Good evening, everyone.

Welcome to the Development Review Commission.

I am Andrew Johnson.

Today is September 9th, 2025.

The development review commission is created to hold public meetings and hearings to provide analysis and recommendations to the city council regarding general land use policies and applications where the commission has a recommendatory power and to render final decisions on specified applications where the commission has final decision making power, including but not limited to all aspects of proposed and future development.

The development review commission recognizes that the creation of a desirable environment throughout the city for residents, business, and industry is a prime requisite for the independence of land values, aesthetics, and good site planning by promoting harmonious, safe, attractive, and compatible development that is therefore considered to be in the best interest of public health, safety, and general welfare.

Any person agreed by a final decision of the development review commission may file an appeal to the city council within 14 calendar days after the development review commission has rendered its decision.

Development review commission recommendations to city council are not final decisions.

Tonight with us on the commission, um, on my far right, we have Commissioner Stefan Richter and Commissioner Charles Redman.

On my far left, we have Commissioner Joe Forte, Commissioner Linda Spears, and Commissioner Barbara Lloyd.

With us tonight from staff, we have Jeff Tamolevich, Ryan Levake, Michelle Dalki, Jacob Payne, Zachary Lichner, Karen Stovall, Chris Jasper, Lucas Jensen, Joanna Barry, and Jason Wolfe.

For any of those in the uh public wishing to speak on an item tonight, please fill out one of these forms and bring it up to Joanna Barry.

You'll be given up to three minutes to speak.

Staff will be monitoring that time.

Also, please note that anyone watching via web chat uh WebEx, the chat box is not monitored or moderated.

Okay, so we will we reviewed our uh regular agenda in our study session and developed a consent agenda.

First, though, we will go to our item number two uh before I read that consent agenda, which is the consideration of meeting minutes uh from the development review commission study session and regular meeting of August 8th, 2025.

Could I get a motion for the approval of those items?

Commissioner Spears?

Some moved.

It's been moved by Commissioner Spears.

Is there a second?

Second.

Seconded by Commissioner Richter.

All those in favor, please raise your hand.

And that passes unanimously.

Okay, so tonight we discussed in study session again the uh what items we wish to have on the consent agenda.

These are items that will be uh passed together at under one vote.

So if you are here tonight and you wish to speak on one of these items, please get my attention and I can pull that out of the consent agenda.

The first item on the consent agenda is item 3A, which is a development plan review for 1920 West University.

Was there anyone here tonight wishing to speak on that item?

Okay, seeing none that will remain on the consent agenda.

The next item we had was item five A, which is request an amended planned area development overlay to modify development standards relating to parking setbacks, lot coverage and landscape, and a development plan review for a new mixed-use development with 72 dwelling units and commercial uses on 2.9 acres for minima apartments.

Does anyone wishing to speak on that item?

Okay, that one will stay on our consent agenda.

The next item was item 5B, which is the request and amended planned area development overlay.

Um to modify the development standards related to setbacks and landscape.

That is for Hayden Lane Townhomes.

Okay, we will keep that one on the consent agenda.

Um the next item on the consent agenda is item number six A, which is the code text amendment for the middle housing overlay district.

Okay, seeing no one, we will keep that one on consent.

And item six B is the code text amendment for uh municipal administrative reviews.

So code text amendment within the Tempe zoning and development code, which amends decision making authority for applications for development plan review and subdivision plates.

And was there anyone tonight wishing to speak on that item?

Okay, so we'll keep that one on the consent agenda as well.

So our consent agenda remains as it was discussed in our study session.

So could I get a motion for the approval of the consent agenda?

Motion to approve the consent uh agenda as stated.

Okay, so that was moved by Commissioner Richter.

Is there a second?

Second.

Seconded by Commissioner Spears.

All those in favor, please raise your hand.

Okay.

That passes unanimously.

So now we will move on to the remaining item on our regular agenda, which is the request of zoning map amendment from CSS to MU4 for approximately 14 acres for Danell Plaza mixed use.

Um would the applicant please present your case?

Hello.

Good evening.

Good evening, Mr.

Chairman, members of the commission.

Oh, thank you.

Thanks.

Uh, for your record, my name is Mondja LaVoz with the law firm Yammerton Burnham.

I am here on behalf of the developers to talk about the first part of the Danel Plaza mixed use.

And um, as you know, we've been doing this for a long time with the city of Tempe, and so we still have some things to do.

