Okay, we're going to get started.

We're calling to order the Recreation and Parks Commission and the Sacramento County

Fish and Game Commission meeting right now.

Thank you all for coming.

I've been asked to inform you that if you have any request to speak slips that you bring

them down to the clerk over here so that none get lost.

We want to make sure that everybody that's interested in speaking is able to speak and they're

going to be helping us sort out the speaker slips.

And we'd like to start the meeting with a roll call.

Here.

Bill Hambrick.

Here.

Dan Gonzalez.

Here.

Dan Gonzalez.

Here.

Okay.

And we're all learning to use our microphones.

So good job, guys.

Okay, we're going to do the Pledge of Allegiance.

Dan, would you be willing to lead us?

Okay.

Okay.

Okay.

I know we have a lot of public here.

Is there any public comment that is on a non-agentized item?

Do we have one that was submitted?

Okay.

Bill's going to call.

Yes.

We have one.

Public comment.

Joe Ellis.

He's told me it's off agenda.

So Joe Ellis, please come to the front or the microphones.

And we're going to do two minutes of public comments today.

Thank you, guys.

My name is Joe Ellis.

I appreciate your time.

And thank you very much.

I am a resident of Sacramento 47 years.

I was born and raised in Carmichael.

I spent a lot of time on the River Trail and the American River Parkway.

Two years ago, I was guiding a river up in Coloma and had a cardiac arrest.

And was saved because of an AED.

AED is an automatic external defibrillator.

Restart the heart.

And I was in a county park up there.

A county park that has recently purchased a few of these enclosures that I'm talking

about.

The only reason I had an AED is because I had it myself.

I was in the park.

There was a building up in the park that housed an AED, but it was locked and closed and

I didn't have any means to get it.

So I was very fortunate to have my own.

I've since found a place that sells an enclosure that allows for public access to it.

So what this enclosure is, is an all-weather enclosure, has a code on it.

You call 911 911, gives you a combination to get in it.

Just to give you a couple facts about cardiac arrests.

More than 20% of cardiac arrests occur in public settings.

There's over 365,000 cardiac arrests annually outside of a hospital.

Survival rates increase two to three times with early defibrillation, which comes from

the AEDs.

And average 911 call can take up to seven minutes.

That's the nationwide average.

When we're talking about the park where we're talking about our county parks, I already

have talked to one gentleman who had tonight that actually gave me a story that took over

an hour for somebody to get to the incident that he was around.

And so these things speak to the necessity of it.

I had mine in under three minutes and I'm here today.

They say if you can get it on somebody within one to two minutes, that you actually up your

survival rate of 90%.

And so these are very important.

I know a lot of our Rangers carry them.

I've seen them in the cars.

I know a lot of sheriff's carry them.

But what we don't have is we don't have them accessible to us.

Make me the first responder.

I shouldn't have to wait for somebody.

And golf courses.

I know you have golf courses in Saat County.

I know there's a lot of us out here that enjoy beverage after we play golf.

A lot of times those pro shops close.

So these are a great way to have them on the outside of buildings.

I'm asking that we look into possibly doing this within Saat County.

I do have some paperwork.

I can leave.

I don't know if that's available for you guys to look at.

My phone number is there.

I would love to speak more.

And thank you.

I do have to say with the people here, I spend a lot of time in Sae their bar.

And I'm going to give my really brief story.

And that's I grew up a fish.

I grew up a fish.

Okay.

Thank you.

I'm going to keep the time limit strict today because we have so many people.

I really appreciate you coming out.

It's not an agenda item.

So we can't take action on it.

But I think it's a compelling point.

And I would be very interested in some day seeing an action item on that come to this commission

to the option to bring those.

So thank you for bringing that to us.

Does anybody else have any comments?

Okay.

Thank you so much.

Are there any more public comments on non-agentized items?

Okay.

We're going to move on to our presentation.

Is it on a non-agentized item?

Okay.

Bill is going to call you up.

I'm not sure which item it's for.

I have Alexandria who said item one or five.

But that's the only thing.

Okay.

I couldn't find where it said speaker item at the desk and it took a while to get through

security.

Can you just let me speak?

I have your item.

It didn't have a number on it.

Okay.

Thank you.

Yes.

Stick it up on there.

Go here.

All right.

Okay.

I want to call attention to this org chart here.

To everybody in the room.

This is parks here.

So we're right around here.

And this is our elected officials here.

This is us.

The residents.

May we the people be heard, acknowledged and understood?

May we the people prevail?

Thank you.

Are there any more public comments on non-agentized items?

Okay.

I'm going to move on.

To our first presentation is the American River Parkway Foundation's annual report.

Good evening, everybody.

My name is Diana Pugetto and I'm the executive director of the American River Parkway

Foundation.

I have been the executive director of the foundation since 2008.

I do have a presentation.

Were you able to put it up or?

No.

Perfect.

Give me just one second.

I'll bring it up.

Everyone has the.

Is this mic on too?

I don't know.

That's too short for me, believe it or not.

So we're going to start because really the American River Parkway Foundation, we rely on volunteers

to do the work out on the parkway.

So we're going to go through the programs that we actually function out on the parkway

and the number of volunteers.

So last year we had 5,514 volunteers out on the parkway for a total of 16,340 hours.

That's a huge saving is not only to the county but also to the community for having greater

access to certain areas within the parkway.

And I double-sided this so you guys, so I'm sorry.

I was saving paper.

The parkway is probably most well known for its cleanups and that's what the parkway

foundation has been doing really since 1983 when we started as an organization.

So what we're really happy to see is that the amount of trash that the parkway foundation

is actually cleaning up on the parkway is reduced because for anyone that frequents the parkway,

the goal would be to have zero trash picked up.

And I think maintenance who is here would agree with that as well.

I know you guys have forensic clean and others but so last year in 2023 we picked up over

100,000 pounds in 2024.

We only picked up 44,000 pounds.

That is a great thing because then volunteers can spend time doing other projects that are

not necessarily picking up trash or being stuck by needles, etc.

Which has happened as we all know.

The other program which the invasive plant removal program, most of you are probably saying

why do invasive plants matter and what is the purpose of removing them.

But most people know what yellow starthistle is.

Unfortunately that's not always on our list of invasive plants but red syspania, which is

very crucial to fish habitat along the water's edge as well as the brooms.

Our program we are doing, we have an MOU with the county so we are maintaining their

agreement with state parks.

It is a 25 year agreement and we actually have almost four and a half years left.

But no one is counting.

But we are working with Casey and Zach and really looking at how does the invasive plant

program on the parkway change?

How does it evolve?

As Stinkwort has come in, there's new plants that are always coming in.

How do we really address those plants to really ensure that the restoration of the parkway

and beautification of the parkway remains.

But last year we have volunteers that go out and pull plants.

They pull weeds.

It is not a glorious thing.

A lot of them carry a weed wrench which can weigh anywhere from 5 to 15 pounds to pull

out the brooms.

So we removed 112,293 invasive plants along the parkway.

Some of those could be pods of red syspania and if we get the pods before they start sprouting

that actually cuts down on that work.

So we are looking forward to what's coming up this year in the next four years and our

goal is to continue to grow our invasive plant patrol.

We have 20 active members and these are gentlemen and females that actually go out.

We have a map that they actually plot where they're pulling plants.

The number of plants they're pulling, we determine the acreage.

So there's a lot of work that goes into it and these are really, really committed individuals

and so we applaud them for everything they're doing to remove the invasive plants on the parkway.

One of the programs that we started with the rewrite of the parkway plan in 2008 was

trail maintenance.

Because at that time it was allowed that others could go on the trails besides equestrians,

so runners, walkers and we received funding from Sacramento Rending Association to help maintain

the trails.

So all the carcinite signs that you see out on those trails, the foundation actually pays

for and puts in all the stickers.

And let me tell you those stickers are not cheap.

The cyclists sometimes peel off, those are replaced constantly by our volunteers and by

our staff.

The trails, the equestrian multipurpose trails actually span 30 miles on the parkway because

they're not equal to the 23 miles of the actual paved trail.

So we have cleared 12.2 miles in 2024.

Clearing means cutting back to the six or eight feet depending on how wide it is, removing

brush and ensuring that we're not taking any native plants down that should not be taken

down, whether it's an elderberry.

And so that it is a ruling process.

It is something that you can have three to five volunteers at a time, whether they're

used in a brush mower, a weed whacker or loppers.

The equestrian patrol that it has an MOU with the county is to be doing top heavies.

So when they're on their horse, they are to be trimming those taller branches because

a lot of our volunteers are not sitting on top of a horse clearing those.

So the tribute tables, tribute benches, that is something if you look out on the parkway,

there's many, many more concrete tables.

And that is because we were given the go ahead to replace some of those wood tables that

are there, that are rotting, that have been used for nefarious reasons.

And so last year we actually put eight new concrete tables.

So individuals purchased those as a gift, as in a memory, and they were very strict, and

the county approves what can be placed on those tables.

There can't be any dates placed because this is a park.

It's a public park that we want people to come to and we don't want it to resemble any

type of cemetery.

So those tables are placed and regional parks, maintenance staff is great because those

tables weigh, they're not light.

So when they are placed in, and regional park staff maintenance place the tables in, and

they go on a concrete pad or on a very, very heavy dirt.

So we've already got six on order for this year.

So hopefully, we're focusing on certain parks to really make sure all those tables in

our concrete.

And they last for an average of 15 years.

So it's a good investment for someone.

Probably the program that I would say the foundation is most proud of is our river

bin outdoor education site.

So for anyone that's ever been out there, so this is the Ten Acres site that Sacramento

County Regional Park actually purchased in 2008.

At that time, the foundation partnered with District 51, District Rotary 5180 and all

the Rotary districts.

And we actually rehabbed the entire facility.

So now there's an amphitheater, it's wheelchair accessible.

We removed a lot of the open pits that were there because of fire danger.

And the best part is that we partnered with Sacramento County Office of Education to

provide outdoor education.

And those education, that education is provided to Title I schools.

And within Sacramento County, 68% of all schools are Title I.

And for those that don't know what a Title I school is, that is a low income school,

English is second language learners.

So for most of these children, they've never been out to the parkway.

So this is their first opportunity to go out to the parkway.

So the parkway foundation raises about $100,000 a year in order for these kids to come out.

And that is the way they're able to come out.

Sacramento County Office of Education provides all of the education.

So there are four teachers out there.

There's a maximum of 66 children at a time.

And they get to come out to Riverbin Park, out to the Riverbin site.

So it is exciting.

The big thing that we would love to see, we've only been working on it for four years,

are the addition of the bathrooms.

We've already raised the money to place bathrooms out there.

And once the bathrooms are placed out there, schools would be able to do overnight.

But as I said, we are on year four of the permit process and hopefully fingers crossed casing.

This year will be the year that we can actually put the bathrooms in.

So it's a great community partnership of being able to put those bathrooms in.

So fingers crossed.

In 2021, the American River Parkway Foundation created a Firesafe Council.

And this Firesafe Council was approved through the state of California.

It is through the foundations 501C3.

In 2023, the foundation funded the creation of the Community Wild Fire Protection Plan

just for the American River Parkway.

We hired a company called Dear Creek Resources who does a lot of this work from numerous counties

throughout California.

The goal is this year to have the CWP formally approved by Sacramento County Board of Supervisors.

Then once it's approved by the Board of Supervisors, it will then be approved by both Sacramento

Metro Fire, Sacramento City Fire, and then Cal Fire.

And once it is approved by Cal Fire, then we will be able to go after state money and

federal money in order to curtail wildfires on the parkway.

Okay.

I don't know if something's going on.

Our new program is Parkway Connect.

And this program is really important, at least in the foundation's eyes, because here

again, we are bringing individuals out to the parkway to experience what the American

River Parkway is, who have never been out here.

So we are working with nine different nonprofits within the Sacramento region.

And they are bringing their families out to experience whether it's a fly fishing adventure.

And so we just did one with Sisters and Nian.

It was a father and daughter fly fishing.

And we had hooked on fishing, not on violence come out and perform or teach them how to

fly fish.

We're doing some archery.

We're doing nature walks.

We've got the Sacramento Library coming out to do a book reading with kids.

So it's really great.

So we're looking at adding this year we have 14 different events planned up and down

the entire parkway.

So we want families to come out and experience the parkway and what you can do at the parkway.

And then the Tickard Parkway Fund, the American River Parkway Foundation is the custodian

of the Tickard Parkway Fund.

This came out of a development agreement with Sacramento County that started in 2010.

And was officially signed in 2018.

So all the mining companies within Sacramento County give funding to different organizations.

The way we set it up is that the money comes into the foundation and then we distribute

it through grant funds.

So we have a competitive grant process.

And so so far we have funded soil borne farm, Sacramento County Office of Education,

the archery range, Sacramento Rending Association and Triangle Properties.

And our RFP will be going out at the end of March for the 2025 year and we look to find

another $100,000 this year.

And that is my quick presentation for tonight.

Does anyone have any questions?

Now it should work, thank you.

Yeah, thank you for the presentation.

I really appreciate the foundation and all the work they do for preserving and encouraging

recreation on the parkway, bringing these kids out to the education site has got to be so.

I get chills thinking about it because these kids don't get out there to play in the mud and toss rocks and

do the things that they do.

And getting the invasive species off the property, we've all been stuck by those start up

vessels and everything else.

It really helps the parkway.

So obviously the foundation has been doing that for a long time.

One question, I mean you've collected something like 50% less trash last year than you have

in previous years.

What caused that?

I mean why is there so much less trash now than there was back then?

I think it's multiple reasons.

I mean let's, we all know that back in 22, 23, the number of homeless that were living on the parkway was a very high number.

I know the county also has forensic clean.

There are a number of other organizations that are out picking up trash.

And so that's where we're saying if there's multiple people, I mean we're still, there's still trash out there.

I don't want people to think that it's completely gone.

We're still doing clean ups.

But I think you know what is out there is not as large and heavy as it was.

I mean I think all of you have taken part in a Northgate cleanup before and you know what the way it is and what we pick up there.

And if the mattresses and the soil blankets aren't there, that also lowers the the poundage.

