I'm wondering if I went to the right thing.

Well, I get it populated.

I will I I I will check with I will check with it's like a five five page thing.

Yeah, yeah, it's a lot.

I will check with Kia and see who has applied.

Go ahead.

Let's get started, folks.

Happy new year.

Glad everybody's here.

Um we can approve the menu.

This is the first time heard that I got a one that I went put the new one and they staggered them.

Which group I was in.

In other words, the there's the one year group, there's the two year group, and the three year to establish tag.

But everybody was up.

I think everybody's done.

And then all we've been in business for three years.

Well, I'll I'll find out.

I'll find out.

Yeah.

Sure.

It was still very noisy from the whole.

Okay.

We're just talking about reapplying with the committee.

Have you been?

Yes, I've done that.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Okay, let's uh now that we have quorum.

Uh I said around the minutes.

Dino, you had changes.

I think you got them to white leather.

No, I got them to you.

And I forwarded them to Dan and I think that ultimately got to Yeah, I already made the changes.

Okay.

Do we motion to approve the minutes as amended?

Motion to approve the minutes as amended.

Is there a second?

I guess I got all in favor.

Aye.

Anyone opposed?

Okay, moving right along.

Dr.

Medina.

Update on the program.

All right.

So we are because of some of the items that you're circulated with me.

You wanted to hear about information about projects in a block.

So it's all clear including your question where it has transpired.

Awesome.

Sorry, I'm late.

Oh, I just got here too.

Good to see you.

Likewise, thank you.

Okay, we're in program update.

Uh go ahead.

Yep.

Why do you trying?

I got it.

Okay.

All right.

Go ahead.

Take it away.

Okay.

So starting with Commonwealth Ash Week Leave.

We're coordinating the final design comments.

Basically just the last remaining items to get signed and sealed drawings.

Uh nothing major.

Um just just working to close things out.

Um expect to do that this quarter.

Um, we're also uh expecting the utility relocations to begin.

So this is largely what what work is gonna transpire this next year.

Um we're basically clearing the right-of-way um of the utilities to make way for our culvert.

So um Virginia American Water is the first to go, and and they're looking to mobilize by February, March.

So we're we're seeing progress there, which is good.

Um and we'll continue to coordinate with the other uh utilities.

Main uh other utilities we're waiting on is uh Washington Gas and Verizon.

So they'll they'll follow Virginia American water.

Um after we complete the utility relocations, we'll go out to bid.

Um so basically we don't want to have a contract run for waiting for utility relocations.

So once we get those utilities relocated, we'll start the bid process, which we're anticipating in early 2027.

Um and right now we're looking kind of at a zoom zoom out of the projects going on in this area, just coordinating to make sure we're not working in multiple places at once.

And and if we are, we're we're coordinating that.

Um, especially with with respect to maintenance of traffic.

Um Arlington has their Mount Vernon uh bridge road bridge construction, and we have several spot projects also in this area, so we're coordinating that internally to make sure that's as seamless as possible.

Um so yeah, things are moving.

Um we're on track, so Alex Renew have to move any sewer pipes.

So uh we are vertically, they're going to um have it's a vertical relocation, basically in kind it it's gonna stay in the same place, but we they have to go under our proposed call, you know, but our contractor will do that.

Uh so we have coordinated with them, but that that will be done under our contract and and um yeah by our contractor.

Can you explain a little bit more about the bridge project, the Arlington Ridge Road Bridge, and how that's impacting this project?

It's not a direct impact.

Um it's really just if if there's any potential uh construction on Mount Vernon and maybe Glebe or Reed.

So basically just not making it limiting the amount of makes that one time.

Yeah, yeah.

If we had major MOT with our project, which it doesn't look like we're going to anyway.

This is just something that we're looking at holistically and and just making sure we don't um, but yeah, there's some other projects in the area as well that we're coordinating that with.

I think Mitch has a couple projects that are going earlier.

Yeah, there's the uh the one right there by the apartment building that I can't think of the name of.

Yeah, that makes sense.

Okay.

Right.

So yeah, we're just yeah, looking at everything and and highlighting any potential you know overlaps and how well what we can do to mitigate that.

Thank you.

Okay, so for the combined sewer, um, I moved Pit and Gibbon to another section, so I didn't forget about it.

Um, but the the Nethergate project uh we've been moving on.

Uh we received 30% design in early December.

Um the big thing right now is we need to access George Washington Parkway to do utility and geotechnical survey.

Um we need permits to even get out there to do that data collection.

Um so we've engaged NPS and we're working with them, but it it's you know, we're kind of beholden to their schedule.

So we we have monthly calls where we can you know try to stay on top of them, but um yeah, sometimes these things can take some time with NPS.

It's kind of a known risk of this project.

Um after we get through that permit process, we'll go and mobilize to do some additional data collection.

So we'll pull utilities and we'll do some geotechnical borings.

Um this project has a a jack and bore, which is essentially tunneling a pipe uh under GW Parkway.

So geotech is very important.

We need to make sure that you know the soils can support this construction.

So anyway, one once once we get out there and get that information, we'll proceed with design.

Um and then we'll have future NPS coordination to actually get the infrastructure out there.

So that's gonna be you know a remaining item for this project is uh getting those permits with NPS.

Um, but we're moving on this one, so yeah, we've made good progress last period.

I'm sorry, go ahead, Janet.

What's the estimated?

I mean, you're having monthly calls, which makes me feel like okay, we could be talking nine months, 20 months.

What do you think?

For the first permit, it's not that complicated to go do data collection, it's fairly straightforward.

We're not building anything yet, expecting a couple months.

Um, but with the government shutdown, it you know, when we initiated this process, they they have a backlog, so it's maybe expanding.

We um we have a call in a couple weeks, so I'll I'll have a little bit better picture of you know where they're at.

But hopefully, nothing crazy for the initial data collection phase that should be fairly straightforward.

Do I remember right that that area where uh Abington Abington road crosses the parkway flooded?

Yeah, and the flooding is not riverine flooding like it is just a little big, you know, quarter mile down, but is stormwater flooding.

So is this now you're putting a bigger pipe?

That means the stormwater can get out of there faster.

Will this help them?

So the flooding along GW Parkway will not be addressed by this project.

Um GW Parkway is basically a bowl in that area, and it is drained by combined sewer, which we don't have the best picture on the hydraulics there.

The the um we're doing like a larger scale model right now, but that's kind of a ways away.

So it's not real, it's not really part of this project, but we don't have the best picture there, and it's it's very confined.

So anyway, what this project is doing is putting a bigger pipe upstream of that flooding and basically limiting the impacts.

So yeah, we we understand that it's not fully addressing that main source of flooding, but it does show meaningful improvements up at the nethergate neighborhood, excuse me.

And therefore less runoff into the park from Nethergate, because the runoff will be in the pipe.

Um it is basically less flooding out of the system.

It's the same amount of water, it's just more can get out quicker.

