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for the speaker yep okay i can hear now ashley can you hear us now yes can you hear me yeah we can hear okay all right so same as system seems to be working okay all right well it but it shouldn't have an impact if we have her back on the screen right well if it's ashley is remote she's what she did here so it should be fine sound correct in Zoom translating so much can you hear us ashley so yes yes you can hear yeah I wouldn't trust the traffic the city council meeting I think what happened is we had a hit out marked can we video on my current things are you working on the I'll call you back to the is actually spoken to us yes that's yeah we're not gonna thank you yeah I think it's Ashley can you speak again I don't I'll volunteer to go to the end of the class Ashley can you hear us can you speak try speaking again yeah I I hear I think that's Hillary yeah maybe I just need to turn it up we do yeah they're saying they're saying they can hear okay so we don't need to repeat the well I think we should we can I think we should just start a bad piece the Ashley is that better Max is crystal clear okay no the speaker is in the picking up your volume is the screen like the microphone towards that yeah okay big brother is watching speak to green mic went back so we're gonna start meeting over and first welcome Rose Marie stando to the board um and read this notice the main 18 2026 meeting of the traffic and parking board is being held department of transportation environmental services TMES 2900 business center drive an electronic members of the traffic department board and staff who participating either in person or from a remote location video conference call on zoom meeting can be accessed by the public in person or by Zoom okay so welcome everybody um we're gonna hear comments from the public in person and via zoom each speaker gets three minutes if you're here in the room hopefully come up to the podium here and be able to speak to us and then we'll uh if you wish to speak uh electronically if you'll raise your hand we'll unmute unmute you when it's and just a reminder that uh public hearing is not for uh items that are on the current agenda if you want to speak during a public uh session on the agenda you can speak then but this is for things other than other than our phone agenda okay so before we get the public hearing though we're gonna approval within minutes so are there any comments yes okay um yes um like um during the uh in the written staff update session um last month um i had made a request for uh crash now driver um crash data to be incorporated into the staff update so could we amend the minutes to reflect that requests read it didn't have to

session and the agenda you can speak then but this is the things other than the other than our time attending okay so before we get the public hearing though we're gonna do uh approval of the minutes so are there any comments yes okay um yes um like um during the uh in the written staff update session um last month uh i had made a request for uh crash now driver um crash data to be incorporated into the staff update so can we amend the minutes to reflect that requests read it didn't have any is there's something because we do have a bullet that says in the stop request that staff include regular written updates on crashes is that just it's under the complete streets updates a bullet oh okay i take it back so i learned he well yeah uh thank you mr chairman uh uh items in the minutes uh item seven uh the bullet that says road corridor appeal update uh the current language in there doesn't really capture everything that i said and i would really like to get that on the record so i have uh written some yeah hold on one second one don't we have uh uh uh an audio tape of the last meeting yes so i'm not sure you need everything that you're wanting there the minutes are only supposed to be just a a brief summary if people if they want to get the full details should be able to go to the well the the summary does not capture the important points that i've made so i i respectfully wish they're offered amendment yeah that's the appointment is that we're trying to we're trying to reduce the amount of stuff we're putting in minutes and having people go from the same to the um the actual video i i i take your point but i uh respectfully ask that i uh submit language that more uh captures what i think were four points that i want to have in the minute start to just call me audio date okay uh the language i'm suggesting and i will explain why i i think it's important uh replaced the current language with the following mr stout noted that the recently published romata concept plan for joint development at the braddock road metro station appeared to conflict with the braddock road complete streets project approved by the board in February especially with regard to the layout of east braddock road between northwest street and the railroad overpass he requested staff to provide an update concerning any conversations they may be gathered with lomata staff to resolve this apparent conflict and he urged them to use this as an opportunity to begin a broader community based planning effort that would include those projects those are points that I made and I would really like it to be a minutes because I want it to be on the record for the future and I respectfully ask that language incorporated I'd be happy to move it as a as an amendment if you wish we're gonna wish to take a vote on it yeah so if you could send I think you've already sent those to yeah I said just Sheila but it did you got the maximum okay and you said that okay yeah thank you oh sure um so uh a couple minor edits and then one so in uh item number eight on the discussion uh the second sentence is currently says Mr.

King asked residents uh included and I think we can just add the word if asked if residents were included and then um on the public testimony the fourth paragraph it's it starts with for all approaches when future requests recommendations are brought I want to add the words are brought forward to the uh TPE and that staff consider making changes okay and then under the commission updates uh the first one just sort of make sure that we get transportation in there is um oh you just be a commissioner and so it would be the transportation uh commission uh electricity chair um and then in the second bullet point uh there's new draft goal's comprehensive plan of looking at teaching students out so uh add the word teaching then we're on and then in the last bullet point mr king will be speaking before city council on behalf of the board on right for budget because i that's what i went there for and then one that um i'm gonna i made a misstatement in uh uh meeting when um during the public discussion period when the gentleman elanus sorkin was speaking and um what i had said was that the speed limit was 20 but in fact it's 15 miles the city manager can be used to speak on

King will be speaking before city council on behalf of the board on right or budget.

And then one that I'm I made a misstatement in uh meeting when during the public discussion period when the gentleman Ellen and Sorkin was speaking, and what I had said was the speed limit was 20, but in fact it's 15 miles.

The city manager can be just uh 15 miles.

You know, I think it had that we talked, but I think it'd be good to with that since it was incorrect in the actual uh video.

I have a motion to approve the minutes as uh amended.

Some of the second and second, Marcus second.

All those in favor, uh so grocery actually can't vote on that vision or uh a member of last month.

But going forward vote over time.

Okay, so we have finished with the approval of the minutes uh now.

We have any speakers in the house who would like to speak.

Have any online?

Yeah, if so, would you please raise your hand?

I'm seeing a couple people with your hands raised online, just as a reminder, this is for the public discussion period.

If you are wishing to speak on an item on the docket, we will do comments for each docket item.

But this is a time period for folks to speak on item on topics that are not on the agenda.

So if you're uh so I'm gonna go through why see now and I'm gonna start.

We're gonna have Richard Grosima followed by Jessica Lafer.

I'm gonna allow you to speak, Richard.

Richard, can you unmute your microphone?

Okay, I'm gonna move to Jessica and then we'll come back to you with something.

Okay, uh, go ahead, Richard.

We can't hear you.

All right, let's move on to Jessica.

We'll come back to Richard.

Hi, can you hear me?

Yes.

Thank you.

Um I am a commissioner with the Alexandria Commission on Aging.

And I signed in tonight, and I appreciate the opportunity to speak with you.

We the city has recently adopted our new age-friendly plan, and there's a transportation section in the plan, which includes um an item on pedestrian safety.

And this is uh it's a topic that we have decided we want to look into.

I myself was hit by a car near my house in Old Town last fall, ended up um in the ER, and it's taken me about six months to get back on my feet.

As I'm sure you all know, we had um a 62-year-old woman killed in actually the same type of accident that I was um involved in.

Uh, she was killed within the last month in North Old Town.

Um talking with the other commissioners, we're just wondering if there's a way that we might communicate with with the traffic board, if perhaps someone from the traffic board might be willing to um attend a meeting of the commission and talk to us about what measures, if any, your board is looking into regarding pedestrian safety.

Thank you for that comment.

Um the board actually doesn't uh typically initiate stuff that's done through the city staff.

I think we can have somebody from the city staff reach out to you uh and work out some where they could come talk to you about uh kind of complete streets policy, which includes uh pedestrian safety, you know, be able to give you some guidance as to where the city is leaning, but also you can help them lean in a particular direction.

So we'll have somebody from uh city staff uh reach out to you too like that connection.

Okay, I appreciate that.

And Maxime has my email address.

Um I signed in.

Okay, thank you so much.

Okay, uh I'm glad you're feeling back.

Thank you.

I will sign off.

Take care.

Okay, thanks again.

Okay, we're gonna go back to Richard.

Just dropped off.

So Richard can't hear us if we're talking to the construct box I've read.

You just dropped off the call.

Okay, all right.

And we will as do we have anyone else that wants to speak.

If so, please raise your hand.

Okay, uh, if not, go ahead and motion to quote.

Oh, Heather just looked at I'm pretty sure they want to talk about North Lee Street.

Heather and Heather, are you trying to speak on the uh public discussion period or on the docket item one coming up?

Hello.

Hello, can you hear us?

Yes, we're trying to find out what it is you're trying to speak about.

Uh, because if it's if it's something not on the agenda, we'll let you speak now, otherwise we'll ask you to wait until um actually my husband and I both are what to speak about.

Um there is a um scooter racket that has been um installed in the lane on North Lee Street on the east side.

And I think it's on the docket.

Um yeah, so that that's what we'd like to speak about.

Um, we really would like it removed.

I think we're going to be represented by our HOA, the our the uh president of our board.

Okay, uh you can wait until we get the yes, thank you.

If you can wait till we get the docket item, uh we'll unmute all right.

Thank you very much.

We have anyone else.

Okay, raise your hands.

Okay, no.

Do I have a motion to close the uh public discussion?

Do I have a second second?

Okay, second.

Uh all in favor say aye.

Aye.

All right, so we're now on the item document item number four, written staff updates, the public hearing and follow-ups.

Anyone uh comment either items A or B.

Uh yeah, just briefly.

I just want to note that that the brand broken model project update is why I wanted to get my items uh uh last meeting because my my question either my question or my point was really addressed to this project update.

So I uh ask the staff to take a look at that if you have perhaps next month.

We can get a update that address the works that made the last meeting.

Thank you.

Um just a few comment of um things to staff on document item or um item B update B starting uh revisiting and assessing the like turn line.

Um that goes to that intersection a lot.

The uh when the changes made it was helpable and positive.

Um so I really appreciate it, and I think it's reflective um and really helpful as residents um and the city to see that staff does you know here and go back and take a second look at things if they don't seem that they're working quite as intended.

This is a great example of that.

So thank you for your respondent results.

Thank you.

Uh and if we go back to uh item A, if if in fact there was any um documented uh information from the conversation the city had with quantity that might help to provide the mark directly.

It appears it was uh possibly in our web page, but you could add them up, but okay.

Moving on to consent items.

Are there any comments on either five or six parking conditions on the horns locked with two by five and item six is an extreme turn on ready or locations on on the parking blocking?

So we need to pull that.

No, it's more of a comment.

Um, so my one of my kids not from a flounder than Godville's discovery time.

I have threatened them.

I mean the parking plan I think is through um the planning office, right?

It's yes through us.

Okay.

Um yeah, I think that this addition of parking.

Um I'm not arguing for or against it, because I think it could both help and hurt that they care um parking situation because right now parents will park in those spaces because they're like I'm just getting out for five minutes, and then so that parking might be taken up by other people if they're allowed to park there all the time, but I don't I don't really think there's any way to mitigate the parking situation.

I'm very glad that I could navigate that parking lot after August.

Well, congratulations.

Thank you.

Any other comments on it five is marking?

I'm six, sorry.

Okay, I'm still on five.

Oh, sorry, okay.

Uh so I would just toss out, you know.

I I think this and sort of know that Jim Moose has been kind of a big plug that you know the things get approved, and then the parking doesn't get quite set up the way it was expected, and then there's fallout uh after the fact, and so it'd be really nice again to go back to uh other folks and ask them to more money pull uh create things, it it really does set up some really bad situations and then the bird calls and others to try to rectify that if we could make it more clear to the uh company or organization that's getting the approval that there's an expectation that they're an actually fall hope with the they agreed to I think would help um long term, yes.

Thank you, and now we can go to item six Martin.

Yeah, thank you.

Um, first of all, I I think it's great when we're making the improvements at these three intersections.

I used to have one comment or question on the Duke Street on Holland Lane.

Uh those improvements are great.

Yeah, but so far, you know, I'm very happy with what's happening on Holland Lane.

It looks good.

Um my concern is with the pedestrian crossing of Holland Lane uh at that intersection, which basically is between the whole foods on the south west corner and the CBS on the southeast corner.

There is a the pedestrian walk signal is uh there's there's a there's a there's a long cycle between the pedestrian uh crossing signals, and there's a lot of non-compliance, and a lot of people that start out crossing the uh you know against the light there, uh kind of hazardous.

And I don't know if that was looked at in terms of either of these projects, but if the staff can check that out and see if the signal timing is appropriate there or it's been looked at uh particularly the pedestrian crossing, I think that would be helpful.

Thank you.

I think that's one of those very complicated interceptions.

It is it is way too many turn movements.

Yeah, it is, but it's it's I see people all the time making that movement, and it's you know the faster movement, it's a little scary.

So I guess I'm just gonna follow up a little bit on some of what was commented last um on the return on red stuff.

I'm generally supportive, I support these, but I think maybe we should have a broader look about throughout Old Town because I am getting complaints and confusion a little bit from some of the online media space.

There was some confusion for that pedestrian crash that for that woman was killed about these right turn lanes not being consistent throughout some of the little town south of town.

So I I guess I'm just gonna ask if we could again follow up on maybe having a full district where north where there's basically no terms in all that or some sort of coordination on that, so it's not such a scatter shot approach.

But there are a couple things that have been pushed um due to work on other projects, but this is one addresses.

