0:35Yeah, that makes confusing.
1:42I call to order the Transportation Committee meeting for Toledo City Council for Wednesday, April 22nd, 2026.
1:49Clerk, please call the roll.
2:04Uh, the order of operations today, we're going to go through a presentation about the Safe Routes to School program.
2:10Um this is serving a little bit as a public meeting, a second public meeting after some of the concerns about the Harrow Road project, but we're going to go through all of the uh safe routes to school that we're doing this year and the genesis and the reason that we do those programs, and then uh we'll do public comment at the end of that.
2:29Um we're gonna try to stick to three minutes.
2:32So uh if you haven't yet signed up, there's a sign-up sheet on the podium.
2:35If you haven't yet signed up to speak, please do that, and uh we'll uh get started.
2:40So we'll turn things over to our folks from our transportation department.
2:48Thank you, Councilmembers.
2:50My name is Stephanie Bartlett.
2:51I am the commissioner of traffic management.
2:55Christy Soncrant, Commissioner Engineering and Construction Management.
2:59And we're here to talk about safe routes to school, school travel plan, and the projects that we do.
3:12Technical difficulties already.
4:23Thank you, Chairman or Councilman Martinez.
4:25Uh yeah, please go ahead.
4:27Uh Safe Rats to School program is funded by a FHWA and administered by ODOT.
4:33Toledo Public and Washington Local each have their own school travel plan, allowing the city to apply for funds for one district each year.
4:40This presentation will concentrate on the Toledo Public Safe Routes program and highlight projects that will be constructed in 2026.
4:48The TPS travel plan was completed for 40 K-8 schools in late 2014 and has been updated every five years to include additional projects and programming for the district.
5:00The most recent update included the addition of eight public high schools in Toledo.
5:05Each update includes collecting new data in the form of parent surveys, principal surveys, and for the high schools directly surveying the students.
5:14This is primarily information on who is walking and biking to school and how parents feel about having their children walking and biking to school and any concerns they have.
5:23This data allows the city to address specific items with our projects, like lack of safe crossings, disconnected sidewalk networks, or lack of sidewalks, and traffic concerns regarding speeding and dangerous behaviors.
5:36It also highlights other concerns parents have when allowing their children to walk or bike, like blight, dogs who scare kids, and issues around bullying.
5:45These plans allow us to strategically plan and make informed decisions about where the city is spending limited resources on all upcoming construction projects, as these elements are built into and funded in all of the city's infrastructure programs.
6:08The program relies on a large group of volunteers to provide critical education and resources for kids to encourage safe habits when they're out walking and biking in Toledo.
6:18Helping schools implement walking school buses, walk and roll Wednesdays, student crossing guard training, free bike helmets, and free bike fix it programs.
6:27Also providing education on how to safely walk and bike, cross the street using signals and beacons, and rules on safe biking habits, habits that will hopefully continue into adulthood.
6:44The 2026 Safe Routes to School program includes five locations across the TPS district.
6:50Bakewell is a priority corridor for Birmingham Elementary, and many students cross Kinsall at this location.
6:56Pedestrian counts were taken in December of 2022, showing 46 people crossing at this unmarked, unsignalized location.
7:05Adding a crosswalk where students are actually crossing the street significantly reduces the risk of injury or fatality.
7:16Glendale is a priority corridor for Harvard Elementary.
7:20This project will provide bump outs to shorten the crossing distance, and the existing pedestrian signal will stay in place, and parking is not impacted along Glendale.
7:30This will provide better access not only for the school but also to residents visiting the existing businesses along this corridor.
7:42Detroit Avenue is a priority corridor for Beverly Elementary.
7:46This is a new crossing that improves access to Schneider Park and for students attending Bowser High School.
7:52Currently, there are no pedestrian accommodations to across Detroit at this intersection.
7:57The closest signalized safe crossing is more than 1,200 feet away at Glendale, and Glansman is about 3,000 feet away.
8:08North Ravine is a priority corridor for elementary and weight high school.
8:12Commissioner Bartlett, could you pull the mic a little closer?
8:18North Ravine is a priority corridor for Garfield Elementary and Waite High School.
