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Good evening.

The March 18th, 2026 meeting of the Transportation Commission is being held in person at 2900 Business Center Drive and electronically.

Members of the Transportation Commission and staff are participating in person and from remote locations through video conference call and Zoom.

The meeting can be accessed by the public in person or via Zoom.

Commission members.

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Let us open the public comment period.

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Close.

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First speaker is Avarelle Talbot.

That's a hi.

Thank you.

April Talbot.

Would you like to sit here so the camera and microphones can get chicken up?

Yeah.

On the top of this thing here.

So welcome.

Thank you.

Hi, my name is Avril Talbot.

I live nearby.

And have you been concerned about a couple of things along Duke Street, walking from the King Street Metro up the hill to Robert Frain?

It's not very well lit.

So just some concerns about that.

And also concerns about better bicycle paths along Duke Street, especially either from the King Street Metro or even from Old Town Alexander.

Okay.

So then launch.

And I'm sorry, uh Ms.

Talbot.

Yes.

What was the street that you first mentioned that you uh that should that needs more lighting?

Duke Street Street.

Oh, just Duke Street.

Okay.

All right, sounds good.

And are you familiar with the uh Duke Street Transitway project?

Yeah, I thought that was gonna be more of the discussion tonight, but just the general discussion, I think will be helpful as well.

Okay.

All right.

Do we hear other public?

Yeah, there's another.

Yes.

Uh the next speaker.

Um Carolyn Mohan.

Carolyn Mohan.

I'm a neighbor of Ms.

Talbot's.

Welcome.

Thank you.

Thank you for having us.

So um a couple of things I would like to raise.

One is, you know, I know that there's information out there, but I don't quite understand it.

Um, so I've been a resident owner for 20 years here, and I use I'm a New Yorker, so I use I choose to use the dash bus and walk um most of the way wherever I need to go.

So I do like the dash bus.

So one concern I have is I'm not actually sure what's going on with the bus.

I know that there's there's been um discussion about like a expedited lane, and I know of that, but I'm not sure what it means for me when I take the dash 30 and do local stops to do like my grocery shopping and sort of all along Duke Street.

I'm not clear on if the local bus will no longer be running, so that's one concern I have.

Another concern is I know that there's something happening with um Duke and Telegraph and something is gonna be temporarily changed, and I'm not sure what that is.

Uh so there's I know there's information there and um maps, but I really don't understand it.

So that those are the two main two main things.

My confusion.

Yes.

Okay.

Um yeah, and those are uh just to kind of clarify real quick, and I'm happy to talk uh offline or we could talk like at a you know tomorrow or something about it, but um the Duke Street Transitway.

Um it's uh under engineering design right now.

It'll take about two years and then construction will take about two years, but yes, it'll a feature for a lot of it, uh bus lanes down the middle so that the buses don't get caught in congestion and so they'll operate faster and more reliably.

Um and then you know, the stops we have laid out basically at all of the uh main activity centers.

Um and there's going to be fewer of them, but that also, but they're not gonna be so many fewer that it'll be hard to get to.

Um, and then the Duke and West Taylor Run project.

Um, yeah, it's basically so um now that when you come down, uh if you're coming down uh West Taylor Run, you used to be able to get right onto Telegraph, which then caused a lot of cut through traffic to go down West Taylor Run, and then it was really hard.

So then that was blocked off.

And so now the new project now this the next stage of that project, I should say, is going to allow people to turn left onto Duke Street and then turn left onto telegraph.

And so there's going to be a new kind of road connection there.

And I'm happy to talk that through too.

There's a public meeting coming up in a couple of weeks about it too.

So um, and so yeah.

One uh one other thing that's uh uh I think that she directly was was concerned about is the uh have the local buses for the Route 30.

I think that basically the the express buses would be kind of overlaid over route that there still would be local buses along Duke Street, but I think it's all the same bus stops, it's all the same service area.

Yeah, but yeah, the the but but the route will be there.

The route will be there, but but but you'll also have this basically an express service as well.

Well, that's not how I understand it.

Oh, really?

Oh, okay.

Right.

I I understand it as the um the transit way is the facility, and I don't think Dash has like necessarily planned the service that goes on top of that facility yet.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but like the first thing that would happen is all the buses that are running there would go in the facility and use all the express stops, but there might be improvements to as they always do over time, they improve the the route structures so that the routes are optimized.

Like 30 and 31 have been consolidated and sort of changed to become this circulator in old town now, and like all the stops that they go along were designed to make it so there's really frequent service there, and then it extends out sort of on the on the out into the the areas in the west end.

But um, but but yeah, I think the routes will all use those same express stops.

But that's still something that the operations plan will determine that.

Exactly.

That's something that they really haven't determined.

They haven't determined, but but but at least to start everything will be on the um will be on the improved infrastructure is kind of the way it's gonna be in the middle of the route.

So then people are walking from the sidewalk to get into the middle of the only part of it will be that way, but the those places where it is um in the center, they're gonna provide make provisions for pedestrians to get there.

Okay, so it's not gonna be you just sort of like float over there.

Have you been up on Metroway in Potomac Yard?

Yeah, but it's gonna be like that.

Yeah, yeah.

For for at least parts of it, because there are width constraints, which is what Casey's talking about.

So it depends on the exact part of Duke Street that you're on, but Metroway and Potomac Yard, if you want to explore up there, um to head up, I don't know, where the target is or um in that area along Route One, there's center running bus bus lanes.

And so there's there's um it's separated, there's median islands and and ways to make it so that you're you do have to cross the street to get into where the bus stop is, but it's all um this there's protected space for you to stand on and that kind of thing.

Okay, yeah, okay, great.

Thank you.

Yeah, it is a big shelter.

Okay, and so if you'd like, um I can reach out to you if you want to put uh all right.

Um more public speakers, right?

So motion to close the uh period.

I'm second favor.

I uh let's turn to the minutes of the January 21 meeting.

I hear a motion to uh approve any comments or motion to open discussion.

Okay, yeah, yeah.

I don't think we need a motion to open discussion on it, but but we do need a motion to approve if people are good with them.

Any comments on it?

Great motion to approve.

So moved.

Second there have any issues with the 50 minutes.

Fantastic.

Action item will go to the city for the proposed city FY 2027 operating budget and FY 2027-2036 capital improvement program.

All right.

So as you made or uh as you hopefully you heard, um, February 24th, the city manager submitted his uh draft or his proposed FY20, and I should say 27th budget to council, sorry.

Um which kind of outlines like basically how he you know how he envisions the city to be funded.

