Now recording.

Thank you.

Good evening.

It is 708 p.m.

on Wednesday, January 7th, 2026.

Happy New Year, everybody, and welcome to our monthly meeting of the Independent Community Police Review Board.

We will through our agenda here.

Um hopefully promptly.

Uh starting with our call to order and roll calls.

So Suzanne Burkey.

Here.

Darling Franklin is absent and excused today.

Chris Lewis, Chair, I am present.

Lawrence Lewis.

Present.

Gino Tool is absent and excused today.

Deborah Porter Secretary.

Here.

Alexis Saccous Vice Chair.

And Jules Tommy Gay.

He is not here yet.

Hopefully he will be here.

You didn't hear from Jules, did you?

I didn't hear from you.

He said he would be online.

Oh.

I don't see him online yet.

Yeah, he just texted us saying he would be online because he has a flu.

Oh we just we just lost the owl, by the way.

All right.

Okay.

Does is he gonna participate as like a voting member?

On the cell phone.

To allow him to participate remotely according to the remote policy.

I don't even know if it's a motion.

I think uh don't we have to vote every time we allow someone to do that?

In the past, I think uh I don't think we've ever done this, I don't need a reason.

Yeah, we've we've done it once or twice, and I did it when I was on the school board, or I mean I don't know why we didn't change it on there almost.

It says that the owl camera is connected, it's just not touching subduing.

No, no, you're not touching it.

Yes, so all it says now is so it's black and it just has your name from this view.

Okay, oh wait, here's the camera button.

Oh, now it's loading.

There we go.

So we're good.

Yes.

All right, and is it still recording?

It is still recording, yes.

Wonderful.

So we got all that in chatter on camera.

Great.

Um, we will look for um is that is that Ashley?

Ashley, can you feel free to interrupt me and let me know if Jules shows up online?

Yeah, I did just get a text from him.

He says, I'll join remotely.

He's just ill.

Um, but it's better he's not there.

Uh I will respond to him and tell him that we're looking for him to join now.

Okay, thank you so much.

And that is our roll call.

Um I will read our introduction and our board's purpose, which is so relevant given the news today.

Um the uh introduction, the creation of the independent community policing review board, ICPRB started with House and City Council Resolution 2950 on June 9th, 2020, which condemned police brutality, systemic racism, reaffirmed that Black Lives Matter, and advocated for justice system reform.

The revolute resolution emphasized the city's duty to protect all communities through action and accountability on April 17, 2021.

The council adopted the an ordinance to create the ICPRB effective July 1, 2021 and established the Office of Alexandria Independent Policing Auditor, AIPA.

Uh and as everyone on our board knows that was in the wake of uh the shooting of George Floyd, and there was another incident today in that town.

So uh Jules is online, Chris.

Thank you, Ashley Jules.

Uh I can't see you, but welcome.

Yeah, thank you.

Um, I'm not feeling well.

Sorry, I'm not gonna be able to be on physically.

No, no, we appreciate you protecting us from your germs.

Yes.

Um Rob.

Well, I'm just gonna ask if there's a motion to allow Jules to participate via electronic meetings.

All right, it's been so moved and seconded to allow Jules to participate through electronic meetings.

Any questions?

All in favor, please say aye.

Aye.

Any opposed.

I just need to let you know that when you do the motion, you need to state the members' name, their reason, and that participation is approved.

Okay.

So before we we don't have to get into details of it, before we carry that motion, um, I should say, is there a motion to approve Jules Town again participating electronically due to illness?

Motion a second.

All right.

So we have a motion and we have a second.

No questions.

Did I cover everything?

Yes, thank you.

All in favor, please say aye.

Aye.

Any opposed?

All right.

Jules, you are now officially allowed to participate uh electronically.

Since I can't see you, you'll just have to speak up and interrupt if you want to get in a word.

Yes, thank you.

All right, welcome.

Thank you.

That's to agenda item number three for purpose.

The ICPRB is an eight member board focus on enhancing trust and will genocide between the police city leadership and the public.