So yeah, yes, yes.

So the if I were doing it, that's how I would be spinning it with the national park surface.

We're paying for it, and you're getting the benefit.

They don't get really much of a benefit.

Well, you get they get some.

I mean, yeah, it's really I I would say no change for them.

We're actually putting water quicker for the parkway, which could be perceived as worse, but it's so much water, it's it's a drop in the bucket.

Um but yeah, we're we're coming at it from different angles.

I think they're very supportive of the project.

It's not really a question of if we can do it or should we do it.

It's more just they have a lot of procedure that we have to go through.

So the context we have are supportive and you know seem willing to help us move this through.

So we're we're we're working on it.

I hate to chew up time, I'm trying to look more than one move ahead.

At some point, although the parkway has flooding issues from beginning to end, at some point sooner or later, and maybe it's later, we don't have to worry about it.

They will want to address the flooding problem there, and that will require uh and I don't see how you all in this committee wouldn't get pulled into that into that question.

So if they do that, how does it impact this?

It would make our project more successful.

If we can get water out quicker down at GW parkway, it only helps us.

We can get water even quicker out of another gate of that way.

So it's just um, yeah, so that would there's really no consideration for from our standpoint.

That would that would be great for everybody if they could do that.

But the the thing is it's actually us, it's not them.

Yeah, it's our pipe.

Yeah, it's our pipe system.

So it you know, if we were the uh Aaronstein is looking holistically at that model.

Um, like they're doing a um combined sewer shed model.

So we'll we'll get some more information and see if there's anything actionable there, but it is fairly confined um downstream.

So it's it's not a given that that that would necessarily necessarily amount to a project.

They have approached with you um them doing fixes as well simultaneously.

MS.

Right.

No, yeah, that this is all driven by the city.

Uh just the price, the 1.58.

Is that just the design phase, or that's the whole thing?

That's the whole thing.

Yeah.

Okay.

So we're um then given and host run.

I've kind of grouped those together.

Um, so right now we we have shifted towards a property level mitigation approach.

Um we're we're exploring that in earnest.

Um, so we do have a contractor on board helping us develop this program.

Um so at this stage we're we're in a data collection stage, basically.

So um consultants are reviewing some other modeling we did for the flood resilience plan, and then obviously the pit and gibbon and and host run work to date.

Um it's just kind of informing what this program's gonna look like, um, kind of honed in on these key uh pilot areas.

Um we're also reviewing other locality approaches.

Um this kind of helps inform any any potential expansion of our our grant program.

Um so yeah, as I said, we're we're more of an exploration in an exploratory phase at this stage.

Um there's no defined program elements, you know, currently, but that's obviously part of what the scope of this work is.

So after we start getting that data collection, we're gonna move more in to that you know program development.

Um Jonathan, this is good news.

I mean, I thank you as as a hoof run person and Christine were here.

I maybe she'd say the same thing about getting given.

This is good news.

I mean, it's gonna take time, right?

I mean, yeah, because it's there's no easy answer.

But the fact that you were saying words like property level mitigation, I mean that's the right answer, right?

That's good.

We can't give a lot of money to everybody.

How long do you think this phase is going to start me?

What's the initial plan for how you're doing on the extended or not?

Or you recall the yeah, so we have uh on that uh on the property level mitigation.

We have uh we have five level mitigation that consultant us, so it could take about uh then of December just to come to come to the December 26th.

Okay.

Are there any policies that might stand in the way?

And thinking about the things that we've kind of gone through in the past that deal with the Linrol stuff.

Is that something that could be a concern here as well?

Just how much the city can do versus yeah, yeah.

There's a there's a bill out there right now that you'd like to, you know, right?

That was gonna be one of the questions tonight was if we can also bring up the discussion things that we can bring back to the table.

There's a bill out there now.

Oh crap.

We can talk about it later too.

Um well the we've well, we could talk about later, but the thing that you're to your question, there's a bill, I forgot the number, I could pull it up and send it.

Um where they're basically saying they're trying to give uh localities very explicit authority to create your own uh flood grant program.

Okay, um, well, hold on.

But in the bill, it's very specific about the the max is three thousand dollars.

Yeah, um you yeah, exactly, right?

I got more for you too.

Yeah, um, you first have to use what was it?

You uh uh passive area, yeah.

See, so you have to um go through uh all your due diligence on passive fixes, so structural fixes.

So if you spend a bunch of money getting that done, then maybe you don't need the grant.

Um and so anything that has to be deployed, we call it some it's almost prohibitive with all the steps you have to take just to location.

So it only funds the the things that you would deploy as a last resort.

Additionally, sorry, uh DCR, one of the state agencies would have to have a repository of yours, the kind of things you could use, and it'd be restricted to that list as well.

So it looks like from the way the bill is written and talking to some lawyers that um it was probably written by someone who either wants to get into that business, is really what it sounds like, and it's that barrier business potentially or NGOs or something.

Yeah, um, so we're we're pushing back hard at it against it from a city standpoint and also through the Virginia Municipal Stormwater Association as well, because uh there is a line there that says you can use the resilient Virginia revolving fund for the funding source.

And so one lawyer was like, oh, well, it's only if you use that, and it's like uh the other is like, yeah, I don't think so, because they would have laid it out at the beginning.

It's toward the end where they said, you oh, you can use this too, kind of saying, well, if you don't have your own money, you can use this loan for this fund to create your grant program um that was kind of just stuck in there.

I think somebody probably in discussion said, Hey, well, like let us let them use the loan, you know, the fund or whatever.

So we're really worried about that because we do think it's it's very uh prohibitive, you know, for the things that we want to do is it's too to prescriptive.

We might have to go down at some point in the future for specific authority for this specific project and show the legislature what Pit and Gibbon looks like when it's underwater.

Yeah, I don't know if I'm I I hear you.

I don't know if I so we did go down and get the the change to the the um the Virginia code, but was in the stormwater utilities section because there was a lot of questions about hey can what kind of funding can you use for this?

I don't know if I so we did go down and get the the change to the the um the Virginia code but was in the stormwater utilities section because there was a lot of questions about hey can what kind of funding can you use for this and we just wanted to make sure because it was someone else that already put in there you can use storm utility funding for maintenance of stormwater quality bus management practices or something in the upland area.

So somebody already hung an ornament there, so we decided to go you go in that section and hang another ornament say you could use that funding also for uh of like a flood grant program.

Yeah, yeah, right.

And so that that was fine.

So there's a lot of there's locality, more and more localities are developing their own program.

So I think there's gonna be a lot of folks that are against this bill.

There's probably gonna die in a committee somewhere.

Segan who brought it for I want to say vegan, but I need to look it up.

Yeah, let me look it up.

We can help with anything, or there's like a lobby day to go down.

There's a lobby day, it's coming up very soon, by the way.

Well, it's a it's a full session, but yeah.

Good background.

But anyway, I'll find a step in the right direction.

