Good evening, everybody.

We're happy to have you join us this evening.

Thank you so much.

We're gonna go ahead and call this meeting to order at 602 for the independent community policing review board on March 4th.

And we have a quorum, so we are gonna go ahead and move forward.

Um Secretary Suzanne, if you would do roll call.

Suzanne Burkey here, Carolyn Franklin?

Here Lewis?

Here Lawrence Lewis.

He's absent.

He's absent for right now.

Absolutely.

Um here.

Sorry.

Deborah Porter?

Here.

Alexa Stockau?

Here.

And Joel's to make it.

I'll present except for Lawrence Lewis.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Umber Derek.

Can I get you to read the introduction and board purpose?

Sure.

Thank you.

The creation of the independent community.

I wasn't expecting to read.

Sorry.

It's okay.

Okay.

The creation of the independent community police and review board started with the Alexandria City Council's resolution 2950 on June 9, 2020, which can dim police brutality and stimic racism, reaffirming that Black Lives Matter and advocated for justice system reform.

The resolution emphasized the city's duty to protect all communities through the action and accountability.

On April 17, 2021, the council adopted the ordinance to create the ICPRB effective July 1st, 2021, and establish the office of the Alexandria Independent Policing Auditor.

AI PA Purpose.

And the police Alexandria Police Department evaluates policing policies and practices and recommends reforms to address discriminatory practices and inequities and to improve public safety.

Thank you.

Okay, we will move to item number four, the approval of the meeting agenda.

Can we get a motion for that?

I move to chip.

Can I move to add something to the agenda?

Yes.

Our police training.

Yeah.

That's all right.

She's probably planning on talking about it anyway.

Okay.

Can we get a second for that?

Second.

All in favor?

Aye.

Aye.

Opposed?

Okay.

The motion passes to add the police training under the auditors update.

Any other updates or changes to the agenda before we vote on that?

Okay, motion to approve the agenda with the edits.

Sure.

Yes.

All in favor?

Aye.

Aye.

Any opposed?

All right.

So the agenda is accepted with the edits.

We'll move on to item number five, which is approval of the minutes from the January 7th and the February 18th meeting of 2026.

So we'll start first with January 7th.

Motion to accept minutes or any comments, questions?

Question?

Yes.

Do we have missing?

Do we typically note the tardiness of board members if they were present?

No.

Is that happening?

It's on the January 7th board.

It's I don't know that it's necessary.

I'd love to just delete the note on targetness.

Especially since it was only like a few minutes.

Can we get a second?

Second.

All in favor?

All right.

Aye.

Opposed.

So we will have that portion of the minutes from January 7th taken off of the minutes.

So let me comment on that.

I think this is the third time we've addressed that.

Okay, so that should not be on these minutes.

Thank you.

Any other comments?

Questions, concerns about the minutes from January 7th.

Second.

All in favor?

Aye.

Aye.

Any opposed?

Motion passes for passing both the minutes from January 7th with the edit and February 18th of 2026.

Great.

Let's go ahead and move on to public comments, which is number six on the agenda.

We want to welcome many of the family, friends, community members in the Alan Tucker death investigation.

We know that this family has had its share of frustrations during this process of the investigation, and so we don't take the loss of life lightly at all.

And this board is moving forward with the instructions of the ordinance and processing through the investigation.

The public comment section is this is part of our regularly scheduled meeting.

Public comments are limited to three minutes per person.

You are not allowed to pass on any leftover time to the person coming behind you.

What we have done before, at least on the speaker's form, it is suggested that after 30 minutes, any other additional comments are placed at the end of the meeting.

I would like to move that we allow all public comments to happen in this public comment section of the meeting today.

If I could have a second second, all in favor?

Aye.

Any opposed?

Okay.

So we will go ahead and begin with the speakers, and I will just call them as they are listed.

If the person is here, they can come forward.

These two seats are available.

If not, I will just move on to the next person, and then we'll go back to see if they show up later.

So we have first on this list Sandra Jones and Mac White Jr.

Mr.

Chair Register.

Yes.

I just wanted everyone to be aware that this meeting is being recorded.

Just so everyone's awareness is being broadcast now, and it will be put up on the website later.

Thank you.

Good evening.

Good evening.

I'm delivering this message to you all with a heavy heart to express the profound grief and devastation my family continues to endure every day following the tragic death of my son Alan Tucker while in the custody of the Alexander Police Department.

No parent should ever have to bury their child under such circumstances.

What makes this loss even more unbearable is knowing that Alan repeatedly pleaded to go to the hospital and was ignored.

He asked for medical help, and those cries were neglected.

Demonstrate what I can only describe as inhumane.

Their failure to respond with urgency, compassion, and basic human decency helped to contribute to my son's death.

It is deeply disheartening to know that Alan was in the care and control of individuals sworn to protect and serve.

Law enforcement officers carry not only authority but responsibility.

The officers' actions and inactions demand accountability.

This is not only a failure in judgment, but a failure in humanity.

Leadership establishes the standards for departmental conduct, making it essential that police chief McGuire implements stronger training, better oversight, and accountability within the force to prevent future incidents of this nature.

No family should have to experience this kind of preventable tragedy.

The officers involved must be held accountable for their actions due to being incompetent.

In the midst of my heartbreak, I would also sincerely like to thank Miss Kamara of the independent police auditing office for her professionalism, integrity, and diligence in handling the investigation findings related to Alan's death.

Her thoroughness and respect throughout this difficult process have provided a measure of reassurance during another devastating time.

Kamara deserves acknowledgement for upholding the highest standards of accountability and assuring my son's case was handled with the seriousness that it deserved.

Well, not to get Bray Allen back.

I remain committed to seeking accountability and manifold meaningful change in his memory.

Thank you.

Thank you, Mrs.

Jones.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Yes.

Thank you.

Thank you, Mrs.

Jones.

Fatima Alexander is the next person on the list.

That's her right here.

Oh, great.

Hello, Miss Alexander.

Hello, how are you?

We just called your name.

We would love to have you just sit right here.

Okay, all right.

We can come back to you if you'd like.

Yes, hello.

Can you hear me?

Yes, we can hear you, Mr.

Jones.

Go right ahead.

You have your three minutes beginning now.

My statement was first question is in regards to Alan Tucker case.

When will the footage and statements of all involved officers involved in the situation be released to the public?

I'm sorry, Mr.

Jones.

This portion of the agenda and of the meeting is for public comment.

We're unable to take QA at this moment.

But if if you would like, we would like to allow you your full three minutes to make any comment you'd like about that particular topic or any other as it pertains to the untimely death of Mr.

Alan Tucker.

All right.

Thank you, Kyle.

Would you like to make any other comment?

Okay.

Thank you so much.

We now have Desarine James.

Did I pronounce that correctly?

Desireen James.

Valentino Bardre.

Gerelle Tucker.

Is Jarel Tucker in the room?

You're a Tucker.

Yes.

Is he here?

Yes.

Would you like to come up and make a comment?

This is your moment to make your comment here in public comment section.

Is it going?

Oh, okay.

Alright, we'll keep going through.

We'll come back to those that aren't here at the moment.

Uh Mehdi Banyaya.

Javon Moore.

Is Javon Moore in the room?

Danielle Tucker.

Is Danielle Tucker here yet?

I'm not in the room.

I'm currently on the Zoom.

Um but I just actually had questions I wanted answered, but you're saying you're not doing a QA.

That is correct.

But if you would like to make any comment about those questions or what they're pertaining to, or your opinion on them, we would receive those comments at this time.

You know, I just feel as though, you know.

The police are supposed to be there to serve and protect, and they were obligated to take Alan to the hospital after he asked numerous times.

What are we gonna do about that?

What are we gonna do about those officers that did not follow that protocol?

I just want justice to be served for my cousin because he did not deserve to have what happened to him happen.

And I just want to know when we're gonna finally have some answers.

That's all I have to say.

Thank you very much, Miss Tucker, for your comment and for your time.

Thank you so much.

Alan Tucker Sr.

Hello, Mr.

Tucker, would you like to come forward and make a comment?

No.

Not at this time.

Okay, thank you so much.

Alisha Calcy.

Alicia Kalcy.

She's in here.

Okay.

Clifton Johnson.

Is Clifton Johnson in the room?

Donia, D-O-U-N-I-A.

Is Donia in the room?

Batoul, B-A-T-O-U-L.

Is Batul in the room?

Jalen Carufel.

Is Jalen here?

Gerald.

Gerald listed as a family member.

Is Gerald in the room?

Sako, S-A-C-O.

Sandra or Sandra.

Hello, would you like to come forward and make a comment?

I already did.

Oh, okay.

Is that okay?

I have you listed twice, ma'am.

Thank you so much.

Brenda Jones.

Is Brenda here?

Yes.

Hello, Brenda.

Would you like to come up?

We would love to have you.

Thank you.

I am uh Alan Tuckers.

He said he was not in that case.

Um I just wanted to know the same thing.

Why doesn't he take them to Alexandra hospital?

I don't know if that could have saved him or not, but he should have been taken to the hospital.