We're supposed to bring you crash update.

That'll come in due.

And I think maybe addressing your uh like a more holistic look at the turn on reds.

Maybe it will be changed in line, but it'll be it's in the whole time.

Okay.

Okay, we're any other and does that have anything to do with you guys send us the link of the no turn on red um the GIS layer.

So that was response to Ashley asking the question if there was some place where you could find out where I would found that you had uh okay.

But that's good pre homework in this okay.

You should count how many traffic.

Yes.

Well, I mean, we're trying to look at like trends and or lack of trends.

Yeah.

Well, and and actually, since we're on that, that really is a very useful map because you can turn on different layers and quite a few of what the city is that's got sometimes you think nothing's happened.

And some of that's okay.

So are there any other comments on items five or six?

If not, do I have a wait?

I have a student procedural question.

So on these types of activities where you've identified these safety improvements.

Is this the timing?

Like it's like the project is in the final design stage, and while you're away.

You know, it's brought here for um a review and approval.

Is that how this usually works then?

You have an item.

Some things very quickly, other things just have a process that you have to go through, even though you can complete your I'm sorry.

Oh um some things move quickly, I don't think or feel like requests.

Comment on sorry, I say this is your hand raised there.

That's okay.

I'm having trouble with my muting and unmuting too.

So if I'm talking, I'm not trying to interrupt.

Um, so are we is Sheila doing the presentation for this one, or are we done with comments unless I had one more?

No, if you uh if you have comments, certainly you may not bring them up.

Oh uh, I guess just the one comment on um responding to Dane's on broader no turn on red.

Um, I would be interested in staff's consideration of like doing more of those relative to like adherence enforcement.

I mean, I think of it a little bit like a stop sign if you put them everywhere, people are just gonna ignore them.

Um, I think they are a good addition to enhancing safety when they're followed.

Um, so I'd I'd add that just as another consideration for broader, you know, recommendation and discussion in this.

Okay.

All right, so now are we finished with items five and six?

So do I have a motion to move on items?

Items five and six.

Okay, I have a second.

Okay.

All those.

Oh, are there any discussion?

Okay, uh, all those in favor, aye.

I voted button.

Sorry, can we just go back to this ask if there's any public comment?

Yes.

I didn't think the send items required public dumb.

All right, so are there is there anybody online or in the room who would like to speak on items five or six?

Don't please raise your hand on left.

So should we take the vote again?

Okay, so do I have a motion to uh proof and send items or items five and six?

Hello, I'm a second second, second down here.

Sorry, all those in favor say aye.

Yes, that's me.

Thank you, traffic and parking board, Max Sevillers parking curb side management.

Um as you all are hopefully aware.

As you all are hopefully aware, you all recommended to city council to amend city code a few months ago to delegate city council's responsibility of designating these on-street vending locations for food trucks down to the traffic and parking board, giving your purview over the public right-of-way.

And that was passed.

So this is our first proposal from city staff to you all to make some changes.

As you all might be aware, we've had the three same exact uh designated on-street vending locations across the city, which one of which is in front of the Braddock Road Metro station.

What the other is in front of the King Street Metro station, uh, both of which get pretty well used.

Uh and then the third is this one here next to the Eisenhower Avenue Metro Rail Station on the 2200 block of Eisenhower Avenue in front of a few different uh shops in the parking line.

Um it is 80 feet long.

Um if this space were to be removed, it would go back to being uh two-hour metered parking spaces, uh four two-hour meter parking spaces.

Uh the space currently is rarely ever uh used by food trucks, likely because of the changes to the neighborhood.

A lot of people are working from home.

There are a lot more options further closer to Wegmans nowadays than there were prior to COVID.

So we don't see a lot of usage here, and we do see a lot of drivers parking in those spaces in that zone.

Um so uh staff recommends you know trying to match demand here and adding those parking spaces back.

Um I did reach out to the food truck community, so that includes all the food trucks that are permitted to vent here in the city as well as others who have worked at private events, etc.

Um, and none had an issue or at least indicated an issue with removing this zone, which we uh expected.

And this is a view here of that zone.

The um shape seems to have disappeared, but uh it's like I said, 80 feet long.

Uh, as you can see here, you have two ordinary vehicles parked in those spaces, and there is some ground floor retail uh that these spaces could support.

Um moving on to Ward Village.

We did uh in communications with food trucks receive some requests to add a space here.

So RPC RPNCA has off-street parking lots at many of their facilities, and they work with food trucks to have them operate in the parking lot.

But Landover Park and Warwick Pool are two of their properties that actually don't have any off-street um parking for visitors or for food trucks.

So RP and CA were also supportive of this addition.

They do think it would be used, especially in warmer months with the pool being open.

Um this is adjacent to a disability parking space.

Um and there are no homes on this side of the block.

There are eight row homes on the uh west side of the block, and it's not too walkable to many other businesses.

Um there is a pedestrian path to that shopping center there.

Uh, but in general, uh, you know, especially with kids, you're probably not going to want to cross Melbourne Avenue or uh Glebe Broad, at least until the peanut about is installed.

So we think this is a good addition to the block uh and to for the the park properties.

It's also next to a very large um apartment building with hundreds of units.

So we think it would be used by anybody in the neighborhood.

And um again, like with anything we do, if it doesn't work out, if we get lots of complaints, etc., we can always uh bring it back for the board to have it removed.

And RPNCA did did add that they would um increase the frequency at which they uh remove the trash from their properties because they do they do generate a lot of trash food trucks with all the disposable containers.

Um this would be a time restricted zone.

So um a couple years ago, the planning zoning department did also bring a city code change for city council.

So the longest a food truck can be in the same zone is six uh hours.

We are also proposing to limit the hours to 10 to 9, 10 a.m.

to 9 p.m.

Um, and only from March 1st to October 31st, which are the warmer months of the year, which we think will be when it's used most, and again, we can always bring that uh before you all to make some changes.

This is the space it'd be about uh 30 feet long, and again, it's not adjacent to any homes or ground floor retail.

So with that, uh oh, and yes, just to reiterate, we did um communicate this with the food truck community, both the removal and the addition, and we got some yeah, we no issues with the removal and some support for the park space, and uh we did you know discuss this with the Ward Village Civic Association several times.

We emailed them about this uh uh four times.

We were supposed to speak at a meeting, but then it ended up being removed to when we had traffic parking board.

So um since we haven't heard anything, we assume it should be fine.

Uh I did get some questions from a resident across the street.

Uh she might be on the call today.

Um, but like I said, RPNCA is in support.

So with that staff recommends that the board recommend the director of TNES remove the 80 foot long designated on street vending location in front of 2231 Eisenhower Avenue and add a 30 foot long vending location in front of 3301 Landover Street with six hour parking restrictions, 10 a.m.

to 9 p.m.

March 1st through October 31st.

Um before I get everyone else's question, so when I looked at this, I wondered um if for some reason we didn't use two, is it okay to split this or are you expecting it's either a thumbs up or a thumbs down down?

Absolutely not.

You can vote however you'd like.

Yep, no worries.

Oh I have a question down this one.

Um I wasn't clear that on the landover street space that would be proposed to put a um a good vending uh zone, is that just like open unrestricted parking or no parking right now?

Yes, it's unrestricted parking right now, yeah.

And is there any sort of like look for analysis of like how we put those spaces or we didn't do a formal study, no?

Um the way we see it is kind of like any other kind of change you make to this to the curb uh because it's so flexible, we can always remove it if need be.

Um, but when I have gone over there a few times in the last few months, um it's been empty.

Can you go back to the intrude of that part?

Yeah, like the what is the current use of that curb space right now?

Um then one of the other questions.

Um if this were if the board were to um to recommend uh to make a quiz recommendation for implementation, like what would the timing be?

I know the dot is for T sort of the seasonal zone, and we are judging by the weather fight, like in the season right now.

Um so what would the anticipated time implementation be?

Yeah, so great question.

We uh typically wait uh 15 days in case we receive an appeal before installing the signage.

So I would just uh wait for um two Mondays from now and submit that 301 request to our operations team to have the signs installed, and they get it installed usually within a week, so three weeks from now.

Um thanks for that um RPC staff is good with increasing their trash can and pick up because I did want to ask if and I don't know how do we determine if there is going to be this new demand, say like one or two years down the road back at Eisenhower, and then we could go back and take back those parking spaces and put food trucks there, and for whatever reason, I don't know what, but yes, how does that come absolutely just in the same exact way that we bring this before you today to remove it?

We could you know in six months bring it back to you to add it back in basically that preparation, yeah, and putting sign so the first commandment.

Okay, but are you asking how do people figure out like how did the city figure out that we need different parking requests?

Well, that too, right?

How did we like you reached out to all the food truck vendors and they said, no, no, no, no, EIs and how and I guess obviously by verification by inspection realized was never be needed.

Yes, and so you started to reach out, and then they said, Hey, what about this park over here?

Yes.

So would we just wait for food truck folks to potentially contact us and say, hey, we're interested in going back to Eisenhower?

I don't know.

Exactly, yes.

So um I'm trying to build you know, rapport and a relationship with the food truck community.

Um, which has been uh a little tougher, as you can imagine, they're not using email as often as we do, right?

Um, but uh like I said, I've been in communication with them for about a year and a half now because we started that city code update process a long time ago, and it kind of got a lot of um uh it just been it was halted several times, and we never receive we we've been thinking about getting rid of the space for a long time because it's just constantly getting parked in, and we never receive any complaints or uh concerns about that.

And yeah, there's more overwriting.

So this is an attempt to try to regulate.

Oh dear, okay, all right.

Will there be some type of follow-up, like maybe before or right after the ornate just uh on the piece of this new location?

Yeah, I can absolutely yeah, just like a written update.

Sure.

No problem.

Yeah.

Ashley, did you have any questions?

No, interesting.

So I this is going to be a little off topic, but since we are just starting this, um it's noted here that several of the other syncasses had had issues.

Um, are we still working with the food trucks to maybe identify nearby vending areas they would be interested in?

Because as we try to yes, not overregulate these.

I I think having one is great, but I I think I am nervous that we have one new location and then all the rest were apparently problematic in some way.

So if we can if they identify a general location, I'd love to see if we can have some follow-up with the food trucks about other potential vending locations that would be in an area without all of the problems of private property or adjacent to existing vending location or unflocks without shooting army.

Yeah, absolutely.

So this is kind of our way of jump starting interest in the topic and getting the future community to hopefully communicate with us more.

Um so we didn't want to start too big to begin with, but I have a lot of thoughts and a lot of ideas about where we can add these um that I think would be really uh great for those areas.

Um, but like I said, we just wanted to start small, and yeah, we'll absolutely keep keeping contact with them.

Yeah, okay.

Yeah, uh two questions.

First of all, uh I assume that the proposed well, I I looked up trying to do my homework and read uh the uh city code 9-15-15, uh, which lays out a whole bunch of factors to be considered requirements for location.

We selected, I assume this proposed location met all those criteria.

Yes, exactly.

So yeah, we want to make sure they're not like in or near uh bus stop or near outdoor dining, that sort of thing.

Right, yeah.

So that was the idea.

I uh my suggestion would be that in future your writing, except you may want to just note that for the record, it's kind of your boilerplate, so we don't have to you know ask each of those items, yeah.

And I'm guessing too that the one building to date's point, uh I think my understanding would be the ones that sort of didn't make the cut, maybe fell down on one or more of those criteria that are listed in the code.

I guess so.

It's just a good idea to maybe keep track of that.

Yeah, maybe you know, so that we'll mess.

I mean, you're you're obviously not doing this, you know, whimsically.

You're you know, they don't need some tests, so that's that's that's fine.

Uh and of course, if if we have a problem, we could always you know revisit those tests reservably all over quite a minute to see code.

Uh second question, um broader question.

Uh, and since this board is now responsible for uh on street locations of food trucks, and maybe maybe this has already been discussed in when that uh decision was made to reorient who who does what here.

Uh but my my question going forward is uh are we acting within any sort of uh planning context or policy considerations about what we're trying to achieve here.

I mean, I I agree, I understand the point that deregulation or overregulation is can be a bad thing, and that uh I think we're sort of implicitly suggesting uh thinking that food trucks in some at least some some locations provide a real service that people may not have other access to, but I would feel more comfortable if we do uh more of these the uh decisions in the future if we have some kind of thought about you know what we're trying to achieve here with uh with the food truck.

So that's just kind of comment for the future.

Yeah, no, those are two great points, and um with regards to your second comment, yes.

Uh the the idea is essentially to provide uh prepared food options and in places where there's demand, um, but it won't you know compete with existing brick and mortar locations.

So we felt like this was this was just off the path beaten path enough from the shopping centers around the intersection to you know still provide um still trying to meet demand here at the parks.

Um I guess my point is uh we're we're not meeting demand in terms of we're not running a business here.

We're trying to say that we are uh allowing people in neighborhoods to have more access to uh things that will you know improve their convenience and quality of light or at the same time minimizing vehicle walls traveling a little bit.

Yes, exactly.

So it I just I just like to have sort of a planning context.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Anything no, thank you.

Awesome.

Uh Max, I've got a couple questions while we're on this uh slide here.

