All right.

Good afternoon, everyone.

This is a meeting of the city's Capital Committee.

Today is March 23rd, 2026.

Thank you all for joining.

It's been a while since we've met, and I wanted to go over and just bring you up to date on some things.

If you if you're last, if you recall from our meeting, and I believe in the early February, we had a preliminary review of an out the outlook for the capital budget for next year and talked a bit about the projects and potential projects, our critical needs, our inventory that Rich uh went over.

And then we sort of went on a hiatus uh pending reviews from the Citizens Advisory Committee.

So we had a number of weeks of meetings with the Citizens Advisory Committee, and they uh received some presentations for the various departments.

And then we also got their input at the end of a survey.

So uh with a survey at the end of the process.

So what I'd like to do here uh today is uh just present the results of that survey, and then we can get into any updates we have for the uh uh our outlook, and then Rich has got some recommendations he'd like to discuss, and we can get into that.

Uh, and then we'll just take it from there and see where we are.

So um let me share uh pull up the survey results and start sharing my screen here.

Okay.

Is can everyone see that?

Yes.

All right.

So uh as I mentioned, we met over mostly most of the month of February um once a week, and then we also had a first week in in March.

Uh and we had presentations from it from all the key categories of needs, starting with I believe parks and courts and uh uh streets and uh fire department and then building and fleet and all of that.

So uh let me just summarize what our results were from the citizens advisory committee.

We had uh fairly good representation across the city.

Now, again, not everyone participates, and not everyone appoints some uh members, but we did have a total of uh 15 responses.

Actually, the the number of participants was about 22, 23.

So we got the majority.

That's a little up from last year.

So we but it's distributed geographically through the through the city.

And our survey responses by critical uh type uh project type.

Uh what we do is on a scale of one to 10.

We uh with 10 being the of greatest import and uh one being the less, uh, what categories grabbed uh most sit uh most of the participants and as terms of key league of key critical areas and uh city vehicles being uh non-fire police were one of the higher areas uh and corrections of other public safety that includes the PSAP, and you'll see when you get some of the results.

Uh City Hall, also we also had uh long discussion about city hall and the needs for city uh building, particularly with the roof repairs.

Bridges, uh, particularly when you have a matching fund, uh, they are very keen on the fact that uh getting the bigger bang for the buck, and if there's money out there, you can grab that with uh federal monies, and uh along you go.

Fire department is always rated highly, and then it and other uh and then it goes down uh from there.

Um some of the top 10 projects uh by rating, uh, as I mentioned, city hall group repairs.

We talked talked about that a bit, and then and it and some people rated that highly when they when they got the survey.

Uh fire department again had a couple of projects that were rated highly, as they typically do.

Um some of the uh hazardous street removal and street trees, uh was also a big discussion.

Uh and then again, the bridge project, particularly the Compton Bridge, uh, that Rich can go on to detail a lot.

It's been it's been a multi-year project, and it also involves a lot of federal funds as it's a major project here.

Um and then South Refuge Station, we talked about, and that that also got rated highly on the on the on the results.

And then uh with the court's presentation, uh the old uh uh we talked about that as well, but this one actually old municipal court building talking to uh talking about securing windows and doors was rated highly, as well as refuse division vehicles.

Uh it's funny because we talk about vehicles, um, we break out that category, refuse and everything else, and refuse usually gets a good response in in terms of the need for making sure that part of the fleet is up to date.

Those are the top 10.

And then on the bottom 10, uh, I always include this just sort of as an FYI.

The Christie Cycle Boulevard track and pedestrian improvements, some uh water service to circuit court building, some of the Carnahan uh replacing supply and waste piping.

I think that was presented in the courts areas, not as critical as some of the other thought things that we were talking about in terms of like facade replacement and such.

So that's probably why it was uh rated less important than others.

Um the Wi-Fi upgrade as well, some of the bike uh facility improvements, which I think we're gonna accommodate a portion of uh Fallon Park uh the parking lot repairs, uh some of the AC handling unit at the academy, and then the Lyle House.

There was a big discussion on the Lyle House.

Uh uh Ottawa Schweizer, you'd be interested in that.

Uh, there was a big discussion about how much it would cost and what the utilization of that.

That did not rate highly in the survey.

And then following that, uh there were a number of items that they simply just said we need more information on.

Uh some of the electrical gear uh at 1520 market, um, and then some of the other some of the these are sort of inside technical type of replacement uh repairs that uh require a lot of explanation.

And so at least two or three responses of them said, hey, we need more information on these items.

And so uh those are listed there.

Uh uni garage roof, gateway transportation information technology, those type of things.

Uh the flood wall repairs, those have already been uh addressed.

Uh we talked about this a little earlier with a uh supplement uh uh supplemental appropriation for capital.

Earlier this year, we had a 4.1 million dollar supplemental appropriation, which took care of that.

And then uh pointers of survey respondents, again, as I mentioned, it's pretty well represented across the city.

And then uh some comment other comments and suggestions.

Uh the first one is sort of an interesting one uh because it's always uh gotten my attention too when we talk about replacing comfort stations in the city, you're usually uh blown away by the cost of various ones.

And now I know some of them are uh have a uh a certain architectural flair to them when they were built at the time.

And so you see these multi-million uh multi uh hundreds of thousands of dollars to replace comfort stations.

So one of the suggestions was standardizing them so they don't so they uh aren't as costly and when we need to repair them.

Uh I and there are other things of upgrading bike paths and promoting STL, the young people as an affordable bike-friendly city.

Stump removal was an item uh that came up, and just it wasn't particularly on the on the uh critical needs list, but it was an item that came up in discussion about particularly with the mill-sized city parks and and I believe the tornado uh impact had a uh had some impact there on on the need to replace or remove stumps throughout the city.

Uh there's some comments about thanking you, thanking for the opportunity to voice opinions on the uh on this uh citizen advisory committee.

And I I think there was a recognition and going to comment for how difficult it is.

I mean I there's sort of awareness of the vast need of capital needs throughout the city and the limited number amount of funds that we have to address them.

So it's hard to make a pro hard to uh make recommendations on on or prioritizing them.

And obviously, uh some of the there would be more of a general comments about improving the life of city workers and uh uh park service improvements like restrooms and then uh fire police and fire department needs and critical building needs, such as the civil courts building, sort of the prioritizing that one.

Um just some general comments about uh uh the the presentations from departments.

They were pleased with some of the those presentations.

Um I think uh and there were comments, uh positive comments on jewel box and uh such iconic uh gems as the uh the Seulard Market.

Uh yeah, and number six, Seulard Market was only rated zero to nine.

That's my fault.

Usually in the survey, we have a one to ten, and I and that one was cut off for some reason.

Uh just for anyone's benefit, I did take a look at that.

It had all the nines been tens, it wouldn't have enough been enough to get us in the top 10, but it would have been high.

Seulard market usually rates pretty high, highly.

And so um, we've been trying to address some of those needs uh over the last couple of years.

Um there was again, uh there was a question about the Lyle House.

Uh well, it would be uh a shame to lose it.

Uh 3 million seems like a lot of money.

And so that's gonna be a big discussion about what to do with that uh particular challenge for uh Corona Let Park.

