Colleges for property located at 700 North Greenwood Avenue University Center at Tulsa Edition to install use and maintain two walkway canopies and a brickpaper walkway within the street right away.

City Council District One.

Paul, I was looking for you to come up to the table.

Paul's agree public works.

If you've ever driven in the old university center Tulsa area and gone through OSU, you're gonna say those two canopies and those brick pavers have been there ever since they built that place back in 1994.

Um what's happened is something came up that involved the betterments that were going to be adversely impacted and we could not find the license agreement uh for it.

And now that it's an OSU Board of Regents property, there could have been under University Center at Tulsa at the time under a different authority.

So what we're doing is we're just bringing this back up to date.

These bridges are not a city responsibility.

The papers through there are not a responsibility.

If they have tripping hazards by students crossing in there, that's a university issue that is not a city of Tulsa issue.

So we did the search as much as we could, and with the changing of authorities, etc.

We just thought it'd be easiest to probably just bring it up to date.

So the pictures that you see in there, um, we did send them a letter.

We want the proper uh M U T C D, which is the manual on uniform traffic control devices.

We want the proper signage to meet for things that are going over roadways for delivery trucks, etc.

So we're just bringing it in.

I'm just gonna say into the 21st century, and everybody's got uh institutional knowledge about it now, to where that's I think is just what's been lost over time, and now we have a record of it.

So we would ask uh for your support of this to clarify duties on maintenance uh with the Board of Regents and the City of Tulsa.

We're all in agreement on this, and we had received no objections at all from any of the groups that we spoke with.

So we would ask for your approval with this reinstituting a license agreement that's just not been found in our records, so it's a needed item.

Well, I appreciate that, just ma'am.

Any questions, comments?

No, okay.

Let's move on to agenda item number three.

Paul, you're still here for that, right?

Yes, ma'am.

Change order number one to contract number one three eight zero six eight between the city of Tulsa and Crossland Heavy Contractors Incorporated for project number 2036 and 1153Z, and the amount of 28,530.45 cents, and adding 120 calendar days necessary for the addition of a waterline materials needed for design change, two-inch air relief valve for total six by six DI Cross, uh, blah blah.

Sorry.

That's a lot of numbers.

Fill us in there, Paul.

Okay.

Um, what this what this is is we on our street project, we had a water line.

We're gonna have to pour underneath this tree with this tree's road system was damaging the street, it's also damaging the sidewalk, and the tree's health was not of such too just to keep it around.

So we're removing the tree, but in removing the tree, we've removed the bore, and we're adding in uh some the two inch lines, the two inch relief valve.

We're putting in a six-inch water line, so we already had that a six by six ductal iron cross uh for a water line connection uh with restrained joints on it, and also two additional uh six-inch uh ductile iron plugs, and we're also removing a larger under tree uh just to kind of give you an idea.

It's around 10 grand to get it completely out and dug out from underneath the street and clearing all the road system.

So in doing that, we believe we could have bored under it, but we would have still had tripping issues, the road degradation.

Uh so for $28,000, which is 1.3 percent of the overall contract, um, we're gonna be able to make an improvement.

This will outlast the length of the roadway, so it's conditioned.

So we would support this, and the the contractor is ready to move as soon as you all move.

So we would ask for your approval of this item.

What type of tree was that?

A big one.

One with deep roots, right?

Yeah, deep and shallow.

Spreading and damaging.

Okay, well, just thought I'd ask.

Okay, um counselor Archie.

Yes.

Um I'm sorry.

It's okay, that's funny.

No, you're all right.

I have two questions.

Where is this project at in district two?

It's in maintenance zone 1153.

So it's in Council District 1.

I believe.

Oh, could it say 2?

Did it say that on the RFS?

It does say two.

Okay.

Well then.

Okay.

Okay.

It shouldn't.

Unless it's an old number with it.

As you know, the air zones change when the council district would adjust it.

So I need to make sure that the old 1153, the time that this project was voted, could now be into.

And I'm sorry.

And as I'm driving around, just I can see like, oh, that's what that is.

I will get you the exact location and show you what it is.

And then finally, when you all deal with trees, have an upper tree things.

I know we have an arborist here.

So the arborist, what was that?

Exactly.

That's what we do with the arborist, and that we have them make the decision on a lot of our trees.

But then an arborist comes out.

We look it's got green leaves on it, it looks healthy.

It's like, no, this in three or four years you guys are gonna be out here taking this down.

And whenever you bore under a tree and do other things, sometimes you try not to hit ridge, you try not to do things like that, but you disturb inside the drift line of a tree of that size.

That's why we tell people when we're working and they have a tree die within a couple of years after our job, and they see we'll go back and take care of that tree.

Because you could be doing latent damage to a tree of that size.

So no, we do consult with an arbitration.

We also have one in our storm folks, as one as well as one in the parks department, and we utilize those guys exclusively to evaluate the trees before we we don't want to take down 48-inch, 54-inch diameter trees anywhere.

But if they're destroying sidewalks and they're destroying people's driveways, and we we can't fix it, then we need to take, you know, then we take it out.

Understood.

Thank you so much.

Counselor Gilbert?

Can you transmit it?

Not this tree.

Um so your department always has really nice paper when you bring handouts, so I'm expecting nicer paper for this tree that you're this tree will give me my next year's paper.

So our FY27 budget went down because I've got a new tree to make some paper out of the goodness.

Okay.

Yeah, right.

Do you want it in your front yard?

No, we're in.

I could tell you a story where somebody did.

We did have a project for Catusa, they moved it into midtown and it died.

Yeah, they brought it in on a semi-trailer and tried to flip it up in this guy's front yard.

It was pretty comical, but anyhow.

You can't just uproot them and remove them or they know you cannot have a turtle shift to the boat.

Young trees, yes, big.

What if the turtles moving?

If it's a stream, you cannot relocate a turtle.

Just like you could have a urban coyote, except for that.

So I saved the turtle.

He was in the street.

Yeah, he used a campaign.

He was not happy with me.

No turtles will fall that way.

What are the ones that collected?

Thank you, Paul.

We digress.

Okay, moving on to agenda item number four.

Ordnance, naming, increment district.

Were there any further questions by the way?

No.

Okay.

Ordnance naming direct.

Increment district A and the Pro District Neighborhood Economic Development Project Plan is increment district number 27.

City of Tulsa and establishing the date of creation thereof, ratifying and confirming the actions, recommendations, and findings of the review committee and the Tulsa Metropolitan Area Planning Commission with regard to increment district A.

Ratifying and confirming the City of Tulsa's enactment with regard to ordinance number two five six four one approving and adopting the Pro District Neighborhood Economic Development Project Plan.

Establish the project area and establish increment district A, confirming the designation of the city of Tulsa and the City and the Tulsa Authority for Economic Opportunity as the entities authorized to carry out an administered said project plan, including the tax apportion med fund and the use of increment revenues for payment of project costs.

Hi, Audrey Blank from the department.

I'm Mike Dickerson with ordinary process.

And um in 20 in July 2025, you all um enacted the ordinance creating the Pearl District Project Plan, which is an advantage project plan and deferred uh creating the actual TIFF district, and now there's a project on the board that is uh and it's time for the district A to be named and created, and it'll be Chip 27, City Tulsa.

Okay.

No, Audrey did a great job.

Um, as recall last year we we had a lot of discussion about these new tips.

The Pearl uh project plan was brought forward, adopted, and uh we deferred the creation until such time as we were ready for catalytic projects to um begin generating that increment, and here we are to start the clock on this.

All right, thank you.

Councilor Bangle.

Yeah, what catalytic project?

So there is a large multifamily uh apartment complex that is going in.