Um but it is uh very much of a draft, and so uh it's being debated or kind of discussed with city council.

Uh there's actually a discussion tonight on the TNES budget, um, and then several other departments as well.

Um then there's a few other major dates in this uh that all happened in April.

The 18th is the city uh tax rate public hearing, and then city council will have a preliminary ad delete hearing where if they want to add anything to the budget, they also have to take something out of the budget because it is fiscally constrained.

Um, and then they'll have their final meeting on that April 27th, and then the budget uh must be adopted on April 29th by city council.

So um the we have almost a billion dollars of operating budget and just over $2 billion in our 10-year CIP capital budget as well.

Uh and then some highlights of this.

Um Dash uh increases uh increases for Dash funding um due to the uh the line 3 one uh along Eisenhower Avenue.

Um, and then uh collective bargaining agreement uh cost increases.

Uh Womata increase operations funding increased a lot this year.

Um, and that was uh, you know, we're generally told it would increase about three percent this year increased 11%.

Apparently, it was due to a uh calculation error where they're calculating riders from Arlington too much and not from Alexandria or something like that.

But either way, um this the big jump is to adjust for um previous years uh mistakes, I guess, errors.

Um and then there is uh in the 10-year CIP budget, there's 14 and a half million dollars for complete streets, eight and a half million dollars for safe rides to school, um a almost nine million dollars for sidewalk maintenance, and uh 192 million for WMATA capital uh costs as well.

Can I ask a question about that?

So the first two indicate that there's increases, the last four are they static?

Are they less than what they were?

I mean, what's um what am I seeing here?

What are you looking at?

Good question.

Um complete streets is a little higher than it was proposed last year.

Uh and safe rats to school is about the same.

Yeah, but yeah, that's a good comment.

I will adjust that for next year.

So maintenance is mod or about a couple are about the same.

And then um 67 million dollars for street reconstruction.

Um should note that one uh principal planner in transportation planning was position uh that's been vacant.

Um you can imagine anyone who hasn't been here since August or May, actually.

Uh her position was eliminated, unfortunately.

You mean the position that we keep waiting for you to have to support your work?

Yes, that position.

Yeah.

Um yeah.

Uh I was I was that wasn't gonna be my question.

Who who is the the magical principal planner we didn't need?

Right, yes.

So you'll be seeing a lot more of me uh and hearing a lot more from me.

Uh so you know, and then and obviously there are other uh vacant uh positions eliminated.

And the um the priority was to um you know maintain current staffing and maintain current service levels.

So this is a very common technique used uh during budget years.

Um yeah, transit access and amenities has almost four million dollars, uh, so does electric bus charging.

Uh there's 126, yes.

Sorry, I have a before we leave the eliminated position.

This is more of a logistical question.

In a better budget year.

How hard is it for you to get it back?

Like I know that sometimes it's you know you got to provide all this rationale for why you need the position, but this is a position you had allocated, it was filled, it was being used, and then just because it happened to be vacant in a window of time when they were looking for cuts, it's gone.

Right.

Is it does it have an expedited approval process later on?

Uh there is no good answer for that.

Uh, I mean, there's not an expedited approval process, however, realistically it might be easier to get that position back than to um ask for a brand new position for something totally different.

So okay.

Yeah.

Okay.

But technically, yeah.

Yeah.

And then uh okay, yeah.

And then yeah.

Sorry, I had I have an operational question.

I thought this one's gonna be operational also.

So one of the things we experienced experienced this year was a rather increased cost upon snow removal.

And but we still have the problem that snow removal is very targeted, right?

Which is that uh sidewalks and bike lanes seem to be afterthoughts if they're at at all addressed.

Um and so is there was there a plan to increase the funding for that budget for that?

Uh where does it what slot does that land in?

Um, I see the reconstruction and resurfacing, right?

But the kind of the operational component maintaining the streets yeah, so that yeah, that falls in a different bucket that I didn't put out here.

Um yeah, these are kind of transportation highlights.

And that would be kind of operational street maintenance highlight.

But in all that transportation, I mean technically in the big picture organization.

Yeah.

Okay, and then um dash fleet expansion, electrification, and then uh there's funding for smart mobility as well.

So the 9.3 million for new dash bus replacement.

Oh, that's all for one year.

Yes.

That's a lot of buses.

Yeah, so whoops, sorry.

The way, yeah, I mean, the way Dash um replaces buses is that buses are generally considered um aged out uh at the end of their life at 12 years.

Right.

And so um it just depends on how many or like what happened 12 years ago.

So um bus replacements, uh, yeah.

And how many and what kind buses are they going to buy?

Um, I don't know.

Okay.

Um I can buy that for you if you'd like.

Great.

And then for the safe routes to school.

Um is that something that's 250,000 every year for a couple of years?

I know we had talked about safety before.

Uh is there any way to bring forward some of the safety spending so it's safer right away instead of over a four-year period?

Well, um not really.

And the reason I say that is because it's about yeah, about 250,000 a year.

Um, a lot of this is actually acts as a local match for state and federal grants.

And so um, you know, we don't want to spend it all up front now.

And it is also local money, and so um, you know, the local revenue wouldn't, you know, like yeah, the local revenue wouldn't support 8.4 million dollars in FY27 for say for assistance rule.

But this is also talked about kind of the the tail on getting grant funding, it's so long, and there's no good uh way to get enough local money to be able to make an impact.

Um you can make trade-offs with other issues.

Yeah, but but and don't forget that complete streets also has uh right is is an important safety program as well.

So well, my my feedback.

Oh well, I'll wait for the feedback, but okay, thank you.

Yeah.

Comments on the budget.

So we're is this the last slide?

Sure.

Yes.

So next steps.

Um the commission provides feedback, and we could uh this would then go in a letter.

We could do it one of two ways.

One, you know, what we did last year is that uh we I took your comments and put them in a letter, and then in the April meeting, um, the commission reviewed the letter and then approved it, and that was sent to council.

Um, if you would like to do it more quickly, then um we I could also put the letter together and then uh Chair McMahon is Chair McManus could then sign it through out the uh or between this meeting and the next meeting.

So I our next transportation commission meeting is April 15th, I think.

Yeah, so that seems to me we might want to get it in sooner so they've got time to deal with ed delete work if necessary.

Would be my suggestion.

Right.

Yeah, I mean, if we if we just agree on comments tonight, right, you craft it and sign it.

Sure, yeah, it's good.

That would think so.

So let me just I think my leading comment is uh, and we've talked about this before, but to the extent that you know we really pro we have to make priorities.