This is good.

So I'm gonna go ahead and talk about it.

This is actually major surprise.

If you have more questions, you know, you can raise that yeah.

So what's uh right now on this uh inlet relocation.

Uh what's what's going on is we are trying to finalize the 60 percent and oh actually that's a bad point.

I can yeah, go ahead.

Yeah, um during the PvS period we have uh uh been working on the six percent design plans.

Uh this uh design plans, the six percent that uh where we have a detailed uh design uh in the uh Belfonta and also Howell and the alleyway in that area.

We also uh work on the uh relocation of a sanitary sewer.

Uh that's a part of this project uh in that area.

Uh uh also we have done we have uh hosted uh a community meeting back in uh December in November.

Uh we've met with uh with a Bellefonte neighborhood uh the residents.

They came into our meeting.

We have presented the design goals and the progress uh uh uh that we have achieved.

Uh we also hear back from the residents, their concerns, their uh uh concern about the utilities on the the the uh utility pool in the alleyways, and also we have uh documented their suggestions and we will consider their uh suggestions in our upcoming uh uh designs of middle.

Uh we also had coordinated with Washington Gas, uh some uh and um also with the uh Dominion Energy about a relocation of two uh utility pool in the alleyway that's necessary for uh aligning our uh sanitary sewer and also stormwater sewer because the alleyway is kind of like 10 feet width.

So uh that's one of our primary uh utility relocation is to uh uh to relocate two utility pools in that area.

In the coming uh period, we will receive the full six percent design submittal.

Uh that's uh detail uh our uh uh our comment from 30 percent and also uh considering the the feedback that coming from the residents will also be reflected in the coming uh six percent design uh set middle.

Uh we will also uh continue our uh coordination with utility provider.

We have to coordinate with the Washington gas to secure uh the the the gas line that's uh crossing the uh East Howell Avenue and maintain uh our uh while maintaining our uh install more seaworth in that area.

Next, yeah.

So the next one is Clifford.

This is I'm sorry, that's what's erupted.

So the essence of the project we have like two.

So the next one is Clifford and uh this one we receive 100% design.

We are prepared for relocation, the fiber uh fibre relocation.

And uh we are hosting a public uh on the January 14th.

I think it already happened.

It was uh why why widely attended?

Yeah, yeah.

Yeah, and what's gonna happen is to complete the final design review once that 100% the city review.

Uh we will begin the fiber relocation, and uh we will respond to the public comments that came from the meeting next.

Uh Ed Sun Sewer.

This is ongoing project is approved for construction.

Uh we're monitoring the utility relocation, and we're uh planning the progress, and we are also responding for public inquiries here.

Uh what we are planning to do is the gas utility relocation that's gonna start in April this year, and water equity relocation is going to follow once that gas relocation happens.

Um next one is that's yours.

Uh yes, uh, this is four mile run and hove run inlet installation and enhancement project.

Uh during the BBS period, we have completed our topographic survey and subservice utility uh exploration that necessary for uh creating our existing condition in the area.

We also uh uh coordinated with uh utility providers such as uh Dominion Energy for a couple of uh issues uh that's discovered or revealed during the topographic survey.

Uh during the previous during the coming period, we will receive our 30% design plans or the design set.

Uh we will continue our uh coordination with the utility provider for these 19 sites uh to make sure that uh the all uh utility has been uh realigned.

Next before we move off that the four mile run and host run inlet, yes.

But will that help the folks around the Braddock Road Metro, the West Street?

That's one of the sites during the product road metro.

So maybe that'll drain.

Yeah, we have 19 sites, and that's one of the sites in that area.

Because it's a good project.

That's a good project.

Um and Edison Nowell Garbart Replacement Project.

Uh, we have received 9% design plan.

That's very close to 100%.

Uh we are we've we also hosted uh a community meeting that's uh back in December.

Uh we've met with the community uh with residents and we discussed a couple of uh issues related to the uh double culvert in that area.

Uh we also uh have uh to obtain uh construction easement.

We have coordinated with our subconsultant for uh real estate to just do prepare for uh documentation for construction easement for in the coming period.

We will introduce ourselves to the property owner that would where we seek a construction easement uh to secure for construction activity.

Uh also we will receive our 100% design sub mail.

That's a completion of our uh design uh the construction document.

Uh we will begin also uh transition to construction phase.

Next uh human avenue.

We what's going on is now we are beginning the fiber uh relocation.

We're resolving there's some comments that we resolve in final comments, we're monitoring gas main relocation preparation that's going on in April.

Uh what we are planning to receive is the uh design approval, and we're preparing for construction keyboard public meeting in March, and we begin construction and procurement to then quick question back on the here.

Uh were the conversations with Truist.

Have those gone well, like is so that type will still be coming out from the backyards.

Yeah, okay.

Yeah, that went very well.

Maybe they'll let people use the parking lot when you're done.

I doubt it.

I doubt it.

That's asking too much.

But yeah, South Jordan, and that is uh that is one design.

We are we already uh resolved that issue and completed technical memo review.

Um we're planning this phase.

Uh we're we're closing out this phase, and uh what's forecast scope design beginning design uh procurement.

So here we are we are getting the technical mail journalists.

Um we're receiving the 90% design um and we complete site investigation uh based on the community feedback and what's forecast is complete 90% review, and after that we'll be on construction and procurement uh we plan for property uh that rife.

Uh this is one of my projects.

Uh during the PVS period, we have uh worked on the uh 90 percent.

We've we've we've completed actually six percent and started working on uh the 90 percent design plan, but during the six percent design plan, we have revealed a couple of uh proposed uh infrastructure like inlets, uh sewer that's uh storm sewer that's gone through the uh property, uh private properties and the right of way.

We have been limited by the right of way, uh, and we are currently uh kind of like exploring uh how we how we move or relocate our proposed from the uh from the private properties to be to bring it to the right of way, yeah.

So because of that, we have uh obtained uh the boundary survey for maybe like 13 lots in our area just to miss to make sure that our proposed uh inlets are just out of the uh private properties.

Yeah, yeah.

Um in the coming uh period we will uh receive our 90 percent design uh plans and we'll uh make also another uh community meeting just to make sure that after the 90 percent to make sure that the the we have addressed uh the issues that came uh within the six percent.

So the next one is uh West Street Avenue and Dale Sort of SORA improvement uh was uh final design was resubmitted for approval process, and we're continuing with relocation coordination because a lot of calls going on, and we received grant extension that one uh what's for customers, we're beginning planning construction and procurement, we're still monitoring utility relocation, and this uh for utility relocation, it will start in summer uh 26.

Yes, um, good evening.

Can everyone hear me?

Uh sure uh Aaron, before we get to this, John.

Uh quiz to all the committee members.

What is the common theme among all those projects that we just went through?

There's one common theme.

They produce results on a short time frame.

That is true.

A lot of progress, but every almost every one of them requires utility relocation.