Uh they've done some clearing of the lands out there, but we also have been in talks with a few town home developers uh throughout the district, as well as another um potential uh multifamily project.

So, right now, does seem to be the right time to start outing this.

So these are brand new or these would all be brand new.

Okay.

It's empty lots.

Uh counselor Bellis.

Do you know if it still includes the parking garage asta?

It does.

Oh good.

Yes, it does.

Yeah, just give me to my council colleagues that you know the the Pearl District has so many empty lots because there's all that floodplain and things like this.

So this is a catalytic project that a lot of the TIFF is really formed around.

Um, and what's exciting with it having parking with it is that we won't repeat that Cherry Street factor where you people just kept knocking down houses behind each business to create a parking lot.

So this will help us you kind of more strategically have some good urban planning and design in that area as it grows.

Are you a go being in that?

Kind of just like on the edge of that.

Yeah, it's really proxy.

Actually, I think it is in the it is in the tip, isn't it?

I believe you're yeah, we talked about it in benefits.

It runs down to 11, but that's your right.

Okay, so there are they a beneficiary.

They can be so we we talked with them about um they could get yeah, sidewalk improvements, lighting, like there's a real opportunity here for um better accessibility and walkability to be created.

Yeah, I agree that you would know that in whether they were weren't included in that TIFF.

Yeah, I remember it took me to be better to remember, but yes, I remember that we there was a lot of intentionality in knowing that that area needed to be.

So that's a historical building.

Yes, yeah.

But yeah, they and they would be able to have good access to resources as the TIFF starts generating.

Yeah, exciting.

Alrighty, any further questions, comments?

All right, thank you.

Moving on to agenda item number five, ordinance adopting the annual assessment role for tourism improvement district number one, assessing those parcels of real property within the city limits on which there is located a hotel or motel that has 110 or more rooms for the purpose of providing marketing services as set forth in um 11 OS section 39103 point 1A, providing the time and method for payment of set assessments.

Okay, so I'm opening up my chips.

Oh, there's no good way to open a bag of meetings in.

Just rip it over there.

All right, all right.

Welcome to the table.

Uh just a white with financial department.

Um, so the city administers is the annual assessment of the tourism improvement district.

Uh this district includes hotels within Tulsa that have a hundred and ten rooms or more, um, and that's as part of this program.

Property owners are assess 3% of gross ride rate each year.

Revenue collected through this assessment is used primarily to support marketing promotional efforts to increase tourism in the city of Tulsa.

And to determine the property ownership and bring count.

Alrighty, thank you.

All right.

Moving on to item number six.

Ordinance amending calls are revised ordinances title 24 nuisances by adding a new chapter six waiver of costs and fees to promote housing affordability and ordinance providing for the waiver and nuisance abatement costs and fees and specified conditions to promote affordable housing, providing for the floppy waive fees and cost if required documentation is not timely submitted.

Providing for severality.

Alrighty.

Right.

Hello.

Welcome to the table.

Thank you.

Just getting set up here.

Thanks for having me, Travis Holse of the Housing Office.

Wanted to talk about a couple of ordinances.

We'll take them one at a time.

So I think they're separate and there's probably some good conversation to have on each one.

So the first one that I'm going to talk about is proposing an amendment to Title 24, which is the nuisance chapter of our municipal code.

This is an item, if you remember back in our days of the 3H task force, we talked about the potential for a policy or a program around municipal liens and for giving those liens on properties.

So this is this is the proposal I want to talk through a little bit today over all the ordinance goals and why we're proposing this really has a lot to do with our hope and intention to increase affordable housing across the city of Tulsa at the same time reducing vacant abandoned and dilapidated properties.

Right now, the city has about 1200 properties with city nuisance abatement liens filed against those properties.

Can make it challenging for individuals who are acquiring properties to bring them back onto the market, whether that's a vacant lot or even a vacant structure similar to what you see on the screen.

So the goal is to really take what you have today that is potentially a boarded up home or structure and getting that back into productive use.

As I mentioned, this was a part of the three-age task force recommendations.

So just highlighting that again.

So a couple of things that I think are important to kind of go through the eligibility requirements.

So not every property that has a city nuisance lien.

From our perspective, should qualifier be eligible for this type of a request.

We're really focusing on properties that are both vacant and abandoned.

A lot more structure.

We want to make sure that we're not encouraging individuals who, because of the lack of their care or management of a property, had a you know nuisance abatement action taken against them, had a lien, then filed against our property, and now they are coming to us and saying we would like you to remove that for X, Y, and Z reasons.

So this would really be a program that only applies to property owners who have acquired a property that already had those liens filed against them.

We also want to make sure there's not any additional private liens on the property.

We want to make sure that if the city is removing our liens, that it will essentially allow that property to move forward with redevelopment and not have other issues that could be tied up.

We also want to make sure that this is tied to affordability.

So we have provisions that would require the property be leased or sold at an affordable rate.

I'll talk about the definition and how we're defining affordable rate for the purposes of this program, and then also that in addition to an affordable rate that we would have the owner record that affordability restriction on that lot, so that it would remain with the lot, not necessarily with a property owner.

So if it changes ownership, it's still in place moving forward.

So affordable rate, the way that we've been talking about this, there's a lot of ways I'm sure you can think of how we slice and dice affordability.

We talk about that at this table.

The way that we've tried to really kind of simplify that is to look at the city of Tulsa as a whole based on the income limits that are released every year from the U.S.

Department of Housing and Urban Development.

So for the city of Tulsa, our average household size is 2.3 persons.

We would look at establishing a rate that would qualify for households up to 60% of the area median income.

So I put those figures on there just to give you a sense of what that would look like.

So if I was going to rent a property that I purchased and then rehabbed and then asked for a lien waiver, I would have to rent that property for no more than $1,188 a month.

If I were going to sell the property, I would be, I would have to be I would be obligated to not sell that property for more than $118,000.

So put the math up there and kind of the explanation so you can kind of see how that all calculates.

Every year those change.

As I mentioned, there would be restrictions that would be required to be recorded as a covenant with Tulse County.

What we did here is we tried to think about the amounts that would be waived based and kind of use that to determine how long that affordability restriction would have to be placed on the property.

So a thousand dollars or less would be a three-year term.

Between a thousand and twenty five hundred would be a five-year, and then anything more than twenty five hundred dollars in liens would be a seven-year period.

There are several properties, and I we have a list.

Some properties have one lien filed against them, some have up to ten.

So we did propose to put a cap on that to say that we wouldn't waive more than ten thousand dollars, and that kind of is just trying to be, I think, I don't know, intentional about what we feel like is reasonable for this type of a request and affordability restriction.

A little bit of nuance to the restrictions themselves, depending upon the type of housing unit, a property owner would be proposing to build.

If it was anything less than three units, so a single family home, a duplex, a townhouse, something like that, every single one of those units would have to qualify and meet the affordability restrictions.

If they were building something more, four units or more, then we would allow them to have a portion of those units, not meet the affordability restrictions, if that makes sense.

So at least 75% of the dwelling units would have to be restricted at those levels, but then the other 25% they could rent at market rate, essentially.

So process-wise, kind of just a very how I think about it in simple terms, the property is acquired by a new owner with an existing city nuisance lien, they submit an application or a waiver request to the housing office, we review that determine that it meets all the eligibility requirements that I've described, and that a part of that is that they have shown proof of covenant being recorded with the county.

As they submit that to us, we then essentially waive whatever liens are held against that property, and then require that within a two-year period of time that home is either sold or leased at those affordability rates.

We want to make sure that if we if we remove those liens, that there's a good faith effort to get that property rented or sold within a certain period of time.

