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Aberdeen City Council Meeting – June 22, 2026

City CouncilMonday, June 22, 2026
BodyAberdeen, South Dakota
SessionCity Council
DateMonday, June 22, 2026
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3:29

Five thirty, so it's called the order of this meeting.

3:31

Jordan, would you start us off with a roll call?

3:33

Please respond by stating present.

3:35

Council member Ronane Foberg.

3:40

Present.

4:18

Move to approve.

4:19

Second.

4:20

Motion leave out.

4:21

Second.

4:21

Nilson, all in favor, please say I.

4:24

I posted.

4:25

I oppose nay.

4:26

And motion carries next is the approval of the minutes from the meeting last week, which took place Monday, June fifteenth.

4:33

I would take a motion to approve those minutes.

4:37

Second.

4:49

Next, we've got a consent calendar.

4:52

We've got a handful of routine city business items.

4:56

And we did have a question.

5:00

I'd like you to speak to the clarification on the necessity to have that rivet family plot annexation.

5:05

Could you just explain where that project is in the process?

5:09

Sure, Mr.

5:10

Mayor.

5:10

The uh petition of voluntary annexation, like any annexation petition, uh first needs to go to city officials for their review and recommendation.

5:19

And what we do by uh putting it in the consent calendar is just notifying the council that that has come in, and then at some point uh there will be a public hearing.

5:29

I'm not sure when that date is on this particular annexation petition, but there will be a public hearing and an opportunity for the council to take input before a resolution of annexation.

5:42

Thank you for that clarification.

5:43

Appreciate it.

5:44

Would someone on the council care to make a motion to approve the consent calendar items?

5:49

So move motion Nelson, second officer.

5:54

If anyone have any line item abstentions or any other questions, Mr.

5:58

Mayor, go ahead, Rich.

6:00

I'll abstain from 5D.

6:02

Okay.

6:03

Jordan, have you got that notated?

6:05

Noted, yes.

6:06

All right, all in favor, then please say aye.

6:08

Aye.

6:09

Aye.

6:09

Aye.

6:10

Oppose nay.

6:12

That motion carries not a single item of old business.

6:15

We were pretty efficient last time around, so we'll move along to our new business segment where we've got the preliminary presentation on additional funding for the water tower transmission, as well as possible approval of a resolution which would authorize the application for the drinking water facilities funding.

6:32

We have got a rep from uh NECOD, right?

6:37

Yes, welcome.

6:38

Appreciate you joining us here tonight.

6:40

Thank you, Mayor.

6:40

Ted Dickey with Northeast Council of Governments.

6:43

Um, I'm in front of the council tonight.

6:46

Um, looking for uh passage of a resolution and going to do some preliminary information on uh worst-case scenario.

6:56

So I'll just give you a little bit of a background here.

6:58

Uh I'm here for the water tower project that's being done done up on the northeast side of town.

7:04

Uh originally we had two million in grant from the economic development administration.

7:09

We paired that with 10 million dollars in loan from the South Dakota Department of Agriculture and Natural Resources, and then we went to bid and we were a little short.

7:20

So that was early this year, if I remember right, that we went to bid, and at that point we knew that the uh city was gonna be short.

7:31

We didn't know how much we wanted to wait until we got further down the process before uh we went and applied for additional funding.

7:40

Uh so right now there's 12 million available, there's roughly 14.5 million in total project costs.

7:46

Uh, we're applying for uh 200 uh excuse me, 2.5 million.

7:53

Jordan's distracting me here.

7:55

Uh-huh.

7:55

So we're applying for 2.5 million uh at 3.75 percent for 20 years.

8:02

Now we're actually applying for funding, we're not applying for a loan, but I have to give what's known as a worst-case scenario tonight.

8:09

So, in case they give just loan, uh, that's the numbers that were get are getting shown up at the board, and then I passed out tonight as well.

8:17

So this is just a quick easy version of um the totals, it doesn't necessarily represent how the city's gonna raise rates.

8:29

Uh, I'm doing this on a flat rate basis, so if everybody pays an additional uh same amount every month or per household because it's pays the same, then that's how I got my numbers, so it's not based on usage.

8:46

So the first set of rows there just talks about the number of users, uh domestic and bulk users.

8:53

There's nine thousand five hundred and thirty-seven hookups in town.

8:56

Uh the current rate for domestic is 48.25 cents.

9:02

Uh both the domestic and the business will reflect that uh the usage of 5,000 gallons per month is used.

9:11

Uh with that, the total generated on domestic should be 413,406 dollars per month.

9:19

Uh take that times 12.

9:21

Uh, so yearly, uh it's gonna generate 4.960 million uh in revenue.

9:29

Uh businesses should generate uh just over 700,000.

9:34

Uh so each year uh the city should be collecting five million six hundred and sixty-one thousand four hundred and fifty-nine dollars.

9:42

Now, this is just my rough estimate of how much the city should be collecting each year if everybody pays on time, everybody uses five thousand gallons.

9:52

It's just a uh a standard to see what you should be generating if everybody pays on time.

10:00

Uh so the next set of rows there talks about the funding source.

10:05

We had applied for uh, as I mentioned earlier, 10 million that's already been awarded.

10:10

Um we had visited beforehand um uh in with uh the city and discuss how much we that was necessary, and the need was felt that an additional 2.5 million was necessary in order to complete this project at a rate of the we can apply for different terms from the state.

10:31

So we talked about the 30-year rate, the 20-year, and the 10-year.

10:35

Uh the 30-year rate is 4%, 20 years 375, and 10 year is 3.5.

10:41

Uh try to keep it at least in line a little bit with the useful life of the project.

10:47

Uh, and so the city said, hey, we could do probably 20 years and and work with it that way.

10:53

Uh, and so that's where we came up with uh the rates on that.

10:58

So on uh a monthly payback, the city would need to uh generate an additional 400 14,822 dollars and 21 cents.

11:09

Uh yearly payment would be 177,866.49.

11:15

And that next column over in green uh shows what's called uh 110% debt capacity.

11:21

So the state requires the city to uh have rates that are in addition to 100%.

11:28

So they want you to generate 110% debt capacity uh in order to make sure that you have the ability to pay your notes.

11:36

It's less for cities like Aberdeen, more for cities that are very much smaller than you are because you you know raise a dollar, it'll generate 114,000 a year, whereas you know you go to some of the smaller communities, they raise a dollar, it raises a thousand a year.

