I called the order of the zoning and planning committee on April 15th, 2026.

Morris.

Martinez.

Driscoll.

Here.

Gaddis.

Here.

Haves.

Com Ives.

Here.

Meldon.

Here.

Sarantu.

Here.

Williams.

Here.

Seven present.

Okay.

So we're gonna go ahead and get started here.

I'm actually going to advance number five.

Um Clerk, can you please uh read that?

Case number five is a request for an amendment to a special use permit for a gas station expansion for the property located at 4486 Monroe Street.

Case number SUP25-0048.

The plan commission recommends approval subject to 19 conditions and two waivers.

Okay, so the applicant is unable to be here.

Um but I did want to give the community an opportunity to speak.

This is gonna actually get deferred to May 20th uh per the applicant's request.

Is there anyone to speak for or against this permit?

See none going once, going twice.

All right, we'll move on.

And Clerk, if you can please start at please.

Case number one is a request for a zone change from CN commercial neighborhood commercial and RS6 single dwelling residential to CO office commercial for the property located at 2500 Collingwood Boulevard, case number Z two six zero zero zero two.

The plan commission recommends approval.

Is the applicant here?

Yes.

Okay, if you could please uh uh get sworn in, please.

Yes, good evening.

My name is Tom Antonini, I'm General Counsel for the Diocese of Toledo.

Um and just briefly, um this has been a kind of a long-term vision of ours to move our uh main headquarters of Pastoral Center from our former location on Spielbush to the Collingwood Boulevard site across the street from the cathedral, and we're really trying to um working with the old West End Historic District Commission, kind of follow their rules and guidelines and have a complimentary campus type feel.

When we were back in front of that group three or four years ago, they approved the monumental sign on the new site, and then and then the project then got delayed, and in the meantime the the rules changed and no longer permit that height uh of a sign, um, and that would match the existing sign that's on the Rosary Cathedral School campus.

Um so Plan Commission, and really at the urging of the old West End Historic District Commission, urging us to find a way to get those to match the plan commission suggests that we go this route for a zone change.

Um so that's what we're asking the uh this council to to grant uh in accordance with the plan commission recommendation.

Kevin Young from Munger Mugger Architects is here to answer any questions you might have as far as the specifications and those sorts of things, but unless there's any questions for me, I'll I'll stand down.

Madam Directors So again, as the applicant said they had approval for the sign that they wanted, and then the site plan expired.

By the time they got the site plan back to being approved, the sign code had changed.

We are supportive of the sign because it does match across the street, and the old West Unistoric District is supportive of it.

Okay.

Uh is there anyone to speak for or against this uh request?

Sorry, this is a little loud.

Anyone to speak for or against this request?

Uh President Williams?

Uh I send it to the full city council as approved.

Thank you.

Okay, thank you.

Um and then this will be read at the full council on April 28th.

What district?

The 28th.

Thank you.

Yep, April 28th, 2026.

Clerk, please read the next case.

Case number two is a request for a zone change from CO office commercial to RD6 duplex residential for the property located at 419 Roanoke Road.

Case number Z26-0003.

The Plan Commission recommends approval.

Is the applicant here?

Hello, if you can please uh state your name and get sworn in, please.

Hi, my name is Chloe Nucius.

Would you raise your right hand, please?

Oh, hold on the mic.

There you go.

Do you swear the tell the truth and nothing but the truth?

So say I do.

I do.

Thank you.

Okay.

Can you tell us about your project?

Um so we are applying to change the zone from um commercial to residential.

It's a single family dwelling.

We bought in 2023.

Um, and we learned when the next door um neighbors, I think 4015 Roanoke applied for a similar zone change that we were zoned commercial, so we're just trying to rectify that.

Okay.

Is there anyone to speak for or against this uh zone request?

Going once, going twice.

Uh this is in District 5.

Councilman.

Oh, I'm sorry, Madam President.

It's just a real question, just to make sure that you say it's a single family home.