It reviews administrative investigations by the independent police auditor and the Alexander Police Department.

Evaluates policing policies and practices and recommends reforms to address discriminatory practices and inequities to improve public safety.

Everyone should have the meeting agenda.

Is there a motion to approve it?

Motion to approve.

Okay.

So the second to approve the meeting agenda.

Additions to the agenda.

Seeing that all in favor approving the agenda, please say aye.

Aye.

Any opposed.

Agenda's approved.

Everyone should have also the minutes from December, the December 3rd, 2025 meeting.

They're motion.

Uh before the motion, I was in contact with Ashley, and there are four corrections to note.

She's already made them, but it doesn't look like it's on the hard copy.

So the first is adding title to David and City staff present.

Um specifically, I mean make sure I get the title right.

Um deputy city attorney to um clarifying the in the footnote that the board member was excused.

Um under number four, we're moving the comma after secretary, which says seconded by second secretary porter.

And I believe the last one we was under number eight, whereupon a motion by Secretary removing that comment as well.

Great.

I motion that we approve the minutes uh from the December third meeting with corrections.

Great.

Second.

That's been moved and segmented that we approve the minutes from December 3rd with the corrections stated by Sperke.

Any other corrections or questions?

Um correction.

I think a paragraph three.

I think um Debra's name just needs to be rearranged on paragraph three.

Right.

I didn't catch that in three.

We will put Deborah's name in the right order.

All right, or spell properly.

Yeah, that's what it's spelled properly.

Any other corrections?

Okay, all in favor approving the meeting the minutes with these corrections, please say aye.

Aye.

Aye.

Any opposed the minutes are approved.

Okay, this takes us to item on the agenda number six.

Public comment.

Is there anyone?

We'll start online.

Uh, since I can't see online, uh, is there anyone online?

Uh wishes to give public comment.

No, okay.

Is there anyone in the room who wishes to get public comment?

Yes.

Would you please come join us at the end of the table?

Yeah.

And uh tell us who you are, and uh we have uh time to get public comment.

Welcome.

Hi, my name is Bettina Alexander, and um I am uh family member of Alan Tugard, and um I have a question and also um a statement about you know his death.

Statement or question first, your choice.

Okay, um the question.

Um I want to know what is the reason that the actual date for the hearing hadn't been you know announced in their timeline or you can provide you know we is uh delay.

Great.

Uh I'll just answer on behalf of the board and our process.

Um we as a board uh have to wait until um the uh uh the any investigation by the police department or the auditor's office is completed and brought to us, and then we would uh you know review the report, uh whole public hearing, etc.

Um, so we are still in the waiting mode and have not received anything from uh either police department or the auditor's office by way of investigation.

So we remain in waiting mode until we get more.

Um we can also ask the auditor about it when we get to the part of the agenda with the auditors up there.

But that's this that's the stage we are at as a board.

Well, this as far as our statement, I just want to you know the board, but now um get email, but good evening to you all in case you didn't hear me.

Um my name is Fatina Alexander, and I am coming to talk on behalf of Alan Tucker and the family.

Um Alan was a person with work and dignity regardless of circumstances.

Faith teaches us that every life matter and is deserving of care, compassion, and respect.

Alan was deeply loved, his life had value.

Since Alan's death, our family has been grieving while also experiencing prolonged uncertainty.

We have not received clear updates, timelines, or communication regarding the status of the investigation, or when his case will be formally reviewed.

This lack of information has made an RBA painful law even more difficult to endure.

We have been particularly troubling in the sense that because Alan's death is being viewed as a possible drug overdose, his humanity and basic rights are being written off.

Struggle does not define a person's work.

A difficult season does not negate someone's right to medical care empathy or dignity.

Alan was a human being going through a rough chapter of life.

That is precisely why systems of oversight and care exist to help not judge, to protect, not dismiss oversight bodies carry an important responsibility to ensure that vulnerability is met with professionalism and humanity, not assumptions or indifferent jokes or anything like that.

We are not writing to sit seek conclusions through this message.

We are acting for transparency, accountability in a process that reflects the seriousness of a life loss in custody.

