If I'm just reading for you, I have the time.

I represent a number of there.

I got it.

It's right here.

Okay, you're done.

I want it to know, you're one of the most key.

A key will give me a lot of people.

Okay, okay, okay.

Excuse me.

Good morning.

I have a call because I'll order coins.

I have no idea.

Before we get started, it looks like a lot of people have um signed in up front, but if you do plan on speaking today, um, please just sign in and then um after you sign in and before speaking, um, she'll ask you to raise your right hand and be sworn in.

Um, we're on record, just wanted to call it out before we get started, but uh with that um like to call to order the hearing of the administrator board of zoning appeals.

At this time, I would request that the staff be sworn in.

Do you swear everything they're about to say is true to the best of your knowledge?

Yes.

Mr.

Secretary, would you please call the role of the members present to determine if we have a quantum?

Chrissy Soncrant.

Here.

Julie Randalls.

Here.

Here, Craig?

Here.

Here.

We have a quorum.

We have all right.

Uh, Mr.

Secretary, please read the first case.

BCA case number twenty-six dash zero zero zero zero two.

David Cash.

Forty three thirty-three Jackman Road.

Zoning is RD six.

Applicant requesting maintain as installed in an enlarged rear yard garage encroaching on the property line.

This is the second rehearing for it from last appeal board.

Thank you.

Is anybody in attendance?

Uh want to please come forward and speak.

Morning.

State your name, address, and raise your hand if you're not please.

David Cash, 4333 Jackman Road, Tle Ohio, 43612.

Yes.

Is this your is this your property?

Yes, it is.

Okay.

And yeah, I guess hear a little bit of background on what uh what you're asking for.

I think we have a good idea, but just kind of want to hear.

Uh well, the garage was falling down back there.

It was pretty rotted, and it's you know, it's been there 30 years I've been there, and I believe the house was built back in the 30s, so it was leaking, leaning to the left, and uh I just decided to go ahead and add on to it and remodel it.

And I did not get a permit like I probably should have.

Uh didn't actually know I needed that, but that's that's about where I'm at.

Okay.

You built it yourself.

Yes.

Okay.

Um I got a question.

Uh so no one helped you do it at all.

Um with it, you didn't have a contractor out at all.

No.

Okay.

Just me and my friends.

And how much do we know how much larger is it than from the original?

Uh I believe it's 18 feet larger than the original, 18 by 20 is what I put in to add on.

I left the original part of the back wall and part of the side wall, and just went from there.

We actually have it at 28 by 20, right?

Am I right?

Uh yeah, the whole thing, yes.

Okay, so it's yes.

You added 18 to it.

Yes, I just were to approve this, would he need to pull like a permit?

He would need to pull permit and then probably do some wall wall rating on it.

So you might have to do some siding, or you might have to uh try to come up with an alternative method for fireproofing it on the one the walls that are on the property line.

Um it would be on the inside and the outside.

The inside obviously would probably be a little bit easier.

Um, but you'll have to work with our staff.

It might meet, it might not meet as you did it, but we don't until we get further from this, we it'll take a minute to figure that out.

Okay.

Would you kind of oblige all of those?

Uh yes, if necessary, yes.

Whatever it takes to get uh get it taken care of.

Okay.

I mean, I've got uh several letters from all the neighbors side by side behind me, everything.

Uh nobody has a problem with it.

It's uh looks a whole lot better than what it did.

I have a question um for you.

Um I'm glad that um you're able to do it, and I probably need to get in touch with you because I need no, I'm joking.

I can't even get in one.

Um the only the only issue that I would have is that um if we uh approved um how big it is, other people in the neighborhood may feel like that is okay to do it as well.

Um I would just um that would be my only concern with um allowing it.

Um, but I I I mean I'm okay with you building the garage, it's just we got to make sure we follow the rules.

Um, because uh unfortunately when it comes to this stuff, um not knowing is not really uh the excuse that we can take.

Um I would definitely uh I I definitely have uh I've read through it uh everyone and you got some good neighbors that were willing to uh help hear you out.

Um, but I want to make sure that we uh always do was right by the whole neighborhood as well.

So though I just wanted to voice those concerns for the record.

I just have one question.

I want to be sure.

So the shed that was there, has that been removed.

