Got just a couple of minutes left.

I'm gonna go ahead and start the meeting recordings or virtual folks can log in.

Recording in progress.

That they would be able to be safe and to enjoy the upcoming July holidays.

Please help us to make good decisions on behalf of the city.

I'm with the city council office.

I'm Tracy, I'm counsel for the council.

Chris Edwards with the council office.

Chris Nickel, District Three.

Cindy Sharkey at large.

Alison Stroud, District Two.

We're up to see us at large.

Council members online.

Do you guys want to go ahead?

Yes, thank you.

Marcy Houseman, District Four.

I'm Aaron DeKaiser at large.

I'm Mayor Zoltanski, and I'll be here till 6 o'clock when I have to excuse myself for other city business.

Martin Jensen, Deputy CAO.

Lynn May, City Attorney.

All right.

We have a couple of voting items.

Should be hopefully not a really lengthy meeting tonight.

Fingers crossed everybody.

We have a couple of counseling voting items, a couple of consent items, and an RDA meeting before us tonight.

We're starting off with a consent calendar, which consists with two sets of minutes, May 26th and June 2nd.

Would someone like to make a motion?

Madam Chair, I'll make a motion to approve the consent calendar.

Second.

Motion and a second.

All in favor?

Aye.

Aye.

Any opposed.

All right.

We are already on agenda item number three.

Okay.

So this is Brian Kelly.

So Brian is gonna um ask us for consideration on resolution 2665 C.

That's increasing appropriations for the current fiscal year.

Brian.

Yes, thank you very much.

Um this is a public hearing tonight, and we reviewed this last week, but I'll just quickly reiterate this is we're cleaning up some transactions in the current fiscal year, which ends June 30th.

Um of these is our state Medicaid assessments.

We'd like to increase 50,000, and that's because of the uh increased amount of transports and uh that the fire department has done, and it's a variable percentage of those.

And so we need to adjust that higher.

Um the next one is we've done a lot of surveying work in the public works department uh with outside companies for the annexations and the plat maps that have been done.

So we need to increase public works for that, 85,000.

And then the purchase of the Arbor building, we need to recognize that transaction and the bond and budget for the first three months of operations of the Arbor building.

Um and then this past year in December, we also closed on the Health Center Theater building where we sold that.

Um it was paid off completely by the Health Center Theater.

We were able to retire the bonds that the city had outstanding, and so that transactions here that's hitting a couple areas, the debt service fund.

Um then we need to budget the money as part of the Arbor transaction for the council chambers uh remodel.

Uh it's a million dollars.

And the last one, I believe, was the waste collection fund, 200,000 because of the contract increase because of the index on the inflation.

So that's increased 200,000 for the waste fund.

So happy to address any questions if you have any.

Uh otherwise we could have public comment.

Brian, no changes from the last time we saw this from you, right?

Correct, no changes from last week.

Council, any questions for Brian?

Okay, thank you.

All right.

This is a public hearing, so I'll open the public hearing.

I don't have any blue cards, but if anyone would like to speak on this item, they're invited to come up to the podium.

And meanwhile, Dustin, if you'll go ahead and invite our online participants to do the same.

Of course, thank you, Madam Chair.

Uh, if you're joining us virtually this evening and you'd like to comment on tonight's public hearing item number three, now's the time.

Go ahead and click the raise hand button on your screen.

I'll call your name in the order in which you raise your hand, and we'll have you'll have three minutes.

Okay.

I should have maybe invited Ms.

Nichols.

So here's where we are on this.

The resolution before us does not include Ms.

Nichols' budget amendment, but it is on the agenda for tonight.

So let's talk about that one and find out what the council wants to do about that.

And I'll leave the public hearing open for the moment, see if this item closes any more public input.

So go ahead, Ms.

Nickel.

Madam Chair, I'm going to ask that this item be tabled.

Um support for this has waned.

And I I don't think it definitely won't move through the process in the same time frame with the uh with now crescent on the table.

So okay.

So we do we do we need to vote on the tabling or shall we just move on?

Okay.

No, you're you're welcome to just move on if Ms.

Nichols taking her uh proposal off the table for now.

Thank you, Ms.

Nickel.

All right.

So I will close the public hearing then and um looking for a motion.

And Brian, by the way, before this records, the resolution itself has a resolution number of 24-65C, so you're gonna want to fix that before it records.

Okay.

All right, do I have a motion?

So motion to motion to approve resolution 26-65C.

I will second.

All right, we've got a motion and a second.

Is there any discussion on this motion?

I'm seeing none.

So roll call vote, please, Ms.

Edwards.

Ms.

Christensen, yes.

Ms.

Houseman?

Yes.

Ms.

Sharkey?

Yes.

Ms.

DeSouza?

Yes.

Mr.

DeKaiser.

Yes.

Ms.

Stroud?

Yes.

Ms.

Nickel.

Yes.

Madam Chair, that motion carried seven to zero.

All right.

And moving on to agenda item number four, Mr.

Pace.

This is changing the definitions on public works and public utilities for the expected merger.

Thank you, Madam Chair.

As you recall, we discussed this item last week.

This is the code changes to match what you did with the budget last week, consolidating the public works and public utilities departments.

So you'll see there of the there are amendments to Title IV.

And then at Council Member Housman's recommendation in ex giving credit where credit is due.

You will find a list of 49 places in the code where the term public utilities department, Department of Public Utilities or Public Utilities Director will need to be changed in accordance with these amendments.

We did not attach those pages because that would have made for a very lengthy ordinance.

So we just listed them in exhibit C.

But by voting on this ordinance, you'll consolidate those two departments and then make all of those all of those reference changes as well.

Any questions?

Okay.

Any questions?

Thank you.

All right.

This is a council voting item.

I have no blue cards on this one either, but anyone who would like to comment is invited to step up to the podium.

And Mr.

Fratto, please.

Thank you again, Madam Chair.

Again, if you're joining us virtually this evening on Zoom and you'd like to comment on this evening's uh council voting item number four, go ahead and click the raise hand button on your screen now.

I'll call your name in the order in which you raised your hand, and you'll have three minutes.

Same.

I'll close the public comment for agenda item number four and bring it back to the council for action.

Motion to approve ordinance 26-50.

Second.

Motion and a second.

Any discussion on this motion?

All right.

Roll call vote.

Ms.

Christensen.

Yes.

Ms.

Stroud?

Yes.

Ms.

Nickel?

No.

Ms.

Houseman?

Yes.

Ms.

Sharkey.

Yes.

Ms.

DeSouza?

Yes.

Mr.

DeKaiser.

Yes.

Madam Chair.

That motion carried six to one.

All right.

Moving right along.

Um agenda item number five is an RDA meeting.

So I will make a motion that we recess the city council meeting and convene a meeting of the Sandy City RDA.

Do I have a second?

Second.

I will second.

All right.

All in favor?

Aye.

Aye.

Any opposed.

All right.

Casey.

Thank you, Madam Chair.

Good evening.

Uh RDA board.

First items up for discussion are both budget resolution items.

The first one is a proposed amendment to the RDA budget.

And the second one is actually the annual budget of the RDA for fiscal year 26-27.

Okay, any questions for Casey?

Go ahead.

So one of these is Allison's idea, right?

And have you had a chance to look at it yet?

Because we we didn't we batted it around and we didn't get your point of view on it.

Yeah, I've looked at it.

I I support it.

Um, you know, talking to administration, taking direction from an administration, administration supports it, I support it.

I think it's a good idea.

Um I like how board member um Stroud her proposal as far as budgeting the money and then letting you know staff, administration council, council staff or RDA staff work through the specifics and then bring that back by resolution for approval.

So this just actually you know uh allows the money to be put there with bringing the actual specifics of the program back.