So one of my concerns is the placement of the sign that's the uh parking as you can see that kind of a pedestrian intersection there, and uh I would hope that the sign could be placed so that it doesn't interfere um with pedestrians, particularly those who might be on the chair trying to navigate there.

Um but I also want to be sure that uh the boundary is clear so that they're not don't end up logging rampant to the the pool area, yes.

And then one of the things that's intriguing is sort of providing an opportunity for parsing rec to perhaps activate some activities around food trucks even there.

So in their enthusiasm for having this here, if they give you a sense that they might then try to schedule uh some kind of a band tied in food truck being there with the community.

Uh they did not, but I can yeah, I suggest that would actually be kind of a good thing to leave them on, and then lastly, we've kind of answered that.

But you know, if you go back to the you don't have to move the slide, but if you go back to the eisen hour side, how many times have the food truck actually land there?

So a good question to try to understand this what is the utilization of the spaces once we uh get them in place.

I don't know if that's easy to track, or maybe with our new technology or that smart card was falling by and let you know that there was a food truck there.

Um if they didn't have that plan, that might be something to throw out to them to you know, at least have an idea that the truck had been there at some point as they're going to buy it.

And then if you go back to the land again, you don't change the slide, but at the landover uh site we're gonna kind of restrict the uh time frame for that.

But there's you know, things that occur during the year that might be compelling to have an attempt there.

So uh and again, probably a parsing right kind of event.

Uh they'd be able to easily get the permits to allow food truck to be there, or even the community uh say March or something.

Patrick's Day celebration in the parking lot.

So I would just kind of toss that out of this uh the pool location just in the park there, just sort of lends itself to activating that in some ways more than just having a food truck alone, certainly.

Yeah, that's a great idea.

Thank you.

Uh so are there any other questions?

Oh, sorry.

Oh asking us I just want to oh okay, go ahead.

celebration report so I would just kind of toss that out as this the pool location just in the park there just sort of lends itself to activated that some ways more than just having a food truck alone sort of yeah that's a good idea thank you uh so are there any other questions oh I'm sorry oh I just want to oh okay go ahead I just wanted to confirm so food trucks are currently already allowed to be in public parks where there is a parking lot for them but this has come before us because it's by a park where it would be um designating a current on carb side for the food truck is that correct they would they would need to have an agreement with our PNCA to use the lock okay thank you okay uh any yet further comments right so I have a motion public oh sorry um does anyone wish to speak on this item if so please either of you in the room want to speak on the site if anyone online would like to speak on the side and be free should okay um who I have um motion on this I'm very excited about this because I had to go to the Warwick pool all summer um so I move that we recommend the director of TES remove the 80 foot long designated on street vending location in front of um 2231 Eisenhower Avenue and at a 30 foot long vending location in front of 3301 landover street with six hour parking restrictions 10 a.m to that yeah March 1st through October second second is there any further discussion okay here none all those in favor are aye ashton did you say uh aye yes so that seven zero oh you want to post all right uh thank you max thank you we're on the item eight up and drop off some location on this one um so this is a request next slide um from charlotte hall who's representing some of the businesses on the 100 and 200 blocks of King Street who are operating the ballet um um ballet operation um the existing photo zone got a drop off west side of Lee Street to the east side of Lee Street um go to the next slide it's easier um so in the way of background uh when the 100 block of King Street was closed back in 2020 we added the pickup and drop off zones to both sides of um to the north and south side of Lee Street um to accommodate some of the businesses on King Street that would no longer have vehicle access for people to come pick up any foods or do any deliveries um so that pickup and drop off zone those two in fact have been operating since 2020 uh fast forward to last year um some of the businesses had um requested a special use permit to operate at ballet um to support the businesses on those blocks on the 100 blocking um and because ballet is very similar in nature to pick up and drop offs we um approved that operation with the restriction that they had to share the space that's already there um that way we wouldn't have just a space dedicated only to ballet and then a space only dedicated to pick up the drop off uses these two had to use the space together um there were some concerns when we approved this about the location of that zone um being in the sort of the opposite direction that most people might come to old town um and the fact that the garage or rather the lot where the valet stores the cars is up on queen street so there was some concerns expressed early on that um having cars approach southbound um might be problematic because then the the valley operator would have to drive around the walk um and circle back to queen street and the the intent for a ballet is to be able to deliver vehicles quickly um to courage and incentivize people to use it um we asked them to please try it this way let's see how it works see if there are some issues um they did try it and after a few months we met with them again to talk through some of the issues and what they had found was a lot of people were coming approaching from the south driving north and then when they got to the valley stand which is on the opposite side of the street were just illegally parking on on um the northbound side of the street so the side closest to ill porto um no I should say that these streets you are probably aware is very narrow it's not a typical street in old town it only has parking on one side of the street and then enough room for two-way traffic um so

We're just illegally parking on the northbound side of the street.

So the side closest to Il Porto.

Now I should say that Lee Street, you are probably aware, is very narrow.

It's not a typical street in old town.

It only has parking on one side of the street, and then enough room for two-way traffic.

So we talked about some different ideas.

One could you have both of pickup and drop-off zone on both sides, but really cannot do that while still being able to accommodate two-way traffic.

So we agreed to try a sort of what I would call a zigzag and travel through that block where between King Street and the alley, we would move the pickup and drop-off zone to be northbound and then keep the parking on the south ground side of the street, the southbound approaching side of the street.

We tried this for about two months just to see how it would work, and didn't have any issues related to the location of the pickup and drop-off zone.

We heard complaints about some other things, which I'll touch on in a minute, but in terms of the actual pickup and drop-off zone, that seemed to be working okay.

It did take a little bit of time for people to get used to moving to the other side of the street.

Did observe people parking in the net in what is now the no parking area on the southbound side.

But people seem to be getting used to it having moved it to the other side of the street.

As part of this move, we did also move a scooter corral.

So you may have seen the original scooter corral was at the corner of King and North Lee, right outside of Comfort One's shoes.

This was in a no parking area previously, so we squeezed in a parking scooter corral, which is what we try to do in terms of finding places for scooter corrals, places where we don't have to physically remove parking, it's already a no parking area.

One of the benefits of having a scooter corral is we have requirements from our operators that if there is a scooter corral within one block, operators have to deploy in that scooter corral.

They can't deploy just wherever they want if there's something within one block.

So we did feel it was important to keep the scooter corral somewhere on that block to be able to maintain that requirement so that we weren't going to have scooter companies deploying it on what is pretty narrow sidewalks on Blea Street.

Um so we moved it to the to the uh I guess the front end of the Puddo zone, which is closest to Fayette Alley.

Um we didn't want to include it, just move it sliding across the street because sort of the nature of a pickup and drop-off zone is to kind of like pull in along the curb and pull up, and having that scooter corral there would mean that some of those trucks would have to pull up and then sort of maneuver around the corral.

So we wanted to put it up to the front of the zone, which is where it is now.

Now I will fully admit that it's a little bit awkward right now because um if there's no cars in the pickup and drop-off zone, it just looks like there's a scooter corral in the middle of the street.

Um, but what we would like to propose is if this is approved to move permanently to that side of the street, we would stripe out the entire pickup and drop-off zone and incorporate the scooter corral in that striping so that it was clear that this is this is now a place for cars to pull over and stop, and uh there is a shift in in the two-way travel there.

Um we'd like to try that first rather than um get rid of it altogether or move it to another location.

Um, so that's that's probably some of the comments that you will hear.

Um, we did receive a letter from the torpedo factory condominiums.

Um this was something that they had brought up as a concern.

Um, I think they had suggested that we move it to the tout Lee Street, sort of opposite of this intersection.

Um again, having that at that location puts it at the sort of at the back end of the zone and creates that difficult maneuver for cars that just want to pull in and make that quick stop.

Um so we would not want to put it there.

We really do want to keep it on this block because of the commercial nature across the street from the alley there.

Um the other comment that the residents noted is just the general uh enforcement issues on this block with people illegally parking um in the portion of the street between Fayette Alley and uh Cameron Street.

This happens a lot on busy weekends it looks like you should be able to park there because most streets are two way parking or parking in both sides.

But this does really create a um an issue for the two-way traffic.

So I'll say for that um we do have our parking enforcement contractors who are very aware of this area and the no parking issues and the pickup and drop off zone that we've asked them to target this area to try to keep keep um people compliant with the post um the police department we heard last month is um gonna be expanding that contractor to the weekends so this is an area song as well trying to air enforcement um so with that we are recommending that we go ahead and move the pickup and drop off zone from um that's west side of the street to the east side of the street to accommodate that northbound hiccup uh and drop off zone move to the next slide um yes and then uh miss hall is here to talk about um outreach that she has done to it the business is there and um we did reach out to the Altown Civic or Ms.

Hall reached out to the Altown Civic Association she could speak to that as well but so this our recommendation to go ahead and move it to the to the opposite side of the street and make that a permanent relocation okay any questions thank you buddy um yeah I heard that as part of it it would be really important to strike this here and you know make sure that you know so then that the little corral for the scooters is inclusive in part of this area where people just pull right in, think of drop off get out is that something that then we would want to include in a motion that's made like it's not really just a a movement shift but it's we're trying to make this more prevalent and note it would you want to include language to strike that area you certainly could um the striping is not so much the purview of the board as is the restriction on the street so that's just sort of extra to go along with it but if you want to mention that we're suggestion.

So you just when it comes just you did you had you mentioned in this um document a little bit about sort of that live that shift in jog um but you didn't speak to that just now so since we won't have the two competing like staggering areas are we feeling like everybody's gonna kind of more be on this side and there won't be that pressure to jog anymore there would still be the job that's what together slide because between no parking now that would be yes because so no parking would then turn into essentially a travel lane in the southbound direction.

So between the alley and King Street would be a traveling against that curve where it was the job will happen right at the alley where people have to shift over but we think that's also potentially a traffic calming or yes all right thank you Ashley do you have any questions no thank you um so I've got a one of them is the particularly where we have didn't see for people parked with an exposure parking do the restaurants give any warning to their customers or ask the question did you park legally it might be something that would be worth um engagement not that they're traffic enforcement or anything or parking enforcement but just to kind of give them a heads up that this could be a bad experience for you if you had parked your week room um I know I've been other places where restaurants do sort of give you that the kind of warning but um Fort Collins Colorado and they're very aggressive the parking um that you can't park and leave and come back and park again we got you couldn't uh I know um boys could experience well I made it I parked in this place and didn't didn't think I wanted to be there and left and then I realized that's where we wanted to be so yes uh so anyway uh I I think that would be useful and since we're here and we're talking about at this location one of the things I've noted when I bicycle report all of the painting that's going on I made a right turn down Keene Street which used to have signs saying bike riding wasn't allowed that's forward prepared to get off my bike but I noticed those signs aren't there so I was that intentional to encourage bicyclist or

I parked in this place and didn't think I wanted to be there and left and then I realized that's where I wanted to be.

So yes.

So anyway, uh I think that would be useful.

And since we're here and we're talking at this location, one of the things I've noted when I said it would avoid all of the paving that's going on.

I made a right turn down in King Street, which used to have signs saying bike riding wasn't allowed.

And I was fully prepared to get off my uh bike, but I noticed those signs aren't there.

So I was that intentional to encourage bicyclists, or is that just something that's happening?

We had a hard time getting the signs for years.

So we could we could look at putting them back in.

So I might suggest that perhaps do pavement rights.

Yeah, because those don't tend to get taken away as quick, especially since motor people uh don't go that way because I think there are times when I have access to the cycles right through there, and it's really not appropriate.

Um there's lots of people uh there.

So I I suggest something uh so the other questions we have not little turns from hearing.

Do we have any speakers here?

I guess so.

Um speakers or I I just basically had to be.

You went up here, so I assumed you were getting the speed.

Well, I was told I had to be here, so I was you know, I'm here to answer any questions you might have.

I will, you know, many of you may already know.

Pre-COVID, we had a valet parking service directly in front of landings, very successful, and so that was one of our concerns when we turned it into uh strictly pedestrian guys walk.

Um so the time has come, as you all know.

We've lost a few garages down there.

We're looking a few parking spaces down there on in the waterfront area, one and two hundred points again.

So we see this as a solution, and um nobody else is stepping up and plate to offer solution, but we feel very confident about this.

We've already experienced it.

Uh we're starting small, firing out wrinkles as we definitely uh joined at the hip with folks like the old town civic association, the torpedo factory condos.

We know that we need to speak with them constantly.

Um we share many ideas with those organizations when it comes to noise and that lower Key Street Portal as well as the traffic.

Um so we think we have a good working relationship with everybody, and as we're experiencing this for the first time on Lee Street, uh it's been a real eye-opener.

I'm happy to say that we've averaged on a Friday and Saturday night each night 15 to 20 cars that we have removed from the streets of Alexander and we put in a parking garage.

Uh we've got a great relationship with our garage owners and operators out there.

So um this has made us very happy to be able to say we're taking these folks off the the cars off the streets.

Mother's Day, we did 50 cars, little of them.

So and that's a um you all don't look as excited about it as I am.

That's a shame, but I think we've done a great job uh of this solution.

