Morning.

Before Teresa starts, I would like to thank finance and all departments.

We start this process in July.

We're in January, so by the time we get done and council approves the budget, we have a couple months off and we start over again.

So it's a long process to get here.

So thank you for all the process and preparing.

Thank you.

Teresa Fitch Finance Director.

Today I'll go over just probably five to ten minutes of an overview of the CIP budget, which is presented to you today in a presentation, and then we'll start to move forward with each one of the projects that fall, either in the 27 or the 28th fiscal year.

Sarah will, I'm just gonna over just because we have some new council members.

If you have questions, that's your time to ask questions.

If not, we'll move on to the next project.

If you have another project you want to discuss that's not in one of the first two years, feel free during the time that that director is up to ask to discuss that project.

Because once the director leaves, they won't be back today.

So I just want to make sure you know the catch them at that time.

Okay.

Can you turn the presentation on?

Do you know?

The first item I'll discuss is the um timeline, the budget timeline.

Um as you can see in that first column, this is something that Mike alluded to just now.

These are the this is the work that is done um put into place before we even get to this point.

Um we ask the council for their priorities, we get a listing of them, and then that's how we move forward with both the CIP and the operating budget based on the council's priorities.

Um the departments spend um a month entering each one of the budgets.

We have the CIP peer review, uh the finance review, we do a manager view with the review with the department and the city manager.

Um we review all the improvement requests that have been um requested, and then we balance the CIP and the operating budgets, and that brings us to today.

Uh the first um hearing is always the CIP budget.

That's today.

We'll discuss the five-year capital plan and the debt service plan.

Um February 28th, we will discuss um the operating budget and um provide a property tax overview, and then in March and April, you'll see the levy reports come out and a deadline.

Um, and then the budget wrap-up will be March 18th, and then the budget will be presented to you for approval on um April 13th.

So we're we feel like a lot a bulk of the work is done, and um we're um proud of the um of the CIP budget and the operating budget that we'll present to you this year.

So the council priorities this year, um, the same as they've been in in multiple in the last several years.

Um infrastructure is always the top of the list and has been for several years.

Um quality of life is the um second item on the list, economic development, um followed by um health and safety, and then customer service.

So you'll see a lot of a lot of the CIP budget is centered around infrastructure.

So overall the CIP budget initially at entry, it was 132 million dollars.

Uh we have cut um through the the peer review process uh around 36 million dollars and we're down to a proposed budget year of 96 million six hundred twelve dollars and six excuse me, ninety-six million six hundred and twelve nine nine hundred and sixty-five dollars.

Um the the general um liability, this is what we're gonna discuss today primarily to the property tax levy that we discussed last week.

It's the general bond bond portion of that of the levy.

So today that that's mostly what we'll focus on.

Um when we go through this, uh we look specifically at um the geobonds and determine where we need to be for our debt service and our um and our debt levels.

So when we came in, we had 60 62 million dollars worth of um geo bond requests.

Um they cut nearly um 37 million to get us down to the 25 million five hundred thousand.

Um that's where we felt comfortable with the uh debt the debt levels, uh and you'll see where we fall um based on um the allowable amount of debt.

So Teresa, quick question.

Can you go back to that screen?

Sure.

When you eliminate or not, maybe not eliminate, that's the wrong word.

When you adjust on the review process, whether it's the CIP, the manager, the department reviews, are those projects either put into future years into unprogrammed years or eliminated.

Um they're typically moved out for balancing.

So we typically uh move them out and um for balancing purposes because we need to get to a certain dollar amount or for our um GO.

And at that time, um we that's where we take your priorities and we determine okay, here's the priorities the council gave us, and then we we shift things out, or things occur.

Um, you know, either a lot of times we move around transfer ins and transfer outs based on what the the um funds look like, um, but for the most part, that's everybody puts their wishes in that first year, and then we prioritize based on what the council has as direction they've given us.

Now, of course, the council always has the option to bring things forward, change things, flop things around, um, but that's why we asked for the priorities so that we can we can present what we think the council is looking for.

Otherwise, we're just kind of guessing.

So thank you.

So the proposed um CIP, you'll see again um majority of this is infrastructure.

Um, 36% of the total budget is airport, which is a large runway um project out at the airport infrastructure.

Um, the water, um at 15% at water, which is typically infrastructure, streets 14%, and then economic development is 10%.

Those are our largest um areas um in the CIP this year.

And specifically the infrastructure investments, um, there's about $35 million at the wastewater treatment plant this year.

Um, $19 million of the annual improvements, those are things that we see every year.

Um, another $12 million in annual infrastructure, other infrastructure such as roadways, and then a little over three million dollars in bridge infrastructure.

So that's a as you can see, that's a huge a bulk of the of the CIP you'll see today.

Um economic and community development is about nine million dollars, and then the capital investments for public safety were about 1.5 million dollars.

We talked a little bit about this on Monday, um, but this is the these are the CIP funding sources.

Um, as you can see, a large um majority of our funding is not um geo bonds.

So a lot of that comes from water, sewer um grants.

Uh some of it is when we say revenue um abated bonds, those are um water or sewer abated bonds.

They are not our geo bonds, so a little bit different.

Um, those are paid for out of our enterprise funds.

So this is our debt service screen here.

Um, just understanding the the restrictions of the debt service levy.

Uh right now Iowa code allows us to have five percent of the assessed value in debt.

Um we the so our debt level would be 43 million dollars.

As of right now, we're at 152 million.

We're at 36.8 percent of this limit, which is uh really good.

Um we're proud of where we're at with our debt level.

It does help us in our bond ratings every single year.

Um so that's um you know that's important to note.

Um additionally, we've been working really hard to keep that low, knowing that in a couple of years you'll see in the in the book, we have some very substantial projects that are coming for um infrastructure that will require additional bonding.

So we've been planning for that knowing that that's coming forward.

So this screen here will tie in um to what we've discussed again on last Monday with the presentation, but also with operating.

This is the portion of the levy that that this the CIP impacts.

Uh this portion right now, um, the levy for debt service is 2.83, which is a reduction from the 26 budget of 3.34, which is 15.25%.

So that's that's a great um that's a great start.

Right now, I I also wanted to let you know that um what the impacts are if you do a reduction or an addition to the CIP budget.

So if you reduce um the CIP budget by 103,000 in geo bond funding, the residents and 100,000 dollars, each hundred thousand dollar assessment will see a reduction of a dollar, and in a commercial residence, we've changed that to three hundred thousand dollars because that's what the state has told us the average is.

So now you'll see commercial will be noted as three hundred thousand, and it will be four dollars per $300,000.

If you decide to add today anything to the geo bond funding, um a resident will see an additional one dollar for every $100,000 or $125,000 that you add, um, and a commercial um property will see a six dollar addition to the property taxes.

So the reduction is $103,000 and the addition is $125,000.

That does change a little bit as we as we change the um debt service.

It fluctuates a little bit.

So that's all I have for you this morning.

Do you have any additional questions as it relates to the CIP budget?

Or no?

Okay.

I truly do have to say, you know, you and your team and Mike, you make reviewing the budget so manageable, and primarily because of all the cross-references that you have between looking at the detail of each project and then the summaries of each project and how they cross-reference each other.

I just wanted to make that comment that that it you you really do make the process.

I don't want to say simple because we're dealing with difficult concepts, but you really do a nice job of bringing it to an appropriate level.

Thank you.

I think the departments and finance staff have tried to do a really good job of trying to bring it full circle so you can see where everything comes.

It's it's been a work in progress, but I appreciate that.

Thank you.

It's been a lot.

Is that a lot different from what you it is?

I don't want to say it's significantly different from 20 years ago.

Bob would know probably the transitions better than I do, but I don't remember the what I really appreciated in the review this time was the cross-references to see where the projects were, the funding sources, and especially amongst the departments and the cross-references to funding sources.

And I don't recall it being as the cross-references being as efficient before.

We did add about three or four years ago the cash balance and um on the bottom now.

We have all of the encumbrances and the anticipated expenses, which is really helpful because we used to have a cash balance, and then council said, Hey, you have a huge cash balance, but they didn't know that there was already an encumbrance in place.

So we already had a contract that was going to eat that cash balance.

So we spent a lot of time talking about that and providing that to council on the floor.

So we decided to just add that to the book so they were aware.

Um it does also bring to light to the departments and to us.

Hey, you have these encumbrances, but this is what you have left in cash.

What do you have left?

And so it does force um our hand to use more project balance.

I think we've been better about using project balances and moving the cash around because it's right there in the forefront, it's all right there in front of you.

So I think that was a really good change.

So that that is something that you will not see in the approved book.

It's only in the proposed book because obviously that will change and changes throughout the approved book, but that's something that we've changed to to bring forward to the proposed book, so it's easier and more transparent for council.

That was a great addition.

Yeah.

And obviously, I agree.

We've already taxed for it.

So by moving it around using it, best way to go.

And I will note that you'll find that we do have some technical changes that will come back because by the time once this print this goes to print, it's almost no good anymore because things change, they get different.

Um, you know, they get updated uh bids.

We I just had one yesterday that we'll talk about today that was good.

That was it will be a reduction, but there will be changes that will occur to this only because as we continue with normal business, we'll start to see some bids come in and changes to that.

So thank you.

Up first, we have the art center project 33903 Art Center Capital Projects, page 68.

So Todd is not present today.

Um, he wasn't able to be here.

Um, if you have questions on this project, we can bring it back to operating.

Does anybody have any questions they want?

Library, project 31907, morning site library improvements, page 173.

Helen Rigdon.

Good morning, council.

Helen Rigdon, library director.

Do you have any questions on ours?

Uh we don't have anything current in this current year, but we are looking forward.

Uh our probably our main focus would need to be on the air handler and the chill or some at morning or downtown here.

It's been original since 1990.

So we've been babying it along, and we're keeping our fingers crossed till last another year.

So and that was project 319013, Wilbur Elf's library improvements, page 174.

Is that uh is that a uh complete redo or is it just uh no asphalt overlay?

What on the morning side lot?

I Gordon Gordon did that, so I don't know.

I would assume it's a complete redo.

It's a complete redo because it needs new curbs and everything that in the islands.

So yeah, I understand that, but it's not like it's a high traffic area that a two-inch overlay wouldn't solve a lot of problems, it probably half the price.

I would like it at least look at that between the next year.

I was just gonna say that too, and also I want to add, you know how it gets torn up with the festival, the carnival.

Yes.

So I'm not sure that yeah, I know they they keep assuring us that it won't in the future.

It does.

Um, you know.

My opinion is we could reduce the size of the pavement part and turn it into green space out there, because we don't need that much parking in that lot.

It sits empty most of the time.

Not empty, but I'm glad you responded that way because the question that I have will both with regard to the projects in 28 and 29.

I would like to see how your the library board is looking at its short-term and long-term plan for those facilities and others in the community before we start aggressively committing to Bob and Julie's point about those kinds of modifications.

It'd be nice to know what you I know your tenure, but yeah, what your board envisions.

Okay.

Excuse me, over the next five to ten years.

So I think we have a better understanding or a better sense of how we process fairly significant commitment.

Yeah, they will have a new strategic plan coming up at the end of this year.

Okay.

So good.

We will say too, when we did meet with the board on the especially on the downtown facility, they were okay with pushing those out from 27 to 28.

Just for that.

Yeah.

Thank you.

We'll bring that project back to wrap up for additional discussion.

Did the parking lot one?

Okay.

The orderly.

Yep.

Okay.

Thanks.

Teresa, can I ask you a quick question before we go to the next one?

Uh on each one of these, there's a score matrix.

Um, what what is the weight of those and you know, just being the new kid on the block.

Available.

I can provide it for you.

Um, but we uh when we go through peer review, we provide um just a scoring based on I I don't know, I don't memorize all of them, but um based on just the different these different categories, and then we um score them.

I'm not sure that we use them quite to the level we could.

Okay.

Um, but we've kind of moved towards using um council priorities.

Right.

Gotcha.

Um away from this, but um, I could I'll provide that for you.

Thank you.

Museum, project three four nine zero zero three museum tech equipment replacement, page one hundred eighty, Steve Hansen.

Morning, mayor of city council, Steve Hansen, six oh seven fourth street.

That's where I live a lot of the time.

So um first of all, thank you for your service.

So next sixty days would be pretty important for uh decision making time.

So um we have the two requests, one for the uh downtown museum and then also one for the uh welcome center.

So open up for any questions, board thanks for raising 50,000.

Uh what I'm reading.

Yep.

Twice.

Pardon?

The donations.

Right like the private portion, like 100,000 the last year.

We've actually uh between the board and other outside resources have put in about 300,000 into the downtown museum between the sports exhibit and phase one and now phase two.

So thank you.

Good luck.

Thanks, Steve.

Thank you.

IT project three five or eight five nine zero zero six.

Quick info service upgrade, page three four thirty-four, John Molloy.

Let us apologize for having you get up so early and go to work.

I know it's not customary for you to be up with early, so thank you for taking time out of the schedule.

Mayor, Mayor Portem, Council, thank you for that introduction.

Morning, John.

Good morning.

Not sure where to go with that.

Uh the highlight of our of our uh FY27 budget is is the hyperconverged infrastructure HCI, uh server storage and switch infrastructure that we replace about every five years as one of our big ticket items.

And um again that that's the brunt of our budget.

I did share with the WIC commission this past Wednesday.

We we did get word with all the AI data center builds going out throughout the throughout the world and the nation.

They're anticipating 30 to 40 percent increases in our electronics.

So from the time I submitted this budget six months ago until now, there's gonna be a delta there.

I I just want this budget, I don't want this council to be aware of that.

So um that could be problematic when we got go out to bed here in six months.

So you're anticipating possibly another 250,000?

I was gonna say 200,000.

We probably built five percent into into this budget right now, but yes, I I that would be a high water mark, and I would say 200,000, 100,000 each side.

We can go as is, but I just want you guys to be aware of that.

Memory has gone up almost 60 percent in the four since the fourth quarter.

There's a lot of stress on the industry again, supply demand.

So again, I want this council to be aware of that.

So if we when we go out to bed and I present the results, we're we're most likely not gonna have enough fun.

So I know the mayor understands all this.

Oh, yeah.

I'm all for you, you know that.

And do you know when you're taking that out to bed?

I anticipate July.

We'll go.

I'd like to go sooner and later, because we need to prepare.

Um we're gonna change our what we call our virtualization uh infrastructure at that time.

I again I showed the WIC commission um this past Wednesday.

The software that we run for that has gone up 200% each of the last two years over 200%.

So it's it was at 15,000 a year.

Now we're we're at 93,000 in two years.

So we're gonna switch that platform as well.

So go go ahead.

I was just gonna say, does it help your pricing if you can do it in April versus July?

That's what I was gonna ask as well.

Because we can bring after the council approves it, they can bring funds forward.

Yeah, I mean, because you could likely send it out to bid, get some bids, and they would have those prices for at least a certain period of time, right?

Correct.

Maybe that allows you to eliminate that delta of 20 to 30 percent.

Well, they said first quarter, so they said February 1st is what I was understanding.

So we could we can try that.

Um my other concern is our current infrastructure is I think expires in January, February next year.

So then we we lose that six months of useful life of that.

So again, those are both options.

We can do that.

I I'm and we've done that before.

That's a great idea.

So you want to bring this back to wrap up for discussion?

Okay, we'll bring it back to wrap up for discussion.

Okay, see if we can get to come back.

I look forward to it.

Okay.

Anything else?

Okay.

Events facilities.

Project 379010, Tyson Event Center Remodel and Repair.

Page 134.

Morning, guys.

Morning, council, morning, Mr.

Mayor.

Um Chad Smith, General Manager of the Tyson Event Center, Orpheum Theater, and Sue City Convention Center.

Um, big projects we have this year is a long overdue chiller overhaul for our smaller chiller at the Tyson.

Um, it is the one that has ran a majority of the year due to working in cooperation with our ice plant to keep the ice sheet um functional.

We can't run our big one because they share a cooling tower um with the ice plant, so we have to run the smaller one, otherwise we would starve the ice plant and it would burn up the uh the ice plant.

Um explain that to me because ACNR not too long ago did a big chiller job there.

The big chiller, yes.

Um, this is the actual um cooling um chillers inside of the the ice plant area on the west end.

We have a small two-ton, and then we have a large five ton.

Um the larger one when it's in operation.

Um, we usually run that when the ice sheet is out because as I mentioned, they share the same um system.

And because it is so much larger than the smaller um ice chiller, it actually will overpower um the ice plant and it'll actually shut it off.

Okay, no.

This one particular has not been rebuilt yet.

Um the service life for these units is about 40 years, but with a 10 year every 10 years, they're supposed to be rebuilt.

This one has never been rebuilt since the building was opened.

So we're looking at 23 years without a rebuild.

So that's why this is a is a big priority.

Um when we did our eddy current testing, we are fortunate there wasn't any clogged pipes.

Um we had to we did have to plug two, but no significant issues that would affect it in the long term as long as we do a rebuild soon.