We felt like two years was reasonable.

Given construction timelines, if I'm somebody building a home, probably takes a little bit longer than if I'm rehabbing a home.

There's probably not an exact science to what that metric is, but we felt like two years was reasonable for that.

Kind of an ongoing requirement as well, making sure that that affordability continues.

We want to make sure again on the front end that they're pursuing in good faith construction rehabilitation for that two years, that two-year period that either that sale or lease is happening, and then on the lease side, oftentimes as renters you know change, we get new tenants in a home.

We understand that I think that's reasonable.

So there may be a period of time that one of these units is not occupied.

We want to make sure that that doesn't exceed, I think again, what feels reasonable, and so we've placed a hundred and eighty days as kind of the you can have an eligible unit as a part of this program vacant for that period of time, but no more.

If any of those things are violated, including an annual self-certification, then that would trigger a clawback to where the city would recover whatever amount of funds were released or waived at that point in time.

So that's a lot.

I'll stop there.

Okay.

I have a couple questions before I take questions from the council.

Um, so the time frame of the lien when there is a purchase, what does that look like if a buyer actually purchased a property that has these liens on them, and then they request a waiver?

What is that time frame for them to request once they take possession of the property?

Yeah, from our perspective, or I guess I should speaking for Jean and myself, from my perspective, I don't think we're too worried about the time period which they acquire the property, how long they wait to come to us to request a release of that lien.

So we didn't put anything in the ordinance that would require them to come to the city to request that within you know 30 days, six months, anything like that.

So right now there's not anything that really contemplates a time frame that they would have to come to us and request that.

Okay.

Um I'm just curious if they purchase a property with liens already in place.

I mean, if they are actually intent on rehabbing it immediately, or if they just hold on to it as a speculative move and then go forward down the line to request waivers.

That would be something to think about.

And then what I'd like to know is do we have the data where these 1200 homes are like the districts that predominantly contain these homes?

We do.

I don't have it with me, so I'd be speculating from memory, but we do have all the properties.

We can we have addresses, parcel data.

We know where they are in the city.

We know how many each property has, you know, what number of liens and what the total amounts are for each of those properties as well.

Yeah, I'd be interested in that information on where they're located and within what districts they are.

You're in my district.

Okay.

Um I'm sure.

Okay, and then the vacancies when you were talking about the amount of time 180 days that a particular unit can be vacant.

That's a long time.

That's that's really generous in a time frame.

Yeah, I I think we're open to suggestions on what that time frame looks like.

I I'm I don't I agree.

I don't know that there's a perfect number that came to mind.

Um I don't want to say it was just made up because I think we're trying to think about construction timelines, um, vacancy for renters moving in and out.

It seems realistic to me that if I'm a landlord, I would want to have a unit rented much sooner than 180 days, so I don't I don't think that we're applying unnecessary pressure, so to speak, but I don't disagree.

I'm not sure what the right number is.

Well, I just think that the housing shortage we're experiencing that that's an awful lot to get somebody housed.

Yeah, or leave a property vacant.

I mean, open open to thoughts, feedback on what that number, a better number.

Okay, alrighty, it's private property.

Gene, did you?

Sorry, yeah, can I just jump in?

Gene Bullman, I senior advisor to Mary Nichols on housing.

I think that's intended as like the the world, right?

Like the hope is that it's shorter, but what we didn't want to get into is if we set it for 30 days, right?

Like by the time somebody moves out, it really under might have come in and do repairs, they may have to lease it.

Somebody might move out in February, somebody might want to move in in June, right?

So we're trying to be a little bit broader than possible.

And again, this is after they enter a lease.

So the hope is that this ordinance will trigger more activity and get more of these vacant properties into productive use, and we're trying to be mindful of the administrative work that's necessary.

And so I think I'd rather personally I'd rather go a little bit longer and avoid having people come in and panic of you know, requesting extensions or us having to claw back these liens.

Um that's kind of my feedback on that.

I appreciate that.

Counselor Bellis.

Yeah, hold on.

I have a really I have wonky constituents.

Um I had one, I'm just gonna read what their question was because it was a good one that it raised this question from you related to the eligibility criteria.

Okay.

Um so they mentioned that they were a little concerned that the code enforcement lien release affordability requirement may be too narrow, and we may want to look at um, like you since it uses average household size for all instances versus adjusting um household size persons per household size, or like they were like talking about how the way it's framed right now could make would limit the use of the program for larger three-bedroom plus properties if we weren't taking into account um you know some other like some of these other factors related to what's in the HUD AMI limits draft ordinance language references.

This may make more sense to you than me, but like I just wanted to.

So I'm trying to get there, yeah.

They were saying they were like, sorry, this is super technical, um, but maybe they they framed an easy fix, might be saying something on the lines of citywide average household size as adjusted by persons per household, and then let the clause about rate calculation by mayor designate prevail and assume Gene or Travis gets it right.

That's those are notes.

Thank you.

Um I know they say okay.

Good luck with that.

Um, I appreciate it where they were saying that there may be like an unintended consequence of like exit like not having this be able to apply to some like larger multi-bedroom homes, basically inadvertently.

I think that's it could be a follow-up thing.

Again, I'm not saying I even fully understand, but I thought it was potentially a good point as well.

I didn't know we have some breathing space because this isn't actually on the table fully, but yeah, I'll send you the language they send me.

Yeah, no, please do.

Yeah, I think we really tried.

Like if you and I'm sure you have.

If you look at the HUD table, it's I mean, it's quite extensive, right?

And so we did try to simplify it by essentially pinpointing that average household size just to give us like a single number.

Right, because I know otherwise then you are looking at I know I think it like all this eligibility criteria would be like if it's this much income per household size, I know that creates a complex matrix.

Yeah.

So I I understand you all have to balance that.

I guess this could also be something where there's always like more immediate implementation, and then if it does look like, and if there's a way to track if certain households aren't being able to access the resource being able to revisit as well.

Definitely, yeah.

Okay.

Thank you, righty.

Counselor R.

Chase.

Yes, thank you so much for the presentation.

I have two questions.

Um with the qualified uh affordability restrictions.

Does you think this program appeals to developers?

The amount of money that if you're a developer looking, if I want to do a new bill versus do this program, um, is there enough profit that your average developer would say, I'm gonna go with this program instead of developing somewhere else.

Or how did you all come to that determination?

Well, I don't want to speak for the development community.

We did sit down with um representatives from HBA Veritols Association of Realtors and Tulsa Realistic to kind of let them give us that feedback.

So we had them review both this ordinance and then the one that I'll talk about next, and generally seem very supportive.

I think people recognize that it's not gonna be a program that necessarily applies to everyone in every situation, but this is certainly another tool that could help.

So we didn't really get to the nitty-gritty of you know the specific dollar amounts and asking the affordability question, right?

Because, but I but yes, I think that they seem to feel good about what we were proposing and kind of the income limits and what that would hit.

I don't know.

Yeah, I would add I I agree with all of that, but I would also add that every year when the county tax sale comes around, which is just two weeks ago.

I think a lot of people in this building get phone calls and emails and requests from developers on, oh my gosh, my property is or owners, my property's up for tax sale, how do I fix it?

And so I think there is a need out there, and the hope here is that we are standardizing that so that if somebody calls me, they don't get one answer, and somebody calls Travis or anybody else in this building, they get a different answer.

So we're trying to make it consistent so that everybody gets the same opportunity and response.

Okay, that's that's helpful.

And last question, because I think James is in the room as well.

James Wagner, how does this program overlap or dovetail with the VIP program?

Um, because uh that has to do with the uh forgiveness of liens as well for those who want to.

