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Okay, thank you.

Sorry about the delay.

Welcome to the 2 30, Wednesday, May 6th Public Works Committee meeting.

Number one, call to order.

Number two, we have an appointment to the Greater Tulsa Area African American Affairs Commission, filling the vacant Greenwood Cultural Center seat.

Is Michelle Burdicks?

Come on up.

Welcome.

Thank you.

Hi.

Please just go ahead and introduce yourself to everybody and tell us a little bit about you and why you want to serve.

Okay.

So Michelle Tulsa Native Born and Raised.

I've spent most of my professional career at the Greenwood Cultural Center this June will be my 30th year there as a program coordinator, public speaker and our on-site historian.

And I'm excited about the opportunity to work alongside so many people on the commission now.

I think I know every single president has the had the opportunity to work with me with them.

And as the Greenwood Cultural Center is in the process of renovations when we reopen our doors, hopefully January, February 2027, we want to serve as more of a cultural hub, and so I'm hoping to make um better connections so that we can collaborate with some of the individuals and the commission to better utilize the space at the Greenwood Cultural Center.

Great.

Appreciate your willingness to serve.

Yes, thank you.

Do we have any questions or comments?

Okay, great.

We will be you'll be on the five o'clock agenda next Wednesday the 13th.

You're welcome to be there if you want, but don't foresee any problems.

So thank you.

Thank you.

Okay, number three discussion regarding the retail revitalization loan fund to provide an update on the budget amendment approved in the fall of 2025 related to the fund and a HUD Small Business Loan Match Program.

And we have Miss Davis here.

Yes.

It's me and Rose Washington as well, is on the screen behind you.

She was out of town, but was able to break away and join us today.

So we wanted to bring an issue back to you all just so that it was clear at the council table and you had an update on these funds.

And so if you remember back in October and November, we had three different committee discussions regarding two budget amendments.

One of those budget amendments was a budget amendment for this small business loan match program, and it was coming out of a commitment made from the 2016 Vision Economic Development Funds for Retail Revitalization.

Those funds we were just committing to a certain geographic area in District One related to the choice neighborhood program, and then those had a match somewhere else.

And so the match conditions have changed, and that is what Rose is gonna go over with you and give you a little bit more information, and then I'll just tie it up at the end.

And this was just to make sure everybody understood where that was now because it is different than what it was in October and November.

Okay, Rose, welcome.

Well, thank you.

Um is wonderful, right?

Well, thank you, counselors, for um allowing me to again speak to you.

And Sarah, thanks for teeing this up.

But as Sarah mentioned, we we wanted to come back to you uh regarding the retail revitalization loan fund commitment that uh we requested several months ago uh that was required as a match to um the Tulsa Housing Authority's uh choice um property choice development that's happening at uh 36th uh street north, and it is really the the reinvention of the old comanche, and as a part of those uh that those types of developments, those choice neighborhoods developments, there are a number of community engagement issues, and one that the community identified was the need to create opportunities for small business ownership, and so through that process, THA agreed to commit a million dollars or so to business lending under the condition that the city provided a 1.5 million dollar match, and we were tapping into the retail revitalization loan funds to provide that match, but there um we didn't have sufficient funds to cover the entirety of the match for a number of different reasons, primarily lack of communication.

So council agreed to add a million dollars from another source into the retail revitalization loan fund because there was also another $500,000 available to the fund or committed to the fund that TEDC had not drawn down.

And so fast forward to today as we continue to work with THA to get a firm commitment and a firm contract from them on the fund that they're going to commit along with the match that the city will provide, the THA's number has been changed.

So it has gone from a million or so down to 400,000.

And so what uh Sarah and I just wanted to talk about was uh the messaging to let you know that your million-dollar commitment was now only 400,000 and and we in total had uh 1.5 million dollar available for the match.

Now we've been working with uh uh counselor Archie on a big project um that still qualifies for the retail revitalization loan fund, but at the other end of the BRT, the bus rapid transit corridor.

And so uh Sarah, I don't know how much more I need to say, but what we do know for sure is that the THA commitment to the business fund uh is reduced to 400,000 at this moment.

It could be uh in the future that that commitment is decreased further as they determine uh what their financing needs are for the other uh buildings that are coming out of the ground uh as a part of 36 North, and so uh we want it to be very transparent with council to um uh be very clear in letting you know that the million that we had asked for uh that would be part of the 1.5 million dollar match for the they call it a critical community improvement loan fund for businesses in that neighborhood uh has changed a bit, and and so we've gone from uh a required match of a million and a half to a required match of about 400,000, and it it could change again, but right now we're committed to the 400,000.

So Sarah, I hope what I've said makes sense.

You can clean it up.

Yeah, I think that I think that's good, and so really at this point what will occur is um you've already appropriated those funds, so you don't actually need to take any action on this.

Um those funds that are above 400,000 that TEDC will have can still go through the program um that we have set out by the economic incentive policy, so other businesses could apply for those those funds.

They're now available.

Um, and so anybody in the retail market um study corridors, there were 12 or 13 areas and along the BRT would now be eligible for this project.

So we just didn't want people to be thinking we were double promising funds, so yes.

So thanks, Raz for that explainer.

Um we were putting in a million to unlock 1.5.

Are we keeping that same ratio?

Now that they're only coming to the table with four, or do we stay in?

I think maybe we were putting in 1.5 and they were putting in one, right?

Um, and so there theirs is really going to depend on their other project financing.

So we're just staying with our one.

We're saying we're going with 400,000.

We're lowering our match.

I thought their match was four.

Their match hopefully is four.

It's still a one-to-one match, but now down to eight total.

Right.

Okay.

Okay.

That's that.

Yeah.

And Sarah, you uh so we partner with partner Tulsa.

So TEDC underwrites those loans, they go to our board for approval, then we submit them to partner Tulsa, they do a review and then they bring it in some form or fashion to I think on this one.

They all have different paths, but I think on this one, what happens is that it goes to the technical review.

If it if it makes it through Rose's process, then it goes to the technical review committee, then the full review committee.

And I think on this one there is a notice to the council of successful projects.

If there was a budgetary action to take at that point, you would have to take it.

But in this case, I think the budgetary action has likely already been taken.

So what happens with this six that's sitting on it can it can go out for application, so now other people can utilize those funds.

Um and it doesn't mean in the future that this geographic area in district one can't also apply for funds that have come back in as program income and things like that, and so and then um Rose and I went over this with Councillor Hall Harper when she was here last week since it affects her district too.

Okay, somewhat again, but we understand it.

We may not always articulate it clearly.

We do understand the moving parts.

Thank you.

Thanks for making time.

Thank you, thank you, Rose.

Okay, please.

Bye.

Okay.

Number four, resolution authorizing payment of $30,000 to Marla Stewart, plaintiff, and Greg Denny Law PLLC from sinking fund is payment of a judgment and attorney fee.

Welcome.

Good afternoon, counselors.

Hi.