8:23This gap in the sidewalk network will connect to the stadium and ravine park, creating a continuous safe route to the park and playground that does not cross any driveways and only a single intersection.
8:39Harrow is the final sidewalk connection needed to complete the sidewalk network between Rogers and McTig campus all the way to north all the way north to Bancroft Street.
8:49Sidewalks along Olympia were installed in our last safe routes project, along with minor connections along Fryer and Heidelberg.
8:56This creates a safe pedestrian connection to the signalized intersection at Dor Street, allowing students to travel between all area schools.
9:05The two-mile buffer around high schools where students are not busted extends all the way north towards Elmer Drive.
9:12Many high school students are walking to school when it's dark or staying after school for sports or other school events and providing safe corridors for all students as necessary through the neighborhoods.
9:22This project completes a long-term goal of connecting these neighborhoods that began with our first safe routes application in 2015.
9:29While SafeRoutes is a program to fund projects around schools, the benefits are for the entire community.
9:36That completes our presentation.
9:41Thank you very much, Commissioner Barlow, Commissioner Sonic for being here today.
9:45Thank you for your presentation.
9:47Curiosity the funding source for this program is from ODOT, is that correct?
9:54Yes, the funds are administered through ODOT, and there is no local match.
10:05So each school district is eligible for projects up to a million dollars every other year.
10:10So we have it on a cycle where we do TPS one year, the next year we do Washington local, and then we flip back and forth.
10:18And we have been successful in every application that we've applied for.
10:22TPS has we've completed 133 of our recommendations from their plan within the last 10 years.
10:34As a new parent, I could tell you this the state of our sidewalks in this community, probably not where we all would like for them to be.
10:40We don't we we carry Charlie as we walk through the neighborhoods because uh the sidewalks are pretty rough in the neighborhood, so we can't use the stroller.
10:48Um like you said, uh upgrades to the sidewalk aren't just for kids walking to and from school, they they work for everybody.
10:56And uh and I personally feel like when I see families with kids uh walk around neighborhoods, those communities feel a little more alive, and we we should want to promote um folks moving into this community raising families here.
11:09So this is one of those little things that we do that can make a difference, and we just gotta make sure that we're doing it with good community context and and um and that we're communicating with our residents as we go through that.
11:19So thank you very much for your presentation.
11:22Um questions from members of council, and then uh we'll go to the public based on who's signed up.
11:28Council member Gaddis.
11:30Thanks, Chair, and thank you for your presentation.
11:33I wanted to kind of dig deep into some of some of the meat of this, uh, especially as a district rep.
11:41Um you said I think it's awesome.
11:42We did 133 of the recommended.
11:46How many total are there recommended?
11:51I don't have a total number.
11:52Um, when we do our school travel plan updates, we're continuously adding new projects.
11:58We'll go out and do new walk audits at different schools.
12:01Um, obviously with TPS, 40 schools doing updates every five years is difficult.
12:07We kind of pick and choose which ones we need to do walk audits so that we hit them all over the course of the program.
12:17There are recommendations for all schools, some are more robust than others, but we're constantly adding new projects.
12:23Yeah, I remember the high school just last year, two years ago, it was a great idea.
12:28Um how when you pick the areas you pick, do you look at the neighborhood plans that we pass through ordinance?
12:38Um, I am also a member of TDC who does a lot of the neighborhood plans, so I am very familiar with the ones that are currently out there.
12:46Have we completed any of those neighborhood plans goals with sidewalks?
12:51Um I don't know if I would say we completed them, but we do take them into account um when we do our walk audits, we look at where students are going to it uh how they're currently traveling to and from school, but that does obviously change as students grow older and move to the high schools and different elementaries and newer kids come into the school system.
13:12Are we able to utilize NERSA funding to amplify the uh I know we don't need a local match, but to amplify what we're already doing?
13:22Um I know we can use NERSA funding for trash cans and benches down Broadway.
13:28Can we use them for other things that would fit um safety?
13:36I'm not as familiar with the NERSA program.
13:38That would probably be something we would need to discuss with neighborhoods.
