Good afternoon and welcome to the 230 Wednesday April 15th.

It's public works committee meeting.

I'm Councillor Dector Wright.

I'm calling this meeting to order.

Item number two is a joint resolution of the City Count the City Council of the City of Tulsa, Oklahoma, and the Board of County Commissioners of County of Tulsa, Oklahoma, authorizing the sale and conveyance of certain property located at 1520 North Hartford Avenue, City of Tulsa, Tulsa County, Oklahoma by the City County Library Commission of Tulsa County.

This is on for action tonight.

Mr.

Stevens.

Yes, uh Eric Nelson is here who represents the library commission.

Okay, we can just throw this right here.

Thank you so much.

Okay, okay, that's the year.

Great.

Do you all have a presentation for us?

Are you just here as a reasonable?

Just here to uh respond to any questions you might have.

I think it's a pretty straightforward request.

Um the library commission five years ago began exploring the uh replacement of the existing Rudassel Regional Library.

Uh they selected a site in Greenwood, uh just southeast of the OSU campus.

Uh the building will be about twice the size of the existing facility.

It's uh been under construction for about a year now, and we'll open up in October of 2026.

Uh so in late fall, we noticed for public sale uh the existing facility with the proviso that we would continue to occupy it until the new facility was constructed, and we moved.

Uh we received one bid.

The bid was uh acceptable to the commission, and the commission voted to approve it and sign the contract to all subject to uh title and due diligence and this uh city council approval.

Okay, Councilor Bellis.

Clarify question.

I looked looked at some of the we um thank you, Sarah, for sending us some of those background just kind of procedural documents.

It said it was a blind bid.

How does that I think am I right about that?

Sealed bid.

A sealed bid, thank you.

I was worried I was using the wrong what does that mean?

Could someone tell me what that means?

It just means that we put out a notice soliciting bids.

Okay, and the bids are to be received by a particular date.

Okay, they are opened and then they are referred to the city.

I'm sorry, to the library commission for action, either acceptance or rejection.

Okay, and under the city, under the library commission's policy, uh, they will they follow closely the school district's statutory requirements for the disposal of surplus real property.

They first had it appraised, they'll offer it for public sale.

If they don't receive any bids that are acceptable, then they will be free to negotiate for private sale.

They could post it with a real estate broker or do anything else to sell the property.

But in this case, the sealed bid process was successful.

We received the bid and it wasn't acceptable then.

Okay, thank you.

Councilor Dartman.

Yeah, and then there's the procedure also that it has to be public published, right?

Correct.

It's published in the Tulsa world, it's posted on our website.

Okay, and that's 14 days.

There's there's not a requirement in statute, it's only a board policy.

So it has to be available for the public information.

Public bid prices.

Yeah, so um I also looked at the backup documents that Sarah sent.

Thank you very much.

Um the sale was I mean, there was it was a lengthy time period, correct?

I mean, it was like six months, or maybe not even that long, but it was it was and it was last year, 2025.

Yes, it was in the fall of 2025.

I don't believe it was a six-month process, but it was it was it was lengthy period of several weeks, yes.

Yeah, several weeks or several.

I thought it was I believe that we started the process in uh in September, late September, October.

And uh we approved the contract on November 20th.

So two months.

Okay, okay.

Um, so this is a joint resolution, right?

Between the city of Tulsa and Tulsa County.

The City County Library Act requires that before a city county library conveys real property, you had obtained the consent of the board of county commissioners and the city council.

But the money is not, I mean, the sale of the property is not going to the city of Tulsa or Tulsa County, right?

No.

Libraries property, library receives the proceeds.

Okay.

Thank you.

I just wanted to the City County Library Act just requires that that consent be there.

We've gotten a lot of um emails and concerns with possibly misinformation or disinformation.

So I think we're just trying to clarify for ourselves what is and what is not required and how it all went down.

So uh counselor archie.

Um so you say all the bids are gathered, but when you open the envelope, there was only one bid.

Is that right?

Well, the envelope would be from the bidder.

We received one only one bid.

It wasn't a matter of opening an envelope and there's only one bid inside.

There would only be one bid inside.

Right.

Um, I have a just a procedure.

Oh, sorry, are you still gonna uh and so the uh this maybe tell me why the purchase price maybe I read it in here is is not disclosed.

Uh in the joint resolution right could have been the purchase price is 1.4 million okay.

Did you see the backup document?

I had like a California's in there if it's in the uh resolution.