So I think it's a good idea, it's a good use of the money.

Could we put the money towards it when when the uh particulars come forward?

You could um yeah, you could do it either way.

I don't see a problem with it actually this way, just because it's budgeted.

If you don't like the program with the specifics after it works out, it's just easy as transferring the money back to you know where the money came from, South Tonridge.

So do you foresee any additional work on your part that to be determined?

It really depends on the specific specifics of the program, how it's designed, how that.

I know um board member Stroud has talked to staff about that a little bit, and that is a concern of our hers as well, making sure that we work together on who's gonna and how the program is going to be administered.

But uh we have done this program in the past, something similar when the Owen Sandy program, you know, 16 years ago I was here and we did that and handled it um within our department.

I think this one would be a little bit busier, but uh yeah, it just depends on the logistics, but it can be handled.

Okay, thank you.

Ms.

Houseman, go ahead.

Thank you, madam chair.

Uh my question was similar.

I so I'm just gonna instead of say this say ask the same question, I'm just gonna say back what I heard to make sure I'm I'm understanding correctly.

Um so this is essentially setting money aside in the budget.

We are not allocating anything.

There will be a process established by which recommended grants, for example, are brought before us as a board, and the board will still have a say in terms of the allocation of that grant, which would you know accomplish the vision of this in helping first-time home buyers with a bit of down payment assistance.

Is that correct?

Yes, uh, and that's and so that policy component, um, I will be bringing that back, you know, working with staff, um administration to to have the council review that um and and to make sure that we are all comfortable you know trying to move forward in that process.

But yes, that's that would come later with board approval.

So thank you for that clarification, um, council member Stroud.

So it sounds like it could potentially be a two-part, which is what I was gonna recommend.

And so I'm glad to hear glad to hear that clarification.

So one part is the policy, the the um implementation, the design, all of that, which will you will continue to work on, bring back, and there will be board feedback and and then an official adoption.

Then part two is executing that policy, um, awarding the grants based on those who who apply or whatever the process ends up being, and then that's a whole nother process.

The board will be able to follow in terms of awarding those grants allocating what's been set aside.

And that's so yes, the that first part with the policy.

Um that's I'll be bringing that back for us to to talk about to discuss, uh, to look at what we felt were strengths from the old own and sandy, and then how times have changed and where that six that program was less successful and where we can try to make it more successful.

So that is kind of that phase one.

The phase two will be sitting down and trying to work out with the RDA department what all of that you know the grant allocation looks like you know, and if that's if that's handled with you know strictly with with RDA, if that's be if that's when it comes back and the I want to say council, the board um, you know, has that information to it and what that looks like, but that will come forth in the policy part of it for us to be able to decide on and to make the that plan forward.

So it is still kind of that two-step of what you're looking at of what I think the question that you're asking, but that could be carved out and uh you know the steps made um clear in the policy part of it, so that every one of us are comfortable with this.

Okay.

Uh so what you just described is a little different than what I was envisioning, and it's it's fine.

Um I want to make sure I am understanding though.

So once policy is adopted and implementation processes are established, um, standard operating procedures, etc.

It each allocated amount will not necessarily come back to the board.

You're you're saying the the the department will just move forward and allocate using the policy as as the guide.

So my uh my intention was not necessarily, although you bring up a a good a good talking point and a good question, you know, of something to look at that uh in a policy as we move forward with it.

Um, you know, it was more of originally what I had thought um was that the RDA would be able to look at that and then following just the guidelines that we set aside and and clarify in a policy to say this person qualifies, um this person does not, you know, and and just moving off of strictly what has been set aside, that way it wouldn't need to come back for our input or our oh we're going to award to this person or to or we're not going to award to this person.

Uh that primarily would be you know up to the RDA, but I I'm open for discussion and and questions, you know, because I really hadn't thought of it in that process.

I don't and that's probably something that that Mr.

Dunlevy and you know and council staff can look at.

But that's a an interesting interesting idea to it, you know, and and willing to to look at it.

But I had not thought of it in that process before.

Okay.

Can I address that?

And final, oh, sorry.

Yeah.

Board member Houseman, if you if if it's all right, I'll address that as well.

Uh like I said, we've done this something similar in the past, ran a very similar program.

There's a lot of communities that have run very similar programs.

And I think it makes sense as board member Stroud is you as a board will decide, you know, those amounts.

And once that's been set in policy, then us as staff or whoever you know is over the program, we will just administer the program.

So if they qualify, we go through their you know, the list of requirements they qualify, then those numbers or that amount that's been based on the program, we as staff will be able to just go forward with that.

That's very similar to what we've done and what other communities have done.

So I think you as a board will just set those amounts as as part of this program and policy.

That's helpful.

And so last question would be the cap is 300,000.

So of course it sounds like there's going to be several months still of identifying what the program is going to look like and how it will be administered and what policy will guide the administration of that program.

Then staff will execute that policy.

Um and once staff awards those those allocations or grants, 300,000 is the cap.

And so it's first come, first serve who meet meet whatever requirements we establish, and then that's that's the end of that's end of it.

And and that's uh the I guess kind of the vision of it uh right now.

If if for some reason, you know, the council is pleased with with the program and it's running really well, or you know, it we can always look at uh you know maybe some other funding sources or you know to come back to it.

But at this point it's just it's that 300,000.

Let's see what we can do with that, how far does that get us, um, what how far does that get you know with residents and home buyers and looking at that.

So it is just setting a cap right now that it is once that 300,000 is spent, then the program is closed.

Okay.

Last question I promised.

I I thought of one more as you were explaining that.

Very helpful.

Um my question is as we're building the policy, what measures are you, you know, are you gonna bring back some recommended measures of success?

So this is this is what success will look like.

So as we're coming back and and an update is being provided on the program, um, here's how what we are seeing stacks up to what we have considered success, so that we've got actual data to inform whether or not we feel the program has been successful.

Yes, ma'am.

That's I'm not going to be able to do that.

And I would be, you know, once we get into this this year, whether it's this time next year, whatever that is, you know, looking towards updates, you know, to see how the program, how it's working, if there's tweaks that we need to make, um, if it's successful, if it's not as successful, if we need to um adjust and move on from there, if it's something that maybe we look at and add more funding to it next year.

Um but all of that, you know, making sure that we're staying uh appraised of of how it's operating.

And sorry, Mr.

Dunley V, could you answer that as well?

Um the question about measures and what did you do in the past?

What you know, are you planning?

Do you've already you already have I don't need to know what they are right now because I know that's coming back to us.

But just I want to know that we are thinking about success criteria and measures.

Yeah, absolutely.

Uh we always uh you know think of that of your KPIs and that uh yeah, I mean we're happy to, you know, whoever runs the program, whether it's out of our office or a combination or or that, we're happy to bring those measures back.

And I think that can be kind of set up as we discuss the policy and how the program's set.

I think that can be part of that, but we'd be happy to come back um quarterly biannually annually and report on the progress of the program.

Thank you for that.

Just wanted to make sure I had a full picture.

I appreciate it.

That's all I have, Madam Chair.

Ms.

D'Souza.

Thank you.

I'll be quick.

I don't really have a question, but and I know that the policy is coming back, but one of the things that I had been thinking about between the last time this came up in conversation and and now is um maybe the inclusion of a loan officer, a lender to make sure that that what we put in place works for them or that they have maybe you know different insight that that might help make this program more successful in terms of how it might be used by members of our community in their um mortgage loan process.

So and that is actually something I know that Mr.

Frad and I had discussed a little bit of it just on the board, and we have some individuals that you know are very well versed in home, you know, the the buying and selling parts of that and using you know kind of your input and and expertise in trying to help craft some of this to make it more successful.