Um the lighting control system, that is the computer that controls all of our um hallway concourse lights in the Tyson, but it also connects to the long lines recreation center.

That computer um unfortunately is an old Windows XP computer, which I'm sure most of you know has not been serviced by Microsoft since 2013.

Um my fear is at some point that that computer goes down, and I we have no way to control the lighting system in the venues.

Um because everything is done with computers and relays now.

So we uh we treat that computer very gingerly and make sure we keep it clean and make sure that we're taking good care of it.

And then finally, uh basketball court.

Um court serves its purpose.

It is getting old.

Um it's reaching its end of life.

Over the last two years, we've really noticed that it started developing dead spots.

So when you're dribbling the basketball, it doesn't have the same rebound off the court surface.

Um it's something we notice primarily during the NAIA basketball tournament, which coaches have noticed and the in the tournament committee have noticed.

So that is that is the main reason that the basketball court is on there, as we want to be able to provide a playing surface that meets the NAIA standards, and would allow us to hopefully at some point recruit a NCAA game to the building as well.

What causes that?

Um over time, um, the building doesn't have humidification system to kind of regulate humidity.

So over time, the boards just kind of get softened, being moved and set up and and set and put away over and over a span of 10 to 15 years, does that as well.

Um additionally, it just wood degrades over time.

We've done our our our best to keep it um repaired.

We've had to continually buy clips.

The company that built our current court is Robins Courts, they can make great courts, but the industry has kind of moved away from their style of court to a different style that's much easier to assemble, um, much easier to maintain, and it uses some composite materials as well as wood.

Um so it actually increases the durability and the duration of life on the product.

And how long does it take to get one?

Um if we were to to get the court approved, I wouldn't have it before this in the AIA tournament, but we would have it by next fall.

So we would have it for bomb guards next year, Globetrotters next year, and the NAIA tournament next year.

So what are you gonna do for the NAIA this year?

Uh we're gonna use our court, it's ready to go.

You're gonna use what?

Our court.

Okay.

We um we've spent the last two months making repairs, uh trying to get rid of the dead spots.

Um and any damages that have occurred over the last couple years, um, including a rental that we had last summer when we rented it to the United States um badminton um for a tournament they held in council bluffs.

When it did come back, it did have some damage, and unfortunately uh we had to do some repair work to it at that time as well.

They pay you yet?

They have not paid me yet.

We just finalized the bill for the damages, so we'll be sending that bill for the final damages, which were just under $2,000.

I I got a question at $684 for a roof, but yet we have all this other stuff we're doing.

So explain that to me.

Last year we were just supposed to do a roof.

That's what it was.

And but now we're doing all this other stuff.

Some of that still could be carry over from previous year.

What did the roof come in at?

It wasn't 684, it came in pretty cheap.

This is what I want to make sure, because then we we go spend the money on something else.

Um, Jessica Johnson, the city manager's office.

I can bring back the official number for the Tyson roof.

We did just have the roof budgeted in FY26, and that amount was we also budgeted in case we had to do installation repair, like any installation, and I don't think believe we did, so it did come in a little bit less than that.

And as you see, we are expecting.

No, it was more than that.

It was more than that.

I can bring back the official number.

I don't have it.

Yeah, um, and then some of these other things are holdover items from FY25 that weren't completed yet.

Whatever that roof came in at, my point is less should not be just up to you guys to decide how to spend it.

If it's budgeted or something, then that money should come back to this council.

Yeah.

Not uh not go get a wish list of other stuff, or it should roll forward.

So we asked for less less taxes in this year.

Yes, um, I don't disagree.

Any project that we are using that money for has come to council, will come to council.

Like we have the South Plaza repairs, the voids that we have in the like the smokers area.

That was an unanticipated expense, and that's coming to council in two weeks, I believe.

Um that's one of the unanticipated expenses.

Anyway, it should once the once a project in one of these budgets here.

I mean, if it's a street project, it rolls to another street project.

I get that.

But if it's a a project like this, it's it should have to come back when you're changing your priorities, is all I'm saying.

So when you when the work plan changes, if there's additional items, okay because get added that we don't know about, that's all I'm saying.

Okay, we'll give direction to provide a memo if there's um if they come in below so that you're aware of the additional.

I did get notified that that roof came in.

Yeah, but then that money doesn't come back to the city.

Yes, I understand that.

I just know that we were notified.

Oh, yeah.

I get all the bids every week.

They send them to ask for it and they'll send it to you too.

So you already have that process in place that we are notified if it's either over or under significantly.

But we'll just ask for direction on that on the underage so that you're aware of what the work plans or we can reprogram it into something else.

I was gonna say, yeah, as of right now, I believe our practice has been we leave it in this project, and then if something comes up, then the project comes to you guys, and then we explain like where the financial impact is where we're come where the money's coming from, and then if not, it stays in here as the expected year in balance.

So we are expecting to have a year in balance.

So if we need to reduce our ask that we're gonna do that, well you did next year week.

You're using 150,000 dollars in project balance this year to fund it.

Yep, yep.

And all that.

Yep, I understand what you're saying.

That's all.

All right.

Can we go back to the basketball court?

Is this the basketball?

My recollection is that this is not the original court to the facility.

It is not.

And that the we had an opportunity, I believe, from the NCAA Final Four, they sell their courts when they're done using them.

So is there a market for for facilities like that?

There is like that.

What I've noticed is it all depends on how the court is resurfaced when they're resurfaced.

This court has already had three resurfacings.

Um, unfortunately, the last time it was resurfaced prior to me being in the in the venue, um, it was sanded a little too much.

So it's actually thinner in some spots where the where the the joints come together to the point where if we would want to resurface or refinish it, should we be able to get it perfectly repaired ever?

Um we couldn't resurface it or refinish it again.

But I mean, in when you replace this court, is there a market for used as well?

Yeah, there is a market for used courts.

Um a lot of times it will depend on the life's lifespan left.

So it depends on if it's resurfaced or not.

The companies that are that I've talked to to kind of get an idea of what to put in here for a balance for the project.

All work with the MBA and the NCAA, and actually their courts are used for that, and that is one of the options that they can do is to refinish that NCAA finals court or that NBA finals court and repurpose it for another venue.

It would be one one of four possible refinishes.

Um typically a court can do four refinishes before it's it's run its lifetime.

So we'll bring them we'll bring a memo back that just indicates what the bid came and then what the additional funding was utilized for for wrap up.

I just had a question about your own program uh uh lines there.

Um is there why is that you know um not specific or some of that is uh because we don't we we don't really fully know what our vision for the the venue is long term right now as far as remodeling and updating and stuff.

Um there's there's major renovations.

The as I mentioned the facility is 23 years old.

Um it's never really had a true facelift.

Yes, the seating bowl has been replaced once.

Um but as far as just updating the amenities, buildings 23 years ago were designed completely different than they are now.

Premium seating was not a priority.

Um guest experience wasn't as big of a priority as it is now.

So that's why some of that is over there, is because it's it's such a large spend um to do the renovations and the things like that that don't really know how to properly plan it or to phase it.

Um some of these were in here beforehand.

Um the one I actually added was the dressing rooms because that's one of the the problems that we have is dressing room space or entertainers uh areas when they come into the venue.

We're square rooms with a bathroom, and a lot of venues have have started to create artist areas specifically for when those tours come in to make it feel more at home because they live on the road, they live in a bus.

So they they've created artist experience areas or artists areas specifically.

So that's that's why that one was put in there.

And that's that is a very rough estimate.

Um some of these other ones have been in there for for a few years, like the freight elevator, for example.

The building never was built with a freight elevator, so if we can't get it into our passenger elevators, we have to push it or or forklift it up the old ramps inside of long lines.

So there's just things that would need we need in a facility that would make it more efficient and make us bet better operators, but it the financial spend on them is so much, it's really hard to come to a council meeting and say, hey, um, can I have 1.5 million dollars to do X.

It's really hard to come to a council meeting and say, hey, um, can I have 1.5 million dollars to do X?

Um I know how difficult difficult it was for us to get the roof done.

And that was one of those items we really needed desperately for multiple years.

So just in that same thing, renovating long lines, like what one I'll be honest, that's been in there since as long as I can remember.

Um I I don't know if that was meant specifically for long lines or if that's meant for the two buildings combined.

Okay, project 379013, annual Tyson Event Center maintenance improvements.

All right.

Um again, we're just looking at items we can use to keep us more operational efficient and and keep our equipment um in good shape.

Obviously, tables over time just degrade and break down.

So we we try to constantly replace tables on an annual basis.

Um we've converted most of our tables from wood over to the polycarbonate ones because they're lighter, easier to move around.

Um additional fobs.

There are a few f uh non-fobbed entrances in the building that we would like to get fobs so we can control access better.

Oh I was reading it off of the sheet.

I'm sorry, I looked at the wrong ear.

Um, hockey glass and and the dashers, um, as well as the basketball hoop and the lactation pod.

Um the hockey glass.

Um, if you've come to a hockey game in the last couple years, you've noticed over time the the poly or the plexiglass um gets scuffed and loses its its clear uh its visibility.

Um we've took a lot of time this fall really buffing out the glass with a specific compound for that type of of glass.

Um if you've been to any of the hockey games this fall, you'll notice the glass does look better, but over time certain puck marks or or um even checks into the glass just don't buff out anymore.

So what we would like to do is start slowly replacing the glass panels on um around the arena uh to make it a better guess experience for the fans so they can see the the playing surface easier.

Additionally, our dasher panels are starting to break down this season specifically.

We've had five pucks actually go through the dasher wall behind the goalies, and it's just because over time that that um polymaterial just softens and breaks down, and the the kids are faster and stronger, um, and their puck speed is so much more than it used to be, and they've actually popped pucks through the dasher walls.

So we've had to replace five dashers this year.

Um so ideally we'd like to kind of start replacing those dasher panels um slowly because there are so many of them.

Can I just ask with the hockey glass replacement?

Is that just a two-phase yes?

So it's half one year, half the next.

Okay, and same thing for the dasher panels.

Yes, that's it.

Yeah, um, for the dasher panels specifically, the ones that are on the sides, or you know, on the on the east to west sides, don't take as much of abuse.

They're not on the curve.

The curve is where the stress comes, and that's where the panels that are getting damaged are at is on the curved ends, because they do have flex in those panels when they come to us, even the ones that go on the curves, are straight, so they they actually get flexed as they get put in place.

So there is some stress on those panels as well.

So stress combined with age, combined with faster and harder hits is where that damage has happened.

So this would allow us to have more panels.

I think we're down to about 10 replacement panels right now.

Um, so it'd be it'd be nice to be able to replace the panels we have and save them in reserve if we would need them, but also slowly replace the panels.

That done in house, or do you have a better?

We do that ourselves.

Okay.

Um Alfred Taylor kind of takes care of all of our ice dashers and the ice and the Zamboni.

So that would be Alfred and the operations team as well as Mike Burkowski, our new director of operations.

They've where they would be the ones taking care of the ice and the glass.

Um the basketball hoop is it goes right hand in hand with um the court.

The basketball hoops we have now work perfectly fine.

Uh the only downside to them is they're much closer to the floor space than the current newer models are, which creates a bigger buffer zone for the athletes as they come underneath the hoops.

Um, they're a lot less likely to run into the towers because they're they're back set farther off the court than new ones are.

Ours are about three feet off of the baseline, which anymore is a little bit tighter than what leagues in the NAA would prefer.

So this is really driven by feedback from the NAIA that they they want us to upgrade not just the court, but they really want us to upgrade our playing standards for the for the athletes.

They do have a national deal in place for the NEIA with a company that actually provided the new volleyball standards, Garrett Performance Sport.

They're gonna be providing us two basketball standards for the NAIA tournament this year as part of their sponsorship for the NAIA.

So that'll give us a good view of what their product will be so that we can have a better idea because their product is actually a little bit cheaper than spauldings.

Um very similar in design, but it also has some features that the spalding ones don't have, like power assisted lift instead of springs, so it's a lot less labor-intensive, saves time, saves money.

Um so hopefully if those work well, that'll be one that we can put in this because this bid is is based off of the spaulding renegade, which is what the NAAI or the NCAA and the MBA use and what most colleges use.

So if the Garrett Sport ones do work, they would be significantly less, probably 20,000.

I actually um Andrew, the salesman and I have been talking about that because I told him that the basketball hoops are on the CIP for this fiscal year.

Um so he's coming back to me with a with a price.

He would love to bring them here and leave them here in March, but obviously um won't know if we can do anything like that until after today.

And can we contact some other facilities that currently use these that perhaps have used spaulding in the past and are using these now?

Um, you know, just to have a chat with their facilities folks to say, is it worth it?

Do you like it?

Do you not like it yet?

Right, because we all know cheapest isn't always best.

True.

Yeah, no, absolutely.

I can reach out to we have enough uh sister facilities with an OVG that we can reach out to them and actually talk to them and see have you used the Garrett product.

No, nope, nope.

No, talk to the operations guys, the guys that actually doing the setup work.

Right.

Yeah, no, absolutely I can do that.

And and to Bob's point, I'm guessing that a significant portion of the cost of the units is mobilization, transportation, mobilization getting there.

If they're getting them here for the event, to Bob's point, I can't imagine that it wouldn't it probably be very cost efficient to look at that option.

Yeah, in looking at the product that they provide, it looks very similar to the spaulding renegades.

So if it's as good of a product or as easy to work with, absolutely, I would go with the the cheaper product if it's if it's comparable.

Um finally the lactation pods.

Um, this is a just a service to our patrons.

We have a lot of new parents or expecting parents uh that come into the venue, and we right now don't have a spot, including one of our own staff members, for them to go and take care of their child if they have them at an event and feed their their baby or to pump.

So many venues, um, I'm sure if you've been to an airport or um any college campuses to an event, you'll see these lactation pods hidden on their concourses, sponsored by some sort of business.

We'd like to provide it that same type of amenity to our parent our customers and patrons here.

Um it's just something we feel is lacking that's very simple and that could add a lot to uh a person's experience in the venue.

Yes.

Right.

So that is all those.

Project 379051 convention center upgrades, page 138.

You have me one more time, I'm sorry.

Um so currently we are working on getting bids for the AV project for the FY26.

So that is still in progress.

I just want to give you an update first.

The carpet and paint for the meeting rooms one through 10.

We've started that already, actually, Monday, um, Martin Luther King Day, they will start paint on rooms one through five.

So that project is moving forward.

Um additionally, uh I'm gonna be getting with Jessica here shortly to determine the amount of tables and linens we want, eight foot versus rounds, um, and then we'll carry that over.

And the plan is to get all of our tables and linens that we need ordered at one time with the money from this current year that we're in, and then when we're proposing.

Um, and then the net the final kind of big one there outside of the food and beverage items is the carpet for the main galleries, A, B, and C.

Um, if you've been in the building in the last couple years, you've noticed that over time, even replacing the carpet squares in that that that area is getting more difficult.

We do still have some, but with the some of the events we have with cars coming in with um weddings that have punches that are red or other colored beverages, uh, they tend to stain those carpets eating with carpet uh cleaning um and regular maintenance.

Uh over time, it just gets harder and harder to clean that and replace those carpet squares.

So we're looking at refreshing that, which also hopefully enhance the uh aesthetics of the room and and make it more appealing to people to come in.

Okay.

Up next we have fire.

Thanks, guys.

Project 159018, fire apparatus replacement, Chief Collins, page 152.

Morning, council.

How are you?

Uh so one five nine zero one eight, uh, page one fifty-two, I believe.

So uh fiscal year 27, we're looking to replace um three vehicles, um, two squads and a mechanic pickup.

The squads are used for uh emergency services.

Uh typically we don't like to take the the great big trucks on normal EMS runs just because the wear and tear on those.

Uh so uh back in 2012, uh we went to a squad concept where their pickups outfitted with basically modules on the back of the boxes.

Uh the modules are not being replaced.

This is just for the chassis.

Uh so two squads and then the mechanics pickup uh was purchased back in 2008, I believe.

Uh it's been uh a lot of repairs been done on it.

Justin's done a fantastic job of keeping keeping the wheels on and keeping those wheels turning, uh, but it's time for that to be replaced.

So that is that is fiscal year 27.

Uh last year we had had uh three fire engines in there, but due to the length of time to receive those with the work of finance, we we moved those out several years until we're confident on when they're going to be arriving, and that we'll pay for in that fiscal year.

So those items actually already came to council.

Um and in the financial impact, it did indicate that based on our direction, we've requested that they ask for the funding in 28 and 29 based on the delivery date because we didn't want a bond for them and then sit on money for two or three years.

So those um programmed in 28 and 29, as you see above in the encumbrance, those are already ordered items.

We've just spread them out so that the funding doesn't all occur in one year based on the delivery date.

So three years out at least.

Yeah, 2.54.

Exactly.

Exactly.

But hopefully.

Is that right?

Is that what I'm reading?

Right up above there.

The cash balance includes the encumbrances.

Yeah.

So it's 1.4 is the negative.

Right.

And then it jumps to four 421 positive.

Well, because we right but the map, I'm I'm just asking because the map I know if you take the 2.7 off that's 1.3.