anyone's benefit I did take a look at that it had all the nines been tens it wouldn't enough been enough to get us in the top 10 but it would have been high soul our market usually rates pretty high highly and so um we've been trying to address some of those needs uh over the last couple of years um there was again uh there was a question about the Lauhouse uh well it would be uh a shame to lose it uh three million seems like a lot of money and so that's gonna be a a big discussion about what to do with that uh particular challenge for uh Coronel Park and then uh just some general comment about uh trying to uh trying to uh rate things such that they benefit the majority of most uh citizens and and I think uh again it it when you have such a uh uh a vast majority of uh uh projects uh far exceeding the amount of uh funds we have available I think the the the thinking was there trying to get as much bang for your buck in terms of uh reaching most most citizens as you can with the limited pot that you've got and though those are generally the comments I again I thought it was uh pretty engaging uh I I the most of the meetings actually went long when we went to into discussions and and I thought it was a uh a pretty good group to have uh and they were uh definitely interested in what we were uh discussing and just in case you're interested all of the all the projects here the details of the responses by project are listed also in the survey so I'll stop there uh with any questions about that in particular um if if not uh one thing I I was gonna do I just had uh one comment oh go ahead we're gonna uh not a question but a comment I did try and attend uh thank you for inviting uh us to attend those um uh I thought I was I was able to attend uh pew or parts of them and um one thing I did want to highlight is um it wasn't stated explicitly but in the the first one that was on streets you know a lot there was um a heavy the emphasis was on the projects that were recommended by the um community mobility committee that remembering that correctly and a lot of those were south side and I felt um I I heard a little bit of uh kind of frustration with that those being the ones that were talked about more versus some there was just like I think there's one street project that like crossed over the north side but um yeah I heard a little bit of you know frustration with that some of the questioning and comments but um just that was the only thing that like I appreciated being able to join as well and uh um I thought members of the committee asked really smart questions and we're appreciative of the past we have it before us in terms of balancing um needs and uh critical needs and even more critical needs right so not even needs and once but like so no I I I agree yeah yeah that was it was very good give and take I thought too well thank you Christine all right before we get to Rich's discussion Rich had put together some recommendation I did want to share with you um just sort of refresh your memory about the um about the uh the budget outlook summary and so I'm gonna share that really quickly um I'll enlarge this a bit see if I can if you remember this is what we talked about in February there has not been any changes in terms of estimated revenues and such i i did want to uh call attention a couple things one we do have another million dollars in interest earnings from the citywide capital so that what this number was three and now it's four so that that's a plus as and also um updated the um that refuse garage debt service that was paid off in the current fiscal year so that's that's an obligation that we don't need to continue um so that that fell off um otherwise this is basically the same exhibit we had back in early February and it's a total budget of about 15 50 million dollars that we're addressing and some of the the five year projections here uh are also attached uh and I'm gonna I'll share later what our five year projections are on on capital just as an FYI obviously we're still focused on FY27 but um it just gives you an idea about what we've benefited from this over the last few years and aside from ARPA is that we've had surpluses in the last few years and that's an that's that's great in terms of providing additional capital but it's not a recurring source.

So over time particularly if you hit a recession or something that that that's going to go away.

And so you can't rely on that going forward.

And so um it's just something to keep in mind when we we're going for on that okay well I'll stop sharing on that and then pull up and then that that'll lead me into uh Rich and I'll pull this up on screen and so if you wanted to start discussing this let's see.

Uh and then that that'll lead me into uh Rich, and I'll pull this up on screen.

And so if you wanted to start discussing this, let's see.

So Paul, did you want to mention anything about the possible second part of a GOB or a lease purchase for anything we don't get?

Yeah, let's and that's that's a good segue for you, Rich, because you've got both because one of the things we talked about and just briefly was that we've got that limited amount of funds in the capital budget.

But then we also have the second tranche of general obligation bonds.

And this goes back a couple of years when we received from voters the authorization to issue $50 million in general obligation bonds, and we uh issued something like 21 or uh for project purpose, 21 million dollars in projects.

And and it was it was sort of time for whenever the the uh the levy would be expiring so that we could do so without uh increasing the the tax late.

Well, now we've got the opportunity to do another 23 or 24 million dollars worth of projects this year, and that would be later, which so uh in in supplementing uh this limited amount of money capital we have, uh just about 50 million dollars.

We also have the opportunity to identify another 20 plus million dollars worth of projects uh that don't make that list into the GO.

Now the GO, the general obligation bond issue, that's a little more restrictive in that it it needs to be uh such that the items that you're funding have a maturity such that you can issue bonds and they uh the they last as long as the useful life of those projects are lasting as long as you're paying the debt.

And so it's it's like going out and financing uh uh a house or car, and that you don't want to have to replace that item before you're finished paying off the debt.

So though that's some of the restrictions there.

And what Rich has done, uh, and we'll we'll take a look at this uh exhibit as soon as I can come up with it.

Um let's see here.

Uh I know I've got it here somewhere.

There it is.

Okay.

It is basically making uh recommendations for both the capital funding for FY27 and the FY20 uh later uh the issuance for the the uh the general obligation bond.

So let me pull that one up.

I'll make this and I'll make this screen so you can actually read it here.

Okay.

Okay.

So the exhibit you have is on the on the left, you have the regular capital funding, and on the right, you've got the potential funding for GOB.

And what the GOB represents is a lot of those items not funded through the regular capital source funding.

So Rich, I I'll I'll actually turn it over to you if you want to go through the list.

Again, uh, there are just a couple parts of the budget that are these are pertaining to things that are discretionary.

As you know, the capital budget biggest sources are are uh sales taxes that are allocated by ordinance, uh both with the citywide and and and ward accounts as well as parks, metro parks and and things like that, which are allocated by ordinance, but then you have a couple of discretionary items.

One are you have the gas tax, which funds uh projects for roads and bridges, uh and then you also have that those surplus monies, which we talked about coming into the uh supplementing the capital budget.

So most of what Rich is talking about is gonna be discussing are those items where we have discretion on both the uh gas tax revenues as well as those have uh surplus monies.

So go ahead, Rich.

I'll leave it up to you.

All right, thanks, Paul.

Well, good afternoon, everyone.

Um, so as I do every year, uh after we do citizen advisory committee, and I sit through all those meetings with Paul so I can actually hear and answer questions to the public on um all these different items, then look at the surveys and understand where there's an appetite to do things.

Um other things that are looked at as well.

Christina mentioned it with the uh Complete Streets Advisory Committee, which is my ordin 71882, and recommendations from them.

And then also another thing that I consider very highly is projects that we have federal grants on.

So particularly streets and bridge projects where we apply to Eastwest Gateway, and we come up with 80% federal funding, and we come up with a 20% local match here to build those.

So I'll start at the top of the list.

So the building repairs and equipment, the BPS billing repairs.

There's a million dollars there.

This is for all kinds of uh issues that come out throughout the course of the year uh plumbing electrical mechanical roofing tuck pointing just about anything under the sun in our uh many many buildings across the city uh that you know we have a failure that is not funded in a budget it's not funded by capital and we generally um have to make immediate repairs in order to uh keep the lights on keep the heat on air conditioning on and keep the city functioning and we use this regularly um with facilities management and and keep these buildings operative so the million dollars that that represents um will easily be used throughout the course of the year uh on those type of discretionary projects hey rich i'm I'm sorry uh Ben did you had your you have your hand raised did I skip over you yeah thanks thanks Paul um Rich is basically addressing what I was uh interested in understanding uh as a first time member of this uh capital committee and that is how do you incorporate this citizen advisory feedback is it sort of is it layered in here or is it just in your judgment as you hear it anyway I'd be interested to understand how we account for it and what does the governance require uh as it pertains to that feedback over so for me what I try to do is look at everything that was on that survey uh that people commented on and I try to pair up what I think the immediate priorities are from listening to the directors reading the notes that they submitted with the budget and with the available funding and then you know with this opportunity to have a GOB funding what you'll see is is that everything on that um survey is included incorporated in one of these three proposed funding sources the only items that are not included in there were cleaning of HVAC ducts at fire stations which Paul and I deemed are a maintenance item which we will will cover through budget uh through replacement and upgrade of exhaust and removal systems for fire stations which my facility staff and I are already working on funding that and part of that funding will come out of these miscellaneous building repairs that we're talking about uh the critic civil courts um building new water service which um the courts deemed as being not critical and they asked us to move that into the needed column the Carnahan courthouse replaced water supply and piping uh which they deemed not critical and they're actually started on a portion of that under their own funding uh the Carnahan Courthouse sound Wi-Fi upgrades which are included in the courtroom modernized and um the SLMPD Academy replace the 25 ton uh AHU unit uh everything else um and the St.

Louis Police Department communication building partial radio system and the everything else is included in one of these three funding sources and the reason we also didn't include the police department is because Paul and I discussed this and as everyone is aware here that is under you know a very deep discussion with the mayor and the police police board and of course Paul's involved in that with the budget allocations and so we didn't feel like we wanted to muddy up the waters by adding yet another funding source to um add things to that discussion you know Paul kind of directed me to leave that as part of the budgetary discussion and what the police have as far as what their requirement is but other than that it's a lot of discussion about all those things I talked about by ordinance you know the recommendation of the the capital committee system advisory committee um by the ordinances and of course by need and by grants and funding and then try to pat pair up and match up everything the best you can what you'll also see here then is on a lot of these projects um there are lesser numbers than what what were requested in the capital needs inventory and that is because you know um we have been working on these projects and and giving out smaller allocations and doing them in different tranches over the years like the pool renovations projects at direct centers there have been significant funding in smaller pieces as we go and quite frankly it works better in smaller pieces than one large project because we can focus on what actually needs to be done um and and knock those off a bit at a time until we get everything up to speed but I it's not an exact cookbook recipe it takes a lot of time to go through it and again these are just my thoughts and certainly this committee is going to tell me what they think about that.