And that's what I assumed, but I wanted to make sure you just had your garage.

Just as bad as the garage.

So yes.

Looks like there's a gentleman behind and would like to speak.

All these guys are here, one of them are my neighbors, and one's that helped me do some work to it.

So if you'd like to hear from them, yes.

Yeah, if they would like to speak, we would like to give them a chance to speak.

Thank you.

Good morning.

Hi, uh, I'm Tom Mackin, general counsel for Lucas Much Pond Housing Authority.

Our property is behind 4330 Garden Park.

Uh we believe the property may the new addition may encroach onto onto our property.

That property is also part of a declaration of trust owned by HUD.

So I have no authority to waive or allow somebody to build onto my property.

So uh LMH unfortunately uh we appreciate that he was repairing uh condition that needed to be fixed from the garage, but uh we are not able to support this in any way and cannot allow the encroachment onto our property.

Have there been any surveys that would determine we we have not been able to we just found out about this when the notice came out.

Uh we don't have any opposition necessarily to it being close to the property line uh and wait and getting his own waiver towards that, but we can't have it on our property.

If that survey should be done, uh we believe that he should do it, and we would certainly comply with any of the results of that.

That's all I have.

Thank you.

So there's no objections to the the building itself, it's just where it's located, is really what your yeah, yes.

We the building was an improvement from the existing structure that was uh, but it looks from our information that is encroached the addition encroaches on to our property line.

So they if he verifies that it's on his property or we wouldn't have objection to it.

We would not oppose any uh waiver.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Thank you.

My name is Rosetta Lynch.

I'm neighboring property um next to him.

Um he's making the repairs.

Sorry, excuse me.

Oh, I'm sorry, 4329 Jackman Road.

Do you square your house to invest in your doll?

Yes, I do.

Okay, there has been no problem.

He's just making improvements to the property, and actually I think it's a good thing because most neighborhoods need that nowadays with all the deteriorating properties.

So with um us residing next door, we approve um of the at you know the fixing up of the of the garage and of his property, and I just wanted to state that for him as well, because I'm all about fixing up the neighborhoods, getting everything taken care of, having a great Toledo instead of having you know more deteriorating properties, which I know is a major problem in Toledo.

So I'm for anybody trying to fix up their property, whether it encroaches or not, I'm for it.

So I just wanted to state for the record.

Thank you.

Okay.

Uh is it someone else speaking?

Um we're at a little bit of a dichotomy because uh we can't we legally can't allow it to encroach on anyone else's property.

So it's in the same spot it was in when the old one was there.

It has not moved back.

What's nothing?

We have to verify that legally though.

I understand that, but it's on the same concrete slab that was there.

We we cannot and like we're I don't think yeah, we're not legally allowed if if somebody is stating that that you're encroaching on their property, and you may or you may not be we we don't know that definitely not and if but if we don't know that for a hundred percent then um I I think it would be I I don't think we should vote on it.

I I think we need to defer to a certain yeah, we need to do yeah.

I guess what what is that process look like?

It's provided to us.

Uh we're not making a decision today.

We've got to have people from the building department would not be allowed.

From the building department standpoint, we couldn't even approve you until this is rectified now.

Um because the problem is if it is on there, I could we couldn't even give you a a firewall at that point because there's memes in with a firewall.

So this needs to be definitely addressed before we can move forward on any any approvals.

I'll have to figure out what I need to do for that.

Um because like I say, it is definitely on the same concrete slab that was in if you purchase the house and you your bank has uh they have a a mortgage survey and might show that on there or might note it on there.

So if you have the packet, may be able to provide get into that and provide it.

Okay, the bank typically has a copy of it, so call them up and see if you can get that.

I will absolutely do that.

Your your title company as well should have a survey on this.

Um they may show the building and the lines as well.

I um not every not through every sale process do they do uh a title survey, but I I would imagine title has a survey of some sort that you could look at it, maybe confirm without actually having to hire a surveyor.

Yeah, well, somebody told me I had to do that in the beginning, and uh they wanted eighteen hundred dollars to come over to and do that.

And it's and it's still on the same slab.

So yeah, we not we're not defuting that that's what you believe, but we can't move forward with it because of those lines.

So I understand.

