ARE CONDITIONS 47-49 IN ATTACHMENT 2 AND THEY WERE CONDITIONED BY THE DEPARTMENT OF WATER RESOURCES.

THE PROJECT WAS REVIEWED BY THE ORANGEVILLE CPAC ON OCTOBER 1ST OF 2024.

A TOTAL OF 17 MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC SPOKE DURING THE PUBLIC COMMENT PORTION OF THE

ITEM.

THERE WERE THREE MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC IN SUPPORT AND 14 MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC

IN OPPOSITION.

THOSE IN SUPPORT OF THE PROJECT STATED THAT THE ABANDONED ORCHARD DOES NOT CONTRIBUTE

TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD, THAT THE PROPOSED AR1 ZONING AND ONE ACRE LOTS ARE RESPECTFUL

TO THE EXISTING NEIGHBORHOOD AND ARE CONSISTENT WITH SURROUNDING PARCEL SIZES AND THAT THERE

THERE IS A GENERAL APPRECIATION TO THE PROPOSED DRAINAGE IMPROVEMENTS.

THOSE IN OPPOSITION OF THE PROJECT STATED THAT THE OVERALL DESIRE TO MAINTAIN AR2 ZONE

PROPERTY, THEY EXPRESS CONCERNS WITH INCREASED TRAFFIC, SAFETY OF THOSE TRAVELING IN THE

AREA AS IN PEDESTRIANS, LOSS OF WILDLIFE, FLOODING, DRAINAGE IMPACTS, AND INTRODUCTION

OF MODERN ARCHITECTURE INTO THE AREA.

CPAC MEMBERS EXPLAINED THEIR BIGGEST CONCERN WAS THE REQUEST TO CHANGE THE ZONING FROM

AR2 TO AR1.

It was also shared that their preference from the CPAC

was to maintain the AR2 zoning designation

for the properties instead of the one acre lots,

which would have an actual built area less than one acre

due to setbacks, detention ponds, and street improvements.

Following that, the CPAC recommended

the Board of Supervisors denied the requested entitlements.

Following the CPAC meeting, the proposed project

was also reviewed by the DRAC on October 17th of 2024.

DRAC members stated that the site is relatively flat

and they did not see an issue with the proposed

development given that lot sizing and layout of the lots

are consistent with the surrounding area.

Therefore, DRAC recommended that the Board of Supervisors

find the project in substantial compliance

with design guidelines.

Lastly, the project was also heard by the Planning Commission

on November 3rd of last year.

A total of two members of the public spoke in opposition

to the project, citing concerns with increased density,

increased traffic, and drainage concerns.

One of the members of the public stated

that the property owner in the past

had illegally removed trees on site

and illegally burned trees.

In response, the applicant stated that

they did have a burning permit issued

by the Air Quality Management District

and has since submitted a copy of the burn permit

for the county's records and was included

as a late addition to your hearing packets.

Following the public comment portion period,

planning commissions recognized that

while the reason would increase the density for the site,

they felt that the request would be in line

with densities that are existing in the area today.

Commissioners also stated that there is a need

for more housing and that the proposal

would add additional housing opportunities.

The commissioners unanimously voted to recommend

the board approve the proposed project.

With that following staff's review,

it was determined that the proposed project

would be consistent with the general plan,

the community plan, and the zoning code as conditioned.

The project is compatible with surrounding zoning

and land uses and would be generating

new housing opportunities.

The environmental document concluded

there are no significant environmental concerns

to the preparation of a notice of exemption

and the project was supported by both track

and the planning commission.

Therefore planning environmental review staff recommends

the board of supervisors take the following actions.

Recognize the product is exempt

for the California Environmental Quality Act

pursuant to CEQA guidelines section 15183A,

public resources code section 21083.3,

Adopt the mitigation monitoring reporting program.

Approve a resolution authorizing an amendment

to the Orangeville Community Plan,

land use designation of 10 acres

for the project site from AR2 to AR1.

Approve an ordinance authorizing a reason of 10 acres

for a project site from AR2 to AR1.

Approve a tentative subdivision map.

Approve a special development permit

and approve an exemption from Title 22.24.630,

all subject to financing conditions,

as well as find the project in substantial compliance

with county guidelines or design guidelines

similarly subject to those findings and conditions.

With this, I'll conclude my presentation.

The applicant team is present and available

to answer any questions.

And as previously mentioned,

given we did have a number of public comments

regarding drainage constraints,

we do also have representation from DWR in attendance today.

Thank you.

Thank you, Christian.

There's no one in the queue with questions.

Are there any public comments?

We do have speakers signed up.

and people who wish to provide testimony on this item must be sworn.

So if you wish to address the board about this item, number 48, on the agenda,

please stand to be sworn.

And please raise your right hand.

And the appropriate response is I do.

Do you swear that the testimony you are about to give this board is the truth,

so help you God?

If you do not swear, do you so affirm?

I do.

And when you are at the podium, please state your name for the record and the statement, I have been sworn.

Thank you.

Our first speaker is Carol Schumacher.

Good morning, Carol.

Carol Schumacher, thank you.

Good morning, Carol.

Sorry, I'm a little pokey.

My name is Carol Shoemaker and I live directly across from this property.

I reject this rezoning proposal for several reasons.

This is contrary to Orangeville's plan and reality will not be close to one acre parcels.

The turnaround for Crown, retention ponds, streets, etc. will bring the lots down to a half acre or less.

There will be very little open ground left to absorb rain, car washing, watering

lawns, etc. The meeting a few weeks ago said traffic houses, 10 traffic

houses would not be bad for traffic, wouldn't be an issue. No consideration

was given to the 32 houses approved one block south on Filbert. Each house will

have at least two vehicles, increasing another 20 vehicles. ADUs are allowed and

could add another 20 vehicles. With 64 vehicles or more, one block down plus the

ADUs. You've added over a hundred vehicles on a street that is already

overwhelmed with existing traffic. Boebert provides access to four schools.

We currently have very little law enforcement and no enforcement of our

driving laws.

Orangeville environment is suffering

from all the loss of pastures and orchards.

I have lived on Filbert for 51 years.

Quails and pheasants used to be in my back pasture,

and you could hear the males crowing in the orchard.

The quails were the first advantage,

then the pheasants next.

The possum population is almost gone,

and they do a big service for us.

The skunks are slowly diminishing.

I don't miss them.

The coyote pack located at 6702 Filbert is gone.

I miss hearing the young pups learning to sing at night.

To many people, this may not seem important or of interest,

but it's good for your mental health.

Please do not approve this zoning change.

It is not good for the people living here or the environment.

And on my side of the street, I live on the west side.

Carol, your time is up.

Can you wrap it up?

I have two one-acres on this section of Filbert

to the south of me,

and everything going the other direction

is two acres or 14 acres.

The last house at Elm Avenue is a restricted property.

It's not even a full acre.

Thank you, Carol.

Thank you.

And we have no other speakers signed up for this item.

The other party who was going to attend and they did send stuff to everybody, had a bad car accident and they're unable to be here today.

Thank you, Carol.

I'm representing the applicant.

Yes.

Chair, or I'm sorry, clerk.

Does he need to be?

No.

Not as the applicant.

Okay.

All right.

Good morning, County Board of Supervisors.

My name is Michael Beller. I'm representing the property owner for the project at 6702 Filbert Avenue.

As Christian presented, this is a zoning adjustment for a 10-acre property from Agricultural Residential 2 to Agricultural Residential 1,

allowing one home per acre instead of one home per two acres, providing much-needed housing opportunities.

This development pattern already exists along Filbert Avenue and Crown Street and is consistent with the Orangeville Community Plan.

AGRICULTURAL RESIDENTIAL ONE MAINTAINS RURAL DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS INCLUDING DETACHED HOMES, LARGE SETBACKS, PRIVATE DRIVEWAYS, AND DOES NOT REPRESENT SERVANT ZONING, PRESERVING ORANGE DALE'S RURAL CHARACTER.

FOR ADDITIONAL CONTEXT, THIS PROPERTY OPERATED AS A FAMILY OWNED ORCHARD FOR OVER 100 YEARS.

SINCE OPERATION SEIZED IN 2017, THIS SITE HAS REMAINED VACANT AND UNUSED AND IS NO LONGER PRODUCTIVE ARRICULTURAL LAND.

THIS PROJECT WOULD REACTIVATE A LONG VACANT SITE TO DELIVER NEW HOUSING.

IT IS MODEST IN SCALE, LOW DENSITY, AND COMPATIBLE WITH THE SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOOD.

IN ADDITION TO AFTER THE CPAC, THE PROPERTY OWNER DID GATHER PETITIONS SIGNED BY 27 NEIGHBORING RESIDENTS ON CROWN STREET, FILBERT AVENUE, AND AREAS AROUND THE PROPERTY.

AND OVER 27 PETITIONS DEMONSTRATING THE LONG SUPPORT AND ALSO RECEIVED TWO ADDITIONAL PETITIONS IN SUPPORT DURING THIS WEEK.

AS STAFF OUTLINED, THE ENVIRONMENTAL REVIEW IDENTIFIED NO SIGNIFICANT IMPACTS AND TRAFFIC INCREASES ARE MINIMAL.

THIS PROJECT ALSO INCLUDES INFRASTRUCTURE IMPROVEMENTS AND ENHANCED SAFETY AND ACCESS ON CROWN STREET.

THIS IS A POLICY CONSISTENT PROJECT, BALANCES HOUSING PRIORITY WITH COMMUNITY CHARACTER.

IF YOU HAVE ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS ON THE PROJECT, WE'D LIKE TO DIRECT THAT TO COUNTY STAFF.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.

THANK YOU.

MAY I MAKE ONE COMMENT TO WHAT HE JUST SAID?

I'm sorry Carol.

I know.

But there were signatures that were taken that.

Carol, we need to move on.

So there is a question here.

That's okay.

I just want to give some feedback on this.

Oh, I do have Supervisor Hume in the queue to speak.

Thank you.

I have just a couple of questions on the item, if I may.

And I'll start maybe from the 30,000-foot level

and then come down to the actual project.

In looking at the zoning map that was included as attachment 1,

this parcel looks like a little pocket of AR2

that is surrounded by AR1,

AND IN FACT THE AREA IMMEDIATELY I'M ASSUMING THAT WOULD PROBABLY BE TO THE SOUTHEAST IS

RD3.

AM I TO ASSUME THEN THAT THAT PROPERTY COULD DEVELOP TO THREE HOUSES PER ACRE?

