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Tempe City Council Regular Meeting - November 6, 2025

City CouncilThursday, November 6, 2025
BodyTempe, Arizona
SessionCity Council
DateThursday, November 6, 2025
StatusFILED
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0:45

I had a dream so big and loud.

0:47

I jumped so high, I touched the clouds.

0:50

Whoa, oh I stretch my hands out to the sky.

0:57

We dance with monsters through the night.

0:59

Whoa, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh.

1:04

I'm never gonna look back.

1:06

Whoa, I'm never gonna give it up.

1:08

No, please don't wake me now.

1:16

This is gonna be the best day of my life.

1:26

This is gonna be the best day of my life.

1:45

And then the sun came crashing in.

2:01

I'm never gonna look back.

2:03

Whoa!

2:04

I'm never gonna give it up.

2:06

No, we'll just go away now.

2:13

This is gonna be the best day of my life.

2:22

This is gonna be the best day of my life.

2:39

I hear it calling outside my window.

3:10

This is gonna be the best day of my life.

3:20

This is gonna be the best day of my life.

3:39

This is gonna be the best day of my life.

4:13

Right now, shining like start, cause we're beautiful.

4:19

We're beautiful right now.

4:23

You're all I see in all these places.

4:27

You're all I see in all these faces.

4:30

So let's continue running out of time.

4:36

Baby, when they look up at the sky, we'll be shooting starts passing by.

4:48

And we'll be burning out like me a lie.

4:52

Baby, when they look up at the sky, we'll be shooting stars just passing by.

5:00

You'll be covering only a face tonight.

5:03

And we'll be burning not like me.

5:05

Alright.

5:31

Cause it's freaking out.

5:33

It's freaking out.

5:35

Right now.

5:37

Shiny likes us, cause we're beautiful.

5:41

We're beautiful right now.

5:45

You all are seeing all these places.

5:48

You all are seeing all these faces.

5:52

So let's pretend we're running at time.

5:58

Baby, when they look up at the sky, will be shooting stars passing by.

6:06

You'll be coming home with me tonight.

6:09

And we'll be burning out like me alive.

6:13

Baby, when they look up at the sky.

6:17

Will they shoot the stars just passing by?

6:21

You'll be coming home with me tonight.

6:25

And we'll be burning out like me.

6:59

You all are seeing all these faces.

7:03

You all are seeing all these faces.

7:48

We always think about this better life.

7:50

This better life.

7:52

We always felt it coming all along, yeah, all the love.

7:56

We got the kids who open paradise, yeah, paradise.

7:59

Now let's go walking hand in hand.

8:02

Come on, baby.

8:03

We can hit start lights, make the wrong style right.

8:07

We can smash the clock, make the pop go rot, with a light steep.

8:12

We don't need no sleep and feel by We could do this all night.

8:21

We could do this all night.

8:24

Everything's alright.

8:27

We got the kids hope in paradise, paradise again.

8:34

We could do this all night.

8:42

We could do the months on the summer skies, the summer skies.

8:56

This season's change our hearts will stay the same.

8:58

Yes, they the same.

8:59

We got the body, feeling starting by spot if we the shot, let's make it one minute warning, council members, one minute warning.

10:18

Thank you.

10:23

Good evening, everyone.

10:24

Welcome to the Tempe City Council regular council meeting.

10:27

Item number one is call to order.

10:29

Council meetings can be watched in real time via Cox Cable Channel 11 and at Tempe.gov slash Tempe11.

10:35

Members of the public may also attend the meeting virtually through Microsoft Teams.

10:39

If you have signed a speech signed up to speak on items later on in the agenda, please know that as the presiding officer, I have the discretion to introduce items out of their regular order as listed on the agenda.

10:56

So those wishing to speak on those items don't have to wait until later in the meeting or to otherwise expedite the business of the meeting.

11:03

If you wish to speak on an agenda item and you haven't filled out a speaker card yet, please make sure to fill out and submit your completed card to the city clerk prior to the agenda item coming forward for council discussion.

11:14

I will call your name when it is your turn for public comment.

11:17

I'd now like to invite everyone who is able and willing to stand to join me in a moment of silence, followed by the Pledge of Allegiance.

12:16

Continued disruptive behavior will lead to removal from the council chambers.

12:35

Should individuals inside the council chambers become disruptive so that city business is not able to be conducted.

13:35

Should anyone be asked to be removed, the mayor will recess the meeting.

14:11

Stretches far beyond the boundaries of our city.

15:15

Thank you, everyone.

15:16

We're going to move on to item number four, meeting minutes, and tonight I'll be assisted by Councilmember Adams.

15:20

Councilmember Adams.

15:21

Thank you, Mr.

15:22

Mayor.

15:22

I'm the microphone.

15:25

I move to turn my microphone on.

15:28

I move to approve the city council meeting minutes in item four A1.

15:33

Okay.

15:34

It's been moved by Councilmember Adams and seconded by Councilmember Keating.

15:37

And just as a note to Councilmember Hodge is attending virtually.

15:40

So please vote.

15:45

Hi.

15:47

And that item passes seven to zero.

15:50

Next up, item four B, acceptance of board, commission, and committee meeting minutes.

15:54

Councilmember Adams.

15:55

I move to accept the board, commission, and committee meeting minutes in items 4B1 through 4B9.

16:02

Okay, it's been moved by Councilmember Adams.

16:04

Do I have a second?

16:05

Seconded by Vice Mayor Garland, please vote.

16:14

Yes.

16:15

And that item passes seven to zero.

16:18

Thank you, Councilmember Adams.

16:20

All right, that brings me to item number five A, Mayor's Reports and Announcements.

16:30

And actually, um, can the council join me down in front for this?

17:10

Okay.

17:14

Whereas the city of Tempe stands on the ancestral homelands of the Hohokam, whose irrigation and agriculture traditions shape this region and the continuing legacy of the Akamo, Atham and the Peaposh nations who maintain deep spiritual ties to these lands.

17:29

And whereas Native American Heritage Month is celebrated every November to honor the rich history, cultures, and contributions of Native and Indigenous peoples in the United States.

17:40

And whereas Native peoples have long demonstrated extraordinary resilience in the face of displacement and cultural erasure and continue to lead the way in the struggle for sovereignty, justice, and environmental stewardship.

17:54

And whereas Tempe is proud to honor the countless ancestral and cultural achievements of indigenous knowledge, technology, science, philosophy, art, and history that have sustained has sustained and shaped the character of our communities.

18:08

And whereas the city of Tempe is dedicated to uplifting and amplifying indigenous voices in our city, acknowledging that the work of healing and decolonization is ongoing and encourages the citizens of Tempe to understand and recognize Native American Heritage Month month as we move forward towards a more inclusive and equitable future.

18:29

Now, therefore, I care Cory Woods, Mayor of the City of Tempe, Arizona, do hereby declare November 2025 as Native American Heritage Month in Tempe, Arizona.

18:48

If you're going to be receiving it, please come down and join us for a photo.

18:55

Thank you.

19:08

Okay, very lady.

19:22

Congratulations.

19:36

Oh, does everybody get this?

19:39

We're gonna get one for everybody.

19:40

Yeah, just let me all get theirs.

19:42

Thank you.

20:00

All right, next up here, item 5A2, appointments to the Tempe Desert Conservation Commission and Rio Salado Enhanced Services Commission.

20:05

Just want to uh congratulate Bianca Ziatal on her appointment to the Desert Conservation Commission and to Pam Garonkin on her new appointment to the Real Salado Enhanced Services Commission as outlined in item 7A1 on this evening's agenda.

20:19

I'll now turn it over to our Madam City Manager for item 5B, City Manager's Reports Reports and Announcements.

20:25

Thank you, Mr.

20:26

Mayor.

20:27

I just wanted to take a moment to express my deepest appreciation to Chief McCoy, Chief Reese, and the men and women of our Tempe Police Department.

20:37

And I must say sworn and non-sworn because I know that there's a distinction, and I want to make sure everyone knows it is the entire department.

20:44

As you will see here in the slide, uh, violent crimes in Tempe went down by 21% in the first six months of 2025.

20:53

While throughout the valley, just to put in perspective, um, it has been 8% on it on a national or on an average throughout the cities.

21:02

Um, we have a reduction in that crime, but also seeing a steady decline since 2021.

21:08

And the attributes to this, we we often do a lot of looking at data and discussing what's working and what's not.

21:15

What do we want to do more of what we want to do less of, and all with keeping in mind who we're serving and the importance of keeping people safe.

21:24

And I would attribute that to the great leadership we do have, our real-time operations center, our target is special operations, as we have seen through from drag racing and other things, and the realignment of resources towards success.

21:38

Um, the work they do behind the scenes every day, and I think we get messages on what happens late at night and during the day, but mostly late at night.

21:47

Um, they are under tremendous pressure every day.

21:51

And we we recognize that work, and obviously it's paying off tremendously.

21:56

Um, it is what makes Tempe a great city, and not just that, a safe city, but also a caring one.

22:03

And I have to thank the leadership, um, especially for that new culture change that has taken place.

22:09

Um, these results don't happen over by chance.

22:12

These are the results of dedication, accountability, and trust that has built over time.

22:17

So thank you, Mayor, for the few minutes to thank our workforce.

22:22

Thank you so much, Madam City Manager.

22:25

All right, next up here.

22:28

Before we move into public appearances, I want to take a moment to address campaign-related activity, especially as we are now in the 2026 election season.

22:35

City council meetings are open to the public and are a vital forum for civic engagement.

22:40

We welcome all individuals, including candidates, to speak on matters of public concern during the public comment portion of the meeting.

22:47

However, because this is an official city council meeting that is both televised and live streamed using city resources.

22:53

We ask all candidates, including any current council members, to refrain from electioneering or campaign-related activity while participating in this meeting.

23:02

That means no discussing your candidacy, asking for votes or signatures, or displaying campaign materials such as signs, t-shirts, or literature while speaking.

23:10

Thank you for helping us maintain the integrity and neutrality of our public meetings.

23:15

Which brings me to item six, public appearances.

23:18

According to the Arizona Open Meeting Law, the City Council may only discuss, respond to, or take action on matters listed elsewhere on this agenda for discussion and legal action.

23:27

The purpose of the open call to the public is to allow individuals to address the city council on any issue within the jurisdiction of the city council.

23:34

No person shall speak more than once, and there is a limit of three minutes per speaker.

23:38

In the interest of allowing all members of the public to have an opportunity to speak, in the case that there were such a large number of persons intending to speak during the meeting that it may deprive other members of the public from the reasonable opportunity to speak.

23:50

The mayor may limit each speaker to less than three minutes.

23:53

Speakers present at the podium must state their name and city of residence and provide a speaker card.

23:58

Members of the public shall refrain from making personal, impertinent, or slanderous remarks, and from becoming boisterous while addressing the city council or while attending the meeting.

24:07

Speakers will be taken first come, first serve in the order in which the cards are received.

24:10

Speakers' visual aids and appearances by phone or recordings are not allowed.

24:14

The city council is prohibited by state law from discussing, responding to, or taking action on matters raised during the call to the public, even if asked to do so by a member of the public, so long as the subject discussed by the speaker is not listed as a specific agenda item for council's discussion for consideration for discussion and legal action.

24:33

Individual members of the council may respond to criticism made by speakers, ask staff to review a matter, or request a matter be placed on a future agenda.

24:42

Now, with that all out of the way, I'm actually going to get to the list of speakers here.

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And once again, I'm going to take these in the order in which I receive them.

24:49

And the first speaker I have here is Eric Johnston.

24:52

Please come forward, state your name and city of residence.

24:55

You have three minutes.

24:58

Thank you very much.

25:00

I appreciate the time and opportunity to talk to you tonight.

25:01

My name is Eric Johnson.

25:02

I live in Tempe, specifically on the sixth hole of the Shalomar Golf Course.

25:06

I have played that golf course over a thousand times, which means I have taken five million steps on that piece of property, and it is a special piece of property.

25:15

I am also an ASU professor.

25:16

I'm in my 19th year, and I'm the co-director of the Center for Smart Cities and Regions.

25:21

As we travel around the world talking about what makes a city smart, three things step out, stand out.

25:27

Trust, community, and nature.

25:30

When it comes to community, I always describe Shalomar as a cheers bar of a golf course because everyone knows each other.

25:37

This is very useful because over the weekend, hundreds of people pass by and I know about half of them.

25:42

And we talk.