Chad Becker from Treasury here as always to give council assurance that there is a sufficient balance, cash balance in the sinking fund to pay this levy or pay this judgment ahead of the levy placement on the tax rolls.

Um the judgment has been approved by the court and the mayor, and now the council's approval finance issues payment to the claimants, and then we forward all the paperwork to the county and levy repayments, uh the same fund over a three-year period.

I think Williams was anyway case to give some details about the case.

This was an auto accident case that an employee of the city was found to fall for.

She was driving the city vehicle on city time.

Um luckily damages were pretty uh moderate, about 9,000 in medical bills and then about eight to nine thousand in uh damage to the plaintiff's vehicle, which by law entitles them to attorney's fees, and so that's why we think this $30,000 amount is a good settlement for the city.

It precludes any further attorney's fees that might come up should the case proceed further or go to trial.

Um, happy to tell more facts of the case if any of y'all have any questions about it.

I was just gonna check if this is a case of typical, like you know, just like human error like accidents happened or if this was a like some other upstream issue.

I was actually talking with chat right before it's a really funky uh intersection.

Um no.

What's that?

So we can need to fix an intersection, tell us more.

I wouldn't say that, but it's basically a four-way intersection with a diagonal going through, and the city employee had a stop sign on that diagonal road, stop, look both ways, didn't see anyone coming through and proceeded through the intersection, but lo and behold, there was an individual driving through, and so it was sort of right in her blind spot from what I've told.

Where is it?

It's uh really close to Tulsa SPCA.

It's I think 36th.

Um East 36th Street North and Mohawk Boulevard, it's a little southwest of the S BCA.

I know the intersection.

Okay, so uh counselor Gilbert.

Uh no, I that's what I wanted to know.

Just more information on the accident.

So thank you.

Anything else?

Okay, thank you.

Thank you.

Item number five resolution calling for and requesting the Tulsa County Election Board to conduct a nonpartisan special election on October 25th.

Why?

I have no idea to place before the electors of the city of Tulsa.

The question of approval or disapproval of ordinance number two five seven eight two, which grants franchise to Oklahoma Natural Gas Company.

I'm back again Davis and Council staff.

So we've talked about the ONG franchise the last couple of weeks.

As a reminder, there are three separate legislative actions that you will take.

This is the second one.

So this is just the resolution calling the election.

All of the substance was over in the franchise ordinance that we went over last week.

So this will look very similar to a lot of other resolutions you have calling elections.

Um this is on the agenda for next week for vote.

The franchise ordinances on next week for vote.

We'll continue to table at the community conversations if anybody wants to come and ask questions there.

So this is just that formal piece of legislation to call the election.

Councilor Gilbert.

So you were at the community conversation last night.

I was.

Did you get very many people asking questions?

Not about I didn't talk to some people, not about the franchise agreement.

Um mostly I didn't tell you a question, and someone who knew a lot about the Mariachi band scene in public schools, which was actually very interesting.

Thanks for being there.

Yeah, thank you very much.

Yeah, appreciate you.

So but we were there to answer and we'll be there next week.

Yeah, as well.

Well, thank you for doing that.

Other questions?

Okay, seeing that.

Thank you.

Number six, ordinance amending Title 49, Tulsa Revised Ordinances, Administrative Permit and License Fees by Amending Chapter One and some other areas, and Mr.

Skates, welcome to our table.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Title 49 is our fees.

We have several fee changes as well as fee additions across development services, public works, and planning department.

And so within the ordinance, hopefully you guys had a chance to look at it.

Um we are looking to increase the application of building permit fees by three percent, which is the inflation rate.

Um we also have it included a fee for the review and time that it takes us to do loamers and lower uh loamers and city regulatory floodplain reviews and document related to stormwater, uh public works as included after hour and weekend uh inspection fees, and then the planning office has included uh applications uh for posting of more than two signs at a charge for that, so I can answer any questions if you have any questions.

Okay.

Well that was easy.

Thank you.

Thank you, appreciate you.

Number seven, discussion of proposed district five project that will use council district community development priority project funds and improve our Tulsa two for the construction of a sidewalk that will connect South Hudson and South Lakewood Avenue, East 36th place and the amount of 575,000 dollars.

Counselor Gilbert, is this you?

Yeah, so um we I have held um a couple of public meetings with residents of district five uh to kind of give us their ideas of how uh they would like to see this community block money spent.

Um the first we there's gonna be a couple more coming, but this first one is a sidewalk along 36th.

It's going to be connecting Lakewood to Hudson, just kind of put it in perspective, it's right there by Bishop Kelly High School.

Um, but there's also other schools there.

There's uh Zaro Elementary and Monissary School.

So a lot of the kids walking to school are having to walk in the street because there's no sidewalk along that area.

Once you cross Hudson, there is a sidewalk, so um, and a lot of those uh students living in those uh different apartment complexes back there are walking to uh bus stops along the way, especially all the way down to uh Darlington Park.

So Highland Park, excuse me, on Yale.

So, this is just making sure that uh students have a safe route to school, and um just keeping, of course, all the pedestrians also in that area safe.

So, right questions.

No, seems like this.

Is this the whole?

This is just I'm just curious.

Is this the whole rest of the IoT dollars for district five?

No, this is just the first part.

This is just the first part.

No money from the D5 fund has been used yet.

I remember that there was like alternate dollars common for different projects.

So I'm glad that these are there for this.

Yes.

Um, that's exciting.

Yeah.

Will they be able to do the work over the summer?

So back to school.

It'll be done or no, in a queue.

We're gonna depends how fast this goes, but that would be ideal.

Yeah, okay.

Yeah, it's it's all out of the right of way.

I think we ought to be able to get rid of that more.

The apartment complex, our signs there is the other one.

So it's good.

It's in the right-of-way, and so they have to move it back.

So, it'll right away straightforward.

Got to measure a little better, okay.

Everybody turn your head.

Measure better.

But the city has had that discussion with the complex too about the sign as well.

So, okay, yeah, great.

Thank you.

Number eight, discussion with representatives of asset management of public works regarding the current repair status and long-term maintenance of city owned Route 66 assets.

So, we have a whole bunch of people coming to the table.

That's your show.

Anna, are you starting or are you first?

Who's up first?

I mean, it's I think it's pretty joint.

Terry's handy and you will see the extent of it with what Terry is not coming out right now.

Yeah, so Councilman America, Terry Ball and Mark Hogan here.

Um, so Councillor Dutton, myself, and Councillor Bengal were in the last uh Route 66 commission meeting.

Um, and as we are preparing for the centennial event, we just wanted to make sure to take a look at all the um property owned by the city along the route and making sure that everything is in pristine shape for as much as possible for the uh visitors that are coming in for the events.

Yeah, the paint column is the most definitive aspect that there was no understanding of which you're clearly defined here.

Well, and just if to follow up, I mean, this is actually, and I think I've we've had this conversation in the commission meetings, and I've had it individually with a couple of you as well.

Um what these conversations are really highlighted is that and when we got this list.

I was sat in the room with uh Mark Hogan when he first pulled this list up.