IT COULD ACTUALLY SO RD3 COULD DEVELOP A LOT DENSER RATE.

SO WHERE AR1 AND AR2 GO ONE DWELLING PER ONE ACRE OR ONE DWELLING PER TWO ACRES,

THE R.D. 3 I BELIEVE IS CLOSER TO THE MINIMUM LOT SIZES ARE CLOSER TO

LIKE 15,000 OR 10,000 SQUARE FEET OR 20,000 SQUARE FEET SO THEY COULD

DEVELOP A LOT DENSER THAN THAT PER ACRE.

OKAY.

BUT NONETHELESS I AM READING THAT CORRECTLY THAT THAT IS A MORE

URBAN RESIDENTIAL DENSITY THAN AN AR STANDARD.

THAT'S CORRECT.

OKAY.

AND THEN MY NEXT QUESTION IS A LITTLE FURTHER DOWN IN THE WEEDS

which I'm sometimes prone to do,

in looking at the tentative subdivision map,

please explain to me why we have that ridiculous

cul-de-sac bulb on lot six.

Yeah, so during the early stages of the project,

there was quite a bit of review with the applicant team

about potentially a connection from Crown Street

through to Filbert

and having the entirety stretch be full public.

However, if you notice from lot six, I don't know if we can get the image up, but from lot

six, in order to extend and have a road access all of the 10 parcels, you would have to elbow

north towards lot five from six and then across.

And that would take a significant portion of development on buildable area from lot six

away from the applicant.

And so in order to try and retain as much buildable area as possible, the applicant

PROVIDED THIS CULDESAC BULB

TURN AROUND AND IT WAS REVIEWED

BY SIPPS AND THEY STATED THAT

THIS WAS AN ADEQUATE WAY TO

COMPLETE A PUBLIC ROAD.

SO THEREFORE THIS IS HOW THE

APPLICANT LEFT THE PROPOSAL.

SO I UNDERSTAND THAT THE

CONNECTION THROUGH FROM CROWN

STREET OVER TO FILBERT WAS

PROBLEMATIC.

I GUESS I'M JUST WONDERING WHY

BOTHER TO DO THAT CULDESAC AT

ALL, WHY NOT HAVE LOT SIX ALSO

COME OFF OF THE PRIVATE STREET?

I MEAN, YOU'RE ESSENTIALLY

TAKING LOT SIX AND DIVIDING THAT

PARCEL INTO ONE BUILDABLE AREA

AND THEN A REMAINER AREA AROUND THE COLDESAK.

IT JUST DOESN'T MAKE SENSE TO ME FROM A LAND USE PERSPECTIVE.

YEAH, SO SINCE CROWN STREET IS A PUBLIC STREET, THERE IS ADEQUATE WAYS TO TERMINATE

THAT STREET.

PRIOR TO THIS DEVELOPMENT COMING THROUGH, THE DEMOLEMENT FOREHAND DIDN'T COMPLETE CROWN

STREET.

IT STAYED AS A SUB STREET, WHICH IS AN ADEQUATE ENOUGH WAY FOR SAC METRO FIRE TO GET IN AND

OUT OF THAT SITE.

SO THE PROPER WAY TO TERMINATE A PUBLIC STREET IN THIS CASE WOULD HAVE BEEN THE COLDESAK

AND THAT'S WHY THAT'S WHAT'S BEING PROPOSED.

IN THIS CASE, THE PUBLIC STREET

BECOMES FULLY COMPLETED AND YOU HAVE ACCESS FOR

EMERGENCY SERVICES TO PROPERLY BE ABLE TO TURN OUT

AND THEN BACK AROUND TO EXIT THE AREA IN EVENT OF

EMERGENCY.

OKAY.

WELL, I'M NOT GOING TO FALL ON THE SWORD,

BUT I JUST WANT TO NOTE THAT THIS IS A VERY INELEGANT

WAY TO BREAK THIS, TO SOLVE THIS PROBLEM.

THANK YOU.

OKAY.

I DO HAVE SOME COMMENTS ON THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT.

I first want to acknowledge the Orangevale CPAC

and the concerns of the residents.

Anytime there's growth, I take it very seriously

or if there's a change to a neighborhood.

But I believe that the one-acre lot honors the concerns

and acts as a buffer, and buffers tend to soften

the transition from high density.

This also prevents growth from pushing deeper

into Orangevale, so I just want to state

that I am supportive of this project.

And I will move to approve the recommended action.

Second.

All right.

Please vote.

This item passes unanimously 5-0.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Would the clerk please call the next item?

The next item on our agenda is number 49.

That is PLNP 2025-00172, the crafted canvas,

type 40 PCN. A letter of public convenience or necessity for a property located at 9906 Fair

Oaks Boulevard located 470 feet southwest of the intersection of Fair Oaks Boulevard and Sunrise

Boulevard in the Fair Oaks community. APN 244-0220-011-0000. Applicant Nicole Carson

and environmental determination not applicable.

Can we get the presentation up real quick?

Yeah.

Do we have the, I have a paper copy.

Do we have the presentation, Metro 14?

There we go.

Perfect.

Thank you.

There you go.

Good morning.

Good morning, Super Chair Rodriguez, I should say,

and the rest of the board members.

Irving Huerta right here with Associate Planner

and project manager for the Crafted Canvas project.

We'll go ahead and begin with a brief presentation.

So our first slide right here,

we're going to talk a little bit about the location,

setting, and community context.

The project site is located over at 9906 Fair Oaks Boulevard,

just approximately 470 feet southwest

of the intersection of Fair Oaks Boulevard

and Sunrise Boulevard within the Fair Oaks community.

The project setting, so it is an individual suite

located within a larger commercial slash retail building.

Zoning-wise, the project site is located

within the Fair Oaks Village Special Planning Area

and within the commercial district of that SPA.

Surrounding land uses, we do have existing commercial

residential slash retail uses over to the north, east and west of the project site.

Over to the south, we do have some existing single-family residential uses.

The request that's being brought forth today, this morning, for review is a request for a public

convenience and or necessity and that is for a type 40 abc license to sell beer at an arts and

crafts studio within the fair oaks village spa commercial district of the fair oaks community

i do want to go over a couple of things i do want to note that a type 40 license

is an on sale license that is an on sale for beer only the reason why the pcn is being brought forth

and requested in this manner for a Type 40 license

is because the establishment is not considered a food-serving locale.

Therefore, the license request is subject to the PCN requirements.

In the instance that if the establishment were to be considered food-serving,

then we wouldn't be here this morning.

Moving on to our one-mile radius map.

So this slide right here does include our standard one-mile radius maps that we tend to produce for PCN requests.

So it shows all of the off-sale licenses, sensitive uses such as vacant parcels, schools, and daycares, as well as locations of those off-sale licenses.

I do want to note that while it's not shown right here in this slide, attachment six,

page two of the board letter packet also shows a one mile radius map, but with the total

amount of on sale licenses within the one mile radius.

Just for context, if you were to look at that attachment six, page two, there is a total

of eight on-sale licenses located within that radius, all of which are a type 40 license,

and all of those licenses are for food serving establishments.

So I just do want to talk a little bit about this map up here.

Again, we do have some, the purple, what would be denoted in the purple right over here.

That's the project site itself.

And then we do have some vacant properties just north and south of the project site.

I believe they have to do with the intersection right here, that major intersection of Fair Oaks and Sunrise Boulevard.

And we also do have, again, some schools within the vicinity.

Those are denoted right here in the blue.

And then just other off-sale, again, establishments.

So off-sale, again, are the ones that tend to sell alcohol

for off-site consumption.

We do have, again, these three establishments right here,

which are a Type 21, beer, wine, and spirits.

And then we do have these two Type 20 licenses just

for beer and wine.

And again, those are just for off-sale.

So moving on to our site and floor plan right here.

So again, as I mentioned earlier, the arts and crafts studio is located within an existing

commercial slash retail building.

It is denoted, again, in this red outline right here.

Pretty standard for an arts and crafts studio.

We do tend to have our kind of like arts and crafts area located right over here.

I do want to note that the alcohol is going to be stored right here, denoted in that blue, right next to that service counter.

Moving on to our CPAC recommendation.

So the request was reviewed by the Fair Oaks CPAC back on November 5, 2025.

and they did recommend the approval of the request

to the Board of Supervisors.

That vote was a six yes, zero no.

Again, the intention of the Type 40 license,

according to the applicant, is that they're hoping

to offer in the future some sort of patent subsessions.

Essentially, kind of what that is is that members

of the public who would like to come in

and do kind of like an art session will be able

to essentially have an alcoholic beverage within that session.

It is my understanding that these sessions are going to be geared to the 21 and over

crowd in the near future.

At the CPAC meeting, we did not have any members of the public that were against the request

or spoke on the item.

Overall, the CPAC was supportive of the overall request, stating the need for tertiary spaces,

as well as to bring a new active use to the Fair Oaks Village.

Moving on to the project analysis.

So the census tract in which the project site's located at,

that's census tract 80.10,

does not currently have an over-concentration of on-sale liquor licenses.

The subject property is within a high-crime reporting district.

that's District 3. The sub area would be Old Fair Oaks. Staff has identified again, based off of the

one mile radius map, some sensitive uses within that one mile radius of the project site. The

Fair Oaks CPAC did recommend support for the PCN. We had no conditional objection from the Sheriff's

office. The PCN request, again, is for an on-sale license, not an off-sale license.

And again, I do want to note that we do have eight other existing on-sale license

establishments within that one-mile radius, all of which currently serve food.

With that, we'll go ahead and move on to our final slide, which is staff's recommendation.

So in accordance with the California Department of Alcoholic

Beverage Control and the ABC regulations,

staff presents the following requests for a letter of public convenience

or necessity with a recommendation for approval.

With that, that concludes the end of my presentation.

I'm available to answer any questions that you may have.

Additionally, we also do have our applicant in attendance,

and I believe they do have a presentation ready for you as well.

Thank you, Irving.

Supervisor Desmond?

Thank you, Madam Chair, and thank you, Irving, for the thorough presentation.

So just so I'm clear, the only reason this is even here before us is because it's designated as a high crime area,

yet the sheriff doesn't object to the project, correct?

Yeah, just to add on that a little bit.

So the Type 40 license that's being requested is, again, for this, it's just opened up a couple months ago.

Arts and Crafts Studio, because they're technically not serving food, they're subject to the PCN request.

So we have to review the license under the PCN requirements based off of our county code.

Okay.

Well, thank you.

And intuitively, to me, this is not a high crime area.