11:52

So it's uh it's just a way for the state to uh level the playing field uh on their end and make sure the city's generating enough cash and keeps their bond rating uh better so that they can get lower rates when they go out.

12:09

So the bottom set of rows then uh talks about uh what the cost is gonna be.

12:16

So the first second row there represents what each dollar represents.

12:22

So for every dollar that the city raises on a flat rate or per household basis should generate 114,444.

12:34

So the current rates the 4825 and the 6025 should generate 5,661,459 that matches the uh orange up on the top right hand corner.

12:48

So just showing you that the it matches.

12:52

Uh the proposed new rate, and again, this is on a worst-case scenario.

12:57

Uh if we borrow the full amount at the rate of 3.75% for 20 years, uh, the rate increase would be a dollar seventy-five per user per month.

13:07

Again, that's if we're everybody's paying the same rate, uh, and that would bring uh rates up to a total of $50 uh per user per month for the city on uh domestic and $62 per month on uh commercial, and again, that's if they use $5,000 gallons.

13:31

Um that's a lot of numbers to throw at you right away in a meeting.

13:38

Uh is there any questions about you know what I what I'm doing tonight?

13:42

I again have to provide the worst case scenario if you know they provide only loan to the city of Aberdeen.

13:52

Ted, what would you estimate as the likelihood that this will be an only loan type of a project versus receiving some grant funding?

14:00

I you just love to ask me that question, right?

14:02

Every time uh unfortunately, I think it's gonna be all loan.

14:06

I can't guarantee that because that's just a few steps above my pay grade.

14:11

Uh, but we're seeing communities go to that $70 per $5,000 to $80 per $5,000 gallon range.

14:19

So until you get to that point, they will give you as much loan as possible, but no grant.

14:27

So I may be wrong, but most likely no grant.

14:33

Thank you for that clarification.

14:35

Anyone else have any questions?

14:37

Mr.

14:37

Mayor, go ahead, Rich.

14:38

Just on the same note, Ted, uh, three and a half, four percent great interest rates, but anyway we can get anything lower than that through other programs, or is that about the best the state can do?

14:47

Uh you well, this is the best the state can do.

14:50

You uh the city of Aberdeen doesn't qualify for USDA role development because the population is over 25,000, so they don't come into town.

15:00

So DA and R is your only game in town to help with this amount of money.

15:05

Thank you.

15:09

Go ahead, Alan.

15:11

So looking at the math, then it uh looks like to cover this loan uh the proposed rate increase will be about a 3.63 percent.

15:21

Doing the math of 50 divided by 48.25.

15:25

Is that accurate?

15:26

Uh I I would agree with your math if I had a calculator in front of me, but yes.

15:31

Thank you.

15:36

All right.

15:37

Well, I appreciate the information.

15:38

Ted, would someone in the council uh be interested in making a motion to approve the resolution?

15:45

Move to approve.

15:49

Motion ward, second opstrup.

15:51

Any final questions?

15:53

Anyone would have far.

15:54

Jordan, would you give us a roll call vote on that resolution then, please?

15:58

Councilmember Foberg.

16:00

Aye.

16:01

Liebelt.

16:01

Aye.

16:02

Ward.

16:02

Aye.

16:03

Johnson.

16:04

Aye.

16:04

E.

16:04

Conger.

16:06

Hi.

16:06

Nelson.

16:07

Aye.

16:07

Norm Strup.

16:08

Hi.

16:08

Mayor Shannon.

16:10

I motion approves.

16:11

Thanks for joining us.

16:12

Good to see you.

16:13

This is uh preliminary discussion.

16:14

I'll be back here again in two weeks to have the official discussion on the same numbers, and hopefully it won't take me as long to get through.

16:20

So you did a great job.

16:22

It wasn't too long by any means.

16:24

Thank you.

16:24

Thank you.

16:27

So I had come a little bit early and at that time.

16:30

There was no speakers signed up for open forum, but I in thinking about things, you gentlemen probably were interested in speaking at the open forum for the awards.

16:38

I didn't see that as a new business agenda item.

16:40

So why don't we jump ahead to that presentation of those awards, guys?

16:45

Appreciate you guys joining us here tonight.

16:48

Scanning the agenda, and I guess the open forum might have been the best place to do it.

16:52

So let's do that right now.

17:20

With a one or two of you that don't understand what I just said, it's greetings from the Society of 40 men or eight horses.

17:28

We uh adopted our theme after uh French boxcars.

17:34

Uh, I think I talked to one gentleman here that visited the boxcar at the state fair this year.

17:39

After World War II, Brandon sent a boxcar full of gifts and gratitude to the United States to 48 states and gratitude for us bailing their butts out of the war.

17:50

Um we have maintained that boxcar and it's on display at the state fairgrounds every year during the fair, we man it, and uh last year we um purchased steps for it so that now you can even go inside of it and see how comfortable you'd be in that boxcar with it would hold either 40 men and then I'm gonna lay down or eight horses.

18:15

So that's where the and on topside of that boxcar stamp 40-8, and that's where we derived our name.

18:22

We do a lot of things.

18:23

Uh we're only 70 strong in Aberdeen, but in the last uh six years we've given about $50,000 in scholarships to nursing students.

18:33

We do Christmas parties, we uh help fire victims with uh buying clothes anytime there's kids involved in the homes.

18:43

We uh take them out shopping and buy each one of them three to four hundred dollars worth of clothes.

18:47

So we do a lot of a lot of things without making a lot of noise about them.

18:52

One of the other things we do is we recognize each year various uh uh categories.

19:00

The first one that I've got this year is lawficer of the year, and it's gonna be uh awarded to Brady Worrell.

19:10

Whale whale, okay.

19:12

And uh the chief is gonna say a few words about Brady.

19:17

Thank you, Ron.

19:18

Um yeah, this letter was uh written by Brady's or Officer Wales uh shift sergeant.

19:25

So this is in the words of uh Sergeant Briston Bruce.

19:28

Uh I would like to nominate Officer Wale for Officer of the Year for a couple of outstanding reasons.

19:33

The first reason is Officer Wales proactivity.

19:36

In the short time that I've been on night shift, I've observed Officer Wale constantly looking for vehicles to stop.

19:42

With this being said, he's not just looking to make a stop to make a traffic stop, but rather looks deeper at uh something more.