13:42Okay, I would love to, you know, however, we can amplify some of the other funding we have to get this done as quickly.
13:49I think that would be great.
13:50Is it for only the can you explain a little more of what it covers?
13:54Does it ever cover flashing school signs?
13:58Like what does it cover?
14:00Um it covers new infrastructure, so it we can't go out and do like sidewalk replacement program.
14:07Um it does not cover ped ramps, like if we're only doing a ped ramp, but if we're putting in new sidewalk that has ped ramps included, then that will do that will be covered.
14:19Um the school 20 flashing signs, it covers those you know, enhanced crossings.
14:25So if we want to put in a rapid flashing beacon, things like that.
14:29Um I mean it's it it covers more than just infrastructure.
14:33It also covers programming and stuff that we do within the schools.
14:37So you know it's it's a very robust program.
14:41Um there's a lot of information on the ODOT website around safe routes, so I could I you know I can direct you to their website and maybe give you a little more context on what different types of things they cover.
14:53Okay, I that would be great.
14:54I did love to get a complete list.
14:56And then when I know you had mentioned like it's hard to get around with a stroller, I'm in a wheelchair.
15:02It's it's a it makes life really complicated to get to my neighbors to give them the need they want.
15:08Um or the needs that they help them meet their needs.
15:11So um when we like uh you're laying all new sidewalk on the North Ravine where there's none.
15:22I've been an east side resident for uh a long time and we've never had them there.
15:27We usually just walked in the grass.
15:29But do we ever assess the full length?
15:34So as we you know, we have the whole route.
15:36Do we go up to those neighbors and say your sidewalk is in bad shape, we're trying to fix this whole path to get the kids to school safely.
15:45Have we ever took that into consideration?
15:49The program um and maybe that's more pulling what we do with traffic when we look at sidewalks as a whole, uh our neighborhood plan as a whole.
16:01Like, does anybody ever assess all of those and say we're fixing this strip?
16:06Or we chose this, we chose Garfield uh we chose Birmingham and Kinsall, okay, because that's that's got more sidewalks than this.
16:15Um so we know they go this path.
16:18This is the way they walk, which is in the plans.
16:21So we're going to assess all those other sidewalks on this whole strip and talk to those neighbors about the programming we have so we can fix the whole dang thing.
16:32Like have do we do that as a city?
16:36Um, but that is an interesting idea.
16:39It th the program doesn't cover like sidewalk replacement, but y yeah, I think I get what you mean, like as as we're we know that this project is coming to improve this.
16:49Let's let's continue this by improving the direct path from this new crossing directly to the school.
16:57Um we have not looked at doing our sidewalk program that drive that way.
17:02Um I mean, I'm sure it's something that we could consider in the future.
17:05I would love to help, however, Ken.
17:09Because I I think we could make some really big advancements.
17:12This is so needed, and we've got so many kids, and you know, uh if if we could get a a whole pathway safe for people, I think that would really help encourage them to utilize it more.
17:27Thank you for all my questions.
17:29I I'm a big fan of this program.
17:31I just want to make this shine in our city because I think we have the potential to do that.
17:37Thank you, Councilmember Gaddis.
17:38And uh also like to recognize Vice Chair Hobbes uh is in attendance as well.
17:43Um Councilman Sarantu.
17:47Uh to both of you commissioners, I want to thank you for all the good work you've done.
17:52Uh in particular the in front of the uh Toledo Technology Academy, the old DeVilbus High School, my wonderful alma mater.
18:01Uh I know many don't think I made it through high school, but I did.
18:05Um I'll bring my diploma in next month.
18:09But really, you did a fabulous job with that because there were real concerns with with the kids crossing the street and speeding drivers, and uh I just really appreciate the changes.
18:21How how many I guess my question is how many schools are left that that don't have these types of uh programs, you know, for safety, would you estimate in Toledo?
18:34Um so the TPS plan covers all of the TPS schools.
18:38Um and Washington Local does cover all of the Washington local schools.
18:42So the only I guess the only schools that don't have a safe routes program would be any like charter schools or the parochial schools.
18:51But I notice like Chrysler Kingham and Rose Street, there's there's uh pretty good signage there, and there's a speed zone uh flashing sign and so forth.