And you only got 400, so there's 900.

It's two of them.

This 950 for the two of the for the is it because of the 950 for the truck that isn't here yet?

Um, yeah, for these two here.

Yep, that are 28 and 29.

Those encumbrances include that, yes.

That I get that, but if you take 1.4 negative, 2.7 back in, that's 1.3.

Not in this one is included.

Okay, that's what I'm asking.

So all three of those project 159019 fire station improvements, page 154.

Uh Fiscal year 27.

This is uh majority of this is gonna be the remodeled the station one restrooms.

Uh station one was built.

That's roughly 40 years old.

Uh, and a lot of the fixtures in the bathrooms are no longer working.

Uh we want to uh be able to expand it to accommodate for more um female facilities uh just because we have more females in the department now than we ever have before.

Um sorry, but 200,000 that's a lot of bathroom.

It's the showers, um the bathrooms, the sinks.

It's a lot of money.

Uh how big is that room?

Not that big.

I couldn't even tell you the the square footage of it.

Um four stalls, three urinals, four sinks, um, and then a large shower area.

I couldn't even I couldn't even tell you what square footage is.

Where do you get the number from?

Uh that that was that was an estimate from Mark.

Wow.

Want us to ask for detail to see if you can.

Well, that's a lot of I mean uh you took well ten thousand dollar bathroom with your house and take it times ten, that's a hundred thousand, so you're taking it times twenty.

We can ask it is, I don't know, that's a lot of money.

We can ask for that.

I'm sure a lot of it is is the actual plumbing itself.

It's just not the fixtures and the cosmetic stuff.

It's kind of tear out.

It's it's a complete tear out.

Yeah, but you're not tearing out the floors and that.

If it's floor drains, yes, you would be.

Maybe it'd be helpful just to see some of the details.

If you can get us some of the detail.

Sure.

We'll bring something back for wrap-up in the memo if there's additional information.

Okay.

Project 159031 public safety generators, page 162.

Uh, if you look at the at the on the work plan on page 163, um majority of our our generators have been replaced here within the last um two decades.

Uh the oldest one now is the police fire headquarters, and quite frankly, it's it's working now.

Um and this is a project as we move closer, um, it may be moved out uh dependent upon the need at the time.

These generators typically run dedicated outlets as far as headquarters.

Um right now it's dedicated circuits, um, but with everything being electronic now, uh, I'm guessing the need is probably for something a little bit larger.

Uh it runs the the radio communication centers uh or the the radio system, the antennas inside the the building.

So uh it is needed having some type of alternative power source when the power goes out is is necessary.

And this is a 28 request, and you're anticipating it may even be able to move be moved further?

Yeah.

So that's got to be a project to try to get that inside your building.

Because that's inside.

Chief, is that that would have to be raised and they that's a rooftop unit, correct?

The generator?

Oh, that's headquarters.

I'm sorry.

I'm thinking of station one.

I'm sorry.

I'm sorry.

Okay.

Project 159032, major response equipment, page 164.

So fiscal year 27, we typically have uh if you look at the work plan uh on page 165, every fiscal year we try to dedicate funds to a certain program within the department to make sure that we maintain our equipment in a in a a manner that's um uh efficient, I guess, if you will.

Um a lot of the equipment that we do have expiration dates on them, um, such as rope rescue or life safety ropes.

Um those are only good for so many years, uh, and then we're forced to replace them, and that's a safety issue.

Um for fiscal year 27, a bulk of this money is going to be dedicated to new hazmat monitors, uh getting rid of the the ray system and move into a black line system.

The black line system allows for cloud connectivity, um in-field sensor swaps, that sort of thing.

It's the same systems that are used by majority of the other regional hazmat teams in the state, including the 71st civil support team, uh which is our partner.

Uh and so having a system that's that's comparable to other agencies uh would be a big benefit in a large scale incident.

So a lot of the this money here would be going to that hazmat monitoring system.

Is this in collaboration with WIC?

It is not.

Oh, okay.

And do we get any reimbursement from anybody for this stuff?

For the um well, we we do have as part of the regional hazmat program.

We do receive revenue funds from the 13 counties that are part of the LAPC or the local area uh planning committee.

But it's not like search and rescue or whatever.

No.

Okay.

When I said collaboration, I just meant that it would be a product that they recommend.

Uh as far as IT as far as IT?

Yeah.

No, this this these are in these are out in the field.

These are our small hazmat monitors that connect together.

Uh-huh.

But when you said it's going to go to the cloud, is it coming to the city storage?

It goes, no, it does not go to the and it's it's things that can be broadcast back to the emergency operations centers so that um policymakers can get a good idea of what the situation is in real time and don't have to wait for field reports to come in via radio or cell phone or something like that.

And it's it's things that can be broadcast back to the emergency operations centers so that policymakers can get a good idea of what the situation is in real time and don't have to wait for field reports to come in via radio or cell phone or something like that.

They can actually see everything.

And the direction I was going is that WIC is trying to really get out in front of products, software, anything, as you know, so that everybody knows what everybody's doing and they understand what they have, you know, coming to them, or perhaps products that don't work, or et cetera, but we have to.

Okay, up next we have police.

Project 19502, police capital equipment.

Page 226, Chief Mueller.

Good morning.

Specifically what we're addressing here, and and uh you can see that in the information, is a uh uh bear cat.

Um about 12 years ago, we were able to, through government procurement program, um, obtain an MRAP at no cost to ourselves.

Um, but that vehicle was not designed for what we use it for.

A lot of departments will default to that.

It's about three feet off the ground.

Um it was designed to strike mines.

It's a convoy vehicle.

It was designed to protect the occupants from below up.

So uh we have used it with some effectiveness, but uh the other piece uh is that it was not designed for what it does.

It doesn't work very well in urban areas.

And uh we have been kicking this can down the road.

We've had a number of incidents in the last several years that have significantly challenged us.

Um there was an incident in Hornik where we went to assist the county uh where this vehicle that we had was disabled uh because of the fact that it wasn't designed to do what we do.

Also, we have really no ballistic protection for our officers.

And when we respond to a barricaded subject, um part of the purpose of a vehicle like this is to protect the other people in the neighborhood.

We use it as a ballistic backstop for our operations.

So uh we have gotten to the point where we think it's time uh the county is seeking one uh and should have a delivery.

Um we found in past incidents that uh if you don't have something that can function in this capacity, uh you're at a significant disadvantage.

Unfortunately, bad guys are being better and better armed.

Uh we're facing bigger and bigger threats, and this is just simply a device that we believe is is uh we've come to the time where we have to ask for a purpose-built vehicle.

I do want to know that um Chief Mueller has provided me an updated um quote on this, so we will need to bring this back as a technical change.

Um now the armored vehicle um as of the 12th of January is at 400 405,000.

So though this project will have an update.

And Rex, do you want to talk about the fact that you considered a shared vehicle possibly with the county and how that might not work so well?

Yes.

Um unfortunately these are it's great when you have it and you need it.

But the problem with the shared asset is that if uh the other agency is utilizing it, or um you can't get access, uh that then it it is literally of no use to you.

Uh not to mention the fact that getting it on scene, having it.

We have used ours, uh the uh the MRAP that we've utilized.

We've gone to people's aids, but again what we have is no longer uh appropriate for what we um what we can do.

Now we can't, another piece is that uh we spoke to finance, we cannot uh sell those.

That's uh but government procurement, we could provide that uh the MRAP, the existing vehicle to other agencies as needed or enter an agreement to give it to somebody, but it's not an asset that we can sell and offset.

That's uh not the way that the government procurement plans work.

What about lease it?

Can you rent it to somebody else?

I don't know that uh we'd have to look at the agreements, but very often the Federal Government has tight restrictions, and I understand why.

You don't want to they don't want uh departments uh getting a government asset and then turning around and selling it for profit.

So we'd have to look at the original agreements.

I don't believe I think we could loan it, gift it.

Um I think it makes sense for us to actually maintain it as a backup because there are times when we need more than one piece of equipment like this.

Um it's usable in many situations, but in an urban area like ours, uh Bearcat is far more suitable, more appropriate.

Um the size difference is significant.

The height, the width of the vehicle that we have.

Yeah, what we have is is again was never purpose-built.

Now, unfortunately, like the fire chief, there's not a lot of companies who cater to our need.

Uh there is other companies that we've looked at, like Oshkosh that are meeting military contracts.

Lenco is one of the few that we can go to that can design a have a purpose-designed vehicle for law enforcement, and they understand the law enforcement market, they're dedicated to it.

Even with that, uh delivery dates are not immediate.

But this is uh again, this is a need that I think it's is past due.

And I think we have had enough uh things that uh happen in the last several years that have convinced us that it's about time uh to advance this ask in the interest of not just the protection of the officers, these are rescue vehicles.

Uh we have an incident.

The primary use of these vehicles will be to evacuate individuals that might be in harm's way.

It could be firefighters, could be citizens, um, uh could be police officers that are down.

There's a number of uh uses for vehicles like this.

Chief, can you go back to the overlap with either co-use or co-ownership with the county?

How often do you think that might be an issue?

And in my mind, I'm thinking if it was ever an issue, it would probably be where the city and the county are working together on an incident.

Is that is that naive?

No, you know what?

Uh quite honestly, uh you know, where we are, we're not the Des Moines area.

Uh we are the big brother in the area.

And if something happens in the county, uh it has become more and more common for them to ask for our assistance.

It's being more and more common for surrounding communities to ask for our assistance, and we gladly uh go to their aid.

Um that's one of the things that I think that Sioux City does very well is uh as the large agency in the area is that we are always available to assist uh agencies that need assistance, whether it's with equipment, uh whether it's uh support in any way, and and I think uh that's uh credit to the City of Sioux City.

And so uh the asks are becoming more and more frequent.

The incidents uh of a of a heightened nature are becoming more and more frequent.

I mean, my entire career I've I've never seen, never thought I'd see some of the things I've seen in the last several years that we've had to contend with.

So it's just getting more dangerous, and I think we need to meet uh those needs with uh appropriate equipment.

I think this is a piece that would be uh well used.

I think it would provide a level of community safety that we don't necessarily have with the existing equipment.

Um, Chief, is that a does that include the uh the trailer and everything, the 405?

Is it trailered?

Oh, uh no, no.

Uh so uh I'm not sure.

Um the Bearcat is is independent, just drives on its own.

Yes.

So it's a trailer, no, nothing down the road, you're gonna ask for any type of trailering or anything.

Uh uh I'm not sure.

So I know at one point it was discussed, and I don't know if this was something that you're is uh that we were looking at the possibility of a rook, which is a much smaller vehicle, but it doesn't have the capacity.

That would need to be trailered.

We're gonna have abandon that.

Uh that's a bear cat, yes.

Yes.

Yep.

It's like a big armored jeep type.

Basically built on a truck chassis, um, very different from the convoy vehicle that we're using.

So is that the same thing the county is getting to?

Yes.

So if you guys are on site together, you're both going to be familiar with the if you're shooting if you're in a shootout and everything else, like the Hornik that you guys are both trained on the same piece of equipment, is that a lot of people.

And that's that that would be a benefit.

And I appreciate you bringing that up is that uh similarity in equipment.

You're right.

Um if they needed ours, uh again, I think if you spoke to the sheriff, I think uh we have supported each other on some very difficult uh incidents in the last several years, and and that equipment becomes a key piece of your ability to do that.

Yes, this thing's been kicked.

I mean, I was talking to Shein too about it, and it's it's a need, and I think it is time just to get it done.

It's one of those things we don't want to regret having this conversation, and then something happened.

So I think it's this council, there's a few things that government is required to do, and public safety is one of them, and you're being asked to do a lot these days and to do more.

And if you tell me this is a not a want, this is a need, then let's move on.

How often are we I mean, uh it looks like you had you had a use of the current vehicle, but uh w what I mean in the last couple of years uh how often have you used the one you're using now?

Well, I can tell you that so generally this is a SWAT asset, um, but I can tell you that the uh there has been increasing frequency on SWAT call-outs based on um threats, based on incidents.

And so we have seen the need uh for our SWAT team to be called out, and and it's not just a SWAT asset.

I mean, it's it's it's deployed with SWAT, however, um it's a rescue vehicle.

Um, but the current one that you use, I mean it's working, right?

It it works, but again, it is not it is uh it was designed to deliver people and if necessary, take a mine hit from below.

It is massive, it doesn't work well in neighborhoods, it's about that far off the ground, which means when you get out of it, you have no ballistic protection from the waist down.

It's not made for what we use it for.

We have used it as that asset.

We did everything we could because it was free uh to make that fit.

And to some degree we've been able to do that, but over the past 13 years of having it, we've realized that there's significant limitations.

And it did its job.

Um I think I kind of referenced it in Hornik, we had to have it towed out of there.

Uh it took a few rounds, and we had to have that uh towed off.

But the State Patrol who had a bear cat at the time that took multiple rounds, they drove out.

Uh so it just shows the difference.

I mean, we've been able to utilize these things side by side with purpose-built things like a bear cat, and we've seen where the significant limitations are.

So it's just time.

Like I said, none of our we don't have ballistic door panels on our squad cars, we don't have much bulletproof equipment.

We need something that can protect not only the officers but the citizens that we might be evacuating citizens in a neighborhood.

We need something uh that can appropriate reprotect and function in an urban environment like a purpose-built vehicle can.

And and I agree, I was I think uh uh you said it very well.

This is not a this is not a want, this has become a need over the years, and we're just getting to the point.

You need it when you need it.

Yeah, without a doubt.

So what's flex?

I can't remember, Chief.

Uh Flex is our um operating system.

That is uh our RMS.

Um so it's uh Com Center uses it, Sergeant Bluff uses it, the county uses it.

It is our information database.

Uh it's used for dispatching uh by the county, it's used uh for records, it's uh there's a jail management piece that the jail uses.

So it's a shared asset uh in our area.

That's why we have the CIC committee right before the STARCOM committee.

But it's basically where we place our data and where we draw our data from our RMS system a few years ago.

That was a major project.

RMS system a few years ago.

It reached the end of its lifespan, and we needed to transition to something more modern.

And uh so the RMS changeover.

Obviously, there's some uh server replacements that go with that that would be an infrastructure piece.

Um I think John stuck around if if there was any questions about servers.

That's not certainly not my expertise.

Uh but this is just continued support and infrastructure for our records management system.

You will note that there's a reimbursement of costs because we do bill out a portion of that to the county and to Sergeant Bluffs.

And credit to the finance finance has been terrific in working with not only the operating but the CIP, uh Teresa's kind of uh uh pushed us into the idea of forecasting as far ahead of time uh some of these things so you as a council can see what might be upcoming, which I think is very thoughtful uh in in forecasting what expenses down the line would be.

And that's changed our way of thinking too, not necessarily from a year to year, but from a strategic planning standpoint.

Do you have anything you'd like to say, Mr.

Malloy?

Or I mean you've hung around so long, I hate to have you not have an opportunity to speak.

Oh wow.

I'm for the new basketball hoops in the court at the Tyson Event Center.

Well, we're gonna get those for you.

Appreciate that, Mayor.

That make your wrapping any safer if you're over there?

Yeah, it's hard to go across the baseline.

You run into that thing.

So hard for him to get up and down the floor, but what the heck?

Don't state the obvious, Mayor.

So uh no, uh the flex infrastructure is like like our HCI, which by the way, we believe HCI can handle the flex infrastructure should you choose to go that way.

Right now, Flex sits on its own, and we believe we can pull that into HCI if if you wanted us to do that.

We did a similar process with the county with Tyler Financials here two, three years ago that ran on its own that we brought it into our environment.

So potential cost savings there.

We did we did visit with Motorola, and it is a certified platform for that to run on.

So it gives you options.

Anything else?

Okay, thank you.

We are scheduled for a break.

Would we like to take that or move on?

A little bit ahead of time.

And we're a little ahead of schedule.

Well, we'll go till 10.

Okay.

We'll move on to parks and rack.

Project 45905, annual athletic maintenance, page 186.

Matt Salvatore.

Good morning.

Uh a lot of our projects are uh pretty self-explanatory this year.

So as we flip through, just let me know if we have any questions otherwise.

I have quite a few pages.

Go ahead.

I'm sorry.

No, I'm done.

63,000 for a splash pad.

What's that about?

Those are uh that was last year.

That was repairs uh to their their existing splash pad.

Do that?

It hasn't been done yet.

No, they're still working through that.

It's in the event that they need it.

Um if it's hopefully not that extensive, but it could be up to that amount.

And what a we do backstops on these fields like Goldie, I didn't realize that either.

I don't know that we've ever necessarily replaced those.

Well, that's why I'm asking that you put had 15.5 in there last year to do it backstops, it says.

I don't remember that.

Then you're anticipated.

Oh, they're banking their own money to do backstops.

This is all their bank money in the anticipated oh, so it's so it's it's cash.

It's cash, yeah.

That's fine.

I get it.

So that's that's based on past year's allocations.

I got you.

They just didn't spend it.

Right.