So I will get uh uh a survey of whatever I get through the bank, like the gentleman there said, and uh see what I could do from there, and um I'm assuming contact you guys back or provide it by email to us or um work with the neighbor on it or whatever you guys come up with.

Okay, I will do that.

Thank you very much.

And this hearing will be moved till next month.

Pardon me.

This hearing will be postponed until next month.

Okay, so I'll just unless you were able to get it by then we'll that's the plan.

Okay, thank you.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Yeah, do we need a motion?

Yes, I move that we defer um until we can receive a survey.

I'll second Christy Soncrant.

Are we gonna vote?

Okay.

All in favor of sign by saying aye.

Aye.

There we go.

Mr.

Secretary, please read the next case.

BZA keys number 26-0008.

Elizabeth Bradshaw location is 3342 Central Avenue.

Applicant requests a building height variance of 9.8 feet over the maximum load height of 35 feet.

Uh good morning, board members.

Um, my name's Elizabeth Bratcha.

I'm here representing Texporting Goods.

Um, for the address previously stated, uh, 3342 West Central Avenue.

Uh, we're seeking a variance uh to raise our building height um by roughly 10 feet, a little bit under 10 feet.

Um, I'm sorry.

Yes.

Um we have planned construction of 120,000 square feet.

Uh about a hundred thousand square feet of that building will be a two-story building, and then the adjacent 20,000 square feet will be a single story building.

Um there'll be two separate entrances for this location.

So we are seeking the variants for the single level portion uh where the code has it called out as a 35 foot height restriction.

We'd like to excuse me, take uh the center entry feature up to 449 there.

Uh believe it's gonna create some visual continuity between the two-level building, the single open building, and then the adjacent single level tenants next to us.

Looks like planning commission suggested we approve this and is supportive of I guess does anybody else have any questions?

Well, they're um we're actually looking at doing some amendments to the sign code as well to help with this problem.

So we may have some few before we fit a few months before we can fix it, but I'm good with it.

I guess does anybody else in a tenants want to speak?

Um if not, should this variance be approved?

Chrissy Sonic.

Yes, Vince Williams?

Yes, Julie Randall's?

Yes.

Yes.

Yeah, NAFK.

Yes, variance is been able to motion approved.

All right, thank you very much.

Yep, thank you.

BZ case number 26-0009, 2953 LC Avenue.

Zoning is RS6.

State your name for the record.

Tobias Papa, 2953 LC 43613.

Are you sorry if you're having to say street investor knowledge?

Yes.

Uh want me to explain everything or yes.

Uh some whatever background you would like to give an additional.

Uh my driver was 12 feet over the years.

I've been living there.

Get out and get down to the grass.

So I figured we can just widen it out so we can just back in and get out onto concrete.

Well, uh put this in uh October of 2024.

And uh it kind of turned into my garage.

I couldn't get into it because there's a carport.

So rather than parking individually, my actual car parked parks perfectly site next to my wife's, so we can go in and out.

Be that as it may, I didn't pull a permit anyway to do this.

I did not know this.

Um I came up.

Uh there was a complaint about it a year later, but in any case, um, you know, I did it, I did everything right.

I called 811, there was no no lines underneath it.

Um measured everything, I shot it in.

I did everything you're supposed to because I've been an iron worker for 28 years now, and uh I kind of I know how everything kind of flows with water too.

So I made everything correct.

Um I I don't I didn't see anything problem with it until uh one of our neighbors uh might have complained about it saying I didn't pull a permit.

Understandable because I didn't know that.

So I came up, talked to a few people about permits, uh signed up for this, and uh here we are.

So I don't mind paying a fine or anything, but um I brought my neighbor as a witness saying it's it kind of helps out the neighborhood, but it really instead of parking on grass if I needed to, but other than that, it's I don't see any problem with it in my mind.

But in the future, I did talk to uh the young lady up there in the permit area for doing more work on my house.

Now I know I did not know.

So any case, that's what I'm I'm here for.

How much what on the if I'm looking at your your house on the right side of the um driveway?

How much space is there in between that and the property line?

About 12 to 10 inches at the grass because uh years ago, because that was my grandfather's house, so they did a survey, and that's why they have a line and a brand new sidewalk.

So I went off that sidewalk and the fence line, and there's enough for my lawnmower.