Yeah, well thank you again.

You haven't lived until you've carried a high to bed out from under some brush out to a place where the park maintenance can pick it up.

Or a honey pot.

Yeah, I don't know honey pot.

I didn't want to go there.

Thank you Diana.

Good evening.

The fire safe council.

I just wanted to congratulate the parkway foundation and all the partners on the work there.

A couple of years ago this was a very big concern.

I remember going to the meeting at the Secretary of the Secretary of the Association of Realtors with the video and the whole thing.

In your view what's been working?

Is it the coordination?

Is it the goats?

Is it the SR 51 construction?

Move people out at that location.

What's really been working?

It seems substantially better.

Yeah, I mean the biggest thing is we haven't been experiencing drought years.

I mean so there's been wet grass and that's not to say there haven't been small fires.

And I think the Rangers can attest to that.

But the highway construction has definitely moved because when you think about where the majority of the fires were from 19 to 22,

they were from really mile three to mile seven.

The majority of them were in that caluxpo area.

So a lot of those individuals have moved out.

So that is one thing.

The wet years have also helped because I mean the wet years have a pro yeah,

it's the shorter life span for the fires and the number of homeless or not.

The number of homeless is not as great living on the parkway.

Thank you.

Okay, thank you for presenting to us.

I'm really excited to see the pathways connect projects take off.

That's excellent that they increase in volume of events and that program as a whole.

So thank you for pursuing that and making that a success.

What are triangle properties?

One of your grant.

Triangle properties does restoration.

And so they're going to be doing some restoration,

some with our invasive plant program.

Okay, so they're doing it actually on the parkway then as well.

Everything, so they need money that is distributed through the Tycra Parkway fund

has to go on to the parkway.

Okay, and I'm also happy to see you're support for the Sober and Farms project.

We're doing out there in the next couple of years is excellent.

So I'm happy to see that also.

Thank you for all the great work that you do and for presenting to us.

So nice you have it.

You know, you present to us every year.

It's nice that you have an audience this time.

That is true.

That is true.

You know, it's just me in the room.

Oh, you guys.

So what?

So thank you so much.

You.

So again.

Okay, and our next presentation is early notification proposed Woodland proven.

Chair, we do have one person request to speak on.

Oh, I'm sorry.

One or five of those Alexandria Huwakker.

I don't know if she wants to speak on one.

You're waiting for number five.

Then we have no problem.

Then I didn't do it wrong.

I could just breach your mind.

All right, we're going to move on to number two.

Come on back up.

Go ahead.

All right.

Good evening commissioners.

I'm Casey Sorgan, senior planner with regional parks.

Right.

I am providing a briefing on our wood lake improvement projects that we have been working

on.

The goal of this presentation is to get feedback on the proposed projects in the wood lake area.

Specifically to get information about potential impacts from the proposed projects to neighbors

or parkway users.

So we're here gathering input.

We're in the design phase of the planning project.

Let's see.

We began planning this in late 2022 for several different improvement projects in the wood

lake area to facilitate the planning effort.

We started referring to these various projects.

What do you want me to do?

Great.

Great.

Thanks.

So we started referring to these as three phases based on the order of funding that we received,

two of which are grant funded.

So the CalExpo Crossing is phase one.

And it's a restoration project and also provides a crossing connection, a bridge between CalExpo

and wood lake.

This is being funded partially by a wildlife conservation board grant that was issued in

2022.

The location is on the east side of wood lake right there.

The wood lake gateway project is phase two on the west side and it is being partially

funded in total from the state's budget as part of the lower American parkway public

access funds.

This was one of Mayor McCarty's successes during his term as an assembly member.

And then our third phase is actually back at phase two and it is a realignment of the

jet address memorial bike trail.

That has not been funded yet.

Next.

Okay.

So the goal of phase one is to reconnect the maintenance road and trail system between wood

lake and CalExpo and enhance habitat in adjacent to the storm water slew.

Usually the project proposal includes constructing a bridge, expanding and enhancing woodland and

wetland and grassland habitat and realigning the maintenance road and horse trail.

The photo shows the focus area of phase one which is taken from the northeastern portion

of wood lake looking towards the southwestern portion at downtown.

The bridge would be located along the northern portion of the storm water channel that runs

from north to south.

This location was chosen as it would avoid and minimize the number of sensitive resources

that were identified along the channel during surveys.

An enhancement and expansion of the woodland in the green area accounts for approximately

12 acres.

The expanded wetland area which is shown in blue is approximately 2.5 acres and it would

be graded and planted to support wetland and riparian species.

The spoils from grading would be spread across the upland area which is kind of shown in a

light yellow.

The benefit to spreading these soils in the adjacent area are twofold.

It will help smother noxious weeds in the area, specifically yellow starthistle.

It will help alleviate some of the concerns that have been identified by tribes where

you inadvertently discard soil if you take it off site.

They prefer it on site.

Construction of the bridge in wetland does cause the need to realign existing maintenance

road and trail systems and this will require an area plan map amendment to the American

River Parkway plan.

This figure shows the alignment of the worst trail and the maintenance roads as they are

now in the American River Parkway plan.

I have the next page which shows the realignment that we are proposing based on the restoration

that is being proposed.

The horse trail would head north across the bridge and then go down around the swale area

of the new wetland.

The maintenance road would also dip down to the bottom side of the restoration area.

Okay.

Next.

Okay.

Phase two, the project goal is to enhance public access and amenities within the lower reach

of the parkway.

Specifically we are proposing to construct an entrance road from the end of north gate,

boulevard, a parking lot, a car top boat launch, a restroom and a trail connection.

The photo on this side is oriented towards the northeast looking towards Cal Expo.

The project area is to the east of Highway 160 at the bottom of the photo and west of

the Sacramento Northern bike trail.

The entrance road and parking area is aligned along an existing access road.

It's shown in black.

The parking area terminates near the boat launch and would provide ADA parking and access

on the boat launch ramp shown as blue on this image.

To construct this ramp, grading to the lower elevation would be required and it's shown

in green.

On either side of the parking area and boat ramp there would be a three to one slope.

It is likely that some amount of rip wrap will be needed but we are prioritizing utilizing

biotechnical alternatives such as a dense thicket willow.

Also riparian species would be planted along the shoreline and along the graded area to

provide onsite mitigation for the impacts the project would have.

A restroom would be constructed adjacent to the main parking lot is shown in this blue

right there.

And also a bike trail would connect to the Sacramento Northern bike trail, a little access connection.

The only change that would be needed on the wood like area plan map would be to show the

new restroom and trail connection since the boat launch and parking are already indicated

on the parkway plan map.

Phase three is the realignment of the Jedadaya Smith Memorial Trail and is being proposed specifically

to reduce unsafe 90 degree turns and to reduce maintenance associated with erosion along

the trail in close proximity to the stormwater channel.

The problem area specifically for erosion is right here where it turns.

The proposed realignment would cross the proposed bridge associated with phase one and would

skirt along the southern area of the phase one woodland.

The wetland enhancement area, the phase one woodland planting plan would leave enough

space to construct the trail with the narrow band of plantings along the south side of

the proposed phase three trail alignment in order to provide shade.

For the overall wood lake area, the improvements associated with phase one, two and three would

necessitate an amendment to the wood lake area plan map to show the new restroom facility

and realign maintenance roads, trails and new restroom.

The existing and proposed facilities and the land use categories are shown on these maps.

This is the existing area plan map and this is the proposed changes.

Specifically we would realign the horse trail, the maintenance trail along here as well

as along this section to protect sensitive resources that have been identified.

Our next steps will be to finalize a sequel review and bring it to the board of supervisors

for their consideration and approval of the project as well as approval of an area plan

map amendment.

Following that when we have completed our designs, 100% designs will bring them back to you guys

to the Reckham Park Commission and ask for your consideration to endorse a consistency

determination and approve the contract drawings.

And now I'm happy to take questions.

Casey, could you, would you mind returning us to the slide that shows the new alignment

back one more?

One more, I apologize.

I'm so sorry.

There.

Thank you.

Thank you so much.

So the bridge that's proposed, if all of this is approved, would connect both the Jedadai

Smith Trail, the paved trail and would allow folks who use the off-path cycling project

in this area to jump over that channel and connect to the other piece.

Because there was a bridge or a crossing that was closer to the river that washed out

a few years ago, it cut off the connection to the off-path cycling project.

But my understanding is this bridge would solve for that and kind of complete the loops so

you could connect to the other segment.

Is that, do you understand that correctly?

Yes, that's correct.

Okay.

Thank you.

So the steps are going to be that we are approving a change to the Parkway plan because

the restrooms you said are outside of the scope of the plan or the map, the area plan

map for the Parkway plan does not show, does not identify the restroom at this location.

So the board of supervisors would have to approve that amendment.

But before we do that, I'm sorry, we will do that first.

So and then we'll come back with the construction plans for your approval.

So we're just reviewing it in concept, not to change the plan.

Right.

So we're here seeking feedback so that we can incorporate it into the design process.

So personally it looks like it's good for the location and it's good for the users.

So I think that's excellent solution to improve the environment and improve the recreation

accessibility and usability really.

Great work.

Do you need us to take a motion or do you just looking for feedback?

We're here for feedback.

All right.

Yeah.

Anyone else have feedback?

All right.

I give you positive feedback.

Awesome.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Oh, wait, I forgot I have to ask for public comment.

I know we don't usually have any audience.

But thank you.

Is there any public comment on this item?

The way I'm sorry, the way public comment works is that you would do a speaker form and

turn it in.

So has anyone turned in to speaker form for this comment?

Chair, I do not have any for item number two.

Okay.

And just to clarify, it does sound like it's going to be a in equestrian and bicycle and

it's not, it's a, and the maintenance is the only car vehicle trail there, right?

Yes.

I support emergency vehicles to provide access for fire vehicles as well.

Excellent.

Thank you.

One moment.

I lost my papers.

There we go.

All right.

The next presentation we have is the early notification and conceptual approval of the

2025 Sailor Bar ADA concept plan.

Thank you.

Good evening, recreation and park commission and members of the public.

I'm the director of regional parks.

I wish to thank everyone for attending this meeting.

I am providing your presentation on the 2025 ADA concept plan for Sailor Bar.

I wish to let everyone know that written public comments that were received prior to the agenda

being published on Friday, February 21st were compiled and included with this agenda item

as public comments set one.

Any comments that were received after that date and up to the start of this meeting will

be compiled for the record and published as public comments set two.

We are requesting feedback and input as well as conceptual approval during closing remarks of the

commission members for this concept.

The next presentation is the report in other words does the recreation and park commission approve of this concept as of an ADA trail.

This is in the very early stages of the project process where the department is providing early notification to parkway stakeholders and

neighbors as well as requesting input from a variety of groups including the American and the parkway advisory committee, the

recreation and park commission, the county's disability advisory committee, county department of transportation,

Sacramento County, senior and adult services and other organizations who serve members of the disabled community.

The department has budgeted $209,513 to address specific accessibility needs within Sailor Bar as listed in the Sailor Bar ADA accessibility

review report 2019 which was attachment one to this report.

This work includes repairs to the restroom, some ADA parking spaces and required path of travel from the restroom.

This initial concept plan was developed by the license architect who serves as the manager for the county's ADA transition plan in coordination with regional park staff.

He has years of experience in the development of public projects throughout California including several within Sacramento,

Colorado and Placer counties. The American River Parkway plan specifically addresses accessibility both in the Sailor Bar area plan and in overall policies.

The Sailor Bar area plan mentions the development of trails for persons with disabilities specifically in the narrative for Sailor Bar.

And the overall policies in the parkway plan state that designated entryways for accessible trails shall be installed at several locations throughout the parkway.

It is an overarching goal of the department to make the Sacramento County regional park system as accessible as possible including identifying areas which already meet the standard, ensuring all facilities which were included in the Sally Swanson ADA report are addressed.

Building accessible features into new park development and exploring alternative means to provide accessibility such as adaptive equipment.

This overall ADA concept plan includes addressing the required ADA parking stalls at the following parking lots.

And these are all listed on this map here.

All of access north, all of access south, Illinois Avenue access, Sailor Bar boat access, Sailor Bar fishing access lot, turtle pond access and river west access.

And I'm going to grab some water just one second.

Additionally, it proposed moving the memorial flag pole at the all of access to the all of Avenue access parking north.

This current memorial has stairs which are noncompliant and frankly can be dangerous.

The concept plan has three trail components. Trail one, a new trail from the turtle, turtle pond access parking connecting to turtle pond.

The existing trail which is not ADA compliant would be returned to natural vegetation. Trail two.

So this trail one is this one right here. Trail two is this one right here. And trail three is this little loop.

Trail two is modified. This is an existing trail which follows alongside the northern shoreline of the American River.

This trail would be converted to an accessible trail which connects the Sailor Bar fishing access to the river west access parking.

Modifications include the elimination of excessive cross-lopes and running slopes and surfacing with ADA compliant material.

Trail three is a new accessible loop trail.

The department is also proposing to utilize a product called right here which is designed to meet the needs of the blind and low vision visitors by providing audio descriptions of the trail and facility as well as directional safety and interpretive signs.

The service allows for the translation into several different languages does not require Wi-Fi nor electricity and is accessible through a free app for cell phones for both Android and iOS users.

A summary of this product is included as attachment three.

We are currently installing this product at the Consumeless River Preserve and will have the opportunity to test it out prior to implementation at Sailor Bar or other areas of the American River Parkway.

Following the meetings with different organizations and advisory bodies, revised conceptual plans will be developed to assist with future grant applications as this concept plan is not funded.

When funding is secured the plan will proceed to engineering and design and will include opportunities for additional public input.

As per the American River Parkway plan, final construction drawings will be presented to the Recreation and Park Commission for approval accompanied by an American River Parkway Consistency Determination.

Regional parks will not approve or implement the project until SQL Review is completed and all required permits are obtained.

Many of the public comments received at the Disability Advisory Committee and the American Reparkway Advisory Committee center around Grable Road A, which is this red dotted line right here.

Grable Road A is subject of a separate receive and file written report which will be heard later tonight.

Some of the main current serons that were raised.