How do those two things interact?

I'll start and James can certainly uh supplement or correct.

I think there are two options, two tools that we're trying to use to attack the same problem, if you will.

To me, this is where there's an active participant.

So this this ordinance that we just talked about requires the property to change hands from when the lien was incurred and that person to come to us.

So this is somebody who wants to improve the property.

The vacancy improvement program is more attended for folks who are not cooperative, either they're not in town, they're not paying attention, they don't know what's going on, they don't care.

So that is a different situation where we are trying to come up with another tool that, okay, if nobody is paying attention and we're just continuing to incur increase these liens, the city has an opportunity to force a change of ownership.

So in the VIP program, the purchaser of that property would not owe the liens when they buy it.

Or would they could they come to us to request the forgiveness of the lien?

So yes, these two could go together.

The vacancy improvement program would trigger a change of ownership, hopefully.

Yeah.

That per if this gets approved, that person could then qualify for this program.

So again, it would be another tool that we are trying to change ownership and incentivize the new owner from to do something positive as opposed to just well, okay.

Now I've owned it, and now I'm just gonna sit on it and let the liens continue to incur, increase.

Okay.

And and and just a sneak preview.

The third one, the next one we're about, which Travis is going to talk to about in a minute, could be layered on top of those two.

Sneak peaky.

Yeah, let's let's get through this particular subject first.

Uh counselor.

Yeah, so to follow up with what uh counselor was saying.

They when that land when the when the property transfers part of the purchase, aren't they paying the lien then?

You're paying right?

It possibly.

It depends on how the purchase how the transfers it how the property is transferred.

So in a typical sale, if somebody is buying, like if I'm if I'm buying a house, I will typically sign a contract with the seller, we'll go to a title company, the title company will search the public records and say, Okay, Gene, here's what you're buying subject to.

There's a mortgage, there's a lien.

My purchase price will say, Okay, all those get paid off, so I get clean title.

A lot of these vacant properties or properties, the lap these dilapidated properties, people are buying either at the tax sale.

So that is buying as is that tax sale does you buy subject to liens, I believe.

I thought you had to pay the liens in order to purchase at a tax sale.

Oftentimes, I don't think all of the liens are covered by that, but also there are just quick claim deeds where uh developer will go to a property owner and say, you know, I see you're not maintaining this property, I'd like to buy it, and they're not doing that due diligence, or they're not paying enough to cover those liens.

So there are certain six certain six certain circumstances situations um where the lien property transfer is subject to the liens.

Okay, I didn't realize that uh I think I've known people that have purchased properties on the tax sale uh option, and that was the cost of the property, the cost that the fees of the liens that was.

That's true.

That's how they acquired it.

I think that's right, but I think that sometimes it doesn't have like I've heard of people who buy it at tax lien with these liens still on it, so I'm not I'm not quite sure.

Okay, you depends on the bid.

I think it depends on it.

Yeah, like if it doesn't cover the full amount, okay.

Um you said we we are capping this at 10,000.

Yeah.

What what is of the 1200 properties that we know of what is the average amount?

I don't know what you asked.

Sounds like a lot of lens.

So 12 1200 properties with liens.

There's about 36% of those.

So about 400-ish properties are less than a thousand dollars in liens.

Most of those are just one lien, and then that next kind of grouping, a thousand of twenty-five hundred.

There's about another four hundred and ninety properties, about forty percent in that category.

The twenty five hundred and plus is about three hundred and eight properties, which is like twenty-four percent, so about 70, 75%, so three-fourths of all of the properties that we're talking about here, um 900-ish properties or 2500 and less.

So it's very few that are up towards that 10,000.

Yeah, and those are multiple properties, yeah.

Yeah, or multiple liens on a single property.

Yeah, there's some that have 10, 12 liens just on one property.

Yeah, they're allowed.

I don't know.

No, no, there's not.

I I was talking about the owner.

Half a dozen.

Yeah.

Oh, are they a lot?

Sorry, I thought you said is there a line.

Yeah, I mean, gotcha.

Get up to 10,000.

Do you have to be doing it?

A lot of neglect.

Okay, all right.

Yeah, I'm good.

Okay, counselor Bailey.

Yeah, so counselor asks the question.

I thought, you know, what if when you made a sale, right?

Obviously, I've never been to one of these tax sales, so I figured if you're transferring property or buying property, all the liens that are encumbered within that property are your responsibility to clear as part of the transfer of sale.

Obviously, that's not the case.

Um the ten thousand dollar cap seemed a bit weird to me just off of what you just said, Travis, though, about you know, where you are in the twenty-five hundred scale at at the top.

So none I'm assuming none of these twelve hundred units are on the demo on any kind of demo list, right?

And would that be the I'm just really trying to wrap my head around how you came to the 10,000.

Okay, right.

Um and obviously you're the this is obviously a good tool, right, to repurpose properties that are fallen into disrepair and neglect, but I really want to understand that if the 10,000 and making sure that we're not already um incentivizing properties that are already on a demo list, right?

I I wouldn't mind that so much because this process that we're talking about would be far more efficient than demoing the house because demoing the house doesn't solve the problem.

It's just it's off some property.

Right, but you've exempted those properties that would potentially be on a demo list from this program.

I don't think so.

No, they're necessarily the property on the de we're not calling it a dilapidated structures list, by the way.

Uh, but a property that is on the dilapidated structures list could qualify for this.

Yeah.

So you wouldn't characterize the properties, the twelve hundred properties are in that some of the twelve hundred properties are on the dilapidated structures list.

Okay.

Um what was the per what would you say the percentage of those are uh I would guess.

I guess that's yeah.

James can't can't pass up James coming up.

James, planning neighborhoods.

I don't I don't know how many are on the demo list.

Is it a significant number?

Is it like the lower end?

Oh, I I would imagine it's not a snip not a significant number of the 1200 properties, but I'm I am certain that there are properties on there that on this on the link because you know we put a lien on it.

If we do a demolition and the owner doesn't pay for that invoice, we put a lien on the property for the demolition cost.

Right.

So yeah, some of them could be a lien for the demolition.

Right.

I don't want to put you in a perpetual circle of having to fix one problem solve another.

Yeah.

So that's why I'm asking the question.

Yeah.

But even in that case, let's say it's a let's say it's a property where we have performed the demolition for eight thousand dollars.

Let's say, and then a new owner inherits that lien.

They get it, they get it with a quick claim deed, so it's not on a clear title, right?

But they get the property and they're ready to do something with it.

We're saying, Well, we'll we will forgive that lien in exchange for what was it, a five-year affordability?

You know, for an eight thousand dollar lien for goodness.

Okay, so that's why I was asking the question.

Okay, perfect.

Okay, Travis, did you have more to not on this side, not on this item, yeah.

Any further questions, comments before we move on?

All right, moving on to item number seven.

We get to keep y'all at the table.

Okay, ordinance amending tolls of revised ordinances, title 49 administrative permit and license fees, chapter three, building permit fees by adding a section 328, building permit fee adjustment for affordable housing, providing for a waiver a waiver of fees imposed under sections 301, building permit application fee and 302 building permit fee to promote affordable housing in the city of Tulsa outlining conditions to qualify for the adjustment providing for a claw back if conditions are not met, providing for severality, all right.

So this item um is really focused on reducing permit fees and the bill that guarantees affordability.

Um talk through this a little bit, very similar in terms of eligibility, affordability affordable rates, affordability restrictions, things that we talked about with the last item.

So, here are a lot of things that sound pretty similar.

Um there are a few nuances that I want to highlight as a part of this.

I will say before we really get into the specifics of what's being proposed.