25:43

But it also is incredibly important when disaster strikes, because these are the people that help to rebuild your community.

25:48

Shalomar specifically is one of the biggest generators of social capital in Tempe.

25:54

When it comes to trust, you probably have seen the maps of the thousands of households that have advocated for not rezoning Shalomar into high-density households.

26:04

But you have not seen the parallel sort of maps of thousands of households demanding that we rezone this specific property.

26:11

If there has ever been a unanimous consent of the public, this is it.

26:15

And it is our expectation, as you as leaders of the public to reflect the will of the people.

26:21

And the will of the people in this case is absolutely clear.

26:24

Do not rezone it.

26:25

And then when it comes to the final issue of nature, it's not hard to understand how long it would take to rebuild a 60-year stable ecosystem.

26:34

If we start tomorrow, none of us would see the fruits of that labor.

26:37

But we don't have to start tomorrow because it exists today.

26:40

What we're asking for is the urgency to preserve it and to allow it to be kept zoned the way it currently is, because it is so essential.

26:48

I want to leave you with one thought experiment.

26:50

At the point that you would rezone Tempe Town Lake into high density housing, that is the same time that you should start considering rezoning Shalomar.

26:59

Because the issues that I talked about of trust, of community, and nature all apply to Tempe Town Lake at the same level as Shalomar.

27:08

The only difference is scale.

27:09

And with that in mind, I appreciate your consideration in this matter, and I hope that you vote to not rezone it.

27:15

Thank you so much.

27:15

Appreciate it.

27:17

Okay, the next three speakers will be virtual.

27:20

Uh and the first in that list is David Sokolowski.

27:26

Hello, can you hear me okay?

27:27

Yes, uh, please state your name and city of residence.

27:30

You have three minutes.

27:31

My name is David Sokolowski, I live in Tempe.

27:34

Tempe has one of the worst housing shortages in the state and is a leading cause of the housing crisis.

27:40

The general plan says we're going to create 71,000 jobs, and that means we're probably going to need 30,000 low-income housing units.

27:47

The general plan has only 31,000 units, and Tempe would need to build 95% low-income housing.

27:54

I don't think that's going to happen.

27:57

The city needs to triple the current rate of construction.

28:00

It's the only way to fix the root cause of the housing crisis, which is the housing shortage.

28:05

We need to support economic development and provide market rate, workforce, and low-income housing.

28:12

It's the only way to make an inclusionary zoning policy effective.

28:16

We can't have 95% inclusionary zoning.

28:19

It's the only way the city can afford to invest in low-income housing by increasing permit fees and property taxes.

28:27

Do you remember S3 1117?

28:30

I said it's only a matter of time before the state takes local control.

28:34

And the city said we're not going to allow it.

28:37

But then what happened?

28:38

The state approved adaptive reuse, ADUs, the axon bill, missing middle, and administrative reviews.

28:47

This is your opportunity to adopt reforms so you can keep what control you have left.

28:52

The city needs a real density bonus program.

28:55

And I'm happy to guide the city to reforms that can increase housing supply.

28:59

You can start by allowing developers to build what they want.

29:03

100 units at the LEO, 100 units at the Marshall, 300 units at the standard.

29:08

That's a 30% increase.

29:11

We have developers working to reduce the housing shortage if only the city would allow it.

29:16

This proves the city of Tempe restricts housing supply.

29:20

And it explains why the state is taking local control.

29:23

I can explain why the city of Tempe is still in denial.

29:27

This isn't just my opinion, it's basic math.

29:30

It's going to take the city 60 years to eliminate our housing shortage, and the city's entire affordable housing supply will disappear in just 15 years.

29:40

I'm very confident, in my opinion, the state will determine Tempe's negligence because we're not going to wait 60 years.

29:55

Thank you for listening.

29:57

Thank you.

30:00

The next speaker I have is Diane Melrose.

30:07

Hello?

30:08

Hi, yes, please state your name and city of residents who have three minutes.

30:12

All right, my name is Diane Melrose.

30:14

I live in Tempe.

30:15

Uh my pollinator habitat is a thriving ecosystem.

30:19

I have over 30 species of native plants in my side yard alone.

30:23

I have seven different species of milkweed.

30:26

I have multiple species of pollinators.

30:28

I have host plants, I have nectar plants, I use mulch religiously.

30:32

I harvest rainwater.

30:34

I'm doing all the things listed in the mayor's monarch pledge you made last year.

30:38

Tempe is fully committed to environmental stewardship.

30:41

That's what your press release said.

30:43

Well, here I am, ready to steward the environment.

30:47

In the Metropolitan Gardening Community, Tempe is known for its code compliance letters for the fact that ordinances are subjectively enforced based on the whims of begrudging neighbors and inspectors who don't know the difference between Boridge and Brasica.

31:01

Tempe markets itself as a sustainable city, but when it comes to home gardens, it acts like the ignorant HOA board having a panic attack when yards don't match.

31:11

The neat, sterile aesthetics of a desert-minded June cleaver.

31:15

Turning one of your biggest apartments into a watchdog for angry residents to nitpick their neighbors seems like a very poor use of my tax dollars.

31:24

Because that's not community development, that's community divisiveness.

31:28

And it's not community enhancement, it's community diminution.

31:33

It's time to update your ordinances to reflect a city with a stated commitment and hold a vision dedicated to sustainability.

31:40

It's not sustainable to randomly target residents with messy yards when those yards are the very places where wildlife can flourish.

31:49

People in the neighborhood have told me how much they love my yard, that it makes them smile, that it's a stress relief, that they change their route in order to go by my house.

32:00

Sustainability means creating something that can be maintained.

32:04

Zero scaped, heat reflecting, root ball baking, rock landscapes are not sustainable in this city.

32:11

We're boiling Swaros for God's sake.

32:15

Sustainable means working to sustain habitat to sustain life.

32:19

And life is messy.

32:21

Life needs mulch and leaf drop and places where native bees can overwinter and birds can find food.

32:28

Many people want to see more green spaces in Tempe.

32:31

With only 42 square miles, we're pretty limited on adding more places that don't come with concrete and asphalt.

32:37

But home gardens are perfectly placed to provide more foliage.

32:41

Let's update the city codes so residents who want to create pollinator habitats have the tools, resources, and support to help their neighbors smile, reduce their stress, and add some more plant life to our growing city.

32:53

Thank you.

32:54

Thank you.

32:56

The next speaker I have is Robert Nichols.

33:00

So yes, hi, please state your name and city of residence.

33:07

You have three minutes.

33:09

Hi everyone, my name is Bobby Nichols.

33:11

I am a Tempe resident of 25 years, and I want to thank the Mayor and Council for their time today.

33:17

Today I am affirmatively calling on the city of Tempe to immediately cancel its contract with the artificial intelligence surveillance company called Flock Safety.

33:25

Since October 16th, when I last spoke to you on this topic, new information about privacy dangers created by the use of Flox technology has come to light.

33:34

Tempe has maintained without verifiable evidence that flock cameras assist law enforcement with preventing and stopping crimes.

33:41

Tempe has also maintained that their network of flock cameras are not accessible to law enforcement from jurisdictions outside of our city, private third parties, Donald Trump's Department of Homeland Security, or ICE.

33:53

And I tend to believe that the city is not intentionally exposing our residents' personally identifying information to unscrupulous actors.

34:01

I am, however, very concerned that the use of Flocks automated license plate readers and video cameras will result in such exposure, whether the city approves it or not.

34:11

A brief review of Flock's terms and conditions, which are available on their website and also, according to Flock, are incorporated by reference in its service agreements with users reveals that all users, by using their services, grant flock royalty-free, irrevocable, perpetual, and worldwide licenses to use the images, audio, and or video segments made available to the customer through the web interface in connection with the flock services, together with the metadata associated with that customer's use of the flock services, such as license plate numbers, timestamps of capture, and geospatial coordinates.

34:46

Further, raw images and footage from flock cameras have been successfully acquired by private third parties in multiple states via simple public record requests.

35:00

Most troublingly, an October study from Washington University's Center for Human Rights revealed that Flock has built a virtual back door into their technology that allows the Department of Homeland Security and ICE to access, save, and make use of images and footage collected by municipal flock networks for the purposes of immigration enforcement without the consent or knowledge of the cities or police departments who actually purchase the Flock networks.

35:24

Flock's refusal to protect resident data collected by the technology itself means that there is only one way to affirmatively prevent the disclosure of footage and images generated by Flox cameras, and that is to prevent those images and footage from being collected in the first place.

35:41

I again affirmatively call on this council to terminate the contract with Flock and to protect our residents' personally identifying information.

35:49

Thank you.

35:50

Thank you.

35:52

The next speaker is Tanya Pallat.

35:57

Please come forward, Stage Freedom and City of Residents who have three minutes.

36:02

Thank you very much, Mr.

36:03

Mayor.

36:03

Thanks to the council.

36:04

Can everyone hear me okay?

36:05

Yes.

36:05

Okay, great.

36:06

Um, thank you for your time today.

36:08

My name is Tanya Palath Hussein.

36:10

I am a resident of South Tempe.

36:12

And I'm here today to second Bobby Nichols' statement about canceling this contract with Flock.

36:17

This is incredibly disturbing.

36:18

I'm here today as a proud American citizen and as a member of the Asian American community here in Tempe, but I stand here to speak for the people who are literally too terrified to leave their homes to even get groceries.

36:29

I'm part of a collective of citizens here in the valley that has gotten together to provide.

36:34

We're a loosely organized collective of people who provide groceries and assistance with legal matters to people who are who have loved ones kidnapped by ice.

36:43

Over 6300 people, by the way, in Arizona alone have been disappeared.

36:47

And one way that Tempe can push back against this very disturbing trend is to cancel this contract with Flock.

36:53

I am here today, even though I understand that there are some security advantages and some cases that have been solved using this technology.

37:10

Most disturbing to me is the utter lack of transparency here.

37:13

There's not even a sense of where these cameras are located.

37:16

And please, I'm here to make sure that you understand that this is not making Tempe safer.

37:21

This is something that is very scary to citizens.

37:23

And it just put yourself in the shoes of those who have the least amount of power.

37:27

And I think as our leaders of our city, we are most responsible to those with the least amount of advantage.

37:33

It's a very slippery slope with these kinds of technologies.

37:36

We cannot predict or control what they will do.

37:38

And as Mr.

37:39

Nichols indicated, these contracts, uh there's backdoors built in.

37:43

I just simply we're at a time where we do not trust these technologies that have our best interests.

37:48

And I think we have seen that with violence and brutality unfold here in Arizona.

37:52

So I believe that Tempe should cancel this contract.

37:56

This is the very least you can do in a time where your citizens are fearing for their lives on their walk to school.

38:02

You know, this week people were taken.

38:03

And so I think that in conclusion, I'd like to yield my time by saying that this technology is not going to make Tempe safer.

38:10

And if Tempe, in your public statement, as you've said, um, that you you want we want our community to continue to be a welcoming place where our residents feel secure, our residents feel secure.

38:21

That should be your priority.

38:23

Thank you for considering my comment.

38:24

I hope you will do the right thing.

38:26

Thank you.

38:27

Appreciate it.

38:29

The next speaker I have is Trudy Musig Musington.

38:33

Excuse me.

38:35

I'm going to try that one more time.

38:36

Trudy Musigman, now that I've cleared my throat.

38:39

So please come forward, state your name and City of Residents.

38:42

You have three minutes.

38:44

Good evening.

38:45

Good evening, Mayor Woods and Council members.

38:48

My name is Trudy Musicman, and my husband and I live on Shalomar Golf Course Hole number two.

38:53

I am here to speak on behalf of the Safe Shalomar campaign to no rezoning of the Shalomar Golf Course.

39:01

Tempe is the third highest density city in the metro area.

39:06

We also have 60% rentals with approximate approximately a hundred eleven hundred and fifty being short term.

39:13

I read an article today in the Tempe Trap Tribune Tribune that stated that we are losing five low-in-house income housings per day.

39:23

Why is this happening?

39:25

Why will the city or how will the city maintain affordable housing in the future?

39:30

Is the city allowing corporations to come into the city and build in the name of affordable housing and then after a period of time changing the standards to regular housing rates?

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We personally get several calls a week from people wanting to purchase our property.

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When is there going to be legislation stopping corporations from buying in, coming in and buying up our properties and controlling our home and rental prices?

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Tempe prides itself on diversity, and Shalomar neighborhood is a good example of this.