It's very interesting.

So I, Madam Chair, I move approval of the item.

I'm very appreciative of this new business coming into Fair Oaks.

You know, I'm not sure you need to speak.

That's certainly up to you.

But I wholeheartedly move approval of staff's recommendation.

Thank you.

And, Irwin, did you say that they have a presentation?

I believe they, yeah, they do have a quick presentation.

Okay.

I do have some questions for the applicant, too.

But I'll ask them after their presentation.

Yes, come on up.

Did you have a PowerPoint with your presentation?

I do.

I came overprepared.

Okay.

That's great.

Did you bring samples?

Of the art?

Of the beer?

I've only booked us for a few hours.

Okay.

Okay.

Yes, I do have a PowerPoint.

That's not it.

Yes, it's going to be for number 49.

the applicant's presentation. There you go. There it is.

Okay.

And hello and good morning. My name is Nicole Carson. I'm a small business owner, and I would

like to thank you for the opportunity to present on behalf of my business. And yes, a little

PowerPoint here. Let me move this up a little bit. So the Crafted Canvas, art studio and artisan

shop in Fair Oaks, California. We are a woman-owned, woman-run art studio and artisan shop. Our mission

is to enrich the local community with hands-on experiences and empower other local creatives

and small businesses in the area. We opened October 1st and are quickly becoming a creative

haven for the community. Our hours of operation are Tuesday through Thursday from 12 to 6.

on Fridays and Saturdays from 10 to 8 p.m.,

and then we are closed on Sundays and Mondays

with the exception of private parties,

company events, and things like that.

What we offer, so we offer art supplies

and boutique classes and workshops,

private parties and meetups,

and after-school enrichment programs for kids

and teen art hangout evenings.

The studio and shop experience.

So in the store, you will find art supplies, art kits, local art, my artwork as well.

We have baked goods, cookies, scones, muffins from a local bakery, coffee, sparkling water,

juices, kombuchas, things like that, and amongst other snack items as well.

During the day, patrons can come in.

They can grab a coffee and a cookie, grab some art supplies, maybe bring their sketchbook,

and then go and utilize our open studio space to create.

It is very much a welcoming space where you can come in and stay a while and create, hopefully.

Classes and workshops.

So in the afternoons, we offer on Tuesdays and Thursdays after school enrichment programs for two hours for ages 8 through 12.

And then we will have watercolor classes, craft nights for adults.

On the weekends, we have specialty workshops ranging from fresh wreath making, jewelry

making, macrame.

I mean, you name it, we probably do it.

And once again, of course, we do private celebrations, company parties, things like that.

Community impact.

So we have a large retired community around the area, and those are our main patrons,

especially in my watercolor crew weekly.

Also, we serve a lot of families and teens, adults,

so we get a little bit of everybody coming in.

I strongly believe that art and crafting, doing things in person,

strongly support our mental well-being and our community connection

and also our household connections.

In this day and age, we, and you know, I call this the great digital age of connection,

and we are more disconnected than ever, even within our households, even between parent

and child.

So this space that I created, I really want to foster that connection, putting the phone

down, doing things with our hands, and allowing art to bring us to the present moment.

Okay, so alcohol license intent.

Of course, when you hear paint and sip, you think wine.

However, I do not have the funds to open a commercial-grade kitchen, nor do I intend to be a cook.

However, I would like to offer some sort of paint and sip option for our adults in 21 and over for Fridays and Saturday evenings.

Hence, I did a pivot to a Type 40 on-sale beer.

I would like to partner with local breweries and also be able to offer that and support creative date nights and be appealing for those nights out.

Of course, these would be tailored to 21 and over events.

I have a question from Supervisor Serna.

Thank you, Madam Chair.

So I noted on that slide in particular the reference to responsible operations and then past slides you had a visual, you had a look like a minor was in the photo.

And I think in yet another slide you referenced teens.

Yes.

So I seconded the motion.

I'm still prepared to support the motion.

and forgive me to staff if it was referenced,

but I assume you will still continue to invite people of all ages, including minors.

Yes.

So what I didn't see on that slide is any intent to have very visible signage

that either reminds responsible parents and guardians that come with their minors

that they are not to be engaged in consumption of alcohol on the premises

and maybe even go a little bit further and kind of designate areas where

if people, adults are going to be engaging in the consumption,

is that going to be an appropriate place for minors to also share the space?

I don't pretend to be the be-all end-all to ABC protocols and regulations,

but it seems to me that you would at least want to have some reminders,

verbiage that's visible within the premises that reminds patrons,

minors are not to be associated or engaged in the consumption of alcohol.

Absolutely.

And, yeah, we are working closely with the ABC to follow all their rules and laws on that.

We will have visible signage.

We have two drink fridges, one of which is going to have all non-alcoholic beverages.

Both are actually keyed.

The other one is going to have our beer in there.

It is going to be on a key lock with only myself and our other managing member to have access to.

We are both RBS certified, and we are dedicated to providing responsible service.

However, yes, we do have minors present, and we do aim to be a family-friendly establishment.

Just like any other patients at places, there's Painted and Folsom, there's Pino's Palette out in Elk Grove.

They do offer actually a full alcohol service.

However, they do offer food options as well.

so in this establishment yes there will be food pre-packaged foods such as you know muffins and

cookies and other snacks like that however we're not offering pizza and you know hot prepared foods

on site but yes there will absolutely be signage and generally speaking during the days we're not

going to be offering alcohol service so during the day when you are coming in to shop and utilize the

creative space, that is not an option. I do not intend to operate as a bar or anything like that.

These events where the beer will be offered will be for our paint and sip events, and it will

actually be marked as so, like paint and sip 21 and over for Friday evenings. And then even now,

I will have posted on my website family-friendly paint nights.

Okay, so thank you for that.

That's very important to me understanding, if I heard you correctly, that you'll take that extra step that separates the alcohol consumption 21 and older events from other daytime events where you would expect or actively invite minors to come with their legal guardians.

Absolutely.

Okay, very good.

Absolutely, and I take it very seriously.

I have two children. And, you know, and I was mentioning my teen art hangouts. You know,

that's also a thing that we have, and we will have three staff present. I do not intend to have,

you know, a whole backdrop of beer and beer promotion. It is going to be something that

is on the side as just an enhancement, let's say, for date night coming out, you know, with your

partner to come and, you know. Date night where you need a little liquid courage.

Exactly. Exactly. And, you know, generally speaking, our patrons are so into the craft that they're doing, they're forgetting to even sip their coffee. Okay. They are very hands on. So, yeah, generally they'll grab a little snack. Maybe they'll grab the thing that sells the best is actually my Olipops. Those are very popular.

So, yeah, I do view it as just an enhancement.

And I did apply for this liquor license when I was scheduled to open.

I had no idea so many people would be coming in and frequenting and completely fine without as well.

Thank you.

Thank you.

I have some questions, but I'll wait for your presentation to finish.

Okay.

All right.

So, almost done.

Compliance and training.

So the Crafted Canvas is not a bar and does not operate as nightlife.

That being said, we're not going to be open past 9 p.m.

Our events typically last two to three hours, with patrons leaving shortly after.

There will be no open-ended services after the event.

Let's say somebody is, oh, can I have a beer and sit around and hang out?

That is not an option.

Beer purchases will happen before the event begins.

There will be a staff member always behind the service counter right next to where the beer is stored, also locked as well.

And as Irving showed before, the studio portion, the space is kind of like an L shape, right?

So there's a studio teaching portion, and then there is like a little lounge area where the service counter is, and then the little store.

And then once again, primary focus remains on art, education, and community enrichment.

Alcohol is just an enhancement on the side.

ID verification required for all alcohol service.

We also do have our food handler certificate.

However, we are not going to be serving in glass or anything like that.

It will be canned beer with the option of a plastic cup if somebody chooses.

So very fancy stuff.

And this is our team.

So Nicole Carson, it is me, local mom, founder and artist, and Raina Warman is a new addition

marketing manager artist.

Both of us are RBS certified.

These are the faces you will see when you walk through the doors.

Once again, just driving in this digital age of disconnection and how much we need spaces

like this.

And here's just some photos that I wanted to show you guys.

This is one of our drink fridges here.

They are both small, a very small footprint.

As you see, Izzy's, Fiji water.

We also have regular water available free on the site for anybody to take.

We have cookies, prepackaged cookies, as you see there.

There's a photo of our service counter.

You can see other snacks, granola bars, chips, things like that.

So that's the general aesthetic of the space.

Here you see already hands out work, fiber arts.

We have the watercolor, the paint nights.

This is kind of what our paint night setup looks.

I do not jam pack 40 plus people in the room for these paint nights.

Generally speaking, we have smaller crowds.

You can see anywhere from four people to maximum about 20 in there.

Also, one thing I will say about the, because I have been talking about how I have applied

for my alcohol license.

There are some community members that have brought up to me

that they actually like that I don't offer alcohol

because maybe some people do struggle with alcohol problems

and things like that.

And one thing that I am also going to be doing

is offering dry classes.

So it can be a paint and non-alcoholic sip for adults

to cater to those who don't want to be around it.

So I very much want to work with the community

and be an accessible location for that,

knowing that, yes, alcohol is a primary focus

in a lot of establishments,

especially in the entertainment arts.

Last little snippet.

Look how cute of things we do in the studio.

So these are some of the paint nights,

mandala dot art, collage nights, things like that.

That's kind of what the artwork looks like.

And thank you for allowing me to speak.

Thank you, Nicole.

And congratulations on opening up your business.

And thank you for doing business in Sacramento County.

I've always enjoyed when people take ideas and dreams and make them into a business.

And so congratulations.

I do have a question.

So I've been to several of these throughout, I don't know, the past 20 years.

And we were able to take, basically bring your own alcohol.

Is that currently not an option for you?

where people can bring alcohol but not purchased at your business?

It is not an option.

So I've been talking with the ABC,

and they are saying that it is not allowed in the state of California to do it.

And I don't know how it is in other areas,

but in Sacramento County, it is not allowed.

It is not allowed primarily too because if there are minors present, right?

so if you are

if you are offering alcohol

you have to have an alcohol license

the only

the only way that this can happen

is if there is a non-profit

that is running a fundraiser

they hold their own alcohol

license for the day which

that county sheriff signs off on

correct and

the other questions were around

IDing people and over 21

and it sounds like

It sounds like you will not sell alcohol outside of your paint and sips.

Yeah, no.

There will be certain craft nights, too, where we offer, like, a craft and sip or things like that.