The hope here again is that we're we're trying different tools, trying different things that can really help get us to our eventual goal of building six thousand affordable housing units by the end of twenty twenty eight.

This is just another thing that previously, you know, to now, isn't really an option, isn't something that people can pursue.

And so this is this is just another thing that we would like to add, I think, to the list of other things we've talked a little bit about already today, the vacancy improvement program, the item that we just covered.

We won't talk about pre-approved plans today, but you know, there's several other things going on.

So I won't go through this same similar kind of ordinance goals to the last one, in terms of what we're trying to accomplish from affordable housing.

Building permit fees.

I think when we talk about building permit fees, we kind of generalize what that means.

So what I what I wanted to do is just kind of illustrate what you pay on a new single family home versus an accessory dwelling unit.

This is kind of a breakdown of fees, and so what I'm talking about today is really focused on the top two, the application fee, and then the building permit fee itself.

There are several other fees that are collected as a part of a building permit.

You can kind of see as what's listed there, what those go to.

Overall, what we would be talking about, isn't really a specific set dollar amount or a set percentage.

It would depend on the type of permit that you are receiving from development services, but this at least gives you a sense.

If I'm building a new single-family home, I'm probably paying somewhere around $1,500 in permit fees.

The portion that we're talking about potentially reducing is about 58%.

For those of you who are checking my math as you should, that's not exactly right.

I redid the math.

The dollar amounts right, but it's like 60% is what is being proposed there.

Yeah.

Accessory dwelling units.

Similarly, as far as the types of permit fees that are paid as a part of an accessory dwelling unit, you can see that it's you know quite a bit less in terms of the overall fee that somebody pays for an ADU, about half.

So what ultimately would be reduced in those fees isn't quite as much in terms of a percentage or a total amount, but that's just to kind of give you a general sense of what we're talking about specifically with this proposed ordinance.

This is where it starts to sound all very familiar, similar to the last item that we kind of talked through.

So the idea again would be the more you seek to have reduced in your building permit free from the city of Tulsa, the longer we would expect that unit to be affordable.

The limits, the amounts, the time frames are identical.

So a thousand dollars or less, three years, and then on up from there, the longest period of time would be seven years for 2,500 or more.

I don't think that you're gonna hit that all too often.

We are proposing that this program be limited to housing developments up to 10 units.

If you look at building permit fees on a much larger multifamily project, you're getting into the tens and potentially even hundreds of thousands of dollars in permit fees that we would be waiving through a program like this.

So we're trying to kind of stay away from that and really focus on you know the smaller infill, what we call missing middle, the types of housing that are a part of the pre-approved plans program, but also the type of housing that I think we're really focused on, in terms of affordability and you know, these vacant lots and dilapidated structures.

This is really more aligned with that.

So that's where some of that thinking and logic comes from.

Covenants, the same as far as affordability restrictions would be based on the number of units uh that you are proposing, and which ones or what percentage of those units would be required to have an affordability restriction as well.

So similar to the last one process wise owner records a covenant essentially telling us that they have established that affordability restriction submit that proof to us as a part of their building permit application and then we essentially reduce those fees based upon the type of housing that is being proposed with that permit again we want to see action building permits are active for 180 days so that's what six months what we're proposing again kind of goes beyond that time frame uh wanting them to make sure that they have time to build the unit but then given time to sell or lease that unit so again we're proposing a two-year period that from the time that they record that affordability restriction that they would have to either execute a sale or qualified lease is a part of that process ongoing requirements again sound like a broken record but very similar nothing here really changes uh versus what we just proposed so I say pretty straightforward just because there's not a lot of difference there requiring annual self-certification by the property owner failure to do any of these things would trigger a clawback provision as well similar to the last one the one I'll say kind of big difference but um difference to what we're proposing with this ordinance we do want to set program milestones for this program obviously um with the discussions that we have around um the budget here at the city I think it's really important that we're aware of the amount of fees that could potentially be waived through a process like this right now it's kind of a guess as to whether or not people are gonna come to us tomorrow and say hey I want to participate and take advantage of that and so what we're proposing to do is is put two two kind of whichever one is reached first the program would be suspended until the next fiscal year.

So these are tied to our goals around affordable housing if either we reach five hundred thousand dollars in a total amount of fees waived or we have permitted two thousand units whichever one of those happens first we would essentially suspend the program and then it would start over again the next year.

So thought that was important to put some kind of parameters around what this would allow kind of moving forward and wanted to tie it to something that made sense right now we've we're about 1800 units permitted since when was that December 2nd 2024 towards our 6000 goal I I think we'll be right at about 2000 by the end of this year and so that basically puts us on track then to get to our goal of 6,000 units the end of 2028 we would hopefully shoot to permit 2000 every year so that's kind of where that number comes from I think that's it on this one.

I have a quick question so when we're talking um fiduciary responsibilities I know that permits fines and fees go towards our budget and so I'm wondering what the return of investment is say we get to that number 500,000 what is the expected return of investment that compensates for those waivers.

Yeah, I'd no no specific dollar amounts.

Um, but I mean you think about the amount of time spent from a code enforcement standpoint on those properties, no longer having to monitor, send you know contractors out, pay for all that work, whatever other kind of um services, fire department, police department that could, you know, be associated with you know vacant and abandoned properties.

So I think that plays into it.

Also now you have uh an active utility paying, you know, account.

Um, so those I think all that weighs into that.

Um, and there's I don't know if there's others that I'm not thinking about, but yeah, I would add a couple, right?

Like this is increasing the value of the property, so additional real estate taxes, and it's presumably turning uninhabited property into inhabited properties, it's creating homes, affordable homes, which we all I think we all know we need, and it's kind of part of the tool, right?

If we're trying to house people and get people off the streets and out of shelters, they need someplace to live.

And so this is I think fits into that broader purpose of helping the community give people more options, more types of housing, basic supply demand, the more housing we create, the lower the prices are gonna become.

Um, and I think it fits for the lot of our goals of uh, you know, functional zero homelessness, increasing housing that's affordable, uh safety, um, and you know, decrease costs and expenses of um nuisances and code violations.

So I think it's it's a lot.

I think I think it's a multi- I don't have the data, but I think it's you know multi-ratio, like multiple factors of the the fees we're reducing, and that's why we put in this number so that we're not you know opening the floodgates and waiving you know twenty billion dollars worth of fees.

Okay, counselor.

Oh yes, can you go back a couple things, please?

Okay, you turn it okay, and then we'll back one more.

Oh, because that's all the the the okay go back for it.

So is that new and assessed with dwelling?

This does include rehabs, right?

Uh-huh.

So with rehabs consider are you considering we have a new single family?

If it's creating what what we would consider a new unit, then yes.

So if a you know, right now, if you that picture I have of a boarded up home, we wouldn't consider that habitable, right?

So it's not but it's new to okay.

So when you said new in my mind, I was thinking of brand new construction.

Right, yeah.

But that's not the case.

No, it would be included.

They are included, yeah.

I think we have language.

I just want to make sure both of them were included.

Um, when you mention in your presentation records a covenant, what what is that?

What does that look like?

How do you record a covenant?

So yeah, Carolyn.

Who do you talk to?

Oh, I can't say that.

So this covenant would be a document, it would be in the public record in the land record, so anyone could see it.

Um, you know, potential buyer would be responsible for seeing it.

Um, what a covenant is okay.

And it would be detailed.

So it would have a lot of information from this ordinance.

Like this is these are the affordability restrictions, this is how long it's gonna last.

Um, so it's gonna be on the public record, not a document that's just between the property owner or developer in the city of Tulsa.

Right.

Right.

It would it will be in the covenant just like restricted covenants.