There have been significant funding in smaller pieces as we go, and quite frankly, it works better in smaller pieces than one large project because we can focus on what actually needs to be done and and knock those off a bit at a time until we get everything up to speed.

But it's not an exact cookbook recipe, it takes a lot of time to go through it.

And again, these are just my thoughts, and certainly this committee is going to tell me what they think about that.

Okay, thanks for explaining that.

I appreciate it, Rich.

Sure, no problem.

So the courthouse repairs are on here for $650,000.

Uh, that is a more or less an open item for building repairs.

Uh, we'll talk about the courts later down the list.

And so um that number fit in with a couple of the courts projects uh that we're talking about with the courthouse modernization, as well as the uh facade repairs to the building.

So um that is uh a discretionary fund, but they obviously use it towards all the uh other items that they requested that I don't have on this list that are could be also in the uh bond issue as well.

Uh the ash tree removals, this is a $500,000 item.

I think everybody will remember.

Um, we talked about this.

This is a response to um not having sufficient staffing at forestry, and they use this funding to remove trees um for the emerald ash borer within the public right-of-way to alleviate liability for the city, and we have done that for multiple years, so this is not a new item.

Excuse me, as we move down in the road and bridge project fuel tax, these projects, and I'll walk through each one of them, are uh a culmination of grant projects.

They are also a culmination of that uh ordinance that I mentioned for the complete streets advisory committee.

And so uh the first project there is River DePair Boulevard Reconstruction for 1.5 million, uh refresher base memory, 2.4 miles of roadway reconstruction between Gravoy and Lansdown, geometric changes, safety enhancements, median construction, multimodal improvements, uh guardrail instrument installation.

This is an east-west gateway grant project.

That is the fund that we need for this year, and um it is also a complete street advisory committee recommendation.

Uh traffic management enhancements phase number nine.

Let me get to this one.

That is uh uh East West Gateway Grant Project.

That is also a recommendation from the complete streets advisory committee.

Traffic signal replacement uh on Skinker, uh excuse me, McCauslin, uh Skinker McCausland, uh Canterbury to Etzel.

Uh, that is a let's see, million dollar ask.

That's what's needed for this year.

Uh that's traffic signal replacement, signal interconnect, approximately 20 traffic signals, 88 curve ramp improvements, and sidewalk improvements north of Delmar.

Uh the next one is Christie Boulevard Cycle Track.

That is a request from the um complete streets committee, and that is also an East West Gateway Grant project as well.

Uh, the ask there is for this year is $500,000.

1.2 miles of sidewalk level greenway extension, roadway narrowing, safety enhancements, multi-use bike and pedestrian facilities, as well as new pavement.

Uh the next project is Lindell multimodal improvements.

That is also an East West Gateway grant project that is also a citizen advisory street complete streets advisory um project request.

That is 1.3 miles of two-way cycle track from Kings Highway to Vanaventer, a road diet, bus boarding islands, ADA improvements, and new pavement markings.

And again, that request is 100,000 for this year.

Uh the next project on the update that description there.

I see that's just an error.

Copy that.

So yeah, and by the way, all these descriptions are on the city's budget uh website.

These were all provided as part of the citizen advisory committee.

Um, these are all I'm taking them directly off the presentation, Paul.

Right.

Um the next is Kings Highway traffic signal improvements, and that is phase 10, and that is Kings Highway, McCreeta Schoemeyer.

Um, the ask on that project is $300,000.

That is traffic signal replacement and signal interconnect.

Uh, that's approximately 17 traffic signal replacements, and again, East West Gateway project and complete streets advisory committee request.

The next project on the list is bicycle facility improvements.

And that one is neither is a not a complete streets ask, but it excuse me, it's a complete streets ask, but not a gateway great east west gateway grant project.

It is locally funded, and that project description is um restriping existing bike lanes, newer replacement durable thermoplastic bike lane symbols, thermoplastic share rows, updates on city install bike facilities, which may only have conventional paint markings, added stock of necessary features for certain bike elements, such as zebra delineators and flexible posts.

Uh, the project may also include spot upgrades where feasible, such as enhanced crosswalks markings or green pavement markings for bicycles.

Now, the ask for that project was actually a million dollars.

Uh, the funding on that one didn't match up for a million dollars, so I plugged in 250,000 as a phase project and looked at it that we could work through that million dollars over the course of four years or so and still accomplish what it is.

And there's no real limits to the project, there's no grant governing it, so it would be an ideal project to phase.

The next project on the list is miscellaneous street and bridge repairs, just like the building repairs above.

Uh, there are things that happen to our street and our bridges, uh, 74 bridges across the city that neither BPS nor the street department has budget for in their budget, and so this item works very very well to do repairs.

Uh, we are using uh $500,000 right now to do uh car topography street repair on 3108 Potomac that has been there for many many years, and so these type of things come forward, and um we need to have some discretionary funding to address those.

Back when I first started in this position, that discretionary funding was upwards of a million to a million and a half annually.

We've been able to repair a number of things that had problems over the years.

So you'll see that I have a very modest ask of $300,000 for that item.

Uh Compton Bridge over Mill Creek.

This is an East West Gateway grant project.

I'm happy to inform everybody that we now have all of our documentation in place received, and we are able to um put this project out to bid hopefully here in the next week or so, the end of this month, and um be able to bid this project relatively quickly.

Uh, this is the complete reconstruction of the Compton Bridge and approach pavement from showder to Spurs.

It's a four-lane configuration with a wide protected multi-use path on the east side of the bridge.

Has extended uh timeline, had an extended timeline to secure state of Missouri property for construction, which again we we now have.

We have a federal grant for it.

The federal grant tops out at 17 million dollars, as you'll see on your needs inventory, and so therefore we need some additional match share funding uh to build this project.

Now we'll take the bids, we'll see where the bids come in.

Uh, we believe that it's going to be a little bit north of what we're asking for here, but again, I plugged in uh 2.850 is as close to three million as I could get and be within this road and bridge uh fuel tax funding.

We move on down to the next one.

The ADA transition plan.

That is not a grant project, but it is a complete street ask, and so get to that scripture.

ADA improvements to the city facilities, buildings programs, parks, bus stops, and transportation amenities.

Sidewalk work is prioritized by the ADA transition plan.

Uh sidewalk work is generally outside of other projects.

So when we do other projects, such as our federal grant projects and so forth, um, that includes all the sidewalk work, ramps, and ADA improvements.

This is outside of that.

This is standalone issues that come forward.

The complete streets advisory committee asked for a three million dollar ask again with the available funding.

I was able to work in an ask of about 750,000.

This is again one of these projects.

If you look on your five-year history, you'll see that we have funded upwards of six million dollars over the past number of years for AD improvements.

There's a lot to go.

And as long as we continue to fund this as we go along, we should be fine to uh stay off the radar of the United States Department of Justice and issues related to uh the ADA Accessibility Act.

And um, again, working closely with David Newberger and my staff to continue doing ADA accessible items throughout the city.

As we step on down to Dan, you got a question Eric can um you may have said it, but can you confirm does it include some of our city buildings that so many people access?

Yes, it includes sidewalks, everything within the city, including accessibility to programs.

So, whatever that would mean uh to get someone to a program, even if it took an elevator or something like that, it could be included in the ADA transition plan.

Do you know?

Um, do you know where City Hall stands on that?

I mean, just uh you know, we watch it every day of people struggling to go.

So, yeah, well, we we haven't disabled entrance, which is the the North Tunnel.

We are upgrading the remainder of the bathrooms within City Hall to meet the ADA requirements.

We are working on a plan to put an ADA entrance at the south parking lot, but it has been extremely challenging, and so we've never really came to a part where everyone is happy with it because it takes up a lot of the doorway on the parking lot, and so um we're working towards it.

I mean, we're relatively compliant, but I think we could always be better.

Okay, I just learned something here too.