So, same thing.

But we will have a very visible signage in front at the counter, too.

We ID anyone.

Thank you.

I do have Supervisor Desmond in the queue.

Thank you, Madam Chair.

Well, Nicole, thank you for the presentation.

As the supervisor represents Fair Oaks.

Yay.

I welcome you.

My office is here to support you.

And I hope I'll see you at Fair Oaks Chamber of Commerce events, including one on Thursday.

You have a very vibrant chamber in Fair Oaks that I'm heavily involved with.

So thank you very much.

And I look forward to doing some painting and sipping with Supervisor Hume.

Yay.

Thank you very much.

Are there any requests to speak?

We have no speakers requested for this item.

All right.

All right.

Thank you very much.

Thank you.

I'll bring it back for deliberation or motion.

We have one.

Oh, yeah.

Okay.

Please vote.

This item passes unanimously, 5-0.

All right.

Will the clerk please call the next item?

Next item is number 50, PONP 2024-00068, Aspen 8 and 9 mine expansion,

a use permit to allow mining on an additional 245.6 acres and a 15-year time extension,

a reclamation plan amendment to include expanding mine areas,

and a development amendment for properties located on both sides of Elder Creek Road,

approximately 4,000 feet east of Bradshaw Road,

an Elder Creek Road intersection in the vineyard community.

Applicant, TechArt Materials, APN 063-0180-005-006.

063-0190-014-015-021-027-028-029, 066-0020-006, 066-0050-003, 066-0030-001,

Environmental Determination Supplemental Environmental Impact Report.

Good morning.

Awesome.

Good morning Chair Rodriguez and members of the board.

My name is Young Choi, project manager for Aspen 8 and 9,

use permit amendment and thank you Todd for introduction

of this item.

This is located on Elder Creek on both sides,

about 4,000 feet east of Bradshaw Road and Jackson Road.

Are we able to get a presentation on?

Yes.

Item number 50.

And the subject parcel is currently zoned at agricultural

and also has a combining zone of surface mining.

And surrounding this land use,

we have also agricultural and industrial uses

around both north, south, east, and west as well.

I'll just wait a little bit so I could just show you

the zoning as it pops up.

But while we wait for that,

I do wanna provide some entitlement history of this site.

It's the other item, the Aspen 8 and 9, Todd, please.

Thank you.

So this item was actually heard by the board of supervisor

back in 2016, PLMP 2014-00210

to allow surface mining in about 353 acre

out of the 683 acre parcel.

In addition to the use permit in 2016,

the board granted a rezone to add the surface mining,

the SM combining zone to entire 682 acres

of existing IR, Ag 80, and Ag 60 zone parcels.

along with that request in 2016 the reclamation plan was approved with the end open use of an open space grassland and a development agreement between the applicant and the county of sacramento

so with the history i do want to provide the request before you today the request entitlement is the the use permit amendment to the previous entitlement plmp 2014 00201

to allow expansion of the surface mining

on an eight additional parcel

and 15 additional years of mining

with additional two years of reclamation.

In addition to that,

there will be an amendment to the reclamation plan

to include these expanded area

into the reclamation plan.

The reclamation plan will still keep

the same end use of grassland.

And finally, a development agreement

between the applicant and the county of Sacramento

to also reflect the updated project description

and the updated parcel area.

We're getting that presentation up in just a second here.

Awesome.

I did wanted to show you the site plan

and show you where the areas are,

but I do want to give you a little bit more project description

since we have a little bit more time here.

The mines that I'm being mined from this site

are usually an aggregate that are being used

for either road base or for construction bases.

Now that we have presentation,

I wanted to quickly show you the zoning nearby.

You can see that to the north are industrial,

which is a prior mining area,

and south, east, and west is agriculture industrial.

Actually, I wanted to show you the photos

that were taken about a few months ago

when we did an inspection of the site of Aspen 8.

This is the site plan.

you can see that it's bisected by Elder Creek Road.

To the north of Elder Creek Road,

we have the Aspen 8 mining site,

and to the northwest of that,

we have the Aspen 8 expansion area.

And to south of Elder Creek Road,

we have the Aspen 9,

and to the south of Elder Creek,

that is the Aspen 9 expansion area.

This is showing the final slope elevation

of Aspen 8 expansion,

and this one's showing an Aspen 9 expansion.

So this project is to expand about 63 acres to Aspen 8, which is the north corner, and

about 182 acres to the Aspen 9, which is south of Elder Creek.

The applicant will be utilizing an extension of the conveyor belt to the south of Elder

Creek to get to the Aspen 9 site.

And this conveyor belt gets connected to Aspen 4 site, which you will be hearing later

this presentation.

With that, the extension of the mining term will expire on December 31st of 2046, and

the reclamation will complete by 2048.

The reclamation end use is still consistent with the prior approved, which is the grassland

and agricultural use.

The development agreement is being amended to include the expansion site and to update

the project description.

The applicant will continue to participate in the cents per ton

So this is outlined in our development agreements that

every tons of material that gets sold they do donate per cent to

funding.

And the TICOR has chosen American River Parkway as their foundation

to donate the cents per ton program.

And we do have an applicant, sorry, representative from

American Parkway if you do have any questions regarding this

program.

With that, an inventory review, the

supplement to EIR was proposed to the

previously certified EIR.

This provides an updated analysis

and incorporates technical changes in

addition to the prior EIR.

They concluded that there are some

impacts that are significant and

unavoidable, however, these impacts

are also consistent with the prior

EIR findings.

With that being said, the most

impacts are less than significant

with mitigation measures

incorporated.

The public review of this document began in August,

concluded in October.

Two comments were received and has been incorporated

into the final EIR, final supplemental EIR.

The three items that are significant and unavailable

are aesthetics, agriculture, and air quality.

As I mentioned, these impacts are consistent

with the prior findings of EIR.

I do want to note for the agriculture,

due to the recent law case that determined

that one-to-one preservation of mitigation

that the mitigation is not mitigate for the loss of

finite resource land that's why we as she concluded that this

is significant unavoidable. And we do have an update on air

quality even though this is significant unavoidable with

the updated efficiency of the material and usage of the

conveyor belt. It would actually reduce a little bit of

the criteria air pollutants. With that said, mitigation

proposed biological resource, cultural resource, geologic and soils and mineral resources,

hazard and hazardous materials, noise, tribal culture resource, and with the mitigation

incorporated above impacts will be less than significant.

Planning commission met on October 20th and provided a recommendation of approval of a

project, a proposed project.

Same with the vineyard seed pack that met in July 10th as well that recommended approval

of the proposed project.

With that, the applicant is requesting a use permit amendment,

reclamation plan amendment, and development agreement,

development agreement amendment.

And the proposed project is consistent

with our general plan and community plan.

The project has been supported by CPAC

and the planning commission.

And the supplement EIR prepared for this project

provides updated analysis where it required

and incorporates technical changes

in addition to the prior EIR.

With that, staff is recommending that the board

make the following adoption action.

To adopt the resolution certifying the final

environmental impact report as adequate and complete,

adopting CEQA findings of fact and statement

of overriding consideration, and adopting the mitigation

monitoring and reporting program.

And to approve the use permanent amendment,

reclamation plan amendment, and the first amendment

to the development agreement subject to the findings

and findings and conditions.

This does conclude the staff's presentation.

Our staff as well as the planning staff

is available to answer any questions,

as well as the applicant team is here

to answer any questions as well.

Thank you.

Thank you, Yang.

I don't have any requests to speak with the supervisors.

Are there any public comments?

We have no request to speak on this item.

Okay.

Let's set.

But the applicant is here.

Okay, so we have a-

I withdraw my second.

We have a motion and a second.

Please vote.

This item passes 5-0.

All right, will the clerk please call the next item?

Oh, am I missing something?

The next item is number 51, PLNP 2025-00071.

This is the Aspen 4 use permit amendment, UPB amend.

a use permit amendment to prior use permit 04-0230 to extend the term of use permit and

reclamation plan for a property located at 4820 Bradshaw Road at the northwest intersection of

Jackson Road and Bradshaw Road in the Cordova community. Applicant TechArt materials APN 063-0030-008-009-010-016

and dash 017. Environmental determination exempt. Good morning. If I may just real quickly given that this item was predicated on the approval of the previous item I would waive presentation and move directly to public comment in a subsequent motion.

Okay.

Thank you. Thank you.

And we have no public speakers on this item.

Okay.

Was that a motion?

It was.

Yep.

So we have a motion and a second.

All right, please vote.

That item passes unanimously 5-0.

All right, will the clerk please call the next item.

While he does that, Madam Chair, through the chair.

And we know, Todd, that you're new to Sacramento,

to Sacramento it's Teichert. Thank you very much.

Next item on our agenda is number 52, infill program workshop.

Good morning, Jessie. Hi. Good morning, Chair Rodriguez and board members. All

All right, okay.

Jessie Shen, your infill coordinator with Planning and Environmental Review,

here to provide an update on the infill program and preview upcoming priorities.

All right.

So revitalizing the county's commercial corridors is one of four distinct growth management strategies of the general plan,

estimated to result up to 21,000 additional housing units.

This proactive growth strategy was recognized to require significant investments in the county resources

and initial investments were made to the program.

Between 2007 and 2012, the infill coordinator position was filled,

an infill strategy was approved, and three corridor plans were adopted.

However, shortly after, the program was discontinued due to the Great Recession.

In recent years, there's been renewed interest in commercial corridor planning,

which began at the 2023 board retreat with insight provided from a panel of infill developers.

In 2024, the board directed policy considerations to streamline housing production and accelerate

infill development and supported the reestablishment of the infill coordinator position to oversee

the program.

Resources were committed by the board in the last two budget cycles in the form of professional

services funding and reallocating a position from development services to the infill coordinator

position.

The infill coordinator position was filled in June of 2025 and we began to define this

renewed program's purpose, goals, organizational alignment, and develop a work plan of initiatives

that builds on past efforts to launch new strategies in the corridors. Oops, I went the wrong way.

The purpose of the INFIL program is to address policy-related financial or infrastructure

barriers that impact development in the county's commercial corridors. By removing said barriers,

the goal is to celebrate housing and other development opportunities in our corridors,

and the manifestation of the program's success is livable and walkable neighborhoods that meets

a community's needs. All right. Last fall, we launched our infield developer council,

recruiting professionals in the infield developer and building industry. This council will serve

as a sounding board for prioritizing commercial corridor actions and upcoming program initiatives.

To date, we have over 20 members on the Council.