Okay, and it says that the sales price is in excess of the phrase value as well.

Okay, okay.

That was my question just to clarify there was an independent appraisal conducted, and this was all subject to MAI appraisal done.

Uh we received that appraisal prior to soliciting bids, and uh and we were very well satisfied with the results.

And just to clarify from the backup documentation, there were two ads placed in the Tulsa World on um October 24th and October 26, 2025.

And this was also posted on the Tulsa County City Library's website from October 20th to November 4th.

And that's all the 14 days.

Yeah, that's all according to policy.

So had a look at the new site, it's pretty exciting.

It opens in October, I think.

So that's good.

Councilor Wake and all we're doing is approving the surplus of the property.

We're not approving the purchase price or any no.

You're just uh you're authorizing the library commission to sell the property.

Through a resolution, we can't sell the property without the consent of the governing body of the city and the council, but that's how narrow our scope is.

Yes, correct.

The counselor if you remember some of you, I mean, I think most of you were probably here, or this part of you were here when we had these come before you before for one time they sold property.

I think the library commission sold property in Jinx.

I think last year or the year before there was a uh we did a lease-round lease, a lease and awasso.

So these are right for their new library.

But if the price was 200,000 or 200 million, it's still not part of our action, right?

It's the library's property.

Right, so the conventional, yeah.

Yeah, thank you.

But thank you for what I'm saying.

Yeah, clarifying their procedures and confirming for us that all of them are followed.

Counselor Bangle, did you have anything to add or question?

No, I I think I got some of the same emails you all did about a conflict of interest.

Um I think Jack you might kind of explain how the property or who is uh actually the buyer of the property and how counselor Hall Harbor might be involved in this.

Well, I don't know all the details of the organization, but I do understand there's an organizational interest.

The council councillor Parker has disclosed that she has an organizational interest under our ethics committee.

What that requires is that she recuse from any consideration of this matter which she's done.

But she serves on a voluntary basis as an unpaid board member, correct?

That's my understanding, and if there's no personal financial interest to her or her immediate payment perfect in this transaction.

Thank you for clarifying that, Vice Chair.

Okay, if there's not any further questions or conversation, we'll move on.

Thank you for your time.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Item number three is a resolution declaring certain real property owned by the city of Tulsa located at 8320 South Vandalia Avenue lot 22 block one, is no longer necessary for any public use or purpose declaring said property surplus and requesting the asset management department to affect the sale of said property.

This is in district A and Okay.

I wasn't sure if it was Mr.

Zachary or who was coming to talk to us about this.

Good afternoon.

Good afternoon.

Mike Spurlock Asset Management Item Three and Item Four are actually neighboring lots.

Should I read them together?

Yeah, okay.

Item number four is a resolution declaring certain real property owned by the city of Tulsa located at 8324, South Vandalia lot 21 block one, is no longer necessary for any public use or purpose declaring said property surplus and requesting the asset management department to affect the sale of said property, also district eight.

Okay, so these were purchased in 2013 as part of the repair and stabilization of Yale between 81st and 91st.

Um 8320 is 0.24 acres.

Um the project is completed and they erected a large wall kind of separating Yale from these properties now.

So he has no use for them and we are looking to sell.

Okay.

What side of the wall are they on?

They are on the uh west.

Okay.

So something big anybody got a conflict on this.

No rock climbing, you can have one heck of a rock climbing in your backyard.

Okay.

Yeah, it's a big big wall.

Oh okay.

I'm just trying to understand what they're sell who they're selling it to.

Uh just whoever wants to come in and build right next to a wall.

Yeah, there's just um I don't know.

Yeah, how many feet of land did we take?

20 feet, 30 feet.

We bought the whole lot, but we're constructed to like 17 feet.

Yeah, but when we were going to buy just a little pocket park or something over there.

Well no, no, you can really build a residence.

Okay.

Yeah, you just have 17 feet less worth of land than you previously had to build on, and now you have this huge wall as well.

Make a great bureau.

I said that out loud.

Yeah, well, it's on the new courthouse.

Private side.

Yeah, at the end of a cul de sac in the neighborhood.

Perfect.

It's not zoned properly, I'm sure.

Okay.

Any questions or concerns about the city's property being put into surplus?

That's that problem.

No.

All right.

Thank you.

Item number five, license agreement between the city of Tulsa and Charles Frederick Foster the fourth and Jennifer Lee Foster for property located at 2323 South Delaware Place East, Brian Maher division to install and maintain a decorative concrete driveway and sidewalk with the bromanite exposed aggregate finished within the street right away in district four.