So really it's probably more than a foot, but I call it a foot, so we can uh you know, there's a thing of grass that I go down.

Um it doesn't like I said, uh I shot it in so the water goes my way and comes down towards the street.

So it you know, I anything like that, and I did all my cut lines, you know.

So, you know, and I embedded it, dialed it next to my impeding or in my existing driveway.

So um, to be honest with you, uh it actually looks nice.

I don't know if there's pictures on it, but to me I think it looks like uh other than that, um yeah, I I don't know the rules on it, but I did read um that if it goes all the way to the back, which it it can if you look down the driveway.

Like if I if I make it so that the sidewalk goes or again, not sidewalk, but the extent widening of it, it goes all the way to the back, it can actually go back to my uh garage that's detached from my house on the back side of my house.

So be that as it may, it can actually make it a walkway all the way to the back yard, also if needed.

I have a question for Plan Commission.

Had the permit been pulled.

Hi.

Had the permit been pulled, would are there any issues with the 20 foot or uh 20 inch adjacency to the property line?

Yes.

Okay, so your driveway has to lead to um a garage.

So as he said, if he had um extended it all the way to the back of the house leading to a garage, that would be permitted.

Okay.

The issue right now is he is widening it solely for the purpose of parking.

Yeah, which is not permitted.

Okay, yeah.

That's what I was gonna ask because um when you look at the picture that we got from Aries, a car is actually parked on it.

Yes, absolutely.

And I said that absolutely it turned into me parking next to my wife so she can get out.

But actually, this summer I'm parking my car in a garage, but that's neither here nor there.

Um if you need me to, I can make that walkway or widening all the way to my garage, and I have no problem doing that.

We and I would have to pull a permit, obviously.

Um but since you have an overhang you you wouldn't really be able to take advantage of of the extension because the you're on, or I don't know what you call it.

It's a it's a carport.

The carport, sorry.

Yeah, yeah, because the carport would be right in the middle of the extension, you wouldn't really be able to use it.

You wouldn't really be able to use it.

No, you'd have three feet.

If you look at it, it's there's three feet you can walk all the way through.

I'll be honest with you, yeah, because I can actually put garbage cans there.

And so those are what this wide.

So if you're and you said you're willing to go ahead and examine it.

I'm absolutely willing to do that.

Absolutely.

But you cannot also pave all the way to your property line.

It has to be set back.

So do you have enough room on the side?

Oh, yes.

I have a gate that opens up right there, goes right through to my back.

So if you're looking at my house and there's the carport on the right side where the where that widening is, is actually a gate that's to the property line, and it opens up and I can make it all the way through to the to the bank.

I think before determining that it's better if you submit an approval um an application that is determined, everything is measured to be sure.

I can actually because right now I cannot tell.

Okay, I can absolutely do that.

I actually drew a picture also.

I thought I'd draw through one.

Yes, we have it.

Okay.

Yeah, it should be.

But I can uh the carport, I can actually draw, I can draw if you need to.

Are you the way?

Oh, thank you.

Okay, yeah, I'm sorry.

At that point, would we even need to approve a variance if he's going to extend it all the way back to the garage?

Yeah, if he's going to extend it all the way back and he has enough room for it, then he doesn't need a variance.

Yeah.

So should we maybe pump this until we it's determined that a variance is actually needed?

Yes.

Okay.

Do we need to have a motion to do that?

All right.

So motion to defer.

I second.

All right.

What what are we doing?

You're gonna you're gonna um come up with a site plan that shows that extension, and you're gonna submit it to plan commission.

Plan commission.

Yes.

According to the appropriate processes in order to obtain a permit.

Okay.

Should all that go through, you won't see us again.

Well, I mean, guys are nice.

I mean uh Teresa here.

It doesn't look like a job.

Okay.

But uh okay, I'll uh I'll take care of that.

That's no problem.

Um would you like it on like a on a file or would you like it?

How would you recognize it?

You can send it to yourself.

Yeah, okay.

Okay, perfect.

So we're good then till I get that.

Yeah, we're essentially not going to vote on the variance because there's a potential that you won't need one if you're going to extend it all the way back.

Perfect.

I appreciate you guys.

Yep, thank you.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Oh, there are C MA S.

Thank you.

The last one.

Mr.