19:01Yeah, schools uh any school um that has been in the same location for five years is eligible for the school zone 20 flashers.
19:11So that's that is a typical thing that that traffic management would do for any school.
19:17Um they would just need to the school would contact our office.
19:20Well, I think it's great that all the TPS and uh Washington local have been taken care of.
19:25And I also noticed the differences now in Alexis Road in front of Whitmer in the uh junior high complex there.
19:32So looking forward to that, seeing more improvements.
19:38Thank you, Councilman Sarantu.
19:39Councilman Martinez.
19:41Uh so ladies, thank you so much for your presentation.
19:44Uh I know the uh YMCA rep was not here, correct?
19:47She had family emergency, she couldn't make it.
19:51Um so I guess my question, and I think part of the frustration, at least from what I I've experienced in and kind of seeing, is the these is a great program.
20:00uh in the uh junior high complex there so looking forward to that seeing more improvements thank you thank you mr chair thank you councilman surround too councilman martinez uh thank you mr chair uh so ladies thank you so much for your presentation uh i know the uh ymca rep was not here correct she had family emergency she couldn't make it correct um so i guess my question and i think part of the frustration at least from what i i've experienced and and kind of seeing is the these is a great program I I think one of the parts we're missing is community engagement and conversation with neighbors that are impacted so one of the reasons why we're here is I think uh while this is great and definitely needed and is well received in the majority of the spots you know but making sure that we continue communication with residents um and that's part of my frustration so uh do you can you tell me how or if community was engaged when we were identifying these sites because I have three sites uh which I was pleasantly surprised uh two of them I knew about the other one I I thought it might be there but I wasn't sure if it was going to get done this year so I'm glad to see that it was um and then I also have another school to be considered also uh right there well it's private school but it's OLPH but I see kids crossing the Anthony Wing Trail to get either to OLPH or to little Christian and then they have a daycare not too far from there on the trail.
20:54So that was a question that came from one of the principals when they found out about this program if they were able to apply um to figure out I know the Anthony Wing Trail is a pretty busy area and I'm not sure what we could do if we could do anything but just to put it in your pin but again going back to my original question about do you know how community was engaged at all on this programming so the engagement around the school travel plans focuses on the schools themselves and the needs that they see um not necessarily with the actual residents who live along the routes I I do feel that that is something that we should be better at.
21:36Okay great thank you and then before we uh open it up to public discourse could we see the construction plan for Harrow Road please an update?
21:45Yeah I think we just got to go back one slide um so I will go ahead and add a few things um to that since the last time that we uh met with the residents we have um bid the project out we have a contractor um crestline paving and excavating is going to be doing the work they plan on starting with um Harrow as the first thing and then going to the other locations um right now they have a mid-June start line um with construction complete august thirtieth and that is not just Harrow that is for the whole project um we have not had a pre-construction meeting with them yet because they literally just got the project you know a little while ago so when we do um we'll have a pre-construction meeting and then they send us a schedule for construction uh so we can make sure that we get that to you and you get to the residents or however you want it to work that um we can get that schedule out to them and our comms does a great job of putting things on the website giving timelines sending emails um on Fridays and want everyone to sign up for our program and our website um just go on city of Toledo you can sign up for links and get all construction information throughout the whole year on any project so we want to make sure that residents do take advantage of that.
23:30Okay and then one of the questions geez sorry um catch basins yes like what are we doing for the overall to help with the drainage concerns so one of the another um issue that came at our meeting was uh making sure that there were plenty of um basins to so water wouldn't pond uh went back to the engineers um they did feel that they had designed it well and put enough in but we did um decide at the I guess it would be the north end to add a few more catch basins on the west side which is where all the catch basins are and then um make sure to drain water to the pipe on that side just because the north side was a little less in catch basins compared to the south side so after um talking with them at that meeting afterwards like I said we went back to the engineers and they did add some more catch basins to the project.
24:44Do you know how many more uh it ended up being two we thought we were gonna add three but when they went back and looked they couldn't find another spot another low spot to put a third one so they ended up adding two.