That's all we want to know.

Yes, ma'am.

And when will we get the answers that we need to know these things?

When will we get the answers?

It won't be tonight, so when would it be?

Yes, ma'am.

We do have um in a different portion of the meeting tonight, some information that may help to get us more information concerning your question.

But as of this moment, I do not have an answer for you.

And then the other question I had is why was he left in the patrol car so well?

Even though they would change his chefs, he still shouldn't have been left that long.

I'm supervised at that.

Yes, ma'am.

And I'm quite sure if it was any of your family members.

You would want justice.

You would have the same questions.

Yes, ma'am.

So I'm hoping tonight or soon that we get some answers.

I thank you for your patience, and I thank you for letting us come.

Yes, ma'am.

Thank you for coming.

Alan has some issues, but he still was human.

He had rights.

Just like all of us.

Please take this into consideration.

This is just not another black male.

And I thank you for listening to me.

Yes, ma'am.

It's hard on my sister.

It's hard on all it's been very.

This has been a hell.

You all just don't know.

And I'm hoping and praying that God will give you some mercy and help us tonight.

Thank you.

Yes, ma'am.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Thank you, ma'am.

Someone's coming in there.

Good evening.

Mac White.

Okay, anything to add?

Thank you.

Alice Pope.

Just good time.

Wonderful.

Good evening, Miss Pope.

How are you?

You have your three minutes that begins now.

Thank you.

You're welcome.

Thank you for hearing us this evening and hearing the concerns of the community.

Our main thing for my heart right now is the idea that we never want to see this happen to anyone else.

This was someone who was in mental health crisis.

Whatever the mental health issue was, it was a crisis.

And that there was a cry for help that wasn't needed.

And I don't know what systems are in place already.

Or if we need to review those systems to see if what can we do to make sure this never happens again?

This is a young man who was influential in his community who had made some mistakes but got his life together and was helping other people to do the same thing.

When we talk about creating generational wealth and getting a plan to do that and having a young person who's doing that, that's a wonderful thing.

Let's make sure this never happens to anybody else and be accountable to the community in the way that you all have been set up to be able to do because you know that in this day and age, this is a great need for our community.

So thank you.

Yes, thank you.

Thank you, Ms.

Moranda Fields.

Hello, how are you back on?

Hello.

I have my speech written down so I'm over here.

Three minutes, two minutes.

Yes, you're three minutes behind.

And take me back off.

It's at least.

This is pretty much what I had this at.

Alan Tucker did not run from the police.

He called them.

He called because he believed someone was in his home with a gun.

He was scared.

He was in distress.

And on the video, we hear him ask multiple times to go to the hospital.

He said he needed help.

So I asked Plainy.

When a citizen called 911 for help and repeat, he asked to go to the hospital.

What is the protocol?

There may have not been visible blood, but there were clear signs of mental distress.

The female officer repeated several times.

He is tripping bad.

If she believed he was tripping bad, then she recognized something was wrong.

But he was cooperative.

He said he called them for help, not to be arrested.

He said he was scared.

He made sure his father was safe.

He asked his brother.

He asked his brother be notified.

He wanted the house locked.

Does someone completely out of their mind think about those things?

Was the CRT notified?

And why was it not used?

If not, were officers properly trained on when to deploy it?

When Alan asked for a sergeant, the officer told the when Alan asked for a sergeant, the officer told the sergeant, sweet talk him.

What does that mean?

If officer are trained in crisis response, why describe the escalation that way?

Then we hear the same officer say, I didn't come to work for this.

For what?

For a man in crisis?

For someone asking for medical help.

Mental health cars are not an inconvenience.

They are part of public service.

Instead of a medical evaluation, he was told he was going to jail to seep it off.

Sadly, he slept to death.

But he was transported to Pitch Center and left in a vehicle in a sally port.

A deputy is heard saying, turn off your vehicle.

Is there a written protocol requirement vehicles we turned off in a sally port?

Was covered monoxide considered?

What is the monitor protocol for someone left in a patrol vehicle?

Throughout the video video, he was yelling and kicking.

At some point, that stopped.

Did anyone notice?

No, because they were looking at their phones.

Instead of checking to see if he was calming down or was something medically wrong.

But someone asked for help, but it takes him to jail instead of a hospital.

The left and a candidation that may pose risk.

That is not tragic.

That is accountability.

Alan took a call for help.

He asked for a hospital.

He was taken to jail and he died in custody.

The community and family deserve transparency answers, not vague responses, not closed door reviews, transparency.

That's all I wanted to say because at the end of the day, I work with mental health and substance abuse, and I know this is a real thing.

And we she is he is tripping.

That's something that was used in the black community that people ignore.

He was crying for help, but yet he got sent to the hospital.

Then to sweet talk.

What does that mean?

Just to pacify him for he can move on with his business?

No.

That's something that he was he was asking for help.

And I feel as though as a um city of Alexander taxpayer and resident, if I have a crisis on my child help of crisis, or if they member, I don't feel confident that I can call 911 to get a CRT person to come to my house to help the estimate the situation, not knowing they may take my child or family or whoever to jail, and they may die instead of getting them help where they need the most.

And he and Alan Tucker needed help, and I think that somebody felt him that he could have still been here.

That's what I had to say.

Thank you, Mandy.

Thank you.

Can you leave your statement?

Of course.

Great.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Miranda Fields.

Oh, that wasn't a good thing.

That was you, okay.

Just want to make sure.

Nope, you're fine.

No, that was fine.

Belisia Tucker.

Any of you members of the Independent?

Community police.

You board.

Good evening.

How are you?

I'm fine.

I'm Alan's aunt.

Imagine receiving a call at 2 a.m.

in the morning.

Devastation.

I'm also a city of Alexandria employee.

29 years.

I was at the table negotiating a union contract for city employees when this tragedy struck.

I don't want to make this about me.

Or bash the organization as a whole.

Because the current administration, I feel have taken strides to put make it better for the city of Alexandria employees.

The family wants accountability.

Answers, transparency.

Alan's death won't be in vain.

We will fight and pray until we receive the justice that he deserves.

Officer training, policies and procedures in place to prevent such a tragedy from happening again.

Lastly, I would be remiss if I didn't acknowledge the team that I worked with in negotiating a contract led by Deputy City Manager Alicia Purdue.

The love that I received upon returning back to work.

But imagine having to come back to an organization that felt your family now.

But God, but God.

He knew that was his last ride of life.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Oh, just Kiana.

Yes, good members.

Is Kiana in the room?

Kiana.

Thank you.

Thank you.

You got it.

Okay.

Thank you, Daniel.

Thank you.

Hello, how are you?

I was stepping on it.

Your three minutes begins right now.

Okay.

Kind of nervous.

So we can't find people.

But Alan is my friend.

And I he should be here today.

He shouldn't be on my shirt at all.

He was a loving son.

He's a brother.

He was such a helpful person.

With such a gorgeous spirit.

We have the same birthday.

He should have been there celebrating our birthday together.

I just have so many questions that is unanswered.

I just feel as though a shift change shouldn't have been a reason why he's not here today.

You don't see nobody dying in the hospital about a nurse having a shift change.

He was loved.

He never met a stranger.

Anybody who met him, talked to him, was in his presence, felt the love that he gave.

So I just I just need answers.

I'm not at peace.

I don't think nobody is.

We just want justice for Alan.

And I don't think we will ever be at peace with it.

And it's just so hard to deal with.

And I hope we get those answers today, God willing.

Or soon.

And thank you for letting me speak.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Are you going back down the list?

Yes.

What's your name?

Ricky Tucker.

Britney Tucker.

And Britney Tucker.

Okay.

Tyreek Tyler.

Brittany Tucker and Tyreek Jones.

Okay, you'll be next.

I'm gonna be on.

That's okay.

That's absolutely fine.

Good evening.

Um my name is Desre James, and I'm here to talk about Alan Tucker.

The footage shows that Alan was left handcuffed and seatbelted in the back of a police cruiser in the South Port of Alexandria Police Department for nearly an hour during a sip change.

Officers were standing right outside of that vehicle.

Before that, he asked for help multiple times.

Those requests were ignored, and he was taken to the jail instead.

For nearly 10 minutes, there was complete silence before anyone checked on him.

This was not a split-second decision.

This was not chaos.

This was time passing.

This was in action and this was preventable.

He's not just a case file.

He was a man that's loved deeply.

It doesn't eliminate the duty of care once someone is in police custody.

Law enforcement had a constitutional duty to provide medical care and monitoring to Alan.

They have the authority to take someone into custody for immediate assessment and treatment when they observe signs of crisis or need for any medical evaluation.

Alan Tucker was owed medical care that day.

And once restrained, those officers' badges should not be used as a shield against accountability.

There is nowhere else really to direct the rage and the grief that a lot of people are feeling.

And so we come to this board and we're just asking that someone be held accountable.

You guys have the authority to recommend corrective action and ensure accountability, and that's all we're asking for.

Alan's life mattered.

His death was preventable.

And we deserve answers that match the weight of what we lost.

This community deserves to know what policies fail that night and what will change so this will never happen again.