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As you have seen by different age groups and ethnic ethnicities speaking each month, but if the city council does not limit the density to specific areas of the city, it's going to lose the older generation and the single family demographics.

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The Shalomar proposal is not affordable housing.

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In addition, it will destroy the character of this 1960s neighborhood and the diversity within.

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As the city goes grows, it will need open green space to support social cohesiveness and quality of life.

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I appreciate your letting me speak, and thank you for your time.

40:45

Thank you.

40:47

The next speaker I have is Elba Contero.

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Please come forward, state your name and city of residence.

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You have three minutes.

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Good evening, Major Woods.

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Thank you.

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City Council.

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City Manager.

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And all of you.

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Most of you know me.

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I am Elva Quintero, and I live in the Shalomar neighborhood.

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And yes, I am involved in the Save Shalomar effort of No Rezoning.

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I am here tonight to thank each one of you for all the hours you have given us.

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You have listened to us, to our request and needs, and provided information when information was available.

41:50

I also want to thank Mr.

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Jeffrey Tamulovich and his team for being available and respond to our request of any information regarding the Shalomar developments.

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I thank you, and I ask you, please vote no to rezoning.

42:17

I wish you a very happy Thanksgiving.

42:20

Thank you.

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Appreciate it.

42:23

The next speaker I have this evening is Rob Kaplan.

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Please come forward, state your name and city of residence.

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You have three minutes.

42:39

Hi.

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I'm Robert Kaplan.

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I live in Tempe.

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My wife and I have lived in Shalomar since 1993, spanning over three decades.

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We have raised our two children within this community.

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Our neighborhood is not in need of an influx of human and vehicular traffic from a densely populated apartment complex.

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Our neighborhood should not witness a decline in property values by tens of thousands of dollars, potentially reaching as high as 100,000 plus, particularly particularly around the perimeter of the proposed development.

43:43

My wife has served as the block watch captain for many years, and we are both deeply invested in the community.

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We do not need a marked increase in traffic on country clubway or through the neighborhood on golf, which are the only two ways of entering and exiting the proposed development.

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This neighborhood has been an exceptional place to raise our children, and we firmly believe that it should continue to thrive for families with young children who currently live here.

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Vote no on rezoning, Shalomar.

44:26

Thank you.

44:27

Thank you.

44:29

The next speaker I have is Loretta O'Connor.

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Please come forward, state your name and city of residence.

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You have three minutes.

44:43

Hello.

44:45

Hi.

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My name is Loretta O'Connor.

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My husband and I live in Tempe at the edge of the Shalomar Green Space, and we are against the rezoning of the Shalomar Golf Course.

44:57

I made a statement before this council in February.

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And here we are, still waiting for a formal proposal for rezoning.

45:05

The new Heisell family who owns the property has offers to buy the property, including a buyer who would keep it a golf course.

45:14

Instead, they chose to stop watering at the end of April.

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So now we're watching the deliberate killing of the green space as everything dies from thirst.

45:24

Now, some members of the council have expressed support for our response to the rezoning question.

45:30

Much appreciated.

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And they will be happy to know that the recent heavy rains have turned the grass green and may have helped the trees a bit too.

45:40

It seems even Mother Nature is fighting the greed and cruelty of the current situation.

45:47

Some members of this council are still on the fence about the rezoning question.

45:52

I urge them to study the pictures on the developer's website.

45:56

Several distorted sort of fun house visions of an ugly high density clutter plopped in the middle of a beautiful 1960s neighborhood of unique houses.

46:09

Many people have pointed out the terrible traffic problems that hundreds of new cars would bring.

46:15

I'd like to focus on the winsome little pocket parks proposed for the northeastern tips of the arms of the golf course property and meant as little gifts to the public in compensation for ruining our property values.

46:31

My family's backyard runs along the tip of the southern arm, so we would be close to the southern pocket park.

46:38

Now, we wouldn't use it.

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So how would other people get there?

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The entrance to the road around the proposed gated community is rather far away.

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So the most convenient way to get to the park is through the neighborhood yards.

46:52

This is Looney Tunes.

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Both parks are unnecessary and obviously unworkable.

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Most important, they're typical of the insulting attitude of the developers towards this community.

47:07

The high density housing could be built anywhere.

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It does not require a green space filled with trees.

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And the current plans for homes in the high 800 and low $900,000 price range would not help solve the city's affordable housing problem.

47:28

This proposal would only make our lives worse.

47:33

Thank you for this opportunity to address the council and thank you for working with our Save Shalomar committee toward a future we can all be happy with.

47:42

Thank you.

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That is all the cards I have this evening.

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Is there anyone else in the audience wishing to address the city council?

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If so, please get my attention.

47:54

All right, seeing none, I'll close that portion of the meeting and move on to item seven, which is the consent agenda.

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All items listed on the consent agenda will be considered as a group and will be enacted with one motion by the city council unless an item is removed for separate consideration.

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Members of the public may remove public hearing items for a separate consideration.

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Public hearing items are designated as public hearing item at the beginning of the item title.

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Council members may remove any item for separate consideration or to declare a conflict of interest.

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If a council member would like to declare a conflict at this time, the city clerk will provide the council member with a disclosure form.

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If you wish to speak on a public hearing item, please fill out a speaker card and submit your completed card to the city clerk prior to the agenda item coming forward for council discussion.

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I will call your name when it is your turn for public comment.

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This evening the consent agenda is listed as miscellaneous items 7A1 through 7A4, awards of bids and contracts, items 7B1 through 7B4, and resolutions item 7C1 through 7C7.

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Once again, any agenda item designated as public hearing item can be removed by member of the public for separate consideration.

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If anyone would like to have a public hearing item removed, please get my attention now.

49:05

All right, seeing then I'll look to my council colleagues.

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Are there any items that you'd like to have removed from the consent agenda for separate consideration?

49:13

All right, seeing none that I will look for a motion to approve the consent agenda as read.

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It's been moved by Councilmember Keating and seconded by Vice Mayor Garland.

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Please vote.

49:27

Yes.

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And that item passes seven to zero.

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Thank you.

49:38

Um next up here.

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Item eight, non-consent agenda.

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All items listed on the non-consent agenda will be considered separately.

49:48

Agenda item scheduled for introduction and first hearing will be heard, but will not be voted upon at this meeting.

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Agenda item scheduled for second public hearing and final adoption will be voted upon tonight.

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Council members who may have a conflict of interest may abstain from voting on a matter, and the city clerk will provide the council members with a disclosure form at this time.

50:04

So first up, 8A miscellaneous items bids, contracts and resolutions.

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8A1 is to hold a public hearing and adopt a resolution to modify the schedule of charges, rates, deposits, and fees for water services by amending appendix A schedule of fees and charges of Tempe City Code Section 33-56.

50:22

This is a public hearing item, so I will look to see if there's any public testimony on this item at this time.

50:27

Please get my attention.

50:30

All right, seeing that I'll close the public testimony portion of the public hearing.

50:33

Council members any comments or discussion.

50:36

Hearing none, I'll look for a motion on item 81.

50:40

Move by Vice Mayor Garland.

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Do I have a second?

50:42

Seconded by Councilmember Keating, please vote.

50:51

Okay.

50:52

And that item passes seven to zero.

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The next item under the section is 882, which is to hold a public hearing and adopt a resolution to modify the schedule of charges, rates, deposits, and fees for wastewater services by amending appendix A, schedule the fees and charges of Tempe City Code Section 27-196.

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This is also a public hearing item, so I'll open up the public testimony portion.

51:15

Is there anyone wishing to give any public testimony this evening?

51:19

Seeing that I'll close the public testimony portion of the public hearing.

51:22

Council members, any comments or discussion.

51:25

It's been moved by Councilmember Adams and seconded by Vice Mayor Garland.

51:28

Please vote.

51:30

And that item passes seven to zero.

51:34

The next item under the section is 8A3, which is to hold a public hearing and adopt a resolution to modify the schedule of charges, rates, and fees for solid waste services by amending appendix A, schedule of fees and charges of Tempe City Code Section 28-61.

51:51

This is also a public hearing item.

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So if anyone would like to speak on this item, please get my attention now.

51:57

All right, seeing that I'll close the public testimony portion of the public hearing.

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Council members any comments or discussion.

52:03

It's been moved by Vice Mayor Garland.

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Seconded by Councilmember Chin.

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Please vote.

52:11

And that item passes seven to zero.

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The next item under the section is eight A4, which is to approve the utilization of a City of Phoenix cooperative contract with velocity truck centers for the purchase of solid waste collection vehicles.

52:25

Council members any comments or discussion.

52:29

It's been moved by Councilmember Amberg.

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And seconded by Councilmember Adams, please vote.

52:36

And that item passes seven to zero.

52:39

The last item under the section is eight A5, which is to award a professional services contract to diplomate associates consulting engineers incorporated for project number 322 1025 C collection system assessment fiscal year 2526.

52:56

Council, any comments or discussion.

52:59

It's been moved by Vice Mayor Garland.

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Seconded by Councilmember Chin, please vote.

53:05

And that item passes seven to zero.

53:09

The next section on the non-consent agenda is ordinances and items for introduction and first hearing.

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The items under this section will be read and introduced tonight, but no substantive votes will be taken.

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The second hearing and votes for items 8B1, 8B2, and 8B6 are scheduled for November 13th, 2025.

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The second hearing and votes for items 8B3, 8B4, and 8B5 are scheduled for December 11th, 2025.

53:36

So the first item under the section is 8B1, which is to introduce and hold the first public hearing to adopt an ordinance for planned area development overlay for Dorsey Station, located at 1320 East Apache Boulevard and 1412 South Dorsey Lane for a new mixed-use development with 400 dwelling units located within five buildings and approximately 11,000 square feet of new commercial floor area on 6.7 acres.

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The applicant is Dorsey Development Partners.

54:04

And good evening, Mr.

54:05

Huhlmantle and Mr.

54:06

Marshall.

54:07

But I see Mr.

54:07

Huelmantle, you're the one at the mic.

54:09

So thank you.

54:09

And Mr.

54:10

Marshall's here, my partner.

54:11

We've uh both been in Tempe for our entire adult lives.

54:14

And so we're really excited to see this project tonight.

54:18

Um the project that we're talking about is a project that the city council's been involved in for some time.

54:24

Um kind of go through some of the slides.

54:26

I'll try to go a little quicker because I know there are other things still on the agenda this evening, but I want to talk a little bit about some of the other things we've done in Tempe because I think they're really relevant to what happens here.

54:36

Uh Todd and I spent a lot of time working on what's known as the Farmer Arts District, which is the area just north of university.

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And over the years, we have worked to do something sort of similar.

54:46

I'll tell you why in our minds it's similar.

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Uh the area along farmer was dilapidated.

54:52

It had been long since vacant, vacant.

54:54

They were really tough parcels with with lots of challenges.

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And we worked then with the city to acquire the land and to solve some of the challenges.

55:05

The land looked pretty rough when we started.

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It was pretty narrow, pretty unpedestrian oriented.

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And it was the wrong place for that.

55:15

It was the thing that separated downtown from other parts of Tempe, our neighborhoods.

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And we really wanted to bring those two things together.

55:23

And ultimately, you can see some of the things as to what it looked like before.

55:28

We worked to do something very different.

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And it's the same kind of thing we want to do here.

55:33

The farmer piece is interesting because it's a long linear piece, and it was along an old rail line that's still used today, but wasn't designed for pedestrians.

55:44

The Dorsey site is similar for different reasons.

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And that is we think today of the Apache Corridor as one of the places we've invested the most amount of money in rail and in pedestrian environments.

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But that's not what it was designed as.

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But first, it's a place for people.

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This is uh one of the buildings that we've built, but this is where we are today.

57:22

These are the buildings that exist, and uh they have long since outlived their various uses.

57:28

Um it is worth noting that this is also unfortunately uh the site of the death of the first Tempe firefighter, and so we're working with the city to provide an appropriate memorization of that event and to to honor that firefighter.

57:45

So you'll see that uh as we move on, and hopefully you'll all be at the the opening, and we'll have something we can present at that point in time.

57:52

But you can see these buildings are the worst kind of environment for pedestrians.

57:57

Large bad parking lots, little landscaping, little shade, certainly not environmentally sensitive materials.

58:05

Uh really, this is not a great place for people to walk or be.

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But we think it can be.

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Despite its challenges, and there are many, it's a great opportunity, and we're excited about what we can do.

58:18

Again, it is on the light rail.