So the if you have um mobility issues, you can come through the tunnel at entrance.

Is that right?

Yes, yes, the north tunnel entrance to the basement to the elevator and upstairs, and currently the restroom that's adjacent to the elevator in the basement is um is ADA accessible.

Okay, yeah, for a separate time.

I'd I'll I'd like to get some feedback on how often that's utilized.

I seems like I see so many people struggling in through the front door, but uh maybe there's twice that many coming through the tunnel.

It's awfully difficult to tell people you have to go all the way around to the back of the building to get in, and again, that's why we continue to look at the south entrance where the parking lot is because that would make the most sense if someone is coming to City Hall.

Right.

Okay, great.

Thanks for the feedback on that.

Sure.

All right.

Um, the the next we will talk about parks, and so parks had a substantial number of needs.

Um, first of all, Seulard Market was on top of their list.

I have Seulard Market.

They had asked for 2.5 million dollars.

Again, we have um spent money on Seulard Market over the past number of years looking for the numbers we speak here.

But we have invested substantial amount of money in in pieces, Sew Lord Market.

We have put about 5.7 million into it previously.

So again, this falls within that same idea of continuing to fund the program, uh knockoff projects as we go, 2.7 275,000.

Same thing goes with the item above it with the pool renovation project.

Uh previous to now with rec center pools.

We have put in approximately looks like 3.5 million dollars from different funding sources, and so this continues that methodology of uh putting in a couple hundred thousand.

Parks was looking for an additional 2.5 million.

We just keep working towards that until we get those projects completed.

I'll do 1415 North 13th Street first, and then we'll come back to Lyle House.

Um so 1415 North Um 13th Street.

There are heaters that is the Manglesdorf building where uh forestry resides and the garage, all four heaters are out.

Um, I worked in a couple hundred thousand dollars to repair a couple of the heaters, and then my thought would be is I could work with my facility staff through some budget funding and maybe miscellaneous building repairs and pick up the other two funds, the other two heaters uh outside of this fund so we could stretch the funds farther, and then of course the Lauhouse, uh the ask there was about three million dollars, just give a little history on that.

Just give a little history on that.

So everybody knows it is the oldest frame structure in the city of St.

Louis.

It is in Cronolette Park on the south side.

Been working on the project since about 2122 to do renovations to the actual building along with the Cronolette Park Advisory Board, the Parks Department, all one Schweitzer.

And unfortunately, within about the past year or so, um, there was a fire there happened.

It was an accidental type thing, and it was deemed not to be arson accidental.

Uh it did significant damage to the structure.

Um the structure today is boarded up and has a chain link fence around it.

The estimated cost to come in, repair that structure is about three million dollars.

And so again, with there were some additional funding that the parks department had put within their budget.

I think it was somewhere on the order of a couple hundred and fifty thousand dollars.

I know uh Alder Woman Schweitzer talked about the Cronolette Park Advisory Board having some funding, a possible grant uh from uh a foundation as well as some possible work capital.

So, you know, what I really wanted to do, even though this rated so far down on the survey was to show that the city had some interest in this along with the parks department and put some something in the capital budget to try to help get this to a point where it could actually be renovated.

Now, I am gonna say that, you know, along with the other funding that I talked about and the possibilities, which there are definite possibilities to do this, you know, I would be very careful about spending any of this funding until we have a clear path forward, whether that be, you know, what the program is for the building, whether that's what the funding's going to be or so forth.

We certainly wouldn't want to get into a situation where you know, the Alder Woman, the park department, the capital committee, um, a grant, we spent money on it, and we couldn't finish what it is that we have started here.

What this project does that I'm aware of, and and Alder Woman Schweitzer can probably comment on much further than me, is that it would repair the structure and it would bring it back to a state beyond where it was, uh white boxed out on the inside with new systems, and then um have an opportunity to be used for some type of a future program.

So I I'm gonna stop and ask the Alder Woman, do you want to add anything to that?

Thank you, Rich.

I really appreciate that summary and and for it even being on the list at all.

It is one of the um veins of my existence.

I'll put it that way, uh, the Lyle House.

And I think my entire neighborhood and community feels the way.

I know a few board one residents on this committee uh feel my pain with it.

Uh for years, we have been getting our ducks in a row.

It had no plans uh for the building.

I know the BPS team and some consultants worked to build out, you know, the the where it where does the electrical run?

How does the plumbing in this building work?

Where does it go?

You know, it's a really old building, and a lot of that just wasn't known.

So once that information was in hand, it was less than five months later that the building caught fire and is now in the current condition it's in.

So we got to a really close point to making a making it a building that could be used, and then this happened and it really set us back.

Um, really hurt morale, I think as well, um, around uh the renovation work in the community.

Um so we have a grant application out.

The Friends of Crondolette Park do with the True Lask Foundation, which has done significant work in other parks and other historic buildings around the city of St.

Louis and restoration.

Um, you know, certainly this building isn't as far gone as buildings that have been restored to productive use, but it is in really truly terrible shape.

So, you know, hundreds of thousands of dollars has been put into this building in the last 10 years and it's in the shape that it is now.

So I think we're all in that place where, you know, unless there's significant private investment, the city isn't going to have the funds that it needs to do it on its own, regardless of what capital fund it comes from.

Um with how much the need is and how great the needs are on other projects.

So, you know, right now, the with this 250,000, if this goes through at 250,000 from the Cronolette Park uh capital funds that exist for that park.

Um, I have a hundred thousand of board capital that I'm so grateful is available because South Broadway is getting done through some ARPA funds, so money I'd saved, could be used for something else, which is great.

Uh, and then a 250,000 dollar um for year one ask to true lask, uh, which is about um uh you know a little bit less than a third of the project identified uh if all of those funds go through.

Um, you know, obviously the amount of work that needs to happen won't be happen in one year.

So, like so many other projects that Rich talked about, uh it would be probably a multi-year project to get it to productive use.

Um, but unless it has a roof that goes on it, and unless it becomes watertight, we might as well just spend the money to demolish it.

So it is that's where we're at.

And I'm just I know that's uh I I don't I don't say any of that lightly because it's been years of trying to get it moving and um just where it is now.

So um yeah, if anyone out there is listening and has millions of dollars and loves historic buildings, now is your time to speak up uh for the Lyle House.

So uh thanks for giving me that time, Rich, to talk a little bit about where we're at.

Yes, ma'am.

Thank you so much for your description.

Yeah, and I'll add that too, and thank you, Alder Woman.

I I know that's been a sort of a conundrum uh over the last couple of years, and and uh I I think uh since there is no disposition particularly about what happens to how these these funds go, which direction.

I I think it's was just important that one way or another it needs to be addressed, and we do have some funding here to uh take whichever church path it needs to go.

Um so that I I think that's important.

Uh because one way or the other is gonna have to be gonna be uh some solution.

Um Ben, you got your hand raise.

Um I appreciate the discussion as well.

I think the challenge that we're in as a city, and this is I don't think new, but just um to reflect at least for the mayor's office, kind of where the how we're thinking about this particular point in our fiscal landscape and the dynamics that we find ourselves in.

Um making hard choices is gonna be what we are have to do.

Obviously, Alderman Schweitzer has been championing the decaying infrastructure in the water division and our municipal uh utility.

We are in a massive budget gap um right now, kind of across the departments, and I think we should be very careful about also as much as we love some of these historic facilities.

If there is no path that has at least grant money on the table, uh I think it would be difficult to justify using those resources for something that has when we're not funding critical infrastructure.

Uh so I just wanted to say I think we have to take that is you know, these are hard choices to make, but um putting even a quarter of a million dollars against something that probably doesn't have a path.

It seems like we're we could be putting bad money after or excuse me, good money after bad.

Uh but that is I think that's something we have to be willing to say say no to if we don't have um a real um feasible path forward.

So the one thing I'll just mention about that, Ben, and that's all noted, is that even if we decide not to move forward with the project and we you know decide to demo the project, we still have to fund that demo from somewhere in the restoration of the land.

So, you know, um we have to consider that somewhere along the line.

The thing is a liability sitting there today.

The fence has been breached at least once or twice than I'm aware of.

And I think the last thing we would want is somebody to get into this building and get hurt and through the city for way more than what it's worth here.

So um just food for thought, we'd have to put some money towards demo if that is determined to be the path.