So that was actually my question.

Yeah.

If I can interrupt you, please do.

Yeah, so do we have points of kind?

Do we have somebody at all the major utility places that coordinates all of our work?

So you know, like an ombudsman.

Doesn't matter what project we contact Mr.

Jones and Mr.

Jones finds the right person for that project and works through that way, or do we have to kind of like create a new path every time we have a project to get to something?

Is there a standing way that kind of coordination can happen?

Yeah, I mean we have points of contact that we've carried through these projects.

I will say this is a lot of work we're bringing to them at once.

We are established that now, but I think that is something that we're working, you know.

We are working through, we were working through is just getting them ready to mobilize on a lot at once.

Um, but overall, I think points of contact-wise, we're not you know starting from scratch each time.

We we have a pretty good you know streamlined approach to get get to the right people.

It's more just they have their own budget constraints and they have their own schedule constraints for construction, and so we're you know, they're slotting us in.

I mean, it's uh it's a priority now, but I think I think that's you know, this is a big program, and that was just one of the challenges getting getting that you know in their queue.

And let's be clear, it's not a priority for them.

No, it's not it's not getting to their schedule there, yeah.

They're doubting time.

Yeah, this is every one of those projects, in fact, all but one require utility relocation.

Well, the other thing that is common in all those projects is see 90% design.

So these projects that are about to just take off the construction phase.

But you've got to get the utilities moved right.

We're not talking about conceptual designs and alternative.

We're making it happen.

I'm gonna you know, testify to city council.

I encourage the other committee members too.

And I think that's the point I want to make, that we're at this point.

But we're now kind of at the mercy of all these utilities.

It's not our fault.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Well, you know, that's that language specifically.

It's not true.

There is ways of moving levers out of higher levels.

Oh, yeah, yeah.

But but I I I think the citizens need to know that that we're not starting from a green field here.

Yeah.

250-year-old city.

I'm sorry, 275-year-old city.

With a lot of pipes in the ground.

Yeah.

And just to add that we have to get to a certain stage of design before we can really know where they're going.

A lot of times we're doing not their design, but we're basically giving them direction of where to go.

So that's the other factor.

You can't just say we're starting a project here, get out of the way.

We we have to you know get to a certain level of design.

No, we're not Aaron.

Okay.

Um, good evening.

Um, I'm Aaron Bevis Carver, division chief of Sanitary Infrastructure Division.

Um, I'm gonna start with uh talking about our asset renewal program.

So um, as you know, in um Delray, Rosemont, you know, east of Commonwealth Avenue, we had completed lining of uh main lines and rehabilitation of manholes.

Um probably it's been um close to about a year now.

We have been um we were writing a Fairfax County contract.

Um we wanted to add laterals um to the um portions of the laterals that's the city owns to the contract that they had declined, so we have been working on technical specifications to put out our own our own invitation to bid that includes manhuls, mainlines, and laterals.

That ITB um was issued.

We have the bid opening coming up at the end of the month.

So this has been a long time, I think coming for us.

Um so excited about that.

Um once we get that bid opening, we will review and then be making um a recommendation for contract award.

So the goal is to try sometime in March, we will have that contract awarded and then can work in the spring to start the rehabilitation of those laterals.

Um following that, um, we have completed all the inspections, um, reviewed all the CCTB data, inspection data for the Delray West.

That's kind of the area between um Commonwealth and Russell Road.

Um, we've been working on those um design plans.

Uh we reached the 90% mark um in December.

Um we've kind of the city staff have reviewed those, provided comments to the design consultant, and we're looking at the design documents to be submitted um to be completed, submitted to the city in February.

And so and the idea is that we will use this on-call contract that we're planning on awarding then in March to continue to do rehabilitation of our sanitary sewer infrastructure.

Um so before I move on, any any questions about that.

Uh Aaron, this is John.

In in the areas in Delray East where you have completed some work, are you seeing a reduction in the inflow?

Um, that's a really good question.

We do have some meters out in this system.

Let me um get back to you on that.

Um, and I probably need to also kind of coordinate with Alex for New Staff because they do have flow meters in the Commonwealth Interceptor.

Um, so that's a good question.

Um let me let me know because I think there's a success story there, although we haven't had much rain lately, so it's hard to test.

Yeah, yeah, it has been has been kind of an unusually dry period um over the last I mean, honestly, like um quite a few months.

So um, but let me let me um kind of get back um to you on that, and maybe that's something that I can report out on um for the next meeting if that if that sounds good.

Yeah, next meeting is fine.

Thanks.

Okay, great.

Uh next slide.

Okay, so um want to report out on some of our projects uh that we uh have um to address backup sanitary sewer backups.

Um we have a upsizing project that is in the process of being closed out.

Um this has been upsizing of sewers in several areas of Del Ray.

Um so really the stage that we're out at right now is what we call punch list items with the contractor, where um, you know, it could usually just vary minor work, um, restriping work, for instance, or maybe there needs to be a couple of asphalt repairs, things of that nature.

Um, so that so by the time of our next meeting, um this this one will no longer be on the list.

Um moving along to Old Town.

We had we have a sewer separation project on the 600 block of North Columbus Street.

So this is one we are taking a sanitary sewer, disconnecting it from the combined sewer system and reconnecting it to a fully separate sanitary sewer.

Um and so this one um construction has actually gone very quickly.

We issued the notice to proceed December 1st.

Um we assume we had a schedule of construction for 120 days.

Um we will have substantial completion after um at the end of January, so that's 60 days basically, and then the remaining work will be any punch list items um that we have uh before we close out the contract.

Um so I'm happy.

Any any questions about any of those projects?

Okay.

Um next one, uh, Madison and St.

Asa Street.

Um, this is one where we have um where we originally were issuing a notice to proceed.

Um I think probably in the summer, we were actually asked to hold off on that notice to proceed by the community.

So we issued we delayed the notice to proceed to November 3rd.

Um so construction is underway.

We anticipate completion by March 2026.

Um, but because of some of and so what we have kind of in this, if you look at the schedule, we have construction going through the first quarter of 2026.

There's always the possibility because of that delay in the notice to proceed that um we may go a little bit past that, but I don't anticipate um by very much.

And really, what this project is is it's usizing some of the existing combined sewer and making some stormwater um conveyance uh improvements, redirecting some inlets, adding some new inlets, um, and it's very kind of concentrated um in the vicinity of that intersection.

Um this is Dino.

Um there was a storm in the rain inlet cover that I reported the fall, um, summer and fall that was collapsing.

This was literally collapsing into the uh making a hazard on the sidewalk, which got fixed maybe two months ago.

Um my first question is does that have anything to do with this project?

And my second question is I you know that's where the Harris Teeter is.

I'm there once or twice a week.

Um I'm retired, it's often during the day.

Um I don't see anything going on there in the way of construction.

Um I am probably gonna have to get check in with staff and get back to you.

