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Toledo City Council Hearing on Flock License Plate Reader Renewal – June 22, 2026

City CouncilMonday, June 22, 2026
BodyToledo, Ohio
SessionCity Council
DateMonday, June 22, 2026
StatusFILED
Video Record
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Transcript — Verbatim
1:33

Hobbs here.

1:35

Williams.

1:36

Kramer.

1:37

Here, McPherson, Melden, Morris here.

1:42

Sarant, too.

1:44

Also, present, Gaddis and Driscoll.

1:49

Um, thank you all for being here today.

1:52

First of all, if you want to make comment, there's a signing sheet to your left, my right on the table there.

1:59

Our officer is walking towards it right now.

2:02

Um there's a sign-in sheet there, which we will collect, and at the end, when we open it up for a comment, it will be three minutes.

2:11

Um we've called this meeting today, um, because there has been information that um has uh been presented for both sides for flock and against flock.

2:24

And so we wanted to do was come together today and have a conversation about flock cameras.

2:30

We ex we we know that everyone is passionate about it.

2:33

We're asking that our comments stay towards the flock and are respectful to everyone.

2:38

We believe everyone is entitled to their opinion, and we're asking you all to please, um, if you have question or opinion, you can talk about the flock camera uh for or against um at the end.

2:50

So I believe we have um police department is going to present.

2:56

We also have Miss Rebecca Fayce is here, and I believe there's someone here from the county.

3:02

I'm not sure who that is.

3:04

Good afternoon.

3:05

Maggie Cock from the Lucas County Prosecutor's Office.

3:08

Thank you.

3:08

And Matty Coffey.

3:27

And so our clerk is going to read the title of the ordinance.

3:32

We also, uh Ms.

3:34

Julie, if you can um respond to the um the response we receive from our law department on the one piece, just so we have it out there.

3:45

And thank you.

3:46

The title is authorizing the mayor to amend the existing agreement with Throck Group Incorporated for the Toledo Police Department's Real Time Crime Center for a one-year continuation for portable automatic license plate readers, authorizing the expenditure of an amount not to exceed 14,000 dollars from the general fund and waiving the competitive bidding requirements of TMC chapter one eighty-seven and declaring an emergency.

4:23

Thank you all for being us this opportunity to come discuss this legislation with me here today.

4:34

Here today is Lieutenant Holmes, Sergeant Bergman, and Lieutenant Theman.

4:40

Um we're here to discuss the flock, uh portable license plate reader legislation.

4:47

Uh hopefully address all questions and all concerns that you as a council will have for us.

4:53

Uh we know there's been quite a bit of information, disinformation rumors surrounding this technology, and we're hopeful that we can clear all that up for you today.

4:59

Also in attendance in the audience, ready and willing to answer any questions are two representatives from Flock Safety, Josh Brandon and Trevor Chandler.

5:14

I wanted to first uh talk a little bit.

5:17

I've I've over the last few weeks heard a few of the concerns, some emails have been forwarded to me, and I wanted to just clear some things up straight away.

5:27

They seem to be kind of the prevailing themes of the of the um misinformation, I guess you would call it.

5:34

Well, does the Toledo Police Department use FLOC technology for immigration enforcement?

5:40

No, we don't, and we never have.

5:43

Does the Toledo police department share the data that we collect through Flock technology with other agencies that do immigration enforcement?

5:53

No, we don't.

5:56

Do we share our information with ICE?

5:59

No, we don't.

6:01

Do FLOC LPRs have face facial recognition technology?

6:07

No, they don't.

6:09

I was asked by several council members to provide some examples of uh how we use FLOC and some of the success stories, and that's the handout that you all should have.

6:22

And I'd like to just go through a little little bit of this with you, just so you can kind of get an idea of how the Toledo Police Department uses this technology.

6:32

And again, this legislation is specific to our portable LPRs, but I know there's been a broader conversation about Flock the entire program, so I figured this would be a good opportunity to just go over it.

6:46

So we can go through some of these cases.