19:50

He consists he's consistently getting drugs, recovering stolen property such as such as guns, making warrant arrests and enforcing other important traffic laws such as driving under suspension or revocation.

20:03

On top of this, Officer Whales directing other officers' attentions towards vehicles that have the same potential for them to stop as well.

20:10

Sergeant Kistner's expressed that Officer Wales single-handedly prevented or curbs a significant amount of crime in the city through his proactive enforcement and action.

20:20

The second reason is for Officer Wales' leadership and mentorship.

20:24

I have personally observed Officer Well counseling younger and fellow officers in areas such as proactive patrol tactics, drug interdiction, and search and seizure, especially as it applies to traffic stops and drug interdiction.

20:37

I've seen this both on scene and at the police department during briefings or in the typing room.

20:42

I've had conversations with multiple officers who feel who have told me that they enjoy working drug interdiction with Officer Whales because they feel they can leave the call having learned something valuable from him to their benefit and improvement.

20:56

I've even had officers ask if it'd be okay to take some time and ride with Officer Well to improve their own drug interdiction skills.

21:06

Sergeant Bruce said he spoke with Sergeant Kissner on this, and they both support uh Officer Well for this nomination.

21:13

Um in addition to what uh the sergeant's written about uh Officer Well, he really has become an informal leader in our department.

21:20

He uh there is no doubt if you look at our violent crime over the last several years, actions that he's taken and that he's shared with our other staff members has dramastic drastically reduced serious violent crime in Aberdeen, and we truly appreciate everything he's done for us, and he's very worthy of this this recognition, and we thank uh Ron and the 48 organization for for that as well.

21:44

Congratulations, Brady.

21:46

Yeah, if you want to come up here.

21:50

This read this reads uh 2026 law officer of the year, Brady Worrell, Worrell Whale Whale, uh Locale 146 148, Aberdeen, South Dakota.

22:02

I'd like to present you with this uh momentum.

22:11

Thank you.

22:14

Thank you.

22:14

Thank you.

22:15

You guys want to follow for a picture quick or try and take there?

22:22

Perfect.

22:22

Thanks, guys.

22:27

Proactive like that.

22:32

Thank you.

22:32

Congratulations, Brady.

22:33

Thank you.

22:38

You know, we we keep track of you guys because one of our 148 members comes to each one of your council members, council meetings, and that is your airport manager.

22:47

He's a member of our uh of our organization.

22:52

Um the second award that I have is something we've been given a lot of thought to in the quite a few years, and the things that uh are happening in Aberdeen.

23:07

We decided this year to award the City of the Year award to the City of Aberdeen.

23:16

Um with all the various uh veterans' memorials around town.

23:22

Uh there's signage being put up for Purple Heart recipients.

23:27

There's signings being put up for veterans parking.

23:30

Uh Aberdeen is a very uh welcoming community for veterans.

23:38

Um of the things that the veterans are doing right now to get more active in the Aberdeen community is the end of this month on the 30th of June.

23:48

We are closing on the Milwaukee Depot building, and that'll be the permanent home for all the veterans' organizations and all the veterans' activities that happen here in Aberdeen.

24:00

So we'll have a right now, none of them have a permanent home, so they'll all have a permanent home here in Aberdeen.

24:06

Um if uh the mayor would like to come up.

24:10

I don't know who's gonna take the picture now.

24:12

That's right.

24:14

Travis, uh, I have an award for you.

24:27

And just two reads, City of the Year, Aberdeen, South Dakota, 2026, locale 146, 148, Aberdeen, South Dakota.

24:37

Yep.

24:48

And now I'm gonna go a step further.

24:51

I do have uh with me tonight, our galerin chef de Gar, or state commander, or if you people that don't understand my French, um, has a few words to say about uh these two awards and uh what happens next.

25:01

Has a few words to say about these two awards and what happens next.

25:08

Al Oshner.

25:16

Thank you.

25:18

Last summer when I was inducted into the state commandership, we had a national representative here from New York.

25:26

And I took him around and showed him all the things around Aberdeen, and he told me he said, one of the things I want to see next year is I want to see this city put up for City of the Year.

25:37

He said, I really feel that the things I've seen out at the airport, the thing I seen out at the cemeteries with the flags and the veterans organizations and all the things that I showed him, including uh down by the river down here, uh Riverside.

25:53

Uh he was very impressed, and uh that's why we decided to try to make Aberdeen the city of the year, and we've already been accepted through the state of South Dakota, and we're now at the national level.

26:09

We're competing with the rest of the United States for these awards.

26:13

So uh I want to say that last year we had the hero of the year, and he also came from the Aberdeen area.

26:22

He was a highway patrolman, but uh he he also, and he's the one that started us on this mission, and we are continuing on.

26:30

But I've been very honored to work with Ron.

26:33

Ron's trying to sorry.

26:39

What's officers?

26:40

One the state, too.

26:42

Brady won the state.

26:44

Did he?

26:45

Brady.

26:48

Yes, you got the state also, and you're you're already in the national, so you're you're both of the awards are in the national archives right now, being judged.

27:01

And I will be going to I have the honor of going to uh Gettysburg, Pennsylvania to the National Convention, and uh that's where they'll be selected.

27:12

So uh I'm looking forward to uh accepting the trophy for Aberdeen and bringing it home.

27:18

So I want to thank you guys for the support that you've given us.

27:23

Uh Ron's trying to mentor me and to show me what I'm supposed to do in the future, but uh I'm just about as old as he is.

27:30

So I want to tell you that uh any of you guys or gals that are here, and you have a DD 214 that I know if you have one, you'll know what it is.

27:44

I would invite you to join our organization if you have an honorable discharge or if you're still in the military.

27:51

And I would be glad to fill out your res uh your application for you tonight before I go.

27:58

Um we also uh we also are in the middle of our campaign to buy the Burlington Northern Railway Station.

28:09

And a lot of people think that now that we've got the money to buy the station at the end of the month, that's great, but there's still a lot of work to be done, and uh that's only step one out of three steps.

28:22

So we're gonna continue on to raise funds for that.

28:25

So I want to thank you for your time, and I want to thank you for your service, and I hope you guys win the national because we can do it.

28:34

Thank you.

28:35

Thank you.