Um, and I won't repeat what he was saying.

Because as he looked through, and many of the items on this list he did not know existed, none of us knew even existed.

Some of these are pretty, you know, they're plaques, they're things like that.

But it really is highlighted something that I think every person at this table has really emphasized for some time that we can be pretty awesome at building things, and we're not always as awesome about having a plan in place and finding a place to take care of those things.

So, with the Route 66 assets in particular, a lot of those have gotten built, and literally nobody one of our three departments typically takes care of almost all facilities around the city.

Um, and and obviously many times we do the together.

I mean, we work together on specific projects, such as the Gil Creek Trail, which is both a public works um asset and a parks asset.

Um, but we didn't even know that somebody's the we learned about them first a couple years later when somebody calls, you know, Mark and says, hey, something's broken, come fix it, and we didn't even know it existed.

So this is we had hoped to come here with this full plan in place, and then we got the list of all the assets and realized, oh, we're still driving around figuring out what some of the assets are, but what broadly, and these guys can vote that in because they've got a lot of responsibilities here too.

What we are working together on is to come through here, kind of really identify everything, make sure it's assigned to somebody, and then come back to you working on what we what we presume will be the uh maintenance costs on those on an ongoing device and come back to you with that.

And then in particular, um, counselor Bengal and the other counselors who are part of the Route 66 commission, um, we really want to propose that we we pause on building new things and that we until we really have a plan in place because we want these things uh and I know Mark Mark kind of left, but we will we're we will all be working together to make sure that the city looks good for for all those visitors who will be here over the next month.

Um but we want to make sure it lasts beyond that too, and that these are all things that you guys are proud of that they're in your district and that they look great.

So hopefully within the next um month or so we'll come back with some numbers on what we think a maintenance plan, and then um if there is the ongoing funding that comes through Vision Tulsa, or at least for some more time we've got the funds there, Route 66, but we'll be working with the commission as well on how we can make sure that funds are dedicated to taking care of things.

So happy to, these guys I'm sure uh may have some things to add.

And you guys have questions, we're all happier to answer them.

Yeah, just real quick the spreadsheet you do have this is keeping in mind it's a draft.

Uh all of our departments that are shown on here going through this.

We're still working out prices of what we think it is, whether it's an annual, some items don't necessarily have an annual cost, it's just if you have a person, uh we tend to have people veer off the streets and hit things.

Um so when that happens, it's gonna be more of a one-time expense to repair, and a lot of times when they hit it, uh we're finding more more times than not, they're not insured, so it tends to be 100% on the city to replace it.

Um, so that's one of the things that gets back to being self-insured, really.

It's just at that point in time, we'd have to find money, but there's not an annual money necessarily needed on some of these items.

So as Anna was saying, you know, we're still vetting through this.

We've we've got a bit of a history of uh finding grants, finding capital funding, and then later on not having annual funding then to maintain things.

So I think that just falls back to our facilities to these items, just trying to make sure moving forward, we've got an identified maintenance fund before we build things.

I think that's more and more critical for the city to do so that we don't build things and let them go into waste.

Um, so again, finding you know what sources that are a you know, somewhere down the road of Route 66 somehow through uh what funding source that would be, especially this being uh a very big tourism route, you know.

Maybe that's a future dedicated funding source to maintain all these items because as you'll see, this is a huge amount of items that have been built over the years just for Route 66 uh attractions and visitors.

So that's just something we'll have to come up with the costs and then down the road we'll have to figure out what that source of funding is.

You know, may not necessarily be general fund, it may be future sales taxes based upon you know tourism kind of locations and maintaining them because you've got our work and other things in the right way that exists that really doesn't have a means of maintaining either over the years that we've put in there.

So and another thing about it is you go through the list, these are are very um almost all of them are unique, they're not things that we normally do that we're regularly doing.

I uh I'm I'm looking forward to figuring out what maintenance costs will be on the crybaby statute, for example, or Cyrus A repository, or all different.

I mean, these are just things that we don't have something in place that tells us, oh yeah, this is exactly what maintenance looks like on these that dinosaur at Howard Cart.

There's gonna be a lot of things that will have interesting um, I'm sure uh maintenance uh needs in the future that we're not even you know that we don't even know until it happens, so and I only chuckle because we have folks checking the east and west every day, the neon signs every day, and keeping up with the vandalism on those four main pieces is extensive, and then if y'all would uh say a lot of prayer between now and then pray it is that we don't get a severe thunderstorm, lightning and hail because breaking on because the neon signs cost about five grand a piece each time the thunder blows the transformers, and then if the tubes get hit, it's more pricey than but that's not the biggest thing.

The biggest thing is there's only one person in town that can make the tubes for the neon, and the plastic on the east and west ends is really nice looking signs.

These are all beautiful pieces, but they're the lead time on making them look beautiful again after damage is difficult.

Of course, we have the neon sign park uh this west of the river.

So okay.

Several questions starting with Council Dex.

Okay, so I'm looking over.

It's awful small print for old eyes over here.

So I'm trying to calculate some numbers here.

Um you're trying to look by district for investment.

I'm looking for specifically what's in mind.

Yeah, that's what I was gonna, yeah.

So it just sounds like if you want this sorted by because is this a spreadsheet?

We could be sent and then we can sort by district.

Yeah, no district.

Yeah, okay.

Um, because I'm looking at MacIntyre Airport, Cyrus Avery, on Admiral, um Admiral Place, there's the motels on 11th Street, Route 66 Interpretive Plaza, Tulsa Auto Court, 8833 East Admiral Place, uh, the Route 66 Rising sculpture.

There's a whole list of east side attractions, and I say that loosely, that are still ignored and not addressed.

The Route 66 rising is still not lit up.

We're still working on that.

I've seen I drive by it every night just to see what the progress is.

The big light above it that's super blinding, does not do the Route 66 rising justice.

Um, and if you're coming from the east side, you see Tulsa, but 66 is meant for your western, I mean for your east vision.

So you're not seeing the 66 if you're going east for the Route 66 rising, you see it backwards.

The interpretive plaza, the plaques are all worn out, very difficult to read.

Um just and I'm not sure what this auto court you guys are talking about here on 88.

Um, again, this is still a work in progress.

So, I get it, it's been a work in progress since 2005.

I guess that's my point, and I bring this up in the commission meetings all the time.

It seems that other areas of the stretch of Route 66 have benefited greatly.

Uh the dinosaur, something new coming in.

I'm not opposed to that, but I'm just saying there's money that could have been spent on the projects that were designated from 2005 for the east side, and so here we are getting on May 30th, and I'm uh I'm gonna say it.

We want to call ourselves the capital of Route 66, except east of Yale, and that's a good eight-mile stretch.

And so, I appreciate all the efforts thus far, but I feel we've been shortchanged on the east side since 2005.

The fixtures on the lights out east were damaged, not replaceable, beyond repair.

We ordered new fixtures.

They were supposed to be here two weeks ago.

They were supposed to be here yesterday.