Okay, so just to clarify that 250,000 could be renovations or demo.

So right, or specify it that way in this um committee or yeah, we could do that.

Yes, it could be.

I think it would be helpful just to give ourselves more flexibility to it just to do what you identified, and even what Alderman Schweitzer said.

So that line item we wouldn't want someone to say later, like, no, that was designated for renovations, and you're using it for demolition.

We wouldn't want someone to say later, like, no, that was designated for renovations and you're using it for demolition.

And then you know, I don't know, make a uh accusation that we're acting in bad faith.

I mean, I think we could denote on there, it could be renovationslash demolition so that it gives us the wiggle room to whatever's decided to do.

You have your hand right now.

Yeah, thank you.

And I I will note that with the um true last foundation application that's in, you know, we made it very clear in that application that them coming in now is you know, they they had interest in their initial response to us um saying you know they wanted to fund when the building is ready to be kind of white boxed and when it's back to its you know premier use and everything, uh, and we had to respond to them.

Um, you know, if you all don't come in now, it's very likely that we won't be able to save this building because without this kind of private fund now, the city is just not in the position um to put in hundreds of millions of dollars without that um private assistance.

Uh there are other funders, other private funders that are interested in this sort of work, and so Friends of Condolette Park is working really hard uh to try to identify more folks.

Um, and one of the things that I think is just a something I'd like to flag is when when I asked um, you know, no buildings in Crondolette Park are insured.

Uh, and that is scary when you think about our boathouse, our pavilions, our bathrooms.

Um, you know the why the Crown Rec plaques, thankfully, is insured, um, but the rest of them are not.

So, you know, we've had fires in some of the pavilions, and you know what happens if that catches on fire, you know, we're just demoing every city building because we don't have them insured, and I think that is something that is really tough because we have put so much money into the Lyle House over the last 10 years, uh hundreds of thousands of dollars with window replacement, um, with different work that's happened uh with the the plan to the plan to get it to the point where we could actually do the repair, do renovations.

Um, and then you know, it's all cost at this point.

Um because we can't recoup it.

We we don't they're not insured, you know.

I know we're self-insured as a city, so how does that work with all of this?

It's just um something that I think is potentially a bigger problem down the line as well.

I gotta trust a little bit about the insurance.

Yeah, I and I and I think that's a uh a bit of a cost.

Most of the buildings that we do have insured are the ones that have debt service out at Sandy on.

You're required to have insurance, but otherwise it's uh if you incur down if the city encourages damage damages, we're pay as you go.

So and and that's uh I mean you could go in a different direction with that, but then again, you'd have less on an operation operations side, given that you're gonna be paying excessive premiums for the insurance itself.

So I it's a trade-off.

I mean, and then it's just one of those things that you you you have to consider when doing these things.

I mean, if you did have insurance premiums, you'd have less money for capital on on the parks.

So I again it's one of those things you you review and have to debate when you're allocating a limited amount of resources.

Okay.

So I will move on to public safety.

Uh in under public safety, the fire department had a list of about 6.2 uh million dollars in vehicles that they were looking for.

Uh the most important on the list was uh some command vehicles and then ambulances.

Uh the ambulances are one of the most uh vehicles that have issues.

Josh is also on the call here.

Uh we will buy four of them, but two of them are being bought from uh general obligation bonds or excuse me, 2026 capital funds, and then the rest of the vehicles that they were looking for, other than um one hundred foot platform trucker proposed to be over in the uh GOB.

So you'll see that I covered them over there, and then the other issue that is on here is the EMS headquarters roof replacement on Hampton at Watson.

We performed a number of roof replacements under ARPA funding.

We're still wrapping those up as a matter of fact.

We don't have sufficient funding to do the EMS roof replacement.

That's a $500,000 ask.

I got it in at 455.

Again, that's another one that if the bids come in correctly, I won't need to do this, but if they come in high, I can always supplement with that miscellaneous discretionary building funds.

The roof over there is in horrid shape.

It leaks a lot of water air quality issues inside the building.

So that is a major priority.

So at this point, that is what we have for fire.

Uh located Jefferson and Cass behind the fire department headquarters is well underway of construction and has uh well over about 43 million dollars in funding currently.

We are about 12 million dollars short uh for purchasing the radios, the technology, the furnishings, fixtures, and equipment, and um some exterior work to the building, excuse me.

And so um to fit within this envelope, I asked for 1.5 million dollars, and then you'll note that on the GOB side, I also asked for about 3 million on that side as well.

If you move on down to uh municipal buildings, um the first item is medical examiner security upgrades.

Uh that building is a 24-7 365 facility.

Uh, someone is always in the building.

This is for uh door security, lighting, cameras, and so forth.

Um, because again, there's always at least one person in that building, and so we need to protect that building and and our employees that are in there.

The next item is communication division replacement of air handling unit, AHU condensing unit controls 450,000.

This is the communications building on Oakland Avenue.

Uh used to be the old fire alarm bunker.

This is an original unit uh to that building.

We have carried it well beyond its useful life, and so um this needs to be replaced for the communications division, keeps their building uh cool, air conditioned in the summertime.

Uh the next item on the list is the gateway transportation center, uh, repairs to train platforms A and B, 155,000.

This is a safety-related project uh to repair the Amtrak passenger walkways and platforms.

The project is also um also repairs federally mandated safety tiles along the edges of the platform.

So it is a federal requirement to do this, and that is a hundred and fifty-five thousand to do that.

Project.

The next item is South Refuge, um, miscellaneous building repairs adjacent to the transfer station and the south incinerator is a uh garage building uh where approximately 40 employees report daily.

Um the bulk dumpster operation is also within that building.

Uh the roof lakes, the uh electrical is in very poor condition, the locker rooms, the offices, the break room, everything there is in very, very, very poor condition.

And also the heating in that building generally does not work.

And so the original ask for that building uh I believe was six hundred thousand dollars in order to phase an approach here.

Uh I asked we put 200,000 in the program, and we can phase repairing this garage just like we have a number of the other things above.

The toll lot re-relocation.

The tow lot is currently on Hall Street, it is in a very um small facility.

Uh, that's the actual building was damaged by a tornado, not the tornado that damaged North City, but the summer before that actually lifted the roof up and set it back down on the building.

Uh, the building is in very very bad condition.

The tow lot gets broken into regularly.

There's no way to secure that.

So what this 150,000 stands for is uh a design to start a design to move that facility to the old MSI site uh up on Hall Street.

As you all probably know, MSI uh was was torn down.

The site is vacant today, nothing there.

There's about 30 acres of open ground.

Um, not necessarily that the toll lot would take all 30 acres, but it could be moved to that location, uh fenced in and have you know um facilities that are appropriate for our employees to be in.

Hey, Rich, I yeah, yeah, I'm glad you described that because I was a little confused about what that was.

uh up on hall street as you all probably know msi uh was was torn down the site is vacant today nothing there's about 30 acres of open ground um not necessarily that the toll lot would take all 30 acres but it could be moved to that location uh fenced in and have you know um facilities that are appropriate for our employees to be in hey rich i yeah yeah i i'm glad you you described that because i was a little confused about what that was it was a small dollar amount and i didn't know so in terms of describing it for our exhibits it should say two lot relocation uh what design or plans and design or what yeah I think that would probably be a good good way to put that it just as Ben mentioned before maybe we disclosed claimer that so somebody doesn't think we're gonna move it because the the estimated amount right now is about six million dollars it could be less than that we don't know we really need to get into a layout we need to see what we have what we can move and use and so forth so yeah that'd be a good idea we could call a lot uh design great and Ben I see your hands up go ahead Ben I Rich I really appreciate you including it you know based on the conversations we've had with director Jackson and and uh obviously the tow lot and our capacity the whole operation is a big priority for the mayor to address just based on some of the challenges we have with um vehicles around the city um so on a time horizon if we don't have any additional money allocated toward it does that mean nothing would happen till FY28 other than design I think it's gonna take some time to do a layout I think it's gonna take probably a matter of six months or so to get a program put together you know I suppose you could put something into the GOB there or any other funding source that would fall behind that um but I think what I'm just trying to get here is get the ball rolling a little bit and I think yeah I I would agree if there's no other funding sources available no appetite to put it into the bond or you know any other funds then it would have to wait until this time next year.

That's correct.

Okay could we consider it then for a geo bond.