And we allow them to bank it to do a bigger project and make more of an impact on their money.

All right, project 459026.

I have a handout for this one.

I'm gonna pass it out real quick.

Ball field relocation, page 188.

So this is a uh concept of uh where we have determined to relocate headed.

Um so with the allowed budget, we could do up to six fields, and uh the nice thing about this location is room for future expansion.

Other locations that we looked at, there was not the opportunity for that.

Um so this this location just made the absolute most sense, and uh it's fairly flat, so uh we're excited about bringing up a project uh forward at this location question, Matt.

Yeah, I agree.

It's kind of uh amazing how this just happened surface.

Um corporate sponsorship on this stuff fields, like like a jolly time field or something like that.

I mean, users.

Yeah, we've that was the initial conversations that we had when we moved this over.

I just want to make sure that conversation is happening.

Um I think there's some real dollars out there.

Yeah, and we've we've had lots of meetings with headed, and then there's uh the expectation of fundraising to help fund this, and that's part of the the budget as well.

So that the other one I do is uh I saw a plan for way out there on 28th, and I saw a plan from DGR they put together.

It's probably McClure.

It was a McClure DP.

Yeah, it's McClure.

Paid for that.

They didn't they didn't charge anything.

Okay, that's all I ask.

I thought that I'm like, who would pay money to that hole in the ground?

Okay, yep.

Careful with me, you may be able to fundraise for fields, but I'm telling you, the headed people have already called me because merch headed gave all that ground to the city years ago, so we need to be make sure we're on legal ground before we get right like naming the whole complex.

I can tell you that because there is some legal ramifications to that, I believe.

So you know project 45909 tennis pickleball basketball court replacement, page 189.

Mr.

Mayor, real quick on that.

Who is there still a representative for merch headed out there?

Well, yeah, is it who we can't tell you?

I just know they called me and they're ahead.

I uh I mean they're headed out in Morningside.

Well, isn't the chief of where's the chief at?

Isn't the chief in like North Sew ahead?

Is he yeah?

And uh I know Dick Stone's wife just passed away, was ahead.

And oh, it was Deb Wisniski, she's ahead.

Okay, uh so yeah, there's there's lots of headers out there yet.

They have to sign off when that property got sold then.

Uh don't know the answer to that.

I don't know.

Sign off on it.

Do they have any really legal?

I don't know.

I'm just saying, I don't have I don't understand.

I keep saying we'd need to make sure we're on solid legal ground before we go promise it to somebody else.

That's all and I think the the best opportunity would be to just to name each individual field.

Right.

Well you might you'll probably get more anyway.

Yes.

Uh project 459041, Cone Park, page 190.

Matt, was there anything back to 189?

Yeah, was there nothing on the tennis and pickleball basketball court replacement?

Chris Larson Park, you just kind of built that in those basketball courts get used all the time.

Yeah.

Um we're already five years in.

We're already five years in.

I know, but you're gonna turn that into pickleball courts.

Oh no, no, no, no.

That would just be re no.

Okay.

No, this would be just this is for resurfacing tennis courts, pickleball courts, and basketball courts.

Okay.

So that would be the resurface of that court.

Okay.

Well, that's and I agree.

That I it's great to drive by and see how many people use those courts all the time.

All hours of the day.

I know.

And are you looking at expanding or resurfacing the pickleball courts in Riverside?

We just did last year.

We converted the tennis courts to pickleball so when you I I understand that, but when you mentioned pick that's just a title, you don't end up.

Yeah, that's the title of the project of the project, yeah.

But you're gonna do will that take tennis courts out of Leaf Erickson when you do that?

Um I know it's way down the but I want to know that I think we're proposing to keep Leaf Ericsson just tennis.

So these these are it's for all of our courts.

Okay, so it's not pickle, you're not converting.

This is not a picklebar pickleball court project, it's a court project.

And so it's refer resurfacing the whatever it is.

Well, yeah, you the only reason I'm saying that is keep that in mind that if Phelan keeps talking about building their own tennis courts because they're the major user of that facility.

If they do that, we would look at maybe making some pickleball.

When you redo them, yes.

Project 459041, Cone Park, page 190.

So our new destination patio right behind the lodge there that turned out great.

Um that was free as a part of destination Iowa.

That was all covered by grant um you don't uh funds.

So this would just be to provide some furnishings uh at that new facility.

Project 459055, annual IBP Ice Center maintenance, page 192.

Project 459 058, Emerald Ash Bore, page 194.

I'll never win this vote, but I still struggle how trees in the right-of-way become my problem.

You didn't take my 2500 cottonwood down that was in my right-of-way.

I don't know why I have to pay tax dollars to take bad trees down.

I struggle with that, especially when I know that the whole thing's about 10 million dollars, seven million dollars when we get done total.

It's just I don't I don't get how that's a city function, but I think Sioux City has followed suit of what other communities are doing.

That doesn't make a right I'm not saying that doesn't make it and then it does become our problem once the tree is diseased or in need of uh taking down, so this is a more of a proactive approach.

Sorry, I just don't get it.

But we're doing it, so project 459059, IBP Ice Center Enhancement, page 196.

Uh, this is just to cover debt slash loan uh on the locker room expansion project.

Project 459102, long lines family recenter, page 197.

So here we unfortunately have some structural issues that were identified, uh actually identified by uh OVG staff, and uh there's gonna have to be some significant work done to uh address those structural concerns.

It's already being uh designed and is scheduled to be bid out so spring.

So Matt, is this I mean you know we just heard from OVG and they had a line in and under theirs.

Uh we're not double.

We are not double dipping.

Yeah, but what's your cooling tower repairs?

Because isn't that is the work that AC and R did a couple years ago.

We never ended up actually doing it.

We looked at it.

Not for ours.

I'll double check, but we planned it and then pushed it out.

Okay.

Okay.

Do you want that to come back better?

Yeah, because we've had a couple projects down there for cooling towers in the last three or four years.

I remember discussing this a couple years ago significantly, and um we had a much lower cost estimate, and now it after doing some investigation, it's higher, but it's further out.

Okay.

Project 45913 annual park restroom repair and replacement, page 199.

Project 459140, annual park roads, parking lots, trails, page 200.

Project 459176.

Chris Larson boat ramp replacement, page 202.

So the dock is being replaced this year.

Uh the rest of that is is future to I don't know that the core would ever approve it.

This is more of just a wish list item.

So I don't know if this will probably keep getting pushed out.

Project 459179, annual swimming pool maintenance, page 204.

Yeah.

Back up.

Dolly Rogers.

Yeah.

We've had quite a bit of interest.

Yeah, we've had quite a bit of interest in uh in people leasing that.

So we need to repair some of the plumbing.

Um we've a lot of repairs.

Yeah.

There is a lot of repairs.

Like more than the I meets the I.

Yeah.

Detoured it.

There's gaps in the concrete that are six feet deep and yeah.

It the flood did all kinds of not feasible.

No, we'd have to do significant repairs.

Um, and that was I think a part of our marina.

Well, and um annual park restroom repairs.

Yeah, we have the restroom repairs as a part of that.

We will get some FEMA money for that, so we're kind of waiting to see where we're at with the FEMA money, and if there's enough money to repair it, we will, and then we can lease it.

But we're just kind of hanging tight on the FEMA stuff.

Project 459179, annual swimming pool maintenance, page 204.

We have a couple big ticket items here uh per the building maintenance division, the the filter replacement and the gutter replacement at uh at Riverside is the big ticket items.

When are you gonna bid that?

Because if you'd wait, it would be after the it'd be after the pool swimming pool season.

It's so difficult to try to get a project big project done, but in the spring.

Project 459180, annual park improvements, page 206.

Back up again.

You guys are faster than I bring with it.

Sorry.

The Lewis pool, you got a hundred grand in there for painting this year.

Yep.

Um in lieu of some of the conversations that are gonna come.

Let's is that bid out already or no?

We haven't done anything with it.

Don't be afraid to push that.

Yeah.

We will be sure to touch base with council before moving forward with with that particular project.

Okay.

Thank you.

I think we did discuss the painting on that.

If if it's gonna be an operation, it becomes safety issue for the painting side of it.

So if council is gonna decide.

Okay.

We can bring it up back at wrap-up.

Sorry, project 459180 annual park improvements, page 206.

650 to replace that canopy, huh?

Is that the original canopy?

We've gotten a pretty good life out of that.

We built it.

We have a thing 1991 or something like that.

Yeah.

This one's been in the budget every year, and it's just hard to work work it in.

Peer review struggles with this one too on doing it versus pushing it based on other needs.

It's a hard yeah, it's a lot of money.

Do we charge a fee for people using that?

It's it's quite a bit busy facility.

Right.

Yeah.

Is there any way to put some of that towards replacing this?

Or do we just use it for operations?

Yeah, it just goes in as a revenue fund.

Teresa can answer that question.

It goes into an operations, so offsets operations at property tax for operational use.

We could certainly fund it into here, but I would imagine that would take an extremely long period of time.

Well it sounds like we keep pushing it anyway.

Um I I would anticipate that's probably going to be like a 12 to 13 year repayment before I agree.

We would get enough money to replace that.

And I can't imagine we can hold off for 12 to 13 years to replace it every time.

So but going forward, you ought to treat it like a right.

It depends on the length.

Depends on the length, but I think the minimum is 250 dollars a pop.

Yeah.

Well what?

The minimum is what?

Oh, yeah.

The rental, yeah.

This gets push pushed, are we gonna pay?

Yeah, the painting would be in conjunction to that.

Okay.

Yeah.

All do all done for the phone.

But I know we pushed that already.

Yeah.

Well, it's amazing when we built that, everybody questioned if anybody would ever use it.

But that rental fee is more than paid for this facility.

Do you remember what it cost back then?

I think the whole thing, well, now you're asking me something back in the 80s, but wasn't it donated?

Well, the money donated portion of it was.

Was like for that structure and that stuff, I think it was only like 380, 400,000 back then.

I remember I won't say his name, but a council member that didn't want to vote for it said you just put a gravel road around it because nobody will ever use it anyway.

That didn't work out.

Yeah, it gets used all the time, and it's beautiful.

The landscaping inside there.

You'll have to drive down to look at the name on the name plate prom pictures wedding.

I mean, it gets used a lot.

We got a complaint this summer uh about another uh somebody using the park because of all the traffic from people taking prom pictures at there.

Yeah, it's a destination.

Nice problem to have.

Yeah, exactly.

Yeah, it wasn't.

I mean, it was a lot of money back in the 80s, but it's still not what you're gonna pay for that roof.

Matt, you last week we we kind of looked at increasing some rates for some of the other um this was I mean uh the riverfront stuff wasn't included in any of that, right?

No, uh just just shelters.

Yeah.

And is the canopy gonna be the same material?

The same I mean, yeah.

Options?

I don't think so.

The only way you change that is you color the lights and the underneath.

Yeah, maybe something like that.

We've do we have lights under there.

Right.

Yeah.

That's it.

Like modern ones though?

Mm-hmm.

LED uh multicolor?

Yeah.

I mean, I'm just thinking while we're tearing the top off of it.

Is there something there's multiple vendors that do it, but it's the same product.

Yeah.

I think you can get colors though, can't you?

We have colors.

Oh, yeah, we could do a different color.

Yeah, you're right.

Is that what you're saying?

Yeah, yeah, you got different colors.

And what it is.

Possibly.

Just eliminates the the light feature that we have, unless you're in it.

Yeah, we and I can meet on that.

Sure.

You're like, dang.

I'll send you a text.

That was good.

And so that's 650.

Is was that an estimate that you got from somewhere?

Or yeah, we've been updating it over the years.

Yeah.

Project 459212, annual Lewis and Clark Park Improvement, page 209.

So this is a work plan for uh funding a new video board.

It we're at the end of our life with our existing video board.

Uh we're gonna have a new naming rights sponsor for the field that'll help fund this.

Uh, and also some of the the rent the lease payments that we receive, well, we'll also offset.

But but you're still doing it for only 30,000 a year?

Yeah.

Sarah, do you want to explain?

Oh, the naming rights?

Yeah, it's uh proposed to be is that right?

Yeah, 30 over seven.

But it that's the same that's the same as what it was last time.

I know.

I know.

But we did a pro that was the that was the best offer that we received.

We did a RFP.

I don't know Project 459214.

Aquatic comprehensive plan, page 210.

What would we hope to gain?

Oh, I that's not a plan.

Plan.

That's for that playscape and all that.

That's replacement.

Yeah, that's being riverside.

Yeah, the zero depth area.

Hundred thousand dollars in engineering for a three hundred thousand dollar job.

Why does it no those are for future if if we would ever move forward with a splash pad?

Okay, but it's fifty for uh four hundred thousand dollar project.

But those will continue to get pushed out until we have until we close.

Until we know this will keep getting pushed.

So these these are anticipation of closing the two pools, and they'll continue to get pushed as long as the pools are still open.

Don't we currently I mean we currently have a splash pad now, right?

We have all kinds of splashes.

This is in the event we close a pool and replace it with splash pad.

Right, but why would we not use the same design?

I mean that that's already been well, no, we would, but you still have the all the site work that needs to get done.

Topography and yeah.

We would use the the one that we did at Hennington is very well done.

I think we would just duplicate that at other locations.

Yeah.

Design of the pad itself, I think is what Ike is talking about.

Yeah, it's the we're talking about injury.

It's the utility part of it that's expensive.

Well, I was just looking at we're paying for a design that we know where we're going, right?

But they're designing the utility portion, the grading.

It's more exclusive, it's more inclusive than the aesthetic functional pieces.

It's the that part's it's the infrastructure.

It's the infrastructure part.

That's a good way of saying that.

Gotcha.

Can we uh bring that back and wrap up?

No discussion on these.

Yes.

Yeah, I've already kind of had that media.

Project 459235.

Sioux City Marina maintenance, page 212.

Discussion.

The dock repair project is been bid out as underway.

Yeah.

Project 459302, City Trails, page 214.

This is just our work plan for when uh we receive TAP grants.

So this is all based on being awarded a grant.

Project 459321, Floyd Trail Connector, page 216.

So that project is the actual project, the main project is happening this spring.

Um, but after the viaduct gets completed, this would the next part for FY28 is just to fill that in.

And that could end up getting pushed depending on the timing.

We left out a a chunk for the Viaduct project.

Project 56901 cemeteries improvements, page 218.

Or this is the asphalt overlays?

Yep.

We just did a huge one at Grayson last year, turned out great.

Did what?

Uh overlay at Graceland last year.

So this would be Logan and or Floyd.

Well, if Gordon has these ready but based upon the bids last week, you ought to get the darn things bid.

Okay.

And we've worked with engineering to get these done in the past, so I can get it on his list.

Can't bid right away, I get it until April, but they should bid them.

These asphalt bids are coming back, great.

I know.

Project 663238 reinvestment district, Sueland Expo, page 219.

That's just the debt of the building from when it was built.

We just took that debt and spread it out over multiple years.

So we have two years left of debt on that building.

And that's it.

Well, we haven't paid it back yet.

That's great.

Project 719011, annual median median enhancements, page 220.

Those enhancements ought to be tear them out.

Take the 40 and start tearing the dang thing.

This is just a placeholder for future opportunity, but yeah, they're a labor of love.

To add to that, Mayor, um public works team goal is not to rebuild medians unless they are traffic necessary.

Um we replace when they're gone, they're gone.

We're gonna paint our medians going forward like we did on Hamilton because they're problematic, as you know.

So that is the direction that we're moving no medium unless they're absolutely necessary for cross-traffic things like that.

And to that point, I think the medians that were taken out at uh Hamilton Boulevard and Stone Park are great example of to your point, Julie.

Why?

And so would I would the Gordon Drive?

It's it was a very good insistence then.

Would that where would we stand on the Gordon Drive medium?

Those are DOT medians.

But Hamilton Boulevard, we should have argued this again for 50 years.

We should have never put them in.

I I'm no less safe driving today with that median out than I was with that median.

And in fact, I argue that I'm safer because the snowplow doesn't bounce off them and Lake Port as well.

All right.

Okay.

Okay, uh up next we have administrative services.

Project 88901, annual city building repair, page 54.

So anything for 27 is there's no asking for any uh new amounts for using project balance just for unanticipated repairs for 27.

We have removed what was previously in there for going through city hall for wall and ceiling cover coverings and put that on staff to do that.

And I think it's working out well, and they're just hitting it systematically as they can, and it's coming in a lot cheaper than we would have contracted it out for.

So seasonally they have different times they're freed up, and that's kind of the route we're going.

Project 889012, annual field service facilities maintenance, page 56.

This shows you on the utilities building kind of where we stand that they're going through the final punch list next week.

Uh hopefully get staff in there.

The last week of January, first week of February.

Um, and so right now you can see the encumbrances left at the bottom of that page as a small negative balance.

The um there is no amount in 27.

The amount in 28 is strictly a placeholder for a discussion about uh storage building for materials.

Um right now the quotes are looking high, so that's what we pushed it off till 28 because it it's it's a big number.

Um, and we just can't quite justify the number moving to airport, project 749084, annual airport capital projects, page 62.