Use of the Grable Road A for equestrians.

Attachment 5 of this report is a higher definition map from the American River Parkway plan which depicts the area of Sailor Bar.

It shows the alignment of the approved equestrian hiking trail in Brown as well as the approved equestrian staging areas which are little Brown Horse icons.

The majority of Grable Road A is not a part of the approved equestrian hiking trail.

However, the equestrian hiking trail does run adjacent to some of the other existing gravel roads which will remain closed to be a cooler traffic.

Increased fire danger.

Comments were received expressing the concern of increased fire danger to the homes along the bluffs of Sailor Bar.

We have included the final draft of the American Reparkway Community Wildfire Protection Plan which Diana referenced in her presentation, which is an action plan for increasing wildfire resilience of the American Reparkway and surrounding communities.

The plan is to define and prioritize actions that will limit the damage associated with the wildfire and establishes a series of resiliency improvements.

The plan includes seven projects related to Sailor Bar, six of which are listed as moderate priority and include continued grazing, the continuing of grazing at existing grazing units.

The seventh project, a new grazing area, is listed as high priority.

The new grazing area will provide for episodic grazing to raise canopy base height.

All grazing areas, including this new area, are included in the 2025 grazing plan for Sailor Bar, which is included as attachment seven to this report.

The October 2025 fire fuel reduction work at Sailor Bar has recently begun with park staff and members of the state conservation corps.

Dust.

A commuter has stated that dust from the gravel road as a public health hazard do the possible presence of mercury and asbestos.

The attachments eight and nine of this report are reports from the state department of conservation and the US Bureau of Reclamation respectively, which addresses these concerns.

The 2006 report from the state department of conservation, which addresses the likelihood of naturally occurring asbestos in the eastern portion of Sacramento County indicates that the eastern Sacramento County is an area least likely to contain naturally occurring asbestos.

The report of the US Bureau of Reclamation was prepared to evaluate the Sacramento Water Form gravel augmentation projects, which have been taking place along several areas of the American Reparquay, including Sailor Bar.

This report relied on soil and water sampling at Mississippi Bar and Sailor Bar to determine the concentration of metals within the dredging tailings that were used as source material for the gravel augmentation projects.

The materials from 10 test pits at each of the locations were collected for testing.

From the conclusion of this report, the study first emphasized mercury due to the assumption that all dredged tailings had come in contact with mercury during the gold recovery process.

It is now believed that this assumption is false in part due to the results of this study.

The study that site 21 at the east of Sailor Bar had high concentrations of all metals, except antimony, which was a non-detected all sites.

The project geologist reported that this is likely due to the presence of Meriton, and if I butchered that name, I'm sorry.

The material in this pit, Meriton formation gravels consist of mafic volcanics and as such would have a higher metal content than the surrounding granite titty gravels.

Additionally, regional parks has consulted with Dr. Roland Brady, a licensed consulting geologist who reviewed these reports and others.

Dr. Brady stated that he sees no geological reason that asbestos would be released by reopening gravel road A, nor a reason to suspect potential mercury contamination from fugitive dust.

He also noted that cases examined in the 2011 World Bank report quantifying the impacts of vehicle generated dust, a comprehensive reports approach.

Highlighted, the long-term exposure to road dust and Dr. Brady concluded that it is unlikely that the dust generated by reopening road A would pose significant risk to the casual user or that their risk would be greater than any other dirt road of similar length.

At the Disability Advisory Committee, in addition to the department's presentation of this ADA concept plan, the Friends of Sailor Bar presented an alternative accessible trail concept.

This alternative plan, as well as the motion approved by the Disability Advisory Committee, are included as part of Attachment 10 Public Comment Set 1.

Regional parks has also sought out and received feedback from persons with lived experience, both in using wheelchairs, as well as having family members who use wheelchairs.

The input received will be incorporated into future iterations of this concept plan and include comments on the trail surface to be used, the need for shade elements, either natural or man-made and rest areas.

At the Disability Advisory Committee, we also received feedback that the accessible parking areas should consider the need for larger spaces for those who utilize pair transit.

At this time, I conclude my presentation and open it for questions of the commission.

I just want to clarify before we move forward, the gravel road is part of this plan conceptually or it's completely in item number five.

The gravel road is an existing condition and thus is shown on this concept plan.

So supporting the concept would be supporting the existing condition of that.

So supporting the concept of the ADA is supporting the idea of pursuing an ADA trail at Sailor Bar.

Thank you. Do the commissioners have any questions?

So conceptually, we're looking at a drawing of what these three trails would be.

And you haven't identified the base of what the trail is, whether it'll support a wheelchair type of mobility device.

You know, site, you know, I don't know all the disabilities it might manage, but you're still investigating all those types of things.

So as far as surface materials, those have not been identified. The idea would be that the trail would allow for wheelchair access.

And also we are trying to incorporate other accessibility components such as the right here concept and others that would address other disabilities.

So I went out and I took a walk along trail two.

It's gorgeous out there. It's beautiful.

And I think that the giving access to people would be wonderful for them to get out there and see different parts right now.

It appears to me that they're kind of over by the launching ramp, you know, which is not a very pretty place to be.

And I think there's a really good plan to put that out there. I didn't go out to the turtle pond.

I know kind of what it looks like, so I didn't see where that was.

And I like the idea that loop as well. It looks like it would allow somebody to go a little bit further out there if they wanted to see more of the park.

So I think that's great to get more people out into the park to use it. And it's very fishing access for people just a thought.

So that is something that we would love to hear input on how we could develop a greater accessible fishing access.

We have one at Maitre Regional Park. We had one at William Pond that since needs some improvement to make it better.

Yeah, that'd be great. Anyway, I love the concept. I like the idea.

And I just want to see more people out there using this park. So carry on.

Thank you. Any other comments or feedback from the commission members?

At this point, then I would ask that the chairperson open a public comment for this item. Thank you.

So I'm going to go ahead and do that and open a public comment. You're going to have a two minute limit because there's so many people.

I'm going to hold you strictly to that limit. So please be respectful of everybody's time.

Bill's going to call up the names. Do you want to call a few at a time so people can get ready? Or how do you want to handle that?

I can go ahead and call who you have up and then I can queue up to next person.

And some people have marked down that they want to speak on items three and five.

So we'll call them for three and then we'll call them again.

I will speakers for five. Sounds fantastic. Thank you.

Are you ready? All right. First speaker is Elizabeth Lansman Smith.

And number two will be Warren Trick.

Hello, everyone. I was going to speak for about road A specifically.

Sailor Bart is at an area now. It used to be all roads where people could drive.

But since was it 2008 or 2009, it was closed to motorized traffic.

And the community has since adopted any use for it.

They've there's pedestrians, there's runners, there's bicyclists.

There's all sorts of people out there on those roads using them as trails.

They're trails now. So when you talk about removing road A,

what you're talking about is taking away a trail from the people that are already using it as a trail.

And that's what they are now. I use these trails. I do a giant loop from all of the olive avenue entrance.

And I go all the way around and use that road to come back down and go back to all of avenue.

And if you open that up to motorized traffic, I won't be able to use it anymore.

One of the reasons I use it is to, one of the reasons I go down there is to get away from traffic.

If I wanted to be someplace where there was traffic, I would be using, I would just be walking around my own neighborhood.

But I'm running out of time here. But anyway, one of the reasons given is that these are road A.

And I think the reason is that these are plans that the department has.

But good government means when there's an issue, plans can change.

And I think you ought to really consider the alternatives that are proposed. Thank you.

Thank you.

After warrant you'll have Alexis Rauchfuss. I'm not sure on the handwriting, but that'll be the next person after warrant.

I'm Warren Truett. I'm president of Sabine York, American River Association, where, affectionately known as Sarah.

Sarah was founded in 1961. The specific purpose at the time was to create the parkway by rallying the community to vote for a bond issue that came up.

I think it was 72 that the final issue came up. And it passed by 70, I've heard anywhere from 70 to 74%.

So the community wanted the parkway. And Sarah has participated in every plan of the parkway, the parkway plan, ever since the first one, in the last one being in 2008.

In that bond issue was $12,500,000. And they purchased 4,000 acres of the parkway plus the Elk Grove Park and Gibson Ranch, which are each about 350 acres each.

Sarah is very concerned about the recent focus of regional parks in several reasons. And I'll get to the specific one in this moment.

But it seems that it's becoming a monetizing urbanizing situation with parks, which, when it was originally created, and as I said, Sarah, just there from the beginning, it was meant to be, they call it naturalize, but it's the nature that's there is incredible.

It's like over 2,000 deer between Sacramento River and Folsom Lake. There's the bird population I understand has increased since the road has been closed. It's said they're bar by 30%.

It's a delight for anybody that likes to go on watch nature. So Sarah is especially concerned about the sailor bar issue from the standpoint of the users.

And the group put serve sailor bar, they have done an incredible job of getting the word out about the concerns there. They have had all the different groups on the handicap people, meaning, including blind, mobile, mobility issues and deaf folks out there.

The Autobahn society, the fishing groups of all said they do not want the ropes, so roads open and parks is wanting the roads to be open. And this is for the group that we're saying don't want the ropes open.

Thank you. Thank you.

Okay. Thank you.

Thank you.

Chair, one second. We had a request to put the trail map back up on the document viewer, if that's okay.

It looks like the next speaker has a document that they'd like to put up though. Is that correct?

So let's put the trail map up and then if you have anything you can place it on top of the trail map. Would that be an acceptable way to proceed?

Or I can swap it back and swap it.

Okay. So for this particular speaker, let's have their trail. Yeah. And then we'll put it back. Great. Thanks.

And then Jennifer Hemman will be after Alexis.

Good evening, commissioners. My name is Alexis Rouchfus. I'm president of the American River Parkway Volunteer Question Trail Patrol.

And just a couple of thoughts when you have cars and horses, you need to slow down to about 10 miles per hour.

The distance between a horse and a car needs to be at least six six and a half feet. And in consideration of that, I took some measurements while I was out sailor bar.

So the total width of one section of the throw affair, the trails that she's talking about opening up two roads, is approximately 24 feet width.

And if you've taken an account, the total width of a horse and rider or a horse drawn wagon, it's 7.2 feet.

Add that to the recommended minimum distance between the horse and the car, that's 6.5 feet.

You add that to the total width of a motor vehicle, including mirrors, that's approximately 10.1 feet.

The escape area distance needed for a horse is about 20 feet. So all told, that's 44 feet.

And 24 feet is not enough for a safe area for the horses.

The other thing that I would like to bring up is that there are a series of cables along the pathways.

Most of them are difficult to see. They're gray, silver, flexible, they're about a half inch cable, about 0 to 2 feet tall.

Most of them are hanging that way. That's not high enough. It needs to be at least just high, at least 3 feet, 5 inches for a 14.3 hand horse.

So you could get serious horse injuries, leg and tango months, and serious injuries are death to the horse and rider.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Liz may I have your map in case mine doesn't come up well. Do you have the map of the?

I'm going to start by using my not very professional map here just to show, and I will compare it to the one that was shown earlier.

Hi, my name is Jennifer Hemman, and I just want to speak to you about some of the reasons why we feel this is an entirely from a financial and environmental analysis perspective with all due respect.

It's entirely unsupported by the public, by the Sacramento Disability Advisory Committee, and it runs counter to the intent of the American Reparquay Plan.

Additionally, it's being presented as contingent on only one alternative, which runs counter to CEQA, and that alternative is allowing public car use on the gravel lineman that are in protected areas and adjacent to protected areas.

It seems that the opening of the interior to sailor bar is to cars as the main goal here, with no regard for the communities, including the disabled communities, who are united against it.

This is not a divided, this is a united frontier.

I want to show one thing as a runner for a long time in this park, that when you put cars on this alignment, which I can also show you here,

when you put cars on this alignment, you've severed any way to access turtle pond to the river.

There's no way to get from one point to the other. Go and walk it, go and run it, you cannot get there.

So you have severed all foot access without cars, all the question access without cars.

Your only other option is to go along the paved road, where cars routinely go 35, there are many speeding incidents on that road.

So you cannot get from A to B, that makes no sense. The disabled community relies on this road to walk and use their wheelchairs, yes, and a man 85 years old with two canes.

He relies on this road to make a loop, to make a loop to go around. When you sever access from point A to point B, that makes no sense.

The current use right now is a trail, putting cars on this puts everyone at danger and it's severed the ability to go from this point to this point.

Irvigar, this is the fact that there's, that's not even a real word, there's no gate here to keep people from going to where the act of recurring nest is.

So with all due respect, this is unprotected, this sever is used from A to B, and there is no other alternative alignment to do that.

You can go out there and walk at yourself and you will see. So the, not the ADA plan right now is a pipe dream, the feasibility of that from an environmental perspective to provide access along the cliff with railings, with the grading, with the heavy equipment, there are mature oaks, there's active rookries.

There's no way it's feasible from a financial or environmental perspective to build that. What they're going to be left with is an open parking lot, lots of the loop and cars.

Thank you.

I had two for Robert Snyder, so we'll call him just once. And then the next after this for item five, or he had two with both three and five written on both of them.

We'll call him for three if he chooses and then Cheryl Katerbaugh, I think is the last name, that'll be the next speaker after that.

All the per till number five.

Cheryl Katerbaugh is next, and then after that, Tom Bigloney.

I thank you for having us. I just want to speak from the heart. Okay. And I'm all I'm going to say, every person in here loves sailor bar.

We love it with all of our hearts. It's, it's our refuge. It's, it's our way to ground ourselves in this crazy world. And if you don't think it's a crazy world, I don't know where you are.

Opening up the, the concept plan that you have presented Miss Bellis, it's in many ways it's a wonderful plan. We all want disabled people to be out there. Absolutely. That is not the issue here.

But the issue is opening our roads. There's got to be another way to do it. I walked that road today and I was in tears because I thought, this is going away. This is going away.

I think the decision's been made. I feel like we are just here to show us what's in your, when our hearts. So thank you for listening.

Good evening. I'm Tom, Billy, you know, the G silent like in, uh, Lasagna.

I have to keep reminding folks. I'm here tonight to remind you about something else, the parkway. The parkway was was created for the people of Sacramento.