Yeah, it would be out there on the way, pull it up online.

You could go to the um the county, so that that would uh hopefully keep everyone abiding by the rules set by the ordinance.

Okay, all righty.

Is that it?

Are you finished?

No, I'm finished.

I'm sorry, it's okay.

Counselor Lincoln.

Um the 500,000 up to 500,000 has been budgeted, like you're not.

Are are we considering the possibility of not receiving that 500,000 bucks?

Or I think the answer is the budget is based on expectations.

We have no idea how many people are gonna apply for building permits.

So it's it is not like exact, right?

It the the budget on the development services side and Michael DNA can answer that, but we it's a budget problem, presumably based on how much we permit fees we received last year.

So, no, it's not technically a line item in the budget, um, but again, that's why we put a number in there so that we're not gonna.

I just didn't know if the assumption was that we would use if if we would just end up receiving 500,000 less because of this program.

No, we don't we don't know how much this is just a cap of we don't we we won't we'll pause the program if we get that number, but we I'd be thrilled if we get that number and we're having that conversation because again that would mean we've had all these properties come online and all this housing and all this development.

Um so I and it's a it's a kind of it's a backstop essentially.

I don't think it's been I'm glad the backstop's there.

I just didn't know what budget consideration was there, and I agree that there will be quantifiable benefits to it, it won't be in the same fiscal year.

So we'll we'll see some benefits, we'll see some growth in revenue from other sources.

Um so we'll offset eventually, it just won't be immediate.

Okay.

All righty.

Counselor Archie.

Yes.

Can you go back to the um affordability guidelines?

Like the three year, five-year-old.

Yeah, I think you would have to.

Yeah, perfect.

Um, that was a me.

There we go.

Let's turn it back on the okay.

So um so let's say I'm a renter, and um, does the owner are they gonna notify the renter for the next three years?

Your rent's gonna be like this, but in that fourth year, we're gonna go like this.

You know what I'm saying?

I will or I wonder if if you know we keep our um uh empowerment center or I just whoever moves into these homes needs to know that maybe this three years is a runway to you know, this affordability is only for uh it's temporary.

So I wonder how we can make something in that at least notifies them uh of that.

Um because if you can um barely afford or if if a thousand is a third of your income, uh then once we get to the end of three years, it's gonna jump up to uh you know even more.

And so how do we help give people at least a runaway or is there a way of capping that increase up to the or not even that, but just like unlike the cutting retool or get a property rights act of 2021?

Yeah, I would say right now on the market there's something preventing that, right?

Like right now, if I sign a lease, now my landlord could jack my rent tenfold and I have no protections.

Um so I I don't know that we have the ability to and I also again want to be mindful of the administrative burden of compliance and monitoring this.

I would think it could be something that we could require the landlord to notify the tenant.

Um of this this rent is restricted for X period of time after that it could go up.

I I don't know that we want to stick our fingers too far into that relationship personally, but I think that could be something that we add to the the process.

Uh I don't think that would be required in the ordinance language, but I think as we like develop the program guidelines, we could uh add to the self-certification that the landlord will notify the tenant that you know the tenant during the affordability period that for this period of time the rent is restricted.

Well, that's good.

I think at the very least, do that.

Yeah, like once you start sort of meddling more with that, it it becomes complicated, but at least let them know.

Let them know it's good.

Yeah, alrighty.

Councillor Bellis.

Yeah, this question might be moot.

Um, but I was just curious how potentially the 21st Century Road to Housing Act, which I know the president just decided not to sign today.

But maybe if it gets signed or moves forward, it has so many kind of these programs and pieces under it.

I was just curious how if any of those things come to fruition, how that might factor into this, or if there's maybe gonna be even potentially dollars that would support this.

I have a very easy answer.

I don't know.

We have that I'm not studied the new federal bill to know.

I so I I think we would have to look at that, and I don't know even when it would if assuming it was signed today.

I don't know when it'll become effective.

So I think we will implement it.

We'll implement that, and we always have the ability to come back to you to amend or revoke this ordinance.

Okay.

I would like naming to my colleagues at least as well that given that it was a bipartisan bill, and maybe we'll take shape in some form soon.

It has a lot of seeming opportunities in it that we could seize on on the local level, including financial or policy reform.

So just kind of putting that on our horizon out of cautious optimism.

Okay.

Councillor Archie?

Just very quickly.

I know, and I'm trying to like reconcile this in the VIP program.

There's conversations about perhaps grant funds toward developers in that program.

I wonder if some of those grant funds couldn't extend the affordability, or I'm maybe just thinking out loud.

I would like to see with these two programs together, how much potentially in subsidy or you know benefit benefit or help a potential developer could get and um which is great, but also is there a way to pass some of that along to renters who would benefit from the from affordability?

Does that make sense?

Okay.

Yeah, I think separate conversations, IoT 3 uh can go towards reheaven repair andor new construction.

Any dollars would have a similar affordability requirement.

Uh our friends at Tels Housing Impact Line would manage the compliance, uh so not city staff.

Um and yeah, they are similar programs with similar goals, and they could all be stacked.

Somebody could a developer could use one of these programs and get money from DHIF.

Um, I think those affordability requirements would then stack.

So if they're getting, you know, if they're borrowing money, if they're using one program which requires a three-year affordability and then using another program which requires a five-year affordability, it would be an eight-year affordability.

Um so yes, I think um I yes, okay.

That'd be my answer, please.

Alrighty.

Let's move on.

Thank you guys.

Thank you.

Um, get uh HRC to the table, item number eight discussion with members from the Human Rights Commission regarding authorities, boards and commissions composition by council district.

I appreciate your patience, everybody.

Just a second.

There you go.

I just click on the ball shift.

I think we have to be fine.

No, we have to do it.

Thank you.

Welcome to the table, and thank you so much for your patience.

Okay, thank you for making time for the human rights commission.

We know that you've been extra busy this time of year, and it's been a long day, I'm sure.

So I'm Drew France.

I took over as chair of the Human Rights Commission in January, where I'm now leading the advancement of two primary goals.

One is to modernize the human rights complaint filing process, and the second is to better align uh representation on city authority boards and commissions with the composition of Tulsa.

Uh today we're here only to talk about the second goal, and we'll do that by using data as a mirror to consider whether there's opportunity for uh to better reflect who sits on an authority board commission compared to who lives across our city.

Uh, we decided uh early on to uh start an inquiry and to start this conversation by considering geography, which I mean by asking do tulsums that serve on an authority board or commission live evenly throughout the community, or might they be more likely to live in certain parts of town?

Uh what we gathered was merely a snapshot at time, it's an imperfect picture of any moving targets.

Uh the data captures where people lived at the time of application, or perhaps the last time they updated their address on file.

Uh, it doesn't account for those that started uh a term uh since February or ended a term since February.

Uh, but the available data is still very clear and compelling, and it's worth discussing.

Uh, we acknowledge that there are a number of important ways to consider representation by age, by race and ethnicity, by gender, by income, by language, by disability status, by identity, and so on.

Uh, and we can see that considering geography where people live is important, but it may not be more important than other forms of representation.

And it certainly isn't more important than ensuring that qualified and passionate people that care about our city are being appointed, which should be the goal among all of us.

Uh we can go to the first slide here and we'll turn it over here to you.

Um I'll end by saying that we believe that civic engagement and representation are a collective responsibility.

We are not here with all the answers.

We're only here with a couple of suggested uh partial solutions.

Uh we're merely presenting our findings to facilitate further discussion and ideally partner with City Council with a focus on upstream opportunities to better recruit and entice more Tulsa citywide to apply for an authority board commission.

My colleague will walk you through our data and welcome questions with human representation.