Secretary, please read the final case.

BC 26-00010 Linda Parra.

1411 Broadway Street zoning is already six.

Good morning.

What one at a time?

Um, I am the founder principles of Notre Gente Community Projects.

Can you speak into the microphone, please?

My name is Linda Barra.

I am the founder and president of Nuestra Gente Community Projects, a Latino organization serving Lucas Continent for more than 18 years.

And um here about saying that.

Thank you.

So um kind of please state your case.

So it looks like you're asking.

Excuse me.

You don't need me to be able to we would like to read all our statements or points why we would like to uh put a six foot fence in a we're a community center.

Okay.

If you allow us, okay.

We are here with some members who are uh community center.

I'm sorry, Linda's asked me to read this so that you can understand clearly what what's each one, yeah.

Yep, I guess yes, please.

A Delphina Zapata 2632 Grantwood Drive.

He's already here about St.

Street about now.

Yes.

Okay.

Yeah, okay.

Uh request to install a six-foot fence in the front yard setback.

Um, and these are the reasons uh why we would like that to happen.

Uh installing a fence on our community center will provide several practical and social benefits.

Um one enhance security and asset protection, a six-foot fence acts as a formidable barrier against unauthorized access, vandalism, and theft deterring trespassers from accessing the property after hours.

It helps protect valuable outdoor equipment, outdoor furnishings, received donations, and landscape areas against theft or vandalism.

It will also help prevent the continuous flow of vehicles cutting through our parking lot to get from one street to another.

Did you want to say that?

Yeah, one of the reasons why we're pointing this uh point is because we collect donations for our families, and then um when I am with my volunteers, uh we bring donations in our van.

Sometimes there are more to go and pick it up back and forth.

So we lift the donations in our parking lot, and then we go and get the second rate, and then when we have everything, so now we we'll move everything inside the building.

So what happened is uh sometimes when we put those donations in the parking lot for an hour or two when we came back, they're not there.

So um, another thing is a couple years ago, uh somebody was almost killed in the neighborhood right by our parking lot, and this person has life um injuries now.

So the police came to us and asked for our video cameras to sell the case.

And so we provide information, we give access to the police to watch the cameras, and they were able to resolve the case and find out and find the people who did it against this person.

So we collaborate with the authority.

Um during the day, there are so many cars passing by.

And um we have so many cracks on our paving, uh big trucks and our pavement.

Sorry, it's not a my primary language, Spanish is the one.

So we have a lot of crosses in our parking lot.

Sometimes big trucks park on our parking.

Construction companies are working on the area, um, city, uh city trucks.

So we have a lot of cracks in our parking uh paviment in order to put a new pavement, it costs us 80,000.

So we want to protect our parking lot in this way too.

Um there are some activities there during the day, you know, from one car to another.

Um day I came to the parking, and it was a car with two young couples inside, and they were doing something, and then I say, What are you guys doing?

And then as soon as they saw me, they just flew the parking lot.

So there are so many things that are happening in our parking lot, and as a community center, we want to keep it safe for our families, for our seniors, for the community that we serve, and also um it's gonna help us in different ways, but we were gonna continue to read the ballots why we want to do it.

Okay, um, safety for vulnerable groups and programs.

Our organization hopes hosts community programs serving children, so seniors and those needing supervised care.

A six-foot fence will create a safe, contained and secure designated area where children can play and pets can run freely without the risk of wandering into the street or onto nearby prop uh neighboring properties.

It also prevents children playing in our parking lot from being struck by the continuous traffic or other vehicles passing through, um, reducing liability risks, uh privacy.

A six-foot fence provides a privacy screen from prying eyes and nosy streets, fostering a more peaceful environment for community events, meetings, or outdoor activities, uh potential insurance savings, many insurers offer lower premiums or discounts for property with secure fencing as it reduced the risk uh profile for burglary and trespassing claims, liability risks, uh liability risk mitigation, uh, six-foot fence would reduce the risk of accidents and subsequent legal liability for the community organization, property boundary clarity, a six-foot fence will help avoid disputes with neighbors and prevents accidental encroachments, access control and property definition.

The six-foot fence will create clear boundary that prevents people from using the property as cut through, thereby reducing loitering and illegal dumping, while defining where public land ends and the nonprofit private space begins.