Okay.

I was gonna say but that the I don't have the loan process, but that's a a great question.

Um and and not understanding because I'm not in real estate, um, you know, but looking at the policy that we had in the past, you know, and crafting this and then working with you know, possibly Dan.

Um but you know, where do we stand with this and what are the right questions that we need to be answering to make sure that we get as close to it as right the first time as we can?

Okay, thanks.

Um so it sounds like we've got a long way to go.

And for a really good reason to be take our time, be super careful.

Um I did have the same question as council member Nickel on, you know, should we be funding this program now ahead of what looks like it's probably gonna be a pretty laborious task of putting together a program?

Um but I think you already answered that question, which is there's really no downside to doing so.

We could, if we don't like the program when it comes out, we can just move the money back, right?

And say never mind.

Or if there were some kind of emergency that came up and we needed the money for another use, we could do that too.

So there's no downside.

Did you even have in your short range planning any potential conflicting use for this money in this project area?

No, not at this time.

Okay.

All right.

Any more questions?

Anyone?

I don't see anything.

Casey, do you want to go through all of the resolutions first and then go back to voting one at a time?

What's your pleasure?

What would you like to do?

Um we can discuss.

I think that it makes sense to the to move on to the next resolution as well because it is the budget resolution.

And I know you as a board have discussed this in the past.

There was a public hearing that was open and closed on that.

So just opening any additional questions on the actual budget.

Any questions for Casey?

This is on the budget adoption.

Ms.

Housman, go ahead.

Sorry, I was looking for my excuse me, my hand raise.

I liked I liked the real hand, not the AI hand.

Yeah.

Um just a quick question about the Civic Center North um drawdown.

Um if that's okay, is that a is this an appropriate time for that?

Yeah.

For that.

And I I just I want to make sure I'm understanding the drawdown is it's from 17.8 million to 2.2 million.

And that's because of the two key projects we are, I guess we could say investing in.

This is an ongoing uh deliberative process, right?

That we are we're we're putting like my previous question, we're we've got some performance milestones in place.

We're we're um we're ensuring that that obligation we are we are making is tied to some performance measures.

Yes, uh board member Housman, can you re just be more specific on the 2.2 million in Civic Center North?

We're we're we're coming down from 17.8, right?

And and booking in setting aside whatever we the right language is 15 million.

Did I read that right?

That that's the drawdown for Civic Center North.

Yeah, you're probably you're talking about probably our our projects that were allocating um to future, but yes.

Um those are all yeah, performance based as far as any of the incentives we have.

Um they will have to deliver projects, those future projects, and those, yeah, they have to perform on that.

So absolutely.

We don't just uh, you know, one of our basically policies of the RDA is we typically don't do anything incentivize or that without uh those being typically performance based.

So yes to answer your question simply yes.

Yeah, perfect.

And um that's what I was interpreting.

I just I just had a quick question to to confirm similar to what I just asked before.

It's kind of a theme for me.

So I think I'm good.

And then the the occupancy of um the new communications department.

That's that's the next question.

Okay, I'm getting ahead of myself.

Okay, so then that's the only question I had budget related.

Thank you.

Any more questions for Casey on the budget?

Okay, I don't see anything, Casey.

Let's go ahead and move to that the next resolution.

Okay, the next resolution is um resolution uh RD 26 08.

Uh if you recall there was an interlocal agreement between the city and the RDA for the RDA to um or to use five million dollars to go towards the purchase of the Arbor building.

Um there was an amendment that any time that the that was requested by the RDA, any time there's a suggested department from the city that would be moving into the Arbor building.

Um staff would need to bring that back and get the RDA's approval.

Um and that department right now is uh the communications department is the next department that uh administration is recommending move over into the Arbor building.

And myself or Martin can answer any questions on that.

Ms.

Housman, go ahead.

Now is your time.

Go ahead.

No, thank you, thank you.

Um and I I and I'm glad you know that it's coming back.

I my question, my question was this is that this department is going into space that we've already been discussing.

It is not going into space that where we've lost a tenant, for example, and we would move them in.

This this is not giving up lease revenue in order to house communications, correct?

Correct.

Yeah, this is just this is vacant space that's that's already been vacated.

No, so they're not taking space with the tenant that's that's leaving.

Correct.

Okay.

Just making sure for because that's important.

That's that's all I had.

Thank you.

Ms.

Draub.

Thank you, Madam Chair.

And this isn't so I believe we discussed so RDA is planning on moving over there.

And this is not taking that space, right?

Are you are are we talking about different spaces?

And I think parks is as well with those I'll let Minstration answer that question.

Yeah, as of today, this would just be an addition, and this is space that uh we hadn't set aside for anybody just yet.

So uh no other changes to the initial plan right now.

Okay, so it'll still be so it's RDA and then parks, and then now comms will be over in Arbor.

Correct.

Perfect.

Thank you.

Ms.

D'Souza.

It would be helpful to know which space they're occupying because the the resolution was well, the last time this was discussed, it was a little bit more specific, and I don't have any information about where administration is recommending the communications department reside.

I can describe it to you.

I I don't recall the number off the top of my head, but it's the the proposal is the first floor, um, the one that's on the north side of the building down the hallway.

Uh it fits the communications team perfectly with minimal modifications.

Um just needs some new carpet, some fresh paint, uh, a couple of uh storage options in there.

Uh but uh that's where we're proposing for now.

Okay.

Would it be I like to be thorough?

I don't know, is this like a huge hurry?

Can can we get some more information?

Can we get a map with the location that's being proposed?

Because I think that's you know, part of the the amendment that was that was done was to provide the level of information that we'd need to ensure that we aren't um to council member houseman's question, you know, interrupting the revenue opportunities that made this deal possible.

And so just for the sake of being thorough I and for following the um precedent sent by the first um ask, it would be helpful to have a map and a and uh an office number for communications.

Uh yeah, we we can get that for you.

Um talking with Dan Nelson, he he would have been here, he's out of town this week, but um the space that we're proposing to move communications into has had zero interest from potential leasees so far.

So he sh he uh has shown it's been out on the market and there's no takers, so it's it's utilizing space that we is just sitting vacant right now.

Okay.

I personally I would still like to wait to vote on this particular one.

I'm just giving my intention to my words.

We couldn't we could wait.

That is okay.

I am curious from staff.

Can you bring up the map from another agenda packet on another day?

And if you want to we we could try to track it down.

We don't have it downloaded off the top of my head.

So if you guys want to move on, we could try and look and see the question.

That's what I was gonna say.

We could move kind of forward and backward, and then by the time we're done with this, if we don't have a map and have an answer to that, um we can just put it off until another day to vote on it.

It although it would punt to we don't have a meeting next week.

Did you did you?

Okay.

Brian says he has found it.

Because I was gonna pull it up.

Yeah, go ahead.

I don't have pulled up yet.

But I can share how I can share exactly.

Uh if one of you guys just wants to the easiest way would just be to send it to me and I can pull it up.

I just I want to be able to just so madam chair, I don't know, it might take a couple minutes for it to come across.

I don't know if you want to move on to other questions or move on to the adopting the budget resolutions and then come back to it.

Yes, Lynn?

I just want to clarify something Casey said that I thought was confusing.

I I may have been the only one confused.

Anyway, uh pursuant to the agreement between the administration and the council, any occupancy by city tenants during 2026 needs to be approved by the 20 by the RDA board.

So wanted to clarify it.

Good catch, thank you, Lynn.

Correct.

And that's fiscal year.

Was that fiscal year or calendar year?

Okay.

Okay.

Um are there any more questions on this particular resolution, this particular item we're discussing?

I don't see any.

I also don't have any blue cards for any of the RDA voting items.