We thought we'd just start in the first phase, and that is to just rezone it so that the property is consistent with the general plan and the development agreement that we have executed uh with the city of Tempe.

Uh, the developers and owners of this project are Desert Viking Development and Eric Greeno with Greena Affiliated Development, which is a social impact investor.

So the site itself, as we're probably aware, is located here.

Not all the parcels are involved, so we have placed around yellow and black lines just the parcels that will be involved in the zoning amendment.

Right now, the site is zoned.

Well, the site is zoned CSS, as you may know, which is a commercial shopping center and services.

So it allows basically what you see on Apache and right now, retail services, restaurant.

What we have done, and I know many of the community know is the purpose of this is to make a mixed use project.

And one of the things that's very important to this project is affordable housing.

And in order to bring both affordable and workforce housing to the project, we need to rezone the property to MU4.

Um, MU4 mixed use allows the housing that we want to build, and then MU4 matches the general plan density, which the general plan which was passed last year, allows density up to 45 dwelling units the acre.

So we don't have a plan today.

We're just doing the first step, which is to allow us to kind of move forward with the plan that has commercial and housing, and kind of start talking to the community about those projects.

And kind of this is just a little bit of a shared vision for Donnell Plaza, and what's in the development agreement.

We've been talking to some of the community.

I know that you all know, which is to deliver workforce and attainable housing.

We have public open areas.

So we've kind of NILS was involved with the development of downtown Chandler.

So if those of you who have seen downtown Chandler, you know there's like a little open area, not dissimilar to what we have at NOVAS, amphitheater open space.

We intend to kind of maybe start on the commercial where yucca is.

You can see that picture right now.

We can move forward with that, do some adaptive reuse.

We recognize and we're going to preserve the state site's historic role with Tempe and the music arts community.

And Yucca will be preserved through a cultural restrictive covenant or some sort of entertainment venue, but you can see kind of we intend to have Yucca, this kind of activity, kind of starting the project and see how it goes.

And then we have public art canvases, wall murals, and input from a community-led design for creative features.

So our kind of shared vision is that open space will be made available to the public, and you can see here featuring shared areas, greenery gathering spaces, kind of have walking paths.

We're going to have sustainable infrastructure there, and we will have community benefits through CCNRs and some other license agreements.

These are the things that are in our development agreement.

Our next step is to go and do a large community outreach process, talk to the arts community, talk to the neighborhood, talk about housing, kind of talk through what everybody wants to do.

But because we also have some other things going on related to the project and some other litigation issues, we wanted to at least start this process, rezone the property, allow us to move forward to start moving, kind of getting some residential in there and start doing some of the just at least do the adaptive reuse on the resident and the retail.

So that's a very brief presentation.

It's not super complicated, but we're really excited, even though it's not complicated, it's taking us a long time to get here.

So we'd certainly appreciate your support.

Happy to take any questions.

Questions for the applicant?

Commissioner Spruce?

Um, how much of the land do you currently have in the ownership change?

We currently have all the entire Denell Plaza, but a little about 14 acres.

Okay, so everything that you everything that's in the theory that is in the boundary is is under control.

Is owned.

Is owned either by Eric Nils or the city of Tempe.

Thank you.

Owned or have development rides, I should say.

Commissioner Lord.

Thank you.

Um, just given the nature of the current conditions of the construction market and and knowing that there's a development agreement in place.

How do you get to the attainable component and how do you keep rents for lack of a better word, controlled for some of the mom and pop art type retail uses?

Like how do you foresee that?

I don't know.

I I'll let we can let Nils talk a little bit about the mom and pop art uses.

I mean, right now we've we're working with uh Tempe Music and Arts to have the art donated art space.

I think that's something we need to keep talking through in terms of how we're going to what space will be available for the arts community, how it gets used, what kind of subsidy.

That's the other conversation we're having with the city.

But right now we're you know trying to support who we can and kind of work through it.

That I mean, this is all just a kind of a right now, they're there, and we're gonna let them kind of we're gonna work through that.

I don't know.

I don't have a specific answer for it.

Okay, thanks.

Other questions for the applicant.

All right, well, thank you for your presentation.

We'll call you back up later.

Okay, thanks.

All right, next, um, Ms.

Stolball.

Can present for the city.

Yes.

Thank you.

Um, good evening.

My name is my name is uh Karen Stowa, senior planner.