So and um as long as everybody's happy and we are listening to people as we go, I think that's key.

Well, actually, I would interject when I rode by the other day.

I they weren't doing any business at the time, but I I did note location up night and it happened to coincide with this, so I actually thought it was a pretty cool thing.

Thank you.

Yeah, and I think most of us will okay.

I uh does anyone have a question, Charlie.

Okay, do we have any other public speakers in uh did you have raising your hand?

Sorry.

Interesting speaking on this online.

I've seen one person with their hand raised, but please raise your hand.

I'm gonna go in the order I see hands.

We're gonna start with although it's a you know, were you planning to speak on this?

Okay, I'm just I'm gonna allow you to speak in the order which I see you.

I'm gonna start with the rich hop, followed by Heather Worsima.

Rich, I'm gonna allow you to speak.

Okay, can you hear me?

Yes, can you speak and hear a microphone, please?

Yes, is that any better?

Yes, okay.

So uh my name's Rich Hoff.

I live in the torpedo factory condominiums at 115 North Lee Street.

And that's that building just north of the alley.

Um and I guess you know, my summary of the current situation is with the valet parking and scooter and bike corral.

We've effectively eliminated one lane of traffic.

And then illegal parking on the southbound side of North Lee.

Umtiple no parking signs, but usually four to six cars parked in that area.

I've effectively turned North Lee Street into a single lane street that sometimes results in traffic backing up to Cameron.

The uh the red lines on your chart, frankly, aren't realistic.

Um on the southbound side, uh, the red line tends, like I said, to be filled with four or five cars, no signs of enforcement, even though there's oftentimes Alexandria Police Department personnel floating in the area.

Um the result is we've got a major safety issue with access for emergency vehicles, backed up traffic is blocking both the alleys, and you have some pickup and deliveries guys going to uh the pizza place down on King Street that's uh uh getting backed up, but certainly uh getting in and out of the garage is difficult now.

And you're worsening the situation because in the no parking area on southbound North Lee tends to be a drop-off point for Uber and Lyft, in spite of your yellow bar on your chart.

So again, that blocks off the traffic.

So, you know, what my request would be remove the corral, um place it on the King Street on the North Lee side of the barrier.

Uh move the valet parking somewhere else.

And if none of that is possible, get enforcement in place.

Um, furthermore, on North Lee, um, past the pickup zone, you have uh people continually parking in that area, running over to South Block.

So again, you're down to one lane.

So uh it might be feasible if there was enforcement and if the enforcement was serious.

I'm not sure a 40 dollar parking ticket is gonna stop.

Well, maybe a hundred dollar ticket and towing vehicles will.

But right now I've set Max several pictures.

It's chaos out there, and it's I think a real hazard because emergency vehicles can't get by.

Thank you.

Thank you very much.

Um I think uh actually brief this you had indicated that the uh contract parking that they were gonna actually increase the activity level on this section of the promise.

Yes, they yeah, the idea is to expand it to nights and weekends.

Oh, we had another screen.

Yeah, our next speaker is Heather Orsiva, and if you're interested in speaking on this item, please raise your hand.

Hello.

Can you hear me?

Yes, yes, we okay.

I a hundred percent agree with Mr.

Richard.

Um, we live in 120 North Union Street.

Um, I have communicated with you guys, I think four or five times.

Um I could not enter the garage at all.

The street doesn't only go down to one lane, it is actually blocked not only by legal parked people on one side on Lee Street, then we have the illegally parked, double parked, and then we have the illegally parked trucks on the other side heading the other direction towards the north.

The scooter um corral has now created uh illegal parking spot.

There were two or three trucks behind it today.

Um normally on Lee Street, we are having a hard time getting in and out of our houses, and with the scooter rack and now the valet, it is only making it worse.

Um when you guys discussed the plan, I have not heard any commentary on if there was a fire safety.

Um, if someone um is disabled and needs assistance with wheelchair access um to be able for trucks to come in to allow residents that live in the torpedo factory to get services according to federal law, which is the American Disability Act.

So I we have been having problems um before the scooter corral was there, and now it's only getting worse.

Furthermore, the enforcement, I mean I remember calling the the traffic enforcement because every time I talk to the city, they say call this call the non-emergency police number, we call them my husband comes home 20 minutes later, the streets blocked again.

So I there isn't a lot of um faith in the fact that they're going to be contractors that are going to be on Lee Street all the time because Alexander is a very busy uh city with you know lots of activities, unless there's a dedicated um officer that's going to stay here on Lee Street.

Um, we really need something to be done about this.

I think this is the only time I've ever lived somewhere where I have not been able to access my own house.

We can't get out of the garage.

There are blind spots um because of first the parking behind the scooter or the parking illegal parking when we're trying to make a right to get out of the garage on Lee Street.

So you have to be going into the opposite lane.

Um I have almost head-on collision multiple times as slow as I'm going, because other people are going fast the other way, you cannot see.

So I guess that's pretty much my input on this.

Thank you.

Thank you very much.

Um Matt, what is the uh kind of a plan for scheduling the extra contractor parking enforcement?

Um I know you told me they're gonna expand the hours, but um their current control area is what it goes up and down King Street and then uh Union and B.

Yes, so it's King Street between the metro and the water, and then the hundred blocks on on either side, maybe even the 200 blocks.

Okay, and how long does it take them to write a ticket?

You know, uh they are on foot, so they you know they move slowly, but they're they're already on the ground, so they can write tickets quickly.

Or they're using electronic uh devices for tickets.

Yes, they use the same system.

Okay, another speaker.

No, seeming to advance.

So I'd like to go back to kind of the comments about the scooter.

It seems like all of a sudden the scooter corral is a big deal.

Um how is it that trucks can park within the range of the scooter corral to cause the scooter corral to be a problem?

No, sorry, follow the question.

Well, the speaker had mentioned that there are times when two trucks are parked kind of by the scooter corral, it's a they're allowed to do that now because of the scooter corral.

Yeah, I I think there is confusion that those spaces are now legal spaces, those are the parking spaces where we want people to park to do those drop-off activities behind the scooter corral that before they were on the other side of the street, now they're actually behind that scooter corral.

So those are not illegal parking spaces now, those are actual parking spaces.

So if for some reason we remove the scooter corral would there would still be the pickup and drop-offs.

Okay, so the the scooter corral is basically happened to uh this is green.

The scooter corral was moved because it's sort of attached to the pick up and drop-off zone.

Correct.

We moved to move the zones, and we also did scooter corral.

And this is a well-defined scooter corral, so it's got the flex post on either end the sun.

Yeah, it has the flex post and it has a rack for five-three parked as well.

And then where the uh vehicles can pause for a moment that is to the north of the corral, so towards the alley.

It's to the south of the corral.

So it goes King Street, pick up drop-off zone, corral alley.

Okay, okay.

Yes, um, I'm looking at the Google Street View, and there's two delivery trucks parked illegally on the northbound like this exact plot we're talking about.

Um, and so remind me like what is the strategy for trucks that for I mean delivery trucks in the pedestrian zone.

Um are retailers or or establishments like responsible for getting their parts of the park and legal parking spots, are there sort of times that they're I should be restricted to sort of times.

I think they are.

What's the how do we do all this?

Because then I mean, it I don't know.

Doesn't look great.

Um there's restrictions in the minority for the loading hours, but I think the retailers and the businesses are somewhat limited.

A lot of times they don't know when the deliveries are happening.

They don't know that it might that they might have parked out there until they show up, and by then it's really too late.

Um I think it's just it's you oh yeah, sure, Charlotte, I love you.

So um we did discuss this quite a bit when we created the 100 king um pedestrian zone, and we tried working with our delivery trucks to say okay, can just do mornings and start times, and what we were finding is that even during COVID and after COVID, nobody could give could tell us when they can actually get down here and make that delivery because people were short of staff and they continue to short staff.

So nobody can commit to that I can get you that wine by time you want.

I'm gonna try to deliver the wine, but I can't promise and the same with the if you notice.

Um, if you're out Saturday mornings, you'll notice that we have our key meet produce trucks out Saturday mornings, and they typically will come out in the mornings on Union Street, and they will make deliveries from that one spot.

They'll make deliveries to about seven or eight restaurants.

Um and we have to work with them whenever there's a race or a walk on union street, then we have to call and say, Hey, can you come later on Saturday to make these electric off meeting stream?

So we've tried to do the time slot, but it just said more.

I appreciate that.

And I'm very sympathetic to like they get there when they get there, and like we can't dictate when drivers arrive.

But I think somehow we have to get people to park legally when they're like we need trucks need to park with them, and so I look forward to more enforcement.

We all believe me, we all do.

We all do because we we would love it, and Katie Turby taught this before.

We on behalf of the restaurant community, we would love to have Uber and Lyft loading zones.

We'd love to have so we can tell the Ubers and the Lyfts.

That's where you're gonna pick up your hoops, that's where you're gonna pick up your lift, and likewise, yeah, things with focus, and we'd like to do preferably a space other than these loading and unloading zones.

If we have to work with that, that's fine.

Because right now, and from one who works in old town every Saturday and Sunday, I see the Ubers and the Lyfts drop off in the middle of Union Street in the middle, not the loading and unloading zone that's empty in front of my store, but in the middle of Union Street.

So Morris says you know, then all of Union Street.

And you know, Max has uh worked with them to try the geofence pickups there.

It's it's if there's a space available, somebody's gonna park there, and so we we're we're trying to make these spaces at good locations, make them visible, make them open.

So I suspect that's a little problem.

So customers does not want to be dropped off here and drive wants to chill.

So there are common.

Yeah, I guess my couple comments is I I'm hopeful that enforcement can do better.

I realize this is a narrow place that this is a place where the the sheer size of the vehicles who are illegally parking are um problematic.

I also pulled up the Google Street View, and there's this massive FedEx truck just curved illegally.

Um I appreciate I want to go on the record that I also appreciate that you we are working to make those a multimodal with the scooters and access because I think it is as important, if not more important, that we accommodate alternative modes of travel in a narrow area like this, and I'll gently push back on some of the comments I've seen here about the scooter corral being nuisance.

But scooter corral is important for preventing more of the legal parking that we're seeing there because if we get people on scooters in that corral, you can get a dozen scooters in there, whereas you can only fit two, maybe three cars on this walk.

So I think our important thing is trying to train drivers, train the Uber, train the people who are working to establish and get the deliveries, work for the businesses, maybe drop off tourists to abide by the traffic rules and the no parking that we have, and I think enforcement is a part of that, but I also think maybe we need just some way because I'm seeing a lot of really bad data.

So maybe we need some way to just like we teach people the rules of how to drive crowded old town city like this.

Anything else?

Do I have anyone else online?

Ashley, did you want to speak?

I'm okay.

Thank you.

Okay.

Uh so do I have a motion here?

Back approval.

I move that the board recommends that the director T and DS relocate the existing pickup drop-off zone from south side of the 100 block of North B Street or the north side of the block.

Do I have a second?

Second.

Okay, and then of this session grows this one career to share.

Yeah.

I'd like to make sure that so can we amend the motion?

Just make your request.

I'd like to request to amend the motion to include striping in that in this location where the pickup drop-off zone is and inclusive of the scooter.

A quarter.

I'll segment that.

Okay.

All those in favor of the amendment.

Uh say I.

Opposed.

Okay, we got the amendments and now we'll go back.

Original amendment would be uh amendment to it.

So moving in barrier.

Okay, so would you add the striping special?

Yes.

Okay.

Okay.

So you're asking me.

Yeah, you need to keep the whole thing.

Okay.

Uh I don't have the language of the event.

So that I have is the striping benefit that I so the request was to include striping in the uh area of the call.

Yeah, the the Pudo and the bicycle.

That's what I said.

Do you want to repeat it?

Oh I recommend that the board, I move that the board recommend the director of TMES relocate the existing pickup and drop-off zone from the southbound side of the 100 block of North B Street with the northbound side of the block.

And include striping in the pickup and drop-off zone in the bike.

And the bike corral.

I so move.

All right.

Is there a second second?

Uh all those in favor.

Uh okay, that thank you.

Well, item nine residential parking permit changes.

House manager district.

Hi, my name is Gila McGrath.

I'm a parking perfect program manager.

I'm going to be talking to you today about a potential residential parking permit change.

Um, want to state up front that we're changing our language, our suggested language here to um instead of house manager edition to someone that provides services to a residential household.

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Um hopefully you're familiar with our residential parking permit program.

Parking demand um and it's expanded over the years.

Um, here you'll see our current zones outlined in purple, and then in green is the recent overnight parking district that you approved a couple of months ago.

Um this proposed change would affect all zones.

So it'd be almost a you know citywide effort, and that would allow people that provide services to residential households to have a way to also get a residential parking permit sticker.

Um, so I want to outline what changes have been made to allow for people to get uh residential parking permits who don't currently reside in these zones.

So currently people who provide health care uh services and child care services are able to receive uh permits to provide those services within the district.

Um, in order to do so, there's um several criteria.

They have to um provide the people who are applying on their behalf have to provide proof of residence, a notarized certificate that somebody who lives in the residence needs those services, either health care or child care services, and that the vehicle registration uh for the person who will be utilizing the permit.

