Okay, everybody, we've got about a minute, but I'm gonna go ahead and start the recording so that our online folks can join the meeting.

She is on it for the participating offer.

She may not stay through that.

We have a couple of spec special recognitions on the agenda.

Um we have a couple of information items, consent calendar, and a meeting of the Alta Canyon Administrative Control Board tonight.

Um we start our meetings with a prayer and a pledge.

Thank you so much.

Appreciate it.

Please bless us that we would all be able to have open minds and to come up with the best solutions.

We thank thee for this wonderful opportunity that we have to serve.

We say these things in the name of thy son, Jesus Christ, even thank you.

Will everyone rise and recite the pledge with me, please?

I'd love to high of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands.

All right, an introductions next.

Dustin, will you kick that off?

Of course, thank you, Madam Chair.

My name is Dustin Fratto.

I'm with the City Council Office.

There are a couple other council staff members in the very back of the room, Justin Sorensen and Liz Terriel.

I'm Tracy, I'm counsel for the council.

Chris Edwards with the council office.

Brooke Christensen, District One.

Cindy Sharkey at large.

Alison Stroud, District Two.

Brooke DeCuza at large.

Erin de Kaiser at large.

And we have two council members online.

Miss Houseman and Ms.

Nickel.

Will you guys introduce yourselves?

Sure.

Marcy Houseman, District 4.

And I know Ms.

Nickel is there.

I think she's having a little bit of a problem.

She is definitely online.

We see her.

We'll move on in introductions, Miss Madam Mayor.

Excuse me, I'm Mayor Monica Zeltansky.

I'm Shane Pace, City Administrator.

Jeff Robinson, I'm sitting in for Limbass.

All right.

Thank you, everyone.

We'll move right into the agenda.

And the first item is a special recognition that's going to our public works department.

And Mr.

Brian Romrell is Brian here.

Are you gonna are you gonna do this for us?

Thank you.

Come right down here.

Thank you very much.

My name is Brian Romrell, and I represent the American Public Works Association, Utah Chapter.

The American Public Works Association represents over 30,000 public works professionals throughout North America.

And the Utah Chapter has uh several hundred of those, about 600 at this point.

Um I'm just gonna tell you a little bit, brag a little bit about the public works story.

Public works is integral to what we all do, right?

It makes possible everyday life.

Normal happens because of public works.

Our vision is advancing quality of life for all, and we stand by that.

Um we're proud of it.

Before presenting this ward, I'd like to just take a moment to share the public works story.

Because it's one that often operates behind the scenes but touches every resident every day.

Public works professionals are responsible for the infrastructure that keeps the city running from the roads we drive to the water we drink to the equipment that responds during storms and emergencies.

These systems don't happen by accident, they are planned.

And they're built and maintained by dedicated professionals who ensure that our community is safe, reliable, and prepared.

And importantly, public works professionals are also the first responders, plowing roads in the middle of the night, restoring critical services during emergencies, and helping keep communities safe when it matters most.

Quite simply, public works is an indispensable part of what makes a city function.

Tonight we're proud to recognize an outstanding example of that work, a project in your city.

On behalf of the APWA Utah chapter, it is my privilege to present this award to Sandy City for the phase two of its public works facility reconstruction project.

The new fleet management wing completed in 2025.

This project represents a major milestone in Sandy City's long-term commitment to modernizing its public works operations.

The new 22,000 square foot facility features seven pull-through bays to efficiently service a fleet of more than 700 vehicles and equipment, along with high bay work areas and a 10-ton crane to safely maintain the city's largest and most critical assets.

The project also demonstrates innovation and fiscal responsibility by utilizing tilt-up construction.

The city saved approximately 1.2 million dollars while delivering a durable high performance facility in just 13 months.

This success was made possible through strong collaboration with Forge constructors and the project designer Galloway.

But beyond the technical achievements, this project tells a story of resilience, as we're all familiar with.

Following the 2017 fire, Sandy City took a thoughtful phase approach, rebuilding essential operations over time and ultimately delivering a facility that now fully supports its fleet's team and the critical services they provide to the community every day.

Projects like this don't just improve operations, they directly support public safety, emergency response, and quality of life for every resident.

Congratulations to the Sandy City, its leadership, staff, and project partners for this outstanding achievement and your continued investment in the community.

This time I'd like to invite Ryan Cump, the public works director at Sandy City, and others who I'll introduce as they come up, representatives from Galloway and from uh that just drew a blank.

Forge constructors, come on up.

We would love to draft pictures, so if you don't mind.

Jonathan Fall is uh with Galloway and Chris Testy of the New Fleets uh he's the new Sandy City Fleets Director, and then we have Greg Fix is uh with Forge Constructors.

Thank you for that presentation.

We share your recognition of this group.

We're proud of what they accomplished as well, and we appreciate everybody's efforts on this.

Thank you.

All right, we've got another special recognition.

They're endless tonight.

And our finance department gets to be recognized yet.

Brian come on down and tell us what's up.

Okay, good evening, council.

Um tonight we want to recognize our staff for their tremendous work for two awards that are um they come from the government finance officers association.

Uh short acronym is GFOA.

And we want to introduce Nick Hill.

Nick Hells, who is here representing the Utah section of GFOA.

So I'll have him come up.

But before that, um I just wanted to recognize the staff that gets uh the credit for this.

So we have there's two awards, one on our ACFER, which is in financial reporting.

So we want to recognize Glay Jardine.

If you can just give a wave to the staff, um, Shannon Ashby and young team Finlandson and Matthew Sharp.

And then the second award is for the budget presentation award.

We want to recognize Brett Newman, Zach Whale, and Aaron Barry for their dedicated and hard work on all these.

And then I'll turn this to Nick Hells.

And following the award presentations, we also have our auditors here that I'll introduce.

Thanks.

Well, hello, council and uh others who are here, mayor and and staff.

Um, I'm grateful to be here for my annual visit.

I think I've been here three or four consecutive years, and I'm glad to see some familiar faces on council who get to know me a little bit as well.

I'm Nick Hales.

I'm the deputy finance director for West Valley City, and I'm the immediate past president of the Utah Government Finance Officers Association.

I'm glad to be here with you to recognize your amazing finance team for the hard work that they put in.

Um I've got a couple of notes that I wanted to refer to.

Um, first, for the uh it's it's called the Certificate of Achievement for Excellence in Financial Reporting, which applies to your ACT for your annual comprehensive financial report.

Um, this is Sandy City's 38th consecutive award, if I did my math right by adding one to last year's report.

And um, which which is an amazing uh string of transparency and good financial reporting for your team.

I wanted to read the press release from GFOA that came out, and it's just a short paragraph and a half.

It says the Government Finance Officers Association of the United States and Canada, GFOA, has awarded the Certificate of Achievement for Excellence in Financial Reporting to Sandy City for its annual comprehensive financial report for the fiscal year ended June 30th of 2024.

The report has been judged by an impartial panel to meet the high standards of the program, which includes demonstrating a constructive spirit of full disclosure to clearly communicate its financial story and motivate potential users and user groups to read the report.

The certificate of achievement is the highest form of recognition in the area of governmental accounting and financial reporting, and its attainment represents a significant accomplishment by a government and its management.

And its attainment represents a significant accomplishment by a government and its management.

And I would add achieving that for 38 consecutive years means that's even better for you guys.

So congratulations on that one.

I also wanted to uh recognize your team for the Distinguished Budget Presentation Award.

And after I'm done with a little bit of reading on that one, I will hand both of these amazing plaques to Brian, and we can do whatever pictures that your team would like.

But uh my understanding is that this represents the 22nd consecutive Distinguished Budget Presentation Award for Sandy City.

This is a program that's a little newer.

It was established in the 80s to prepare documents focused on high quality transparency and uh and goals and goal setting and things like that.

I'll read a little bit of this one as well.

The government finance officers association is pleased to announce that Sandy City, Utah received GFOA's Distinguished Budget Presentation Award for its budget.

The award represents a significant achievement by the entity.

It reflects the commitment of the governing body and staff to meeting the highest principles of governmental budgeting.

In order to receive the budget award, the entity had to satisfy nationally recognized guidelines for effective budget presentation.

These guidelines are designed to assess how well an entity's budget serves as a policy document, a financial plan, an operations guide, and a communications device.

Budget documents must be rated as proficient in all four of those categories, and in the 14 mandatory criteria within those categories to receive the award.

So high high praise again to your finance team to Sandy City for the culture of excellence that has been created for financial reporting and transparency.

And congratulations to Brian and his team and to the city council.

I appreciate being able to come here to present this award to you guys tonight.

Thank you.

Thank you, Nick.

Brian will hand you these.

So council, this one is the ACFER award, the financial excellence one.

There's only three little uh devices on here because the rest are on prior plaques.

So this is now the overflow.

So congrats on that one.

And the budget award also looks very similar.

So let's bring this over.

Who needs the budget one, Brian?

Okay, I'm right right there.

What was that?

Don't hide behind me on team.

Thank you.

Thank you, Nick, and congratulations, Brian, to you and your team.

Thank you.

We appreciate you too.

Um, thank you.

And then the next part of this agenda item is to have our annual report, external financial report presented.

So we have here tonight with us David Peaton, who's a partner with Id Bailey.

Uh Ide Bailey's the firm that did our audit, and then we also have Kevin Smith that was a manager supervisor on the audit.

And so I'd like to turn the time over to David Peaton now.

All right.

Good evening, Council.

Uh, we are pleased to be with you and really appreciate the opportunity to work with the city, work with Brian and his team.

Uh I am David Peaton.

I am the audit partner, so I oversee the audit of the city, and then we've also have Kevin Smith here who manages the engagement and uh he does you know all the real work.

So uh appreciate him being here.

We also, similar to you, you've got a great team backing up, Brian.

We've got a great team of um people who aren't here tonight, but um, they also you know they talk to me, and sometimes you get on a job and you think, oh, I don't want to do that again, but multiple times they've said, yeah, we definitely want to be back on Sandy City, so really appreciate your team.

Uh, we'll start.

Kevin's gonna walk through our audit report and opinion and our state compliance report, and then I will um finish up just talking about internal controls and uh some required communications that we communicate to you.

So, Kevin, take it away.

Thank you, David.

Um, I would like to start off by thanking the accounting team here at Sandy City for all their hard work.

Uh we know they were stretchedly thin this year, going through an audit and an accounting software implementation, and maybe even just being a little short staffed.

So we really appreciate all the all the hard work and effort that they went through to provide us just quality information to audit.

But that was just to give them enough time to be ready to give us quality information to audit.

The first report that I'm gonna go over briefly is the independent auditors report on the financial statements.

It's an emphasis of matter paragraph that talks about a correction of an error from the prior year financials.

David will discuss this briefly later, but I would just point out that there's an extra paragraph in the audit opinion that points to the note in the financial sequence where this is discussed.

But overall, the audit was a clean opinion.

Um, as required by the state compliance audit guide.

Um so this based on our procedures performed based on the requirements set forth by the state compliance audit guide.

Uh we noted that there was no material noncompliance in uh in the city, and we're able to provide a clean opinion on compliance.

Um we did note one item, so the the report is very similar to the prior year.

Uh one item to point out in the other matters paragraph is that we did note an immaterial instance of non-compliance related to budgeting, uh, where one of the funds, the expenditures for one of the funds was slightly uh over the budgeted amount.

Um, it was about $5,000.

So David will also be touching on that one later.

And that's all for me.

So I'll turn the time back over to David.

All right.

Um, just a couple of things.

I'm gonna jump over.

So we a couple of things.

Number one, you know, we've got our reports here, this little stack right here, and then we have this giant stack.

This giant stack is what your your city group put together.

This is all the financial um records that accumulate into this report.

So again, we're giving uh a small piece of this, but a ton of work to accumulate all the information that is required by government auditing standards and by GASBY.

Uh, in terms of our communication, so we have a letter, it's called a 260 letter.

It's really just hey, what are the things that we're required to communicate to you?

And with all of these things, I'm gonna just focus on the things that I think are significant, but if in your review you've got questions, we certainly are happy to answer any questions as well.

So this is called the the 260 report, and most of it is kind of standard boilerplate language that we have to talk about.

So I'm gonna point out just a couple of things that were more significant.

Number one is there was a new accounting standard this year called GASBY 101, and you did implement that standard.

Um, your team did a good job evaluating, analyzing how that would impact the city, and ultimately the the standard itself just took a look at what you accrue for potential leaves that your employees may take.

Uh you know, vacation time, short-term medical leave, those types of things, and modernize that standard.

The impact overall was not that significant, and because of that, there was some additional liability that the city now recognizes based on the change in standard, which is about 400,000 of additional liability related to your short-term medical leave.

The standard would typically you would go back and if it's material, you would restate the prior year to show that as if you had always had that liability.

That amount isn't material to the financial statements, so the city elected to just show that in the current period and not restate the prior period, um, which one saves time and and is appropriate to do.

And so you will see in our communication letter, we are required to communicate what we call past adjustments or adjustments that we identified that the city for one reason or another elected not to make.

And that's one of those items that was identified.

And again, so not something you know they were aware of it, and it was just an election to make the financial reporting easier.

And then in terms of significant estimates, the the most significant estimate for you is your net pension liability.

And that's pretty typical, but obviously that has a big impact and is not a known amount of what those ultimately will be paid out for.

So again, Kevin mentioned, well, let's on the very last um couple pages.

There's the schedule of audit adjustments.

So again, we didn't have a lot of audit adjustments, but we did have just a few adjustments, and I'll kind of point out the couple things that were significant, which was one with your workday transition, you have a new software that is under the the accounting standards.

You're required to capitalize that as an asset, and then you amortize it over the period that you're going to use the software.

The city was aware that that would be coming on as you went live, I believe, July 1st.

But with accounting rules, um, because the contract was signed before year end, the liability actually needed to be just shown a little bit earlier.

So again, the accounting team was aware of it.

It just was a matter of showing that right now.

With that liability, there's a corresponding asset because you have the ability to use that system, so there's no net income impact or net um impact to fund balance, but that was just one adjustment that we had.

And then the second one that I'll point out was just related to Kevin had mentioned a restatement of the financial statements, and this was related to the general fund.

Uh, you moved some activity over to the benefit to an internal service fund this year, and as you evaluated some some of the benefits, you determined that there were some liabilities that had been placed on actually quite a few years ago and didn't reconcile out and were not true liabilities to the city, and so those just needed to be removed.

Um, and so we the city restated just that opening fund balance to show that you actually had more fund balance available for those liabilities that weren't true liabilities that needed to be paid out.

And again, that was an issue I believe that went back to 2015.

So just the team was cleaning that up.

Um so that was just the one item on the restatement, and then just related to that.

Anytime we have any kind of audit adjustment, we evaluate if there's any kind of deficiency related to that.

So we did identify one deficiency in internal control related to those audit adjustments that we we talked about.

I think we talked with your team, and I think they're aware of you know essentially what went wrong and how to make sure to catch that next year.

So feel good about you know their understanding, and I think they are responsive and trying to do the right thing, which is why you just saw that award for from the GFOA is you know, they're constantly working to make sure that you've got good controls, good processes, good systems in place.

Uh and then Kevin mentioned um that the state compliance issue obviously a very small um overage just on one of the funds, um, but all of your funds almost are required to stay on budget, so um, I wouldn't consider that a significant or um pervasive issue.

With that, um, any questions on the financial statements, the report, um, or anything else that you saw.

Council members, any questions for the auditors.

I'm seeing a lot of heads shaking.

Thank you for a really complete report.

Appreciate all the detail.

Awesome.

I think that's it for us.

Thank you so much.

Appreciate it.

Thank you.

You done too, Brian.

Are we moving on?

Okay, all right.

All right.

Next item on the agenda, that would be Mayor Zoltanski recommending advice and consent of Jeff Neiberg as Sandy City Police Chief.