They're now looks like we can have two weeks out still.

You're just like anything else in the industry today.

Times is unbelievable and we're it can only fit something in the hole.

I can appreciate that, but it's been known for the last four years, Route 66 rising has not been lit up.

And I can also answer to that.

I can I can also say that's literally been a challenge of the commission to get that result.

I get that I did actually did have an artist who responded to an RFP to fix that and then didn't respond after that so we kind of went restarted that process again and that is that not correct so it's been a challenge to get that Route 66 sign that Route 66 price I really do at this down really concerted effort.

And finally we had to say we had to give an ultimatum to that artist to say you have this date to respond we really tried to get that fixed last year.

I understand and I understand with all the tariffs and everything that's happened just in the last year but we're still looking at four years and I appreciate the efforts that have gone into it thus far but I'm still grossly frustrated at the banners irony of being the chair on the route 66 I know not having a penny and and then there's the banners on the polls on 11th street the Route 66 banners and we're still missing quite a few and we're missing some polls for being those I thought the banners were replaced.

I've seen them there was there was a different batch of banners on 11th done years ago those those had issues that they were breaking off and there was never any replacement so as those have broken off and fallen we've just because they ended up being a hazard to cars and people and they were not a good design.

How are they a hazard to cars and people if they're in the media because if they break free on a windy day they blow into the driving lane.

Especially on a day like today so they as they we basically had to there was a a flaw in their design and we took most of those down because they were breaking and I've recovered a couple from in the medians that had fallen due to the wind but I've never seen any in traffic that I'm I'm still the banners have been down for over 10 years.

They were one again this highlights a one and done they were a one and done fund it's no different I mean this gets back to our trees and our beautification funding is you know in the past we've gone in and funded tree plantings and then there was no money behind so the trees all died.

11th Street is a great example of that with the beautification funding now we've gone back and re-oh vegetated all those corridors now and now we actually through the PSO beautification funds we have dedicated funding now to actually maintain them and we've got long term contracts with up with trees and and so this this sort of highlights the issue of one-time funding versus long-term maintenance and I think that's this is a perfect example of why you've got to be careful of authorizing a one-time expenditure if you're not going to have money in the background to maintain stuff and I think that's done that and I think you and I also right counselor but and you're also emphasizing why this is why the three of us are working together in the six rising I didn't even I mean my my electrician said I understand I'm supposed to go do something here they said is parks I said well that's not a park we didn't even know you know so we we literally somebody someplace thought parks would take care of that but it was never assigned to us we didn't have funding we didn't know it wasn't on this list so I think that's what we're really trying to say is how do and we're working on that I don't say how do we do it I'm telling you we are going to do that and come back and say this is what it takes.

There were things you mentioned like I think three things that I have no idea what they are and they're on this list.

The list by the way just for for sake of so everybody understands why we are surprised by some of the the list is was um pulled together by folks in um the planning group who went through you know kind of historically everything that has been added and as I said many of those things have never been none of the three of us were ever sort of told, hey, here's a thing, and you're going to be responsible for that.

So make sure it's in your budget this year.

So right.

One of our planners that retired that was part of the Route 66 everything.

Would call me whenever something broke and ask if May and Terry could figure out how to fix it.

But that was usually major things, lights.

Yeah, well, we still don't have lights on 11th street.

I do want to emphasize that as well.

And I'm looking, I just added the numbers for the cost on the in the margins here.

And for these just the few projects that I mentioned comes to a total of 741,000 763,000 roughly.

If I'm reading the numbers on the side correctly for the expenditure project cost, yeah.

I will note the dinosaur, that's all private funds.

Yeah, this doesn't distinguish here, so that was just that information.

I also appreciate what you've done for McClure Park as well, as far as like the lights in the parking lot, by the way.

I go by there frequently as well.

So that is much appreciated, and I think that's also gonna help and benefit on people traversing uh Route 66.

But I just wanted to vocalize the frustrations because I I remember when 2025 first came out in 2005.

That's when I had purchased my property on 11th Street, and I had high hopes that having being being an anchor at that time for uh various tourists coming from Europe was imperative, and so to be here 2026 and the centennial and still saying the lack of progress is just really frustrating.

One thing this shows how much we trust you guys.

This list is gonna give you is you're gonna know who to call it's gonna have everything on here, and you know you know you know how to reach us, and we're not gonna be able to say, Yeah, that's Mark's, that's not mine.

So I appreciate it.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Council Bellis.

Yeah.

Well, first off, I know that this takes a lot of coordination to figure out.

It looks like you had to really go dig in the archives to figure out where everything is, and then second, um, the first rule of fight club is don't talk about the crybaby hill sculpture.

I just can't.

Um, okay, but um yeah, like it just never again.

Um, but no, I um I guess I was curious, or just as like a food for thought thing related to as you're thinking about funding for maintenance for some of this.

I am curious which of these falls into different like main street program areas.

Like the Kendall Whittier, you know, and that those main streets have been able to leverage like those state match dollars that for what was it?

Like the um Kendall Whittier Main Street was able to get some state dollars to update like the clock and some other things recently, and that's uh something that they could apply for again.

Not not to put that on necessarily the main street to have sole responsibility of, but I'm just thinking of ways that the city could partner to try to access some other dollars with these main street areas to try to get great idea.

Yeah, I was just trying to think of because you know it is it's a lot to have to do maintenance for.

Um, and there will be, for example, at the um uh train depot in the village, um, and the uh Route 66 Main Street is housed on that same complex, and so those organizations do will do maintenance on most of those amenities there.

So just because something we're trying to be comprehensive, because if yes, those people could go away, and we are responsible for it still, but in every instance where there is a partnership or an opportunity to work with someone, we will be doing that.

So when we come back to you with that plan, we'll incorporate that as well.

That's a great suggestion.

If people have other suggestions where you think there are partners here, we'd love to you'd love to hear that.

Uh, because that's what I was just trying to think through because a prior point, like some of them are already doing that maintenance, or again, they're maybe our grant opportunities through those programs.

I think that could be really helpful, and then of course, obviously, like some of these, if it's you know, something that's being maintained, like a marker on you know, the Bama companies buildings.

Let's hope maybe they'll come in and help with that one.

I don't know.

I'm just thinking of you know those different corporate or nearby corporate partners.

I sorry, I just started instantly thinking through all of the how are we gonna maintain all of these things now that we're looking at the full list, and that's challenging.

Um, and then I was just gonna check on I had a question about I think two.

Well, one is just so you all know I don't know if this person ended up following up.

I gave him contact info, but someone found in an estate sale a Cyrus Avery bridge historical marker.

That you can actually go physically see where it should be on the bridge.

Like once you know once you see the size of the thing when you go, you're like, Oh, it's supposed to be there, but who knows how long it hasn't been on the bridge.

I'll I'll follow up and track it back down if that person never followed up with.

I don't think so.

Okay, I'll make a note.

But yeah, someone someone found a whole little historic marker of for yeah, isn't that cool?

Um okay, I will make a little note.