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You can see that that this was once uh uh a highway, not a freeway that we think of today, but an old highway, which was designed for people to use cars to go everywhere.

58:30

You would hardly think about walking further than your car.

58:36

We've designed uh several buildings on two sites.

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We've tried to incorporate them in some ways, but make them unique in their own way.

58:44

And uh we've tried to keep in mind that this is on a series of stations, both light rail and streetcar.

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It's a bit of a walk-street car, but but certainly not much, and we've tried to provide a great environment for that.

58:58

Um we've provided it's important to point, we've point out we've we've heard some discussion earlier this evening about affordability.

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90% of this project is affordable.

59:07

A vast majority of this product is affordable, some of it is family, some of it is senior.

59:12

Uh, we also have included uh space for a grocery store and been working with your staff.

59:17

These are two really challenging sites, and it's worth pointing out uh as we talk about your staff.

59:23

Um, both Chris Jasper uh and and Josh Josh Rutherford have been incredibly helpful every step of the way.

59:30

It's been it's been a real partnership, others as well from from staff, but those two have really taken point to work in collaboration with us to come up with uh a way to make these really tough sites really livable.

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And we're really proud of what it has turned into, or what if you approve our project, what it will turn into, which is again uh providing wider sidewalks, places for people to be, ways to access the building for pedestrians, for people.

1:00:00

Uh they can enter as vehicles as well, but we've really tried to center this on people given its proximity to rail.

1:00:06

We've tried to find little pockets for places to be, uh certainly in front of the grocery store, but in other places as well.

1:00:13

Um you can see the various layout of buildings.

1:00:16

One of the things that's important to note is that this is not the plan we originally came forward with.

1:00:22

Uh we came forward with a plan, we thought it was a good plan, we talked to staff, and then we talked with the neighbors, and when we met with the neighbors along Hall Street, which is the street uh immediately north of us, um, many of them brought up the same point, which is they'd rather not be so close uh to buildings.

1:00:41

And so we worked with those neighbors to come up with a new plan, which has some really interesting benefits.

1:00:47

The downside is it's more expensive.

1:00:49

The six-story building is more expensive than than the other plans we could have come up with, but allowed us to really put the density along Apache, which again really reinforces that pedestrian core, but it gave the single family homes a huge distance away from the building.

1:01:04

And so their line of sight was dramatically different.

1:01:07

And I appreciate the residents spending time talking with us, sharing their perspective and helping us get to a better place.

1:01:15

I can go over each of the buildings, but let me just kind of go over quickly, and then if you have more questions, I know this is in your packet.

1:01:22

Happy to answer them.

1:01:23

These are some of the images.

1:01:25

They're obviously we've gone with a white and blue pattern.

1:01:28

Uh we think it's light and airy, it's unique for um for Apache.

1:01:33

We also have designed a market that we think will really serve uh not just the residents of this project, but hopefully the surrounding neighborhoods were working with your staff to find the appropriate um user, and we certainly have worked your staff to come up with a design that's flexible.

1:01:51

Again, lots of space.

1:01:53

We know that some people will use the grocery store, others will use a grocery store and then spend some time before they get on the rail system.

1:01:59

So we've tried to provide unique space, uh a sense of place for people to be and enjoy this as part of their neighborhood.

1:02:14

One of the questions that came up uh just today is to talk a little bit about some of the environmental features of this.

1:02:22

Um we actually won an environmental award for some of our work on Farmer.

1:02:26

We're proud of that, and we've always worked to do things that uh that work for the community.

1:02:31

I think one of the things we hope that you see when you walk down Farmer is the significant foliage, the trees that that are on all sides of the building and the pedestrian pathways.

1:02:42

Those are important features for if you want people to walk, you have to give them a place that's inviting, or they simply won't do it.

1:02:48

And so we think you've seen that on Farmer.

1:02:50

We've certainly tried to design the same kinds of things here.

1:02:53

Uh we've incorporated shade in the various pathways, both uh by by using buildings and by using plants.

1:03:02

Uh we we also have in our previous buildings in this one as well, uh, work to design with Energy Star and other energy ratings to make the buildings more efficient so they use less fuel, specific spot fossil fuel.

1:03:15

We've used low-flow plumbing fixtures.

1:03:18

Um we've done water harvesting, which again is is not only good because you save the water, but it's what makes those trees seem uh to grow better than they do in other in other parts of town, and they really do because they're getting water.

1:03:32

We have uh electric vehicle charging stations, and we uh we certainly work as we move through the the construction phase to deal with waste and to do that in an environmentally friendly way.

1:03:44

I'm happy to go through each building to spend a lot more time.

1:03:47

I could spend two hours on this if you'd like.

1:03:50

I suspect that's not the best thing for me to do.

1:03:52

So is there anything specific you'd like for me to cover?

1:03:56

I just have one uh quick question, actually, Mr.

1:03:58

Hume as well.

1:03:59

So one of the things that's come up is I know the the RFP talked about there would need to be a minimum 10,000 square foot grocery store.

1:04:06

There's been a few residents who've been concerned about sort of a smaller footprint.

1:04:10

I do want to point out it that it's minimum 10,000.

1:04:12

And from my perspective, that's better than saying a minimum of 20,000, because if you go minimum of 20,000, you're frankly then going to limit your options if you want a grocery store at that kind of size and magnitude, especially what a lot of grocers are frankly now doing these urban grocer uh models, sort of like what we have at the local here with Whole Foods and a lot of other models that are frankly integrated into an apartment complex like what you're uh talking about here.

1:04:35

My question though is that if you have a minimum of 10,000 right now, and let's say a a Trader Joe's or someone comes to that's my home grocery store at University and Rural.

1:04:45

I used to uh use the fries at Millenni Southern when I lived a little bit further south.

1:04:50

Now that I've been down here for about six years or so, roughly, that's my basic grocery store for pretty much everything.

1:04:55

But if someone came back to you and said, hey, we've got a Trader Joe's, but we're gonna need 15, 16,000 square feet.

1:05:00

Do you have room in this design to accommodate that if someone says, well, I need four or five thousand extra feet uh to actually put the grocer in that uh what would want to sign a lease.

1:05:09

They answered I'm gonna spend a little time commenting as well.

1:05:12

I also love Trader Joe's.

1:05:14

Uh not only do I love Trader Joe's, my dog depends on the Trader Joe's dog treats, which are uh of high quality chicken, by the way.

1:05:23

So look, the answer is yes.

1:05:25

If we could find a way to get a Trader Joe's in, we would do that.

1:05:28

And uh Mr.

1:05:29

Rutherford and I have been spending a lot of time trying to find the right grocery.

1:05:33

Grocery stores have changed a lot over time.

1:05:36

And they they they operate in very different ways.

1:05:39

We don't believe that 20,000 square foot is a model that fits very many grocery stores.

1:05:45

They're either much bigger, and frankly, the bigger stores also use that for a big component.

1:05:50

Um the big component that people use now is that they deliver groceries.

1:05:54

Not everyone grocery shops.

1:05:56

I think also grocery stores used to sell almost all of the items that you would have on a regular basis in your home.

1:06:03

But that isn't true.

1:06:04

I would bet every one of you, I certainly shop for lots of things on Amazon or Amazon competing sites, and a lot of the things that I would buy at the grocery store, you don't do anymore.

1:06:13

Like this is they the grocery stores don't need that kind of space, and they don't want that kind of space because frankly, they're not making money on it because people aren't buying those things there.

1:06:22

They the last thing they want to do is stock items that people aren't gonna buy from a grocery store.

1:06:27

Um we didn't pick the 10,000 square feet, the city did.

1:06:31

We agree with it.

1:06:32

And if we disagreed, the science is that that's where it is.

1:06:36

That that's if you want a smaller grocer, for example, a natural grocery is one of the stores we thought might be interested.

1:06:42

It doesn't seem like they are at this point in time, but that could change.

1:06:45

They're not looking for bigger stores, they're looking for stores that are that size or smaller.

1:06:49

They've they've figured it out, they've done really well.

1:06:51

And if you go to other urban environments, not South Tempe, not North Scottsdale, but if you go to other urban environments, which I think are more applicable to things like Light Rail and Apache, go to downtown San Diego or downtown New York or downtown almost anywhere, you'll see relatively small markets.

1:07:09

Those are the ones that seem to make it.

1:07:11

So we believe, along with your staff, that that's the right number.

1:07:15

If if somebody came to us with a special request and we thought we could make a grocery store work, we would be on the phone with Josh immediately to try to work through the details to make it work.

1:07:26

And Mr.

1:07:26

Tammy Levich, who oversees the department, has been involved.

1:07:29

Uh, would call Jeff immediately and he always gets back immediately and we would work to solve the problem.

1:07:36

Uh, I I don't think that that that's the case at the moment, but if somebody comes forward, you can be assured we're gonna work hard to solve it because we'd love to have a Trader Joe's for someone like that.

1:07:45

Sounds good.

1:07:46

No, I I appreciate that because I just know that that's one of the questions that I've gotten from folks a couple of times, but just wanted to make sure that we could get that on the record.

1:07:53

That obviously if a grocer comes in uh that's a reputable grocer, obviously has national and international name recognition, like a Trader Joe's or a natural grocer's, there would be the flexibility to accommodate that from a space standpoint.

1:08:04

So I appreciate you saying that.

1:08:06

Certainly always gonna matter on time, like it's hard after we build the building, but we're always willing to try to find a way, even if we had a building, we'd look to try to figure a way to modify it if we had the right tenant.

1:08:17

Okay.

1:08:17

Sounds good.

1:08:18

Thank you.

1:08:19

Uh anyone else, any questions for Mr.

1:08:21

Hillmantle?

1:08:22

Uh Council Bramberg.

1:08:24

Yes, thank you, Mr.

1:08:25

Mayor.

1:08:25

Um, Mr.

1:08:26

Human Tell, I'm just going to say thank you.

1:08:28

I mean, the fact that you're even looking for something to put in that space, and you haven't even built it yet.

1:08:34

We don't have the same thing going on with some of the other developers where these buildings have been inhabited for years and those commercial spaces are still sitting empty.

1:08:43

So uh thank you for that.

1:08:45

Thank you.

1:08:46

We live here and we're we're concerned about making it work uh efficiently and effectively, so we'll keep trying.

1:08:52

Thank you.

1:08:53

Uh Council Bradams?

1:08:54

Yes, I'd like to attention to detail and and the sustainable aspects of this project.

1:08:59

So thanks for uh putting in lots of trees and and all the other uh environmental improvements that you're doing on this project.

1:09:06

I think it's a great project.

1:09:07

And it's a great location with light rail.

1:09:10

Thank you.

1:09:10

Thank you.

1:09:11

Yeah.

1:09:12

Oh, uh Vice Mayor Garvel.

1:09:14

I just like you had mentioned something about um seniors that you're looking at putting seniors in.

1:09:18

Can you tell me a little bit more about that?

1:09:20

Yeah, so um as as we've proposed it, it's roughly 400 units of those units, 79 of those units are uh designed to be for seniors, 55 plus.

1:09:29

The best example of that uh from our perspective, and we're obviously biased is the Encore and Farmer, which is a project that we built and own.

1:09:36

And it's been again, we're incredibly biased, but it's been really effective.

1:09:41

It's been great.

1:09:42

Um, just a side story on that.

1:09:44

Uh people sometimes don't like the affordable piece of things.

1:09:49

Uh when we proposed that project, uh, which Mr.

1:09:52

Woods was on council, and I think that was your initial push on affordability, uh, people were really upset in the neighborhood.

1:10:00

In fact, the guy across the street came to council, spoke against it, and told the council how the affordable peace would ruin the neighborhood.

1:10:08

Um incidentally, uh, or not incidentally.

1:10:12

It's interestingly, we have an affordable product there and probably the only mixed income project in Tempe right next door.

1:10:20

About two years, maybe a year after it opened.

1:10:23

Um the neighbor, I ran into the neighbor in a restaurant, and I was with the person who's then the mayor, no disrespect to you, Mr.

1:10:32

Mayor, uh, who had presided over it, and one of the neighbor across the street who had opposed the project, um, came and apologized to me, didn't recognize Mr.

1:10:42

Holman, but apologized to me and said, you know, I was really opposed to this, and I was wrong.

1:10:47

And those neighbors that I thought would be awful, come over on Sundays and they use my grill and we eat together.

1:10:53

So I think that sometimes you find people who are afraid of affordability, but it's been our experience here in Tempe that they actually make the neighborhood much better.

