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Wilmington Historic Preservation Commission Meeting - August 12, 2021

Historic Preservation CommissionThursday, August 12, 2021
BodyWilmington, North Carolina
SessionHistoric Preservation Commission
DateThursday, August 12, 2021
StatusFILED
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3:48

Good evening, everybody.

3:49

Uh, this welcome to the Historic Preservation Commission meeting this August twelfth.

3:54

My name is Joan Keston.

3:56

I'm the vice chairman of the commission acting tonight for this meeting as chairman.

4:01

Hearings before the historic preservation commission are quasi-judicial in nature.

4:06

This is a design review process to determine if the proposed project is congruent with the special character of the historic district or landmark.

4:13

Decisions of the Commission are based on the record of these proceedings, the Wilmington design standards for historic districts and landmarks, and the Secretary of the Interior standards for rehabilitation.

4:23

Evidence submitted to the commission for review becomes part of the record.

4:27

Appeals of commission decisions are to the Wilmington Board of Adjustment and then to the Superior Court and are based on the record.

4:33

Appeals must be filed within thirty days of the date of the commission's action.

4:37

Evidence is received during the evidentiary hearing portion of an agenda item.

4:42

Those who want to address the commission are sworn as witnesses to present material and substantial evidence to the commission.

4:53

Evidence should be directed to the commission.

4:56

To ensure that evidence is properly recorded, please come to the podium in the hall to address the commission.

5:02

State your name and address and speak clearly.

5:05

A brief reminder that members of the HPC are approved by and serve at the pleasure of the City Council.

5:10

Our charge is with respect to the protection and preservation of properties in the city's designated historic district.

5:31

It is important that we deliberate the merits of each request in a matter that provides a record as to the basis for our decisions.

5:38

Please remember that our deliberation should be centered on how a project meets the design standards and whether the proposed change is congruous or is not congruous.

5:47

Commissioners, if you have received or been aware of any outside evidence related to any of the matters, please recuse yourself.

5:54

At this time, I would like to request that you'll turn your cell phones off or to silent mode.

5:58

I would also like to introduce members here to this evening.

6:02

Um Ivy Freitag is the president preservation planner.

6:05

Melissa Huffman is the assistant city attorney, Christine Hughes is the senior planner, Amy Bradshaw is the planning uh coordinator.

6:15

Is that everybody that's here tonight?

6:18

Um at this time at this time, um, if anyone is wishes to speak, will they please raise to be sworn in, stand to be sworn in?

6:30

If everyone could please stand and raise your right hand if you intend to speak this evening.

6:39

Do you swear that the testimony you're about to give is the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth.

6:45

Thank you.

6:47

Um there has been a request that our um election of uh new chairman be postponed till the end of the meeting.

6:53

Does anyone object to that?

6:55

So we'll leave that go till after the uh applicant process.

7:03

Amy Ivy.

7:08

We're gonna prove the minutes.

7:11

Oh, I'm sorry, I need to introduce everybody.

7:13

If Kathy, could you please introduce yourself?

7:16

State your name.

7:20

Stephen Salke.

7:22

Christopher Yermal.

7:23

Ashley Wilson.

7:25

Ron Wilson, Michael Smith.

7:28

Marian Casmer.

7:34

Yeah, I can't get on to that.

7:35

Okay.

7:38

Oh, um uh we need a motion to accept the minutes from last month's meeting.

7:43

I just had that one correction, Amy.

7:45

Which I corrected, yes.

7:47

Okay.

7:48

I um was that the the first paragraph about Mr.

7:52

Romero's name in the minutes.

7:54

Yeah, I'd like to also have uh the closing my comments.

7:58

I believe that it was beyond the resolution that I would present tonight, also that I would be put asking to present again tonight if that could be reviewed, the audio reviewed and clarified at the ending.

8:15

The last paragraph uh when I spoke and said that I would be approaching.

8:19

I'm sorry, I'm having a hard time hearing you.

8:20

Could you speak into the microphone?

8:22

When I spoke, I I think in closing, I said not only would I be pursuing a resolution to address it, but that I would be further addressing the issue at the August meeting if that could be reviewed by audio and included in the minutes.

8:38

I would thank you.

