Tom, are you still waiting for someone?

Um I mean, we can advance your case if you'd like, or we'll just call it in its ordinary rotation.

We'll proceed on the best I can.

Pardon me?

We can proceed.

Okay.

We're waiting for our computer system to come up.

R how you can have the RIC.

Yeah, we can pull this one up.

I thought last time was your last time.

It's getting there.

Getting there?

He wanted to fit one in before.

And Tim's here.

Tim's your successor?

Enlighten the next person.

Oh no.

No.

Whoever it's gonna be.

I just I need to know something that he does.

I see.

We have no successor at the moment.

Not at the moment.

Al Ortman, no?

No volunteers?

It's gonna be someone else's issue.

Are we on the record?

Recording?

Okay.

So did we make something?

Good morning, everyone.

Welcome to City Council Chambers.

For this, the City of Toledo Board of Revision of Assessments meeting scheduled for this time and date, May 7th, 2026.

Uh this is a board recognized by the charter of the City of Toledo that sits and convenes in an advisory capacity, makes recommendations to city council on matters involving uh matters surrounding the public rights of ways of the city of Toledo.

The board's specific purpose is to review the costs associated with uh vacating streets and levying assessments along rights of ways for services or capital improvements related there too.

Um it involves engineering, it involves finance, it involves public service, and it involves law.

So that's why the board is made up of the directors of finance, public service, and law.

For purposes of the record, we have Joe Fosson, director of public service here today.

We have uh Mr.

Buckley, Commissioner of Finance on behalf of the director of finance, commissioner of accounts in the finance department.

I'm Paul Searin, general counsel for the City of Toledo here on behalf of the director of law.

There are two cases on today's agenda, and uh we'll proceed with the second case.

We'll take them out of order.

Uh the first matter is resolution number five two four-two five.

Declaring the intent to vacate the remainder of an alley located within the property at twenty fourteen Consol Street, located in the city of Toledo, Lucas County, Ohio, and declaring an emergency.

Um this uh matter has the applicant as the Diocese of Toledo.

I recognize them there.

We'll call upon you in a moment to provide comments.

Um, do we have a cost sheet, Mr.

Martinez?

Uh costs uh include uh square footage of the area, um engineering cost, standard 75 dollar engineering cost, recording fee of $100.

Total costs involved, so $435.57.

Uh it's the process of the board to hear from a representative of the city administration, usually um engineering services.

Then we call upon the applicant, we open it up for public comment, uh review questions and answers from the board deliberation, and then we conclude with a motion of a recommendation to city council.

Having said all that, Mr.

Sweeney, you're here from City Engineering Services.

Uh good morning.

Good morning.

Sweeney, uh Engineering Services City of Toledo.

We do have an alley here.

You can as you can see here, much of this has been previously vacated.

It splits between two separate subdivisions.

Um we do have some sanitary sewer dipping in this corner, which will require that we maintain an easement until that can be redefined.

Um we go in and just say we're gonna maintain a complete easement until if there's construction or something that can be redefined to just include this corner, um, redefined based on future development occurring or uh redefined based on the existing utility and where it sits.

So there would need to be uh continue to be an easement where this utility sits, but this can all be released of that requirement, this portion to the north.

Okay, uh we won't need it and unless there are um at times there are private utilities, utilities overhead okay or natural gas.

I I couldn't find any, so I'm not certain about all that.

We didn't get a full report on it.

Once again, this is St.

Stephen's Church area here.

I believe they own all surrounding property.

Uh the city does not object to this vacation.

So uh you recommend approval of the vacation with a reservation of a full width easement for part of the vacated.

That is correct area, and in the future that vacated area that is not presently occupied by a utility, we can vacate that that easement.

Uh they can redefine it to just include this small area here.

Either the city itself would vacate that, or when you say vacate, you mean release, release easement reserved, correct?

Or the owner or upon future development, as the case might be needed or called upon if that reserved easement gets in the way.

We can revisit that whole issue at that time in the future.

That's correct.

Okay, thank you.

We want to make sure I understand that.

Any questions for Mr.

Sweeney from the board?

Hearing none, the applicant?

The future.

Tom Antonini, I'm general counsel for the diocese of Toledo.