So I just simply asked this board one question.

For each decision that contributed to this outcome, what account accountability measures, if any, are being pursued.

Because we're tired of the sympathy.

You don't want that, we just want answers.

And that's it.

Thank you.

Can you send your comments?

Sorry.

Can you email your comments to the independent police reading board?

Okay, a copy of it.

Okay.

Thank you.

Miss Brittany Tucker.

And is this Mr.

Tyreek Jones with you?

Thank you.

I can certainly.

Yes, your three minutes starts right now.

Good afternoon.

My name is Brittany Tucker.

I am Alan Tucker's sister.

My brother Alan died in the custody of Alexandria Police Department.

He was alive when he entered their custody.

He should have been protected.

Instead of my brother being returned to us whole, we were returned with the handcuffs that he was arrested in.

And the seatbelt that was cut off of him to pull him out the car for CPR.

This is what we were returned with.

How traumatizing.

Alan was not a case.

He was not an incident.

He was a human being.

A son, a brother, an uncle, a pillar to our community, someone whose life had value.

When the state takes someone into custody, it assumes an absolute duty of care.

That duty is not optional.

It is not conditional.

It is absolute.

Once Alan was in their custody, his safety was their responsibility, and that responsibility was broken.

I watched him beg, plead, and cry to be taken to the hospital.

I watched officers only come to his aid after they realized their reckless mistake.

Two officers, two main officers who failed him.

Officer Chelsea Henry, her second critical incident within a year.

Mutted her body camera multiple times, ignored his pleas for help while he sat in distress.

She spoke more to him after he was already dead and CPR was being performed than she did while she stood by, knowing he was in need of medical attention.

She spoke despairingly about him, violated multiple department policies.

Officer William McGuinness.

He also fell to monitor Alan for a damaging amount of time.

Mutted his body camera, which is not his first time, spoke despairingly about Alan, also in violation of multiple department policies.

Two officers, repeated incidents, clear policy violation, negligence, and they still have jobs.

Compliance with the flaw system is not accountability.

Justice is not an investigation, a report or careful wording.

Justice is consequences.

Vague promises about review and training are meaningless.

I want specifics.

What policies will change?

What medical protocols will be strengthened?

What supervision failures will be corrected?

What deadlines will be set?

Without measurable change, Alan's death becomes paperwork, not a human life loss.

Display his life represents more to you.

What you decide now will show whether accountability in this city is real or whether it only exists in words.

You send your condolences.

You say my brother's life mattered and hold them accountable.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Thank you, Matthew.

Thank you.

Can you email?

Hello, Mr.

Tucker.

Would you like to speak?

Man, hello.

Yeah.

And terrible.

Wanna say good evening to the board.

Thank you guys first and foremost for taking y'all time out.

You can do this for us.

I know we appreciate y'all to the utmost.

We love y'all.

I'm Tyreek Jones.

This is Alan Tucker Singh.

Alan and I's father.

We want to first and foremost give glory to God first.

And secondly, we want to give thanks to the new police and auditor, Miss Kamaru, for her tremendous work ethic, her integrity, her unbiased efforts and working towards accountability and was right.

She's exactly what's needed for the community.

I could be up here all day if I had to speak on my brother's character, his charitable ways, his his charismatic charm, and that big heart of his.

I can be up here all day if I had to tell y'all what Alan meant to meet, his loved ones in this community.

But as you all can see here today, and over the course of this process, that boy's soul speaks loud and clear for itself.

But today I do want to speak on how devastating this losses affecting my father here.

How much of a toll is taken on him?

Alan was his caretaker, his nurture, and his support.

After my father suffered two strokes on both sides of his brain in May 2024.

Alan led the way and made sure we stepped up like sons and men that we are and honored our father like the Lord expects us to.

And secondly, I want to speak on those who chose to neglect instead of protect.

I'm not here to judge anybody because that's only God's job.

But new courses and new training need to be implemented.

Better judgment analysis needs to be shown.

Higher standards needs to be set and meant for those sworn bodies who suppose the holding up holding oath and abide by policies.

There should be zero reasons why an officer of the law that is expected to protect first and serve later.

Can't identify the differences between dealing with mental health issues, drug abuse manner, or a criminal manner.

I have many friends and family and people in my community today that's struggling with life in itself today, that might be going through anything, that might have their own drug problem, that might have their own substance abuse or mental health issues.

And we just want to make sure that there's no other Alan Tucker the second out there that's in distress, asking for help or ask for a hospital.

So enough, so there's not another little brother like me that has to sit on that speaker phone with them police officers and my brother telling Alan, they got you, you okay?

Just to not get that help.

So that backseat of that police car don't have to turn it to his last ride or a casket.

So the next person's life don't have to be lost just because of shift changes or avoid push of paperwork.

I want to again thank each and every one of y'all for taking y'all time with us.

And I just want to give glory to God first and foremost, and secondly, you want justice for Alan Tucker.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Thank you.

I'll be giving that to you guys.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Valentino Balgray.

Is Valentino in the room?

Jarel Tucker.

Jarel Tucker.

Is he here?

Mehdi Banyaha.

M-E-E-H-D-I-V-E-N-Y-A-H-Y-A.

Javon Moore.

Javon Moore in the room.

Clifton Johnson.

Danielle Tucker.

She already.

Did she go?

Okay.

Batool, B-A-T-O-U-L.

Batul B.

You don't want to speak.

Okay.

Thank you.

Donia, D-O-U-N-I-A.

Would you like to speak?

You can come up to these chairs, right here.

Your three minutes begins right now.

I don't know if you saw but um I have known Alan since elementary school, and um what happened is very unfortunate, but also I feel like that could have been prevented.

Um had they took in the right precautions.

Um obviously it no, they didn't take the right precaution because he's no longer with us unfortunately.

Um it's okay.

Um it affect every single one of us.

Um just one justice for him.

Um just pretty much it.

Justice for Alan Tucker, all of us are um I just wish the cops could have done something differently.

But instead they chose to spend on that with all I have to say.

Well, then I don't think they should be working for the county.

That's not happening.

Thank you.

Thank you.

He's not here.

Is Gerald here?

No last name given.

Gerald Sacco or Seiko S-A-C-O, no last name given.

S-A-C-O.

Kiana.

Our thing.

You spoke, okay.

Is there anyone that would like to speak whose name we did not call?

Yes.

Is that someone we've got someone in person, and then we'll take the person that's online.

What is your name online?

Um Kiwani Simmons.

Say it again, please.

Pwani Simmons.

Ke Wani Simmons.

Okay, you will be next.

You'll be next.

We'll let you know when it's your turn.

Hello, can you state your name first?

Tyler Maddox.

Tyler Maddox, your three minutes begins now.

Okay, good evening.

Um, my name is Tyler, and I'm here um on behalf of the life of Alan Tucker at the second.

Um, I met him through a business that he runs in the community, which he's helping do a lot of things with my finances and um like improving my credit and things of that nature.

Um, over the time of him helping me with that, I grew uh part of more of a personal relationship with him, being so he was in a relationship with one of my close friends.

Um so I I have a lot of questions.

Um, Alan was taken into police custody from his home while in custody, he asked for medical help that was not provided.

Instead, during the shift change, he was left restrained and in the back of a police vehicle for an extended period of time.

Um, during that delay, Alan unfortunately lost his life and passed away.

Um he is very young and he should have been alive today.

This is not just about a single tragic outcome, it's about systems, policies, and decisions that failed someone who was clearly in distress.

When a person is taken into custody and asked for medical attention, that should trigger immediate action and not delay.

We are here because transparency has been limited, communication has been unclear, and accountability feels absent.

The family deserves to understand why medical care was delayed and who was responsible for monitoring Alan and what protocols were followed.

Some of the questions that I have to ask is what is the official policy when a person in custody requests medical attention?

Does a shift change allow officers to delay medical transport?

Who is responsible for monitoring his condition while he is restrained in the back of a police vehicle?

What medical training do officers receive to recognize signs of cardiac distress or medical emergency?

How long is too long before a detained detainee to remain in a police vehicle, especially while in distress?

Um, one of my questions was body cam footage reviewed, in which it was.

Does his life really matter?

And will you guys take it into consideration?

Nowadays we see things like this happen every single day.

Um and as the world continues to turn, things continue to become more and more scarce.

In a community that we live in, this is one of the last things that we want to see when we feel like these are the people that we should call to protect us.

Um raising as a as a mother myself, raising a minority kid in a community like this is a big thing.

Not only for adult men that lose their life, but for young minority moms that are bringing up young African American kids in our community.

Um and I think that this is a systematic problem that needs to stop.

And the only way that it will stop is if we implement change and have changed in our policies and some of the things that we see happen in our everyday world.

So I would ask that you continue continue to take his life into consideration.

Um, and that you see that all of the people in this room are here to support, and that there will not be another statistic, and there will not be another human life that has not been taken seriously.

And that's all I ask of you guys.

So thank you for your time.

Thank you.

Thank you so much for being here.

Email your statement.

Can you email that statement on the forum, correct?