Thank you, Madam Chair.

Thank you, Council.

Good evening, members of the City Council, Sandy residents, business partners, Sandy employees, and members of the Sandy Police Department.

It's my privilege tonight to present the City Council for advice and consent, the nomination of Jeff Nyber to serve as our next Chief of Police for Sandy City.

Before I begin to describe the reasons for the nomination, I want to take a moment to first thank and acknowledge and recognize the outstanding men and women of the Sandy Police Department.

Your faithful adherence to the department's core values of integrity, commitment, service and excellence in police services is the reason that our city is safe and secure.

And I especially want to thank interim chief John Arnold for his service during this important period of transition over the last several months.

Chief Arnold stepped in when the department needed steady leadership and continuity, and I'm very grateful for his willingness to serve and support his department during this time, along with his command staff, Deputy Chief Corey Hess, Captain Ethan Alexander, and Captain Curtis Robinson, as well as the lieutenant sergeants and supervisors.

And then I must thank the entire police personnel, our outstanding officers, staff, for your dedication and outstanding police work solving and preventing crime under Interim Chief Arnold's leadership.

Chief Arnold will continue to serve in his current role until the new chief is approved.

So to you, uh police department, our uh residents, neighbors, everyone watching tonight, it's safe to say that the selection of this position as police chief is the most important staffing decision we can make together as a city.

And it's one that I've approached with great care.

I've taken the time to consider internal candidates and also others outside the organization.

And I recruited Jeff Neiber when I learned of his availability.

Many of you might know him in his role as public information officer for the Utah Highway Patrol.

And I've been aware of his outstanding reputation in law enforcement.

From my first hand experience working with him, we won't count the years, but it's been many years ago when I served as Sandy City prosecutor, and Jeff was often a witness for DUI or traffic enforcement that I was prosecuting on behalf of City and Justice Court.

And then as mayor, uh we came to work together again in 2023 to develop canyon traffic solutions for Little Cottonwood Canyon.

So however, in recent weeks, as I began to explore the possibility of Jeff serving in this important leadership role in the city, I've spent time with him and his wife Jenny to explore their interest and willingness and enthusiasm and excitement for this opportunity.

I, along with my administrative leadership team, have met with him for many lengthy discussions.

We've met with them both as a team.

I personally have conducted reference checks along with extensive, the extensive law enforcement background check such a position requires.

He comes with outstanding references and recommendations from colleagues and leaders across the span of his distinguished career.

So with that little introduction, Jeff, I'd like you to uh take a minute at the podium, and then I'm I'm going to describe a little bit of his experience, and then I've invited Jeff to give a little introduction himself and take questions from the council.

Is that all right?

Yes.

Okay.

So Jeff Neiberg, I'll call him Chief Neiber because his last position with the Highway Patrol was assistant chief and major.

So Chief Nyber was selected for this nomination based on his outstanding career in policing and a proven record of leadership.

He brings more than 25 years of experience with the highway patrol, where he has served in a wide range of roles that have prepared him exceptionally well for this critical leadership position.

Most recently, he has served as assistant chief and major, overseeing public safety operations, including traffic enforcement, Aero Bureau operations.

I guess that's helicopter deployment.

Who knows?

Maybe we might need a helicopter in Sandy one day.

He'd be the right guy to let us know.

Also, field operations and other specialties across northern Utah.

In that role as assistant chief and major, he supervised more than 325 sworn and civilian sworn officers and civilian personnel across multiple regions and specialized units, including special operations, SWAT, dive team, and public order.

He also played a key role in planning and executing security strategies for large-scale public events, coordinating closely with state, county, and local partners.

In addition to his executive leadership responsibilities, Chief Neiber has a strong foundation in frontline policing.

Over the course of his career, he has served as a trooper, starting with traffic enforcement, criminal investigations, domestic violence cases, shootings, canine operations, drug interdictions, and seizures, to name just a few areas of focus.

And as he advanced in his career, he served as public information officer, sergeant, section commander for Salt Lake County, and Bureau Chief Captain until serving in his most recent position with UHP as assistant chief major.

He has developed expertise in critical areas such as pursuit policy, use of force decision making, and organizational leadership.

He's also served as a key legislative liaison for the highway patrol.

Importantly, Chief Neiber also played a key role in Operation Rio Grande and has experience working with the unsheltered community in the implementation of state policy, an area that requires both enforcement expertise and sensitivity, and on areas of panhandling encampments and thoughtful coordination with social services and community partners.

Chief Neiber holds a Master of Criminal Justice Administration, is a graduate of the FBI National Academy and is a nationally recognized contributor within the International Association of Chiefs of Police.

When I learned that Chief Neiber had recently retired from the highway patrol at the end of last year and was available, I reached out to meet with him to discuss the possibility of the opportunity in Sandy.

Over the course of the last several weeks and many conversations, it became clear that his experience, leadership, philosophy, and commitment to public service aligned strongly with that with that which is established here in Sandy.

He has aligned strongly with the values and the expectations of excellence that we have for our Sandy Police Department.

I personally have coordinated and conducted extensive reference checks, and the feedback has been overwhelmingly enthusiastic and positive.

Colleagues and partners from across law enforcement throughout the state have consistently described him as an excellent choice for chief.

And I also reached out to his direct reports, who also had glowing remarks.

They describe him as someone whose entire career has prepared him for this moment and this role in Sandy.

They highlighted his education and training, his strong communication skills, his well-established relationships across many agencies throughout the state, and his ability to collaborate and build effective and effective chain of command.

He is widely respected for his leadership and professionalism.

Now, Chief Nyber and I have talked extensively.

He understands that joining this organization as the chief brings both challenges and opportunities as an outside someone with an outside perspective.

He has impressed me with his commitment to policing, and he has impressed me with the sensitivity and respect for what has been created here in Sandy already.

With his high caliber of professionalism, matched with what is already existing in Sandy today.

He offers a vision for the next era of policing in Sandy.

And that vision is grounded in strengthening community safety through strong partnerships and strong relationships.

That's relationships between our officers themselves, between our officers and our residents, and between our department and city leadership.

Chief Neiber has been very clear that he is not looking to come on board to overhaul the Sandy Police Department, but rather to listen, to learn, and build on the strong foundation that is already in existence.

And he is intending to rely heavily in his transition on the expertise and the experience within the department while focusing on the core policing priorities such as training, readiness, and policy adherence.

At the same time, Chief NIBER is committed to strengthening connections with our residents through clear and consistent communication and to thoughtfully advancing tools and practices that enhance officer safety and improve our ability to prevent and solve crime, including modernizing our technology, software, and equipment.

Based on his experience, his character, his reputation, and the confidence expressed by those who work closely with him.

I and my administrative leadership team wholeheartedly recommend Jeff Neiberg for your approval as the Sandy City Chief of Police.

And I've asked Chief NIBER now to offer some opening introduction and then turn it over to you, Council, for questions.

Thank you, Chief NIBER.

Thank you, Mayor.

City Council members, thank you for the opportunity to be with you with you here tonight.

I wish I had an award to give, but I don't.

That's so cool to see that at the beginning of City Council.

And I've also prepared just some quick comments.

I know your agenda tonight is super long, and I don't want to ramble, and I just want to stay on point.

So thank you for that.

Before I begin, I would like to recognize the two officers involved in the shooting this past Sunday this afternoon.

Incidents like that serve as a sober, sobering reminder of how dangerous this profession truly is and how quickly a routine situation can come become life threatening.

It reinforces for all of us the importance of vigilance preparation and ensuring our officers have the training, equipment, and support they need to go home safely to their families every night.

My thoughts are with those officers and everyone affected by that incident.

I also want to express my sincere appreciation for the time each of you spent with me during this process.

I was genuinely enjoyed those conversations.

We we talked about some very specific topics and difficult topics, but at the same time, I think we were able to laugh and relax and have a good time at the same time.

So I very, very much appreciate that.

What stood out to me was your passion for the city of Sandy, your commitment to public safety, and your desire to do what was right for the community.

That was very impressive to me.

That left a strong impression on me, and it's one of the reasons I'm so honored to be sitting here today.

I come before you humbled to be nominated as your next chief of police.

I'm truly grateful for the opportunity to continue serving in a profession I care deeply about.

Law enforcement has been more than a career for me, it's been a calling.

This nomination is not something I take lightly.

I fully understand that this role carries tremendous responsibility, not just to lead an organization, but to serve a community, serve its officers and staff, and uphold the trust placed in the badge.

Over the course of the career of my career, I've had the opportunity to serve in variety of leadership roles, gaining experience in operations, administration, organizational development.

I've worked through critical incidents, led teams through complex challenges, and been part of building strategies that improve both officer performance and community outcomes.

Those experiences have shaped my leadership philosophy philosophy, one that is grounded in accountability, transparency, and taking care of people.

If selected, my goal is to lead in a way that reflects both the values of this council and the expectations of the Sandy community.

First and foremost, I believe in people first approach to leadership.

That starts within the department.

Our officers and our professional staff are our greatest asset.

When they feel supported, when they're trained and valued, they perform at a higher level and serve the community, the community more efficiently and effectively.

Public trust is essential in this profession, and it must be earned and maintained every day.

That means being visible, being accessible, and being willing to listen.

It means building relationships before there is a crisis, not after.

Ultimately, my goal is simple to earn your trust, to earn the trust of the men and women of the department, and to earn the trust of the community.

I'm committed to leading with integrity, being transparent, my decision making, and working collaboratively with each of you.

I would welcome the opportunity to can continue getting to know you to better understand your vision for Sandy and to ensure that the police department aligns with and supports that vision.

Um thank you again for your time for your trust in this process and for your continued dedication to this city.

Madam Chair, flangers.

Thank you, Chief.

Council members, now is our chance to ask questions.

Who has questions?

Mr.

DeKeiser.

Well, thank you, Madam Chair, and thank you, Mr.

Neiberg, for your interest in the position and uh being here tonight as a council member.

It's a rare opportunity to interview a uh police chief.

Um, and so um I appreciate your willingness to to join me for lunch and have the discussion.

We had a very candid and open conversation that was pretty insightful.

Um, and I told you I wouldn't ask you about anything we talked, we didn't talk about, and that was kind of broad.

So I've done some reflection on some things, and I just want to tease out um, you know, some better understanding on how you plan to lead in the future of our community because as the mayor said, this is one of the most important decisions that we can make as a city.

So, first, um, can you give us an example of a time when you faced a conflict within your department, how you addressed it and what the outcome was?

Yeah, um, there was there have been several several challenges.

I think leadership is leadership, right?

Um, at any point there's always going to be challenges, right?

And there's gonna be people um that disagree with you.

Um, there's been things that uh I have implemented that people haven't haven't been popular with popular with a few people.

Um, you know, there was um some SWAT discussions that we had on on kind of our tactics and the way we were doing things.

Um didn't particularly sit too well um with some of the SWAT members, right?

But with that being said, I I believe in being, as I mentioned previously, I believe in being open and sitting down and having conversations.

Um here's my concerns.

Um, what can we do?

Uh, maybe to rectify those.

Am I not understanding the whole picture?

Is there a reason you're doing it this way?

Um following following some of those instances and following some of those discussions, those that that that chain of open communication, we were able to come to a resolution.

Um, I understood um better um what they were trying to accomplish, and they also understood from a supervisory level what I was trying to accomplish, and we were able to meet in the middle and uh make some changes and uh kind of kind of focus on that way.

That's one of them.

Um again, just with with leadership, um, challenges are always gonna come up.

And I just want to re-emphasize that I'm not my I I don't see my leadership style as my way or the highway.

Okay.

Um, I want to hear concerns, I want to hear challenges, because you know what?

I don't know everything, and I'm not perfect, right?

And I want to hear those, and I would take that same model and that same challenge here at Sandy City.

Again, I think I kind of expressed real briefly that uh my first my first uh point of business is to sit down and listen, right?

And meet with uh the officers, meet with the animal control officers, meet with the evidence staff, um, meet with uh record staff.

Okay, what are we doing good?

What are we what are we struggling with?

What are our challenges?

Um, where can we, where can we get better?

Um, in all honesty, they're they're the experts, right?

And I I need to listen to that and I need to take that into consideration.

And then hopefully down the road, as we as we meet uh as a command staff and uh meet with everybody and have those discussions and open meetings and you know open discussion, uh, we can make positive change um on those challenges.

Thank you.

Um maybe in this next one you can be a little bit more specific.

Uh a lot of what you've said segues into what um my next question is, and I think it's really important.

You mentioned um having self-awareness, like am I not fully understanding the situation?

Or uh there's been different leadership challenges, things like that.

So can you share an example of when you recognized yourself or maybe you were informed by a colleague that you needed to adjust your leadership approach?

Sure.

Um I'm first I'll be the first to say I'm not perfect.

Ask my wife, I say that a lot.

I'm not perfect and I'm always looking to improve.

Um, but I think one of my strengths is knowing that um I do need to improve, right?

And it's not below me to apologize to people, and I have apologized to people and said, you know what, I'm I'm sorry for either acting this way or maybe this came this didn't come across the way I thought it would be, right?

And I've had to apologize to people in the past, but I think that's a strength and certainly not a weakness.

Yeah, you know, you know, working working with my team over at the highway patrol, and I'd be the first to tell them that that I'm not perfect.

But I will say that I've always had an open door policy.

And uh if there's something that's bothering you, you need to come talk to me about it.

And you need to come walk in my office or call me or text me, right?

And we can go get a drink at the at a gas station and we can talk it.

I've done that, talk about it, I've done that many times to try to better understand somebody's position and uh and apologize if I need to.

Finally, how do you plan to continue your personal development as a leader?

You know what?

Um leadership never stops.

It's always a learning process, and it's always continuing education, if you will.

Um I've had a lot of leadership training that's benefited me, benefit benefited me a great deal.

Um I've been to the FBI National Academy, I've I've been to police staff and command, FBI college, um, got my master's degree.

One of one of the things that my um old boss has told me is that you always have to continue your your leadership uh involvement and learning.

Um I uh back in our department, uh my my old department, we we read a lot of leadership books, and that's where I kind of gained a lot of my uh kind of instruction, right?

After going through all of this other training that I've been through.

Um so I continually try to uh maybe it's listening to a podcast, maybe it's uh reading about a good book I heard about leader leadership, um, um, all the above.

There's always training.

There's always training going on that we need to be a part of, and then I would continue to be a part of.

Um relationships in the valley is really huge as far as leadership, right?

There are a lot of well-tenured chiefs throughout the valley, and in fact, some of them are very close friends, um, reaching out to them, talking to them, hey, in this situation, what worked, what didn't work, um, you know, how how how can we overcome some of these challenges?

So I guess what I'm trying to say is that leadership is always ongoing.

I don't care how much training you have, I don't care how much education you have, um, you always gotta train uh and improve your leadership style as well as you know, reading a book or going to a class.

Great, thank you.

That's all I have for now, Madam Chair.

Thank you.

Ms.

Stroud.

Thank you, Madam Chair.

Um, a couple of these are some questions that we talked about, and then I came up with a couple others.

Um but and a you know, a little bit uh capitalizing on what Mr.

Kaiser was saying.

Um highway has a unique mission and policing strategy.

You know, what have you done to prepare yourself to run a city police department?

You you know, and you've got a you know very strong resume here, and you just talked about some of the things that you've done, but those I think we're done in the um in the scope of looking at it for highway.

What have you done to prepare for a city police department?

Well, I'm first gonna say, uh, Councilmember Stroud, that um the highway is not as different as you think it is.

Um I know a lot of people talk and talk about Utah DPS and talk about the Utah Highway Patrol, and and the idea that this is out there is that all I do is handle crashes and write tickets for signal violations, right?

Which is part of our mission, our part of our traffic safety mission, right?