But that's one perspective. Another perspective is it was created to retain and preserve habitat for wildlife so close to us here in the city that we could still appreciate and enjoy.

There are two perspectives to this. In fact, there are many perspectives to it. I'd like to say that no one here, I'm sure, wants to do anything or would everyone here would like to do something to improve access to the parkway to all individuals regardless of their mobility or other abilities.

What I'm speaking about is, and speaking to is the continued intrusion of automobiles in the parkway. We drive our automobiles to get to the parkway. I live in Midtown and I'd like to go to Sailor Bar. Typically I'm going there to canoe, but I also walk and bird there.

And of course it's a long drive. It's a long distance. I'm going to drive. But automobiles bring with them noise. Not just the noise from the automobile, but the noise from the people and the radios in the car.

We've got parking areas in Sailor Bar now. Let's use them because the wildlife and the birds are driven out by noise. And if you go visit the more active areas where automobiles and radios and boom boxes are, you'll find out that birds don't like them.

The bird count is much lower in the high use areas. All we're asking is limit the automobiles to the existing areas. Leave the trails open for the quiet and the peace that we all go there for, including the birds. Thank you.

Next speaker is Bruce Foreman. And then after that I have Robin, maybe Cal's Burke, but they just said sailor bar. So I don't know if they want three or five or both three and five.

Good evening. I and friends of sailor bar are strongly in favor of improving accessibility at sailor bar. The trail I proposed to county parks in May offers high quality accessible recreation without a need for a road opening.

This former road has become a trail and well utilized for some is the only hiking access to sailor bar. Having worked on three accessible trails for the Department of Fish and Wildlife, I have various concerns about the county's trail plan.

Number one public safety. It is far too dangerous crossing Illinois Avenue. I have kayak there are a lot plus hike much and see speed lots. A semi-blind road dip at the exact crossing, heavy road shoulders most of the day, road shadows most of the day and not any road shoulder at the trail head.

We'll cheer as are low. So this is a lethal recipe. Did the trail designer not see this dangerous spot? Second is resource protection. It's lacking. The long river blood presents threats to salmon via trench deep trench social pass to the river. Typically happens everywhere. There's a parking lot along the parkway. This commutative erosion suffocates eggs salmon eggs. There's prime spawning beds here. Number one in the whole river this area here.

The trail cuts right by a heron recovery. Hikers can cause nest colony abandonment. I know I worked on research on herons. Did their designer not see this recovery? And their trail brings visitors right by the my due grinding rocks. This exposure as a lure increases risk to these important rocks. Low lung creates erosion into salmon nest and accidents from steep tumbles which I've seen.

I know there's a lot of people I know down there think it's very scenic. Next is habitat diversity habitat and scenic diversity it's it's poor in the plan. Visitors like this and seek it out this diversity they like loops to my trail loops on a gravel road to a meadow then returns the Illinois lot. This brings floral display and the hawks foraging delight hikers. Thank you.

Thank you.

Hey Bill. I didn't catch the last commenters name I apologize just the last person here. Yeah, gentlemen, I just spoke I apologize.

Okay, so you can speak on three and five or just just three just three. Okay, and then after Robin will be Paul Miller.

Hello, my name is Robin Calsbyck. I'm a resident of Fair Oaks a local businessman a father a board member of family free ride and a frequent user of sailor bar.

I'm also a cyclist and advocate for cycling infrastructure. Most people hate me actually because I am a cyclist.

Drivers, pedestrians, people on horses,

I've probably but heads with many people in this room today

on different issues.

I've listened to a wide range of opinions

from the public and various user groups

who value sailor bar, and I believe it's clear.

There is a strong unified opposition

to reopening these roads.

In my experience, I have rarely seen such a widespread

agreement across so many different communities and interests,

and I'm here just to call attention

to and reiterate these various groups.

The Disability Advisory Committee has proposed a plan,

and it's clear they do not want vehicular access

on the maintenance roads.

Instead, they seek infrastructure that allows them

to enjoy sailor bar without needing a car.

Granite Bay flycasters.

Flycasters, this group has raised concerns

not only about fishing access, but also about the potential

harm to fish habitats in the federally designated

wild and scenic river.

Friends of sailor bar.

This group represents a broad spectrum of park users,

hikers, birders, horseback riders, dog walkers, families,

all of them are opposed to opening the maintenance roads

to vehicles.

Their collective voice speaks volumes.

I want to add one more voice to the choir.

As a board member of Family Freeride,

a nonprofit dedicated to getting more kids on bikes,

I can speak to how sailor bar serves as one of the few

safe places for children and families to ride their bikes.

Woo!

Woo!

Woo!

Re-opening the roads would place children and families

at risk destroying a vital resource in our community.

I urge you to consider how rare it is for the public,

representing such a broad spectrum of backgrounds and interests

to come together in agreement.

This is a unified call from your constituents.

Keep the roads closed.

Please listen to us and prioritize the preservation of sailor

bar as a wilderness space free from the intrusion of cars.

Thank you.

Applause

After Paul Miller will have Alan Friedman.

I've got to raise myself.

I can read you over there.

Is that good?

Good evening, commission members.

My name is Paul Miller.

I am the president of the Sacramento Audubon Society and the chair

of the accessibility committee for the society.

I have a 30-year background in transportation planning,

so this is very familiar to me.

What we're missing here is an alternative analysis.

Liz has one alignment.

All the years that I've done studies,

there has never been just one alignment.

There's always various alignments.

So that is missing in the planning process.

Probably will be picked up, but that's what I'm recommending.

So one of those alignments is road A.

And that would be an accessible trail on road A.

The concept would be, and because you have a gravel road,

so a accessible trail needs four inches of gravel,

and then two inches of either asphalt concrete

or compressed fine gravels.

So it's an affordable or a cost-effective alignment.

And I'm hoping that it gets included in the study

of the accessible trails.

But I think it precludes and should be the agreement

to open the road should be delayed until that analysis is done.

The Disability Advisory Commission put together

a wonderful motion.

And in that motion, they're recommending

additional planning along with the delay of opening the road.

So again, thank you.

I'd lead birding trips.

I cannot lead any birding trips on the American River.

So I love the idea of accessible trails.

I know as it goes forward, there'll be additional alternatives.

But opening the road A now is premature.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Madam Chairman, my name is Alan Friedman.

I live in Farrokes.

I was the Chief Information Officer

for California State Parks for 12 years.

So I know a little bit about park operations.

I appreciate your comment about being respectful,

and especially in terms of limiting our comments today.

But I need to tell you from a procedural standpoint

that this process really hasn't been respectful.

You just heard, you got two minutes with Bruce Foreman

and two minutes with Paul Miller.

And the Disability Advisory Committee

gave them each 15 minutes because those guys

have a hell of a lot to say.

They are incredibly talented, particularly

in the area of accessibility.

And you guys were denied an opportunity.

The director didn't really give you

a good overview of what they proposed.

And so you've been denied an opportunity

to really hear other alternatives to the plan

that has been proposed by regional parks.

So I would hope that you would take the time

to do a more thorough job.

Call these gentlemen back and get a better briefing

on other alternative plans for accessibility access

at Sailor Bar.

I have a lot of comments about the safety issues

related to road A. Because your regional park staff

has cherry-picked data from the reports

and presented that as evidence that it's safe to walk down

road A when cars are going to be creating dust clouds.

I actually brought some dust masks.

I'll give you the commission a set of five

because if you open up the road, you are going to be exposed

to dust.

And it doesn't matter if the dust doesn't include mercury.

It doesn't matter if the dust doesn't include asbestos.

Dust is incredibly dangerous.

Lots of people in Sacramento have asthma.

They have respiratory conditions.

Any amount of dust doesn't help the respiratory system.

And so to be, you're concerned about the safety

of those stairs at the flagpole.

The dust that everyone will breathe of,

if cars are allowed down that road

is going to be much more harmful to much more people.

I'll talk more about that.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Thank you.

We have Jody King.

It says Sailor Bar.

And I think there was a three and then maybe a seven,

but there is no seven.

So I don't know if she wants to speak on five.

You were a six.

I didn't know what number to write.

I don't see the piece.

Do you want to speak on five on the other Sailor Bar item as well?

I'm going to speak on the Sailor Bar.

Right, but there's two separate items regarding the Sailor Bar.

Do you want to speak on both of them?

Or do you only speak on this one?

I want to speak on both.

On both?

OK.

But just put you on both.

That's fine.

Mark Berry and Brenda Gustin will be the last two.

Those are the last two after this.

Thank you, part commissioners.

And thank you, Liz, for wanting to do accessible trails.

We the people who are 6,000 petitioners

and community organizations, including Trout Unlimited,

Granite Bay Fly Catchers, Sierra Club Sacramento,

Sacramento Audubon Society, California Council

for the Blind, Sacramento County Disability Commission,

Save the American River Association,

the American River Parkway Volunteer Equestrian Patrol,

that country horsemen of public lands

and mother load and now family free ride,

strive to keep public motor vehicles out of the interior

of Sailor Bar.

Our expressed concerns in summary,

you will have heard more of and have heard today

include risk of fires, criminal activity,

unsafe recreational use for persons with disabilities,

equestrian writers, and dog walkers, and more.

Unhealthy conditions, noncompliance

with the American River Parkway Plan,

disruption of wildlife,

and imaging of quality experience in nature,

and other concerns, given that there has not been

any consequential impact expressed

for keeping public motor vehicles out of the interior

of Sailor Bar, nor has there any public support

for allowing public motor vehicles into the interior

of Sailor Bar.

We respectfully assert the will of the people,

two, one, permanently keep the interior of Sailor Bar

free from motor, public motor vehicles,

and two, adopt the recommendation,

put forth by the Disability Advisory Commission

as submitted.

Applause.

Hello, good evening.

My name is Mark Barry, and I'm a member

of the American River Parkway Advisory Committee

or ARPAC.

On February 7th, we, during the ARPAC meeting,

the Sailor Bar ADA concept plan was presented,

and despite a lack of a quorum, the meeting continued,

and the primary concern raised was the proposed

of vehicle or access to the River West parking lot via

what I guess is called the gravel road A.

Now, the parking area design, as we could tell from that,

was one designated ADA stall, and the gravel road opening

is a prerequisite for that car park to be accessible

by all sorts of other vehicles.

Now, the claim that the gravel road at Sailor Bar has been

closed to access since 29 is a mischaracterization.

In reality, the roads have remained open for recreational use

while being free from the hazards and disruptions

of vehicle or traffic.

Now, in looking at this plan, a key contradiction

of this concept plan is that the very community

reported to benefit from the road opening,

people with disability have voiced opposition to the plan

because they want a natural experience without cars.

The Disability Advisory Committee explicitly stated

that they want to continue the closure of all the existing

vehicle roads in Sailor Bar that are proposed to be reopened,

and number two, preparing consultation with friends

of Sailor Bar, comprehensive evaluation of the concept plan.

So it is clear that the individuals with disability's

prefer an alternative that does not involve the introduction

of vehicle or traffic, which would degrade the park

natural experience for them.

So what is access in the natural parkway?

That's what they want, not just a parking lot next to the river.

So I urge the commission to reject the portion

of the Sailor Bar ADA concept plan that in order to be feasible

requires the opening of a gravel road to vehicle or traffic

and pursue a more inclusive plan that takes into account

the Disability Advisory Committee's concerns

with the more natural experience.

Thank you very much.

And I do have one that was turned in after, and I said,

we only had two more.

How do I do this?

Oh.

Let's sit down.

Yes, sit down.

There you go.

OK.

I'll try to do this two handed thing.

Put the mother one down.

Hi.

I'm in native of Sacramento, and 6,000 people

are in favor of enhancing accessibility,

yet stand strong with evidence that the health and safety

of all, including wildlife and the habitat,

is being disregarded.

The very people espoused to be recipients of ADA improvements

are clearly voicing how they can be properly served,

which does not include re-opening of this gravel road

to vehicles.

There's no research evidence presented

that increased vehicular access is needed or even requested,

and in fact, the opposite is true.

The voice of people throughout Sacramento County

and those who visit from other places

strongly oppose their reopening to protect this wildlife

sanctuary.

This is not a neighborhood issue.

The agenda packet presented to the American River Parkway

Advisory Committee on February 7th was incomplete,

and without a quorum present, no insights

or advisory comments have been provided.

Integral information of public outcry was absent.

More comprehensive information was provided for you tonight.

It was stated that re-opening of gravel road A

to vehicular traffic has nothing to do

with the recommended ADA improvements.

This is illogical.

Public vehicles on this road threaten the wildlife sanctuary

that cuts through the heart of this corridor.

And is scheduled for immediate reopening,

even though the public has created professional plans

to increase access without opening gravel roads for vehicles.

The RPAC deserves to receive the complete picture

of the effects these recommendations will cause

and weigh in before any decisions are made.

Since 2008, enjoyment by visitors

has increased with safe and positive experiences.

Families now walk on the gravel roads with strollers

and young children.

And elders or people with disabilities safely walk

without being pushed aside by vehicles.

As stewards for our parks, please vote

to oppose this concept.

Send it back for further refinement.

Let's create greater access and enhance the joy

at Sailor Bar.

Thank you.

APPLAUSE

My apologies.

I'm not sure whoever the last person was,

it turned it in.

I can't read the hand.

I'm not sure what the name is.

My apologies.

OK.

Go ahead and introduce yourself and then help

to the next one.

Go ahead.

Good evening.

My name is Anna Sanchez.

I am a need to tell you this, because I'm a family

and psychiatry nurse practitioner.

So I get the ones that get hit by cars

and the ones who need to walk for depression

and anxiety, COPD.

The big thing is this is cheap.

Walk is cheap.

You don't need anything.

I am old and I walk.

And I see a lot of people my age walking.

They don't go to the gym.

When I see patients walk, when I see people walking,

I go, yes, because so many things are being taken away

from us.

I'm not American.

And one of it, I love this.

Where we can say how we feel.

I don't think cars need to be there.

So many kids are around there.

So many animals.

No, there's no noise.

People can just walk for free.

Don't take this away from us.

So many things are being taken away from us.

Let us walk in peace.