So you all know about the runway project, obviously, and when the media looks at our askings and you see the airport huge percentage, that that's mostly not city funds.

Just I I think you're all aware of that.

You know, the 111 million dollars that was reported for the five years, the city portion of that is about six million dollars.

Specifically for 27 of the 34 million askings, 1.8 of that is match money, uh local money by the city for GO.

So I I did have a cook a few questions for you, Mike.

Um, um how will the match what what is the local match obligation like over that time period or so for 27 the the numbers we list beside there the for the runway example that 32 percent, 65 percent, and the three percent, the three percent is us.

The 32 percent is the FAA, the 65 percent is the military.

So those splits usually generate what is our percentage versus so everything we do pretty much is grant related.

The only thing we have in there for a project that isn't grant related is replacement of rooftop units for HVAC.

That is the only locally funded only project in next year.

Otherwise, we're a 10 percent match or a 50 percent match or a 34 percent match on and if we don't get the grants, we don't do the project.

That was gonna be my next question.

If if we don't get it, what what happens moving to transit, project 739020, annual transit capital projects, page 360.

Um again, the grant percentages are listed beside um each of the project amounts there.

The one thing that we did include uh additionally is elevator modernization.

We did receive a grant in the prior year for that.

When we looked at full scoping of that, it appears that it's gonna cost more just because of code updates that they have to go through and do when they modernize elevators.

So, like the Tyson, MLK was open the same year, 03.

So we're 23 years into that facility and two elevators at MLK for modernization.

Project 739021 replacement of transit rolling stock, page 362.

This uh we put down here a plan that lays out the useful life replacement of these things, but we don't buy any buses unless any grant money is uh given to us.

So anything we have for 26 or 27, 29, it's kind of a placeholder.

If we get a grant, we'll bring back and and put that bus uh in front of council for approval, but we don't bring anything forward with local dollars, and it's usually 85 percent for federal dollars.

Like John said, we have there's a huge increase in the actual cost of a heavy-duty bus right now.

Last year's uh estimate was about 650.

It could be as high as a million dollars now.

It's just a huge increase in what's out there for a cost.

So we'll keep you posted on that.

We ever look at those reconditioned anymore.

I have not for a long time.

Just they have their own challenges.

Okay, economic and community development.

Project 61101, City Share New Residential Development, page 75.

Marty Doherty.

Morning, Mayor and Council.

Morning, Marty.

Moving fast this morning.

Yeah, the first the first one is uh the dig funds, City Share New Residential Development, and what you have on there is basically what we are committed to at this time.

Well, hold on up.

Project 66312.

Okay.

But you're also committed for a million dollars next year.

You're committed out two years, right?

Well we have in fiscal year 27 is what we've committed.

Have committed an agreements.

Do what?

What is budgeted in fiscal year 27 is what we have for committed agreements.

But 28 and 29 are also committed.

True, I guess.

Yep, true.

28 and 29 are both committed.

Those are just those.

We don't have any dig funds for a long time.

Correct.

As it stands today, Mayor, that's correct.

Based on the agreement 28 and 29, we'll have free payment repayments back, but we don't know exactly when that will be.

Mr.

Mayor, you're making my point.

I think this is one of those line items we need to take a look, either revisit at the end or take a hard look at Marty.

What's your wish list on a big fund bucket?

Anticipating some of the stuff coming out and if we want to spawn some of these guys, some of the So again, uh as budgeted, um the amounts shown here, you wouldn't be able to get any funds until fiscal year 2030.

Yeah, that don't work.

So um based on the commitments that would have been made to date.

So that's if we have others interested, of course.

Yeah, we have a couple of projects we're working on right now that would probably total around 200,000.

And then we have a couple other developments that have been high-level in the works that we don't have a dollar amount for those yet.

I would like to propose that we look at in the room past the council to throw.

I mean, it sounds crazy, but to throw another million in that fund simply because I think that they also we've put the bar pretty high on what I think developers are gonna start to expect if for bigger projects, but I think you also got their eyes and their ears perfed.

Um so if we're gonna spend money, uh I'd like to see us front load this at this this department, RNA, if that makes sense.

I do want to know this is transfer in water and sewer.

I know you see that, but um, this doesn't have implications on rates.

So um as we go to balance the water and sewer funds, I want you to keep in mind adding to those funds too.

Right.

Which if we did add another million to it, that's pretty close to where we ramped up the dig funds over the last few years.

It I think when I started, it was around 250K.

And that was not near enough.

So then we added another, another, another one.

I think we added 250k every year until we reach, was it a million or a million two five?

Yeah.

So it puts us back to where we were so that we had money to offer.

We just don't want it where they come in and in their perspective and they say, what do you got for dig funds?

You say we got nothing until 20, 2031.

And what a buzzkill.

Um it might not, the project might not develop for another year, whatever, but I think that we need to load that bucket back up.

But we are planning to utilize residential TIFF to assist never have in the past.

Correct.

When we can all the abode.

We'll bring that back to wrap up and that that will allow you guys to vote on it at that time.

And that will give us some the opportunity to look at that.

Yep.

Yep.

So we'll bring it back to wrap up, and then at that time you have the ability to vote.

Okay.

Project 66312, Floyd Valley Redevelopment, page 76.

We did push this back in uh in peer review, so it was uh showing no funding in 27 and then 528.

So when is uh gave us the mempo, but when's that baseball building gonna start?

Um it's supposed to start this spring.

That's what they've told us.

Those start last fall, I think.

Correct.

I mean, that's the problem.

We we sell this land and we never hold a developer accountable to meeting any time frame to build.

The development agreement has construction by the end of 26.

So they can still meet that time frame.

Well, he's gonna have to hurry.

But we'll extend it anyway, because that's what we do here.

That's that's my problem.

But speaking of the extension, then would we also, if we did give an extension?

Well, then we extend the tax increment too.

We have we don't we don't hold them accountable.

That's what I was just gonna say.

Then they hold that is missed.

We've talked about that before, Marty.

Yes.

We do our best to hold them accountable.

Again, they they did have a till the end of time.

Tell me the last time we have.

Pardon?

Show me the last time we have.

We have.

We just we water park while an extension, we gave him an extension.

We extended the tip out.

When's the last time we didn't extend the tip out?

I'd have to get back to you on that, Mayor.

You haven't done it.

No, we have not done that, and we should.

Um I agree with that.

I'm just we finally acted on our development agreement with the parcel down at the Katie station.

The Lindblum that was not fulfilling the development agreement, the Burker King site on Floyd.

We canceled that one.

So we're doing it, but it could be done better.

I agree.

As I said, Mayor, we do our best to hold hold the developments to uh to a schedule that that's agreed on in the agreement.

Uh some of the commercial ones you're thinking of, you know, it's somewhat at at uh mercy of the of the owner, ultimate owner of the of the property or the business that's going in there.

But we can get you a list if you'd like of of dates that of recent uh developments are pretty well in my head, Marty.

I don't I don't need you to get um Project 663.

Some of that excuse me, it was some of the ones in Floyd Valley that we've been working with are ones that have been affected by the by the uh viaduct acquisitions, and we're continuing to work with several businesses there that are um having to relocate.

Um we may or we may or may not need these funds here, but if we do, that's kind of an active area of redevelopment.

Talking about Floyd Valley.

Okay.

Project 663150 speculative building development, page 78.

I want to bring this back and get rid of this page.

I'm the only guy that ever wants to do this, and it's foolishness that we keep a page in here because we have absolutely zero plans to do this, which I've never understood because you the developer upfronts the cost.

We only pay the interest, and we don't have any inventory for these type of buildings, but yet we continue to drag our feet and not do it.

So why do we even have this page in here anymore?

It doesn't make any sense to me.

I guess we've we've we haven't had the interest.

Um there are active projects on the private side that are building spec buildings.

Um we we kind of have this if we if we need to uh but we have seen some some good redevelopment and development of officer.

Yeah, but we've had it in there and didn't do anything for five years anyway, and it and there's been a I mean the city assessor just told us the other day that the most hottest property in Sioux City is warehouse space.

They can't, we don't have enough.

So there's no reason to keep this thing in there.

You want to bring it back for discussion at wrap-up?

Yeah, just take it, yeah.

We'll bring it back for a wrap.

We're never gonna do it anyway.

Well, it's probably a chicken and egg situation if you've got a developer that is interested in the joint project and the speculative nature of the facilities, it works, but you're just not finding developers that are interested.

Here's how it works if we don't want to do it.

You could go you take it out for bid, contractors bid it.

Say, Mr.

Koskowitz is the selected, he's got to carry the building for three years.

We pay him his interest on that.

He has to show us his interest, we write a check for the interest.

We're not out any money up front.

And then if it doesn't sell in three years, yeah, we got to buy the building.

But every one we've ever had is sold within that three-year period because we don't have inventory for a 50,000 square foot.

We might now because Nelson's doing some out there finally on, but before we didn't have any inventory for a 50,000 square foot building.

So you don't have an inventory, you don't you don't sell them.

Uh we can uh test the market again, Mayor, if you'd like.

Happy to do that.

No, I've lost all interest in it.

I'm the only one that ever pushed it anyway, so it's okay.

But I think just in general, I'm supportive.

I can't speak for the others, but I think Bob, I think you raised good points.

I'd certainly like to see what you and Renee can develop over time with and maybe bring it back to us.

Okay.

You'll do that.

Because to your point, the assessor noted these kinds of properties are limited in our community.

And if if there is a limitation, good developers like Paul and others will find an opportunity.

Okay.

We own this property, Bob.

We just put it on one of our lots, like down to south, you know, down south, or we own this one.

Yeah, we own this one.

Yeah, we just pick a lot.

We the last one we did was north of Seaboard.

Huh?

Where Tritt's Pallet went, just north of it?

By trit where Tritt's Pallet went by C board.

It set for two years.

The developer H and R build it, they got to do the build out.

We gave them their interest money, and they sold the building and we give them the ground.

It was part of the package, the one they sold it.

Oh, we just got our money left for it.

So I'd like you to keep it in, we'll do it.

We just don't know you can home off the stuff.

Yeah.

I didn't either.

You got to come up here, Paul.

He's saying he's building land price until sale.

Yeah, no, I I get it.

The city pays our interest and carrying costs.

State your name for us, please.

Paul Koskevich.

Thank you.

Yeah, I mean the city just pays a carrying cost until the building sold.

I get it.

We'll do it.

But it's stuff, it's like stuff like this.

We don't even know about it.

Well, because we haven't done one, that's my point.

We could keep this in here, but we don't do it anyway.

So if we're not going to do it, which is fine with me, then let's take the sheet out and quit pretending.

Well, but my thing is is like, you know, I agree, we're not doing it because I mean why is this not being sent out?

We want we would do this.

We'll start tomorrow, but we don't even know about this stuff.

I know.

Why?

Because we haven't done one.

But you're keeping it in the budget, so obviously you're telling people you you're telling that's department, right?

You want to do it, right?

Yeah, but that I guess I'm getting to the point, like why is this department not out soliciting this?

Because it gets moved back every year, so they don't have the right to.

That's not that that's not their fault.

The council doesn't move it up one year, that's the problem.

It's not their fault.

But I'm just saying we always move it back when we get here today, so there's no reason to keep it.

That's all my point.

So he's saying it keeps getting pushed forward into a future year.

So if we moved it forward, they wouldn't have a project to offer you.

And that's what's been happening year after year.

All right.

Well, I'd like you to not push it forward.

So the to Rick's question, uh, the the lot the land we show in the in the illustration there, um, we had gone to a preliminary site.

We had done a site plan for two buildings on that site, I believe, that we were going to do as a spec building, and then we ended up selling it to RMS that built uh yeah, but built that building.

Well, we had that land kind of laid out for for spec buildings, two spec buildings, and a better deal came along.

They they wanted to buy it and move it there.

I think you were part of that, Mayor, that uh got them to Marty, we've got land up on 46th Street, we've got land down by Cold Link, we got land.

It doesn't have just because that was the site for this deal, that's not why this hasn't gotten done.

The reality is that it got done because it hasn't been a priority of the council, which is fine.

You're correct.

I I was just saying we did have two two buildings laid out on this land.

You still got land to do one.

We have other land, of course.

Well, you got land right there to do one.

We do, we have other land.

I'm just saying the progression of that by getting the the street put in and that's uh clearing the site and all that, and led to our MS building there, which which I would think is a preferable.

We've got a local company that was expanding.

We sold them the land and they and they redeveloped it.

So it has nothing to do with that site.

Well, nothing to do with that.

That's the site we had looked at by itself.

This model is not nailed to that site.

No, no.

We can use the model somewhere else.

Correct.

Correct.

That's why we're gonna do that.

But we had done the site design.

Yeah, maybe what we should do, Marty and Renee is put together an inventory of sites that are available, do an RFP and start working with developers, assuming you have to submit a public notice.

Paul's done other buildings right out in that same area.

Uh he does a nice job of building those kinds of buildings.

So we'd be happy to work with him or anybody else.

Well, you put out an RFQ.

He says a 50,000 square foot building costs 850,000 and the interest rate is five percent.

Rick puts out it's eight hundred and twenty-five, but it's six percent.

You do the math and figure out who's who's the person that's the best choice.

That's that's how we did it the last time, and it worked fine.

So in reality, it wouldn't, it wouldn't, because it's it's pay ahead, it wouldn't hurt to juice that would it, that budget.

That's only for one building, right?

The three-year interest.

You're just putting a carrying cost.

That's all you're doing is carrying it.

So why does it matter if you're carrying a half million in there?

If you're really trying to spawn this thing.

I mean, Mr.

Mayor, I gotta be honest, I I never heard of this either.

And I'm just saying is that if we did the if we put a if it's just carry forward, does the amount really matter that we're putting forward?

It's all based upon whoever bites, right?

Yeah, and if you go spec buildings were a big thing back in the 90s.

If you went to all power down south, you went to the old John Morel feed down south.

If you went to uh even not L and L, but it was before there's three of those buildings down there.

I get the model.

The model I completely get.

I'm just saying is that what we're saying is that it's not being presented to the development communities because we're not front loading the dollars that we're gonna carry if they don't get used anyway.

So I'm saying is that let's just don't do the 168, and that's one.

If there's a demand up for it, let's let's front load two or three, whatever you that industry think it is.

The concern with that is that it is a TIF, it's down our TIFF, so we have to be careful to make sure we have enough in the TIFF.

Right, yeah, depending on what the TIFF is and where the location is.

Um we just have to look at that to make sure it's already open at the transfer.

Because the reason is Nelson is building a big one that's designed.

I we don't need to be on a huge competitor.

Now they're building it for a bigger deal, but they're gonna probably split it.

But they might also get aggressive if they see there this if we're looking to try to build two or three of these in town, there's the other pla there's other players that would jump in also.

So I I agree.

I think I think if you put out this RFP and there's multiple why if there's if there's enough money in the pot to cover costs, why wouldn't you have multiple going?

Well, the reason is I don't want to go.

I mean, if you're gonna go out there today and build a building, and you're not part of this, right?

I don't want to compete against you with three or four buildings.

That's not fair to you as a developer either.

So it doesn't look like the city.

So if we did one just in an area where there isn't one going, is all I'm saying.

Point taken.

See how it works, and then we should always have one in the pipeline, in my opinion.

I've said that because every one we've ever done has sold within three years.

This is that new council, Bob.

You gotta get excited.

So we can bring this back in.

Let's move it.

Well, we'll bring it back to wrap-up so you can vote on that.

Well, I'm here.

Can we talk about getting more dig funds?

I don't think of millions of houses if we've talked about.

We threw a million in.

I know, but it's not enough.

Anymore.

What's the number?

I mean, it's not enough because of what you guys just agreed to on Libra Heights.

So I'm just telling you, I agree.

I talked about the project just yesterday.

And I mean, it's gonna be massive.

And two million dollars is not enough.

So it's just not you've got like uh sixty days to convince uh the all right.

Well, I'm just starting.

So, yeah, the just to wrap up on that, Charlie Nelson is building a hundred thousand square foot spec building on the north side.

The ones that had been this these numbers were built around a 50,000 square foot.

On, you know, no, it's not even no, you don't even put a floor in.

Well, I kind of on hand.

It's a shell.

Five guys, it would be the shell building.

So okay.

Project 663162, South Ridge Rail.

So this project might be brought to me yesterday with um better um estimates of maintenance cost.

So we'll be bringing to um you guys during the wrap-up for a technical change.

So um right now we'll be able to, with the current um cash, move 97,382 out of this project to fund something else because the the cost is significantly less than anticipated.

And that will cover the 27 through the 31 year.

We we we did have our rail, our rail guy, or the company we work with via rail, do an analysis of the current rail yard, which is now 10 years old.

Um and it's needs regular maintenance, or we were gonna, as Theresa said, we have better numbers now, and we'll come back with that.

But that it's not enormous cost, it's just maintenance that's smart to do as you go forward.

Project 663164, business park tech studies, page 82.

We we uh as part of development, you have to do environmental studies, you have to do sort site certification, or it's a good idea to do site certification.