But we we do so much more.

Um we we we've talked about domestic violence, for example.

Um that's a perfect example, actually.

Um is it different in the city?

Yeah, to a certain extent.

Um domestic violence here in this uh the city is in a home, right?

And there's some dangers there that you have to deal with and be ready for and be well trained and uh de-escalate.

But a lot of those situations are the same out on the road.

We we have a lot of domestic violences, and we respond to several a day, right?

Of uh cohabitants arguing and maybe even getting a little bit physical, and those same things apply, right?

Um you still have to de-escalate.

Yeah, it's still a very dangerous situation with a lot of emotion in those situations.

So the point I'm trying to get at is uh we're a lot the same.

Um different, yes, in in some aspects.

But with with domestic violence, for example, Utah DPS and Utah Highway Patrol, we were very instrumental in creating the LAP program uh for domestic violence.

Granted, it was absolutely 100% the initiative of Lieutenant Governor Henderson.

Um however, we consulted and uh gave feedback, and you know, this is kind of what we would recommend and kind of work through that.

Um so we're kind of working those same same issues from a state level as well.

Again, I'm not gonna say they're fully the same.

Um, but uh uh SWAT team operations, another good example, okay.

Same same fundamentals, same policing fundamentals, right?

Uh risk matrix, deconfliction, um, training, um, you know, having the correct number, amount of people, um, search warrants, you know, it's all the same.

So I think what I'm trying to get at is all that experience at Utah DPS is very, very similar to this.

And as I mentioned previously previously, I have I have experts that know Sandy, that know Sandy on a neighborhood level, right?

I mentioned um Corey Hess and John Arnold and Curtis and Ethan, and then on top of that, the officers that work the beat every day and work this community every day.

So that's gonna be huge huge advantage.

Is there gonna be a learning curve?

Of course, I need to get to know that, and I'll be the first to admit it.

But um, I know people have come in from the outside to other law enforcement agencies and been successful.

Um, had a really good productive conversation with Chief Red from Salt Lake City, who who is also a fellow DPS guy.

Um, also uh talked to Ken Wallentine, um, you know, and and my question to them was hey, what works good, what doesn't work good, what struggles did you have, you know, what what do we need to be prepared for?

So I've really done my homework uh on this and really given it a lot of thought.

I I understand why you're asking that question because I'd ask the same thing.

But uh I I think I'm uniquely prepared to do that with with the help of my staff and with the help of this uh of these heroes that are that are online, these police officers.

Okay.

Um you know, and uh I guess a little more of an extension to that.

Um so what would you say you're maybe your top two um uh strongest skills and attributes that do qualify you for the city chief spot, the top two, just give me two.

You gave me a lot there, but what would be your top two?

I would say open-minded, um, again, uh open to conversation, open door policy.

I think I think that's my best.

Um, but on the flip side, I also uh hold my staff accountable to policy, uh, to state law, make sure we'll full we're we are following the rules.

So those will probably be my top two.

Um and I know this is one that we talked about as well.

Uh change can be difficult, you know.

It's just it's the unknown.

Uh, how do you plan to earn the trust of the officers and civilian employees of the department?

Like I mentioned, um, I completely understand why that question gets asked and completely completely because I again I'd put myself in their shoes, I would ask the same thing.

Um, but I I I think what I'm doing initially in the first 30 to 60 days is sitting down and getting to know everybody.

Um, trust takes trust takes time, and I know I have to earn that, especially at the ground level, and I plan on doing that.

And that that involves being there, being visible, being available, um, being open to having critical conversations and challenging conversations, right?

Uh whether that be internally or about things happening in the community.

Um, that's what I plan on doing to gain the trust of the officers in the field.

So being available, uh being willing to have difficult conversations, um, being willing to hear, hey Jeff, I I don't think you're on the right track on this one, you know, and and and really absorbing that and taking in okay, why why why do you feel like we're not on the right track on that one and hearing the other side?

So that's how I plan to do it and be there on on these uh shootings on these critical incidents, you know.

I need to be there as a police chief, I need to be supporting the officers and what they're doing, because again, like I said, they're our greatest asset.

But I am gonna say that that that takes time, right?

That takes time, and I need to prove myself, and I understand that.

Okay.

Um and you know, just talking about employees, you know, have you had you have you had a chance to meet with the with the union?

And if so, what was your biggest takeaway?

I have not.

Uh last week uh was uh uh quite a roller coaster.

Um I was trying to get a hold of you guys and and have conversations with you guys.

Um, but what I did do um is uh uh Shane Pace took me down to the PD while the mayor was busy, and I got to spend some time with uh interim chief Arnold as well as went to lunch with Corey Hess and kind of talked about some historical things with Sandy City, you know, kind of things to expect.

That was very, very beneficial in talking to those two.

Um again, I was uh kind of down in the admitted police administrative offices just kind of talking to Ethan and Curtis a little bit about who they are, and then I got the awesome opportunity to rock walk around the PD and got to spend some time in the detective's office talking to them, shaking hands, meeting them.

Uh one of them was totally into diving, and he said, Hey, you were on the search and rescue dive team.

So we talked about diving for 10 minutes, you know.

And I met Amanda who's over uh our uh Explorer program.

Uh what a great program.

Um, and uh it was awesome to hear her talk about her pride for that program and and whatnot.

We went over and talked to the the evidence techs, and they are an absolute hoot.

Um went and talked to somebody in uh uh the crime lab, uh, went and talked to our record staff.

And really honestly, Councilmember Stroud, we've got some incredible people, and it was awesome to get to know them just a little bit better.

To answer your question, definitely on my agenda and my calendar to do so.

I'm just kind of going through the roller coaster right now, but I will get there.

There's a lot of people to talk to.

I understand.

I was just looking at some of them.

What is your three, five, seven-year strategic plan for the department?

So specifically recruitment, training, and retention.

Yeah, so no, another another great question.

I come from an agency that builds a five-year plan, and that's updated every year.

So I'm very familiar with those.

And again, I I still need to sit down with staff and kind of talk to them and get their direction.

Where should we go with this?

Where should we not go with this and have that discussion?

But uh I'm I'm I'm really uh into three particular pillars.

Um, and that's sitting kind of picture a house, right?

Uh the base of the house, the foundation of the house is a is the PD's culture, right?

And then that house has three pillars, the whole the whole three pillars analogy.

Um, one of those is internal performance, um, external service, and the third is personal preparation.

And uh sit what sits on top of that is competent, professional, and capable police officers, right?

So I would focus on those three goals in my five-year plan, uh, internal performance.

How are we enforcing with what data are we enforcing?

We only have so many officers, right?

We can't be everywhere at once.

And I'm certainly can't come before the the city council and ask for 60 officers, right?

So we have to be strategic in the way we do our enforcement.

Um, what are the hotspot areas?

What what kind of DDAX principles are we using in order to get there?

Um, external service, what is our proactive policing look like?

How are we connecting with our community?

Um, how are we uh helping them and supporting them?

And lastly, personal preparation.

Um, if we're gonna prepare for five years down the road in the future of this organization, what are our officers?

What are our sergeants?

What are our lieutenants?

What are they doing personally to prepare themselves to be in leadership positions, right?

Are they good are they are they going to school?

Um, are they taking leadership classes?

Are they on the list to go to the FBINA?

You know, different things of that nature.

So those are kind of my my three pillars.

Again, I want to be I want to be careful with that because I also want to seek input from the field as well as the command staff on which direction we go in the next five years, right?

But that's that's kind of my leadership style to a T and kind of my strategic plan for the next five years.

Okay, um, and speaking of kind of command staff, um you've got some strong-minded people in your command staff who have decisions and experience within the department within Sandy, who've been here their entire career.

Uh, what are you gonna do when um you want to make a change or adjustment and they disagree with you?

Yeah, so so me and Corey had that exact same decision at lunch or discussion at lunch.

Um he says, Hey, I just tell you how I what I think, right?

But rather than take it negatively, I think it's a positive thing, you know.

I want to hear what what Corey has to say.

I want to hear what John has to say.

And in this initial six, six months or so, you know, I I need to listen to them and I will listen to them because they have the expertise, right?

And uh, of course, I I mean, I I I'm gonna put in my two cents too.

I've I've been very clear that I'm I'm I'm not a yes man either.

I'll share with you my feelings, right?

And the direction I think we should go.

But my hope is in those difficult conversations and those challenging conversations, we can still respect each other, uh, we can still forgive each other after it's all over, and that we can find a happy medium and move forward and move the department forward.

So I think that's kind of the best explanation of what I think it should turn out to be.

Okay.

Um, I think the last one that I have, and I was actually I was surprised when I reflected back on our conversation that I did not ask you this.

Um, but what is your vision for the department?

I mean, that's I and and as I was thinking about that, I'm going, oh my gosh, you know, this one seems so like it would be the first question.

And I had to think back of what my vision for the department is.

And you know, mine is to be the best, to be the best trained, to be the best equipped, to be to have the best service, the best uh efficiency, to be the best paid.

Uh, one way we can achieve that is by seeking out technology, vetting it, embracing it.

What are your feelings on that?

And what is your vision?

Well, I've I think you explained it the best, right?

That's that's what's what we want to be.

Um, I've had some conversations with the mayor a little bit about um some of the history, and we were talking about the Elizabeth Smart resolution and kind of what happened there.

And that was I was Sandy City officers that did that that paid attention and knew to ask the right questions and how to ask them.

Um, and and that's what I want.

Um, my vision for the department is to have uh again competent, confident, and professional police officers, those three things.

That's what I want.

And I want people uh not only laterals, but um I want everybody to be at want to come work at Sandy City because it's a great place to work because they feel like they have some autonomy because they feel like they're listened to, because they feel like they're recognized for the good work that they do.

Um that's that's that's what I want to have happen.

Okay, I appreciate it.

And and especially going over some of the questions that we already had, but then also uh giving me off the cuff some of the other responses.

So thank you.

That's what I have right now, but I chair Miss Christensen.

Hello, we haven't gotten a chance to meet yet.

I'm excited to do that this week.

Um, most of my questions have been asked.

The only one that hasn't is Sandy has a very high history and expectation of consistently being accessible and community focused to our residents.

And I just want to kind of ask you how you see that continuing forward and how we're going to maintain that really high standard.

Great question.

Um again, I'm gonna I'm gonna say I don't know what I don't know.

Um, and uh in conversations that I've had with Deputy Chief Hess.

Um there's there's a lot of ideas within the the Sandy City Police Department on how to tackle that, and I would have I would of course listen to that.

So I just kind of want to kind of state that pre-my comments.

Um but one of one of the reasons um or something that I feel that I was missing at the state level, and and I've mentioned this to most of you, um, was a connection to a community.

We did some pretty awesome things at the state, don't get me wrong.

You know, you you bring a helicopter and people walk around from all sorts of neighborhoods and come talk to you and stuff like that.

And we we've done crash presentations and talked about seatbelts and taught driver's license or uh driver's ed courses, talked about the importance of not drinking and driving and stuff like that.

But I've and those were all great and fantastic, and they do a good job at it.

But I've never I've never felt like I've been missing that connection with the community that I want to be able to walk down the street in historic Sandy and have somebody poke their head out and say, Hey Jeff, how you doing?

You know, hey Bob, how are you?

You know, and have that have that community connection.

And in order to do that, and and this is by no way critical or anything because again, I don't know what I don't know, but we have to get out and walk the streets.

We have to get out there and be visible, right?

It's easy.

I've been a cop for 25 years, and and it's awesome to go find a little part uh a little parking spot in the corner of an LDS church or uh a business and start pounding out reports, right?

And and that's an important part of what we do.

However, we need to make an effort to get out and walk the streets and be visible and and and talk to our community.

So again, I don't know what I don't know, but uh that would be kind of kind of my model in getting out there, you know, and and go and walk in the streets of historic Sandy and popping my head into some businesses.

Hey, how's it going?

My name's so and so.

What challenges do you have, right?

And kind of creating that connection.

I I think it's one thing to, and and this is super important to invite them to you, but you also have to go out and and and and get there.

So thank you.

And I have to see you are my third police chief that I've done advice and consent on, and you are the least nervous of all three.

So really so good job.

It doesn't feel like it, but thank you.

All right, Miss Housman.

Thank you, madam chair.

Uh, just really quickly want to make sure you're all able to hear me.

Yes.

Go ahead, Marcy.

Perfect.

Thank you.

Um, so so good for the opportunity, are grateful for the opportunity here and grateful that we were able to connect via phone, even though we've not yet you know met in person, but I know that's coming.

Uh honestly, my questions also have been asked.

So I'm gonna uh sort of reframe one of my questions and ask you, ask you to elaborate a little bit further.

But first a little preface.

So uh I I just uh wrote published kind of this essay uh today, in fact, about leadership.

I I love leadership.

I mentioned that during our conversation.

I I think about it, I write about it, I coach it, etc.

But this this uh essay was really about an experience I had at Hale Center Theater on Saturday.

So the production of Hunchback of Notre Dame, which was phenomenal, um, but that's not the focus of my question.

What happened at the end of the show?

I've never seen happen, and I've been to countless um productions.

The the cast bowed together, and that was it.

Typically when when you're at a at a show and you experience curtain call, there's this kind of sequence of bows, and it starts with the ensemble, and then you've got your supporting characters, and then your leads, and like kind of then the like the main lead.

Um that did not happen.

The group remained on stage, bowed together, and then that was it.

And I haven't been able to stop thinking about that because I think that's leadership in action.

It wasn't about any individual.

The show, the story they told, the experience they delivered was about everyone understanding the value that they played.

Every note mattered, every line mattered, every step mattered, and no one was more important than anyone else on that stage.

And that's what the bow signaled.

And then I started thinking how the director made that leadership decision, and what was it the the director did through the entire rehearsal process to pull that out of everyone?

So that's a bit of a lengthy introduction to my question.

Um, but you just highlighted in your response to councilwoman Christians, your your commitment to kind of community policing.

That's what's drawing you to Sandy is you sort of have have missed this this community feel.

You mentioned that you think it's really important to get out into the community.

I I wanted you, I want you to elaborate a little bit, knowing knowing kind of this parallel that I just drew between it really is not about a single individual, it is about every single member of an organization recognizing their value, um, their role, no one being more important than anyone else.

And in fact, the leader is invisible.

You did we never saw the director.

We only saw the outcome of the director's influence.

That is the mark of excellent leadership.

It is it is not being in the spotlight, it is being behind the scenes, unlocking potential in every person with whom you interact and and and delivering that.

So, what does your leadership look like?

And as you think about what you just communicated, community policing is very important.

You want to be out in the community, you want to be able to, you know, someone says, hi Chief, you respond back, but I I I I'd like to hear what the impact of your leadership would look like in delivering the kind of community policing experience you want our residents to have.

Does that give you enough to understand my question?

Let me take a whack at it.

Um I think so.

Um first and for foremost, uh, council member Housman.

Um I'm gonna tell you something that I told my officers uh quite on quite a few occasions uh when I was the assistant chief.

Um I always told them, hey, I work for you.

And they would they would look at me with a puzzled look and they would go, yeah, right, and they'd start laughing.

And I was dead serious.

No, I no, I'm not kidding.

I I work for you.

You know, my job is to make sure you guys have the tools that you need.

My job is to make sure you have the funding that you need for the training that you need.

Um, my job is to make sure you guys get home every night.

And and I know that's more more um kind of to your point in your story that you told, but that's that's what I believe in, right?

I'm I'm not here seeking praise, I'm not here seeking the spotlight.

Um, this is a very hard process, by the way.

So it it it's definitely fun, but it's not fun at the same time.

But uh really the number one priority is the officers that are going out and doing the job every day that are working the swing shifts and the grave shifts, and you know, the animal control officers and in the crossing guards and and and that type of stuff.