Um, and then the other thing I was curious about is I remembered um neon quarterslash neighborhood formerly known as Forest Orchard, or maybe it was the Meadow Gold area doing something with the RIT 66 planters like Kimberly and Norman.

I just wasn't sure if like it.

Well, the Rue 66 planters, yeah.

Originally, the responsibility of the Route 66 Commission to maintain.

Okay.

Now there are some license agreements in place because no a lot of places saw that as a hardship, they didn't really want to deal with them once they were out there.

Right.

So there are some groups that have done license agreements, where they brought them up closer to the building, especially around Medigold.

You'll notice some of them have pushed them and those are covered with individual license agreements with individual businesses.

Okay.

Uh there was one started with Kendall Whittier, but I don't think they ever executed it.

So they started to do a license agreement for theirs, but we don't have an executed copy, so I don't we're still researching to see if it ever got formally executed.

But that that would have covered those roots planners.

They were a one-time expenditure, and again, if somebody, like a car ran into them or something like that, we would just go as my department, we would just go pick them up and and haul them off because they're they're not replaceable.

They were custom-made, one-time made.

So and there's enough others that people don't want.

We would if they really like theirs, we would probably find one that doesn't want one and move it over there.

But other than that, it's it's really day-to-day responsibility falls under the Route 66 Commission as funding allows.

I think's how the agreement says, which to honest point, then if they are no longer there, it falls back to the city of Tulsa.

Everything falls back to City of Tulsa ultimately.

That's just sort of the way the world works for us.

We think this will be, I think it'd be a good tool for the Route 66 Commission as well.

And that's a good point.

Um we'll divide it by council district, and it might take a little time and get that back to you, but then that can help you sort of see where assets are and where you want to invest.

One other thing I would encourage, and it's about this, and and but everything, and I know you guys have all heard me say this before.

Um, when discussion comes up on building something cool and new, involve who you think will be taking care of it in those early discussions.

Because one of the problems is like on Neon, Neon's really hard, and we can't do that in-house.

So if if and it seems super cool to do this thing and it's awesome, and then suddenly Mark's got to get a contract and and take care of it.

And if some of those conversations were happening earlier, you guys have heard me talk about this before, but you know, sometimes we put a thing here and it just it made mowing just enough harder that it can't be done with a commercial mower.

And now somebody has to get off, and nobody talked to the people who mow it.

Now somebody has to get off, and weed eat it or hand mow it, and that becomes that drives up our cost and absolutely unintentional on the original park.

So though, you know, things where you can't change the light bulbs without a lift are become much more expensive.

Are these, for instance?

I'm just thinking through the future of city art installations per what you just described.

Is that is that being incorporated into part of that kind of review decision process since those are like now we know those unintended consequences?

So probably that's a really I don't know that it is, but I will make sure that that is raised with our um arts um or public arts.

I would just wonder since you end up with like you know, asset manager doing it, you know, you know, somebody else doing it later, it might make sense to be like, okay, we're considering this installation.

Someone's gonna have to come in and do it, and just making sure that maybe you three get to review as well to sign off that you're like the maintenance is actually feasible, yeah, or you're very clear on what would have to be done for maintenance that you don't end up in that situation where you inherit a situation again.

Anything in parks that's our is it safe.

I'm always like, it's just gonna, you know, can a kid hurt themselves on it?

Is it can we can we does it impact our maintenance?

Does it impact other uses there?

Is it sometimes these things happen where it blocks wheelchair access or something unintentionally, so you know you gotta make sure you're protecting the the other uses as well, and then they can figure out if it's good art or not.

That's not my job.

And I'll tell I mean we've I've been working with Susan Miller's group because they've got that neighborhood money, you know, and they've been meeting with all the neighborhoods of what what assets they want to build in their neighborhoods and really been trying to decide low to no maintenance items they install, not high maintenance items because some of the items originally that were in their wish list um just had to say it can't the city can't afford to have because it gets into high maintenance.

So we've been working with them too, you know, as we move into some of those wish lists of those improvements at each of those neighborhoods with their money we're trying to get where it's more of a um where it's doable for the city long-term maintenance wise.

So we have been working with with her group on that.

That is something that will end up in one of our one of our group's hands more than likely mine on this on that one uh mostly.

A magnet for cars to hit the that's why we should never have another fountain anywhere near a fountains are the baseball.

But is the uh traffic circle fountain not doing great?

Sorry, too soon.

I know.

That's another fact that we'll put a plant on that at some point.

Yeah, it's okay.

We could put a crying baby on top of it again.

Counselor, Dr.

Roy.

Thank you.

Um I appreciate Counselor Dutton, you elevating your frustrations.

I know the previous counselor, probably counselors, Patrick, also have those frustrations.

Um District 7 doesn't touch the route, but we certainly will benefit from all the visitors being in town, whether it's locals that are trying to get off the route and they'll come to 71st Street or people in town that will do more than just yeah that'll just stay.

So um I'm not I've not been actively involved as a counselor in the commission and things, but having worked in Kendall Whittier and seeing you know the activation there, I definitely um excited about what we're doing.

Thank you to you all for doing this matrix.

It's a little astounding that one didn't exist, but there's always time to do something better.

I would um one I'm gonna zoom out for a second.

We're gonna be doing an IoT four package or some sort of vision thing.

Can we put in the process a fiscal impact statement and maybe in the RFPs also have like anticipated uh maintenance costs or feasibility for replacement, like for materials?

I mean, we can't predict the future, but we could maybe have a scoring rubric that's like if you use more sustainable materials or you know, do something so it's lower to the ground or whatever, where they get higher points, something because I think we get excited about the concept, and then we just go let's figure out how to do it.

And I think we do need to value engineer some of this stuff, um, to the point that we can.

Um on the Route 66 thing is specifically, a lot of investments have been made over 20 plus years.

Uh private private investment, public investment partnerships, and I think what I just heard is the Route 66 Commission is kind of charged with the task of doing this, obviously with huge backing from the city.

Is there a way to quantify the general fund revenues that come off of Route 66 investment and then chip off a piece to go into an ongoing maintenance fund?

Has anyone ever looked at that?

Or could we?

Meaning the the economic impact?

Yeah, so like I mean, so we say, I'm just gonna it's a million dollars coming in because of the attractions.

Could we chip off, you know, one percent for maintenance?

I'm just using a million, I'm sure it's multiple times that, but that way we don't run into like, well, Hogan has to pull it off the maintenance for these, right?

And you don't have to pull off regular park maintenance, you don't have to pull it off routine and preventative maintenance.

There's actually a dedicated fund because we said we want to be the home of Route 66.

I don't imagine that after May 30th, we're like whoo, we're done and we're not doing anything else.

Hopefully, we're looking at Yale and heading east, right?

For the next 25 years or whatever it is, but if we know we're gonna continue to add these things and it's gonna continue to draw extra people to our community, then we have to take the responsibility of investing the same way we would do on public art or anything else, you know.

And I'm preaching to the choir.