So the most of the work that is happening and is where the Royal Street restaurant is, and I'm trying to remember exactly where the Harris Teeter is.

Is that down towards that no, it's across the street.

It's directly across the street.

So okay, so let me check on where they are in terms of active construction.

We did give them the construction notice to proceed.

A lot of times what happens is they even though they get the construction notice proceed November 3rd.

Generally, what happens is you spend the first you know weeks getting all of the submittals from the contractors.

So you know, they can't apply for, for instance, their construction permits until they get that notice to proceed.

They have to order all of the materials.

So let me I will double check on that.

It's possible that they haven't had a lot of active construction going on yet because we do have to, and we have to review, we have to review the shop drawings for the materials that are ordered.

Um let me I can I can double check on that one.

Thank you.

I mean, there's it's like there's a yellow tape or something, but um, and maybe um one piece of construction equipment that's just sitting there not doing anything, but I don't see any active work or workers.

Okay, so there is construction, so there's obviously some signs of construction, but you're not seeing active digging and that kind of thing.

So let me check on that.

But they did fix the storm drain that you mentioned.

Yes, they did.

Okay.

Okay.

Okay, I can double check on that.

They fixed it apparently very well.

Okay, well, that's good to hear.

Um, and then uh going back up to the I'm sorry, good if you could go back to the next slide.

Um, the 400 block of um Wolf Street.

So that's one once again we issued the actual notice to proceed in December, but because of needing to get all the the contractor needed to get all the supplies, all the materials, the holidays, reviewing the shop drawings, actual construction didn't start until January.

So that one is under construction right now.

Um, so this runs between Pitt and Royal Street.

Um, so they're starting on the downstream side.

They basically have um basically connect started the downstream pipe that's connected to the downstream manual at Royal, and they are working their way up in the system.

So that is under active construction.

Um they are, and so this includes there's both a sanitary sewer pipe and a combined pipe on Wolf Street.

Both of those are being upsized to address backup issues that have occurred from wet weather.

Um, this is one where the contract gives them um uh uh active construction through July 2026, so it's basically 180 days for construction.

I this is one that we don't foresee taking quite that long.

We think that that that we'll likely achieve substantial completion in the spring.

Um obviously there can be there's going to be delays, you know, because of weather and obvious in and this weekend will likely result in delays into construction next week.

So there will be a pause in construction.

So it's possible that that depending on on how the weather goes, it that we do get closer to that July time frame.

But right now we're looking at probably getting substantial completion in the spring, and then it'll be punchless items after that.

And then next slide.

Okay, and then um Colonial Avenue Sewer Separation Project.

Um, this is one, this is a sewer separation project.

Um, we are currently um we have uh 100 design uh drawings that have been submitted.

We are we did have comments um to our design consultant, even though it was 100%, there are a few design issues that we need to address with them.

So we are looking at getting um that revised 100% set in uh uh February.

And I think based on the schedule for that, I'm sorry, based on the schedule for that one.

So we have design going through first quarter of um of um 2026 before we move into the procurement phase.

So I think at this point we're still on um generally on schedule for that.

And any qu any questions.

Thank you.

Yeah, I like the way you set this up.

I mean, every project's over almost two million dollars or more.

That's kind of the right size we should be looking at, right?

Smaller than that.

Yeah.

Yeah, they've been advancing, of course.

So it's yeah, that's good.

Well, this part of the uh the meeting is about communications, and we have Emma do uh her uh this is two slides, but she's no longer with the city.

Well, this part of the uh the meeting is about communications, and we'll have Emma do uh her uh this two slides, but she's no longer with the city, but we do have uh umshallah, right?

Uh I'll take it.

Yeah, it's kind of pretty straight up straightforward, I guess.

You know, so the the uh posting on flood action items has been steady, continues to be steady, and you see some of the things that we post there on that sub bullet with Taylor Run, the flood resilience plan, the credits, the newsletter, National Stormwater Day, that kind of stuff, and then you see the next bullets and the impressions are down, and that usually happens at the end of the end of the year.

That's typical.

You know, people are on vacation, they're going doing stuff, they're not really paying attention as much to you know, the social media posts from the city and e-news, you know, those types of things.

I should say, and you know, clicking on the website and that kind of junk.

Um so that's the two main takeaways, and then you just see some of the other information there with the uh stormwater management web page views over 9,000 on the page there, uh average engagement for the pages, and then the most popular ones.

Uh this time you figure the stormwater utility fee web page would be because the stormwater utility credit program is open.

So people are going in there and looking at that, seeing what they can apply for, what the fees mean, and that kind of thing.

So that's typical for this time of year.

Uh the flood map, the like I said, stormwater management page, and so you'll see the views there as you as you go down.

How many people get the newsletter?

Any idea?

Great question.

I can ask Ursula.

I don't need to know right away, but kind of curious.

A lot of work goes into that.

Yeah, I think I think the answer what we could answer with uh is how many people are signed up, right?

So they should get it, right?

The sign up for the e-news, so it should go in their inbox, and then it'll be on them if they read it.

That's good.

If you're if you're getting that chance to say you're scanning it, please there's been a lot of competing news activity as well.

This is happening.

That's a fair state happy news.

Yeah, I guess one more for comes when the next page on that, the next comms page is just kind of what you know, the priorities, of course.

The the utility credit program because if the um the window runs through February the 15th, it gets from December 1 through February 15th.

Um, and then the project updates, and then we'll have the newsletter will go out in February.

When I give you my material, sorry.

I'm on the book, yeah.

Yeah, a lot of us are yeah, so that's that's pretty much all we have for communications.

Thank you, Jesse.

Yeah, uh, I think your next uh yes, uh so on the flood resilience plan.

Uh as we speak, we are actually 70% of uh completed 70% of uh the resilience plan when we pretend we've got 65%, and um this includes uh that we finalizing the community engagement plan.

Um as you know, as we discussed it before, the community remains active through like online survey, outreach cookouts, farmer markets, and uh we had cd events through uh through the summer.

Um scheduled uh for March 2026.

We're looking into the venues right now as we speak.

So it's progressing pretty good.

So when you have the public event in March, will plan be done?

No, no, it would be probably at 75% or something.

It would not be done.

Yeah, there's some more heavy lifting we need to do at the end of it.

So September is the September is the current schedule that may get pushed a little bit.

Okay, yeah, if this will have to be reviewed by a bunch of people, or I'm sure not only the city, not only the city council, but Virginia is going to look at it also because it's the basis for grants, right?

So we'll have some checkpoints, and of course, you know how it goes with everybody makes a different opinion.

With the others, we have to address them.

So it could take a while.

Wasn't one of the governors' executive orders, didn't it have something to do with resilience resilience plans to look at the exact board?

I'm sure, yeah.

I think generally, yeah, yeah.

I think I read that too.

Yeah, um, a lot more of that effort, and then and then at some point, you know, there's another touch point to come and talk to you all too.

Okay, yeah.