Justice requires truth, communication, and follow-through.

Alan Matter is like matter and our family respectfully acts that this process reflect that truth.

Thank you for your time.

Thank you, Ms.

I was in.

Okay.

So long since I'm going to um is there any other public comment in the room?

Okay.

Um if not, we will move on to new business.

Uh which will uh then be followed by the auditors update uh question.

This is a question for the auditor.

So Miss Alexander gave a statement.

If she um if it was a written statement, would she submit it?

Could she submit it to just what she said specifically?

Is there someone she can submit it to you?

Yes.

So we have a general mailbox uh police over site at Alexandria Virginia or Alexandria VA.org that we need to receive public comment or just general inquiries.

So you can you can send us a statement of thank you.

Any other questions before we move on to the board election?

Um second.

All right, um next up uh is new business.

We have two agenda items under new business or board election and uh a report out from Ms.

Turkey on ECSA engagement.

Uh we'll start with the election.

We have three officer positions, the chair, the vice chair, and the secretary.

Um and uh since I am not running for any of those, uh if there's no objection, I'll I'll uh um conduct the elections or moderate the elections.

I don't know this time for it, but yeah.

Um that is there uh open the nominations first for chair of the board.

Is there a nomination?

Yes, I nominate Miss Deb reporter for chair of the ICRD.

The reporter has been nominated.

There are any other nominations.

Any other nominations?

If not, we will close the nominations on Stever Porter.

This was for I would nominate uh Alexa Stas for Vice Chair.

All right.

Well, Stack House has been nominated for vice chair.

And are there any other nominations?

The other nominations.

All right, and we will close nominations for vice chair and open nomination for secretary.

I nominate Ms.

Suzanne Berkey for Secretary, but ICPRB.

Suzanne Berkey has been nominated for secretary.

Are there any other nominations?

Other nominations.

Other nominations.

Okay, we'll close nominations for secretary.

So we have one nominee for each position.

Is there a simple motion to prove this slate as our officers for the year 2026?

All right.

So move and second by Ms.

Steckhouse.

Any questions, objections?

All in favor of uh moving this slate, please say aye.

Aye.

Any opposed?

Congratulations, Mr.

Porter, Ms.

House and Ms.

Berkey.

Thank you for stepping up to lead our board in 2026.

Sorry.

All right, that takes care of board elections.

With that, uh believe I can if you're okay with this, I'll turn uh presiding over to Ms.

Porter.

Congratulations and thank you.

Thank you.

Thank you.

I guess we will just continue with the agenda as it's written.

We'll move on to the auditor update.

I believe it's the engagement.

I'm sorry, yeah, Suzanne.

Engagement with the Alexander City High School PTSA.

We have just up on that.

Yeah, I appreciate it.

And just so everybody knows it's parent teacher student association.

I'll learn that one.

Um so I met with the president of the PTSA over the holidays, and she was very receptive to engagement uh with our board.

And in fact, uh was offering up ideas and how we can engage.

So I just want to run through some.

Um make sure everybody's on on board.

But uh she did offer up that we could come to a PTSA board meeting.

Um the one in January, the mayor is already attending, so I feel like there's already um a speaker there, but I would advocate that we go to the February 23rd one.

Um perhaps we could have two representatives and a montage.

I don't know if you would be able to attend, but I think it would be nice to have a little full representation.

So maybe I would like to go to that one.

Uh I can send the details.

The ultimate would be March 16th, but I think it'd be nice to do it earlier in the year than later.

Um, and if this fits with your community engagement schedule, can you give me the date one more time?

Uh there's one on February 23rd and one on March 16th.

And this would be to the PTSA.

So this would be some parents, and they also do Zoom links uh for those that are not able to attend.

Um what time is that meaning?

That's a really good question.

Uh I want to say it is at 5:30, but I will confirm that.

Uh I've got the dates.

Uh actually, no, I want to say it's probably around seven, but I'll I'll have to confirm the time.

I'm available at evening, so I'm willing to unvailable days.

Wonderful.

Thank you.