28:39

You know, this national award that that we're trying for for the officer of the year, they he and his uh significant other get invited to our national convention, all expenses paid, and uh get their award down there.

28:58

Um state are I gotta keep trying to get Al Broke in here.

29:04

We don't have conventions, we have grand promenades.

29:07

Uh anyhow, um we're inviting uh Brady and his wife to come to our grand promenade banquet on the 18th of July to receive his another award for being the grand law officer of the year, and we're also inviting the mayor or his representative to come to that same thing to receive the grand award for the grand of the year.

29:41

So um, I know that later on you're gonna talk about the parade, but our first event that's gonna happen at the at the depot will happen on July 4th, and there'll be a pancake feed there from 7 to 9, uh free will, huh?

30:01

Seven to ten.

30:02

Okay, seven to ten.

30:04

Um everybody's invited, the public's invited.

30:08

The uh with the committee and with the veterans organizations will be putting on that pancake P to just be a free will donation.

30:16

And uh, we invite the public and all you people to come out and uh take a look at what we what we bought and what we need to remodel to get the thing up and running to what we need.

30:27

Thank you for your time.

30:31

Thanks, you two gentlemen.

30:33

Really appreciate all the advocacy that you're doing for these officers and recognition and for the community as as a whole.

30:40

And you know, I mean it's a lot of people chipping in a lot of hard work around the city hall and throughout this community to make this place such a welcoming place for veterans, but we all genuinely appreciate your service.

30:52

We just didn't find anybody this year.

30:55

But each year we give a uh uh Hero of the Year award.

30:59

And so if you hear of anybody that did something extraordinary, get a hold of me, and then next year we get to have a hero and award given off to the thank you, Ron.

31:10

Great to see you as always.

31:12

And thank you, Al.

31:13

Appreciate your your input as well.

31:16

Thank you.

31:18

All right, so we'll move along to our next uh new business item for the meeting here tonight.

31:25

We've got a possible approval for resolution.

31:28

It's titled 260606R, which dissolves the tax increment finance district number eight.

31:35

Jordan wind and one down.

31:36

Walk us through what that looks like in this case.

31:39

Would you thank you, Mayor?

31:40

Tonight I'm presenting the resolution 260606R to dissolve TIF 8 pursuant to SDCL 11946.

31:49

The timing of this item is coincidental.

31:51

Staff began the dissolution review several weeks ago following the district's final debt service payment in May.

32:00

The TIFF district number eight was created in 2007 to support public infrastructure improvements associated with the ADC uh manufacturing facility for molded fiberglass, which is just north of Fossum Field and Flairsfield.

32:15

Uh we issued $3.8 million in bonds in May of 2008 since its creation.

32:20

The district has helped facilitate significant in development and growth in taxable value within the district.

32:27

The city actively administers and monitors all TIFF districts on an ongoing basis.

32:32

This includes tracking tax increment revenues, debt service, development agreements, disbursements, interest obligations, and remaining balances throughout the life of each district.

32:44

As part of that process, staff continuously reviews districts and the increment they are generating to determine when obligations have been satisfied and whether a district can be dissolved.

32:57

Based on that review, all obligations associated with TIFF district number eight have been satisfied, and the staff is recommending dissolution in accordance with state law with the final debt service payment in May of 26.

33:11

Following dissolution, any additional tax increment received by the city will be remitted to Brown County for apportionment among the affected taxing entities.

33:20

Staff recommends approval of TIFF uh resolution 2606R.

33:26

I'll move to approve second.

33:30

Got a motion from Councilman Johnson, second councilman Knobstrup.

33:33

Does anyone have any questions?

33:37

All right.

33:38

Jordan, would you give us a roll call on that resolution?

33:42

Councilmember Norpstrup.

33:43

Hi.

33:44

Nelson.

33:44

Hi.

33:44

E.

33:45

Conger.

33:45

Hi.

33:46

Johnson.

33:46

Hi.

33:47

Ward.

33:47

Abstain.

33:50

Councilmember Liebelt.

33:52

Aye.

33:52

Foberg.

33:54

Aye.

33:54

Mayor Shoneman.

33:56

Aye.

33:56

Motion carries.

33:57

Good to see these things get to the finish line.

33:59

Thanks for your handling of that.

34:01

Jordan.

34:02

Next we've got a possible approval.

34:03

This is a reappointment.

34:05

It's Anthony Schwann.

34:06

It's the airport board.

34:07

It's a five-year term, and it will end in 2031.

34:12

Anthony seems like a great guy, and I think he's doing a heck of a job over at the airport board.

34:17

Would you say that's true, Rich?

34:20

Very true.

34:21

All right.

34:21

Move to approve.

34:23

Second.

34:24

Motion Johnson, second ward.

34:25

All in favor, please say aye.

34:30

That motion carries.

34:32

Congratulations, Anthony.

34:33

Next we've got a possible first reading passage of a resolution.

34:37

Accepting city handbook and city employee handbook and approving the benefits deemed to be employee compensation here to walk us through what those details are.

34:50

Yeah, thank you, Mayor.

34:51

So my authority and duty to direct and supervise city employees is aided by the HR director's adoption pursuant to Aberdeen City Code Section 2-11 of personnel policies and work rules set forth in the employee handbook.

35:06

HR Director Kristen Kroll recently completed a comprehensive review of the employee handbook in consultation with employment law experts, the city attorney, and myself to address recent changes in federal and state employee employment and labor loss to treat non-union and ask me local labor union employees equitably and to become current with the changes in technology that impact employment relations and conditions.

36:07

And after that, I just want to thank uh Kristen and her HR staff for the comprehensive review and the time that they spent going through and updating this uh this employees handbook and uh we've seen this and we've done this in the past.

36:22

So the staff recommends approval on this.

36:26

You approve.

36:27

I'll second that.

36:29

Motion ward second.

36:31

Liebelt Dave, any particular benefits that are changing as a result of this uh this modification.

36:37

Yeah, thank you, Mayor.

36:38

So if you recall, uh we kind of walked through the union contract, and there were some things that we saw that were uh very beneficial to to union employees.

36:46

There are a few things that we also saw that uh non-represented employees could benefit as well.

36:51

So, for instance, certification incentives when somebody uh continues their path of uh building their knowledge and skill and they reach a milestone in a in a certification that could be relevant, for instance, in a water treatment plant, water reclamation.