Like we look across the street, the tea pack, and we're like, we should update a maintenance fund, right?

But I'm just wondering from a policy standpoint for us to not continue to do what we've done, which is dream big, build the thing, and some future groups gonna figure out how to keep it going, um, even like animal services we talked about.

Like if we could kind of contain it to the route to the facility to have this revolving, you know, we've talked about BOK brings in the dollars, we can use it to kind of spread over a convention center.

Just work a little smarter so that folks like you don't have to one go, I didn't know it was our group, great.

Great, I didn't ask for money in the budget, or we're already outside of our maintenance fund.

So I gotta pull it off here and hope we'll get dollars later on a FEMA reimbursement or whatever.

I mean, it's just we all know there's more need than resources, but I think we do have a responsibility when we ask the voters to support a thing that we've also thought through how do we sustain it.

Because I don't want to build things today that my kids, 50 years from now, are like, well, we gotta tear it down because they didn't come up with dollars to keep it going.

Um, so I would say as we head towards whatever the next package is, we as leaders go, hey, let's look at how we're doing it and either put it in the front end when we're dreaming big, but also on the RFP side, so that people can indicate to us like I've thought about changing the angle here so that uh you know, a mower can get through and it won't have to be hand trimmed.

Um, and then for the Route 66 commission, just help me understand.

Do you all are now that you have something like this?

Would you go to them and say we need maintenance?

We need to collectively ask for maintenance dollars in a budget.

Like, is that what you're now that you have kind of an inventory?

Or are you still anticipating that it would be by department?

Uh I guess it could be in the way.

I'm assuming it would be by department, but I mean, my hope is that we're able to come back with the plan and um the the commission and the council uh can support and look at that, and that may be allocated by the three departments, but it's it's it's tied to specific assets and specific, you know.

Oh, these are the things that need to get mowed, and that's an easy cost for us to come up with.

We might generically have a you know, it might make sense to have a sort of designated replacement account that you can tap into for things like a sign or a plaque or whatever, since that's a thing that you could go years without having to do, or you could do five of them in one month, you know, and and so each department can't really predict other than just coming up with generic records.

Well, and I'm thinking of our new signs that we're trying to get the two anchors in, but there's more to come after.

Those will have to be maintained.

No, those are gonna remain it's free.

You're gonna be out there, that's your retirement job.

There's counselor like spreading the graffiti off.

Are you talking about the vision welcome and also songs?

Like we came up with all this money.

That's it as I even include those four slides.

No, I know, but I'm just saying, like, those are going to be those are vision of landscaping, so they're gonna have power, and they have four groups 66 on them.

So, like, how are they?

Is there some guy out there hand trimming around the sign and volunteers?

Yeah, so it's just I mean, we drink we drumped it up and we were all excited.

I'm gonna have 80 first to 90 person.

Lincoln's out there scrubbing graffiti off of it.

He's the personal beautification officer for South Tulsa.

Um, you that's your retirement job.

I've already grouped somebody will try to steal a little, whether or not they can, they damage it.

So, maybe we make it like no, I'm just kidding.

Oh, I've said yellows, no one ever was.

Anyway, you all are super smart and know in detail what these things run.

We are able to dream big and get people to support what we do, but then we also need to do our due diligence, and I'm not placing blame anywhere.

The last thing I would say is, is it possible to get something like this?

Not anytime soon, but maybe in the next year, of all the art and all the stuff, all the fountains.

Because I imagine there's probably more that's like, oh, that's parks.

No, that's maybe that's um, you know, uh asset management.

Oh no, that's not ours, that's not theirs.

We have it in my district, these weird medians that are in the middle of neighborhoods that have like a dead tree on it, and literally the neighbors are like, Well, that's the city, and the city's like, No, that's you all.

That's your HOA that doesn't hasn't existed for 40 years.

So then that tree just is still dead in the middle, and it's you know, so I imagine we got these weird boulevard things, you know, and burning tree and just little things like that.

So, some maybe interns or something, because if we can get it codified, then no matter who's leaving or who's coming in, at least it lives somewhere.

And most of the stuff that's like mowing and all that, we've already got a GIS layer that shows all those responsibilities.

Now, like the case you're talking about where an HOA dissolved.

And you know, that was actually platted in there, flat, you know.

You know, unfortunately, the city of Tulsa's gonna be on the hook for those.

Right, but I imagine cumulatively they're all across the city.

Yeah, yeah.

That just goes.

But I mean, other than that, we we have this we have this uh unassigned list, we used to call it the orphan list that we've worked on over the years that you know, like when trails came about.

So we've we've had this in the background for quite a while.

It's just Route 66 happened, just a lot of funds got put into one area very, you know, over a period of time to build this one corridor up, unlike any corridor I don't know that I know of until so got built up, and it's just unfortunately the people who got the funds weren't the people that had to maintain it.

Right.

So that's sort of where you know the departments that went and asked for the funding and got the construction funding, uh, weren't the same ones who ultimately get handed it, and that's where this list you know, sure.

One just where I did think we're doing it right, Anna, is with the development out at 71st Street doing that public private and already anticipating what it's gonna take to maintain 60 acres of park, public park, um, and making sure that the private developer in the RFP knew that that was going to be a shared.

I think that's super smart because it'll be a great amenity, but hopefully the way it's structured, we won't be going like, Well, the playground equipment is 20 years old now, and who's gonna help change it over?

We'll have the little dedicated fund.

So I hope in the whatever the next packages, we can contemplate a main a dedicated maintenance fund for stuff we already own.

And then if we're dreaming of any new things, which I everyone's all excited about a soccer stadium, but given what we're doing with the BOK Center and RVS, like we need to learn from the challenges that we have that it has to be baked in from the front.

And I think one thing that hurts us too is we tend to have partners who eventually disappear on us, like we did that with Brookside, business association.

We did all those flower beds for them, and then they did it for like a year or two, and then they quit maintaining them and then started calling 311 saying the city needs to come fix them, uh, even though they were built for them.

Um, you know, and we've had you know issues, you know, even you go down to the dam, you know, the zinc dam, originally it was intended that Tulsa County would pay for half the maintenance, and then they backed out on the falsa, you know, two years ago.

We got left with the entire bill for that.

So I think it's some things like that that you know over time we need to if we're gonna build it too is figure out how we well, and when people give us things when we get gifts from other cities or whatever, to make sure we think through with the Trojan horse aspect.

I I will I'm just and I know everybody who knows me knows I've been talking about maintenance for many years, as as both of these guys have as well.

But uh I'll give the commission a lot of credit because I think you elevated in a way that really helped everybody stop just we we we focused on it sort of in this individual response.

You know, this is a problem, let's figure out how to deal with this one problem.

And so that kind of pushed it up to where let's be more strategic and to not that Terry and Mark and you know, parts that these departments haven't worked together.

I don't think we we've been as intentional as strategic about like really developing a plan that goes, you know, citywide, and so hopefully that'll be a model for for how we do other things to your point.