I also have Rob Keelhan, who has been following this a lot more closely than me.

I'll just for bigger context.

This is part of the proposed sale of the former St.

Stephen School, which is really important to the parish of St.

Stephen, which we have long-term plans to we think that's going to be a very vibrant parish.

Um, but the sale is an important part of that vision.

Um, and again, Rob Keelhan can answer any of the particular questions you may have.

Okay.

I don't know if I need to swear in or anything, but Rob Keelaghan, signature associates broker.

Uh, we've been working on this transaction for a couple years.

Uh, this alley's been previously vacated twice.

The legal description uh is incorrect, and the surveyors cannot figure it out.

So after a year of this, here we are today.

So we hope you say okay.

Because it's already been vacated.

It's just the legal description missed about 40 or 50 feet 35 years ago.

So I think there's a we have resolved that issue, and that resolution is culminated by council's anticipated approval by ordinance in the next cycle or so.

Uh this here is representing what our surveyor put together.

You can see this strip I'm noting that has been previously vacated.

Okay.

This has been vacated, this has been vacated, and there was an additional dedication here, so there was no dead end alley.

Okay.

So somewhere along the line of uh 1937, this portion was re uh dedicated to keep so there was good flow alley flow.

This portion was um vacated in 1915.

This portion in well, yeah.

Abstract of record, so that was 1913, and what Alan found was that this was still dedicated this portion here.

Then uh and the purchaser and the diocese both have no problems with maintaining the easements for the utilities that are there.

Uh the alley also has a fence that's been up since 1970 something where it's blocked off.

Uh they've also agreed to put a knockbox in uh for fire access, and uh there's also another egress for community members to get around.

So this is really a just a formality that we're here to hopefully put to bed forever and give you whatever cash you need for your vacation permanently, and this has of course been approved by Albert and the City Service.

Correct.

Okay, anything further from the applicant?

No, thank you.

All right.

Any further discussion by the board?

Is there anyone in the audience wishing to be heard?

Hearing unseen, none of the discussion.

Is there a motion to approve?

Is it motion to approve, sir?

Second, second, motion and second to approve, proceed to a vote.

Mr.

Foster, yes, yes, Mr.

Searn says yes.

The vote is three in favor, zero opposed.

Uh resolution number five twenty-four-two five will be forwarded to city council with the recommendation of approval.

Thank you, gentlemen.

Thank you.

Next case and final case is uh resolution number four three five-25 declaring the intent to vacate a 15 feet wide alley adjacent to lot 17 and lot 18 in Clifton Park, located in the city of Toledo, Lucas County, Ohio, and declaring an emergency.

The applicant is a Kevin Roscoe, Rosedale Avenue in Toledo, and the costs uh vacation a hundred twenty-five dollars in required work engineering costs and a recording fee for a total cost of one thousand two hundred and forty-eight dollars and one cents, Mr.

Sweet.

This portion here that is petitioned to be vacated was required when this portion of the alley was vacated for the new development here at the corner of Monroe and Harbor.

Um, this was required so there wouldn't be a dead end alley, and that was an area to be for a turn on.

We also have a utility going through here, and there are overhead lines going through, which will require us to maintain an easement to uh service any of our utilities or for the uh private companies to service their utilities.

It is to my understanding that the city is not in agreement with this, because it would once again create a dead end alley, and anybody that has a garage along this alley needs an area to be able to turn around and exit again.

So it's to my understanding that the city is not in agreement with this.

Am I correct?

Uh yes, I read the staff analysis of the plan commission as well as the plan commission recommendation.

They both recommend disapproval, essentially for the reasons and concerns you just stated.

And that's for information of the fellow members of the board.

That is correct.

Were you asking me that question?

I was asking.

Oh, I'm sorry.

You described it appropriately.

Okay.

So your speaking on behalf of the city consistent with the Plan Commission staff recommendation and commission's recommendation to council that this vacation is problematic because it's an adverse impact on surrounding property owners.

That is correct.

Okay.

To ingress and e pass.

Okay.

Monroe and Auburn, I'm fairly familiar with that.

But if I'm coming into downtown, down Monroe.

What is this on the right or left side?