Um, so as Mandela stated, this site surrounds the southwest corner of Mill and Southern Avenues.

It includes 27 parcels that total approximately 14 acres.

Uh, the applicant has requested a zoning map amendment from CSS to MU4.

The MU4 zoning district requires a planned area development overlay, which is a zoning overlay to establish development standards for the project.

The applicant has not applied for a PAD at this time, so a neighborhood meeting and another set of public hearings involving the development review commission and city council will be required to process that application once it is submitted.

Um looking over the approval criteria, the amendment will permit a mixed-use development with public uh benefits as I outlined in the development agreement that the applicant mentioned earlier.

The district conforms with the existing general plan land use category, and the applicant has stated that the proposed density would not exceed 45 dwelling units per acre as permitted by the general plan.

The amendment is uh compatible with the surrounding uses and zoning districts, and the future PAD overlay will need to address the specific development standards that take the location and context into consideration.

And the development agreement anticipates the need to make uh infrastructure improvements, and those will have to be addressed through the future PD and development plan review applications.

The applicant held a neighborhood meeting in July.

Um discussion included request to understand more details about the project, um, the expected timeline, uh proposed land uses, um, how art would would be incorporated into the project, what exactly is meant by affordable housing, and both concerns and support for um higher density and taller buildings.

Um as of today, we've received two phone calls with general questions about the request and one email and support.

And that email was received after publishing the staff report, and I think that was sent to you late last week.

We are recommending approval of the request subject to the conditions in the staff report.

Um, the one unique one is that uh the PAD application must be submitted within three years of city council approval of this rezoning application.

The applicant requested that time period to allow them to uh resolve all issues with the uh property owners and to have a more involved community engagement um process before submitting the planned area development overlay.

The applicant has reviewed the um conditions and agrees with them, and I'd be happy to answer any questions.

Any questions for commissioner spears?

Um the three-year condition.

Um if I read that correctly, it says that they can request an extension and it can be granted by staff.

Is that correct?

That is correct.

Uh the zoning ordinance does permit um one year time extensions for um zoning map amendments, yes.

Okay, so that if it if it went four years at the end of four years, it reverts back to CSS.

They could if I uh yeah, they could request another amendment, another one year time extension.

Sorry, that amendment.

And that would go to staff again.

That would staff decision.

Thank you.

Any other questions for staff?

Okay, thank you.

All right, so now we will begin the public hearing process or portion of the case.

So again, if you are here tonight to speak on this item, wish to speak on this item, please fill out one of these cards and bring it up to the front desk here to Joanna Barry.

Um, I will read.

I've got a few cards here, so I'll just read them as they um come.

Uh Mr.

Phil Yates, you're up.

And uh please restate your name and city residence.

My neighbor.

Good evening.

My name is Philip Yates, and I am the president for the Riverside Neighborhood Association, and I'm kind of tall, so I have to adjust this.

But uh so back in July, I met the applicant and uh the attorney representing the applicant and uh and we discussed there weren't a whole lot of people there to be quite frank, uh, to discuss this.

This really hasn't been thought out very well to say the best.

It uh to say the least, rather.

Uh and we need a lot more public input.

And at this point, I think that it is in your hands, obviously, to whether to let it just go forward into the hands of the city council.

We're not ready to do that yet.

I haven't talked to anybody that feels um good about the project itself.

We would be wiping out a lot of the arts in this area, and we need to think about that.

I don't think anybody in the city of Tempe probably wouldn't like to see affordable housing somewhere.

That isn't a question really.

Uh, I think that what really needs to be in question is Is this really what the people want?

I haven't talked to anybody.

Anybody that has said to me, quite frankly, that they like the idea of this going to an MU4.

We're not ready for that yet.

We need to listen to the people.

We need a heck of a lot more input from the people.

And it is actually the well, I think it is the um in the hands of the developer to reach out to representatives of neighborhood associations and say, hey, we're having a meeting, and we'll be glad, I'll be glad to um spread the word and let people know that we are going to listen to the developer and the representatives to um them and and uh give them a chance to give um what it is that they want to do in that area.

And we'll be glad, I'll be glad to spread the word and let people know that we are going to listen to the developer and the representatives to them and and uh give them a chance to give um what it is that they want to do in that area.

That wasn't really done at the meeting that I went to at all, really.

And then I met the uh applicant, and uh they were asked a lot of questions.