1:11:03

And those are folks who are gonna live somewhere, and we're really proud that we can make it a great place where they can live and that they'll be really integrated into the neighborhood.

1:11:11

I didn't realize what that um property, that Encore property was going by it.

1:11:16

I never even got my image or my thought, it was it's beautiful.

1:11:20

So um I appreciate the fact we do you know, our largest population of people who are becoming homeless are seniors, so we really need to do whatever we can to step up taking care of them moving forward.

1:11:31

So I I would encourage anyone who has concern about senior affordable housing to walk into one of our buildings and talk to the residents, and they will tell you how it's changed their lives.

1:11:42

I appreciate it.

1:11:43

Thank you.

1:11:44

Thank you.

1:11:45

Thank you so much.

1:11:48

All right, this is also a public mayor.

1:11:52

You forgot me.

1:11:52

Oh, sorry, Calvin.

1:11:56

And you forgot me the whole time.

1:11:57

That's okay, but you actually scared all of us.

1:12:00

We're all having heart attacks right now because you just jumped in like that.

1:12:03

So I'll calm down and you can go.

1:12:05

Okay.

1:12:07

All right.

1:12:08

Sorry about that.

1:12:09

I I raised I raised my hand twice.

1:12:12

No, you didn't know.

1:12:13

I I hey, you were in the right, I was in the wrong.

1:12:16

I want that noted for the record.

1:12:17

She was correct, and I made a mistake.

1:12:20

Okay.

1:12:21

All right, Charles.

1:12:22

I I apologize.

1:12:23

I I know you were already out the door.

1:12:24

You were trying to get, you know, you had your running shoes on, and then I called you back.

1:12:28

I wanted to say right off the back, it was a great I'm excited for this project.

1:12:32

I I really like it.

1:12:34

My my question was my well, my statement is if you think about it, will you think about a sprouts there?

1:12:41

Because I love sprouts.

1:12:42

I know everybody likes Trader Joe, and don't tell anybody.

1:12:46

I hope that they're not nobody else has listened, but Sprouts is a really good grocery store too.

1:12:51

And um they they do they have they have good healthy foods, but it's also when you have mixed use, it's also on there, it's that has the same type of ingredients that Trader Joe has and Whole Foods, but it's uh on a more of a more less pricier side of it.

1:13:09

So I think that when we start looking at areas, we can look at that too.

1:13:12

So that's why we're happy to have conversations with them.

1:13:15

We've had some already, by the way.

1:13:16

I don't have my running shoes on.

1:13:18

I wish I did, they'd be more comfortable.

1:13:20

I'm not out the door.

1:13:21

I'm here at the podium, if you can see me.

1:13:23

Um, your staff has been working with sprouts uh and envisioned.

1:13:27

Oh my god, I'm so excited.

1:13:29

They are really on top of things, and so they they must know uh what you're interested in.

1:13:34

And so there are some possibilities.

1:13:35

They already have a spout sprout store that's fairly close.

1:13:38

Uh but we'll continue to work with your staff on that as a possibility as well.

1:13:42

We can have enough sprout stores around from me.

1:13:44

Um but thank you so much.

1:13:47

Uh, my question, I think I for the question I was gonna ask I'm pretty sure I forgot it.

1:13:51

Scaring the mayor, I think it scared the question out of me too.

1:13:56

All right, thank you guys.

1:13:57

I'm just glad it's you that scared the mayor instead of me.

1:14:00

I I was just gonna say Council Perhajant, I appreciated the point you made about sprouts, but that actually slandering Trader Joe's in the process.

1:14:06

So thank you.

1:14:06

No, don't tolerate it's no it's no slander.

1:14:10

I was just talking about you know, we get the same way we look at multi- you generate multi-uses for housing.

1:14:17

We look at multi-uses for grocery stores too.

1:14:20

Absolutely.

1:14:21

Them people is already a big enough city for both of them.

1:14:24

Thank you.

1:14:25

One thank you, Council Prahaj.

1:14:27

One quick question, Mr.

1:14:28

Hugh Mansle.

1:14:28

You mentioned um natural grocers before, and I'm very familiar with a couple of their stores.

1:14:33

Do you know what the approximate square footage is for their average store?

1:14:36

Yeah, their stores are significantly less than 10.

1:14:38

In fact, they usually use uh they look for old uh pharmacies, which are usually in the six to eight range.

1:14:47

Okay.

1:14:47

Some are as large as ten, but's good.

1:14:51

Thank you.

1:14:51

So I feel like this is Simon says.

1:14:53

Can I can I go back now or we're good.

1:14:57

Thank you.

1:14:58

Thank you.

1:15:00

All right.

1:15:01

This is a uh public hearing item as well.

1:15:04

And so I'm gonna open the floor up to public testimony.

1:15:06

And I've got two cards this evening, so I'm gonna read these in the order in which I receive them.

1:15:10

Uh, the first speaker of this evening is Charles Buss.

1:15:15

Please come forward, state your name and city of residence.

1:15:17

You have three minutes.

1:15:21

Hello, my name is Charles Buss.

1:15:23

Um, I have been a resident of the University Heights neighborhood for 38 years.

1:15:28

It's the neighborhood that's immediately adjacent to this project.

1:15:31

Um, I'm glad to see affordable housing.

1:15:34

I belong to community groups that advocate for that.

1:15:37

Um, and so I I'm I'm thrilled about the project in general.

1:15:42

I just have concerns about the market aspect of it.

1:15:45

I know Mayor Woods uh when we uh lost our beloved food city store five years ago, spoke to a news crew about it and said that the city was buying the property and was going to build affordable housing and a and a grocery store.

1:15:59

And so I'm just trying to make sure that that actually does happen.

1:16:02

And I'm very skeptical that it can happen in 10,000 square feet or less.

1:16:07

Uh just like the developer Mr.

1:16:09

Huel Mantle has been contacting grocers.

1:16:12

I have as well.

1:16:13

As a matter of fact, I think we've contacted some of the same grocers, like natural groceries.

1:16:18

And um I'm finding that the minimum square footage for um Trader Joe's starts at around 15,000, 17,000.

1:16:29

Um Aldi, which Aldi is very similar to the food city we had.

1:16:33

Aldi starts at 20,000.

1:16:36

And so that's just a a couple of the no better known names.

1:16:40

My concern is that if we get a name that's not known, that they won't have the buying power of a major grocery store, and this will turn into something more of a convenience store with very high prices, um, which nobody around there can afford.

1:16:59

My neighborhood's low income, as am I.

1:17:02

Uh, the residents who will be living there are all going to be low income, you know, hence the affordable housing.

1:17:08

And um I I feel like we need a grocer with a recognized name to be able to get the prices low enough that the residents around there can actually afford to buy the items.

1:17:18

Um council member Hodges mentioned sprouts.

1:17:22

Sprouts is nice, but I think the prices are kind of high.

1:17:26

Um my neighbor and I were just looking up sprouts.

1:17:29

They typically have a footprint that starts more around 20,000 square feet, unless there's some format I don't know of in which they can do in half that amount.

1:17:39

But um that that's the main thing is to actually have the groceries that are affordable and in enough space that you can offer a produce section, meats, you know, all your typical dry good items and whatever the number ends up being.

1:17:57

Um I also know that uh in speaking to Mr.

1:18:00

Huelmantle that um time is running out before he needs to submit his building plans.

1:18:08

And once those are submitted, it's gonna be very hard, if not impossible, to change the square footage of the market space.

1:18:16

And so I'm trying to get it to be closer to a 20,000 square foot space now in case that's needed.

1:18:23

Um, if not, I would also like to ask the council to consider um offering free free or greatly discounted rent to a small operator so they can keep the prices down.

1:18:34

Quick question, I know because uh your time's I was gonna ask do you have a list?

1:18:38

I know you say you've been calling grocers, and I know you and I have met offline about this.

1:18:42

Right.

1:18:42

Is there certain uh certain grocers that you're specifically looking for?

1:18:45

Because I I would just love to write down the names because obviously I know one of the things we talked about is if I'm able to help in some way too, whether it's me trying to contact some of those folks along with our staff, along with Mr.

1:18:55

Huel Mantle, I'm more than happy to assist with that.

1:18:58

So is there kind of a list that you're looking for?

1:18:59

Or um I focused on Aldi only because I currently shop there.

1:19:04

I have to travel two miles, whereas I used to have a 100-second walk from my house to the food city.

1:19:10

And and I see similarity in the size of the Aldi compared to the food city that was there.

1:19:14

It seemed to be the right size.

1:19:16

You know, there's only like six or seven aisles, but it's enough to get you all the items to make your own meals at home, which I think is gonna be important to the new residents there as well as the rest of us who are already there.

1:19:28

Um we don't eat out a lot, we don't have high incomes to do that.

1:19:32

Right.

1:19:32

Yeah, I just don't want to see it become like uh the carless cul-de-sac community.

1:19:37

Right.

1:19:37

But they gave an inadequate amount of space, and now they've got basically a high price convenience store.

1:19:43

Right, right.

1:19:43

Absolutely.

1:19:44

Yeah, okay.

1:19:45

Sounds good.

1:19:45

No, thank you.

1:19:46

I appreciate it.

1:19:46

All right, thanks.

1:19:48

Okay, the next speaker I have this evening is Stephen Cook.

1:19:52

Please come forward, state your name and city of residence.

1:19:54

You have three minutes.

1:20:00

Hello, I'm a resident of Tempe, a lifelong resident, and I live in the University Heights neighborhood as well.

1:20:03

For 13 years I've lived there.

1:20:05

I concur with everything Mr.

1:20:07

Buss said, and I was heartened to hear that you're willing to speak with him about the grocery store size because I'm very concerned about that.

1:20:13

We missed the food city and want something comparable.

1:20:16

And Sprouts is 23,000 square feet is the like the minimum size of a sprouts.

1:20:22

I wanted to go read a letter that my wife had written that she had sent to the council communicator after attending a July 2nd meeting because it hadn't been responded to.

1:20:32

So I'm just going to read it here for Baden.

1:20:34

She said on July 2nd, I attended the community meeting regarding this development held at the Tempe Police Department Apache Substation.

1:20:42

There I was briefly introduced to the developer Charles Hormontel and joined by my neighbors in voicing concerns about the project.

1:20:49

My primary concern is the increasing traffic in and around our neighborhood.

1:20:53

With each new high density development, we're seeing more vehicles using our streets, including Hall Street as cut throughs to avoid U-turns on Apache or access larger roads like McClintock University and Rural.

1:21:04

This traffic increases and raises serious safety concerns, especially for pedestrians and children.

1:21:11

As a parent of two boys, one of whom is developmentally and visually impaired.

1:21:15

I'm especially sensitive to the dangers of speeding vehicles in our small residential streets.

1:21:20

We've already experienced several close calls due to drivers rushing through our neighborhood.

1:21:24

I'm particularly troubled by the proposed entrance and exit to the development on Chief Jones Way, which would give direct access to Hall Street and encourage more cut through traffic.

1:21:33

I urge the developer to consider placing the entrance exit directly on Apache Boulevard instead to reduce impact on the neighborhood.

1:21:41

I raised this concern with Ms.

1:21:42

Hill, Mr.

1:21:43

Homanto during the meeting, but his response, like many others he gave, was dismissive and condescending.

1:21:49

He brushed off several community questions and even stated that he didn't feel obligated to answer them.

1:21:54

When I asked about the fire department's input, Mr.

1:21:56

Hormonto laughed and said, I've met with the fire department and suggested that the details of those conversations were not our business.

1:22:02

This kind of attitude is deeply disappointing and counterproductive to fostering community trust.

1:22:07

One of my neighborhood neighbors, a longtime resident and dedicated advocate for our historical area, was repeatedly interrupted and treated disrespectfully by Mr.

1:22:16

Hellmontel when he attempted to ask questions or provide information about the original development plans.

1:22:22

At one point, Mr.

1:22:23

Hormantel snapped at my neighbor, stating that he had already talked to him and he expected him to stop informing us further.

1:22:30

Mr.

1:22:30

Hallmantle's behavior throughout the meeting was inappropriate, unprofessional, and antagonistic.

1:22:36

My husband and I have lived on Hall Street for 13 years.

1:22:39

We were both raised in Tempe and are proud to be raising our children here.

1:22:42

It was disheartening to attend a meeting where a developer who stands to profit from building in our community showed such blatant disregard for our concerns, the concerns of the residents who have helped shape and sustain it.