Online.

Yes.

Thank you.

Once I've got someone online, and then you'll be next, okay.

Miss Kowani Simmons, did you want to speak now?

Your three minutes begins as you begin.

All right.

Um, yes, I'm Alan's cousin.

Um, Sandy is my first cousin.

Um, I just think that the part where he was asking for help um before he left the apartments and him being sitting in that car, and he kept asking for help, and they're just moving like nothing is going on, and nobody checked on him.

I just don't know how um these people can sleep at night, and you you know, we're part of this.

He this could have been a different outcome.

And I just look at my cousin's family and how they're hurting, and they are hurting every day.

This has changed her life forever.

It has changed his brother's life forever, his sister's life forever.

We have lost other family members, and some of you maybe may not have lost a child.

I've never lost a child, but I think that has to be the worst thing in the world.

Your life will never be the same.

They suffer every day while these people who could have prevented it go on with their lives every day.

And I do believe that cops and different people, um, I don't feel like they're all bad people.

I feel like they do help people, but then there are some that have become desensitized to these things.

And I think people, when they're going through an issue, the first thing somebody should do is get them medical attention, not take them to the police department.

Um, my concern too is the protocol.

I hope this does change that this doesn't happen to another family because this is something that can never be undone.

And his mother and father and immediate family, they will never be the same.

Their life can't go on as normal, like normal people.

None of our lives can go on like normal people.

So I do feel like something there should be some justification behind everything that from the time he was taken from the apartments from the time to the time he got there and waited all that time.

I just feel like there's so many things that happened that shouldn't have happened.

And I do feel like they are do answers, and I hope it's hope that somebody reaches out and give them answers.

And I feel like something should be done to rectify it.

I do.

And I just pray, I'm praying for everybody concerned, and I pray that uh something can come out of this where this never happens again to another family.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Thank you, Miss Simmons.

Someone else in the room, yes, come forward, please.

Uh, my name is Wesley Wesley Boat.

I've been at the house where it was just me and him is dad multiple times where you know this has happened before.

So I was at a little loss when it happened this time.

And you know, he wasn't released to, you know, either his brother or myself.

And I'm just at a total loss of how competent, you know, police officers at that time were able to make great decisions and say, hey, you know, contact somebody you need, you know, you entrust, and you know, let us handle the situation.

They knew what it was.

You know, they it wasn't the first time.

They weren't surprised by the situation or anything like that.

So it's happening again, and everybody acts oblivious to it.

Like they didn't, you know, I I know when a report comes in or something comes in, I know you have a list of hey, these incidents have happened before.

Like they didn't take that into account when this was happening.

So I mean that just hits me on a deeper level.

Like just was that ignored or I'm sorry, I don't have anything as eloquently you know put together as everybody else, but it's something that you know I can't I can't even watch the footage because I've been there, like him talking, talking to me and the police officer, and thank you all.

Thank you, Mr.

Pope.

Thank you.

Is there anyone else in the room that has not had an opportunity to speak that would like to?

Yes.

Hello again.

Um I made the majority of my comments at the last meeting when I met you all, and you know, I'll email that statement again.

But um I just wanted to say, you know, um, thank you guys for doing this meeting.

Thank you to the auditor for her transparency and sending the report back.

I understand that's why the wait was so long, so we can have a complete and thorough investigation.

Um I just wanted to say that I wanted to be very clear, something very wrong happened, something very terrible, and you guys have the chance to make it right because every day our family has to live with the consequences and the actions that of those police officers are not taking out to get medical for I just want to hope that you restore his dignity and his rights by doing the right thing, and that's it.

Can you state your name for the recording, please?

Batima Alexander Fatima, thank you so much.

Is there anyone else in the room that would like to make a comment here during public comment before we move on on the agenda?

I would like to speak.

Yes, ma'am.

Can you tell us your name?

Regina Newkirk.

Thank you, Miss Newkirk.

Your three minutes begins now.

Um, are you able to hear me?

Yes, we can hear you.

Okay.

I would like to say, well, I'm a co-worker of um Alan's mom, and I know um how Sandra and her family have suffered a lot.

Um I've heard about Alan since he was younger, um, when me and his mom met, and I know her relationship with her with her children.

Um mainly I just had questions that I would just wanted to um get on the record.

Um, are there policies or changes on how young officers are let out into these communities?

Um, whether needing remedial um training even after commit um completing uh the police academy, um how are they um what are the policies on just letting them out into the streets without any senior or um uh seasoned officer with them on these type of calls?

Um another question I had was um well, not really a question, it's a statement.

Senior leadership should always also be held accountable for the lack of um the know-how or the lack of responsibility on um allowing officers who are not fully trained to be making these type of type of decisions or having better decision making skills.

I just feel like some officers may or may not be prepared for what life is giving, and they are just sent out without having any seniors right at their hands to help make those type of decisions.

So that's those are my questions.

I just want to know about the policy changes and moving forward so this doesn't happen to another family.

Thank you very much, Miss Newkirk.

Thank you.

Is there anyone else online that would like to make a comment here during public comment?

Is there anyone else?

Ashley is there anyone else even on other than the ones that I would like to say a comment.

Yes can you tell us your name yes Janelle Cologne Yes your three minutes begins now Ms.

Cologne.

Um I'm a friend of Alan's um we were very close when we were younger and although eventually life took us in different directions Alan just never stopped being kind.

He would still check in on me from time to time and that's just the kind of person he was what happened to him is deeply heartbreaking.

Regardless of any underlying medical issues is this painful to think that things might have turned out differently if his pleas for help had been heard.

Instead he was ignored when he needed support the most and it's incredibly disheartening that the very people meant to protect him were involved in this failure.

All I want is justice for Alan and his family.

This tragedy feels like something that could have been prevented and his loved ones should never have to had to endure this kind of loss.

My hope is that real accountability follows and that meaningful changes come from this.

So no other family has to experience the same heartbreak.

Thank you.

Thank you Miss Cologne.

Is there anyone else online that would like to make a public comment at this time anyone else in the room we want to thank each of you for taking the time this evening to come and share with us about who Alan Tucker was to each of you.

And if we could just take a moment of silence just for a moment to honor Alan's life we've heard a lot about him so if we could just take a couple moments just to honor his life thank you.

So unless there is a comment from anyone we will move forward with the agenda we are on item number seven which is the auditor update final investigation report on the in-custody death matter of Mr Alan Tucker just making sure that we have a battery.

Hello Amaratu give you the floor so I want to start honestly by thanking everyone for coming out I your statements definitely resonate with me by looking at the board I can tell you resonated with the board.

So I just want to thank you all truly for taking the time as a community to come together come out and join us in the space.

What you said to us tonight does matter it all goes into consideration.

So thank you all again I do have sort of a tall task uh today to deliver what is a tough update um in a statement um about the status of the police investigation and so um before I start uh I do want to say that this is a very difficult statement for me to make and so I'm gonna I'm gonna stay there for a minute it is a very difficult statement for me to make um and I know how long this board and especially the family um has been waiting for answers and so I understand the weight that this evening carries I don't take it lightly and so again thank you all for coming in unfortunately I cannot issue my final report tonight as many of you have expected and anticipated um last night Tuesday March 3rd um I learned at the end of the work day um that the department's internal investigation is still incomplete the version the version um of the report that I was previously provided is simply a draft and so the chief what that means is the chief and the command staff have not yet reviewed or approved uh the investigation and the supporting evidence um and so after I spoke with Chief McGuire last night uh I was informed that the findings and the recommendations that I was provided are or they remain subject to change and so any such changes

And so the chief, what that means is the chief and the command staff have not yet reviewed or approved the investigation and the supporting evidence.

And so after I spoke with Chief McGuire last night, I was informed that the findings and the recommendations that I was provided are they remain subject to change.

And so any such changes would need to be required for my evaluation, my full evaluation in independent analysis.

Earlier this morning, during follow-up conversations with ABD and city leadership, I was informed that the department anticipates completing this review around April 8th.

And so what I want to say, right, is that date is a goal.

It is not a guarantee, and I'm not sitting here going to pretend that it's a guarantee.

But if there are any changes to that timeline, I will have that information ready to be communicated with you at your April 1st board meeting.

Certainly as someone who worked hard on the report up until this point.

February 2nd.

February 7.

During that meeting, I specifically asked about the Alan Tucker case and for an update as to when we'll get the final report.

And so yesterday evening is when I learned that OPR's findings are not yet final.

And until the chief and the command staff complete their review, if it's not considered final.

Because the underlying the underlying findings and the potential charges frankly may change.

So once the department finalizes its internal investigation, I'll move forward as quickly as possible while protecting all the integrity of my investigation, right?

But I'll move as quickly as possible to complete and distribute my final report to the board and the family in advance of the public hearing.

And so to the Tucker family and everyone here tonight, I I truly am sorry for the billet.

Um we are working diligently diligently uh towards justice that honors the transparency and accountability that you all are looking for.

Um and most like and and most importantly, um the respect to the life that was lost.

Thank you, and then I'll take any any question.

Thank you.