They really didn't know he didn't really didn't have a whole lot of answers to the questions that were genuine, at least in my opinion.

I think that it was quite disingenuous, and uh I really think that we really need to think about this a lot.

It's going up to an MU4.

That is a huge, huge jump without any kind of input from the general public.

Thank you for your time.

Thank you, sir.

All right, next up is Robert Moore.

If you could restate your name and city residents, uh Robert Moore, Tempe Arizona, and uh, I don't have anything written, so this might go sideways.

Um I was hoping to get more detail on was the open space component.

Um in the um amendment application, they do a really good job of fleshing out um a lot of topics in the general plan.

Um, but that's one item that open space was headlined on the um red placards in front of the plaza, but it's not really discussed much more in the application.

So just curious um if they might give us more context as to how that relates to the open space element within the general plan.

Um the open space has been a component that the community has been leaning into for some time, and so it just it was just on my radar, so I'd be interested in knowing a little bit more about that since it wasn't um the connectivity was a little bit limited or non-existent within the application.

Um I wanted to uh double down on the last speaker's point too.

I think you know it's this is such an incredible opportunity to engage the community.

This is this is a big step.

Um the mixed use high density is is unusual for our neck of the woods along southern, and it could really it could be if done right, could really set a precedent for temp E on how we integrate density into our suburban landscape, and that was a theme within the general plan that kept coming up.

How do we how do we how do we take care or how do we leverage the opportunity of existing strip malls into um and adapting them to relate to Tempe's next chapter of growth?

And so, as an experiment as a as a project, Danel Plaza stands as an incredible opportunity, and so and I know this is a broad stroke meeting, right?

Um you know, generalize for for these the high density and the mixed use concept, but I also ask you or challenge you to really lean into this one.

Um it could really make a difference to how we approach development going forward in temp B.

And it's worth worth time to look at and be thoughtful and understand and engage the community effectively.

Um, but also look at this as an experiment, like how do we approach this sort of thing?

Because this is this is gonna be the future.

This is gonna be the trend.

We might as well use this as a learning experience, especially since the community owns 42% of it.

It's a very unique opportunity, and I hope you guys really lean in and pay attention and help the city leverage this opportunity.

So thank you very much.

Thank you.

All right, next up is Sarah Sarah Sheel.

She lee.

Sheila.

Thank you.

If you could restate your name as you say it, and um what city your uh city of residence.

Uh my name is Sarah Sheila.

I'm from Tempe.

I've lived off of Broadmore and Mill since 2018.

Um, I'm a former graphic designer with a degree in design from ASU.

During undergrad in 2019, I was introduced to Danell Plaza via project for my classmates and I partnered with the Danel Plaza community to create a pop-up event called Meet Danell.

Our event featured a museum at the plaza where we invited neighbors to engage with us and share their thoughts on the plaza's past and their hopes for its future.

We heard hopes of revitalization, added housing, open space for the community, maintaining Yucca Tap room, adding more restaurants, and preserving the unique and historical art scene.

As a former art and design student who worked with them who worked on the Meet Donnell project, a current frequenter of Yelpcare Tap Room and a current neighbor to the plaza.

I am supportive, I am in support of this rezoning request because I believe that it's about time for this unique and historical property gets revitalization it deserves.

Thank you.

Thank you.

All right, next up is Joel Stern.

If you can restate your name, sir and city residents.

Hey, I'm Joel Stern.

I am from Tempe.

I'm the chair of the Dromedary Neighborhood Association and the vice chair of the neighborhood advisory commission.

If you're not familiar with dromedary, it is the neighborhood that is closest to Danel Plaza to the north.

So just past the Fry's parking lot.

I believe that it could be one of the most significant developments for the city that has occurred in the last few years.

Danell has largely been vacant for as long as I've been here.

The only activity has really revolved around the yucca, some of the great art curated by Rob Moore, and some of the really fun and diverse events that are occurring now with the TAMC.

If the realized vision of this project is able to come to fruition, I believe that it'll be transformative, not just for my neighborhood or the neighborhoods around it, but really for the city of its itself, right?

For years, travelers have exited Mill Avenue heading into downtown Tempe.

They've been met with kind of a stretch that kind of prompts pause, right?

They look at it and go, hmm.

Um it's easy to imagine parents wondering what kind of city their child has landed in.

Um as their and if you know choosing ASU was the right move based on those first few blocks.