These other these other assets or public art as it gets because the public art again, it'll be put someplace and somebody's responsible for it when it gets if it gets damaged or whatever.

So, really kind of thinking through that and and being more strategic and planning and including it in the packages.

I mean, absolutely.

So appreciate you guys making us do this with that.

But it's worth it.

We need to do 66 east, like a focus.

Yeah, okay, Councillor Lake in Europe.

Yeah, you and I are on the same page on the I wrote down capital project maintenance fund, which is not a good acronym.

Um but I was trying to think of something catchy, that or a bid or something like that.

Um for not just Route 66, and I would say let's get started with this budget year.

You know, let's not wait on a we're we're gonna.

I was thinking about those vision dollars, right?

That you know, maybe we should look and see if a little bit can start with that.

Well, something we're just let's just start one in every single budget year, we have to invest something in that so that we can at least grow an endowment fund to take care of the things that we own.

Okay, and if we have really important retail or historical corridors, you know, the problem with bids is that it assesses on the business owners.

It'd be great if we could just say, well, in this corridor, the tax rate goes from 8.517 to 8.617, so that one-tenth can be used in that corridor alone.

I mean I kind of was thinking about what overlay options.

We'll just create something like that about the market district.

They need to create a business improvement district.

Yeah, but with the bid, I think it's just an assessment on the business owners.

So they're just having to pay more of their property taxes.

I know, but that's what we're doing.

I think on the sales tax side is where we could know.

Usually the idea is that they're getting something back for it, which I guess this could be generating more tourism.

I think we ought to start something with our own investments and then think of something creatively for even Brookside.

You know, if we if Brookside really wants to have nice sidewalks, nice water beds, nice streetscaping, landscaping, lightscaping, all that other stuff, then let's do something that causes that to happen every single year through a dedicated investment.

Okay, so my my question is really probably right on the edge of the agenda language, but what are we doing between May 25th and May the 30th to make sure the route is mowed, is free of graffiti, is free and clear of trash and everything else.

It feels like thing one and two need to come through and do a clean sweep.

The street sweeping were already because of the ARPA money that we got additional.

We do weekly street sweeping on the Route 66.

Graffiti will make a run on that.

I will tell you, we last week sent an email to the railroad over there by Crystal City asking the railroad, you know, and uh and then um Mayor's office has reached out also to the railroad uh through their contacts, trying to get them to um, because we can't really go mow their right away because we're we're trespassing and it's close enough to the rail that it gets back, we'd have to pay for Flagman to be there with us, even so it would get very expensive.

So we're asking them to maintain their property there, but other than that, um code enforcement.

Yeah, code enforcement actually was out um on Admiral this past weekend.

So I would just say all all eyes on Route 66 for the next three weeks trying to get that whole thing just for our big thing.

This is this is clean up your house because the guests are coming over and we want them to think that we always live this year.

If you have to shove stuff in the oven in the dishwasher, yeah, no bad.

Oh, am I the only one who does that?

Um, yeah, yeah, absolutely.

Howard Carr, Tracy Park, and the other thing.

And we would do this for the long term.

We would do this long term as well.

You want me to pull it back to the agenda?

Well, those three assets, those three route 66 assets.

We did a big issue.

But yeah, well, but it takes time at most and actually do those things.

So I actually think they were doing it at the right time.

And we're putting out there.

At those three locations because we we know that there's some gatherings, particularly around the parade at Tracy Park.

So we're putting out extra trash cans.

Um I told them to plan on doing extra, you know, go beforehand, especially the weekend when we have the uh parade.

Um the car parade, uh, before and after that to, you know.

I mean, people can come in the middle of the night and do graffiti and stuff, but it's as close to that, get everything clean, put out the extra trash cans, come immediately afterward to pick up all the extra trash.

Um, so yeah, we're okay.

Okay.

Are you done counseling?

Are you gonna get those out?

Are you giving those to them?

What do you got there?

I know.

No, I'm just playing.

I I'm just messing around with them.

I'll probably have it.

So doodle around.

Uh I thought there was gonna be some presentation.

We're gonna we'll come next time with the donation cup.

Yeah, if everything that you say is done, then you may have one of these.

I remember too quote, after May the third.

Counselor Lake, if you have anything.

That's it.

Thank you.

Okay, counselor or chief.

Uh I think everything I've I think everything I had written down to say was has has been said.

Um I appreciate um Mike Miller and the entire team putting whatever pressure we can on the rail lines.

Um there has been mowing around our monument on Southwest Boulevard.

But yeah, so that's that's one thing.

The other question was about the triangle signs, maintenance.

Uh put it like the welcome and tells the signs.

But I think the point I was gonna make, I think Councilor Dector Wright made is on the front end when you do the RFPs because embedding that maintenance pri as a priority in the beginning, and you know, it'll be a sort of a wider scope of you want to do this.

Well, there's a whatever you gain, you have to maintain, so it just paints the uh more comprehensive picture, which yeah, so um thank you for this.

Thank you.

Okay, Counselor Gilbert.

Um thank you.

Um I pretty much everything that I was gonna say is said the same, but I would like to get the uh a group together to start planning that um RFP process as we move forward with our next uh capital improvement package and making sure that when we do these projects, as um Anna said earlier um that we do have that fund uh to make sure that we're able to maintain that new structure.

So um, but I also want to thank you guys for putting this together.

Um, this is the first time that I have seen something like this being done, and um I just appreciate all your uh hard work on this.

So thank you.

I would like to, if it's all right with the chair of Route 66 Commission to bring this to the commission so that they can uh look at it as well.

So um if you could come to the next the next meeting, which I think is next week, yeah, one Thursday, Tuesday is the agenda already.

I don't think so.

Um Beth does that.

So we'll get with her.

And we think this is comprehensive, but if the if as you look through this, if somebody says, oh yeah, here's yet something else on this list that's for the way maybe went through a different path or something, you're sure to let us know.

Well, you you said it so well that we're so good at building things, but we we don't have that fund to maintain, and that's where we are right now with BOK, unfortunately, and trying to take care of our best on convention center, so um, along with other uh assets that we have.

So, um thank you very much for your hard work on this.

Appreciate it.

Okay, got 15 minutes.

We're gonna keep on going down the list.

Counselor Bingle.

Final last one.

Yeah, do you want to be last?

Maybe last.

Okay, it's really short.

Council Mills.

This is just when you all go to update the spreadsheet.

Can you actually send us the like Excel?

Like, you know, like file.

Okay.

There's something about between this or hold on.

So there's something, okay.

This is I have a conspiracy theory going.

Between like this and the capital improvement list and things like that, no one ever wants us to have a spreadsheet file.

I got everything.

I love being able to read it and print out.

It's all the hidden columns.

No, I don't know if it's the hidden columns or I understand that things move around, so it's not, but my thing is whenever I want to go like control F and search and query, it's like we're never well or sword things sometimes.

Exactly, but we never get that.

Well, I can forward this one to Sarah.

This is a live link, so I don't want to have a channel.