Is it a duplex though?

It's not.

I was recommended by the plan commission um to apply for duplex because it is in line with some of the surrounding properties, and um, as far as I'm aware, the duplex zoning allows for single family dwellings.

So that was their recommendation.

Okay.

So it does, and it it also allows us a chance to increase density a little bit should they want to convert to a duplex.

Councilman Meldon.

I'll put it forward as approved.

Okay, thank you.

Um there are no conditions, nothing for you to sign.

This will be read at the April 28th full council meeting.

Thank you so much.

Thank you.

Uh first of all, my apologies, Councilman Saranto, I didn't see your light.

My apologies.

Did you want to say something?

Well, I wanted to say something on uh on the first item.

I just wanted to point out uh and thank the Diocese of Toledo.

They sold their building to the Toledo Lucas County Health Department, which is a win-win, and they're uh obviously operating, going to have a nice office space in the old west end.

So I think that it was a total win-win for everybody, and just wanted to thank them for that.

So thank you, Mr.

Chairman.

Thank you.

And then again, my apologies.

Um, please, clerk.

Case number three is a request for a zone change from CS storefront commercial to CM mixed commercial residential for the property located at 2855 through 2857 LeGrange Street.

Case number Z26-0004.

The Plan Commission recommends approval.

Is the applicant here?

Hello.

Hello.

My name is uh Martin Leger.

So I'm the owner through uh my company Central Dwellings Corp.

I had this uh I have this uh property.

I need to swear you in.

May I swear you in?

What?

I need to swear in.

Uh do you solemnly swear to tell the truth and nothing but the truth?

If so, say I do.

I do.

Thank you.

Okay, so uh home that uh property for a few years.

I tried to lease it to some uh commercial tenants.

There's no demand.

So uh I had a house in Detroit and I moved out of it, and um and I ended up with this building not knowing what to do, and I thought uh since there's no demand, maybe I would simply uh make it uh residential unit for myself.

And uh I'm planning to add some uh kitchen cabinets in the front and uh a shower in the back, and uh on the second floor that is smaller, uh, would uh have an office.

So that's my plan.

Okay.

Uh is there anyone to speak for or against uh zone change?

Oh I'm sorry, Director.

Do you have anything to add?

So the CM zoning will allow an appropriate mix of uses commercial residential, what we've been supporting along Lagrange Street late uh as of late.

So we would we're obviously supportive.

Okay.

Anyone to speak for or against the applicant for the zone change?

Going once, going twice.

Uh Madam President.

Yes, I just have a question.

Do you own the do you run the convenience store there on the corner?

No, I don't own that convenience store.

You don't own that building.

No, no, no, just mine.

Okay.

That could because uh um just I'm sure you know it's a few problems with that convenience store.

So um just wanted to make sure.

Um yeah, it's not the best area, but uh I'm betting that uh you know, with time it's gonna get better.

Oh, yeah, yeah, for sure.

Um I'm here I'm very supportive of you doing what you creating that because we definitely is vacant over there.

I I definitely appreciate this.

I just got to clean up that convenience store, and I was just seeing if you own that building too.

So okay.

Well, I'm working on that convenience store.

So and to get the because if everybody doesn't know it's uh every prostitution track, and you know it's not zoned for that.

Um and I would like to clean it up, so this is adding to the beautification of that area.

So I appreciate you because we are going to be working in the Northeast to beautify that area, so we appreciate you doing this.

I send it to the full city council has approved.

Thank you, Madam President.

Okay, so this will go as approved and we held or be read at the full council on April 28th, 2026.

Do I need to be present then?

It's up to you if you would like to.

You don't have to.

No, it will be present.

So on the 28th.

Thank you.

You're very welcome.

Thank you.

Next, please.

Case number four is the request for a special use permit for major public utility, the Schneider Park water tower for the property located at Zero South Detroit Avenue.

Case number SUP26-0001.

The Plan Commission recommends recommends approval subject to 21 conditions.