As far as the community policing, um again, I just want to reiterate there's gotta be connection, right?

Um, you know, I I definitely want to get out and go talk to the schools, right?

And talk to the administration, like how are how are you feeling?

What what do you feel like your readiness is to an active shooter scenario?

You know, how to how to how do you feel like our responses and really have some of those conversations?

I know I said this a hundred times again, I don't know what I don't know, but uh and and and really getting out there.

Uh, another thing I've talked about on several occasions is uh I had an opportunity when in my 20s to go to uh Venezuela and I spent two years there.

That's where I learned Spanish.

Um, and uh that's a community I love a great deal.

Um they're very special to me.

And uh sorry.

And uh to to experience that would be would be awesome.

I understand the difficulties they have, I understand the challenges that they they face.

I had a really good friend call me a couple weeks ago, and she was hesitant.

Um, she's from Venezuela, and she was hesitant to talk to the police, and I said, you know, immigration aside, that's the federal government's job, right?

You need to go talk to the police department that you belong to, and if there was a crime committed, you need to do that, you need to feel comfortable you can do that.

Um so I think I'm uniquely positioned to kind of understand that plight a little bit.

Um I there's got to be community meetings out there on you know, with some of our minority groups that I think we can definitely get involved in and uh reach out to and participate in and and become a trusted advisor, like uh Anna Lopez called me and and asked me those questions, right?

So I hopefully I answer your question.

I think you answered it and a few others, like I um I really appreciate that.

So I I really only have one uh other thought or question, I guess you could say, because like I said, I feel like uh you've been put through put through the ringer, you everyone is really covered uh my my question.

So the last one really is about sort of communication style.

Um I I coach leadership, and one of the things I invite leaders to think about is um there's there's intent and then there's impact.

And your goal as a leader is to have those align so that the experience others have when they communicate with you matches the intent.

So message delivered, communication, you know, whether it's email or conversation or whatever it might be, you know what the intent of that was, and there's always an opportunity to check if the impact of that was achieved.

Like you know what the intent was.

Did it match the impact?

Did it come?

Did it was it received the way you'd hope?

Did it accomplish your intent?

Or is there a gap between what your intent was and what the impact ended up being?

So I'd love to hear a little bit about your communication approach.

Um, how do you go to people and and measure whether there is alignment or whether there is a gap and learn from that conversation?

Well, I I I don't to answer your question.

I don't think uh it can be done by a single person, right?

Especially if you're trying to get the message down to the boots on the ground, right?

I've been I've been in plenty plenty of scenarios where uh the superintendent of the state the highway patrol said, hey, this is what we're gonna do, and this is how we're gonna do it.

And then it makes it down to the captain, and then it goes to the lieutenant, and then it goes to the sergeant, and by the time that it gets to the officer, it's like we didn't say anything like that, right?

So, like you said, you have to be intentional in how you communicate that.

You have to make sure how everybody understood understands what the goal and what the mission is.

Um, you know, with with with that being said, I mean, as far as as far as myself and the way I communicate, um law enforcement is to a certain extent results driven, right?

If we're gonna do this, we want to see this.

And if you can't measure it in some circumstances, then you probably won't be able to accomplish it, right?

So that's kind of my style, but really really, really follow-up.

Um, does ever, you know, does that everybody understand what we're trying to accomplish here?

Um, is the message that we're we're sending getting down to the officers on the ground.

If so, are there questions, are there concerns, are there challenges?

Send those back up, right?

And uh I it's just gotta be an environment of open communication, and and you gotta make sure there aren't any questions and and and kind of communicate that that way.

Does that make sense?

Absolutely.

Thank you.

I I appreciate your time.

I know you're answering a lot of questions, so thank you so much.

Thank you.

Thanks for the opportunity.

That's all I had, Madam Chair.

He's not done answering questions.

Thank you, Madam Chair.

Nice to meet you in person, and um I appreciated the time that you made for me over the last few days.

So thank you.

It was a it was a good conversation.

Um ability to have a little bit more of a canonic conversation than maybe we can in this you know environment.

Um, but I some of my questions, I guess, tonight, um, again in reflection and listening to the questions of my colleagues and your responses, trying to fill in some of those gaps, maybe for me.

And my first question is is more about Sandy specifically and trying to understand your knowledge of Sandy as a city from a policing environment, you know, and what do you feel are maybe our biggest challenges right now?

Um, and then on the opposite side, you know, what do you see as maybe our our strength?

Well, I've I've had the opportunity and know people within the organization.

Um back in the day when I was younger.

Um I would serve search warrants with the Sandy City Police and uh top-notch SWAT team, top-notch police department.

They make good tactical decisions, um, they knew what they were doing, um, very, very competent people.

So I I think number one are our people are most important and are our greatest asset, and I think they're very, very competent.

Um, with that being said, um uh I think you know, when we talk about equipment, we we need equipment to get people home safe every night.

We need good equipment.

We need the appropriate amount of a training again.

And my previous goal is uh competent and professional and confident police officers, right?

So I think um that's always a challenge, right?

Thing thing things cost money, um, equipment costs money, training costs money.

That's budget is always a challenge, something I'm very, very well of, especially coming from a state level, um, depending on how good the year was or was not.

Um, but uh I think that's a challenge.

I've I've done uh quite a bit of research on the city and looked at the different districts.

I know there's um differences in districts, does that make sense?

Um there's uh some areas with a little bit more crime, there's some areas with less crime.

Again, what can we do based off of data to address those problems and police those problems and see what results we get.

Um hopefully that kind of answers your question.

Uh uh again, I don't know what I don't know.

I'm sorry to sound like a broken record on that, but uh that's definitely something I'm gonna trust the deputy chief and the captains on and uh um get advice from them on what we need to do.

Okay, uh thank you.

Uh you know, you do you too you do um have been very open about the fact that there's gonna be a learning curve, right?

Um and so I'm kind of curious what your what you have as far as like a general realistic expectation for how long you feel it will take you to be fully proficient with our police department and our city's policing needs.

Well, one thing I think to to answer your question, I don't I don't think no matter how long you're in an agency, that ever happens, okay, because due to the challenges, due to the different problems that happened, it's always evolving.

Law enforcement is always involving, technology is always evolving, and and to be totally and 100% competent, it I I just don't believe it happens, right?

You're you're always on the move, you're always learning something new.

I mean, heck, in in five years we could have cars that are driving themselves, you know, when they get in a crash, who am I supposed to cite, right?

Um, that's that's advancing, right?

Um, and uh, but realistically, um, again, I think with talking to the officers in the next three to four, maybe even six months, I think I could be in a position um to to really feel confident in what's going on, uh, to offer advice, to offer um help, support.

Again, I will rely on heavily initially my command staff and and the officers, because again, they know Sandy City from a neighborhood level, and they have the connections, and that's something that takes time.

It just does.

Okay, thank you.

And you know, um I I understand that that you can never really be fully proficient if you are invested in in what you were doing and improving all the time, right?

Right.

Um, you know, but I I guess I my questions do stem from, you know, you've explained the difference between or how you perceive the difference between public or excuse me, highway patrol versus you know, municipal police department, um, and and the interactions that they have and the different um I don't know, not responsibilities, but um instances that occur unique maybe to each side, and so you know, just in in full transparency, that is probably my biggest um like area of concern is is wanting to ensure that that those um skills and experiences truly transfer um into the role of Sandy police chief.

You know, we are um as as you pointed out um during our conversation, the seventh largest city.

Um, and and so you know, you you uh explained, I think, um very well what interested you in the role, um, but I guess I'm curious what interests you in Sandy specifically, you know.

Um there are other cities with smaller departments, you know.

I I wouldn't consider us a small department a small city, and so help me understand, you know, why why that, why Sandy?

Well, um I think there's a lot of answers to that.

Um I obviously had a very big agency uh that I was in charge of, so um nothing against the smaller cities, respect them, love their chiefs, uh all that all that kind of good stuff, but I think this is a little bit more my speed um and kind of what I like to do.

Uh in addition to that, um I live in a neighboring community, okay.

And uh in that community we have pretty much the same exact challenges and the same exact problems, right?

Um it's crime, it's transportation, it's growth, it's how do I get up the canyon, you know, during the winter season, during the ski season and stuff like that.

And we have the same challenge.

So I uh one of the that's one of the things that attracted me to Sandy City, just to cover of what I've experienced.

Uh I've I know you guys as a city have a lot of uh upcoming events, a lot of big upcoming events, and that's something I like to do.

Um I've put on escorts for vice presidents, presidents, um, work with Secret Service, work with partners.

Um I've done vice presidential debates and created security plans for those.

Um you guys have the RSL stadium, um, you guys have the amphitheater, a lot of different things going on in this city.

And that that kind of for lack of a better term, high speed low drag is kind of what where invite the environment that I that I do well in, if that makes sense.

Yeah, thank you.

Thank you for that um response.

I appreciate it.

Um and then kind of uh following up on something that Brooke Christensen asked was in relation to the interactions that Sandy PD is known for with our residents directly.

You know, how do you see yourself interacting with members of the public who may have a grievance with with the department or with um an aspect of our um ordinances maybe and they want to speak to leadership?

You how how do you handle those interactions?

You know, well one thing I learned throughout my uh law enforcement career career that I that I think is pretty important um in and even even dealing with uh those who have mental illness, right?

I've learned over my 200 25 and a half years that people just want to be listened to, they want to be heard, right?

Without being told that you're wrong or speak over them, that's crazy, right?

I think we need to listen to people, and uh I I think that's important, um, regardless if we disagree uh with the way they want to handle things or what they would have the police department do at the same rate.

I think that's a great opportunity, number one to listen, and then number two to educate, right?

Okay, that's that's a great idea.

Here's the number of officers we have.

Um, here's your problem that you have.

What what solutions do you have to the problem?

So tell me, tell me how we could do that within the the guardrails that we have.

And I think those discussions are important to have again.

People just want to be heard and they want to be listened to, and and I think that's uh an important part to uh council member Houseman's question, uh, just want to want to be listened to, right?

All right, thank you so much.

I don't have any other questions, and I appreciate your time both um earlier and tonight.

Thank you.

Thank you.

My turn.

You guys did a good job.

Um this is arguably the most important position in the entire city.

Um I think the events that we experienced over the weekend punctuate that.

One of the things that I have learned by going through training that's been provided to us by both our fire and police department, is that trust is key and paramount.

If there isn't trust, lives are potentially lost.

Um the police department's a brotherhood.

Um I want to drill down, I want to get granular about the differences between 25 years with the highway patrol and with a city police department.

Um you were focused on three million, I don't know, million and a half people, whatever we're talking about, northern Utah or all of Utah.

We want you to focus here on 96,000 people, right?

You're gonna interact with them every day.

They depend on you, they have expectations of you.

Um then you of course you have your employees that are depending on you also.

How are these jobs different?

I want to get I want to get really specific about that.

Leadership qualities, I would agree, are transferable.

But we're talking about police.

That's not it's not like a private business where I can try this manager, and if it doesn't work out, boom, where's the next one, right?

This is so consequential.

Um where are the biggest variances between the highway patrol and a municipal police department?

Your your version, what what are the major differences?

Well, we we talked about this on the phone, uh Madam Chair, and uh you asked me, okay, is there anything in the description job description that you haven't?

I was gonna go there.

Is there anything in the job description you're gonna do?

I'm gonna beat you to it.

Um and we talked about animal control, yeah, something I've never done before.

Um and uh there's a lot of things I've never done before, um especially in my my uh law enforcement career.

Um I remember when my boss put me over the criminal interdiction team.

The only thing I knew about canines is that I could pet the floppier dogs and stay away from the point here dogs.

That's all I knew.

But being involved in that and learning about it, I I I developed national contacts with Haida.

Um I learned you know, criminal and addiction and stuff like that.

So I guess what I'm saying is that it can be done.

And from a from a granular level, again, I don't think we're that different.

We have uh State Bureau of Investigations, right?

That's our detectives unit.

It's just a lot bigger, right?

And I would say the biggest difference is just relationships, right?

I'm previously it's the whole entire state, right?

But here they're gonna know my name, they're gonna know my police officer's name, right?

And it's it's to a certain extent more personal.

Um but we have you know, uh, we have criminal interdictors that deal with drugs.

Uh we have investigations, uh, we pull loads off that's very, very similar to what Sandy Sandy does.

Um granted we don't have helicopters, but if we can, it's they're super awesome, by the way.

But uh that's that's a little bit different as well.

Um we uh I was uh when I was uh going to VPA, is everybody familiar with VPA is?

It's uh the Valley Chiefs kind of the Valley Chiefs get together and they have a meeting, but uh I was nominated to put together our PO POU strategies, our public order unit.

That's crowd control strategies, right?

And and and pull together platoons and people and resources um for the valley.

Um so and the reason I tell you that is because it is it is very similar, right?

And we can we can connect that way.

Are there some differences?

Of course there are.

But if I'm coming from Sandy and say I'm going to interview for uh Draper City, they probably operate a little bit differently too, and there's probably a learning curve there.

I was Wells Cottonwood Heights and in Harriman who's looking for a chief chief right now.

Um there are going to be those differences.

Um, but uh I have no doubt that I will be able to overcome that and learn those and uh and uh coordinate appropriately.

One could look at your resume and wonder if you're overqualified.

You've certainly managed bigger departments, you've managed more people.

Um we talked about this, when we talked about the difference, and I asked you this question.

Why do you want this job?

And you indicated it to me at the time that in all of your career, looks like an impressive career.

The one thing you don't have is community policing, and that appeals to you.

Community connection.

Community connection.

Okay, so describe to me.

You've talked about walking into businesses and interacting with the business owners.

You've talked about getting to know the people in the in the school district.

What is the rest of it?

What do you think about community connections?

What is your definition of community policing?

What are you going to be able to do here that you haven't been able to do before?

And this appeals to you.

You're looking forward to it.

You want to, you know, you want to conquer it.

What what what is it that's new that you want to do?

Yeah, great question.

Thanks, Madam Chair.

Um neighborhood watch, I think is uh excellent program.

In fact, uh a week ago I saw you guys post uh on that community connection that you had uh that uh the boots on the ground, the officers knew about, detectives knew about, they investigated it, um, they they did their investigative thing, SWAT team comes in and serves a search warrant and and finds X amount of drugs in the house and and somebody's taken off the road and where they should be in jail, so they can't um sell drugs to kids or the community, right?

That's awesome.

Um that's something I want to be a part of.

Um I know there's parks, you know.

I know there's um there's traffic safety uh issues, which I'm uniquely positioned to deal with, right?

And hopefully come up with some solutions or or at least make it better.

Um there's gangs uh kind of involved in here.

Yes, we have people at a state level on the metro gangs and work with metro gangs quite often.

Um, but I want to kind of work that side of a little bit too.

What we're where can't we move the needle a little bit um here to make to make our streets safer?

So all of that combined and and talking and create uh talking to people and creating relationships, that's that's really interesting to me, and something I haven't been able to do in my career.

Um more questions, council members.

I'm just looking over my list.

It seems like we've kind of been covered.

Is there anything we haven't asked that you would like us that you would like us to know?

You you've asked a lot.

Um I I just I just want to um talk about my family too, if that's okay.

Um I have my wife here, um, she's obviously a huge support, obviously, maybe just uh tad bit hesitant about all of this, which is I think completely normal.

Obviously, maybe just a tad bit hesitant about all of this, which is I think completely normal.

But uh again, I've got uh three kids.

Um, and uh my oldest uh is uh lives down in Spanish Fork and he's training to be a commercial airline pilot, so he's trying to get his flight hours right now.

I've also got uh my middle uh son who's down at BYU and he graduates in a month and a half from their film school, believe it or not.

He's big into production and commercials and stuff like that.

And then my daughter um goes actually to C Tech, and I think all of you are kind of familiar with that.