37:04

We acknowledge it that that's a benefit, and that's something that could be applicable to somebody that's not in a union.

37:10

Uh there are different things like overtime compensation, callback pay, uh there are a wide variety of things.

37:17

Uh there could be cell phone stipends, uh, CDL training fees that could be reimbursed.

37:23

Uh we talk a little bit about pay time off and PTO uh revision with a small incremental increase to align with what the union represented staff are receiving.

37:33

Uh we also talked about an extended leave bank that allows people uh individuals to use this for uh immediate family needs.

37:42

So that was a good piece to that.

37:44

Um there was a longevity bonus that was uh something that would be relevant to non-union uh uh represented uh staff members, a referral incentive.

37:55

So if uh a regular city uh employee refers somebody to uh HR for employment, and that person's hired, there could be uh an incentive there, a bonus.

38:06

Uh there are different things related to non-DOT drug and alcohol testing, workmen's compensation issues, and a variety of things.

38:15

But um, as you can see, as I quickly walked through that, it was pretty comprehensive.

38:19

Um you had probably an attachment to the council packet and you saw that it's very comprehensive, but it's a good change.

38:26

Things need to be done on an updated basis from year to year.

38:30

Uh having this union contract in place is then beneficial, and uh it gives us an opportunity again to revise our employee handbook and bring things in alignment with the rest of city city staff that aren't uh represented by the union.

38:45

Thank you for spelling that out.

38:46

I appreciate it.

38:47

Is anyone care to make a motion on that resolution?

38:52

We did have a question.

38:54

Okay.

38:54

Alan, did you have a question?

38:56

I do have a question.

38:57

Thank you, Mayor.

38:57

Uh, I'm noting uh the first revision on page 128 uh for residency shows that uh employees must maintain a residence within 40 miles of city limits.

39:10

Um clarify what was the original It's been based and housed in a job description.

39:17

So for instance, certain public safety jobs, for instance, uh the fire department may have something that requires a close closer residency requirement.

39:25

Um where other departments uh in the past they didn't have a mile restriction.

39:30

So in the process of working with the union staff and employees, we determined that 40 miles was feasible and and uh legitimate, you know, as uh uh kind of a baseline on where we would expect employees uh kind of the distance in the boundary.

39:45

So we expanded our ability to continue to recruit and and and hire employees, not limiting ourselves by a geographic boundary, but there are certain work groups that may have something that limits you know where they can live within city limits, but it's by and large housed in the job description now.

40:02

So thank you.

40:03

Yep.

40:05

All right.

40:05

Jordan, would you give us a roll call vote on that resolution?

40:09

Councilmember Norbstrup.

40:11

Nelson.

40:12

Econger, aye, Johnson.

40:13

Aye, Ward.

40:14

Aye.

40:15

Liebelt.

40:16

Aye.

40:16

Boberg.

40:18

Aye.

40:19

Mayor Shanneman.

40:20

Aye.

40:21

That motion carries.

40:22

Next, we've got a ratification of an appointment of Guy Trennhale, the president of Healthcare Plus Federal Credit Union to the Board of Ethics.

40:30

We had a vacancy from someone deciding to step down from that board, and um and we talked to some different potential candidates and guy was willing to do this for us.

40:42

I think he'd be a heck of a good option to uh to round out that team of folks that don't really have to meet all too often unless there's some turbulence around here.

40:55

So I would take a motion to move approve guy.

40:59

All right.

40:59

Sounds good.

41:00

Got a motion, Johnson and a second ward.

41:03

If anyone had any comments.

41:05

Otherwise, all in favor of the appointment of Guy Trent Hill, please say aye.

41:10

Aye.

41:12

Opposed, nay.

41:13

That motion carries.

41:14

Next, we've got a possible approval of a payment to close on the purchase of real property for the public works facility that is on our bills here for the evening, but it's a big amount, so let's get it taken care of as a line item here.

41:28

Dave, talk about this payment to the development court.

41:32

Yeah, thank you, Mayor.

41:33

The payment for the 6.81 acre lot in the Roosevelt Business Park finalizes the city's acquisition of land needed for the new public works facility, which in total is 18.86 acres and satisfies the terms and conditions of the purchase agreement between the city and the Aberdeen Development Corporation.

41:51

The city, by warranty deed from the ADC, dated October 8th, 2025, rear reacquired lot one, the safeguard slash ADC subdivision in Aberdeen, uh at which was 12.05 acres.

42:06

The administration recommends approval of final payment and authorized and authorization of the city manager to execute the closing documents.

42:22

I've moved to approve.

42:25

You say it first.

42:26

All right.

42:26

Would you do a second there, Telmage?

42:28

Yes.

42:28

All right, we've got a motion from Councilman Nobstrup and a second.

42:31

Councilman Econger, being quiet over there, but um I think we have what we need.

42:36

Motion is a second.

42:37

Anyone have any questions about closing this land acquisition out?

42:42

Jordan, would you give us a roll call then?

42:44

Councilmember Foberg.

42:46

Aye.

42:47

Liebelt.

42:48

Aye.

42:48

Ward.

42:49

Abstain.

42:50

Councilmember Johnson.

42:52

Aye.

42:52

E.

42:52

Conger.

42:53

Aye.

42:54

Nelson.

42:54

Aye.

42:55

Normstrup.

42:56

Mayor Shannon.

42:57

Aye.

42:57

That motion carries.

42:58

Next is a possible first reading and passage of a resolution which would establish rules regarding the issuance of special licenses to sell alcoholic beverages.

43:07

Ron, I know we've been talking a little bit about this.

43:10

So it was derived from a bit of an inconsistency in our processes.

43:14

What have we got?

43:15

Could you walk us through how this is going to look?

43:18

Sure.

43:18

Thank you, Mr.

43:19

Mayor.

43:20

In 2012, the council had adopted a resolution that established these rules regarding the issuance of special licenses to sell alcoholic beverages.

43:29

And over the 14 years that have transpired, the uh enabling statute is has been modified in some minor respects.

43:36

Um so it it was time to update that resolution and to uh look at some additional changes.

43:43

If you compare the old resolution 121001R to the new proposed resolution 260605R, uh one of the first things it does is it identifies what a sale of an alcoholic beverage is, which surprisingly is can be a confusing thing for folks.

44:00

And so if you see in the recitals of the resolution, it identifies a sale as as basically being anything other than free.