Also, a six-foot fence will help avoid disputes with neighbors and prevent accidental encroachments.

I think we said that already.

Um maintained fence can significantly uh increase the market value of the nonprofits' real estate assets and projects, projects an image of well-managed caring organization to the surrounding area.

Projects an image of well-managed carrying organization to the surrounding area.

Yes.

So another issues uh we had um is a lot of people comes to our parking lot and they do parties without overauthorization, people from the neighborhood.

Uh let's say, for example, the 4 of July.

Um, every 4 of July, we had neighbors again and bring their barbecues and may party there without our authorization.

When it comes to midnight, they start doing fireworks in um in our parking lot.

I had the videos here that if you wanna take a look.

They do a lot of fireworks in our parking lot, and also they uh I have a video for it where those people are shooting fireworks to the building, to the roof of the building.

So we wanna prevent all um those issues.

We want to protect our building, and we wanna mark our property line for the community center.

Uh it's gonna help us reduce a liability issues.

Um, and um prevent any accidents inside our parking lot, protecting our uh protecting our organization against any liability.

Sometimes uh when we bring families to pick donations in our parking lot, keeps our plane there on the parking, and then we have those cars crossing from the alley to Wall Bridge, back and forth, so we have to be watching the kicks and um so there is a lot of going on in a daily basis in that parking lot, and we wanna protect the building organization, the families that we serve.

I have a question.

Um so um there's an alley right there in the back.

In the back, yeah.

Okay.

Um yeah, I'm I'm good with the fence, it's just the height, um, causes problems with traffic in the front part of the church.

Um, I think Plan Commission could kind of tell you, like I think you can put the six-foot fence in the alley and then put a fence in the front, but it can't be six feet because of the traffic concerns.

But plan commission can tell you.

For the front.

You're talking about the front.

Yeah, because uh we put I didn't mention this.

We plant some flowers on the front, beautiful colorful flowers.

Um we got a beautiful flower pot, concrete ones that I put block on us, and then I put the mud and then I put the flowers.

Yes, we have a beautiful entrance for over food pantry because we had a full pantry that people come every week, and uh they were gone in two days.

Yeah, that's why I said I'm cool, I'm good with the fence, it's just the height.

Um we can put the four in the front and then um the seat on the back.

If you if it's if you guys allow us.

Let's have plan commission review with you on your site plan what you know what uh zoning would approve.

It will be a beautiful fence, really nice one.

The point here is in the back, you you're asking for a six-foot fence, right?

Yes, in the back.

You can do that without our approval.

In the front portion of the property, you can build a three and a half foot fence without our approval.

Um is that would that be would you would you be okay?

Yeah, can we do the also to align with the back the six-foot in the front too?

That's the permit.

That's what we would have to vote on, but I'm just letting you know what you could do without our our approval.

But if if that's something you would like to ask us for, we can vote on that.

Um but just wanted like I guess clarify that.

But I don't know if you're not gonna do that.

Yeah, we want to plant flowers, you know, beautiful flowers and have it there.

I mean, make it beautiful gardening so people don't steal the flowers.

It happens already, so planning commission want to say anything further.

No, I'll get okay.

All right, you want to do that.

I can see from your site plan that your intent is also to secure it with gates, correct?

Yes, for security.

Yeah, we want to prevent uh any liability risks.

We have insurance in the building.

Okay, yeah, and so you're clear that what would be approved without a variance would be that your exact layout just in the front, three and a half feet, and then on the side.

No wall bridge, wall bridge would have to be three and a half feet too because yeah, it's on the ball.

Because that's a freeway and wallbridge.

Yes.

But then 90 degree back and along the alley could be six.

Correct.

Would that you could still have your gates, so it could still be secured.

You could still have a full fence surrounding it.

There would just be a you know a small uh shorter height along Wallbridge and Broadway.

Is that amenable to you?

For the gay um wall bridge, because we had an entrance in Wall Bridge.

Yes.

Can that gay be six?

Not without a variance.

And and I guess you know, it might be worth just sort of explaining why these heights are important.

Um with regard to traffic flow and pedestrians and safety outside that fence, but if you wanted to that, when you look at Wallbridge, everything is it's open, it's green space.

Putting up a fence changes the whole character of the neighborhood.