She's getting her cosmetology degree um uh or certificate, I guess I should say.

Um and uh we're just kind of kind of average people.

Um I love to fly fish.

Um I love to white water raft, believe it or not, I guide the Snake River up in Idaho.

That's something I very, very much enjoy.

And uh I think uh once people get to know me a little bit and we kind of get over the hype a little bit um of what's going on, and again, all valid questions I completely understand why you're asking them and and and why the officers would ask them and why they would have hesitancy, but I think once people get to know me, um they'll know that I'm just a normal guy.

And uh my again, my number one priority is the officers that do the job.

Uh it has to be, it has to be.

Um you know, I'm gonna fight for them.

I'm gonna be uh honest with you guys.

You guys have all asked for honesty.

Um I will give you honesty, um, not in a negative way or a confrontational way, but I will tell you what I think when you ask uh what I think.

Um so that that's kind of a little bit about myself.

I I'm uh I'm a Utah guy, born and raised along the Wasatch front, and uh just uh just a place that I love very much and very much appreciate.

Well, thank you, and thanks for bringing your family.

It was nice to meet you too.

We appreciate you coming tonight and answering all our questions.

And if any more occur to us, can we reach back out to you?

Yes, ma'am.

Okay, yes, ma'am.

All right, thank you.

All right, we are past our public comment time, so we'll do that at this point in time.

I don't have any blue.

Oh, yes, I do.

Thank you.

All right, Pat Jones.

Hi, come on down.

Hi, good evening, everybody.

I just have a very quick question.

I hope that the council and the administration will agree to uh bringing um giving us a final report on the bills that were passed, those bills that affect um Sandy City.

Thank you.

Thank you.

All right, Henry.

Okay, thank you, Mayor, for when we've got to sat sit down and talk.

And thank you, Sharky, for talking to me three times this week.

Thank you.

I know you two have been busy.

Thank you.

You guys are cool.

Don't worry.

Um the question I we've been talking about uh Sharky in Utah Law on the cars parking up there, they did take the not uh the parking on the side of the road.

They did take that out of Utah Law where you you don't have to have a license plate and park on the side of the road.

It would have to be coming from the sandy city.

So you know, Captain Arnold actually brought that to my attention today.

Um other things I want to I want to try to bring up the truck parking a little bit more.

I know I talked to the mayor about that and safety around our side of Sandy.

That's the only concerns I have.

You guys are working with me, and I appreciate that.

I just want to come tell you guys thank you.

All right, thank you.

Thank you, Henry.

All right, that's all in chambers.

Dustin, do we want to invite the online audience to participate?

Of course, thank you, madam chair.

Uh, if you're joining us virtually this evening via Zoom and you'd like to comment.

See there.

Uh now's the time.

Go ahead and click the raise hand button on your screen.

I'll call your name in the order in which you raise your hand, and you'll have three minutes.

Madam Chair, looks like we have another gentleman.

Do you want to take a comment?

Yeah, hold on just a second.

We'll see if we have anyone online and then we'll come right back to you.

Okay.

Not seeing any hands raised, madam chair.

Same.

Sir, happy to take your comment.

Will you state your name for the record, please?

George Tobler.

All right.

I've been a builder and a developer for 55 years.

I've run a fairly large company.

Um relating it to Jeff.

There's a lot of difference between building the house and building an intermountain medical center.

The systems are the same.

The scope is larger, but the systems remain the same.

I've had the pleasure to ride with Jeff for many years.

I've seen him take a very high situation.

And his ability to de-esparate was very impressive.

A lot more than I would.

I would have the wherewithal to I've noticed that with police officers, the adrenaline gets really high when it's a stressful, and to be able to walk it back instantly is a very difficult thing to do.

He's managing people.

And I've watched the way that he has worked from being a trooper right on up through being the next to the top in the highway patrol.

He's had a lot of management experience.

Tremendous amount.

And I can't uh recommend him any higher.

Uh he he will be a wonderful uh asset to the city.

Thank you.

All right.

Seeing no more commenters tonight, I'll close public comment for the evening.

The next item on the agenda is Ms.

Christensen's work.

Okay.

Okay, so this um sorry, I'm finding my notes.

So this amendment uh came to me from a resident, actually, two residents that were concerned about different parking situations and how they were enforced in the city.

And what this amendment does, it doesn't add anything new to our code.

It is just making sure that the pieces of our code that police need to enforce are in the correct spot so that they can enforce.

So this amendment closes the enforcement gap by adding existing RB parking restrictions to the city's traffic code.

Um I'm just gonna read this to you guys so I don't say crazy things.

The need for this change was highlighted by my recent resident experience where officers responded to an RV parked in the public right-of-way, but were uncertain about their ability to issue a citation under the current code structure.

Because the restriction exists only in the land development code, enforcement is geared towards the property owner rather than the vehicle operator.

Um that limits the practical response in the field.

So by placing the same standard in both Title 14 and Title 21, the city can ensure a clear, consistent, and effective um enforcement depending on the nature of the violation.

So that is the reason that I'm bringing it to you guys to see if you're interested in updating this to make it easier for a police department who don't enforce in that code to be able to use it in their daily jobs.

And I'm just looking for feedback from you and your thoughts.

Okay, so I just had a couple of questions, and you know, um, like just on its surface, it seems totally logical and reasonable that that they reflect um in both places, right?

Yep.

Um, but my I I have a question about what is the definition of recreational vehicles.

I knew that was gonna be asked.

Good job, Justin.

Um, so there needs to be a definition of recreational vehicle added to this amendment if it if we decide to move forward with it.

So right now um the legal team has said this recreational vehicle means a vehicular unit other than a mobile home, primarily designed as a temporary dwelling for travel, recreational, and vacation use, which is either self-propole propelled or mounted on or pulled by another vehicle.

In addition, boats, jet skis, snowmobiles, four-wheelers, etc.

shall also be considered as recreational vehicles.

I know it's a mouthful.

Well, no, I guess that's where I was kind of uh going was we talk about trailers and campers, and you know, in my mind, I'm thinking the difference might be because uh a trailer by itself doesn't have like the motor, and does that is that it would still count.

Well, right?

Well, it says trail, that's why I'm wondering why are we adding recreational vehicle if it's already in our code?

It like the word the term, it just needs to be like fleshed out from the other part of the code into this part of code.

Are we further defined to your yes?

Well, oh yes, so that's uh I haven't been personally involved with the discussion, but the uh Darien Alcorn from our office has been involved, and and uh she's talked with um Doug Johnson, who does who's our prosecutor, right?

He's our chief prosecutor, and they both talked about the need to have one have a definition and two refine a little bit.

So they they haven't done the refinement yet, we just recognize that it will be necessary if you decide to go forward with the proposal that there will be a definition we'll fuss with the definition.

So if there's specific things that you feel like should be or shouldn't be added, like it's still sure, yeah.

And I guess you know, I'm thinking about um so then it gets a little bit deeper because the the proposed language, you know, initially proposed language by legal talked about, you know, four-wheelers or um uh like a side-by-side, would that be a recreational vehicle?

And if it's street legal, can it not park on the street?

You know, like that would be it's a good question.

Those are things that I okay, I would like to make sure that we have fleshed out and that we aren't making unreasonable exclusions for um vehicles by broadly defining recreational vehicle.

Okay, yes, and then the only other question that I had is it would be helpful to know what um title 21, like what language it has in relation to Title 14.

I know that they're like land use and um traffic, but um it would be helpful to see the reference to each okay, we can put that out there too.

I have that.

I'd just be curious if you could provide that even in an total email, that would be great.

But um absolutely and then I guess at any time, I don't disagree with that, but I saw the email from one of the residents that you had responded to asking about well, gosh, if I'm you know doing some um moving around, and quite frankly, I'm I I've had to do it too.

Yeah, I agree, and so the legal department looked at it and it does say the generic language right now of like not allowed in our code, but there are if we would like to make those adjustments, there are some other cities that say things like for 12 hours or this or that, um, they think it would be extremely hard to enforce and to monitor, so they're very concerned about putting that in there.

But if the council wants to put it in there, we can okay.

Just yeah, I I don't know that I have like a a preference at this point.

I just wanted to ask initially and think about it for a little bit.

Yeah, okay.

Thanks, Brooke.

Thanks.

Council member Christensen.

Since this was in the land development code in Title 21, does that mean it was enforceable through code enforcement, but now we want to make it enforceable through the police department?

No, technically it's enforceable everywhere, but the okay, and correct me when I say it incorrectly, but basically the police never look at the land code.

Yeah, so they didn't even realize it was a code in the city, and so they are trying to train their officers, but it they try the homeowner, the property owner, even if it's not their vehicle or item.

Who does?

That's what the land code tells us to do now.

So if someone stopped by your house, park their trailer in front of it, and they they came by, they would cite you right now.

Oh, and so this makes it so they can cite the owner of the item instead of the property owner.

Well, that makes sense.

Okay.

Yeah.

I would I'd love to see this come back.

Okay.

Yeah.

I think Miss Housman has Ms.

Hansman.

Yeah.

Thank you.

I just didn't know if you saw my hand.

I just want to make sure it's gonna.

Um I so a couple of things that I had here were answered, so thank you for that.

I don't know that I have clarity on one piece, so I just want to dig into that a little bit.

Um the owner, like I feel like you you explained that because it an owner can be cited through the land development code if the RV is there, but then the owner of the RV can be cited.

Do we have like could someone be cited twice?

No.

It would be um if we moved this right now, it's just the property owner that can be cited.

So may I so here's the problem.

The way it is currently uh drafted in the ordinance, they would have to cite only the property owner, and and and frankly, you're not gonna be able to enforce that against the property owner because it's not their their RV.

So the what will happen is the provision in the traffic code will focus on the operator or the owner of the vehicle, not the property owner.

And the provision in the Title 21 will remain the same for the property owner because that the focus of of the provision in 21 is uh how a homeowner uh parks their RV, not necessarily just someone driving through with another RV.

So they're they're focused on two different uh people.

But what if I am the owner of the property and it is my RV parked out in front of my home?

Can I be cited twice?

Then then well, you can't be cited twice, but you'd be cited for having it parked illegally.

Because right now it's not allowed in Sandy City Code for you to park your IV RV on the road.

Like that's currently illegal in Sandy.

So if you park it out there, like but you're not twice though, for sure.

Well, how do we know you would you would not be cited?

You you would not be cited twice.

The police was cited is they'll cite it under Let me okay.

Let me get my question out.

So is the police department gonna talk to code enforcement and learn that I've already and I don't have an RV.

This is just a I'm a what if scenario.

Are they gonna talk to each other so that the police depart department knows I've already been cited as the homeowner and it's my RV, so then they don't cite me for traffic.

Yeah, they won't talk to each other, but they don't do the same thing.

So code enforcement is not going to cite you for parking your RV out there, they might give you a warning.

Will they even do that, James?

I don't think they will.

If it's out on the street, it becomes a police.

Okay, can you come up and talk in the microphone?

Then Marcy can hear you too.

Actually, actually, if it's uh parked out on the street, if a code person sees that, they usually notify the police, and the police will usually handle something that's parked on a public street.

So the police handle it so it's only ticketed of once.

If it's the owners, we can go up and give the owner a warning that it needs to be taken off the street.

But if it's actually given a uh like a citation, that usually comes from the police department.

Okay.

So yes, but maybe we need to clarify that process a little bit.

Yeah, yeah.

I I'm wondering if there's if it's even needed in Title 21 code anymore, then like what what would a simple solution be it becomes a citation event through police department because it's connected to the owner of the vehicle.

If the owner of the vehicle happens to be the homeowner, we're not worrying about the land, the land side of things.

We are it is just in Title 14 as a parking citation.

So that would just be for recreational vehicles, right?

Because there are other vehicles that are attached to possibly a business.

I mean, if they're renting vehicles out with some type of a home occupation or things like that, that is something that we would want still the ability to uh have in Title 21, because we would then be in charge of something like that.

So we do need it in Title 21 to cover other aspects like a home occupation or anything like that, is renting out an RV, and people do that now quite a bit.

That would become something that we would ticket under their home occupation license.

So we'd still want some ability in 21 to be able to do that.

Okay.

Um I I just want to make sure that we are not we are not signaling to the community like that that we're we're going after multiple things here with your RV.

Um I just want to make sure we have with clarity around giving our giving our officers absolutely the right tools, um, but not potentially duplicating uh the the impact and and causing some strife there for you know for homeowners who who really need to just be made aware that this is this is a problem that it's in our code and and so I am I'm assuming there's an education piece of this that happens from our traffic enforcement side of things before a citation would be issued.

I will check on that.

I know in the past they've just asked them to move it.

Chief Arnold, do you want to answer that?

Oh, yeah, they get the pink tickets.

You even brought a visual.

Typically, uh these are referred to as uh our pink tags, and we put on vehicles when there's parking issues, etc.

We typically would give a pink tag to a vehicle stating, hey, this is a problem, please correct it.

Um then they come back within you generally speak the next 24 hours to see if that if the vehicle's been corrected uh when it's a specific parking problem, uh, where it's an abandoned vehicle, you have the 48 hours, and so it's a different rule, but we put pink tags on windows typically to give a warning initially for education purposes, and then we come back and would take enforcement action unless it's a significant issue where it's blocking roadways causing problems of that nature.

Perfect.

Okay, so that that's helpful.

So essentially the the education happens through the pink tag, um, and and because it's in the road, um, our land development 21 Title 21 doesn't come into play because we defer to traffic um and and that process.

So that's the clarity we would provide to residents that we're not double dipping here, there's no danger of you getting you know a notification from uh code, you know, our Title 21 code, and then also this pink tag from our Title 14 code, correct?

Okay, and then the last question is about like fiscal fiscal impact, um, because it does seem like we are shifting kind of the enforcement costs.

It sounds like it was already happening, we're just like like it sounds like James clarified this that uh if it's in the road, that was already gonna be a traffic citation, but officers didn't know what tool they had to do that.

So we're clarifying, we're giving them the tool.

But does that change like fiscal impact?

Are we shifting by by changing codifying this change in enforcement?

Does that does that change fiscal impact in any way?

Are we anticipating like increased citation revenue?

And if so, are we communicating clearly the why for that?

Um, I don't think it will have a large impact.

The reason um this is even come up is because there have been multiple um RVs that have been parked in front of homes and businesses that people are living in and not moving, and so it's created a problem in their neighborhoods or their place of business with with customers coming in, and there just has not been a mechanism for the police to take action other than putting a pink ticket on and asking them to move, but there was nothing in Title 21 after that to do anything with.

And so this I don't think it's going to create any physical impact.

Anyone have want to correct me?

No, Shane says no.

So it'll just be a new tool for not a new tool, a tool that's now being able to be used for police to help clear up those issues.

That's helpful, thank you.

And and the question, um, the only question that I had left.

I feel like got answered earlier.

Uh so I think that's everything.

Thank you.

Anything else?

No.

So overall, it feels like we're good for me to like address some of these issues and bring it back.

Okay, thanks, guys.

Appreciate it.

I see.

All right.

Consent calendar is next, and that consists of two sets of minutes and the final draft of the housing workshop.

And I'm gonna pull the housing workshop item for a separate.

I need to ask you guys a question.

But can we do the rest?

Um two sets of minutes.

Umone want to make a motion to um adopt that portion of the consent calendar.

I move that we adopt the uh draft meeting minutes on the consent calendar.

Is there a second?

Second.

All right.

All in favor?

Aye, any opposed.

Ms.

Houseman, do you want to um take your hand down?

So I will make sure if it goes back up again.

Yeah, thank you.

That it's a new thing.

So here's what I wanted to ask.

You guys will notice on this final draft.

Um there was a new page created, and that's page 25.

And um when I saw that, it kind of um brought some questions to mind.