Absolutely I think yeah okay I'll pause there.

Well the only concern I would have on that is that you gotta have particular in the GOB you you you need to have it fleshed out a little bit in terms of what dollar amount you're gonna have.

I don't know necessarily whether it's been fleshed out or it needs to be so but that caveat I would sure and Jim I see your hands raised yes thank you um I guess this project umtro's office was made aware of it uh probably 90 days ago but it was never uh I guess discussed to this to this point where it is mushroomed into a six million dollar project we we've not um been part of any discussion on this especially if we're going to be putting this out as part of a bond issue um I think there's I think there's I just think there's a lot to talk about um in terms of um return on investment and that sort of thing um although we certainly uh support um the concept of getting more cars off the street and generating more revenue um we would just like to be part of any future discussions on this on this particular item if that's okay absolutely yeah just um another comment on this one rich so can you uh from our you know to to Jim's point here we um I obviously you had some discussions with the streets department about obtaining you know looking at other options to try to enhance their capacity you know with other things you know per potentially purchasing it something this was definitely the the less expensive way to gain additional capacity um I think we still don't really have the the full cost figured out but we do think this is significantly less expensive than um other options so happy to have maybe like a small working group on that I guess my point here is I don't want to put I don't want to find ourselves in a situation where okay we like MSI we we do the design it it looks like we could pretty quickly move and at least start to gain some of that capacity that we need for getting more cars off the streets but then uh you know there's no capital to put against it so I don't know if there's some middle ground here where we can um at least have a small amount to start a project with beyond just 1500 for design over well the the other question I had on this specifically is is that we are we are contemplating putting money into the the um repair facility for dumpsters and the um building under which um rich described down at South Refuse um I believe that sooner or later SLDC is going to um put together the and a plan that's going to use that entire facility to create a south terminal similar to what we have at the North Dock and

Well, the the other question I had on this specifically is is that we are we are contemplating putting money into the the um repair facility for dumpsters and the um building under which um rich described down at South Refuge.

Um I believe that sooner or later SLDC is going to um put together the and a plan that's going to use that entire facility to create uh a south terminal similar to what we have at the North Dock.

And what I'm getting to, Ben, is we have to have a home for those people as well.

And it was always discussed that that MSI, they used to do it up there before.

Um, and maybe this could be a combination toll out facility and a place where this dumpster repair area could be.

And again, it's not for this discussion, but I guess um we have to be cognizant that that 30 something acres up there could be possibly utilized for for more than one thing.

I think that makes sense to me.

Um again, I just I worried about getting like pushing off any expansion to FY28.

If anyway, it seems like w a one-year I know design does take some time, Rich, but at the same time, uh, is there a way to preserve some flexibility that if we decide if we were able to get through and start something sooner to at least gain some capacity there that we could is there a mechanism to do that?

Or yeah, I mean, I think and I I hear you.

I I think there has to be some design done.

I think the challenge I had with the funding for capital is there just isn't a lot there to do something there.

Now, if the appetite is to you know get it quicker sooner than later, we look over at the GOB and figure out what would the priority be over what there's a little bit more room there to play with.

Um, you know, I mean, I think at the end of the day, yeah, we could get some fencing up and get a lot in place and start doing some pieces to it.

It just, you know, I would hope it's cheaper than six million.

We own the land, but there's until I get into the design, I really hate to say that's where it would be.

But yeah, I think we could, you know, if it's a big priority, then we look at the GOB and see where it can fit.

And to your point, Rich, you know, construction trailers, fencing, port a potties to get it started to meet what Ben's looking to do, uh, you know, we could do that for us, I I would think a limited time while we're while we're working through the rest and still benefit from the revenue derived from having that up there in a larger footprint.

Well, right.

And and you know, the other thing is I I hate to give the employees the worse place to be in than where they are today.

I would really like to give them an upgraded facility.

They've lived in that for a long time.

So yeah, we just need to look at it and see if we can get something moved along.

I mean, theoretically, uh, you would think it's a fenced area with rock, but you have fencing, you have lighting, you have all the MEP, you have all the sore work and electrical that is not there.

So there's a lot of utility work that'll have to be done uh because that was all abandoned when MSI was removed.

Right.

So yes, we can do we'll look at it.

Okay, so does that mean we could put some kind of small amount against it in the geobond?

Or or does that mean we you would use what's already there?

Well, it I I think it would mean that you'd have and again, we haven't talked about the geo bond yet, but it would mean that on this list that we that Rich has advised for the GO, something else would have to go out, right?

Right.

Yeah.

Right.

I think we're thinking the geobond is around, you know, maybe 21, 22 million dollars.

So when you look at the list, I would say that's kind of what I have from the citizen advisory committee, what I have from everything else.

So you would come in there and say, okay, well, we want to put two million or two and a half million towards the um the tow lots.

So what are we gonna knock out of here in order to do that?

And that's where the discussion would be.

Okay, I'll I'll stand by and let you get through any other pieces before we get up there.

Okay.

All right.

Um let's see.

Let's go to um the next one on the list, which is uh circuit courts building, civil courts building facade repairs.

This is a multiple year program for many, many millions of dollars.

What this $600,000 represents is it completes phase one B of the project, uh, which are critical face panel repairs uh to keep the face panels from shifting and falling off the building.

We've already done about 800, 850,000 in repairs to that building.

This completes phase one of that work.

And then courtroom modernization.

Um the courts asked for about a million dollars to do that.

You'll see I pencil in about 600,000 that couple with the discretionary fund up at the beginning of the conversation, would give them their million uh plus a couple hundred and fifty thousand dollars of other discretionary funds.

And and Paul, I don't know if you want to make any comments about you know courts and where we should be with that.

Yeah, if you recall last year, uh the the courts gave us a rather significant uh bill on on uh capital.

We are able to accommodate most of it.

Um this also addresses most, though not all.

Uh so basically we're we're trying to piece together both from the operating budget, the capital budget, and the GO so that we don't get in a bind with the courts in terms of how we fund this, because they they can come back and say, oh, well, we insist that you fund this, and then our options are off uh uh are off the table.

Um so we're trying to be as accommodating as we can with the sources that we've got, and and that's what this does.

Um we're sort of in the middle of trying to accommodate as much as we can.

Um, and we'll uh see if this works, basically.

Okay.

You want to go all right?

And then um the next item would be circuit attorney um item very similar to what we talked about, the Mc Medical Examiner's office is uh, you know, door door um codes, uh cameras, um security items for the circuit attorney's office, and then we moved down to information technology.

There were a couple items there that were asked for.

The first one was switch network recapitalization, and so that one is uh poor user experience, vulnerability of network due to manufacture no longer supporting devices, uh degraded network performance, and increased uh likelihood of major network outages around the city.

And so that ask was originally for 100,000.

Again, they had some other funding from a previous source.

I I arbitrarily pencil in $50,000, giving them an opportunity to get that project started, and we would be able to phase that like we did other projects.

Uh, anybody that works around City Hall, which you all do, you know that you know the computer networks seem to have a lot of issues.

So I think we we need to uh to do that project.

And then um the next one is uh Cisco core switch replacement, and the core switch is the main network communication hub for all city government offices.

Uh replacing the core switch uh will allow us to stay current with the secure switch technology and have equipment uh that has service and maintenance included.

The original ask for that was 400,000.

Again, this will be a phase project, put in 100,000 for the first year per the request of uh ITSA, and that will get them started in that project as well.

Um did you want to talk about the 2020 the GOB projects, or do you just want to talk about Yeah?

Let me let's uh I do want to do one sidrack and and uh talk about lease purchase for a moment.

Um Rich has basically described most of what we're doing for the regular sources, and uh over the years, uh the least recent years with ARPA and some of the surplus monies, we've been able to cash purchase a lot of our fleet replacements.

Now a lot of that uh now is ending uh our ability to just cash purchase there.

Uh and previously what we did was enter short-term lease agreements, and which allowed us to purchase and replace money of our fleet equipment, much of our fleet equipment.

And I and Jim, you're familiar with this.

I I can't believe the duration.

It was either a seven or 10-year lease purchase agreement that we used to do.

Uh, and then we let them sort of expire and we sort of stair step them over time.

So, what this scenario entails is that we'd allocate three and a half million dollars out of uh what we have in our fleet purchases uh to a new lease purchase.