I'll get make sure to confirm the time and everything.

There's also Ms.

Burke and we'll say change in the last years.

I think they hold it at the high school in the retundra room.

Yes, that's fair.

So thank you.

It's details.

Um there's also a career fair on January 12th, five at 5:30, and she offered that we could put some of our cards on the table.

Um, you know, just to have access if anybody wanted to put those in.

So I'm happy to offer up some of my cards.

If anybody else would like to have some just to have different representatives there, I'll collect those.

Um can get those anytime.

Um, she also offered to link our page to the AC um HSPTSA website, which I thought was wonderful.

And then we discussed perhaps reaching out uh to the um the high school newspaper, which I was thrilled to see have been nominated or received an award, but it's it's I'm gonna mispronounce it, the theogeny.

Yeah, the agony, see I'm um but if everyone's in agreement, I'm happy to try and reach out to them and see if we can perhaps get some something in the paper for the students.

No, I don't have any difference.

Are you asking or telling us?

Sound like you're telling.

I'm telling that if anybody has any concerns or I just want to make sure that this is acceptable to the board, other ideas.

Um, and again, after I think we have this and discuss with the the PTSA, we could perhaps look and help with the administration if we want to do something, see if we could do something directly to the students.

But this is a starting point.

Do we need a motion to accept those things and agree with them or no?

So this is my take on it.

Nobody asked, but I'll just say it.

Um we we tasked her to be the liaison and then now uh here.

We tasked her to be the Asi and gave her whatever authority she need to do what she wants.

So my thought is if it sounds good for me when we would say so, but otherwise otherwise go with she's been the one in touch with the late with the PTSA and she's had the conversations, so I would trust her judgment.

So if we're if we're voting that vote, yes, agreed.

Okay.

Um then we'll go and if anything does change, I will let everyone know.

But I'll try to confirm the 23rd thank y'all.

Thank you.

Great.

Thank you.

All right, now we will move to item number eight.

Next slide update.

Yes.

This is not new business for today, but is this the time where I could suggest a new business for the next meeting?

All right, everybody.

Hello.

Happy New Year.

Hey, well, Amirati, before you get started.

I should we just lost the owl.

Sorry.

Yeah, absolutely.

It's me.

He's blaming me.

I'm sorry, guys.

No, you're fine.

I mean, it's still anymore.

It is still recording.

I mean, it is still recording, you just don't have the video.

Video, okay.

Uh let me try to hit it one more time, and then if it doesn't work, I'm not gonna stress it.

I don't think it's not that that's just keeping my computer charged.

It's uh yes, everything with the owls on this side.

So it's oh yeah, I don't know what we got.

I promise I will make a note to IT to let them know that this owl is problematic.

Okay and I will also tell you that we have ordered one for the department use for the future, so hopefully it is not as problematic.

I think it's the wiring.

I don't think it's the out like the owl itself.

Okay, there it goes.

Did it make an a noise?

All right.

Okay, it's up.

Continue, guys.

Okay, we're good, y'all.

What's up?

Happy New Year.

Um, so I have uh three things to sort of go over.

I'm gonna start with the um the Alan Tucker update, um, the update on the investigation, and then I'll move into the public hearing and and uh the correspondence that we received from the Submit Funny's office.

So I thought you said something.

No, okay.

Um so I'll begin with Alan Tucker.

The cert investigation.

So the cert is a critical incident response team.

They are the people who lead the criminal investigation.

So they ultimately recommend whether criminal charges can be filed or should be to uh filed against the officers involved to the commonwealth attorney's office.

Their investigation was completed, I believe December 27th.

Um, and we received about a 20-deck slide or PowerPoint uh with their recommendations.

OPR did go back and ask for like a full report from them.

So we're waiting to see whether that report will come from the cert team or if the Commonwealth Attorney's Office will do the report.

But that's the final piece.

Um once we receive that.

Um that'll allow that'll put my office in a position or me in a position to sort of finalize my my report and release it to you all.

Once it's finalized, you all will receive a copy.