I will um allow the board to ask the auditor any questions.

I'll hold my questions for the end, but if does anyone have any questions they'd like to I guess I have a question?

First of all, hearing from you all is enormous, and you can see we've taken it in, you know, everybody's experienced loss been a loss in this way that's so public and so hard, and here you're heartfelt uh talking about Alan as a person, he was a good person, he was a friend, he was a brother, he was a sister, a son.

Um I really appreciated everybody's uh public statements.

I guess my question, uh MRSU, and I know we're all looking for this, and the delay has frustrated us as well.

Where's the miscommunication that you thought you were looking at a report that you could operate from, and how did that suddenly get discovered the day before we're ready to get the report?

Well, what I can say is I had to ask for the final report.

It wasn't you know just given to me, and so I didn't have any answers until I really sat down with the OBR team to look at all of the cases with that.

And so this is one of the things that I have on my note to ask them about, and so when we got to the Alan Tucker case, said what's the status.

Um I'm waiting on the final investigation report from you all so I can start writing mine.

I was told that that was then uploaded into the case management system.

He showed me where it was, he showed me how to download it.

He who, when you say captain, uh not not uh Captain Johnny's uh I met just the their position and investigation, and investigator.

And so he he led me to the case management system, we downloaded it together, and that was that.

So I was under the inside uh the assumption that that was its final version.

Now the police department has its own chain of command that they run things up through for approval and and all of that, but I was not privy to that information.

Uh was that report presented to you as final.

I asked for the final report, and that's what I was told.

I that I can find it online and download it to mine.

So it was not labeled draft, like when you went into this system to get it, there was nothing identifiable on this document for you to know that this was somehow other than what you were told.

No.

Um there was no way for me to know that it was a draft.

Now, when I was in a meeting yesterday, someone referred to it, and I I don't want to divulge who this person is, but someone referred to the report as a draft.

And so that is when I was put on notice that um the report that I had in front of me was indeed a draft, and then I was also informed that the department will be meeting on Thursday to review the entire investigation and the draft report.

Thursday as in tomorrow.

As in tomorrow.

And so that is all the information that I received yesterday.

That um was followed by followed by a phone call between me and Chief McGuire to figure out you know the timeline on everything and why we weren't or why I wasn't told that this was a draft before, and that's when he explained sort of the chain of command, saying although OPR reaches its findings, those findings are not final um, and that he has the final say on all the charges as well as recommended findings and discipline on the on the case.

Chair recognizes you receive notice from the police chief about the the expiration of the 60-day timeline in which we were supposed to have the report given to the auditor's office.

No, we did not.

All right, well, did you get a notice from the police chief?

I did not.

Um just remind my colleagues of both the MOU and the ordinance that created our board, uh both uh both of them established a 60-day review or 60-day window in which uh the report is supposed to be given to the auditor's office, and if there is a delay, which we know there may be, uh, that there's supposed to be a notice given to the auditor's office to the board and the city council.

Umtifying us of the delay and why.

And there's reasons in the MOU for good reasons, you know.

Uh good cause and why, or protecting the integrity of an ongoing criminal investigation.

There's good reasons why, but we haven't received any notice why.

And by my count if the CRT investigation was completed on December 27th, which is what our meant to say from our January meeting.

That's February 24th, by my account.

So we we are, I'm sorry, interrupting.

We are unclear of the timeline, and you know, so there's also the release of the declination by the Commonwealth's attorney because there's the criminal portion of this case, and then the administration administrated, which is what we're waiting for.

So the timeline could then start in January once the Commonwealth attorneys declined to criminally prosecute, because then the police department can start their investigation.

Having said that, we're waiting, right?

And we are waiting just like you're waiting.

We are stunned to find out today that there's no report.

Um I did take it upon myself to call Chief McGuire because you said call me any time.

And you know what?

He called me back, and he said, Gene, the report needs to be reviewed at the executive level, which is me.

And he said, I need to look at the report, I need to review all the digital evidence, all the footage from those body cams and from the Sally port.

Um so he did say that it's at his level right now and that he would make it his highest priority.

That still doesn't make me feel good, and I know it doesn't make anybody in the room feel good.

Um but he is the one that signs off on the complaint.

And apparently you didn't know that when you were given a final report.

So there's some miscommunication going on here that this is our first um critical incident that's going through the entire process, right?

And so last year when I received the final report, it was something that was already provided to my predecessor, and that that's kind of how I access the file.

So this is the first time that I've been receiving the file firsthand, and then if I can just shed some light on what Jean touched on is in the cert investigation, we did have the findings of the CERT team on December 27th.

So when does the clock start?

That was that's our question.

Yeah, that was my question.

Yeah, the findings did not come, were not supported by the full report, and so that's when we went back and asked the cert team for a full report on how they reached their findings.

That was not received until after even the Commonwealth Attorney's uh statement came out.

So I'm just trying to make sure we understand our timelines here.

Because the reason I'm I'm I'm drilling down on this is because we don't make a decision until we get all the information.

And but as holder as as a body that's charged with trying to build trust in the community, all we have is the integrity of the process that we were given.

Uh and when that process breaks down, it it hurts trust.

Yes, regardless of what the assessment of the incident is.

Uh and it clearly builds frustration, which we've heard in this room.

Uh yeah, because I can't tell when the timeline is supposed to start based on the ordinance.

I'll just be frank.

And if we need to clarify that, we should clarify it.

Right, that's not true.

So that people aren't waiting and expecting.

Yeah, so people don't have expectations that we can't meet.

Well, something, and I I don't want to bring too much of the ordinance talk in here, right?

Because we're we're dealing with um the Tucker matter, but something that we did say in front of council um last year is that we would review the ordinances and review the MOU after a year to see what works, what doesn't work, what we need to improve.

So this could be part of it to say communications or um when does the timeline start?

Um is it when we receive the OPR investigation?

Is it when we received the cert investigation?

Those are all things that still need to be ironed out, unfortunately.

But that's that's us learning through the process.

But when do they start their investigation?

We shouldn't start it the day a half.

That was an I but it can't they can't start an investigation until the criminal case is so they can concurly as the cert team released its um as the cert team released its evidence, so bottom on camera, officer interviews, all those things.

As the CERT team released its um, as the CERT team released its evidence, so body warm camera, officer interviews, all those things.

Uh it was uploaded into the IA pro system.

I can't speak to when APD accessed that, but I know that I reviewed all evidence as it came in.

So when was that?

When you open everything, I mean that's a source of back in September.

Yeah, I was gonna say September.

Yeah, so I've been receiving things as they come in from not just the CERT team, but when the medical examiner report came out in early December, I believe, it was uploaded straight into the IA program, and I that's when I search teams said they were done December 27th from our last meeting.

So at least they were uploading stuff through several months.

We we know they said they were done December 27th.

But that was with the cert team's evidence.

There may be other things that APD uploaded after that.

Other questions?

Right.

So I I would go back to you said last night, Tuesday, the third of March.

Yep.

You received information that the department investigation is still incomplete and subject to change, is that right?

Yes.

Okay.

And you got that from you said APD and city leadership.

No, those are your words.

That's what you said.

Yeah, that's what I have to do.

So my question is who is APD and a city manager?

Let's do it one at a time.

Who is APD?

I said that the chief called me after I learned in the meeting that the that it was a draft.

And then you said and city leadership.

I said specifically that this city.

No, that's what you said.

Hold on.

I know.

No, no, no, no, ma'am.

Don't hold on me.

Now wait a minute.

Okay.

I I'm asking the questions here.

All right.

I'm I just want to provide you with an answer, but that's fine.

Okay.

The the question is, who is city leadership?

Well, let me just clarify, right?

That this I did not speak to city leadership last night.

I said earlier this morning during follow-up conversations with APD and city leadership.

And so who is city leadership?

And so that includes the city manager.

That includes um the city attorney's office.

We have Megan and Rob here who are who attend all our meetings.

Um that includes Mayor Gaskins as well.

And so this morning, what the topic topic of conversation is where where is the breakdown?

Why is it taking so long, and when can we have the final report?

And so that is why the city manager was involved because he wants to make sure that this investigation is done as soon as possible, and it's given priority.

That's why we included him.

Um Megan and Rob are included in all of our conversations because that's who represents the board and and this office.

Um, but that's who I mean when I say city leadership.

I consulted Mayor Gaskins because obviously she she and counsel appoint this board and appoint me, appointed me to this position, and so that was the final consult.

Um what's bothering me is you consulted the city manager, the city attorney's office, Mayor Gaskins.

Um then when did you talk to us or to the chair?

I spoke to the chair as soon as I learned the information, um, right before my call with Chief McGuire.

And you said that you were consulting with the city manager, the city attorney's office and Mayor Gaskins.

What's the consult for?

What are y'all consulting on?

I said I consulted Mayor Gaskins because that's who I was the consult for because that's who I report to your consulting about to tell her what happened.

Yes, okay.

I did.

I told her exactly what happened.

She walked over with me uh to the city manager's office where we all sat down and honestly surgically that would happen uh to make sure that it just doesn't happen again, and then this matter is given priority, meaning the chief needs to give us a date as to when we'll be when the uh when the investigation will be completed.