We're also teeing up our commercial corridor opportunities and constraints analysis,

which involves preliminary assessments of limitations, opportunities,

and development interests in each of the corridors.

This effort will heavily engage the infield developer council

and complement economic development's commercial corridor revitalization strategy.

We're looking to engage the Board later this year to discuss corridor prioritization

and initiatives to undertake within. This discussion will set the prioritization of

the work plan for the program for upcoming years beginning in fiscal year 26-27.

We're also knee deep in the housing and infill zoning code amendments which will implement the

board's directive from June 2024 to streamline housing production and accelerate infill development.

Proposed amendments include revising multifamily and non-residential development standards,

eliminating use permit requirements for multi-family projects, and exploring neighborhood-scale multi-unit buildings in single-family zones.

And lastly, the board initiated the specific plan process for North Watt Avenue last November,

which aims to address key barriers to development in the corridor, including infrastructure constraints.

This current iteration of the infill program is still in its infancy and requires resources to be successful.

The program has one allocated staff and our current initiatives utilize inline planners across planning's other sections.

Staff in those sections have primary duties of processing applications, preparing environmental documents, and providing public information in addition to implementing major process and Nacella improvements.

The general plan anticipated up to 21,000 additional housing units in the commercial corridors, and that has not materialized in part because of insufficient resources allocated to the program.

program. Without additional investments, the county risks continue having ambitious goals

for reinvestment in the corridors without the tools to achieve those goals. We're setting

the stage to embark on new strategies to revitalize assets in the corridors, and we're coming

to the board today to respectfully request your consideration to allocate resources to

the infill program during the upcoming budget cycle. Thank you. Thank you, Jesse. Okay,

I don't have any, oh, I do now.

Supervisor Desmond.

Thank you, Madam Chair, and thank you, Jesse.

I'm so happy that you're here in this position

with this focus because it's an incredibly important one.

And I guess my first question is

what exactly are you asking for us today?

What specificity?

Or just feedback.

Yeah, Todd Smith, Planning Director.

Thank you, Supervisor Desmond, for the question.

And really what we're trying to do today is obviously set the stage for what we're doing right now and where we're heading with this program.

We see a lot of opportunity in the infill corridors, the commercial corridors of unincorporated Sacramento County for housing production, some continued and ongoing investment in those corridors.

Any feedback that the board has, any ideas that the board has that we haven't previously heard, we want to hear from you.

As Jesse mentioned, we are engaging with the Infill Developer Council, doing a lot of research

around what are either the infrastructure constraints, market constraints, regulatory

constraints.

We're really trying to tee this up to come back in July after the break to have a more

focused conversation on prioritization.

But any feedback you have now, today, or in conversations to come would be very, very

helpful.

Okay, great.

Well, thank you.

So I have a few thoughts and just ideas.

And I know it's important to really prioritize

because you've drilled into me several times

that, hey, we can't be all things to all people.

We can't be doing everything in the county all at once.

In terms of the zoning amendments

to help create conditions

where we're going to get these walkable

and livable communities

where people have housing of all different types

along these corridors,

are we going to pay any consideration

for how we treat maybe other uses that aren't necessarily consistent with that.

And I'll just be upfront with it.

I think there are a lot of applications we see in some of the commercial corridors

that are kind of fragmented, like, say, a mini storage application or something

that is really not consistent, I think, with that goal along the corridors

that we're going to prioritize.

Will there be any limitations or preferences for any kinds of uses

that we identify as more of a highest and best use for one of these corridors

that's consistent with a walkable and livable community.

That's great you bring that up because in the general plan,

there are policies and goals that speak to the best and highest uses

in the commercial corridors, and industrial uses like mini storage are not one of them.

So as part of the zoning code amendments,

we will be looking at prohibiting certain uses

that are not conducted to that type of best and highest use.

We really want our corridors to be aimed at residential development

and then uses that support that.

Okay, great.

And then the other thing, something that I think is related to this, that we've discussed, brought up from the dais, I know staff is working on it.

We've had several subsequent discussions about some kind of vacant property registration ordinance.

I think that would actually help further the objectives of this effort by, look, let's identify these properties in these commercial corridors, these ones that we've prioritized, and ones that are inherent problems.

PROBLEMS, WE HAVE TO PLACE A LARGER ONUS, I THINK, ON THESE

PROPERTY OWNERS TO MAKE SURE THEY'RE DOING WHAT THEY NEED TO DO TO

MAINTAIN THEIR PROPERTIES AND DON'T BECOME A DRAG ON THESE, YOU

KNOW, COMMERCIAL CORPORATURES THAT WE'RE TRYING TO IMPROVE.

BUT SO THERE'S JUST A FEW THOUGHTS THAT I HAVE.

I DON'T KNOW IF ANY OF THAT'S HELPFUL.

BUT THANK YOU, JESSE.

SUPERVISOR KENNEDY.

THANK YOU, CHAIR.

JESSE, THANK YOU.

THE DEVELOPMENT, SORRY, THE INFIL DEVELOPER

Council. Who is that? That is our council that we'll be running. They consist of professionals

in the infill developer and builder industry. When we met back in November, you had provided some

folks to reach out to, and we did. We'll be running our initiatives by them, helping with

the corridor prioritization, hearing really, like, is there a market interest in these corridors?

What do you think if the county tackled would spur more development to come in? Things like that.

They're also being engaged as part of our housing and infill zoning code amendments.

So last week we just reached out to them and asked them, hey, what are the problem issues

that you're seeing with our development standards?

And if we're not doing it right, what other jurisdictions are doing it right so that we

can take a look at those?

Thank you, Jessie.

All right answers, by the way.

Appreciate that.

The next question is, as Todd brought up, well, you asked for what areas that were of interest in Todd brought up, infrastructure constraints.

And I think that if you talk to your council and you talk to most people out there who are trying to do these projects, particularly smaller developers, which these tend to be, infrastructure is the issue.

So what I'm hoping is that I applaud our efforts to change our zoning codes and even the general plan in ways that will more accommodate infill.

But that's not going to be enough.

And I hope that you, let me say your department slash you, will, you know, actively engage in looking at opportunities to help find resources and funding specifically for infrastructure, which is often the difference between whether or not a project like this gets done or not.

Yeah.

I hear you on that one.

Thank you.

If I may, Dave DeFonte, Deputy County Executive, you're speaking my love language now because this is something that I think we've, over the years, done a very good job of looking at general plan changes, zoning changes, et cetera.

We haven't really got to that next level as often as we should have to get to infrastructure constraints, but also not just identifying those constraints, but putting plans in place to address them, right?

financing programs, fee programs, et cetera. And that's really, I think, the difference with

Jessie now at the helm is that type of focus that we really haven't had before. So the way I like to

describe Jessie's position, hopefully she agrees with this, is, you know, I think she sort of wraps

up the traditional planner role, but is more than that in that I view her as sort of our internal

developer, looking at these corridors through the eyes of a developer and seeing, is this somewhere

that you'd invest if you had money to put into the ground somewhere is this an area you'd do it

so I appreciate her view from that perspective and also working with the infill developer council

which is you know frankly volunteers right that have expertise that have been very helpful and

we expect a lot from moving forward to help us keep and keep that eye on buildability right

because all the best plans in place if nobody's willing to invest and actually pull the trigger

on building something, it's kind of for not, right?

So that really is the focus here.

And I appreciate that.

You know, even if you look down the Stockton Boulevard corridor

is a good example of massive lots that just sit, follow, and empty

or not with other things, you know, moving into them.

I can't tell you, I probably had a dozen developers come to me

over the years and say, I really want to build on this lot

along Stockton Corridor. I want to put housing in here, but I just can't make it pencil. I just

need a little bit of help with infrastructure or some other costs. Is there anything you can do?

And my answer is always call Jerry Brown because I can't and I don't have those tools anymore. So

I guess what I'm asking for is that we really put an emphasis on that creativity to try to find

those types of resources that might be out there available that, you know, some of these,

particularly the smaller developers just don't have the resources or the the

wherewithal to know to where to go get those thank you there's one more thing to

add real quick on the infrastructure constraints I I'm not Siobhan but your

screens may show you show you that Todd Smith again a couple of examples that

illustrate to me the thing that we're talking about as it relates to

partnering with special districts and perhaps I know in the last couple of

years we've done a couple of these exercises where one in the north part of the county we

partnered with Sac Suburban Water District. We went after a California Pollution Reaction Grant.

We were not successful but we were asking for about $10 million to help upgrade the water

supply infrastructure up in a portion of Sac Suburban's area. A more successful story though

is on Stockton Boulevard. I think the board knows we went after Green Means Go funds. We've got

We were successfully awarded, I think, over $2 million to fund.

About three.

About three.

Off-site infrastructure for specifically an affordable housing project.

We plan to replicate those exercises moving forward.

Supervisor Hume.

Thank you, Chair.

First of all, I just want to lift up the comments of my colleagues and how important that is.

One, Supervisor Kennedy and what you were just talking about with respect to the built environment.

I mean, that is the biggest hurdle.

That's the toughest nut to crack.

It's expensive.

It involves other agencies.

I mean, the whole, everything that can make that challenging is going to present itself

every time we go through this.

And then the other thing that Supervisor Desmond brought up is along the way, there's going

to be a lot of political will that's going to have to get exercised because the low-hanging

fruit is going to be like, well, they're coming forward to do some investment.

That's better than nothing.

But this is a use that then now fit 10, 15, 20 years down the road.

we're going to have to, you know, come back and spin it out again.

So, you know, commit to that work.

But then with respect to the question that's before us today,

I support the use of resources for the position and the administrative support in order to do the work.

And I think that as we've been talking about, the work is not just what's designated on paper,

which is great, you know, best laid plans and all that,

but it's also tamping down some of those barriers and hurdles and things that we can anticipate,

doing the SWOT analyses of what happens when somebody really comes forward waving a little

bit of money in the air and they have the ideas of what they're going to do.

And one of the important things that I think is critical in that work is going to be outreach.

Because the nimbyism is going to be real.

Because for a lot of this stuff to actually pencil, to actually come forward, it's going

to be vertical.

And it's going to be a change in the literal landscape that people are prone to be resistant

toward.

And then the last thing that I'll say is this, at the end of all this processes, once we bless the ideas, the actual process itself needs to be fast, cheap, and easy.

and it may be a situation of pick two,

but nonetheless, that needs to be what's out in front of us

is we have to make it so that the skids are greased

and folks can come in with as little brain damage as possible

because as we all know, you go out

and you grab the greenfield piece of dirt

that can get entitlements easily,

that is so much more tried and true

for the folks back in Wall Street

to where all of this is just ROI to them.