The chief of police and OPR will receive a copy, city council will receive a copy, of course the city attorney will receive a copy, and it one will also be sent to the city manager.

Um but obviously under the ordinance, we will make it available to the public as well on our websites.

Just for the the folks in a room for the acronym OPR, could you explain?

Yes, OPR is the internal investigation unit uh at uh APD.

So they are the Office of Professional Responsibility, and they are in was violated by an ABD officer.

Um so the you know how this sort of interacts with the board's review is maybe picking a a date that would be that would allow you all to review the report, right, with enough time, but also give us enough time to notice the public uh for anyone who wants to either participate online or come in person for public comment.

Um I think that either picking a date outside of your February date, so like a late February or your March meeting might be the best date, but that is my recommendation, obviously.

That is ultimately up to you all.

Um question.

Yeah.

Um when you give us your report, for example, the like the cert slides or something now.

Are those attached or okay you will receive everything that I flipped out?

Yes.

You have an idea of when that's gonna come to us.

If we're gonna choose a date to, you know, right.

So um I met with OPR on Tuesday.

They seem to believe we'll have the final report from either the commonwealth attorney or um or the cert team this week.

So I should be able, my goal is to finish my report this month and get it to you all.

So that that's what I'll go with.

So March is a routine board meeting.

We don't have any trainings that might be appropriate.

The it might be at the agenda says we have Napoleon training right there, but should we in March?

Meetings.

Yeah, on this violence.

Okay, okay.

So can we move the training?

I I think that to move the NACO training to do the public review to be appropriate.

Yeah.

So maybe we can talk something about just fine.

So you guys think that the March date is like the March date board meeting is the day you want to do the public review or public thing.

Anyone else on this?

Well, since I'm just trying to give a timeline right.

Um, so help me out.

So that means that prior to that March state, I would think we would have done our own introspection on the on the report.

Or no, I'm trying to I I want to get you all my report before the end of this month, but by the end of this um uh when you all will hold your review, I think needs to take into account not just um the fact that you all need to review the the material, but also we need enough time to promote this.

So we need enough time to you know put it up on the city calendar, make sure people are aware and you know, just inform the public about it.

Okay, so let me let me back from we're saying the end of February.

The board meeting in March is March 4.

That literally gives us a few dates.

Is that what we're saying?

I think you're saying the end of January.

So I'll give us the month of February.

Yes, I was recommending that you either choose another date in February because I think that first board meeting is a little too early or going with your March date.

That's what I'll so I will just remind of the timelines and the ordinance.

Um reading it uh at the conclusion and receipt of the investigation.

The auditor show within 30 days forward a report with summary investigation uh completed by the board.

Um skipping ahead within 30 days of receiving the the auditors review, the board shall hold at least one public hearing on investigation.

So that would still be within the rules of the ordinance of the timelines we're supposed to adhere to.

If assuming that you send us a report, let's say uh end of January or even at our February meeting.

If we're holding our public hearing at our meeting in March, it would be within 30 days of receiving your report if you give it to us at our February meeting, for example.

Yes.

Yes, that would be within 30 days.

If we were to get it in two weeks because you do it so quickly, then we would need March would be outside of the date, we would need to justify why we are delaying it.

Right.

So I just want to put that in front of the my colleagues.

But I I support March, assuming that we get the report closer to our February date.

That's fine.

With the moving of the NACOL training.

With the moving of the nickel drilling, yes.

We just admitted someone online um named Brittany as a guest, just so we're all go away.

Okay, so on the public hearing.

Um we are so there's two things.

There's a letter from the city attorney, and then the first thing I want to address though is creating just consistent, clear rules um about participating in the in the public hearing.

Um this is the first time you all are going to be reviewing a case, right?

Um before people, for example, go before city council, there's certain procedures that they need to, you know, go through.

How do you register?

They also are aware of I guess how long they have to speak, things like that.

So nailing down public comment structure, time limits, um, you know what how evidence should be referenced.

Let's say that there is some personal like information that should be held confidential.

We all should be aware of those things as well.