Can you be swung in?

Uh Andy McClure.

Oh no, yeah.

Okay.

So I think the representatives.

Yes, I think you're good.

Okay.

Um this uh permit would be for can to allow for construction of an elevated storage tank that is one of four that will be um constructed as part of overall distribution system improvements.

Uh this area was uh selected um as optim optimized using a disbish distribution system model uh the recommendations from the model were all finalized in 2020.

Um and the uh the site was selected in part because of the large uh frequency and number of boiler advisories in the area when they're operating troubles at the water treatment plant uh in addition to the recommendations of the model for you know there's some other reasons as well.

Um the uh our consultant has already um provided a response to all 21 conditions from the staff report.

So I would take any questions if anyone has any right now.

Madam Director.

Uh we don't have any further comments.

There was no neighborhood opposition, no calls, so is there anyone in to speak for or against this uh request?

Is there anyone for or against this request?

Uh councilman Sarantu?

Thank you.

When uh Andy, when will a project be completed?

Uh the projects are all gonna be underway here uh this spring and summer.

Uh I believe it's 2028 the projects will be completed.

Okay, thank you.

Thank you, Mr.

Chair.

Thanks.

Uh so this is in my district.

Uh we did have a community meeting uh last year on this.

Yes.

Um the funding was approved, and I think it came under budget one from what we approved if I recall.

Yes.

Right.

So we approved 100 million, it came down to 80.

Is that correct?

Correct.

So that was good.

So the concern was that there may be uh tariffs or price increase.

So thankfully we got in when we did.

Um so I'm gonna recommend this as uh as approved.

Um and this will require so do you do accept all 21 conditions?

Yes.

Okay, so there will be a required signature, and this will get read um on the April 28th, 2026 City Council meeting.

Okay, thank you very much.

Thank you.

Next, please.

All right, uh case number six is a request for a special use permit for gasoline and fuel sales for the property located at 5305 and 5321 Monroe Street and 4700 Nantucket Drive.

Case number SUP 25-0036.

The plan commission recommends disapproval.

And it's my understanding that this is gonna go back to the refer back to the plan commission.

Yes.

Um, I need a motion to send this back to the planning commission.

So moved.

So moved by Councilman Meldon.

Uh Madam Director.

The only thing I have to add is it was a two-two vote, and after discussions with our law department, it was decided it needed to return to the plan commission uh for them to either revote as a forward with no recommendation rather than a disapproval.

Um there were also some information added to the site plan regarding the access and the billboard on site, and that was the second reason to send it back.

And that will be heard at our May, I'm sorry, our May 15th Plan Commission agenda.

Councilman Meldon.

Councilman Melding.

Yeah, I do have a could you just clarify that one more time?

So that was a two and it was a two-two vote.

And you're saying after legal counsel, I think I missed something there.

So it was a two-two vote.

We had one member recuse himself.

Um we sent it as disapproval, then we came back and met with our legal department a couple of times, and it was determined that the plan commission either needs to keep it there until they can get a majority vote or send it as forwarded without recommendation.

It can't be a disapproval.

Yeah.

Is that is that a policy of some kind, or is that a normal protocol that if something is if it's a tie vote, it goes forward as disapproved?

That's a TMC section.

Really?

That uh we were not aware of.

Um but we have Oh, hello.

Hi, I'm Sarah Stevens from the law department for the city of Toledo.

Um TMC 14501, which establishes the procedures for the plan commission, um, requires any recommendation, approval or disapproval or other action of the plan commission to be taken only by majority vote.

So a tie does not cannot move the item out of the plan commission.

So it was a mistake to initially say that it was going out as disapproved.

Correct.

Oh, that's interesting.

Which makes a lot more sense to me.

Because when I first heard that, I thought I was thinking like, why would the tie not be broken by the staff recommendation?

That was just but I mean if if TMC says the TMC doesn't provide for um any removal other than based on a majority vote.