Um and then there's a permit fee of 250.

And um last year in 2025, 40 of those health care and child care permits were issued across all of these zones.

Um for folks wanting to obtain um permits for their guests and visitors, we have ways to do that.

Um, and those were detailed in the docket item.

Um, and then we had received a request to provide an additional way for someone who provides services to a residential household to also be able to um get a permit.

So looking at this, we came up with some criteria that's a little bit more stringent um than the child care and um health care worker criteria.

Since those were designed for people serving a residence who are vulnerable population, somebody needing health care or child care services, they can't be interrupted to go move their car, for example, because you can't just leave it a child or somebody who needs health care to move a car, but um that wasn't clear necessarily to provide for additional um changes to the program.

So what we have looked at in this case is um providing criteria that the permit can't be transferred um among vehicles.

The resident has to provide proof of employment to suit themselves in the house and the person providing um services to their household.

The residents must not have off-street parking available, and then the permit fee would be higher $500.

Um, so that was the initial criteria we came up to up with, but we're open to suggestions as the board and folks see fit.

Um in terms of my time slide.

Oh, yeah.

So here's the requirements up on the slide.

Um, again, we are open to suggestions on these, but they are a little bit more stringent than the other one.

Um, and in terms of outreach, if you want to go to the next one, uh you will have seen in your comment letters that old town civic associate uh association was supportive of the proposed requirements, but they asked that we monitor usage um to make sure the program isn't being misused.

Um West Old Town Civic had questions about the program, and I didn't receive any additional follow-up after the letter I sent to you.

And um Delra Civic Association um noted a conflict between the residential parking permit program and um the ability to get permits for employees.

Um with that, I will move to our recommendation that the board recommend that city council.

So again, this recommendation will go to city council to amend um this code, section 587 to allow and we would change this language to allow someone who provides uh services to a residential household to obtain residential parking permits.

So just dump here on questions.

If you use a service, that's different from the important plumber wouldn't get a problem.

Like who is I mean yeah, that's really kind of so you said people were concerned about not being able to have this with employees.

Um struggling to understand what the difference between the service provider is and an employee if they're showing.

Yes, so I think there's um a distinction here we can pull up post picture, but if you run, for example, a business at your business out of your house, you're not allowed um to have more than two employees.

Is that correct?

Um so say you run a small firm or whatever it is, you can't have more than two people who can work out of your house employees, but this distinction in this permit would be somebody who's and that's for your business.

Whereas this is the distinction here is somebody who's providing services to your household.

So how do you prove that?

How do you prove service versus employment?

I think that's where we were trying to get with the uh the resident, the resident has to provide proof of employment.

That could be a contract with somebody who might provide.

Um, I mean, we started off with this as a house manager.

Um, I get that, but so if if this person is employed building database for me, and I can show proof that they're looking at I I know what you're trying to get at, but I don't think we I think we're we're struggling here to understand how to actually make sure to the concern of people how you can actually enforce this.

Um if if I employ them, and then I said, Well, they don't they actually come in and comb my dog's hair instead of being a data administrator.

Do we say, Oh, yeah, they can do that, even though they're paying $15,000 a year for that.

You know, there might be some skepticism that you pay that much for the dog grouping, but um, well, I I don't know how this can possibly be enforced.

Um people are pretty smart at gaming systems, and this one looks like it could be game.

So I think uh there probably needs to be some better clarification of I told Sheila earlier when I saw house grant the hell is that because that's so it uh uh and this is what the city council pushed over to you guys.

Yes, okay, but you've the definition.

So in the markup is still the definition of house manager, but now you just told us that it's really not going to be house manager anymore, it's gonna be someone who provides services to a household.

So, how is that going to be?

Are you updating this definition?

Yes, that's yes, we would need to update that.

I think the concern from our attorney's office was that we were harving out too many special cases, and we needed to be a little bit broader to not sleep certainly.

Okay, Mark, do you any questions on this?

Uh I have I guess the couple of questions and and maybe kind of a brainstorming comment as well because I'm also a little confused about like the who is this applying to.

Um, I guess one of the questions is are the how long do these um permits last?

Are they here?

Do they come back for report?

So would they need to re-certify themselves here?

Um I'd say that was the first question.

Um I guess would there be any sort of program maybe to encourage so a lot of these are in areas with limited parking already?

Seems like this is designed for that.

Are there any programs that we might use to encourage a more multi-cobal approach?

It seems also like this could encourage kind of uh a subsidy for driving to already crowd collectives.

Is that part of the consideration?

Or I think that's where we propose a higher fee to make it, yes, it only if you absolutely need it and have any other option.

Okay, you can have this permit, but it is gonna be a little bit more expensive.

And then I would say I'm not sure that I think we need a little more therapy on who this applies to, and one of the ideas that popped up from sort of what we have already, as well as the people who are making this request, is people who this seems to be a type of service that is tied to the location of the property explicitly that would require the resident to be there for a long term.

So people were talking about leaving having someone reside basically in the property for an extended period as a house manager, and I think they need some sort of way of formally identifying what how these types of positions are linked to the property and making it so it's not just like plumbers, landscapers.

I I think we need some sort of metric for eligibility rather than uh services to hospitals.

Uh Ashley, do you have questions around?

Um I was also wondering for examples of what this might envision applying to I'm sorry, I I couldn't quite catch what the last word you said.

I second Dane's question about like what is intended.

Yeah.

Okay, thank you.

Um yeah, I'm also struggling with this.

Like I uh uh apparently it's just something council possessed.

So I appreciate trying to tread that needle.

Uh and I appreciate that you've made the hurdle very high because I think that will discourage Miss You said probably will only work this one that's requested it.

Um I yeah, like I I'm trying I guess it doesn't matter.

Like I'm trying to envision a situation of like two hour parking restriction of RP will not work, um, but you're not going to live there or be there long enough to like get a residential parking limit yourself.

Um but again, maybe that doesn't matter if uh I don't see any downsides necessarily to this.

I just don't think it'll get used, which you've already acknowledged.

Um yeah, I mean I think the fee the having a higher fee is a good idea.

I mean, I guess I will just join the course and I was like, but as a house manager, and I'm still kind of just like I've got it.

I don't I'm not rich enough, I don't have that thing.

Um and I yeah, I guess I don't necessarily see the downside either.

I'm just really struggling with like who is the audience for this and like uh understanding of the council directed it, it would be helpful to have a little bit more context from council on the need, like is there demand for this?

Um because I do worry also about drawing it so narrowly that yes, then they're basically nobody's eligible for this, but also not defining it so broadly that it no that shakes out to like 40 bucks a month, and I could see you know, somebody exploiting it.

Um given that we don't understand, like I still don't really understand how you would define or establish that you are providing services.

Like what kind like that's such a services is such a broad term.

Um so yeah, I think we just really helpful to have more informational counsel on what the goal is here.

Um we have um Lindsay Duke's from our city attorney's office that can provide clarity and she has additional language if they'd like her to give her yeah, before we do that, but um questions.

Yeah, I mean, so we're gonna see new markup with a new definition, right?

And well, no, you all would make a recommendation and then we would incorporate your comments into the version that goes to council.

So one would be coming back to you unless you deferred it, I guess.

Okay, that's frightening.

Um I believe the $500 fee is higher to discourage, but quite frankly, it's may not be high enough.

Like I just I don't know, I don't know.

And I was trying to understand like what are our thresholds to um suspect abuse.

So if we only had last year 40 of um child and home health care, would we be alarmed if within this first year we get 50 of these service house service providers?

I mean, because this seems so broad that it has the potential to eclipse the people providing child care and home health care services.

Um so I am a little fearful that 500 may not be enough to discourage discourage abuse.

Um yeah, I guess when I read this, I thought it was all about the RBO, Airbnb people.

I now seem like it's a whole new thing.

Um that's yeah, that's it for me, you guys.

Yeah, come back to a 500.

That's a 40 dollar parking ticket each month.

And for some people, this would be perfect.

So I think one of the problems in the city, and we talked about this before here is that we've undervalued the price of parking.

And and this really, um, we've had people come testify who said that when she gets a 40 parking ticket, she just charges the customer just to cost of doing business and thinking of it.

Honestly, it's just the we are costly in the business.

It's not enough.

Um, I think if we're gonna do this, we need to start recognizing uh the real value of the parking.

I'm I'm sure we're gonna hear you know, people talk about scarcity, and we're just another problem for the scarcity or parking and pretty much different 40 bucks a month for some of those people who can afford this service first, probably it seems like a lot of but I but it's I don't think it's good uh so I'm gonna suggest that the public changes, however, I think unless Ashley's got any more questions now.

Okay, so then let's try and try so she can clarify exactly what all this is about.

Lindsay, do you um are you able to speak?

Um, I unfortunately don't have too much to add, however, uh the intent behind the term uh someone that provides services to a residential household is uh because it's a little too narrow uh to the point of being arbitrary that a house manager per se could get um parking, but then somebody else that provides services to that household potentially on a full-time basis.

If you guys want to add that as a threshold, um such as uh a chef that's there all day, or a um, you know, somebody that's uh cleaning staff all day, uh, people that all of us I'm sure have.

Um we um uh that that's sort of what the the terminology is meant to encompass.

And so when you mention a plumber, that's someone that would probably come over on a one-off basis.

An individual is pretty unlikely to be uh you know, spend 500 or potentially more based off this conversation dollars applying for a permit for a plumber to come by once or twice a year.

Uh and so the intent behind it is for individuals who are dedicated to working on the home rather than as employees for people that work from home.

And uh again, right now, for example, there isn't a minimum number of hours that are being worked per week, and so if that's a concern, you guys could potentially add an hourly threshold.

But I I just wanted to clarify about uh the the intent behind the name.

Thank you very much.

Um, so kind of one other thing that concerns me is sort of the proof of employment.

If I show you a stub that I gave them $500 instead of approved of appointment, so we really need to make sure that you know clarified what proof of employment means by them in cash, is that the same as issue in a check?

So uh any yes, uh the applicant must demonstrate that existing off-stream parking is not feasible for the user.

I mean, how are they demonstrating that?

So that uh is a good point.

So currently, where we got this from is um with our ADA disability on street parking application process.

This is a criteria we have that you cannot have off-street parking available to you to get an AA space in front of your house.

So that is something that we actually are more familiar with looking at.

So for example, somebody might uh have turned their alley access, but we would consider available parking into uh some planting area, but we would say, well, you do have or they say you know, there are cases where we've dealt with that because we are familiar with this kind of criteria from the ADA uh parking program.

Okay, any other questions.

Do I have a motion?

Yeah, uh, sorry, sorry, sorry.

I'm sorry, I'm sorry.

Um are there any people in your audience who would like to see?

Oh, good.

I'm Vino Brudy.

I'm currently holding the short straw as the president of the West Old Town Citizens Association.

Um we put this now.

We got five or six days notice, not time to get the work directors together or anything, but we did put it out quickly to our membership, and we got pushback on we specific there's it's all there's already not enough street parking.

Some of us don't have access to off-street parking.

The association's treasurer's example of that because she's in a landblock law.

And the concern was Airbnb and some Airbnbs do have the owner living on the property, would have the cleaning crew and this that and the other taking up what is already shortage of parking spaces for the people who live there.

Now I would now this house manager thing seemed limited enough that there would be few, if any takers.

Chefs, cleaning crew, the cleaning crew might not be employees.

Now X amount of money to the clean, and then the cleaning crew shows up and cleans the house.

And frankly, I think that because of the last-minute change in definition, which is more than dividends, which vastly expands the number of potentially eligible parkers.

This should be renoted to the civic associations and the federation because the meaning of it has vastly changed before it is considered for action.

Thank you.

Thank you very much.

Good.

So do I have more discussion?

Let me see if you want to.

And is anybody interested in speaking on this item who's online?

If so, please raise your hand.

Hands raised at all.

Yes.

I move that we've defer this item.

Um there are way too many unknowns too broad.

And uh I think it delutes the value of the residential parking permit.

If basically anybody who's providing service of some sort of employment contract can get the permit.

We already have two-hour parking slots in residential parking permits.

And there's been so much discussion about the unknowns.

I think we need more um information before we can have televote on that.

Go ahead and say second.

Is there any discussion?

Um to refer it uh for additional information to consider a uh into the voting higher wait.

Yeah, okay.

I'll second that all right.

So let's vote on friendly amendment.

All those in favor say aye.

Can you can you repeat the friendly amendment?

Sorry.

The friendly amendment was also uh on returning with more information also uh included uh an increased rate of the proposed uh okay.

Thank you.

Uh I guess I would it be helpful to have specific questions for which we're interested in more information, or do staff feel like they have a good sense of what we're interested in learning.

It would be helpful to have.

So I I would suggest we could actually vote on these two the friendly amendment and the uh deferral and then come back to um giving a more specific slate.

I mean, we we've essentially said it's not ready if we could give them and what our part of the board thank you.

Yeah, uh so then on the friendly amendment for adding uh increasing the cost to all those in favor.

Uh and so the friendly amendment's been added to Annie's so Annie's gonna tell us what that is.

I vote to defer this item um so that we can get more information, hopefully from the city that we will identify voluntarily and also um to uh look at raising the fee for the permit.