24:55So how many catch basins total sorry I didn't mean to catch you off guard here.
25:01I brought the plans, so I just have to count.
25:06You have if you have another question in the meantime, I'll it is, but it's related to that uh because um the last uh rain event we had there was significant pooling just because of the uh the where the low areas are on how far a lot of the homes sit back, and I saw hoses draining your basements and stuff like that.
25:25So one of my questions is since we're in there, is there an opportunity to add um the storm taps that if the homeowner wanted to tap into the storm to help with the drainage in their setback at their cost, that they would just have to tap in, but then the tap's already there.
25:50So that was a very specific question, so I'm sorry.
25:54Um so first off, there's 25 total, so there were 23 before we went and added the two more.
26:02Um I can look into that to see if that would be an option for them.
26:08And then um so you're saying that like if they have they want to, because a lot of the ponding is like on the sides of the homes or like right in front of their homes.
26:24So outside of the right-of-way, you are wondering if we can have them put in a basin on their property and then drain that to the city line.
26:35Is that what sort of uh if the taps are already there at the homeowner's expense if they wanted to add a basin in their their lot?
26:43And then run the line.
26:44Correct, and the taps already there, so that'll save them money in the process if they so chose.
26:51Let me look into it.
26:53I'm not 100% on the street.
26:59Uh so we're gonna move to comments from the public.
27:02I'm gonna do my best to pronounce your names correctly.
27:05Um when you get up here, just uh state your name and address, and uh so we'll start with Rosanna from Lake Erie West Regional Council.
27:19Uh Rosanna Helsley, uh, Lake Erie West Regional Council and the chief of staff over there.
27:23If you want my address, 2807 Barrington, District 5, Old Orchard.
27:28Um so personally, I love that you are as a counselor talking about it.
27:31I think it's fantastic.
27:32But I'm here on behalf of our executive director, Sandy Spang and our director of transportation, Dave Gideon, who both could not make it this evening.
27:39Um, my colleague Amir is gonna give you a little bit more details, but on behalf of um our director Spang and our director uh Gideon, we just want to say that um at Lake Erie West, we fully support the strategic transportation tool as the safe routes of school plan, the program.
27:54Um, safety enhancements are a big part of what we do at Lake Erie West.
27:58Um we are at the ready if there's anything that we can help with in terms of providing data and providing analysis, anything like that.
28:05That's kind of what we do.
28:06Uh, we are the designated metropolitan planning or uh organization for this region.
28:10Um so we're happy to help.
28:11Um, and I defer to my colleague Amira.
28:23Hi everyone, my name is Amira Neur, and I'm a transportation planner at Lake Erie West Regional Council.
28:29MLK Junior Drive Suite 300.
28:32Lake Erie West is the designated metropolitan planning organization and the federally recognized bodily sorry, body responsible for coordinating transportation planning in Lucaswood and the southernmost townships in Monroe County, Michigan.
28:45Lake Erie West has been involved in state school travel planning for many years, supporting school districts across the region and anyone choosing active transportation.
28:54This effort aligns with our priority to improve safety, accessibility, and active transportation across our region.
28:59Based on 2019 TPS data, around 24% of students walk or bike to school in the morning and 28% in the afternoon.
29:07That means a quarter of students are using active transportation on a daily basis.
29:11Right now, in areas without sidewalks, students have no choice but to walk on the roadway or in people's yards.
29:17Sidewalks are preventative improvement.
29:19They provide a dedicated space to walk and are meant to lower risk before accidents happen.
29:24Safe process school efforts include other safety improvements such as crosswalks, ADA accessible ramps, and other design features that improve visibility in pedestrians and lower the chance of serious accidents.
29:36The program promotes education of drivers and pedestrians as an important key of safety on and off the road.
29:41Walking and biking supports physical and mental health of students and build stronger and more connected neighborhoods.
29:47Lake Erie West is committed to assisting school districts throughout the region and developing and implementing safe routes to school.
29:54The goal is to plan for safe and reliable travel travel routes to help students get to and from school, which is also a great benefit to nearby residents and the broader community.
30:07We'll move on to Brian.
30:20I brought show and tell.