1:22:53

We understand that growth is inevitable and often beneficial, but we also expect that that's just one more paragraph, but that's the gist of the letter.

1:23:02

I wanted to communicate that since my wife had said it and not received a reply from the council.

1:23:08

So thank you.

1:23:09

Thank you.

1:23:09

Appreciate it, Ms.

1:23:10

Cook.

1:23:11

That's all the cards I have on that item this evening.

1:23:14

Are there any other cards or anyone else wishing to speak on this item?

1:23:17

If so, please get my attention.

1:23:20

All right.

1:23:21

Seeing that I'll close the public testimony portion of the public hearing.

1:23:24

I'll look back to the council to see if there's any other comments or discussion.

1:23:30

Okay.

1:23:31

Okay, sounds good.

1:23:32

Well, just want to note the uh second and final public hearing on this item is scheduled for November 13th, 2025.

1:23:39

The next item under the section is 8B2, which is to introduce and hold the first public hearing to adopt an ordinance for an amended planned area development overlay for Rio 2100 residences located at 2132 South Cameron Way for a new six-story mixed-use development with 315 dwelling units on 4.61 acres.

1:23:58

The applicant is Barry Ridell, LLC.

1:24:01

Good evening, Sarah Sawyer.

1:24:03

How are you?

1:24:04

Good evening, Mayor, Council members.

1:24:06

Sarah Sawyer, Barry Ridd, 6750 East Camelback.

1:24:10

My pleasure to be here this evening on behalf of the Boyer Company to introduce you to Rio 2100 residences.

1:24:20

A little bit about uh my client, the Boyer Company.

1:24:23

They are a highly respected developer.

1:24:26

Uh decades of experience in residential development from master plan communities to multifamily developments.

1:24:33

As you can see here, this is an example of one of their projects located in Draper, Utah.

1:24:40

The site we are discussing this evening is an irregularly shaped parcel.

1:24:46

Approximately 4.6 acres located uh just along the loop 202 and loop 101 interchange.

1:24:54

To the west of the site is the Rio 2100 business park, and farther west is Tempe Marketplace.

1:25:02

Give you a little bit more context of where this site sits.

1:25:05

You can see our site outlined in green there.

1:25:09

Like I said, just west of our site is Tempe Marketplace.

1:25:13

Also lots of multifamily in this area as well.

1:25:16

Synergistic uses the Cameron to our west and Smith and Rio multifamily to our south across Rio Salado.

1:25:27

This site was previously entitled in 2023 for mixed use development.

1:25:32

It was zoned MU4 PAD.

1:25:36

And the general plan was amended at that time to mixed use high major development plan was also approved at that time for the mixed use development, but that has since expired.

1:25:49

Tonight we're requesting an amendment to the existing PAD on the site and a new major development plan review for a mixed use development with 315 multifamily units and public co-working space along Cameron Way.

1:26:07

This proposal is consistent with the general plan designation for the site.

1:26:12

Greater than 65 dwelling units an acre, reinforces Tempe marketplace as an activity hub.

1:26:18

And of course, it's very close to those employment retail restaurant uses that Tempi Marketplace offers and are developing in the meet immediate area.

1:26:30

Also consistent with the Apache Character Area Plan.

1:26:35

The one I really want to note here, and I'll talk about in greater detail below is that the public art component that's going to be incorporated into the design.

1:26:46

Just wanted to lay out the development standards for you and the difference between what is approved on this site today and what we are proposing.

1:26:55

So the reason we are amending the PAD is there's a new developer coming forward with this site.

1:27:14

We are at 68 dwelling units an acre.

1:27:17

That multi-level parking structure is oriented along the northeast edge adjacent to the loop 101202 interchange to offer some buffering to the residents.

1:27:27

And the uh public co-working space to be located at the southeast corner and the southwest corner of the site.

1:27:37

Centralized amenities as well.

1:27:40

The primary amenity is going to contain the resort style pool, cabanas, outdoor kitchen, and this is going to be found internal to the site in a in a courtyard.

1:27:51

The secondary amenity, I've heard there are some dog lovers on the council, so I wanted to include a picture of your furry friends here.

1:27:59

Uh dog park uh secondary amenity at the northeast corner of the site.

1:28:04

Mr.

1:28:05

Mayor.

1:28:06

Council Brads.

1:28:07

Thank you for taking care of our furry friends.

1:28:09

Appreciate it.

1:28:10

And there's a cute dog, and it looks like uh someone else's dog, I know, so very nice.

1:28:17

Uh here is a view of our proposed design.

1:28:20

Focal points are gonna be located at that leasing office at the southeast corner and the co-org space at the southwest corner along Cameron Way.

1:28:31

Some colors as well and materials.

1:28:36

And finally, the public art element.

1:28:39

Uh this is going to be visible.

1:28:41

This mural is going to be painted on the side of the garage, visible from the loop 2021 interchange.

1:28:47

Uh, this is a conceptual design.

1:28:49

We are going to be working through the specifics of this design through a minor DPR process with staff later on.

1:28:58

Did do some outreach as part of our application.

1:29:02

Uh, we have heard nothing from the community in response to our request.

1:29:09

And just uh mention uh DRC unanimously approved this item last week as well.

1:29:16

And with that, happy to answer any questions.

1:29:18

Anyone have to thank you so much.

1:29:19

Appreciate it.

1:29:20

Um, council, any comments or questions on this item?

1:29:23

Uh Vice Mayor Girl.

1:29:25

I didn't uh get a chance to ask um the last presenter about this, but I'll ask you.

1:29:30

So we do have a voluntary uh green code with the city of Tempe.

1:29:34

So I didn't see anything in the paperwork and stuff that you gave me that would be easy for me to be able to tell what you guys were able to do to it's not mandatory, voluntary.

1:29:43

Um, but it'd be great when you come back next time if you can kind of give us a list of some of those things that that um you could have worked with or are working with to look at our green code, we'd really appreciate it.

1:29:55

Thank you, Mayor.

1:29:56

Thank you, Vice Mayor.

1:29:56

Absolutely.

1:29:57

I will come back with that next week.

1:29:58

Thank you.

1:30:00

Uh Council Perhaj, then council member Adams.

1:30:04

Thank you, Mayor.

1:30:05

Um, great presentation.

1:30:07

Thank you so much.

1:30:07

You did a wonderful job.

1:30:08

We're so used to seeing Wendy up there.

1:30:10

I gotta give her a call and tell her you did a phenomenal job in her place.

1:30:14

Um, my question is um I maybe I missed it, but is what is the mix?

1:30:20

Is it mixed?

1:30:20

Is it affordable?

1:30:22

Um workforce and mix together because part of my computer went down.

1:30:26

I couldn't hear the volume.

1:30:29

Um about five minutes of it.

1:30:32

Thank you, Mayor, Councilmember Hodge.

1:30:34

The mix is a mix of residential and commercial uses.

1:30:37

So offering multi-family.

1:30:39

Yeah, offering multifamily units and then that public co-working space.

1:30:45

Okay.

1:30:46

That's all right.

1:30:47

That's that was part of my question.

1:30:49

All right, thank you.

1:30:50

Sounds good.

1:30:51

Thank you, but Councilmember Adams?

1:30:53

Yes, you did a great job.

1:30:54

Great presentation.

1:30:55

Uh I I also will be calling Wendy to tell her.

1:30:59

You know what a good job you did.

1:31:00

If we could just maybe have a few more trees around the project, um, that would be one request I would have.

1:31:05

Um, just to make more shady and and more walkable.

1:31:09

So that's my my only request.

1:31:11

Thank you very much.

1:31:12

Good job.

1:31:13

Okay.

1:31:14

And just as a note, just to follow up on what Council Per Hodge asked, uh, these are market rate units, correct?

1:31:19

That mayor, council members, uh, thank you.

1:31:23

That is, I think it's too early to determine right now, but let me confirm with my client and have have an answer for you next week.

1:31:29

Sure, you got it.

1:31:29

Absolutely.

1:31:30

Thank you.

1:31:31

Anyone else, any other comments or questions?

1:31:34

All right, sounds good.

1:31:35

Thank you so much.

1:31:36

Really appreciate it.

1:31:38

All right, this is also a public hearing item.

1:31:41

So I'm gonna open up the public testimony portion.

1:31:43

Is there any in the audience wishing to address the council on item 8b2?

1:31:47

If so, please get my attention.

1:31:50

All right, seeing that I'll close the public testimony portion of the public hearing.

1:31:53

Council members, any last comments or discussion?

1:31:56

All right, hearing none, the second and final public hearing on this item is scheduled for November 13th, 2025.

1:32:02

The next item under the section is 8B3, which is to introduce and hold the first public hearing to adopt an ordinance for amendments on full photovoltaic use consisting of changes in the zoning and development code on the on the allowance of photovoltaic systems with the addition of a new section 4-408 with photovoltaic standards and definitions.

1:32:21

How many times was I gonna say photovoltaic?

1:32:23

Anyway, the applicant is the city of Tempe, so it's us.

1:32:26

Um council, any questions for staff regarding this item?

1:32:31

I have a presentation there.

1:32:32

You have a real we get to Council McKinney's presentation.

1:32:36

Let's do uh a public uh hearing item.

1:32:38

Is everyone in the audience wishing to address the council on item 8b3?

1:32:42

If so, please get my attention.

1:32:44

All right, seeing that I'll close the public testimony portion of the public hearing.

1:32:48

Council members, any comments or discussion?

1:32:51

All right, hearing none, the second and final public hearing on this item is scheduled for December 11th, 2025.

1:32:56

The next item under the section is 8B4, which is to introduce an old first public hearing to adopt an ordinance authorizing the partial abandonment of an eight-foot public utility easement located in a subdivision west of McClintock Drive and north of Warner Road for 8423 South Los Felice Drive.

1:33:14

This is also a public hearing item.

1:33:16

So if there's any public testimony, can you please get my attention now?

1:33:20

Seeing none, I'll close the public testimony portion of the public hearing.

1:33:23

Council members any comments or discussion.

1:33:27

Seeing none, the second and final public hearing on this item is scheduled for December 11th, 2025.

1:33:33

The next item under the section is 8v5, which is to introduce and hold the first public hearing to adopt an ordinance authorizing the granting of a power distribution easement to Salt River Project Agricultural Improvement and Power District over certain city owned land identified by Maricopa County Assessors Parcel number 132-35-985 and authorizing the mayor or his designee to execute an easement agreement and related documents.

1:33:58

This is also a public hearing item.

1:33:59

So if there's any public testimony on this item, please get my attention now.

1:34:04

Seeing none, I'll close the public testimony portion of the public hearing.

1:34:07

Council members any comments or discussion.

1:34:10

Okay, seeing none, the second and final public hearing on this item is scheduled for December 11th, 2025.

1:34:17

The last item under the section is 8v6, which is to introduce and hold the first public hearing to adopt an ordinance authorizing the city manager or designee to negotiate and execute a lease agreement or lease agreements with Dorsey Development Partners LLC to facilitate the redevelopment of three parcels on of city owned property located near the intersection of Apache Boulevard and Dorsey Lane, pursuant to a development agreement between the parties.

1:34:41

Council members, any comments for or questions for staff on this item.

1:34:47

Seeing that okay, uh, this is also a public hearing item.

1:34:50

So if there's any public testimony of this item, can you please get my attention at this time?

1:34:56

Seeing that I'll close the public testimony portion of the public hearing.

1:35:00

Council members, any final comments?

1:35:01

Discussion.

1:35:03

All right, seeing none, the second and final public hearing on this item is scheduled for November 13th, 2025.

1:35:09

The last section of the non-consent agenda is ordinances and items scheduled for second hearing and final adoption.

1:35:15

So votes on these items will be taken tonight.

1:35:18

The first item under the section is 8C1, which is to hold the second and final public hearing to adopt an ordinance for a co-text amendment within the Tempe zoning and development code, adding chapter 8 under part 5, establishing the middle housing overlay district.

1:35:31

The amendment intends to comply with Arizona revised statute 9 462.13.

1:35:38

The applicant is the city of Tempe.

1:35:40

Council members, any questions for staff on this item.

1:35:44

All right.

1:35:45

This is also though a public hearing item.

1:35:48

So I do have one comment card that I received in advance.

1:35:51

Uh, and that comment card is from Robert Nichols.

1:35:57

Oh.

1:35:58

Yes, hi.

1:35:59

Please state your name and city of residence.