Um I don't know exactly uh Jim, if we could get the numbers, I uh for what that would get us.

I don't know if that's somewhere uh north of or close to 18 million or so, uh depending on what the interest rates are.

Um and then we could get a list of what the priority replacements would be from ESD based on that we're able to purchase.

Now I know we prioritize that as Rich does between refuse and everything else, similar to what we do with the citizen advisory committee because zip refuse is such a high priority.

But we want we want to be able to get that on a uh regular schedule so that uh uh we can replace what is most needed on that critical list without uh uh but but accommodating that with what what we have available.

And and obviously what when we do a lease purchase, uh the the that duration, the maturity of those uh that lease cannot exceed the useful life of the equipment.

And that's that's sort of our requirement.

So I um I don't know, Jim.

Do you have any thoughts on on uh or who we dealt with before we do have authorization in the board bill and the budget bill to do that?

And I forget who it was that we had did those leases with, but that would be the plan.

Well, I think um first of all, that the concept is great and we've we've gotten good results from it.

Um we would have to uh go back and kind of do a little survey, a minor little uh RFP, if you will, and and have some banks shoot us some rates and and what they would allow us to do.

And in the past, um again, we we've we've gotten uh the tenure tenure money on trash trucks because we can get them to go longer than that, of course, and we would stagger, we'd have to look at the rest of the list that make up uh that two million piece.

And um there's some that uh are five-year uh useful life vehicles and some are seven, but you're right.

We we have to go through and um subject to what the bank will allow us to do.

But more importantly, um I want to couch all this with um McKenzie and I have only briefly discussed both the capital budget, the GO that you've given us, and the concept of a lease purchase.

And so um we would look to her for for further direction.

But counts the concepts, Paul is exactly as you stated.

Okay.

No, no, I appreciate that.

And so basically, just for everyone's uh benefit, we do have that three and a half million there, contemplating that in some way, shape, or form, we would do a lease purchase to just uh to uh supplement our vehicle purchases, and and that would be the way we would uh uh uh sort of uh uh extend our purchases in the next few years uh using utilizing that route.

Okay, um, and we do have yeah, I I would like to go over the GO given that because obviously as we talk about uh what other things we may be able to fund, and I know Ben, you're interested in towing uh uh so everyone should get an idea about what we have available, what potential projects could be charged against it.

And now with the GO, as I mentioned, uh that's issuing debt.

And and so when you issue debt, you you have to make sure the maturity of the project uh or the useful life of the project doesn't exceed the maturity of the bonds.

And so that's one of the requirements, and we have to be specific.

Yeah, yeah.

Rich, I'd appreciate if you just go through that on a briefly just to allow uh uh what it is that we would be considering if we do this GO uh later this would be after, I assume Jim, this is after the budget.

Uh it would be sometime later this year, summer perhaps.

Yeah, we'd be issuing.

Um yeah, but we've um yeah, we what we got to do is we've got to I've I have not talked to anybody over in our general accounting area as to when by which we have to do this to ensure that the levy stays the same.

That'll guide us.

Okay, very good.

All right, Rachel, I'll I'll just leave it to you and just to briefly go through the the listing, the proposed listing here.

And so uh, I'll start at the top of the list.

So I had an item for BPS building repairs, which is a discretionary fund, but as Paul reminded me that in a GO, you have to identify all the items that you're using it for.

And so Ben, this might be an item here where we could put the toll lot for this item, and it would uh have a million dollars in, and maybe that gives us a start into you know, some of the infrastructure around that building.

Just food for thought to think about.

Yeah, I think that would make sense to me, but do you have to necessarily remove a million from something else though?

Well, it's like I said BPS building repairs, which is a discretionary fund, which as I said, Paul reminded me I can't actually do that.

So I would have to identify a number of building repairs, and quite frankly, I can't identify them because I use that fun when they pop up.

So again, I think you know, hearing you loud and clear and knowing what the mayor's directive is, that might be a good one to put in its place.

I mean I I think it's a great way to do it.

The next one down is um uh under street department.

We have underground downtown lighting vaults.

Um, just talk about that just a little bit.

These are 11 concrete vaults uh throughout the city.

The original, uh the what's in them is the electricity and the regulators that run the capacitors that run the street lights downtown.

Uh they are leaking their bad.

We have put money into these before.

I believe we put 500,000 into them previously.

The ask was a million, so this would get us to 750, and we'd be almost complete with that one.

The downtown uh excuse me, signal timing detection that is in the pavement that is the loops and pucks that um the signals that do not have cameras on, so it actuates the signals when a vehicle approaches it.

Again, this is one we have funded before, I believe, and I'm not seeing it really quick here off the top of my head, but um looks like we put in I believe we put in 250,000 previously.

This would get us the next step uh on this project here towards uh their their total ask, which I believe was a million dollars.

The um the bridges Columbia and Southwest.

This is similar situation to uh Compton Avenue.

This is combining two bridges into one on Southwest Avenue on the south side.

Right now we're in a um uh discussion with the courts for a temporary construction easement for one of the properties.

We should be bidding this property in May, or excuse me, this project in May.

And so um uh once is eminent domain of this temporary construction easement's resolved, and so the project had a cap on it.

We think it's about gonna need about an additional million dollars for the local match here in order to build that project.

The ADA transition plan, as I talked about before, complete streets committee recommendation.

They asked for three million.

Uh put 750 on the other side.

This is just continuing that program with a million dollars, all the streets, buildings, programs throughout the city, continue to make all of our programs accessible.

Um, under parks department, these were all uh their asks on their list.

Bear Brothers Park Comfort Station, remove and replace it.

It's condemned 1.7 million.

Off Allen Park YMCA parking lot repairs.

The parking lot up there goes into rain gardens and is all breaking off and falling into the rain gardens.

There are a lot of holes and issues with uh that parking lot.

It needs to be resurfaced for about 750,000.

Clifton Heights Park Comfort Station roof and deck replacement.

Um that actually is a replacement of the comfort station itself.

That building is as well condemned and needs to be removed and replaced.

It's currently closed.

Uh replace and remove and repair place glass block, exterior wall, wheel rec center.

This is the glass block uh on the exterior of the building.

Uh glass block is bowing out and is going to fail at some point in time.

It's a structural issue.

We believe it's a foundation issue, but again, we have to uh get into a full design, probably some geotechnical investigations, uh, some destructive testing, and we estimate that at about 1.2 million because there is a lot of glass block there.

Uh hazardous tree removal.

This is an item.

Uh and Paul, you can tell me whether or not we budgeted for this in the budget for um the parks department.

But this is again staff shortage, and Alan and Greg came in and asked for additional resources for hazardous tree removal, whether it be within the right-of-way outside the emerald ash bore or within city parks.

Yeah, that's a separate item from the ash board.

The ash bore is the one we've been recurring.

Uh this is uh supplemental to that.

Uh supplemental to everything but the ash tree, correct.

Right, that's correct.

I don't want to I don't want to sound like cold water, but I'm not sure that that is something that we can bond.

It's not a capital project per se.

Okay.

July noted.

Okay.

Um under public safety.

This is the list of the vehicles that's fire turned in, other than the ambulances, eight command Tahoe's all-wheel drive, uh 616,000, two 15 passenger vans, 120,000, one 77-foot quint, which is a small ladder truck, 2.2 million, a heavy-duty dump truck with prop plow and salt truck.

That's what they use in the winter time for their headquarters.

There are the facilities and their fire stations to remove snow, and then one shop truck at 100,000.

And all those again are beyond their useful life and need to be updated and replaced.

Um, then we have installation of fencing and parking lots at four engine houses, 23, 28, 31, and 19 for about 280,000.

That's requested because the lots are not secure.

The firemen go out on calls and their personal vehicles are broken into.

Uh, all the other fire stations have um at least eight-foot chain-length fence around them that's lockable and secures their vehicles.

Uh replace carpet with vinyl tile and file fire stations for turn 50.

This is on the second floor in the bunk quarters.

Remove all the carpet squares, carpet tiles that are there that are stained and dirty and moldy and everything else they are and put in a heavy-duty vinyl tile that could be mopped and maintained um by the firemen.

And then fire station driveway aprons.

This is the lead into the fire station from the actual street apron.

Many of them are broken and cracked and so forth.

And so where I have problems fixing those with them is I cannot use street funding to fix them.

I can't use St.