30:38Oh, I got I got multiple things.
30:40Um so I've got since we had that rain at the beginning of April.
30:45Um one of the concerns is walking on sidewalks that are uh have water sitting on them.
30:53Um when we walk in the street, because I we have a tring walker coon hound, we have to walk her two, three uh miles a day, otherwise she gets antsy.
31:02Um at least in the street, we can avoid puddles when you're in the when they're across the whole sidewalk.
31:09We have to walk either in the wet grass or through the puddle, or in the winter time it's slippery and icy.
31:16Um and that's along Dor Street.
31:18Um they could have saved money uh moving the kids from uh Olympia to Heidelberg and put all the way down, but instead they uh put a sidewalk on fryer, which I have pictures where it's flooded.
31:34Uh the crosswalks at Harrow have water sitting on them.
31:38There are uh pools of water sitting between the sidewalk and the street.
31:43Um if they did drainage, they didn't do it very well.
31:46So I have pictures of that.
31:48And then I also have pictures on the east side of Harrow and the west side of Harrow where water is was pooled up and down the street.
31:59I didn't have um addresses for them, but they are there from uh the north to the south.
32:07Um, and as far as the the repavement goes, I saw there was something about uh like a two-inch asphalt on top.
32:15I'm not sure if they're gonna grind the street or what they're gonna do because everybody's driveway is either at grade or slightly above grade, and if it's just putting it on top, everybody's driveway is gonna be two inches below the street.
32:31Um also I don't know if the plans all along higher are gonna be have the humps in it, but on Olympia there are sections where water is pooling on the sidewalk and in people's driveways because the uh sidewalk goes down.
32:49So that's my choose.
32:51I don't know if anybody wants to see them, but I'll give these to the either the engineers or council if you want to.
32:57Yeah, we'll uh have somebody collect those, we'll circulate those uh amongst members of the committee.
33:06Thank you very much.
33:07Um, Councilmember Geddis.
33:09Thank you for your testimony.
33:10Can I ask you a quick question?
33:13Um, are the sidewalks sinking?
33:16Have they been there a while?
33:18The ones along Dor Street?
33:19Yeah, the ones you said are flooded.
33:21As long as I've lived there, I've lived in the same house for since 99.
33:26Um, and the whole Adams Township when it was annexed, that whole area does not have sidewalks.
33:32So our neighborhood, the only subwalk in the neighborhood would be our road, and then Fryer, and then Door Street and Nebraska on each end.
33:44There's nothing on uh Eton, nothing on Heidelberg, nothing on uh Vanderbilt, nothing on and nothing on that other side of uh Fryer or Sloan, and then you've got everything west of uh Holland Sylvania.
34:01All those kids have to walk across Holland Sylvania.
34:04There's no flashing lights, no marked crosswalks there either.
34:07Okay, um, and then you have the uh streets that are right next to uh Rogers and McTye.
34:14They don't have sidewalks.
34:16Pretty much every neighborhood around us has no sidewalks except where they have curbs and gutters, and they were had to put them in.
34:26Okay, thank you for the clarity.
34:28We're not anti, our neighborhood is not anti-sidewalk, but putting a sidewalk through where there's no other sidewalks makes the neighborhood look terrible.
34:41I think that's it's definitely part of a bigger conversation of connecting everything.
34:46And there's also a um sidewalk along Nebraska where there's um not an ADA um drop, there's still a drop down to the street, and there are other ones where they've been corrected and have um uh slopes.
35:00Okay, thank you so much.
35:04Thank you for your comment.
35:05Uh Vice Chair Hobbs brings up a great point about um just the amount of unimproved roads we have in this community, and thank you.
35:12Um that's really probably a lot of the cause of a lot of the pooling because we just don't have proper drainage.
35:18I mean, we're working to address that issue, but it takes time, and those are more expensive uh road projects, obviously, so we're doing what we can, but over time we've got to make sure we're moving in that direction.
35:30Councilman Martinez.
35:33Um, so to answer the gentleman's question, Brian's question.
35:36So I guess the question is are they doing approaches or aprons?
35:42Like how will this so when they do, yes.