So in this instance, we thought it would be more appropriate if the plan commission voted to properly um move move it along either without a recommendation or with the staff's recommendation.

Um and then additionally, we received additional information on that, so sort of practically and legally.

If another if another similar instance were to happen again, it would not even come out.

So that could be day with plan commission, or they could forward us no recommendation.

Oh, correct.

They just have to make a motion on whatever that other action would be.

So whether they so that the language of the code says no recommendation, approval, disapproval, or other action.

So even the action of moving this case along to the zoning and planning commission would have required a so it can't come out.

It can't come out according to the way the code is written now without a majority vote of the quorum present.

How often thank you, that's wonderful.

How often do we have I mean it doesn't, I don't have a lot of memory of this happening.

So I looked it up.

We've had four tie votes in the last 25 years.

Okay.

Most of them in your district, actually.

Um it's a it's a split, it's a very divided district.

What can I say?

Right, right.

Uh we've had four.

The last one was Washington Local Schools, the middle school, and that did stay at the plan commission until commissioner changed their vote.

Wow.

So well, so many curiosities have been solved, which thank you.

Uh council president Williams.

Thank you so much.

I'm so glad to see sheets before us again.

So again, as District 4 council person, I will tell you I have been doing some investigating.

Nobody's from Sheets, right?

In here, okay.

Well, we're gonna put it on the record, and when sheets does come in front of us, I'll say it again.

District four is ripe for the picking for sheeps.

We need a sheets.

I have no reason why we don't have a sheets, but I'm gonna read you some of the things that I got that are required from sheets.

Accessibility, utilities, parking, traffic.

It should average daily traffic should fall at or above eighteen thousand.

Uh average acre is two acres, and zoning.

We may have to waive some stuff, but I'm willing to do that.

Here we go.

We at the corner of Monroe in Detroit, the utilities can be done.

They're 1.5 acres right there at that right eight, and it's an extra little piece of acre over there that makes it two acres.

There the traffic is actually at one, I think on Monroe is like 17.7,000 traffic on Detroit Monroe going on Detroit.

And guess what?

On Monroe Street is 12,000.

D tron Detroit needs a sheets.

And they have no argument as to why they can't go there.

And they can go 24 hours with no one complaining.

There probably is no D restriction.

Sheets come to District 4, we welcome you.

Thank you.

Duly noted, thank you.

Before I begin, I do want to uh Officer Below, I would not be able to get a hold of him.

Uh he did mention that there is a tornado warning for Wood County.

So if you're a Wood County resident, just want to let you know there is a tornado warning, so please be very careful.

Councilman's round two?

Thank you.

Uh again, I I just want to clarify with attorney Stevens.

So if this matter obviously is going to go back to the Planning Commission, if again there's a two-two vote, then it does not come to us or it will come to us as no recommendation.

As of if it's a tie, they would have to take another vote on a motion to either proceed it forward, and that would have to um have a majority vote because that would be considered one of these other actions.

So that you could move it along, it would just have to be by the majority vote of the plan commission.

And in this case, there wasn't a second motion or any other action taken on the item aside from the failed vote.

Okay.

All right.

Thank you for the clarification.

Thank you, Mr.

Chair.

Thank you.

Councilman Meldon.

One more question.

And I was talking to my colleague here, Councilman Driscoll about this a little bit too.

How often do we have someone recuse themselves, only leaving us with four votes?

It's it happens maybe 20, 30 percent of the time.

So more than four times in the last 25 years.

Sure, sure.

So I I mean, it feels like there's two ways to solve that.

A um, you know, appoint people that don't have a reason to recuse themselves.

Which I know is like might sound like, oh yeah, great, but like how do you thread the needle of expertise, experience, and then like not being conflicted?

Or B do you can you expand the size of the group?

Um these are like structural changes, but I'm just in terms of the structural, um, I'm not going to address that, but I will say that um the law department is working with the plan commission right now to adjust the language in the TMC to permit them to have uh more options or allow them to write into their administrative rules further options for those TIE vote situations.