So these funds are that's what we use these for the different TIFF districts.

What's the additional north side property testing on page 82?

Anticipated expenses?

Uh that's I think that's the property up off 46th Street.

Um the 54 acres that we acquired up there.

But I mean, what are you doing?

Soil before.

Well, the storm ponds to determine where the storm ponds and everything go.

Yeah, you have to get core of engineers' approval and that type of thing.

So they have to do soil tests.

Already done all that, but okay.

We have done a fair amount of it.

That's in 20.

That's in the current year.

Right.

It's ongoing, I guess.

Project 663211 blight removal, page 90.

Daryl, you'll be glad to know I drove to where did I drive last?

Somewhere out of town.

The Ames.

And you'll be glad to know that the gas stations in town, what's what are they called?

What?

I know you'll be glad to know that they've abandoned them in a lot of other towns too.

But we're we're not unique.

We are this close to having them completely erased from Sioux City history.

So the last contract is I can't imagine a company that bought all of that and paid all that money for the real estate.

I don't think I saw two on the way to Ames last week.

I think they've closed them all over.

Yeah, they were uh they they showed interest, but I don't think they ever did their due diligence in the in a lot of communities to look and see what the actual property actually was.

Is the last one the one on Gordon that I incorporated?

Oh yeah, okay is Gordon gone.

Yep, Gordon Drive is gone.

I think we got a person for that spot.

Just put the curve back in.

I I struggle that sometimes with some of the demolition because if we don't redo the curb, we have people driving all over the lots.

Yeah, you gotta do that.

They're dragging mud out and well, just so the DO lets them have a curb cut back.

The nice the nice part of the other street.

Oh, it's on the other street, okay.

Nice part of this is is that that we do um this company actually that had bought those locations has actually been paying us the invoices for the demolition, but hasn't been removing as much money out of our demolition.

Oh good.

Back into the general fund, but at least we're uh we're able to recoup those dollars.

Yeah, we do all their work for them.

Yeah, that's what it takes, we'll get it done.

That's right.

Well, it'll be nice to have somebody in there.

Yeah, absolutely.

Project 66321, phase two home investment partnership, page 92.

Jill Wanershide Neighborhood Services Manager.

This um project was originally funded with franchise fee settlement funds that um the city didn't end up paying back to all of those um recipients.

So we've been utilizing this fund.

We we originally had about 800,000.

We've been utilizing it since 2016.

We have primarily been using it for homes that have deficiencies that if they are left uncorrected, it would lead to a tag.

So we're trying to catch more properties before it ends up on Daryl's list.

Um and so as you can see, we are almost spent through all of those funds.

We're looking at alternate sources of funding, including our typical federal grants.

We also just received 315,000 from Mid-Americans.

That's been a great partner for us.

That was back in August.

We've almost expended all of those funds already in homes in Sioux City, so huge need.

We're also working with Federal Home Loan Bank to get some additional funding in to um offset the loss of these funds.

So hoping to continue to move forward with several housing rehab projects throughout the city.

And the way that they funded you, I mean, you know what that we talk about in the housing trust fund.

That was a great lift.

Huge.

And we make them aware that this money's gonna wait, and perhaps they see how you know, because they love what you're doing.

Yes, and I think um just how fast we've been able to spend the funding.

We actually have until the end of 26 to spend the 315, and we I think we have less than 30,000 left, something like that.

So we're hoping as we spend it quickly that they can see that there's a huge need here in Sioux City, and we follow all the rules, we do all the things we're supposed to do, we make it easy for them.

So what they wanted it, yes.

Yeah, primarily we use it for HVAC, um, some windows, things like that too.

So do we can we scale that like how many homes, you know, with the 81,000, do we know roughly how many homes that can touch or um so let's see at the by the end of the last fiscal year, so the end of June, um we completed improvements on a total of 81 properties, and that included out of that six that were on the red tag list that had a new owner, we partnered with them and got those off the list, and then the remaining 75 were all homes that weren't yet on the list.

I would say each year with all of our funding sources that we use, we're rehabbing or touching between 75 and 100 houses in Sioux City.

With lead, you're doing more now, aren't you?

Well, well, that's lead and yeah, I would have the same impact.

Yeah, I would say lead, yeah.

I would say between 75 and 100 total, because lead we're doing, depending on where we're at in the grant, around 45 to 50 a year.

And those are typically pretty big projects, as the mayor knows.

So if we don't, I mean, with some of the grant stuff, if we don't receive that, where are we?

Um then so what happens is with our CDBG funds, that's our primary source of funding for housing rehab.

Um, we're limited to how much money we can spend um per home based on federal requirements of 25,000.

So then we backfill everything else.

I our typical because we're usually touching pretty much every component of a home because as Marty's mentioned before throughout many meetings, our housing stock is is very old here.

So if we lose some of these other funding sources, then we can't do as large of projects, and we're not being as impactful, and we're probably gonna be back to that house in five to ten years as it continues to deteriorate.

We do receive funds through the state of Iowa, and that's through that housing trust fund.

We run a separate nonprofit through our office that those funds funnel through.

Uh Julie serves on the board for that too.

Um, and we can provide up to 10,000 of assistance in those two.

So the more funding we can get and the more diverse um sources we can get, the better, because it just allows us to do more comprehensive projects that keep these homes standing and on the tax rolls for years to come.

Yes, otherwise we wouldn't be able to.

It could be moving a laundry room upstairs, you know, some of those projects to keep an elderly person modeling a bathroom, handrails, exactly and cap ramps go along with you know, if you start a lead project, it usually leads to the windows.

Um I mean it could be any, but it keeps folks in their homes in good repair.

Just wanted to add this this particular project is phasing out because the source of money's been used.

Yep, right.

But Jill does a good job, and her team does a good job of pursuing either state or federal grants wherever they are.

Um, and and the lead grant is an example where we've consistently been able to get millions of dollars really.

Um about five million years and flexible as far as what source, but we keep working to get as many houses to add as as possible.

In for money.

I was gonna say thank you.

Yeah, project 6632, downtown aesthetic improvements, page 94.

Yeah, that this is one that we um were a little frustrated a few years ago with the with the ability to to uh apply the funds effectively, but what we started doing was working with engineering to pair these with other downtown street projects of which there are a lot, and that's what we've done here, and we'll can the plan is to continue to do that.

I think downtown partners has participated in some of these as well.

We have, yeah.

Project 66301, downtown facade, page 100.

So prior to fiscal year 26, we utilized these funds to help um property owners with improving the exterior facades of existing buildings.

But in fiscal year 26, we did shift our focus.

Um for two years, we're trying a new program that we created to help property owners and potential tenants with interior improvements.

Um we see the biggest barrier to filling our storefronts downtown is the build out of these spaces.

So we've created a new program partnering with downtown partners to help uh utilize these funds to help with the build out.

Um we've had 16 interested people who have um we've met with and talked about their projects.

We have nine that are still actively looking at sites or properties in downtown um and planning to apply in the near future.

We don't have an approved application yet, but these funds um will hopefully be used to help these nine people get into a space downtown.

And this is a pretty darn program.

So started last July.

Yeah, yeah, but you haven't spent a dime.

So why would we fund another 200 until we see if uh the the nine you got how much money is it gonna take?

Um well our program provides either up to 45,000 for retail or 60,000 for a restaurant space.

Um that's based on square footage.

We don't go above 50 percent of the total cost.

So the 200 we have now could cover three to four projects, probably.

And I wish I was in the downtown.

I I really missed it by being a few blocks away.

Open a coffee shop.

Oh unbelievable how much we spend on all this stuff downtown, and we just can never find any money for the other areas of town.

Um you've heard this every time you'll continue to hear it.

It's ridiculous.

So project 663 305, North Site Industrial Development, page 102.

I'd like that one before to come back, and we'd like and vote no better.

Where are we at?

102.

Page 102.

Um this this project was um pushed back a year already from the and during pre-review um the funding for that.

But it was there was an active project, corporate project that we had looked at for the site that well.

I don't want to say too much more about it, but you know, that located in another location, chose another location.

Um this is a great this is a great site.

Do you think it's gonna take through this fiscal year to find others that might be interested in this location?

We I think it's a great site.

Actively show it and we'll continue to do that.

I I'm excited.

I've always been excited about this site.

I think it's said we're doing, as we mentioned earlier, we're doing some some of the necessary work to deal with the core.

You know, anytime you're along a along a levee, you have to do uh preliminary work for the Corps of Engineers, but you know, identify where stormwater can go and get the approvals and so on, but it's a flat site near the highway.

I think it has great potential.

Do you think it has primarily commercial or industrial interest or residential or maybe a combination?

I we think it's a great, you know, we had had a goal of having uh some industrial land on the north side somewhere, so much of it has been focused on south, southeast and south of the airport.

That this was a site we identified and um should work well for uh I think maybe light industry.

I don't I don't think it's heavy industry, but light industry or commercial uh is the best use of it.

Developers I've talked to seem to be very interested, so I just think we need to be open-minded and be as aggressive as we can.

I think it's a great location.

Springdale is filling up.

We need a place where a small contractor can go, and this is an ideal site, yeah, especially when you get on the inner state and off right there.

So I would think Koskovich would have bothered a bought out there already.

It's not like I've already contacted it.

I think it's absolutely a horrible don't project 66306, CBD slum and blight, page 104.

Oh, you know what?

Can I no yeah?

This is another one where which project, Bob?

Uh 104.

We don't have any examples.

I mean, it just you you got the money and the what are we doing with it?

Are you talking about 306?

104 page, yeah.

CBD and Slim and Oh, page 104.

Um, yep, so these funds are used for opportunity acquisitions uh around downtown.

Um we were working with the developer to acquire about a 10-acre site that did fall through, but we were able to use our cash balance to go towards the purchase of the Walgreens and Ashley site.

So had we not had those funds, we probably would not have been able to move forward with that.

So we um try and keep a steady amount in here so that we have an opportunity to acquire properties that become available.

We do have a priority list that we could provide to council if that would be helpful.

Yes, please.

We'll bring that to wrap up as a wrap-up memo.

Okay.

Project 66310, boys and girls home, Court Street, page 106.

So we've spent about three or four years um working on this project.

We did receive some EPA funding a couple years ago that allowed us to move forward with a phase one and phase two uh site assessments on the property, as well as a site reuse and revision plan, which you can see on the second page here of this project.

Um we are actively working with the boys and girls home to apply for a current round of funding that's available.

That would be used for remediation of the site, so asbestos and lead-based paint remediation.

Um so in fiscal year 27, where you see the 1.8 million, those funds would come from EPA.

It is a um 100 percent.

There's no match this year.

Uh so we're applying to get those funds.

Fiscal year 28, the funding you see the 2.2 million would be for demolition of the older structure on the property and the ancillary buildings that are also there and the tunnels that are on the site.

Um the idea is to create make a uh shovel or you know, development ready site so that when the boys and girls home vacates and moves to their new campus on the north side, um, we have a property that's ready to go for a developer to come in.

Um I'm gonna probably ask this a lot, but you know what happens if we don't get those grants?

I mean, you know.

The property will probably sit there for a while because it's a pretty heavy lift for a developer to come in and do all of those expenses.

All right, the two two This is no question one of the most challenging problems we have in Sioux City is an enormous 12, 13 acre campus with this huge facility.

Yeah.

Um we've tried to take a kind of a careful approach to looking for every kind of funding.

We getting PA funding as as Renee mentioned to evaluate what the condition of the building was in terms of environmental challenges and so on, getting the they actually the EPA money helped put together this plan, and we had a neighborhood meeting and and worked with different people uh and kind of came to this plan as a consensus maybe was the best approach, but fully understanding that we we need to get more grant funds.

Uh if we're going we need to partner with the developer or developers, and we need to get as much grant funds as we can because it is a huge, huge uh set of buildings.

And um, but the good news is it's also a great opportunity.

We have uh a neighborhood there that could use some investment.

We have a huge piece of ground, as you can tell from the from the concept plan that you could not only rehab the the space that can be rehab, but also add add other types of housing units there.

So in terms of affordable housing and neighborhood revitalization, it could really play a big role.

But it it's it's challenging.

Uh we've pursued every kind of EPA or other kinds of funds that we could find.

We have an opportunity right now, we think, to pick up some funding to do some of the remediation.

That's what we're pursuing at the moment.

But it's it's challenging.

Project 663 311, Southeast Development.

Page 108.

These funds um would be used to extend utilities and streets if development were to happen.

We've identified some potential sites for data centers in this area.

Um we have a couple that have expressed interest, but nothing that I don't believe is actively looking at the property.

So these would only be utilized if we have a project in that area.

You really think I know I've argued in the past we should pursue these.

Do you really think?

Everything you read, they're not utopia that we once thought they were.

They're noisy, they're heavy users of electricity, they're heavy users of water.

The one the one that we've all read about recently in Sioux Falls, the hyperscale is not realistic for for us.

Uh 500 megawatts, whatever it is, is crazy.

However, we have talked with site selectors and developers of these facilities that are on a smaller scale that we think might work for Sioux City.

It's a concern.

The energy use is obviously a concern, Mayor.

I agree with you on that.

But on the smaller level ones can produce, still produce significant tax value that would really help the budget you're looking at right now and in the future.

So they do if we were successful in getting uh a small campus or something like that, we could really produce a lot of property tax revenue for the city.

So that that's why we've continued to pursue it.

They typically don't have a lot of jobs, although they get high paying jobs, but um you have to have a balance of you know, an approach to it.

And and I I don't think we're in the market for any uh these gigantic AI-driven kinds of places, but they're still continue to grow uh in the smaller sector too.

So we've we I saw this land just kind of generally there has access to some large power lines, which is why we looked at that area.

Project 663 382, north side commercial and residential, page 114.

The funds for fiscal year 27 would be used to um make some infrastructure improvements that are needed for the development of the Southeast Community.

Marty, I want to go back.

Sorry, you guys are way ahead of me again on my brain again.

On that one right here, the capital, this is for the infrastructure dollars.

That would provide what?

That's water sewer power, unlike this area we're looking at.

Yes.

Water, sewer, storm, and streets.

That's everything east of town.

For like data center you're talking?

No, I'm talking about what we're doing.

Are these dedicated funds?

What page?

One 109, 108109.

Yeah.

That's the Dana Center.

That never that never came.

That's just an area, correct?

We're not looking for we're not talking about a specific.

Right.

But I'm saying if anything in that area you're talking about, that's dollars dedicated for that area.

Yes.

And you just because you've identified that as an area that would create data center, correct?

Right.

Correct.

Based on power capacity.

But you're not just limiting to looking for anything that to go there, right?

No, it's improving the area.

No, no, it would be whatever.

But open open minded.

That was the idea.

Yeah.

Correct.

It doesn't have to be under not that neat that power pole either.

That if long as you've got it in the area, there's America move it even closer to town.

That's true.

There's property owners in that area that own large acres of land, hide like 400 acres.

So that's why we've kind of identified that area along with the power.

So that these dollars could be dedicated if someone came in there and purchased a big chunk of ground on that side of town.

That's what these dollars are dedicated to get extend everything to the east.

Yeah, council chooses to.

And what would be the what would be wrong with no?

We're okay.

It's in 2028, is where it's at?

Okay.

Okay.

Thank you.

Well, you won't.

On something like that, you'll have plenty of time.

That's what I mean.

I'm thinking you would uh you'd end up tiffing it.

Right.

If you got a project.

And there might be some rise money too, depending on what likely.

Unless it's a certified site, it's 50-50, or if you have job creation, it could be up to 80.

60 60 or 65 percent for certified sites, depending on how many acres you have.

50 percent for just regular project uh business park development.

We'll go back to page 114, North by Commercial.

So these funds will be used to help with infrastructure improvements that are needed for development on the southeast corner of Outer Drive and Business 75.

Um we do have in the work plan showing what those improvements are.

I do kind of have a color-coded sheet if it would help to make more sense to what we're doing in each year.

Um, but we will have a project coming forward um by or on February 2nd or before, maybe January 26th, but most likely February 2nd, a development agreement for this project.

Project 663-384, Gordon Drive, I-29 development, page 118.

Again, this is a area that we've identified about a 15 acres um of land that we would like to see assembled and redeveloped, and we do have uh that can be part of the priority list that I'll provide to you for wrap-up.

Nothing's programmed, yeah.

Project 719201, Southeast Morningside Area Improvement, page 126.

Oh, uh, this is for I'm sorry.

Um this is for a water line that we committed to for um small area of development.

It's probably one Gordon should maybe give you the more details on it, but I know this was this is proceeding forward.

It was uh inadequate water line that we've been looking to replace for many years.

Um yeah uh yeah, this is a two-winch water line that goes for approximately half a mile, and it's feeding uh just a few homes.

Well, they've uh since it in that vicinity they've annexed into the city under this old agreement that's what 30 years old or something like that.

Dave Davenport's old property.

It's near there anyway.

It's on 141.

Yeah.

No, no, not 141.

It's um what's that street?

No, it's behind Menard's off of you know where the east end gas station is.