Um but Danell really has the ability to not only be Tempe's art and music hub, but it could actually spurn the growth of the makers district, right?

And if you're not familiar with that, it is that industrial complex that also has some of that mixed use to it.

Um and it definitely could elevate a lot of the neighborhoods that are around that.

So which is, you know, and the biggest thing is there's the promise of the workforce and affordable housing, which we desperately need in the city.

It's a great spot for it.

So please approve this project that you know we want, you know, this is or you know, this is a project that actually started 50 years ago that just went nowhere, right?

And for us as neighbors, for us that are in this city, um, that is way too long to be a focal point of our city.

Thank you.

Thank you.

All right, next up is Allie Barnett.

Did I say that right?

Okay, great.

If you can restate your name and city residence, please.

Hi.

Um, good evening.

My name is Ali Barnett.

I live in Tempe.

Um I am an Arizona and California real estate broker, and I serve on the Valley Leadership Housing Committee.

Um, while I think this project is good, as I shared in the council meeting last week, I do believe that we need to look as a city at what Phoenix did, which is create a ULI tap plan so that we have an overarching um opportunity to create what we want to see.

And that's not just slapping more luxury homes or that we need affordability, we need sustainability, we need to understand whether we need more senior living, we need to understand community gardens, those sorts of things.

So I do think this is a good project.

I would have liked to see at as um I think Paul stated earlier at the meetings that there was more transparency from uh from the team about you know, if you have mock-ups of what it's going to look like, then you also have a site plan.

And the site plan was not available.

Um I just I would encourage as a city that we start looking at creating an overarching plan and conducting a ULI tap study to ensure that future developments have a more seamless process and getting approved because they meet whatever the needs are for the areas.

Like we, you know, downtown Tempe has been a focus, and now we're moving outside of downtown Tempe.

I'm also the founder of North 32nd, which was taken over from the city of Phoenix because unlike 19 North, we didn't get transit dollars, and my background is in in fill residential building in the Bay Area.

So I took it over from the city.

And if you look at what North 32nd looked like 11 years ago compared to what it looks like now, that was a direct result of having a plan before any of that.

And additionally, I served on the Paradise Valley Village Planning Committee.

So thank you to all of you for your service because I know it's not easy being the one on the other side of the speaker.

Um yeah, I think that that's but um, yeah, I just really feel like we need a strategic plan, and I don't feel like that's happening right now.

Thank you.

Thank you.

All right, and then I just I think I just have a first name, Juliet.

Um, if you can state your full name and uh city residence, please.

Hello, my name is Juliet Smith.

I live in Tempe, been a Tempe resident for the past eight years.

I am uh career-wise, not really related to development or planning or anything, but I work very closely with people that have lived in Tempe for a very long time, and have a lot of um trepidation and curiosity to Tempe's development and where it's gonna go from what it used to be in the beginning stages of how Tempe was built around ASU's culture with art and um integration with cult culture, art, music, and such.

So it's good that um I'm able to hop in here randomly and speak um hopefully on behalf of people that feel the same way.

Um I I love the the local scene, and I think that's what thrives in the grassroots community, and I love the feeling that Danell uh emanates even when it's state as the age it is now.

I I do have high hopes for the the development and what the new owners will want to do with it.

I just I agree in the sense that it needs to be a lot more clarity around the situation and make people feel like they're comfortable with the plan.

Um I think there's a little bit more time and also space and availability for the public to get a little bit more informed on the plan.

So uh I'm here and um hopefully putting off the um agreements and the the rezoning until the community can kind of step in and get an idea of what's actually going on when I was seeing the slideshow.

I didn't really see much of the housing development, what the idea of that's going to be.

I just saw the open space use, which was appealing to people that might be opposed to what the housing development might be.

I don't know if they plan on doing like high um like condensed living spaces, which wouldn't be in uh ideal, I think for what Danel Plaza has been.

I think it would take up a lot of space um and away from the arts uh and music, but um yeah, I'm just more curious to have more clarity on the plan itself, and I think we need more time for that.

That's it.

Thank you guys.

Appreciate it.

Thanks.

All right, that was the last uh comment card I had.

Were there any others in the audience wishing to speak on this item tonight?

Okay.

Um seeing none, I'd like to invite the applicant back up to address anything that you would like to address.

Um thanks, Mr.

Chairman, members of the commission.

Um, just to kind of answer some of the questions that have come up.