Um, so we are working with uh I sent an email to Vice Mayor Bagley and the city attorney's office to try to just come up with some standard rules and guidelines for registration.

And once those are um finalized, I can send them to you all and have you all look them over um and provide your feedback as well.

Okay, comment.

Yes, not on on specifically on the public comment structure, but I do know that when we were at the NACAL uh conference, um, on their website, they do have like guidelines or suggested ways that boards can do public meeting.

Right, do public meeting.

Yeah, um uh not the rules of it, but like how to handle questions and different things like that.

So it might be helpful if we all just look at that or refresh ourselves on that, or matter of fact, if you see a version of it that you'd like to send it out to us so that we can all be looking at the same I can do that.

Sorry, I lost the owl again.

No, okay.

That's why we changed the ordinance.

Thanks.

So long as it's recording audio should be.

Yeah, I I wasn't gonna bother you guys with it.

I was just rolling it with the audio because the ordinance allows us to do that, and there's an inability to videotape.

So I was just rolling with it, guys.

Sounds good.

We'll roll with the bunches.

I um since we don't have video, if you do say something, just announce who you are so we get it on uh the audio.

Amarachi, just go ahead and turn your camera off though, because it's at the ceiling.

Oh, got it.

Thanks.

You don't want the pretty um ceiling of Charles Houston recording of okay.

Lastly, is the letter from the city attorney's office uh regarding a conflict.

Uh so last year we did receive um both my office and the police department.

I think the city attorney's office as well receive FOIA requests um from a law firm representing the family.

So we are anticipating litigation is down the line.

Um the ordinance sort of carves out a uh section for uh the city attorney's office to determine that there is a conflict, and once that is the term in the board is then authorized to retain all outside counsel.

Um so they have forwarded a uh list of attorneys to us to reach out to.

I plan to reach out gauge gauge interest first, you know what I mean?

See if this is something that they're interested in in working on.

Um, once that is confirmed, if I start when I start receiving their um like resume information, their background information, I'll send that out to you all.

We can discuss um and and lock down who we would like for representation of counsel.

Yes.

Sure.

So you anticipate a uh us being able to vote on what outside council use it at the February meeting.

Will that be too late?

I think it depends on a lot of timelines and when uh the reports, you know, when the reports are coming out and things like that.

So you can always call a special meeting if you have to.

Um I don't know that February will be too late because although I'm hearing for the first time you say we'll get a final report this week or next week.

I said this month.

Oh, this month, yeah.

Like but a report to us would then come later.

Exactly.

Yeah, yeah.

So I think that the outside counsel will come in related more to your workflows and whatever the state.

That's us.

Yeah, my I mean, my timeline is based on the cert report coming out and then needing to go on to the world.

So that's why I said by the end of this month.

Anyone else any comment on this letter and how we need to move forward?

I think there was some question on as to the actual names that we've been given, that it is limited to just the list that we were provided.

There was a question to the actual name.

The names of the attorneys that we given.

Yes, uh, Cynthia Hudson, Martin Krim and David Jamowitz.

I'm sure I think also the communication we got said here to suggest the names, but if we want to add to that list, we are allowed to.

Oh, yeah.

So yeah, if we have if four members know attorneys we want to add to the list, it can be we could recommend them to Maroc.

Not necessarily.

Oh, I thought that came in the email.

Okay, I would I this statute is clear that the list is um sorry, I'm just trying out with what I sent out.

The statute is clear.

Sorry, I can't should have kept it up.

There we go.

Okay, so city code section states that a list of attorneys recommended by the city attorney.

So we provided a list of people that either have experience with police review boards and or local attorneys who are involved with the with local issues.

Um if there is an attorney that you have a preference for the city attorney can look at that, but ultimately it is it has to be her recommendation based on the city code.

Which city code?

Section 2-4-225A2.

And I sent this in an email to all of you, so you should.

Oh no, it's okay.

It was I sent it this afternoon.

So yeah.

Some have prior um review board experience, but again, like city attorney has not talked to any of these individuals, so we do not know if they are willing or wanting to take on this representation.