44:08

Um so if if you're giving it if you're giving away truly giving it away, then it's free and you wouldn't need to get a special license to sell alcohol.

44:16

But if you have an event that you want to sell alcohol on, then the new uh resolution addresses that and and updates us with the statute.

44:28

Um one of the changes that we're looking at is uh the jurisdictional requirement that an applicant must hold either an alcohol license issued by the city of Aberdeen or be recognized by the Internal Revenue Code uh as a civic charitable educational returnal or veterans organization.

44:46

So although the state law does not put a limit on that, uh cities are are free to and add to a uh establish uh restrictions on who may be a license holder.

45:00

So we have people who already hold alcohol licenses who who can be uh uh the applicants for these licenses, or you have these uh beneficial organizations that can be the applicants for these licenses.

45:13

If you are somebody who sells alcohol as a business, then the new resolution would limit that to city license holders.

45:22

If uh if you are an organization, uh beneficial organization wanting one of these event licenses, then the resolution we would require that you have proof that you are uh qualifying organization, and that typical proof is a is a 501c uh certification of some kind proof of that 501c classification.

45:44

In addition, the ordinance, I'm sorry, the resolution uh sets the um fees separate and will be established in the city fee schedule, so it's something that we can occasionally uh address on an annual basis.

45:59

Uh there's provision in the in the resolution to stack special licenses to allow you to have multi-day events if someone wanted to put on a festival that there was three, four, five days, then they could get a series of of special licenses and stack those.

46:15

Um, but at no time can any licensee have 15 consecutive days, and then it also clarified when a public hearing is required.

46:25

So if you if the applicant is somebody who already has a uh alcohol license, then you would not necessarily need to have a special or a public hearing for that.

46:34

You will always need to have a public hearing for an organization.

46:37

Uh but with those changes, uh, and kind of the look of it is different.

46:42

But other than that, uh uh the substance is pretty much the same, and and uh staff would recommend approval of the resolution.

46:52

Move to approve second.

46:56

Got a motion from Councilman Ward and a second from Councilman Norfolk Strip.

47:01

So are there circumstances?

47:02

I know understand there's been some situations where um you know maybe a group from outside of town would be interested in this, and this would be obviously something to link them a little bit more closely with the applicants or the license holders that we've got here locally.

47:18

Are there situations where this will alleviate uh some of the steps in a process or make things easier for applicants?

47:26

What was the situation with the existing license holders?

47:30

I think it had to do with um in some degree we we've had applicants from other cities wishing with I'm sorry, not from other cities, but holding licenses issued by other cities or by uh or or in the county or other counties that have wanted to do a special event within the city of Aberdeen, and recognizing that we have uh our own city issued licensees, so this this is a way to protect that that business asset, and also um if there is a problem subsequently with sales that were to occur as part of that special event, then that licensee is somebody that we can personally hold accountable.

48:09

We don't have to look to another jurisdiction to try to do that, and that's the the primary change.

48:17

Right.

48:19

All right, got a motion, got our second.

48:21

Does anyone else have any questions?

48:24

Jordan, would you give us a roll call vote then on item G.

48:28

Councilmember Nordstrup.

48:30

I Nelson, aye, e Conger, aye, Johnson, I ward, Liebelt.

48:35

Hi.

48:39

Motion carries next is a petition to rezone from I2 and C2 to just C2.

48:46

This is 402 15th Street South, Lust Third Edition at the City.

48:52

Uh Ken, can you walk us through that rezone?

48:55

Thank you, Mayor.

48:55

The owner is petitioning to rezone that this property in order to eliminate the split zoning that was the result of a replat of the property.

49:03

The property uh was platted to allow for the expansion of the existing car wash at this location on June 16th, 2026.

49:11

The Aberdeen City Planning Commission voted unanimous unanimously to recommend approval of this request.

49:16

Staff recommends approval.

49:18

Move to approve.

49:22

Second third.

49:23

All right.

49:23

So we've got a motion from Councilman Johnson.

49:25

Second, councilwoman Liebelt.

49:27

Does anyone have any questions?

49:31

All right, Jordan.

49:32

Councilmember Fulberg.

49:35

Hi, Libel.

49:36

Aye.

49:36

Ward.

49:37

I Johnson.

49:38

Econger.

49:39

Hi.

49:39

Nelson.

49:40

Norpsrup.

49:41

Mayor Shannon.

49:42

Aye.

49:42

That motion carries as well.

49:44

Next is a possible approval of a contract for AE services for a new bus barn for the city ride line transportation director, Rich Cruppel is here to walk us through that.

49:54

Rich, you've always got something going on now.

49:56

It's a new bus bar.

49:58

Grant money.

50:01

So yeah, we've over at Rideline, we're we've been uh exploring a uh an additional bus barn uh to store um about 10 vehicles.

50:11

So we had uh applied for a grant uh 812 238 for up to 100,000 dollars, um, and that was for architectural and engineering services.

50:25

Um we brought that before the city council on August 4th of 2025.

50:31

Uh we went out for the bid and on the total amount came back for the contract at 84,004, and those fees are broke out on page three of the uh agreement or 161 of your package.

50:54

Um the federal grant uh administered by DOT will cover up to 67,236 with the remainder uh paid by the city of Aberdeen on the approved budget.

51:07

Staff recommends approval.

51:09

So moved.

51:10

Second.

51:11

Motion Johnson, second ward.

51:14

Any questions?

51:16

Go ahead, Ellen.

51:17

Thank you, Mayor.

51:17

Um Rich, this will be an expansion of existing bus barn space and not a replacement, correct?

51:23

Correct.

51:23

It'll be uh standalone building.

51:25

It'll it'll be constructed just west of the current facility.

51:30

Yeah, thanks.

51:34

Is there a there's like a some sort of an access road just west of there?

51:38

Um it's actually it's a railroad right away, and Ron and I have been working together to come with some sort of resolution on that piece of property.

51:49

Uh if we can't, we'll kind of shift our uh building layout more toward the center of our property.

51:57

Okay.

51:59

Thanks.

51:59

Rich, we've got a motion in our second.

52:02

Jordan, would you give us a roll call vote?

52:05

Councilmember Norbstrup.

52:06

Hi, Nelson.

52:08

Aye, Econger, aye, Johnson, aye, ward, aye, Leibelt, aye.

52:12

Foberg Councilmember Foberg.