I know every year you have to allocate things to various sidewalks, what have you, but I'd like to city to consider frontloading issues of safety as much as they could realize the trade-offs of the matching funds, but but you know, uh sometimes it is a priority of one thing over the other.

And I think uh you know, we could we should lean into that just philosophically and throw that uh to the commission.

Thank you.

Okay.

So my comment is is is related to snow removal.

And I know the city manager is planning to provide the city council uh what worked and what didn't work on this last round of snow removal, but uh my experience is I can tell you right now that what's never worked is clearing sidewalks in a timely manner, and um particularly now the bike lanes that we're starting to get in, especially the uh protected bike needs.

Um so I don't know when the city manager is planning to provide that feedback, but I think it would be really uh critical to sort of make clear that we need to be sure we're properly funding the ability to uh address whatever occurs.

Except this was an extraordinary snowstorm we got this year, followed by extraordinary weather outgrades, but that shouldn't be the excuse.

Um you know what are we gonna do if that happens again?

Um and be able to uh address it properly.

And you know, frankly, one of the things that always frustrates me is I see these messages from the city saying please stay off the roads because we're trying to clear the roadways.

Well, if people are supposed to get around, how are they supposed to get around if they can't use the roadway and they're a pedestrian?

And we we don't clear the sidewalks, you know, it can go weeks.

Uh hell dash had to get wamada to help them to clear their but bus stops.

And clearing the bus stop doesn't get people to the bus stop.

It only gets the bus stop cleared, but how do I get to the bus stop?

Um so there were a lot of bus stops where you had to climb a snowbank to get to before you can get on the bus.

Right.

Yeah, right.

Yeah, and I don't know what the city manager was planning to get public feedback on the efforts that the city undertook.

Now I'm not criticizing what was done.

I think the staff did an amazing job with the resources they had, but the problem is we go in empty-handed to start with, and it's really hard to catch up from that point.

So I I would like to see in the letter something emphasizing that we need to address making uh our city uh usable by all users uh after snowstorm.

Yeah, and oh yeah, I just wanted to add a little detail, which I noticed quite a bit, and that was that even after the streets were quote unquote clear, and even after a lot of residents and businesses cleared their sidewalks, the corners that you'd need to get across were still full.

Yeah, that was because all the plows do is go straight down and straight down, and the corners were just full, so you couldn't get off the curves.

And and there were there were like I would I would routinely encounter folks kind of like elderly folks kind of stuck and not they need help getting across over to the next to the next crossing.

So I don't know if that's a if it's a strategy thing because ultimately I don't know if there's machinery that could do that better or if it's human manpower that has to do that, like literally shoveling or snowblowing or something, but it was a missing link because I know that the city will push back on sidewalk clearing and say we can't do it, it's too much.

That's why we have a code that says you got to clean your your own sidewalk, even though it's public space.

Um, but even after all that did occur, we still have these blockages, which could be right at the end of your block.

Like everyone on your block did their job, and then you get to the end and you still couldn't get off your block.

So I yeah.

Yeah, I was rehabbing from hip surgery, and I had to negotiate those hills and I couldn't.

So I had to either go backwards or uh you know, try to get out in the street some way, right?

Uh and and then trying to get to the push button to be able to get the walk signal so you can cross Duke Street.

I couldn't cross Duke Street.

Right.

Right.

Sure.

So uh had revenue the estimates haven't been issued, right?

Uh sorry.

Revenue re-estimates.

Um I don't I don't know.

I mean the revenue estimates have been established, but I just know that that's uh often timely because uh they come out with revenue reestimate uh just before they finally approve the budget.

And honestly, if there's not a heavy snow year, yeah, use that money for the other things.

You know, there's there's other things that happen in the spring that could be planned to use the snow money you didn't have to use.

Heaven forbid we have a little bit of extra snow money, but um was did you have any other things you wanted to add to your budgetary commentary?

No, just that that was the one that just keeps nagging at me year after year after year.

Um I had a quest quick question and then comments.

Um the increase in related to Potomac Yard special revenue fund.

Right.

What is that?

What does that mean?

I'm glad you asked.

I spent about two weeks trying to figure out what that was.

Okay.

Um, so that has to do with the Potomac Yard.

So the Potomac Yard area has uh additional property tax that's overlaid on them, and that is basically just coming from the tax to put into the Potomac Yard fund to help pay the debt service for the work for that Potomac Yard.

So this is an increase because the tax is anticipated to bring that money in in that in the in this year and be spent right this year.

Right.

Right.

Okay.

Right.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Okay.

Thank you.

That those I was I was my hunch was that this was tax money coming in in that special district, but it wasn't really clear how we were just increasing.

Um excuse me, but isn't wasn't Metro also assessing the city for more cost associated with the Tony Stark?

It's roughly a million dollars.

That's part of the uh operating expense that that would that we'd be giving out of this was on top of so you're saying the million is the new uh they came up with uh I thought it was that point five million, but well, no, I think this basically it's it was about a million dollars just to operate the new station.

This is nothing to do with operating.

This had to do with the construction of the station.

There was an additional fee, uh, I think it was like six six point five million, and I don't know how that's being funded if it's part of that Wamada's distribution would that be CIP or I I don't think there's part construction.

I think that's like bond financing or something.

Yeah.

Um, it's most likely being funded with this with this same, yeah.

This this same fund is supposed to do a bunch of things in relation to to funding that area.

Yeah, but it just sounds it sounds to me like the way it's being reflected here is to observe that this increase is coming into that fund in that way.

Yeah, okay.

Um well, one of my comments is related to that vacant principal position, principal planner position.

In years past, we have beat the drum hard that we need people to manage money and projects to get work done.

And we can go out for all the grants in the world, but if we don't have the people to execute on the projects, we can't do them.

Yeah, so I'm always made skeptical slash nervous and frustrated when positions are cut um or not provided when we ask for new positions.

So I think that I would love for our letter to speak to that um because we need we it's it's um subject matter expertise we don't have, it's diversity of thought we don't have, and it's just plain manpower, human power, man and vacuum.

I'm sorry, how long is the position vacant?

Just she she went on something.

I mean, so technically since August.

Uh however, for the three months before that, she was on maternity.

Well, that was three million years.

Yeah, practically speaking since May.

Yeah.

Okay.

Yeah.

Um, so that's a key key point I'd like to make in our letter.

Um generally I'm I think the letter should probably say some nice things about uh keeping certain funding areas stable, the willingness to we're not cutting dash service as far as I can tell.

Um, but we have to increase funding to support the collective bargaining agreements.

Um and that's just gonna be the way the way of the world for us, um, even when we keep things stable.

So I don't know.