What and as Karen said, the plan is we are rezoning this to kind of start the process.

The density was approved by the Tempe voters last year as part of the general plan.

So it has been the general plan designation is up to 45 dwelling units an acre.

So that's kind of where we are.

But the plan is to spend the next couple of years or whatever, do a very robust community process.

Um, Ellen, I just had this conversation.

We had it in July, we've had it with several people.

The reason that we don't have any plans is because our what we said to the council, what's in the development agreement is there's going to be a series of community meetings coming up with the plan.

And as Karen said, we'll be coming back in a public meeting with the PAD after we've had lots of community meetings, met with the arts community, talked to them about what works for them.

We've spent a lot of time over the years talking to Rob and other members of the Tempe arts community.

So we're gonna keep doing that.

Um, but we do there's just some other property issues.

We have some you know, issues we need to deal with property owners, court issues that we just kind of need to move this zoning portion along, and then we're gonna start what it's apparently gonna be a couple year zoning, you know, community process, come back in a public hearing, kind of work through the site plan, come back to you and go to the council.

So that's just to give everybody a sense of we don't have a plan and all the housing.

We're gonna talk to people.

We do have a plan in terms of affordable and workforce that's already dictated through a development agreement with the city council.

We've talked to them, not in terms of height, but just generically in terms of you know where we what where they want to be, and we're all trying to we've talked about looking at different types of units.

So just want to tell the community that we're gonna start talking to them, talked about affordability, we'll talk about senior, we'll talk about what kind of housing, and then we'll come back and everybody will see a full site plan before we come back to you.

With that, I'm happy to answer any questions.

Questions?

Commissioner Spears.

Um, I asked the question earlier earlier about the ownership of the property.

You just said that the reason you want the rezoning is so you can work out some of the property ownership issues.

Doesn't seem to be the uh that you have control of all the properties or the development rights.

We have some CCNR issues that we're trying to work through.

They're not, I mean, we own the they have they're more HOA issues that have been dealt with, but people can appeal.

Commissioner Lloyd.

Thank you.

So the uh rezone is the first domino in the series of events.

Um, just for the benefit of everyone who spoke tonight in regards to transparency, there will be other public aside from the outreach that you will do as part of the process, there will be other public hearing meetings required as you go throughout this process, correct?

Yeah, there will be other public, there are there are public meetings that will be that we will be having most likely at the Danel Plaza.

Yeah.

Okay, I just wanted everyone to be clear that this isn't this is just the very beginning.

No, this is just the beginning.

We'll be happy to go to neighborhood meetings or you know, obviously neighborhood associations.

Again, I don't live that far away from this site either, so we're happy to go.

Um, I do want to say in July, just fill out like the meeting had, as Karen said, 60 to 70 people, which you know, for neighborhood as meeter neighborhood meetings go, is a pretty healthy number of people.

Commissioner Richter.

Um I'm actually just curious.

Um obviously the density was approved in the general plan.

Um is there a reason why it's MU4 or the proposals M E four versus M U three?

ME3 um allows up to 25 dwelling units an acre.

And that doesn't get overridden by the general plan at all.

No.

Okay.

Thank you.

Well, I have um a quick question.

So maybe not a quick question, but Danel Plaza obviously is um very important to a lot of people, and um is a place that many of us visit.

You know, I love the Elector Brad Arcade.

Um, I reconnected with Pinball there, and it's a really great place on Gruzero.

Well, Tuesday nights I learned they have like uh pinball championships.

Oh, yeah, they they're all over the place.

So um, but but it's one of those spots, you know.

I I was literally there washing my car over the weekend, so it's a place that I frequent.

Um, and I know a lot of people do, and and it's just when you go there, um, it is a special place, but you look around and it's very much a huge opportunity.

And I think what what people see and what people don't want to lose is that thing that makes it really unique.

And I I don't think that that's the dirt lots.

I think that's um, you know, yucca, that's the art that you see all around.

That's the bands that you've seen play there.

Um I I appreciate and I understand people's passion for this place.

So I um want to make sure that we we all understand why is it important that this move forward now, this this piece of it.

Oh, in terms of rezoning?

Yes.

Oh, I mean, it I think that we from our perspective, we need and the city's perspective, we do need to start talking about housing, right?

We need right now at CSS, we can do the retail, but what's also important to the community was housing, doing affordable housing.

Housing doesn't happen unless the properties you zone, rezoned to mixed use.