APPLAUSE

And Lisa feels, I think I put her in the long,

I put her in the five pile.

I think we'll pile so many.

OK.

But I did want to go last.

So this works out well.

Thank you.

OK.

Hi.

I'm Lisa Fields speaking to you as a member of Friends of

Sailor Bar.

I'm also a professional biologist who has over 10 years of

experience working as part of the planning team on ADA

projects.

And I wanted to start by, so therefore, I really support ADA

access and improving people that need, that have disabilities

that don't require ADA access to get out to the parks.

But like everybody else, I'm really concerned about how this

is progressing.

And honestly, I'm tired of all the misleading statements

that we're getting.

I'm sorry, Ms. Bellas, but you've been

completing a lot of things and twisting a lot of

information.

In her report, she talked about how the DAC had a measure to

approve the plan.

What she didn't clarify is that the measure was to keep the

gates closed until things were determined and to consider

both the county's plan as well as the plan that Bruce and

Paul presented.

And so with that, and said that not, and I wanted to continue

with not, as this previous speaker said, not all

disabilities are visible and not all disabilities require

ADA access.

There's a lot of people that are using the existing roads

that as trails to just because they have limited

abilities.

And with that, said I really support keeping the gates, the

vehicle gates closed while this is resolved and making

sure that this gate here at the end of the river west

parking remains open.

I've emailed you multiple times to get that gate opened.

It is locked again.

And it's an interior, a lot of people talk about we can do

all sorts of great loops.

One of the things I do is I walk this a lot with a friend.

She can't be here tonight because she has two young

children.

She's home with them.

But we go out there with her kids in a stroller, get them

into nature.

They don't have their path.

They're electronics with them.

They're doing exactly what we want.

We go all the way out here, come back three quarters of

the way through.

There's a locked gate and we can't get past it with the

stroller because there's no way to get around if you have any

limited access because you're picturing it.

There is a huge berm that goes around there.

So all of these roads, they don't meet ADA access but they

do serve a lot of people with limited abilities.

And I lost my time.

Sorry.

Thank you.

One more thing.

One ADA stall is required for that parking lot.

So you're going to take all of this away for one ADA

parking stall.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Okay.

It's my understanding that that concludes public comment on

this item.

So I'm going to ask my fellow commissioners that anybody

would like to speak on the item or discuss.

I'll just say quickly because I think we should we should

comment on the work that you've done.

I thank you for all the comments.

There's a lot of interest around the ADA.

This is a conceptual plan right now.

We all know that conceptual plans are just that.

They're conceptual plans that can change in many, many

different ways and input from the community is always good

for that.

So thank you for your input and we'll move on to the next

thing.

I guess.

So thanks, Becky.

So, Madam Chair, I just want to understand how we're

handling this.

We're being asked to vote on item three which is the ADA

conceptual plan which as I understand it relies

essentially on the opening of that gravel road but then we

have a separate agenda.

Point of order.

Go ahead, just a point of order.

You are not asked to vote on this item.

You are asked to provide your input and feedback and approval of

the concept in your remarks meaning just what commissioner

Hamburg stated that he approves the concept of an ADA trail

and looks forward to future iterations and as the process

evolves.

May I, I want to make sure, I'm sorry, I want to make sure I'm

understanding what I'm being asked to hear.

Am I endorsing the plan that County Parks staff put in this

binder or am I endorsing the general concept of ADA access

at Sailor Bar?

Those are two different things that I want to know what I'm

being asked to, as sent to at this meeting.

You are asked to endorse the concept of an ADA trail not

necessary list plan but provide your feedback and input on the

plan that was presented.

In clarification, there's no vote tonight.

Hold on, I'm trying to get clarification.

Am I being asked to vote on any specific item tonight?

The action summary is the only action item that is on your

agenda tonight.

Okay.

I think I can provide some clarity.

They're receiving our input.

So do we like the idea of the plan?

Do we have any recommendations for alterations of the plan?

It's not a set plan so it'll go through several more processes in

the, let me go first and see if that helps.

Does that sound okay?

That would be great.

Thank you.

So, so as a whole concept, I, I'm very excited about the idea

that we're looking for ways to provide more access to Sailor

Bar.

I've only been out there a couple of times.

I really enjoyed it.

And I do hear what's being said.

I hear concerns about some noise violation.

I hear concerns about limiting the loop that is an option for

a question, bikes, wheelchair users.

For, I see that there's kind of competing desires here.

But I think that on a conceptual level, bringing more ADA access to that site and, and I'm

excited about the, I forgot, I wrote the name of it right here.

The right to hear program, I think those things sound fantastic.

My feedback is that I would love to see some more investigation into the alternate analysis,

the alternate, I've heard of John alternative analysis to the plan that turns road A into

a multi-use wide road that would provide ideally accessibility, equestrian and pedestrian

and bicycle use.

I understand that it's historically been used as a road.

And I really appreciate the fact that the park planning department has made multiple adjustments

already to this plan.

For example, you've made plans to protect some firt habitats.

You've made sure that there wasn't any through access to create traffic.

So I just want to appreciate the work that you've done.

Thank everybody for their feedback.

I learned a lot listening.

I know I kept it to two minutes, but I don't want just the experts to override the people.

I want to hear from everybody.

And I believe that I did hear from you.

And so my personal advice is to continue to visit some alternate options for road A.

And with that consideration out there, I really do support your efforts to create ADA access.

And I appreciate that everybody's effort in continuing to take feedback and keep working

through this.

Thank you for your work.

And then do you want to comment kind of, does that understand what I think should be?

Thank you.

I want to, I'm trying to get there, folks.

I want to, we're in a difficult situation from my perspective because of the structure

of the agenda.

So I'm not loving this.

So what I'd like to ask you is, is there going to be a presentation on item five, and will

there be additional public comment?

So could, so we're not being asked to vote on anything on item three.

Where does that?

We're just asked to give feedback on what do you think of the ADA plan?

And for the most part, it's great.

There's a little bit of a concern with it, but so much of it is great.

And so, yeah.

That's great.

So then I would like to give conceptual feedback.

Oh, no, this is for the members of that commission.

Let us work through this, please.

So conceptual feedback on the ADA plan.

So I was out there this morning.

I, I, I, every one of these this morning.

I, maybe saw some of you out there.

It would be desirable for additional ADA access out there.

I think there's a reasonable concern raised by members of the committee.

And I think in my own experience, my feedback is to return that gravel road to autos for

the purpose of getting one ADA space all the way down by the river.

I understand that concern.

So I have additional concerns about item five that are not addressed here, but I do understand

that concern about whether how that loop is completed in the, if that road is open to

vehicular traffic.

So I do understand, so my feedback to staff is I do understand that concern.

I didn't hear much comment about the proposed loops that county staff proposed.

And I wondered if anyone had thoughts about the actual trails that were proposed that we

wanted to put on the record.

We didn't really hear any comment about the loops that were proposed.

With the exception of road A, setting aside the road A.

So you're talking about that additional loop that comes around.

Can we put the picture back up for a second?

I apologize, Bruce did talk about that.

Thank you.

This isn't, is unfortunately this is not a back and forth discussion yet.

I was a question asked this now.

I'm going to turn it over.

Oh, okay.

Did you do you want to ask him?

That's okay.

If anyone has, I do understand there's an alternate proposal.

I did review it.

I didn't hear if any member of the public had comment about the loops county staff proposed

that were supposed to be ADA accessible loops.

I would love to hear a minute of comment about that.

Okay, let's.

Okay.

We're going to ask you to come up for one more minute, please.

Is that allowed?

Yeah.

No, Bruce.

Okay.

And specifically to address the ADA loop that we're talking about.

Thank you.

All right.

Chair, I would ask them.

Yes, I looked at and I walked in small ADA loop that the county has proposed.

My assessment from having done trail planning for the Department of Fish and Wildlife is a

very inferior trail.

Yes, you can call it accessible.

And then maybe a lot of people are going to be happy.

Walk the trail with very thinly willows and you're within a short distance from that

parking lot.

You can hear cars most of the time you're on a trail.

The trail is a monoculture of willows.

I've walked it.

You're not going to get much diversity of wildlife.

It's only there because the parking lot is there.

It's not a good place for a trail.

It's really close to parking lot.

So let's do it there and call it accessible and everyone will be happy.

No, you look at what would be really good for quality recreational experience and where

that would be placed with low impact upon the environment.

That is not the place I would put it there.

That's one minute, okay?

Thank you.

Thank you.

Chair, if the speaker would like his name recorded, we don't know who he is.

If you would like to have his name recorded.

Thank you.

Thank you, Bruce.

Do you have more questions?

And would you have more feedback or comments?

You're on still.

Will the way this agenda is structured, will there be an opportunity for public comments

and commissioner comments on item five?

Okay, then I'll have my comments tied in five.

Okay, commissioners, is there any more feedback to provide?

Go ahead.

So Dan, where did Dan go?

Not the first time I've been turned off by microphone.

First off, I'd like to thank everyone for coming.

Truly whenever people show up, you know it's an exciting issue and it shows, you know,

democracy and action and I just love to see it action.

Thanks staff for coming up with this substantial document for us to read and understand.

But fool my understanding is we're supposed to talk about what we like about this conceptual

plan.

We're not going to vote on the conceptual plan.

Okay, so approval to me is sort of an odd word because it applies that you're saying,

yeah, I like it.

But you're just, but I've never heard of an item and I've been here 20 something years

where I said conceptually talk about this.

But I understand, okay, I'm just going to cross out by saying we're approval because

that's confusing a lot of people.

So we're just talking about this plan.

And in talking about this, been out there, gorgeous place.

And specifically, the little trail, the one going by the river marked up in what is

it, green and yellow, trail two.

That needs to be, I think that should be reworked or figured out maybe a better place, something

because I'm hearing it's not the best place for it.

There could be maybe perhaps there's better places.

So I'd say, hey, let's check that out, see what else we can come up with.

And that's by done talking.

Okay.

So I think this is, we're at the beginning of developing ADA access.

It sounds like throughout the parkway.

And I think that's wonderful.

I think walking along the river is something that people have already talked about is a calming

thing.

Being that way, I think I have also walked that trail.

Is it perfect?

No.

Can it be made better?

Yes.

I think the putting people that have a little harder time getting around close to the river

is just going to be calming to them.

Just as everybody says, it's calming to you as you're next to the river.

So I do like that loop and or that trail.

I do like the loop for somebody who wants a little further walk or however they want

to get out there.

I see that it's basically separate from road A. We're going to talk about road A in more

detail.

I don't think it's dependent on road A. I think it on the ADA concept can be done with

or without road A.

And so I'm strongly for the concept here.

I'm strongly for ADA access to other locations.

We've already heard another one down in the city of Sacramento.

And it sounds like we'll probably see two, three, four more coming in the next couple

of years.

So I'm pretty jazzed about that.

I'm pretty healthy today.

My knees are holding out.

They're probably good for another 20 years and then that's going to be about the end

of it.

But sorry for the levity.

Not for it.

The lack of.

But in any event, I want to see this continue on.

And let's pick the best place and work with our community disabled and otherwise to make

this happen.

Let's go for it.

Let's do it.

I guess I have one more question.

As I have walked it, there initially this entire road, the one closer to the river was

open to all the way driving through.

Is that correct?

With parking spaces or was it the next one up that I'm thinking of?

I guess I would like some more clarification by what you mean by that.

The 10, 15 years ago, you were able to drive from both of the current entrances to the

Sessaylor bar.

Yes.

There were gravel roads that were public roads that were available for people to drive

on from both the olive side and the Illinois side.

There are two gravel roads on the Illinois side and then there was one that went into the

interior from the olive access.

And at that time, so and then the initial plan that we brought had three different access

is we never discussed in all the way through plan.

But as we're discussing the ADA plan, I guess if trail 2 is built, trail 3 is still a viable

trail.

And that's what, right?

Without, without road A.

So the trails, so when we're talking about ADA access and we're focusing on trails 1,

2 and 3, my understanding is that all those trails provide access as is if we just sort

of ignore the roads or we just look at the existing roads.

Is your question, could the ADA trail be built without the gravel road?

Yes.

The answer to that is yes.

Okay.

Okay.

Thank you.

Do you need any more feedback from us?

So I appreciate your feedback and I appreciate the feedback from the community.

Okay.

So I think we're going to move on to the next item.

And again, we appreciate everyone's feedback.

If you stick around, there's more discussion about this area coming up in a moment.

Okay.

Action item number four is the approval of the regular, the approval of the January 23rd

regular meeting, action summary.

And I do have a change to that.

I don't have it right in front of me, but I know that the meeting schedule was altered slightly

because we decided to move the November meeting into early December.

So somebody can save me and tell me what that portion was.

And maybe we just changed that too that we approved the schedule as amended.

I mean, I'd make that motion.

Okay.

Could you make it?

Yeah.

I move that we approve the action summary from the January 23rd, 2025 meeting.

The amendment I would make was to amend item three to indicate that we moved one of the

meetings.

So it was approved as amended.

Is that what you're looking for?

Okay.

Do I have a second?

I'll second our motion.

Take a vote.

Point of order, Chairperson, you can call the vote.

Oh.

All right.

We just all vote.

Okay.

All in favor?

Hi.

Hi.

Okay.

Motion passes.

We'll do the research final with the exact date was.

Okay.

Thank you.

Thanks.

Would you have any action items for the fishing game?

No.

We do not.

And we have no discussion items.

We do not.

Items information items, orally.

And we move on to information items written, which is item number five.

Okay.

Thank you.

Thank you.

I'm going to go ahead and leave this map up just so people have a map to use as a visual.

The other item on tonight's agenda related to sailor bar is a receive and file report on

the reopening of gravel roads of sailor bar.

Last year, the department presented a report to the recreation park commission which outlined

the deferred maintenance work completed and planned as well as a plan to reopen all informal

roads within sailor bar at both the olive and Illinois accesses consistent with the board

adopted sailor bar area plan in the American River Parkway plan.

Following this meeting, staff were informed that the friends of sailor bar had retained

legal counsel.

Regional parks have corresponded and met with friends of sailor bar and their counsel

on several occasions since that time.