I think I think we can't get everything in this year's budget, but we can acknowledge that the the city is putting its foot forward to maintain its contribution levels for Womata and that we need to do these things.

And I kind of hope they don't make this kind of calculation mistake in the future so that we have an expectation of three percent and we get 11.

That's a big difference.

Um, a big surprise.

Yes.

And that's money that probably staff were all thinking could have been spent somewhere else and then you realized you can't um yeah.

Great other thoughts Leslie and we okay.

All right so we will work on a letter the intro possible let us move on we need to vote on that at all because I think the idea was that you might you might send it through before you come back.

Yeah so uh anyone like make a motion to trust me to read the letter to authorize the chair I can I'll make the motion that uh the that the mission uh provide authorize the the the uh the chairman to to uh write and sign the letter which expresses the thoughts we did it and and this uh discussion second tie per second all you may or I fantastic let's move along to the discussion item Alexander moves transition survey thank you so we have Carson Lucarelli here who's welcome taking over some of Emily's roles okay are you being paid for two positions that was the question there's watch out you might send them back to planning and zoning no chance to have thank you well yeah so yeah as Chris mentioned mine is partially really so you all may remember me for my lovely time P and Z.

I'm here uh to talk yeah sorry who doesn't we need thank you yeah so yeah I just wanted to come back spin two years since we talked last about the Alex survey which is the biannual transportation survey that we do every two years and um we stuck with Folker this time folks out of uh Madison so yeah let's dive right in um the methodology really hasn't changed much um and before I go to the next slide I just wanted to note that you know the reason I've printed out these nice color copies is because we had some edits made by the uh by the survey company to include more longitudinal data for uh years like 2016 which which for what it's worth was a separate company and so for dates where that data is present you'll now see this in here versus what's online so we're gonna get the online page yeah exactly we're gonna get the online page uh rectify but in the meanwhile please report of this uh it's obviously it's absent with the appendix because that would bring it to 200 pages each um carcer real quick um was that in part due to the fact that 2021 is a COVID year and it's like weird to do a longitudinal description in data that starts in COVID and moves forward from there is that was that one of the thoughts behind adding in 2016 no to be honest we just kind of wanted to see some trends and you know we'll we'll touch on some of those tonight.

Okay.

Um so yeah work commutes so as you all may imagine you know your people are working from home full time um couple some of the other trends that we saw you know green is up red is down um some of the interesting ones are obviously metro rail and walking or up which is great if you look at those over time you know more folks are walking for a whole variety of reasons you know than really at any point that we've surveyed obviously return to work diminished for obvious reasons but the number of people with hybrid work schedules obviously went up right well and that's one of the really um where you have the 2016 data in here working from home was only six percent wow then before it was the norm and then it went up to 40 percent in 2021 and then it's creeping back down again as things sort of rationalize but then metro rail and drive alone were the the big splits of what was going on before COVID and and people started thinking differently about work.

So I have a question it it's really nice to see that you've broken out capital bike share from Viking but the problem is that that sends a different kind of message because people look at just biking and they don't necessarily see the capital bike short share.

I think that would be useful because I think one of the things with capital bike share and and probably not captured here are the other uh right uh companies that provide e-bikes.

And so I it the increase on the capital bike share, I suspect is as much e-bike as it is the analog bike.

Um and that might be driving why some people don't ride their own bike because they don't have an e-bike.

So I think we need to nuance that just a little bit more because some people see that they just say, ah, see, no, no, just riding a bike.

But the reality is I think form three adds up uh to more than what might uh have been there, or if nothing else, you wouldn't have necessarily seen a drop in biking.

And is other modes scooters?

I I'd have to look back uh the adventix to see how that's defined in the in the survey instrument.

Um scooters were definitely part of that, but yeah, yep.

That's kind of uh motorcycle.

Maybe make a cycle.

Yeah, because like on the one hand, motorcycle is sort of different than these other things we're talking about, but that to that same vein that um Commissioner Cain's referring to.

I see in terms of what it means for the environment, what it means for our infrastructure, what it means for public health and and and other kinds of priorities when we're trying to make infrastructure match the community, capital bike share biking and scooters and skateboards and like whatever other things, those those single wheel things that some people ride, they all kind of go together into one bucket.

And back in 2016, there wasn't a scooter single wheel, like they didn't they didn't exist.

So those same people might have been bicycling, or maybe they weren't doing anything at all.

So it I think it it helps to look at that as a bucket of I don't know what the right term is.

Yeah, I would agree with that.

So I I think trying to capture that net number of people who are not using some of these other things would be pretty uh pretty useful.

So I think if the question starts out if you if you don't use bike bus, this uh do you use alternate means you know, whatever this is going to be called, and then start to break it down into the various modes and uh that occurs would be I think useful.

Great points.

Um the other uh one of the other things that's uh this this just comes as as a as a transit geek would look at it.

Um in addition to Metro Rail, but bus is also engineering its way up.

So it's uh it's uh uh that's that's another good news story, even though you know it's it's it hasn't quite reached uh that to the pre-COVID era, but it's it's it is uh going up, which is great.

And does is VRE included in Metro Rail, or is that separate?

Well, well, the and and really VR V doesn't it doesn't contribute that much to uh uh to Alexandria.

That's that that's almost all it beyond Alexandria.

Yeah, so you know, a couple of the things that you all touched on were you know, there may be some surprises here, not surprises, but the interesting nuance that we'll touch on.

So I mean, obviously, you know, a lot of this shouldn't be a surprise to anyone, you know, people still think people still perceive driving, you know, to be the most quickest more convenient um way to get around.

Again, we're looking at main reasons for driving to work in 25.

Um as you can see, you know, the correlation between fewer people working from home and um the regular work schedule.

So, you know, there's obviously a correlation there.

Um one of the things that I thought was interesting is privacy went up almost 10% um in between now and 2023.

So not sure uh what's motivating that, but you know, it kind of stood out to me a little bit.

Um that's what folks are.

Maybe it speaks to it's a mode of choice instead of a mode of necessity.

Because a lot of, I don't know, I feel like historically the claim is I have to drive to work because it takes too long to do it by transit or whatever, or I can't, I don't have transit near me.

But now if you're saying privacy, it kind of implies that you could be taking transit, but you're choosing not to.

And I don't think they would answer that way if there were some other more sort of obvious reason.

Um, but that's obviously it's just a hypothesis.

Um but maybe that's why it's up because there's more people, there's at least a portion of people who have been given access to transit since since the early days, um, but are still finding that they opt out of it because they don't like that as that aspect of it.

Um we started let's go to the next one.