So, madam chair, I have that if if you're okay with me pulling it up.

Yeah, go ahead, please.

Martin, is this the image you need?

Yes.

So for this version, I believe I saw the date flashed up there in February.

Um just just as a reminder, as we've gone through this process, there's lots of writ, you know, ideas in in iteration.

So nothing's been set in stone.

And so this version, um, the space where it says scope clinic is the space where the that we're proposing for the communications department to go in there.

Uh we looked at the scope clinic, we've looked at other, you know, various options for some of these spaces.

Uh the scope clinic didn't fit in there, it just wasn't a good function, so we moved on.

Lots of writ you know ideas in in iteration so nothing's been set in stone and so this version um the space where it says scope clinic is the space where the that we're proposing for the communications department to go in there uh we looked at the scope clinic we've looked at other you know various options for some of these spaces uh scope clinic didn't fit in there it just wasn't a good function so we moved on check that's the first floor uh the one on the left okay so this map that we're looking at is this an old version this isn't the one that we discussed last time right nope yeah I mean I I just saw as Dustin was moving through February so uh we we voted you voted on that um after that time so okay um yeah this it would be helpful to have more information because again like the whole point of it was just to ensure that we weren't giving up uh rental income that again made this entire deal possible and so I personally would like a little bit more information but the other question I have is what um so if if communications moves over what's gonna happen to the space that they currently have in the office on the second floor uh to be determined still still working on that and uh just changes happening right now with uh Shane moving out me moving in just to be determined so can you help me understand like why communications would be moving out if we don't have a plan for that space it's uh it's a process and so communications with with uh councilwoman houseman's proposal uh elevating the communications division to a department um we felt that it was appropriate to separate them from the mayor's office for increased access one of the themes or or messages that we heard was wanting to make sure that as the council has their new uh communications person that there's access to some of these communications channels and so that was the thought of moving them out of the mayor's suite and so as we move forward and finalize plans we'll come back and and share some of those as needed.

Okay thanks for answering my question uh that's all I have right now thanks all right any more questions about this item all right and then you have two sets of minutes you'll want us to vote on as well yeah it's actually three sets of minutes uh April 21st May 5th and May 12th RTA meetings all right I'm gonna open up public comment on all of these resolutions once again I don't have any blue cards if anyone would like to comment on any of the resolutions we're entertaining tonight for the RDA and step up to the podium and do so and Dustin it looks like we have a comment or online.

Thank you madam chair uh if you're joining us virtually this evening you'd like to comment on uh this evening's RDA agenda go ahead and click the raise hand button on your screen now I'll call your name in the order in which you raised your hand and you'll have three minutes.

Madam Chair up first is Steve Van Marin.

Steve I'm gonna allow you to begin speaking please remember to unmute yourself you'll have three minutes thank you Dustin good evening counsel as I opened uh the document RD 2608 the tab on my PDF reader says Morgan County community development and renewal agency uh I don't know if you know but in Adobe reader when you display when you open multiple documents they have tabs now and I think that probably needs to be adjusted just like the resolution number of the budget that was passed by the city council.

Thank you for your time we're not seeing what you're seeing Steve it must be a draper thing Madam Chair can I speak to that yeah so I I will all concur with Steve I actually noticed that on um Friday as well and so I looked up how to adjust that and it's a like a metadata issue within Adobe and so I went in and changed the metadata to fix it and so on mine it now does not read that way.

But it sounds like on some people's it it might still so I'm not sure why that is I would guess that maybe the resolution was produced by the RDA attorney and maybe he used uh you know something that he a template and the metadata in the back end was off that would be my guess.

Yeah the R it was produced by the RDA attorney so we can look into that but on our end it's never been a problem so but we can look into it.

Okay.

You can't think of any problems that it creates in adoption or recording or anything like that.

All it is is the name of the tab when you open it up in Adobe.

Okay.

Um so it yeah there's no impact.

Okay.

Well we're gonna keep an eye out for that aren't we?

Okay.

It's a slightly larger office, but moving the uh we moved one of them out and then um would bring the director back in.

It's putting three people into one space, and it's it's really extremely tight.

So just looking for a better work atmosphere for all of those uh employees.

Okay, all right.

Any more commenters, Dustin?

I don't see any other hands raised, madam chair.

All right, I'll close public comment on the RDA voting items and Casey.

We will go back to you.

Do you want to step through?

Sure.

Uh we'll start with uh resolution RDE 26-07.

Okay, this is the budget amendment.

Do I have a motion on or does Casey have a motion on RD 26-07?

I'm looking for a motion.

Motion to approve RD 26-7.

Second.

Okay, roll call vote.

Uh board member Stroud.

Yes.

Actually, let me start over.

Board Member Christensen, sorry about that.

Board Member Stroud.

Yes.

Board Member DeSouza.

Yes.

Madam Chair?

Yes.

Board Member Nickel?

Yes.

Board Member Houseman?

Yes.

And board member de Kaiser.

Yes.

Uh past seven to zero.

Uh next resolution, RD 26-06.

Um, this is to adopt the annual RDA annual budget for fiscal year 2026, ending in July beginning July 1, 2026 and ending June 30th of 2027.

So looking for a motion on that.

Motion to pass RD 26-06.

Second.

Sorry, Marcy.

No?

You're good.

Board member Stroud.

Yes.

Board Member Christensen.

Yes.

Board Member DeSouza?

Yes.

Madam Chair?

Yes.

Board Member Nickel?

Yes.

Board Member Housman.

Yes.

And board member De Kaiser.

Yes.

Okay.

The next one.

Um, looking for a motion on resolution RD 26-008.

This is the resolution of the RDA approving occupancy in the city-owned building.

Uh 126 Clilly Drive, Sandy, Utah.

Looking for a motion on this.

Madam Chair.

I'd like to make a motion that we bring this resolution back with an accurate map that depicts where the current offices are in the proposed office and the ability, maybe when Dan's available or somebody can answer more questions about the Arbor building and leases.

I second.

Can you include a cost to for repair?

What it will cost the city to make the repairs in the new office in the Arbor building.

Sure.

Although I think that that would I I mean I imagine that that would be part of the discussion or you know, opportunity to ask questions of somebody that had that information.

Cool.

Good.

So do you want to specify a time certain to bring it back or leave it up to Casey?

I there's no time certain, so it's I'm just looking for an accurate map and office numbers where this is proposed where everybody else currently is from the last time and somebody that might be able to answer more specific questions that relate to leases and you don't have to put it.

I have just something I'll be asking.

So they could have the cost.

So the very next meeting that that works, I mean I'm fine with that.

May I may I add to that, Madam Chair?

Sure.

I I agree that's why I seconded this.

Um I mean I think it sounds like uh an appropriate move, but but I have this very similar questions around that I I know we've been told that that has been on market and we don't have anyone interested.

Um and yet once we fill that space, it will be very difficult to find.

I mean, at that point, finding a tenant will will be difficult.

So I just want to revisit lease not like uh what is coming in from all of our current leases, and I just want to I think it it deserves just one more pass before we move forward with that just to verify we are still accomplishing the goal and not missing out on potential lease revenue you understand Casey?

Yep, okay, clear.

All right, you want to take a vote on the motion.

Yeah, okay.

Appreciate it.

Um, board member to Souza.

Yes.

Board Member Houseman.

Yes.

Board Member De Kaiser.

Yes.

Board Member Shroud.

Yes.

Madam Chair?

Yes.

Board Member Christianson?

Yes.

And board member Nickel.

Yes.

And then the last one, Madam Chair is just uh looking for approval of the minutes of April 21st, May 5th, and May 12th.

A motion.

I'll make a motion to approve those minutes.

Second.

All right.