And the chief of police reports to the city manager, right?

Yes, the chief of police reports to the city manager.

That's what we need to leave.

Okay, you were saying that you were there to discuss why it's taking so long.

And you said that you downloaded the the document that you thought was final um February 2nd.

Right?

Yes, and then yesterday you longed it was a draft.

So was there any discussion as to what happened during the past month in terms of why it's taken so long?

That is a question for Chief McGuire as to why a case would take so long.

A case that has been finalized by his um Office of Professional Responsibility takes so long to then be reviewed by the command staff that needs to finalize and approve it.

I I cannot answer that.

I guess moving forward, who's responsible for one second.

Right now, well I'm gonna finish chair.

I'm gonna finish.

Okay.

So I I'm not trying to blame you or anything.

I'm trying, I'm trying to get somewhere, and you're getting ahead of me.

So I I don't want that's the problem.

You got what you were like to person, it's but it's like a young matter is clearly not her fault.

Thank you, ma'am.

You got what you consider to be a finalized version from his staff, right?

From the chief staff.

And you moved on that.

I did.

Okay.

And now you're finding out that is magically not a finalized version.

And that responsibility is not yours.

That's where I'm trying to get to with that.

Is that correct?

Yes, it's correct.

So how how long what are we looking at now in terms of time?

So once I was done talking to Jim, the city manager, um, that is when we got the April 8th uh goal date.

That is when it will be done.

Who set that date?

Is that from the chief or is that from the city manager?

That was what Chief McGuire related to the city manager's office.

April 8th.

April 8th.

And how long do you need after that?

Don't you get at least 30 days?

I I get at least 30 days, right?

Um but being that I've done the bulk of the research, I've done the bulk of the work already.

Wait a minute, you you don't want to say you won't take your whole 30 days because you have gonna say that no idea what he could present back.

Right, right.

I'm saying I've done I've done the bulk of my own investigation, right?

Um, and so I can't speak to how long it's gonna take me once I receive everything else from the department, but I can say as for my independent assessment of what happened, that is all finalized, and I'm I don't know how much you know what I mean, their report is going to influence that.

And I'm glad you said that independent part, which gets me back to the city manager, the city attorney's office, Mayor Gaskins, and you also had conversation with APD, right?

Yes.

So in your conversations then, did you assert your independence and say you know I can move with or without you?

The chief's well aware um of this office's independence.

Um, even coming in tonight, it in all of my conversations, he leads with obviously this is your call.

It is you are independent.

And he's always not to, you know, but I do need to give credit where it's due.

He's always been very respectful of this office's independence from the police department.

Um from the moment this incident happened, I was I learned that he called our office before he even called his sub his supervisors, uh, being the city manager.

And so being that that was sort of an instinctual call by him, I can say that our access is still strong.

Um I think our relationship being a working relationship independent of each other, obviously, is still strong.

But there was a there is a breakdown in communication.

Um I relied in reaching out to Chief Maguire about these case updates.

I was typically deferred to OPR to reach out to them directly.

So that would be Johnny's Captain John East and his whole team.

And so that is why, in working with OPR and finding this, you know, being told that the report is ready online, I just went with that.

Um, because that those have been my point of contacts this entire investigation since September.

And so I had no reason in February to think that that had changed.

Well, you you weren't just told that it was ready, somebody actually showed you how to get it.

They took you to the I'm telling where I'm in correct.

It took you to a computer, they point to the website and they say, This is our report.

Here it goes.

So you're moving on what you're being told, which is that this is final.

Then you find out later it's not final.

So that's throwing us off by at least what 120 days.

May I um just clarify the time timeline a little bit?

Just state your name.

I'm sorry, I'm Megan Roberts.

I'm one of the deputy city attorneys with the city attorney's office of Alexandria.

Um there's a lot of discussion when the ordinance was amended about when an administrative investigation will start.

Um we do not run administrative and criminal investigations concurrently, so an administrative investigation cannot start until the criminal investigation is completed.

So while the CERT team did state that their investigation was completed, and they did provide a presentation on what their findings were.

Do you mean as of right now, Ms.

Robert?

Like as of today, or is not it's still not clear still no final report.

Having said that, they have stated that they have completed their investigation, therefore OPR did have a green light to start their investigation.

Um all of those things are upvoted that Amaratu has access to in the system.

So the body warm camera videos, taxality, all of the same things that OPR will be looking at.

So once the um CERT I would almost argue since we don't have the final report, that clock has not started under the ordinance, but they've already started their OPR investigation.

There's already been a conversation with them stating that they are planning on having the report by April.

So I I just want to make sure it's understood that the OPR cannot start anything until that criminal investigation has been completed.

And in fairness, like there that criminal investigation took a very long time.

And we did not, I don't think I was I think it was January before um we were brought in to find out the results.

So this is where I'm having a problem.

I'm looking at the the press release.

Yes, and it says right here, these are the words of the of the chief of police.

The Commonwealth attorney has completed an independent legal review of this incident, which included a review of the investigation conducted by the Northern Virginia critical incident response team.

CERT.

If I'm reading, you know, public school education, but if I'm reading this, it appears to me to be an assertion that there's a there is a completed report because he's making a a statement here that I'm not blaming Amarati.

Okay.

I think she's done what she's supposed to do.

But our job for all of them sitting back there is to ensure that we're proving a timeline and we're going step by step and making sure that it's very clear to the public that she's proceeding in the way that she's supposed to.

So don't get how I'm let me try a nicer way.

Don't get how I'm speaking to you to take it that I'm not supporting you.

I'm I'm support I'm supporting you, but it's the record has to be clear about your proceeding off of what you've been given.

This to me says final, or he's he made a press relief.

And that no ma'am, I'm not I'm not saying that.

I would I'm saying the CERC.

Yeah.

Okay.

Um I'm not finished.

So I was at the 120 to 100 that how far out we are.

So if we're at April the 8th, potentially what do you project out?

Time-wise.

No, she meaning for for her report, correct?

Obviously, right?

Yeah.

I think it would be irresponsible of me to speak at this juncture to say that to give you any definitive timeline.

But what I can say is when I do know when you will get my report, you will be the you will be the first.

Um I'll update you all as soon as possible when I move that date.

But I need to have time as well to review everything the department has not only come up with, but what may have changed, what may have been added.

Um, if there's additional charges, that's something I'm gonna have to look at as well and make my own assessments of as well.

So once I know what I have in front of me and what I need to go through, you all will have an update as to when you'll have my report, and I won't shy away from letting you know where I went.

Are you confident that April 8th is the date that you're gonna get?

Is that why you're kind of reserved in offering a date because you're concerned that maybe April 8th is not the date that you'll actually get the information that you need to then do your final investigative report?

Part of it is you know, this is a timeline that I don't really control because it is still with APD, and so yes, um not that I have reservations that the department provided me with um a date that's not you know that they don't intend to meet, but I can say as well that they provided this to the city manager, they provided this to Mayor Gaskins.

Um so uh did they give you they didn't give you this date, you got this information from I got it from them directly as well.

I got it from them directly as well, directly from the chief with um deputy city manager Yan Lambert um in the room as well.

So this is my concern.

If I'm understanding Ms.

Roberts correctly, though, there is this sliver that the CERT report that we're may not be final.

We're operating as though it's final, but the findings are my understanding is the findings are finalized, the presentation was provided to city staff, the attorney's office, um as to whether there's an actual like final report that we asked for, we haven't received that.

But OBR has started its investigation, right?

So that means I I cannot wait for that report.

I OPR is starting their investigation, I I needed to start my investigation as well.

So I went off what they had as well, which was that 20 slide conclusion from what the sur team is a question.

Alexis, yes, yeah, thank you.

Next thing yes, chair recognizes Daryl.

No, Chris, no, no, you're going.

Chair recognizes this.

Okay.

Um Roncy, just so I'm clear, because I think you kind of address this with Alexis, but uh you still retain the authority to conduct your own investigation if this drags on too long, correct?

Yeah, I do.

You may not have the answer to this right now, but what thresholds you need to be crossed for you to begin your own investigation and not wait for the AP investigation.

Uh is it a timeline threshold?

Is it uh an evidence threshold?

Is it a combination?

And if you don't have a complete answer because the this is the first time we've done this, I would love to know in the future.

Absolutely.

I don't have an answer to that right now.

I think that we certainly should set thresholds and safeguards in place just in case things roll out or drag out.

I do want to say as well though, that um some of my investigation does depend on what's made available to me.

So if there's ever a case where we're still waiting on a witness interview, or you know what I mean, whatever it is for them to get done, um, or let's say they don't respond to me, and maybe APD is making the effort to reach out to that witness, I wait that out.

Um so that's one example of yes, I I completely have the independence to go my own way and do my own investigation.

But as for the evidence that's considered in that investigation, if it does have anything to do with something I need to receive from APD, that may affect my times.

Okay.

And then it sounds like I agree with you.

We have a breakdown of communication.

Uh appreciate your quick communication with us through the chair.