It's down in that hole.

Um anyway, it's just uh an old water main that needs to be updated because we promised infrastructure to these people.

Well, this is the Yule lawsuit deal, which is what this is.

We're just replacing the water main.

There's sort of finally getting to it, basically.

Yeah, we're finally getting to it because they're holding us to it because they're they annexed, they split their property, and they're selling it off.

And I had to let somebody get a meter, water meter off that old two-inch line, it's gonna be taxing it because there's already a couple services off it, and it's pretty old.

Uh there's no way to get sanitary there without gobs of money.

So anyway, we we've got this pro uh oh, the the water line is almost designed.

We're hoping to get it out in the next month or so.

Okay.

Project 719295, Lyons Park Investment Area, page 128.

Um, if you recall many years ago, the city used to have federal urban renewal areas.

Some examples were Rose Hill, Jones Street, Greenville.

The regulations have since changed, and we basically can designate an area that's predominantly low to mod income and residential as kind of a special investment area.

Um so Lions Park, we've been in for the last five years or so.

Um we've made, and this is where we're funneling a lot of our or focusing, I should say, a lot of our CDG federal grant funds.

Um and so we've done some improvements already that have been completed.

We did a huge um overview to the park in that area that serves quite a large area of the west side.

So that's been done.

We've done a lot of design of the street overlay project um that will be happening this summer, as well as a lot of sidewalk improvements have already started, um inlets and stuff, and prepare for that um project later this year.

Yeah, this year.

Um so upcoming, we have some things we need to finish in that area.

We still have a lot of sidewalk work to complete.

Um be working on design and then construction of that.

Um and then we'll be looking to see if there's any alley improvements we need to make um before we um move on from that area as well.

We don't get as much funding as we used to in many many years.

If you think about all those other areas I just mentioned, um we used to get double the amount of C D BG funds we currently receive from the federal government.

So the projects we do now are typically a little bit smaller, or we're partnering with engineering, which is a great partnership to do those larger projects.

Um, for example, the overlay project that will be happening this summer, which is dozens of lot of um blocks.

We paid for the design of that, and then they'll be paying the local funds will be used to pay for a construction, for example.

I have a question, Gordon.

It's more for you.

The I always like engineers and lawyers who have been paying, Greg.

Carry over balance of sidewalk design is 200, and then we got a hundred thousand, and we only got a four hundred thousand dollar project.

That's that's my best estimate.

I usually just put a placeholder in there because I don't even know how much we're getting for grant funds yet.

So I typically just try to lay out what I think we're going to be doing, but I don't even know really how much money I'm gonna have in each fiscal year until they pass a budget.

That was my question too.

In Stu City a lot.

Design a sidewalk?

Yeah.

Uh sidewalks are not that much, but that's the ramps.

When you start doing the ramps, that's what they get expensive.

You just asking a percentage of a project.

Because what happens is an overlay project.

This is for engineering, it just gets eaten up, and I don't want that to happen.

For uh an overlay, it's typically been for construction, it's been about 25% of the cost.

Believable.

Yes.

Well jump back to those ramps.

Yes.

And how expensive those are.

Oh.

Uh in the neighborhood of around 20 grand a ramp.

Right.

It's ridiculous.

And and and what is the design of that again?

I mean, we we have a million ramps in Sioux City.

Are we recreating each time?

Uh no, depends on the ramp when they were done.

If they were done recently, they were done correctly.

Um, but if there's some that were done in the 90s, 2000s that were not done correctly.

But do we have to keep yes?

The design has to be specific to each because of all the ADA, the slope requirements, all those kinds of things.

So it ends up, we end up surveying every single corner.

It gets more expensive quickly.

And the Fed's required when you when you do a uh a project in that encompasses those ramps that you have to update them.

And getting back to the budget a little bit, as um, I'm sure finance can agree with too.

It's difficult for us to project forward with CDBG because we have no idea when we're gonna get a budget and how much that's gonna be.

For example, right now we're under a continuing resolution until the end of this month.

So it's really just me kind of programming money in there, but not quite knowing yet.

It's kind of my best guess until that comes through.

The last six months or so in particular.

So we're spending 20 grand a corner.

Yep.

Yes.

How much of that was engineering again?

Oh.

Uh well, to give you some idea, the um our entire sidewalk project, that part of the construction was done this year, and then the what is it, 60 blocks that'll be resurfaced?

69.

Yeah, 69 blocks.

The total engineering for that was 600,000 somewhere in the that's with inspection though.

But that's what that's with the ramps and the overlay.

About top 15 percent, then because the project came in effect 3.7, I think.

3.7, 4.7.

Sarah.

I think you missed midtown.

Project 314.

That one.

Okay.

Um it looks like we missed a project in our listing.

Uh project 66314, midtown terrace, page 113.

This is new in the book this year.

This is a project we received about 3.9 million from the state of Iowa through the National Housing Trust Fund Pro program.

And then we're also contributing about 1.1 million in home funds.

Those are city, those are funds that come directly from the federal government into the city.

Um, and we use that for a variety of things from rental projects to our down payment program, all sorts of things.

Um, and so we're utilizing these funds, they're 100% grant funds, no local funds included, um, to construct a 24 unit affordable housing project at the corner of 13th and Douglas.

Right now it's under um under design.

We're gonna bid it out um late spring, early summer, and completion is scheduled for the end of 27.

Then are you gonna have a property manager run it for you?

Definitely.

Yes.

That's an enthusiastic yes.

Your water project form.

Yes, yep.

Our office is administering it, yeah.

And then once it gets to the point where it is constructed, then the day-to-day management will be we'll do an RFQ process for that, and um yeah, pick a management consultant.

Then on budget.

And that would be someone on site.

Yes.

Yep.

That would be a requirement of it, right?

Yes.

Um there'll be on-site case management.

That will be another party um that will be a sub to the property manager.

Much needed, yes.

Especially for that one.

Thank you.

Great project.

Okay, we'll move on to water and underground utilities.

Project 519103 well replacement program, page 370, Brad Pitts.

Uh two wells are budgeted for the next uh two years.

Again, the well, the original wells from the 70s uh are kind of outliving their life expectancy.

Well number one had a catastrophic catastrophic failure.

And then we do have another location on the riverfront uh near where we just built the new well.

So the request is uh to build two new wells uh in the rebuilding them out where at?

Yeah, where where is it at?

Uh well number one sits kind of just north of the welcome center boat on the north side of Larson Park Road.

Okay.

Thank you.

Uh that will be the well that gets replaced with the new well, and then the other well is an offset and redrill of well number nine, which sits just off the west side of the boat, those two wells.

Project 519123, unplanned water main replacement, page 372.

Project 519127, emergency water main replacement, page 374.

Project 519164.

Annual water system improvements.

Page 384.

Question on the water line replacement.

I'm assuming that's all.

What are you upgrading that to, Gordon?

Uh which one?

I which I was back of Pate.

Are you talking about the waterline replacement?

Page 374.

Those emergencies talk about?

Oh, the Seager one.

I think he's just talking in general.

In general, we we are you going from what to what?

It's like when that street paved in up here in Morgan's.

We had about $500,000 worth of damage to people's homes because it flooded the basements.

So we included we are replacing Seeger Avenue from South St.

Mary's to South St.

Auburn.

How big a pipe?

That'd be an eight inch.

It's a six-inch right now.

Eight inches the minimum required by the state.

Project 519254.

Annual hydrant rehabilitation.

Page 393.

We didn't even talk about 384, yeah.

I apologize.

Go back to page 384.

What is that water line now?

Yeah, it is also, I believe, a six-inch bad.

It's extremely rough.

I think if I remember right, I think we've had roughly 25 to 30 breaks on that portion.

So it's it's says go to from eight to sixteen.

Say that again.

No.

Because it's currently six.

Currently six going to an eight.

Okay.

Five one nine two five four annual hydrant rehabilitation.

Page three ninety-three.

Contractors started much earlier this year.

They were able to do a total of five hundred and ninety-five hydrants.

Uh, which is great.

They'll be uh this will actually be coming back to council as it's due for bid here in the next month or so.

So if you see bags, yeah.

I had to call about that.

Um I'm gonna assume that's what this is.

I don't know what's going on.

They put the bags over top of them.

Project 519-256, water facility chemical improvements, page 394.

So are you building a building or doing improvements?

We're doing improvements uh that 93% sulfuric acid thought it's extremely corrosive.

And it's really taking its toll on that building, and we need to do some improvements to it to make it safe for the employees.

This is more of a safety hazard than anything for our guys.

So what is a building block?

Yeah.

Yep.

The structure is good.

Uh pretty much everything on the inside is uh corroding pretty badly.

Something that it's lined with.

Oh is that salt air gas?

Yeah.

No, I mean the inside.

That's not concrete blocks, too.

No, a lot of it's uh metal, uh stainless, and it's just not holding up.

Project 519-262, water facility SCADA process upgrade.

We'll do a little bit of work on this.

Uh I think we found out during peer review that uh some of these funds are actually coming from a different project.

This is to get fiber on the river front, uh, mainly for the water plant structures such as the wells and the boosters that are not boosters, just the wells.

And I think some of these funds are coming from another project.

Well, so we'll work with finance and get that straightened out.

I don't think it's gonna take near this amount of money uh to get that completed.

Maybe just briefly tell the new council member SCADA what that supervisory control and data acquisition.

So it's uh when our operators sit at the plant, they look at a computer screen and see every facet of the the water system right there finger to us.

The fiber he's talking about.

That that's gonna be CIP 859043, which will come up under my section.

Thank you.

Project 519263 annual water main replacement, page 398.

Did all of these projects, Chicago, West First Street, Dubuque, all bid?

No, where they're currently under design.

Okay.

We're gonna be bidding them out probably the next month or but you've already got a negative balance.

Well, yes, because it's going so the Dubuque portion is funded over 26 and 27.

Yeah, okay, but okay.

But you haven't bid them, so how could we already have a negative balance?

Well, that's just an estimate.

He's he's got the anticipated up there.

So really that anticipated, it hasn't occurred yet.

Okay, I'm gonna always hammer on this too, Gordon.

Nothing new, but why in the world are these projects not being bid in the next month?

I don't I don't just don't know why we'll wait till July to bid them, which we normally do.

If we can't keep up on our engineering, then we should not do any pro we should not allocate any money and take a year off.

It doesn't make any sense to bid water projects in July when everybody's loaded.

Hoping to bid it out next month.

No, I don't want to hope.

How many projects 2026?

I don't have that sheet, but you got a lot of projects of 2026 projects that have not bid yet.

That's correct.

Yes.

And you do think you're gonna get them all out in the next two months?

Well, we're hoping to check them off so we can look.

All right.

Because I mean, if we didn't learn anything last week, bids are coming in good.

Let's get them out there.

Spacket wrap up if you want.

That would be good because there's all kinds of them in this book between public works and utilities.

But do you want that on the 26th projects?

Yeah, what the status are?

Okay.

I just want to make sure we bring back what you're looking for.

Okay.

Project 519264, corebacks.

Page 401.

Us there keeping the numbers low and doing a great job.

Who's the contract?

Uh it's Ellison and A G A and I'm A G.

A G K A G.

Who?

A G.

A.

G is in the book.

Yeah.

Helped you and put it in the book, Brad.

Yeah.

We gave it right to you.

Project 51926.

Water plant, high service pump, VFD rehab, page 402.

This is for uh to install uh VFD and then install a new pump on high service number five at the zenith water plant.

I think these numbers, these estimates came in way higher than this, so there's a chance that we may kind of put this on hold for right now.

Project 519268, outer drive pressure and storage, page 404.

Again, this is just a placeholder.

Uh we can't do anything funding-wise until we get development agreements in place.

Project that loop then everything from the north side over to the to the lake port, I mean over to Maple.

No, this is gonna create its own pressure zone.

Uh we looked, we uh in the one study that Blacken Beach did, we had them look at uh looping that all the way over to the morningside pressure system, and in the end, the water age, if we did it that way with astronomical.

So the plan that we're choosing to do is just to make it its own pressure zone right there.

Brad, what kind of any residential development north of outer there between 75 and the bypass is gonna take a tower?

Well, that's kind of what we're trying to avoid a little bit.

I have some concerns about putting a tower up there in that location and not having the amount of use that it's gonna take to keep it turned over.

So it's gonna take a significant project for us to want to spend this kind of money to put a booster station in the water infrastructure and the tower in place up on that property.

So houses are not gonna do it.

Where did we talk about that placement if we we were talking about a tower?

Yeah, right now we're here on the south of Outer Drive on the city property.

I think it was originally uh that would still be the choice.

Yes.

Great, great spot.

Project 519270, Harbor Drive Highway 75 water main upsize page 406.

This project is under design.

Um the intended use plan was submitted.

I received an email yesterday stating that if they don't have any comments back by February 15th, uh they will issue the finding of no significant impact on the environmental review.

We're on a good pace here.

When's this gonna bid?

Uh do you know how much of the design is complete?

50 percent, maybe maybe.

Yeah, yeah, it'll most likely be excuse me, a next year.

Calendar year.

Maybe a little bit this fall if if if we're lucky.

SRF is really driving this project, so we're just kind of waiting on that time frame.

Project 519273, lead and copper rule improvements project, page 408.

Okay.

The money in 27 is uh for a project that we are going to try and complete.

It is to replace lead service lines in 100 homes and do uh some investigation to verify 250 homes to see if they have lead or not.

Currently we have 6,500 homes that are under this list.

About 4,000 of them are known lead services, and 2,500 are unknowns.

So a small project for us to try and get this moving.

The uh the rule doesn't actually start until January of 27.

And once it starts, we have 10 years to get all of them replaced.

So well, again, how is it like trees for me?

Right.

You know, how is this my problem that I get to pay for because I already know I have a copper line because I replaced it.

We need the background on this, Brad.

Well, I know no, I mean, but council members.

Sure, and when we've all discussed it, we discussed it, yeah.

So I think there's some decisions that need to be made coming up, so uh that can't be done today or anything, but you know, really based on that.

The SRF loan, the intended use plans are 49.51, so they're 49% for given, and then 51% is the responsible responsibility of of the borrower.

So uh based on that, you know, like I said, there's some decisions that need to be made on how we move forward.

But the first hundred people are gonna get it free.

How are you gonna pick the first hundred people?

This I would recommend that this does not move forward until those decisions are made.

I mean, it's tough if they got this, but I think it's an overreach on the federal government besides.

I mean they would if this is such a problem, then they should do what they've done with lead paint.

They but I think but I think Bob too, though, I don't think the program if they decline it over three years, isn't it like just whatever?

It's it's not like it's septic tank opportunity.

It's not like a septic tank thing where they're gonna tie it yet.

Though they're gonna tie it to the sale of the house.

So I think it's one of those ones where you know I I put that in the same category of making the websites ADA accessible.

What are you gonna do if you can't do it, you can't do it?

I mean there are layers and layers and layers to this rule, and it's difficult to you know inform everybody of every little layer, and and I don't even I'm not even privy to all of them, but uh it's gonna take it's a learning process, and that's kind of what we're hoping to do with this first.

Plus, I also think about when you this thing actually goes to instead of set up instead of bidding it, I think we put a flat rate out and see who bites.

Because you're talking like 8700 a service or something like that versus actual cost.

I mean, if you get there'll be there'll be a lot of people chomping at the bit to get a piece of this, and I think you just throw it up there.

And then it doesn't cost because it would because we're gonna be able to fund what fifty half of it, so four or five grand.

So at some point, you know, I think you can beat that down to a flat rate, if any, to the to the consumer.

But are we gonna charge or don't do it at all?

Are we gonna put it on the homeowner's water bill or am I gonna pay for it with water?

Well, the the goal, I think, would be is not to have the consumer pay at all if we get the bid where we want it to be.

I think I think you're gonna see there's gonna be guys out there that'll do these for 4,000 or 5,000 service.

I really do.

I do too.

I think that's that's still 2,000 that the rate payers are gonna be.

No, I think we're gonna be able to come up with what out of from our from the grants perspective, how much per service?

Half of it.

49%.

Yeah, half.

So you're talking, you know, they're gonna come up 4,500 to 5 grand.

Right.

So $2,000 a homeowner, or is is the homeowner paying the $2,000, or are we paying for it in our rates?

No, I think they're gonna come up with $87 is the number.

We're we're talking the same thing or not.

You're saying either way it's gonna get split that for that $4,500?

Yeah.

So the half city is going to be on the hook for in your case, $2,500, and the state's gonna give us a $2,500 grant.

So how are we paying our $2,500?

Well, no, the state's gonna give us half whatever determined, isn't it?

Yeah, so we're gonna have to do that.

Right now, based on the plan, which what we're kind of hearing is that it'll be less.

But right now the plan was $8700.

So that just call it 50%.

You know, so if you're talking 4350, you're um, you know, that's got to be split in half, is what I think the mayor is saying.

Yeah.

If you know, depending on what the decision, how that decision is made.

So either the city, either the city is responsible for that half, or you choose a different direction.

All right.