They don't care about the community.

They don't care about the reinvestment.

they care about is this going to bring back the dollars that we're committing to it. So I think

it's good work and I think it's going to be a long road to get to the end product, but I hope that

once we get there, we have made things as, you know, easy and fruitful as possible. So thank you.

Supervisor Srdan. Thank you, Chair. So I wasn't planning to say too much, but since

Todd Smith opened up the floor with,

hey, this is really about sharing all your ideas today.

I'm like, all right, fine.

So I guess what I want to ask,

I'll tee it up as a question,

is when is infill considered infill?

When is a property considered infill?

I'm trying to harken back to when did this board

say definitively infill is just going to be restricted to corridors. We know that development

just doesn't happen, and I'm not suggesting that it shouldn't be a priority. I'm just saying I

think there's probably more infill opportunities and infill priorities in addition to those that

exist in our commercial corridors. I would also challenge the, I think, misconception,

that's my opinion, that infill is restricted by scale.

So I think for me, the definition of infill is probably maybe broader than some others,

but it has to do with the geography involved in terms of surrounding uses.

It certainly has to do with the availability of infrastructure.

No doubt about that.

but I've seen way too many infill programs

that have been conceived of and implemented

in other jurisdictions that I think are very,

very limited by scale.

And to me, it's a bit disingenuous,

especially when you do have those opportunities

that maybe some would say, well, that's Greenfield.

It's like, okay, well, maybe it's not a current land use that was previously urbanized,

but it's surrounded by urbanized land.

So I would challenge that precept, and I would say that the conclusion of our finished infill program,

today we're talking about a roadmap,

I would suggest that it be much more broadly welcoming

in terms of opportunities and not be limited by scale.

Certainly I think we have to have some kind of agreed upon

list of criteria to help us collectively conclude that,

okay, this is an infill opportunity.

but I think putting restrictions on us and the public

and the development community by saying it only exists

in a corridor archetype and it only exists

when you have particular densities surrounding,

it only exists if you have certain types

of political will that is behind it traditionally,

I think we've tied one hand behind our back.

So I would challenge staff to think carefully

about what scale means in terms of infill opportunities

and how do we exploit that in a good way.

And if I may, Dave DeFonte again,

point extremely well taken.

I think we're operating this program on a couple of levels

whereby, for example, the zoning code amendments, I think,

will help with infill much more broadly.

But at some point, you know, and I was heavily involved back in the day

through the general plan amendment where we identified these corridors,

these specific corridor boundaries on the general plan land use diagram.

And we have 14, I think it's grown to 15 since then.

And, you know, to Supervisor Desmond's point earlier,

if we're going to really focus and really, you know,

maybe even start investing either by way of county dollars and or going after grants.

Part of our plan is to, you know, come back to the board and have a discussion about, you know,

what corridor or two or three, whatever the right number is, do we really want to heavily focus on?

So we do want to facilitate infill development much better more broadly by way of the zoning code amendments and other tools,

but then also see what the board's appetite is to really focus in on a couple of areas to go, frankly,

more all in, right?

Again, by way of either county dollars or others.

We can't do things like

infrastructure plans and fee programs

for the entire unincorporated area

all at once, but we do,

our suggestion will be to

sort of focus those efforts

in particular locations

while not ignoring the rest of

the infill opportunity across the

unincorporated area, if that makes sense.

Yes.

Jesse, when your position

got filled, it was very exciting because I'm a big fan of infill. I think that when we look at

opportunities for housing and businesses, I think, and especially when they're on those busy corridors,

it allows us to be able to work with transit and get people in and out of these areas. But I do,

I do have a couple of questions. I've been, I've had community meetings in areas that I think have

opportunities for infill. Do you work with communities in terms of what maybe some ideas

that the community may have about what they're looking for as far as corridors and specific

needs? Yeah, so as part of the commercial corridor opportunities and constraints analysis, we will

be outreaching to PBIDs, Chambers of Commerce's, business watches. Those are like the fundamentals

of the community, right?

And so getting their input on,

hey, where do you see opportunities?

What do you think would make it safer

for businesses to come through?

Those are the questions we'll be posing to them.

And then the other question is,

I was on Watt Avenue this past weekend,

and you see these big lots

that are just empty lots, fenced up.

You know, it's not good for communities

because it just doesn't, you know,

it becomes very unattractive. Do you reach out to these landowners as far as opportunities for

development? Is that part of the process? It will be part of the process. So specifically with

NorthWatt, we do have developers that we're in touch with that own or have a stake in vacant

properties of a substantial size. I'm talking about like 10 acres or so. We're helping them

through the development process. But as part of the commercial corridor opportunities and

constraints analysis, we're asking infill developers, where are your opportunity sites?

Where do you have sites that you want to develop?

And then we're going to test feasibility on those sites with them and workshop through that.

Very good.

All right.

So do you have all the information you need from us?

I think so.

Yeah.

Okay.

Okay.

Thank you, Jesse.

Thank you.

All right.

Will the clerk please call the next item?

That's it for the afternoon.

Okay.

SO WE WILL NOW BREAK FOR THE MORNING AND GO TO CLOSE SESSION.

WE WILL NOW RESUME THE SUCCAMMENTO COUNTY BOARD OF SUPERVISORS MEETING.

will the clerk please take role to reestablish a quorum?

Supervisor Kennedy.

Here.

Supervisor Desmond.

Here.

Supervisor Hume, absent at the moment.

Supervisor Serna, absent at the moment.

And Chair Rodriguez.

Here.

We have a quorum.

Will the clerk please call the next item?

The next item on our agenda is the 2 o'clock timed item,

number 53, resolution of necessity authorizing eminent domain actions to acquire real property

interests for the Powerline Road Phase 2 improvement project with an estimated project

construction cost of $6,400,000. Sub 1, Nietzsche, Nevada, or NV, a Netherlands Antilles Corporation

located at Zero Powerline Road, APN 201-1020-059,

environmental document addendum to the Metropolitan Airport

vicinity, special plan area, general plan amendment,

and rezone.

Before we continue, we do have a request to speak

from David Villanueva.

Supervisor, I was just going to remind you

that this item takes a four-fifths vote,

but now that you have four, I think you're good to go.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Excellent.

Thank you.

Good afternoon, Chair Rodriguez and Vice Chair Hume and all members of the board.

I'm Peter Hannon, Program Manager with the Acquisition Section of our Real Estate Division,

and I'm here today to introduce this item, which recommends board approval for one resolution of necessity,

authorizing an eminent domain action to acquire real property interest for the Department of Transportation's Powerline Road Phase II project.

The proposed project is in the final phase on Powerline Road with Metro Air Park special planning area.

This project will widen Powerline Road from Alba Drive to Elverta Road

and will also widen Elverta Road from Powerline Road to 1,400 feet west of Metro Air Parkway.

Powerline Road and Elverta Road will become two-lane collectors with a center turn lane.

Of the three necessary acquisitions for this project, one, again, property is the subject of this board's item.

At this time, I'd like to display attachment three to this Ron hearing.

This is the list of properties, again, just one property.

the individual property easements required

and the corresponding easement areas

are displayed in square feet here on our exhibit.

The real property interest for the county seeks to acquire

consists of an easement for public roadway

and public utilities,

an easement for public utilities and public facilities,

and an easement for public utilities.

The county obtained an appraisal

for the affected property from an independent appraiser

and presented an offer to the property owner, Nietzsche N.V.,

for the purchase of the easements displayed here on Attachment 3.

The county negotiations with this owner have reached impasse

due to the owner's current forfeited corporate status with the state of California.

The owner has been cooperatively working with the county

and is in the process of reforming their corporate entity.

Currently though until that is resolved the county is unable to secure the necessary property interest on the subject property under the current circumstances.

Today's resolution necessity and anticipated eminent domain action will provide for possession of the acquired real property interest and construction of the project

while the county proceeds to acquire easements through an eminent domain judgment if necessary.

We will also continue to work with the property owner, as I mentioned earlier, to try to reach an amenable negotiated settlement if possible.

Information to support the required statutory resolution necessity findings is contained within the staff report included with the agenda pack along with owner contact histories.

notice of intention to seek approval for the resolution necessity was mailed to

the property owner by registered mail and standard US mail at least 15 days

prior to today's hearing if you have any questions regarding the project or any

of the properties in question I or other project team members currently present

are able to assist you and answer those questions thank you okay there are

currently no requests to speak from the supervisors. Are there any members of the

public? We have no members of the public punched up to speak. Okay. I will bring it

back for deliberation or motion. Move the item. Second. All right, please vote. That item passes unanimously 5-0. Thank you. Will the clerk please call the next item?

The next item is our 2 o'clock timed item number 54,

informational update for board direction on county medically indigent services program

and healthy partners program.

Hello, Tim.

All right.

Good afternoon, Madam Chair and members of the board.

I'm Tim Lutz, health services director.

And this quick information update with an opportunity if the board has additional questions.

In follow-up to the December 9th presentation that I did, there were some questions specifically around the CMISP program,

Healthy Partners, the benefit levels between each of those programs, and just, you know, overall

questions about care that those within the programs will be receiving. So, wanted to use this time to

provide you some of those updates. I think it's important to remember, too, when Healthy Partners

was developed. It was in response to Affordable Care Act being passed and trying to identify where

gaps were. Gaps primarily on undocumented individuals that would not qualify at the time

for any Medi-Cal coverage. So healthy partners stepped in to try and fill that void.

Madam Chair? Sorry to interrupt your flow, Tim. I just want to correct you a little bit.

the reason Healthy Partners exists is, yes,

it had much to do with the activity around

the Affordable Care Act at the time,

but I would argue it actually had more to do with the fact

that it was, its predecessor program was cut

completely during the Great Recession, okay?

2007, 2008, along with a whole host of other programs.

And I had expressed an interest in resurrecting

in some shape or form something that would function

and pay special attention to our constituents

regardless of their immigration status.

And that was really the impetus for what we call

healthy partners today.

So I just want to correct you a little bit.

No, thank you for that clarification, Supervisor.

Absolutely, I think what we were trying to do though

is recognize they weren't receiving this level of coverage.

how do we help bring that parity?

And I think we did a wonderful job

at putting that program together

as a result of that advocacy.

So I appreciate that.

And I really bring up that point to just highlight

there is an inherent disparity then

between what CMISP provides

and then what Healthy Partners is also providing.