6:49

Uh guilty verdicts for murder in the past two weeks.

6:53

Uh November last year, Jasmine Quinn was murdered uh in a mass shooting at Hill and Reynolds.

7:00

Flock was used to identify the suspect vehicle.

7:02

According to our detective sergeant, uh, without Flock, the case likely would have been unsolved.

7:08

March of last year, 17-year-old Joseph Johnson was murdered during a robbery in the 800 Block of Woodward.

7:15

FLAC identified the suspect vehicle, which was quickly located and led to the arrest of those involved.

7:21

A couple examples from this year, April of this year, Leon Oldham was murdered in the 100 block of Bronson.

7:27

Flock was used to identify a vehicle at the scene, which led to the discovery of witnesses who had not been previously known.

7:34

February of this year, Felonious assault attempted murder at the Glass City Academy.

7:39

Flock was used to track the vehicle in which the suspect fled, which helped produce additional evidence regarding his clothing and actions.

7:49

In April of 2022, we had tragically a seven-fold Desiree Hughes was murdered while in her car seat in the back of her father's vehicle.

7:58

FLAC identified the shooter's vehicle, and he was ultimately convicted at trial.

Discussion Breakdown — Share of Meeting
Public Safety█████████████████████████████████████████████57%
Technology and Innovation█████████████████████████32%
Racial Equity████5%
Privacy Rights███4%
Engineering And Infrastructure1%
Public Engagement1%
Summary of Proceedings

Toledo City Council Hearing on Flock License Plate Reader Renewal – June 22, 2026

The Toledo City Council held a special meeting on June 22, 2026, to discuss a proposed ordinance authorizing the mayor to amend the city’s agreement with Flock Group Inc. for portable automatic license plate readers (ALPRs) for one year at a cost not to exceed $14,000. The meeting featured presentations from the Toledo Police Department (TPD), the Lucas County Prosecutor’s Office, and representatives from Flock Safety, followed by extensive public comment.

Public Comments & Testimony

  • Richard Arnold (speaking as a resident) supported the technology but urged civility in the debate, referencing an earlier contentious county commissioners’ meeting.
  • Gwen Goldsbury opposed Flock, citing distrust of law enforcement, risks to transgender individuals, and the reactive rather than preventive nature of the system.
  • Susan King (Northwest Ohio Peace Coalition) strongly opposed the contract extension, arguing that Flock contributes to mass surveillance, violates First and Fourth Amendment rights, and is open to unauthorized federal access, including ICE targeting immigrants and tracking women seeking abortions. She noted that 71 U.S. cities have rejected Flock as of June 22, 2026.
  • Unnamed speaker expressed concern about federal overreach and asked how data would be protected against a rogue federal agency; Flock representative Trevor Chandler responded that Flock would redirect any subpoena for Toledo’s data back to the city, which owns the data.
  • Sean Nestor (resident, cybersecurity professional) asked council to respect constitutional protections, warning that mass surveillance tools are prone to abuse and that while local benefits exist, long-term risks to civil liberties are unacceptable.
  • Tom Pruss urged rejection of the contract, arguing that the system creates permanent records of innocent citizens’ movements, shifts the burden of proof, and treats every citizen as a potential suspect.
  • Christina Rodriguez voiced concern about data being used to target women and immigrants, urging a no vote.
  • Mike Ferner (Point Place resident) raised doubts about data deletion after 30 days, federal access despite filters, and the potential for future political misuse. He referenced UK laws labeling Palestine solidarity as terrorism.
  • Michael Haynes (president of Toledo Police Patrols Association) spoke in favor of Flock, comparing it to everyday surveillance by phones and apps, emphasizing its value in locating missing persons and stolen vehicles, and stating that accountability lies with the council.
  • Belinda Covarrubias (director of El Central Hub, community advocate) opposed Flock, describing how her family’s daily movements are tracked over 20 times per day. She argued surveillance disproportionately harms Black, brown, and immigrant communities, and cited Dayton, Ohio’s suspension of Flock after 7,000 immigration-related searches were found.
  • Rebecca Bundy opposed Flock, warning of a growing surveillance state that threatens privacy and freedom, especially for immigrants and marginalized groups, despite local promises.
  • Amanda Russell (local business owner) shared a personal case where TPD could not tell her if Flock cameras were working; she criticized the lack of cameras near strip clubs and questioned why trafficking is not being addressed.
  • Russell Shackelford compared Flock to a panopticon, cited Forbes interview where the Flock CEO claimed the system would “eradicate nearly all crime,” and referenced documented abuses including tracking women for abortion and stalking by officers.
  • Jessica Castellani (adjunct philosophy professor) raised concerns about chilling effects on civil liberties and the power dynamic between watchers and watched, recommending funding for social support instead.
  • Kevin Bullier questioned city council’s knowledge of the contract and Flock CEO Garrett Langley, stating that data goes to Amazon Web Services and that no one knows who really has access.
  • Another speaker highlighted a 2025 hack of 80,000 Flock cameras by a YouTuber, asked how many agencies are in the data-sharing agreement, and demanded that council set strict regulations before any renewal.
  • Unnamed speaker argued Flock’s goal is fear-mongering, that the cameras do not prevent crime, and that citizens do not want constant surveillance.
  • Mulat Kanan (Palestinian and second-generation immigrant) opposed Flock, drawing parallels to surveillance under occupation in Palestine, and urged funding for preventive measures.
  • Final speaker opposed Flock, stating it tracks and listens, and agreed with the chief prosecutor that no one wants a surveillance state.