The gravel roads originally proposed to reopen are identified for such use in the American

River Parkway plan.

And although this action would not usually require environmental review pursuant to

sequa, county staff conducted sequa review to ensure that none of the triggers requiring

supplemental or subsequent review would occur.

County staff prepared a sequa addendum to the American River Parkway plan update environmental

impact report and this addendum is included as attachment to this receive and file report.

County planning and county council are present tonight to address any questions from commission

members.

In addition, we have received a response letter from friends of sailor bar counsel on this

environmental review.

This was emailed directly to your commission members.

If you did not receive it, please let me know.

We will ensure that you get a copy.

And planning and environmental review staff have prepared a response letter to this which

was provided to your commission tonight.

These unimproved gravel roads which have existed and been in use since the 1970s were closed

when they were drastic reductions to the park staffing levels.

Since that time, the board of supervisors have made several augmentations to the maintenance

and ranger staff for regional parks.

Staffing augmentations have taken place over the last few budget years and having a greater

staffing level allows us to complete many of our deferred maintenance projects, operate

at a higher maintenance level and better patrol or parks, including addressing impacts of

homeless encampments.

The 2008 Parkway Plan update involved extensive public outreach and community input which

took place over several years.

During this process, the narrative for the sailor bar area plan was updated to remove the

caretaker facilities, the placement of an interpretive center, corporation yard, and

several formerly turfed picnic areas to what is present now, which does not include

the caretaker facilities or any of the other items listed earlier and also has a reduced

number of turfed areas.

What did remain consistent was the approved use of the gravel roads and the informal parking

areas.

Regional parks originally intended to reopen both the all of access and the Illinois

Avenue access to the public, the gravel roads.

The Addendum provided therefore analyzes the reopening of all of these access roads from

both entry points.

Acknowledging and taking into consideration concerns expressed by the friends of sailor

bar group and other members of the public last year, we are only opening one gravel access

road at Illinois Avenue and will keep the Westerly gravel roads located off all of Avenue

closed to vehicular traffic except for maintenance and law enforcement.

Gravel Road A is the road we intend to reopen.

It is approximately 0.35 miles in length and includes access to the River West parking

area.

The remaining gravel roads, totaling approximately 2.93 miles in length, well-remain closed

to vehicular traffic, again except for maintenance and emergency vehicles.

This gravel road is an important means for persons with limited mobility to be able to

access the river for walking, fishing and enjoyment of the river.

Unfortunately not everyone is as able body as to park in the upper parking areas and walk

the distance to the river.

It is not intended at this moment as a trail but rather as a means for people to have

better access to the river and the walking trails that exist.

Speed limit signs will be placed along the gravel road with speed limitations lower than

typical park roads.

As with all our park facilities, regional parks will patrol and monitor this area and address

issues which may arise.

A gate will be installed to prevent vehicles entering the gravel road to the east of gravel

road A. Right here.

This that road, that gravel road leads to a rickery as well as bedrock mortars.

Educational signs about nesting birds, including the importance of keeping dogs on leash, will

be developed and installed in this area.

We will be completing the notice of determination within the next few weeks on the addendum and

would open the road sometime after that action is complete.

So this is not an action item for the commission.

However, I do know that we have public comment and of course if there is any comment or questions

from the commission, I would ask for that now.

Yet why are you still up there?

I do have a question.

The width of that road would it allow for cars and equestrian use simultaneously safely?

The widest part of the road is about 34 feet and the narrowest part of the road that we

measured today was about 27.

So if a horse was walking one way, a car was driving another way.

Is that generally a safe situation?

So I'm asking Liz, that it will be closed for equestrian use because of the vehicles.

So currently, let me get another exhibit for you just one moment.

Yeah, thanks.

Maybe the expanded question is, is that road designated for equestrian use or is it just

informally used by equestrians because of the current closed condition?

The attachment five to the previous report item, is this higher definition map from the

American New Reparque plan and as you can see here, the equestrian trail portion of gravel

road A. Is this section from here to here?

The remaining section of gravel road A is not a part of the equestrian or hiking trail.

Can equestrian, is the trail, I'm sorry, further from the river, that's equestrian accessible

as well?

Can I make a, be a little more specific please?

We have two sort of trails, two kind of longer trails going from the two parking lots.

The one further from the river is equestrian accessible all the way through, is that correct?

Yeah, just put your finger, yeah.

I guess.

I'm sorry.

Thank you, why don't you see if you can.

Oh, I can try that.

I don't want to point out what you're not talking about so if you.

I got you.

What do I do with this?

There's just a little button on top.

Or Commissioner, hurts if you like to come down here and point out I got a map sort of

no.

Oh my gosh.

It might not be visible.

I think it is.

I think I can see that there's the horses up there.

If you would like to come down here and point on the map that would possibly be helpful

because I want to make sure I'm answering your question appropriately.

All right.

Okay.

Okay.

First point to the back.

Wow, this is equestrian.

Correct.

That is equestrian hiking trail.

This is not.

That is also equestrian hiking trail.

So equestrian this way, this way, this way, this will be.

That will be a question trail.

That is also this part.

That part is not.

The cars are actually right here.

This is the non-question.

This will become non-question or isn't a question.

That is non-question.

That would be the gravel.

That's the thinner portion of the track.

That would be a portion of the gravel road

that would be reopened.

The other gravel road, why that leads

to the bedrock motors and the rookery,

is also a question trail.

This is a question trail.

This part of the thicker road.

And so this is part of the gravel road

and also the a question trail.

So there's dual use right in this small section right here.

All right.

I'm not wearing a car.

I'm not wearing a car.

I'm not wearing a car.

I'm not wearing a car.

I'm not wearing a car.

And so from June until May, I said for the road,

I'm not wearing a car.

I know.

No, we are not.

I didn't get to make that everybody's so much pretty tough.

I believe there was a question in the audience

that I did want to address.

They are under the misconception that we

would be opening that secondary gravel road

from July through December.

And that was part of the original plan last year.

The plan has been amended.

We are only opening the one gravel road.

Not that one.

And how many parking spaces are at the end of the road?

That would vary on how people park because it's not

a lined parking space.

Approximately?

It is in the report.

I don't have it right.

I don't have it.

It's OK.

It's a system in the report that was presented to you earlier.

OK.

Do any other commissioners have questions right now

before we take public comment?

No, I'll say my comments later.

Thank you.

I will leave both of these up there

for people to utilize as needed.

Thank you.

I think we're ready for public comment.

So we're going to keep it to two minutes again.

We'll just do your best to be concise when you speak.

OK.

All right.

First we have Sarah Pickering Pick.

And then after that is I think Kathy Sachin's SACHEN.

Maybe.

Hi, my name is Sarah Pickering Pick.

I am a very frequent walker at Sailor Bar.

I've been there for over 20 years walking.

And I'll just speak plainly.

No one wants this.

It's frankly mystifying and insulting

to hear Miss Bellis and members of the commission

say this group will benefit when no one wants this.

I walk there at least once a day, often twice a day.

I've spoken to every single person.

I am such an annoyance.

I have spoken to every single person.

I encounter down there no one wants this.

People who used to party down there in the 70s,

they are even saying no, it's so great now.

After the roads were closed, after the pedestrian paths

were closed, it is now safe for families,

safer walkers.

The disabled community is completely behind us.

You guys have not done your outreach.

How dare you say this group will benefit, this group will benefit.

When Friends of Sailor Bar has done the work,

has done the outreach, found an amazing community

of people in the area and abroad who were saying,

do not open the roads to cars.

No one wants this.

APPLAUSE

After Kathy will be Charlie Solt.

Hello, I'm Kathy Sage and I'm the vice chair

of the Sacramento County of Disability Advisory Commission.

And I've been asked to actually read the motion

that into record for all of you.

So we do want to thank Liz for the presentation

that she did on February 4th.

It was very informative.

And she was very gracious to hear everyone out.

So it is the Sacramento County Disability Advisory Commission

position that the Sacramento County Department

of Regional Parks do the following.

Continue the closure of all existing maintenance

and emergency vehicle roads in Sailor Bar

that are proposed to be reopened

to public comprehensive evaluation

of all concept plans has been performed.

Number two, prepare a consultation with friends

of Sailor Bar, a comprehensive evaluation

of two concept plans, 2025 Sailor Bar ADA Conception Plan

and Sailor Bar All-Person's Trail Vision Plan.

The process is to involve the assessment of the costs

and benefits of each concept, option considering the factors

such as feasibility, environmental impact, safety,

accessibility for people with disabilities, social equity

and aesthetics.

Three, solicit during the posted public comment period

written input from the public in response

to the draft comprehensive evaluation report.

During the public comment period, it is

advisable that the Department of Regional Parks

also hold the public hearing to receive oral input

from the community.

The public comment should be part of the comprehensive

evaluation report so that as to gather and use the information

from the public in developing the final report.

Sorry, I'm running late.

Number four, include information from the public input

in the needed waiting of factors listed in number one.

Then each alternative concept plan

would be numerically ranked to determine a preferred plan.

Five, conduct, an independent evaluation

of competing, assistive navigation

and interpretive technology.

Right here and native lens as well as good maps

in the effectiveness in their use

along the proposed accessible nature trails in Sailor Bar.

I'm going to have to catch you.

But if there's somebody else from your organization,

you want to continue reading that part and they speak.

That's OK.

No, there isn't anyone here to do with me.

But we are in support of no vehicles being allowed in Sailor

Park.

Thank you.

After a speaker, we'll have Beatriz and then John Briggs.

Hi, I'm Charlie Salt.

I live in Faroq.

I use the park regularly.

Thank you for your service there as a board.

I know you're all volunteers up there doing the best you can

and appreciate that.

My son is blind.

My adult son is blind and intellectually disabled.

And we use that trail all the time.

It's probably the only trail in any park in our area

where he can actually walk without his cane

because I'm there with him.

And he can join the outdoors.

And we can do that loop.

And we use that loop.

Every day we use that loop.

If there are vehicles on that loop,

we're not going to be able to use that route any longer.

Or if we do, it's just not going to be the same by any means.

So to suggest that this is good for ADA, it's not.

It really isn't.

To look at the map, though, I got to say, the thing that caught

my attention is this red line.

That red line right there symbolizes blood, folks.

And because if you have $200,000 to spend,

fix that dam road, make areas on the side for people to walk.

There is none.

It's a big curb that goes down.

That would be a show of good faith that you're actually

that you're interested in the public and their safety

walking down that road.

I can't walk my son down that road.

I will not be able to walk my son down the other road.

Some of you already mentioned it.

Put a trail through for the people with disabilities.

That will solve this delay.

Nobody wants that.

People want to keep that gate closed.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Good evening.

My name is Beatriz.

Some people think I have some type of an accent.

So I'm here to speak on behalf of all the wonderful animals

who make cellar by their home.

I want to be their voice today.

They have no one to speak to them for them.

Every week a group of us walk at Cellar Bar

where we encounter deer, rabbits, coyotes, or type of birds

and even salmon.

We are in their domain.

So we do our best to respect their habitat.

Humans have a moral obligation to protect

nature in our animal friends.

More cars in Cellar Bar will put the beautiful creatures

that live their in danger.

Right now we are doing such a good job

of existing with nature and the animals

that we should keep up the good world that will be lost.

So please reconsider your position

into what is best for nature.

Not just for people.

It's always about people.

What about the animals?

They're not here tonight.

They couldn't be here.

They didn't want to be here.

But we're here for them.

So thank you.

Thank you.

APPLAUSE

After John, we have Alexis, Rautress again,

and then Alan Rhodes.

My name is John Briggs.

What I'm concerned about as the first issue is wildfire risk.

We have a new paradigm.

We're seeing urban wildfires.

This is new.

The reason for that is that the climate has changed.

No matter what the cause, we have extended droughts.

And so we have more fuel than we've ever had before.

Now, Cellar Bar has a unique geology

along the America River Parkway.

And the metro fire has characterized

Cellar Bar as the most severe fire risk on the parkway.

The reason for that is the bluffs.

They create natural chimneys.

There's ravines going up, which is going to draw a fire up.

And that needs to be analyzed here.

And it hasn't been done.

We have not heard any analysis of the impact

of introducing motor vehicles back into the interior

of the park in connection with fire risk.

Motor vehicles are inherently risky.

They start on fire.

Believe it or not, fuel system failures, catalytic converters,

and just overheating can cause fire.

We have a new factor.

And that's e-bikes and e-vies.

They have battery fires that nobody's

figured out how to put out.

So we're going to introduce a whole new level risk

that hasn't been looked at and needs to be looked at.

We also have a fuel there that's unique.

And that's the gray pine.

It's considered to be a ladder fuel.

And what happens is the needles under the pines

can ignite the fire climbs up the trees.

And they spread the embers out, long distances.

That winding way corridor is an urban forest.

It's at risk when you consider all of these factors.

So why increase the risk?

A risk analysis needs to be done.

The second point I want to make is I

don't understand the procedure here tonight.

Informational.

I don't know what that means.

What are you being asked to do?

The first time this issue came up, it was also informational.

This body has never been asked.

It's opinion on opening the roads and it should be.

Thank you.

I just wanted to speak to the HICULAR effects on the trails.

In particular, this trail up here, I rode that today.

I rode that just the other day.

Your maintenance vehicles created

ruts in the road that were this deep,

two to two and a half feet deep.

And then in several occasions, and it damaged the trail

that I use up here.

So that's an effect of your maintenance vehicles creating

damage all along this trail up here on the bluff.

The other thing is as an American river trail

patrol equestrian patrol, we clean up garbage.

We collected 1,600 pounds of garbage at River Bent.

Just last year.

If you bring in more vehicles, can you

imagine how much garbage people would

bring into that area?

In addition, I have a map of why I took a photo of the embankment

that is near the parking lot that you

wish to open for ADA access.

That cliff is a 15 to 20 foot drop from the top of the lookout

to the water.

Can you imagine how many people who are blind or in wheelchairs

could go off that bluff and injure themselves?

I am an EFR CPR first aid instructor.

By law, I am obligated to save these people.

I don't want to do that.

Thank you.

OK, I'm Alan Rhodes, Director Ballas,

commissioners.