Um critique, I don't call the criticism, I'm gonna call it a critique of how the city approaches flooding.

Is alkanization.

There's river flooding, that's over here.

This group handles with it.

There's the cemetery, that group handles it.

There's stormwater, we handle that.

The sense I got I nobody said this, but the sense I got from this flood resilience plan is that it's an attempt to knit together the disparate and varying umities and approaches in the city's balconized approach to flooding.

Um do others share that viewpoint.

Or is it uh am I misinterpreting?

The plan is simply a roadmap.

Everything has to be done, all the different types of flooding have to be addressed, and it all needs to be somehow in place where we can all refer to it and say, okay, what have we done to solve this kind of this part of the mystery of flooding?

But it's a different story where we have to overlay the plan, the things that need to be done with who's gonna do it.

Yeah, so we have budgets that are different, we have a strong utility, we have a sanitary.

And I've also found maybe not this plan specific, but in general, when you talk resilience planning, a lot of people gear more towards environmental aspects or the river flooding, right?

When you're talking infrastructure issues, which we deal with heavily, that doesn't always come up as often because not everyone needs a resilience plan because of infrastructure issues, yeah, right.

If you're an old city, sure.

But where I'm from, and it's old, doesn't happen as often.

So I don't know.

I've I've always found that to be an interesting caveat.

And again, not not a critique on this plan.

I'm saying in general when I talk about or hear about resiliency and planning for resiliency, it usually focuses more on the environmental factors and things like that.

So one thing about this is it also includes includes public safety, like because it uh take care of critical infrastructures like hospital transportation where everyone really cares about.

So it's part of that resilience.

Yeah.

So in some way to answer your question, Dino, it's this is a matter we we know we have to do things with plan, and we have to deploy a team that can implement the different components.

So that's what we're doing.

Okay, um, I think the next one is for Lisa.

Okay, good evening, Lisa Jaitman with infrastructure maintenance.

So I just have really the same project.

We've been talking about the Hustra and Culvert top slab reconstruction, and we're still uh the consultant is still finalizing the plans.

They have um we're waiting for some outstanding comments from some of our partners still.

So, but we're hoping to wrap it up um by the end of the month or you know, mid-February.

So we are still going to have a neighborhood meeting, um, but that probably will be more towards the end of February, beginning of March at this point.

And um, yeah, and we will send you notifications once we get that planned, and we're gonna use an on-call contractor for the work.

So it doesn't have to, we don't have to bid out the project.

So we'll go quickly once we get the plans finalized.

Any questions?

Uh Lisa, this is John, and this is my neighborhood.

Thank you for the work you're doing here.

Um keep me posted about the meeting coming up in February, March or whatever.

Um that'll that would be a great interest.

Yeah, I will, and we were gonna invite the neighbors, so whoever, you know, anyone else, if you want any any community associations or you know, I can show you the list and we can work on the list.

I'll I'll send you a note with the contacts at Rosemont Citizens Association.

A little bit of background that give everyone a chuckle.

Um that tennis court is a revenue generator for the civic association.

Uh we have adopted it as an adopt the park.

And last year we earned 800 for click keeping that clean.

Um so we won't be able to collect that revenue during this construction.

Uh and and then money goes towards our happy hours.

So um authorized use.

Well, no, it's money's functional.

You know it's fun.

Uh let the contractor know, maybe we'll give them a little incentive.

Anything that would go.

Okay.

This is uh a couple playgrounds that you could adopt.

We've adopted all everything.

And this adopted they've taken all the money again.

These are these adopted park program is a great thing, by the way.

It is a great thing.

It's great.

The RPA gets a good amount of that too.

Yeah.

Super.

Anyway.

And I'll send you a list of the folks at RCA who probably need to know about this.

So right.

Great.

Thank you.

Yeah, the next slide.

Yeah, and this just a quick update.

So, you know, we started this uh the citywide storm sewer CCTV and cleaning program last summer, and we're almost finished with the four-mile watershed.

Now that's doing the CCTV and cleaning of what we can, and now we're starting to work on some repairs now, which are more like spot repairs, you know, like if we find their deficiencies in the pipe, or you know, whether we have to do patching or replace a piece of pipe.

We're starting to do that now while we're reviewing it.

It's a very big project, and it's probably going to be on a five-year cycle.

Starting here, and then we're gonna move on to I believe the Hoofs Run watershed next.

Any questions?

Thank you.

All right, moving on, the summer utility credit program.

Um at your uh at your direction, I heard from Aaron.

I think you know you had a question on some of the sanitary sewer stuff, and and Aaron said she could um respond to your question now.

She checked with some of her staff.

Oh, good.

Sure.

Hey, hi Dan.

Um, so yeah, going back to Madison eight St.

Ace, I do want to stress that it's the work is not on the side that the Harris Teeters on, it's on the other side of the intersection with the Royal Restaurant.

So that was one thing.

Um we I did um hear back from my staff because we did issue that notice for C, like, and you mentioned construction hasn't started yet.

So we did have some delays in the contractors submitting their submittals for basically the materials are going to be installing, and then they also had some delays in having those materials delivered, and then the holidays hit, and so it's just kind of one thing after another that pushed it back.

I do have in front of me just so oh let me pull it up again.

Um the contractor's uh two-week look ahead.

So they are doing they are out there right now, they're doing a lot of pre-construction work, they're just kind of confirming some of the survey that we collected.

They also do their own survey.

Their plans are to go into active construction to basically start saw cutting um the asphalt um coming up.

Um, and it looks like so the they're gonna saw cut the storm alignment.

It is on their schedule for actually the end of this week.

I suspect the storm is gonna push that back a little bit.

Um, and then they probably won't start sawcotting into the asphalt until after the storm.

Um, this this two-week look ahead was submitted last week um before we knew we were gonna have this big major event.

But I just wanted to let you know construction is active construction is imminent.

Okay, thank you.

You're welcome.

But this is where I waited for the bus two days ago.

There's no construction going on here.

So the this this gives me a sense of what what's happening, and I can alert the um civic association person over there.

Sounds good.

Thanks.

Hey everybody, um hope you're hope you're doing well.

Uh we have the Sue Crat program that Jesse mentioned.

It goes until February 15th, um, which I believe is Katie's birthday, isn't that right, Katie?

Or day after?

Day after.

Yeah.

Okay.

Um, so we are on a two-year credit cycle.

So, like Dino, he he resubmitted his application last year with Ryan, came into office, and um, so this year he just gets credits, right?

No, no resubmission needed.

Um, so we do have two webinars coming up that I would like to notify you guys about.

The first is going to be the business webinar.

It's at 10 a.m.

next Wednesday, and it's focused purely on the businesses um and non-residentials.

Of course, A1 can kind of come.

We talk about a lot of the same stuff, but um that has a Zoom link by the slides, so you guys can send it out.

We also sent out an email to you all earlier.