Thank you so much.

My name's Patty Safi Levad.

I serve on the Human Rights Commission and have been the data nerd who has handily been stewarding this process.

And from the data we pulled in February 2026, the headline is pretty clear that current ABC demographics don't reflect the broader Tulsa community.

We looked at anonymized data for the 310 members that included demographic data.

We also got a list that included names in which seat they were on, so we could look a little more closely at who's occupying which seat, when their tenure started, and if they're still in seat to look at a variety of factors, and we also looked at markers besides city council.

We know that we have our Title V commissions who represent racial groups, we have different interest committees on the Human Rights Commission.

And just like we're bringing you all city council data today, we're trying to bring those data sets to the community that knows the most about them first.

So we're excited to start with you all in city council districts.

The thing I've learned the most throughout this process is that a lot of different people touch this process and can influence it.

And Commissioner France and I both work in education, so we're familiar with the temptation to see hard data and want to point at all the different causes that might influence it in our ask today is there's a lot about this that people don't control, but we're bringing you the bite of the elephant that we think that you and the HRC and other commissioners are best positioned to take a bite out of, and we're excited to explore it with you.

So on City Council, when we looked at the district, we found that districts four and nine are overrepresented, with more than half of ABC members being from those two districts.

The cities or the city council districts that had the greatest disparities were district three, district five, and district six, with district seven not far behind.

And one thing I want to clarify is that there are some seats that are occupied, or some people who occupy more than one seat.

For example, I am a Title Viaison on the Human Rights Commission, and I'm on a Title V commission.

Many of you, I found are on multiple commissions, so this represents the percent of seats and which districts they're represented by.

What we determined is that we're really best positioned as the HRC to thought partner with you all around recruitment and applications because it is really the biggest gap we've heard as commissioners in our own experience that people don't quite know what we do, why we do it, when we do it, and we want to partner with you all to improve that.

There is a lot of indication that progress is possible here.

So when you look at the city council data, over half coming from two districts seems pretty stark, but I wanted to share some data points that give me some hope that this is a movable number.

The first is that tenure on ABCs is relatively fresh.

Mayor Nichols staff has worked really hard to recruit for open seats and make sure that they're expanding who they're recruiting for, and we've seen that 24% of seats have a new members since Mayor Nichols' tenure began, and 62% of all seats have turned over to someone new in the last five years, which is a healthy amount of turnover to make sure we're getting new people in seats.

One wondering we had is are there too many seats that are restricted, maybe by industry or city council district that make it hard to get diverse candidates in place.

And what we found is at least from one uh snapshot in time in May, there were 27 seats open, and only 12 of those had an organization affiliation or an industry restriction, and only two of those 12 seats had a city council restriction.

So there were quite a few seats where, you know, not anyone, but any qualified citizen who had the will and the interest could have stepped into those seats.

And in terms of outreach, we know that for Title V commissions, which is where a large portion of you know a community member like me who has no special industry affiliation, uh, can come into our ABCs.

We're going on July 21st to recruit at the Tulsa Young Professionals or Hub Club, and there are many initiatives like that already happening where we're going into the community.

What I know is that Tulsa is small, but it's not so small that any one of us is going to reach every corner of it.

So we know we have to get creative about how we reach new pockets of Tulsins, and I will pass it back to Commissioner France to outline some of our ideas.

Yeah, we'll do that when I jump question here.

No, no, no, I'm just getting in the QA.

We'll wrap it up here with some low-heading fruit.

Uh, the Human Rights Commission is in the process of empowering other Title V commissions with demographic data that's specific to their respective uh communities, so that they can help design and foster community-specific discussions around representation gaps.

What I mean by that is the African American Affairs Commission, maybe having a different conversation, community affairs, Hispanic affairs, Asian American Affairs, and the women's commission.

They can each design commission-specific strategies to uh ideally uh increase recruitment and uh draw candidates into pool.

Uh, we at the Human Rights Commissioner also wanted to identify specific neighborhood associations in target areas and trusted community leaders in target areas to really drive our recruitment efforts, and then we're also planning to partner with the city to develop and distribute educational materials that really demystify the process, what it's all about, and how someone in Tulsa can apply to the RABC.

Then lastly, uh, just some ideas for city council where we might be able to partner.

Uh, we would love to work with you on your town halls or comparable community meetings and help facilitate signups and help you promote authorities, boards, and commissions from uh the perspective of residents in your districts.

Uh we also will listen to you for leads on neighborhood associations that might really be worth our time in your districts and other messengers where you live, to which we could target, and then lastly, we would value your recommendation of city council that the city do some work on perhaps creating a lookbook, something that features more accessible descriptions and requirements and suggested skill sets and really make more digitally accessible what an ABC is and how anyone in Tulsa can apply to be a part of the uh the fund.

Uh we'll in there and turn it over to you for questions and discussion, but we appreciate your time.

All righty, thank you both for being here and giving us a quick detailed order here.

Councillor Bellis.

Yeah, just as um one upfront idea, which I totally agree.

I have these moments where constituents express wanting to that they're interested in serving, but then they don't know how to figure out what commission are they the best fit for if they apply what actually is meaningful to have shared.

There's just you know, there's a lot of things there, and obviously I know my district's like highly represented, which I think some of that has to do with proximity to the actual physical building, right?

There's a lot there.

Um, but one of my other thoughts is I worked closely with the auditor's office when they were trying to get that uh evaluate the 918 survey out where they showed me the heat map of like we're having trouble reaching these zip codes in communities, like for instance in East Tulsa, and I connected them to nonprofits that served those zip codes to help them get the word out more, or you know, like I think like East Side Rise or places like that, like those community hubs or in Northwest Tulsa, which that's one thing I would reference.

If you just look at the districts, I have areas of my district that are highly engaged that are more towards your Maple Ridge area, and then the Northwest Tulsa area is very much not.

So I would be I would be cautious about reducing it by district.

Um but all that said, I think there are ways through looking at some of those really trusted community agencies or faith centers or things like that, where each counselor probably knows what those are in their districts that could help get the word out of communicate or announced to people, um, just you know, about these opportunities.

Um, and though I will name one of the other things, though, is making people hyper aware of what the time commitment is as well.

I think on the site it says the number of meetings for a lot of these, but that's not always elucidating about the time commitment, and that can really vary by authority board or commission as well as the qualifications, like certain commissions require certain experience or skill sets and other ones, right?

Lived experience is the most critical thing, so there's just layers of those accessibility things to make more transparent.

Um, but I do think some of these core community organizations might be best situated to really kind of educate the public, and then I would name since you don't could be 18 enough to serve on some of these.

I think there's even you know, school-based opportunities to get the word out to young people who want to be more civically engaged.

Thanks for doing this, you all it's exciting.

I would just like to say I'd like to meet with you all to be able to talk about better incorporation of citizens within my district.

So I know that we're all on a time frame.

Yes, Counselor Lincoln.

Whenever you're done.

Um, so I I know you're going to talk to Type Rose.

What is your strategy on getting older people involved?

Do you have one?

I generally found not to I'll share the data anecdotally.

Um our older generations are all overrepresented.

Actually, the um like 20 through 30 agreement, just five times underrepresented in ABCs than they are in um the broader city.

We we had some discussion.

Like, do we have a judgment on if we are going to like target?

We're kind of just going by the numbers right now, is what I was gonna say.

So because that is your goal to to really have a pie that's well balanced.

I think we're agnostic to that right now.

But we're looking at like where's the biggest need first just to experiment, and I also think maybe our liaison does this regularly with Tulsa Young professionals, so there's an existing relationship there.