8:53

Okay.

8:54

You have to vote.

8:56

Vote as amended.

Discussion Breakdown — Share of Meeting
Historic Preservation█████████████████████████████████████████████45%
Community Engagement███████7%
Legal Framework██████6%
Engineering And Infrastructure█████5%
Architectural Preservation█████5%
Environmental Protection█████5%
Procedural████4%
Public Engagement████4%
Budget Equity Analysis████4%
Summary of Proceedings

Wilmington Historic Preservation Commission Meeting

A regular meeting of the Wilmington Historic Preservation Commission was held on Thursday, August 12, 2021, at 5:30 p.m. in City Council Chambers, Skyline Center. Vice-Chair Joan Keston presided. The commission considered one continued old business item, four new business items, and a resolution regarding special legislation for demolition stays outside local historic districts. All votes are recorded as tallied.

Consent Calendar

  • Approval of Minutes (July 8, 2021): Approved 8-0 with an amendment to expand the description of Commissioner Smith's closing comments.

Public Comments & Testimony

  • Item 1 (117 S. 2nd St.):
    • Kathleen Findlen (121 S. 2nd St.): Opposed the waiver of the 365-day demolition stay, citing concerns about impacts to her property and foundation; requested provisions to protect surrounding structures.
    • Russ Bryan (attorney for Bruce & Sonya Carrell): Argued that the HPC lacked jurisdiction due to a consent order in Superior Court; requested the stay remain at 365 days.
    • Bruce Carrell (120 S. 3rd St.): Opposed demolition, stating the building could be renovated; requested additional time for resolution.
    • Sonya Wall Carrell (120 S. 3rd St.): Opposed the request, arguing the building has historic significance as a former African American school; requested the full 365-day stay.
    • Eileen Ashton: Asked the commission to consider the building's potential historic significance as an African American school.
  • Item 5 (708 Market St.):
    • Chris Holcombe (17 S. 7th St.): Expressed concerns about HardyPlank siding, storage space above garage becoming living space, parking difficulties, and the health of a live oak tree.
    • Jenna Holcombe (17 S. 7th St.): Raised concerns about parking, the live oak tree, and unclear fencing plans.
    • Mimi Ashton (16 S. 16th St.): Asked whether the units are condos or apartments.

Discussion Items

  1. 117 South 2nd Street – Demolition Waiver (Continued from July 8)

    • Staff summarized the request to demolish a non-contributing brick building. The applicant, Jonah Dicker, provided extensive engineering reports detailing structural failures, water infiltration, and mold. He argued the building is beyond reasonable salvage. Neighbors opposed, citing potential damage, lack of communication, and historic significance. The city attorney clarified the HPC's role is limited to determining the length of the demolition stay (up to 365 days). After deliberation, the commission approved a 90-day stay with conditions (vibration mitigation, salvage coordination, compliance with codes). Motion passed 7-0 (Yermal recused).
  2. 207 South 2nd Street – Rear Addition & After-the-Fact Tree Removal

    • Staff presented a proposal for a 249 sq. ft. rear addition to a contributing house, and approval for the accidental removal of a pecan tree (the tree company removed it along with a permitted laurel oak). The applicant, Mark Rhodes, revised window/door products to wood. Neighbors voiced no opposition. The commission approved the addition and tree removal with conditions (wood windows/doors, replacement tree). Motion passed 8-0.
  3. 114 North 7th Street – Rear Porch Addition & French Doors

    • Staff described a proposed rear porch with synthetic decking. The agent, Steve Venters, agreed to use wood decking per design standards. No public testimony was offered. Motion passed 8-0 with conditions (clear glazing, wood decking, building code compliance).
  4. 115 Ann Street – Front Porch Addition & Landscaping

    • Staff presented a proposal for a 129 sq. ft. front porch and landscaping on a non-contributing townhouse. Applicant Paul Biancardi stated the design was inspired by other porches in the area. Commissioner Wilson expressed concerns about the porch's simplicity and impact on the streetscape. Commissioner Yermal suggested a horizontal soffit. Public testimony from Katherine Biancardi and Eileen Ashton noted HOA approval was pending. Motion passed 7-1 (Wilson voted no) with conditions (4x4 columns if code allows, horizontal soffit, white paint already proposed).
  5. 708 Market Street – Rear Addition, Accessory Building, Site Improvements