1:36:00

You have three minutes.

1:36:02

My name is Bobby Nichols.

1:36:04

I am a Tempe resident of 25 years.

1:36:06

Mayor and Council, thank you for your time.

1:36:08

Today I'm speaking in support of the middle housing ordinance before the council today.

1:36:12

Tempe is in the middle of a housing crisis.

1:36:14

Our rents and mortgages are about 40% higher than the national average.

1:36:18

That's about 25% higher than Phoenix and 18% higher than Mesa.

1:36:22

Our city, as has been noted in this meeting, needs many thousands of new units of genuinely affordable, meaning submarket rate or significantly subsidized housing in order to provide dignified shelter to the growing workforce that is projected to call Tempe home within the next decade.

1:36:37

Finally, and perhaps selfishly, I and many other young professionals from Tempe would like to be able to buy and own homes in our hometown someday, which is virtually impossible in our current housing market.

1:36:49

This ordinance, while not the ultimate solution to our housing crisis, is a step in the right direction.

1:36:54

And I sincerely hope that the passage of this ordinance leads to a cultural change in the way we approach land development and housing justice in Tempe.

1:37:02

I believe in order to eliminate housing insecurity for all of Tempe's residents, we must implement the historically successful housing first policy to address our crisis of homelessness.

1:37:12

That requires a significantly larger amount of housing units than were currently available to us.

1:37:17

I also believe that the city of Tempe should be using public land to build public housing, which could then be rented to our incoming workforce at submarket rates or used as permanent supportive housing for the implementation of our own version of the housing first policy.

1:37:30

Thoughtful middle housing and multifamily developments when placed near public transit hubs built by union trade workers in full compliance with green codes and conceived with walkability, mixed income levels, and mixed use spaces in mind.

1:37:43

Represent a positive use of horizontal density that can be offered to workers at reasonable prices and do not statistically diminish single family property values in any verifiable way.

1:37:54

I have spoken about Tempe's proposed middle housing ordinance with the authors of Arizona state law that mandates the establishment of a middle housing overlay in cities like Tempe.

1:38:04

And I have confirmed that the city of Tempe is in no way limited to one zoning overlay around a pre-existing downtown area.

1:38:11

The language of our state's middle housing law empowers Tempe to thoughtfully place middle housing and multifamily overlays across the city in places of greatest need.

1:38:21

And I hope that the passage of this ordinance will lead to an expansion of affordable and accessible housing throughout Tempe.

1:38:30

Thank you.

1:38:31

Appreciate it.

1:38:32

All right, this is also still a public hearing item.

1:38:35

So if there's any additional public testimony, anyone wishing to speak, please get my attention now.

1:38:41

All right, seeing that I'll close the public testimony portion of the public hearing.

1:38:45

Council members, any comments or discussion?

1:38:47

It's been moved by Vice Mayor Garland.

1:38:49

Do I have a second?

1:38:50

Seconded by Council Member Adams.

1:38:52

Please vote.

1:38:57

And Councilmember Hodge.

1:39:03

And that vote passes seven to zero.

1:39:08

The next item under the section is 8C2, which is to hold the second and final public hearing for an ordinance for a co-text amendment for municipal administrative review, consisting of changes within the zoning and development code in compliance with House Bill 2447 and Arizona revised statute 9-500.49, changing certain duties and powers of the development review commission and city council, and designated the community development director and its designee to administratively review and approve all forms of site plans, design review of all new buildings and alterations, and all forms of subdivision and condominium plates.

1:39:45

Council members, any comments for staff on the side of our questions.

1:39:50

All right, this is also a public hearing item.

1:39:52

So if there's any public testimony on this item, please get my attention at this time.

1:39:57

Seeing that I'll close the public testimony portion of the public hearing.

1:40:01

Um council, uh any further comments or discussion, or I can entertain a motion.

1:40:05

So move.

1:40:05

Uh it's been moved by Vice Mayor Garland and seconded by Councilmember Keating.

1:40:09

Please vote.

1:40:13

And that item passes 7 to 0.

1:40:16

The next item under the section is 8C3, which is to hold the second and final public hearing to adopt an ordinance for a city code text amendment for municipal administrative review, consisting of changes within the Tempe City Code, sections 25-43 and 25-44 in compliance with House Bill 2447 and Arizona revised statute 9-500.49.

1:40:38

This item is related to the zoning and development code amendments from HB 2447.

1:40:43

Council members, any comments or questions for staff on this item.

1:40:48

All right, hearing none.

1:40:49

This is also a public hearing item.

1:40:50

So if anyone wishes to address the council, uh please get my attention at this time.

1:40:55

Seeing none, I'll close the public testimony portion of the public hearing.

1:40:59

Uh let's see.

1:41:00

Council, any further comments or discussion, or can I have a motion?

1:41:03

So move.

1:41:04

So move.

1:41:04

Moved by council member Keating and seconded by Councilmember Hodge, please vote.

1:41:10

That item passes seven to zero.

1:41:13

The next item under the section is 8C4, which is to hold the second and final public hearing to adopt an ordinance, amending the Tempe City Code, Chapter 2, Article 5, Division 20 relating to Tempe Veterans Commission by amending Section 2-367 regarding powers and duties to add an additional benchmark to assist the city and the Tempe business community to earn recognition as Arizona Veterans Supportive Employers.

1:41:36

This is also a public hearing item.

1:41:38

So if there's any public testimony, can you please get my attention?

1:41:43

Seeing that I'll close the public testimony portion of the public hearing.

1:41:46

Council members, any comments or discussion?

1:41:48

Motion to approve.

1:41:49

It's been moved by council member Adams.

1:41:50

So I have a second second by Councilmember Amberg, please vote.

1:41:56

And that item passes 7 to 0.

1:41:59

The next item under the section is 8C5, which is to hold the second and final public hearing to adopt an ordinance amending chapter 19, Article 8 of the Tempe City Code related to parking and electric vehicle charging spaces by amending section 19-101 relating to the length of time using a charging space space.

1:42:20

Sure.

1:42:21

Sure.

1:42:23

All right then.

1:42:24

This is also a public hearing item.

1:42:26

So uh if there's any public testimony, can you please get my attention at this time?

1:42:31

All right, seeing that I'll close the public testimony portion of the public hearing.

1:42:35

Um council, any comments or discussion?

1:42:38

So move.

1:42:39

It's been moved by councilmember Hodge and seconded by Vice Mayor Garland.

1:42:44

Please vote.

1:42:48

And that most motion about uh electric vehicle charging spaces uh passes seven to zero.

1:42:55

The next item under the section is eight C six, which is to hold the second and final public hearing to adopt an ordinance authorizing the partial abandonment of an alley and utility easement on the west side of priest drive and the north side of third street.

1:43:08

This is a public hearing item.

1:43:10

So if anyone wants to speak on this item, please get my attention now.

1:43:15

Seeing that I'll close the public testimony portion of the public hearing.

1:43:19

Council members, any comments or discussion?

1:43:20

Motion to approve.

1:43:21

Move by council member Adams who have a second.

1:43:24

Seconded by Vice Mayor Garland, please vote.

1:43:28

That item passes seven to zero.

1:43:31

The next item under the section is 8C7, which is to hold the second and final public hearing to adopt an ordinance authorizing the granting of a power distribution easement to Salt River Project Agricultural Improvement and Power District over certain city-owned land located at 925 South Smith Road and authorizing the mayor or his designee to execute an easement agreement and related documents.

1:43:51

This is a public hearing item.

1:43:53

So if anyone wishes to address the council on this item, please get my attention.

1:43:58

Seeing that I'll close the public testimony portion of the public hearing.

1:44:02

Council members, any comments or discussion.

1:44:06

If not, I'll look for a motion on item 8C7.

1:44:09

Then move by Councilmember Keating, seconded by Councilmember Chin, please vote.

1:44:14

And that item passes 7 to 0.

1:44:16

The last item under the section is 8C8, which is to hold the second and final public hearing to adopt an ordinance authorizing the granting of a power distribution easement to Salt River Project Agricultural Improvement and Power District over certain city-owned land located at 1411 East McKellups Road and authorizing the mayor or his designee to execute an easement agreement and related documents.

1:44:37

This is a public hearing item as well.

1:44:39

So if anyone wishes to address the council, please get my attention at this time.

1:44:44

Seeing that I'll close the public testimony portion of the public hearing.

1:44:47

Council members, any comments or discussion?

1:44:49

Some move.

1:44:50

It's been moved by councilmember Hodge, seconded by council member Adams.

1:44:54

Please vote.

1:44:55

And that item passes seven to zero, which brings me to item nine, current events, council announcements, and future agenda items.

1:45:00

Which brings me to item nine current events, council announcements, and future agenda items.

1:45:04

Just as a note here, council members may request that an agenda item be added to a future council meeting during their allotted time, but in accordance with the open meeting law.

1:45:11

There should be no discussion on the item other than to clarify the request.

1:45:15

This evening, uh, I'm gonna start here with council member Adams.

1:45:20

Thank you, Mr.

1:45:21

Mayor.

1:45:22

First of all, I'd like to thank Chief McCoy, Chief Reese, and all of our incredible officers and support team for their dedication and tireless work to keep our community safe.

1:45:33

Safety is number one priority for me, and they are delivering it.

1:45:37

Your commitment to proactive policing, community partnerships, and innovative crime prevention strategies continues to make Tempe a leader in public safety.

1:45:48

Second Sundays, second, Sundays on Mill are coming back this November, January, February, and April from 10 a.m.

1:45:56

to 10 p.m.

1:45:57

There's gonna be lots of interactive and uh activities, snacks, and drinks, plus fun for all ages.

1:46:04

It will be between third street and university, and um they're even gonna have a kids' market so kids can come and sell their uh their goods, and the best part is it's free.

1:46:15

The second best part, or well, the first part is family friendly, the second part it's free, and the third is dog friendly.

1:46:22

So there you go, three for three.

1:46:24

Um, Valley Metro.

1:46:26

Um, this past year, Valley Metro made some progress in improving safety and service for riders across the valley.

1:46:34

Ridership grew 4%, delivering over 120,000 people per day.

1:46:39

On the safety front, but bus operator assaults dropped 61%, and rail security incidents decreased by 54%.

1:46:49

We're really taking a strong effort to make it safer to ride our public transportation.

1:46:54

Um, when we have uh a lot more officers present on the um the rail.

1:47:00

In addition to operation blue bike, continue to connect riders in need with local services.

1:47:06

I am proud of the progress we're making together to keep our community connected, safe, and moving forward in a sustainable direction.

1:47:14

Thank you.

1:47:14

That is my all my announcements.

1:47:16

Thank you very much.

1:47:17

Appreciate it.

1:47:18

Next up, Councilmember Chin.

1:47:20

No announcement, thank you so much.

1:47:22

Next up, Councilmember Hodge.

1:47:27

Thank you so much.

1:47:28

I want to start off by wishing my dad a very, very happy birthday, Daddy.

1:47:33

I love you so much.

1:47:34

It's great that you're turning 35, and I'm only turning 21 in my next birthday.

1:47:40

Also, happy veterans day to my dad.

1:47:43

You kick the heat flip the sage before I can say a happy birthday, uh, happy veterans day to my dad.

1:47:49

Dad, and to every veteran out there, happy veterans day.

1:47:53

I know, council member um garlet that your dad is going on has passed on to heaven, but you can wish him a very happy Veterans Day from the heaven and everybody else on council.

1:48:06

I know we all have somebody, a friend or family in there.

1:48:09

We wish we all wish each other happy Veterans Day and all the veterans out there.

1:48:15

Now you can click to the next one.

1:48:17

And you know I'm excited about this one.

1:48:18

This is our Thrive and Tempe.

1:48:20

It is up and running.

1:48:21

I know a few people heard that it had some glitches in there that's all been taken care of.

1:48:26

Please go out and give um put this out there in businesses.

1:48:33

When you're talking to businesses, make sure that they know about Thrive and Tempe and reach back out and send them to the website because we want as much business as the Tempe to know about as possible.

1:48:44

Um, is the and if you haven't, please go look at the website.

1:48:47

The website is phenomenal.

1:48:48

They're doing a great job.

1:48:49

If there is some feedback you would like to give us, please please please write in and tell us what we're missing in that.

1:48:55

So I just want to thank you on that, and I wish everybody a happy Veterans Day again for even the people who are not um veterans.

1:49:04

Happy Veterans Day.

