I am it.

Yes, that's what we thought.

Okay.

We're uh here, can you believe Jimmy here?

Well, it decided to add a strategic point those we need.

What we're gonna do, even with this ALC come back and go through this with us, see what we feel like we've accomplished, what we need still accomplished, what we want to take out the problems, what we want to put on those properties with thirds up for us as always, so I'm gonna try to keep what you have to jump to.

Uh really jobs we didn't have to find the job about a year and a half now, of course.

Um quite a bit.

Uh the previous plan, uh, go through those priority decisions that you all send up back there.

Uh what I achieved or not achieved, what's still a priority for you all.

Oh, and we maybe may need to be taken off that uh anything that you want to have to I'm so excited to be back here.

Um there's back to Tad.

I love him dearly, but I'm I'd be here in his head.

Um, I should be thinking notes um in Microsoft Word.

And so um, if I just miss something or I don't hear you, um I'll just ask me because we didn't have her on the better thing problem.

So we do a little bit of a little quickly that we did not have a strip.

So that's the reason we have this funding.

We all didn't use childhood.

All right.

So if we'd like to get started looking at uh little interest plan and the hot floor goals and place the way uh you all are along with us that by top federal meetings on that infrastructure and probably light with those uh two years.

How is that more how do that change is it any different?

Just something to added times that we take off of that.

Is that including the current beyond more than five things of farmers or that?

That's just the top four goals that's kind of the overarching thing for the profile in the spot for those projects uh how called in those uh areas.

Okay, how's the commission feel about leaving those as the top four?

You want to change it?

Anything we're working on all the loading, you know.

We have been um this past two years focusing on a lot of infrastructure, a lot of infrastructure, and I'm hoping this if we stuck to know it's focusing on quality of life and working and bringing some things to the community that are being asked to be brought by our direction.

So John, does that include can we make a comment on your current non-boarding projects or of course uh feel free to go ahead and talk about those current ongoing uh which ones have you been able to complete in the past two years with one throughout ongoing still commission to help me with this?

Okay, we completed a temporary school water project.

We have completed for Fulton Road.

We'll be having uh we'll be heading for that on August the 27th at 1030.

We have continuing more if you write Shannon or Lincoln Street east, yes.

Uh excuse of the west side is complete.

The east side we will we hope to start on the first on the east side uh a bit uh after the first of the year.

But by by then we are hoping that uh all the stuff is done with demolition, re uh those folks that live there being moved to new locations and things like that, and habitat should be able to start after the first of the year.

So we're looking at that project we completed here in 2026.

Probably building six houses is going building six houses, finding six families that are that those eight each house on the west side of making free cost habitat about a hundred and ten to a hundred and eighteen thousand dollars on the east side of each house is going to cost between 145 and 16.

Thank you for that.

So it looks like we've accomplished Fulton Road extension.

Lincoln is still a work in progress.

One side is complete, and the high side will be complete with the completion date of November 1st.

And if the rates are going, it may be completed sooner.

So it looks like we've taken care of our roads quite a bit.

And this um seven stream project is in design right now, the Palma.

Um so we're strank with that will end uh December of 27.

So that's kind of designed this year.

Um it'll be bid and start work there uh for next year and then finish 27.

All right, you're all scalp as we go through your page and splash pad is basically completed.

We'll be dedicating that um at the end of August.

We're waiting to be sure before you announce the date that contractor is cleaned up and out of the way that we should know that soon.

The parks we have increased funding.

We've uh put 250,000, I believe is correct.

City manager into the humidifier.

That's just our portion 250.

But the county does not pay for part of this.

So they paid half of their half.

Half of their half, okay.

All right, then it's only quirks.

We've expanded the facilities, we've completed the soft building, which uh Brian's been wanting for quite a while.

Brian, we didn't leave the reach personnel.

We're sorry.

We'll keep looking at that.

Uh EMS and fire department to be two separate divisions.

Uh EMS and fire department to be two separate divisions we've done that.

And we need to include there that we keep EMF.

Let's add that the city right under the CF.

And that them meaning we are not interested in private tax.

Absolutely so okay the retaining wall on Lysonavit has been removed.

It's been purchased by car dealership anybody know the name of them price order or they purchased that and they have been sending a letter to what's been getting it cleaned up and looking a little better out there.

So that's in process conversion of dilapidated properties into affordable housing we've been working on that steadily diamond number main houses about 27 in eminent domain lawsuits have been we've been issued these and uh have sold quite a few of those okay we had a on the proposal thing we did June we had how many lots we sold we sold uh to uh Kentucky version of and that's still going through the flat process uh uh some trees removed and then we sold three parcels um to Kentucky uh the habitat for humanity um and then there was a few that didn't have any bids on so and that's going through the plan I think process or and a lot of those were funding for the plane five we can't build anything built up and then the old for you open debate of the program um Bruce and I both attended uh last week um and that's in process meetings with how to utilize those funds they wouldn't have some decisions to make about 300 and 1900 and uh we go with the pavement money right now and I think some people staff wise have some ideas that we'll move on and a little bit later um but that is something that and we never know when it checks on the gun right we should right you know one day it just shows up it might be for 2000 but three months later there may be another one show up and it might be 10500 you just don't it only be the ideal I've got a idea on that but because it's personnel we need to discuss that in quite correct hanging that out here okay John's back to you I'm sorry quite of all those apparently going projects I think we all agree there's a few that are still not gone out but it's uh sub trees and the language projects uh but any of those that the initial appeal need to continue the ongoing maybe reworked reproduct and that needs to be moved on from anything like that or they're on the current ongoing projects right now that should be added um I'll say for parks I'd be interested to just add a notation I'm not really sure how the commissioner would feel on this or if this would be a valid item but for increasing funding I brought up the concept of a penny tax um that's not something I'm saying the commission has agreed upon but just a point of conversation perhaps a penny tax for the parks and just saying the discussion this discussion discussion and how if that's possibility what does it look like as for current and ongoing projects town branch uh by the end of the month let's see why um maybe even the public works part and fire DMS we don't need to include those as all projects but those they're complete very jumped those right so we can just take those off the list of go and leave on the ones that we're is the commission feel comfortable with that you do leave on the ones we're still have as ongoing and make off the ones we've included um maybe in replacement of the EMS fire department separate divisions perhaps a talking point on merged government services because we do know we think we will that we can save money by doing that not just for the city but for the county as well so at our 530 meeting uh we'll be doing some more discussion on that and Bruce and Alicia will update you so anything else so John will you go we're gonna take off uh I've taken off the completed items of town branch

We'll think we will that we can save money by doing that, not just for the city, but for the county as well.

So at our 530 meeting, uh we'll be doing some more discussion on that and Bruce and Alicia will update you.

So anything else?

So John, will you go we're gonna take off?

Uh I've taken off the completed items of town branch, uh the Fulton Road extension, splash pad, uh the public works grading facilities want me to be able to keep the increased rationale item, uh taking off the MS and prior part to be two separate divisions, but then potentially added time uh for topic point on merged or services.

Uh sure it says merge surfaces, not merge go and also the retaining to all complex to that and uh dilapidated properties is ongoing, so yes, that's all we'll all be did that one will still be ongoing.

You will always have the core money.

And that would be a way to have you know we do need to have some discussion if that is some point, maybe close it.

Well, the one thing that I would I would like to add the good economic attack is um cracking in on like code enforcement, uh where we have three and those we're looking at sponsored, it's time having all backy twice this week for downtown rock, and we really do need history.

I think they can forget to block my number.

If he was right, she would have to say something, sure.

Well uh for the firing uh the EMS because I'm still almost in the um strategic plan that was approved by the commission.

I will I wouldn't think that that oh maybe I'll need this but it'll stay on there.

Um I uh I think as a continued project because we're still on the facilities and the personnel and stuff like that um in that department.

So I would caution to take one of that.

It just went out for via yesterday.

Yeah, there's on the August 27.

That's for what's out there.

That's a good idea.

Everybody's completely that is on things and some other current projects that we're doing.

Uh we're working on the replacement of the Martin Louisa King um bridge.

Um that's infrastructure.

That's a current project that's kind of ongoing right now.

And on that bridge, our fire for AgWeddis exceeds the weight limit for that bridge.

So they're cutting down on their response time, so they're gonna need to take it off to the route to get up to like Baker and Strobe and that area.

So Alicia's been uh working on the grant which wanted to try to see if we can get some help there, but you know, cutting down response time is not a good thing.

Right.

Yeah, there are I would say also add uh depot street to that.

Yeah, okay.

But they have to be uh on on page and under the area we would add.

Yeah, throughout here, and right three and the fire department.

So we've got phase two and phase three there.

We completed one or phase two is going to be um at city the where the farmers market space and stage three is gonna phase three will be um at building one and so that's kind of where we are, but somehow send us a couple million dollars for it.

I know how to photo that we just provide.

Yeah, okay.

There you go.

I mean, price.

You gotta pay that back.

Yeah.

Uh oh, like you said, uh look into more strategic areas now.

Um we have seven listening for you all back and talking to a pre infrastructure quality of life function right, housing downtown, safe city of education touch workforce training.

Uh I'm not familiar with those are in specific order, though, or those are just set of strategic strategic areas that you identified.

gotta pay that back that's not yeah uh oh well like you said uh for which we can kind of look into more about strategic areas now um we have seven lists we can bring you all back to three infrastructure quality life function right housing downtown safe city of education touch workforce training uh I'm not familiar if those were in specific order though or those are just set of strategic strategic areas that you will identify um but have those changed in any way or any of those that you don't picked out it'll keep moving forward on and uh we can look through those strategic recommendations or building those areas about this field to kind of those options as well and you all think we're going to do well I think so uh I mean I think we've come a long way we know we see a long way to go but we have come a very long way more one thing uh the last one under down town five that's a really digging point right now where you can uh page eight already this is uh refresher since it's last time against the inside of here um they were not listed and or violated they were just had the randomly listed one through seven so quite sure refresh that at all do you all like the order that's there when we're in I just think we need to recognize that there is no priority for better unless I have more load handling rate than others yep yeah the narrative it's a easy right to not probably are there any items within uh each strategic area that you all have say about whether he building taking out maybe I don't want any additions things like that you may the infrastructure quality uh no very you kind of mentioned the quality collection about you know those bigger overarching we're saying well we have two families that have been interested in actually putting in uh an entertainment center but the cost is prohibited for that so you know we're still working on finding a place would be suitable um that would be a city and just possibly could be a fully uh partnership um which you already know this we structure that but um I don't know the quality of life is so important I was out yesterday at um jersey mics stop by us just say well people to the community um and they said we have already fallen in love with Manchester and you know they like the community itself they like the people that are the services um and those are the kind of things we want to bring this community but we have to keep up our quality of what and I mean before I die to have rolling alley and entertainment center and some of those things that we have not had for years years in this community and you know that's one of my very strong things in the album all important every point of one and maybe quality of life emerged with some of things handles talking about parts and wreck and different things but I want us to really take a deep dive next year rest of this year whenever we just follow me a lot.

You strike the now I guess and add the I think just a I know I don't know if they're only like it's it's relevant to I think every outfit is thus far that I've noticed from the other side of the fancies but I would love to see that and I think would benefit quality life and fire and that anything I would love to see you guys considering the band resources personnel resources available to the planning zone department we have a wonderful building inspector who is above above the custom is fantastic to work with um and with all the projects that we have coming up sooner uh that makes makes me anxious how available it's going to be to have answer the questions but the same question is going to be applicable for an entertainment center for all sorts of things to make sure that we have the best funded best staff planning zoning department of Boss could be hands so that we can do some of these big projects it takes months to process governments and things like that if one more field so that's not disparity balance anyway I think it's better than it's ever been upstairs before uh adding that on same thing I would say I work fire process but we have a great fire model right now making sure that they have all the resources that they keep doing public safety set.

Oh we can't book kicking button what's so you're basically saying we should look at enhancing our planning zone if the plan is to bring more housing street on this brand things and all these things basically we have to make sure that we've got the animal staff plan to do it we might find location on it.

That's what my head is been on.

And just to let you know those are ongoing conversations, but I have uh object.

The department's going better than it ever has report.

Uh percent by years ago here, it's uh I think that that's one of the first phone calls of mining zone that's not gonna build an event.

So the plane yes, can't really thank you for saying that's just something I'll tell you.

Yeah, all right.

Uh look at that the next issue.

So these areas of parks and rampant housing and others that was very complicated to have the splash web or the very stop at these angular applications that there's these areas that need to be added removed.

Community's still pushing pretty hard running and out again.

The splash bay will be open soon.

Of course, it's gonna be fall and winter because we ice skate on it.

Um so I I would like to see if that one's still kept in uh city manager.

Would you talk about one, two, three?

That's cool.

Bullet point number five, where we talked about the nerve stuff, but the new legislation by the state is that clear.

That's correct.

Yeah, we've had several conversations about recreational facilities at her, which is uh WMU's uh old wastewater treatment facility, but I did pull up this uh email that I got, but legislation did change at January.

Yeah, okay, or is that yes?

I do this uh 902 K AR 10 127.

This is section five bullet point two.

It says the beach or watershed used for recreational purposes shall not have been used as a part of a municipal sewer system, including a sewage overflow as well.

So that's why we didn't draw the nerve project click off the state plot.

Is that correct?

That is correct.