Casey.

I think this can be an all-yeah, voice vote.

All in favor?

Aye.

Aye.

Aye.

Aye.

Any opposed.

Got what you need?

Yep.

Thank you.

Motion to adjourn the RDA meeting.

Second.

All right.

All in reconvene as the Sandy City Council.

All in favor?

Aye.

Aye.

Any opposed.

All right.

Um, we're going to that.

All right.

It is our general citizen comment period.

And so I have one card now, two cards.

I'm hoping.

All right.

To Linda Larson.

Come on up.

You have three minutes.

Yes, I'm Dr.

Trelinda Larson, and I'm a resident of Sandy.

And I have two issues I'd like to comment on.

The first one is the Central Wasatch Commission.

I understand that last week its budget was zeroed out, the dues.

Sandy's been a founding member, and I view this as enabling the gondola by giving such abrupt notice and by not recognizing our role as a steward of our valley of our of our relationship with our other organizations within the Central Wasaj Commission.

So I definitely feel that that is eroding trust and enabling the gondola.

And I want to thank Council Member Shroud and De Kaiser for standing up to this and voting no.

I thank you very much.

You both have publicly been anti-gondola, and I appreciate that.

And I think all of us who are anti-gondola appreciate it.

The second question is very puzzling to me, and I don't understand why the council has not moved forward and confirmed our police chief.

It doesn't make any sense to me.

He's been in position since April, and here he is without confirmation.

This hell has uh such a strong impact on our community because they are leaderless.

Yes, there's an intern, but we need to get our police chief confirmed.

It's really help impacting, in my opinion, the morale of our police department, which is so essential, such a basic essential service that you as the council should be addressing.

So it's uh having an issue of accountability if there's an issue that comes up, and it's also having an issue with recruitment and succession planning.

So there's a lot of issues.

I just really am dumbfounded that this council has not stepped up and done your job and confirmed our police chief.

Thank you very much.

Mary, would you like to come up?

And you'll have three minutes to address the council.

Thank you.

Well, I don't know if it uh this is really a discussion for everything, but I have a large light lot in Sandy, and I'm just wondering if they've ever decided if they've ever decided to base the rates on the size or the water rates based on the size of the lot.

I took out the front lot and did the rock, but my back lot is very large.

I got all the odds and ends of seven homes, and I have over 50 trees on there.

So for me to water everything instead of it looking like a lot of my neighbors who have let everything completely die.

I wonder if they've ever thought of basing it off the lot size or the tax rolls, or maybe a quarter acre or half acre.

Mine's 0.73.

And for me to get the same thing that someone has like a.14 seems a little unusual.

I don't know.

That's just my comment.

I just would like to see someone discuss that or think about it.

I know waters, but there's so many that are right.

My next door neighbors and several up above me.

It's just two foot high dead weeds.

So I'm waiting for fires to start on those.

So I don't know.

That's all.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Right.

That's all the blue cards I have.

Dustin, do you want to invite our online participants?

Oh.

Could you state your name for the record, please?

Alicia Rios.

I'm a Sandy resident.

I'm here.

Um I've been working with Ryan Meekham.

He was supposed to call me back, but he hasn't yet.

I'm talking about the squirrels that are taking over at all of the neighborhoods.

Seven squirrels in our yard, and we have a very small yard.

And I called Animal Services to see what to do about them.

And they said that we could give them a $75 check or credit card to hold so that they could give us traps.

And then we would catch the squirrels, and each squirrel needed its own trap.

Okay, so then I was like, okay.

So then I called, and they're like, oh, well, we only have six traps.

For the entirety of the city.

They have six traps.

I had seven squirrels in my yard at that moment.

And so, like, I'm just wondering if we can do something a little better to uh the red squirrels are going everywhere.

I my mom lives in White City.

One of my best friends lives on the other side of White City, and I live in the Draper City border, Draper Sandy City border, and we're all being overrun by these brownish red squirrels.

And there's only six traps.

And then I asked, okay, so how long do I need to wait to get the traps?

They're like, when someone brings one back.

So there's only six traps.

They have like no organization of how better to get it to everywhere.

She said that there was one guy that's caught a hundred squirrels in his yard.

And I don't doubt it, because they're all over and they're they're coming out of my neighbor's car, like they park their jeep in their driveway, and I see them crawl out of there from under their car.

So I don't know what they're nibbling on in there, but that can't be good.

And they're just everywhere.

So I was wanting to come to city council to see if there's something we can do better about that.

Thank you for coming, Ryan.

You want to raise your hand and maybe yeah, anyway.

Thank you.

Thank you.

You bet.

All right.

Online?

Thank you, Madam Chair.

Uh, if you're joining us virtually this evening and you'd like to comment on any city business, now's the time.

Go ahead and click the raise hand button on your screen.

I'll call your name in the order in which you raised your hand, and you'll have three minutes.

Not seeing any raised hands, madam chair.

Okay, I'll close general citizen comment for this evening.

We have a closed session on the agenda, but we're we'll roll past that for the moment, and we'll go to council office directors report.

You ready, Dustin?

Of course.

Uh thank you, madam chair.

Uh, just a reminder to everybody that we are canceled next Tuesday, so there will be no meeting.

It's the fifth Tuesday of the month, and so typically we cancel the fifth Tuesday.

Um, and then the following Tuesday will be the uh first uh Tuesday of the new fiscal year, and so we will have the election of council officers at the beginning of the agenda that evening.

Um, and then one other thing I just wanted to make sure you were aware of tomorrow.

Um, there is a uh emergency management event over at the soccer stadium.

The time for that has been changed.

Um, and so it used to be in the afternoon, but Chris has updated your calendar, and uh now it's from 9.45 a.m.

until noon if anybody plans on coming to observe.

I just didn't want someone to show up after it was already finished.

Um and uh I I think that's it for me tonight, madam chair.

You have to remind us that there's no council meeting next week.

I was the biggest news.

That's the first thing that's the first thing I said.

I'm glad you were listening.

All right, well, it deserves repetition.

I want everyone to mention that.

All right, so moving on to council member business.

Miss Nickel, do you have anything?

Yeah.

Um the Sandy Club's Carnival is on Thursday at 5 o'clock.

If anybody would like to go, and um maybe someone else can address the question.

I I haven't heard that the police chief has been brought back for advising consent.

So I maybe I'm wrong.

I don't know.

I just haven't seen it on the calendar, and I don't think it's a hold-up on our part.

So Miss Christianson, do you have anything tonight?

Um sorry.

Nothing also we do have quite a number of squirrels as well.

We've named them.

And they've started coming into our garage, and there's like a million.

So the traps is an issue we should talk about.

Ms.

Drog?

I was just trying to look through my calendar and make sure that I've got everything here.

Um first and foremost, so thank you, Ms.

Nickel for bringing up uh the uh the Club for Boys and Girls.

Uh the youth council will be volunteering there.

I think we have seven or eight new council members that'll be that'll start with the volunteering on that, and then they'll also uh as part of so tomorrow with the uh mass casualty event that the fire department is running.

Uh we have youth council members that will be volunteering at that as well.

Um so and I guess can continue with the emergency prep.

I was able to attend the emergency prep uh class that uh Chief Larson did, and it was on sanitation and great great presentation.

He always does an excellent job.

Uh don't believe I think it's in August.

Um be looking at uh you know having one that's a little bit longer.

I don't know if we Kathleen will have to kind of get with you on that one.

I know you took better notes on that, but um each month they have kind of a theme that they go through different things.

So, you know, it's uh the third Wednesday of each month.

So you know, come take a look and listen.

So over at brand new 31 building.

Uh we also had a police swearing-in ceremony, so we had uh two officers that were able to swear in plus an animal control officer.