And so I'll try and clarify what those differences are

and maybe a little bit around why

as I go through these points.

So first of all, again, the CMISP program

is built around Welfare and Institutions Code 17,000

and 10,000 mandates in terms of what a county

must provide for services.

It is heavily focused on medical necessity

and ensuring that anything life-threatening

is addressed and covered.

These individuals that do not qualify for Medi-Cal

or emergency Medi-Cal,

and therefore large hospital bills, aftercare bills,

all of those arrays of services then would be uncompensated

and they wouldn't have any way to pay for it.

So this is where the county would step in,

covering those costs and providing follow-up services.

So, when this was, when the program was last operational to any extent, so the program exists today, but we have zero enrollment.

When it was last really operational, 2010, 2011, the array of services is we focused medically necessary primary and specialty care.

Again, we leveraged our health clinics, our 10 locations throughout the county.

We also used our provider network to provide specialty services particularly.

And it was focused on medically necessary primary and specialty care services.

We did obviously provide emergency hospital care.

So at all of our county hospitals or county hospitals operated in the county, not actual county operated hospitals.

And then focused again on that medical necessity, medically necessary.

And pharmacy services for follow-up, ancillary services, like in some cases durable medical equipment that they would need.

generally more basic on anything in terms of primary care, chronic disease management.

This was much more heavily focused on immediate needs and medical necessity.

When we go back and look at what we were providing the most, this gives you an idea of some of those specialty services.

the highest volume, orthopedic, internal medicine, ophthalmology, vision care,

physical medicine, rehabilitation, podiatry.

And then you can see some of the additional medical and surgical specialties that we provided.

Again, it is a robust array because, you know, chronic life-threatening conditions can take a variety of different pathways.

So neurology, ear, nose, and throat, dermatology, hematology, oncology, all of those ranges of services were provided to address medical necessity.

Going forward, so as we look at how do we start to rebuild this program, we know, as I shared in December, we're going to have to rebuild a lot of this network.

We also know our clinic infrastructure is significantly smaller than it was during the height of this program.

So we would be working to expand contracts with other providers to help with that care.

The way that we envision this is as volume starts to go up, we're starting then to look at building out a network, leveraging our other FQHCs within the community to help us on this care as opposed to expecting one that we could do it all out of the primary care clinic, which creates logistical issues on access.

So people in North County, people in South County, East, everybody would be needing to come to the central spot.

We know that is an access point issue, but also capacity.

We just don't have enough room to fit everybody coming in if we're seeing the volume that we're projecting.

So we would, as that starts to occur, we'd be putting out RFPs.

we'd be putting out different LOIs for providers on some of the primary care type services and then also for specialty contracts.

We also would continue to rely on emergency in hospitals.

So we're going to be working with our hospital systems to renegotiate the agreements.

There are more or less evergreen agreements hanging out there right now, but they have not been looked at in years.

So we would want to go in, look at what those rates are, and work on getting updated contracts executed.

And then same with pharmacy, where we'll stay with our clinic at least through the first part until we start to gauge volume.

And then we'll start to look at contracting out more broadly, whether it's through other FQHC's pharmacies or other alternative pathways to ensure people have access to medications.

We do have some in-house specialists, but again, through our existing contracts, but we're going to rely heavily on additional contracted services for medically necessary specialty care.

SPIRIT, which is operated by the Sierra Sacramento Valley Medical Society.

It's a program that we've used throughout CMISP.

We use them with healthy partners.

They're an excellent partner at providing specialty services.

We're already in contact with them about updating our current agreements, recognizing this increase in volume potentially coming at us.

And then, again, ancillary services will be as needed when they come up and making sure if we don't have it and it's needed, we would use a letter of intent to basically provide the service, reimburse the provider, and assess the volume to see if we need contracts in place.

So, contrasting this then to our Healthy Partners program.

So because Healthy Partners requires that the person be eligible for emergency Medi-Cal in order to be enrolled in Healthy Partners,

where in essence a lot of those costs, or at least a good chunk of those costs that are within CMISP, emergency care, ambulance,

all of those types of costs would be covered by emergency Medi-Cal.

So what Healthy Partners then did was expand to really get into heavier on primary care

prevention.

So you see women's health, you see more lab radiology, behavioral health services, chronic

disease management, broader range of pharmacy, and even limited scope dental services.

So this is a much richer array of services at the primary care and prevention level as a result of, again, them already needing to be eligible for emergency medical.

And that's also why when you look at the costing, the costing's less per person for this program as opposed to CMISP.

For going forward, we do expect, I mean, we know this program was operational up two years ago,

so we have much better data on what utilization looked like.

We know our highest volume, physical therapy, sports medicine, obstetrics, gynecology,

ophthalmology, gastroenterology, optometry, things that we have a good gauge on.

we can build out the service mix and contracts of those specialty services.

Based on how we were planning to look at this, then if we were operating the program as it was,

this would be the mix of services that we would continue to offer within the Healthy Partners

program. I'm going to pause there for a second.

I know there were one or two questions that aren't necessarily related to the contract modeling that I can answer,

but I wanted to see if there were questions around provision of services before I talk about those.

Doesn't look like it.

Okay.

So I know that as we looked at the modeling from December 9th, and I know as Amanda does her presentation,

we're still looking at some you know basically costing and the mix one thing that i will

highlight is this does continue to be a fluid moving target and i'll use the state budget from

last week as an example something that was a surprise to us honestly was the the proposal to

move refugees, asylees, and parolees straight to basically just emergency Medi-Cal as opposed to

what we had been previously told was going to be a move similar to those with unsatisfactory

immigration status where they would move to state-only Medi-Cal and potentially subject

to an enrollment freeze or not.

So what this means then is they are legally residing within the county,

so that puts them under the county's CMISP mandate.

So we would be legally obligated to provide services for them

should they qualify for CMISP and come into our emergency room

or under our care.

And I say this piece because we're still modeling out the dollars, but our initial estimates could be up to $15.5 million to cover.

There's 24,000 people receiving coverage in Sacramento County.

We're modeling out how many might come to our program, not qualify for emergency Medi-Cal, but then still qualify for CMISP.

Tim, I have a request. Supervisor Desmond.

Thank you, Madam Chair.

So on that point, with respect to the parolees, refugees, asylees,

I mean, they're going to be losing that, a lot of them will lose TPS status.

At some point, are they no longer eligible for the indigent care program

and they would fall under other immigrants with unsatisfactory status?

You know, that is a really, I think, nuanced and difficult discussion.

We actually have outside legal counsel that's consulted on other matters.

And one of our questions was specifically around this population.

I would want to go back and ask them that question of if the federal government makes some additional determination and, yeah, they do get qualified as completely unsatisfactory immigration status, would they then not fall into a different category?

I think that's a question mark.

and it's one that we're going to have to look closely at.

Knowing what we know today, our understanding is because they are here,

they're legal residents, or at least they're legally allowed to be here.

Okay, so your assumption would be notwithstanding a change in their TPS status,

we would still be required to cover them under intergent health care

through the welfare and institution.

That is correct.

Okay.

And then I'll also just flag, as of this morning, I saw an update on the House did pass a three-year subsidy, ACA subsidy measure that now has to go through the Senate.

we're watching that one closely because if that passes we could see some fall off of people who

are receiving ACA subsidies that we were expecting would not renew their coverage and then might be

coming into this program so large gain here smaller potential offset on ACA subsidies if

that ends up getting passed one second Tim Supervisor Cerna thank you chair so I know that

this is a follow-up informational item that we requested.

So first of all, thank you, Tim, for paying attention

and listening and hearing our interest from last month

and bringing this here in front of us today.

I do want to point out that I think we're all in receipt

of a letter from the Hospital Council of Northern

and Central California expressing

I've seen very palpable concern about the prospect

of healthy partners being minimized or eliminated.

And I would share that concern.

And I know this is part and parcel today,

is part and parcel of actually what we're being presented

next in terms of the agenda item today.

It's all in the context of preparing us

to make informed decisions relative to our budget

and our budget situation, no secret,

is a little more challenging this year

than it was last year.

I think the last time you were before us, Tim,

on especially on healthy partners,

I think you and Siobhan both gave us some options

because that's what we asked you to present

is show us what some cuts might look like,

or maybe better put, how we might fine tune eligibility

so that the numbers may come down kind of organically

in terms of healthy partner enrollment.

So again, I think this is one of those programs that,

well, I certainly have a personal invested individual interest

in it for different reasons.

I just think even if you didn't have that personal connection,

if you just showed up today and said,

hey, what's this healthy partners thing?

If you look at what it will precipitate,

if it's eliminated especially,

in terms of eventual cost that will come back to this county

and actually I would argue adversely affect our budget

even more so than just saving the cost of it

if we eliminated it.

And looking at all the other peripheral effects,

especially as it relates to ER visits

and then having many of our constituents,

many of them being refugees,

many of them being immigrants.

And we don't have to look too far from where we're at

that the immigrant population across our country

is facing just tremendous challenge right now.

And so to thrust upon them yet another challenge

relative to not having the backstop

that we've enjoyed since 2008, nine, maybe nine or 10

of the Healthy Partner Program,

and then looking at all the practical consequence

of cost to the county that that would mean,

and to our partner hospital systems,

especially our healthcare systems,

I'm just gonna say right now that I'm not at all

interested in entertaining,

even in the context of a budget workshop,

which we're gonna do next year,

the prospect of having it cut or eliminated.

I think it's too important a program for us to even go there.

So I'm just throwing that out early.

Consider it a preview of coming attractions.

All right.

Any other comments?

No?

All right.

Thank you, Tim.

Will the clerk please call the next item?

We have no public speakers on that last item.

Yes, thank you.

And the next item we have is number 55,

FISCAL YEAR 2026-27 BUDGET WORKSHOP, APPROVAL OF BUDGET PRIORITIES AND INITIAL RESOURCE

ALLOCATION APPROACH. SUPERVISORS, THANK YOU FOR

THIS TIME THIS MORNING OR THIS AFTERNOON. AS WE'VE WRAPPED UP OUR BUDGET LAST YEAR,

THE BOARD EXPRESSED SOME INTEREST IN HAVING US COME BACK A LITTLE EARLIER TO HELP SHAPE

SOME POLICY AS IT RELATES TO THE BUDGET GOING FORWARD. AMANDA IS HERE TO TALK ABOUT

where we are as far as the preliminary outlook

for fiscal year 2026-27,

and also to go over the board priorities.