Doesn't mean you can't have it somewhere, right?

Correct.

Or we can draw them for that brand bothering us in because we were in the planning phase before the legislation.

This is from our uh Rebecca Gissing, our um public health director.

And they just passed this in the last session, I think, correct?

Yeah, and I think she's gonna support this legislation.

Oh, has it passed, or is it the best January?

January.

Okay, so we need to either give an exemption you talk.

We weren't in the planning stage before and be brand further than or get that legislation change.

Well, they just put it in on each thing, change it.

Yeah, all there's a whole bunch of stuff they're gonna change the adopted land here.

Well, it could be something that it's looked at a little differently than like a swimming situation and more um water activities, yeah, because I I think you know this has been a large point of conversation is is the quality of that water and a little muddy response.

Um because you're the king of hunts.

Um but just I I get what you're saying.

Um I did want to backtrack I didn't speak up quickly enough.

Sorry, quality of life.

I'd be interested to see a little more concrete uh background to increase downtown and community events by 10 percent.

I think it's hard to say like what's 10, what's downtown, what's a regular event, what's a special event, maybe it's something like eight new events um per calendar year, didn't we see them issue sitting downtown to downtown DNB?

Yes, it may be something in partnership with the part.

Um but I'd like maybe to revise that just to be a little more concrete.

Yeah, why can you suggest or think about it?

We can think about it for sure, so I don't want to overload it.

I just say increase the company if you start at that once you put a number on it.

Percentage on it.

A percentage on it or number on it if you you you you schedule any events of six of them are rained out.

Well, sure, and that's a unique situation, but maybe it's something like in the peak season, which I would assume is like April through October.

You could have five events, 40 events, or you just want to just say increase downtown and community events angular.

Do you want the you want to number off?

I don't know.

What do you all think?

Why don't you put a number of things?

You're locked into it.

Well, I mean, this isn't like we're gonna you know if you don't have five events, we're done.

You're not no, but I think just a little more guidance.

Okay, I think we have a bank remote break.

No, no, no, no, but I don't go back to probably um clearly there's like a down time.

Um, there is way too much.

How would we manage it?

Even if it was like three, I think it depends on the number, yeah.

So when I'm over here, like cringing a five eight, like I get that because that'd be one a month, and that's a lot.

Yeah, but like you said, they add two new events or something like that.

I think um that would be reasonable, but then um you have to continue to add two new events every year or change.

Um, so um, I think that's something to consider as well.

Um, because you want the quality of your event uh because if you're planning too many, and they're just not good events.

You're stretched too bad, that's not really meeting your goal of quality either.

So that point could be updated to just say add more or do downtown assignment community events if we could list some examples.

Can I obviously lose doing those years of watching travel horse after horses?

Well, maybe the city should incentivize private groups to organize events uh instead of we incentivize the city to organize more events.

Well, that's what I was just uh I don't want to box the CN, but I think support would be that way.

If it's like your event, your grass over event or festival could you just mention it or something like that, you know.

We just need to support that in some way, but not boxes in them.

Uh so that so you feel like I'd like to take somebody do it for the geologic.

We're the only place around here.

I love seeing that.

I think we all probably have or it could be standing all day at life park.

You can do a car and probably for it.

Um I would uh we we did we used to have a monthly city event.

Uh we did it.

It was a mess because it was the every members, but like incentivize the different organizations to do that, but they're gonna know better anyway.

They're anything.

So we incentivize will feed off of what we'll get in the act.

There's a perfect place today and do events or anybody to apply or do some of our projects will help with us bringing us how do you want to read it?

I'm not sure.

I just think that uh collaboratively, I like what we're saying.

If we're not seeking anything too concrete, maybe listing ideas or opportunities, but I just I don't know.

We've got this huge project downtown and depot streets looking better and better all the time, and you know, the parks are doing all kinds of activities, and that's something a little bit more how about this uh the support and actively uh a support and actively support uh additional events in in the downtown and other parts of the community.

So I guess we need to maybe make it clear that is one way or not because fiscally I don't know what we can do.

So we need to maybe make sure we're not saying we're giving money to private events.

We should support it with the public work support, yeah.

Yeah, support looks different.

I agree.

Uh yeah, I also know that I would probably include evaluating your current events, and I would have Google five nodes as well.

So just a lot of them have been the thing for years and years.

So how can we modify current events?

So better see, you know, our teams are our designers, uh just like an overall look at your events and all right.

Yeah, I think that's like evaluate and re-establish a lot of any way, yeah.

So do the events might think we have some strategic area.

Yeah, of course I do agree that it is kind of while we want to certainly be some strategic area issue besides that there's a lot of best because that would allow us to put it quite a few different areas options for the city.

I'm not doing political thing, whether it's specifically a number or specifically what kind of sweet.

Uh it'd be a list of options perhaps that you can be a part of or uh helping facilitate the different downtown handle or that's the optional side of that.

Bringing it aside from quality of life that's strategic area like yet.

So we can recognize that it is an element of quality of life all you can separate very well.

So they said a seven suite area, it's that we're going to wanted that.

It'll be downtown.

Um not to jump ahead.

But under downtown good amount of that's completed.

So we can almost merge what's remaining of downtown and that concept of downtown community events.

I don't know, I'm not the professional on this.

Uh we've done all but you know, we pretty much done yeah, shuttle service and grocery, and of course the enforcement.

We did the those for excess we were putting right, right?

I guess only that we need back to the case.

We updated the main and blind of property wood.

So we are we are, but that's why we need to concentrate on downtown farms to each other.

We have that tonight, too.

Yeah, uh yeah, we know we established that historic information that way.

We have done that, whatever you think, whether it's its own area or just a bullet point or whatever you think um well.

I would love to have strategic reason from you guys about what you want in my role.

So I mean if you guys have other ideas that you think you should execute in the next couple of years, that helps me to understand what your visual points are.

So do we want to make it a separate um strategic area, or do you think we will do it?

I mean, there's no reason we can't have another one, right?

When you're saying she'd like direction, she's she's the person to make that comment.

So make that number eight.

Or what if we need to see if I have says the ones?

Yeah, you could we can maybe some of those items under that top of the area.

And then we are gonna look at this again right before we have right update, or I mean before you make copies when you have split to no one, then we'll have a chance to review the whole thing.

And we'll get home, you know, something like Bob and Iran that we well, we should have said that what do you send things to the things John?

Yeah, this is your client.

Yeah, everybody comfortable so far.

Yeah, I hope anyone age some.

I'm sure I'm so excited about the company and strengthening or just for downtown because now's the time we'll do this.

Yeah, yeah, I thought I have grown down with strength and force and uh we didn't create uh grocery store restricted.

I would have to use the recruiting that you make on service well.

I don't say that because I know one person had a lot of confusion uh during the year sheets, but that might not need to be a list, that might just be but there's there's very confused power work.

So I don't know if if uh but that might not need to be political work, yeah.

It could just be maybe there's power pow session with one of those downtown business meetings and they review it again.

I just think if there was um one person's heart, I don't think um that leaves us with safe city and education workforce training, uh those two that are uh still ongoing and it would be removed any of those objects in those uh strategic areas that we need to expounded on and other strategic areas might have we did the same will exclude the MS and fireflock and the third one falls more under number side and going back to that second floor point.

Um that leaves us with safe city and education workforce training uh last two items anything within those two that are uh still ongoing and it would be removed by any of those objects in those uh shabish cranes that we need to expounded on and other officer right now we did the same with the exclude the emission fire department the third one falls more under another sign but going back to that second floor point can we decide that we're gonna keep that in there because the facility or right that was the session about we've done the first part and we've done syllabus right okay and you talk on the parts in the compensation study it's been completed the lens bullet that's been and I've been talking to Chief Thompson about recent bike control so many bikes do you have we have four now we've increased that quantity since this but we just gotta get increased staff to be able to utilize them more than what we do but I mean we're we're utilizing as much as we can that's what paternity always gonna be not popular we're pretty needy a little more needy now in the educational training any of those items need to be changed by the way so do we think that that should move to education workflows on that's really the ECTC understation that I don't we can go either way really but I mean I know we're talking about more opportunities through the high school to BCTC I imagine as well yeah I think we're sitting there where it is don't you just I think the idea was city employees like the paramedic I think we're saying I think they were saying yeah doing that but I think it's anything we'll see was there out when one did shell is oh thank you um emther classes that the fire department em s that they do that's um available to the public chief would you rather see it under safe city or would you rather sit under education and workforce probably education workforce because what we've done is we've started teaching our own each basic but as well as in the T advanced and just recently we conducted our first MR class which some administrative staff or the PD uh our department were able to take um so those are all really really good advantages things we can do that else okay so we want to remove it has from safe city put it under education Bruce we've been done both kind of redundant couldn't have done that other thing before but should be sort there should be no library I should look mission speak up three one and two places one place for joint okay that's the plus you approach question all right and then on under seven on the last bullet point uh the only progress you may in returning the joint planning accounting that is we could restarted the ENS meeting working with uh was exposed city and county and we are doing joint planning at the schools at least once a week uh going to events and planning and we meeting and giving those kind of things so we're really acting on the school that's not so much on the county but you all graze that I would say that we need to probably review the hand for preschool I'm just not sure where that would be that would fit in right now and Mr.

Howard is okay apologization with Mr.

Howard do the last two weeks about that and they have discussed it with board and the board it's not wanting to move any direction right now they're not waiting so should we remove it from the parks and rec as well i've been leave it in there we've had a you know this is not next but quite I'd love to see the library multi section the well I guess I meant the uh well there's a charge actor too and then I don't think BCTC has done is colony because there's not they are focused more on well needed industrial maintenance technical program so we can go back to the course are we going to keep it there for them or we'll do take out partial kitchen and then parts of MCT for the they have to collect every program that's in that survey and I think they would if right or would allow it they would come over here teaching well I think every option's on the table but I don't know if that's something we want to focus on we don't

Are we going to keep it here for them?

Are we able to take out partial kitchen and then parts of MCT or they have to collect every program that's in that service?

And I think they would if Ryan Coral would allow it, they would come over here teaching.

Well, I think every option's on the table, but I don't know if that's something we want to focus on.

We don't um I would like to focus on high wage how to pay jobs.

So you're saying take out where it says I do need it to commercial kitchen to take that out.

Well, I would just take out how much a speech that's what I'll take the whole thing out.

Yeah, yes, I agree.

And then go back to parks and Joe reads the hand with certain deposit lenses.

Yeah, they want the three of us that all thank you.

And let it read the event to see the civil rule comes out for no longer they directly use as a space for parts and rural space support.

And libraries, the library is interesting too.

So maybe we need the A parks, public library, there really should be an all-time use.

Well, I think we're keeping it on multi-haps.

We did on that.

Okay.

Um here's something, sorry.

The first bullet point on seven support entrepreneurship in the city.

I'd like to just see something maybe a little more detail-oriented.

I think there's been a discussion about the possibility of generating like a letter or something that can communicate to potential businesses what programming the city provides, such as the BDIF or what the industrial work has going for it.

Uh maybe something like support entrepreneurship with an informative collaboration between the city and IBA.

So that if someone's shopping around and looking at potential locations, we can present.

Here's Winchester, we're great, and here's why we're great.

And here's what we can provide, and here's what's already provided.

And was that conversation?

Yeah, wouldn't be fired.

I've already got that conversation to generate later.

So that could be, I mean, whether it's just emphasizing that.

But you know, one of Brad Sound skills, too, you just have an entrepreneur center.

Yeah, you do.

I've heard you know that we downtown.

So maybe or maybe or maybe even part of that.

That's another item.

We can pull center different options.

So different shooter, but very specific options that the city can pursue that I do not want to find the C through.

But if they've got a member of B staff with SB, what was the SBC small business development center on Main Street?

Um, they have to do the University of Quecky and Wall and the original reason we walked in that kind of building was for a small incubation project collaborative with university to provide entrepreneurial resources uh for startup business owners.

Wouldn't it be great if the city of Winchester could take over the really lengthy go nowhere phone call for women and see if the University of Kentucky will still finish your back opening it through small business entrepreneurial development center, similar to a medication school for people that are considering going in for business?

The one thing that we have in Winchester is concentrated people who they're trying to create would have a lot of money within the one for that they have healthy resources available to make sure that their money is good idea to send the University of Kentucky have a grant program to open entrepreneurial program here, so they would talk about that I got lost at two or three hundred hours phone calls, and uh it would take a lot of if you want a very specific way of how do we help uh entrepreneurs uh education and give it a really good one in the university tech program how they place to do that.

They used to be here.

I guess it was great and go there all the time.

Maybe you need to join with you that on a future agenda and university contestant in context from Avon and let them go and talk to us.

See what it would think about how it would revolve city, there's a financial impact on here.

Let it fall.