Uh is there a second for that?

Second marks seconded, and all those in favor say aye.

Aye, okay.

So now we can have a discussion about what we think are the questions that really needs.

And I'm gonna start this with basically one would be the really ask city council to just get a little more clarity, you know, if possible, uh, on what it is they're hoping cheap.

Or if they could direct the proponent to us so the proponent can explain what their situation is, though I expect they probably asked us because they maybe were tired of guarantee.

That's great.

Um as far as questions go, um we definitely want to see this updated definition of a person who provides services to a household, but I would suggest reconsidering that definition and also looking at making like a full-time employee and not only maybe not only like 40 hours a week, but also for an extended period of time.

I I was actually wondering if it was the other way.

Um, I think that's Annie, like extended period of time is it isn't clear to me if the intent of this is like a short term but longer than is currently allowed.

Like I'm doing a project on my house, and I know that I'm gonna have a contractor here for six months and they need parking, but can you like do you need a full year?

So I think it'll be helpful to understand the intended, you know, who's supposed to benefit from this and like what are examples of the need for it.

Yeah, and I think understanding that a contractor is not an employee, so really nailing the definition of an employee uh you're you know, filing an income tax uh information on the funding's uh person, you're paying taxes those person, we don't do that.

So I think and giving around to the proof of the employment, that would be part of uh what needs to be there is uh where's the W4 that should file on behalf of that commission.

And I think I would need a little better kind of clarification of services as well.

Um I don't think it's necessarily a good idea to basically have someone start up a business in their home, but some random business unrelated to their home, let's say something they could rent to you as a local coffee shop down the street, and then use this potentially as a way of giving their employees parking in their house.

So I I would want clarification that would kind of tie what we're giving to these people, uh this kind of permit to the property or the household group or something where there's a connection there because like the the medical services, the income health care that's that's all tied to a person who lives out of place.

So I understand why it's why the residents.

This I'm not sure the services to a household needs to be at that household.

And if it doesn't, I'm not sure it's a good idea.

Yeah, because it seems like the exception is the rule.

And I don't know if we define how many permits of household forget, but there should definitely be a definition of if it's beyond one, there really should be some huge questions as to what's really going on.

Um sounds like something more than perhaps is move for this uh situation.

And I and I think to uh what you know this folks would really need to better understand the from the community the and the sensitivity of this and I don't know if there's a an easy way to reach the community in these parting.

Do you guys have a what the way you communicate the folks who get apart from history uh decount just through outreach to the civic associations, okay?

Of course, so the associations can sometimes be broader than the parking district part.

Yes, yeah.

So in that case, if if you do reach specific associations, we really want to hear from the people who are in the parking district.

And I don't know if there's a way that we kind of filtered that and the elements are coming back from specific association, but it certainly should be the message coming out that we're already parking districts, but not the broader boundaries of self-defined boundaries of the system.

Any other clarifying questions for the first one?

Just for our record too.

I think I heard uh Rosemary say like what is a threshold of misuse look like.

So that'll do that too.

And then my goal would be for investing back the city in six months.

But I don't know.

So is that enough to go?

And that would certainly take more than one, I'm sure.

All right.

So uh we voted on yes, so we're all squared away towards.

So now we're down to staff updates.

Um so please make this question.

I know we are getting late this evening.

Um so my name is Sarah Brant Burrell, I'm a capital project manager with the Department of Transportation.

Just gonna give you guys uh an overview of our recently um ongoing work grant feasibility study.

We're we're nearing the end of this, um working towards a final report um and wrapping up at the end of June, um, but just kind of giving you a big update and some preliminary recommendations.

Uh, next slide.

Um, so just for some quick context, this this project um is simply a study.

Um, it was made possible by a grant from the Metropolitan Washington Council of Government and VDOC, who's helping to administer it.

Um, we're looking at North Beauregard Street from Fillmore Avenue, kind of on the north end, um, all the way down to the Fairfax County border on the Ponio Road.

So it's about a mile and a half.

Um, and it's really diverse portion of the city.

So we'll kind of dive into that a little bit.

Um next slide.

Um, and before we I kind of get into the existing conditions and then the engagement we've done and some of the some discussion, I just want to spend a moment really highlighting why we undertook this study.

Um constructing a dedicated trail on this portion of North Beauregard really helps us advance some city wide goals that have been established through adopted plans and policies.

Yeah, this supports the Alexandria Mobility Plan by improving mobility safety and access for all roadway users.

Um it also aligns with the recently completed Alex West plan goal, the increasing pedestrian and bicycle access across the neighborhood while supporting the city's continued commitment to vision zero to eliminate traffic fatalities and severe injuries by creating dedicated space for people walking and biking.

Um, and in addition, you know, when we have more trails and safe places for people to walk and bike, it helps us reach some of our sustainability goals as well.

Um next slide.

So I'm gonna dive into the existing conditions.

This is a little consolidated.

If you want to know more, please go on to the project website.

We have a longer recorded presentation.

Um next slide.

Um, so I'm sure many of you are very familiar with North Beauregard, either walking, biking, and driving.

Um, you know, it's a popular road in the city, but this space is really designed for cars and not necessarily for people.

Um right now the roadway has four or more travel lanes along its length.

It really creates a wide distance, it's gonna be difficult to cross.

Um the existing sidewalks are very narrow, and they are you know about four to five feet in width, and they tend to be located very close to the roadway where we do have vehicles traveling at higher speeds.

So walking can feel quite uncomfortable.

Um, in addition, there are many steep slopes and hills along the length of this corridor.

Um, and we have kind of a discrepancy in development levels with higher density in the northern end, most of the filmore, and then the density gradually tapers out as you move south along the corridor.

I think something I do want to point out that isn't on a slide is that we also have a lot of schools along this corridor too.

And so um, you know, a lot of our elementary schools are designed in a way that students do have the opportunity to walk in.

So I think that's something that um kind of gets lost in a lot of our our discussions.

You know, this is a community-wide benefit.

Um next slide.

Thank you.

So, you know, knowing that our trail design options are definitely influenced by the roadway capacity, our team did a uh preliminary traffic analysis to look at volumes.

Um, you know, by intersections in the study area, the volumes do vary.

And so that really is telling us that drivers enter and exit the corridor at different points and don't necessarily travel in its entirety along the full lane.

Um that being said, overall, the the roadway does have capacity right now to carry the number of vehicles that we're using it.

Next slide.

And I do want to kind of dive in just a little bit more about the the volumes.

So on this slide on the right, um, we've got this graph that shows the average peak traffic volumes by intersection.

So we've got our five big intersections on this um graph.

And so the yellow line, so the gray bars show when we went out there and did traffic counts, the highest volume of vehicles across three days for both the morning brush hour and evening rush hour.

So one out did counts for three days, and the highest number of across those three days shown for the peak times.

Um, what you see in the yellow line is for a one-lane road, what is the capacity for that road, and the blue line is for two lanes.

And so if the gray bar is under the line, the number of cars can move slowly through there.

And if the gray bar starts going above either the yellow or blue line, that's when you start experiencing congestion.

So, what this translates to and tells us is um right now, it's except for seminary, all of the gray bars are underneath underneath both the one lane and the two-lane capacity.

So we have enough space.

The volume is low enough that our road is overbuilt, essentially.

Um, so we can we do have an opportunity to consider reductions in lanes as we move forward as part of the design.

Um next slide.

Um so another thing I think we want to think about too is thinking about the changing character of the corridor.

We have the varying traffic volumes, and it's also a very long corridor, a mile and a half.

So uniform trail design might be a little difficult, kind of balancing across these three spacters.

Um, so you know, some things to think about.

We've kind of got these three core defining areas on the northern end from Fillmore Avenue to about seminary road.

Um, we already have a decent portion that has uh a 10-foot-wide trail that has been constructed off street.

Um, this is what you see already in front of the spire, it's coming in at Newport Village and it's at um uh not valid to us, but that other project.

Um yeah, so it might make sense to think about continuing that design.

Then when we kind of look in the middle from seminary down to about Sanger, um, you know, this is the part of the study area that's going to have the future West End transit way.

So we need to think about the design of whatever we put in here is compatible with both bus traffic and safety.

Um, and then finally, kind of this third portion in the southernmost part, um, which is south of Sanger Avenue.

We're not envisioning increased bus traffic here, but we have a lot of topography and also floodplain considerations in this area.

Next slide.

Um, so dive into some of the design ideas that our team came up with and um shared with the community.

Next slide.

Um, so we came up with three initial concepts for the trail.

Um, at this point, the study was just looking at one side of Beauregard.

We proposed the east side.

Um, so as is now that's kind of what was put forward.

Um in alternative one, the the concept would keep your existing curve in place and then extend the sidewalk away from the roadway that would create a wide shared use path.

So in that instance, you would go from about four to five foot sidewalk to maybe closer to 10 or 11.

Um, and you can see the the dotted line is showing the existing curve and how that is relative to the proposed changes.

Um, in alternative two, our suggestion would be to move the existing curved lines forward into one of the existing travel lanes on North Bower Gard Street to create that wider shared use path.

So, once again, your sidewalk would get wider, but the space for that width would come from the roadway.

Um, and then in alternative three, the existing curve and sidewalk would stay the same, but instead one of the existing travel lanes would be repurposed into a bike lane.

Um next slide.

Um when we started thinking about the feasibility of these various corridors, uh it became apparent pretty quickly that a lot of these options would be possible across multiple blocks.

And so there's a number of permutations you could think about across the corridor.

So we needed to think about another, you know, other ways to think about picking a design.

Next slide.

So to help start comparing the advantages and challenges of each of those three design alternatives, we kind of we set up this comparative categories that would help guide the selection of a preferred trail design.

So the categories on the left are looking at safety opportunities, design potential impacts to travel, how each design could impact private property, and then the potential cost and timeline to implement.

Then staff went through and gave an initial rating within each of these categories for these alternatives and shared this framework with the community.

So this is just a starting point to kind of flag some of the big picture opportunities and challenges.

Next slide, please.

And so there, while there's some nuance between those three alternatives and in the design considerations, which I would say are at the top of this list.

I think the strongest differentiators are really how much each of these alternatives would cost to construct, and then also how long of a timeline that would be for construction.

Thinking about alternative two, widening the trail into the streets to somewhat of a middle ground in terms of cost and timeline since we already know the land, but you still have to move the curve.

You have to move the utilities, you have to move stormwater and all of that, those hard costs.

And then the third alternative of repurposing an existing travel lane for a protected bike lane really offers the fastest and least expensive alternative for the three ideas.

Next slide, please.

So to kind of start giving staff some guidance, it helps shape those potential designs.

We had an online community meeting on March 25th that also launched an online feedback form.

While we did have extensive outreach with direct emails to community advocacy groups, emails to HOAs and property owners, signage on the corridor, e news, social media, we did have a relatively low response rate.

So I do want to say anything that we do moving forward will include additional engagement, and that will be important to continue promoting and seeking feedback from the community.

So that being said, those who responded, I think did share some important insights.

Generally speaking, I think the idea that this space is designed for cars really comes forward with how people responded to feeling safe traveling through this space.

People feel safest while driving and safe while biking and scooting.

And then when we asked respondents also to help us rank potential safety issues in the corridor, I think the responses which you see on the right really speak to the need to be providing additional and separate spaces for cyclists and pedestrians that are separated from vehicles given some of the speeds and driver behavior people reported in the area.

Next slide.

So assigning value to a consistent design from start to finish.

And then honestly, what we heard really re-emphasizes this.

But really, once again, it's there's too much speed, there's a lot of people using the space already, and thinking more that how the topography impacts how people travel through the space, especially for cyclists and separating people walking and biking.

So based on the site conditions, staff analysis and community input, these are some of our preliminary recommendations for discussion and some of your feedback.

So really going back to our initial premise that the nature of this quarter really has three separate segments.

And so we essentially have three separate recommendations.

Next slide, please.

So in segment one at the northern part, and so this is from Fillmore Avenue to Seminary Road.

You know, our recommendation is really to continue that shared trail concept that widens away from the street.

What we see in this part of the corridor is that there are a number of private parcels already redeveloping or are likely to redevelop in the nearer future.

And so I think this gives us an opportunity to coordinate with private redevelopment to assist with the implementation and construction of this trail.

And this also then allows for that continuity of design that we're already seeing, starting at Cain Street and moving southward along Beauregard.

This decreases the cost for the city, but I will say that then the timeline for implementation is dependent on the private redevelopment, and so we have no guarantee on when this could be.

So that's a great question.

This would be on the east side where we already have that wider 10-foot trail.

That being said, there's no reason why a wider sidewalks on the west side as those parcels come in, if it was on the west side wouldn't be put in that are in compliance with our complete street risk.

And so now moving down to segment three.

Um, and this would be the southern part from Sanger Avenue to the Fairfax County border.

Um, our our recommendation is to continue exploring an in-street protected and separate bike lane.

Um, you know, this area is stable, uh condos developed or garden style apartment buildings.

We don't expect redevelopment to occur in this area in the future.

Um, and there are relatively low traffic volumes, and the West End Transitway is not coming into this space.

So repurposing a travel lane does offer an opportunity for a low cost and shorter time frame to install protected bike facilities.