So if you want something taller, we cannot do that because it changes the whole look of the neighborhood.

You can do something shorter in the front.

Is that okay?

Okay.

I hope there's we just want to cut the flowers too.

It's okay.

Oh we are okay with that.

If you are okay with it, three and a half foot, you don't need a variance.

Yeah.

What are you thinking?

Can be four.

Forty-two inches.

It'd be three and a half feet.

42 inches, three and a half feet.

What do you think?

I need to speak.

Yep.

Yeah, please.

The gentleman behind you wants to speak on this case.

Um, I'm I'm in a case of payment.

So yeah, please please come back.

Yeah, he can speak.

We'll uh I name David Mosley.

I own the please speak into the name's David Losi.

I own the house at 627, 629 Wallbridge through Lance B LLC.

Yep.

Do you spread with you're about to say it's true to less of your knowledge?

Uh yes, I do.

Uh yeah, I I bought this uh duplex or townhouse is built in the late 1800s.

I bought it uh about 33 years ago.

Uh I did put it into uh Department of Neighborhoods housing rehab program and completely rebuilt it at that time it was vacant.

Um and since that time we've had other rehabs done on it just recently, HSI Historical South Initiative, uh put a roof on it through a donation of mine.

And um so it's it's been mine for quite some time.

Uh unfortunately, if you look at it from an aerial view at one point in time that there's a curb cut that actually is on the it would be on the church property, if you will, but it's right adjacent to mine.

My tenants park there once in a while.

There was a house set there.

It was, I don't know, it's probably been 50 years ago, 40 years ago, and the church apparently when it was a full congregation took it over, and they got the parking area, which makes it difficult for my building because of limited parking space on that side of it.

We do utilize the part of her parking lot, and I've had no problems with her as far as a neighbor.

I don't think she's had any problems with me either.

I've never been contacted.

But uh I'm I'm more opposed.

I mean, obviously a four and a half foot fence, it's the code.

I can't, you know, dispute it.

Somebody wants to put a four and a half foot fence up, but as you go down Broadway, you see very few six-foot fences.

I think there's a car lot with a six-foot fence.

Uh I think there's a union hall closer to the expressway that's got a six-foot fence.

I don't see any six-foot fences up and down Wallbridge.

I don't see any down uh Broadway.

Yeah.

Um I think it would be kind of a institutional hard look for that street that was just redone.

Um you know, as far as trucks parking there, I'm sure there's probably a lunch hour people park there, all that activity that was taking place on um Broadway over the last two years.

I'm sure everybody in a world park there, you know, it's convenient, you know.

Unfortunately, she had to deal with the brunt of it.

I think they may have put a new approach in after they were done, didn't they?

Or did you guys have to put that into your parking lot?

You mean anyways, I mean during the construction, it might be a new parking lot.

Yeah, there's a lot of construction activity.

And I mean, looks a lot nicer, but I'm sure they parked there.

I know they did.

Um, but um basically that's all I have to say about it.

I mean, it's it it it affects the value of my property, especially if you go up to six foot fence or or thereabouts.

Um I don't even like fences, period, but unfortunately, most of the properties I own, I end up having to put a fence around them too, 42 inch fence, or I call them four footers, but uh just the way it is.

Um I don't really have any knowledge of what type of foot other than six foot.

I mean, they make six foot stockade fences, they make six foot this kind of fence and that kind of fence.

So that has a big bearing on what my opinion would be also.

I mean, uh, you know, are you gonna put stockade panels up, or you're gonna put you know, dog ear fences up, or you're gonna put a uh a wire fence up with it weave through so you can't see through it all.

I mean, I don't think it's necessarily good never to see what's on the other side of the fence either.

Um that's just my situation, I guess.

It's it's it's I can't say it encumbers, but it affects my runability of my building.

Um as far as if I want to work on it, um the on that side of it, the fence that's there.

I don't know when they got that divided off.

The fence that's there is actually so close to my porch, you can't even work on it.

You have to go out in the parking lot and lean it up.

I don't know whenever it got split to allow that parking lot to take up that much room where their house was once there.

Um I mean who knows what codes were what people did back then.

We none of us do.

I understand that, but it makes it difficult for me to have a tall fence along there to work on the side of the building.