So currently, right now we're looking at amending the TMC to avoid these situations in the future, even though it doesn't happen all that often.

Yeah.

Well, I mean 20 to 30 percent of the time.

Twenty or thirty percent of the time where someone has to recuse themselves.

Not that it all results in a tie vote.

Gotta get it.

Because it could be three-one.

Any thoughts on how to avoid the recusal dynamic?

I think it's uh it's interesting because you said it right.

You we need the expertise there.

So we have a traffic engineer, we have an architect, we really need them on that board, but occasionally those are the two members that have to recuse.

Uh we have real estate attorney who's the chair, who sometimes has to recuse.

And I will say next year there are two members up, and they cannot be reappointed.

So it is an opportunity to maybe recruit from a different pool of candidates.

Does it have to be five people?

I believe, yes.

Uh I'm not certain.

It does.

Is that an ORC thing?

I'll have to check if it's from the Toledo zoning code going back to the ORC, but I can get you that.

Because I mean I you you could maybe handle some of that experience, and then also anyway.

Okay.

Interesting stuff.

I didn't really know much about this until this happened.

People are the, you know, everyone's asking me why did this happen?

What's going on?

It's unusual, sure.

Um, and we do, like I said, we do have two positions up next year.

Uh we're gonna start recruiting soon for those two members.

Okay, great.

Thank you.

Okay, Councilman Sarante.

Thank you, Mr.

Chair.

I I want to follow up on that.

Has the law department sat down with the members of the planning commission to explain to them that if they feel there's a conflict of interest, they need to consult with the law department to see if that exists, if there really is a question.

I know that I on occasion have consulted with the law department uh on issues before I vote to make sure there's not a conflict of interest.

Has that happened?

I am not familiar with that occurring, uh, but again, I'm not the head of the law department, so I can't speak for anything that might have come that didn't come to me.

Okay, well, I would recommend to the director of law that they um uh talk, you know, to the members of the commission and make them aware that they certainly are available to answer questions if they think there is a possible conflict of interest.

This might lower the amount of conflicts that we're having.

Twenty to thirty percent.

I agree with Councilman Meldon, that's a lot.

And you know, uh I think council is looking for strong opinions from the planning commission members, and as the director has indicated, they do have relevant experience, engineering, real estate, law, so forth.

So we'd be happy to work with the plan commission.

If you would pass that on to the law director, I think that would be very helpful.

Understood.

Thank you, Mr.

Chair.

Thank you, and I would like to recommend uh councilman Hops.

All right, um director, the floor is yours.

Um so you want me to go into item number seven here?

So the the most important thing is zoning code update.

We have I'm sorry.

I'm I'm sorry.

I I think we still have a motion on the floor, correct?

Seeing no objection, so approved.

So the zoning code update, we've narrowed it down to four candidates that are coming in for interviews on the 30th and the first, I believe.

Um we have scored the candidates.

Everyone on the steering committee has actually picked one person came, one company really came out on top, and but we are going to interview all four.

Um other than that, we've got a lot of studies going on.

We have the uh food overlay coming to you soon, group living coming to you soon.

Um retroactive uh COA certificates of appropriateness should be on our next agenda.

Uh data center study.

We're working on that.

Esther's got some interesting information on what other cities do, and I can get you a link next week.

Actually, Iowa is having a public hearing on changes to their codes to data center on how they how they approach developing data centers.

So I can get anyone that link if you want to sit in and watch that public hearing.

Um we're looking at easing some regulations on community rec active that makes uh people doing tutoring after school programs not have to come all the way through the SUP process.

Just makes that a little bit easier and reduces the number of special use permits we have so we can focus more on policy.

Um we're looking to relax the threshold for industrial commercial site plan reviews.

An addition of 800 square feet should not require a site to come all the way back through and have to put 200,000 back into their site when it's such a small addition.

Um then we have the light industrial zoning study, the rounds corner zoning study that we are working on.