That's totally fair, but if there's just like a phrase, it apps.

I've got a same version I did right before I came up here.

I'll email it.

Because I get it, like I get it.

I check files and I don't give people edit access.

Yeah in the spreadsheet, so that's why it's all hands.

No, that's totally fair, but between this and the capital improvement list.

There's just so many times that we get handed this, and I'm like, God, I would kill for the spreadsheet file, and it's elusive.

That doesn't sound even remotely nerdy.

Yeah, I know.

Yeah, I hear it, but yeah, and there's numbers down at the bottom of asset management, or just myself and one of my staff this morning looking at this going, hey, did you know we had all this stuff and it's worth this much?

And what do you think it would cost us to maintain it based on what we've seen so far?

And I did look at all these monuments and they've been out there a while, and not so good.

And I don't believe that the project cost that was spent at the time they were put in is the replacement cost in today's dollars.

Of course not.

And every one of those is custom, and it's not something you're gonna just drop out of the park tomorrow.

Except for the million dollar undercarriage at the Cyrus Avery centennial.

Correct.

The what?

The million dollar undercarriage.

The undercarriage.

Yeah.

The carriage, you know.

All the undercarriages cost a million dollars.

That one was the most expensive one.

That was back a while ago that we had that discussion.

Okay, Kelser Lake and expensive.

Okay, so two more questions that I failed to ask.

Are the big signs up?

Are they going up?

When are they going up?

They are going up.

We're we keep pushing Claude Neon to be done by that date.

So right now we anticipate them being there, but to Mark's point, we're we're not the ones building.

These are the ones that we were talking about.

It's just the two big entries.

We've got a contract, Claude Neon's group is uh actively building them and trying to get them done in time.

So we are.

What can we do to help?

Uh do you want to call Claude Neon?

Other than that, Matt Lichen calls them every every day to talk to them.

Is James there still there?

I don't know.

Okay.

If you wanna if you want to reach out to them, yeah.

If anybody's watching, call Claude Neon and tell me.

Tell me you love them.

How important those signs are.

We have been re-emphasizing with them every time he Matt talks to them of this is the importance for that weekend.

Especially the one in West Tulsa, where they'll be wanting to take pictures with it, you know, at the at the Route 66 Village there.

But yeah, and then the last question relates to just the old historical bridge.

I know we probably have sufficient fencing and everything else up, but all that graffiti around that area that Paul McCartney went and visited whenever he was in town that made me nauseous that he was sitting amongst all that graffiti.

Um you probably liked it.

Well, I don't know if he did or not.

But it's the next album covered.

Exactly.

With with the ARPA funding, we went and moved all the vegetation, the vegetation that had grown up around those entry points.

We don't go out on the bridge itself.

Oh no, it's it's on it's down, yeah.

You show so you go down the sides and it's all up on the sides, and then around the corner, you know.

If you if you go under the new bridge, the multimodal bridge, then it's all down there, all on the piers.

If somebody could just go do a put some LBD going down on the piers, but yeah.

Oh well, I'm I'm not asking every single element, but if somebody will go just look, I think that would be we've we've been focusing on unkept look of it, which was the vegetation growing up through the fencing uh adjacent to the road, and we addressed that with Open Trees came in and cleared that out as part of the offer funding.

We planted trees along Route C C six.

Uh that was some of that funding, um, and that's all been completed.

We did that.

Uh did that removal of all those things that were growing up about a month ago.

So that part's been all addressed.

But we'll take a look at it and see.

Oh, this on your first question.

Susan Miller, planning is inviting anybody who'd like to go with them to Claude Neon tomorrow to see the construction happening.

So it's the planning has a time.

I don't know.

That way they were gonna reemphasize tomorrow also.

They know this is their chance to shine.

I mean, we are you can you better how many times we're leaning, we're relying on Claude Neon, so they want to look good because they you know make the city look good.

So friendly support probably more than stick, I think we'll be so.

And we we had a group of I think it was eighty or ninety people who came out um a few weeks ago along with Osiris of volunteers and got rid of so much um graffiti and cleaned up and did all kinds of things.

They did, they worked, I mean they worked hard.

Thank you.

Okay, bring us home.

You have nine minutes.

I have nine minutes.

Well, until four phones.

You'd have two minutes for exactly eight minutes and 13 seconds.

All right, I don't want to grandstand then.

So obviously, this list has been in the works for a while collecting this, so I appreciate planning and no, they just did it.

You guys working on all this, so.

So I've always said this is a challenge because the first IoT package, you come in here and you're not building anything, you're fixing neglect from previous generations of failure to plan ahead.

Is a little harder, right?

Um because those types of buildings change.

I know as facilities grow older, they're gonna take more and more dollars to maintain.

This one has frustrated me uh to know when just as much as you, counselor.

But this is another one of those lists where you're coming in here, they built everything in one portion of the city, and saying, Well, now we need the money to maintain it after we built it.

So that means you don't get money for doing anything in your portion of the city.

And the money that was allocated got reallocated.

As I've told you, this is a marathon.

Right.

And so I understand that because we're now in this position, we've allocated money specifically, the ARPA funds that previously were going to go to something else.

We've now rededicated to an actual good purpose.

Um the state signs, like you talked about the Trojan horse gifting sometimes.

Now we're gonna have four state Route 66 signs that are now gonna have to be maintained that were gifts from the state, and those are being placed in specific areas.

Yeah, so if you're not aware of that, the state gifted us for 66 signs, so that's gonna have to go on this.

The state should have to take care of that maintenance.

You've got to build C highway lighting for that answer.

So I I'm challenged just as much as you are by this because I have zero.

Yeah, and I have from a hundred and ninety-third, I literally am the entrance off 193rd.

You have the original admiral corridor, but it comes in off 193rd.

I have literally nothing.

I know I drove through there last time.

I think the challenge for me is is I understand that we built this stuff, but I know that we have to fix this stuff before we can move and build anything else, and so as we look at vision, because I talked about this during the council retreat about more funding, vision funding that was allocated for this kind of stuff.

So this is more neglect that we're having to fund and figure out how to do it.

So purposefully in the discussion when we build something else, the rubric, I totally agree with you guys.

Um, if these are in destination districts, there should be some partnership about grant funding and maintaining some of this stuff.

Not we're gonna build stuff and then be allowed to abandon it and then put it back on the taxpayer.

So I really want us to fix the things that need to be fixed, and I don't want us to build anything else until we have a solid plan on fixing what is on this list permanently and having a maintenance fund for it.

So I'll stop with this list, huh?

I'll stop with this list.

All right, so anyway, that's all I had to do.

I hope you guys know how hard it was for the three of us not to be the whole time because this is something that we've all been just really advocating for.

So it really helps a lot of things.

They started out with an initial assessment about the specific businesses, as they've come to us on a regular basis to tell us where they are in that.

So yeah, there's been funding for all this, but that'll be neat to see those signs in place.

I know I'm excited to see it.

Okay, okay.

With that, we are adjourned.

Thank you guys five minutes.

Thank you.