So yeah, non-commute mode choices.

So these are modes that you know folks would use for various activities apart from you know the daily commute.

And you can see that you know, more Alexandrians are actually doing the things that you know, this body and others, you know, working further and so walking, taking the bus and parkouring.

So I think that those are um unique outliers that we can look to, especially as we're updating you know, various policies like Vision Zero and other action plans, things like that, um, to help inform those efforts.

Um bus is going up, so is MetroRail.

So that's um obviously really great.

Um to see that folks aren't just using it for commuting, it's you know, sort of becoming integrated or baked into daily routines.

Um let's go to the next slide.

So this slide was a little interesting.

Um, more people when I say more people since 2016 are walking, you know, essentially more people are walking now than since since this survey started in 2016, but uh ironically fewer people are biking.

Um, and so you know, again, also a head scratcher, you know, what's driving that.

Um this is for commuting or specifically, or everything all trips for this is for active transportation.

So folks using walking or biking uh for exercise, leisure.

Okay, uh non-commute stuff.

Yeah, exactly.

Yeah, sorry for having part of that.

So actually that's a problem.

Uh I I think we should try to redefine this a little bit uh going forward.

I'm retired, so I I can't commute to work.

But I I don't necessarily uh yeah, I I go to meetings for instance this meeting and I I meet with people, I I deliver stuff for people, and I I think we need to kind of nuance the question a little bit and and not just sort of have this block that's commute and then call this other thing just active transportation.

Yeah, you know, I think coming to this meeting is active, but I don't but I also think going to work is active.

So I I struggle with this definition.

Well, and to be clear, the question was have you like in the past month, have you walked or biked for exercise for right?

I think I think active transportation might be the wrong header, yeah.

The wrong header, yeah.

Yeah, because when people ask me what do I use a bike for, I say for transportation.

Right.

Yeah, for yeah, you could say like yeah, active living or exercise or something.

But yeah, aren't you active if you're in a car?

I mean, I I don't that's a part of it.

I mean, you know, I usually tell people I ride my bike for transportation.

You know, great.

Yeah, and I don't try to then break it down to all these various things.

And then if you look at those smaller things in the other section that's like for other purposes, mode choices for non-commute trips, the bike share is higher.

Like it's it's not necessarily higher than every previous year, it's sort of a mix and match, but um, that's that's what the that's why this doesn't make any sense to me.

How it could go down when you see the the numbers uh for the use of bikes and bike shares is they're relatively the same, you know, split between uh how you're defining uh biker using the methods.

This this makes no sense.

Maybe people are just not bicycling for fun.

Maybe they're only bicycling for transportation.

There you go.

It's a hard work to come to have fun.

Yeah, sometime for fun.

Um, so yeah, moving right along.

So um, this slide we combined the barriers to walking, biking, public transit, because as you can imagine, there's a lot of overlap.

Um, you know, like one of the uh the gentlelady that spoke during the public comment period, you know, we see across the board, whether it's walking, biking, or transit folks want to see more lighting, more access to trails, the usefulness of routes, frequency of service, uh for biking specifically, availability of racks, ranked high, which checks out if you work in our office, you're getting lots of requests for those things.

Um and safety from traffic.

So no real surprises there.

Although you know, the one that kind of stood out to us was uh directness of routes.

I mean, if if you look in your in your free time in your leisure, um, when you're not actively biking and walking, um, you know, take a look at some of the routes.

Uh a fair number of the dash routes are direct.

So maybe it's this perception or notion that they're not as direct as people think them to be.

So uh that that was interesting.

Um here's another one on bikes and and usability.

Um so the number of people that own usable bikes has fallen almost 20% since 2016.

Um, and I think there's a lot more to dig into this.

Maybe it's because folks have more access to capital bike share.

Um maybe not.

Um, but it certainly is interesting.

You know, you can also see that there's you know, a moderate increase in electrical assist bikes.

So uh yeah, those are certainly closing off.

I mean, just it's like one see the drop of almost one percent.

Is it possible that there's some kind of trend that commercially you can check with like by looking at like what the bicycle association is reporting for sales to whether or not maybe you're we're dealing with something that's bigger than Alexandria.

We could, or it could be, you know, uh difference in the median age of the city, you know, maybe that's going up and kids are moving out that kind of thing, or it could, I mean, it could be a lot of things.

Yeah, yeah, I mean, it's possible.

It just seems like I mean, that seems statistically very significant.

So it definitely deserves more exploring, um, for sure.

So yeah, I mean, not surprisingly, you know, similar to what we were talking about for non-community trips, you know, um, and how we're seeing an increase in retro rail usage.

So homes with no vehicles are using metro rail most frequently um, you know, for non-commute destinations.

Um and figure 20 uh is basically saying that you know, folks who have the most bikes bike most uh school schools are you know not really much different from the last time around, you know, there's fewer students walking than in years surveyed past.

Um school bus uses it's down walking.

I just mentioned more kids are being driven uh by caregivers and um taxi and lift.

So what's not captured in that is how many are now using dash.

That's true.

Yeah, that they're there are a huge number.

Yeah, I mean, some days I think there's more kids on the bus than any other uh yeah.

So if we're not, we should be asking that question.

Yeah, that's dash is lowly uh that's a driver for the school transportation.

Yeah, that's that's correct.

Especially for our high school kids, yeah.

And middle schools.

Um, not you know, not all dissimilar from the last time around, you know, these are the common um, these are the number, you know, five reasons why you know you know why students are being driven to school.

You know, I thought distance to school was increasing, you know.

I don't know if that's because um it's students not associated with ACPS.

Um redistricting within this window of time hasn't started yet.

It hasn't started and it didn't happen in that window, right?

Yeah, so interesting.

Why would the distance to school yeah?

So do you have kids going to school downside of their district?

Yeah, maybe like in private schools and school or things across the river.

How many more people did the survey this time than last time?

They captured almost the same amount right under 620.

And what's the sampling approach again?

Uh 4500.

Well, they they submitted three uh uh sets of sets of question, what written prep questionnaires, right?

Basically, that's how but it was like a stratified sample or something, like it was a yeah, a randomized sample.

Yeah, yeah, the samples randomized, and they're you know, depending on whether you got an actual mailer in the mail, or you just caught one of it by a friend of Grapevine on the e-news, you know, there was specific pathways and okay.

Okay, like if you got it in the mail, you were just to do the one that you got in the mail, you weren't to click the link or scan the code per se.

Um, things like that.

Um but it wasn't just a convenience thing where like the link was promoted on social media or out through certain feeds, and then the people who heard about it got to got so answer.