Last Sunday, about 300 protesters,

myself included, walked the wide gravel trail that

has for over 15 years been off limits to automobiles.

About a third of the way along an elderly couple

slowed to stop because of the gentleman who

has Parkinson's disease was tired.

Before they turned back, I asked him whether he might

have been able to walk the distance if there were benches

or rest stops along the way.

He replied, yes, that would be he would like that.

I believe that well-spaced benches or rest areas

would allow the great majority of less able-bodied people

to reach the river bank on both forks of the road

and would help preserve the environment as well.

So access would be broader and include

a much larger portion of the river bank.

Donors, including myself, are standing by ready

to help pay for these real improvements.

The wide gravel trail that Director Ballas

wants to open to cars would become

the only known mixed-use road in the entire American River

Parkway.

There is no other third-mile gravel road

in the parkway that serves people, horses, and cars together.

Opening this trail to cars is a poor idea.

It would create unnecessary conflict between users,

between cars and walkers, between cars and horses,

between cars and less able-bodied people.

It would degrade habitat and threaten animals.

There are better alternatives.

Thank you.

APPLAUSE

Next speaker's last name is, I think, cue-bucker.

The first name starts with A and N,

and then I'm not sure after that.

And then John cue-bucker as well.

I'll be the next speaker.

It's Annapia.

It's kind of a weird name.

My apologies.

Anyway, hi, good evening, everybody.

So here's my question.

Why is the county ignoring the will of the voters?

APPLAUSE

A pre-determined outdated plan should never outweigh

the voices of the people today.

Time at time again.

We have raised concerns over and over and over again.

And yet we really don't receive a meaningful response.

There's really no explanation as to why the county refuses

to align with what the voters have made clear they want.

This isn't just a matter of opinion.

I mean, we've heard respected organizations,

the Audubon Society, Disability, Wildlife, Rescue,

Saracus Book, Early, Environmental Group.

Everybody has said allowing cars in Sailor Bar

is inappropriate.

The risks are clear.

Now, as a parent, I have felt safe allowing children

to explore, connect with nature here.

If cars are allowed, us families, we're not.

We're not going to feel that security anymore.

And instead of the children discovering

a love for the outdoors, children will be forced to just retreat

and losing them, losing an essential place to roam,

to learn, to grow, would not be good for the future.

Plan for the future, as the other gentlemen said.

Sailor Bar should be a sanctuary, not a parking lot.

Are we really the kind of community

that prioritizes convenience or money over conservation

that values cars more than quiet, that puts traffic

above the well-being of families, wildlife,

and future generations?

I don't understand this.

This decision defines who we are.

So let's listen to the voters, and there's many more,

and protect Sailor Bar.

So can we please just keep those cars out?

Yes.

APPLAUSE

That's OK.

Is this working?

My wife sets a high bar, so I'll do my best.

Thanks for listening to us.

I'd like to bring a one point, I think,

maybe it's different than anybody else has brought up.

Most people want to open up for ADA and people with disabilities.

I'm, of course, who wouldn't want to do that?

We open up that road, the gravel road, A, to cars.

I just off the top of my head can imagine you get

100 cars in there that doesn't have so many with disabilities.

It's just going to be drivers who want to come in.

So opening that road up, probably 1% are going to be disability

drivers, or looking for this access.

It doesn't serve the purpose for the whole community

to open this road up to cars when a tiny proportion

of them are going to be disability people.

So I think that has to be analyzed and looked at clearly

because we're missing, I think you're missing the point here.

A second thing I want to bring up is the idea of democracy.

Folks, I want to hear what you guys think.

You guys have our public servants.

You know policy.

You think deeply about how to analyze the public,

scientific input, thoughtful policy.

We don't get access to your thoughts.

I don't know what you folks are thinking or how you're evaluating.

There's been 20 or 30 or 40 points that are concerned,

heartfelt, intelligent public are brought up here.

And all we get is silence from you.

Your comments are such that they're very superficial.

If anything, it's a good idea.

Do this to that.

You don't even know what your roles are here, which to us,

the public is really confusing.

I'm not trying to deprecate you, but it does seem

confused.

That's how it's listening to us.

I would love it if there could be a dialogue.

Maybe the folks here or a chosen group could sit with you guys.

We have coffee, a couple of hours go back and forth.

Point by point go over it, have a dialogue, not to accuse you,

or ram it down your throats, but to have feedback.

I mean, maybe we're screwed up in terms of what we're thinking.

I'd like to know what you would counter.

How would you analyze and think are viewpoints?

Let's have a viewpoint.

And that could be written.

So anybody who can't be at these meetings or this meeting

could review it and look at it and understand it,

to get educated about this.

We have 6,000 people on the petition who don't want that road put in for cars.

It's a substantial amount of public opinion.

These people are thoughtful, elderly, concerned people

that are looking for the welfare of everybody.

And a higher level of dialogue would serve the community,

serve democracy, be an example of how you guys are

excellent at what your jobs are.

And I'd like to recommend that, please.

Thanks for listening.

So the next speaker card is actually Betsy Wheeling,

but she does not want to actually speak.

She just wanted her opposition to item number five

to be noted for the record.

Then we have Sally.

Yeah.

We'll go with yes.

I'm not sure.

A K-A-L-A.

Yeah.

OK.

And then Alexandria Hubert will be after her.

Thank you very much for everything you're doing.

You're working for an organization that obviously has an opinion.

You need to keep a job.

And you also have a viewpoint.

I've worked for the state.

And I've also worked for school districts.

I've been put in positions where my role,

according to my supervisors, was to present something.

And I knew what they wanted me to present.

I didn't necessarily agree with it,

but I gave them what they wanted.

I'm just going to leave it at that.

You guys, and I thank you.

And you guys, thank you for your service.

Who wants to be in politics today?

But I back with that other gentleman said,

but in a different format, you're

being presented with a question that you don't even

know what the question is because you're

talking amongst each other saying, well, what are they asking us?

What are we supposed to be telling them?

What are we commenting on?

Things have to be clear.

We don't need double speak.

You guys need a question that you can answer.

You're splitting this up into question three and question five

or question six.

We would like to look at this issue

and think about what's best for our community.

And we do that by asking clear questions

and giving presentations that are honest.

Thank you.

Before we call the next person, I am going to speak for a minute.

Just to sort of explain that we're in advisory commission.

So part of our conversation is to understand

what our level of authority is sometimes.

And so we're not.

We're here to hear your opinion.

Read all the opinions.

Offer some opinions and advise in most of these cases.

And that's sort of an in between government role.

We're actually here for this dialogue.

So if it seems like it's not a back and forth dialogue,

that's the structure of the government.

But this actually is what we're here for.

So we have a place to talk about this.

So I just want to be clear that we're not,

our time limits aren't to show you our hair.

We do in this right aren't because we don't care or don't

understand.

It's that we want to make sure that we don't overstep or over

promise.

And so I know it's a little, it's a like government itself is

confusing.

It's the way that that works.

And I also want to point out that the last time we had this item

up, where we received, basically we received an update on what

the plan was.

And many people spoke up.

Liz and her staff did hear the comments and did change the plan.

So while this here is a presentation about a plan,

it is the opportunity to speak up.

And it is an opportunity for the staff who are here to hear

what everybody's saying and to consider alternate plans.

So what you're not hearing is false promises.

And we're going to change that.

We're going to change that.

But you are being heard.

So I hope that that I really appreciate everyone being

respectful.

And I just want to make sure that everyone knows that we do

respect you and we do hear you.

We're actually not supposed to back and forth converse with you

so that we can fully hear your concepts.

So I hope that helped them.

We'll just move on to the next one.

We have Alexandria Hugh Walker.

And after Margaret Kishuba, I think, and then

Elizabeth Lansman-Smith.

Hi.

I live in Fair Oaks.

I have been frequenting Sailor Bar alone since I was around 15.

It was a peaceful place for me to enjoy nature and walk my dogs.

And there are many other young women like me who come here

to walk and run on the trail that is supposed to be reopened.

I would not feel safe running or walking here alone

if cars were allowed to drive through the inner part of the park.

It would be really easy to get abducted or something worse

because this is a more isolated wilderness area going

through the middle of the park.

It's not open just to general public.

It would be hard to regulate any illegal activity

introduced by allowing cars in an area like this.

When cars were allowed on this road long ago,

there were a lot of reports that I found online

of illegal activities happening.

Please protect us.

I'm speaking on behalf of dozens of young women

and a lot of people from my high school that know about this

and could not be here tonight.

And please keep the cars out in here, concerns.

Thank you.

APPLAUSE

Thank you.

Thank you.

Hello.

My name is Margaret Kishiba.

I grew up in Saylor Bar and still spend many hours

walking my dog going for runs and enjoying the parkway

with my family and friends.

If cars are allowed, as you've heard from everyone here,

we will no longer be able to enjoy Saylor Bar.

Residents value having a space that is peaceful and beautiful

and free of the noise and pollution of vehicles.

Vehicles would introduce noise, dust, trash, fumes,

and oil run off into the environment and river

and threaten the safety of walkers, bikers, equestrians,

and animals.

The park's department says they have the staffing now

to maintain the roads they want to open.

I'd say those resources would be better spent

addressing existing issues along other portions

of the parkway rather than creating new ones.

As commissioners, it is your duty to do what

is best for your constituents and the wildlife

that call the parkway home.

Please do not allow the roads to be open to cars.

Please request that alternative plans

for accessibility be presented that

would be supported by the community

and all the organizations that have been mentioned tonight.

Thank you.

Applause.

Warren Tru and Jennifer Hemman will be after.

Hi, I just have one question for the county.

After the protests last on Saturday,

I was watching the television station reports

and they had interviewed the county and they said,

and one of the interviews,

county representatives said affirmatively

that road A is going to be opened on Saturday.

And there hasn't even been any arrangements

for accessibility yet.

So I don't understand why it's going to be open Saturday.

And I'm just wondering why you're even asking for input

if you're planning to do it anyway.

It doesn't make any sense to me.

Applause.

What's the answer?

Again, to just kind of not have that back and forth,

we're just going to keep going, but we can address that.

Thanks.

The warrant you're a wave?

Yes.

Then Jennifer Hemman and then Robert Snyder or Sydney.

My point about these.

So there's a lot of things I'd like to say.

I'm not going to say them now.

I was asked to read something from a friend who is in a wheelchair

and wasn't able to be here tonight.

So I'm going to go ask the zone.

I think you've heard enough that I've pointed out to you

that if you are to use this to build an accessible trail,

we already have an accessible trail.

We already use this trail.

I don't know why.

No one knows why we're doing this.

If it's to justify the money you spent on the parking

and the improvements, we'll pay you back.

We don't know why we're doing this.

We have an accessible trail.

You cut off access for every single user group, including

people.

There are alternatives.

Altrain Georgia is a nonprofit in Georgia that

provides free, altrain wheelchairs to every user in 17

state parks.

It can be done here.

They called and said they're willing to replicate it here

in Sacramento.

They're all alternatives to cars.

We can get people out to that view shed.

We have great plans that you haven't heard described to you.

We can get those out there.

We can get people out there not in cars.

And in that way, we all win.

You can be a hero.

My friend in the wheelchair said that I'll just sum up his

last statement.

He said, the position that the parkway should be open to all

is a straw man argument.

The parkway already is.

Options for access abound for those of all abilities.

And he's in a wheelchair and finds many, many places to

recreate.

What we and wildlife desperately need is an oasis of

solitude in our hectic world.

Wildlife and sailor bars miraculously rebounded since the

2008 closure.

The bald eagles have chosen sailor bar because of the

serenity.

You won't find them on the south side of the river due to

the bike trail and the vehicular traffic.

On this theme, I encourage you to ponder the following

question.

Where else in our county can you find the salimony of the

Sierra Nevada desolation wilderness simply by walking a

mere 100 feet from a well established parking lot?

The answer is simple.

The expansive sailor bar between Illinois Avenue and

all of Avenue, please preserve the serenity of sailor bar.

A gem within a gem of the American River Parkway.

Thank you for your consideration.

Robert's in there.

Yes.

My name is Robert Sidnor.

I represent the Mother Load Unit of Backcountry Horsemen

of California.

I'm also a geologist and a life member of the California

Academy of Sciences.

I've written a report on sailor bar 13 years ago.

And it's posted on Google Earth.

And so we've had thousands of people read my report.

One thing that is our county planners have never heard of

that right over here.

Sacramento County Road Department parked a ton of asphalt

and other construction materials.

And they were sued in superior court by an equestrian who

is a tough lawyer.

Sacramento County Council realized we are beyond doomed.

You're going to lose in superior court right here.

And so before it actually got into litigation and open court,

the Sacramento County Road Department had to spend several

weeks removing all of this toxic material to satisfy the lawsuit.

And our county planner needs to put that in.

This was a toxic material of asphalt.

There are, as speaking as a geologist and an equestrian,

there's the alluvial mining at sailor bar used arsenic lead and

other toxic chemicals that have been left undisturbed.

Motor vehicle traffic would cause surfacing of these toxic chemicals.

And folks, that is a safety hazard, a toxic safety hazard.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Jerry's here where we're self 12 cards.

Next is Cheryl Cattaba.

And then Tom.

They had both three and five marked.

And then Tom, I'm going to mispronounce her name one more time,

Big Leone.

And then Paul Miller and then Alan Friedman.

I don't know if it was Steve or Heather.

I was just going to call him.

Okay.

That was Tom.

Yeah.

Paul Miller.

I'm going to get tall again.

That's as far down as it goes.

Sorry.

It says reasoned lower.

I didn't know how much the lower it would go.

I thought it was possessed.

You could be.

It's well.

Okay.

So, Becky, as the chair of the commission, you advised Liz to prepare additional alternatives analysis.

One of the alternatives is what Bruce has shown what we've called the loop idea tonight.

Another alternative, the Sacramento Audubon, as proposed, is here.

We have two locations that are important for people to see.

It's the overview of the river.

And if I can reach all the way up, it's number four.

Turtle pond.

That is the second.

So, right now, Liz's plan is disconnected.

She connects to the overlook, but she has a separate small plan that connects to Turtle pond.