Discussion Items

  • TPD Deputy Chief Braun presented the benefits of Flock, including its use in solving high-profile homicides (clearance rates of 81% vs. national 61.4%), locating missing persons, and recovering stolen vehicles. He stated TPD does not use Flock for immigration enforcement, does not share data with ICE, and the system has no facial recognition. He provided examples of cases solved with Flock.
  • Flock Safety representative Trevor Chandler addressed concerns about federal access, data sharing, and privacy. He explained that after 2025, federal agencies are excluded from statewide and national lookup; any sharing requires a three‑gate opt‑in process. He stated that Toledo owns its data, Flock does not sell data, and retention is 30 days unless changed locally. He described audit logs as permanent and transparent, with tools to flag atypical searches. He noted filters for immigration and reproductive health searches are available and activated by the city.
  • Council Member Gaddis posed detailed questions about backdoor access, the University of Washington audit, Dayton’s 7,000 immigration searches, changes to Flock’s terms and conditions (removal of “do not sell” language, perpetual licensing), the inability to force camera removal in other cities, misuse in Texas abortion cases, surveillance of protests, the city’s $35,000 settlement due to a false plate read, and crashworthiness of camera poles. Chandler responded that the terms changes were simplifications, that the data is hard‑deleted within retention periods, and that cameras can be turned off by the city.
  • Council Member Driscoll clarified data retention (30 days), confirmed that other agencies (except ICE) can search Toledo’s data, and asked about legal recourse if data is misused. Chandler and the deputy chief noted that data use is for law enforcement only and internal policies are clear.
  • Council Member Sarant confirmed that TPD controls data dissemination and that Flock is used for a wide range of crimes, including stolen vehicles, domestic abuse, and missing persons cases (e.g., dementia patients).
  • Council Member McCrimer inquired about audit log permanence, council access to logs, and safeguards against misuse. Chandler stated audits are permanent unless state law dictates otherwise and that Flock provides transparency portals and proactive flagging of atypical behavior.
  • Council Member Morris asked about variation in data‑sharing among agencies and how to identify misuse by neighboring departments. Chandler explained that each agency chooses sharing levels and that misuse is rare (about two dozen incidents among billions of searches) but can be caught through audit tools.
  • Rebecca Facey (Toledo Chief Prosecutor) and Maggie Cook (Lucas County Deputy Chief, Criminal Division) spoke in support of Flock, describing its use in solving hit‑and‑runs, homicides, and other serious crimes. Cook emphasized that data abuse is taken seriously, with swift consequences (firings, charges) for violations.