And then we're gonna bring I really don't know why they left or what the report of Grant back in you all come with that on agenda, just put it on the work session.

doing on the university tech program how you guys to do that they used to be here i guess it was great expo there all the time well maybe you need to joy would you put that on a future agenda and university can take a big contacts from Adam and let them go and talk to us do that to see what it would take about how it revolved city if there's a financial impact on here let it we're gonna bring I really don't know why they left or what the report of grant back in you all come with that on agenda just put it on the work session okay thank you okay yeah we need to move into the robot stuff which would be direct by the packs previously all had to get uh nine to ten of these uh support at grocery stores strong water spot is when it's I mean those are changing the thing that's going to be taken off they could be added for those those are just kind of the overarching on it that at the time you all very uh focus on more you'll dedicate them probably the end of October first of November with then so and the salaries comp studies been completed well I was thinking that same thing but that's probably the biggest impact we have on our budget right it is yes I don't know if that's something that you want to leave for the time recently it's whatever you guys think I guess we're saying to be salaries and benefit okay I agree because I'm sure we'll keep looking at cost of pay increases important thing we decided check if we make sure they go from so kids are okay everybody will get that salaries then we had the uh city budget timelines but we've categorized these people in terms of how critical slash important they were the C complet completed then we also added uh a budget here for these items again or then expect a budget here for the completion uh we have a few pages of release uh I think they're certainly built out on different timelines for just immediate that further into the future so um so how these island families and others will be a few up there that you guys have uh hang lines they're still ongoing if we take it off anything like that's the compensation study compensation yeah it's all um we have working on store water we're in the process of doing uh an asset management inventory now currently so we're working on that i'm not i had interpreted public space as clean safe funding on that we have those as annual consideration so some of these items you all determined publicly we're gonna be yearly things that you're gonna take a look at for the procedural future so those items are still in that kind of mindset that we keep those out of it convertible advocated properties into affordable housing that's ongoing competitive salaries for first responder first mail we've worked on that real well first responders needs um is the city manager mentioned while ago got grw is working now on plan for renovation of station one and upgrading station three that's ongoing that's ongoing just there for future needs where you've uh that's ongoing for police and fire public safety for facilities but you know the um um state office building basically or they're like a decision within near future we know as to where they're gonna put the new building downtown maybe for how big it stays downtown um but that may go a lot to do with what we do some of our syllabus so we'll kind of wait and see when it's hand to see if they can hear our compensation I study quite very y'all jump in here folks thank you um under critical starting with uh the roads completing current road work you know we're completed Jackson Street we need full and advantage and that will I think it's been on that one close off we have completed the last one in that box question bad one comes off um I think the first one under the second page that are on pay as much work and I might see okay I don't have to do here is yes I absolutely for some I agree it'll be an employee decade just here before I don't say that and then uh the work in the private sector to explore and implement seconds employment would have spent a little bit of discussion about maybe using some opioid payment dollars there but that's something we're gonna have to discuss on a different day as a commission but that I think we're needing there on

It'll be an employment decade.

And then uh the work in the private sector to explore and implement seconds employment, which has been a little bit of discussion about maybe using some opioid payment dollars there.

As a commission, but that I think we're needing there on the one.

Um down the list, we've done an established entertainment district downtown that's done constructive agents memorial downtown that we've done a few months.

Um I just graduated seven recruits two weeks ago.

So we have done that.

I think Chief Thompson could use another officer with the LD.

Five down maintaining a free brand.

We now hire a full-time grade outdoor with city.

Yeah.

Um, these are redundant for you.

And then on the last page, maybe we've missed.

I think we've mentioned number except for maybe a feasibility study for the trail system.

Um it's been proposed that we do a feasibility study with where it's the urban county garbage uh the trail system from where it was bright and that bright trailer, like the trail extra.

And it goes on the way to really deeper.

Yes.

So you know, that's something we might want to consider taking a look at it.

Sometimes we would take it off.

I think it's good.

I think we've accomplished something we didn't even know was possible with the uh Van Avenue process.

Yes, it's correct.

So there's curve.

Yeah, my list.

I just had uh boon avenue improvements.

I think you know, once we see that that's small uh pilot program, uh we can expand that expressway improvements, so on the road issues, it's just that's just something right.

We've talked about parking garage, there's a lot of hoops to jump through with that, but that's we don't maybe something that we could pull on depot street, uh basements.

So I think we could utilize third lore a little bit more the kind of space that we have, and that would help optimization efficiency for our city budget.

Okay, um, we talked about fire station, new police station.

Um the other thing I would like to see is a sports complex.

So we'll just property better.

Um right there on Lakes Avenue, it's been vacant forever.

So there's a house there.

I'm at his house that we're gonna do.

Up there yesterday and survey.

Oh, really?

Yes, there was a survey crew up there yesterday.

Someone approached me with the dream of that being soccer field, and not getting the money in the jury to do that.

Right.

And then there's another individual that is looking at property out at a corner of Mount Surround Road and the bypass from Racquet about a combined in the work out more thing.

He has talked about the person that everyone in this room will know.

And I think another thing we discussed as mission at some ones may have looking for land for a new fire station.

We may end up being on how it goes for the state.

You may say the police station, uh, depending on what properties are required or demolished or left standing event that we just don't know at least it's big on 530.

So and then we talked about continue mapping our score more than keeping that.

So um and I just got a reading following.

Um I just think we've done a really good job.

Um what we've been thinking this plan has been invaluable to us, as it's have us on target, and we haven't wandered off too far.

Um well, we also need to uh approve items two and three on on the agenda.

Yeah, well is there any more comments on strategic point.

No, I think we remember any questions about that's going forward.

Me and Sarah would be totally today with open for our office with marketing.

Are we any city still?

Yes, but as far as I know not the follow, not all so you can plan or should you plan some close to me.

So if we want to keep them on mail comment.

Well the one I can think of is hazard there.

We just completed or we're about to complete their separate plan of the personal things.

And I think we're working.

We're trying more to bring things that we have been brought as you need to put forward.

We're trying to enhance a lot of the things that we think of working and uh in our decisions, you know, it just we all just sleep in line sometimes.

I think we're all in this and we know that we are there.

Um you know what people say or don't say about it.

We are working hard.

And I appreciate all the very let's go back just for a second, Sarah and John.

Y'all can face this point.

Yeah, that's right.

Um minutes, let's go uh down to our minutes from June 3rd, 2025 special 430, July 15, 2025 special 430, regular 55 30, and July 17th, 2025 special 930 a.m.

meetings is there a motion all right.

Okay, Commissioner Poole and I cannot motion or second either please because they're all together and she was absent one meeting and I was acting the other.

Um second and file.

We can vote the I should post file accent, motion here.

Uh item three, departmental and agent suiting courts.

We'll leave the motion there unless there's anything anyone wants to highlight out of those items.

Okay, is there a second second by commissioner stroke?

All in favor, aye.

Uh-huh.

Any opposed like sign motion carries.

Motion to adjourn the fourth amendment.

Item four informational items.

This is for information only.

And I didn't want to point out for A that if you receive a grant uh for two million seven hundred thousand dollars for sewer extremements, and um this is huge.

So that they now have the money to do this project.

Um we did our work session.

So is there a motion to adjourn the work session and let's take a five-minute break and go into granted?

I made the motion second second for jewel.

Yes, yeah, right.

Uh UAS that's that's always going to be on the end.

Oh, is there anyone else who wants to sign up to see very much?

Thank you, ma'am.

And I'll be looking for this.

Um the elements okay.

If everyone will please rise to the pledge of allegiance, will be led by Commissioner Joe Chanel, followed by our invitation from Chief Thompson.

I'd say something justice for all.

I would say we thank the opportunity to gather here tonight and conduct the business of the city.

We've already been with the commissioners because we make the students of the community, please be with the student staff, please be with the citizens of this community, especially those that are suffering and then send yours last name report.

Everyone will please be seated and we'll call the meeting to order.

Sorry, we're a little bit late starting, but we had a good workshop with uh strategic planning this afternoon.

Um let's go down to new business and if you're noticeed on the agenda.

We have a city county EMS discussion.

And all of us have been receiving text and emails and um conversations about some things that have been on Facebook.

And I've asked the city manager and the treasurer to address those tonight line by line, which we're gonna do and clarify and be sure the correct information is out in the public.

So I'm gonna turn it over to you and uh Alicia at this time.

All right, great.

I'm gonna let uh Alicia start with the budget portion of it, and I'll fill in with the rest.

So I wanted to kind of talk about the um way that we budget the way that we bill and the uh what the county and they receive because I think that that's kind of gotten a little um misinformation.

I'll be with the skin that uh posted.

So um I wanted to kind of talk about that.

And I know that this is not a uh new information on for the commissioners booking the public.

I'm just gonna give them a rundown of what we do.

We do have two separate budgets, one for prior and uh one for uh EMS.

So that was a little one of the questions.

I was uh do we uh I don't combined the uh the council give me I'll leave them separate and we do leave them separate.

Um and there are two different um assistant um chiefs that I'll work on those on budgets as well.

Uh uh they work on that out with the fire chief.

Um so when the commission we approve the budget, um it got approved this a year, and I I said that information, I send all pertinent county information on to the county as soon as possible.

Um so they were um sent the budget owned numbers and all county related expenses on on May the 28th.

Um so that included the EMS um uh dispatch because we all have a joint agreement with on a dispatch as well.

Um we have a poll payment um for the pull it on college park, um a full flood plan on the coordinator, um, and the fireworks.

Um those are joint agreements that we have we on the uh I'll have all with the county, and we made sure that they knew all of those um all those like budgeted amounts prior to the um first I'll agree on their budget and uh the Alex City's budget as well.

Um so we every quarter I pull a revenue report um get in an expenses um and I send that to the county so the revenue we receive is from our uh a real billing public service.

They collect our um the uh payments, they deposit it for us, and then we um I'll notate that in our revenue side of our budget.

Um, and then the expenses uh like I said, we are um it is a separate from the fire budget, so the expenses we call it uh uh department like 28.

Is it PMS?

Um so I pull I uh the report for the quarter for that on the budget as well.

Um I take out anything that um we already get a reimbursement for so we have an incentive on pay that gets on um awarded to some of the staff like based on their um other like training hook status.

Um so they I'll take up that out because that is I I get actually I'll reimburse it only to us um from the park commission.

Um so that is only something out of the county uh that they do not pay.

Um and then once I um like have the revenues out with the expenses, I send them a sheet um of the revenues, um, take out the expenses, and then they pay um 39 uh 30 percent of the deficit of that amount.

Okay, would you repeat that much the percentages of 39% of the deficit?

Okay, so we take out uh we uh take the old revenues, subtract out the expenses, and they pay 39 30 percent of that amount.

Um, so that is like how the budgeting works, they are at a separate um department, um, keep all the separate expenses.

There are look some expenses that can be split because they are splitting uh the location.

So the PMS uh their accounts uh oh within our like fire within the fire departments.

So if they need something within that uh uh that department, then it is uh you may unsee fire and EMS, but it is a strictly I like split between the departments.

And I did have, I don't know if you have the problem with those one.

Okay, yeah.

Um the county um requested at the last license.

I joined a committee to do a budget deep dive of basically wanted to go on the line by line on the budget.

Um we did invite them to our budget uh sessions.

Um I mentioned that they knew of our budget on sessions.

Um so I um our budget is already completed, and whatever was approved all by this commission.

Um I didn't make a thro um past three years of expenses and then this uh year's own budget, and then kind of did an explanation of what those online items how they include if it wasn't strictly uh salaries or something like that that was already explained.

Um so I'm I didn't know where what direction the commission wanted to go within the um discussion of the budget.

Is this is this a sufficient a representation of what we would like um to send to the county for the budget discussions since our budget is already completed and approved.

Commission.

And you're talking about at the next EMS meeting.

Yes, ma'am.

I think this is great information and I don't think I mean it's a comparison of three years.

Um just because we have a budget doesn't mean we spend that budget.

And I like to like know that like if you get a contract, then you're going to pay with a contract that what kind of what kind of uh the prices for the budget we spent uh up to uh up to that budget.

And if uh oh, we were on to only to exceed the on the that I'll need to come on a commission, and I will need to go on to the joint committee as well, so they were aware so they would know that it was affecting their budget.

And Commissioner Strode and Commissioner Tools serve on that along with myself.

And are you all comfortable with that information?

Yeah, I think this is a great too.

I'm thinking now is right now.

I think it gives for someone who's not unused to looking at our budget, being able to kind of see a little bit of a detail.

And it's all transparent.

I mean it's I understand the newspaper.

Right.

Yes, so it's it's all the information that is readily available.

Right.

Um I don't I have a budget, I'll point on the with the just yet.

Uh but I'll I'll be willing all very shortly.

Commissioner um Chenault or Commissioner Cox, you all satisfied with that information being discussed at EMS.

Yeah.

Mr.

Chenal, you good?

That's I mean, I think we're all on the same that our budget is is complete.

Good job.

So that's the you've done a good job paying all that together.

Yeah.

But I would think I've not heard from the committee on what they'd like to see yet for that meeting.

It's their turn.

And so the public knows we alternate meetings.

The city hosted one time, the county hosted the next.

And the county had been asked numerous times to come and it was their turn just actually pull together a meeting, and it didn't happen until Diana continually called and sent emails and said we really need to be having a meeting.

So that's how that comes about.

So it was not anything to do with the city.

The city calls their meetings when they're supposed to.

So I want to clarify that point.

I do think it's over.

I like talking about that.

Um I think that the city manager I will be addressing it, which I guess addressing it, that it was stated that they received the numbers up.

It'll look after the budget.

And that was not true.

That's not accurate.

We've got documentation as to home and all of that.

Oh, well, that in the budget uh sessions were um right over to the public as well.

Okay, is anyone on the commission have a question for Alicia?

Okay, thank you very much.

That's taking a lot of work to put compile that.