Um and then I uh the following day, if you prefer evening time with me, um here my beautiful house.

Uh it'll be 6 p.m.

Um focused on our residents and I uh different things they can do to get some more utility credits.

And I would like to remind you all that um people who uh did things and got the flu made the flood mitigation grant, um, probably did a lot of things that qualify for smooth credits.

Um so yeah, so are there any questions?

And if you would like to sign up any group for uh one-on-one with me, just let me know.

Thank you, Camille.

Everything will be recorded and people can watch it later and send us questions.

Thanks so much, guys.

Bye.

Thank you.

Bye, Camille.

Okay, so this is one of the items that you requested.

Yep, John.

And um pretty much the same picture we've had.

You see, things are moving the direction, it's not really uh time of major activity.

Yeah, I think they pretty much like you said before, but they're maybe put the good you wish that for sure.

Now, as I remember Jonathan's presentation, you're going out to bid for the construction of CAG in early 27th.

So that's when you would commit the funds or we'll probably a little bit before that, right?

Yeah, but you have to have the funds on the money.

We don't have any money we're not really can't be cutting check hiding checks, yeah.

Right, yeah, right.

Trust me, we're being for it.

Yeah, so the money has been flowing into the pot.

Um far less has been flowing out so far.

Has it been gathering interest?

It's budget authority, yeah, right.

So it depends on when they buy the bonds.

Yeah, so I don't think they have purchased the bonds for this project.

No, no, nor should they, but money is coming in.

Well, that's budget authority, that's what I'm saying.

So there's no money been expended, it's a budget authority.

So the money's coming in.

Um it's not just the theoretical, there's money coming in.

Is the money coming in gathering interest?

It's no, because it's budget authority, right?

The way I understand it by saying this wrong, John.

When we put it in the budget, I don't know enough about the workings of the city, but I assume their cash account probably is running interest somewhere.

Yeah.

It's gonna be a bit, it's mostly gonna be oh yes, you're the former BFL.

Yeah.

So this this is actually not something that I know a lot about, but uh, you know that the money typically on something like you're talking about the stormwater fees specifically that come in.

Right.

They start coming in as people pay their taxes.

Right.

So then it goes into the budget.

And it becomes, I don't believe it's it's not earmarked.

Well, it is it's not for a certain one.

So the the cash comes in.

So we have the stormwater utility fee, about 20 something million dollars annually.

Included in that fee is payment for debt service, right?

So you pay debt service on the bonds, right?

So when the when the council says yes, you're gonna get that money.

That's why I keep saying budget authority, because we have the authority to spend that money.

But the way our OMB folks will work is if you're not you may have the budget authority, but if you're not ready to spend that money, they try not to get buy those bonds.

Right, nor should they but the money is there, the is there.

No, no, the money is there.

It's only because they they took it away, they went in my pocket and took it away from that's so there's there's the fee that comes in about 20 million.

Yeah, then there's then there's also debt that right that we take on.

Right, but it but and most of these construction projects have a mix of about eighty-five to fifteen percent bonds to cash.

So a project like this of the construction of it should be all bonds, so that's paid for over time by people.

Yeah, so why that while the cash comes in and is used for different things, most of the funding for the construction of this big project is gonna be bonds, right?

Yes, but up till now, far more money has come in than has been spent.

As we looked at last time in November, it's about eight million dollars of there's money been spent and there's money that's been earmarked, if you will, right for a lot of projects.

And the difference is about eight million.

Right.

So is the money that's come in that wasn't spent gathering interest.

It's in the general fund.

Yeah.

So yeah, it's in the general, it's like any any fees or any other fees in the that the city collects, it goes in the general fund.

Right.

So then that's a small portion of the construction cost.

To my to my knowledge, I don't know that the city has one of these, you know, guys with a you know, uh and a lamp sitting in his desk, and he's like moving, he's moving money every 24 hours, you know, back and forth to get the I I don't know that that's the case.

I don't think it's possible.

But if it's making interest, and interest should go into I don't think it's same chasing.

It's not it's not it's that's not how the city budget would work.

It's not like a goes in the general fund, it's been cash accounting, yeah.

Um counted for, or yeah.

Well, there's a there's a cash account, but that's a different yeah.

But it no cash accounting.

This yeah, yeah, I think this is more of a cash count.

Yeah, cash counting.

So I think we killed that one that horse is down, it's an interesting question.

It is interesting question.

It's an interesting question, but to my knowledge, based on everything I've ever heard or see.

And you can look at the budget, you've nowhere we just is gonna say interest on you know money that's in the general fund that hasn't been spent or anything.

I don't think there's anything in there like that.

So yeah.

All right, why don't we keep moving?

Yeah, good idea.

Musical financial funds.

All right.

So the next thing is um it changes the implementation program.

Also you requested John talked about, but it's it's about the same situation as before, except what we described.

Uh so first I can run through this, Dan if you if you like me to Fleet is not on what we talked about this, and it's just a rundown of what we ever fiscal year over a fiscal year.

I think the thing to point out is in FY26, right?

We're halfway done and we have six approved applications, not a lot, right?

And as Dan was, you know, we talked started talking about a little bit about um the bills that were introduced that we're worried about, it's HB 214, and it is vegans.

Yeah, um, and it does sound like it's probably 214, yeah, 214 eight uh HP.

And it does sound like reading it too, that's probably nonprofits or whom whomever's um it helped introduce that or worked with somebody to get that introduced.

Um, but yeah, that we don't know we talked about host front cobra bypass and pit and gibbon.

So we don't know what the changes were gonna do here because it's going to be affected by those projects, yeah, right.

If we do uh no, I I understand this total.

I think you want to be very careful if you expand the program.

Yeah, we need to expand the program, but I think you need to be careful about it, yeah.

Because there is no such thing as free lunch, right?

I mean, that's true.

If you make it open to everybody, might spend a lot of money and not solve the problem.

Yeah, so then so that's what we've you know, initially kind of when we've been batting these ideas around is and we talked a little bit about this is creating these different areas, right?

Yeah, so and have have a good have good data behind our reasoning and the criteria that we use to say in this area we don't have an engineering solution, so we're going to implement this enhanced grant program.

And if you're within these bounds, if you will, then you can get this enhanced, you know, instead of five, you get whatever that X would be more than five.

And it would still be probably you know 50-50 or maybe something a little bit different.

There's some of the things that we have to work out.

Um, but yeah, we don't know what kind of hit that's gonna create on the program.

We're gonna potentially have to bring other funding in there.

We do have some funding with the host from culvert bypass.

Yeah, right.

This is a minuscule hit.

This is just no, I'm talking about a hit from those from covert bypass if it costs 20 million dollars to do flood proof.

Well, but this is a minuscule hit.

It's still better than nothing.

No, it is, but the point I'm making is in the grand scheme of all the money they're collecting, this is minuscule.

Yeah, no, one percent, yeah.

Right.