35:44I if so for an overlay, um we will when they it is an overlay, he's correct.
35:52We are not milling anything off of it.
35:56Um, so they'll put a thin overlay on it, but they will match it up to the drive.
36:01So if it needs to narrow, you know, get a little thinner to get down there to get to the drive, they will match it up to the drive so it doesn't go over the drive.
36:11Because we don't want the road to drain, and like I mean, like he's saying, he doesn't want the all the road to drain into his driveway apron, and then there's a puddle on his driveway apron that he has to deal with or ice up and is dangerous for him.
36:26So are we replacing the aprons, or we're just using the existing aprons and just tying it?
36:32So we are replacing the aprons on the west side of the road, um, because that is where, of course, the pipe is going, and so we're gonna replace the whole approach to the back of the walk.
36:46Because we're putting a new walk in, so we're replacing their approach before that.
36:51I'm gonna say, as far as repaving goes, Eaton was done either a year ago or year and a half, two years ago.
36:58Um, there are still gaps where the pavement is six to eight inches above people's yards, and then there's also places where the pavement is like two inches or an inch above their driveway.
37:14So I don't know what was supposed to happen there either.
37:19And it was like a surprise project, or nobody in the neighborhood knew that they were getting an overlay, it was like a test or something.
37:26I have no idea, but uh let's move on to Kelly and Ken.
37:46Hello, and thank you.
37:48I actually thought I was just signing us both in.
37:52So that's why I put us on the same line.
37:55Um, thank you for your time this evening and um at least hearing us out.
38:00I live on Harrow, and um I'm not a fan of having the sidewalk.
38:06Um part of the appeal of our road, our neighborhood is a little country in the city.
38:13We've got you know, most of us have you know double lots, at least half acre or acre lots, and um adding the sidewalk when we have so much flooding, and we have nowhere to put the water on the east side.
38:31There is nothing on the east side for us to do anything, and that's where I happen to live is on the east side.
38:38And the communication for this was just non-existent when the trees the the workers for the to cut came to cut the trees down, that's when we found out.
38:54And obviously, that's not the way to find out.
39:01Communication is a huge issue between the city and the voters.
39:10And I struggle when you say unimproved roads because there is no such thing anymore because in November of 24 we all voted, and there is no such thing as an unimproved road anymore.
39:24So I would appreciate it if you guys look at it as a regular road.
39:32But there needs to be much more transparency, much more communication, and um when Brian was talking about the fryer sidewalk, that was just done last year as a part of this program, and they've had to lift it twice, and it's still pools where they're supposed to cross from Fryer to Harrow.
40:00They they can't use the sidewalk to cross in that crosswalk that they drew that they painted on the road.
40:09This is just it's this isn't right.
40:13And she's commissioner said herself, there's been no communication.
40:18You guys just decide this between the school and what is needed.
40:23You guys want to connect the community, but maybe the community doesn't want to be connected.
40:28We have you guys want to connect us all the way down to Tweedle Botanical Garden.
40:32Nobody wants to go all the way down there.
40:34Nobody wants to walk or ride their bike all the way down there from where we are.
40:40I I to me that seems absurd.
40:44You know, if if people want to do that, that's fine, but it's gonna be a very small number.
40:51And I can tell you there are two kids that walk down that street to go to school, too.
40:58There are two others that will ride a bike when it's nice out, but they can't ride the bike on the sidewalk.
41:08So why are we spending taxpayer dollars to put a sidewalk in when nobody's walking?
41:19Nobody wants to send their kids to school with the crime rates the way they are.
41:25You know, we escort them.
41:33I had something else to say, and I don't remember.
41:37But this this I hope you guys do much better with communication in reaching out.
41:47Um to just have this kind of construction done.
41:54And another thing is this is what I wanted to cover.
41:57In December, in our meeting in December, we were supposed to get the night a copy of the 1975 special tax assessment that was imposed on the Harrow residents.
42:09We were supposed to get a copy of the updated plans, and we were supposed to get a copy of the survey results from the safe walk to school program, and we have yet to see that.
42:24But to do something like this and waste taxpayer dollars to put a sidewalk in, which is fine, put the sidewalk in, but put the drainage with it, put do it right.