    • Staff detailed a plan for a rear addition, detached two-story garage, site improvements, and landscaping on a contributing house. Windows were proposed in fiberglass; staff recommended wood. Public testimony raised concerns about HardyPlank siding, future conversion of garage storage, parking, and tree health. The applicant David Lisle confirmed condos and agreed to an arborist review. The commission approved with conditions (wood windows, tree protection fencing, replacement trees, arborist report for unhealthy trees, updated site plan for fence removal). Motion passed 8-0.

Key Outcomes

  • Item 1: Approved a 90-day stay of demolition with conditions (7-0).
  • Item 2: Approved rear addition and after-the-fact tree removal with conditions (8-0).
  • Item 3: Approved rear porch addition and French doors with conditions (8-0).
  • Item 4: Approved front porch addition with conditions (7-1).
  • Item 5: Approved rear addition, accessory building, and site improvements with conditions (8-0).
  • Election of Chair: Vote tied 4-4; Vice-Chair Keston will continue as Interim Chair until January 2022.
  • Resolution on Special Legislation: Commissioner Smith presented a resolution urging City Council to pursue state legislation allowing stays of demolition for National Register properties outside locally designated historic districts. After discussion, the commission approved the resolution 7-0 (Wilson absent). The resolution will be sent to City Council for further action.

The meeting adjourned at 9:48 p.m.

Meeting Transcript

Good evening, everybody. Uh, this welcome to the Historic Preservation Commission meeting this August twelfth. My name is Joan Keston. I'm the vice chairman of the commission acting tonight for this meeting as chairman. Hearings before the historic preservation commission are quasi-judicial in nature. This is a design review process to determine if the proposed project is congruent with the special character of the historic district or landmark. Decisions of the Commission are based on the record of these proceedings, the Wilmington design standards for historic districts and landmarks, and the Secretary of the Interior standards for rehabilitation. Evidence submitted to the commission for review becomes part of the record. Appeals of commission decisions are to the Wilmington Board of Adjustment and then to the Superior Court and are based on the record. Appeals must be filed within thirty days of the date of the commission's action. Evidence is received during the evidentiary hearing portion of an agenda item. Those who want to address the commission are sworn as witnesses to present material and substantial evidence to the commission. Evidence should be directed to the commission. To ensure that evidence is properly recorded, please come to the podium in the hall to address the commission. State your name and address and speak clearly. A brief reminder that members of the HPC are approved by and serve at the pleasure of the City Council. Our charge is with respect to the protection and preservation of properties in the city's designated historic district. It is important that we deliberate the merits of each request in a matter that provides a record as to the basis for our decisions. Please remember that our deliberation should be centered on how a project meets the design standards and whether the proposed change is congruous or is not congruous. Commissioners, if you have received or been aware of any outside evidence related to any of the matters, please recuse yourself. At this time, I would like to request that you'll turn your cell phones off or to silent mode. I would also like to introduce members here to this evening. Um Ivy Freitag is the president preservation planner. Melissa Huffman is the assistant city attorney, Christine Hughes is the senior planner, Amy Bradshaw is the planning uh coordinator. Is that everybody that's here tonight? Um at this time at this time, um, if anyone is wishes to speak, will they please raise to be sworn in, stand to be sworn in? If everyone could please stand and raise your right hand if you intend to speak this evening. Do you swear that the testimony you're about to give is the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth. Thank you. Um there has been a request that our um election of uh new chairman be postponed till the end of the meeting. Does anyone object to that? So we'll leave that go till after the uh applicant process. Amy Ivy. We're gonna prove the minutes. Oh, I'm sorry, I need to introduce everybody. If Kathy, could you please introduce yourself? State your name. Stephen Salke. Christopher Yermal. Ashley Wilson. Ron Wilson, Michael Smith. Marian Casmer. Yeah, I can't get on to that. Okay. Oh, um uh we need a motion to accept the minutes from last month's meeting. I just had that one correction, Amy. Which I corrected, yes. Okay. I um was that the the first paragraph about Mr. Romero's name in the minutes.

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