52:22

Mayor Shoneman.

52:23

Aye.

52:24

That motion carries.

52:25

Next possible approval.

52:26

Thanks for joining us, Rich of a pay request for the water treatment plant roof improvement.

52:30

It's 486,671 to Skinner Roofing, located in Grand Forks, North Dakota.

52:37

Destin Spellman is here to walk us through that project and how things are going.

52:44

Yes, thank you.

52:45

Um presenting this for water treatment today.

52:47

Uh their uh roof replacement projects about one-third completed.

52:52

Um progress is going good.

52:55

Um just because this hasn't been here for a while.

52:57

Just a quick reminder that we did drop the cost by about 220,000 on the last change order.

53:03

And staff recommends approval move to approve.

53:10

Second.

53:12

Got a motion councilman Liebelt, second, councilman e Conger.

53:16

Any questions?

53:18

Uh the project.

53:19

Jordan.

53:20

Councilmember Foberg.

53:23

Aye.

53:24

Liebelt.

53:25

Aye.

53:26

Ward.

53:26

Aye.

53:27

Johnson.

53:27

Aye.

53:27

Econger.

53:28

Aye.

53:29

Nelson.

53:29

Aye.

53:30

Norbstrop.

53:30

Aye.

53:31

Mayor Shoneman.

53:32

Aye.

53:32

Motion carries.

53:33

Next bills and payroll, payroll period, June 14th through the 27th.

53:39

Take a motion to approve those payments.

53:42

Move to approve.

53:44

Second.

53:45

Motion.

53:46

Econger, second.

53:47

Nilsson.

53:48

Jordan, would you give us a final roll call vote of the evening?

53:52

Councilmember Norbstrup.

53:53

Aye.

53:54

Nilsen.

53:54

Aye.

53:54

Econger.

53:55

Aye.

53:56

Johnson.

53:56

Aye.

53:57

Ward.

53:57

Stand.

53:59

Councilmember Liebelt.

54:01

Aye.

54:01

Foberg.

54:04

Aye.

54:04

Accept the payment to the car back.

54:10

Mayor Shannon.

54:11

Aye.

54:12

That motion carries.

54:13

Next, we've got a city manager's report.

54:16

Dave, what have you got?

54:17

Yeah, thank you, Mayor.

54:18

So today we'd like to recognize Spencer Lux, who works with our parks and rec forestry division for his 10 years of service.

54:26

Done a great job.

54:28

You know, and this year uh they continue to do an amazing job with planting trees in areas that we don't have them and continuing to work on some of those trees that need to be taken down.

54:37

But Spencer's been here 10 years, and we really appreciate his work efforts, and thank you, Spencer.

54:42

Um, you know, this weekend was a great week in the city.

54:45

There were a lot of things that were occurring.

54:47

Uh arts in the park occurred, and I know city staff have an important role in setting that up and helping put that together.

55:00

here uh they continue to do an amazing job with planting trees in areas that we don't have them and continuing to work on some of those trees that need to be taken down but Spencer's been here 10 years and we really appreciate his work efforts and thank you Spencer um you know this weekend was a great week in the city there were a lot of things that were occurring uh arts in the park occurred and I know city staff have a an important role in setting that up and helping put that together so I want to thank city staff for the roles and different um you know activities that we participated in and that was a very successful weekend across the city uh from Wiley Park all the way through you know Melgard Park um lots of activities happening and it was it was it was great so uh can certainly see why we're selected for city of the year uh with all the great things that are happening in our community uh our eighth avenue water tower which we were talking about not look too long ago received uh an update with that uh they're starting to paint that right now and uh if you have an opportunity to look at the mayor's Facebook post you'll see the picture of that going up so before long that dome will be raised by cranes and they'll put a top on it and uh we'll have that uh getting pretty close to completion uh real quickly related to water uh if you looked at the uh our mayor's website you have noticed a great aerial picture of kind of our water reclamation plant and kind of to understand the context of the water that we're experiencing you know in the moccasin creek and the foot creek talking to Amanda our water reclamation director today that water on the foot creek continues to rise and at one point I believe she talked about the flow is going back north in Mox and Crick.

56:09

Basically you know as we're doing construction down there the contractors have built uh an improvised uh structure to kind of hold water away from uh compromising our project down there but we continue to watch that uh destin and I were talking about reaching out to the state engineer to see if there was anything else anticipated for the drawdown in Richmond Lake there's nothing that's concerning us right now from a city standpoint on the compromise of uh list stations and and different utilities or anything like that but we continue to watch the crick uh we're at um north the water flow continues to go down and not long ago we talked about uh how we have water flow meters that we use to to kind of watch or that we fund or pay for and uh I was talking to Amber economic development director about putting those water flow meters on our city website so people can kind of see you know where the rise or decline of those levels are so look for that on our city website to kind of look at that in the future to kind of get an idea where that that is and basically eighth avenue road construction continues we had a construction meeting today and I can let Destin speak to that a little bit but the concrete pour has occurred across the railroad tracks and by all counts that's going well.

57:21

Dustin do you have anything to report on any updates for the 8th Avenue project or North Dakota Street Yeah both projects are are chugging along both are are on schedule uh maybe even slightly ahead of schedule um yeah they got the driving lanes paved on the 8th Avenue and and Roosevelt connection uh they're gonna be prepping asphalt on the shoulders they've dug into for the other bits of the transmission line and um yeah they're they're working the subgrade and put down gravel on Dakota Street so everything is everything is going about as well as you can ask it to thanks for those updates gentlemen appreciate that 50th year for the arts in the park here so quite a celebration down there.

58:08

So thanks for everyone that made that work and thanks as city manager said to Spencer for 10 years of service to the community and the city of Everdee really appreciate that I'd take a motion to adjourn the meeting.

58:21

So moved motion Johnson second ward all in favor please say aye aye aye opposed nay motion carries we're adjourned thank you all very much

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Summary of Proceedings

Aberdeen City Council Meeting – June 22, 2026

The Aberdeen City Council met on Monday, June 22, 2026, at 5:30 PM. The meeting included approval of minutes from June 15, a consent calendar with routine items, multiple resolutions, appointments, presentations, and a city manager's report. Key actions included approving a resolution to apply for additional water tower funding, dissolving a TIF district, updating the employee handbook, and adopting new rules for special alcoholic beverage licenses.