42:36Otherwise, you're just putting a band-aid on something that needs far more than that.
42:44We had a short list, so I was letting you go, but yes, it is.
42:49Okay, well, thank you for listening.
42:52Thanks for coming in today.
42:53Um, I don't know if we have your email address, but if those documents we um we you requested, we'll we'll do our best to get them to you if we have your contact information.
43:06I would like to compliment Christy Soncran and Councilman Martinez for all of their work.
43:13There's no time for that.
43:14We're all you're all out of sleep.
43:20I live on Harrow also.
43:21Um I went to the meeting at the library.
43:25Um asked to have the information specifically for how many kids were counted for this program.
43:34I have not gotten it yet.
43:39There's two kids in the morning, and two, and there's four kids in the morning, four at night.
43:44Going to school and coming back.
43:47So if you're gonna spend this kind of money and it's based on 20 kids, does anybody have that report here?
43:54Has anybody seen it?
43:56What were you told as far as how many kids are walking down the street?
44:03Does anybody have it?
44:10Okay, that's the same answer we got in December.
44:13You guys are basing your decision on something that could be false information.
44:20What was me if that's the case?
44:26It's a shame what you guys have come out and done to our neighborhood cutting down those trees.
44:35And you have you had a much better option and a much cheaper option one road over.
44:43So if you could address getting a tap on my side of the road, since the west side of the road is gonna get all the basins and the east side not, I'm gonna have the same issue with flooding, and probably worse after they get done based on what they did on fryer.
45:00I would hope maybe some of you would drive out there and take a look.
45:03See what you spent your money on.
45:07I can do a lot better job than them.
45:12But if you could check in to find out if I can get a tap on our lot.
45:17If I can get a tap there, I'll get the water there.
45:20And I'll pay for it.
45:23And I appreciate your time.
45:34Hi, Megan Robeson, Chief of Operations for the City of Toledo.
45:38Um, today I am here to represent Washington local schools.
45:42They were not able to be here today, so they prepared a letter that I would like to read for the record.
45:48Uh, dear members of Toledo City Council, I am writing to express my strong support for the Safe Routes to School program and the meaningful impact it has had on our students, families, and the broader Meadowvale community.
46:01This program has played a vital role in improving improving student safety and accessibility.
46:06One of the most significant improvements has been the addition of the sidewalk along Hearst Road, a previously high traffic and hazardous route for students traveling to Meadow Vale Elementary, as well as Whitmer High School and the Junior High Buildings.
46:21This enhancement alone has made a lasting difference in ensuring safer daily commutes for our children.
46:28Beyond infrastructure, safe routes to schools has consistently supported our students through hands-on initiatives.
46:34Their bike fix it days have provided students with the opportunity to have their bikes repaired and made road ready at no cost to families.
46:43Additionally, the distribution of helmets has helped promote safe riding habits and protect our students.
46:49During our annual walk and bike to school events, the program has also provided dedicated volunteers to assist with crosswalk safety for both our walking and biking groups.
46:59These efforts not only ensure students' safety but also encourage healthy habits, independence, and community engagement.
47:06Safe routes to school is truly an asset to our community.
47:09Their commitment to student safety, accessibility, and wellness is evident in every initiative they support.
47:15I strongly encourage continued support and investment in this program so it can maintain and expand its positive impact.
47:22Thank you for your time and consideration.
47:24Sincerely, Colleen Aiken.
47:29Uh is there any other comment from the public pertaining to this committee?
47:34May I say one more time?
47:39Is it okay to just stand here?
47:42Well, we actually we need to record it, so uh I'm sorry.
47:53I did forget to say that um when this project was initially slated, the sidewalk was slated to be on the east side, and then they switched it to the west side because that's where the sewers are.
48:08So why when you plan a project like this, why did they not know that until far into it?
48:18It just seems poorly planned.
48:20I'm not against the program.
48:22I think it's probably a great program for the right roads.
48:27This is not the right road.
48:29Needs better planning.
48:32Robin, thank you very much.
48:34Uh, with no further business, this meeting is adjourned.