So thank you.

This right here is uh just a snapshot of what Alicia sends to the county for uh the billing process.

She sends this every quarter.

You can see that this is the first quarter of 25 that she sent.

She uh details out all the revenues that come in, she details out all the expenses, uh, calculates the deficit of that, and then charges the county the 39% at the bottom.

Um detail back on sheets as well.

Like those are just a uh reconciliation uh of what I do on the background sheets, and they get that as well.

Yeah, so it has line items on there too.

Yeah, actually all of the line items that uh came up after those expenses.

She provides that in report.

Okay.

And next slide.

Um, so during the budgeting process, uh, like Alicia said, all the joint uh uh shared expenses she sends over.

But this is the one that we did send over to the county.

It details out uh the general fund expenses of how much we're spending total for EMS, uh, what our budgeted revenue is gonna be, uh, that deficit, and then the county portion is gonna be 968,370.

So that is what we budgeted, and then we sent that over to the county so that they would know.

Now, capital expenses, uh, their portion of the capital that we approved as a commission to spend for EMS was a total of 1.2 million dollars, but the county's portion of that is 491, 6065.

So altogether that's about 1.4 million.

But I think it's very important that we don't uh lump that in because I think general fund expenses are pretty different in capital expenses.

In fact, I'm gonna show you, I think on the next slide.

Uh this right here.

So if you look at uh the data that was uh given out, uh this is uh over a three-year period.

The general fund uh from 23 to 24 did increase 29 percent, but from 24 to 25, we only budgeted and increased it uh 6.9%.

And then this year uh was only a 2.34% increase in general fund, and that's recurring expenses that happen uh every year that you can kind of build in and you know what's gonna happen.

So when the county says that they've got all these increases, I think that's kind of a misconception because really our operating did not increase but about 2.34 percent on EMS this year.

Like I said, capital is a little bit different because one year you could spend a lot on some items, the next year not.

Maybe you deferred some items and brought it back.

So we have had the last two years that we've invested a lot of uh capital equipment in, bought some boggies and we've got some things on order, and we've made that commitment as a commission to be able to do that, but I think that is um a little more fluid than just the general operating that we've been going through for a long time.

So general operating has really been studying, it's not increased, there's no surprises here, um, and we've communicated that.

In fact, I know that the county is having some budget issues, and uh we're willing to look for solutions because we are committed to this community, and we want to make sure that we're providing great services, not only to the city but our community as well.

So looking at the difference of the general fund and the capital, uh, my recommendation would be to um go ahead and keep and if we go back a slide, Zach right here.

If the county can come up with their portion of operating, which is $968,370, then we as a commission went ahead and approved to expend the full amount, the $1.2 million on the capital items.

That's coming from our bond financing that we're currently have right now that we can use to buy that.

Our EMS agreement says that any capital items that the city purchases stays with the city at 100%.

So we've already proved 100% of the expenditures on that.

When we uh worked on the budget, we brought in the revenues of the county portion, but we did not build in the uh revenues for the capital expenses on that.

My recommendation going into the EMS committee next week is to work with the county and say if you can come up with your 968,000, uh, then that will uh, and then the city will pay for the rest of the capital that we've already approved.

And I presented that to the judge to see if that was an option, and I think the judge is willing to work on in that direction.

So if the commission um approves to move in that direction, then that'll be a focus of discussion in our eight mess meeting coming up next week.

Any questions so far?

Okay.

Now, um a couple more slides, please.

So there was some um a letter going around on social media, and I did call uh Magister Craycraft.

I said that there were some questions that came up with that, and we wanted to answer some of the questions in this letter.

Um, if you saw that, and uh Master Craigcraft uh did have a commitment tonight, so he wasn't able to come.

Um, but I do want to go ahead and say pointing out some things.

Um, this letter said the accusations that members of the court support a move, and we're talking about privatizing EMS is erroneous and appeared to be politically motivated.

These statements do not reflect the facts and only serve to undermine public trust in our governing process.

I'll tell you exactly where that came from.

At the July 8th, 25 joint EMS committee meeting on the agenda.

The mayor, uh Mayor Reed asks Magistrate Pasley and Davis and Judge 8's, quote, if they are really seriously considering privatizing the EMS services of the county.

If you are, we will continue this discussion.

And if you are not serious about doing this, then we will take it off our list.

But is the county seriously considering privatizing EMS?

End quote.

Magistrate Davis responds with quote, I think it's fair to hear a proposal from a business that's already operating here, end quote.

And Magistrate Pasley also responds with quote, we got to hear it, end quote.

We need to hear it just because the kind of money that we're talking about.

So they are talking about it.

It was not uh politically motivated.

They actually said that they want to hear it and think about it.

Next slide.

Um letter also said in August of 24, reviewed by the state auditor revealed that the city of Winchester had miscalculated its 911 building under the terms of the interlocal agreement, resulting in 160,000 overpayment by the county.

This discovery raised significant concerns about the accuracy and transparency of financial practices time to shared public safeties and service.

Well, first of all, the auditor is not involved in this at all.

We need to clear the record.

State auditor has not been looking at any of this.

In fact, a review of the city budget came from Alicia, our finance director, and she found the error on our uh side, and we notified the county of 134,928.93 cents.

And this was related to 911.

It was not related to the EMS billing at all.

Uh, this error was corrected, and the city provided a check on uh April 30.

So we fixed it, we found it.

We were the ones that found it.

State auditors are not involved in this process at all.

All right, next slide.

One month later, in September of 2024, the county received an unbudgeted bill exceeding $500,000 for services related to interlocal EMS agreement.

This came without sufficient explanation or prior coordination, creating a serious unexpected strain on the county finances.

In addition, EMS spending has grown at an unsustainable rate, 57% increase in just three years.

Well, that was the previous slide I said that really um operating has only increased from last year, this year, two percent.

Now capital can it can fluctuate a little bit, but that fluctuates every year depending on the needs, what you buy, and you don't need it next year.

But Alicia does a great job of sending out a detailed explanation.

No charges are unexpected.

Nothing is uh without documentation.

So we're not sure exactly what they're talking about here.

In October, the city invoiced the county 451,000, but this really doesn't exceed uh the 500,000 that was mentioned in September.

And I think there's one more slide.

Then in June of 25, the county was presented with another request for 500,000 in conjunction with a sharply increased DMS budget.

These repeated demands, especially when they arrive outside of the budget process and without detailed justification, prompt a simple critical question from the county and its taxpayer while in May of 2025 at a meeting of the fiscal court.

Uh I myself went to the podium and presented the fiscal year 2526 EMS budget to the fiscal court.

This was while they were doing their budget process.

It was before it was approved, and I presented the document that I showed on the screen that had the breakdown of the general operating and the capital.

There was an opportunity for discussion at that, and I was willing to answer any questions, and there was no questions at that.

Um on April the 16th, the city invoiced the county 292,698.

I'm not sure exactly what we're talking about at H here.

So we just wanted to clear those up, answer those questions, um, make sure that we set the record straight on that.

Any questions?

And I do want to point out, you know, again, that the city's percentage of EMS is 61%, the counties is 39%.

Every run made in this community is a county run.

I live in the city, but also live in the county.

I pay city taxes, I pay county taxes, as does everyone sitting up here.

So I just want to be sure that's understood.

And we wanted to present this tonight because I think this commission is really tired of inaccurate statements, and we want to work to clarify those and correct the inaccuracies when we can.

Anything else?

Any questions?

Should someone from the county be here to see this tonight.

I did reach out to Master Craycraft, and he was not available to come tonight.

And I talked to the judge.

And I told him in my office walled up.

I'll told I told Magic Magistrate Craycraft that I'd follow back up with.

Are you wanting us to present this at the next EMS committee meeting?

Um, Commissioner Chenault.

Well, I think somebody from the county should be here.

Somebody should.

I don't disagree.

Where they can verify what's going on and they can respond to what we're talking about.

And Commissioner Chenal, you know, it's listed just like you're saying, it's listed on our agenda.

Everybody gets posted copies of this.

So that we were going to discuss the EMS tonight.

And we were just basically reflecting or reacting to Steve Craycraft's uh comment where he put Magistrat Pasley's comment on face on Facebook.

And we just want to clarify the inaccuracies because there are quite a few in there.

So anything else?

No answer.

Okay, thank you very much.

Okay, we'll move on.

Um to new business continued B downtown development investment fund eligibility area modification.

Uh, Whitney Leggett, I'm going to ask Whitney to come to the podium, uh, who is our strategic communications and downtown development director to address this issue.

Whitney.

Good evening.

Um, so this uh question arose uh recently from a prospective business owner downtown.

Um they discussed having had discussions about modifying the TIF map prior to um being hired.

And so I uh agreed to vote further into that for this and in doing so, discovered that the original order um, in my understanding, Brad, is if the TIP district should have been included.

Um, we ran this through the city manager and the city attorney.

Um, and then uh ultimately took this to the DDIF board who agreed that they would like to see the map modified to not only include the historic overlay district, but um additionally the TIFF district.

Um currently, um obviously the question would be where would that funding come from?

Um the committee acknowledged that there would be uh necessity for additional fundraising.

Um recently we secured $30,000 from the Beer Chiefs Festival Committee that will go directly into the TDIF fund um to help with current grants and future grants.

Um and we are I'm currently working with um Alicia Martin on a grant application through the Clark County Community Foundation to further supplement that account.

Um and the committee has already been brainstorming other ways that they could support uh the fund financially as well.

So um after the committee's recommendation, we wanted to bring that to you guys and get um your consideration on that.

Okay, any comments, questions?

Um the map from 2017, the blue map.

It I guess that's the earliest one.

It looks like, and this is probably before it was built.

The property next to station one is included, and it's still included.

Um that's the bank, right?

Yeah, so there are absolutely some properties that would not qualify for DDIF grants within the map.

Um, obviously, like a bank would not qualify sure a grant on that matter.

And the um the committee would take that on a case-by-case which I just want to point that out.

But that property has historical significance with the old um, I think it was the American Legion that was there.

So that's why it was included.

Understood.

Okay.

Thank you.

And so the the maps that you guys are seeing, the blue is the TIFF district, the green is the historic overlay district.

That's what we've currently been operating off of is just the green map.

Um, I worked with Stephen at CJS and he combined the two maps with just the purple map that you guys are seeing there.

Um, I think this uh opens up the opportunity as I stated in my um submission for more businesses and property owners to benefit from the matching grants that the city is offering.

Um, as you see that already um since the grant program was established, the city um and its fund um assistance from that Clark Nate Community Foundation um has awarded almost 200,000 in DDIF grants, and I think that the businesses um are eager for these grants when they're starting new businesses and the property owners benefit from the lot.

So that's amazing.

That's good.

Any questions?

Comments.

Do we need to take any sort of action?

Yes, ma'am.

Um I think a motion um and approval of this is necessary.

State joy we can take a motion, even though it's just under new business, correct?

Yes.

Um is there a motion?

Motion by Commissioner Strode.

Is there a second?

Second, second by Commissioner Toole.

Any further discussion?

All in favor, aye.

Any opposed by like son, motion carries.

Thank you.

Very much.

Okay, item three resolution, madam clerk.

The resolution of the city of Winchester, Kentucky authorizing the comp completion and filing of a government resources accelerating needed transformation grant program of 2024 project application for up to 827,436 in grant program funds with the cabinet for economic development.

Is there a motion to approve this resolution?

Motion.

Motion by Commissioner Chenal.

Is there a second?

Second, second by Commissioner Toole.

Any discussion?

All in favor, I any opposed by like sign.

Motion carries.

And I do want to say um our grant writer Alicia Martin is working diligently every day on trying to bring more grants to this city daily.

She's doing it.

So I'm I think we did the right thing bringing a grant writer in.

Item four ordinances, first reading A and B.

Madam Clerk.

This is a summary, a joint ordinance of the city of Winchester, Kentucky, and the County of Clark, Kentucky, amending Article 6.12, downtown business B2 of the Winchester Clark County Zoning Ordinance establishing text regulating first floor residential dwellings within the B2 zoning district.

Is there a motion?

Motion by Commissioner Cox.

Is there a second by Commissioner Strode?

Any discussion?

All in favor, aye.

Aye.

Any opposed by likeson?

Motion carries.

Item 4B.

This is a summary, a joint ordinance of the city of Winchester, Kentucky and the County of Clark, Kentucky, amending article 8.6 development plans of the Winchester Clark County Zoning Ordinance in adherence with chapter 100 dot 275 of Kentucky revised statutes.

Is there a motion?

Move.

Motion by Commissioner Chanel.

Is there a second?

Second.

Second by Commissioner Cox.

Any discussion?

All in favor, aye.

Any opposed by likesign?

Motion carries.

Madam Clerk.

Five orders general.

And those are A through I.

And you will see we do have an amended agenda on item I.

Madam Clerk.

An order accepting the resignation of Elizabeth Morton from the Winchester Clark County Planning Commission.

Is there a motion?

Motion by Commissioner Strode.

Is there a second?

Second.

Second by Commissioner Toole.

Any discussion?

All in favor, aye.

Aye.

Any opposed by Lake Sun?

Motion carries.

Item B.

An order appointing Preston Albright to the Winchester Clark County Board of Adjustments for a four-year term.

And this will be his first term.

Yes.

Is there a motion?

Motion by Commissioner Strode.