So the question is, is it the cities gonna get stuck with these lines for these homeowners, or are they gonna get stuck with the bill?

Are we sharing it?

Are we splitting it?

That's a that's a tough problem.

I think what I think what Brad's saying is that that's the question.

That's the question.

Yeah, I know.

I know.

So that's what we gotta collectively decide.

The problem is this the people that have lead lines, unfortunately, are the people that are gonna have a difficult time paying their 50 percent.

So the federal government's putting a burden on us, and then we get to be the bad guys to that person when they can't afford to hardly stay in their house.

Is it it's a I I wonder what they can do to us if we don't do a darn thing.

What are they gonna do to us?

Well, nobody's dying in this town because of lead poisoning water line.

I would assume what would happen is if we're not completed by the 10-year deadline.

Uh they would either find well, probably fine us and then put us on a consent order to get it done.

That's my guess.

I I don't know that for sure.

Or possibly withhold opportunities for us in the future.

Especially when it comes to SPR funding.

Right.

So we'll decide that in two years.

You want anything to come back on?

Bob, I think you just gave Dolly or headline for tomorrow.

I don't care.

Does anybody want this to come back for wrap up for additional?

Thank you.

Project 539102, annual sanitary sewer improvements, page 410.

Was any of this part of that project that just bid that came in way cheap?

Uh no, that's wait a minute.

No, I believe that's on the other one.

Yes, it is.

It's on them coming up.

Okay.

Project 539127 annual sanitary sewer, page 413.

Can I can I back up just real quick?

Uh what is uh man o rehabilitation.

Uh basically we will take the manholes and we'll re-line them, repair them as needed.

Depends on which one it is.

We have rehab and we also have uh replace.

Some of them we can just rehab by putting in a slip liner, uh, which is much more cost effective.

Um others, no, they just have to be replaced.

When they had the downtown all messed up, what that's what they were doing was lining all those, isn't that what that yes?

Going to line them because the brick or whatever is failing on them.

Gotcha.

Hydrogen sulfide really, and some of them eats up the concrete, lead up the brick, you name it.

So they have to be relined.

We have a project out right now that is going to be replacing uh and rehabbing, it depends on which one it is.

Um, for a lot of the manholes that are involved with the Gordon Drive Viaduct.

We want to get those manholes rehabbed or replaced in time for that project.

So where was the one you just bid the other day?

What page is that?

Uh the relining.

Uh let me look.

I oh yeah, it there it is.

It's uh 416, page 460.

Okay, we'll be able to do that.

Utility lining improvement.

We'll get it then.

Okay, we'll go back to emergency sanitary sewer, page 413.

Oh god, they weren't fixing.

And why is this such a negative?

Do you add that many?

Fortunately, yes.

Project 539217 utility lining improvement, page 416.

This is the one you're referring to, Bob.

So it it came in at like 300.

Uh 46 465, 300 under.

Okay, so 465 and you add 800 carry over.

Yep.

And I'm gonna use I got already got a change order ready for to add to it.

We've since we bid this out, we found a couple pipes that are in need of lining, so we're working on costs with that now with that contractor.

And uh the hundred and seventy-seven thousand is gonna go towards the Floyd River drainage project, which we'll get to here in a little bit for the completion of that design for the ball fields relocation.

How much did you say that was for the ball fields area?

Or did you uh oh no, I haven't got to that yet.

Uh the the 177,000 is to add to the design because the design is changed and it was almost 10 years old, that contract.

Can you provide a memo for wrap-up for that additional funding?

So between the 800,000 and the 465.

I know 177, but the additional funds, what you'll be doing with that.

Yes.

Thank you.

Project 539232 utility underground equipment replacement, page 418.

Like every other year, we buy a jet truck around here.

We're done with the jet truck.

How many do we have?

We have two jet vaccines and two jet trucks.

Is that a sneeze?

Bless you.

Like the fire department.

For your request last directly, you're getting just like the damn fire department.

Project 549101, unplanned storm sewer, page 420.

What is critical pipeline repair mean?

Just a project you don't have yet, but you might have.

No, that's a contractor.

Oh, what's he fixing?

Uh he does linings.

Oh, he's lining a um that sanitary, I'm sorry, that storm that's underneath Floyd and about 12th Street that goes out behind the uh food bank.

It's a six-foot pipe and the inverts.

Project 54913, annual storm sewer improvements, page 421.

You got a plan of you must have a job.

You're getting ready to bid for the 57 237.

Yes.

Yes, we got it actually not just one, but multiple little ones.

Inlets, we do the inlets, we get a line that zenith drive outfall to the river.

Uh that's one and Jill's project.

She was talking about earlier, that um project she's doing for the houses on 13th Street.

Midtown.

Midtown, yes.

We're doing the uh we have to do a storm repair there or install.

Thank you.

That's for her project.

Project 54916 emergency storm sewer, page 428.

What do we do with a Floyd golf course?

I thought we were all done there.

We did, uh, but there was a new one that happened, a new failure.

And we just did this back in November.

We had failure on hole six, maybe right in the middle of the fairway.

Um so that's what that's for the replacement of that.

I I could be wrong.

Way down in the valley.

Down there by the pond, the old pond.

Yeah, coming back to the south, the hole that comes back to the south from the tree line on the far north end.

Yeah.

Storm sewer down there.

Oh there's a bunch of them.

It opened up a big old hole.

Just a go, it's just a hazard, right?

It's just another house.

It's a natural hazard.

Two stroke penalty.

Okay.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Thanks, guys.

Okay, we'll move on to public works.

Project 13802, annual street light repair and maintenance, page 236.

Tom Pingle.

Tom.

How's it going?

Project 13907, annual intersection traffic signal, page 238.

What do we why are we replacing fifth and cord?

They're too short.

When when you're coming up the hill, there's a vehicle in front of you you can't see because it's off to the side, they're not up to code at all.

We just had an accident yesterday on that one again.

I was thinking project 139019 traffic studies and investigation.

I want to go back.

What what's the I thought the Sunnybrook and Highway 75 was in for this year, but it's all the way out in 28.

Is that the one where it was a temporary one?

That's where the temporary one is, yes.

It's gonna be temporary all the way through 28.

Oh no, it's taken out already.

So it's you're not gonna replace it right away then.

No, and we didn't we just asked for some funding for this through the SS um safe streets for all grants, and we did not get it.

That's amazing.

They they put the temporary in because they needed it, but now is that uh under the same restrictions as any other DOT area signaling?

You know how anything by the ramps or the interstate or any of those DOT telling us yes, you can put one there, no you cannot.

Yeah, this is one we'll have to work with them on that.

So we don't e have we done that yet?

No, because it's oh a couple I know, but if they're not gonna allow us to do it, then we shouldn't spend any time on it.

Is just what I'm saying.

Yeah, correct.

Much needed over on Hamilton.

They control every inch of that area down there.

So I think we need to determine whether or not they're even gonna allow us to put one there.

Oh no, they will, they've already told us.

Okay, that was just my question.

It's amazing.

But we just haven't worked with them yet.

When they want one, they put them in, but when we perhaps they can assist with that then.

And and what's the deal?

Did we get the one fixed out there on the off ramp by security bank and I V.

No, still flashing, but it's working really well.

I have to say.

It's uh the I know somebody must have hit the box.

Right, the box together, yes.

When will when are you gonna get it fixed?

The the four-way stop or three-way, whatever it is.

Three three is unbelievable how smooth it's working.

I'm out there all I'm and I'm not proposing that we keep it that way.

I'm just saying it was the same thing.

Oh, it's their last name.

Oh good.

I'll give the net people the next people to call me your phone number.

Go ahead.

Because I believe that they know they have to hurry up, they're next, they're next, they're next to inch up, and so they're not taking the time waiting the whatever a signal takes to go through, they're not on their phone messing around or doing whatever they're doing.

And I'm out there all the time, and it's no matter which way, it goes really fast.

So it's not too much of a detriment.

Um, to people.

I and I know Patrick, you're gonna get it done as soon as you get the parts in.

I understand that, but again, I'm out there all the time, and that traffic is flowing, it's not backed up ever.

Hopefully, as of January 1st, they're not on their phone anymore.

But they are.

Can I ask that we go back?

I I don't want to spend a lot of time on it.

But can you go back to page 245 on the Perry Creek flood control?

Why are we still struggling to get that project cleared?

Twenty years ago was when the Perry Creek project was flood control was being addressed.

We haven't been able to work through the certifications.

That's still a process.

Yes.

I'm this is I apologize, but I this one is started before I came here, and I'm I don't not much filter.

We're not doing anything.

That's that and but we don't have Senator Arkin anymore to get the damn money for us.

That but that's why we haven't done anything on it.

Okay.

That that's the problem.

Okay, thank you.

And I don't know that there's any money for what do we have left to do?

Well, you've got to pick up where you left off on Stone Park Boulevard, and you gotta go to the county line.

That's the I'm just wondering.

I mean, that the problem is there's just no federal money anymore for that.

All right, thank you.

Okay, we'll go back to page 248.

Is there Gordon?

I don't know.

V019 Outer Drive, North Floyd River Drainage, page 250.

Okay.

So this is a project that for everybody that we were gonna put in uh some drainage improvements, some over by Jolly Time, uh in their parking lot out front next to Floyd, and then on the same property that we just purchased from all Feibner for the ball fields relocations.

And what that would do is take about a hundred and thirty-three homes out of the flood zone floodlining project to complete it.

Um I do have a graphic if I could show it online, Sarah.

Is that possible?

So I do believe I have another one too.

Uh nope.

Yeah, this is such a waste of money because it's never gonna flood.

But so the ball fields are projected to look like this.

And we need this basin over here.

And remove this purple line here underneath the ball fields because it's it's a six-foot pipe and it's rotten.

And install a box culvert along here and cross the railroad at this point.

There's also some improvements in this vicinity and here.

On this portion, yes, and this will probably be a pipe of some sort or maybe a box board.

Up here, uh we haven't got to that point yet, it's not designed.

It can be done, yes.

They do it all the time on highway 75.

You look boxed all those when they did all the time.

I just want to double check.

Um in order to get this these ball fields built in time for I think the 27 season, I've got to get this project designed now and start bidding it.

For one, just either as at a very minimum to rehab this pipe, or preferably remove it, put this basin in in this box culvert and cross the across the uh railroad.

Burton, is there a reason why that basin is where it's at?

I'm sure there is, but can you tell me why?

Yeah, it's it's it's addition to this property right here, this basin here.

It's a part it's to alleviate the the flooding for required right there.

Required right there.

Yes, because we can't it's to be additive to this property here.

This one, this basin.

Who almost that us.

It's ours.

Yeah.

So it doesn't mean we just can't put a basin anywhere on city property, it is then it counts.

Uh no, because it's got to be down at this point in the low end before the roof.

Yeah.

This will help putting this basin in and the this will help prevent flooding of this area too of the bait of the ball fields.

How big is that box?

Uh that's still to be determined, but I I believe it's going to be about uh probably a 12 by 6, 12 by 8.

That's gonna be decent size.

That's why it's imperative we get it done now before the ball fields go in, because if we have to build this door baseball season or whatever, it's a yeah, the fields need to be ready for the 28th season.

28 season.

They're gonna play through 27 at the current location.

So we'll be doing the design for this.

Now I've I've broken this out into phases, and bear with me because it just we just did it last yesterday afternoon.

So do the basin here and this box culvert is one.

We can connect to the old pipe for now, and then bore under there at right after, and that will be won't be so disruptive to the ball fields because it's going to be out.

If you look, it's on this one here, it's it's out of the way.

It'll just be crossing that driveway, so to speak.

Now keep in mind the baseball, the baseball fields and the pipe uh flooded stuff are not designed yet.

So these are all preliminary.

But you said that that purple one is already there, though, right?

That purple one is already there, and it's well, it's in bad, bad shape.

So uh good news is any of the dirt we take out for this basin and this box culvert will fill that hole where that pipe is, and it'll add to the grating for the ball fields.

You'll still need to bring in more dirt to what's that?

Well, you need to bring in more dirt, or will they will filling it?

It's not designed yet at this point, so I couldn't tell you.

So what I'm looking for is come I don't have that listed all white and driveware in my work.

Uh it's not designed yet.

So I couldn't tell you.

Are you planning to do this at the same time that the the fields will be dis uh put in or say that again?

Or because you said it would be disruptive to the fields.

Yeah, we want to do it just before the ball fields are being built.

Or even door in it type.

In conjunction with, right?

Yes, in conjunction, yes.

So I have it.

What I'm in need of, how can I?

There it is.

Uh in 28, I need about four million ball field.

To do not the ball field, sorry, not the ball field, to do the flood control that uh those two segments that I told you.

The basin, the box culvert.

We knew that before the ballparks.

We got to do this anyway someday because those people, 133 of them are paying for flood insurance.

Right.

Should have never, and they put them back on because of that new map, which is stupid.

That's correct.

Umce these are all these three phases, or I've got them down as three phases.

The consultant has four listed as four.

But uh after th about three years of construction, if we can get the funding for it, then we'll file for a new map, and then we'll be able to take them off.

Take them about ten years, but what the it will take them a time, yes.

I just want to clarify the only change you need is to move move the four million to the twenty-eight year.

Do you need to move funds to the twenty-seven year?

Yes.

I would have to move that to the twenty-eight.

Okay.

So what's currently in the twenty-eight, we leave there, or does that mean to move to twenty-seven?

The five forty.

Actually, that was for buying the property.

It was mostly for buying the property and finishing the design.

But if I'm taking the design from the other CIP I mentioned earlier, I should be good for the design.

So I won't need that five forty is what I'm saying.

So you just need four million.

Not on top of the five forty.

Right.

Correct.

Okay.

Yeah.

My only question on this project was when whether you needed it sooner, but it sounds like you don't.

My only question on this project was whether we needed the five forty sooner, but it doesn't sound like you do.

Good with that.

Okay, lunch is here, so let's take a little break and how's that sound?

We'll dismiss for lunch for 30 minutes.

I don't know.

Hello.

Okay.

Is this a is this a dirt wall or is it a concrete?

Dirt.

Earthen.

Firm.

Firm.

Yes.

There may be a little bit of work on the last homeowner's property.

And that one, well, it may be concrete, but I I don't know.

I'd hope not.

And where are you at on design?

Uh very early in the stages right now.

And I'm I'm actually working in reviewing North Sioux project.

And it it may take longer than we had hoped.

Ours will or theirs will.

Well, theirs is taking longer than they hoped.

And so ours will probably follow along the same.

Take longer.

And do we have homeland security money for that?

Yes.

Uh what was it?

865,000.

We do have that.

Yes.

Yes.

We're not charging.

I know, but I want to make sure that just because they list that as a funding source doesn't mean we actually have the that's the uh we we won that grant.

Okay.

Four months ago, I want to say something like that.

How long do you have to spend it?

I don't know that off the top of my head.

I don't know what it is.

I don't want another flood out there, so we are working on it.

Keeping the pumps out there decked.

Uh Brad Pitts group is taking care of that, yes.

And he's ordering another one.

Project 52909 convenience center maintenance improvements, page two fifty-four.

Project five two nine zero one one landfill groundwater corrective action, page two fifty-six.

Well, we we have working with the DNR.

This is required to get off the schedule, so we have to put these wells, put pumps in the wells, they're small wells.

And once we can prove that the contaminants from the wastewater or from the landfill aren't flowing down into the Iowa's water, which there's a crick down there, uh, then we can get off this.

Forever.

Yep.

And is it just one testing period or is it over course of years to prove that years?

It could be years, it could be a couple years, decades, depending on how those levels of can contaminants lower.

Reconstruction of Bacon Creek Channel, page two fifty-eight project five three nine one just one second.

We didn't bid nine point six million on that last year, did we?

We did some of the street improvements, but not nine million, did we?

No.

No, you that's part of the the nine point eight million.

That is part of uh uh the thirteen million we we just awarded last month.

Okay.

So we we got the same what is that homeland security grant that we got for the big Sioux river thing?

Uh yes.

Um just kind of I mean, going back to that big Sioux, what prevents us from doing it sooner rather than later?

For the big Sioux?

Yeah.

Uh we have to get permitting.

First well, uh first we have to do the design, which is really nothing.

It's not that big of a design, but then what the permitting is what takes so long, and I'm talking a year, maybe two.

I'm hoping only a year or two.

Ah, okay.

And they move at their own pace.

Yes, we have to go to the core, we have to go to North Sioux has to get approvals.

Uh South Dakota does, so there's a lot to it.

And then after it's built, we have to file maps.

That's not gonna change the flood zone out there anyway.

No.

It shouldn't.

There aren't that there aren't that many in the flood.

So, three nine one one seven wastewater treatment plant resilienities, page two sixty-four.

We still owe them money.

No, they haven't asked for it.

Okay.

Project 539143, annual wastewater treatment plant building maintenance, page 266.

You guys still using that old barn and old house down there?

The barn we do, the house is getting demoed.

It is being demoed?

Yep.

Uh when the project starts, or we might do it this summer using our city staff.

Equipment storage.

It's fold to the top.

Is that gonna stay there?