Um the uh plain air art const competition up at Seagalily Gardens, and there was quite the crowd this time.

A lot of a lot of kids and a lot of adults that were participating in that.

Uh the farmers market at uh our public utilities were up there and giving a lot of information on water conservation, water-wise plant landscapes.

Um like no parking up there at farmers market.

So you go, go early.

That has grown so much in the past couple of years, and it's always you know a great place to go out and uh you know enjoy some good food and grab some things up at Ample Theater Park.

And that's it, madam chair.

Thank you.

Miss DeSouza.

Thank you.

Uh the only thing that I wanted to mention tonight is I have this council cache that I had been working on for a while, and it took me a little bit to remember to meet with everybody that I had to meet with.

But this is for Chris Edwards on behalf of the council.

Um, we wanted to thank you for all of the hard work that you put into organizing um, you know, the the various events and um tickets to various events.

So thank you very much for all of your hard work.

And I'm gonna bring this over, and you're gonna have to administer it yourself, I've been told.

But there you go.

Thank you.

All right, Miss Houseman, go ahead.

Oh, that sorry, that was me doing silent clap for do you want to do you have a report?

Trying to draw your attention, but yes, I do have several updates.

But first I want to qualify it with this is for Chris, not for me.

Um a few updates.

So first I've been um I walk fairly frequently um the park there on 17th East, 714 South, Bell Canyon Park, walking with my dog, and I've been watching the playground go up there, and I just I just want to thank um our recruit parks recreation team for for the diligence they're showing and just sort of you know um evaluating and and determining which parks get an upgrade.

This was long overdue.

I well that sounds negative.

It it's very, very welcomed and the sunshade.

Um Councilman D'SUSE always always advocates for that.

So the buzz is already in the neighborhood, people are talking about it, and it just it looks it looks really good.

So I wanted to say thank you for that.

Uh also wanted to provide an update yesterday was the Wasatch Front Waste and Recycling District Board meeting.

Um there was a lot that we covered, but the highlights I would share um of an excellent audit, clean, unmodified opinion, which is what we're always looking for.

Um so great, great to see that.

Um the district is has submitted to an RFP for Draper City that they've put out.

Um the district is has submitted to an RFP for Draper City that they've put out, and so the district responded very quickly.

It was a short time frame, but the staff worked really hard to respond to that RFP, so waiting to see what what that looks like with a potential um fold in with Draper City.

And then, of course, what occupies still a good a good amount of the conversation is Harriman City, and it's it's it's official filing to formally withdraw from the district.

That's about 12.6% of the district's customers.

So there continues to be conversation around that, but it it is an allowable thing that Harriman City can do, and now there's there's all that comes with that, and obviously there will be potential impact.

So, in terms of representing Sandy City on that district and our Sandy City residents who are served by the district, um, being very mindful of the impact of Harriman City's withdrawal and and what can we do to ensure that the gap that that is being left by that withdrawal is not just automatically passed on to residents.

So keeping um keeping just know that we're continuing to have those conversations and finally just um it's been very fun to represent Sandy City on the district as they've been discussing um what they call bulky waste, but how they want to do a little more uh curbside pickup because the demand is uh significant, and so I've been able to just offer insights and and recommendations who they can speak with at Sandy City for for what we've done in terms of curbside pickup.

And then the last thing I just want to share um I've had the had kind of the week to process on the presentation we received last week on Crescent View Middle.

Um I recognize that that we're still learning more, there's more information to come, but I I sort of wanted to just voice my support for us as a council, and I've I've shared this individually with each of you, but but also want to share it publicly for us to support placing this um on the ballot to get to get perspective and and get community feedback on whether or not um the public would support a bond to purchase in in whatever form that might take.

I know there will be a lot of options presented, but I I think it's appropriate, especially because taxpayer dollars bought this land, taxpayer dollars built the school, taxpayer dollars maintained the school.

It's why we get first right of refusal as the city in which the school you know resides.

So I think uh because this has been such a taxpayer funded um property and and building, I think it's really important that that taxpayers have it have an opportunity to voice.

So I I know there's there's um a lot still in discussion, but my hope is that we as a body can signal support for that and that administration will move quickly to to get the information that that is needed.

Um I think it's a generational decision.

It's it's 17 if I remember right, 17 acres, and and I I don't want to miss the opportunity to give to give the public a chance to weigh in on on whether we we will as a city uh get to do something with not just the building but potentially the open space around it, or if it will, you know, the next the next in line, as we heard from last week's presentation are our developers who are ready to put you know, have the entire thing be housing.

So um hoping that we'll get some additional information as as quickly as possible and hoping that that we can move forward and support that.

Um and that's all I had.

Thank you, Madam Chair.

Thank you.

Mr.

DeKiser, anything tonight?

Thank you, Madam Chair.

I just have two items.

Uh last week, Councilmember Housman and I attended the mayor's intersection safety team meeting and received great analysis and recommendation for the intersection at Alta High School, which I look forward to receiving uh when it comes to the council.

Uh the second thing I just wanted to address, um, I don't know if other council members have received these emails, but I've received some from residents uh asking the city to ban fireworks.

We even had a related public comment tonight, and um it's something that kind of comes up every year, and as I think about it, we've got all the budget stuff happening, and then it's kind of too late to do anything if we could.

Um but I just wanted to say that I understand those concerns and share them right now.

The the valley is blanketed in smoke from I think there's five fires burning around the state, and um a few weeks ago, the mayor and I witnessed uh firsthand how quickly that enzyme fire spread near the Capitol prior to that.

We had the incident near Dimpledel, and these um these events and the current situation remind us that fire danger is very real.

And um I just want to be clear, many residents asked year after year that the city prohibit fireworks, and it's something I've I've looked into many times.

And I just discussed the issue with uh our legal counsel today, and I think it's important for the public to understand that state law uh limits our authority in this area, that the legislature uh largely uh preempts local regulation, um, and we can only only do things under certain statutory criteria that are reviewed by um I think our local fire marshal and uh the city cannot uh ban fireworks.

So that said, though, I I really do believe, like I said, year after year, I get these comments, and I'm sure you do too, but I believe it's a conversation that we continue to have.

So I just I just wanted to be on everyone's radar and encourage the council to um, you know, it'd be great if in the next month or so we could have a discussion with the fire department and maybe our legislative representatives about whether there are additional steps that are available to us to better protect our community during periods like now of extreme fire danger.

Um but also since state law does not provide municipalities with adequate uh tools to respond to these changing conditions.

I think it's something that we should we should really examine.

So I just wanted to be clear on that for residents as the holidays are coming up.

In the meantime, I just encourage everyone to exercise extreme caution and and follow the restrictions that are in place throughout the city and be safe.

Thank you.

Thank you.

I just have a couple of things, and then I'll ask Mr.

Pace, because the subject is coming up to kind of have a kind of fill us in a brief thing about the whole fireworks issue.

But let me say first, uh we had a convention facilities advisory board meeting last week.

Um both the Salt Palace and Mountain America Expo Center are performing in terms of occupancy and usage well over national and even international standards.

We have about 80% uh facility utilization in both facilities, and 60% would be the national average.

Um Salt Palace had over a million guests last year, and Mountain America Expo Center had 800,000 guests.

Um the planning for the full uh salt palace shutdown, which came as a surprise to us just a couple of weeks ago in an announcement.

February 2027 will be a partial shutdown of the Salt Palace, and then full shutdown will be accomplished by September of 2027, and that is really just to try to honor some contracts with recurring customers that we want to honor before the shutdown happens, and then 2030 would be a full reopening.

Um there'll be a little bit more space and different kinds of space in the new Salt Palace.