Um, and I was wondering what our intent is.

As we know, this final draft is going to be provided to the consultant, and the new the changes to the land development code are going to include this directive that we give them.

Is there any chance that someone could pull that up?

Staff, can someone pull that up for us on the screen?

Thank you, Liz.

Yeah, yeah, we can pull it up for you, madam chair.

Good.

Okay, perfect.

So this is if I have it right, and I'll take nods.

Um, what this is a result of the the dots, the the dot process that we did of putting dots on the pages to signify what we supported and not.

Um here's what I found when I was looking over this, and again, this wasn't in the packet before this is new, and it's the second one small lot single family homes.

So we have them as the preferred location as being in low and very low density neighborhoods.

So when I first saw that without conditions, so when I first saw that, I thought, wait a minute, we're telling we're saying that we want small homes on large lots, and I'm not sure.

I mean, we could do that, it might produce a smaller cost home because it's smaller, but it's still on bigger lots.

So the very low density is three units per acre.

So we'd be putting small homes on third acre lots, and then the low density is six units per acre, which is right around what seven thousand square foot lots.

That's still bigger than the state's goal of approximately five thousand square foot lots.

So I'm just wondering whether we wanted to add the next level up, which is medium density residential, still in residential.

There aren't a lot of those on the um the uh land use map, but they exist and they double the density again.

So we go from three units per acre on very low to six in low to 12 in medium.

Just wondering, and again, this is a consensus thing.

Um, is this what we intended to maybe restrict or limit small lot single family homes to just those two kinds of neighborhoods, or um I wasn't here for this part of it.

Yeah, yeah.

But um, I don't know why that wouldn't be our preference in all areas of the city.

That's what I like.

I don't understand why we wouldn't want that to be everywhere.

That's what that's what I voted, but what it would it worked out at, and and they gave us the pictures of the maps, is what I think what the exercise was is they included this if it had a majority of dots in it, and those um only low and very low had a majority of dots, and every other had like three, so it failed to meet the condition of having a majority.

Um and I'm just revisiting it.

This may be what the intention was, and this may be what the majority of the council had in mind and intends.

I was just curious about that.

Ms.

D'Souza.

I was just gonna add that um I think that it would be appropriate in more areas of the city.

Um I personally don't think that small home single family um makes sense in the cairns when we're trying to really increase the the density there.

Um I think but anyway, I I don't think that it should just be limited to whatever, rural and low.

Low and very low.

It just makes me think of um I don't know which way I'm pointing.

This way, maybe for that neighborhood right over here.

L to view.

Yes, Alt of U States.

Um that to me is small lot, single homes, and it fits beautifully.

I think in I don't know, I just am like thinking of like different options like for senior living or like we've talked in the past about like the brownstone concepts over by Target or different things like that.

Like to me, that would be like a really I don't know, just a really good use of that.

But I wasn't here, so I'm not I'm not personally opposed to it.

Just see if it fits.

Okay.

Any other ideas?

Just wanted to make sure as this is the supposedly the final and it rolls forward for rule making.

Is this what we want?

Is this what we want to tell the consultants?

Maybe it is I would motion to like adjust that to be in all of our neighborhoods.

If it fits, I mean there's gonna be a case-by-case basis, right?

Yes, Ms.

D'Souza.

So one of the things that I think was brought up previously was a professional like staff recommendation.

Does that lead you into another question?

We're not getting that.

Oh, you mean tonight?

Not worried here for that.

No, no, but he doesn't look like he thinks that that was funny, but I know just me.

I am use myself.

Okay, so would it be uh okay to include it, but like also are we expecting at some point or can we get professional staff opinions on our um stickers on our dots that we place?

Like, does it make sense?

Is it appropriate?

Like, what are your thoughts?

What should we consider?

What shouldn't we consider?

It doesn't need to be tonight, I don't think, unless it does need to be tonight.

Sorry, loaded questions.

I saw some discussion happening over here and wondered what that what are you thinking about that?

Are you wanting me to answer that question?

Somebody needs to.

You you have the the photos of the dot the process, they're in the back, and this is what we said.

I'm just wondering if we meant what we said or we want to change it.

Whether or not you guys meant what you said is up to you.

Okay.

But in terms of the recommendation, like we did as a group do our best to provide a recommendation on how to achieve the vision that you expressed during the workshop series.

Sure.

And I think that what that what I'm asking for, and I think what I heard Cindy maybe ask for previously is different than that, you know, like taking it a step further and maybe taking it putting putting professional lens and and maybe a little scrutiny on the choices that we made.

I don't know.

I'm I'm comfortable with that personally, you know.

I'd like to know that um what the vision as we proposed it makes sense, or are there other challenges that we didn't maybe consider or need to?

Yeah.

Can I speak to that, Madam Chair as well?

Yes.

So it again, I think the intention is to say we're rewriting the code, and those recommendations are going to come with the code rewrite.

This is a vision document, right?

It's like the general plan, it's a vision.

You say this is the vision we hope to achieve.

Staff and the experts will look at that and say, okay, well, can we achieve help achieve that vision?

Is there something we can add into the code that will help to do that?

Or no, and those recommendations will come.

But at this point, and James, you feel free to chime in.

I agree with his approach on what he's taking.

That's why we did hire the professionally hired us to take what you've got and to look at it at this point.

Yeah, the the goal is to provide it to them and say, is this achievable, right?

Can we achieve this vision?

And we've provided our recommendations on how we think it might be achieved within those final couple of sections of the report.

That's the intention of those sections.

Can they can we get more specific on those?

Yes, and that's what the consultant will do.

Okay.

I for good or bad, you know.

I think somebody needs to be okay to tell us that we maybe made a mistake or didn't consider something that we should have.

So on the small lot single family, I I don't know if you guys want my opinion on that right now or not.

But I'm happy to give you my professional opinion if you'd like it.

Sure, let's let's hear it.

I'd love it.

Yeah, from my perspective, I I think that you did get it right with your your vision and the exercises.

Do you really want small lot single family in the areas of the city where uh we're supposed to be where the intention is to focus on higher density?

I don't know if you do.

I think from the perspective of a planner, maybe we wouldn't necessarily recommend that.

That's just my perspective.

You'd focus on some of the higher density middle missing housing types, like uh the small midrise, for example, in the cairns.

I tend to agree with you, council member uh D'Susso that maybe it small lot single family doesn't necessarily belong in the cairns.

Um but that's that's just my personal opinion.

If I may add to that, I think it's gonna be driven a lot, especially in the Cairns area.

Small lot is it's gonna be driven a lot by the market too.

Yeah, I mean, you're just not gonna have someone come in and say, I can all of a sudden develop small lots and sell them and make them work.

It will be driven a lot of it by the by the market and how that works and functions, what the prices of the land and things like that, and especially in the Cairns, um that's gonna be that's always gonna be something probably a little higher density.

Um you are gonna get maybe some townhomes or things like that, but you're gonna be driven.

I mean, we're experiencing that now, and even trying to get some of the more dense projects, the market drives a lot of this.

So I think that's a point that I'm making, which is the I'm not sure the way we have it right now is in alignment with how the market is defining this kind of housing style.

And so in the cairns, would we say if we're looking to set as a legislative body?

Um kind of a guideline, right?

W are we going to say we won't accept small lot single family homes in the Cairns?

Do we want to say that?

The market may say that's not the best use of our land acquisition, and probably we'll say that, but uh are we saying we're we won't consider it?

Yes, Ms.

Christensen.

I um would hate to limit ourselves with something that may or may not ever happen, right?

So I my recommendation motion, whatever, would be to adjust that to be in all neighborhoods because I can't imagine if and I'm not I don't think this is gonna happen, but if it did and something drastically changed, and some developer came to us and was like, you know what, we want to build starter homes on 90th South and like seventh east by the freeway right there, right next to your mobile home parks.

Like, would we really tell them no?

Like to me, that doesn't seem and I don't think that's gonna happen, but I wouldn't want to tell someone there's a part of Sandy that we don't allow single family housing.

That's my proposal.

Isa do I have to make that a motion to change it?

How does that work on this?

Can I just say that I totally disagree with that?

Yeah.

Um so I'm this um whole conversation is like taking me by surprise.

I don't know quite what we're getting into.

Um yeah, instead of like going through a motion and changing this up, I'd rather table this and kind of talk about it more.

Um I mean, we're voting on the the report that we got back.

Um and so yeah, I'd I'd want to regroup before acting tonight.

Do we have a time we can take any sort?

When did the when do they need it?

Don't they that's up to you?

I would just I would just ask that we sometime soon get this document to pass along to our consultant that is anxiously waiting for it.

Are we holding them up in some way?

They need it to start working on what they're we've asked them to to work on.

Okay, well, okay.

So I would like no, I would still make the motion, it might fail, but like still make the motion to make the change tonight, then if we're we're the holdup.

I don't know if there's a second for that or not.

I'll second it.

Madam Chair.

Yes.

I don't know that I understand what the change is.

I don't know that I don't know that I do either.

To open up single lot, single family homes to every location in the city, not just the low and very low density neighborhoods.

So you want us to note that small lot, single family it the preferred location for those is literally everywhere in the city.

Yeah, yeah.

Dustin's planner brains exploding.

No, I it's your guys' decision.

I do think James's comment on that is true.

There in certain areas of the city, even though it's available, no one would even consider it if they could do density.

I think we agree too.

Yep, yeah.

Yeah.

It's just we don't want to limit ourselves.

Won't that be part of like when they come back in two years that they will have the suggestions and recommendations of where to exactly we're we're telling them what we members of the council?

Could we just have one conversation ago and for the record?

That would be.

All right.

Yeah.

So yeah.

So what they're waiting, if they're waiting for us to tell them our vision of what we want.

So it could come back changed, but for a starting point, I'm just thinking we should be accurate.

And that's what all I was asking on that particular one.

Wait, that doesn't even does that make sense.

We could say, yeah, that was what we intended.

Everyone could say in a vote, that's what we had in mind, that's what we intended.

Okay, fine.

And I highly doubt they're gonna come back and be like, you guys were amazing at this.

You got everything.

Well, and I guess, and I guess that's kind of my question.

Is there's probably something else in here that they look at, and and I'm hoping in two years that they come back and they say, yeah, you don't necessarily think this, and so I mean, it's can I just comment on the two-year thing?

I mean, we're gonna be coming back constantly for updates, and they can address this comment and say, are we heading in the right direction?

You as a council will look at that and say, okay, this didn't make sense, or we found this, this didn't make sense, and you can make adjustments as we're going through.

It's not like we're gonna be not showing you anything, and then all of a sudden in two years pot this whole thing on you, we're gonna be updating you monthly with where we're at, and so I think that's a good opportunity.

You could say, well, based on what they're telling you, maybe that didn't make sense in this particular one, or maybe it we're on the right track, and you can you can help adjust that at that point if if that's helpful.

So, just as a starting point, the answer may be no, but do we want to change that, or do we want to leave it the way it is?

And that's what I think I was getting as it's you know, of going, okay.

Not that it could say, oh, it doesn't matter what we put in here, but if there's something else that pops up, I'm hoping that the professionals will come back to us and say, you know, I'm not quite sure you got this one right.

So it was just if there's something else in here that we missed or that we didn't get quite right or didn't get quite right for an area.

I hope so too.

So that's I mean, I too kind of wanted to clarify that.

So just as a starting point of our intent, you know, like we went through these workshops, we approved a draft, now we're approving a front final.

Is this what we want for the final?

Knowing that, and hoping that they come back and make alternate suggestions if they don't feel ours are the best.

Ms.

Houseman.

Thank you, Madam Chair.

Uh I I think it's a good discussion.

I am looking at this a little differently than what I'm hearing, and which is okay.

That's that's why we have these conversations.

I I see this as preferred location.

Um, I don't see it as only allowed here.

The reason I feel that this does actually represent the multiple conversations and the series of the workshop that we had is because we are trying to signal that we are doing what we can within our sphere of influence, so to speak, to uh to to fill in the middle, the the missing middle.

Um we have plenty of single family homes in the city.

We want to encourage, sure, we want to encourage smaller lots that are still single-family homes, and we've we've kind of indicated like where I think what we're trying to signal is there are places where our preferences actually thinking about the missing middle and thinking about uh variety in in the housing that we put in some of the other places in our city, so therefore our preference is in low and very low density.

Our preference for that area of our city is small lot, single family homes in terms of trying to increase um the variety of what's available for purchase.

I don't know that um we are I I don't see this as restricting our flexibility in any way.

So I I I really and again one person, one person's opinion, but I do think this does reflect our conversations.

We were trying to signal, we have got to put different housing throughout our city.

We've got to think differently about our zoning and the types of housing, and and we need um we need to signal to those who will become our builder partners.

And and we need um we need to signal to those who will become our builder partners.

We need to signal what we are interested in.

There will be a whole process by which ultimately decisions are made and what what we what we like.

This is a guiding document, and our preference would be um focusing on you know small lots, single family homes.

This would be our preferred location because in these other locations, we are hoping uh to have greater greater variety in the housing types.

Um let's get beyond small lot single family homes in some of those other spaces.

So that's how I'm remembering our conversations.

That's how that's why I feel this does uh uh reflect our conversations accurately again.

My perspective.

I I'm not I don't think a change is needed.

Okay, Mr.

Sousa.

I was I was just gonna say, you know, my my recollection of my um choices was to eliminate the highest density for this because it didn't seem like in the context of the entire conversation and all of the different housing styles and densities that we were considering, it didn't seem to me to make a lot of sense in like the cairns, for example.

Um, regardless of whether or not the market wanted it, I just I don't know that from a vision standpoint that that was how we collectively I thought had seen things.

Um and collectively doesn't mean unanimously but you know on the flip side, you know, I feel like there is maybe some discrepancy or contradiction with them in the low ultra-low because like you just pointed out, you if you're uh limited to like three um houses per acre, and you have this tiny house, you don't have a tiny lot, you have a ginormous lot, and so you know there's gonna be some other things that they're going to have to wrestle with, I assume, to have some of this work into a practical situation.

You know, on the flip side, mansion style multi-family does not belong in the cairns, in my opinion.

Like understanding exactly what that is, like it's unique to areas that are not the cairns for reasons, right?

So you know it's interesting.

These conversations are interesting, and what they may just reflect is we got to a consensus, but it where was never unanimous agreement, right?

Right.

So um it may just need to stay.

I really just kind of thought looked at this and thought there was a contradiction in it because small lot single family homes don't belong in areas with large lots.

That's all I was thinking, right?

But um, but we can leave it.

We can leave it knowing that um I'm okay with adding, and I think this is part of what we will get each month.

Is there's going to be little things.

I mean, that's you know, you just brought up another one.

Um, I I I think that that's what we will get, you know, that they'll start coming back and saying, Hey, did you is this what you really meant?

Because this is how we're interpreting it.

So I'm fine with expand, I guess expanding that of what you brought up.

Um, you know, and bringing it in because I think they're gonna come back, and if they don't think it's a good idea, they're gonna say, yeah, we don't really recommend this, you know.

What were you thinking?

So I mean, I'm okay with expanding.

I think I think adhering that the important thing right now is let's get this to them.

So I'm good with adding that in there, trusting that they're gonna come back and say, Yeah, I don't know what you were thinking, but this is wrong, or did you miss something in allowing them to do that?

So I'm too if that helps.

Okay.

So we have motion.

Yeah, yeah, we already made it.

So the motion was to include it across all the name all the areas, but Ms.

Jesus, it sounds like you wouldn't agree to that.

So motion on the table, motion for discussion, right?

Um, I wouldn't support that motion, no.

I I think I'm at the point of maybe just leaving it, and again, like there it sounds like there's going to be opportunities to adjust once they apply some of these ideas to the code.