Um but other than that, I mean I I don't know.

I mean, he's got a beautiful building there.

I really never seen anybody utilizing the interior of it though, do they?

We do.

You do for what storage?

We storage donations, and every week, two days a week, we have families coming and pick up donations.

She's in the process of remodeling and we're on the process of remodeling the whole building.

Yeah, so so is it so.

What do you have utilities on in the do you have any utilities on it?

Yes.

We had a wecker city.

Electry.

It's a shame that you can't get some sort of funding to put the place back together to look like a castle that it is.

But I don't know how you're gonna, you know, that takes a lot of money.

You got it does take a lot of money.

I mean, uh, is that a slate roof on that building?

We had a slate roof.

We had uh uh 150,000 approved into the roof of the case.

So we're we just needed it.

No, we appreciate the comments and um definitely I think we all hear it's it's it's more or less about the fence height than anything.

I mean, I can't stop somebody putting the fence up.

I mean, she owns the property, just that I know that six-foot fence is not necessarily uh look at would need a variance, and I think to go beyond what is it?

Uh the front back of your building.

I don't think you I think anything in front of well, I I'm not sure somebody would know the code much better than me.

Uh as far as we have the code expert, the city code experts up here with us, and they've given us a lot of information here.

Yeah, but yeah, really appreciate the the comments.

Um thanks for coming.

Yep, thank you.

Thank you.

So currently there is a four feet fence on his property on that side of the building.

And Wall Ridge.

And then um, we just want to make it two more feet.

Um that's all that we're asking on that side.

Yes, so um, and then we're we we're what we're trying to do is um beautify the neighborhood, put in the beautiful flowers in our building, try to bring that church building to life again as a community center, and it's so beautiful when we see people coming in and getting what they need, um donations that we provide in food to our food pantry.

So we are uh in the process of renewing the building.

We just see the roof, we got some grant money, we apply for another ground money on the federal level that is approved.

Uh, we're on the process to get it to do water lines and new electricity lines, and also um uh heating and air conditioning newer.

So we're working on it.

We want to bring that beautiful building to life again and bring that beautiful building purpose again to Sarah community that is right in the neighborhood.

Thank you.

Thank you.

We appreciate your support.

Thank you so much.

Uh and they also forgot to mention for the three and a half that you guys um propose.

Can we make an variance for four?

Just a little bit more.

I I think it's gonna be looked at through the same lens with a four-foot or a six-foot fence.

There when we when each of these come in, you have to provide hardship.

Um there's requirements that meet those hardship, and um I it's really for us to determine whether or not a four or six foot variance um, like if there's hard if there's any hardship that would like allow for that variance.

But uh I I don't want to speak for the rest of the board, but I think it would be viewed in the same way.

Um it's not necessarily that it's four or six, it's that it's over the allotted, and they're maybe and there's probably you know the hardship is really for us to determine up here, and I think it's just gonna look at the same way, but I guess I'll pause there.

I think uh you know, should this I think we're all ready to vote.

Um Mr.

Secretary, should this variance be approved?

Chrissy Soncrant?

No.

Denise Williams?

No.

Julie Randalls?

No.

No.

Nathan Epic.

No.

So a six-foot fence has not been approved for the streets, Wallbridge or Broadway.

That will need to be three and a half, but three and a half, okay.

Yeah, all right.

The other the other um lengths of your fence can be six.

All right.

Appreciate it.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Thank you so much.

Do we have any minutes we need to approve from last week?

Yes.

Uh is there any changes or corrections to those minutes from uh February 23rd?

I don't see any.

Okay.

All uh all people get.

You guys can you guys are free to go if you if you would like.

Yep.

Thank you.

Thank you, appreciate it.

Thank you.

Are we um motion to accept the meeting?

I second all favor signal by saying aye.

Hi.

Someone took the sign-in sheet.

See, she has I think she has it in her hand.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Like it was on 13.

Oh, yeah, everyone knows about it.

Yeah.

Yeah, because I was where we were with the mall.

How the mall was gonna take that.

Because I'm I'm assuming they're moving out of the mall when they do that.

Yes.

Yeah.

Oh well.

So I thought that's why they they're the ones that made the announcement on it.

They opened up down the street.

I just want to know when we can get a top golf until you know.

There's not enough people.