Is there a second?

Perdon.

Second by Commissioner Chenault.

Any discussion?

All in favor, aye.

Aye.

Any opposed by Lake Sun?

Motion carries.

Item C.

An order appointing Gary Taylor the third to fill the unexpired term of Elizabeth Morton on the Winchester Clark County Planning Commission.

And this is a replacement for her resident from her resignation.

Yes, ma'am.

Is there a motion?

Removed.

Motion by Commissioner Cox.

Is there a second?

Second by Commissioner Chenault.

Any discussion?

All in favor, aye.

Aye.

Any opposed by Lake Sun?

Motion carries.

Item D.

An order approving an agreement with Summers McCreary and Sparks PSC for auditing services.

Okay.

Is there a motion?

Go on, guys.

When any offer move.

Uh Commissioner Chenault.

Is there a second?

Okay.

Second by Commissioner Strode.

Any discussion?

All in favor, aye.

Aye.

Any opposed by likes son?

Motion carries.

On item E.

I will have to ask uh Commissioner Cox and Commissioner Chennault to excuse themselves.

Recuse, please, and state your reason.

Uh I'm I will be leaving because I am a member of the habitat board and we are we will be the ones building the six houses on uh Lincoln Street.

I don't even call my wife on top of it.

So I'm on Lady Fire.

We'll get your like back, guys.

Okay, Madam Clerk, item E.

An order awarding a bid for asbestos inspection on properties in the Lincoln Street C D BG redevelopment project phase two.

Is there a motion?

So move motion by Commissioner Toole.

Is there a second?

Second.

Commissioner Strode.

All in favor, aye.

Aye.

Any opposed by like sign?

Motion carries.

Chief, do you mind to bring them back?

I don't think Joe's have time for his LA, but gotta be faster.

Well, those little miniature candy bars that isn't enough to really satisfy.

Okay.

Item F.

An order approving funding from the downtown development investment fund for an upper story residential grant at 24 North Main Street.

Is there a motion?

Motion by Commissioner Strode.

Is there a second?

Second by Commissioner Chenault.

Any discussion?

All in favor, aye.

Aye.

Any opposed by Lake Sun?

Motion carries.

Item G.

An order approving funding from the downtown development investment fund for a new business stipend grant and a Kickstarter grant for business located at five Cleveland Avenue suite 202.

Is there a motion?

Motion by Commissioner Strode.

Is there a second?

Second.

Second by Commissioner Toole.

Any discussion?

All in favor, aye.

Any opposed by Lake Sun?

Motion carries.

Item H.

An order approving a land and water conservation fund state assistance program separate deed restriction for the Eugene Gay splash park.

Is there a motion?

So moved.

Motion by Commissioner Chenault.

Is there a second?

Second.

Second by Commissioner Toole.

Any discussion?

And we will be opening the splash park in about two weeks.

All in favor, aye.

Aye.

Any opposed by likeson?

Motion carries.

Item I has been added to the agenda because we uh closing out the Jackson Street Bridge removal.

And we had a very nice ribbon cutting and event there yesterday, and the neighbors are ecstatic.

So now sorry.

An order accepting the Jackson Street Bridge removal and water line relocation and making a final adjusting change in the amount of 46,033.95 cents.

And this is a city change order number one.

Is there a motion?

So moved.

Motion by Commissioner Toole.

Is there a second?

Second by Commissioner Chenault.

Any discussion?

All in favor, aye.

Any opposed by likes on?

Motion carries.

Item six personnel orders six A through G.

Item A.

An order amending the position descriptions of police and communications.

Is there a motion?

So move.

Motion by Commissioner Toole.

Second by Commissioner Cox.

Any discussion?

All in favor, aye.

Aye.

Any opposed by like sign?

Motion carries.

Item B.

In order reclassifying Sarah Miller communications.

Is there a motion?

So move.

Motion by Commissioner Toole.

Is there a second?

Second by Commissioner Chenault.

Any discussion?

All in favor, aye.

Any opposed by like sign?

Motion carries.

Item C.

In order reclassifying Montana mural communications.

Is there a motion?

So moved.

Motion by Commissioner Toole.

Is there a second?

Second by Commissioner Shanault.

Any discussion?

All in favor, aye.

Aye.

Any opposed by like sign?

Motion carries.

Item D.

And order accepting the resignation of Steve Hamilton Crossing Guard.

Is there a motion?

So moved.

Motion by Commissioner Toole.

Is there a second?

Second by Commissioner Strode.

Any discussion?

All in favor, aye.

Aye.

Any opposed by like sign?

Motion carries.

Chief.

Are we okay on crossing guards for school getting ready to start?

These next two coming up.

Yeah.

Okay.

Will that take care?

Yeah, we'll probably still get a couple offerings if they come along, but they'll live here.

Okay, great.

Okay.

Item E.

An order employing Andrew Miller to fill the position of part-time single roll emt.

Is there a motion?

Motion motion by Commissioner Shenaud, second by Commissioner Cox.

Any discussion?

All in favor, aye.

Aye.

Any opposed by like sign?

Motion carries.

Item F.

An order employing Palmer Warner and Clayton Warner to fill the position of crossing guard.

Is there a motion?

So move motion by Commissioner Toole.

Is there a second?

Second by Commissioner Strode.

Any discussion?

Got a question.

It has a pay rate here of $20 an hour.

Don't we pay them by the day?

Spot.

By the hour.

Okay.

For every it was by the day.

Yes.

Yeah.

Okay.

Just answer your question.

Yes.

Okay.

All in favor, aye.

Aye.

Any opposed by like sign?

Motion carries.

Item G.

An order employing Stephen Day to fill the position of HR directory.

Is there a motion?

Motion by Commissioner Cox.

Is there a second?

Second by Commissioner Chenault.

Any discussion?

We shouldn't have put him at the end.

He's second here.

We should.

All in favor, aye.

Any opposed by like sign?

Motion carries.

And Mr.

Day.

Would you stand here?

Yeah, he's gonna have to say.

And he I believe you're taking uh over on August 11th on Monday.

Yes.

My board, we're glad to have you.

Monday's five and ten.

Okay.

That's the first roll button.

Right.

Yeah.

But no, I don't I don't think you can do that yet.

No, no, mis intention.

You can't do that.

Yeah, it doesn't have to be all right.

Let's go to item.

Item seven.

Comments from the general public.

And let me see what we have on the list.

Uh Chad Walker.

Come forward, please, sir.

Even good evening.

Well, I guess the simplest place to start with this is uh we're here because we're being refused to meet with.

Well, that's inaccurate to start with, but go ahead.

100% accurate.

It is not accurate.

Okay, all right.

What date do we have set for our meeting then?

Uh Whitney, what day?

We're downtown group.

I've been trying to meet.

What's that date?

Right.

I don't know.

I've asked when that date is.

When is your next meeting?

We don't have one.

I didn't say with me.

I said, do you when is your next downtown meeting?

Uh we just had one problem on Monday.

How can we come if we don't know when it is?

And don't at me like that.

Yes, ma'am.

I can grant out.

This is a private group.

This government has no jurisdiction over what we do privately.

Well, nobody says we do.

Okay, then why do you want to be invited?

Well, it has been at every meeting except for the very last one.

I'm being told that we need to come to a meeting.

John Paul's told me that.

Different ones have told me.

So here's the point.

We I think correct me if I'm wrong, because I could be wrong.

That we said when Mr.

Dykman is in town, we will sit down with whomever in that office in there and talk, but we will not meet without our attorney present.

Okay, Mr.

Dykman, are you in the ceiling?

I am okay.

Is that correct?

That's correct.

Okay, go ahead.

Because I think there's been question about some legal issues.

So yeah, that's correct.

I believe so.

We've not mentioned anything legal within our evidence.

All we're asking for, and you have had this conversation in your office.

What do you what do you want?

What do you want?

The same thing we've always wanted.

What do you want?

I'm explained to you.

Have to let me finish before you hop in there.

Okay.

Typically, I'm telling you.

Now let me finish.

What we want to calm down a little bit, Chad.

What we want.

Is that how all of you feel back there?

That the city's done a terrible job.

I don't think decision.

No, I'm just asking.

You didn't say that.

You're putting words in our mouth again.

All right, Chad, you go ahead.

Say whatever you want to say.

And we won't still make any comment until you finish.

Well, we've asked for for years.

I was on Main Street Winchester, I was on Winchester Fur.

I was on Women who Transfer Oak.

We have been trying to get together and say, you guys are doing marketing for our downtown.

You don't consult us in any capacity.

There's holes in this whole high side thing.

We came in good faith and met with you, John Paul and Amanda Moore or Amanda Adams.

And we haven't had any response.

And so what I'm saying is, what does it take for a group of individuals that have all rallied together?

This is after Main Street went away.

And after Winchester first one.

We've done this on our own to get together and have a conversation with this government on how we can progress.

That's what we want ultimately.

And I can go through the list of things, and I can go through all grievances and things like that.

But nobody will talk to us.

Nobody will have a conversation as a group to say, here's the agenda.

And the only reason we met last night was because we threatened to call the news because you guys would not say this.

And when you did, that was back um April 28th.

It's been dead silent until Whitney sent an email today saying we'll meet with you, Chad.

But Mayor Reed will be there, city manager will be there, the attorney will be there.

I mean, it was a list of people and me.

And that's I don't plan to be there.

Sorry.

I said I don't plan to be there because city manager will meet with you and Whitney.

Okay.

And if you want me there, I'll be there.

We've asked for that.

And that's what we're still asking ultimately is how can we sit down and iron out some of these issues that we're having?

And are you going to tell us what the issues are?

I can.

I would like for you to tell us what the issues are.

We can all take some notes.

Right.

So I may get my notepad.

Wait, one's here.

Okay.

There's been multiple conversations about uh TIF funds.

Uh I know that me personally, as when we were operating an engine house, we received a one-time um disruption of a thousand ops for one day because they closed the street, and that was only the business or only the uh restaurants.

There were multiple other people.

And I believe that was done when Mr.

Flynn was here as city manager.

Correct.

Okay.

And yet we're told over and over that we've got DDIF money in place, which I've already brought once before here, that that amount, that amount ends up being 12.50 cents a day for a business that's open for five days a week.

That's massively massively inaccurate in efficient.

And we should be able to, and we're also told this is something somebody brought up here earlier.

How is it that we're told that we can utilize the entirety of beer cheese festival funds when it just got put into DDIF fund?

And I cannot answer that.

The entirety of the findings is not for this year, 25,000.

But there's more than that in the end that you can file.

Right.

And the beer cheese committee helps uh direct where those funds go to.

It's city funds.

But the beer cheese committee so they got final say then so that whatever they decide.

They have input.

No, I didn't ask that.

Do they have final say?

I think you know they have input now.

I don't know about final say.

Okay, but they have city money.

Okay, not sure.

And this is something, so we're talking to you.

This was something that our group came up with.

How many years ago did we get off Main Street?

And the Main Street logo is still being utilized by Kentucky Main Street program and our group.

That was one of the items we came up with was let's go ahead and peel that off the logo.

And I did what I'm supposed to do.

I do my buffer and I go through Whitney, and we're told you don't want to do it.

You wouldn't draft the letter saying, Let's go ahead and peel this off.

We're not part of that program anymore.

Why would we possibly, as our down tent won't be affiliated with that?

Well, that that's the state program, and they have to make a decision to.

And I was told, and I delayed this as well.

All we need is a draft letter saying, hey guys, we're not part of this program.

We haven't been part of it for a while.

Let's peel that off.

And you said no.

I think it's fine the way it is, in my opinion.

So I guess that'll be a question.

I think it's really promoting Winchester.

I mean, even though you're not a part of the program, you recognize Winchester in there, and that's great for us.

What do you all think?

What are you talking about, Chad peeling it off of what?

As hey, as part of our group.

This is just me.

Yeah, it was a conversation.

I know I'm not understanding.

That Main Street program is the overarching program for what used to be Main Street Winchester.

Okay.

We haven't been part of that program for years.

Correct.

And again, we track down.

How can we get off this?

We don't want to be affiliated with it.

We didn't want to be affiliated with it when you guys voted to continue on.

Then a year later, you peeled off Winchester first.

Now it's gone away all together.

At the time, we sent a letter to say, hey, we're not part of this program.

It definitely depicts in the logo.

Send a letter to the state.

Okay.

And they said no, it's going to take somebody locally.

I'm not aware of that, to be honest with you.

So but it's going to take a local official to say we're out.

You know, you guys are out of the program.

And so now we're still part of that logo that is promoting for Kentucky Main Street program.

And we're not our program.

They're still using a picture of our downtown in their main logo, which I think is fine.

I mean, and like I said, when I see it, I'm like, oh, I'm glad Winchester's on that logo.

It looks nice.

I hate to do this, but I have to agree with Chad.

If we're not part of it, we shouldn't be on there.

There's lots of places that we could put our pictures of our downtown.

They probably you guys at least would be offended by.

And um that one offends me because we don't need part of if you all direct you know that you want that removed from that, I'm fine with that.

We we made the decision.

I'm Chad and I were on there together.

We made a decision to give up Main Street.

We definitely did the Main Street program.

Well, if you doesn't want to be on the logo, let's just vote.

Well, that's what I mean.

I mean I agree.

Is it on their main logo?

Is the part so Main Street, Kentucky is a picture of Main Street.