Um we are working on a tax amendment for signage to relax those regulations a little bit just for when someone's reoccupying a building, they're not adding on, they're not changing the parking.

Do we really want to force them to replace a sign and add 30,000 to their site?

You know, it's not abandoned signs, it's just someone coming into an existing site.

What can we do to maybe facilitate them using that space without adding a significant amount of cost to it?

Um we are beginning to look at major street and highway plan and maybe street design, street guidelines.

Um we are we do have the door street overlay in-house right now.

Now I think the zoning code update is gonna go a long way to pushing that overlay forward.

But um we have a lot of exciting things right now.

A lot of we've got a new policy department, and they're they're moving forward, so um I will keep you updated.

But the zoning code is the the biggest biggest thing, and it's it's moving quickly.

So then, Madam Director, I just have one quick question um in terms of the code uh expectation and timeline.

I'm gonna say about 18 months.

Most of the consultants came in at about 18 months and about the same cost.

Um we do have a planner that we are able to hire through the pro housing grant for two years that will assist with that code update.

Um I did we consult it a little bit, we did talk about regular updates to this council from the consultant from us on the status of the zoning code update and the status of of community outreach.

Um we really want the consultant that's gonna get out and talk to the community and really sell this plan.

Um that's important to me.

So we're working on whatever we can do to get out to the community to present it.

Awesome.

That's great.

And as uh district rep, I said I would be more than happy to host uh district meetings as we get closer to unveil the uh the plan and would encourage my other fellow district members to do the same so we can get as much uh community feedback as possible.

Councilman Driscoll.

Thank you, Mr.

Chair.

I just want to say a couple of things.

Uh it'll be exciting.

I think once the work of the zoning code is completed because I think the first three cases on here probably wouldn't need to be cases before this body agreed, but wouldn't have to waste their time coming in.

Agreed.

Yeah, I'll that will solve that problem easily.

And I think that's uh we're definitely moving in the right direction there.

Um we got an email uh uh from a constituent about um how many gas stations have applied recently and and I think I think director control, I think you're copied.

Is it necessary to uh to conduct a study?

I don't feel like a moratorium is necessary because we already have the special use permit, so we can but do you do you feel like this is an area that you know is it necessary for us to study and um make recommendations about our code so I think the timing of it with the zoning code update starting so quickly, I'd rather wait.

I I think it will address the issue of gas stations, and right now we do have the process for the special uses.

We we have had a couple of brutal plan commission hearings.

Um no doubt about that, but um I just think that by the time we get the update done, the updates coming so quickly, the zoning code rewrite that we can handle it then.

Um I do know other communities have passed moratoriums and have looked at gas stations, and I apologize.

I haven't had a chance to dig into it too much, but um Dayton with their new zoning code update, Springfield, Troy, Ohio, they have all pursued moratoriums because gas stations have become an issue there.

Um but with the update coming so soon, I think we can handle it then.

Yeah, I think these uh large gas station changes are their chains are moving into Ohio, especially Southern Ohio.

So that's probably why those communities, all Southwest Ohio, are looking into it.

Um but it doesn't sound like it's necessary.

You stole my thunder though, Director Catrell, but a credit to you guys.

I uh the special use permit for uh community recreation is one that I was thinking whether or not we need to take a hard look at that.

Uh that's another one that sometimes feels unnecessary, but I'm glad you guys are taking a look at that.

Thank you.

We we want to amend that one.

We want to look at daycares to not require every daycare to come in under special use.

We think a lot of the special uses can be handled as site plan reviews, yeah.

Bring up the planners for policy, and another one is is major urban agriculture.

Maybe taking that out as well.

Yeah, I couldn't agree more.

Thank you very much, Director.

Great idea.

Uh Councilman Gaddis.

Thank you.

Um this is for the director as well off of uh councilman Driscoll.

One of the things we had um I worked with um Councilman Hobbes and uh President Williams on was the legislation around um our gas stations and carryouts being clean and and fitting in.