I guess that's where I'm gonna, even though I recognize say that there's a discrepancy with the mansion style.

Yeah, so yeah.

You can't see her on the screen, but I think council member nickel has I do see it, and I was just gonna call on her.

Yeah, Miss Nickel, go ahead, Chris.

We can't hear you.

Can you hear us?

Yeah, we are not hearing you.

Okay.

Um so it looks like I mean, I can count the cards already, and we don't have so I get are we leaving it?

Are we just leaving it the way it is, unchanged?

I think we just voted personally move on to the first.

Just because like that's how we're gonna have to make all these decisions.

Okay, go ahead.

Madam Chair, you do have a motion and a second on the table.

Yeah, we do.

Yeah, okay.

Yeah, on a like a procedural.

Yeah, I mean, this is not it.

Yeah, so all right, let's go ahead and take a vote then.

Yeah, thank you, madam chair.

Miss Christensen, yes.

Ms.

Sharking, yes.

Ms.

DeSusa, no.

Mr.

Dick Heiser, no.

Ms.

Stroud, yes.

Uh is Miss Nickel available.

She is online, but I don't know if her microphone is working.

Miss Nickel.

Miss Houseman.

I know.

No.

Can you guys hear me?

Oh, yes, there we go.

There we go.

All right.

I am uh no.

Okay.

All right.

Uh yeah.

Yes.

So it's still it's I'm sorry, go ahead.

I was just gonna say that motion failed.

Okay.

All right.

So yes, it's on the consent calendar for a vote, so we decided not to change it.

So the question is uh yeah.

So who would like to make a motion on this?

Motion to approve it number seven on the consent calendar.

Do I need to spell it out?

There's a resolution attached.

It's 26-44 C.

Motion to um approve 26-44 C and the final report.

Second.

All right.

Motion and a second.

Uh okay.

Is it a roll call or do okay?

Let's do a roll call.

Okay.

Miss Stroud, yes.

Yes.

Uh Mr.

DeKiser.

Yes.

Miss Nickel.

Yes.

Yes.

Ms.

Houseman.

Yes.

Ms.

Sharkey.

Yes.

Miss Christensen.

No.

No.

Madam Chair.

That motion carried six to one.

All right.

Thank you.

All right.

Um next on the agenda is a meeting of the right.

Yeah.

Um, sorry.

A meeting of the Alta Canyon board.

So I will make a motion to recess the city council meeting and convene a meeting of the administrative control board of the Alta Canyon Recreation Special Service District.

Do I have a second?

Second.

I'll second.

All right.

All in favor?

Aye.

Any opposed.

All right.

Let's go ahead.

All right, uh, Chair.

Thank you.

Um we can bring up the presentation.

Uh as this is loading.

Um, I hope.

Well, thank you.

It's good to be here with you.

Um, it's fun to talk about this um project, this building.

Uh Ben can provide an update on the construction a little bit later.

Um things are going great though.

We're very excited about that.

And um with with the presentation.

Um, I'm I don't plan to go through it line by line and read you every single number on it.

I I do hope that uh you've had some time to take a look at it ahead of time and that uh we can go through it from kind of a high level and talk about some of the themes and and some of the things that stood out to us, and then we'll uh leave you with a recommendation for for discussion.

So as you are aware, um we are building this this wonderful facility for our residents, and uh there's been some discussion about what what to name it and what to call it.

And so as suggested, we went back out to residents to patrons and sought their feedback.

Once again, I want to make sure that uh everybody understands this wasn't a vote, was not a poll, but we solicited feedback from our residents, went out through our social media channels through our uh email lists, uh our website, just trying to get as as much input and feedback as as we possibly could.

The uh period that it was open February 7th through March 11th.

Uh during that time we had uh just over 1400 responses.

So individuals that submitted input to the survey were given the opportunity to provide a first and a second choice.

And so those res or though those submissions were combined.

You can see how they were broken down by district.

We'll go through each of those.

Not surprising, district three where the facility resides had the highest amount of respondents.

So total responses in our districts.

So residents, they were able to participants, sorry, were able to select a uh option, and then they could also tell us why.

Uh they didn't have to.

Uh a large number of people did.

And we went through and tried to summarize some of the main themes, and and these were really the main themes that we saw.

Um, regardless of of whether they were kind of in the Alta camp or a Sandy camp that many residents talked about a name that was simple and recognizable as being a uh a priority.

They residents did express interest in in repo repositioning the name for future growth.

We saw that in numerous uh ways and in feedback.

There were a lot of suggestions to drop sports, whether it was a Alta name or once again or a Sandy name instead of Alta Canyon Sports or Sandy Sports Center.

There was the the suggestion over and over again to name it a recreation center, which is just much more common with with other government entities that run these type of buildings.

Um I think people understand or they have a picture in their mind of what a recreation center is.

When you ask them if they're going to a sports center, it could be multiple different things.

So that was one of the themes and feedback that we received.

Uh lots of comments emphasize the city pride of using Sandy in the name.

Uh, and then there, of course, was a contingent that said, hey, we don't want to change the name.

So it's kind of all over that.

So the overall choice, just the the simple numbers for the the first option.

If you just look at the numbers, Alta Canyon Sports Center came out uh as the top, and you'll see this same pattern throughout pretty much all the districts and all the options.

So and then we tried to summarize once again.

I'm not going to go through each line for you, but uh you'll see that the first overall choice, the Alta name uh was greater than all the Sandy names combined, but it was pretty close there.

Their second option, yeah, um, it was just Alta still came out ahead, but if you combine the Sandy names, um there definitely were more uh sandy names.

So you combine all this.

Um Alta Canyon Sports Center was the top ranked, but as we started to look at this and started going through the list, we it caused us to pause for a minute because the next one was the Sandy Recreation Center, 294.

The one below that, Sandy City Recreation Center, one word difference, 224.

Sandy Community Recreation Center, once again, one word difference, 174.

Um, you know, there were a lot of input and feedback from participants saying, hey, we we like Sandy in the name.

So just going through them by district.

I wanted to make sure and provide this information for you.

Happy to go through it if it needs be, but you'll see a pattern here, and this is pretty consistent between the three districts.

Um, where if you combine the sandy, you look at the sand, those preferring a name with Sandy in it, uh, was almost two to one in uh both districts.

So both options, sorry.

District two, um a little bit closer, option one, Sandy and Alta.

The second option, Sandy was was much higher.

Alta, but uh total responses Sandy 185, Alta 91, almost a two to one.

District three where we had the most was was a little bit closer, but um Sandy still came out ahead of the Alta standalone name.

District four, very similar to District One and Two as well, uh you know, roughly a two to one in favor of Sandy.

Um, you know, roughly a two to one in favor of Sandy Non-resident feedback um very consistent with what the the other districts uh minus distress district three, pretty close, uh, but still two to one overall.

And then some other suggestions.

There residents did have the chance to write in names.

These are some of the ones that we saw over and over again.

Um we did want to give an honorable mention to our own Shane Pace for the Sandy Athletic Center.

Every chance he got, he would try and rah-rah raw his name, but there was one submission.

That's actually wrong.

It was Sandy Activity Center.

Activity Center.

Oh, my fault.

But um Shane's suggestion had one and it was from him.

Okay.

Um also of note there was the uh light hearted suggestion of the Shrek Creation Center and the Change.org, but it did not receive any official submissions in our survey at all.

So but we did want to recognize them for their creativity, they get creativity points.

So as we we've sat back and looked at this, we we've tried to let the numbers and the and the data speak to us a little bit.

Um, if you just look top to bottom, Alta is the leader.

But as you look at these others and you you read the comments and you look at how many of our our respondents were interested in having a name with Sandy in it, being able to identify with their community with the future of the building, the Sandy-based names collectively received a total of 875, so uh a higher percentage.

Um we we thought that was uh worth noting and of merit.

And so as we discussed this internally as the parks and recreation staff and and Ben and Lois are here to also answer any questions if you need to.

Um that was pretty overwhelmingly uh a statement to us that that residents really were interested in having Sandy in the name.

And so with that, uh Madam Chair, our recommendation this evening is to name it the Sandy Recreation Center.

That was um by far the leading Sandy name with a second option as Alta Canyon Sports Center.

All right, thank you.

Thank you for that presentation.

Council, let's discuss this.

What do we think?

Miss D'Souza.

I'm not sure what to think.

I I will say that um Alta Canyon Sports Center was the only mention of Alta Alta Canyon.

Every single other option had Sandy.

So if anybody, and you know, it's like we didn't get and it had many old iterations of Sports Center, Rec Center, Community Rec Center, right?

And so I don't know that I feel that Sandy was overwhelmingly selected, other than it was overwhelmingly offered for selection, you know, in every other category.

That said, you know, I I'm not stuck on Alta Canyon by any means.

You know, I do like the idea of renaming it.

I feel personally that Sandy Recreation Center is almost too generic to where I'm thinking about the practical um end of hey, let's meet at the Sandy Rec Center.

Which one?

The Sandy Recreation Center.

That's the name of it.

You know, and you Google, if you Google Sandy, you know, recreation center in Sandy, you're gonna get Dimple Dell also.

Um, and so I I'm a little concerned that we increase the chance of confusion by naming it something as generic as Sandy Recreation Center.

So I'm less um I'm less interested in in that for that reason.

I don't know that I have uh you know a better idea per se, other than like I know that Alta Canyon doesn't exist in in some other named function formally, but it's kind of been a staple of our community for years and years and years in terms of names.

It's been on the building for what how long is the building?

40.

40 years.

So long 41.

41, almost as old as me.

Almost as long as I've been alive.

Um those are my thoughts.

I uh Alta Canyon, let's put recreation center and change it from sports.

But those are my thoughts.

I Sandy Recreation Center is too generic, and I think it's gonna be confusing for people.

Ms.

Stroud, yes.

Okay.

I mean, yes, we still want to go.

Let's go with Ms.

Houseman.

Thank you.

Thank you, Madam Chair.

Just kind of a noticing in unpacking.

I I love first of all, I love the fact that you kind of shared data by um districts, and so I think it's it's just interesting to note, and I think Councilwoman D'Souza just touched on this, but but district three, you know, um overwhelmingly is more familiar with Al Alta Canyon Sports Center and had far more interest in in having that essentially be the name.

Um and so that that makes sense in the data, you know, why we saw such engagement in district three and what that engagement showed.

Um I think it's important to remember um our our goal here is to ensure that the entire community knows this is their center.

We want we we've had some you know communication from our community that they don't they don't they haven't seen Alta Canyon as their uh community center, it's they have thought it was just for that part of the city, and there's been some confusion around around that, and and we're working to really um rebrand, I guess is a way we could say it.

So I think that does come into play in terms of why we had all of the different sandy options, uh playing with Sandy and and different combos.

So I think it's interesting, and I appreciate um kind of aggregating if we look at the responses that had Sandy in the name, some other you know, mixture of the rest of the name, but had Sandy, I think that is an important data point to consider that as a a package, so to speak, or a bundle of if we look at the the the feedback, the responses around Sandy in the name.

I I think that's what you're basically saying is the recommendation comes because we bundled these, and so because of that, and these conversations we've had, at least now this is my perspective.

I'm putting on I'm inserting on this, but because we've had these conversations around the value of helping everyone see this as a sandy place.

I do I do appreciate that recommendation.

I am leaning that direction as well.

Um so for what that's worth.

Thank you.

Thank you for the efforts to go to the community and and ask uh just sort of and again.

I uh thank you for leading with this wasn't a vote, but this was a gathering, um a gathering information task to help us move forward with our process.

So thank you.

Ms.

Stroud, go ahead.

Um, I when we've had the discussions before, I really like the idea of having Sandy, you know, very similar what you had.

Uh there's a rebranding to say we've had resident after resident after resident after resident say I can go there too, or what is that?

Um, and so I think opening it up, you know, that makes it even if you have never been up to Alta Canyon, if you have no idea right now that we've knocked down a building and we are building a new one that in a year you're gonna say, Oh, Sandy has a recreations.

I had no idea.

Um, and it's it's for me too, even though I live 114 south and third east, um, you know, or wherever it is, you know, as far away as you can get it.

I you know, I the other thing that you know, and it didn't quite um to say and and and I heard Zach say this over and over and over again, you know.

Well, the center, the center.

What is the center?

Nobody knows what the center is.

So if we you know, if if it was staying at Alta Canyon Sports Center, then it would still be the center.

Nobody knows what that is.

Sandy Recreation Center, it's the same thing, it's the center.

What is that?

You know, so Googling, um, it it's not it still needs to be unique, that is very generic, uh, specifically generic.

I I and it's and probably go nowhere on this.

I did a very superficial just now, um, superficial, you know, hey Gemini type of thing.

And it I so there are other places that that I have been, and they will call it, you know, it's like um so the Cotton Heights Aquatic Team.

Say, oh, chat, and you know exactly what chat is, um, and that's because it has meaning, and because you could bring it down to an acronym, and so I it this is and I know it's completely off from kind of what you're doing, um, but I threw it in of saying, hey, you know, give me a recreation center, you know, that's city owned and it has Sandy in the name, um, but that is also an acronym.

So it came up with, and this is just kind of throwing something out there, you know.

I mean, the star, you know, Sandy training athletics and recreation.

So you know, have you been up to the star?

I don't know.

I mean, whatever.

Um, or Spark, Sandy Parks Activity Recreation Complex.

But something, and so I don't know if we can brainstorm in the next like five minutes and come up with something, or if that's even desirable, but I really think that if you're calling something, oh well, the rec center, which one?

What city?

And it doesn't have um the ownership, I think that we are truly desiring by putting Sandy in the name.

But to to say that every time, you know, oh, we're gonna go swimming at Sandy Recreation Center.

Um, you know, I mean, it just is Shane's activity center, the SAC Center, is that where we're getting at?

Um, you know, but but something else where it can be reduced because if that's what we're looking at, and knowing that Zach just called it that, you know, and that's and when I was growing up, we just called it Alta Canyon, you know, which means nothing because well, Alta Canyon what?

Oh, Alta Canyon Pool, Alta Canyon Rec Center, Alta Canyon Playing Fields, um, you know, the Alta Canyon shopping center.

Uh, you know, so it's I I mean, just something to think about.

Um, I do like having Sandy in the name, but I think it's gonna get lost.

If we want this to be unique, we need to have something that people are going to remember and I and identify with, you know, and that's and just having that of going, this is what it could be, you know.

I mean, that's I don't know.

That that's kind of my two cents with it.

I just I think that you know, keeping Sandy, but having a you know, either a shortened condensed version, and if it's condensed down to rec center, then we've lost Sandy.

So it's just there officially my two cents on that.

Ms.

Christensen.

I like Sandy Rec Center.

I think it's easy, I think it's simple.

Everyone's called Alta Canyon, Alta Canyon forever.

I I think people will just get used to it.

I'm opposed to Alta Canyon being in the name.

I think it's very divisive in the city, and so I I don't like that at all, but I don't know.

I think we're making it harder than it needs to be.

It's literally our recreation center.

So Sandy Rec Center to me makes sense.

I second that.

Yeah, I think I think it accomplishes.

I was interested in these themes that you were hearing back.

Residents prefer a name that is simple and recognizable.

Boom, that does it.

Expressed interest in repositioning the name for future growth.

That tells me you don't rename it Alta Canyon, because that hearkens back to the past, but not the future.

Um I'm very I'm very surprised at how many people wanted to keep that name.

I that wasn't the outcome that I expected.

I'm really touched by that because to me that means that there's some group of people that are attached to the facility and have some bond to it and want to keep the name, and that's wonderful.

And I was trying to figure out how we could go halfies and still do that too.

But I do think I'm gonna agree with the commenters that have said that it's important.

The rebranding is important.

Um people need to know it's new and different.

It's not what it was, and that that's really important.