Um, this creates that separate space for people walking and biking, creates a buffer for pedestrians from vehicles, and it also helps slow down some of the vehicle speeds by reducing the lanes from two to one.

So I think this helps to begin to address a number of the community priorities that are identified in based on the feedback form.

Um to move forward with this consideration.

I think staff would recommend additional study along just this dedicated portion of the corridor.

Um, this would be a more in-depth traffic study.

Um I think a design that considers bike lanes on both sides would be appropriate as part of that detailed study.

Um, and then also additional analysis just to make sure we're not missing any other potential design permutations.

Um, and then for segment two between seminary road and Sanger, you know, we do not have an additional design recommendation based off of the concepts that were developed as part of this initial feasibility study.

Um, and we would say this should be its own kind of separate study within this segment.

Um, you know, I think this the nature of this corridor is more challenging at the northern part at seminary.

We are seeing redevelopment in Mark Center at the Adams neighborhood with one day properties.

Um, and we also have the West End Transitway that is in the process of being constructed.

So we really need to be thinking about integrating the bus operations with whatever we're proposing in this space.

Um and we also have a wide variation in traffic volumes and how that changes along that corridor.

Um so we would recommend once again a more detailed traffic study and design exploration, um, looking at facilities on both sides of North Beauregard.

Is this an opportunity for a shared bus bike lane in both sides of North Beauregard, and then how that segment two could then connect segments one and three to help achieve maybe some of that goal of design continuity through the corridor.

Um, so just to summarize kind of our recommended next steps as part of this bow regard train facility study is maybe moving forward more on segment three and in the shorter term, um looking at additional study and analysis, um, having a deeper traffic study, and then coming up with a uh a more firm recommendation to come back to you all for an actual approval of the design.

Um as I mentioned earlier, anything we would do would be kind of new project community outreach and engagement um process.

Um and then the segment two, that middle section from seminary the same are um, you know, I think this is a a larger study.

Um we would need to think about uh integrating it to our larger work plan in terms of timing and funding for that.

Um, and then once that's identified kind of within all the other department priorities and starting design.

So that timeline, I think is a little more.

Um so you know, really I think just wanted to check in with you all, kind of have discussion if there's any you know, sort of next steps or questions in present for that.

Um just there in the final slide.

Yeah, we also have additional information on the project website presentation, uh a little more information on the context.

Uh thanks, sir.

Uh very comprehensive uh fly by other a few years away, but it's kind of interesting to see that.

Uh one comment I'd make before I have others uh come up.

Yeah, and this is that I brought up in your mark meeting was really to tie in when you're showing that kind of the overview uh the kind of existing stuff just beyond uh filmmore to the north, and so how it connects to the uh Arlington trail system as well as kind of uh including the kind of the hope for Velregard connection to the east as well as then kind of the home front trail.

Like you know, those are the existing um bike infrastructure, and then I think that would help to give people a better kind of new uh and with the caveat that that's not included in the project, but at least it creates some context uh what's going on.

Um, so Ashley, do you have any questions for Sarah?

No, I appreciate you checking with me, Casey.

Okay, thank you.

Um Mark.

Oh uh thank you, uh Mr.

Chairman.

Thank you, Sarah.

Um I have not followed this project, frankly, so I just saw the slides this afternoon.

So my comments are very initial from that standpoint.

Um but uh but I do have three specific comments.

First of all, in general, I'm glad you're doing this.

I think it's great.

It's good to one of the most difficult challenges in transportation and community planning is you know, harnessing urban arterials, and that's uh you know, that's always a always a big challenge.

So thank you for taking it on.

Um specific three specific comments.

Number one in segment one, you talk about the shared uh trail for bicycles and pedestrians to indicate that that is continuation of coming down from the north.

Uh my concern there, and it was raised by one of the community outreach um balloons there, was that uh some people may not feel safe walking people, uh sharing trail uh with bicycles, particularly in this area.

Uh I I believe, I don't know if well, but I believe we have a lot of uh senior housing people uh uh you know that maybe uh if not mobility impaired, at least uh concerned about their safety when they're walking.

Uh and certainly we want them to be walking, right?

That's part of the healthy uh aging process.

Um I don't know if there's any way you can address that.

Maybe maybe you have some experience from the northern part of this trail.

Uh maybe you can talk to some of the people like uh you know, some of the social workers in some of those places that are attached to some of those uh uh residents or something that have some professionals that deal with these questions.

I'd be interested in more feedback on how we can alleviate that concern.

I don't know whether it's an engineering issue or educational issue or a striping issue or whatever, but I I'd like some more of that issue.

So that's number one.

Uh number two, uh in segment two, I understand that this has to be designed around this is the segment or the transit way it's want to be.

And I understand that you have to sort of work uh in tandem with that.

You indicated that one of the options uh is a shared bus slash bike lane.

Yeah, or that really scares me a little bit.

Uh we want those buses to be able to get some speed on a on a separated lane.

More than 25 miles now.

Well, whatever.

Maybe you probably bike that fast.

I don't know.

But uh but I I just I I'm also concerned with that potential conflict.

Uh and I would uh uh that makes me a little uncomfortable.

Maybe maybe you have examples of where that's worked in other cities, uh, or you know, if you can provide more evidence or feedback along that line if you're pursuing that, uh I would uh I would appreciate that.

Uh number three, a broader point and in addressing your uh community uh engagement and community uh input.

Uh to me, this is a bit of a sore point right now.

We uh just came off of experience with the Braddock Road project where we ended up with a good project.

I think it could have been a better project, but it was a good project, but uh at a very high cost in terms of collateral damage, a community bitterness opposition division.

So I'm sure there was if you look at all the statistics, our project had lots of uh community engagement, community input, but frankly, it just didn't work as well as it should have worked.

So I believe that we need to do a better job.

I believe we need to do a better job in terms of uh having deeper and broader community engagement, getting into real community-based planning.

Uh, and that's the lens of when you look at this project, frankly.

Uh it's okay to have a great project on paper and the designs are super we all love it.

Uh but I want it to be something that is also a uh a project that has engaged the community and has broad community support.

So I note that for future reference that uh I will I personally will certainly be coming back to that in the future.

So uh thank you for your hard work and we look forward to seeing future iterations.

Thank you.

Um, so I think I'd love to see this.

Honestly, I'm I'm excited to see the work in the future.

I think I'm gonna focus first on segment one, because particularly in line of some of the feedback that we want to try to maintain consistency throughout the core, and because segment one is honestly where I've been walking to the traffic parking board, they dropped me off at Billmore on the 31, I believe, and then I'll just walk over around.

And I think right now that shared use bike path is not really a shared use bike path, and people are riding in the streets or share is painted on segment one, especially given we've seen this as overbuilt.

I do want to ask what's precluding separated bike lanes on that segment.

I don't know that we would precluding it.

I think the assumption going into this study had been that kind of a wider off-road path that was you know wider but away from traffic was kind of the gold standard in terms of kind of action and separation from vehicles.

Um, and so that is kind of the yeah, I think that was the assumption going in is like that would be the best.

And if we can't like have what are other ways we can provide similar kind of protection and separation from units, um so there's nothing to say that we couldn't do both.

Um I I'd like you to at least look into it.

I think we could get some useful traffic calming as well.

It sounds like the road in general is overdone, and so I think we can also get some benefit by doing more sort of remove lanes.

I'm also worried about the timeline on segment one.

I think until you expand that entire segment.

I saw just I think a few months ago, I was at Southern Powers, someone had three near misses turning into Southern Towers on their bike on a left turn.

They almost got hit from behind, they almost got hit by a car coming down by regard, and they almost got hit by a car driving turning out of Southern Towers.

And so I think um, I can understand where you're at, but since the that wider segment of the road really narrows down your seminary uh um as it's going past Southern Powers, I think it's valuable also to consider the timeline, and that until we get the that wider sidewalk, we're inviting fatalities, especially near Southern Towers, where I see a lot of lists doing that track.

So that's like I think my main suggestion is kind of like one.

Um the segment two, I am interested in bus bike, but like mark I sort of want some evidence.

I've seen it done to good effect in BC with bus bike, but that's a very urban area with very, very slow travel speeds.

And this is a little less dense.

This is an old town, this is the west end a little bit.

Um so I'd definitely be interested in any types of designs that we can use.

Um, especially because I think it is important to have put a big dedicated bus space and a dedicated bike space.

And if we can make it work, great.

I think it works better than in general via the popular traffic, just because we can have big buses and there are fewer of them, maybe more people.

Um I'm interested, I think I'm largely quite satisfied with no real concept.

Well, I just interject one thing.

I think the challenge from Southern Towers to King Street is there's actually likely to be a fair amount of bus travel there.

You've got dash route, we have the same or the expressway plus Fairfax County is looking at adding an expressway uh at least the Southern Towers uh often through so that's gonna end up being uh really the congested area for buses, I think.

Um and so it just complicates, but it doesn't include it.

Uh but it is one of the conditions uh uh things you have to think about in that person.

I don't know.

I mean, a lot of people are making the same first.

Um as many have said, and certainly I know Casey joins me who live over there.

Um I know the stretcher road really well.

It is um what our community along that corridor have been forced to live with um and the fidelities and access over the years is just a prime.

Um so I'm very glad and can I appreciate the efforts you like while being comprehensive if there's pieces we can move forward reasonably um on faster timelines, that's great because I would as this comes forward if it's closer to us.

I would cordially invite all of my non-West end colleagues to spend the day uh in that corridor.

Maybe you could have one of the elementary schools there.

I think it would be more.

Yeah, the new the George Mason, but I just find it.

Okay, in the swing space, yes, but that will always have kids at it too.

So correct.

For I think it would be helpful in like this presentation, say routes to school wasn't included as one of the plans that it feeds into.

So I would make sure to highlight um that as well.

Um on that note, I would note like for an anti-day kids all got a bike a couple a year or so ago, and they don't have anywhere to write it.

Um and they can't simply get most of me can't pick it down to the phones right trail.

So um this is all very important.

Um you know I would note just that the concept of shared use uh paths, I think has a lot of pros and cons.

And I think deep community engagement, culturally um specific community engagement would be really important there in our communities that live out there because on the on the one hand I have to say in the part of that community.

There's a lot of folks that would still be very hesitant to use a protected bike lane on the road, and that might change over time.

Um, and they're much more likely to use sharp use back.

Um that said, it is also an extraordinarily healthy pedestrian zone, especially like two and three.

Um it's just a lot like join us over there.

People are like hauling groceries in a cart, you know, from like all the two street all the way up.

Um so I think you know as you're studying and proposing alternatives, you know, including both, I think where where possible is a good idea, and then also really just education about what does a protected bike lane look like who likes it bi directional on either side.

What does the shared use lane look like and how would it be marked?

What you know, like home's run trail is is striped and it makes a huge difference.

Um speaking of homes run trailing case already mentioned that, but whatever we do with 7-3, like as that west side of Bauer Guard hopefully reopens this wall that that I don't know what's getting close up in the days, Casey.

Um for the teachers of our kids' school that have to take the detour.

Um you know, really figuring out a user-friendly um way to get across, like bike lanes around both sides to get across like at Morgan or just shy of Morgan that intersection there.

Uh you know, I had a family member and a dog get hit there years ago um before they closed homes or jail.

I see a lot of near misses in that area right now.

Um constantly seeing nearness is there.

Um sorry, I have a laundry list because I know this burner well.

Um, and I'm excited to see what you reinforce.

I would note on segment two, I think one one really important thing, and I'm sure you're already looking at it is the topography is quite different there, but segment two is really where the hills are, and so the downhill speeds are I have to set the cruise control to not speed, and I'm actively trying to not speed.

Um, and then uphill it is unless you have an e-bite and you're really really pushing it, like it is terrifying if they like the cars go until they're almost on top of you going up that hill.

Um so and then I think just keeping that in mind is will be important.

And then you know, I just want to like foot stomp again.

Um, I know it's like the the early outreach on sort of a big picture collecting what is your concerns, and a lot of this came up in the Hell It's West plan.

So I do understand that as well, but I would say just moving forward um to the extent that you can continue um really targeted community out which I think that Hells West Plan did like a really awesome job of that actually with the WhatsApp groups, different languages, connecting with like the Afghan um community groups, act and you know the African POE groups.

Um there's a lot of very culturally specific um organizations that serve the folks that live there and that really speak to what they needs, and they're not reached by tradition that they're not as like the reached by sort of the traditional outreach that some of our other projects have gotten feedback on.

Also had a really awesome QR code, just like a direct pickups, which was very popular, I must just say in corridor.

I think that's it for now.

I'll take that for this late.

We have more comments too.

Yeah, don't read to email us.

We're still kind of working on a final report.

I think we have an appendix too.

We can start to track some of this feedback too.

So we have a documentation of case in five years, right?

Some of this record that the cleaning is kind of feedback and kind of what we've heard.

So uh our consultant will be watching this video.

So thanks.

All right, and he's not aware of this project, so I'll look at the um page, but what so what's the timing of the um the bus corridor project?

Cool, that was a great question.

Um, so the Western transit way is moving towards construction.