My district loves fancy driveways.

I don't even know if I could say all those words right.

You did well.

This was kind of nice.

They came in before they built it.

Okay.

Congratulations.

Council District 4 is up right up front leading.

Um so anyhow, yes, they are just doing a decorative sidewalk and uh part of their driveway, and we just informed them that they would take on the responsibility of restoring it if for any chance that we needed to get into it for another right-of-way occupant.

And they're they're good with that.

So it goes all the way up.

It's gonna have to Google Brahmanite.

It sounds fancy.

That's uh council district four.

Is it sparkling?

Is it sparkling?

Crypto.

Yeah, done, bro.

Okay.

Well, any um feedback from your community counselor on an exposed Bremenite driveway?

Not yet.

Okay, great.

All right, thanks, Paul.

Item six ordinance amending the toll service ordinances title thirty-five, infrastructure development, chapter two, infrastructure development permits, section two oh two, contracts, bonds, and insurance, subsection B3B, contractors annual construction contract bonds, and insurance to eliminate the requirement of a waiver of subrogation endorsement on an owner's protective liability policy to clarify the requirement of written notice of cancellation and non-payment of premium.

That sounds really exciting.

Welcome to our table.

Our office has worked with development services to evaluate some of our insurance requirements and identify areas that um may not be reflective of actual practice, and we're gonna need to clean up the language of it.

And so that's what this is, and I'm here for any questions.

Great.

Is this coming through the work Councillor Lincoln that you and Counselor Bush have been doing, or is this something separate?

No, it's separate.

Okay.

So you all just said I was texting during the whole thing.

Well, I know you're working on permitting and no, we have all we have some work left.

Okay, okay.

Any questions on this adjustment to actual practices?

Always a good idea.

Sounds like less red tape and bureaucracy to me.

Yeah, yes?

You feel good about it?

Okay, great.

If you like it, I love it.

All right.

Any questions for number six?

No.

Thank you so much.

What do we say?

Um process of continuous improvement at the city of Tulsa.

I appreciate when staff kind of align what we require to actual world, real world uh practices.

Item number seven is a discussion and update with representatives from the Beyond Apology Commission regarding an overview of current efforts and activities brought to us by Councillor Hall Harper, who just left, but I see commissioners are here.

Will you come to our table?

Great.

Hi.

You can come up closer.

Well, I thought we're back.

Is it just you two?

Okay.

However, you want to do it.

Good afternoon.

Welcome back to our table.

Just for our friends at home, you introduce yourselves and then we'll just turn it over to you.

So I'm Christy Williams, and I chair the Beyond Apology Commission.

I'm Matisse Mason.

I'm the vice chair of the Boy and Apology Commission.

And it's been a while since we've seen you, so just give us the update you want to share with the council today.

Yeah, so our commission, we are really rocking and rolling.

Our committees, which uh consists of housing and land, um, our health and wellness committee, we have an education committee who is doing amazing, amazing work.

Um, we have a policy uh commission, and one of the things that we're doing on the policy commission committee is we're wanting all of our commissioners to have conversations with the city counselors because I want them to see the movers and shakers on how to get things done and not where the commission is just a check the box type of thing, but that there's work that you can do and have a relationship with the city counselors is important if you're wanting to propose any policies or ordinance and things like that.

You have to have those conversations with the counselors and and cultivate those relationships.

And so we're trying to do the day at the city, um, which Bailey has been a great help in trying to get some of those um meetings together on the schedule.

Um, and so one of the things that we've been talking about is how do we um create something which we're finding this to be an issue.

So I know pretty much of you've heard about the Burning Witness uh project, the interpretive center that we're doing at um historic Vernon AME Church.

The Mellon Foundation has granted us 1.5 million dollars.

And we also have the National Red Cross who is also giving, will be giving us, well, I should say loaning uh some artifacts and the doc the actual documents of the people they held after the massacre.

Um so that project is moving, but what we're finding is through the artifacts that um Dr.

Odawale has found throughout Greenwood through her uh project called mapping Greenwood, who happens to be a National Geographic extra uh explorer like I am, and um some of the things also when they built Langston Tulsa and when they built the rootest the um the Rudissa library and BMX, they found a lot of artifacts, but they didn't know what to do with them, so they put them in a janitor's closet, and so they've just been sitting there, and so what we're finding now as we're doing this interpretive center is that those artifacts because we did not, and this is this is over 5,000 artifacts that has been sitting also in storage units as well, because we don't have a place to preserve them and store them properly, and so that's where part of the funds from the Mellon Foundation is helping with that, and it's very expensive by the way.