We want everyone citywide, not a quarter of the city, not a quadrant of the city, but everyone citywide to know that it's for them.

Um I drop sports and move to recreation.

I hadn't made that connection until I read this.

That recreation is used by cities, so that the use of that word means it's a city facility.

Uh okay.

I didn't know that.

Um hadn't thought about that.

So okay.

Uh Sandy Pride in using the name Sandy in the facility name.

I uh you know, I like that.

Not only does it show pride, it's our facility, but also it's a citywide facility too.

Um Sandy Recreation Center.

I'm totally fine with that.

I don't think we ought to start all over with a new name.

I I do appreciate letting AI name it, but uh with Shane.

But we did we do a survey, right?

So I uh I wondered, you know Alta Canyon Sports Center.

Should we call it no, no, no?

Anyway, I like Sandy Recreation Center.

It is straightforward, it is simple.

Um, yeah, people will probably end up calling it the recenter or the or the center or whatever it is.

I am I'm good with that.

I like the uh recommendation, I'm good with that too.

Yeah, Madam Chair, just um two two quick things.

Um just as a reminder, um we are up against a deadline.

Our latent construction is fabulous, and uh we've had a very light winter, good and bad, good for construction, bad for our reservoirs.

And uh we've had a very light winter, good and bad, good for construction, bad for our reservoirs.

Um, it's moving ahead quickly.

And so we are at a point in the construction process where we need to name this facility so that we can order materials and and get it properly named, otherwise we're going to be cutting a ribbon on a building unnamed.

So that and then just as a reminder, you know, the National Rec and Park Association.

Um they they do recommend and I that facilities are named geographically, they find the the ones that are named geographically find greater success in people accessing them, finding them, and uh using their services.

So hearkening back to my my previous position before I came to Sandy, I managed 23 of these.

There were a handful 23 of these type of facilities.

There were a handful of them that were not geographically named, and they were always a problem for people to find, they were a problem for my staff to find.

Um I could even point to numerous occasions where I would talk to people about Alta Canyon and and funding Alta Canyon, and they would say, where is that?

I said it's at the mouth of Little Cottonwood Canyon in Sandy.

Oh, that sports club, yes.

I've been by that.

So just my own personal experience on that.

Okay.

Ms.

DeSouza, just one more thing.

You know, I I don't want to come across like I'm advocating for Alta Canyon.

I just felt like it deserved recognition that in every single district, the very number one choice, even in district one was still Alta Canyon, you know, when you get to select one.

The only thing that I don't like about I I agree, I think that you know, rebranding it and making it community focused was um, you know, what what I had talked about earlier on, and I I agree with that.

I just feel like naming it something so generic, and I feel like the word center may be the issue with the um generic feel is going to eventually inevitably create confusion when you're trying to coordinate with people that don't that either live here or don't live here, you know, in in going there.

So if there was a another word that's well, I was kind of wondering in marrying like trying to accommodate Alta Kenya was really the operative part of the old name, but it was Alta Canyon Sports Center, right?

So I thought, do we marry the two by calling it the Sandy Sports Center?

We're taking part of the old name and the new name and marrying the two.

Do you uh but that was just a thought.

I do think we could get into overthinking this, and uh um, but if that's uh if that's a better thought, if people like that, did you have another other than center?

What else were you thinking?

Well, the only other word that I came up with is complex.

I'm not married to it, and maybe it's not a complex.

I think complex may be aspirational in that it's you know modular, but gosh, is there just another word that just feels right that could take the place of center, you know, Sandy Recreation something so that it reduces the generic dimple if if we didn't have Dimpledale in our community, I I don't think that this would be an issue at all.

That's the concern.

Just just a little context again.

The 23 county facilities of the 23 that I managed, 22 ended in center.

Um it's very common.

It's it's just well, yeah, I know you've got the Dimpledow Rec Center.

So you're going to the rec center.

My thought to that is coming, you know, having also that experience in the county, um, and then going up to Cottonwood Heights is the reason why it got called Dimpledale is because the county couldn't.

They didn't have ownership of Sandy, you know, and they maybe they could have, but we are the only entity that can take pride and call this rec center after our city name.

You know, we're talking about city or sandy rising.

This goes off all those things, and I I love how it honors Alta Canyon.

Like this survey, if anything, shows how much pride the community has had in Alta Canyon, and we need to continue to honor that past, yeah, but there's so much excitement about where we're going, and just by being here a couple months, I I'm excited about where that possibility takes us.

Yeah, yeah, go ahead.

Well, and the good news is if we do call it that, and people Google Sandy Rec Center, we're gonna steal business straight from dimple.

They'll come to ours, yeah.

So it'll be awesome.

But um, I'll make a motion to name to adopt resolution 26.

There's just a dash for Sandberg.

Sorry, we must have forgot to put it on that.

So it's it's resolution ACR SSD 26-01.

That and call the facility, the Sandy Recreation Center.

Second.

Second.

Yep.

All right.

We have a motion and a second.

Second by Mr.

DeKaiser.

I tried to never see it.

Okay.

Miss Christianson.

Yes.

Ms.

Mr.

DeKaiser.

Yes.

Ms.

Stroud.

No.

Ms.

Nickel.

I don't see her.

I think she might have fallen off.

Yeah.

Ms.

Houseman.

Yes.

Ms.

Sharkey.

Yes.

Ms.

T'Souza.

No, but I get it.

Madam Chair.

That motion carried four to two with one excused.

All right.

Thank you.

We do have a closed session.

Um, but we will go ahead and do standing reports first.

Yeah.

Need to adjourn board meeting and reconcile as the question.

Thank you for that reminder.

Yes.

Thank you.

What was it?

So motion to adjourn the board meeting and reconvene is the city council.

Do I have a second?

All right.

All in favor?

Aye.

Aye.

Any opposed?

Okay.

Thank you for that reminder.

All right.

Standing reports.

Dustin.

One moment.

My computer has been weird all night, so I apologize.

Okay.

Uh just a couple of things that I wanted to update you on.

Um thank you to the couple of you who came and toured the uh West Jordan and Murray City Council Chambers with us.

I hope you found that helpful.

I think we did as staff.

Uh but a note on that we uh did finalize the RFP for the architect who's gonna help us come up with the designs for the chambers.

That was the RFP was issued on Friday.

It's gonna be open for a couple of weeks.

Um and so I'll still want to have a conversation with you guys in the very near future about selecting an architect, whether anybody on the council wants to be involved in that, or if the council would like somebody on the council to be involved in that, I should say.

Um so please uh be thinking about that still.

Um I'm hoping we can chat about it uh in a not this upcoming Tuesday, uh, but maybe the the following.

Uh and then one other note, our legal services contract is going to end uh with Mr.

Cadell here at the end of uh June.

Uh we are at our final extension, which means we have to go out to RFP.

Um we have uh drafted an RFP.

Uh it's essentially very similar to the RFP that we issued, I think four years ago now.

Um however, we have updated the uh number of hours that we're looking for uh based on reports from Mr.

Cadell.

We've also made a change uh instead of the contract needing needing to be renewed on a year-to-year basis, we would have it renew on a every two years, so we basically get an extra year without having to go through that renewal process.

And um we're gonna go ahead and issue that RFP.

Uh we're hoping on Friday.

Again, we'll have it open for two weeks, and depending on how many responses we get to it, we'll then bring that back to the council for your review.

And uh I'm not gonna go over the agenda planning calendar for next week, but I will note I will not be here next Tuesday.

Uh Justin will be sitting here in my place.

Um if you have any anything that you need from me this week, please let me know as I'll be off for a few days next week.

Uh that's it, madam chair.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Ms.

Christians and DM.

Um the only thing is that there the Historic Committee is um awarded their outstanding RFP to a company, and the committee will be meeting with them uh tomorrow night to go over the information that they need to move forward.

Thank you.

All right, for me, there's a list, I'll go through it really fast.

The Willow Creek Country Club Lunch, fantastic as always.

Thanks to them.

I don't know how we can thank them enough for doing that every year for us.

I was able to attend the Cottonwood Connect pipeline tour that Metro Water had.

That was a lot of fun climbing down a hole into a pipe in the ground.

It was it was interesting, it was fun.

It was surprisingly clean.

I expected it, and I said, Did you guys clean this out?

And I said, Did you guys clean this out?

And they said no.

This was carrying drinking water, so it was clean.

I that was okay.

I don't know why that was a surprise to me.

Um police swearing in last week.

Enjoyed that.

Look forward looking forward to another one this week.

Um thanks to my calendar.

Oh, thanks to uh West Jordan City for touring us at their council chambers.

I appreciate the time they spent with us.

We were there quite a while.

We had a lot of questions, and I appreciate what they did with us.

I attended coffee with the cops.

Um, another good events.

Thank you so much for so many officers showing up.

Um do appreciate that.

Um, today I attended the chamber women in business luncheon.

It was with Caitlin Eskelson.

She's president and CEO of Visit Salt Lake, and she works so closely with us and for the with the convention facilities advisory board that I'm a part of.

So it was nice to see her talk about visiting the visitation experience.

Was interesting for her to talk about tourism that Visit Salt Lake brings to Utah saves every Utah household seven seventeen hundred dollars a year in property tax um assessments.

So it's a it's just tourism is an incredibly wonderful offset to expenses that would be picked up by us taxpayers.

Um, and I was able to attend the ribbon cutting yesterday at Care at Home, a new facility in Sandy providing in-home services for the elderly and others needing in-home care.

It was great to add them as a new business into Sandy as well.

Um yeah, so please swearing in, uh, you know, had a new officer, a lateral from Ogden, and then animal control promotion.

So it's always nice uh have those.

They come in and I mean in and out of there really quick, but you guys got you have treats, so that'll bring us any time.

Um the uh yeah, the coffee with the cops a week and a half ago.

It's always uh good to get up and chat and see you know, engaging with the with residents.

Um we had a CDBG meeting last week.

Um, they were just talking about you know, updating program year um, you know, with the current program year, where the funding's still at, you know, there's still several months you know left in this program year.

Uh, they were also discussing the current applicants for the next program year.

They will be finalizing that and uh then bringing it to the council like they do each year.

Um, you know, and there is discussion, so it's nice that Jake, you know, reaching out uh so with then uh you know recreation about Main Street Park, you know, looking at things and trying to tie in other city projects of where some of that funding could be used.

Um so that's uh you know always nice to hear that we're trying to keep our money in the areas that need it the most.

But other than that, um I think that's about it.

Thank you.

Uh, for me this last week, I was able to attend the Sandy Senior Center advisory board meeting, and um they were they had already kind of gone through their budget in the previous meeting for the year, and they were able to put new uh roller shades in the entire upstairs of the uh this the senior center with their own funds, so it's not coming from you know the city maintenance um funds for this.

Uh they cite the success of the uh thrift store for um providing a lot of the funds that they um use for some of these things, and I think this is probably a year where they have been more successful that they were able to roll a lot of that in.

The county helped because there was um another window installer doing some uh window coverings for another facility, and they were able to kind of roll that in for uh pricing um discount.

So that was really helpful.

They are really appreciative of the work that the city has done uh with regard to repairing the water damage from the flood.

I think it's almost all done.

The last thing that they were waiting for at the time of the meeting was the baseboard to be reinstalled around after the carpet had been replaced.

Um speaking about of the thrift store, one of the things that they talked about too with the success of that is you know, kind of making sure that people are uh and maybe not like full general public per se.

This isn't a donation center, but if you do have items um around that you were going to donate that you think might be a good fit for the senior center, you know, they are always looking for um items that can be donated to them so they could sell for other costs.

They do all of their a lot of the programming through those funds as well, and they are hoping to be able to use those funds to improve the thrift the thrift store experience because that is where they make their money, so they want to spend a little money there.

Um, other than that, that's all I got.

All right, CAO's report.

Oh, mayor's report, sorry, skipped.

Thanks.

Uh well, bulk waste has begun uh this week, and the appreciation for public works and their bulk waste crew is already pouring into the mayor's office.

Shout out to Public Works and your team.

Um already today.

I've had multiple residents called to thank and compliment the crews on the precision with which they operate the heavy equipment and how thorough they are.

So much appreciation.

The um council member Christensen, thank you for joining me for a Z minute at uh bicentennial park to point people to the direction of the new signs in the parks in Historic Sandy, and they're going up elsewhere.

It's how to report something.

They see anything in need of maintenance or attention or even a security issue.

There's multiple ways using the City Serve app, using the non-emergency phone number for the police department, 801793000, and then also using the mayor's hotline 8015-6060.

So just a good reminder to have that information accessible at the playground and well, this was posted at the pickleball court, so that's a busy, busy intersection there.

Thank you for joining.

And we had the chance to meet the cutest baby in Sandy when we were out filming.

So the mother was yeah, he was so cute.

Um that was that was we borrowed the baby from bystander, and he was darling.

Brooks snatched him up and gave him some cuddles.

Uh he was irresistible.

Congratulations to the department's public works for uh facility of the year, the award tonight.

What a distinction.

What a long road.

Thank you, council, for supporting completing that in the time that we did at the time that we did now is fuel costs rise as interest rates rise every year, it gets more and more expensive.

We're so proud to have that uh completed, and what a community uh effort it was to have Forge contractors, a Sandy business who's headquartered right here at the Arbor building on the Sandy campus.

So you can't get much more local than that.

So very proud to be working with our local contractors like Forge.

Uh Late in Construction is building the Alta Canyon now, Sandy Community.

Uh the Sandy Rec Center.

I'm gonna get used to saying that.

So thanks for that decision tonight.

And uh Big D for building our fire station 31.

Uh also congratulations to the Justice Court for receiving the 2026 Outstanding Justice Court by the Board of Justice Court judges and a finance department receiving tonight the ACFR award from the Government Finance Officers Association along with the Distinguished Bud Budget Presentation Award.

There's so much work that goes into operating the city that most people don't see.

So to have that outside recognition, it's really meaningful.

Uh was really happy to pop in and join the CBDG committee members uh the other night as they begin another year of considering applications that are coming for funding for important social safety network services in our community.

Look forward to attending the Kenyan Education Foundation, Gala on Thursday night, and then mark your calendars.

I know you already have council members for the one Sandy Awards.

Uh that's gonna be a week from Thursday on Thursday, April 2nd.

And then I just want to note the passing of two distinguished Sandy residents, Dr.

Robert Later, who is a very prominent OBGYN who delivered thousands of babies in Sandy, uh, and uh was very beloved physician, and Mr.

Don Schoenbeck, who is a fixture at the Sandy Senior Center, uh, very educated and involved in politics.

He was from the Midwest of Chicago.

He's very proud of his Midwest roots and very astute and attuned to local politics and great conversationalist.

Um both of these gentlemen gave so much uh depth and care to the community.

They'll be sorely missed.

So we pass on our condolences to the families.

Thank you.

I just have one issue.

Uh Friday, May 15th, there will be a beam signing ceremony for the Sandy Recreation Center.

So we don't have a time yet.

We'll update you on the time as it comes closer.

Thank you.

Thank you.

All right, council.

All right, Council, I will make a motion that we will go into closed session for the character, professional competence, physical or mental health of an individual, and thereafter adjourn the city council meeting.

Do I have a second?

Second.

All right.

Roll call vote.

Oh, we need to mention who we're bringing to closed session.

So that'll be Shane Pace, Martin Jensen, Ryan Meekham, Jeff, and myself.

I'd like to invite Corey Hess to join us.

Okay.

All right, and it'll be in the council meeting uh council meeting room.

Yeah.

Okay.

Ms.

Sharkey, yes.

Ms.

D'Souza.

Yes.

Mr.

DeKaiser?

Yes.

Ms.

Stroud?

Yes.

Ms.

Houseman?

Yes.

Miss Christensen.

Yes.

Madam Chair, that motion carried six to zero.

Okay.

Thank you.