If the motor is traveling towards downtown.

If you were traveling to the southeast, it would be on your left side.

On the left side.

The expressway is here to the north.

And if on the corner is a uh like a dollar store.

Correct.

It was originally a drug store.

Okay.

And then there's uh, there's uh old row of old storefronts, I believe, a very old unoccupied structure.

And this would be behind, uh, that would be the alley that runs behind that block.

Yes.

I'm envisioning where it's at.

And the reason I'm spending all the time is because it's a rare case where there's a recommendation of disapproval that comes before us.

That's you know, once every few years, I think that happens.

So okay.

Well, my questions are answered.

Questions for Mr.

Sweeney from the board.

Um, yeah, just to clarify it, so if we were to approve this, we would create two dead end alleys, is that correct?

Uh, this portion's already been vacated here.

Okay.

That was vacated prior to the development.

Oh, okay.

But because of this vacation, we require that they dedicate this here for public term.

Oh, okay.

And if we did vacate it, yes, it would create a dead end right here.

Okay, understood.

And it would defeat that public turnaround.

Yes, sir.

That transportation still uh recommends it's the best practice.

You still have that issue.

Okay, that's all I have.

Anyone in the audience wishing to be heard?

Uh is the applicant present.

I don't see anyone else in the audience.

Uh, do we know if the applicant was notified, or how did we provide notice, Mr.

Martinez?

The applicant was notified by certified mail.

Okay.

Any inquiry from them or I have not received any.

Okay.

Uh that being the case, are we uh comfortable proceeding without the presence of the applicant?

We could either hold this or proceed.

It's up to the board.

Any recommendation, Mr.

Martinez?

Uh, the applicant has not showed up to the last couple of meetings.

That would be the plan commission and the zoning and planning because they knew that they were that this was not going to be approved.

Okay.

So I don't I don't uh expect that they would be showing up to any of our meetings or this meeting here, even if we were to postpone this for a later date.

The uh hearing hearing this and voting on this.

So the board decided to approve or to disapprove you know, to make their recommendation on how to act on this, I think today would be the proper day to do it.

Okay, that being the case, any further comment from the board?

Okay, uh I would recommend um that uh we make a motion to recommend disapproval on the merits of the application to city council, however, note to city council that should if they are so inclined to approve against the recommendation of this board and the Plan Commission and the staff analysis of the Plan Commission that the fees that were recited, that total uh bear with me.

So motion to disapprove with uh fees assessed in the alternative.

So moved.

There's a motion by Mr.

Buckley.

Second.

Second by Mr.

Fosno.

We'll proceed to a vote.

Mr.

Fosner?

Yes.

Mr.

Buckler.

Yes.

Mr.

Searing says yes.

You're opposed.

The application will be recommended to city council with a disapproval as to the merits, but uh with a recommendation as to the cost should council be inclined to uh approve an ordinance vacating the same.

Any further discussion for the board today?

There is not at this time, but uh I would like to uh push Andy uh happy retirement.

So this may be his uh last board of revision hearing with us.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Uh 31.

Uh me.

Doing this portion of my service to the city as well as to this board.

Thirty-one with the city uh twenty-six doing this portion.

Okay, and I've been here twice six, and I can't think of a someone who appeared prior to you.

My memory doesn't serve you that well.

Who was your predecessor?

Uh Kent Gardner.

Yes, I think.

The name's familiar, but I can't put a face.

I think he's with um uh the outside group for all the planning.

I can't think of uh for the entire Toledo regional area.

Gotcha.

Team Academy?

Yes.

Formerly team, they've renamed it, sorry.

Lake Erie West.

And we look forward to Mr.

Gross G being your successor.

Nothing further before the board.

We will be adjourned to the call of the chair.

Thank you everyone for your time and attention.

Does this listen to she is a shared council?

Uh yes.

Okay, people.

Let's start with all.

I don't know what we're doing, something.

This predominantly is they're mostly single family.

That approved.

Who else would it do?

Um, and uh say what we're hand on the chair, she's going to be a good number.

Okay.

Okay.

Gotcha.

She does an incredible job.

So there's somebody that's a land on how much she said the whole time.

And uh next week, take care of it.