Well, it's a collage of a lot of different things.

I couldn't remember if it had, I thought it had another ones on the street.

So what does it require?

No, it's just it's just require a letter to the main street program in Frankfurt just to say we are no longer part of Main Street.

Please remove this photo.

Very definite.

Okay, let's take a second and let's take a motion on this.

We want to remove it from the main street logo and notify Frankfurt that we're not in any part of that.

Yes, I will make that one.

And motion by Commissioner Strode is there a second.

Second by Commissioner Toole.

Any discussion?

All in favor, aye, aye.

All opposed by light sign, motion carries, that will be done.

I guess there's so many questions about downtown.

There's marketing going on for downtown, and we're not uh brought into that conversation in any capacity.

There is um, like I said, the TIFF thing has been going on forever.

It's a collaboration where we're basically putting it's a savings account, essentially for well, what it is now for the city, but we're putting in monies into properties that are um the increment is put into account for utilization.

Why wouldn't we be brought into how much that amount is, what's it being utilized for, things like that.

This is all just a once or twice a year conversation.

And said you and I had that conversation in your office that time about why don't we do that every Christmas?

We did, and it never has happened.

And I think that more than anything that this group wants from my government, I want fiscal responsibility, I want transparency and all fairness.

And I'm not feeling that right now.

And this is the reason this group shows up tonight, is because we've been petitioning, we've been asking, we've been begging, we're in the dark on so many things.

I'm gonna have a conversation with us.

We'll be your biggest champion if the information is relaxed.

So right now, we had no idea what's going on, and you've got businesses closing left and right, you've got buildings for sale more than this time last year.

I'm having to fund the majority of it myself of going in and doing these infrastructure projects.

Like I paid for a Main Street website, okay, that's gone.

Now we're paying for a downtown website.

We are privatizing what used to be Main Street Winchester slash Winchester First, and we need you guys to listen to us, and that is the biggest um in continuing how downtown works in the biggest project and the biggest detriment that this downtown has ever seen.

idea what's going on and you've got businesses closing left and right you've got buildings for sale more than this time last year I'm having to fund the majority of it myself of going in and doing these infrastructure projects like I paid for a main street website hey that's gone now we're paying for a downtown website we are privatizing what used to be main street winchester slash Winchester first and we need you guys to listen to us and that is the biggest um in continuing how downtown works in the biggest project and the biggest detriment that this downtown has ever seen and to come out the other side it's going to take a little bit of collaboration on your all spark I want you to hear from the chat Whitney has been to every meeting correct yes with you all okay I'd like to hear from the other people that are here absolutely supposed to say well thanks thank you I've got to forgive your mayor well we've got some people still need to speak okay you want to say it now yeah it is what's our work session agenda for two weeks from now what do you have anybody lined up I don't have anything how about two weeks from to now at 4 30 got two weeks notice for everybody and anybody you want to tell that the work session we do is on Main Street I'm fine with that Jack you see the rest of the game close James Laura 30 is good JP let's do it Amanda James we'll never if you need me to amend that I'll go over and run the store listen by phone okay she'll be going out of business she won't go out if you run the store she will okay what are we going to do have a work session session yes uh and what's it invite the businesses in yes it's basically the downtown do we have a name for the group downtown downtown business association like a DBA basically with the day uh with the debt we'll meet 4 30 we'll have three minutes of agendas and things and minutes for this baby good stuff and then we'll have a full hour that is just down a downtown business and I would and and you guys anything you want to send us to prepare us beforehand anything you want to bring with you you bring one and we'll make the copies here and if you wouldn't mind this is an additional suggestion you don't have to do but what would be nice is go ahead and you've got the files on it on new to contact and stuff send out a letter to everybody now we've already gotten two letters uh from code enforcement related days the entire downtown uh I don't think it would be that difficult to alter that to you know guys would have this on this day we can do that can't we we could Eric I would say to everybody that has a business license and everybody that's a property owner a downtown business license right a downtown business license and downtown property owners and please inundate us with this information beforehand so we don't have to digest all of this at one time do you want to say if they can contribute items to the packet to get them to joy by the Thursday before yes that's Thursday before it our next meeting is what's the date the date ought to be the 18th 19th subject are you needed by when Thursday the 14th at which is a is next Thursday that give everybody enough time nine days bar James JP Adam set back our sleep would somebody wake him up okay commission are you all comfortable with doing this want to do this I have no problem it's a good idea but I can't well say for developing for now sorry um not yet okay only because I'm you're not on the list oh um okay we good with that everybody got the date the time location okay and we'll just put our tables back like we had for our strategic planning and sit around and and discuss uh James Bowman easy attention a little bit is it um really I just wanted to come up here and discuss about my experience uh with the high side project so far I figured you guys would know that this is coming seeing how it's on our side now um but the biggest issue that I had with it was the very first day that they started busting up our side uh I didn't even find out about it until 10 a.m that morning when I got a text saying that they started on it I was great it's awesome you know I didn't know about this at all and uh you know I couldn't really change the fact that that happened um but the biggest issue was that day and then the next day we got so many phone calls about like hey are you guys still open like we can't get to your door blah blah blah even though they could uh they just saw

But the biggest issue that I had with it was the very first day that they started busting up our side.

Great, this is awesome.

I didn't know about this at all.

And uh, you know, I couldn't really change the fact that that happened.

Um, but the biggest issue was that day, and then the next day we got so many phone calls about like, hey, are you guys still open?

Like, we can't get to your door, blah, blah, blah.

Even though they could, uh, they just saw all the construction and stuff like that.

They didn't know it better.

So that was a really big issue uh because I think there's a misunderstanding about the value that some downtown businesses bring.

Um, I feel like, you know, just because there's multiple downtown businesses down here, uh, you can kind of get like a figure in your head of like, hey, that business does X amount of dollars a year or whatever, you know, like you can kind of gauge the scale of their business based on the look.

Um, I will say that those two days alone on average, we lost $1,500.

And we were still open.

It was literally the first day in three years that we made you know less than $100 in sales.

And uh when this project first began, and I you know, was speaking with Whitney about the DDIF grants and stuff like that, and she told me that it was going to be 250 every three months.

I was like, okay, like I can see the value that at least the committee sees that we bring to the table.

And uh, you know, the $1,500 that really hurt uh a lot.

And then not only that, whenever they poured the concrete, I did work with Jesse McCoy on that, and I will give him kudos.

He definitely helped us out because it seemed like they were kind of taking their time a little bit and they were pushing it into the weekend, and we had two really big events happening on Friday and Saturday.

And uh, those are gonna be like huge money makers for us.

And thankfully he got them to do it on Wednesday, and we at least had a section for it for people to still come out.

That was awesome.

Um, but you know, when the first when the project first began, I did a little bit of my research and uh I did an open records request for the contracts, the RFP, the proposal to all my arts for this project.

And I did that because I don't know if you guys knew this or not, but uh I actually used to be a project manager and a facilities planner for the federal government.

So um I was you know wanting to look at the details of everything.

Uh in looking into the details, you know, I did notice that the city had a lot of 1.1 million dollars to the fund uh for this project to go on.

And I know that the city only had to put up $697,000.

Now I know that there's $412,000 in what's considered other funds right now.

Um I heard that a couple of weeks ago.

And uh had a meeting with uh Bruce, the city manager pretty much the day afterwards, and I'm I'm super glad that he like accepted a meeting that quickly.

Uh I appreciate that a lot because there was a lot going on, and I was like, I need some answers.

So uh when I brought this up to him, I basically wanted to bring it up to you guys um because obviously hearing that we lost $1,500 just in the two days, you know, we did lose more because we actually had to close uh when they were pouring concrete in front of our door and stuff like that.

But my biggest question is I know we can't touch those funds until the project is complete because we could go over budget, stuff like that.

Um I guess I want to know if the city council had any sort of planet or possible you know restitution to the business owners that have been affected by this with that money because 250 every three months ain't gonna cut it.

Um, you know, that doesn't even pay for the netfall.

Right.

And that that's the way I took it.

And I I know that they meant well by it because the budget that they have.

Um, and that's why I really looked into the budget for this project because I wanted to know if there was any additional funding that could be provided to us because you know, two businesses have already gone out of business, one have already changed ownership because of the financial strain.

And you know, this project, yes, it needed to be done.

Um, when looking at the proposal, it's not being done the way it should be.

And uh that was my biggest concern from a project manager standpoint is because you know, we're the customer in this case, we dictate how the project goes, and the plans are set in place for a reason.

Um, and the the plans, if they were going to plan would have created the least economic impact for the downtown businesses because they were gonna do it in sections.

And the minute I saw them bust up the entire high side, I was like, okay, something's not going right.

Yeah.

And you know, when I was speaking to Bruce about that as well, um, there needed to be somebody from the city side telling them Palmer Engineering and the Allen Company, hey, you need to go by the proposal because that is what was approved.

So I know that Palmer Engineering is kind of like steering the whole thing, but at the end of the day we're the customer and those plans are set in place for a reason.

I understand the plan change, but if plans change, then there needs to be communication had with all the business owners and everything.

Um it even says in the RFP as well that the businesses are supposed to have access to the front of their businesses throughout the whole project.

And obviously, we've seen that's not the case.

And with from a federal standpoint, you know, there's a lot of regular regulations and stuff like that, and they need to be followed, and that's why the proposals are set in place, and that's why they're approved.

So when something doesn't go to plan, it's like, hey, it's a make it or breaking thing.

You either fix it or we cut the contract.

And I haven't seen that from the city perspective, and that's why I was kind of concerned about the issues from a legal perspective because they're not following the proposal.

So I say all that just to express some of my concerns.

Um, but I'm really my main question is the 412,000 that's left over at the end of the contract, you know, the end of the end of the project, once it's completed, that money's now available.

Is there any sort of plan to give any the the business owners any sort of restitution for the loss that they've had this year?

Will that money be the cities?

No, it's not.

I think that that 1.1 million that we find we uh that is our portion of the grant was financed.

So it's not city money, so it's you know, not available um of afterwards to go toward the project.

Of course, we're still waiting on the project because that might not end up having that amount done after the project either.

So it's still flexible right now, but we finance that amount.

So when we pull it down, it's just that we only have access to what we need for the project, and then we just don't borrow the rest.

It's like a line of credit.

It's like paying the paying the bill as it comes.

I understand.

And James, I'll tell you, we did not know my understanding, and I think everybody up here's understanding was they were going to do all the high side, complete that, and then move to the low side.

Right.

And I came in one morning to the office and came around the corner, and there wasn't a sidewalk, it was gone.

That's how I found out the sidewalk and biggest issue off black communication and put Jesse on this full-time, you know, and full-time employee just been this every day.

He stays all day up and down to try to keep people informed, and nobody's trying to hide anything.

We're not trying to not be transparent.

You know, my parents taught me better than that.

You don't do those things.

Yeah, you know, and I didn't think that I was going on well, and the proposal was that they were supposed to do sections at a time that's and they they did.

I think they need to uh be assessed a significant fine percent.

That's what we would in the in the high six figures for not following the contract and off but because we are gonna have to come back there and fix some of their uh non-handicapped compliant uh parts.

I don't know what's gonna be non-handicapped compliant.

The part in front of Amanda's building down there, all the way to the end of the street, it is not the slope that is allowed by the ADA.

That slope is one inch of drop for every foot, and that that uh the angle of that if not cock confistric from that.

I was up, I was told by Perf from the Allen company, but we're allowed to go by the slope of the street, but if you read the Americans with disabilities act, it does not say that.

I think all of our engineers and architects and even the state has approved this, and it meets all the well, somebody will file an ADA complaint immediately after it's done.

What's that?

They approved the proposal, correct?

Right.

And I don't think any of that's changed out of the proposal.

Well, it's hard to say whenever they're just kind of doing whatever they want, though.

Put that on the list for the next project that they will tell them let's find out.

Yeah.

Well, seeing how the 412,000 is honorable.

Um is the city willing to provide any sort of restitution on their we have not discussed that at this point.

Right, right.

Because we don't know, we don't know what we have left.

I understand that.

I'm just trying to look for it.

I understand, understand could you know, downtown businesses, it's not like we're making money hand over fist, and a lot of times it's just kind of like, you know, day to day, like, are we going to make it or not?

And a lot of times it's just kind of like, you know, day to day, like, are we going to make it or not?

So and I own intentionally, and I think some others have made it my intention to go up and down main.

I've spent a lot of money on the high side for Christmas presents.

I'm through my Christmas shopping because I did most of it on the high side.

Right.

And you know, we're all trying to, we're in this, you know, we just gotta keep going and get it done.

But I'm sorry if any inconvenience for anybody, I can I'll apologize for the Allen Company.

I'll apologize for the Palmer, whomever.

But you know, you can't put a new sidewalks if you don't take the old ones out first.

And that, you know, and that's kind of been, you know, my thinking, how can we do it?

How can we do it without taking it out?

And we can't.

I mean, that's not that's just common sense, and you know that.

Yes.

So okay.

I just know the better communication, you know.

We could have planned around it to where they posted some of our events at one another shop or something like that.

And to be honest, James, you know, we hire the contractors and we trust them to do what we hired them to do.

Don't do that.

And yeah, but but you know, you know what I'm saying.

Yeah, we think if they say they're gonna do A, we expect them to do A.

Right.