Um is like gone, just this trying to just take care of those artifacts.

So there's a bill called NACPRA, federal law, and that protects um indigenous indigenous remains and also artifacts.

Um we don't have anything like that for African Americans in this in the United States.

There's no law that protects artifacts when they're found or how to handle remains because as you know, each culture has a different way of funeralizing those remains.

We don't have that, and so there's needs to be some type of city ordinance to protect that, especially as we're pulling bodies for mass grades and as we're uh have development going on in Greenwood and other places, what kind of protections are in place for those artifacts and things.

So out of those 5,000 artifacts, we're only able to use about 30% of them because they've been so damaged.

And so um it's not just about black history, it's history and history deserves to be preserved so we can show them to generations to come.

And so one of the things that we're wanting to do is present an ordinance about that, and I'm gonna email you guys that board because we've been working hard on getting the language somewhat right on how we want to do this just uh for the city.

I think this is a great thing for us to do.

It's not a political thing, it's just a I think one of those things that's the right thing to do because there needs to be a procedure in place.

So when people come across artifacts and things are not just trashing them or putting them where you know it's causing further damage to them, it should be a process that has to be done with that, and even like right now, we had to go to Oklahoma City to get them to hold artifacts until the construction is completed to put them there because there's this no place here in Tulsa that has even the room to house those uh artifacts for us, and so that is one of the things we're doing, and we'll talk about the summit.

And so that is one of the things we're doing.

And you want to talk about the summit.

Sure, we're just so excited about the opportunity we've had to have the national reparations summit here.

And really it's going to be a way for us to engage our city to inform about what is and what is not reparations.

You know, because there is, like you said, misinformation about you know what does it consist of and how people and the city can participate in it in a responsible way.

You know, I just think about when I have to come before my city council, and people think that it's such a you know bereft type of situation, but you've always risen to the occasion and really looked out for the constituents in your district, which is which is the same as the constituents in our district.

And we're just so excited to be able to, you know, have this uh reparation conference.

We have national, uh all the national uh scholars in the reparation space is going to be here to really explain it, not just because we're not wanting to just say this is this is what we think it is, and this is what you owe us.

You know, we really want to have dialogue around you know how reparations even start another Bible with the children of Israel because the Egyptians said, take my jewels and go on.

We do want to make it right and go on, and how we they and how they really wrapped wrap their arms around like our Jewish communities with their reparations and have lifted them up and to another level, and then even our our our Japanese uh citizens that were in the internment camps.

So we really want to just inform so people won't have you know a uh a misconception that this is a giveaway.

And I just know how Tulsa is because I've been before you before with hard subjects, and you've always risen to the occasion.

And I know that this is going to be the same thing.

So if you guys are free, please come and join us because it's some of the national speakers that we have, Dr.

George DeGrew and you know, Cam Howard, and of course, Robin Ruth Simmons, who is like one of the architects of this uh mission is going to be there to really just pour into our community so we can see that by getting this repaired, this city can move on to be the beacon that it really has the potential to be, and that's what we're excited about.

We just want to thank you for your time and thank you for just you know having that open mind to just listen to it from with the different eyes, different ears, and a different perspective.

You'll be surprised at what you learn.

Yeah, remind us of the dates of the symposium.

April 24th and April 25th.

And why is it taking it?

And April 26th, that's Friday, Saturday, and Sunday.

Sunday we're gonna end it in worship at Historic Vernon AME Church.

Um, the registration price is 1921, $19.21 cents.

And one of the things that I want to mention is we're having a closed door session with elected officials, and I've been making it clear I want Democrats, independents, Republicans to be a part of that closed door session, because that's going to be led by Keenan Keller, who served in the United States House of Representatives, and he is like the legislative mind who has worked with John Conyers and President Obama, and you name it, um, he's done it.

And so he is amazing, but he's gonna talk about ways that we can do legislation and policy on it.

Doesn't always have to be um cash, and that's a lot of times you hear people say, I want my check.

But it's so much more than that, right?

It's it's it's about policy, it's about repair, repair of things that we can do at a local level.