Also in there as supervisor pointed out

is a decision on the CMISP and healthy partners,

and then also making a recommendation,

or at least seeking recommendation from the board

to see about the reductions that we may face.

As you know, with HR1 coming back in July,

then we had some homeless funding programs

that were cut with HAP and ARPA fundings have gone away.

Also, CalFresh has hit us and some of the changes in there

and then CMISP, which we just talked about being,

for the most part, eliminated or at least put back onto the county

after the funding has been taken away from the state

and the federal government.

We wanted to make sure that you were well informed in this.

And so we've been building up to this particular workshop

for the last four or five months or so.

So with that, I'd like to turn it over to Amanda

and have her kind of go over the budget program

and look for recommendations and look forward to those.

Thank you.

Madam Chair.

Yes.

Thank you.

Just procedurally, David,

are you asking for a formal vote then today?

We are.

We're asking for a formal vote on two items

in your recommendations.

One is confirm or change your priorities

or your budget, the budget priorities.

The second item is to look at the discretionary, how do we initial

allocations of discretionary funding.

The recommendation is a 2% reduction across the board.

And then the last item would be the incident care or the CMISP and healthy

partners recommendations.

And Supervisor Cerner referenced a table or a matrix that was presented back then.

That's also in the presentation.

So you'll be able to see the cost of that as it rolls out.

Hello, Amanda.

Thank you, David. Good afternoon, Chair Rodriguez and members of the board. I'm Amanda Thomas, the county's chief fiscal officer, and I'm here this afternoon with the fiscal year 26-27 budget workshop.

So in recent years, we've come to the board at this time seeking input on budget priorities for the coming year, and this year we're taking a different approach by holding a comprehensive budget workshop with the board at the outset of the annual budget process,

seeking input from the board today that is intended to best align the budget recommendations

that you will see in June with the board's funding priorities.

So the purpose today is really twofold. The first is to provide the board and the public with a

preliminary outlook for the fiscal year 26-27 budget, and the second, as David just alluded to,

is to seek direction from the board on the budget priorities and the initial allocation of resources

to departments to be used in the development of their budget requests.

So we'll cover background on the budget process and an overview of how the county's budget is funded

and what that funding is used for.

Then we'll discuss the community input received in recent years that resulted in the development of the budget priorities,

which we are recommending that the board reaffirmed today.

I'll then share information on the current fiscal environment and budget pressures facing the county

and how that translates into projected operating deficits

for fiscal year 26, 27 and future years

with a recommended initial resource allocation approach

that is intended to put the county on a path

toward fiscal sustainability,

as well as alternative approaches

for the board's consideration.

So again, there are two actions being recommended

as part of today's workshop.

The first is to approve the recommended budget priorities

and the second is to approve the recommended

or an alternative approach for the initial resource allocation to departments to begin the budget process.

So speaking of the budget process, this chart provides an overview of the budget process

with the top part showing key steps in the internal budget development process

and then the blue boxes at the bottom indicating when there will be public meetings starting with today's workshop.

So looking at the budget process, you can see that we officially kick off that process this month with departments developing their budget requests.

For general fund departments, a key piece of information needed for budget development is their allocation of discretionary and certain semi-discretionary resources, or what we refer to as their budget target.

And it is those initial allocations or targets that we are requesting board direction on today.

and the budget process will be

finalized in February.

Departments that project net costs that

exceed their target will identify

program impacts resulting from the

funding shortfall, some of which may

ultimately be recommended for

restoration based on priority and

funding availability as we move

through the budget process.

Discretionary and semi-discretionary

revenue estimates will be finalized in

February as more information becomes

available and our estimated fund

the budget. The budget will be

released on May 29th and budget

hearings are scheduled to begin on

June 10th. And then as you know,

following the closing of this

fiscal year and the finalization of

the state budget, we will then

recommend adjustments as part of

the revised recommended budget

with those hearings scheduled to

begin on September 9th.

So these next few slides are

going to be a little bit more

So these next few slides provide some background information on sources and uses of funding in the county budget.

Of the total $9.2 billion in the overall county budget, around $2 billion of that, shown in the light green here,

is transfers between different county funds.

And then of the remaining, or most of the remaining $7 billion in net spending is funded with $5 billion of departmental revenue that must be used for specific purposes, and that's shown in dark green.

Discretionary resources in the county's budget, or what is sometimes referred to as general fund funding, account for about $1 billion overall.

And you can see off to the right here that the largest source of that is property taxes.

And then you can also see in yellow that about $100 million of that $1 billion of discretionary spending budgeted is coming from one-time fund balance and reserves.

The budget also includes $1 billion of semi-discretionary funding that comes from 1991 and 2011 realignment and public safety sales tax revenues from the state.

And these revenues can be used with some discretion to fund programs in the county's health and human services and public safety departments.

The resource allocation approach that I will be discussing later focuses on how discretionary and certain semi-discretionary resources are allocated to departments in the budget.

This chart shows how that same $9.2 billion of total funding is used in the budget.

Of the $6 billion that is in operating budgets, shown in green, you can see that the largest share is for health and human services departments, followed by community services, and then public safety and justice.

And then these charts show how the operating budgets by function are broken down in terms of the different types of funding, with the green representing departmental funding,

funding, the dark blue representing discretionary funding, and the light blue representing semi-discretionary funding.

So for health and human services, the green departmental revenue is almost entirely derived from state and federal funding sources,

with the required local shares of funding included within the discretionary and semi-discretionary spending amounts.

For community services departments, the vast majority of funding comes from departmental revenue sources, and that includes for enterprise funds such as airports and water and special revenue funds such as transportation.

Community services departments with discretionary funding and allocations include parks, animal care, and community development.

For public safety and justice, you can see that there is relatively little departmental funding,

which results primarily from state and federal grants or contract revenue,

with the majority of funding coming from discretionary or semi-discretionary sources.

And because of this reliance on these funding sources,

a shortfall of discretionary and semi-discretionary resources

is likely to have a greater impact on public safety and justice department budgets

than other areas of the budget.

Amanda, one moment.

Supervisor Cerna. Thanks, Chair. So I think you answered, you just answered some of my question,

Amanda, because if you look at the large ring, the one on the far left, the Health and Human

Services, $2.5 billion pie there, and it has kind of an inverse relationship to the far right,

public safety and justice in terms of discretionary versus departmental.

And I think you're spot on when you're saying it's basically the nature of how departments just get funded, right?

I mean, you have cost recovery that happens, let's say, in public health

because you're getting assistance from the state or the feds.

Or, say, the planning department, you're getting fees, right?

Fees help the department function and achieve its mission.

So in public safety, you don't have our sheriff's department going out and charging fees on the spot to receive their services.

But what this chart, the reason I find this chart fascinating is that I think it gives us the clearest picture possible

that should we want to exercise our discretion as the board about discretionary funding and about

overall funding for departments and programs within departments, this is probably the first

time I've seen something like this in the numerous budget workshops I've participated over the years

where it gives us a clear, it gives the public a clear understanding of if we want to exercise

our judgment about, you know, as we approach June, about where to pull money from and maybe apply funding.

It gives us an idea of the level of flexibility and where the flexibility resides.

Is that fair to say?

I think that is fair.

I mean, I think this does give an indication of that.

Of course, as you know, there's lots of nuance to that as well.

So I mentioned, you know, in health and human services, some of the discretionary funding that is spent, we don't really have discretion over because there's a required local match, right?

So I think that those things make the budget even more complicated.

Sure. All right. Thank you.

Okay. So transitioning now to talk about community input and budget priorities.

About five years ago, we began implementing a community outreach and engagement process, culminating in board approval of budget priorities each year.

That started in 2021 by surveying the county's advisory boards and commissions to identify topics to include in a survey of county residents about their priorities for the county budget.

We then engaged professional public opinion firm FM3 research to conduct resident surveys in 2021 and 2023 and focus groups in 2022 and 2024.

And what we found through that research was very consistent year to year in terms of residents' top priorities, which has led to the board adopting essentially unchanged budget priorities each year beginning in 2021 and most recently about a year ago in January of 2025.

So this chart, which I realize is a little bit difficult to read, highlights the findings of the most recent resident survey conducted in 2023, which again was very consistent with what we heard in the 2021 survey and 22 and 24 focus groups.

The horizontal axis here is plotting the relative importance of each topic to

county residents while the vertical axis plots the resident satisfaction with

regard to related services provided.

Amanda?

One minute.

Supervisor, sir.

Why don't you go ahead and finish what you're going to finish.

I just want to have a question here after you're done, but before you leave the slide.

Absolutely.

So the issues then at the bottom right of the chart that are contained within those red box are those with higher importance and lower satisfaction.

And you can see looking at those issues that homelessness stands out as the closest to the bottom right corner.

And that many of the other topics within this red box are also related to homelessness, including housing and behavioral health.

And then additionally, the condition of roads is identified as an issue in this red box,

although not shown on this chart in some of the other polling questions and research that was done,

it was also an issue that was clearly of greater priority to residents in the unincorporated county

than to those that lived in cities.

So based on the input from the surveys and the focus groups,

the board budget priorities have focused on homelessness as a countywide priority

and improving road conditions as an unincorporated focus area.

Thank you.

So this is a function of a survey instrument, right?

A telephone pole?

Correct.

So you can see that the exact questions that were asked at the bottom of this slide.

So I guess just my general question is how self-selecting are the respondents?

For instance, they have to have a phone number, right?

Are they, do we know that they're permanent county residents

with an address in Sacramento County?

Are they college students that have a county address

but they're in the midst of getting their degrees somewhere else?

I mean, who's answering these questions?

Yeah, so I think there were actually two modes of responding

to the survey telephone or via internet.

So there was electronic responses were also accepted.

I don't have the exact demographic information in front of me.

I can tell you that it's a representative sample, right?

So that is a reason why we elected to go with a professional public opinion firm

is we want to make sure that responses are representative of the demographics

of the county generally.

So the survey respondents are county residents and representative of the county as a whole.

So it could include fresh arrivals from Afghanistan.

It could include people that have questionable immigration status.

Again, I'm trying to understand who's in this and who's out of it.

I understand plus or minus three on the other side.

I get how polls work, how statistics work.

But it's never perfect.

So I'm trying to understand who's not here

that is giving us this information.

Yeah, I mean, I would agree that it's never perfect.

I think as much as possible,

the intent here is always provided in multiple languages,

and the intent here is that it's representative of the county's population,

both in terms of age distribution, income status, you know, a whole host of different metrics.

So even minors, people under 18 were part of this?