Audubon's plan includes another alternative that includes a connection all the way up to Turtle pond.

Becky, the section of road that you were questioning as to whether it was a question and a vehicular,

which is this little blue section right here, is part of the alternative analysis.

That would include an accessible trail that would not be able to include vehicles.

So, as the chair of the commission, I would recommend that you advise Liz to delay the road opening until additional alternative analysis is completed.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Yes, sir.

Yes, sir.

Enjoy the take-mine.

I'm going to take my time.

Okay.

My name is Alan Friedman.

I'm going to take my two minutes to be a brat in public.

And that is, I think you guys know what this is.

I got this out of the poop bag stand at Sailor Bar.

I would ask that you start putting some dust masks out if you go through and open up the road,

we are going to need them.

Dust is incredibly dangerous for human beings.

But I'd like to go and actually talk about something else.

And that is, one of the principles of good recreation planning is you try to avoid conflicts,

between users.

So I really don't understand why in this case we're making a proposal that actually creates huge conflicts between users.

You have pedestrians, you have hikers, you have equestrians.

Why would we want to create a situation?

Your, your Ranger staff is already overburdened with all the other requirements that it has.

Why do you want your Rangers to put your Rangers into a situation where they're going to have to now determine who is does a pedestrian have right away.

If a pedestrian decides to walk in the middle of the road to avoid breathing dust and the car behind it becomes, gets into a road rage situation.

Why do you want to subject your Ranger staff to the types of conflicts that are going to take place?

Have you pulled the Rangers to determine whether they really want to be in that kind of situation?

Good recreational planning has you make a decision that you don't do that kind of thing.

The other thing I want to say in 27 seconds is that I don't think that the regional parks has done a very good job of even considering other mitigation measures.

For example, if you're hell bent on opening up that road, maybe you should reroute the hiking trail to a different location.

There are other ways to route the trail that would cost more, but it would avoid the conflicts that we don't want to have.

People, users come to our parks to enjoy themselves, not to be put into positions of conflicts with other people.

Allowing cars on road A are going to create lots of conflicts.

Your Rangers are going to be put in a very tough position, and I really strongly urge you not to do that.

Jerry, I just said sailor on top, so I'm not sure if you want to speak on this one as well.

Mark Barry, Lisa Fields, and then Jody King again.

This one's okay. I don't need to speak again.

I just want to circle back to some of the comments that you made, Liz.

You said you did public outreach, so I'm wondering when was it done and to who?

Next question. You said that there's a EIR, a Dendum done, right?

The EIR was done almost 16 years ago, and then the Dendum was done after that EIR.

The EIR was done by the EIR, and the Dendum said that there's no mitigation necessary.

I don't need to explain it, but our attorney, as you know, sent a memo with our technical report by a biologist saying that in essence, the EIR Dendum is fatally flawed.

Anybody would like that report, email me at Protects sailor bar at yahu.com, and I'll send it to you.

Third thing is the issue of opening the roads to cars is not about which road to open.

It's about allowing cars to come into the interior sailor bar period.

I want to know what was it that we said that made you decide to keep one road open and not the all of road open.

The gravel road that you intend to open is used by equestrian riders frequently.

Maybe it's not officially designated as it, but it's used as part of a loop for equestrian riders, for hikers, for dog walkers, for people with disabilities.

It's essential that cars be kept out of the interior of sailor bar.

Thank you.

Can I ask how many more speakers we have?

I'm just considering a five minute recess.

I'm going to have to take it.

Okay.

Okay. Welcome back.

Thank you for the momentary recess.

Would you like to speak?

There's been some question about what are roles here.

And a large part of them is listening because we listen to people, we take those comments on our advisement, and then we take action.

Now, this particular situation is a little bit different.

The parkway is governed by the parkway plan.

The parkway plan is a law. It's a rule.

Across the street, they vote on it, and it becomes a bill.

And in the parkway plan, certain duties and obligations are of the commission, and some are director Belses.

Now, in this situation, we don't have that option or that opportunity to vote if a trail is open or closed or not.

That's not in our jurisdiction.

It's lizzled.

So I want to make sure everybody understand that because they're wondering what's happening.

I'm coming here, I'm telling these people, this is what we want, and they're not agreeing and not doing anything.

It's because we can't, there's no vote for us to make.

Correct?

Okay.

Thanks.

Got that off my chest.

Okay, we're not, we don't have a back and forth conversation, so we're going to go on, we're going to go on with the speakers.

So the next public comment.

I'm going to go on with the comments.

Lisa Wetzel, W-H-E-T-Z-E-L.

She didn't want to speak, she just wanted her opposition noted for the record.

Next is Mark Berry.

And I am Lisa Field.

I did just know my opposition for the record for all but in the road.

Are you Mark Berry?

I'm Lisa Field.

I'm Lisa Field.

Can I answer your question on the side?

Here you go.

Just a small default.

We've been turning it on and off.

Can you hear me now?

It's on.

I'm going to go ahead and do it.

You want to go ahead and do your question about the size of the parking lot?

So, I, I, that said, I don't know the exact size but by ADA regulations 25 spaces or less equals 1 ADA parking spot 26 more, you start getting into 2 and more.

So while we don't, we don't know the exact number.

Clearly they've determined that it's 25 or less to equal 1 ADA parking stall.

I do, but stick to a few points.

I do appreciate what has been done listening to us and not including all of Avenue or the other side.

Do want all of the roads to stay close to cars and to be consistent with the map that is on the county website.

If you go to sailor bar on the county website, it shows the current condition.

With that, I would hope that you would advise the county to updo an area plan map amendment to memorialize the fact that these are trails and not roads open to vehicles.

With that, with the parkway plan, that change in use protocol needs to be followed.

These have been, if the roads are going to be opened.

We don't want them open. I don't want to trigger that, but they've been closed for 15 years.

What exactly is a change in use if not 15 years?

Then, to bring it together on how this fits into the entirety of the county, I want to make sure that you're aware that the county climate action plan from 2024 says that the county must reduce the number of vehicle miles traveled and the number of vehicle trips by county vehicles in order to help meet the targets of reducing greenhouse gas emissions within the county.

That point 35 mile length, just for opening and closing the gates, will equal 255 miles of road traveled per year, just for a ranger or other vehicle to drive down, make sure nobody's there, drive back, lock the gate.

Also about 30 hours of idling because they're going to idle while they open and close that gate.

Then, the American River parkway natural resources management plan within that, they did a 2018 survey and asked park users what they wanted to see.

68% wanted to see bathrooms, 45% walking and hiking trails, 28% informational and educational signage.

Nowhere in there did it say that they wanted to see more vehicle use.

And finally, with all of that, I've chosen not to renew my park pass because I can't support what's being done on the parkway.

Thank you very much.

Thank you.

We have Edda Carballo and then Tana Simons and then Loves, Vanden Bigler.

Thank you. My name is Edda Carballo and I am a resident of Fair Oaks and then I'll do respect to the commissioners.

Although the item number three earlier was a simple presentation, the fact that it was presented as a conceptual approval and one of the commissioners just said yes.

I said where other commissioners said no, I don't like this.

I would request just to go on record and recommend that as a body of commissioners, some statement be put in the record because it is unfair to us as giving public action.

I mean, public comment to have such a split among the commissioning body on whether one commissioners said oh, we can scratch out the word approval.

Still, this informational item on Sailor Bar gravel roads is part of that concept and we are urging you to not open any of the roads.

And one of the roads is under that concept to yes, we're opening it.

So for our or at least my presentation here, my comment is to be clear as to how this these minutes are going to be presented to the county or to whichever body is going to make the final decision.

And I urge you no cars.

It doesn't work absolutely does not work.

Thank you very much for listening.

Thank you.

Tana Simon would it be easier to bring a microphone to you?

Well, my name is Tana. I live in Farrocks and I guess you see that I'm disabled.

Now you're gravel in the roads. How am I going to push my ride through the gravel?

A lot of times I don't usually have to have that but I have bad days and good days and I use hiking poles when I met Sailor Bar.

And Elisalexa from the question and said the roads are 24 feet wide.

Now cars are 5 to 6 feet wide. Trucks are 6 to 7 feet wide.

Now I don't know. You say vehicles. So buses are 6 to 10 feet wide.

Our Vs are 8 feet plus and SUVs are 6 to 7 feet wide.

You're opening it up to people on HTVs and motorcycles.

How the heck am I going to be able to get out of the way?

Now if a very couple of large vehicles are coming at the same time in opposition,

where are we all going to go, especially if there are people on the, you know, with dogs and kids, strollers, and me with my walker on this side.

You know there's those iron cables that's going to be hard.

The second thing is the dust and that's not just about people or animals.

Do you know, does anybody here ever taken botany? Do you know what transpiration and photosynthesis are?

Okay, so the dust comes up to the bottom of the leaves and it keeps the leaves from having any respiration.

And if you put the dust on the top of the leaves and that's sure going to happen with vehicles,

you're not going to be able to photosynthesis and make their food.

So 15 years ago or more, I was in Singular Bar, it was a mess, and all the trees and plants were winning, but they're doing so much better now.

Please keep those gates closed. Thank you.

Thank you.

Lodes, Van Den Bigler.

Hello, my name is Luce van der Begler. I'm standing here as an equestrian.

There's two items I would like to bring up.

One is a non-equestrian necessarily is the veterans memorial flag, which should not be removed as it was placed by the Boy Scout troop.

I would need the approval of the Golden Empire Council, but also should be consulted with the Luton-Unstaff and Morris family.

Second item I want to bring up is the cables, the edges of the cable joiners that have very sharp edges.

It's on the side of the trails, very dangerous for horses.

If they get stuck in that, it can only imagine the injury and the results of that, so that needs to be taken care of.

The other thing I want to bring up, so I go to Sailor Bar, I think this thing is off me.

I go to Sailor Bar with my horse, because it's one of the only places I can go.

I have a Mustang that is coming new from the BLM out of Nevada.

This horse is not used to sounds of cars, ATVs or motorcycles.

This horse cannot be to get on the road with those vehicles.

What's going to happen is this horse is going to spook tremendously, and if the horse spooks, it's not only dangerous for the equestrian, it's dangerous for everybody around it.

At this point, I won't be able to use those trails, because you can say, OK, there's some equestrian trails.

There's a part that needs to be shared with the cars to get to the trailer and to the parking lot.

There will be a lot of equestrians that cannot use these trails anymore.

Instead of saying that you're making this more accessible to certain groups, you're going to take a lot of other groups out.

Equestrians, but also children that are walking there.

You're leaving a lot of people out at this point.

Thank you.

I'm going to run to Guestine and then Sandy, I think, Shuliv.

I can't maybe Andrew.

That's those are the three.

Hi again.

It stated that opening road A will not result in significant changes in use.

We've heard tonight the inaccuracy of this assumption.

The public has not yet been informed of the impetus to reopen this road.

We're told it is to improve access.

However, each time I am at Sailor Bar, the parking lots are fairly empty and never full.

It also is contrary to reducing carbon emissions that our parks department wants to increase emissions in our nature area.

The Addendum to the American River Parkway Plan updated environmental impact report concludes that the available habitat in the project area has neither increased nor decreased due to the road closure.

There's no data to support this claim nor were habitats even described in the Addendum.

We are part of the environment and therefore we require review.

The population has increased since 2008.

At the very least, a traffic review needs to occur.

The County of Sacramento Organizational Chart shows citizens at the top.

Therefore, we employ county parks employees.

Tonight, due process was ignored.

When we were denied our three minutes, being treated as if the county checklist and interpretations of sequa,

is insufficient evidence for reopening Sailor Bar to cars.

We'd like this commission to advise dialogue with citizens for whom this plan is designed to serve.

That is what's needed and will help us all to improve, enhance and preserve the only wild and scenic river that we have in our city.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Sandy, I think the last name is Shuliv, SCHU, LEV.

Thank you for this opportunity.

I'm probably new to the political arena that I'm a electrical engineer and I work in the water and wastewater industry.

We work in construction and it's almost like we do similar to what you guys have taken the information that you are presented.

So when I first learned about Sailor Bar, I thought, oh, we're just going to open the roads and it's going to be like it was before.

I mean, it just sound like what you would normally do.

But then as I explored the area and got to know some of the people and walked with people and also walked myself around the trails,

I began to understand what people felt when they're walking in the area.

I've also been a tour guide up in Alaska, so I have a sense of nature.

And I actually prefer to walk on the other side of the river on the bike side because I like the expansion of having a full nature where you don't have the cars.

There's been a lot of good reasons and information why the road shouldn't be open.

I mean, at least I find that in my own opinion from an engineer's point of view.

I'm not clear. I've never been clear why the roads need to be reopened.

Maybe that's what we all need to hear is why are the roads being open.

I'm actually really thrilled to get up here and talk. Thank you.

Andrew.

Okay.

Andrea Willie with the Waterbird Habitat project, something that's been going on for the last year and a half because of you.

And Dr. and you, chief form and because of all of you.

So this is particularly conflicting for me and I come here to speak initially about the waterbirds because I care about the habitat that has been developed there over the past 15 years.

And that certainly will go away if cars are allowed to go down that road.

And the beginnings of the new Rookery that's been there at least since 2020 and has been having babies every year.

But as I've been to this and listen to all these people, it's not the birds that comes to my mind.

Is this the plan that I want to...

I want to take a picture that you had up.

It's just that I think there hasn't been a real compelling reason to open the roads other than that the maintenance staff and the funding is there.

And because we have the power to do it.

And I've also heard the increase access to fishing and trust me with the Waterbird Habitat project.

I am with anglers every day and there is no fisherman that wants those roads open.

They want to fish away from cars.

And so I would just like to just take this time to say there's got to be a better way.

The other idea was that well, because it takes you down to that one little kind of spindly ADA trail when there's been these magnificent ADA trails that have been designed by people with disabilities that I think are far superior.

And I have the official organization telling us to please consider those alternatives and work with those people to make something better.

And so to me, I would just say in the face of so much opposition, how can we not listen to 6,000 voices and work together to come up with something that makes everyone happy?

I just think it's possible. And I just wanted to say that.

Thank you.

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