But also, even though this announcement about the full shutdown and the decision about the full shutdown is fairly recent, already the logical questions are is there anything we can do at the Expo Center in order to maximize the space, enlarge the space, take some of the contracts from Salt Palace and move them to Expo Center.

So it creates a great opportunity for development of the Mountain America Expo Center, and I'm really very excited to work with the convention facilities advisory board.

Already, those were the roots of my questions in last week's meeting is what are we gonna do?

How soon are we gonna do it, and where are the funds gonna come from?

And we just don't have the answers to those things yet, but the assumption is that we will.

So I'll be letting you know as soon as I find out more about that.

I was happy to attend the 104th birthday party of Phyllis Okerman, who is a Sandy resident and a world war two veteran.

And I told her I'll see her next year at her 105th birthday.

But she is so spry, she is just unbelievable.

Um I attended the last big hike of the Sandy Hiking Club, but round two is coming in August.

So anybody else who our parks and recs um Sandy Hiking Club is a great event.

Um they'll be doing four more uh hikes in August.

And anyone who's interested, please do watch and sign up for that.

Um so Mr.

Pace, because this is becoming a really big issue.

Let's let's at least start the discussion now as to what Mr.

DeKaiser said, because Fourth of July is around the corner.

So we are getting a lot of outreach, it's growing.

And so could you fill us in and the public in fireworks bans, what we're doing in Sandy, what we can do, please fill us in with all the details.

Certainly.

Um and others, I don't know where the fire chief lived.

We have a fire right now.

Is there that's a good place to be?

Okay.

Um generally um the the general rule under Utah Code is that municipalities may not prohibit the discharge of fireworks.

That's the general rule, except, and then there's an exception, and the exception is in certain areas with hazardous environmental conditions as designated by the uh fire fire code official.

Those hazardous conditions are uh we can prohibit fireworks in mountainous, brush covered, forest covered, or dry grass covered areas, or within 200 feet of waterways, trails, canyons, washes, ravines, or similar areas, or wild land urban interface areas, and then you can create a boundary if it's easier to draw, you know, to create a clear boundary, you can fix the edges so it's a clear boundary.

Um of those areas can only be prohibited if there's a determination by the fire official that those hazardous conditions have existed during at least two of the last five years, and if in response to all of that, the city produces a map by May 1.

So here we are at June 23rd.

Uh the deadline for producing a map for this year has passed.

And I will just say, and I think the the fire marshal would would concur with this, the city has already prohibited fireworks in all of the areas where we're allowed to do so.

Um so basically everything, fireworks are prohibited everywhere east of 13th East and west of 13th East in uh mountainous grass covered waterways, canyon washes, etc.

So we have done everything state law allows us to do.

And so when the governor says things like municipalities can do this, yes, we can with very limited latitude as dictated by the state legislature.

If the governor really wants us to prohibit fireworks, he would call the legislature in a special session and ask them to change the law.

I'm sorry.

That's but I think that's the state of the code.

So it's your opinion that we have already banned personal fireworks to the greatest extent allowed by state law.

I am not the fire official, but that is my understanding.

I will answer yes.

And we have the right guy here to answer that question because I think that came under your authority, right?

To make that call.

Yeah, and subsequent fire marshals, but Gerald, why don't you come up here?

So in 2006, the wildland urban interface code came out.

Um at that point is when different various jurisdictions had to adopt or come up with their map, which we would determine as you know, as um Mr.

Pace just addressed, are crucial or critical areas that we would have to either uh limit or ban totally open fires or fireworks.

Um in our city, our map, the our fireworks map is also our open fire map as well.

So anytime somebody would want to have an open flame, say above 1300 East, they have to get with me to get a permit.

A licensed pyro still can, or pyrotechnicians still can shoot off fireworks like what we've had at Waterford School, or I've done some at LaCai for weddings and things like that.

They are licensed pyros.

I have to license them, I have to or permit them, I have to go there and inspect them.

That's the only time somebody's allowed to do it.

Uh, under the law, I can't just willingly go say you can't do this because I deem this too dry this year.

Um the map, and I've asked these questions every year.

So just everybody knows before May 1st, I need to know from the council or from someone from the city that you want me to look at something else in the city that you may think is a threat.

We have identified for the past three fire marshals these areas.

We don't have any historical data right now to support adding to those areas.

I would, you know, with our NIFER's reports that we uh have to file for the National Fire Institute.

Uh every one of our fire calls have that data that's collected, and so we would have something that triggered back to us that said, Yes, you had in this area this year fires that you may not have noticed.

Um I could at that point say if we had all of a sudden old Sandy, uh all of a sudden having fires there, now I could close off parts of those areas if that was the case.

Uh as I said before this meeting started, my department, my two deputies, myself, and a few of the others have driven the city.

We've identified the areas that we normally have the grasses cut down.

Um we've talked to those individuals that haven't done it yet.

This will be done this week.

Uh other areas are already completed, and so these are things that we normally will do to try to mitigate this in the areas that don't fall into the urban interface.

So vacant lots are one of those things that show up every now and then.

So regarding enforcement, what will people see regarding enforcement?

It is we we all have concerns, right?

Right.

And we're all taking step the maximum steps that we can take, and it's the legislature that's going to have to change something that allows us to take further steps.

So, what are we going to see in terms of enforcement this year?

Okay, we we patrol all of our banned areas.

Um, and in part we control and patrol the whole of the city, but we specifically go to those areas where we know we've had problems or issues in the past.

Um I say knock on wood.

Uh the last few years we've done really well with that mitigation.

We haven't had I hate saying it out loud because it all jinx it, but um, we haven't had those types of fires.

Usually the fires that we've had have not been the firework related.

Um that's years and years of education.

Mitigation wise, we go out and patrol two days, so we will have extra patrols on those days that we have the fireworks from the time they're sold till the time they're supposed to be able to uh light them.

On the day of the holiday, we'll be out.

Obviously, on the 4th of July, we're spread thin because we have so many of our personnel down here for the fireworks, but we still have two grass trucks and the on-duty crews will patrol their areas.

We've done that for my whole career, so going past 20 years now.

Um something that does make a difference, but I think I've said to some people, it's kind of hard to sneak up on somebody doing something in a big red truck that doesn't move very fast and is very loud.

So, general rule of thumb, fireworks are banned, personal fireworks are banned from 13th east eastward.

Although we do have fingers spreading out in the west where it corresponds with waterways and parks and things like that.

But 13th East Eastward is our hard line fireworks are banned.

Yes, and that that actually comes all the way from Salt Lake City to Draper.

That was something that was legislated by our state legislation, and that was the last thing that they did to help us as fire officials and police officials to we had too many pockets above 1300 east where some didn't fit into the urban interface category, but it was so hard for us to patrol that that they did help us out by doing that legislation uh four years ago, I believe it was.

So, as Mr.

Pay said, yeah, the thing that we could really have this year would be to ask the governor to come to special session if this is the way we want to go.

I would love for the citizens to do that.

Yeah.

So 13th East East of 13th East and any city or school district-owned properties, right?

So your school district properties, your churches, things like that are all private property.

So people are not supposed to be on there lighting off fireworks unless they have permission.

And I've had numerous people call my office in the past and say, Hey, can I do this?

Can we as a neighborhood do this?

And I've always told all of them if you can get permission from the church or if you can get permission from the school district, which they have never received, yeah.

Um, because insurance liability-wise, they don't want to take it.

So basically, no churches, no school property, no city property.

Well, and no parks.

Private property unless you happen to have their permission, yes.

Go ahead.

I just had a quick question about when you were talking about the prohibition on fireworks, you also mentioned open flame.

Yeah.

So that would be uh if, say, someone the lap, for instance, I had someone who wanted to do a pig roast where they dig the hole, they line with the rocks.