Um, because that's how we find out stuff.

We uh to my knowledge, we've not heard anything from the police.

Uh and although he's required to communicate with the board, and that is listed independent of communicating with the auditor.

Because as much as we try to work as a team, we are separate.

Council made that very clear when they took away our authority to require an investigation of the auditor, daughter, she's independent.

We have our role and she has hers.

So uh I think you know if we are assuming as a board that the timeline started when the CRT was had made its findings and press releases start getting released that the investigation, the criminal investigation has been done because that comes first.

I think that we have we're within our rights to be asking the chief what's going on from the board.

And uh he should be communicating with us if he's going over his timeline to finish the APD investigation.

Um if he's not, then we need to communicate that to the city council.

Um if there's a question of when the CERT considers their investigation, the criminal investigation done, we can find that out.

We could write a letter to the CERT and ask them do you consider it done when you've said you've completed your hear your findings, or is there some report that comes later?

Because we need to know that in order to give the council advice on how to clarify these timeline issues.

That's my opinion.

Um in the ordinance.

And these are all about cleaning up the process and making sure that the public can trust that we have a process that is clear and can be followed.

Um that doesn't set up bad expectations.

Um I think that's everything I got.

Thank you.

Chair recognizes Daryl and Franklin.

Well, I'm just trying to figure out why the uh investigations don't run concurrently.

So that's like a lot of time that we're just sitting around.

That's just my first question.

You don't have to answer tonight.

We can answer another meeting.

Maybe I need to read the ordinance or MOU to figure out why.

Um, the other thing is I would like to, in order to clear up what Chris has just talked about.

Um we need to speak to the chief of police on June 3rd.

That's 56 days after April 8th, so we can clear up MS so this won't happen again on June 3rd.

June 3rd.

Okay.

Is that your meeting?

Yes.

I can certainly um whether you know that you're inviting into June 2.

So from April 8th, and so the time you finish your investigation, it'll be 56 days before we talk to him.

I don't know how long it's gonna take.

Hopefully, not that long.

You know, I know there's a holiday in there somewhere, but yeah, every now and then.

Yeah, um, I suggest we don't know when this is gonna end.

No, I understand that, but that's why I said 56 days from June 8th is but again, we don't know if if it's not done, if we don't get the report by June 8th, then we postpone our timeline.

But we want to talk to the chief so that we can clear this up so that these lack these barriers of communication, barriers in communication, won't continue to have until the next investigation.

Because I don't want I I need to understand like the process from the time this young man died until today.

Like, what's the process?

The entire we don't run our investigations concurrently, no.

Um, but what I can say is I reviewed I did not wait until to get the cert report to start repeating evidence.

So I did review the evidence concurring to the cert investigation.

Um, as for writing issuing the report, I did not start that until the CERT investigation investigation was completed.

And that's my sort of way.

Thank you.

So I have chair recognizes vice chair.

So going back to where you we were talking about the independence, and you said I certainly can go my own way and review the evidence.

But the evidence that you have, it's not gonna change.

Whatever the evidence is you have right now, it's it's set.

All you're waiting on is what the chief thinks about the the report that his folks have done, is that correct?

Yes, and so to bring light into this um part of my report, yes, is for the board and for the community members, right, to understand exactly what happened.

But another critical function is this report is shared with city leadership, including city council, and so part of my job is to evaluate um the department's internal investigation and point out any areas for improvement, areas for reform, things like that.

And so that is what is subject to change.

Also, in my findings, I do note whether or not it is a discrepancy from the internal investigation.

And so those are the two things that are affected by the internal investigation not being finalized.

Chair recognizes Jules.

Did you have a question?

Jules?

No, he's more.

Were you encouraged by anyone to withhold that report, or was that your decision?

I was advised about the ordinance of the MOU saying that I need I have access, or my report includes my access to fully completed evidence.

And then in consulting, also my fellow as auditors, my NACO people who I I do rely on.

They also advised me that they would wait for a final report from the police department before they make any official report themselves.

And so based on sort of the standard practices of people who I consider my mentors, that's why I mean that way.

Who and who was it that um advised?

So we have um we have I have a very great relationship with Mummy Ibrahim in Arlington County, and that's that's who Kim introduced me to.

She was both of our mentors, and now that's who I lean on for a lot of things.

Um I wasn't able to get a hold of like Cammy Tina, the regular sort of NACOL team that isn't directly in a jurisdiction, so I I called one of them.

So I want to read something that the chief said in the press on January 15th of 26, and he says this as part of the city's commitment to transparency, the Office of the Independent Policing Auditor is conducting an independent review of this matter.

The Alexandria Police Department continues to fully cooperate and provide all requested information in support of that review based on the MOU and the ordinance.

So did he by any chance mention making this comment that you're now doing your investigation, which would imply they are complete because you can't even begin until they're done.

Absolutely.

Yeah, so did he did he mention by any chance that he has said publicly in the press that you're you're good to go?

You got your stuff, you're you're doing your part.

Did he mention that?

No, that was mentioned during our our conversation.

It was simply I haven't reviewed this yet.

I'm meeting with my team this week.

And I try to meet any other questions by anyone?

Anyone comments, questions?

Chris, yes.

Do we know and well I don't know?

Do you know?

Uh there's also a statement from the Commonwealth Attorney's Office that was not going to move forward with anything.

Yeah.

Do we know what he's been given?

Is it a report from the CRT?

Is it is it talking about APD?

What was he given?

That's the that's a criminal concern, all right?

So it's probably the CRT stuff.

Right.

Okay.

It's all the trying to keep straight in my head.

No, okay.

Okay.

So whatever the Commonwealth attorney decided on the criminal side.

Right.

That is separate.

He's made his decision that's separate from what you do.

And what we what we will be reviewing.

Right.

The administrative investigation is to determine whether the APD officers violated any policies in this matter.

And so that is a separate analysis.

It's a separate legal standard as well.

So we are we are completely in a different wheelhouse when you are talking about an administrative investigation.

And then there are two administrative investigations, one by the police department, and then one separate and independent being mine.

Right.

So for those following this being our first process, we and you have no authority over what the Commonwealth attorney chose to do.

I think the criminal investigation stopped.

We could be clear about that.

Yeah, hopefully.

So the timeline has started.

I assume it's December.

I assume it was December 27th, but we know it's started.

I even if we're waiting for a report from the CRT statement came out on January 16th.

Okay.

So it's 60 business days.

Sorry.

60 days in business days.

But it's more than it's more than in two months.

Yeah.

Yeah.

This is frustrating.

I have just one I just have a comment on question.

So when you went to four months in NACOL, do you have relationships with other independent auditors in the Commonwealth that you advise with?

Uh it's mostly just mummy, honestly.

I don't really have a working relationship with Fairfax.

One, their system is set up completely different than ours.

Um and then with the other jurisdictions in Virginia, they're just they're simply not as operational as we see in Arlington and UN in Alaska.

But we do have an oversight working group that meets at least once a month, so he can contact that one.

Okay.

Question for you and a question for you.

So for that release that you just read, I just want to be clear.

So you have been looking at the the evidence even as the APD investigation was taking place, correct?

Yes.

Okay, so I just want to understand then that statement may not have meant that the APD investigation was over.

It may not have meant it, but the chief knows the process and he knows how this is supposed to go.

So for him to say publicly that the auditor is working this particular matter, can communicate that his investigation has been completed.

And I think it creates enough confusion, which is why we're having to have this conversation about where the investigation stands in his department and where it stands for the auditor.

So I just I'm trying to understand in terms of statements and what may be said.

This draft report was February 2nd.

He said they're meeting tomorrow.

Yes.

When will you have your next meeting or will you have any updates in terms of protected timelines and what this may mean?

Um forward.

Yeah, so I was um I'm actually supposed to meet with OBR uh tomorrow morning for our monthly case review.

And then um I go to every chief's meeting, it's the chief and all command staff every Monday.

And so I get typically weekly updates.

And so I I can say through February, I was constantly asked to provide updates as to when this board's public hearing will be, and any development that we were at, whether it was our work with hiring Ms.

Hudson or working on higher Ms.

Hudson, things like that.

Um I always provided updates.

Um and so again, that's why it speaks to a little bit of my frustration, not knowing that uh this was this was a draft and not sort of the finalized version of that they still needed to meet um to review these.

So can I ask a question?

Yep.

So your meeting ostensibly weekly with the chief and his command staff.

Yeah, and talking about the public hearing date, not the public hearing date, but they would ask me, hey, are there any updates on the public hearing?

Sometimes it'd be no, you know, we're still working on putting together our.

But like if nobody ever said our reports not finalized?

No.

Okay, then we can't hold a public hearing until we have something to respond to.

Yes.

So I'm like so.

Next steps are what?

Next steps are they're going to meet on Thursday.

Um being APD uh to review their internal investigation.

I'm still going to attend each chief meeting.

Um, sometimes after some chief meeting, depending on Chiefs Chief and Wire's schedule, we do meet privately as well.

And so I will be working to try to get the gauge whether or not they will be able to meet that April 8th deadline.