Um, or their local government, they have uh experience in local government issues, so they're used to working with public bodies um around those rules and restrictions, FOIA issues and things like that.

Just uh I'll go back and read section two-four-225A2, so I'm clear on it.

But in your experience or knowledge, um let's use this is the first time we've done this, so let's use this as an example.

If I had a name I wanted to suggest, and so it goes to emerato and the city attorney to consider along with the others.

Uh, but the city attorney might say, no, we recommend that one not be included as you suggested is her prerogative.

Uh are there reasons why she can do so, or is it simply her prerogative without any qualification?

It's her prerogative, but I would imagine that she would have a discussion and give reasons, right?

Like I would hope so.

Just give it the importance of the independent, like this is literally about independence from her office, so and the city.

Yes, which is why we do not reach out to any of those attorneys.

We don't have discussions with any of those attorneys, like it's it's is a decision by the city attorney to look at different attorneys.

So none of these attorneys have been contacted, they have no idea that they have been recommended to you, right?

Um, so that we can ensure that there is uh that independence.

But it but it it you see what I'm saying.

I I do and I don't, right?

Like attorneys, although we have attorneys on this board, um the city attorney would have an experience and expertise in knowing who would have the appropriate experience and expertise um to provide adequate legal counsel to the board.

And so we wouldn't want to send the board down a rabbit hole of reaching out to people, and maybe someone does agree to take this task on, but does not have the experience and wouldn't be able to add it really represent you all.

Right.

Then I'm just thinking because you know, not only do we have an attorney on the board.

Uh I have worked with attorneys uh in my previous capacity on the school board with a you know who have experience with sort of these sorts of functions as well.

So I I know firms, you know, so it's just uh that's not to up to the uh the recommendations.

I don't know them, so it'd be great.

So question Do we know how it is that these particular attorneys made this list?

The city attorney looked at attorneys with any area who either have expertise in police review boards and or local government experience and came up with this list.

Any other discussion comment on the signation?

Okay, so I think then what we've know for right now is that you will gather more information and then you will provide us with resumes and more details about each of the attorneys first to then dive in a little bit deeper.

Yes, I received their contact information this morning, so I'm working on reaching out to them again, gauging interest first, and then we'll move from there.

I'll ask for them their resumes and their background, things like that.

And once I receive that information, it'll be available.

So potentially there may not even be interest to potentially, yes, or capacity, maybe right.

Um, but that's yeah, something we all we we gotta find out, yeah, first.

So okay.

So this will be an item on our agenda again for February sure.

It will, yes.

That was the last point um on my auditor update, but I'm here for any questions as well.

Anyone have any other questions for the auditor while we have her here?

Oh, why should anybody not move the artist in brought to the public?

Um you already had our public comment, but you're more than happy to join us at our next meeting as well.

Or you can just reach out to our or you can reach out.

We can also set up I'm done.

Uh one last question.

Yes.

Uh we heard in public comment about the importance of transparency and timelines.

Uh obviously, this is the first one, so we're we're setting timelines now for the first time we've ever done this.

Uh, but do you have recommendations or or could you provide some in the future on how we can be more transparent about our timelines um with future cases?

I think it's difficult when we're waiting right for the cert team, and the cert team doesn't really and they're waiting on other entities to finish their investigation.

So, for example, we were waiting for the medical examiner's office to get back to the cert team with their report.

Um, and for a long time we didn't know when the medical examiner would finish their conclusions.

So I think because there's just so many agencies involved, that's why the timeline has been murky.

Um I'm also I did want to put out a second press release just saying, hey, we're still looking at this, but I also I didn't want to just put information out there if nothing had changed.

I wanted to, I wanted to wait to say something when I actually have something to say.

For example, when we have the board meeting set or the public hearings that announce it then, or when we have those clear guidelines on how to register for public comment included in that next press release, things like that.

So yeah.

Uh not for now or this meeting, but I have some ideas that might take some structure new organizing to create it, but I have some ideas on some things that I do.

So I'll I'll bring to you and the chair and uh but thank you for all your answers.

Yeah.