Happen to be above 13 ton 1300 east, they had to get a permit from me to do that.

Even though it was in the ground, there was really no open flame in order for them to actually have that flame to make the fire to have that heat in the in the ground.

They had to get that from me.

Uh the other day I permitted uh fire dancer at LaCai for a wedding.

Um so that's a licensed pyro through the state of Utah.

I show up, I see that they have all of the extinguishing equipment, that they do have their license, they have to submit it to me a plan.

I check the area to make sure that there's no debris that would uh be in danger of catching fire.

They have to demonstrate to me that they are a professional, and at that point I issue that permit.

So this is this is common for weddings, stuff like that.

So would that also include like a backyard um like fire pit that we're so board burning?

Good question.

Very good question.

So a propane or a gas fire pit.

Uh we have a lot of homes above 1300 East that have these installed, not required.

Uh they don't produce smoke.

Um so when say if they wanted to build a new one, uh they'd go through the building department, and also myself, we would sign off on that to make sure that they're built the way they're supposed to be built.

So they're allowed to have that.

A campfire where they're having wood or uh cook like charcoal or something like that, they are permitted by law to have that as a cook fire.

A person cannot burn trash, so once you produce smoke and somebody calls and complains and we come, you have to put it out, even if you're gonna roast a hot dog over smoke, you know.

So yes, you can burn on your property, and this is where it gets a little tricky as a fire code official.

I can enforce a code for businesses, I can enforce them for neighborhoods, but on people's private property, it gets a little more tricky.

Um because your home's your castle, right?

So thank you.

Yeah.

Do you know what the fine is for discharging fireworks in a band area or outside of the uh allowed time frame?

So minimum, I believe, is five hundred dollars.

Uh can go up to a lot more than that if you start with just that, and then you have property damage from there.

Serious.

Yeah.

All right.

Thank you, Chief.

Really appreciate it.

Glad you were here tonight to answer these questions.

Anything else, Slin, or covered it, haven't we?

All right.

Do we have a mayor's report tonight?

Do we have okay?

Go ahead.

Susan Wood speaking on behalf of the mayor tonight.

First of all, I want to extend a genuine thank you to all of you, all city council members, for working so closely with the mayor today to launch our outreach effort regarding this Crescent View Middle School property.

This is a super important decision that is only available for a certain window of time, so it's something that we need to explore thoroughly as Sandy residents from throughout the city.

We need to help everyone learn more about the options that we're fake that we're looking at and decide what we want to do as we move forward.

So you will see a lot more materials in the next few weeks regarding this potential property where Crescent View Middle School exists.

Uh second Sandy was a site of the big RSL watch party on Friday.

The U.S.

played Australia in the MLS Cup playoffs.

Thousands of people came from World Cup.

Thousands, thank you.

Thousands of people came throughout the state to converge on Sandy, and it was like 95 degree temperatures.

So it was just fun to be able to host something like that.

Um Mayor Zoltanski was also invited to be a panelist earlier in the week during the sports Salt Lake Tourism Symposium at America First Field, that was on Wednesday.

And it is just super exciting to see our city be the hub of sports, professional sports, and what it means, what is potentially going to mean to our local economy.

We now have four pro sports teams here.

So that was a very exciting event, and I look forward to the future.

We all do.

Mayors throughout the valley converged on Sandy last week as we hosted the council of mayors on Thursday.

It's always a healthy discussion where we can collaborate, share ideas, and address issues that face our communities mutually.

And a happy belated Father's Day to all the fathers and father figures, those who play the role of dad among us.

So they're very fathers are so important to any community, and we just extend our sincere appreciation for all they do for our families and our communities.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Do we have a CAO report too?

Yes, madam Chair.

Just a few items.

As uh Gerald mentioned, there is a fire up in Dimpledale Park right now.

Uh but Chief McConnegy has texted me and said it is fully contained.

And they uh have it under control.

So no homes were burned or no damage, but just wanted to share that good news, thankfully.

Um just a couple other quick items.

Um as a reminder, Thursday, uh this Thursday, two to four, Shane Pace's retirement uh uh party celebration uh up in the multi-purpose room.

Hope uh you'll take some time and come join us and wish him and his family the best.

Um in that same note, Jim McClintock also has a retirement party scheduled for Wednesday, July 1st from 2 to 4 p.m.

Um I believe it's up there as well.

But just wanted to make sure, since we're not meeting again before that, that uh it's on your calendar.

Um course we look forward to working with you and seeing you at the Fourth of July events coming up.

Um the the parks team, uh everyone briefed us at cabinet this morning about the lineup of events and all the hard work.

You'll see stuff starting to go out up on the promenade, and we're looking forward to that and hoping for some decent weather.

Um then also just a quick update the the Bell Canyon playground that Councilwoman Houseman mentioned.

It is nearing completion, and we will have a some type of ceremony, a little ribbon cutting, probably something somewhat informal.

We don't have a date yet, but as soon as that is set, we'll make sure that you're you're aware and invited.

So it it is looking sharp and it's a fun, exciting thing up there.

And that's it.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Ben, do you have uh a recenter report for us?

So we're going with pictures again, so we'll get that pulled up and go through that.

So this is uh updated as of uh June 18th.

And so a lot of it's the framing on the exterior.

They're doing they're finishing up a lot of the exterior and starting to move in inside.

So this is the framing that is done on the west side.

This is the main entrance, and then we're gonna walk around the building.

This is uh still on the west side, just to more to the south.

This is on the south side.

You can see the framing is done now on the south side, and then you can also see where that brick is still being built there on the bottom left.

Uh more another picture just further down on the south side.

Um, see the walking track above uh the first turn there.

Uh these are the windows.

Uh the work continues on the east side for the measurement and the placement of the windows.

And then this is the north side where the lot of general here, but just you know, work continues on the on the north, and this is where more brick is being laid.

So you can you're starting to see it all come together.

This is a picture from the top.

You can see that this is uh from two weeks ago.

A lot more has been done.

They're getting close to being wrapped up on the on the roof.

And inside, this is above the gymnasium.

Um the mechanical, electrical, and plumbing work continues overhead.

So you can see a lot of that.

HVAC and other items are coming in uh nicely there.

And that is the report there.

We did get um some reports of residents being concerned about the trees that are on the construction site.

Um right now the irrigation is off, right?

All the irrigation pipes are tore up.

So we are uh the construction leighton is uh watering those two to three times a week.

Um every two to three days, I guess is what they're saying, and they're hitting it with 10 to 20 gallons.

Um we're gonna have our arborists go up tomorrow and just kind of see what's going on because they are starting to look a little dry.

Um but they are getting water, they're resilient, they'll make it through it.

I just wanted everyone to be aware.

Thank you.

That's great.

They're really mature, big mature trees, right?

Yeah.

Yeah.

All right.

Thank you.

So council, does anyone have a motion on the next agenda item?

Um motion to go into a closed session for the character competence or mental health of an individual, and then upon completion of that, we will adjourn our council meeting.

Second.

We'll need a roll call vote.

Ms.

Stroud?

Yes.

Ms.

Christensen.

Yes.

Ms.

D'Susa.

Yes.

Mr.

DeKaiser.

Yes.

Ms.

Houseman.

Yes.

Ms.

Sharkey.

Yes.

Madam Chair, that motion carried six to zero with one excused.

Madam Chair, maybe not voting.

Yeah.

Um, I'm just hoping to have uh our council staff in the closed session, Mr.

Cadell, and then um Mr.

Jensen as well.

Okay.

Um and then just for the record, the closed session will be here at City Hall.

Right.

Thank you, everyone.

Don't come here next Tuesday night.

Good night.

Thank you, everyone.