Um, I have links on that timing in a different project that it impacts um construction, I think is starting January of 27, and it'll take about three years.

That being said, like it's an incredibly long corridor.

So when it would be in this area, I can't say for certain, but there's a three year with it on the construction of the transit stops.

But we know how it's going to physically change the road.

Yeah, so it's it's at 100% design.

Um, it is okay.

So we took that on, yeah.

Yes, in that we know, yes.

I think that the challenge with the West End Transit way is that we are building the interim in a lot of the corridor, especially in this portion from Sanger to seminary.

Um, the long-term vision for that corridor is that it's much wider boulevard, it's a completely redesigned streetscape.

So that's another consideration of how much would we invest in changing curb lines, street infrastructure now, if the timeline for Western transit way permanent condition is unwe changed some of the conditions on Sanger last year to part of that was accommodated the transit way coming through there and creating better places for bus stations.

But the rest will happen when this goes, right?

So then we'll make final adjustments.

Well, this I mean that's kind of the I think the challenge is that, and why the recommendation for segment two is that it really needs to be a separate, more detailed study.

I think you know, property lines are gonna be incredibly important.

We need to have some kind of detailed property study, utilities, the cost, and then integrating with the West End connected way.

Okay, all right.

Yeah, I never saw the yellow line at the seminary section on the spar graphs.

Yeah, it the seminary, and that's part of it too.

Seminary it's yeah, it's it's exceeding, right?

Was it just like barely covered, or was it like way down here in the gray bars or way above it?

Um, I'd have to go back and double check that, but that's also part of it.

There's a number of studies also happening at seminary road right now.

So the West End high crash intersection project is happening.

Seminary road is also funky because it tees into 395.

So we do a lot more coordination with feed up um before we can make any recommendations.

So it's kind of like there's a lot that could happen there.

This project is not in a place to say or make recommendations that are adequate.

So was the north post segment not considered low hanging through for the connectivity to Arlington.

So in what sense?

Is that not that would not be a preferred segment to start with, right?

So I think the southmost end.

So I guess the assumption, and I think Dane had asked for Casey, you know, is there the opportunity for offering bike lanes?

I think our assumption had been we already have a 10 foot wide shared east path that starts at the Arlington city border in front of um development with like benchmark and restar.

So their frontage is already built out.

The city is completing a 10-foot trail from the end of that development at Berkeley all the way down to Fillmore.

Um, that's starting.

We just advertised, I think, yesterday for that.

So construction start this fall.

And I think Newport Village is doing the piece in front of their front.

Yeah, no, it's the city's actually doing that.

The dedicated land is part of the development.

Um, and then that leaves us with essentially from Goodwin House to seminary, which is a relatively short stretch, and that is mid-block at this point.

So it kind of made sense to continue that off-road 10-foot wide trail, even that's mid-block stop, and it would kind of continue, and that's what connects to Arlington, right?

Okay, so that other piece is already going to be happening really soon.

So when I say low hanging fruit, it's kind of like it's ready to go.

In fact, well, we don't that's already gonna happen.

That construction project, it is already happening.

We we have a gap essentially in front of um southern towers that we don't own good land or property of Southern Towers has been in constant discussion with the city.

I would say that they're going to redevelop.

Um so you know, okay.

That's kind of a hot.

Yeah, okay.

So it's kind of like sure.

If they redevelop this, be an awesome opportunity to implement.

I was in the planning department for almost 10 years, and they were gonna redevelop the entire time.

So you know, like I get it.

Thank you.

Um yeah, I just so I think the north stuff is some of it's happening organically.

That's great.

Yeah, so I can see you turning your efforts towards the south end.

Well, of course, seminary is gonna be a whole big east, really.

I have to echo like we need to be very clear about the plan from the get-go though, because it's not going to be fair for us to build you know this end, build that end, and then kind of shoehorn in the hardest part.

So I would say one of the which is why I think creating some of the connections that are already exists to some of these segments.

So if you had the segment um uh Sanger out to road, and you build that out, that actually would be like a huge thing for people.

There is a way right now to get around the segment two section of the there's a trail that allows you to kind of parallel uh on um C street um of light.

No, it's not quite it's um it you go through the the park door telling you you go up chanvas, and so that allows you to kind of work around a segment two until this can be uh uh taken care of, and there's actually a way cut across here actually, or to the I'm sorry, to the market center, uh and and just cross for it.

Allows you to kind of parallel uh on um C screen uh of one no it's not quite it's um it you go through the the park door telling you you go up chanvas and so that allows you to kind of work around uh segment two until this can be uh uh taken care of and there's actually a a way cut across to here actually or to the I'm sorry to the market center uh and and just cross floor right so segment two would be lovely to have but if it's the third segment it's done there's a laser round right now that uh people could um handle that and then particular segment one the kind of connections to Arlington County also the potential connections that are road like that's also and and even at some of the road for pedestrian bike pedestrian bridge across uh through that yeah um one last thing I I would defer to you like I feel like the the route where it's a combined use I don't know why it's controversial I guess cycle is flung by pedestrians are moving slow but I do really love these locations where we can keep them completely off the road because I do feel like this robe is going to always have higher traffic speeds the topography is the real challenge in that section because you really can get up quite a bit of speed without even as on a regular bike you're gonna bike going going downhill and with the different types of people walking on that um it it just wouldn't be fair pedestrian to have something on the bicep so then in those police sections it's gonna be better to put them on the center lane and keep the pedestrians on is the works out yes absolutely no okay um so i got a couple uh quick things here um so one of the things i noticed an option two was the uh if you move the curb um to make a wider uh sidewalk but you left the roadway at 50 14 feet and so i would rather see you move that code is since you're going through the trouble unit is to sort of think about what that width should be there i know it's going to be part of the the transit but i don't think they need a 14 foot um width for the roadway so i would just sort of um uh tweak that a little the in your chart that had the cost was the um providing for relocation utilities included in that cost factor um we have not received kind of those high level cost estimates yet from our consultant but yeah it would be an element right sort of trying to relocate utilities along a mile and a half is astronomical right so however to make the shared use path useful that probably need to be calculated so kind of the idea that separating it is perhaps the better way for i mean i still like to see till it's relocated for pedestrians but if we can widen the space and have the cyclists somewhere else and the pedestrian not having a way around the tilt design so I would hope that that uh gets um better captured there um and then kind of as we've been talking one of the things that uh often mind is to make sure that we coordinate bus systems uh kind of what their uh hopes and dreams are for uh uh the this corridor and and as i mentioned before you know kind of capturing uh kind of the connecting uh bike work uh bike networks and then also in terms of of the the usability um we talked about this about the march music was getting in and out of uh particularly we end up with a um a cycle track uh how do i get up back to the other side co-venture the dark road forward fair effects county and i again i mentioned this but i think i think it should be they should start to be seeing particularly that uh segment three so fairfax county's got uh yeah so we are working so v dot is um one of the project sponsors so um working closely with v dot and that would be definitely part of any work from segment three is if we're changing lanes with the court may close to fairfax county compare configuration volume so well the beauty is v dot controls all the solar roads so hopefully they can talk to themselves and what's going on version but the otherwise i i think where you guys have started and this is really uh kind of great place to you know get a sense of what what's going on and at some point um person had to mention this it would be nice to sort of start highlighting some of the activity centers uh as as you are kind of scoping this out so that people go oh so yeah I see why that that makes sense yeah that's a good thing if you've got a rec center you've got four on schools you've got a a park uh it's gonna get even better when they finish the bridge person's anxious for in fact I wrote to the day it is so cute on a daylight just gorgeous right there so it's all very exciting and you said this would be done next year how much money yeah just one other thing I forgot to ask um I did not see in this and I don't know if it's entirely out of the scope of the study but is there any consultant additional regard because that's a

In fact, I wrote the day, it is so cute on a daily scorch.

Right there.

So it's all very exciting.

And you said this would be done next time.

How much money do you have?

One other thing I forgot to ask.

Um I did not see in this, and I don't know if it's entirely out of the scope of the study, but is there any consultural additional losses across because that's a as well.

Those are long segments between that would need to be more of a detailed design.

Some of the outreach in the platforms we have right now to solicit feedback, like that was one of my goals.

Like, where do we cross and where do we need crossing?

And is there yes?

That is like I mean, is it's there's also a small grocery store that I kind of developed.

Yes, um, but you know, I I don't feel like we have a good technology at this point to say like drop a pin where you need a crosswamp, right?

So I think that's one of the struggles.

We had a very limited budget for this project.

Um and so that I think is part of kind of that future study, more detailed analysis is some of that engagement.

You guys have flagged, and then you know, yes, it's it's cycle tracks, how you getting in and out, or if it's a trail, how do you do this?

And then also what are those better connections into the community that needs to be part of the design.

I have one other question, but not related to this project.

So I know your work comes on that project.

So can you give us a brief update on the Cameron Run trail project?

Yeah, so um because it ties deeply into almost completion of the Holland Lane project.

Yes, so um the old Cameron Run trail project.

Um it's a niece, it's been fun.

Um, so just for context, it's it's really starting to look at connections near out uh putting in a bike trail near the Alex Renewed facility um near 95.

I would say it has been moving in fits and starts.

Um slowed down considerably given some of the ongoing work at Alex Renew, um, and we're not able to have site access.

And that's a thing out project, too.

No, so Alex Renew is part of their no, no, the trade.

Yes, yes, yeah, also yeah.

Um so we are at 100% plans for the project right now.

Um we are still waiting on Dominion to finalize some of their plans.

There are some really large uh overhead power lines in that area that go right where we need to put in coverage.

Uh so we are trying to coordinate with them on that final design.

We're working with VDOT to see if we can see with advertising for construction while we are waiting for Dominion to finalize their plans.

Um, that does put some financial construction risk onto the city to proceed without the plans being finalized.

Um we're trying to figure out what is that cost, what is that risk, and can we absorb that to proceed with this project moving forward more quickly?

Um so I'm hopeful that in about a month or so we should have kind of stronger cost assumptions that would highlight that risk and that V dot would feel comfortable with us proceeding.

If we get a green light from VOT, um we would try and advertise uh pretty soon quickly for construction, so this summer, and then with the bulk starting construction um by the end of the year.

Okay, well, for those of you don't know, there used to be a trail that was at the bottom of uh waste treatment plant in uh developing and then when they built some bridge, they crowd it onto the trail, and so the trail disappeared, but you can actually access it from Patriots and get to the tents and have to turn around.

So it's it's pretty exciting.

That's uh thank you.

Any other questions?

Um, Ashley, did you have any questions?

No, okay, good.

Okay, uh all right.

So more updates to this one.

Um the city manager approved a Google search on for taxi cats and one dollar charge unless you that's an improvement one to let you know that um doesn't have an end date, it can go for up to a year, but you can put an end date uhsted starting.

Yes, it's starting about two weeks ago.

Okay, so that is currently in place and will be in place in maximum a year, but until is there an amount with the one dollar fuel surcharge, and they have to advertise it in the taxi gaps.

And okay.

Um and then it's commissioner updates.

So is it Mark?

Do you have any updates?

No.

Okay.

Do you not have a uh Ashley?

Do you have any updates?

Okay, I've got a couple.

Shouldn't take one.

Um so as you all know, there was the uh council had their hearing on Saturday.

Uh Dane was there, uh person, I think was on phone uh most of the time.

Uh and I was there it was it was very, very long, but uh in some ways kind of an interesting uh process going through it.

Um some of the people on uh both sides of the issue uh face with arguments.

I mean one of the things I had told Sheila was that um city council actually permitted people to uh have presentations so they actually uh slipped through their slides.

I don't know if that's gonna be the future of uh meetings and such uh but they still were in their time frame, so it's interesting to see them uh get through that.

Uh and as I committed to you guys, I did uh speak on behalf of the uh traffic department board, but um despite having practiced my presentation multiple times, I ran out of time, so I buzzed off the uh day is but um one of the things that slowed me down uh was uh I know I put it again the um the presentation and I wanted to at least read it to you guys more important to me first uh so this is really directed to you staff.

Um I would uh I've engaged directly with many of uh city staff for nearly 10 years.

It's been a real pleasure to be around such a great group of talented individuals.

Their professionalism and commitment to the city's goals policies is quite commendable.

The city is fortunate to have them.

I uh then got an opportunity talk to Leah and also to Jim Perajan and repeated essentially what I said they'd already heard, but uh both of them were really very appreciative and thrilled to get up to have you all the staff.

So uh when you take the slings and arrows, just know that you're actually doing a job, not nevertheless taking the same scenario.

Um thank you.

So the transportation commission hasn't met the meeting on uh Wednesday, so I can't give you an update uh for that, but they're aware that Kirsten's gonna show up on the place me on that on that uh mission.

The good news is they'll be here um starting uh Wednesday, so that's all I more okay meeting, next meeting.

Our next meeting is June 22nd.

We have again the paper.

But the date is firm, just the location is the have a problem just sort of have a little bit of large, yeah.

You can make that okay.

If there's nothing else, I have a motion to adjourn.

Um do I have a second?

Second.

Uh all those in favor say aye.

Aye.

Ashley, thanks very much for participating with all the thank you.

Good night.

Thank you.

Thanks, everybody.