Um, excuse me, I have a question.

Yes, go right ahead.

It's like if it's a public absolute list.

Who is it?

Was it uh was that Ashley or was that Brittany?

No, this is um this is Brittany who joined after public comment period.

Uh Brittany, I I'm so sorry, you joined after the public comment uh section of the meeting, uh and we're no longer taking public comment.

Um it's probably something that you already discussed.

It I literally you can email us at uh policeoversight at alexandria virginia.gov, and we'll be we'll be able to get back to you.

You guys were emailed last week and I went without a response, which is why I'm on this meeting today.

Okay.

My question was literally in regards to the Alan.

Um if you could please resubmit your question again and allow the auditor's office to respond to you because unfortunately the public comment portion of this meeting has already passed.

We're happy that you attended and would love to engage with whatever your concern or question is, but we do need to do it in the proper way.

Okay, so we will auditor the auditor is finished with the update.

If there are no further questions for the auditor, Laurence, did you have uh motions?

Okay.

Um then we will move on to item number nine, agenda items for next meeting and schedule.

Uh we want to confirm that upcoming meeting for February 4th, it is a board meeting and a NAPO training.

Uh part one and APB training, and then March 4th, which we've already said that we will push back that night call training.

Is that correct?

Yes, the March 4th NAPOL training will be pushed back, and at that meeting we will have the public hearing for the matter of the in-custody death.

Yes.

My understanding from the last from the December meeting is that our AP training is not on the fourth, but that we're doing APD training on Saturday, the 28th, or at least I suppose for February that was discussed at the December meeting.

The dates that were found to be Princess States and we found the 28th was a day that we can have seven out of date members there to do a day long APD training, and that the auditor was then gonna go back and work with the police department on that.

Let's pull those meeting notes and see what we've got.

Sorry, yeah, we miss more business.

We're um February 28th, exactly right.

So we need to need a motion to change that information that's on the agenda today.

Uh I don't know that we need a motion, it's just correcting the facts of the the agenda is wrong.

Uh but so the APD training will not be on February 4th.

The APD training will be on February 28th, 2026 after Alexandria for weekly part.

We haven't heard anything different from the police that that wasn't doesn't work.

No, we haven't.

Okay.

They signed off on that date.

Yeah.

I'm sorry, guys.

That's a no that was an oversight on my part.

I that was a complete oversight on my part.

My apologies, guys.

Thank you, Ashley.

So just to reiterate, February 4th will be NAPOL training.

February 28th will be um APD training.

And March 4th will be the public hearing.

That NAPOL training will be moved to another date, which will be on a future addenda.

Moving on to number 10, announcements.

Reminders, if any board member cannot attend a scheduled meeting, please alert all parties to ensure staff can take the necessary action as needed, no less than two days prior.

And we must maintain a current status for all city security training assigned.

Failure to comply could result in the loss of access to the city email addresses by ITS.

Board business cannot be sent to your personal email addresses.

Um, I also just want to mention that we have the testation forms today to be able to fill out your from your write-alongs and those can be turned in today, correct to the auditor.

Okay, please check your uh MS Outlook email calendar regularly for updates regarding upcoming related community engagement activities as well as other information shared by IAPA staff.

Uh any other comments, questions before we adjourn the meeting tonight.

Uh if I could just say um just a wrap, you know, everything around.

I know that we had some people wanting to participate after the public comment period.

So just making it clear for people who may watch this recording in the future.

You can email us at policeoversight at alexandria.gov.

You will receive a response.

I did get Ms.

Tucker's um inquiry and I responded to her the next day so um just keeping in mind that that is a way that you can always reach staff moving forward thank you appreciate that all right so we will I motion to adjourn the meeting this evening at 758 meeting adjourned motion motion can so you should like all in favor all in favor aye aye motion carries meeting adjourned okay ashley just so you know the motion was by Deborah and the second was by Alexis.

Thank you so much and proper the motion was by Chris sorry yeah try to avoid the person presiding getting motions okay I was always so Chris was the first who was the second uh alexis okay thank you so much I appreciate all right no problem