Um when we go to the um symposium, and I invite everyone, everyone should go to the symposium every year because it's amazing, and it's not just black people, it's all races of people who come together and just learn, and it's it you have all the cities and all the um political, like say uh Democrats, independence, republicans are all together there, and it's just amazing of the work that they're all are doing collectively.

Um it's a powerhouse of resources and tools that we can use, and I think it's be great for all of us to take part in that.

So please come, and if you just can just come on the first morning to welcome all these people who are coming uh from everywhere, that would be great.

I would love for you all to be a part to welcome the mayor.

For my colleagues, it's at um Langston, Tulsa University.

And you should have gotten the commissioner sent us an email invitation for this session, so there's a link to RSVP.

Yes.

Um how many delegates from around the country are US call expecting?

I'm expecting at least 75 because I've reached I've did a I did a reach out across of Oklahoma.

Um, and so I'm hoping that I get that many.

Right.

Um, so I because I really think it'll be a great and I did a close session again because I wanted everyone to just be comfortable and then you know, without the public being in there, so you can have discussions and learn.

And then Saturday we're also gonna have a closer session with all the faith leaders as well, and what their role can be and an engagement in this process as well.

Okay.

And the great thing about it is is that the whole the eyes of the whole world is on Tulsa right now.

I'm not being facetious.

I mean I'm dramatic.

Y'all know that but facetious is what I'm not.

And the whole eyes of the world is looking at Tulsa.

We are representative of what is possible without any boundaries.

We're talking about not political boundaries, not ethnic boundaries, anything.

When when wherever Christie goes to across the world from Germany to Ghana to Chicago to Philadelphia, she just got back from Philadelphia, they're wanting to model their cities.

Conservative cities, which are my southern cities, liberal cities, all after what's happening in Tulsa.

So I just am encouraged by that, and I'm just excited for you guys being being able to be the counselors that's in position to carry us on through with that.

Well, we appreciate the work you're doing for the newer counselors.

Beyond Apology started around um the commemoration of the massacre in 2021 with the African American with GTAC Affairs Commission bringing us a resolution, and then this body approving that resolution, then there was another resolution, and eventually the Beyond Apology community sessions happened that then um compelled Mayor Bynum to put the commission together.

So that's how we get here today, and it'll continue on.

It's exciting that um the symposium's here and that they're coming to learn from what we're doing, and that we have a chance to learn from them.

So thank you for the work you do, and um thank you for being up this.

Is it called NAF NAFRA?

NAFTRA and I'm I'll go ahead and send you that.

Sure.

And I do wonder with our experts um at the Gilcrease, and you know, there's folks in town that know how to do this work, and so we could just maybe connect as well.

Dr.

Ottawale to whoever at the Gill Creese is doing preservation as well.

Um I know that they've been storing a lot of our artwork for a long time and getting ready to you know reopen Gil Crease, but there's got to be some expertise in town as well.

But the um ordinance, um it's a way that we can make impact.

So I'll be looking forward to seeing what you all bring to our table and we'll work there.

Yes, Councillor Bingo.

I just have a quick question, Christy.

30 you can only use 30% of the 5,000.

Give me an idea.

And you don't have to be overly graphic, but what kind of artifacts are we talking about?

Shoes, toys, bullets, um, they date back in that era.

Um stained beautiful, like stained glass, pottery, uh, the blue and white china, um, medicine bottles, um, perfume bottles, um, all of those things are uh there, even some old business signs, the um signs.

We even found some really old um like Coca-Cola signs as well.

Um, and some are just eroded so bad we can't restore them.

Yeah, we can't restore uh some of those items.

Um, but there's there's tons of um tons of different kinds of artifacts uh that were found.

Um and uh one of part of the toys was the spin tops.

I don't know if you remember like the little spin tops, uh marbles um were found, um jewelry, pieces of jewelry uh were found.

Um so all of these things that we finally got them all cataloged, but only like I say only 30% of those 5,000 artifacts is all that we can display because they're just so severely damaged.

Okay, I appreciate that.

And in case you didn't know, Vernon AME is going to have an interpretive center um museum, like how do you describe what that's going to be?

Yeah, so it's going to be an interpretive center/slash museum.

Oh, exactly.

It would make it a museum is because of the artifacts that will be uh marrying the stories that we're gonna tell in this interpretive space.

It'll have uh lighting, soundscaping.

Um it's gonna be absolutely beautiful.

Um if you haven't been on the tour inside Storm Vernon AME, there's a space that um we've kept original to the church.