Yeah, they definitely need to be micromanaged a little bit.

And that's why Jesse's been on the on scene most of the time.

And he communicates all day long.

So James and JP and Amanda, Laura, all over you.

I would love to be able to say this is a pot of money we've got for you.

But also under no circumstances, I'm am I gonna say, okay, show me your book so I can see how much money you lost.

Um not well, I don't care.

That's none of my business.

I don't want to know that.

I do think and I don't know of another way to to equitably distribute funds.

That's exactly what you're doing.

You're right, I'm willing to.

Well, I I mean, but a lot of people aren't if they shouldn't change.

Yeah, I think you're right.

You're right, James.

Yeah, right.

And an auditor would be all over us.

Right.

Yeah, that's why I'm fully willing to do that.

Yeah.

Just a minute.

But yeah, that's all.

Okay, but I hate to say this, but you've passed your four minutes.

But thank you.

We're gonna have to and we're gonna look at ways too.

And if Kitty's got some ideas, and you know, we're we're looking at it, I promise.

Okay, Laura Freeman.

Oh, what's tough?

Oh, I didn't have I didn't hear him.

I asked him to wait just a minute, so that's it.

You know, we work with the accountant days that they were unexpectedly closed or there wasn't any position.

And I think that some sort of day just on those days where nobody knew it was gonna happen.

Um, yeah, including you.

But especially then, um, I don't think that it would be impossible.

And I know that we we all know that there are funds that could be used that we're not buying that hundreds of thousands of dollars uh to compensate the businesses when they showed up and we messed as their tractor.

Um I don't think that you can pass out a thousand dollars over business over that mainstream because they can quantify it.

Yeah, understand what you all understand.

I agree, Laura.

Hello guys, and and you all know I'm Laura Kramer, and I think you know I own two buildings and downtown also own uh health of the businesses, which are growing, and it really gonna be something.

In fact, Ben right now is in Pennsylvania, uh getting our new beef crowd in Weg.

I mean, we're we're it's gonna be serious, some serious growth.

Um but my first point, but I I think we'll probably also know personally that my husband had dementia, and so I've been kind of commission for a couple of years, and he's down top of shoulder replaced, and now I'm committed to getting involved in downtown.

Uh so um I've been part of this downtown business owners group since December, I've frequently, and uh it's been obvious that the first problem is lacking uh real communication.

I mean, not we don't need more tax, we don't need more newsletters.

We need to know.

I mean, there's you get there and people going off about the uh the TIF money, the 400k, the you know, and it that's what happens when people don't know the fact is that they make things up and they think the worst or they suspect things, and um so the only fix to it is like communicating what you just proportion for it.

And um, so the only fix to it is like communicating with what you just promotion for it.

Then we all sit down there for and then we need to be able to get meetings with whatever person in the city is it's relevant.

I mean, the finance manager, the the business manager, the mayor, whoever it is, but you know, not in some uh uh schedule thing, but when the our group feels like we need it.

Um right now, I can tell you right now that last night we were on Zoom and we talked about the TIF district and the TIFF money for probably 30 cents with very few facts, and I went and asked my AI afterwards, and it knew more than we do, which is not saying that there's anything wrong with us, it's just saying that we're operating in the dark.

I think we all want to for look, the community won't work if the downtown isn't vibrant, growing, people live in there.

We all know that.

We're all trying to do the same thing, but some way of working with this business group.

I mean, when I'm having Bruce, and you know, and we talked about spinning the business group off, and we've done it, it's spun off.

And um uh and being able to use it to answer real questions, uh, and then come up with a plan to work together, whether it's a one-year plan, five-year plan, something like that, is I think where we need to go.

And then, okay, that's in the um the other thing I want to make sure you all understand is that I've been flooded out three times with no compensation, three times, and I'm looking at roughly 100 grand in damages, and I haven't sued anybody, I'm not sure what I'm gonna do.

The Allen company denied it, WMU denied it.

Oh no, no, no.

Uh I'm getting done notices from Server Pro.

I've got mold in the in the bottom floor of the building.

You know, it's infrastructure stuff.

And um uh until the end of it, you know, you had to the high side in place infrastructure, yeah, too.

And there look, it's ski slope.

It'll never be any gig.

We all know that.

Um, but um, but some ignoration and compensation.

I mean, I'm I've got to have compensation for the damage is done through for infrastructure.

Don't blame it on WMU.

You all owned it.

Uh uh, it's just ridiculous.

I mean, I'm sure everybody's seen the video of uh it was dag off a shoulder replaced of um Alan Covey broke the pipe and uh and they put a bucket over it, took the bucket off, it sprays water into the building for like four hours.

Act of God.

Or no, it's the I mean, I'm sitting here, I can't charge the kids rent.

The kids are in earn out and they're doing great.

Uh, but I can't, as a landlord, I can't get rent.

I have to make other arrangements, handle a lot of damage.

It's guys, it's ridiculous.

No business would come down here in their right mind.

I mean, Ben was moved hamper.

I mean, he's begging to move hamper.

So gotta understand we're not, and I just told him so.

And we're having meeting that in in a couple weeks, that's good.

But we've got to do something to make the business work, which is really in ultimately we're gonna get the thing done.

We need to have a big campaign to get people down here.

We have no support for the community.

And I mean, I've sat in that store for days.

I've never seen anything for Winchester.

I mean, people coming from you know, McGomber County, Clemen County, even Flexing, but you know, the little community sport, they already have our video.

So, how I'm gonna change that mindset, I don't know.

And so Laura, did I hear you correctly?

The insurance was denied.

I know you've been working with the Allen Company's insurance on that claim.

They denied it.

And uh so um, and you know, WMU'cause hey, I don't know what you don't have to be shrine.

I'm gonna I'm gonna follow up on our next progress meeting.

What a pipe.

Well, she's have a solid pipe that goes down my yard and I hit the pipe and breaking.

It's not WMU fault for having the pipe there, it's mine for breaking.

And Amanda's been flooded out what three times two.

Okay.

Yeah.

Um but look, I mean, I'd go back to caract labs, kitty books, you know, flesh in the basement.

I mean, I'm trying to have a farm restaurant with sewer there.

I mean, then yeah, and you know, then I mean two times these times.

Where are you with the WMU insurance?

Oh, they don't they denied it.

Yeah, yeah.

And I've getting done notices now from SuraPro.

I just got one.

Uh tell them to send it to the Alco.

I mean I can tell them to send it, I've been telling you I I'll follow up and see if I can get some more information for that.

Yeah, sorry to interrupt.

Yeah, that's all but and all of this information about what your costs were, what you you were billed, what Amanda's costs were for the day she was flooded out and Perry stuff.

That all needs to be here.

We all need to know that, you know.

I didn't I didn't write now work with Perry to get advice with every letter uh but next week this way I'm working on it, and so you know, we'll have none.

Well, and then like you you mentioned communication.

Whitney does a great job with newsletter and stuff, but if somebody's gonna break up the sidewalk in front of your store, they need to let you know the day before.

Nobody wakes up at seven o'clock in the morning and says, I think I'll break up that sidewalk today.

They need to tell these people in advance.

I mean, we all knew.

Remember, I said that that we move.

We stood right in Kroger's and talked about that.

Okay, and you nobody in these conditions again walk in the little case.

We all knew that.

Uh we just gotta get done to anybody else now.

And it's gonna take years for them to come back because they're out of the habit of coming.

Right, you know, people wouldn't have come in.

Yeah, yeah, right.

I think Commissioner Woolley wants to.

I don't know if this is gonna be worse, but uh, don't we need to also reassess the corner um at the bottom of the stairwell leading up to the high side that was supposed to maybe be more of a green, like I mean, I literally mean a square, the square that butts right up to close to your window.

Was it that was supposed to be something different than poured concrete?

I was I think I'd have a little bush.

There was some drainage, yes, um issues we had to go as it was designed, but we can put some greenery in there, plants.

Well, something to help with yeah, we can whole buffer.

But we but we had to pour it the way it was designed.

Andrew has been out there, and I don't know, bam, replay the brick, and I mean, you know, it's serious money.

I need to come in.

I walk by your store.

And these are the things, Laura, that are gonna be good when we all meet in two weeks and make a list.

I mean, we uh we need to know what everybody wants to talk about.

And the one hour work session might turn into an hour and a half.

But because we can adapt the meeting of the depending on how many questions we get, we might back it up 30 minutes.

So anyway, we appreciate it, guys.

Okay, so stay flexible from four on, and we'll see.

When we uh have the meeting, uh, do we need to call Allen Company and Palmer Engineering?

That would be a good meeting.

I think the next project meeting needs to be a topic.

Well, well, I think we before we address Allen Company and Palmer's.

And say, okay, this is where the downtown people are.

Now let's go to the Allen company and say, okay, guys, this is what we're confronted with, and we're confronting you with it now.

I feel they should at least be here to hear it firsthand, and maybe they get a speaking opportunity at the end, or maybe they don't get a speaking opportunity at all.

But I think they should hear it from the horse's mouth.

And you invite a representative from Palmer and representative now.

I think you need to bring up on Thursday.

Exactly.

It's a lack of communication.

Okay, he's not on the speaking list, but I think JP wanted to say something, and I'm gonna allow that.

Can you come up here, please?

I know I know you're stretched out tensible, but um so what I had previous life, but mom was in platforms and infrastructure problem manager.

Uh this is not what I want to talk about, but all problems from us down to you.

And if you need to do a change order, they do sell them.

Good.

You got the push to say always broader than we only visually.

So it's also going to get involved in it, but that's the way the if there's not a land on work property owners building.

Yes, then that's what you gotta do is use your push for this.

And you get to say you get the last save.

And before we exchange order goes, they don't really from anybody else.

You hold that money to say away.

And we and this has been going on since January, and we have not received a change order up here to vote on from them.

Right.

Which means they are they are doing exactly what they were supposed to be doing, even though they aren't.

And once I said significant fines need to be assessed, yeah.

We'll hear it for the one big change.

Uh so we can always do that.

That's right.

Uh anyways, what I want to talk about was the downtown group.

When we disbanded Winchester First after it was Winchester.

The biggest problem I saw was not having like uh cross promotion opportunity.

So we started this group just to share Joseph's posts, you know, do it as you know that kind of thing.

Sally was around the star with the side.

It's really an easy way to employ anyone get those done.

But long story short, the other the other need we had when we lost the the downtown Winchester Wednesday, which was the first form.

Was that smaller group of people who could say concerns on from the whole community or downtown in the brain does?

So since that doesn't exist anymore, there's got to be a normal meeting of some sort.

That's true.

So where anybody does a business or the building, it's just true.

I think you'll find a lot less uh pushback or tennis situations if that's not going to be because people will know that they've got somebody's gonna listen to them.

So yeah, nothing bad, nothing like that.

Just let's just also down again on a regular basis.

Uh because we've got one chance as far as I see the openest place together.

Right.

Then we got we have to drive together, we should do it together and uh agree.

We all want the same thing, guys.

We did.

We do.

We all grew up here.

We want to see it be like it was.

Um, so yeah, it wasn't even at the same time, it was good.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Thank you for your company.

Um Bruce, help me with this.

I understand there was a question, maybe Chad can help me with this about property taxes or taxes or whatever that you all had wanted to ask at one point.

So Jada, our PVA had sat here through the entire meeting to explain what can and cannot be done.

So do you understand that we've already spoken with this brady screw and we've gotten all the answers we need.

That's why we need to bring it up tonight.

Um so no one else has any further questions after we've invited her to come tonight.

Does the commission want to hear what the options are?

Yeah, I do.

Yeah, I think.

Um by the way, I'm always happy to come invited or uninvited to any meeting.

Um, so thank you all for having me tonight.

Um, I did speak with the downtown business owners just to clear up a few things that had been overheard or had been said, whether they were heard correctly or incorrectly.

Um, the biggest thing being that any person is allowed and welcome into my office to talk about their personal property, their business property, or any property that they have in Clark County at any point in time.

I um have an open door policy and will always welcome somebody to come in and talk to me about it.

Um the assessments for this year was in quad two, which did include the downtown uh business area.

Um as of January one is when we do those those assessments.

So how the building stands, the house or other property stands as of that one one deadline is how it's assessed.

Now, this is not meant to be offensive, but when it came to this downtown high side project, it has been on the books and discussed for many years.

So I had no idea when we did these assessment values and readjusted some values, whether or not this high side project was going to take place.

Um now I'm very grateful that it has taken place, but I think we can all admit that it'd been on the on the horizon for a while.

And um there was obvious, you know, thought thought there.

So with that being said, um, the assessment stand, there was an opportunity um in May, three weeks to come in and talk to me about the assessment value.

Um, I tried to do them um very as delicately delicately as I possibly could using assessment levels even as low as $2 a square foot, doing an income-based level in some cases, but whatever was best for the building is what we did.

We did see some increases in the buildings downtown.

A lot of that had to do with the sale of the business the buildings downtown.

They have increased.

There's been a lot of work done to them.

Um, and we hope we can continue to see that.

However, starting one of 2026, any property owner, including all of these down town businesses, if they see that their assessment value is not in line with where their building currently stands as of that time, I encourage them and welcome them into my office to discuss their property value.

Um, because they're, you know, we've heard about Laura's building.

Um that building is still standing that way as of one one, and I hope it isn't.