Housing doesn't happen unless I think Barbara's like, we got to go the market.

We have to go talk to people.

We have been trying to talk to different housing developers and housing partners for a long time.

And to your point, what everybody has said here, Danel Plaza has not moved in a long time.

There's reasons Danel Plaza has not moved in a long time.

The you know it's CCNR issues.

We've had to terminate condos.

We've had to work through a lot of different issues that are not city issues, but our property issues.

And in that time, we've also we've reached out to many different developers, many different housing partners, and you know, they have said to us we need to see some sort of movement, we need to know that you can put housing there before we'll talk to you.

So we came, we're coming and we need to get it rezoned so we can just say nothing happens.

It gets rezoned to mixed use.

Then now we know we can put housing there.

Now we know we can all move forward.

We know we can do retail, we're gonna do retail, we're gonna keep where Yucca is.

That is the first thing we can still do, right?

Yucca's gonna stay there, electric bat's gonna stay there, we're gonna kind of do adaptive reuse of that building along Southern.

But then how do we get the developers that we need to talk to us about housing when they don't know and they've seen that site language for a long time?

That's the reason we need it.

All right, other questions for that.

All right, thank you.

Thank you.

Um Stelwall, was there anything else you wanted to address?

Okay.

All right.

With that, we will close out our public comment period and move to Commissioner discussion.

Commissioner Spears.

Um I absolutely support the rezoning.

What I'm not happy about is the timeline that is possibly up to five years from now because this has been going on for so long.

I understand that they need to get the zoning change, but I really would encourage you to uh get it done before three years.

Other comments.

Uh Commissioner Lloyd.

Well, that makes me have a question for staff.

In the in the development agreement, is what's the timeline there?

Does it have performance milestones in the development agreement?

I don't, yeah.

Mr.

Chairman, Commissioner Lloyd.

We I don't have the development agreement with me.

There are performance milestones in the development agreement.

The reason that we um asked for additional years just related to both the community outreach and some issues we're dealing with in terms of the condo plat issue.

But it is our hope that we'll be back.

No one's trying to do this for five years.

We've been doing this now for two.

Uh our hope is that we're gonna be back here in the next year or so.

But we rather thought we just asked for an additional year.

But there are performance milestones in the development agreement, yes.

The first one involves terminating this condo plat, which we're working on.

I guess are the performance milestones generally under five years?

Yes, they are yes, you'll Google that answers my question.

I'm gonna retire before five years.

We're gonna get this done.

Okay.

Thank you.

All right, other discussion.

I see you have a mic there, Mr.

Richters.

No, oh, I see.

All right.

Um yeah, I think it's it's important to move this thing along.

Um, I understand there's a little trepidation because there's not a well-laid out plan at the moment.

Um, my hope is that this helps to move that plan along and begin those public processes where people can provide input and help um provide uh their you know their goal, their vision, what they think would be great for this location.

Um I think it's it's a really important piece of property and a really important project.

And I I would I would love to see it um get some momentum and get moving.

So I'll be supporting it tonight.

Um, with that, is there would anybody like to make a motion?

Commissioner Commissioner, we motion to approve PL 250205.

Okay.

Um motion for approval from Commissioner Richter is our second.

Second, seconded by Commissioner Lloyd.

All those in favor, please raise your hand.

And that passes unanimously.

Um that moves us on to uh commissioner announcements.

Were there any commissioner announcements?

Um I did have one.

We passed two items six A and six B in um our consent agenda.

And those were passed unanimously.

But I I would like to just make a note that those weren't necessarily things that we agree with, but we understand that they were mandated by the state legislature, that the city is required to do that, and they're they're written very um had to be written very precisely to um uh comp for comply with the state statute.

So um just want to say that uh an affirmative vote for those wasn't necessarily um that we support that and I'm only speaking for myself, but um I'm I think some may other may uh others may agree with me, but I just want to make that quick comment.

So any other comments?

I second that.

Okay.

Second all those in favor.

No.

Um any any staff announcements.

Thank you, Mr.

Chairman.

Uh just to remind you that the next meeting isn't until October 28th, and because it's so far ahead of time, we don't have an agenda set for that yet, so I don't have any items to share with you.

Uh but uh enjoy your time until we see you next time.

Thank you.

And again, um next commission meeting is October twenty-eighth, twenty twenty-five, and we are adjourned.

Thank you.