You can see all the damage that happened from the massacre, including the result of the bombing that happened afterwards, and so all of that damage is still there.

Dr.

O'Wale calls it a goal line in archaeology, and I said, What does that mean?

And she said, Well, everything is still fresh in that space, and it hasn't been touched, you know, the elements haven't been there in that space, so everything is just still there.

And one of the things is that uh what they look for archaeologists is nails, and so they found these nails that and it helps predate things for them.

But the nails in that space are handmade nails that is still holding up the church today.

And um, as as a scientist, she said, I can't um say, you know, I she said I can't prove through physics how did the basement not succumb to the force of the bombing.

Um, and because she said by physics it should have.

But she said, I can't say it was God.

But she said, I want to say it was God, but I can't say it.

And then the nails that are in that space, the force of the bombing bent all the nails back this way facing east.

And so it's just a phenomenon of of how this is still there and it is still holding up the church today, and architects come from everywhere to see this space and study it.

We've had some from Australia come recently, um, and they are just um amazed about how did this stand.

And uh one of the guys, he was just so intrigued by the way the bricks were laid and how the wall um took a lot of the force um from the bombing and their double layered walls, and you said, which is very expensive to do in those days, but the fact that it's still there, it's uh which is why they deemed the structure an artifact, um, a structural artifact in which Mellon Foundation will be doing um a lot of videos of it here in the next couple weeks before it's like they want to because everyone can see what it was looking for because it's gonna be totally changed, and even the chairs that are in the church today, like when we were doing the mass graze investigation, and um SM Jackson, he was our head trustee at Historic Vernon Ammy Church, and he is the one who embalmed the 18 that we were originally looking for.

And the Sunday following the massacre, Vernon had church, and we had church on the chairs that he salvaged from his funeral home, which was destroyed during the massacre.

And so those chairs are still there, they're 110 years old.

I always let people kind of sit in them when I do a tour.

But the anthropologist and archaeologist said we're not gonna do that anymore.

Yeah, they're gonna be preserved and encased.

So um, so that'll start in June, and so that's the last time anyone be able to touch those chairs.

We even have a Oregon played by Elvis Presley, and people don't know that story.

But he came here and had a jam session with the Leon Rollinson band, and that Hammond B3 is still there, and so those things will be um they they will be preserved and encased so we don't damage them.

We didn't know we were damaging these artifacts that were still in the church, but so those it'll it's gonna look totally different.

Um so that's just some of the things um of the history there.

So if you guys want to come and do a tour together, I would love to give you that tour before it changes and and so you can see what it looks like before and take pictures.

So RSVP for the symposium that came through on Monday by email.

You all are set the commissioners are setting up one-on-ones to visit with counselors individually, and then you're working on uh an ordinance that will make its way to us.

Um and we're coming up on the 105th centennial, so you know, definitely take time to visit this historic place that we are all stewarding repair and restoration.

I think it'll be cool if we could get it done in honor of that.

All right, you better get it to our legal people, yes.

The wheels of government don't always turn so fast around.

That's right.

That's right.

Counselor Bellas.

Oh, yeah, I was curious related to that.

Are there um like examples of other cities that have done similar, like have look it's like if you don't know, but I was curious about like that kind of local level.

Hey, how do we protect these artifacts?

Okay.

Yeah, so there are two archaeologists in New York, which Dr.

O'Dowale, she stopped me.

She was like, Christy, hold on, because there's two archaeologists who have been trying to get this done at a federal level um for a few years now, and she said, because you don't want to, you know, reinvent the wheel, just kind of see.

But they did this after their um the African body uh burial ground in New York.

And so they were wanting to put something together to um protect them, and then also trying to figure out a way of how do we still like honor um veterans who are um in these craze because a lot of they're not um they're not being in the in the way that it should be.

reinvent the wheel just kind of see but they did this after their um um the the the African body uh burial ground in New York and so they were wanting to put something together to um protect them and then also trying to figure out a way of how do we still like honor um veterans who are um in these craze because a lot of they're not um they they're not being in the in the way that it should be um as the no man left behind thing because there's still a lot of things that we have to do to put in place to give them the honor that they deserve as well and so that's all a part of that and I'll give you the name of that they actually have a name for it but I've met with them and so they're willing to kind of work together but I told them I I want to do something on the local level you know um and then maybe later a state uh level but right now really just on the local level okay thank you any other questions or comments for our commissioners thank you so much for the work you're doing and for taking time to visit with us and with nothing further we're adjourned.

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