So I'm open if you have some ideas on like the best places to get a more senior and professional, or older.

I I'm just thinking a lot of our senior adults have more time to dedicate to some of these things.

And there's yeah, well, maybe, but but I just don't have enough data.

You know, like how long have some of those people who are currently serving been in place, and is it time for term limits or turnover um and I just I just find more willingness for those individuals to participate because they don't have the duties of family, they just seem to have more time, like you're talking about.

I communicate with many of them via Facebook, obviously, not um Snapchat or whatever.

And next to that, and they're very interested in city related things.

Yeah, so that and HOAs, but age of ways take a lot of time, and we already have a liaison structure set up at least through next door.

I don't really know through Facebook.

I think that strategies around um resource design and education are really key here.

I mean, I'm thinking in educator's terms, like the tier one.

What's the strategy that's gonna reach the most people?

And even with a fellow commissioner, talking to one of the Title Viaisons, they were sharing their commission's goals, and we were trying to map it to like which other authorities, boards and commissions would know about evictions, would know about transportation, and even for two people who've sat on these commissions for years.

We were having a hard time parsing out like who does what, what they actually accomplish.

So we um have been in conversation with the city about kind of the larger existential question of does every commission have a clear purpose and goal and work area that we can then communicate to the public.

There's some work to be done there before you know we can standardize that level of education so that then we can communicate widely.

Hey, here are the things that are available and what you'll do and what the time commitment is.

But I appreciate that push, and it's good to think about what existing liaison structures there are that we can share that information on.

Okay, thank you.

Alrighty.

Counselor push.

Well, just along those lines, when I've I mean, I've had people that come to me, they don't say I'm gonna be on an ABC because they don't even know that exists, but they want to be more involved in the community.

I know nine is over whatever represented, but I send them to the I send them to the ABC and I go do the drop to your point, do the drop-down and figure out where you might want to plug in, yeah.

Because they're generally just saying, I want to be more involved.

Yeah, nine times out of ten.

The next call is I don't understand what this one does, even after they do the drop-down and read it.

So I like your lookbook idea, maybe in more presentable format or something, you know, where it can be explained because I spend a lot of time then going to the ABC thing and doing my own drop down going, oh yeah, they do this.

Right.

But they kind of do that.

It's difficult for us to even sell it because we don't understand all of them.

Like some of them, I'm thinking, do they even still need to be around?

Right.

Well, there are some.

It's like, well, who invented this and are we still using it?

So anyway.

This sounds like a small fix to me.

There's probably someone on a Citicoms team who's gonna be like, this is not a small fix.

But even right now, you go to one page, you see the drop down of like who's a liaison, who's on it, and you go to a different page, see the T Gov recording, and you go to a different page for meetings and agendas.

I think even just consolidating what we already have, from a lookbook would help someone see, like, oh okay, here's what they discuss.

Here's what the meeting looks like.

Feels small to me.

I'm sure it's a garbage and effort, like a pullbook sites together.

You want the hands to talk?

Yes.

Oh, so I just wanted to comment also that the lack of representation is also evident when you actually go through the NCI data and you do a comparison of neighborhoods and where they score, and that pretty much tells a pretty thorough story about economics as well as diversity, as well as how many uh in a particular district has the ability and the time resources necessary to give to um boards and commissions, Councilor Hart?

Yes, um, maybe it's a tag off of what Councillor Bush is saying.

Well, number one, we I'd be more than happy to have you all at a at a town hall meeting uh to share uh about authorities' boards and commissions.

When you do go to that drop-down menu, and I'm trying to just remember like the last time that I did it.

Maybe I think to myself, some of these seem like they're already filled, and then some are maybe there's a vacant position, or I would just want to put clarity on like what of the of all of the universe of ABCs, which ones are there openings in the next three months, which ones will be openings.

I don't uh because it seems like people serve terms on them, and so someone may want to serve right now, but I we look and we say, Well, it there won't be an opening for you know however long.

Um so I don't know a way to make that clearer, but a lookbook would be good, but um, yeah, those are the just my thoughts.

It's just it's not a lot of friction, because I've sent people to that to that page, and maybe use it, just get lost in the sauce and um don't come back.

There's probably some education around the process as well.

I think about um the Asian Affairs Commission for a long time.

We did not have any seats open in the last month.

We have three seats open, and it kind of just happened, and I there's some discomfort around this idea of like, oh, I'm sitting in a pile of papers on the mayor's desk, I'm never gonna get picked, but it is at times a waiting game of term changes, and there's some commissions like the women's commission that there's literally a waiting list, and that's a good problem.

We want um more education around what that process looks like, and I also think committee involvement is pretty meaningful and has a more flexible time commitment and often evening time commitments that um aren't accessible for a regular commission meeting for a lot of the ABCs, so I think that's an area where we can further expand what people expect about involvement and how accessible it is.

But you said committee involvement by that you don't mean this committee, you mean the sorry, yes, I mean like a committee within an existing commission.

So title five commissions I'll speak for because I there's a whole jungle out there of other ABCs, but um non-appointed commissioners can be members of working committees on each commission.

So we get a lot of involvement from citizens in that way.

Why is um there are waiting lists for the women's commission, meaning what are they doing that's so great that could be women?

The part of it is the vibes, yeah.

I won't take that away.

You get a lot of theories about that.

I don't know if you guys have a hard like yeah, can we uh speak to why that one gets so many outlets?

Well, I think all the women at the table could no no, no, I mean but genuinely that commission one, the concept of what it is or does, even then, you know, the name and we some same with some of the Title V ones makes it more clear.

They do some very outward-facing external reporting as well as events, like with the um uh pinnacle awards, like there's just some really concrete tangible things that makes it like such a known entity, and you have other commissions that operate, you know, some title five ones do some similar things, but then you have completely different commissions or authorities that there's no reason they would ever operate that way, or what they do is much more niche, and so you it you can see how that kind of takes shape, I think.

Um, but yeah.

So offer the Asian Affairs Commission has four percent of the city to recruit from, and the women's commission has fifty percent.

Yeah, so large pool as well.

Yeah, all right.

Also that.

Yes, okay.

Counselor Bellis, you have those.

Yeah.

This was just sorry you can't apply.

This was just as kind of one other note relative to making commission service access more accessible, et cetera.

Um, you know, I also think like sometimes it's even once I got on a commission myself, um, you like until you actually go and look at what the charter actually says that the commission does, you may or may not realize like even people I've seen this happen for people that are long-standing on commissions too, like what it really says or what the power is there, like right, the human rights commission actually has this whole investigative power that's literally never been used, right?

That's sitting in the charter and it's never been touched related to if someone's been discriminated against and accessing a city contract.

It's like this whole niche thing.

I think there's also this interesting layer of per year's point from the time you're doing recruitment to make it accessible for someone to know the just the broad strokes of information and see if they were interested in it's a good fit, but then to them actually entering on getting a real more in-depth understanding of what that commission is able to do paired with how to navigate like Robert's rules of order.

There's just like those are all these layers of accessibility topics that I think come up or can if someone gets glimpses of them early, can make them feel like I don't know if I can serve on that commission, or I don't know if I know enough, or so I'm just trying to think of how you give people enough of that information up front so they're not discovering it later.

Um I don't know, there's just it's just gets a little tricky, especially for commissions that do have some of those more authoritative powers that it could be used.

Alrighty, any further comments, questions.

I certainly appreciate the time that you guys waited to bring this to the table, and I'm so grateful for the commission.

Maybe they've got to let CO or us know if we can come support or keep someone to come support.

And say, you know, you let us know where we as a council can also help.

Absolutely.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Alrighty.

Moving on to agenda item nine.

We are adjourned.

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