Well uh as we had an update last year, um many of these new gas stations are mega, and so they no longer fit the definition of our carryouts, therefore they not they're not held to the same standards or certification process, which I think is really important.

Is there any um do you have any recommendations on us adding a mega so buildings outside of what we had seen before in order to incorporate them into that legislation?

Um what are your thoughts on that?

So I I think that we'd need a little bit more time on the sheets, the cases, the the larger uh gas stations to see how they comply with our site plan review.

Are we are still working on licensing, you know?

We have 200 convenience stores that we're trying to bring into compliance.

It's it's been a tough road.

Um I would just request maybe a little bit more time to see if they keep their their sites clean, um compliant, but it's certainly we could raise the square footage of convenience store to pull those under licensing if that's what this council feels is best.

I think that might be fair.

I've heard from many other convenience store owners that had previously have one that doesn't feel that it's that it's an even, you know, that everybody's being treated equally.

So I I would love to see some language around that so that we can incorporate those larger as they're getting larger and larger, they should still encompass our same uh codes and um licensing.

So you're looking for the licensing to to include anything above 5,000 square feet.

Maybe we could go up to maybe 8,000 to catch the sheets, the KCs.

Yes, I I I think that would only be fair uh and a standard.

I'd love to see a standardized uh use for regardless of size.

Okay.

Thank you.

Councilman Sarantu.

Thank you.

Uh you know, uh there are I am told I'm not verified this yet, uh, but there's a there is about 350 gas stations in the city of Toledo, maybe even Lucas County.

But uh I'm told that uh that some information indicates that we only need about a half of that, 150, 160.

So I think we we really need to think about a possible moratorium on gas stations because uh I I just see so many around.

And uh, you know, I mean, how much money can they make if there are so many gas stations?

Is it really worth it?

Then we then they get abandoned, you know, then we end up like with the drugstore chains, you know, empty buildings, and uh it's hard to hard to fill those.

So I I think we need to at least think about a possible uh moratorium on gas stations.

And I agree, I I think raising the square footage to 10,000 makes a lot of sense because it is a question of fairness.

We have a lot of local people that own uh these stations, and they they do pay a price, and they uh are you know uh their expenses are out there and the margins on gasoline are not that high, uh, much like the grocery business.

So I just think we need to really think very seriously about that.

Thank you.

Thank you, Mr.

Chair.

And I can as well get you the information on what Dayton and Springfield and Troy have done because they've all addressed this issue.

So give me a few days and I can email everybody that that information.

Oops.

And then I just had one more item that I had forgotten.

Um I do have a planner, Dana Rising working on our adult business code at the request of councilwoman Morris.

Um we actually have found she actually found that licensing, which is held up through litigation, has reduced their number of of adult businesses to zero.

Um it's held up.

It's it it doesn't it doesn't affect any litigation that we've had.

You know, we have to provide via zoning a certain amount of land that's available to adult businesses, but the licensing, which requires the business, the employees and their spouses to be up on their taxes, is seems to be the way to control this use a little bit.

Um it's something we've really just started getting into, and it's it's an interesting study.

And like I said, we met with Cincinnati's legal council.

There you have zero.

So it appears to have been effective there.

It's a possible study you'll see.

Well, you'll you'll definitely see the results soon.

It's gonna take us a few months, so we have any um upcoming um retomic expiration dates or anything that we should be aware of.

We have the historic building moratorium, and we are working on um RFP went out, is going out today, or I'm sorry, this week for local landmark designation consultants.

Okay, and when does that um expire?

Uh I think end of April.

Um I'd have to get that date.

Okay, is that sufficient time?

Do we need to extend it?

I would leave that.

It's not enough time for us to get the designations done.

Oh I will defer to Councilwoman Gaddison how she'd like to proceed.

Um, okay.

Anything else?

All right.

We're through all the cases, seeing no other business before this committee meeting adjourned.