I don't know.

It was like uh the only reason I ask is like even for a large sample like this, depending on who if it's a convenience sample and it gets out to specific feeds of of community neighborhood, you know, lists, then those neighborhoods will all answer it and some other neighborhood won't get a chance to answer it.

So um the sampling approach.

I mean, if it's the same as every other year, in other words, if we always sample this way, then it wouldn't be an explanation for some of the specific shifts that we're seeing.

But if um but it's just worth thinking about representativeness, depending on so what they do is they I mean they do the samples, and then when they don't get enough, then they open it up to the public more, and then they weigh it, then they weigh those results based on exit code, things like that.

Yeah, okay.

Great.

Yeah, and there is some nuance, Christian uh Madam Chair, that that we can send related to how the sample was divvyed up this year.

Um I'm not remembering what the logic was, but it's slightly different, and it's really just has to do with like how Polco defines certain geographies to sample.

So we can send that.

It doesn't go over the directive summary, but happy to share that.

Um we're approaching the end here, and so um it should be no surprise that you know almost eight and ten folks know that Dash is free, but less than two out of ten know about Go Alex, which is you know, again our our offices transformations um you know resource to connect people to alternate modes, um, you know, apart from driving.

And so uh, you know, I included this outreach uh picture here just because you know we're seeing that you know that could be one of the tools in the toolbox to help further this.

Um, but how does Go Alex publicized?

Chris, yeah, I mean the time we got a mailer when you moved in.

Right.

You know, as you feel the chair, just pretend he knows nothing.

Yeah, I mean, uh I know that Go Alex has a presence uh, you know, community, you know, uh public events, you know.

I I think on occasion they're there at the farmer's market, the umware else.

Um anytime we have bike to work day, yeah, the Dell Pepper setting.

Yeah, they've started uh adding um bike valet, so that's another to some of the public events around and they're looking to try to increase that the participation.

I think there's like a car.

I used to see it around Old Town.

Yeah, well don't don't uh don't they still do uh goal Alex uh uh tables at at uh metro stations because I think that like I've seen them at Thing Street and other other metro stations.

So I think that the Go Alex is airport day and they yeah, so they are they did just update their strategic plan uh which they're going to present to the commission actually next month.

So this would be a great place to ask those questions.

Go Alex.

Yes, the Go Alex strategic plan.

Okay, but shown there is the mic bike map.

And so all the bike shop, the seven bike shops in the city now have those and they're getting ready to uh distribute those to the um rec centers and the libraries.

And so if you take that, it's on there is go alex uh and some information about Goal.

So that's yet another way they're outreaching the hopefully like clearly like there's a gap if only 18% are aware of it.

So I guess we'll have a chance to ask more questions.

Yeah, yeah.

We sort of got a behind the scenes peak uh earlier this week, and you know, marketing and outreach is in there.

So yeah, hold your thoughts for when I guess Josh and Katie come to talk, but yeah.

Um there'll be more work to be done, I think on that part.

Yeah, that's great.

That's our spiel for tonight.

Did you have any other questions or things you want to work into?

I had another question.

So this is going to be posted on where?

Uh on the web page.

Well, well, the version this document is up, it just doesn't have that 2016 data for the questions that we're saying now, but where is where?

Um there's a there's a link on the agenda.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

There's there's a link in line, but but it's on the long-range planning okay website.

So if you get a transportation planning website, then there's a I've got all the photos.

Yeah, I just want to be able to tell people on this, yeah.

Yeah, yeah.

Yeah, we'll let if you go on the transportation commission for it and the complete docket, basically for the for the this thing where it's uh that there's if you click on this link which says 2025 Alex Lou biannuals survey, it'll take you right there.

Yeah.

Um quick question, one last question.

Do we always do this survey at the same time of year?

We um we try to.

Um the only reason I ask is that um the the three out of four people who say that they would walk more if there was better lighting.

I mean, we're doing it between November and December, so it's some of the darker time of year.

And so it makes a lot of sense that we need lighting when it's dark, but also we might get a totally different answer if we were surveying in July.

Um, because it's hard to even find a time of day that it's not bright out in July.

But um, yeah, I don't know.

I think I think the lighting thing is interesting because we've we've looked at it in the past.

It's not necessarily a complete streets budget item, right?

Like we're focused on almost like the ground and the things that are on the ground, but it's a really important system that makes these of this other infrastructure we're built, we're building useful for folks.

Um so yeah, but but it is an interesting artifact.

Yeah, so same thing is in the report.

Yes, I'll thank some of the thank you very much.

Great.

Thank you.

Okay, move on to our action item, the final 2026 annual work plan and transportation commission calendar.

All right.

This is a follow-up from last month.

Uh incorporating your comments.

So things uh I added the updated status on the LRP, and then the next month.

Um I'm inquiring as to a visit to Dash, uh, or maybe even having a meeting over at the Dash facilities next month.

So there's that.

Um second thing on here is that you requested that all the important things uh well that uh a lot of important things not be all in the same meeting.

So um, you know, in terms of staff resources, it makes sense to have the the well, I'll I'll show you a second, but uh oh there are things that have to come in October, so like you know, the city budget, um but then there's things that we usually do in November that we could move to October, so like the CMAX IRCP and uh the commuter choice grant as well that could come up.

And then what I did then is uh it, you know, in terms of staff resources, it makes sense to have vision zero, complete three safe rounds to go on trails all in the same uh meeting.

So uh since we canceled last November's meeting, um, I thought this November could be dedicated just to those things.

Okay, and it's not cluttered with other stuff.

And then yeah, the transit bus stop planning.

It was supposed to be in November.

I moved back to October.

Okay, yeah.

And then uh the three other items you asked me to add residential parking standards, uh car share policy update, and then maintenance of bicycle infrastructure as well.

Great.

Can you go back to the first page for a sec?

Sure.

On the um the LRP.

So I we're we're not doing it this year.

I'm I'm confused.

Right.

But is this year a year we're doing it or not doing it?

It was going to be a year.

We did it.

But then in the January's meeting, um, the commission decided to because of limited staff resources.

But up and but up here it's on there as an action.

Oh, yeah.

Ah, you're right.

Did you just forget to to erase those colors?

Yeah, so that was what confused me.

Because I I heard that I heard the encapsulation of what we thought, and that you thought it was updated, but when I looked at it, I was like, but it says purple, purple, red, which means discuss discuss act.

And good catch, good catch.

Okay.

So yeah, so we did decide to postpone it.

And we're postponing it because wait, because you because you don't have staff, and it looks like you're not gonna have staff, so we're gonna have to make another plan for next year.