Key Outcomes

  • No vote was taken at the meeting; the session was informational, held to gather public input and answer council questions. The agenda item (ordinance to amend the Flock agreement) remains pending.
  • The city council heard extensive testimony from Flock representatives, law enforcement, prosecutors, and numerous community members with opinions divided roughly along lines of support for crime‑fighting benefits versus opposition on privacy, civil liberties, and risks of mission creep.
  • TPD and the prosecutor’s office reiterated that they rely heavily on Flock for investigations and prosecutions, with high clearance rates and many cases that would otherwise be unsolved.
  • The meeting adjourned without a scheduled future date for a vote, though the ordinance is expected to be considered at a later council meeting.

Meeting Transcript

Hobbs here. Williams. Kramer. Here, McPherson, Melden, Morris here. Sarant, too. Also, present, Gaddis and Driscoll. Um, thank you all for being here today. First of all, if you want to make comment, there's a signing sheet to your left, my right on the table there. Our officer is walking towards it right now. Um there's a sign-in sheet there, which we will collect, and at the end, when we open it up for a comment, it will be three minutes. Um we've called this meeting today, um, because there has been information that um has uh been presented for both sides for flock and against flock. And so we wanted to do was come together today and have a conversation about flock cameras. We ex we we know that everyone is passionate about it. We're asking that our comments stay towards the flock and are respectful to everyone. We believe everyone is entitled to their opinion, and we're asking you all to please, um, if you have question or opinion, you can talk about the flock camera uh for or against um at the end. So I believe we have um police department is going to present. We also have Miss Rebecca Fayce is here, and I believe there's someone here from the county. I'm not sure who that is. Good afternoon. Maggie Cock from the Lucas County Prosecutor's Office. Thank you. And Matty Coffey. And so our clerk is going to read the title of the ordinance. We also, uh Ms. Julie, if you can um respond to the um the response we receive from our law department on the one piece, just so we have it out there. And thank you. The title is authorizing the mayor to amend the existing agreement with Throck Group Incorporated for the Toledo Police Department's Real Time Crime Center for a one-year continuation for portable automatic license plate readers, authorizing the expenditure of an amount not to exceed 14,000 dollars from the general fund and waiving the competitive bidding requirements of TMC chapter one eighty-seven and declaring an emergency. Thank you all for being us this opportunity to come discuss this legislation with me here today. Here today is Lieutenant Holmes, Sergeant Bergman, and Lieutenant Theman. Um we're here to discuss the flock, uh portable license plate reader legislation. Uh hopefully address all questions and all concerns that you as a council will have for us. Uh we know there's been quite a bit of information, disinformation rumors surrounding this technology, and we're hopeful that we can clear all that up for you today. Also in attendance in the audience, ready and willing to answer any questions are two representatives from Flock Safety, Josh Brandon and Trevor Chandler. I wanted to first uh talk a little bit. I've I've over the last few weeks heard a few of the concerns, some emails have been forwarded to me, and I wanted to just clear some things up straight away. They seem to be kind of the prevailing themes of the of the um misinformation, I guess you would call it. Well, does the Toledo Police Department use FLOC technology for immigration enforcement? No, we don't, and we never have. Does the Toledo police department share the data that we collect through Flock technology with other agencies that do immigration enforcement? No, we don't. Do we share our information with ICE? No, we don't. Do FLOC LPRs have face facial recognition technology? No, they don't. I was asked by several council members to provide some examples of uh how we use FLOC and some of the success stories, and that's the handout that you all should have. And I'd like to just go through a little little bit of this with you, just so you can kind of get an idea of how the Toledo Police Department uses this technology. And again, this legislation is specific to our portable LPRs, but I know there's been a broader conversation about Flock the entire program, so I figured this would be a good opportunity to just go over it. So we can go through some of these cases. Uh guilty verdicts for murder in the past two weeks. Uh November last year, Jasmine Quinn was murdered uh in a mass shooting at Hill and Reynolds.

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