I think that your board meeting is April 1st, and so that's about a week out from the deadline, and I hopefully they should have a clearer picture as to whether or not that they end up that deadline by then, and I'll be able to provide that.

Can you keep the board informed with these weekly meetings so that we're aware what kind of progress is being made and when and where it may be necessary for us to communicate with counsel or communicate with the mayor if we feel like the MOU is being ignored or not followed?

Yeah, I mean I just shared that I I go in every Monday.

If you all have any questions for me to ask command staff, you can send them over and I can bring them with me because I always have a moment or he always recognizes me during the meeting to talk about, and then he opens up the floor for anyone to ask me any quite.

And typically it would revolve around the part here.

Now it's not so much the nosiness around the date or anything like that.

It was more like do you all need support with security?

Do you all have you all considered where you're going to host this event?

And and those are the conversations that have taken place.

Um but not so much giving them a date or anything like that.

Anyone else?

Madam Chair, uh I would suggest I can make it a motion if you want, but I would suggest we should have you on behalf of the board send the communication to the chief, CC, the mayor and council, and uh uh and the manager.

Same hand.

Uh but uh yeah, obviously we report to the council, so uh but just communication that just makes it clear.

Our understanding was the criminal investigation was completed December 27th.

Uh it's been more than 60 days.

This is our first meeting since the 60-day threshold is ended, and we did not get a report from the auditor, and we did not get a communication from the chief saying that he's going to need to extend this timeline.

Uh these are just the basics of the process.

And we can you know we can request that from him.

And if he doesn't provide it, then we now have what we need so that when we actually look at the actual incident, because this is all process stuff.

When we look at the actual incident, we can attach our thoughts and notes on the process as well with our thoughts on the incident for the council to have so that we all learn from this first process.

That would be my suggestion.

Yeah, make the motion, please.

Um I move we empower the chair uh to uh to to communicate with the chief and the city council and city manager about our concerns with the uh uh the timeline and lock it communic lack of communication from the chief.

We get a second second all in favor, aye, I oppose motion passes for me to communicate with the chief about our discontent with timeline and communication.

Can you copy us on that?

Yes, definitely will see the board.

Thank you.

Cool.

Thank you, Armorati.

Thank you.

Thank you for making it.

You want to talk about the training on the running?

Oh, right, right.

Well, oh, yeah.

No, okay.

Um training.

Let me let me just reorient my brain.

Um obviously training fell apart.

Um it is something that I've emailed.

Let me just say police leadership for a while to establish and to know of it.

And so we were supposed to have our training on February 28th.

That did not happen.

Um then Jean was so kind to reach out to me and say that we would be able to meet, or she would she is willing to meet with me to sort of plan, have a planning meeting with APD on what that training would look like.

She also had a great idea uh in being that maybe you all can join some sessions of the community police academy.

Um I did shoot that email over to Chief McGuire.

As of right now, it it has not been approved and it starts next week.

So I think that we're gonna have to lean the planning meeting way.

But it lasts for like six or eight weeks, correct?

The the academy.

It's not just a one Tuesday.

Is everyone do you not get a response from that at all?

I did not get response.

Okay.

Uh not that it's not approved, but I did not get a response.

Um that's the that's the yeah, see.

Uh um, yeah, I did not get a response.

So the but we're probably gonna lean the planning meeting with uh Gene.

So if you can send me, I guess your availability, or if you're available and open, then I can give you the date, and yeah, we can go for no February.

So we're looking at a new date because the February 28th fell apart.

Yes.

And we're looking at opportunities to maybe use some of either the meeting time um police academy meeting to be able to satisfy some of that training, and then also wasn't there another suggestion to do half of a day to do half a day in person, maybe on a Saturday and do an hour or two hours similar to how you all like to do that.

And I think that's something that we all have.

I think that those are all things we're gonna have to discuss in that in that planning meeting.

But I do think all of these are great ideas, especially the community police academy idea, because they do, for example, when when we're talking about SERT training, right?

That came up in in some of our public comments today.

You will get to see for some part start to end how they go through training there, or what that what they get for training there, um, along with other units and and so I think that's a good idea.

For right now, I don't have a response.

And you have some upcoming engagement that you want to discuss.

You all are reminding me of everything discussed tonight.

Um so this Sunday, we will be at the women's health summit.

We're gonna be tabling here at the Charles Houston Rec Center.

Um that is an event that we were invited to by uh Jacinta Green.

I believe it's also her event, but it's it's a great opportunity for us to just get out there, speak to um residents.

We also have new um like tablets that we have so people can submit complaints with us right there.

Um when we did the black history event out here, we had a lot of people with stories, right?

But once we gave them our card, they walked away and they they never filed the complaint, and so we're trying now to bring the complaint system to them and start getting those complaints directly.

Great.

Um and then on March 14th, uh 2026.

I believe that's a weekend as well.

That's a Saturday.

Um, there's a barber talk barbershop talk series um that's being led by APD at another level barber shop.

That's just them walking into the barbershop to hold a listening session.

I said that I made myself available to go, maybe I'll get myself a cut while I'm there.

Um what day?

Uh that's March 14th.

14th.

But I think it's also a great opportunity in the community to have have a great conversation.

Let me get back to you on time.

Okay, yeah, sorry.

Send an email, please.

I would think she does.

I did, I did.

She did resend it.

Yeah, sometimes it gets to get on my phone.

So again, this is March 8th and March 14th.

These are great opportunities for the board to join uh with the auditor in um community events.

I'll be attending the women's health summit.

Um, but if anyone else is available to attend that on March 8th, or the barbershop talk series on March 14th, please respond to the auditor and let her know so that she at least knows uh that that someone will be there to support with her.

Anything else?

I'll be there Saturday.

It's like I'll come to the barbershop.

Yeah, okay, cool.

Don't let her cut your hair.

No, they won't cut you not getting the cut there?

No.

Um again, I just I want to just say I appreciate all the frustration, not just from the board, but obviously from the family members in the room.

Um I'm gonna do my best to make sure that like I said, justice is delivered with transparency accountability towards our mission and supporting the community and representing that.

Thank you.

So is that update please?

Is this is this is this your reason your report for everything or yes that's for what do you need to discuss?

Yeah, I wanted to get a little bit of clarity on what happened with the last meeting that we had to cancel, or that was canceled.

Yes, um, so that was a miscount um by staff, truly, uh, on quorum.

And so we had many family members as we do today, uh, sign up in advance of a meeting.

We had um one person say that they would need to be online, and then another person pulled out of the meeting um last minute, and so we did a quick staff count because we were very nervous in that we had an entire family member or an entire family coming to possibly get public comment.

Um, and we didn't want everyone to come out for no reason, and so we did a quick count.

We did miscount and forget not account for one of the board members, and so that's why you arrived at there was no forum.

But there actually was, but because of the miscount, because of the miscount we canceled the meeting, and and I'll say prematurely before uh calling Deborah and saying, Hey, I think we need to cancel the meeting.

Maybe you could have done a count with us and say actually because I'd actually talked to everyone.

I knew we had a quorum, right?

So I had no idea there was a plan to even try to cancel the meeting.

So but that that's what it was is it was our quick count to try to say, hey, we have family numbers coming, we don't want this to be we don't want anything to fall through the cracks, and then unfortunately, in our quickness, an hour, you know, that means rush, that's what happened.

We don't want this to be, we don't want anything to fall through the cracks, and then unfortunately, in our quickness and our you know, like rush, that's what happened.

We did reschedule it for I think it was February 7.

Um, and we held a closed session just to for the record, you know, we held a closed session to um discuss how we're hiring him outside council to further this public hearing.

Okay, I I was talking um earlier in the day about something else, and I was told to meet it by the council there, so I want to apologize as well, but I did not catch the numbers.

So I just wanted to say that thank you.

Any other questions, comments for the auditor?

Out of the hot seat, thank you.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Thank you.

And so we will move down to uh agenda item number eight, which is agenda items and next meeting schedule.

So we want to confirm that our next two meetings that we have on the calendar April 1st, 2026, monthly board meeting and NAPOL training part one, and then May 6th, 2026, monthly board meeting and NACOL training part two.

Any questions about those comments?

What time are we starting?

Is this six o'clock start since we're training?

Yeah, NACOL training is our six.

And then we'll hear from that.

Thank you.

So the both of those meetings for April and May will begin at six o'clock here in at the Houston Brex Center.

Announcements and reminders, item number nine.

If any board member cannot attend a schedule meeting, please alert all parties to ensure staff can take the necessary action is needed, no less than two days prior.

You must maintain a current status for all city security training assignments.

Failure to comply could result in the loss of access to your city email address.

Are there any other comments or questions before we adjourn?

We want to take a moment to thank the family and the friends and the community for coming out to show your support and to share with us and to just kind of give us a peek into who Alan Tucker was.

Thank you so much.

We will continue to work diligently on this.

You have um our commitment to that.

So thank you so much for attending.

Thank you so much.

Thank you.

Make a motion to adjourn.

Second.

All in favor?

Motion passes meeting adjourned at 8 09.

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