Consent Calendar

  • Routine city business items were approved with a motion and second, with Councilmember Rich abstaining on item 5D. The consent calendar included a notification of the Rivet Family Plot annexation petition, which will proceed to a public hearing at a later date.

Presentations & Recognition

  • Society of 40 Men and 8 Horses presented awards: Law Officer of the Year to Officer Brady Worrell (recognized for proactive patrols and mentorship) and City of the Year to Aberdeen (recognized for support of veterans, memorials, and the upcoming Milwaukee Depot purchase). Both awards have advanced to the national level.
  • State Commander Al Oshner invited the public to a pancake feed on July 4th at the depot and encouraged veterans to join the organization.
  • City Manager Dave recognized Spencer Lux (Parks & Rec forestry) for 10 years of service.

Discussion & Action Items

  • Water Tower Transmission Funding: Ted Dickey (NECOD) presented a preliminary worst-case scenario for a $2.5 million loan at 3.75% for 20 years to cover a funding shortfall for the northeast side water tower project. The city’s current rates would need to increase by $1.75 per user per month if the loan is fully utilized. Dickey estimated the likelihood of receiving grant funding as low. The council voted unanimously to approve Resolution 260606R authorizing the application for drinking water facilities funding.
  • Dissolution of TIF District #8: Created in 2007 to support ADC manufacturing infrastructure, the district’s final debt payment was made in May 2026. Staff recommended dissolution. The council approved the resolution (Councilmember Ward abstained).
  • Reappointment to Airport Board: Anthony Schwann was reappointed for a five-year term ending in 2031. Approved unanimously.
  • City Employee Handbook Update: The resolution adopted a revised employee handbook for non-union employees, aligning benefits (e.g., certification incentives, PTO, callback pay, longevity bonus, referral bonus) with the recently negotiated union contract. Approved unanimously.
  • Appointment to Board of Ethics: Guy Trennhale was appointed to fill a vacancy. Approved unanimously.
  • Public Works Facility Land Purchase: Final payment of an undisclosed amount for a 6.81-acre lot in Roosevelt Business Park was approved, completing the acquisition for the new public works facility. Councilmember Ward abstained.
  • Special Alcoholic Beverage License Rules: Resolution 260605R updated the 2012 rules, clarifying definitions of a sale, limiting applicants to city license holders or qualifying 501(c) organizations, setting fees in the city fee schedule, allowing stacked licenses for multi-day events (max 15 consecutive days), and requiring public hearings for organizational applicants. Approved unanimously.
  • Rezone Petition: Property at 402 15th Street South was rezoned from I2 and C2 to C2 to eliminate split zoning following a replat for a car wash expansion. The Planning Commission recommended approval. Approved unanimously.
  • Bus Barn Engineering Contract: A contract for architectural and engineering services (up to $84,004) for a new bus barn to store 10 vehicles was approved. The federal grant covers $67,236; the city pays the remainder. Approved unanimously.
  • Water Treatment Plant Roof Improvement Pay Request: A pay request of $486,671 to Skinner Roofing was approved; the project is one-third complete and on budget after a $220,000 change order reduction. Approved unanimously.
  • Bills and Payroll: Payroll for June 14–27 was approved (Councilmember Ward abstained).

City Manager's Report

  • Recognition of Spencer Lux (10 years of service).
  • Weekend events: Arts in the Park (50th year) was successful.
  • Eighth Avenue water tower painting is underway; dome raising expected soon.
  • Water levels in Moccasin Creek and Foot Creek continue to be monitored; an improvised structure protects the water reclamation plant construction. City plans to post flow meter data on its website.
  • Construction projects (Eighth Avenue and North Dakota Street) are on or slightly ahead of schedule.

Key Outcomes

  • Approved (roll call): Resolution to apply for $2.5 million water tower funding (unanimous).
  • Approved: Dissolution of TIF #8 (Ward abstained).
  • Approved: Reappointment of Anthony Schwann (unanimous).
  • Approved: Employee handbook update (unanimous).
  • Approved: Appointment of Guy Trennhale (unanimous).
  • Approved: Public works land purchase final payment (Ward abstained).
  • Approved: Special alcoholic beverage license rules (unanimous).
  • Approved: Rezone (unanimous).
  • Approved: Bus barn engineering contract (unanimous).
  • Approved: Water treatment roof pay request (unanimous).
  • Approved: Bills and payroll (Ward abstained).

Meeting Transcript

Five thirty, so it's called the order of this meeting. Jordan, would you start us off with a roll call? Please respond by stating present. Council member Ronane Foberg. Present. Move to approve. Second. Motion leave out. Second. Nilson, all in favor, please say I. I posted. I oppose nay. And motion carries next is the approval of the minutes from the meeting last week, which took place Monday, June fifteenth. I would take a motion to approve those minutes. Second. Next, we've got a consent calendar. We've got a handful of routine city business items. And we did have a question. I'd like you to speak to the clarification on the necessity to have that rivet family plot annexation. Could you just explain where that project is in the process? Sure, Mr. Mayor. The uh petition of voluntary annexation, like any annexation petition, uh first needs to go to city officials for their review and recommendation. And what we do by uh putting it in the consent calendar is just notifying the council that that has come in, and then at some point uh there will be a public hearing. I'm not sure when that date is on this particular annexation petition, but there will be a public hearing and an opportunity for the council to take input before a resolution of annexation. Thank you for that clarification. Appreciate it. Would someone on the council care to make a motion to approve the consent calendar items? So move motion Nelson, second officer. If anyone have any line item abstentions or any other questions, Mr. Mayor, go ahead, Rich. I'll abstain from 5D. Okay. Jordan, have you got that notated? Noted, yes. All right, all in favor, then please say aye. Aye. Aye. Aye. Oppose nay. That motion carries not a single item of old business. We were pretty efficient last time around, so we'll move along to our new business segment where we've got the preliminary presentation on additional funding for the water tower transmission, as well as possible approval of a resolution which would authorize the application for the drinking water facilities funding. We have got a rep from uh NECOD, right? Yes, welcome. Appreciate you joining us here tonight. Thank you, Mayor. Ted Dickey with Northeast Council of Governments. Um, I'm in front of the council tonight. Um, looking for uh passage of a resolution and going to do some preliminary information on uh worst-case scenario. So I'll just give you a little bit of a background here.

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