So, you know, uh, you know, this is a lot of that stuff.

I think we have the setups, and so there we have any movie about what is our we recommended about the number of time immediately, and then it's kind of so uh another uh two weeks, another thousand dollar line.

And we would put it up and sessment.

No, it's not uh so I guess we need a little more information on what is our building with is there a reasonable stretch, and it's like the reasonable suggested ten thousand dollars on the retention.

I mean, what happens is on your ten residential premises.

So, we need to have a six years, and I just disappeared to get it.

Okay, right.

You could be should be file, set up.

So if you follow the rules, and we don't see it.

So uh so the tenant boots out.

So, oh my god, you know, no, so it wants to find the one that would not be.

Right, I don't know if it's a little bit of a few.

Um, I would be fine.

And then we can assess it.

I don't know if we're assessing cost, but we have to use that we need to be in the uh, whole point we want to capture it ourselves a whole week.

Um, our ability is to maybe track that a little better, please be assessment.

Is that the way that was me as a smaller chain of the rather than true?

So yeah.

Um, maybe the assessments where they have a they know that uh whatever pay rate that I am I checked my box or that I had an X amount of hours, and that's so and then we need to pay back so next one hours for the backup, and that's how much that on the source, and then maybe a couple of the streets we could go on, so it's a lot of that.

So there's a way to catalyze all that, it was just we have to have a couple in there, set up and then know how much it would buy the hour and how street speed is five hours for a pay range for the employees that are possible.

And then uh, we should be on the round there because you know, we have to go short paper, I have a shop, or if you know, sort of require for the stock there.

I'm gonna have to do all of something in the question, but they're like a lot of part that I have to look at, also.

If that is too high level flying, like we look at what we would charge it for small medium and large, and does it feel like you come suppose to capture all of that?

Um short ending up on my game, but it's the still, you know, we're going to go phase of the at one point.

And then how the policy has not everywhere than it used to.

Now that kind of changed the whole game for us, so we never really had to do the metrics in that manner.

Oh, we just had a crew that would have smaller hackers that go out and something about it, you had an hour for weeks or a day, we didn't call it all paper that we built, and then it had to be schedule that they were still adjusting for adjusting to that.

So, you know, three hundred dollars, they also have a cost in the road, but it was a little bit much.

So, they had a lot changing for the kind of questions that are on that and whatnot.

I know that then we would be talking about some year, we can try and go through the so many trying to put all the so I don't have a cost, or if they're not on the last time.

So they have some options, but uh, the short rates are from law that we have the authority to establish rates and charges.

I guess I move forward, president, but server, and for those rates and charges.

Yeah.

I mean, uh I guess uh, just like fire suspicions.

So this would be a rate charge for people that uh trigger the need for a uh whole setup assessment to cover the cost.

And those rates and charges have to be rational related to the cost of the city, carrying out that service.

So all of you know that's ten thousand hours will get their attention.

That would probably exceed that rational relationship.

So the answer is you do have to throw that.

We can break those down as in detail as possible, and then annually uh either delegate the authority you to revisit those charges and adjust them annually, or any ordinance before council that uh that changes those charges and goes to two percent cost prior to the charges go forward.

So then you have to publish those rates and charges in advance to let people be on notice that this is what you're gonna face is people of my setups.

Oh, and that was like a good one.

So we're all easily trying to do this or the cities are on the services.

And then we call these sentence maybe for something, maybe that might be a good value for you.

I don't think that the rest of the year.

So the schedule sheet.

It was the same, so it should have costs that we're gonna do.

Correct.

That's how we're gonna at one point in time.

So then and then it was the reason to trust once I started really, we can know that we have this should be a whole and so I thought I'd like to call that instead of that.

So if we got the problems, it's a lot of people that have to do.

Okay, so if you can't start, uh, yeah, I don't know.

I think I have a lot of things.

Yeah, you took over.

You left that, I think that's a good idea.

So, we're gonna have to do that.

Yeah, maybe that's just the secret treasure.

I mean, I think it's a good one.

Oh, okay.

Okay, guys.

Alright, I don't know.

Oh, you know what I mean?

Oh, yeah.

Okay.

Okay.

I'm not allowed to get all of that, I think.