Louis Works funding to fix them.

So it really is a building maintenance fund.

And as you see, $500,000 is a lot of funding to replace these.

Um, so I need to have a standalone item, but they are broken and they do damage millions of dollars worth of trucks when they kick up.

So we're due for replacement on quite a few of those.

Public safety answering point.

We talked about that before.

Hey, Reg, can I can I just interject one thing?

And uh Paul, you got you can weigh in on this as well.

There's some things in that public safety list that might fit nicely into a lease purchase into that rolling stock lease purchase.

Certainly um your discretion, but there's some things in there that would that would fit nicely there that perhaps could free up money for other things you might want to do capital project-wise.

Duly noted, I I think you know that's all going to be determined on what you know you think the least purchase amount could be, and then we can talk about what could or might move around and make sense to do that.

But yeah, thank you for that, Jim.

Surely.

All right, public safety answering point three million.

That's in addition to the 1.5 million, 1.3 million.

I had 1.5 on the other side.

Um, again, that gets us to 4.5 million of the 12 million remaining.

And then, you know, the question was asked, well, where would the remaining funds come from?

We still have public safety eco devo funds that fund about 1.81.9.

So that will get us yet a little closer.

We would probably be within about four and a half, five million dollars of having all the funding uh for the PSAP facility, which is currently being built, actually.

Just another note on that one.

Um, we'll probably need to get a little more specific into what that would mean.

Is it equipment?

Is it is it brick and mortar?

We would have to be a little more specific for bond council purposes.

Six six million dollars for motorola radios, three million dollars for the rest of the technology in the building, and FFE, and then about three million dollars to finish the exterior of the construction.

Okay, well, just pick one that would have a useful life equal to the length of the bonds that we'll sell.

Right, you know, any any of it would would work, but that would be perfect as the as the as the description rather than that general category.

Sounds good.

Okay.

Um, and then finally, city hall roof repairs.

We estimate the roof repairs um on city hall, you know, the whole roof probably needs to be replaced.

There are multiple roofs on here.

Uh, most of it is slate and it needs to be replaced, although you're probably talking about 20 million dollars to replace that.

We were looking at 3 million dollars, and we would start replacing sections of it.

Three million, still a lot of funding to do that.

So again, I put in a project of a million dollars, figuring we could start on this and fund it as we had available funds to uh replace that 1006, 1008 year old slate tile on City Hall that's leaking, by the way, a lot of places.

And then we continue on a little bit here.

We have 1520 market doors and facade repairs.

So that description is replaced to broken and operatable uh automatic entry egress doors of 1520 market.

The doors have been operable for some time, many years actually.

In addition, water's leaked into the facade above the entry, causing considerable deterioration both outside and inside the entry and egress points.

Other issues have caused considerable accessibility issues coupled with an appearance issue, which is an embarrassment to the city for any visitors in this building.

And then the municipal garage repair project preserving a revenue generating historic city building used by hundreds uh of public employees stopping water from entering uh the parking garage and further deteriorating the concrete and the parking decks in the garage and stopping the occasional concrete chunks from delaminating and falling on personally owned vehicles.

And then we have the civil courts uh building and facade repairs.

So that one for 4.5 million or the program I talked about before.

What that 4.5 million actually does is if you look at the top of the building that the sphinx sit on, it's a green metal roof that is called a Zaggeret Roof and the Zaggeret roof to remove and replace it, which it leaks and has a number of issues in it, um is 4.5 million.

So that would replace the actual green roof on top of the civil courts building in conjunction with all the facade repairs.

And then facility court and juvenile detention doors lock residential unit 900,000.

Uh Amanda Sadamka talked about that one a little bit.

Basically, what that does is it takes a non-secure dormitory at the juvenile detention center and retrofits the doors and locks to make it a secure facility so that they can house more juveniles uh within in the building in a secure area, which they're currently short on.

And then finally the Hyper V server replacement for ITSA, all city network storage, website and IT services reply on server nodes, quicker server response times, enhance user experience, improve uptime and Dell warrantied maintenance on all devices.

Uh, if the production stack goes offline, all city IT services will go down, rendering the city IT useless until parts are found.

Maintenance techs are located.

It says the city maintains a seven node Hyper V sac.

And the oldest of these devices is beyond uh the end of its useful support, requiring third-party warrantied services for parts and repair.

So that's all the GOB items.

Great.

Thank you, uh Rich.

Um, yeah, I and Jim, as you mentioned, uh, we have to make sure that the those items on the on the GO are suitable for fine uh funding with a GO.

So it may be a matter of reviewing both columns, and maybe there's something we can switch from one column to the other and move it back so that it's appropriate based on the funding source.

And we're so we can do that.

Um and there also as as uh we mentioned on a couple items, we need a little bit more better description on on what those are so that we either uh whether it's the tow out relocation.

We can just that's the design and and also what it is is what we're doing on the GO so that those who are reviewing it for suitability of the GO have a little bit more detail into what that's being funded.

But that's uh basically what we're looking at.

Um, I know this is a lot of material to go over.

Um, but we're gonna need to have a budget at coming up shortly.

I did was not expecting any uh vote out today, so uh you can get a sigh of relief from that.

But I we do need to have a subsequent meeting to actually make some recommendations.

So what I was hoping to do is schedule another capital meeting within the next week, perhaps maybe a week from today we could uh just to make those recommendations so we can get something uh uh prepared for to go to uh ENA in April.

Um so we'll be reaching out to you.

In the meantime, if there are items that come out or ideas that come up, uh and we want to delve into further uh those items and flesh them out a little bit more before we have a uh the final meeting, just please let me know and we can do that.

Um but uh yeah, I'd uh again we we do need to come to some uh recommendation uh again within the next week or so to to do this.

And so just take that all that all we've got into account and um hopefully we can come up with a package that uh sort of I know it's not gonna be perfect, but uh it will address what we can do with what limited resources we've got.

So yeah, Ben, go ahead.

Yeah, that sounds good uh to me.

Thanks for uh proposing that.

So you're saying next um Monday afternoon.

Sorry.

Yeah, but if that works, I I uh Michelle's out, but uh uh but I was looking at the calendar, and that would that would fit the schedule so that we can get something out uh uh by the end of the month.

Otherwise Weisser, you got your hand up.

I just wanted to take the time to thank you all for all this work.

It's an incredible amount to put together and also uh to the citizens advisory committee who gave so much time as well.

I know that they spent a significant amount of time.

Uh Monday, March 30th is my birthday, and I will be here if that's the date that we're doing.

Uh I expect that I can use one item with no questions from all of you.

Just gonna do it.

Uh I actually have a conflict that if we do it, we're doing the same time on Monday up to something, it will be hard for me to move.

So well, let's I I definitely want to either, I mean, we could try Tuesday as well, but um uh but I we definitely need it within the next week to come up with a meeting time.

So we'll we'll be reaching out to get something scheduled so that we can do this.

Uh in the meantime, you've got your sort of exhibits.

I I did um uh uh I um I did also circulate what the exhibits actually look like uh in the capital.

Uh let me pull that one up.

Uh see here that's not it.

So up on your screen is actually what the uh capital exhibits look like would look like going over all the things that we've discussed today, as well as some of the citywide and and the parks exhibits, which we'll have to word and particularly with the the the Lyle House issue that we talked about earlier.

Um so we can we can wordsmith all that reflect what we discussed today.

Uh but just take a look at all of that.

I I think it's important also with the GO that we do have a recommended list because when we go back to let's say the courts, we've got something to point to, and when they say, hey, where's our projects?

We can point to that list, say here's what we're recommending.

It's not gonna be part of board bill one, but it is part of the geo that we anticipate going.

And I think that's important to show that.

So it's something that we're gonna have to do.

Uh let me see the way chatting here.

Okay.

Well, we'll we'll get we'll get this, we'll get the meeting scheduled.

Uh accommodate everyone's schedule.

Is there anything?

That's all I've got.

And is there anything else, any other outstanding questions uh on any of the material?

Okay, great.

Uh again, thank you for your time, and we'll be seeing you in the next week.

And hopefully we'll come up with some recommendation for the committee.

And thank you, Paul and Rich, for all you've done thus far on this.

Uh as the old woman said, it's incredible amount of work.

Okay.

Thanks, guys.

Thank you all.

Thank you all.

Have a great evening.