Right, right.

Right.

Yes.

All right.

Um actually, yeah, we should one thing we should talk about too is the uh election for next year.

Um as well, but we can talk about that in other business.

Yep.

Great.

So moving on to commissioner updates.

Um so I just uh okay, need a uh okay a motion to approve this.

So I'll make a motion to approve the revised calendar with the final edit on the colors there.

So the one that posts won't have that on.

I'll second that.

All in favor, I'll move on.

Okay, and moving on to your updates.

Sorry.

Which repeating on just probably give you guys like a heads up that the environmental policy commission did send a letter um in support of the changes to uh traffic and parking board for the Braddock Road and so obviously I think traffic and parking were acted on that last month, correct?

Yeah, I'll put that day on it.

Commissioner Catherine would.

Hi, thank you.

No updates from me today.

Okay, so we did have a traffic and parking board meeting, and Chris has actually included some of that information in the uh written items uh update uh bottom line the it was a six-hour plus meet uh meeting that had about 80 people commenting, slightly less than eight people commenting on the Bradley project.

Keene okay so we did have a traffic and parking board meeting and Chris has actually included some of that information in the uh written items uh update uh bottom line the it was a six hour plus meet uh meeting that had about 80 people commenting slightly less than eight people commenting on the Bradley project um the uh the board did approve it uh six to nothing to do what the city had recommended which is to remove parking and put in bike lanes and and enhance the area down by uh between West Street and Mount Vernon Avenue would uh but bike lanes uh bi-directional bike lanes in one side so that people can more easily get to the uh metro station um and unfortunately or fortunately depending on your position uh it has been appealed and so city council's gonna hear uh hear the uh board uh traffic and parking boards um uh decision uh in probably may um is when they're trying to target i think the the public hearing uh for this for city council then to make up their their mind on it um at the same meeting though we uh we didn't actually get rid of parking everywhere we actually approved putting parking on Isenar Avenue on the west end of the uh roadway uh down near where the um some of the uh businesses are the climbing uh activity um I think there's a power plant yeah down there but yeah closer down that way so uh that'll change the character scrambles yeah scramble yeah it'll change the characteristic of the road a little bit of help get the speed limit to the posted speed limit of 25 it's pretty remarkable how fast uh some of those which reminds me um on uh um the city has a map showing all of the uh speed indicator boards but none of them are on um uh eisenhower avenue yet there's a bushel load of them is that just because they're behind and getting those books because they've been there for like a year or something yeah so okay yeah you know that um and we also uh yeah uh approved removing and adding uh parking on kind of the the um dash circulator route uh through uh through old town to improve the uh the bus stops and to make it easier for people to actually get to the bus stops and and make it easier for the buses to actually pull off to uh pick up right and so I think the net is about the uh taking away as many as adding but uh the effort was to try to make sure the bus route could operate uh efficiently since then though uh at the next week's traffic and parking board meeting we're actually going to talk about making some changes to what we approved last month so there's they took some more input from um city residents and are I'm gonna adjust a couple of the uh stops but the net of the parking removal and dish change um and then the last thing it kind of ties into the calendar but my last uh uh meeting that I'll be attending is the uh June meeting my term on the traffic and parking board uh expires and so I'll have to step away from uh this one so I'm looking forward to whatever I get to hear between now and then uh so uh and this month we're also going to be talking about replacing the um with the traffic parking board and grouping that that can happen before month right uh because we yeah yeah and yeah in a perfect world they could uh sort of be ready to uh to go because they of course have to get vetted by city council to be able to fill the position right yeah but you could transfer your appointment your cross appointment to someone who's already there to like do a handoff uh it'll probably be an election uh supposed to me being able to just say oh you're you could right yeah right but traffic and parking board decides that correct we decide who will represent and then city council approves who we've decided we'll represent really oh really yeah I was gonna say it goes through the approval process but you you have to fill out all of the I know I have to do over this one yeah I know right so same thing anyway that's that's meant that's great to the closure is sure Ms.

Loka on that place Mr McMahon um planning commission met this month it was a short meeting but we did um we had a we had a work session on the housing 2040 process and the only thing I wanted to mention from that that I felt because there's transportation elements to this but I thought was worth mentioning is that the um I noted that in the language of I don't know if the right term is policies or strategies they talk about right sizing parking as an approach to helping make more affordable housing more available and I did provide staff with the feedback that I don't believe that there's a such thing as a right size of parking for for the the sake of argument and also that if if the housing plan

And the only thing I wanted to mention from that that I felt because there's transportation elements to this, but I thought was worth mentioning is that the um I noted that in the language of I don't know if the right term is policies or strategies, they talk about right sizing parking as an approach to helping make more affordable housing more available.

And I did provide staff with the feedback that I don't believe that there's a such thing as a right size of parking for the the sake of argument.

And also that if if the housing plan is going to take the position that it's doing everything in its power to make housing affordable, then it should not take any position on having a parking requirement.

It should just get out of the business of requiring parking and say, if you if at all possible, don't require it.

Because if it has to be built, it'll get built by a developer, by uh an affordable housing agreement.

But if it doesn't have to be built, we don't need to say it has to be built.

And that would be a more it will be a position more in line with what the plan is actually saying.

So I I did provide that feedback not as a transportation commissioner hat, but more as just a person thinking critically about what we mean when we say things.

Um but yeah, so that was uh that was planning commission this month.

Great, thank you.

And any other comments.

Okay.

Um question for for you, Chris.

Um, will we have two council members again?

Um just were in limbo.

Yes.

Okay.

Yeah, but right now we actually don't have uh Mr.

McPipe isn't as a part of the commission because he's not a council member right now.

Exactly.

He could apply through the other.

And they'll just redecide and redistribute once they get through the elections.

Yeah.

Okay, anyone have any written items to poll?

Um I just want to want to hear a little bit of explanation on uh item number eight.

I'd like to poll number eight and just reiterate our desired perhaps visit or something.

Okay.

Oh, and I'd like to pull it in F off.

Well you have a question again, right?

Uh yeah, well, uh I I guess this listen is somewhere between A and E.

I guess I'm or C rather.

I'm I'm just trying to figure out what the legislature did and and what's the implication for Wilmada and Dash in terms of of dollars.

Because I know we one of the things that we indicated in our uh in our comments to the legislative or legislative liaison was that we really want to see them adopt something to do the to provide additional funds for transit and yeah, it does not look like they did anything, so I'm wondering what the status of the of that is in of the status of of the state legislative picture and transit is.