But if it is, that would be an opportunity to talk to me about her current assessment value and potentially lowering it to make the value, the assessment value uh match the value as the building stands of that one one day.

Makes sense.

Yeah.

Um, so there's a couple different ways um that we can do that.

The next it'll be four years if I'm blessed enough to have another term um before I get back down to assess those downtown properties again.

Um, of course, they you know, they always they will rise if it's sold.

If there's a building sold, it'll go to that new price.

Um, but the biggest thing I wanted to clear up for them was that they are always welcome in my office to discuss those assessment values and how they were done.

Do you all have any questions for me?

And you cannot forgive property taxes, correct?

I personally cannot forgive property taxes because I'm not the one that actually put the property taxes on the bill.

Um, that would be something up to you all.

I have I have no knowledge of that being an illegal type of thing.

That would be something that would be more in your arena.

Um so that would on my side, I'm not the one who I just do the assessment value.

I don't actually place the taxes on the top of each.

Okay.

Any more questions for Jaden?

Sorry, didn't know that you'd met with the group.

No, that's fine.

Like I said, I I'm always happy to meet with any group of people at any point in time.

And I love a microphone, so there you go.

Uh they meet with you.

Do you feel that you need to bring that to the commission to let us know what's going on?

Um, I I'm happy to do that if they would like.

Um, that's not something that has ever standardly been done.

And I meet with lots of groups and lots of people all the time.

And so I haven't done that in the past.

And um, my office is technically a state office.

Um, so I don't there's no jurisdiction in regards to the council over my office.

But I have no problem doing that if that's what is asked.

Okay, anything for Jada?

Thank you.

Sorry you said here on this time.

Yeah, just go home and enjoy Mexican later.

Okay.

Thank you.

That's where I'm going.

And while we're speaking about the individual, yeah, just can I say one thing real quick?

Yeah.

Thank you.

Um I'm gonna ask the downtown business owners association, whatever, when you all meet to send us a little synopsis of what went on so we are aware of what you're discussing.

For transparency reasons, is that okay?

I just wanted to clarify that this wasn't just an issue on property tax.

What we had brought up when we met on uh April 28th.

Um was any help you can guys you guys can give us in any capacity.

And city manager was there, Mayor Reed was there.

It was there.

Mr.

Sherro was there amongst a whole bunch of other people.

We had the city engineer and all kinds of people.

This wasn't just a property tax, and I don't believe that we asked for any type of removal of property tax.

It was, is there anything out there?

Can we do occupational license fee reduction?

Can we do ABC reduction?

Can we do anything to do with property tax reduction?

And we were met with a resounding no, that's illegal.

And so on our own.

I think Mr.

Dykman was there too, correct?

Uh, I don't recall.

I think he was.

I'm gonna ask him as that.

Go ahead.

Yeah, this was this was after the um and it was we were informed that it's not legal to do that um on our own.

We went out and spoke with three other PDAs locally before we spoke with gradient.

Um they said, no, that's not illegal that you can always as a um property owner go in and petition to reduce it.

And in fact, there's been other PVAs that have voluntarily reduced whole districts or even businesses of PVA tax based on whatever reason I know that uh during COVID that we had a 50,000, the city allocated 50,000 for anybody who wanted to come in and apply for a thousand dollar reduction, and that was following uh when I came up and asked you guys to forgive ABC licenses.

Um he gave out 19,750, uh, so it should be 30,000 250 left.

Of course, we were going to get the entire amount, but I guess that's because we weren't open uh long before COVID.

So what we were asking in good faith was we don't know this world like you guys do.

Is there a place that you can reduce some taxes?

And the answer ultimately is yeah, you can, but we were told nope, you can't, and that's what's disheartening about all this.

Is we're looking to you guys to say, is there creative ways to come up with a way to help some of these businesses continue on?

And we'll just met with Rosebox non-stop.

Mr.

Dykman, would you address this and let us know your legal opinion?

Yeah, we we've talked about this before.

You can't defer a city is not constitutionally allowed to defer taxes to limit taxes.

It's it's in the Kentucky Constitution.

Can't do that.

So how'd you get by it when you did it during the pandemic?

That was different money, it's special.

You can't do it.

You can't do it.

I'm I'm sorry.

I mean, uh that's what that's what's uh the PBA just said.

You you can petition you can petition in a new year if you if your property has gone down in value, but that's not the same as losing income from it.

Um it's just not the same thing.

You can't do it.

I wish you could.

I mean, I it's it's just not available for a city to do that.

Property taxes.

Yeah, we were talking about that.

I'll text us.

It did happen during the pandemic, uh, assuming because it's special.

But I mean, I guess I'd get a little unconfused.

And I I guess this is I'll I'll disported the downtown businesses.

We can forgive late fees, and that wasn't illegal.

Yeah, you guys for code enforcement they give fees out.

I'm not an attorney out.

There's somebody's been bidding positive.

That's a fee that was as it says like for ordinance.

I I don't know if the late fee is the same as uh Bill plus they're both but let's let our attorney weigh in on this, okay.

Bill you're in late fees on occasion, and that's not illegal.

That that's that's something we've added by ordinance, but the but the the taxes that the city assesses for ad velorum taxes are are part of what uh what comes from the state and the county, and it's just not constitutionally available for a city to deal with the with the ad valorum taxes.

Oh I'm not a turn.

I guess I think that's where we're stuck is is with the PVA at least.

We should have been told, yeah, we'll talk to the PVA.

Instead, it was no, that's illegal.

You you can't once you get assessed the tax, you can't let me look at this.

Jada yeah, I just want to I want to mention his income has been uh brought up a couple of times here and kind of loosely related to the assessment value.

Income is one of the ways that we can look at a business um as out of the property um to do the assessment valuation.

So that is one of the legal ways that we could take a look at that property.

I now I'm I'm speaking specifically to property assessments, but that is a way that I would be happy to do any legal way to do that.

I hope the business is that and I guess we're I printed this out.

I'd like to read it real quick, and it's a very, very short thing.

I promise this comes straight from your all's web page.

And the question is, will there be any assistance for downtown businesses impacted by the construction?

The answers the city will monitor and impact the impact on businesses.

The city will decide based on recommendations from the city, uh city staff, what assistance measures are necessary, and then it goes to the DDIF, which we've all shown that that ain't right.

So I guess my question is what are we doing for these downtown businesses?

Again, we're close, so I'm out.

All I'm doing is trying to advocate for a downtown that I care about.

But what do we do going forward that says right in here all stuff right here that you're going to monitor it and then make a decision based on those findings?

It's been a long time.

That's all I have.

Thank you.

Okay.

Does anyone let's uh let's go ahead and do our comments and then does anyone gonna have anything for closed session?

I'll put my I'm going to send my closed session thing to Bruce via email tonight or tomorrow.

Okay, and uh we'll we'll you and everybody else can I don't you can disseminate it and we'll see where we where we are and talk about it.

Maybe I'll come in late this week or early next week, and we'll have a discussion about it and see where we are.

Okay.

And what's it gonna be under acquisition?

Well, I'm I was gonna ask for a brief personality session tonight.

Tonight.

Okay, well, let's do it.

Then let's do it.

Well, let's go ahead and do our comments and then we'll go into closed session comments.

I think it's we okay, Commissioner Chennault.

Anything?

Uh well the business owners, uh you're leaving with a positive note, and I think it's like a communication, and I think that's something can be resolved real quick, and I think that will be.

And on the other part, uh being on the park board, uh, there was some graffiti that messed up the basketball court that cost uh four four to five hundred dollars to repair, and I'll probably will suggest to the members that the vandalism people get called the ban will be starting out at 1500 and go on up.

Okay.

Well, good point.

Besides that, they broke locks off the pool doors, um, turned over the Kentucky Westland side that's been there for years.

Um, and they need to be called and prosecuted.

Yes, any vandalism starts out at $1,500 if you just crack a window.

So that's all I and they need to make restitution, Mr.

Stroke and restitution.

I want to say too.

I I mean, I think we we all are after the same thing about our downtown.

We want everybody to make it, and we want to be fair.

So we're gonna have to find some ways for you all to be compensated.

I truly believe that.

Um, and what you know, we I know beer cheese talked about this.

There's more money there that we might be able to come up with as well.

I know we said 30,000, but we might be able to come up with more than 30 to help um and find a way to dispense that in a fair way to you all.

I know it's not a ton of money, but it's it's it's a little substantial money to help for sure.

Um, and the only other thing I want to say real quick off the subject, I want to thank public works again for going up to the parklet and in front of uh hardware and all, and getting rid of all the weeds and then code enforcement has been on the harper building because it was bad.

So Becky went up there and they got rid of everything in the back.

We're still still working on it.

So uh as we get ready for festival, the um Brian will be working hard and so the jail crew out because they'll be doing leaning and picking up trash and everything all over town.

Anything else?

No, Mr.

Cox.

Uh, two things with these folks here.

I will make every effort, and I know everybody else will up here to make sure it's done right, and I'll and you know the thing was never done right.

They didn't do it, but we can't make it right.

We can't fix what's happened to your business, but we could do the best we can to not let it happen again to do it a little bit, okay.

Thing number two, uh, this was discussed earlier in this maybe, and I will fight to the very end.

I will I will fight tooth and nail with the last breath in my body to make sure that the that the folks in this community have an ambulance service, an EMF service that is trained, that is adequate, and is is on the way 30 seconds after you call 911.

And if we privatize the ambulance service here, that will not be the case.

And that is not due that.

Well, I know, but I'm saying I'm fighting not just for the folks on Ashland Avenue and Winridge.

It's for our fighting for the whole thing.

City and I'm gonna fight for everybody to make sure that we have good to great AEMS service, and not people like but like there was a a group unnamed who uh is doing backup for an ambulance service in an adjoining county, and when they got a call a couple weeks ago about an incident at a house when there were when all the county's ambulances were out on a wreck on the parkway, they were told they couldn't do it.

They didn't have the manpower.

That's not the first time.

And that's so we won't go, we won't get into that tonight.

Okay, but there's a lot of people.

But I whether you were are in the city or the county or just driving down the parkway.

I'm fighting to make sure that yeah, you need to hang out.

Commissioner Toole.

I've got nothing.

City manager.

Yes, ma'am.

Um, we need to be thinking about um Halloween events already, concluding so I'd like to uh suggest Halloween be set for Friday, October 31st.

Okay, uh trick-or-treating from five to eight and Halloween mania would be from five to seven.

So move.

That's Main Street.

Assuming that the projects done.

Well, we might have to switch it up depending on uh but we are with the lunch.

We'll have it downtown somewhere.

I mean okay.

Is motion by Commissioner Cox?

Uh Commissioner Toole, you wanted to second that?

I did not actually have second.

How I feel about the city um having Halloween mania on Halloween, but I do not have kids and I do not have input.

And so you don't have a document I do not second it though.

Okay, all right.

Is there a second?

Second second by Commissioner Shannon.

Any discussion?

Okay, it's all in favor, I need opposed by like sign?

I'm not hearing anybody say either one.

All in favor, I all opposed by like sign, motion fears.

Um what about um Christmas break?

Can we go ahead and sell Christmas parade for Saturday December the 6th at 6 p.m.?

Wait a minute.

That's been pretty typical of the first Saturday, right?

Saturday in December.

Hold on.

Oh gosh, he's looking at a basketball schedule, I think.

Yes.

Would you want to have the Christmas parade the same time that Kentucky is playing?

I don't care about it's always the first Saturday in December.

They're playing the fifth in Nashville.

There we go.

I may not be back.

I'll be at Bridget Arena, Nashville where they play against Vegas.

So it doesn't matter.

I'll motion for December 6th, 6 p.m.

All right.

Is there a second?

Second by Commissioner Schrode.

Any discussion?

All in favor, aye, aye.

Any opposed by a like sign, motion carries.

I thought that's the day they moved the local game too.

All right.

Oh, yeah.

Uh only comments I have.

I want to thank everyone that was involved in Jackson Street Bridge planning, implementation, helping put it all together, school system, everything.

It was a great event yesterday, and the neighbors came out and they were very thankful and kept telling me stories about one guy telling me when I was a little boy, I used to stay on the bridge over there and watch the George Washington train go by.

And a lot of people had a lot of history uh associated with that, so it was great.

Then I do want to announce that the Fulton Road ribbon cutting will be August the 27th at 10:30.

We'll be opening the road.

You'd be able to go from professional avenue all the way to the bypass.

So that's coming up soon.

So Jay and Kim, who own the store there on the one avenue.

I went by there last night because I I they're a great, great young couple.

They told me that they had their best day of business there yesterday in five months.

Everybody's excited.

Because they can folks can get across the bridge now.

See, and no bridge.

That's another that's another business that was affected by a city project.

Well, guys, I guess we're doing projects.

Yeah.

Well, so if the city can go where it goes.

Yeah.

I don't know if there's any project that's not.

Any project.

All projects.

They're disparating the all of the.

I'm gonna make a motion.

We adjourn to closed session for personnel, chapter 61810 F.

And at the end of that uh closed session, we adjourn that closed session meeting and this regular meeting concurrently.

Guys, hang on just a second, please.

Okay, go Mr.

Dykman.

Did you have anything?

No, Mayor.

Okay, thank you.

Three.

All right.

All in favor of going into closed session.

I any opposed by a light sign.

All in favor, go ahead.

Quick, yeah.

You can come too.