So this is but and so the point the point for this is saying, you know, hey, we're our program, you know, we don't have we only have these six approved applications where you see year over year around 100, maybe a little less, a little more.

Um, so we will have some money in this fund, but then we got to figure out what would be the potential cost of doing an expanding program in big given area in a certain code or bypassing, yeah.

And we still have those were bigger hit.

I'm also looking at going back to some of these previous applicants and what it would be like to do more.

So all of that's kind of in there table.

So the hope was we were gonna we were gonna tackle all that, yeah.

But with the host run covert pick given, you had to kind of put the brakes on.

Because that could be so big.

Yeah, to see what the program's gonna be, because it might be we can't do 10, we can't increase that, or yeah, you know, or management says we shouldn't increase that, you know.

So there's all those things that have to go into it from a policy decision.

That's why this is a little bit on hold.

Yeah, no, I I'm very encouraged by the fact that you've got a consultant coming in, because I suspect you're gonna have to do some engineering first.

Yeah, you gotta do some modeling and modeling, see what the areas are and what kind of programs and we'll hear some recommendations, some ideas, look at some other programs around the country, what they do, you know, and float float those ideas out there and come up with a recommendation.

Yeah, because I I I do think the the wrong approach would be say, well, let's just increase it to ten thousand dollars.

Yeah, you're gonna you're gonna spend the money and you might not solve the problem, right?

Are you yeah, you might not you're not the way I look at you never solve a problem, right?

You just make it better in certain circumstances, right?

So yeah, we might not provide we might not provide good uh relief, right?

Right, with a little bit more money, yeah.

So what what this tells me is by the way, are each of those applications a unique individual?

Unique property, I'll say that unique property, right?

Okay, so that's 400 or so probably almost 400 individuals, yeah.

I think that's a really big win to talk about.

That's that's big.

Yeah, yeah, $2,000 each, give or take.

Um five up to five.

Up to five, but the actuals look like they're averaging out at about two thousand.

So probably five thousand dollars.

Each you have six this year.

How can you have done 41,000?

Six times five is thirty thousand.

Is it a common area?

Yeah, that one too.

The common area, yeah.

Yeah, the twenty thought the twenty-five thousand.

Yeah, we yeah, so it's one we know our friends on five little ones, yeah.

Oh yeah.

The six of the six units or seven units.

Five at two and one at 30.

Yeah, yeah.

It's 25.

Yeah, we have at least one.

Good.

No, I mean, okay, it's where we are.

Yeah.

All right, if we move on, the next item is support for a stormwater fee.

Okay.

This is mine, right?

That's yours.

Okay, everybody.

Um couple of dates to think about.

Um the CIP, you know, the capital improvement program, which has all these stormwater projects in it, it presented by the city manager in late February, correct?

Sounds about right.

Yeah, it's like February 27th, something like that.

And there will be hearings, public hearings in March on the 14th, and in April on the 18th.

And I would encourage every uh committee member who feels so moved to either give testimony or write a letter to uh city council and support because you have each of you has a very prestigious title.

You're a member of this committee, and you have all the rights, privileges, and emoluments associated with this pos this committee.

So if you you really feel moved, I encourage you, don't go through me, just go directly to to write either a letter or statement or testify what you like about this program.

You know, the fact that I think great progress is being made, harder than we thought.

Ask a study made it look easy, it ain't that easy.

Um, we're making progress just to give support because Kate Katie's right.

We've had what three dry years, two dry years.

Two to three.

It's easy to forget.

Nothing wrong with that.

Well, but it's easy to forget.

It's easy to forget why we're doing this.

Yeah, place it.

Yeah.

I mean, and that's got us in this mess in the first place.

So uh think about it.

Don't go through many and use your own words.

Each of you have been here for two plus years.

Seen this from the inside, been briefed by by these experts.

What do you think?

What do you see it?

I'd also remind us all too that it's easy on our part to get complacent because we we have a council that's been so supportive of this program, and I think it's important not to lose that as people are shifting and moving and going and growing and whatever the case may be.

Oh he warned us specifically about 2027.

Um that's a very real yes, it is which is part of my hesitancy about increasing the fee this time.

And we'll still write our annual report and answer the three big questions.

You know, is the money being spent in the right places?

Are we moving fast enough?

And and is it enough?

Um I think we need to place more emphasis on the unexpected headwinds we have faced, and the likelihood that the solution will take longer and cost more than we had previous that had previously been expected, yeah.

And the call and and that the councils and that the notion that the 10-year lifetime for the committee um may have may have been over optimistic.

The 10-year lifetime implies that it'll be finished in 10 years.

I think we ought to tell them we we've done here's why it won't.

Yeah, that was the theme of our last annual report.

By the way, all the annual reports are posted on the website.

Encourage you, read them uh if as you write your testimony or whatever you're gonna do.

And put them in chat GBT to shape what else else you might want.

Yeah, use uh AI to write our testimony, probably come up better than if I wrote it.

Yeah, yeah.

Oh, you gotta evaluate it.

You don't like what you comes out with just Brock.

Who knows what we could end up with?

But uh anyway, encourage everybody to do that.

Um, and you're right, you know, climate change doesn't stop in the year 2035.

Some people don't have it as much on the radar, that's good weather.

Yeah, but the one else can it's benefit, right?

It's not just a narrow focus on the stone, right?

What else we looking at?

The streets are getting any darker and not correct.

Interesting, yeah.

I don't think climate change plays a big role in if a five an hour storm hits, it's gonna play a big role.

And it's going to damage keep continue damaging uh anything that's there, right?

Just rain rates directly impact all of that.

The insolubility engineering insolubility is of that problem is not climate change related.

That's inherent.

They have always had flooding there, it may be more frequent and worse.

You can say I see about Manning Street.

We have a lot of projects on the list that fall into that bucket, yeah.

But rain rates will continue to make the force.

And I sent around an article showing that urbanization contributes to in increased rainfall, yeah.

Relative to nearby rural areas.

Oh, yeah.

So it may not just be climate change, there may be other factors at work.

Yeah, it's all interconnected.

So encourage everybody to make your council or speak.

That also has a lot of impact.

So 14th, and then what did we say?

April 14th and April 18th.

Good, good.

Anything else, Dr.

Dan?

Well, we have uh time for public comments.

Public comments, anybody.

No, no comments.

Okay, we're done.

Motion to motion to adjourn.

Thank you.

All in favor?

Good meeting.

Good morning, everybody.

Thanks.

Thank you for the progress.

Thank you everybody to have an answer.

Yeah.

So uh it says that uh cities generally do earn interest on their general fund balance.

Yeah.

If permitted by the state, you know, by the state.

So the state of Virginia does allow that with some caliots, etc.

If it's a restricted fund, the interest accrues to the restricted fund.

If it's a general fund, the interest accrues to the general fund that shows up in the funding as revenue from invested funds, something like that.

Is the strongwater free and restricted fund or is it?

Yes, yes.