1:49:06

Thank you, Councilmember Hodge.

1:49:08

Next up, Councilmember Amber.

1:49:11

Yes, thank you, Mr.

1:49:12

Mayor.

1:49:12

Um, I want to wish my handsome hubby.

1:49:15

There's lots of pictures here.

1:49:16

Uh happy birthday.

1:49:17

His birthday is tomorrow, and um, we're gonna be celebrating at the end of this month, a little trip overseas for him.

1:49:25

It's a big one for him.

1:49:26

So he's he's super excited, and I'm excited with him.

1:49:30

He's letting me go too.

1:49:32

Um I like um a few of the other folks up here.

1:49:36

My dad was a uh frontline medic for in the army uh during World War II uh stationed in the the Pacific.

1:49:43

So Veterans Day parade is always a big one for me.

1:49:47

It's a little emotional, uh, but I'm hoping to see everybody out there.

1:49:50

We've been doing it for over 50 years uh to honor all of our veterans to thank them for their service.

1:49:55

I'm gonna be up there with the rest of the council that's up here.

1:50:00

Uh there's gonna be some super cute kids.

1:50:00

The Girl Scouts and Boy Scouts are always there, some local marching bands, some veteran groups, a lot more.

1:50:07

It's gonna be on Tuesday, November the 11th at 10 a.m.

1:50:10

We usually start, we start at ASU Gamage and we go north on Mill and we end up at Tempe Beach Park.

1:50:16

So hope to see everybody there.

1:50:19

Thank you so much.

1:50:20

Next up, Vice Mayor Garwood.

1:50:23

Thank you.

1:50:24

Umpe, uh, we need your help.

1:50:27

Um, right now, more than ever.

1:50:29

Storm damage um impacted more than a thousand homes and 80 businesses in Tempe.

1:50:35

And the damages are costly, and more than a hundred households are staying, household members are staying in temporary homes right now.

1:50:42

Snap reductions have left many without food funds for food, even when they are working one or more jobs.

1:50:49

And many of those impacted our kids.

1:50:52

The federal shutdown has left many working in Tempe residents without a paycheck for several weeks.

1:50:59

And this is impacting our residents and our nonprofits.

1:51:03

There's never been a time when we've seen a greater need.

1:51:08

Okay, so there's my Debbie Downer notes, but they're true.

1:51:11

Let me tell you what you can do about it.

1:51:13

You can help our fellow residents and businesses.

1:51:16

If you go to Tempe.gov forward slash Tempe Needs You.

1:51:21

You can donate money or find out how you can donate food or even time to help.

1:51:26

And if someone you know needs help, there's a link also on that same page to find resources and do they can be able, they can help you.

1:51:35

And I strongly encourage everyone to think about our residents and think about that.

1:51:40

This is the time that people need help right now, and we need to be there for them.

1:51:44

So again, if you can help, if you can donate, or if you need help, please go to tempe.gov forward slash tempe needs you.

1:51:52

Thank you.

1:51:54

Thank you.

1:51:55

Next up, Council Burkey.

1:51:57

Thank you very much, Mayor.

1:51:59

Um, I have round table with Randy.

1:52:01

I think we're calling it, wasn't it spill the tea with it?

1:52:06

Um, I'm having a uh I'm having a town hall at um drink me tea room on Tuesday, December 2nd.

1:52:12

Um, bring any questions you have about the city.

1:52:14

I'll fill in on things I'm working on, some highlights from the city if you have any constituent services needs.

1:52:20

That's kind of my favorite part of the job.

1:52:21

So if you have any issues that you need help with the city, uh please bring them to me on December 2nd.

1:52:26

It's a Tuesday, and hopefully we can get them solved for you.

1:52:29

Next up is Tempe Jam.

1:52:31

Tempe Jam is this Saturday from 6 to 10, and that's at Tempe Sports Complex.

1:52:37

Uh, I'm actually organizing it for the Diablo, so it's incredibly stressful week for me, but I will be there.

1:52:43

Um, the all the bar proceeds go directly to benefit the Tempe Diabos, which do so much good work in our community.

1:52:50

So do make sure you come to the Tempe Jam this Saturday and spend lots of money on either uh water, soda, beer, or wine, because we'll have it all.

1:52:58

And it should be a really fun show.

1:52:59

And I hear there's a drone show as well.

1:53:01

It's gonna be awesome.

1:53:02

So I'm really excited for that.

1:53:03

Thank you, Mayor.

1:53:04

Thank you so much.

1:53:05

Ms.

1:53:06

Mr.

1:53:06

Mayor.

1:53:07

Yes, Council Baraj.

1:53:08

Before we go, can I say one more announcement?

1:53:11

Sure.

1:53:12

I would like to wish the Kaiween School District and the Tempe Union, I mean Tempe Union, I'm so sorry.

1:53:17

Tempe Elementary School District, a congratulations on their bond that they both passed this this fouling Tuesday.

1:53:25

Um, you know, that that just shows the love and the worth of what our community, the city of Tempe's community, means when it comes to our education for our children because there's many communities today are looking to see what their next steps are because their bonds did not pass.

1:53:45

So I just want to say congratulations and thank you.

1:53:48

Thank you to our Tempe constituents for passing that bond.

1:53:52

Thank you, Council Brah.

1:53:54

Um just uh one quick announcement on my end.

1:53:58

I just wanted to uh make sure to note and acknowledge the passing of Dennis Cahill, uh a longtime member of our community and a man who served for three terms on the city council.

1:54:08

Uh as many of you know, the West Side Multi-Generational Center over on Fifth Street has a wing of the building that's actually dedicated to Dennis Cahill for the exceptional work he did on the city council.

1:54:18

Uh, he was a proud union member and a great man, and I was very honored to have the opportunity to get to know him uh during the time that he was living in Tempe uh and during the time that I was first beginning to get more engaged civically.

1:54:30

So just while I wanted to send my hearts out, my prayers out to the family and friends of Dennis Cahill.

1:54:35

Just wanted to thank him very much for his service to our community.

1:54:38

So thank you.

1:54:39

Yes, Council Brabbit.

1:54:40

Yes, I had the pleasure of uh working for Dennis uh Cahill and my condolences go out to his family.

1:54:46

He was always so nice to staff.

1:54:49

Uh, and I just want to point that out.

1:54:51

He was just a great guy and just always smiling and uh very kind council member to our staff.

1:54:57

Thank you.

1:54:58

Thank you.

1:54:59

Mr.

1:55:00

Mr.

1:55:00

Mayor, can we give him a th just a quick few seconds uh pause before we get off our meeting?

1:55:06

Sure, absolutely.

1:55:08

Yeah, absolutely.

1:55:08

No, if we can just take a very uh quick moment of silence here in honor of Dennis Cahill uh and his service and his legacy to the city of Tempe.

1:55:30

Thank you.

1:55:33

Thank you.

1:55:34

All right.

1:55:35

Item number 10, public appearances.

1:55:37

Is there anyone in the audience who would like to address the city council?

1:55:40

If so, please get my attention.

1:55:43

All right, seeing none, the next item is item number eleven, adjournment.

1:55:48

The next scheduled regular city council meeting is November 13th, 2025.

1:55:52

We are adjourned at 746 p.m.

1:55:55

Have a good night.

1:56:47

Um I have uh with uh

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Summary of Proceedings

Tempe City Council Regular Meeting - November 6, 2025

The Tempe City Council convened for its regular meeting to address a variety of routine administrative items, public safety reports, and significant zoning and development proposals. The meeting featured a declaration of Native American Heritage Month, a City Manager's report on a 21% reduction in violent crime, and extensive public testimony regarding the rezoning of the Shalomar Golf Course, the cancellation of surveillance contracts, and environmental ordinances. The council unanimously approved the consent agenda, numerous fee adjustments, and key housing legislation.

Consent Calendar

  • Approved Board, Commission, and Committee meeting minutes (Items 4B1–4B9) passing 7-0.
  • Approved minor bids, contracts, and resolutions for water, wastewater, solid waste services, and professional services contracts (Items 7A1–7B4, 7C1–7C4) passing 7-0.
  • Accepted appointments to the Desert Conservation Commission and Rio Salado Enhanced Services Commission.

Public Comments & Testimony

  • Preservation of Green Space: Eric Johnston, Diane Melrose, Trudy Musigman, Elba Contero, Rob Kaplan, and Loretta O'Conner expressed strong opposition to the rezoning of the Shalomar Golf Course. They argued that the property provides essential social capital, a 60-year-old ecosystem, and neighborhood character, stating that high-density development would destroy the area and reduce property values without solving affordable housing issues.
  • Police Surveillance Privacy: Robert Nichols and Tanya Pallat Hussein expressed concern for resident privacy and safety regarding the Flock Safety contract. They argued the technology poses privacy risks due to third-party data access and potential DHS/ICE backdoors, and they called for the immediate cancellation of the contract, citing fear among the immigrant community.
  • Housing Supply and Affordability: David Sokolowski stated that Tempe has a severe housing shortage and must triple construction rates to meet General Plan goals, arguing the city is currently restricting supply to the detriment of the economy.
  • Environmental Garden Codes: Diane Melrose urged the city to update ordinances to support pollinator habitats in residential yards, characterizing current code enforcement as subjective and destructive to sustainability efforts.
  • Shalomar Traffic and Density: Charles Buss and Stephen Cook voiced concerns regarding the Dorsey Station development, specifically the adequacy of grocery store square footage (arguing 10,000 sq ft is insufficient for major grocers like Aldi or Sprouts) and fears of increased traffic on Hall Street.
  • Support for Middle Housing: Robert Nichols expressed full support for the middle housing overlay ordinance (Item 8C1), stating it is a necessary step to address the housing crisis and improve housing justice.

Discussion Items

  • Native American Heritage Month: Mayor Cory Woods declared November 2025 as Native American Heritage Month, acknowledging the Hohokam and Akamo, Atham, and Peaposh nations and the city's commitment to indigenous voices.
  • Public Safety Report: City Manager reported that violent crimes in Tempe decreased by 21% in the first six months of 2025, attributing the success to real-time operations, special operations, and resource realignment under Chief McCoy and Chief Reese.
  • Dorsey Station Development: Applicants Charles Huelmantle and Marshall presented a proposed mixed-use development at 1320 East Apache Boulevard and 1412 South Dorsey Lane. The developer confirmed 90% of the 400 units will be affordable, including 79 senior units (55+). Regarding the grocery store, they defended the 10,000 sq ft minimum as standard for modern urban models, though they expressed willingness to negotiate space for specific tenants like Trader Joe's or Sprouts if viable.
  • Rio 2100 Residences: Applicant Sarah Sawyer introduced a mixed-use project for 315 units near the Loop 202/101 interchange, featuring public co-working space and a public art mural. The council requested information on the Voluntary Green Code and the mix of affordable vs. market-rate units.
  • Zoning and Code Amendments: The council discussed and moved forward with several ordinance items, including amendments for photovoltaic standards, utility easements, and the adoption of a Municipal Administrative Review process to comply with HB 2447.

Key Outcomes

  • Consent Agenda: Passed unanimously 7-0.
  • Fee Modifications: Passed unanimously 7-0 for water services (Item 8A1), wastewater services (Item 8A2), and solid waste services (Item 8A3).
  • Contracts: Passed unanimously 7-0 for the purchase of solid waste vehicles via Phoenix contract (Item 8A4) and professional services for collection system assessment (Item 8A5).
  • Middle Housing Ordinance (Item 8C1): Passed unanimously 7-0, establishing a middle housing overlay district to comply with state law.
  • Administrative Review (Items 8C2, 8C3): Passed unanimously 7-0 to amend municipal administrative review duties in compliance with HB 2447.
  • Veterans Commission (Item 8C4): Passed unanimously 7-0 to update powers and duties to include a Veterans Supportive Employers benchmark.
  • EVR Charging/Easements (Items 8C5–8C8): Passed unanimously 7-0 for EV charging time limits and multiple easements for Salt River Project.
  • Public Hearings Scheduled:
    • Dorsey Station (Item 8B1): Second hearing and vote scheduled for November 13, 2025.
    • Rio 2100 Residences (Item 8B2): Second hearing and vote scheduled for November 13, 2025.
    • Photovoltaic, Easement Abandonment, and Easement Grant (Items 8B3–8B4, 8B5, 8B8): Second hearing and vote scheduled for December 11, 2025.
  • Adjournment: Meeting adjourned at 7:46 p.m.

Meeting Transcript

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