Yeah, so um yeah, so uh just I guess uh I guess bring everybody else up to speed.

So there um for the last year or so, um, there's been a uh an effort to uh by Maryland, Virginia and DC legislators to uh craft a package to provide more funding for Wamata for Wamata Capital and Womana operating.

And um, and also for local transit operatings as well.

And so um the the kind of goals of the pro the effort uh were which is called DMV moves and DMV moves had a lot of things, but kind of the main thing was this funding uh structure.

Um, and so essentially this was all uh kind of agreed to, and then it would it went back to each state to figure out how they're actually gonna raise the funding.

And so um there was an effort called SJ28, which was Senate uh joint committee 28.

Uh they were meeting to um figure out how the state could fund at least a portion of it or most of it or all of it, whatever.

Um, and so then the idea was that the state would fund about half of the increase uh so that the jurisdictions weren't funding everything themselves.

Um unfortunately the legislative bills that would have done that did not pass through uh the legislative session.

And so um, but they in Virginia, but they did in Maryland and in DC as well.

And so now they're looking to uh add that money into the budget process right now, but it's not finished yet.

And so uh I I guess the long and short of it is I don't know.

Or I mean nobody knows, like there is no resolution yet.

Um, but there should be by next month.

Okay, but uh the district and the Maryland did provide some justification or some assurance that they would be providing that that additional amount of money.

Yes, okay.

So Virginia's budget is still being developed that would hopefully provide some of that exactly.

Okay, all right, thank you.

Yeah, all right, and then item F.

So really I don't have question, I just want to provide some feedback here, which is the and I think I've said this before, but um I I think when we looked at this list of uh projects and stuff, the city staff did a remarkable job in and pushing forward all this stuff.

And I think given you know staffing issues and other issues, uh it really is a uh wonderful look at what what can be done um and you're able to you know focus and get on it.

So the city staff.

Okay, thank you.

And then item H Chair McBann.

Just to reiterate uh desire of the committee to perhaps visit the Smart Lab and continued interest in the innovative program until they want to do the board.

Great, yeah, absolutely.

Whatever you need there.

Okay, uh other business.

Oops.

Yeah, I thought we were gonna talk about that.

Yeah, yeah, the other item, yeah.

Yeah, would be the election for next month.

So if I could are we gonna get our new uh board members by next month?

Yeah, unfortunately not.

Yeah, so it it seems to me now.

I'm leaving the board.

So but it I think it would be useful to have um board members, board members who are actually going to be serving to perhaps toss their hat into the ring that they'd like to be uh chair or vice chair or something else.

So I don't know if it has to be in April, but it uh do we have any idea when we're actually gonna get uh new more board members?

Yes.

Uh thank you for knowing.

Thank you.

Coming back anytime.

Thank you.

Yeah.

Um yes, uh it will either be in May or June.

Okay.

Um it it it just seems to me it it might be a more efficient uh uh effective election if you actually had people who were gonna be rewarding that because it's if I vote in June, it's yeah, in April.

Well, yeah, in April, right?

Yeah, the counterpoint to that is at least in my experience, new board members don't want these roles, they'd rather like have an easy start and figure out the lay of the land, and so I I totally am on board with them voting, but they won't necessarily want the roles themselves.

So um it it it could totally go either way.

If we have the ability to postpone a new appointment by a couple months and wait for the board to be full and then let everybody vote together, that's great.

If it's problematic for bylaws reasons or something, then we can just get it get it done and then it's a whole year till it happens again.

Yeah, I mean, I guess there are a couple options.

I mean, we can still have the election next year or next month, I mean, um it or uh we could the commission can make a motion to postpone the election till it's June or September, um, so that the new board members or new commissioners uh can vote as well.

So that's the commission's choice.

So what's the delay in getting the two new yeah?

So um annual, the year-long delay.

Yeah, thank you.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

So the the changes were approved, and so now the actual ordinances that are created, the transportation commission have to be updated.

And um the uh the city manager's office wants to bring every ordinance of a that needs to be updated for the commissions together at once, and um they've been very focused on the budget right now, and so once the budget is approved, then that'll open up bandwidth at council for them to consider these changes.

So we took initiative to assess our needs, but it fell into the balance of council also having its own prerogative to assess all these other commissions and then make you know decisions about them.

And so we definitely just got caught up in their calendar for this.

You guys were ahead of the game.

But it didn't help us, yeah.

So um yeah, yeah.

So I mean that would be the only other drawback to waiting is that we don't even know when they're gonna do this.

Yeah, we just don't know.

Yeah, yeah.

So it might be worth it to do the election next month anyway.

Yeah, and then I don't know if uh the new members will have that much of a say after only one meeting of who should be chair and vice chair anyway.

Much of an opinion, I should say.

So yeah, so I'm I'm supportive of having it next um next month and um and generally supportive of us continuing to kind of rotate around and people want to take um take a uh crack at it.

It's not hard, and I don't want to do it because I've done it plenty.

So um yeah, yeah, so it's just worth and I don't know that there's any other strategic discussion around that, but we we can have some one-on-ones if people have questions.

Um, but we need to ultimately nominate someone and then we someone or some ones and then take a vote.

So I agree.

I think we should continue the rotation.

Um will not be a candidate.

Uh so um people should uh take a walk in the woods and in the well-lighted area and think about it and get energized as well.

That goes back to the Canadian prime minister said I was taking a walk in the woods and I decided I'm staying, but uh I'm not uh and so the uh we will just continue the rotation.

So folks think about it.

Right, not advice share it to do a full term though.

I mean, um let you go here.

Um very busy in retirement, which is great.

So all right.

Any other other business said it?

That's all I have.

We're gonna meet here again next month, either here or next door.

Yeah, let's try to meet next door.

Okay.

I'll push it.

It's all the same, right?

So like one extended campus down here.

But it maybe if you meet a dash, they'll have a private bus pick you up and run it.

You know, I'm hoping that my family malfunctions don't happen and I'll have enough time to bike it over.

Well, the good news is it'll be lighter to gets lighter and lighter, yeah.

That's true.

Yeah, and warmer and warmer, hopefully to everybody.

Oh, the better.

Yeah, it looks like the vote at the end of the meeting.

The next selection, yes.

Oh, yeah, okay.

Okay.

Yeah, I think it's what we did last year, too.

Okay.

Okay.

So you're quite ready to quit.

Well, I want to get through that exactly.

I'll make a motion to adjourn the meeting.

So approved.

All right.

Okay.

Thank you very much.

Thanks, Leslie.

Bye.

Bye.

And your batteries last book.

Yeah.

Oh, wow.

Yeah, but